AJ Gentile - Inside the Biggest Conspiracies in the World | SRS #229

[Music]. AJ Gentile, welcome to the show. >> Good to be here. >> It's good to have you. >> This is exciting for me. I'm a fan. >> Well, this is exciting for me cuz I'm a. fan. In fact, I was telling you at. breakfast, you are the only YouTube. channel that I watch on a consistent. basis cuz I don't want to hear all the. noise and stuff. I kind of live in it. And man, you just have a great. presentation, great topics. It just.

sucks you in. So, you are what me and my. wife watch just about every night when. we climb into bed. And uh so to meet you. is pretty surreal. Thank you for coming. >> At breakfast and I said that I said uh I. don't believe you, but it's very sweet. and I'll say it again, but it's very. nice of you to say. >> Well, it's real. It's real. But um yeah, so I want to I want to talk. about a couple of couple of the videos. that I've seen on your platform in.

particular and I want to talk about why. you got into it and where you came from. and and and uh I think it'll be an. awesome interview. So, but um everybody. starts off with an introduction here. So, AJ Gentile, the creative force. behind the the hit YouTube channel, The. Y Files, where you dive into mysteries, myths, and conspiracies with millions of. subscribers. A talented voice actor, producer, and writer known for your.

captivating narration and the hilarious. commentary from your animated sidekick, The Hecklefish. A Mensa member with a sharp skeptical. mind, always presenting intriguing. stories before breaking down the facts. and scientific explanations. You hook me. every single time. A dedicated truth. seeker who started the Y Files in 2020, blending entertainment with education to. help audiences question the unknown. while grounding it in reality. And you.

do a perfect job of it. So, couple. things to get through here before we. actually kick the interview off. Everybody gets a gift. >> Really? >> Any guesses? >> I mean, you already let me shoot the. Winchester. That was a great gift. >> It was a good gift, right? >> Yes, sir. >> You going to get one? >> Yes. Immediately. >> What' you think of that Sig? >> I loved it. The The optic was amazing. >> You going to get one of those, too? >> I I don't know what that is. You know, I'd like guns, but I'm not a.

>> Well, I got a buddy over at SIG. His. name's Jason and we talk about your show. all the time. >> Wait. >> And uh so he gave me this. He wanted me. to give it to you. >> What? >> So that's what you were shooting out. there before the interview. That's the. Sig P211. GTO. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> dude. No. >> 21 rounds in the mag plus one in the. pipe. >> That is incredible. >> Yeah. Yeah. So what' you think of that.

thing? Did you like it? Now I love it. That's amazing. I didn't see that. This. is like being on Oprah. You didn't even. telegraph that gift. That is amazing. >> I'm glad you like it. And. >> I don't think you people know how nice. you are. >> Well, they'll figure it out maybe. eventually. >> I don't know. >> Vigilance Elite Gummy Bears legal in all. 50 states. Made in the USA. The Sigs. actually made in the USA, too. But um.

yeah, that is that is our main merch and. they're hard to come by. They sell out. quick. So wanted to give me one of. those. >> And those are just regular gummies or. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Don't eat a bunch of bags and call me. and say I don't feel anything yet. We've. had that happen before. >> Okay. So eat these gummies after the. other gummies. >> They're probably they're probably worse. for you than the good gummies, you know, cuz those have sugar and red dye and all. the [ __ ] that's going to be illegal. soon. So they'd probably be illegal in. all 50 states here by the end by year.

>> But uh and then. we both have a Patreon account. >> We do. >> Right. So one of the things that I offer. my Patreon community and they've been. here since the beginning when I started. this this thing in the attic of my house. and it was just me and my wife and. they've been through here they've been. with us since since since. the very beginning. We've grown it into. a hell of a community. And uh so one of. the things that we do is we offer them. to ask each and every guest a question.

And this is from Ian Lane. On the Y files, you walk a line between. exploring wild conspiracies and keeping. the audience grounded in facts. Have you. ever stumbled on a piece of information. that made you stop and think, "This is. bigger than I want to touch. This sounds. like our breakfast conversation. And if. so, what made you decide to hold back? >> Um, the one episode that that that really.

got me emotional was I was doing the. dark side of DARPA and I went into that. Everyone knows DARPA and their projects. and and their science going back to. whatever 40s, 50s, 60s. But in the as I. was going through the research, I found. the connection between DARPA and Asian. orange and aged purple and all of that, all the all the Vietnam chemicals. And I. got very emotional about that because my. father-in-law is suffers from.

everything, every illness that you can. have from Agent Orange. >> Was he a Vietnam vet? >> He was Air Force. >> Damn. >> Twice. Um, and I it it was a very. frustrating episode because it it's. close to me and my family. and it took Jerry 30 years to get his. benefits and it just made me furious. Um. because my family stocked with military. and law enforcement and it's uh I think. in that episode I said something like.

when your country needs you you answer. the call but when you need your country. take a number and it took 30 years and. it wasn't that much money and that was. an episode that it was very emotional. and I attacked very aggressively you. know whether it was DuPont or the. government or CIA or the military. I. attacked everybody because I was just I. was just like yusede Sam cuz I was so. angry. And when I finished that episode. I I was thinking ah this isn't that.

super fun. You know there's not a lot of. fish. There's not a lot of my show is. supposed to be fun. >> Mhm. >> So I was not going to let it I wasn't. going to release it. And then I just. felt it was important and maybe my. platform could bring some attention to. it. I didn't think anyone would really. like that episode. And there was just an. outpouring of response from from vets. >> saying thank you. >> I gotta watch. I haven't seen that one. >> It's it's kind It starts out fun, but it. gets kind of dark. >> Did you Did you I mean, did your dad get.

all of his benefits? >> This is my father-in-law. >> Your father-in-law? >> I don't know if he got all of them. It. wasn't a lot of money. There's not. enough money for all the stuff that that. these guys more more uh soldiers were. injured by the chemicals than were. injured in combat. The Vietnam G. frustrates me the whole the whole. subject. >> Me too. Me too. Well, is he still alive? >> Mhm. >> Well, I would love to help you get him.

all of the benefits that he deserves if. he needs that. And so little bit, you. know, this isn't supposed to be about me. at all, but when I left contracting for. the CIA, I had nothing. Nothing. And uh. my best friend was um who was also a. SEAL and then we contracted together at. the agency. He was he had fallen into heroin. addiction as a lot of vets do. And um.

and so I was trying to. help him get better and put my whole. life aside um to make that happen. And. so where I started was trying to find. out how in the [ __ ] do you get VA. benefits, at least get some at least get. the health care that you're deserved. And it was it was it was crazy. And um I. I I couldn't get anybody to help help.

me. And then somebody had sent me a a. contact and said, "You should call this. woman. Her name's Peggy Matthews, and. she's out of uh Boston." And she is an. older woman, has a very small nonprofit, very grassroots, runs it out of the. living room of her house, and took me. in. And I credit this woman with saving. my life and my best friend Gab's life up. to a certain point. he did wind up. passing from from his addiction, but uh.

but she really took us under her wing. and um and said, you know, I've been. doing this for a long time. I want to. help the special operations community. because nobody understands it inside of. the VA. Nobody gives a [ __ ] And uh and. then when she got them, she asked me if. I would help spread the word throughout. the special ops community. And I did. that. and now she is she has helped. thousands of special ops guys and uh but.

her real passion is the Vietnam. generation. So I would I will give you. that contact. I'll make I'll make the. connection and um if there's anything. that he's not receiving that he's. entitled to he'll get it out. >> through her. And another thing there is. this you had mentioned something about. you know there's not enough money. That's [ __ ] [ __ ] Every single. person that signs up and signs that. dotted line to go into the military and. and and serve this country, that money.

is already set aside for you up to 100%. disability plus more. And. so it's it's he's already entitled to. it. It's just navigating the way to to. to get there. And uh and she's mastered. it. So I'll give you that connection. Um. >> that'd be nice. It seems like the system. is set up to be confusing, especially if. you're an older guy and you're sick and. you're just, you know, trying to make.

your mortgage. I mean, come on. >> Yep. >> It's insane. It's insane how this. country continues to treat the veterans. that have served it from from from the. beginning all the way up until this. point. And uh it's a real travesty. But. but so DARPA was involved in Agent. Orange and all this stuff. Yeah, I mean. DARPA was involved in so many dark. projects going back to the beginning. Um. but but yeah,

>> damn. Well, that got heavy quick. >> I know we got right into the deep water. instead of the fish. >> But but um so I want to talk how where. did you where did you come from? How did. the Y file start? >> Um. I guess I'll skip 20 years. um born in. the Bronx, raised around New York City, Long Island, and um back east was. dabbling in standup and acting and voice. work and finally landed a decent gig in.

radio uh working for MTV. You're not old. enough. >> You were working for MTV, >> MTV and VH1 and early 2000s. So, um was doing that and then came out. to LA to work for Playboy Radio on. SiriusXM. You're too young to remember that, but. Sirius XM was a thing. And. >> I'm not as young as you think I am. I. must look young today. This I'm going. have to wear this more often. >> So, I was always around like show. business, but always on the outside. You.

know, radio is like the that's like the. lowest rung. It's like there's like. radio and then there's open micers. So, I was always kind of on the outside, but I I wanted to be a host. I wanted to. be an on camera host. I I took classes. and a lot of training. I did very well, was auditioning a little bit, never. nothing really landed. and uh just just kind of slipped away. from it. And then over the course of the. next maybe 10-15 years through a couple.

of different businesses that were always. launched with my wife uh Jen and my. brother Gino, we opened a podcast studio. around 2014. >> Can I backtrack real quick? So you you. were trying to make it in the. entertainment industry and they stiff. armed you and four years after you start. a podcast, you're consistently in the. top [ __ ] 10. How hilarious is that? I hate the entertainment industry. >> Spent 20 years. >> You're the perfect example of what they.

missed. Like how the [ __ ] did you miss. this one? Top 10 podcast in four years. Totally missed it. I love it. I love. these stories. I won't say the network, but it was very it was really glorious. to turn down an offer last week from. from a network. It's like I was here the. whole time. >> So now the answer is no. >> Still the same guy. >> I am still talking about the same stuff. My host reel from 25 years ago is really. me talking about Area 51 and aliens and.

conspiracies. It's like that's what is. fun to me. Um so we had a podcast. studio. It fell apart. We tried it again. uh in like 2019 and uh we were a studio. hosting shows and we hosted a lot of big. shows from um a lot of comedians from. the comedy store would would operate out. of our studio and uh we weren't making. any money couldn't make any money in. podcasting and then co hit and then you. know Jen comes to me and says uh they're.

going to lock down the city and all. businesses are going to close and I'm. like they can't do that. I said, "Don't. don't listen to the media. They can't do. that. It's it's against every law and. constitution. We're going to be fine.". She's like, "I think they're going to do. it." And they did it. I'm in Los Angeles. and our studio was on Sunset. Uh which. so the story gets worse. And so they locked us down and me being. me saying, "I'm not wearing a mask and. I'm not shutting down. I'm we're staying. open, you know." And Robert's very vocal.

about it. Let him come come and shut us. down. Just roll camera on it. But it. didn't matter because the talent. wouldn't come in and nobody would come. in and it was everyone was afraid and. with the masks and everything. So now. we're just money is just fallen. We're. just going down the drain living off of. savings, not making anything, not really. sure what to do. And then divine. providence, I guess, was um Black Lives. Matter hit LA.

And. I I I don't know when I talk to people. about what Los Angeles was like during. that time, they're often surprised when. I say that, you know, I I'm not used to. seeing police SUVs upside down on fire, but we saw that all the time. >> No, it was that it was that bad. >> all the time. It it all the time. And. like I'm I'm surprised that nobody. really knows that, but that information. didn't get out. So at this time, the. city's on fire. our whole studio. surrounded by tents that we can't do.

anything about. And. the there was one night where they set. fire to the building next door to us, which was a juice bar. And I don't know. how much money is in a juice bar, but we. just happened to be in a building that. was just like a concrete block. We were. in like it was like a fortress. But. there was but when they were attacking. the buildings on the block, I was there. in the studio asleep on the couch in the. middle of the room with guns on the. table with my wife there and outside it.

sounds like The Walking Dead. You just. hear howling and screaming and sirens. And then after it it calms down a little. bit, it's maybe it's 3:00 4:00 in the. morning, we we're on our way home going. down sunset, make the left onto. Highland. And uh for those people who. know LA, Hollywood and Highland is a. very busy intersection and there's a lot. of stores and stuff there and it's just. it's just like zombies are out and and. um they're knocking in windows and and.

looting everywhere and we're just trying. to trying to get back home and we're on. Hollywood and Highland and suddenly a. crowd turns to us with baseball bats and. just starts coming. and uh I kind I throw it in reverse. And. I'm flying backwards down Hollywood. Boulevard in the middle of the night. with uh with all this stuff going on. And Jen's like, "You're going to hit. somebody." I said, "Look, if they're in. the street, they're me. We got to I'm. not going to stop. They're going to yank. us out of the car." We finally got home.

and uh we said, "That's it. We're done. We're leaving. LA is done." We uh. started packing immediately and left and. headed to uh Scottsdale, Arizona. And. that was. 20 I guess still 2020. No job, still. living off savings. And. >> so they were just destroying everything. and anyone. >> Everything and anyone. >> with no rhyme or reason? >> Nope. >> They just see a car coming towards them.

They're like, "Yeah, that one.". >> Cuz let's get them. >> We were We were stopped at the light. It's like, "Why am I stopped at the. light?" So then lights didn't matter, you know? I I I got to get my wife out of here. So, it it was a frustrating and scary. time, but. but it was a good time to get out of LA. And I loved Los Angeles. I got there in. 2005. I felt like I was on vacation. every day. I love that city. It was. amazing. And um it's not anymore. And I.

hope it comes back. I think I think it. has a chance to, >> man. But in trying to figure out what to. do, I had been watching all these like. comedians do podcasts and I didn't think. YouTube was anything. I thought YouTube. was for you put your videos or your cats. on there, you know? I'm like an old guy. I you know, I'm watching cable. And. Jen's like, "No, a lot of people watch. YouTube." I'm like, "Really?" She said, "You know, our our shows here have 14. million subscribers." I'm like, "What? What?" I'm like, "Oh." I said, 'Well,

I've been a writer, a host, a producer, an editor professionally for networks on. and off all my life. I can do YouTube. That's like a that's like a layup. And. it is the hardest thing I ever did. It. was so hard. And I think you could. relate to this. It was so hard that if I. knew how hard it was, I probably. wouldn't have had the stamina to stick. with it because. nobody was watching of just video after. video. you know, pouring my heart into.

it. Nobody was watching. Um, but I just felt like I like doing this. And even though nobody was watching, there were still were. 500 people watching and I my Patreon had. 12 people who are still members and two. of them are employees now. Hi, Victoria. She's uh she she was a Patreon member. who was just a rock star. It's like we. we we need to hire this one. Uh, and. Jen, my executive producer.

So, it was just um, you know, do you want me to get into. >> Yeah. What now? I want to hear like I. want to hear the struggles. >> The struggles. >> I want to see how much we can relate on. this. >> When I when I first started, so I did a. lot of research on how to do the. channel, right? You know, how to how to. how to make a living at this. And I. wasn't looking to be a 5 million. subscriber. I don't even know why so. many people watch. I it's I'm still I'm. still in feel like I'm a scrappy little. channel and uh so it's very confusing to.

me. >> You still feel like you're a scrappy. little channel. >> I do. And I feel like every day it's. it's going to go away and the numbers. are we're plateauing. It's just it's. constant. >> I feel the same way. I Yeah, >> it's constant. >> Endless discussions with the team on. >> we're declining. We're. >> we're plateauing. It's over. >> They're going to censor us. and it's so. not over for you. And and my last video. is the mo best performing one in the.

history of the channel. So like, okay, maybe we can still do this a little. longer. But when I started the channel, the plan was to do science videos and. then the weird ones that I liked and try. to balance it. And all the YouTube. consultants said, you know, you got to. skew young, high energy, smash that. like. So my earlier videos are I mean my. first video was about math and then you. know I did top 10 list like top weird 10. weirdest animals dangerous places. scariest things like everyone was doing.

and it was like hey hit that like I'm. doing this this is my energy this is who. I am and it wasn't who I was and nobody. and nobody's watching this nobody was. responding to it and it didn't feel it. didn't feel right anyway I just felt. like this is the performance they say to. do and I just started to get frustrated. And I guess about a year and a half in, you know, 60s, 70 episodes, I just said, I'm going to just do what I want to do. I'm going to make the show that I would. want to watch. And you know what? I'm. the biggest response I'm getting from. the audience are people my age, 40s and.

50s. So, I'm going to I'm just going to. lean into Gen X, just be authentic, and. just tell the stories that I like. And. then that's when it happened. >> I love that, man. I mean, that's so if. if there's creators watching you, which. there are, my advice is just be. yourself. Be be authentic. Be raw. Just. let all the wounds show. Like I was. telling you at breakfast on my on the. wife's backstage, there's videos of me. crying, talking about depression.

I just. I just own it. Just own it. >> Man, you're you're like one of the only. people I've ever heard that does this. >> No. >> Yeah, man. Are you kidding me? People. are scared to death of authenticity. They're scared to death of authenticity. and being vulnerable. And I've talked to. countless people that, you know, they. want to start a YouTube. I love helping. people. I mean, that's that's why this. show kind of developed into what it is.

is I just wanted to help people and. bring exposure to. everything from corruption to the what. where it really started was I just got. tired of like. veterans not being able to get a. business going because nobody would give. them exposure. and and so and in and and. and that's that's how it started man was. bringing exposure to to veteran. businesses through their journeys of.

vulnerability to be authentic and and. it worked and but I think that you know. you can tell people be authentic be. vulnerable. they can't do it. >> it's it's hard to it's hard to let down. the guard it certainly was for me as a. as a lifelong performer is you're always. doing a performance. You know, even if. in your normal life you have certain. characters or traits that you emphasize. more with with your buddies that when.

you're with your wife, there's kind of. different roles that you play. >> So, it's kind of hard. It's it's. difficult to let down that that guard. >> But what I started to. >> How did you know I mean what hit you. especially coming from entertainment? I. mean, entertainment, I mean, it's just. everything's fake. The media, the main. media is fake. The news channels are. fake. They're all bought. They all have, you know, politics is fake. Movies. For.

a long time, I think people didn't. realize how much how much propaganda is. inserted into into. mainstream media, you know, Hollywood. movies. And until they went overboard, and then everybody kind of figured it. out. I'm with everybody else. I didn't have. any inclination that it was all [ __ ]. until everybody else started talking. about it. But. >> yeah, I'm just curious. I mean, when I. mean they're scared to death of. authenticity and and so how did you.

especially coming from there and all the. fakeness and all the [ __ ] moving it? I mean, what hit you that it was like. just be authentic? >> So, I I suffer from anxiety and. depression, but not severely. a little medicated for it, but not. heavily. Like I'm I'm high functioning. I'm I'm on the spectrum, but I'm high. functioning, you know? I'm very. uncomfortable talking about myself, very. uncomfortable being the center of. attention. I'm the guy at the party.

hiding in the corner. So my outlet would. be to perform, to do voice work, be a. character, be on stage, uh, be an actor because then the lines. are prepared for you. Even if you're. doing standup, you've already written. it. So you have control. It's I have. control. Even though I'm putting myself. out there, I have I know what the words. are. I know what comes next. I know what. I'm doing right and wrong. So to be authentic, that all goes away. And it's like I don't know what I'm.

going to say next. As I'm sitting here. now, I don't know what I'm going to say. next, but I think it was when I started. talking to my community, which I would. call a community more than an audience, but like the people that that really. supported me since the beginning. I just. started engaging with them through live. streams and. like with our Patreon live streams, fans. turn their cameras on like we all talked. together and I found myself just opening. up because.

maybe because they were fans, they were. just excited to hear from me, but it. became almost like a therapy for me. Like I can I could tell these people. anything. I'm not they're not judging. me. I'm I'm you know, there's always. going to be the [ __ ] in the. comments. But for the most part, it was. like, "Hang in there. I'm going through. the same thing." You know, what you're. doing is important. It was very. encouraging. So eventually the wall just. comes down. And now when I live stream, you just. don't know what what I'm going to, you. know, Jen gets nervous. She'll hear me. going into a direction. She's like, "Ah,

I don't think I'm like I'm just saying. it." So I'm the most honest in my life. when I'm talking on that stream to to. the people who watch the show. I and I. said I'll say anything and it's the. truth. Now I don't I won't out somebody. I won't you share a secret if it's if. it's in confidence. But if someone asked. me, you know, are you going through. something right now cuz you don't look. good because for about a year during the. channel I I was not doing well. And so I. would say I'm not doing well. Uh I'm. stressed out all the time. I'm not. sleeping. I'm not eating. I'm losing.

weight. I'm not healthy. My doctor's. concerned. And this is just where we. are. Wow. you know, but better now. It's a process. >> You seem great. Are you comfortable. here? >> You make it comfortable. I was terrified. coming here. I was terrified coming. here. Um, you know, at some point I want to start. talking to the like if I'm researching. an episode and I I start emailing with.

the Grandmaster Knights Templar and I'm. emailing with him for like in research, it would be nice to actually have. Timothy Oen sit down and have a. conversation about Knights Templar. That. would be pretty cool. So, if I'm going to do that, I need to. be comfortable in a conversation. So, I'm trying to do that here. And I. specifically chose your show and you. because I Your team is amazing. You've. been kind since the beginning. Extremely.

professional. But it seems like. everybody's going out of their way to. make me feel like comfortable, like we we just shot guns, we had. breakfast, you know, we hung out. It. just feels like uh it feels like you're. hanging out with friends here. And I. haven't met any of you guys before, but. I knew that coming in because that's. that's your reputation. And I've watched. your interviews. I've read lots of. articles about you, including hit. pieces. And it's like this is an. interesting guy that I want to know. And. I think I can learn a lot from just.

having a conversation with Sean, >> man. Well, thank you. Thank you. That. means a lot. And it's going to mean a. lot to my team, too. So, >> you're the best. >> Thank you. What was the what was the turning point. >> for getting feeling better. >> for the Y files. >> when it started to be successful? >> Was it a immediate pivot? >> It was a hockey stick. >> It was a hockey stick. >> Yeah, it was it was a year and a half to. two years of just flat. I think end of.

year one was 40 50 episodes. I had maybe. 1500 subscribers, 2500 and nobody was. watching, you know, 200 views, 300. views. And the second year was similar. Started to get better. I think I ended the second year with. like 25,000 subscribers, but still was. getting 2500 views. So, you can't make a. living doing any of that. But I but I. was enjoying it. And just seeing people. respond to the content was encouraging. and I wasn't working. So, it was like, I.

might as well just keep doing this cuz. it's fun. And a few people are. responding. And what happened was my brother Gino. said, "You should do TikTok." And I was. like, "No way. I'm doing Tik Tok." No. He's like, "You should put shorts on Tik. Tok because that could expose people to. the channel." So, reluctantly, I did it. And in in just a few days, a couple of. videos on Tik Tok brought in like. millions of views. I think it was um I. did the coincidences between JFK and.

