YouTuber Faked A LiveStream To Allegedly Create An Alibi For Murder- Case of Stephen McCullagh

bada bing bada boom can you be two. places at once okay not in the metaverse. like not VR I'm talking physically can. you be two places at once can you be in. one place miles away and then at a. second place at the same time I wish. yeah I mean recently this case has gone. viral because it seems like this. YouTuber was two places at once so. December 18th of 2022 so just this last. December Steven was home and we don't.

have his ring camera footage to prove. that he was home but we do have a live. stream which is like the next best thing. he's live streaming on his desk he's. playing Grand Theft Auto the stream was. titled violent night Christmas stream. he's just like in this intense gameplay. he's getting into it he's screaming at. the camera he's getting riled up he's. completing his little. quests look at the droplets of blood. just like the r beautiful stuff right. come here no me no one's coming to save.

you Christmas and a week he's live. streaming at home but the very same. night it's alleged that he was somewhere. else entirely he was allegedly caught on. CCTV on his way to murder his pregnant. girlfriend but how could that be I mean. he was clearly at home sitting at his. desk playing Grand Theft Auto live. streaming in real time to his YouTube. audience is this a case of mistaken.

identity is this a doppelganger or is it. something else. [Music]. entirely as always full show notes are. available at Rotten mango podcast.com um. I did miss you guys for a main episode.

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the 6-hour live stream of this YouTuber. is still up on YouTube it hasn't been. taken down since December 18th of 2022 I. can't say that I recommend anybody watch. it I know that there's going to be. people who are curious that want to see. it for themselves I'm going to show you. the big bits and pieces that a lot of. people are talking about but other than. that I would say it's just 6 hours of. pure discomfort it's an uncomfortable. watch I think we all have way more. important things to do like supporting. the MC Al family and getting Justice.

it's just not something I would. recommend but it is there so with that. being said there was this huge rally for. violence against women in Ireland I. think there were like over a thousand. people gathered there most of these. people they're angry they're upset. they're sad they're in grief I mean. they're holding up signs end violence. against women Justice for Natalie or one. that was even more emotional was she was. just at home she was only at home. Natalie MCN was at home when she was.

viciously attacked and murdered it said. that she was stabbed there were just a. lot of um a lot of emotions in the faces. of the crowd but this this this one kind. of stood out this guy and maybe it's. hindsight maybe not but there's a man. standing amongst the crowd in the. rallies Stephen he's a YouTuber look he. might not look or sound familiar YouTube. is a huge environment but Steph was bit. of a micro influencer he had a little. over 35,000 subscribers which is a don't.

get me wrong but he he had a super Niche. audience okay the guy he didn't do. lifestyle content he didn't do like what. I eat in a day videos that would cater. to a larger audience he focused on a. very specific community of collectible. figurines so he would collect these. Niche figurines from Star Wars or Doctor. Who and he would unpackage them review. them in the process of buying them he. had this entire room in his house that. was just dedicated to these figurines. where there was just rows and rows of. them and he did this for over a decade.

so he didn't have the biggest following. but he had like a cult-like following I. mean some people who were his viewers. they watched him since they were a kid. till when they're a young adult it's. intense he describes himself in his. YouTube channel as the adventures of an. overgrown Manchild and his special. friends he sounds like a good guy I mean. he's on his off time he's at a rally to. support the fight against violence. against women he's standing up for women. and people say there's no nice guys left. I would argue maybe it seems like he's.

one of the nice guys like what is there. not to stand especially when you find. out that he's connected to one of the. victims his pregnant girlfriend Natalie. was murdered the night of December 18th. she was murdered while he was live. streaming it was a pretty big deal when. Natalie announced that she was pregnant. um she had her whole family seated. around the living room her brother Neil. uh Natalie's brother said the minute the. words came out of Natalie's mouth that. she was pregnant every one the whole.