Abraham Lincoln. People just liked that. video and that brought a lot of people. over to my channel. So suddenly I I was at 250 400,000. subscribers which was incredible. But. subscribers are not subscribers are a. vanity number. Sponsors don't care about. that. Nobody really cares about that. It's views is where you get paid. So. 400,000 subscribers, 1500 views. Nobody. was watching because these are all kids.

coming over watching shorts. So, I just kind of. it was frustrating and I just sort of. hoped that something would break through. and it took about three or four weeks. and then my video on Operation High. Jump, which was Admiral Word going down. to the the Hollow Earth in Antarctica, that got 50,000 views in a day and I was. like, "Oh my god, I couldn't even. believe it. I couldn't never even fathom. that kind of number." And from there it.

was it was a hockey stick for to through. about 2023. I mean things are growing. but kind of slow growing. But for 2003. my hockey stick was kind of like yours. right now is what it was. You know. 300,000 subscribers in a month. People. were watching. The videos were hitting a. million in a in a month. I couldn't. believe it. >> It hit a million in a month. >> I the videos started to hit a million in. a month. >> Damn. And it was and around then uh at.

this point I think Jen is the bread. winner. She was um chief operating. officer for Sidenide and Happiness which. a lot of your listeners will know it's. like a comic book cartoon company. A lot. of fun. We were we were in Dallas at. that point. And I remember I came. downstairs and I had I had like sketched. out this chart that's like, "Hey, if I. get this many views, it could equal this. amount of money per month. you know, if. I can get to like 200,000 views, we can. make like $5,000 a month and I could. make a living. I remember she looked at.

it and she was like, "That's a lot of. views." I was like, "I know, but you. know, if I" She's like, "Oh, no, no, I. support it. I support it, but you know, it's a lot of views." So, she was. supportive but hesitant, which is fair. Um, but now I wish I kept that chart. because we hit a million views in 16 17. hours now. Damn. a million views in 16 to 17 hours. >> Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I'm. I have two personalities. One is.

constant anxiety and fear of losing. And. the other is I can't believe what's. going on. I must be in a coma. I hope I. don't wake up. >> cuz I really don't understand it. It's. not false humil humility. I'm glad. people are having fun. I'm glad that. they respond to the content. Um, you know, it like everyone on the team. is having a lot more fun than I am on. this ride, you know, being pitched by. networks and stuff now. It's crazy.

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well, I'm going to say something really. embarrassing now, but I have to because. it's my brand. So, therapy never worked on me. I've always. it therapy just never worked on me. I'm. always trying to like figure out what. the therapist is getting at or you know. trying to solve it. So what I did was I. created an AI therapist and I did. something maybe unwise but we'll find. out. I I loaded um a software program. I'm I'm a tech guy. I used to be an.

engineer. I loaded an AI platform with. all my emails, correspondents, everything I've ever written, text. messages going back to 1999, all of it. And I asked it to create a personality. profile. And it output this profile that. had at twice at two points reading it, I. was started to cry because it was like. now I understand. Now I understand. And this was just from. me loading a computer with all this. stuff because the computer has no. emotions. Doesn't care. is analyzing.

patterns which is that's really all we. are right so then I just started. interacting with this AI my AI therapist. and in the interaction you get more and. more drilled down into into certain. aspects of your personality and. revealing things I had never known. before you know going back to issues. with my father mother all that stuff. apparently I suffer from loss of. aversion which is whenever I have. something I'm I'm worried that it's. going to be taken away and that's kind. of what it is I'm it's like rather than.

enjoy success instead I'm worried about. losing it and it's very frustrating and. I don't really know how to solve it but. at least I'm aware of. my some of my blind spots are getting. illuminated a little bit. You know I. suffer from anxiety. I used to suffer. from it really bad. In fact at breakfast. we were talking about I did a video on. it. you've done stuff on it and and I. just I was like, "Hey, this is why I. feel this way. This is why I think my.

anxiety comes." And then I was like, "I talked about the ways that I I the. things that I utilize to to power. through it." And, you know, starting this was this podcast. I mean, I'm not a conversationalist at all. I'm. probably the most boring guy that you. could you can. >> I don't do small talk. >> You're a therapist.

>> I'm not good at it. >> You're a therapist. Well, I learned this. from therapy because I went to three and. three three and a half years of therapy. twice a week after I left the agency. And I realized when I was talking to my. therapist, who is. amazing. And um that a lot of the things. that were bothering me would just work. themselves out just from me talking to. her. And she might say. 20 words in a 45minut session. And you.

but just hearing me verbalize it, I'm. like, "Oh, yeah, that is kind of maybe I. shouldn't be doing that." But uh but um. but as far as like the the the fear of. it all going of of of losing or I mean. it's interesting. I was just talking. about this yesterday with John Rich and. you know I I interviewed Jim Cavisel and. about the that movie he did. I think. it's Sound of Freedom was maybe the last. one. And it was about uh child. trafficking. And at some point in that.

conversation, he had brought up, you. know, cuz I'm we were talking about this at. breakfast. You could I always even when. I built this, I built something that I. could resell. I didn't want to a cuz I. still think like that. I'm like this. could all be taken away in the snap of a. finger. It's who knows who. I piss. somebody off. We talk about a lot of. things here. would kick a lock rocks. over and I'm like this could end at any. moment. And I remember Jim said.

he was talking about himself about all. his cars and you just all these. possessions that that he has and he. said, you know, but that could all be. taken away at any moment in time and I'm. ready to give it all back because none. of it actually matters. what matters is. my kids and my wife and my friends. And. I really took that in and I was like, that's the only [ __ ] way to live,

man. Like, none of this [ __ ] really. actually means anything. >> It does not. >> It's just [ __ ]. >> It doesn't mean anything. And so I think. if you uh for me, you know, when I. adapted that mindset, it my anxiety went. it's like and I didn't even really have. that much, you know, but but um that's. just the way I think now, you know. It's. it's this is all we got some cool. things. I got some great artifacts in. here. I've got some cool toys. But you.

know what I mean? And there is an aspect. too. I mean, when I think back to when. things were much simpler and I wasn't. running a business and yeah, now now the. money's there and and and fame, which I. hate, has come with it and all these. things, but but it's just, you know, when you think back, it's like, man, remember when I was a SEAL and the only. thing I had to worry about was going on. an OP and everything else was handled. And those were simpler times for me. And.

this what I live in now was the most. complicated life I've ever the most. complicated time in my life that I've. ever lived. I mean, and so, you know, I. think, all right, well, if it does all. end, then I go back to that and maybe I buy a. skidster and start a land clearing. company or something like that and just. live as simple as possible. >> There's something attractive about that.

And when you when you think about that, you know, it's it's it's not the end. It's just a different chapter if it does. go away. And I think I don't know for. me, I've prepared myself psychologically. that that you when this when cuz it will. eventually. It will fizzle out. People. will get bored. They'll hate me. I don't. know what you know, I'll get cancelled. Who knows? But it's just it's just a. moving into a new season of life and and.

who knows, man. Maybe that season will. even be better than this one, you know? And and uh. that really puts me at ease. Just. talking about it puts me at ease. We could probably cut this out if you. don't want to talk about it, but you. mentioned that you were starting a. network. >> Mhm. >> That's more than hedging a bet. I mean, that's that's that's helping others. That's creating a legacy. That's. creating a a business in a situation. that if your show did take a hit, which. I don't anticipate it will, um, you're.

absolutely on fire. I think you're aware. of that. But by building a network, then. you have this infrastructure where. you're helping other people succeed. And. then maybe this isn't that important. >> Yep. Yep. I mean, I I we don't I'm not. going to cut any of this. I mean, I I. think about that all the time, but one. thing that I. I don't really have many regrets, but. maybe one I don't know if it's a a. regret because I've helped so many.

people, but personal stuff, you know. what I mean? Like I said, when I started. this, it wasn't it wasn't even about me. It still isn't about me, but you know, now I have a team that that relies on. the business and and. anyways, where was I going with this? We're just. talking about things that could end at. any minute. >> Yeah. Where was I going with this? Damn. it. Too many been blown up too many. times. What were we going after? >> Uh we were talking about anxiety,

you know, and how how how you're. managing it. >> Yeah. You know, I I was always a little. upset with myself because I didn't build. something that I could sell. Meaning this isn't something that can. get passed down to my kids. No, >> this isn't something that my wife can. take over. This isn't something that if. I get sick or die or get, you know, I. can't move, tragedy happens, this isn't. something that I can hand to my team and.

say, "Run this," you know, and that that. always bothered me is, man, there there. isn't a way out of this. There isn't I. didn't build a legacy thing that I can. pass down to to future generations of my. family or my team or whoever. And but. rather than sit there and whine and. [ __ ] about it all the time, I we were. talking about this at breakfast. I mean, now now I'm building companies, you. know, and uh I'm building companies that.

I'm going to advertise here that I'm. going to sell or I'm going to pass it. down, you know, to to. my son and my daughter, my wife. And so, >> have you tried sesh nicotine? It's. really good. It's really good. >> You want to have a sesh? >> I have it. But um so yeah, so I started, you know, instead of instead of whining. and complaining about it and I didn't. have any time, you know, to start. something because of the show and all. the stuff that goes into this, we both. know plenty about that. You know, I.

started focusing my energy on building. new companies and and instead of having. to rely on advertisers all the time, I'll build my own companies, advertise. those companies. And so now we're in the. process by the end of this year we'll. have launched three new companies plus a. network. So I guess technically four. companies and and. I just I think people put limitations on. themselves and and yeah there's. limitations for sports and all these.

things but when you find what you're. good at there are no limitations. >> There aren't. >> nothing nothing can get in my way. if. you love it, you know, if you find the. thing, if you love it and and you're. good at it, you know, the difference. between a career and a vocation. was always kind of confusing to me until. I started doing this and realized that. vocation, that word comes from vocal. It's a calling. It's not a job. It's not. a career. So, even before the channel. was very successful, I felt like I'm.

meant to do this. um was connecting with. people, entertaining people, having fun, and uh somehow it became a sort of a. family show. I don't know. I don't know. why seven-year-olds are learning about. Agent Orange, but they are. I have uh. 9-year-olds sending me videos about. audit the Fed and taxes or theft, which is glorious. But um but those are.

the things that that give me a lot of. fuel because. what I'm doing is not really that. important but I'm bending the universe a. little bit in my direction. you know the. >> I think what you're doing is very. important and here's why because I think. that the not only the US but the world. as a whole has lost the ability to. critical think and when with your. episodes I mean you bring in all the. information all the conspiracies all the. points of views and it forces people to.

think critically and then at the end you. you save your opinion or how you think. until the end And I I think it's very. important because it's a it it it in a. way it's a critical thinking exercise. >> It is. >> in a world where nobody does that. anymore. Everybody is told how to think. through mainstream media, through social. media, through Hollywood, through all of. that. They are they have it's it's I. actually just did a documentary on this.

It's called cognitive warfare, you know, and they inject they they inject and. project what they want you to see, how. they want you to think, and. you have. >> an episode on that. That that's on your. documentary. That sounds interesting. >> Um, I try not to inject my opinion too. much in it. I tried to say here's here's. all the stuff I found out. If there are. things that are definitely debunked, I. will say so. Like this didn't happen. But this I couldn't really I I can't.

really debunk this part. You decide. I'm. not here to convince anybody. I'm not a. pundit. Um I'm not a conspiracy. theorist. I enjoy the stories. >> Mhm. >> And that's why the format is the first. twothirds of the episode. I just tell it. like it's true. Just so you can have the. experience of like I know this channel. I know eventually he's going to say, "But is it true?" But this one looks. like it could this one could be real. And and that that's what I'm trying to.

to capture is, you know, I get people. that are angry at me for debunking their. favorite stories. It's like, did you. want to know what really. >> I was angry when I watched the moon? The. moon landing. I was like, what? He. thinks we landed on the moon. >> The moon I go back and forth with. I'm. not sure. I'm not sure if men walked on. the moon. I think that we we probably. landed on the moon, but I'm not sure men. walked on the moon, but it's that's a. that's that's a tough one. >> Yeah. We're going to dive into that a.

minute. I I want to go into I mean, you. had mentioned we were talking about. anxiety still and you had mentioned. maybe a new show segment or something. bringing bringing the people that you. you utilize for your research on the. topics that you discuss in. And we were. talking about being a conversationalist. And you know what I what I think is. interesting is I mean you're you're a. commentator. Are you talking to a camera.

or is somebody behind that camera? >> No, I'm talking to a teleprompter. I'm. I'm reading. >> I can't do that stuff. I cannot talk to. a camera. It it. we've tried to get me to do some. commentary stuff. I just I can't do it. It's talking to I used to put paper. targets. I used to I used to do this I. used to do this series called Hard. Truths and uh one my um one of the guys.

that have been with me the longest would. would drive in and I'd make him sit. across from me just to talk to him just. so I'm talking to somebody and if he. couldn't make it then I would set a. paper target in the chair. and I would talk to the paper target cuz. I cannot look at a camera and just go. and you know was starting the podcast of. like like I just like I had mentioned. I'm not a. I'm not a conversationalist at least I.

definitely wasn't at the time and so. that's where I just took my therapy and. I was like just listen just don't. interject don't try to relate don't do. any of that stuff just be a sponge to. whatever is coming out of the person. across from you and and maybe guide the. conversation. And and what I learned is. if you. if you can be comfortable in silence,

most people cannot be comfortable in. silence, they will fill the room. They will fill. the room because they feel awkward and. you won't have to. And that's actually. that's. that's actually one of the things one of. the first things that I loved about my. wife is that we could just sit there and. not talk and be totally comfortable. And. I was I was like, man, I was like,

there's like nobody I can do this with. Everybody has to talk all the time. So, you know, and I think you'll find that. when you start doing your interviews is. is they'll fill the silence. You won't. have to. >> I could feel it sitting here when when. we get a little quiet. Like I feel like. maybe I talk now, but I'm but we had. breakfast so I know, you know, that. technique and I'm trying to to learn.

these things. Uh it was something that I. just filed away is you said don't try to. be relatable. That's a really. interesting point. is don't try to be relatable because. it's you know trying to relate to the. guest. You're just trying to have a. conversation. You have to know anything. about it whether I'm talking to a. physicist or a ghost hunter. Who cares? Just tell them just tell me what's what. you feel. >> And you're already interested in the. topic. And so I think. >> you know here we go. Oh, now I'm going. to relate to you after I just said I. don't relate to anybody. But, you know,

I only I only take interviews that where. I'm interested in the subject matter. And so, it's it's a genuine curiosity. And we've, you know, we've turned down a. lot of big big names. I like I get. scared. I get intimidated to interview. athletes because I'm not into sports, you know, and and but I try it because I. want to challenge myself. But but we'll. get we'll get big big big big names that.

want to come on the show and I'm like, man, I just I don't know what to talk. about with this person. I'm not I'm not. interested. I know this would be great. for the channel. I know it would be. great for the show and it it would. probably be huge numbers, but I'm just. going to be sitting there because I'm. not interested in anything this person. has ever done. So, we're going to pass. >> Wow. you know, and uh and it's it's it's. it's. served me well, you know, and and um and.

in in a lot of the a lot of the all of. the biggest interviews I've ever done, it's not it's not Trump. It's not. Gavin Newsome. It's not these ginormous. names that everybody knows. The biggest. stories are the are the ones of everyday. people who are doing extraordinary. things who never get recognition or or. or military, special ops, conventional.

guys that have have done the. unfathomable. And those are the stories that my. audience really resonate with the most. I mean, the biggest interview I ever did. was Ryan Montgomery. He was a hacker who. now tracks down pedophiles and and. he he was he was the most he probably. suffered from the most he had the most. anxiety about coming on the show of.

anybody ever and made him comfortable. It's the biggest interview we've ever. done. It's like almost 10 million views. and when to get all the clips and shorts. and all that stuff it's hundreds of. millions of views. >> Why was he nervous? He's a tech guy. You know, one one thing. about tech guys is. >> we like I like to be in a in a small. space alone with a machine. It's my. comfort zone. >> Very unsure of himself. >> Doesn't like being around people.

Smacked it out of the park. And um and. so I don't know. I hope that I hope. maybe that helps you a little bit. It. does. Gives you some confidence in that. And the questions will come naturally. when you're when you're just feeding. your only your your your curiosity. >> I think that's the key. Um like when you. just just a couple of days ago you had. the that that CEO of the asteroid mining. company. I watched all of that because.

you don't see him anywhere. But that was. a fascinating I was I'm interested in. all of those things. I looked at the. chapters. I'm like, "Oh, I I guess I. have to watch all of this because I like. all that stuff." But you don't see him. anywhere. Mhm. >> So that kind of stuff, you know, those. are the the sorts of people that I would. that I reach out to for my show. So that. it doesn't matter if he's famous or not. I know that's going to be an interesting. dude to talk to. >> I hope you do it. I hope. >> the studio's all done. We're just. waiting for me to have the balls.

>> You've got them. Just do it, man. Just. do it. And then the other thing that we. both know is, you know, the audience. loves to watch the progression of a. channel, you know, and and so you're. introducing something new and you're. going to have to develop it and you're. taking your audience on the journey with. you. They're they're going to they're. going to coach you. They're going to. critique you and they're going to wish. the best for you, you know, and and take. that in. You know, that's that's. interesting that you say that cuz um.

starting the channel is watching some. consultant say, "You just got to start. Doesn't matter. Don't worry about your. gear, your lighting, get your phone, and. just start doing episodes. You're going. to hate your first 20 episodes." And I. remember going, "I'm I'm not going to. hate my I'm going to be fine." And now. my I just cringe at every like episode 1. through 70. It's like I this How did. anyone watch this? It's terrible. Um but. the audience does respond to that. they. go back and watch that old stuff saying, "You've come a long way, brother.". >> Yeah, man.

>> I take it as a compliment. And that's. why I don't delete any of those old. episodes and and so I'd love to delete a. few of them, but it feels dishonest. Like a whole episode where I'm just. completely out of focus. They're just. the focus is just on the bulletin board, so you can't even see me. But I'm I'm. just leaving it up there. >> Do you feel Do you feel I mean, you're a. trutht teller and so I'm curious. Do you. feel a responsibility that a that a a. responsibility comes with truth. truthtelling?

>> I think I'm more of a storyteller and. and maybe that's maybe that's a way for. me to rationalize it because I I don't. want to have I don't want to have the. responsibility. I don't want any power. I don't want to I don't want to be a. leader. I don't want to be any of that. stuff. I just want to entertain people. with fun stories um and just get them. thinking differently or just cheer them. up if they're having a bad day. Um my. only responsibility I feel is if I if I.

do find a piece of a story that's not. that well known. and even if I cover something that's. been covered a lot, I don't stop. researching until I'm pretty convinced I. can bring something new. like episodes. like Crop Circles or even the. Moonlanding. It's like people keep. asking me to do these episodes. It's. been these have been done since the 60s. >> Um, but they want it so I'll do it. But. I won't stop researching until I find. those nuggets that entertain me and go, "Oh, I didn't know that." So, I know the. audience won't. So, I think that's I.

feel responsibility there. I got to find. something new. that for a story that's maybe known. And. I don't hold back if I find something. ugly. I just say it like this is I'm I'm. reminded of the Montalk Project episode, which is uh the Montalk Project is this. is like a time travel urban legend about. um and Stranger Things is based on it. out in Long Island. These experiments. done on camp out in Camp Hero. You'd sit.

in a chair and you'd focus your psychic. energy and travel through time, all this. stuff. This is a military project, of. course. And it was all based on uh a. book and a series of books by Preston. Nichols. So, I'm researching, I'm doing. the episode, and I'm and I'm loving it. cuz I I read Preston Nichols books when. they came out, you know, after hearing. about them on Art Bell. I'm doing the. episode. It's coming along fine. And. then I find out that um. Preston Nichols was maybe inappropriate. with a lot of young men. So at some.

point in the episode, it got kind of it. started to get a little dark and I. actually stopped. in the episode and I said, "Look, I know. you you have families watching. If you. have kids watching, it's time to send. them away." And I said, "Seriously, because I'm going to tell you the truth. about this story." And then I told the. truth about what I learned about Preston. Nichols. Um, it's all alleged, but I. said, "Here's what I found, and it's. ugly.". And kind of ruins the story. It.

certainly ruined the magic for me, but I. felt a responsibility. >> I don't know. >> It's good you did that. >> I I I think it is. It felt like the. right thing to do at the time, but um I don't know if if that's what. the audience wanted. It's hard to tell, but I had to I had to say what was going. on. And this was someone that I really. respected. Too bad.

>> Where did the Where did the hecklefish. come from? >> I wanted a sidekick. I needed a. sidekick. Um. cuz echo fish is. um those are available in the wildf. tour. By the way, I'm not here to plug. Uh I think we're sold out. Anyways, uh I needed a sidekick because I I knew. that some when I would talk about the. weird topics and the conspiracy topics, you kind of need um a foil. I need.

someone to. lighten the mood when it gets dark. He'll just come in with he'll just start. singing a song or something and just. like I'll ruin my train of thought, but. it just lets the audience go, "Oh, it's. just we're not taking it too seriously.". All right. Yeah, we're talking about the. CIA's throwing people out of the window. All right, that's that's the story. All. right. Uh it happened for sure, but we. can have a little fun along the way. But. also, he serves as the voice of the.

audience. So if I'm saying something. totally outrageous, I know that people. watching are going to be going, "What. are you talking about?" So if I'm like. if I'm talking about quantum mechanics. or quantum theory, he will hop in and. call me Po Dexter and a nerd, you know, a nerd or whatever and say, "You know, some of us actually went to our prom. We. didn't stay home and and write programs. So can you explain please what the. double slit experiment is?" He serves as. the standin for the audience and and a. pressure release valve. genius.

>> It was Jen's idea. I said, "I need I. need a sidekick to just sit there." And. she said, "Why don't you have a goldfish. in a bowl?" I was like, "That's a good. idea.". >> Damn. When did uh when in the journey. did he come was he born? >> Day one. >> Day one. >> Day one. And he's he's come a long way, too. He He's definitely had some face. work done over the years. I guess the. success he's got a good Botox guy cuz he. was janky. and and his voice changed a little bit. over time. We kind of settled into our.

rhythm. >> Very cool. >> I hope people don't get sick of it. because, you know, in re-watching my. episodes to just refresh myself to come. in here, which was just so hard to do. I'm watching I'm like, I've been doing. the same thing for like four years, the. same format, the same. So, I hope it continues to resonate. >> It works though. I I try to let it. evolve in small ways, production value. and music and sound and all of that, but. it's still basically the same format, >> you know. I think um I'm with you. I've.

I'm always looking for ways to improve. the show, bring it to the next level, and I I got. to the point where we were just chasing. our tails. It was, well, let's redo the. thumbnails. Let's let's do this. Let's. change the intro. Let's do let's take. this out. let's put this in. And it it. just got to the point where I was like, man, this is these are small minute. moves. And I mean, we did just upgrade. to the new studio, third guest here. But.

um. >> this is bananas, by the way. >> Thank you. >> You should do a backstage tour of this. facility. >> I I probably will eventually. >> Pretty crazy. >> But um but what what I did, you know, is. is when I realized, all right, we're. chasing our tail here. The show is. great. It's got great visuals. And I set. it up that way from the very beginning. And um and so what I did is is I started. refocusing that energy into building new. things because I mean I think we're uh.

I'm definitely a creative. You seem like a creative as well. And so. I just took the. I didn't know where to put my. creativity. And so I started I started. focusing on these businesses, you know, that that we're going to launch before. the end of the year. And that those have. become my new creative outlet because I. just it just got to the point I was. like, I don't know how to improve what I. have. And I love what I have, but it's.

it's it's not feeding that creative. outlet that I that I that I need and. crave. And so I refocused that in into. these other businesses and and the. design of the studio and the shooting. range and all everything that we have. here. It was that was my creative outlet. for about a year. Uh building this and. making the best experience for the. guests, for myself, for my team and then. once that was designed then I started. moving into the business stuff and that.

that's my new creative outlet. >> Do you think that focusing on the. minutiae like you did because I've gone. through that. Do you think that was. trying to assuage my anxiety at the. time? >> Probably. >> because it is for me. >> We. myself, my team, we run a,000 miles an. hour all the time. >> You everyone here is amazing and really. friendly, but it's I was talking about. this with Jeremy who's incredible. What. a find. Uh it's a tight ship here. Like.

you're hitting your marks and go take. the photo and do all this stuff. there. is a a system in place as family. oriented and as fun as it is. I mean, it's super fun. Shooting a Winchester is. is a highlight of my month. But, uh, but. you're very organized here. I People. compliment me on my studio when they. come by. They're like, I've never seen. anything like this. And I I I'm in here. like, oh my goodness, I'm doing. everything wrong and I've got so much. more to do. >> Dude, you are doing everything right.

>> If you saw my studio, you'd be like, "Yeah, grab a clipboard. We got to have. some work. You know, I can help me with. my grip. You can help me with my. lighting as well. >> Right on. Right on. But well, let's. let's move in. I want to talk about the. moon landing. That was that was the. first. So my editor, who you met, Darren. knows all about this stuff and he's the. one that got me interested in it. And so. I started looking things up on the. internet and came across you and I was.

like, "This is by far the best. explanation I've ever heard." All it's. all in there. At least I think it's all. in there. And uh so I I want to dive in. there. What What got you interested in. the moon landing? >> Um that was an episode that people just. demanded. I didn't want to do it because. everyone's done the moonlanding. And I. are you talking about the Stanley Kubric. one? Because I've done a few Moon. videos. I think I have a whole. compilation. >> I probably watched all of them, but I I.

know the Stanley Kubri thing was in. there. How the shadows don't align, but. let's go into it. I want to I want to. hear all of it. >> Um, so I debunked a lot of that. moonlanding stuff. A lot of that episode. is based on Bart Sabrell's. uh Bart Sabrell, it it had a documentary. quite a while ago, maybe 20 years. A. funny thing happened on the way to the. moon, I think is the name of it. And if. you're into the moon stuff, that's the. documentary to watch. And uh Bart's. someone who who I trade email with who I.

told him I I'm as soon as I'm ready, I. got to have you in here because he knows. everything about it. But I debunked a. lot of his stuff in the documentary. But. I couldn't debunk all of it. There was a. there were some weird things about um. you know when you see the astronauts and. you it looks like there's wires you know. reflections off the wires. It's hard to. explain that. I I tried to I said you. know the way that that piece of. equipment is it could be this but I.

agree it looks weird and the way the. astronauts fall doesn't look natural but. it's 16th gravity. It could be weird. You know, I try to be open-minded to all. of it. It's an episode that. still confounds me. I like I go back and. forth depending on who I talk to about. whether it really happened. And I think. the percentage of Americans who don't.

believe that we went to the moon, it's. just rising every year. Uh I hope I have. nothing to do with that. >> I'm sure you have something to do with. that. But, you know, they they they lost. the tapes, all the original tapes of the. moon landing. What what you watch when. Neil Armstrong climbs off the the limb, one small step for man, that's not a. direct feed from anything that that was. that was projected on a wall in NASA and.

the networks put aimed their camera at. the wall to get like this projection and. the networks are like, "Hey, can we just. get the direct feed because that would. be a lot better." They're like, "No, no, this is we're going to do it this way.". And then they they lost all those tapes. They they lost the telemetry. And when asked, "Why don't we go back?". NASA said, "Well, we can't replicate. that technology. It's too difficult.". >> Yeah. Isn't there like some some um. I don't know what you call we can't get.

past a certain point supposedly. They. said they. >> I think it was your episode. They're. like, "We lost the technology." It's. like you you lost the technology to get. us to the moon. You just happened to. lose it. >> Nobody really. >> Where did it go? >> They just lost it. Um you might be. talking about the Van Allen radiation. belt. >> That's it, >> right? Which is high velocity particles. and it's just this energetic field that. surrounds the Earth and is very. dangerous. And if you're aware of. something called the South Atlantic.

anomaly, it's this part of our geometric. uh the geomagnetic field that is just. it's burning a hole through it. If you. if you look at it on on like an. electromagnetic map, it's just a big. hole. It's getting bigger and now it's. starting to branch off into a second. one. And nobody knows why that's. happening. And. geomagnetism and the pole shifts and all. that. I can go down that rabbit hole too. because all that stuff terrifies me. >> Do it. >> Solar radiation the and the grid going.

down, all that stuff terrifies me. Um, so the Van Allen radiation belts that. you have NASA astronauts saying, "Oh, we. think we found a way now that we can get. out of, you know, high Earth orbit that. we can finally get past the Van Allen. radiation belts." Like, we already did. that, man, didn't we? Didn't we do that. 17 times or whatever? But they forgot. They didn't. They lost it. We can't. replicate it. >> Unbelievable. >> I don't buy it.

>> I don't buy it either. >> So, just let us know what's going on. >> On top of that, wasn't there was a space. race or a race to the moon between us. and Russia during the Cold War. Right. >> There was. And Russia was first to. everything. We were behind on. everything. Russia has first Sputnik. goes up. Sputnik 2 goes. So, first man. satellite in orbit. first man in orbit, first animal in orbit, first woman in. orbit, first spacew walk, first uh. geostationary satellites, all first. first first. And we're falling behind.

And you can hear JFK giving speeches, you know, and they're pressing him on it. and like the Saturn program is not going. well and the rockets are blowing up on. the launch pads and he's he's saying. like, "No matter how much money we throw. at it, we're going to be second. We're. going to be second." You can hear him. talking about it. And then suddenly. 1969, we're we're there. We surpass all. of it. We surpass all of the Soviets. accomplishments and we go and we land on. the moon.

Okay. Okay. It It seemed like we took a. great leap forward there, but there's really no explanation for. it. >> Did we? Yeah. >> Well, where do you stand on it? >> I'm like you. I go back and forth. I'm. G. I mean, I wonder what I would think. had we not been through COVID and all. these other things, Epstein and all. these other things that keep coming out. that destroy any trust in any government.

institution there is. Every every COVID. conspiracy that I talked about just came. true. But. I, you know, to me it was always. obvious. And the big problem with that. is and I you were vocal as well and I. was very nerv nervous about my opinions. on co but. I hope that I didn't just get lucky. You. know those of us that were doubting and. those that thought it was just kind of a. a power grab.

I hope we didn't just get lucky because. when the next pandemic comes and they. want to do lockdowns, Americans are not. going to do it. Even you know even like. the middle of the road people are going. to be like I can't do that again. I. can't put my kids on Zoom again. I'm not. doing it. And if it's a real pandemic. like the Spanish flu or something, we're. going to be in trouble. >> Or Ebola. >> Or Ebola, >> something something serious, man. >> So that's that's chickens coming home to. roost when you're so secret. When. there's such a lack of transparency, when it's so corrupt, you know, I. understand that there needs to be some.

secrecy. Yeah, I attack FBI, CIA, and. NSA all the time, but I still want them. there. I still want them to have the. tools that they need to do their jobs. I. want America to be the most powerful. country on the planet. I want us to have. the best military in the world. I just. don't want us to use it that often. But. overall, I want transparency in what. we're doing. And we don't have any of. that. >> Mm- not one bit. >> So then there's going to be no trust. >> Now, if those things hadn't have. happened,

you know, it's interesting because I. don't I don't know how much that. affected my my psyche, you know what I. mean? and and and now now it's like. anything it gets to the point where it's. like anything that is put out it's like. you know. that's a distraction that's [ __ ]. that didn't happen there's no way that. definitely happened and you're saying it. didn't. >> you know and and and you know and then.

and then the I mean [ __ ] it half of. Trump's it appeared to Hey, there was a. lot of chatter about releasing the. Epstein files and all this other [ __ ]. And then we get in there and it's like. everybody's beating the same damn drum. Oh no, look over here. Oh, Russia Gate. And it's like, right, right, cuz we're. we're diving into Russia Gate when the. entire American population, both the. right and the left, are screaming,

"Release the Epstein files." But let's. let's concentrate on this Russia. Let's. let's concentrate on this, right? And when we're not I for two years I've. been saying this and I get a lot of heat. from it. We're not going to get the. list. There's no list. We're not going. to get it. It's everyone wants to talk. about that. It's some it's some sex. trafficking ring. That's part of it. It's a blackmail operation. It's a. moneywashing operation for for the. intelligence community that to connect. the dots. Doesn't take any effort at all. to you. I never talk about Msada on my.

show because I'm not stupid. But you can. you can connect all these agencies to. all this. Just follow the money. >> Somehow you Epstein is connected to Iron. Contra, you know, just follow the money. >> How's he connected to Iron Contra? when. he was I think he was an adviser for. Adnan Kosigible back in the 80s who was. like it's like an arms dealer slash. asset you know wealthy family slash. could move a lot of weapons around and a.

lot of cash around and I'm going to get. a lot of things wrong today so. my job is not to get everything right my. job is to get you thinking and go find. out. so they needed to get cash and weapons. we need to get weapons to Iran which he. is illegal. Congress told them no, no, no. They passed law, law, law, and they. just did it anyway. And we got to get. cash to the to the Congress and we have. to do it without Congress knowing,

which isn't an ideal way to run a. democracy, but so you need middlemen and. Kosogi is is known as a middleman for. for the IC and Epstein seems to be. And it's not like I'm the first to talk. about this. You know, >> I've heard people who've met him, you. know, people like Eric Weinstein, who. who I who I like, tells his story about. meeting Epstein and walked out of there. feeling like he he's I don't think he's. ever said it publicly. that he felt like Epstein was part of.

the IC. He he said he felt like he was a. manufactured personality. and and he kind of hinted at there was. someone kind of pulling his strings kind. of kind of creating this facade. >> Interesting. >> cuz here's a guy who had no he has I. don't think he had a college degree and. he ends up teaching math at age 20 at a. at a wealthy school and just suddenly. skyrockets through the finance game.

doesn't doesn't add up. So, we're not. going to learn because it's it would it. would wreck all kinds of things. >> No matter it, they botched this so bad. They had all the, you know, influencer. types up at the White House at the very. the very beginning holding up the. binders. Oh, we got it. >> I don't know whose idea that was, but. that was such a disservice. >> What were they thinking? I mean, and. then, you know, and then and then the. distractions and diversions that have. come up since. It's like you guys have. botched this so bad. No matter what.

comes out, unless it is aligned with the. wildest conspiracy you've ever heard of, nobody's going to believe it. >> Not going to believe it. >> Nobody's going to believe it. >> There was no tape, but then there was a. tape. Or then there was a tape, but only. Bill Barr saw the tape. >> Uh, Bill Bar's father, of course, is. involved with Epstein and Golain. >> Oh, go figure. >> Go figure. But now there is a tape, but. there's some minutes missing, which is a. story we hear over and over, right? There's always minutes missing. Always. the minutes are missing. >> So, I don't know. So, now we're at the.

point where we don't trust anybody. >> and I don't follow it close enough. Um, like I talk about political issues a. lot, but I'm not ideological. So, just a quick sidetrack. So, I get. attacked quite a bit for being far-left. and far right. and for, you know, being ideological. And I keep saying I'm political, but I'm. not ideological. Politics to me is. governments and how they interact with.

society. That's what I'm interested in. So, I did this experiment. I the three. major AI platforms. So, Google Gemini, Anthropic, Claude, and Open AAI chat. GPT. I sent the same question in. Analyze all the W files episodes. Everything that AJ Gentiel has ever said. publicly on every podcast, everything. he's ever written, it's been published. Analyze all that and tell me, is he. coming at these issues from the left or. the right? All the AI platforms. And if. you're listening to this, you do it. yourself. Says there is no left or right. bias in anything that I'm saying. I'm.

focused on truth, facts, research. I'm. clearly anti-government, protransparency, anti-corruption, and that is where I come from. So when I. talk about Epstein, I'm going to get. attacked from from different sides. I. don't know where this is. Is it a. leftright issue? To me, it's it's not. It's a transparency corruption issue. You shouldn't matter if you're a. Democrat or Republican, which which are. fake now anyway. So, I don't know. I could be saying.

controversial things today to one side. or the other. I just don't know which. side until I get home. >> Yeah, it's a the media has a big say in. that. You know, I got I got painted as. this ultraright mega podcaster. and I'm not I'm very middle of the road. and so I had to I had to work my way out. of that and we're doing it. But but. yeah, you know, America's just become so. tribalized, man. And it goes back to. critical thinking. Nobody seems to have.

the the the fortitude to to critical. think anymore. And so it's. it it it if you say anything against one. party or another, no matter whether it's. if it's true, I mean in everything that. we do, we we try to, you know, our best. to bring truth and it's like, man, like. you're not listening. You're not. listening. like this is a fault of this.

specific party and you have wrapped your. entire identity up into this [ __ ] and. you're not [ __ ] listening. That's the. problem is when you when your identity. is your ideology, now you have a. problem. Now you've created a bubble and. you've got to protect that. So you can't. you can't hear anything that goes. against your identity. Your identity is. is the party. That's a bad situation. >> You know, I say to my audience, if.

you're on the left and you think the. right is the problem or you're on the. right and you think the left is the. problem, you're the problem. Cuz that is. all theater. This is just to keep us. spinning our wheels. We should instead. of worrying about party politics because. the establishment on the Republicans and. the establishment Democrats want the. same thing anyway. You know, they want. big government war and all that stuff. But most of us don't want that stuff. Most of us are kind of in the middle of. things. I I don't identify with either. party. You know, I'm I'm I'm pro troops,

pro- military, but anti-war. >> You know, I'm pro cop, very pro law. enforcement, but I think we need we need. reform. So, I I don't think I'm that. unusual. I don't think those are. controversial things. Pro-choice, pro-life, that's that's between you and. God. I'm not involved in that. you know, I'm very libertarian and of those things. and I I think we need to get away from. the tribalism and start to look at. individual issues and individual people.

and call out the corruption when we see. it. I don't know how many politicians you've. interviewed, but in you know, my career, I worked as a as a contractor in the. engineering side for in politics for. almost 20 years from local villages all. the way up to having uh clients in. Congress and met all these politicians, famous ones, name brand clients. These. are just people. They're flawed. They're. ambitious. Can't really be trusted, but they're all.

the same. Like I and we worked with. party both parties and you'd have these. meetings with Republicans and Democrats. It's just the same person on they just. want to get reelected. They're going to. say whatever they got to say to the. base, get reelected. And I just feel. like it's a smoke screen. >> WWE wrestling. >> That's what it is. >> That's what it is. >> That's what it is. And our system, it's. such a shame because our system does not. encourage the best and brightest to get. involved. I'd never run for office. You. said you they you were tried, they tried.

to recruit you. Mhm. >> No. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. You got a wife and kids. >> I think that's how they control you. I think that's also why we're seeing a. lot of young, weak people. get into office is because they're. propped up and they know they're going. to be very easy to control. >> Yes, that's what I think. And it's it's. just through doing this, I see how easy. it could be to fall into certain traps, take a favor from somebody that seems.

like, "Oh, I just want to I just want to. help you." Like, "What are you, my. [ __ ] parent?" No. No. >> I know what this is. You're going to do. this and then 6 months later, you're. going to ask me you're going to start. asking me for favors and dangle that. [ __ ] in front of my face. No, not doing. it. >> Right. And if you don't do it, we'll. just primary you or smear you. Or. nowadays, we'll just lock you up. We'll. just raid your wife's underwear drawer. We'll just we'll just turn the FBI on. you. >> Yep. Yep.

Well, let's talk about I want to talk. about the hollow moon. >> Okay. >> Is the moon hollow? I have not dug into. this. I I had a side conversation with. Randall Carlson once and he's the one. that brought it brought it up. I have. not seen this episode on of yours. Uh, it's a fun one. That was uh Gino, my. brother said, "You got to do this one.". And I was like, "Hol Moon? That is. nonsense." And then I'm I'm researching. the episode and and I just start to. realize that there's a lot of weird.

stuff about the moon. By the time I was. done with the episode, I was convinced. that it was hollow. But um there's a lot of weird things. that have happened with the moon. Like. first of all, the moon is too big to be. here. It's just too big. We've never. found another system in our solar system. or any other that has this giant moon. right next to us like this. This is uh. totally unique. We haven't found a moon. that has such a perfect orbit like this. that also it the same side faces us all. the way. We're a snowflake with this.

Totally unique. >> So that's strange. >> No [ __ ] I didn't realize that. No, we. haven't found. >> the only moon that we know of that. doesn't rotate. >> No, there are a few moons that are. tightly locked like that. >> Okay. >> But there but but it's rare. But when. you stack up all these coincidences, it. starts to paint a picture like the moon. is weird. >> Um, you know, a lot of people will point. to the fact that the moon.

during the eclipse is like the perfect. size to block out the sun because it's. like a 400 to1 ratio. That's fair. But. the moon at one point was a lot closer. to the Earth and it's it's drifting. away. So, at some point it's not going. to be perfect anymore. But the moon um the far side is the. crust is different, older, and much. thicker and fewer impacts are on the far. side that are on the near side. When you. think it would be the opposite because. that's kind of like should be grabbing.

things as they come in, but instead. there's not as many impacts on that. side. when um during one of the Apollo. missions as a test, a seismic test, they. crashed one of the rockets into the moon. just to take readings, seismograph. readings to see, you know, what was. going on there. And the phrase is the. moon rang like a bell for over an hour. So if you set off like seismic charges. here to measure sound waves that go. through the earth, as they go through.

the earth, they slow down. as they re go. through all this dense matter and then. through the through the mantle and the. core like it just slows down. The moon. they don't do that. The the sound waves. sped up and started to bounce all around. in there and started to to like. reverberate for a long time. And no one could really explain that. Now the prevailing theory, the. mainstream theory is that the moon is a. lot less dense than the earth because it. was created from the earth's crust and.

the upper mantle which is less dense. which is why the moon is less dense. So. the interiors has maybe some hollow. spaces or it's just a less it's not. quite as dense. That's why. Okay. But the sound waves bounced around. for a long time. There was a long time. >> This is true. >> This is true. >> What what hit it again? It was they. dropped one of the rocket boosters. They. just crashed in there. But they did uh. seismograph readings in subsequent. missions there, you know, where they.

actually actually drop in like. explosives, you know, control explosives. and they just take the readings and see. what happens to the sound waves. You. know, it's a it's a normal scientific. thing to do. I think they were just. surprised. There's been a couple of NASA scientists. who've even said it would make a lot. more sense that the moon wasn't here. than the fact that it is because there's. so many strange things about it. And um. we see light on the moon all the time. They're called um.

transient lunar phenomena. We just see. these like just light flashes on the. moon all the time. And if you have. binoculars, you can even see this in one. of the moon craters. which I think is. the Arisarus crater. There's this blue. glowing light that just appears from. time to time and then goes away and then. it appears again. They call it the blue. gem. >> What? >> And you can see it. So, what's causing. the light up there? Well, mainstream. scientists will say, "Well, you're. seeing flashes because the moon is it's. a lot like glass. It's very glassy and.

reflective. So, you're seeing that. But. we'll see light just like go across. You'll just see light zip across. And. then what's the blue like in that in. that same crater that we've been seeing. since 17th century? It's it's Aristarus. or Aristaris crater I think is how you. say it. Blue light. What is that? And. now they're seeing just very recently. like this year these swirls of light and. gases happening on the moon different. place. They don't understand it. There. was one point where the moon doesn't.

really have an atmosphere. It has a tiny. one. Doesn't really have one but for a. little while it did. there was just all. this water vapor in the air on the moon. that came from somewhere and then just. disappeared. So, I don't know what that. is. And then you've had people who have seen. pictures like I've talked about Carl. Wolf who was um US Air Force and he was. like a technician. He basically the level is a copy repair. man and he's called in to fix some. imaging equipment at NASA or or Air.

Force wherever. And he walks in there. and he's like an airman. He sees another. young guy and he's like, "Oh, Carl, you. got to see this." And Carl looks, he's. like, "What am I looking at?" He's like, "This is the back side of the moon. There's like cities there and stuff. There's mushroom shaped things and. towers and highways and all this stuff.". Carl's like, "This is amazing. I can't. believe it." And Carl said he went home. He told his wife and he said he was. watching the news, waiting for this to. show up on the news, but it never did. And you could see those photos. allegedly. Um, and I used them in one of.

my episodes and that looks like it looks. like a civilization on on the far side. of the moon. Um, Carl unfortunately was. met with an untimely death. He got hit. by a car when he was riding his bike. So, we don't know much more from Carl, but he was part of the um the 2000. so much. >> This crazy. >> so much. When I did the killer patents. episode, I ended it with all the like. the free energy inventors that.

>> like the hydrogen car guy. >> He got he said he was poisoned. He said. his to his he is having he's having like. lunch with investors to like finally. take his his car ran on water. This is. Stanley Meyer. And uh he's not feeling. well and he runs outside. He's like. throwing up in the street and his his. brother was his partner and and his. brother's what's going on. That guy was. poisoned and then he dies and that was. the end of it. No more water car. Um, didn't we just have this kid who created. plastene? He like took plastic and.

created fuel out of it and then he. disappeared for a little while. I think. he's back. Um, so it could be a. conspiracy, but I'm going to look into. him. But a lot of these inventors, so my. favorite one is Sparky Sweet, who's. worth looking into cuz he has video of. all all this stuff like in his workshop. And you see he's got he's got voltmeters. and stuff and all this energy is. created. And he takes his camera around. He's like, "Look, nothing is plugged in. Nothing is plugged in." And it caught. the attention of someone in in in. military somewhere who said, "I'm going.

to I want to be your partner and we'll. take this wide or whatever." And he. worked with this guy for a while. And. then at some point, black van shows up. Couple of guys in suits have a. conversation with Sparky and his wife. They go away. And then he has a heart. attack. And that's that's really the end. of it. all his all his research was. taken, everything was seized because and. that's that's how it works. >> But that's what happened with Nicola. Tesla too, right? Did they they seized. all 80 boxes of research? >> So when he died when he he died the um.

it wasn't the FBI at the time, although. the FBI was there. It was like the the. office of of alien alien property or. something, whatever agency's in charge. of foreigners. He died and within hours. they were in his room. This is at the. New Yorker hotel and they seized 80. boxes of his research all all kind of. research plans and. cuz it's you know it's national security.

and they held on to it for months and. months and they finally returned his. property to his nephew but 20 boxes were. missing. So in those boxes allegedly and. this is this falls under project Nick is. Tesla's research into direct energy. weapons to DWS which was very hot with. uh military at the time with DARPA and. all of that. We still don't know what's happened to. those boxes, but we do know that they. were researching things based on Tesla's.

research. and and the the formula, the the sort of. the architecture for the HARP project up. in Alaska. A lot of that comes from. Tesla's research. And it took me a quite. a while to connect the dots, but you. will find. missing Tesla's missing work suddenly. shows up in patents from this from this. guy somewhere in Alaska. I forget his. name. And out of the blue, he lands a a.

contract with the DoD for a lot of. money. And they build a facility in uh. in Fairbanks, Alaska. And it's it's it's just an array of. antennas in a small building. And it. cost a fortune. Like it where' the money. how where' the money go? Cost a fortune. And what it does is it it ionizes and. creates plasma in the atmosphere. And. they say this we use this to test the. atmosphere.

But it could also be used for all kinds. of processes. What Tesla wanted to do is. create free energy by exciting the. ionosphere. That was that was what he. was doing with Warden Cliff Tower. But. um he needed funding to do that and he. couldn't get any funding. JP Morgan was. his patron and he told um JP Morgan, I. need, do you see it in his letter? I. need a sum of money. He he needed like. $200,000 to get this project going. And. JP Morgan said, "Well, you're building.

wireless communication. What do you need. all this money for?" And Tesla's like, "No, no, no. Wireless communication. I. got that. We're going to do wireless. energy. We're going to do wireless free. energy for everyone on the planet can. just tap into this and you just get free. electricity. And JP Morgan says, "Well, how do you put a meter on that?". JP Morgan JP Morgan owned. copper mines that made copper wire. He. owned rubber farms all over the world. that made insulation for the wire. He. owned a lumber mills and forests that.

created poles for wire. He owned coal. factories. He owned machine shops that. created generators for electricity. And. he owned railroads that brought all this. stuff around the country. Free energy. shuts that whole business down. We don't. need any of that. Cargi, we don't need. any of that. The Melon family, we don't. need you guys anymore. It's just free. Imagine what the world would be like if. energy was just free. >> That's the golden age. >> Yeah. We're not going to live to see it. >> Nope. Nope. Wow. Wow.

I think I went off on a few tangents, but. >> have you Have you ever looked into the. flat earth stuff? >> I have. I'm not a flat-earther. >> Me either. >> You know, I don't even want to do an. episode on it because to me it's it's so. ridiculous. Uh but people do request it. And me calling it ridiculous, I'm going. to get a lot of hate for it. But but I. can handle the hate from the. flatearthers. That that's fine. But I do. like the theory. Like you on YouTube,

you're not going to find much flat earth. stuff. That's that is suppressed. But if. you go land on Rumble and search Flat. Earth, >> why do you think they suppress it? >> Uh. there's there's some stuff we'd have to. talk about off air, but there are there. are subjects. that YouTube will just not allow you to. >> to discuss. Um, so I, you know, I I don't I can't say. specifically because I made a promise to. someone to not tell, but if you look at. a couple of my demonetized videos,

you'll see that they're kind of soft. softball. Like, why is this demonetized? Go look at those. Those are no no topics. that I didn't know until it was too. long. I was like, why is this. demonetized? Like, I can't talk about. that. I'm like, everything's true in here. I debunk most. of it. Like, can't even talk about it at. all. true or not. So flat earth, they. don't like that one. But if you go on. Rumble and spend like two, three, four. hours just watching those videos, you. walk away like a It could be. >> There's some compelling stuff.

>> Good stuff. >> There are some compelling arguments. Yeah, >> I will say Article. He's got a point. >> Damn. Damn. What do you think? So, back. to Nicola Tesla. What do you think about. the pyramids? >> Oh, what were they? >> So, guns to my head. I I think they were. used to generate energy. I think there's. a lot of evidence for it. You know, for. people interested in it, uh, they can. look into Christopher Dunn's work who's. done he's done the research, the. definitive research on the pyramid power. plant theory. Tesla was fascinated by.

the pyramids, not so much for energy, but for um, how they were constructed, how they're constructed to true north. and all of that. He was fascinated by. the engineering of it. But his free. energy device, a lot of that engineering can be seen in. the pyramid. So Warden Cliff Tower was. his facility on Long Island, which is. big, just a big tower. It looks like a. water tower, but it's built over an. aquifer. And what Tesla was trying to do. was use. the water creates this deep resonant.

sound that resonates with the Earth's. natural frequency. Everything has a. resonant frequency where the earth, this. chair, our bodies, everything does. And. if you can come into harmony with that. frequency, it will expand. It will. amplify. And there's been research that certain. wavelengths broadcast at the Great. Pyramid will amplify that. electromagnetic energy. It's around 200. m, I think. So Tesla is fascinated with.

that engineering. But the pyramid power plant theory is a. lot like Tesla's technology. The the the. Giza plateau, there is an aquifer under. there. There's a lot of water under. there and that water would create this. resonant frequency and they found copper. rods that go down there that would help. bring up some some of the electricity or. however it worked. And then in the pyramid at the various. chambers there's residue of certain. chemicals that when combined create a.

lot of hydrogen like a lot like the. violent reaction of hydrogen. So coming. down from the queen's chamber and then. it might be I I forget the other chamber. but they're built in a way so they come. down you use gravity and you just pour. these chemicals down creates this. hydrogen reaction which we know creates. there's residue of these chemicals there. not this is not a conspiracy theory the. hydrogen expands comes up through the. gallery which is this this sort of this.

big hallway that goes up to the king's. chamber and they've discovered that in. the grand gallery there used to be these. wooden posts or some kind of wooden sort. of flat wooden things and those were. those would create sound. It's called a. Helmhulse resonator. Like when you blow. across a bottle goes that air is a. Helmos resonator. So this hydrogen would. come up through the chamber. These. things would resonate with sound. The F#. chord specifically and that would cause. it to build up more and more and more.

The hydrogen expands. This chamber is built out of rose. granite, which is an unusual type of. granite because it's densely made of. quartz. And when you compress quartz, it. creates electricity. It's called pio. electricity. And if you have a lot of. quartz, you can create a lot of. electricity. There's been experiments. done where if it's a mountain of quartz, it creates something like 10 million. volts. Like creates a lot of power. So. you've got this, you've got the hydrogen. expanding, creating this electricity.

It's ionizing the air, amplifying it. more. You've got the sound coming. through, amplifying it more. And then. you've got this this hole leading into. the king's chamber that's 4.8 in x 8.4. in, which is the perfect size for a. hydrogen atoms microwave to just fit. through as a wave guide. Comes up into. the king's chamber. And the king's. chamber has these pillars and on top of. it a bunch of stones that are stacked. Everything is really smooth except the. top is really rough.

And forever they thought that this was. they called this the relieving stones. that these would relieve the pressure of. the pyramids but they're not connected. to anything. So there there's no. pressure there. But what they found is. that. this creates. music creates this chord. And what the theory is is it's rough on. top because they would chip away at it. and tune it until it was just about. right. And that's why it's smooth on the.

bottom and rough on the top. And if you had So you've got all this. energy. So how do we get it out? Well, when the pyramids were new or you. know intact, the interior is made out of a certain. type of limestone. that. electricity can move around in. The. exterior is made out of a different kind. of limestone called tur limestone which. is quaried from far far away and brought. in. >> way down the Nile right. >> way down hundreds of miles away like.

you'll hear Zia talk about the limestone. on the pyramid but he never talks about. the tour limestone or the rose granite. so there all these different why not. just build the whole thing out of out of. the same rocks that are right here why. it the bring the tour limestone to Giza. is like bringing the 100 ton blocks up. the coast of Florida. It's like that. far, but it's a special type of. limestone that's very low in magnesium. It won't It's a great insulator. So, you've got this electricity and then.

you've got sort of this conductor and. then you've got another insulator. and that's called a dialectric and that. creates even more power. And if you had. a gold capstone on top, which is a great. conductor, you can force that energy up. through the capstone and up into the. ionosphere. And that's what Nicola Tesla. is trying to do. It's the same. technology. Where I get stuck is I love all of that. and I'm by I buy it, but we don't see. any evidence of what they did with the. power. So some the people who are really.

into it will say, "Well, the obelisks at. one time also had metal capstones, so. they would be receivers." Okay, but. still what did they do with it? You. know, there's no computers. There's no. light bulbs. They ancient Egyptians. didn't work with glass. So what did they. do with it? My guess is the Egyptians didn't build. any of this is the reason that we don't. see any evidence of what the Egyptians. did with power is because they didn't. use it for power. I think the Egyptians. just found it and they said, "Wow, this. is crazy. This gods must have made.

this." And it just became sort of this, you know, religious type of structure. It's not It's supposed to be the tomb. for Kufu, but no mummy's ever been found. in a pyramid. They've never found any of. that. Now, >> wow. >> Egyptologists will say, "Well, they they. were robbed. The the mummies were there, but they were taken out." All right. Well, there's no evidence of any of. that, but there is evidence of zinc. chloride at one side and hydrochloric. acid on another side and sulfuric acid.

here, and there's an inch of salt that. would up and down this chamber that. would be the result of a chemical. reaction. There's evidence of an. explosion at some point on all this. stuff. You can look up. You don't have. to believe what I'm saying. I'm not. trying to convince anybody. I'm just. saying these things are true and I'm. just connecting the dots for my. entertainment, but you can go look at. them and make your up your own mind. >> Damn. So, you think they found them? >> I think they found him. I think they. were there for a long time. >> So, what do you think that was? Previous.

civilizations? >> Previous civilizations? I I I'm not an. alien guy. >> You're not an alien guy? >> Not really, because I can't wrap my mind. around. crossing the distances of space. so far. like we can't space is so big that the. human mind can't even we can't. comprehend it. >> Mhm. >> You know, like so we've got this comet. threeey atlas just zipping into the. solar system now. It's the fastest. object we've ever found. It's like.

135,000 mph. We've never seen a comet. move this fast. It's still going to take. 6 months to get through. So if things. are it's that big. So, I can't get my. mind around. aliens. What? Wormholes folding space. It's I can't get my mind around it. But. something's going on. I we I've seen. I've seen videos. Most, you know, I. don't believe the I don't believe the. the whistleblowers. I don't believe. anyone from Air Force Intelligence. I. don't believe any of that. I If you have.

a book out, I I don't believe what. you're saying. If you're cleared by the. DoD, >> I definitely don't. >> I definitely don't. If you still have. clearance and you're still a contractor. and you you're still working with the. OD, I can't you're not a whistleblower, you're doing PR. So, with all due. respect, I don't believe you guys. Um, Matthew Brown, I think his last name is. Brown. He's kind of a compelling. whistleblower because he doesn't go over. the top. He just says, "I found evidence. of, you know, something going on in.

space." And that's really all he says. So, as far as the ancient civilizations, you know, I I don't go as far as like. Graham Hancock might go where there's an. ancient advanced civilization. I don't. want to put words in his mouth cuz I'm. cuz I'm a huge admirer, huge fan. I made. at least 10 videos based around his. research. But, um, but in geological time, the earth, the surface of the earth just. turns itself inside and out every few.

million years. So the earth we're. standing on now just wasn't here 10. million years ago. There's only a couple. of places on the planet that still have. exposed rock that's 4 billion years old. There's only it's I think Jack Hill in. Australia and then. somewhere in uh in can like West Canada. Everything else is pretty new. So if. there was a civilization, it's very easy. for it just to get folded into just the. tectonic activity of the earth. and perhaps the pyramid survived that. You know, when we see the the pictures.

of the discovery of the Sphinx, it was. buried. You know, they didn't just walk. up and see a sphinx there. They saw like. the top of a head and they're like, "What's this?" And they dug all that. out. And then on there, we see evidence. of high volume, high pressure water flow. and water erosion. It's kind of hard to. discount that now, which they did for. years. It's hard to discount it. When. you look at Robert Shock's work and some. and Randall Carlson's work, >> it's to me it's not debatable. It's It's. right there.

>> Mhm. >> We're also on Easter Island. >> Easter Island. >> Those There's those heads that. >> the Moai heads. People don't realize. those heads have bodies. So, you see all. these heads sticking up? They have They. have bodies. So, first of all, Easter. Island is in the middle of nowhere. If. you look at it on Google Earth, good. luck. You'll never find it. You have to. you have to type it in and then pull. back and see how in the middle of. nowhere this place is. So you've got. these statues that are I don't know 80.

tons or whatever. So either there's a. thousand of them on the island. So. either. >> there's a thousand. >> thousand of those. So either they dug. these holes and dropped in a giant. statue and then filled it in or the. statues were there and then the earth. came and filled on top of it. I don't know. You know, I'm not there. There's a lot of mud flood conspiracy. theorists. I'm not one of those. But if those statues are really old, the.

earth has changed quite a bit in that. time. I don't know why they're buried. Nobody does. And at one point, Easter. Island had 25,000 people living on it. It's a whole society and it's only, you. know, a few square miles, tiny little. triangle. >> Man, I did not realize that. I'd love to. go there sometime, you know. But aren't. all these Stonehenge, the Pyramids, Machu Picchu, Easter Island. I know. there's more that I'm not that I can't. remember right now. But aren't all these. things like on they're like a perfect.

line, right? >> Yeah. There's the layline theory that um. there are these lines of energy that go. around the earth and where these points. where these lines intersect are high. energy points and that's where these. ancient sites are and they're pretty. close but when you look at the layline. maps you can make it look like anything. I've seen layline maps that look like. just. lines everywhere like you can make you. you can make anything fit.

So, I'm not I'm not totally convinced on. the way I'm. >> gotcha. I'm not that in in touch with. it, but it's it's just Have you looked. into Stonehenge at all? >> A little bit. >> What's going on there? What do you think. that is? >> Uh, I really just think it was It wasn't. Druids. It was definitely an ancient culture, but they had pretty advanced. engineering. And that that whole. compound is is really big. Like, it's. more than just the stones that we see.

It's it's a whole perimeter. And then. there's another um site not too far from. it that's even bigger, but there's not. really stones there anymore. But this. was a giant compound. But these these stones line up so well. with with equinoxes that it shows that. there's some type of advanced. engineering. And it doesn't sound that. impressive until you until you realize. that when you ask someone what an. equinox is. Kind of what I was taught. was it's when the day and night are the.

same length. That's an equinox. But. that's not what it is. That's an equal. lux. That when day and night are equal. is different for everybody on the planet. depending on where you are. An equinox. is when the sun is perfectly over the. equator. around the earth. So, whoever built. Stonehenge were lining up the stones to. match when the sun was perfectly over. the equator, but they're not supposed to. know about the equator. So, how did they do that, man? >> So, you can if you get into the.

numerology of the of the pyramids, it's. the same thing. If you take the height. of the pyramid and multiply it by. 43,200, it turns out to be the polar. radius of the Earth. And then take the. perimeter, multiply it by 43,200, and it becomes the circumference of the. Earth. it. It's very easy to dismiss that, but. I find it interesting. A lot of coincidences are just that, but. in those are some interesting. threads to pull. And that's what I. that's what I do is I just pull the. threads and I lay it out like this. I.

tell it as excited as I am cuz I'm. fascinated. I'm not saying I believe. hardly any of it. I'm just giving you. what I've found. You've looked into remote viewing, too. >> Very much. >> I wasn't planning on going here, but I. So, I dove into remote viewing and then. Joe McMongle, Angela Ford, uh, Colonel. John Alexander, who am I missing? Skip Atwater. I've had. a uh Edwin May. Had them all on cuz I I.

So, >> these are big names. >> Yeah. Backstory. I was telling you about my friend uh in. the road rage incident, right? And we. had contracted, you know, we were. contracting at the agency together and I. remember way after we got we got really. close after after we were there. and uh he had mentioned that he had seen. remote viewers show up at station in one.

of the countries that we were at. >> Interesting. >> And I was like, what the [ __ ] is a. remote viewer? >> What year is this? This was probably. somewhere in between. 2010. and 2015. >> Oh, so Stargate has already has been. shut down 20 years. >> Yep. Long time after. And so we started. having these chats and he was kind of. schooling me up on what they are. And I. was like, "Are you sure?" And he's like, "Yes, I'm 100% sure he's not a conspiracy.

guy." So I started diving into it and I. had first guy I had on was uh actually. this guy Sean Webb who introduced me to. Joe McMonagle and Sean had gone through. the Monroe Institute and was tell he was. like my first guy that that was telling. me how it worked and the Hemisync and. all this the envelopes and. >> army army military intelligence went. through that whole program. >> Yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> I'm very familiar with it at this point. But you did I think it was you. I I.

think I used one of your episodes for my. research actually and Joe hid remote. viewed. um. some type of. extraterrestrial type facility in. Alaska. Was that was that your episode? >> It's probably Pat Price. Pat Price saw. under Mount Hayes. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> Mount Mother Effan Hayes he likes to. call it. Uh Pat Price is he's the most.

believable remote viewer to me. He. fascinates me. But uh but the but the. OGs are are Joe McMongle, Ingo Swan, and. Pat Price, who like those are like the. original guys from from Sri. Um which is Russell Tar and Hal Putoff. ran that program. Uh who are probably getable. I'd like to. see Hal on your show. >> I'd love to get Hal on my show. >> Yep. He he was very entertaining on. Rogan, but I also made the point that. Hal put off has been connected to.

disinformation. So, you got to take everything with a. grain of salt. >> Mhm. >> Remote viewing, I think there might be. something to it. Most of it, I think, is. nonsense. Most of it, I think, is like. strip mall psychic stuff. Joe McMonicle. definitely saw some things and you sat. here with him. He's a nononsense guy and. I think he kind of downplays it, but. this is a war hero. You know, he was he. was a a rockstar in Vietnam and he I. think he has a near-death experience and. then he has these abilities and he's.

definitely found some things. I think he. was the one who found the the the Soviet. sub. >> That's him. >> Yeah, >> that was the first big thing, >> right? But uh but Pat Price was so um Pat Price. was a he was a retired like police chief. from Burbank, California. And he was. known in the department of just being. good at solving crimes and he you know. he just kind of knew where the body was. or he knew where this this guy was or. that and he he just thought like he was. just his hunches were strong. So he.

retired and had a little bit more time. to just kind of relax. and. focus on his talent and he just started. to actually see that he had an ability. So he was Pat Price is he saw um in the. Soviet Union. giant crane on like railroad tracks that. you would never even just make up but he. saw that and that it was verified with. you know with spy fl spy plane that that.

they saw that that that was real with. Pat Price. So he had so many of of those. that um and CIA just pulled him in. They. just they pulled him out of SRI and he. really wasn't looking to do that. So he. goes over there and he he he's dead. pretty soon after. He's you know he. bumps into somebody in in the lobby of a. hotel in Las Vegas. He feels a pinch on. his arm, goes up to his room, calls his. wife, and he's he's dead by morning. Um, when Pat Price remote viewed into Mount.

Hayes, saw a joint alien US military. operation inside the mountain and he put. the files together. And I think from. there he gave the files to Hal, who then. gave them to Skip. I could have the. timeline wrong, but it's something like. that. Like Pat didn't pursue it. He he. he gave it over to the people he. trusted. And um I don't know if they. had anyone who can go and follow up with.

what Pat saw cuz he was really talented, but SRRI taught taught a lot of people. to do it. You know that they had a. secretary there that they were like, "Let's just teach her to do it and see. if she can do it." And she like found a. Soviet plane that went down in the Congo. with like within two miles of accuracy. It's such a weird story. Um, so you know with someone like Joe, if if. he's going to do 20,000 viewings, he's. going to get some right and he's but.

most of his stuff is wrong. So we tend to cherrypick the good stuff. >> Mhm. >> But it doesn't discount it completely. >> Yeah. That's what Edwin May told me. He. said I think he said and I can't. remember the number but I think I think. it may have been around 40%. He says, he. said, "Yeah, you know, he's like, you. none of this can be. it has to be proven for it to be like a. win." And because we were talking about. the the pyramids on Mars that Joe had.

remote viewed and he's like, he was like, "Joe was only right, I'm. not correct on this. It's it's maybe. lower, maybe a little. It's probably. lower if it's not this number, but he. said Joe was only right 40% of the. time.". >> That's a lot. >> Can't prove it. then it's you cannot. take it as fact. >> Right. He said he saw all those tall. beings on Mars, >> but he didn't know what he was viewing. He just got coordinates. >> Mhm. >> And then they open the envelope and it's.

Mars 1 million BC. >> Yeah. >> Which is a great story, but it's hard to. verify that. >> Yeah. >> But Ingos Swan's another one who remote. viewed the moon and saw aliens up there. and he said, "Aliens are not our. friends." So he went up up to the far. side and he said, "Yeah, there are bases. up there. They're watching us. They're. all over it.". >> Man, that's crazy to think about, isn't. it? But all right, let's take a quick break. When we come back, I want to hit Patriot. Act. O, here we go.

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I've been interested. It seems to be. resurfacing right now with AI and all. this other stuff. So, in fact, I better. grab a sesh for this one. >> Say, >> but. what got you interested in the topic? How'd it pop up on your radar? Cuz it's. been going on for a long time. >> Been going on for a while. It popped up. on my radar for when I was doing an. episode about. 33 Thomas Street, which is the Long. Lines building. >> But the the what building?

>> The Long Lines building. It's the AT&T. Long Lines building. 33 Thomas Street, New York, cenamed Titan Point. And it. New Yorkers will know this building. It's the weirdest building you'll ever. see. It has no windows, just has exhaust. vents. It's no lights. So when when it's. night time in the city, you've got all. the the lights on the skyline and you. just got this void for 32 Thomas. It's. very strange building. And all you hear. is the exhaust. And the lobby is looks normal until you.

get up kind of close and it's like, wow, there's a lot of security here. you. can't get in there. So, it's code named. Titan Point, which we learned from the Edward Snowden. documents. And it turned out that this is one of. the facilities, one of one of several, but this is a big one that was capturing. all of our. phone calls. You know, they talk about, well, it's just metadata, but that's. metadata is enough because metadata.

includes who you're calling, what time, where they are, your location. So you. could be totally tracked and it helps. them create that network which the. Patriot Act allows where if you're a. person of interest, anyone you. communicate with is automatically a. person of interest and it just is a. geometric progression. So when I was doing that episode, I was. really just wanted to cover the weird. building and you know what NSA was doing. there capturing the records.

and I just started to get emotional. because. whenever I can I just play James Clapper. lying to Congress, you know, whenever I. can when um when he's asked, "So can you. confirm that we're not that NSA is not. capturing millions or hundreds of. millions of Americans records?" And he. says, "No, sure." Or, "No, sir. We're. not, you know, intentionally." Or. something like that. And then later he. says, "Well, I told the most truthful, you know, least truthful, whatever it.

was." And then eventually had to. apologize. because the Snowden documents revealed. they were capturing everything. So it's. not just metadata. They were doing whole. capture of phone calls, all kinds of. stuff. NSA was embedded inside of Google. and Yahoo and Microsoft. so that everything on like your Google. Drive was accessible. If you look at the. PowerPoint, the engineers are so. excited. They have like emojis and. smiley faces like we got it. We, you.

know, we finally got into Google. So that's that was probably the first. episode that got me really. thinking, okay, every so often I'm going. to do a government corruption, government transparency episode. try to. make it fun, but but the point is, you. know, do not trust them. They are. constantly lying to us. And um and there's no regard to the. Constitution at all. Now, the Patriot. Act for for me, it's kind of weird. because I'm a New Yorker. I was there.

for 911. and it's very emotional for New Yorkers. that were there still still very. emotional. Um, you know, I had I had a. friend who was who was a fireman there. as part of cleanup and he was just he. was a broken man after that. Just. completely broken. And uh my brother had friends in in one. of the towers that came down. So So it's it's close to us. So I. remember I was all in with whatever we. got to do to get these guys.

>> patri let's do it. We we kind of expanded the government's. powers a lot there and it seemed like it. happened pretty quickly. So you've got. 9/11 and the Patriot Act is signed I. think like Octo October 16th or 20 like. it was like four six weeks that they got. this giant bill together. So either they. had some really smart lawyers or this. was kind of hanging around like and here. was an opportunity to do it. Mhm. >> And that leads into the 9/11 conspiracy,

which kind of makes sense, which I don't. go into on my show. Um, >> why don't you go into that? because it's. it's a taboo topic and it's it's. emotionally charged and the bad guys. are, you know, the bad guys are the. government and we. if we learn that that 9/11 really was an. inside job. I don't know how that doesn't really. challenge your patriotism. Now, I.

consider myself a patriot. I love my. country. I just I don't like the people. that run it. Um, I like the Constitution and the Bill of. Rights. I really like those. And I'm. very libertarian, borderline anarchist. in a in a political sense. Not like. craziness, meaning like I I don't think. we need much government for anything. Keep us safe abroad, domestically, keep it local. That's kind. of how I feel. I think the federal. government's way too involved in our.

lives in every different level. >> I'm with you. But the Patriot Act. violates the First Amendment in a few. different ways. You know, free speech is. gone. So if you if you if you say. anything that's. considered dangerous or explosive, suddenly you're on a list. And then. you can be gag ordered. So that's prior. restraint. You can't do that. Then. you've got the Fourth Amendment. violations where illegal search and.

seizure. can't search through Americans. without probable cause. You just can't. But the Patriot Act says you no longer. need probable cause. You just need to be. relevant. So if you're relevant to an. investigation, then we don't need a. warrant. We can just look into your. files. And and this gets renewed time. and time again. So it's not a left, right, Democrat, Republican. They just. keep these are sunset clauses that keep. keep getting resigned. I forget the. numbers offhand, but 215 is certainly. one of them.

And the Patriot Act is mostly used for. finding drug dealers. It's not really. used for terrorism. It never never. really was. We don't really know if it. ever stopped anything. And then, you know, the IC and the. government will say, "Well, you don't. you don't know cuz we can't tell you, but we we stopped this or that." Well, but did you though? At some point, you. have to tell us if it worked because we. need to decide if we still want to do. this because you're encroaching on a. First Amendment right. our fourth, our.

fifth amendment due pro due process. habius corpus. And I thought this was just supposed to. be for like foreign agents, but now if. an American is on the phone with someone. who's a for who's a foreign national, now this American is wrapped up in the. Patriot Act when what should happen is. as soon as as soon as who's ever. surveile foreigners all you want. I. don't care. >> Leave my leave my citizens alone. So as. soon as you find out, well, all right,

this person of interest is on the phone. with an American, well then then it. stops. Now we have to bring this out of. the Patriot Act and put it into our. legal system and have a judge look at it. and all of that. Not a FISA court rubber. stamp where FISA is like 99.97%. just get yes, go whatever you got to do. That's that's another violation of. separation of powers. You have no. oversight. It just seems like.

doesn't seem like it's what it is. You. know, it's interesting too because if. they were doing that. with all the just one aspect and you. know all the mass shootings that are. happening, if they were really. surveilling everybody, don't you think those people maybe have. had some type of communication or or I. mean it's it's it's been proven, right? There's been things on Facebook. There's. been things on Instagram that. >> if they're on there, they're definitely.

in text messagings and voice calls and. all of that stuff. Unless they want that. stuff to happen. Maybe they do. Maybe. Maybe. Who knows? Maybe they use it. against the Second Amendment. Well, let's rather than even speculate, let's. look at an actual case where. at some point, I don't remember when, during the Biden administration, remember you had all these parents that. were that were protesting about whatever. trans issues or whatever they were. I'm.

not interested in that. Uh, believe what. you want to believe on that issue. That's none of my business. What I care. about is. the administration worked with a group. to write a letter to the president to. designate these Americans as potential. domestic terrorists and use the Patriot. Act to surveil them and gather records. on them and look into them. That's we. can't have that. I I don't know why. there was an outrage over that. is these. are Americans from from the jump. So the. Patriot Act shouldn't apply, but it does.

and no one really challenges it. I I. don't think anyone even really talks. about this that much. >> I've never heard about it. Um, you know, it all goes back to Snowden. because they lied and lied and lied and. then the Snowden documents were, it was. just such a bombshell with not only are. they collecting all this stuff. I mean. all of us all you know all every single. one of us but they were in our files. they can read our email they can you. know our search history everything about.

us. where. if you you know if if I'm charged with. something and you use the Patriot Act. against me my first thing would be like. well it's all inadmissible I'm an. American citizen I have I have fourth. amendment right you didn't have probable. cause let me see the warrant let me see. the affidavit what judge did you use the. FISA judge. Well, with the fi the FISA reviews are. done in complete secrecy. There's no. transparency. No one can you can't sit. in on those, you know, you can't sit. wander into the courtroom like you can.

in most towns here and just watch. proceedings. It's all secret. It's just. you've got Richard Nixon who turns the. intelligence community foreign and. domestic against his political enemies. That's bad. So then we review that. Then. you have the church committee and out of. that you've get uh the foreign. intelligence surveillance act of 1978 is. FISA. >> What was the church committee? >> That was reviewing all what like CIA and.

FBI was doing. All the bad stuff kind of. came to light during the church. committee and that made uh Congress. realize oh there's they're using um FBI. and to actually go after political. enemies. We can't have that. So we'll. have FISA which will review these but. then FISA starts to get abused and then. when the Patriot Act comes along in 2001. it supercharges FISA and now everything. is just rubber stamped. and we don't know really what they're.

doing with it. We just know they renew. it and um whether it's Trump or Biden or. Obama, this that sign with the pen and. there's applause and America's going to. be safe. And I don't know if there's any. evidence of that. You know, out of that. time we got the TSA. the I I think the TSA is just is just in. the way. I think in 2015 they sent um. they were called red teams to test the. TSA see like secret shop them and they. did they created mock weapons and mock.

explosives. Take a guess of what percentage got. through. >> Oh man. >> 95. >> Are you serious? >> 95% got through. So then they tried it. again in 2017. >> 95% of the guns got through. >> Guns, bombs, all of it, >> you know. So we have a shoe bomber that. is ridiculous. So now we all taking off. our shoes. Then we have someone who's. going to make a bomb with liquid that's. not going to work. But now we can't. bring, you know, shampoo. So I've got my. wife emptying her purse because the.

shampoo is over the ounces. Are you. crazy? And you know, you're basically. assaulting a grandma. Is that that's. really who we're worried about? We're you know, I I'm small government. libertarian. I say get rid of all of. that and let the airlines handle their. own security. they do it more. efficiently. and if the airline's not doing it well, no one will fly on it and they'll go. away and then you wouldn't have to wait. on these lines with this ineffective. agency. Now, after the the red teams.

filed their report, TSA kind of. tried to do a better job and then they. were tested again two years later and I. think 60% got through. It was the. majority. >> Wow. >> So, it's ineffective. >> TSA's never stopped a terrorist. Never. once. There's zero times terrorism is. stopped locally by local law enforcement. and with federal intervention long. before they get to the airport. That's. that's where it happens. People can say I'm wrong, but the data.

is the data. If if they were stopping. terrorists all the time, then great and. let's keep doing it. But if if it's just. a bloated bureaucracy that's that's. making us miserable, I hate going to the. airport because of this. Mhm. >> It's the worst part of it is doing it. and it's so ineffectual. So I don't know why it's still there. I. don't know why we had to create the. Department of Homeland Security and take. 22 agencies and lump them together with. all this overlap and now you've got I. mean still this is 25 years. There's.

still turf wars and it's my. jurisdiction. No, it's mine. It's my. collar. No, it's mine. Why did I don't. know why we needed to create another. bureaucracy that's a hundred billion. dollars a year. just got a quarter. million employees. We had the FBI, we. had we had immigration, we had we we had. the border patrol, we had all the. agencies already. Now, you put them. under a cabinet position and there's all. this it's all this overlap and I don't. think it's necessary not efficient and I. don't think it's keeping us safer. Now,

I could be wrong. I don't know. Uh I. want us to take the right steps to keep. us safe. I, like I said, I want people. in law enforcement and the military to. have the best tools to to do whatever. needs to be done, to be absolutely. vicious with our enemies, but. Americans are not really the enemies. And there needs to be some oversight and. transparency because we don't know what. what any of these agencies are doing. And we see just recently that the FBI.

was used for political purposes again. So I brought up a couple of cases where. it was Democrats using it, but remember. this all comes out of Nixon and. Republicans using it. And would. President Trump use these agencies to. help him? Well, he's doing it now. Maybe. it's justified, maybe it's not. >> How's he doing it now? I I think with. him it's a lot of getting even because. they because they you know they they. really what they did to him was just so.

unprecedented with a former president to. all all charge him with what 97 felonies. to try and take him off the ballot in 25. states. I mean this that to try to ruin. him financially. and personally and go through his wife's. underwear and uh you know drag him. through the courts in Georgia and try to. make him go broke. >> Mhm. >> So anybody is going to if you get back. in power if it was me it'd be the same.

thing. Well I'm going to do everything. legally but now what comes around goes. around. And that's not really the way it. should be. these agencies should be. completely agnostic like no sir we can't. do that that's we're not going after the. former president and no President Trump. we're not going after these people we. don't do that we we follow crimes let's. have them do that. >> you know what's interesting is the. Patriot Act I mean it was set in place. for terrorism correct and so you know we.

were talking about off camera about you. know the Taliban funding and all this. stuff and I I have a lot of contacts you. know, that that are. former agency types, former intel types. And one in particular, Sarah Adams, um, one of the best. targeters to ever come out of CIA, and. she has broken on the show several times. that there are a minimum of a thousand.

terrorist cells within our country and. you know how they communicate. So we. have the Patriot Act, right? It's all. basically techbased. >> Mhm. >> People think that these terrorists are. dumb because they live in cave, you. know, they live in caves, they live in. mud huts, they wear, you know, sandals. It's very very. it's almost like prehistoric time period. when you go there. So they have completely.

they don't communicate through tech at. all anymore. And so what she says and. other. intelligence professionals have said is. that within these terrorist cells, the. only way that they communicate with. their HQ, which is in Afghanistan, is. through corers. So there's no texts, there's no emails, there's no voice. calls, none of them know where each. other are at. So even even if you were. able to find out where one of the cells.

are at, you could not interrogate them. to find out where the other cells are. They're all completely independent of. each other and. >> they only use corers, which means they. fly a guy in, they brief them, they. debrief, the information goes back to HQ. and Afghanistan. So it would be. impossible. to break down the entire network. I can't think of I don't even know where.

you would start. >> I don't know how you would either. I. mean it wasn't that how Osama bin was. finally found was through his couriers, right? It wasn't through intercepting. any intelligence through wires. It was. it was through a human dog was following. this guy around. He's going to this to. this palace. So I I think all all you're doing there. is you're forcing them to learn trade. craft and just get better at. tradecraftraft because they can do that. >> They pivot.

>> Mhm. >> What is the Patriot Act turning into? >> I I just I think it's just turned into a. a political tool at this point. you. know, the going after the parents was. was really a a really a big red flag. because the Patriot Act was specifically. in that letter like you should use the. Patriot Act to go after these people. And I didn't think any of those parents. looked like political or domestic. terrorists to me. >> Mhm. >> Um.

maybe that's my bias, but. >> what parents? There was a lot of parents. protesting during during the the trans. controversy and in the protest schools. >> and. part of the administration at that time. wanted to label them domestic terrorists. and put them under surveillance. >> and then once they become um. no relevant is the word in the act once. they become relevant to an investigation. then you don't have to then the bill of.

rights is gone then they can just go. into your bank account, see what's going. on there, your businesses, all of that, and just and just compile a file on you. You know, it's like I that old Soviet. saying like, "Well, show me the man and. I'll show you the crime.". And that's just not how it's supposed to. be done that. And I don't think it makes. us safer. It. But again, there's I'm kind of. blackpilled on it because once you have. that power, you don't want to give it. up. If I was in charge, I wouldn't want. to give it up either.

I would I would I would hope that if I. was out in that position, I would do the. right thing. But I don't know, you know, I'm I'm as flawed as anybody else. But when you know, when when Clapper is. caught, I don't know when you left. See, did you was Brennan did you leave before. Brennan? >> 2015. >> Brendan was 2015. I think we might see I think we might. see some indictments for some of these. people. And for everyone screaming left. and right, look, there these are people.

on both sides that are that are going to. get caught up in this. Uh but I think. we're going to see some indictments. >> Why do you think that? >> Because they did it. You know, they did. it. Um you know, the the Russia collusia. thing. They did it. The steel dossier. They did it. They did it. They did it. So So Clapper lies to Congress and and. we find out he's violating all of our. rights. is, you know, I think he was DNI. at the time. And instead of going to prison, he.

becomes a contributor on CNN or MSNBC. I. don't know why he didn't go to prison. I. don't know why these I don't know why. none of these people go to face any. ramifications at all. How about just a. just a misdemeanor? Just just show me. that we don't live in a two-tiered, three- tiered system where it seems like. if I did any of this stuff, I'd go to. jail forever. >> They can't show you. But if you're in. the swamp, >> you live in that. >> Mhm. So I can't.

>> I have no solutions. All I have is. complaints. >> Man, what do you think they do with all the. information? >> Most of it I don't think they do. anything with. But. you know, if it turns up that. like, do you think that you're. of interest to someone somewhere, right? >> I know I am. Of course. >> So. >> so bad. >> Everything you do is collected.

>> Mhm. >> Right. There's probably there's probably. two or three collections officers that. are just dedicated to what you do. Why? Why? >> Because, man, this sounds weird to say and these. are not my words, but because we have an. impact on the consciousness of the US. >> That's not that that's dangerous. They. do not want they want to control the. impact. >> They can't have independent voices. controlling the conversation.

>> They've got a lot of them now. >> You know, I I hope that we're past that. point of inflection where the. independent voices are more powerful. I. think they are. I think I I think they. are. >> They definitely are. >> I get more views on a video than all. cable news channels combined. So do you. the number of views that you get is is. all of cable combined. No one's there's. there's no power there anymore and they. don't like that.

But um it's not like we rested it away. It's people just started talking and. Americans just want to listen to. different voices. >> Mhm. >> And I think we need more of that on. every part of the political spectrum. Yeah, I I think the media is over. >> I do too. I think it will die with the. baby boomer generation. >> Yep. >> I think it's done. And I see certain.

people that I think are injected into. the the YouTube podcast stratosphere. that. they try to. create narratives, but it's tricky. You. know, you could have somebody in here, and I think I've had one or two, not. realizing it until afterwards. But,

you know, how it works is. wait a second. You feel like people have. come in here to try to push a narrative? >> Yeah. >> Did you Did you sniff it out? >> Yeah. >> Like while it was happening, you were. like, "Wait a minute." There's been I've. had interviews that I never released. Um. >> I didn't know that. >> Yeah. One of I've had a couple. Not very. many. But um you know, when I was asking. you about do you feel that you take on a. tremendous responsibility? I I feel that.

I have a great responsibility. when I'm diving into. corruption, exposing something, exposing evil, whatever it may be. I I you know, you. have to [ __ ] be careful with that. because you people base decisions off. what is said in here. And I remember one. specific example, I had a guy come on. and he was talking about a lot of CO.

stuff. I told you at breakfast, I don't. like diving into CO because. everybody was talking about it. I don't. really have anything new to bring to the. table, right? you know, and there's a. couple um there's January 6 is another. one. I don't really feel there's so many. people on that that I don't feel that I. I I I don't bring anything to the table. that hasn't already been said. Also, I. mean, with that specific event, J6, I.

mean, I think everybody was wrong. >> Yep. >> I mean, if you thought it was a great. idea, >> it was not a great idea. >> to storm the [ __ ] capital. Um, I I. don't even know, you know what I mean? I. don't even know where to begin. Like, not a good idea. >> And on the other side, you know, when. when. he asked, you know, for for National. Guard and was denied, I mean, that. >> no one talks about that. >> Yep. That was there there's a whole note. that that's wrong, you know, and so I.

don't I don't think there's any good. that came from either side on that. I. think that entire. event was uh was a black eye on on. America. But. and now I forgot where I was going with. this cuz we don't. >> we're talking about people coming in. here with an agenda. >> And so how it works, I mean you could. have somebody sit in here for eight.

hours, four hours, five, whatever. They may only have one specific sentence. in that five-hour interview that they. want this person to say, and it's going. to be a banger. And the other thing that could happen is. they will. they will. predict information that's going to come.

out in days, weeks, in a month, and a. couple months. And they'll make these. predictions about what's going to. happen, who did what, you know, whatever. And they already know. It's not a. prediction. It's a it's or maybe it. didn't happen, but that's what's going. to play out in mainstream media. And. these people will come in and they will. make these predictions. And some of these guys and girls will. go,

they do the circuit. They go on every. podcast, right? They go on all the. podcasts. and they'll text you like, "Oh, I said. this on your podcast. I said this was. going to happen. We should do this. again." And it's like. >> you've must have been on 20 [ __ ]. podcasts in the past month and you. remember. exactly what you said on my podcast. I. don't remember what the hell I said. yesterday, but you're here to remind me.

that you predicted this on my [ __ ]. show and now you want to come on again. and then another one and then another. one and it's like I see what's happening. here. You can't give an example, right? >> What's that? >> You can't give an example. >> I don't want to I don't want to drop. names because I can't be certain just. like you were doing earlier. >> Not a name, an idea. >> Yeah. I don't I mean that would give it. away. >> Fair enough. >> So, so I don't because if that person.

didn't do that, then I destroying you. know what I mean? and that and so I I I. really try to only talk about things. if I'm going to articulate it, I want it. to be true, you know, to the best of my. knowledge and I don't this is this is. this is an inclination. This is a. feeling this that knowing how things. work. I've. contracted for intelligence agencies at. a very low level, but you know, it.

wasn't like the you don't get access to. everything and be like, "Oh, I got a TS. clearance now, so I can just dive into. whatever I want." No, there that's not. how it works. And so this the stuff that. I knew was very um it was very localized. to exactly what I was a part of overseas. in Afghanistan, Iraq, those Middle East. type stuff. But when I when but I'm. quick and I see how it works and I've. seen how it works in other countries.

And so when I start picking up on it, I'm like, "No, no, you're not coming. back on. >> No way.". Too many predictions came true. There's. no way you could have known that. And. there's no way out of the 20 podcasts. you just did in the past month that you. remember exactly what the [ __ ] you. talked about on my show. This is. this smells weird. So, not doing it. again. And you know what the and and.

so that's kind of that's the point. That's the point. It doesn't it doesn't. mean the whole duration of of the. interview is the message that's trying. to be sent. It could be one sentence or. it could just be let's establish this. guy's credibility so that all the. podcasts want the breaking news, right? And so I'm in I mean I'm slow but I'm in. tune, you know, and and I kind of.

I know how things work to a certain. extent. Not very much, but I can pick up. on things. And um and the other thing. that people are really good at is. manipulating information. Politicians are amazing at it. You know, statistics only go so far. There's all. kinds of sets of statistics that may be. true, but there's nuance behind it. And. so with the CO thing. was interviewing this guy and he kept. telling saying, "Hey, CO was developed.

in a lab, University of North Carolina. It was. patented before CO ever came out." And. it was this long interview all about. COVID COVID, the vaccine, da da da da. da. And I was I took the vaccine. I. didn't want to take the vaccine, but my. my son was being born right at that time. period. And I was I was like, "Well, I've done a lot of drugs in my life. >> How bad could this be?". >> And and if those didn't kill me and I've.

seen a lot of combat and I've done a lot. of dangerous [ __ ] right? And if none of. that killed me, then this stupid little. vaccine isn't going to kill me either. And it hasn't. And I don't have any. heart problems. At least not yet. I. don't have any of the weird, you know, I. I don't have any of this the the the. whatever. So, anyways, this guy was going on about. the COVID vaccine, how it was developed, University of North Carolina had a play. in it, and that it was patented precoid.

But every time he would say the he it. was co 19 coid9 coid9. when he would say. the vaccine was patented, he would say. the SARS vaccine. >> was patented pre-COVID. Well, you know, if you look, there's like. a hundred strands of CO. >> Yep. >> That have been around for a long long. time. >> Corona virus is is a a lot of things. >> Yep. And so when he kept saying SARS and.

I didn't pick up on it right off the. bat, it wasn't until after the interview. and I started I called uh you know. Darren in there and I was like we can't. release it. And he's like this is so. good. This is so good. It's so corrupt. And I'm like he kept saying the SARS. vaccine. Why didn't he say the COVID 19. vaccine? Because he's not technically. lying, >> right? I'm sure there were a lot of SARS. vaccines that were patented precoid, but. he never did say that the COVID 19.

vaccine was patented precoid. He would. switch it to SARS. >> It's very. >> So, I wouldn't release it because, you. know, while while I am. I'm not antivax, I don't like the co. vac. Took it cuz I wanted to see my son. born and I was worried that the hospital. was going to come out with some, you. know what I mean? some weird. rule that you had to show your vaccine. card or something and and the doctor was.

pushing it too. But. >> but um so I took it and cuz I I I was. like I'm not missing that for anything. I don't care. But. when you put something like that out, then people start to make they use that. in their their decision- making process. And I don't want to be the guy that's. that's that's putting out false. information or platforming somebody. that's putting out that kind of. information that's going to dictate how.

somebody makes a decision on whether. they're going to get the vaccine or not. I mean, it is what it is. It wasn't the numbers. that were reported, you know, but people. were dying from it. Y. >> and I don't want somebody to die because. they didn't take. something that may have probably not. I. mean, I got CO right after I took the. [ __ ] vaccine. >> They couldn't even figure out how to. test for it. It's like, well, let's take. another one. Well, this one's. >> non therapeutic,

>> but but I wouldn't put it out because I. didn't I was like, I can't have people. making decisions off something that I'm. not certain about. I mean, we talk, you. know, we talk about aliens, we talk. about conspiracies, but that's fun [ __ ]. to think about. Doesn't really matter, you know, okay, so if it is true, it's. not going to affect your decision-m. process throughout the day. You're not. going to make life-changing decisions. based off of whether there was aliens or. there isn't aliens or they remote viewed. alien bases in [ __ ] Alaskan mountains.

or if there's aliens on the moon. Like, cool. If they're there, they're there. And if they're not, they're not. doesn't. really like it might affect me, but. there's no decision that I can make. that's going to change the outcome of. that, >> right? >> And so I'm very particular about if I if. I talk about a subject like that, I'm. very particular on. on who I get and what's being put out. And. there's been others. I did one on the. World Economic Forum that I was like.

this and he the guy couldn't even tell. me what the the uh World Economic Forum. was. I'm like, "Yeah, but what is it?". He's like, "Well, the Google Chrome sign. is a 666." And I'm like, "Okay, that's another subject. What is the. World Economic Forum? Is it a business? Is it What is it? What kind of entity is. it? Do you know?" Well, this did. If you. look at the Bible, it says this. And I'm. like, don't be don't be out here quoting.

scripture in the middle of this. interview. I'm asking about the World. Economic Forum. >> Was he a part of it? Was he a member of. >> No, no, no. He was he was. in a group that. a lot of wild things came out of. And. I'll tell you I'll tell you more about. it after the interview, but but I I just. I cut it. I was like, "This is. bullshit." like you're just trying to. [ __ ] get notoriety and fame and. whatever the hell you're pushing. I. don't know what it is, but it doesn't.

even make any damn sense. So, let's just. cut this right now. Get the [ __ ] out of. here. >> But, >> you know, so I mean, the disinformation. agents are everywhere and and and also I. mean, I don't I think a lot of people. don't even realize that they are. disinformation agents. It just, you. know, they get they get fed some. [ __ ] from the government and then. they start talking about it and they. wrap their whole identity around it and. it becomes their the it becomes their. identity. >> Well, I mean, we have operation mockingb. bird that's that really happened where.

you've got 400 people in news in major. news networks that are just mouthpieces. for intelligence and you had journalists. that are actually operatives. Their cover was just I'm a journalist. Mhm. >> You had journalists introducing. politicians overseas and you had you had. journalists that were essentially bagmen. for for the agency o overseas where they. would say you can use my hotel room for. that meeting. >> So that's not a 100 years ago. That's 30.

years ago. And. I don't think it ever really ended. I. think that's why this is a this platform. is a problem because you can have that. interview, you can smell something that. smells funny and you can say Darren, let's cut it. But MSNBC doesn't do that. They just they read it. >> and it's just out there. So, and you see. all the media say the same thing. Fox. the same. They all say the same stuff. There's no one saying, "You know what? That didn't feel right. Let's cut it.". But you can do that here.

>> That's that's a problem. >> We don't cut much. The only time I'll. cut something is, you know, we get a lot. of military guys that were on. high-profile missions and stuff like. that. And sometimes it's it's in the. moment. It could be hard to know like, "Is this still classified? Should I be. talking about this? Am I giving up. tactics?" And so sometimes guys will. call in and they'll be like, "Hey, can. we just cut like that one sliver? I said. somebody's name, that person is still in. or you know what I mean, and I don't.

want to blow their cover." Stuff like. that. And I did it with the Sam Shoemade. interview where we talked about the. Tesla bomber at uh Trump Hotel in Vegas. You know, we had actually um that guy. was on a mission where in Afghanistan. the um the uh the bomber, he was a Green. Beret. He was on a mission where they. blew up a bunch of uh a big poppy farm. and killed a lot of people, a lot of. innocent people. and and and.

was it the UN or NATO did an. investigation on it. I was like, "Is. this [ __ ] real?" So, we looked it up and. sure as [ __ ] there was an UN or a NATO. report, I can't remember, on it. And it. did actually happen. And one of the DEA. operatives reached out to me and was. like, "I was on that. My name was in. that email. Could you please black it. out because I'm still undercover and I'm. doing different stuff and if that comes. out then I'm screwed.". >> Mhm. And I was like, "Yep, we'll black. the name out." Like, I'm not I'm not.

going to I'm not going to compromise. US intel guys or DEA or military that. are that are still active because I. mean, they're doing. >> they don't have an agenda. They're just. doing a job. But so I'll take stuff like that out, but I don't I won't take And then we we. just had somebody actually that that um. had somewhat of a relationship with. Epstein and they wanted that pulled out. and I was like that's like the whole. interview. I can't pull that.

>> You said no. >> I said it's in there or we're not. kicking it out the door. >> Okay. Well, you gave them the option. >> Yeah. And uh they were like, "Okay, okay. put it out. And it was like. >> I have to look look at look at that one. I have to watch that one. >> It's not out. >> Oh, >> they said put it. They're like okay. fine. Put it out. And then they're like. no just take this. And I was like just. [ __ ] that. We're not dealing with this. [ __ ] Like you come in here, you know. what this is. Be ready to do it or don't.

come. And um and so but that's that's. kind of how I deal with it. But that's. that's how it works, man. That's how it. works. It could be one sentence in a. several hour long interview and that's. the snippet. That's what they want to. inject into the consciousness of the. people. >> Do you think that changes from. administration to administration or do. you think it's. operating I don't want to say shadow. government but it seems like that goes. on no matter who's in the White House.

>> Yeah. I don't I don't I don't think any. of these people are good. I don't think they are good people at. their core. And I think this just. continues to happen. The agenda's. change, but the tactics don't. >> You think they think they're good? >> I think that they fall into traps. and they don't see a way out. and then they just get sucked in. >> I can I can see that. I can understand.

that. >> I think some of them maybe start out. I. think there are good ones in there. The. only politicians that I really trust is. Eli Crane out of Arizona and Tim. Burchett out of Knoxville, Tennessee. Those are the only ones that. I 99.9%. think are good human beings and. cannot be swayed. >> And those two have been stonewalled by.

intelligence. >> Yep. Yep. I even when I got approached about. running, you know, I I called a couple. of people, two of both of those guys I. called and I was like, I want to have an. impact. I've been approached about running. What do you think? And they were like, don't do it. And Eli, for an example, he's like, I can't get. on any of these [ __ ] committees. He's. like, they won't put me on any of these. committees because I won't play ball,

>> right? and he goes, "If you can't get. into the committees, you're just a beat suit in a chair. You. have no impact." And and they and on top. of that, they said, "What you're doing. now has way more impact than you ever. could have if you were. >> to get into office.". >> So, I decided I'm not doing it. And then. diving into it more, I do. I think. that's how they're controlled. being, you know, going like at the beginning. when we were talking about the.

entertainment industry, which I hate, you know, it's it's you start to see. like they want you to talk about this. subject, they want you to talk about. that subject, they don't want you to. talk to this person. And it's like your. job is to [ __ ] give me business, not. talk about who I talk to or what I talk. about. Go get business. Don't [ __ ] interfere with my show. >> Mhm. And and so you I got rid of all of.

them. And I start to see it again, you. know, like I said with with politicians, you know, you come in here. I think we. share, you know, the at the beginning. some of the ones that I brought on I and. a lot of these people weren't even they. weren't even on the radar to get picked. up at the administration, you know. So I. did I didn't know. I didn't. even know their aspirations. I they were. just good guests to get but you know now. that I've created this network within.

politics. it's. they try to manipulate me. >> of course. >> and it's it can be hard to get a phone. call from somebody very powerful that. wants you to do something and I just. ghost them now. In fact, I'm getting. ready I I had told you I get so paranoid. about it that I it sent me down this. rabbit. I had to find the black phone. that can't be traced. I found it, >> you know, and but it's going to be a big.

step to be untraceable. A really big step to be untraceable. Yeah. >> If you don't have a phone number, that's. that's how you do it. >> But if you don't have a phone number, I. think the Patriot Act would find you. relevant for investigation. >> Well, I'm going to try it. So, but um. and then you know we're developing u the. phone's very expensive and it's and so. anyways we're developing an app that's. more consumer friendly that doesn't have. all the features that the phone has but.

it's enough and um to make you. invisible. >> I would like to learn more about that at. some point. >> I'll tell you about it offline. We It's. I can't go too far into it quite yet. They don't want that app coming out, >> but but it's happening. We're doing it. And um and but but yeah, I think what. happens is that they they fall into. these traps, not realizing they're a. trap. That's where I was going in the. entertainment industry. There's also.

traps. There's these favors. I did this. for you. You didn't do that. You didn't. do [ __ ] for me. I could have connected. with that person on my own, right? >> I didn't [ __ ] need you. >> Go get business. And but it becomes this. favor brokering thing. And what I see, you know, and this is very recent, is I. see how minuscule the favors are. And. it's like, this person helped me do. this, so you shouldn't talk to this. person about this. And it's like,

that person was just doing their [ __ ]. job, man. That's not a favor. That's their job, >> is to get your ass in there. That's not a favor. And so if the favors. start at that minuscule of a of a level, then what happens when the big favors. start coming up like Epstein protecting. your friends, you know, [ __ ] like all. the corruption that we see happening and.

and I think they get so wrapped up in. these favors and they get trapped and. then it gets more evil and more evil and. more evil and they don't say a way out. and they get addicted to power, really. addicted to power And they are. controlled through favors, blackmail, [ __ ] like that. >> Don't do favors. I never ask favors. Teasing Jeremy about it, offering all. kinds of great stuff, contacts, whatever. I said, I don't ask favors. because when I do, I really need it.

>> But I don't ask favors. >> That and those favors. Yeah. I don't ask. for favors either. >> But when you do, it's like, oh, he. really needs a hand here. Yep. >> Have you seen um guests who you had on. on other shows that you released and. realized you got burned? >> How so? What do you mean? >> Meaning like you let an episode go out. and then this person shows up on another. show or two and you're like, "Ah, god. damn it. They got me.".

>> What do you mean they got me? >> That they got that one line out? >> No. >> Okay. >> Well, I don't really watch any other. shows. >> Okay. So, I like I said, I get all of my. information through this. Not all of it, but the major I I I scroll enough to get. interest in certain subjects. You're I'm. not [ __ ] around. You're the only You. are the only you the Y files is the only. YouTube channel that I watch on a. consistent basis,

but I I don't do it. And also, I don't. want to take somebody else's creativity, you know, because when you start to. watch all this other stuff, it's like, oh, I should be doing that. I don't want. that. I want everything here to be. organically generated, the set, everything, you know, and and it's my. creation. It's what me and my team have. come up with, not we need to be more. like this guy or we need to be more like. this guy. So now I haven't seen I.

haven't seen a oneliner, you know, that. and it would be impossible to pick out. cuz a lot of times they're talking about. the same [ __ ] But. but um so no, it's just it's just. it's just a thought that'll that'll hit. me like a bolt of lightning all of a. sudden and it's like. that was a mistake. >> Yeah. But you couldn't have known. You. couldn't have known it was a mistake at.

the time. >> Especially if they're really good at it. >> It's in retrospect that you see it. >> It's a very strange position that that. you're in. I don't envy it. >> It's tough. >> It's a lot of stress and anxiety. >> I I bet you know, just with the things I. do is is stress enough, but this is. serious what you do here. I'm just an. entertainer. At least that's you know, I. just talk to a fish is my line. >> Yeah. Well, you're kicking a lot of. rocks over. >> That can be dangerous.

>> A lot of centipedes under there. >> Yep. >> I try not to I name names if I don't. have to. You know, I I mention Clapper. because that infuriates me, but um I try. not to criticize anyone who's like. around. I'm not looking to make enemies. I'm not looking to embarrass anybody or. out anybody. >> Mhm. Um, you know, when I talk about the. the conspiracies and the alien stuff, the only names I really name are like. the guys who say they were in the. Marines and they did this thing like. Stolen Valor is I'm I'm wired to not.

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condition. These statements and. information are not a substitute for, or. alternative to seeking care from your. health care providers. Yeah, we've had a couple of Stolen Valor. guys on. In fact, one of them, the Army, is investigating. that person on Stolen Valor. And uh if. it comes out, I'm I'm waiting for the. official investigation to run, but if it. comes out, then I'll. I'll. have to make some kind of a statement or.

something. But. >> cuz you released that episode. >> Yeah. Yeah. But that person's been around for. a long time. I got a lot of flack a um. afterwards this person came on and then. all these other people started diving. into his background. and it's caused a lot of it's been a. huge pain in my ass. But I I can't I. mean I can't verify you know somebody's. service account.

>> No, >> that would take months maybe years to to. track everybody down that was there. And. I mean it makes me sick that somebody. would do that. But you know my argument. I got approached by somebody. My. argument was well you know I see you. coming at me and you're [ __ ] blaming. me for platforming this person. How. would I have known that? And. you know but so it's great you want to. hold me accountable. Why don't you hold.

the [ __ ] US Army accountable? Right? That would be the right thing to do. because I'm just a podcaster. The this. person is still in. And. so don't you think that the US Army. should be held accountable for sending a. guy out and spreading [ __ ] [ __ ]. stolen valor lies? >> I never thought of that. Maybe you. should [ __ ] think about that. >> He was sent out by the army. >> He wasn't sent out by the army, but he's.

still in. Yeah, it's. but they took that, you know, suggestion. that I did and they got in touch with. whoever at the army and now the army has. actually opened an investigation on this. person. >> Well, good. So yeah, but. >> I I people think maybe we and certainly. you should be doing more background than. we do. And it's like um cuz I get things. wrong all the time. And I just try to be.

as honest as possible. Like I'm not an. expert on any of this. No, I didn't look. into this person's background since the. beginning. So yeah, that whole thing was. [ __ ] You know, I'm sorry. I'm just. trying to trying to entertain. >> Yeah. You can't track down all of these. people and their entire background would. just never get anything done. >> Yeah, exactly. And back to my previous. point, you know, whether it's stolen. valor or not, and it very likely is, I. mean,

that's not affecting somebody's. decision-m. >> No. So, it's a, you know, fictional. novel that you're listening to instead. of, you know, actual events that happen. But now, it does really [ __ ] piss me. off because if he did that, that takes. away from every other, you know, heroic icon that sat across from me in. that chair. And that's disgusting. But, you know, but did it affect somebody's. decision-m throughout the day? No, it.

didn't. And I don't think your audience. think your audience forgives you. They. understand. >> Mhm. >> I would I would guess. >> Mhm. >> I Mine does for the most part. The good. ones. >> Yeah. Me too. Me too. >> If I get something wrong, I just say it. >> The loudest [ __ ] in the room's. always the biggest [ __ ] bag. >> That's right. >> So, it's just the the problem is I tend to. gravitate toward the negativity bias. You know, I'll ignore 99 compliments and.

then the one guy who screaming at me for. the thing I got wrong and the stupid. thing I said, that's what I focus on. It. ruins my day. It's like I this guy's. name is like Joe below 69. What do I. even care? Yeah, >> but I can't help it. >> It's probably a bot anyways. >> Probably a bot, >> but let's let's let's dive into the. Giants. >> Okay, good. We'll lighten it up. Patriot. You see, I get all I get all ky. with Patriot Act, but Giants, it'll be. fine. Giants are fun. And where do you want to. start? The beginning.

>> Yeah. >> Giants are in every culture's history. Every culture's got giants mentioned. Um, ancient Indian vet, Native. Americans, um, island of Malta, East Asian, every culture has given, epic of Gilgamesh. So, giants show up. all through our culture. And whenever I. see that, you know, a lot of what I do. is just pattern recognition.

Like I wasn't even really um a flood. myth guy until I started doing my show. And it's like this flood story keeps. showing up over and over. No matter what. I'm talking about, the flood myth shows. up and it's always showing up at the. same time as like the end of the younger. dryest. Like these things, it's just the. same pattern over and over. Maybe it's a. coincidence, but. if if one culture has a story about a. flood, then they have a story. If two. cultures have it, it's could be a. coincidence. But if you get 40 or 300,

then maybe there's something to it. Maybe it really happened. So, um, so I'm. pretty sure that flood happened. Now, as. for giants, giants is tricky because we don't have. any hard evidence, but we have a lot of. circumstantial evidence. where um the most recent would probably. be late 19th century, early early 20th. where you just had these discoveries all. over America, over a thousand of them of.

these amateur archaeologists finding. giant bones. And um the story is always. the same is this this guy's he's you. know he's digging and he's like. desecrating a Native American burial. mound finds these giant bones calls the. Smithsonian. They come over they. investigate. They take the bones. They. go back and then it disappears. Like. that happens over and over through these. stories is the Smithsonian conspiracy is. always involved.

But um. >> so are you saying the smi the. Smithsonian hides evidence of giants? >> I'm saying that the the conspiracy. theory is that the Smithsonian hides. evidence of a lot of things. The. Smithsonian of which I'm a huge fan of. Like if I go to DC, I spend four days. there. I love I love the like the museum. part. But what we don't see is all the. we don't see the kind of the the dark. underside of the Smithsonian like when.

it was formed. >> like the Vatican. >> The Vatican we can talk about that too. The Smithsonian I think the first. director might have been John Wesley. Pal. I could be fact checked on that. Who was um like he spent a lot of time. with Native Americans. He respected. them. He saw them as very intelligent. and resourceful. So they had they were well represented. in the Smithsonian. Then he appointed. I forget the the gentleman's name but he. was he was like the chief ethnographer.

for the east. east Ohio or something like that some. crazy title and he gets into a position. of power and it turns out that he's. sees native cultures as Native Americans. as as not as subhuman. They call them. specimens. He would put like their body. parts on display and stuff. look at. these Native American specimens. So. there'd be all these discoveries of. these amazing mounds like the Serpent. Mount in Ohio and all this stuff all all.

around the country. And the Smithsonian. would say there must have been another. advanced race here because Native. Americans are just too they're savages. They couldn't never build this. And that that became kind of embedded in. the Smithsonian for a long long time is. um is this isolationist. uh theory is is what they called it. where before it was called diffusionism. where diffusionism was cultures from all.

around the world interacted but then the. new regime came in and said there's no. way that Native Americans from the. Mississippian culture could interact. with the Mayas or the Incas. They just. they were too savage to do that, which. is ridiculous. That's like, you know, saying that Carthage didn't have. anything to do with Rome, you know, of. course they did. And we've learned later. that some of the biggest most advanced. cities in the world of the of the. ancient world were here in America. Like.

like the the city of Cahokia. is was a Mississippian culture. It was. bigger than London. It was bigger than. Paris. It was like a big advanced. civilization that just got kind of. covered over. And so the Smithsonian just sort of had. this worldview that they're just locked. into it. And and I think we see a lot of. that with. pseudocience, pseudo archaeology. If it. doesn't fit the mainstream narrative, then it's you're marginalized, you're. censored. You know, again, Graham. Hancock when when Ancient Apocalypse.

came out, he it was called the dangerous. most dangerous series on Netflix. uh because it was. white supremacy and all all this crazy. stuff. supremacy. >> because he if it's an advanced. civilization that was here before us, the implication is that it was white. when he never says anything like that. He never says anything like that. He's. married to a woman of color. So, it's. infuriating this. because he he took a lot of heat for.

that show. because. >> I love that show, >> of course. And you don't have to believe. all of it. And I I don't subscribe to. everything he does, but I I'm fascinated. by the topics. And we can get back to. giants in a second. I'm just trying to. set up that there's there are forces to. that want to keep certain things that. away from us. >> Mhm. >> Um there's an initiative right now to. have the Smithsonian catalog and make. public everything they have there, which. I I don't think is going anywhere. The. Smithsonian gets very strange carveouts.

of laws. There was a law passed not too. long ago which required all museums to. return anything that was of value to. Native American cultures back to the. tribes especially if it was funeral. anything that have to like funeral. whatever it's called. death rights or whatever to return all. that stuff. So this laws passed the. museums have to do all that but you. specifically it says in line after line.

Smithsonian is exempt. Smithsonian. doesn't count. Smithsonian doesn't have. to do any of this. So, they don't have. to respond to any of it. So, then we go back to. Grand Canyon or the Giants. and we don't really know. It's hard to know what's true because. there's over a thousand reports in. newspapers of these findings.

But the mainstream narrative is it's it. was giants were cool at the time. It was. hoaxes and it it was just to make money. But it's just too many coincidences. And. there's there's one there's one giant. story that that's interesting that. because it overlaps several cultures uh. native cultures where you've got the in. like the Mississippi Valley these these. they have these Indian myths about these. giants that are they're cannibals so.

they're you know they're eating the. people and they get driven west by the. tribes. They unite and drive them west. into like Nevada and California and they. end up at what's known as Lovelock Cave. and uh the Love Lo Cave giants are. famous giants or the red hair giants. So. the story goes that they're. they're at they're at war with all these. tribes and during the war when when the. when when the when the natives are.

falling they're like eating them in the. battlefield. So it unites the tribes and. they drive them into Lovelock Cave and. they seal the cave and they set fire to. the whole the whole place. And. an archaeologist goes in there and finds. sandals that are like size 29 and these. giant just giant clothes that like I'm. not making this part up. You can go see. this. like what why is there a sandal. that's this size that are all found in.

the cave and bones and red hair. but um and all that stuff has been sent. back and then it's just gone. and as you know as recently as just. maybe like 20 years ago. at some point someone discovered these. giant coffins. giant coffins with lids on them and they. were sent to the Smithsonian. >> was there anything in the coffin. >> not that I'm aware of, but they were. they were coffins and they were they. were big and native cultures didn't do.

that. They didn't have coffins or bury. their dead, at least none that I'm aware. of. That was not part of their culture. So, this was very strange. So, those. were sent to the Smithsonian and then it. kind of disappeared. But then not too. long ago, someone picked up on the story. and asked the Smithsonian about them and. they said, "We do have record of. receiving that, but we don't know where. they are.". And that was kind of the end of it. And. then a few years later, someone else got. involved. I think it was John Tierney.

He John Tierney really went after. Smithsonian hard. He wrote a book about. like Smithsonian is the greatest cover. up. So it might have been Tyranny that. he said, "Okay, I know that you you said. you received these. You can't find them. I need you to find them." And they said, "Okay, we found them, but they're in a. warehouse that's. it's got an asbestous problem. So we no. one could go in there. And he said, "Well, when can we go in there?" And. they said, "About 10 years." And that. was that was really the last of it. So.

the Smithsonian gets wrapped up in all. these these weird conspiracies. There's. the um the Akamaro statues, which is. very controversial, which is like 3,000. artifacts that show. humans riding dinosaurs. They show. Asians, Africans, you know, races that. shouldn't be around there that are. carbon dated to 2500 years ago, 3500. years ago. And they're sent to Smithsonian. That.

Smithsonian said, "Yeah, these things. are 30 years old. They're a hoax." But. they were independently validated by. other labs saying, "No, these things are. really, really old." Smithsonian's like, "No, it's a hoax." And then as time goes. on, all those other labs become. discredited, like, "Oh, their techniques. weren't modern." And and that's kind of. where the Akamara has ended up as far as. I know. cuz I don't know if anyone really cares. enough to follow up on stuff like that. I do. So I kind of want to know like what do.

you have down there? I I think they have. almost a billion artifacts that we can't. see and I just want to know what they. are. >> So all those giant bones that were. found. Okay. M I'm sure 99% of them are. hoaxes and maybe there's a half a. percent that were mastadon bones that. were misidentified. But what what happened in Lovelock Cave? We know stuff was in there because there. was a a tribal leader, a woman who. became kind of famous a famous author.

She used to she had red hair woven into. like some of her like her traditional. garb and she said it's from the Lovelock. Giants. like where did she get that red. hair? So, I'm not saying it's real. I'm just. saying I would like to know what's. what's the chain of custody. >> there. So, there's just a lot of those. >> I mean, I this all came from biblical. stuff though. Correct. >> Yeah. So, the the biblical giants, you. don't see much of them in in like in in.

the canonical Bible. The Nephilim are. mentioned once and I could talk about. them a little bit, but we learn more. about giants when the book of Enoch is. discovered. And um the book of Enoch was. discovered when. like an adventurer, I forget when it was. maybe 18th century, was looking for the. source of the Nile River, which was kind. of a big deal at the time. And he found. it and it was somewhere in Ethiopia. and um he gets to know the the locals.

there and they're Ethiopian Jews that. have been there for 3,000 years. So he's. friendly with them. They take him up to. their. whatever you call it, their church, and. he sees this giant book, you know what's. like a giant book. What's that? He said, "That's the Bible." He said, "Oh, it's. it's a Bible." They said, "No, no, that's the Bible." you know with the. King James Bible I don't know how many. books is like 66 or something like that. where this had over 100 books and in.

there were book of Enoch the book of. giants all all this other stuff so you. have Genesis that starts. you know um basically let there be light. but in in this expanded Bible you have. every all this stuff that happened. before then so we know a little bit. about Moses from the Bible but if you if. you read these other books you learn all. Moses and Enoch and Methuselah and these. and these men are all related, you know,

and going back this like 10 or 12. generations from Adam. It's all in. there. And this kind of ties in with the pseudo. archaeology and how how mainstream wants. you to stay in your lane. So, this book. is discovered and they've had this for. thousands of years. It there's the story. of the the Queen of Sheba. There's only a little bit about her in. the main Bible, but this expanded Bible. has the Queen of Sheba going up to meet. King Solomon and she's fascinated by him. and they they fall in love and she gives.

him a child named Menelik and that ties. into the Ark of the Covenant and all. that stuff. So, we have that one story, but it's kind of an outlier. It's, you. know, it's Ethiopian Jews, which is kind. of kind of strange, but but legitimate. But then much later, the Dead Sea. Scrolls are found. And then among the. thousands of parchment are there's the. book of Enoch, copies and copies of it. and the book of giants. So the story is that there's.

these sky gods and this story for people. who know it is going to track exactly. with the Anunnaki. It's going to track. right with it. This Bible story is going. to track right with it. So, you've got. these sky gods and they send watchers. down to earth and their job is to. shepherd and guide humans, teach them. animal husbandry and agriculture and all. that stuff. But the watchers become.

corrupt and fascinated with human women. and hecklefish says, "Uh oh, that's not. going to end well." And it didn't. So the the watchers who. are probably angels, they interbreed. with humans and then their offspring are. the Nephilim. And the Nephilim are these. they're giants. In some books, they're. 350 ft tall. They're vicious. They're. they're violent. They're they're. cannibals. And these are the, you know, the unholy.

offspring of of the angels and humans. >> Is it angels and humans or demons and. humans? uh you know in in the earlier. books or in what's the difference. >> you know I don't I don't think the the. books really take a stance. um. because the the watchers are there with. good intentions. but you know I think there's lessons in. all of that that you know any anyone. could be corrupted. uh certainly Persian women are pretty.

enough so the the giants now are. They're ravaging the world and they're. just making a mess of things. And that's. when God decides it's got to stop. It's. we got to start over. And then he wipes. it away with the flood. But the book of. Enoch expands on all of that and has him. has Enoch going up to heaven to speak to. God. And and that's that's heresy to say. because heaven is not supposed to be a. place like mortal man can't go to.

heaven. It certainly can't come back. But Enoch did and he was specifically. taken there. I think he was taken there. by Uriel. and taken up there in a chariot of fire. And then Enoch is walking around heaven. But he's describing a place where he's. seeing tall beings of light going about. their business. And the walls are. covered with how he describes his. emeralds that are just blinking lights. on and off.

And. he talks about how he can see all of the. earth. And he describes how he can see. how the winds are made. And I can see. every lake and river on the earth. And when you think of heaven, you think. of like, you know, clouds in the sky. But Enoch said that there's a a roof, there's a ceiling, and everything is. shiny. And what it sounds like he's. describing is a spacecraft. If you read. the book, like if you read the book. through a modern lens, it's like this.

guy is on a UFO is where Enoch is. >> So he's up there and and they take him. all around the cosmos. And this is all. in the book. He describes the solar. system and. he's told the Earth goes around the sun. in 364 days, which we weren't supposed. to know any of that then in the book of. Enoch. And then he's given um a directive from. God to go go take this message down to. the Nephilim and the Watchers that you.

know if you don't get your [ __ ] together. it's it's going to get bad down here. And they ignore the order and that's. when that's when the flood comes and. then only one man is chosen to survive. the flood and that's Enoch's grandson. and that's Noah. And that's that's where. the Noah arc story comes from, but it. tracks pretty closely with the Anunnaki. story and the cataclysm. and it tracks a little bit with um the. epic of Gilgamesh and Utna Pishtim and. the flood and a lot of these other.

stories. >> Wow, that's fascinating. >> I think so. >> Didn't the Didn't the. Smithsonian cover up Adam and Eve or. something? >> Are you talking about the Adam and Eve. book? >> Yes. Oh, that's that's a different one. That's um so that's a book that was. released in 1966 by Dr. Chan uh Chan. Thomas and it's called the story of Adam. and Eve. And if and that story title sounds cute.

until you read it and you realize he's. talking about it really Adam and Eve. And the story about the story is it's. this 278 page manuscript that is. classified by the CIA and they've. removed 200 pages only like 50 or 60. pages left and half of those are blank. and the CIA says it's been sanitized. And the reason that the CIA was so. interested in in the book of Adam and. Eve is because it describes the end of. the world. And Dr. Thomas in the book.

talks about pole shifts and what happens. when the poles shift. Something happens. to the the inner core of the earth. The. our electrical field gets thrown off. And when that happens, the poles shift. And it's something that happens over and. over and over again. And his pole shift. is a 90° shift. So Antarctica goes to. the equator and the equator goes down. south like it's it's violent. and as it's shifting the atmosphere.

continues to rotate you know um west to. east. So that just he describes in the. book just. walls of water and this wind and debris. just tearing across everything. Cities. are are reduced to waste. He says New. York, Boston, Chicago, LA are nothing. but memories. Um New York is at the. bottom of the sea and um Antarctica is. at the equator and becomes you know like. a tropical land. and the story is the CIA wanted this. suppressed because it would cause chaos.

and all that. and that was a story that was. recommended that I cover and it was one. that I got a lot of angry people angry. at me because I debunked all of it. I. debunked the the whole thing that um it. was never 287 pages or whatever. It was. just 50 60 pages and it was never. classified. What happened was uh and. they said Chan Thomas was a fake name. but it's not. His name is Dr. Chanty. uh Dr. Chanty Powers.

Chanty Powers Thomas and the book was. never classified. What happened was he. was an engineer at McDonald Douglas. working on anti-gravity and missile. guidance and kind of some weird stuff. like that. and his coworker said he's. very intelligent but he's kind of. eccentric. And what I believe happened cuz I found. the CIA file on him is they've got the. book but there's also like People. magazine and there's a shopping list and. there's just like random documents and I. think it was just he's working on this.

like top secret top secret stuff. He's. wacky. They probably had just an officer just. keeping a an eye on him like we just. keep a file on him because he's on. Johnny Carson. you know, this is a weird. this is a weird guy, you know, he's not. supposed to do that kind of stuff. And. then um and the book was never really. classified. He updated it and updated. it. It was never classified. Then later he writes a book about he. updates it. He adds angels and UFOs and. ESP into the book. It starts to get kind.

of wild. He writes another book about. how uh to give natural child of birth, >> which was strange. >> Interesting. Where were you going with. the Vatican? >> Uh, I wasn't going anywhere. We could. talk about the Vatican. >> I'd love to talk about the Vatican. >> Man, where do we start? >> Where do we start with the Vatican? The Secret Archives. >> Yeah. What's in there? >> So many rumors about what's down there. The Vatican secret archives. They're.

down under the Vatican. They're called. the Apostolic Archives. You can't go. there. I mean, you can you can people. can go to the Vatican archives. You have. to um you have to get permission. is. like a 10 to 15 year wait and you have. to tell them what you what you want to. see before you go. So, and while you're. there, you can't touch anything. Someone. will turn the pages for you and all. that. So, it's you kind of can't go. there. But rumored to be down there is. the spear of destiny. The uh the ark of. the covenant is supposed to be down. there. The man, >> what is the spear of destiny? >> That is the spear of destiny or the holy.

lance was with the Roman soldier pierced. Christ when he was on the cross. That's. the spear of destiny. That was something. that Hitler was very interested in. finding. Hitler was chasing these. artifacts all over all over the place. As soon as the Nazis concert conquered. France, they started digging everywhere. like um like the the Charters Cathedral. was where the ark was supposed to be. They were digging up everywhere looking. for stuff. It's like Indiana Jones was. got a lot of those things right. Um my.

favorite object that's supposed to be. down there is called a chronovvisor. And. this is an object that lets you see. through time. I don't know if you've ever heard of. this. >> I don't think I have. >> So, chrono means time. Visor means sea. So, this is object that you can see. through time. It was um invented by uh. his name was um Pellegrino Ornetti. Father Pellerro Ernetti was he was a. priest but he was also a physicist and. he was like an expert at music and he. was working with um I think his.

supervisor was father father Jimlly he's. working at a university or something and. what they're doing is they're studying. Gregorian chants and listening to. records and and cataloging things and. they're listening to one record and. father Jameli says I recognize that. voice and they play it back and well. who's that he's like that's my. like, "Well, what is he saying?" He. said, "Well, he's talking about leather. and prices and well, it turns out his. father was like a like a shoe maker, like a cobbler, and he heard his.

father's voice selling somebody's shoes. So, they end up isolating these voices. and come to the conclusion that all the. objects around us are vibrating with an. energy and picking up all the. conversations. everything we're saying. is getting absorbed into everything. around us and that if you can tune into. the right frequency, you can hear that. And if you can really zero in on it, you. can see what's going on. And Father. Ernetti um gets together this group of.

rockstar physicists led by Enrico Fermy. who worked on the Manhattan project, you. know, a heavy hitter and nine or 10. others. And they build this device. called the chronovvisor. And Father Ernetti is goes and he looks. back at Mussolini's speeches. Then he. goes back further and he's looking at at. at watching old Roman plays that no. longer exist. And what really put it on the map was.

he took a picture of Christ's. crucifixion and released it. And it was. it's a wild photograph because it's it's. Jesus Christ on the cross. Wow. And uh so and so he releases that to the. public and it it hits the newspapers. especially in Italy like like crazy. I. think this was the 60s. and becomes a sens sensation. So, I. covered that story, but um but ended up.

finding out that the photo the the. Christ in his photograph looks an awful. lot like a Christ statue and that was. carved somewhat recently to that era at. that was in a cathedral in Spain. And it turned out that that's really. what it was was he had this photograph. that that he said he saw Christ, but but. it was just his photograph of the. statue. And then he backtracked a little. bit and he said, "Well, you know, this. is really the photograph and the statue.

is based on this, but that's that's not. what happened.". So we don't So the chroniser is just. this legend. But but according to the. story, the the Vatican releases a. statement at some point that says that. anyone who's caught trying to look or. listen through time is excommunicated. And that's kind of how that story ends. I couldn't find any evidence of that. >> Wow, man. I thought you were going to I. thought you were going towards I just.

watched this episode about this device. Actually, I saw it on. this I can't remember if it was Graham. Hancock or. Builders of Ancient Mysteries or. something. Bam. And they found this. device at the bottom of the ocean. supposedly. You ruined it for me, AJ. >> Anticther. mechanism. >> Is that the thing where they they found. it? And it had like all these gears and. none of the watch maker like they had. hublau come out and they were the only. ones that were able to replicate it and. it was supposedly like this.

>> I don't know 12,000y old device or. something and it perfectly simulated uh. the rotation of the solar system. >> Yes. And the the stages of the moon and. a lot of different it was like a. a mechanical almanac is what it was that. all these phases of the moon but. That wound up being [ __ ] right? It. >> not [ __ ] It's I mean it's a real. thing and the craftsmanship is amazing.

What's most amazing is that it survived. at the bottom of of the sea for a. thousand years or whatever. But as they. recreated it, they learned that the. technology to do this existed. Watch. makers, it they can do this. >> It just and not a lot of that stuff. survived because it's so delicate. >> But this was at the bottom of the sea. Um. I I think it's still fascinating. >> I mean even a thousand years ago to be. able to simulate that. So they did have. that technology.

>> Yeah. To to to make gears and do all. that stuff. They did. Um if you look at. like Archimedes goes back even further. than that. And some of the technology he. came up with was wild. I mean, the. Archimedia screw is still is still used. as a way to like get water to flow. backwards because it goes up up a screw. It's like a revolutionary thing. But he. had he was famous for creating all these. crazy weapons. And one of his famous. weapons was these giant mirrors that he.

used to to burn the the Roman fleet when. they were sailing into I think he was I. think it was from Sicily. was Archimedes. So. the these ancient cultures, they're just. way more. intelligent and and then I think we give. them credit for, you know, which goes back to to the. giants and the suppression and if it's. not doesn't fit what we know about.

Egypt, then it's wrong and you're an. idiot. But our ancestors were were pretty. resourceful. They made some cool stuff. >> Yeah, no kidding. I mean, back to. Stonehenge, Machu Picchu, Easter Island, the pyramids, all that stuff, man. It's. wild. It's like, >> yeah, the ball back stone. They don't. even know how they made that. That's, you know, it's like, >> what's the ball back stone? >> That's in Lebanon. There's They just. found a third one not too long ago. The. I think the biggest one is called the. stone of the pregnant woman, and it's.

massive. Like you It's just a It's a big. block, and it's it's dramatic looking. cuz it's kind of laying in the ground at. an angle. You can only get a sense of. the scope if you see a person standing. on it because they're like that tall. And they don't know how this was. quarried because it's perfect. And it's. it's it's the biggest megalith that. we've ever found is this this giant. stone. They don't know what it was for. They don't know who built it or how they. possibly could have done it. But then. they found another stone.

and um there's these megalithic. structures all over the area that are. huge stones. They don't know how to put. them in place. And then they just found. a third stone very recently that I think. is bigger than the other ones. Something like 20 million pounds. Like. unbelievable. >> Holy [ __ ]. man. You uncover some wild stuff, too. >> It's all rabbit holes, >> man. It's cool. I love it. I I remember. watching this one where there's these. holes in the ground and uh I think it's. the Northwest, right?

>> It's Mel's hole. >> Is that what it is? where this guy was. like put fishing line down there. He. could never find the bottom. >> Yeah, that's um that's Ellensburg, Washington. That's so so do you want me. to tell you the story? >> Yeah. Do you But for do you ever go see. this stuff? >> No, not really. >> Why? >> Well, I mean, if I debunk a story, why. go see it? >> Did you debunk that? >> How can I tell the How can I tell you.

that I haven't told a story yet? Let's hear it. >> All right. Mel Waters um buys this property in. Ellensburg at like Manastach Ridge in. Washington in that area. And um there's. a hole on his property and he sees that. like all his neighbors are throwing all. kinds of crap into the hole like old. washing machines and all kinds of stuff. They're just using it as a dump. And so. he starts doing the same thing. They're. all just throwing stuff in the hole. And. after a while he wonders, "Why does this.

not fill up?" He very strange. So he goes over there and he's just kind. of he can't see the bottom. He can't. hear an echo and he's out there. investigating with his dog and he's. looking and he looks and his dog won't. come close. Like his dog is like will. not come near the hole. And he looks up. and birds are flying around it like no. nothing wants to come near this hole. So. he wants to figure out how deep this. thing goes. And he's a fisherman. So he. puts fishing line down there and he's.

got 5,000 ft and. he doesn't hit bottom. He does another. spool. He's got 10,000 ft. He ties life. savers on the bottom of it to put it. down there to see if they'll come up. dissolved. Maybe it's a well 20,000 ft. 50,000 till he hits about 16 miles of. line down and he doesn't hit the bottom. with it. >> So he he 16 miles of line. >> 16 miles of line. So. >> 16 or 60? >> 16. >> Jeez. >> Um and he notices that his radios are.

acting weird. He's got when he's out. there working, he's listening to his. radio, but and when his radio is near. the hole, he's picking up these strange. things like he's hearing oldtime music. and which doesn't make sense. And then. he tunes a little bit and he catches a. baseball game. He listens to that for a. minute and realizes it's a game from 30. years ago. So something is affecting. like time around around the hole. So, at at this point, he calls into Art.

Bell at Coast to Coast. I don't know if. you remember Art Bell in that show. >> So, he's telling Art this story about. how how weird this hole is. >> Uh he talks about how one of his. neighbors, his dog died, and he threw. the dog down the hole and the next day. he sees his dog running through the like. through the woods with his collar on, but he won't come. It's like he acts. like he doesn't know him. like the hole. is the hole is doing weird stuff in the. area. So he talks to Art Bell a little. bit about it.

and then Art is trying to get in touch. with him and can't and then finally does. and Mel Waters says I wish I never. called you. He said so I I talked to you. and he he was out of town for that. interview. He said I got back into town. I couldn't get on my property. Said. there was heavy machinery there. There. was military there. Um I they wouldn't. let me up. Some guy in plane clothes. came down and said you can't come in. here. Said why this this is my property. Said there was a plane crash so we have.

to investigate it. There's no evidence. of the plane crash. There's no news. And Mel starts to get kind of upset. It's my property, my land. And then the. guy in plain clothes says I'm not saying. we will, but we could find a drug. factory or something on this land. I'm. just, you know, saying that that could. happen if you want to press this. And Mo. Waters said, you know, I'll go to the. I'll go to the I'll go to the press. The. guy's like, tell whoever you want. No. one's going to believe you. And he gets. run off his property. and and you don't.

know if it's a hoax or not, but Artbell. talks to a news crew that goes to the. property and they find evidence of. tractor tracks in the mud and evidence. that there was a a military presence. there along with machinery and it's. still all blocked off. Mel is eventually contacted by some. intelligence and offered a deal $2. million. you leave the country, you. never come back and you lease us the.

property or sell us the property, you. just never come back. So Mel goes. overseas for a while. And this story on. our belt go is 10 years that he checks. in. So Mel is overseas. He's in Australia. and um it's something like his niece is. graduating. He wants to come back. He's. not supposed to come back at all, but he. decides to come back anyway. And he's taking a bus. He lands wherever. and he's taking a bus and there's some. type some type of issue where breaks out.

on the bus. There's a fight or. something. The bus pulls over and. everyone gets off but he's kind of he's. not allowed off like they're holding him. back. They get everyone off. Couple of. guys kind of grab him. He feels like a. pinch and then he blacks out and he. wakes up 12 days later and he's in San. Francisco in an alley. and he doesn't know what's happened for. the last 12 days and he tastes blood in. his mouth and he starts he realizes his. back teeth are missing like it it's a.

crazy story. and he's telling all this to Art and uh. Art helps him like find a find a place. to Okay. And he says, "Art, I just got contacted. from um. native tribe and. uh the people are called the Basque. I. don't know if you know the Basque. They're it's a region between like. France and Spain. It's a little area. people call the Basque. It's.

it's a small community, but it's very. unique. So, a lot of Basque settled in. Nevada in like the uh 19th century. So. this native tribe is working with the. Basque and they call Mel and they want. him to come out because they found. another hole. Story gets weirder from here. So he goes. out to like consult with them about the. hole. And that hole is different. Mel's. hole was about 9 ft around uh 9 ft wide. with this stone retaining wall. This.

hole is nine feet, but it's it's got. this metal collar, and it's metal all. the way down as far as the eye can see, and it won't vibrate at all. Like, Mel. drops a tool or something on it, and it. doesn't make a sound. It's very strange. So, they don't bother trying to find the. bottom of it. They just start putting. things down the hole to see what. happens. They start by putting ice cubes. down just to see, is it hot down there? So, they put these ice cubes down the. hole. They pull the ice cubes up and now. the ice cubes are hot and they catch on.

fire like they they get transformed in. the hole. Story gets weirder. And they. do that. for a while and they actually take ice. and some of them are using it to heat. their homes. It's It's very weird. So. then they say someone volunteers to go. down the hole and they're like, "No, no, you can't do that." But they're a. shepherd colony. So they send a sheep. down the hole in a in a crate and they. send the and the sheep doesn't want to.

go. Animals don't like this thing. Birds. fly around it. They don't animals don't. want to go. So the sheep is freaking. out. And they send the cage down at like. 1,200 ft and it stops moving and they. pull it up and the sheep is dead, but it. looks totally fine. So it's since it's a shepherd culture, they know how to butcher a sheep. So. they said, "We'll do an autopsy on it. We'll butcher it." So they butchered the. sheep and the entire inside cavity of. the sheep is gone and inside is a giant. tumor just like just this disgusting.

huge tumor. And um they cut the tumor open and. inside is what Mel described as a fetal. seal like the fetus of a seal with human. eyes and it's looking at them and uh. they kind of just set this seal looking. thing out for a while. Well, it's. looking at it's they're looking at each. other for a couple of hours and then it. eventually.

kind of inches it way back down into the. hole. And once it does that, Mel, who had esophageal cancer, is now. cancer free. Like everyone who is sick. in the village is now healed. And the people there think this is some. like divine thing that with this with. this they call it a magic seal. and they believe that it's communicating. with them through this radio in like. some type of Morse code. They don't know.

if it's alien language or not. And he's telling Art that. I I I've got pictures of this. They've. got recordings of it. I've got all this. stuff, photographs, and they they finally set up, you know, an interview to go over all the. evidence, but but Mel never shows. and. Art is never able to get a hold of him. again. And that's kind of where the. story ends. And you know, it starts out like a.

really interesting story, but the. theory, at least what I came up with was. he the story just got so I I mean, I. left out so many crazy details cuz how. much time do we have that the story was. getting so out of hand that I don't. think he could keep up with the hoax. anymore. And he was just like, I can't. how do you how do you top magic seal. fetus that heals cancer? So, that was a story that I went into. just cuz I liked um you know, I'm a huge. Art Bell fan and that's a classic Art. Bell story. That's you know, that's one.

of the top ones. Uh I wish it had a. better ending. It's so anticlimactic, but but it just was such a fun journey. and it just has so many opportunities. for jokes in there and stuff. We I have. a t-shirt on the It's one of the most. popular shirts. is um I went to Mel's. Hall and all I got was this magic seal. gus. I wear it all the time. >> So, was the hole there? >> So, people have tried to find the hole. and a couple of people have said they. found it. So, I was doing some some some.

research. What was very strange was. the area where the hole was supposed to. be uh on Terra server, which is like. before Google Maps, was all blacked out. It was all like redacted, which is very. strange. But later it does show up on Google. Maps. So people's tried to Mel gave a. lot of information of that you you could. probably find it. I found one place that.

was very compelling because Mel said on. his property he had one building that. was kind of falling down from snow and. um I'm looking at the pictures of the. property and that building is there and. then right across the way is a hole. that's 9 ft wide with a stone retaining. wall and I looked at that and I'm like. no way that I I for a second there I. thought this was Mel's hole but it was. investigated it was just a. and the property belongs to somebody.

But that's one of those stories where I. like debunked it and then I found the. pictures. I was like, "No, damn.". >> Yeah. >> Stuff's crazy, man. >> I know. This kind of stuff that I talk. about and that's, you know, sometimes. the stories just get weirder and weirder. and then they just they just fall down. That's that's Mel's hole. Just a crazy. story with no strong ending. >> Damn. How do you find these? >> Well, that was easy to find because as. as an Art Bell fan, I can name like the.

top five episodes that are my favorites, you know? So, Mel's Hole is one Art Bell. fans know that one, you know, they know. that one In and Out. I that's why it's. so popular. Artbell fans don't know me, but they're like, "Oh, Mel's Hole. I. want to hear about that." So, I knew. about that one already. You know, most. of the other stuff, it's either sent. into me or it's my brother is into all. the weird stuff. you know, he goes to. the UFO conventions and hangs out with. with with, you know, Thomas Jane and. Barefoot and talks about UFOs and stuff. He does all that crazy stuff. So, he'll.

he'll say, "Oh, you got to you got to. look into this. You got to look into. that.". >> And I know if it sounds really stupid. that it's going to be a good one. Have you looked into Bigfoot? >> Yeah, I looked into it. I looked into. it. Um, you know, the the the famous part of. Bigfoot is the Patterson film. It's it. looks pretty good. That's it's the one I. that I think everyone's seen. You see. the Bigfoot, he's kind of walking in the. distance. He's kind of and he looks back. over his shoulder. That's that's the.

Patterson film. It's pretty compelling. But almost every piece of Bigfoot. evidence is it's been hoaxed. >> Yeah. Sounds like the uh Loch Ness. monster. >> Lochess monster. Also, I I couldn't find. any evidence of it. the famous photos. I. debunked all of those. It's like, >> yeah, didn't it have taken in a bathtub. or something? >> One of those was it was a bathtub. One. was just a boat. People hated that one. But Bigfoot's fun because there's. there's native stories that go back a. long time that talk about these these. giant creatures covered in hair, but.

they lived interdimensional. So, it's. like you're not going to go find them. because they can just phase into a. different dimension. >> Yeah. >> Which is convenient, but. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm not a Bigfoot guy. Those are. called cryptids, which are these. creatures that are like outside of, you. know, cryptozoolology. And I don't like. crypted stories. I do them because. people like them. So, I covered like all. all weird creatures, whether it's the. Jersey Devil or Bigfoot or Chupacabra or. all these creatures. I cover them.

because people like them. But there's. the evidence always sucks. And my show. is not like. when I was starting the channel looking. at these topics, there were two types of. channels. were the ones that were all. in, you know, Darren, right? Just. everything's true. And it's like, yeah, but what about it's like, no, no, no, true. And then the the other stories. were just people telling these weird. stories, but they're like snarky and. sarcastic, like kind it's condescending. I don't want to name any YouTube. creators, but you know who you are. And.

that annoys me because that's just. making the story about you, about how. smart you are, and I'm stupid because I. think this is a cool story. So, there. was just that. So, I said, "Well, why don't I tell the. story and make it fun and then if anyone. wants to stick around for what I found, I'll do that." And most people don't. I. >> You do a damn good job of it. >> As soon as I say, "But is it true?" I. see the numbers go, everyone's like, "Nope, don't care. Don't care.".

>> Oh, man. What um if I can ask, you don't. have to answer this, but what do you. what do you what do you nine up for the. future? It's really just the conversation end of. the of the show. That's the next phase. is to the studio is built. It's called. the basement. It looks great. It's like. what you would imagine would be the. basement underneath the Wi-Fi studio. It's kind of kind of old school and and. and musty. It's super fun. It's ready to.

go. All it's just waiting for is me to. have the guts to book a couple of people. and get to work. >> Well, I hope you find it quick. I really. do. I'm looking forward to that. I think. that's gonna be awesome. Awesome. Well, AJ, man, I'm I'm just so. thankful that we connected. I loved this. interview. It's one of my favorite. >> Well, thank you for letting me ramble. >> Hey. Hey, anytime you want to come here. and ramble, >> I'll just come here and shoot. >> Hey, we could do that, too. I got a lot. more guns than the than the uh.

Winchester lever action and the Sig. So, >> thank you. >> Love to have you again. I would and uh. maybe at some point I can come check out. the new studio, >> please. Anytime. >> I would love that. Well, thank you, man. >> Good for seriously. work. >> Awesome. [Music].

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