family they jumped to their feet and. they started jumping up and down by the. end of their night their cheeks were. hurting from smiling so much and Neil. said even when everybody left he caught. himself like skipping around the house. cleaning up he was just so happy his. little sister was pregnant at this point. the MCN family they felt like the fall. of 2022 just 2022 in general was going. to be one of the best years of their. lives the baby wasn't expected until. 2023 three but pregnancy is part of the.

journey I mean the family they're so. excited they're they're buying all the. baby supplies like the crib this is. going to be the first grandchild for the. mcnali parents Natalie's parents they're. telling everyone and anyone like you. know the mcnali parents you know that. Natalie's expecting a baby they would. even tell the friends I've never seen. Natalie so happy and content like in my. entire life you know just being pregnant. she has all these plans made out for the. future and she's doing really well with. her boyfriend and Natalie's Brothers her.

three brothers they're treating her even. more like an egg now more than ever so. Natalie is 32 when she falls pregnant. but to her brothers she was like their. egg that's how they describe her ever. since she was a kid I know it's a. strange way to put it but think about it. she had three brothers she was the only. daughter in the family her three. brothers Brandon Dean and Neil they said. because Natalie was the only daughter. she was like their precious egg everyone. in the family was like we got to protect. this egg we got to make sure nobody. hurts this egg we got to dot on this egg.

we got to make sure that this egg is. good and Natalie was just completely. cherished and protected by all her. family members I mean they treated her. like an absolute princess but she never. really let it get to her the way I can. describe it is Natalie gives me main. character energy like that's the energy. she has she's just so full of life very. compassionate there was a tribute video. that was uploaded onto YouTube for her. uh she just you can see that she loves. animals she was just bright kind-hearted. and at this stage in her life she's.

working at a marketing department for a. massive transportation company called. TransLink which is already impressive. but she went a step further if she's not. working she's volunteering so she would. go around her community and she would. advocate for what everyone around her. needs what her neighbors need what do. you guys need when it comes to public. transportation I'm going to go take it. to TransLink my boss and tell them. what's up she just wanted to serve her. community like she was just This. brilliant personable soul. people who worked with her said it was.

an honor working with her she seemed. like one of those people that had more. than 24 hours in a day you know those. people I'm talking about because when. she wasn't doing all of that she was. still taking care of her family she had. moved out at this point it was just her. and her pets but she would always come. home to her parents take them to soccer. games that was like a family tradition. that they had when Natalie was a kid. there was even this picture that landed. her on the front page of the mirror. magazine and this is she's in the middle. just beaming at the camera she's like. cheering for her family's favorite team.

dressed head to toe in their colors and. we're going to come back to this picture. in a minute but you can just tell. Natalie was this really honest. kind-spirited person in life and then. she met Steven her boyfriend who would. soon be arrested and then released for. her murder Steven was 33 when Natalie. announced that she was pregnant so I. mean he's of age the couple had been. officially dating for a few months it. was quick by all accounts the pregnancy. was unex expected but Stephen and.

Natalie they were both ready to step it. up they're like okay this is a blessing. in disguise we're ready to start this. family we're both of age we have stable. careers like this is perfect and. everyone around them is so supportive it. seemed like okay yeah sure they don't. know each other that long they didn't. date that long but there's no red flags. on either side of the couple like they. seem like they would both be amazing. parents this looks like the beautiful. start of a fantastic family I'm not sure. if Natalie would is nervous to tell.

Steven about her pregnancy but there are. no reports there is no indication that. either of them either party were super. stressed or upset about the pregnancy. news sure they were excited they were. surprised but I mean it didn't seem like. they were stressed Natalie at this point. she was emotionally mentally financially. just ready for a kid she's ready to make. the change even if the pregnancy was. initially a surprise and this is so. important her family even said Natalie. was just burs to start this new chapter.

of her life and I think with Steven's. past experiences in life I can only. imagine a lot of people in Steven's life. were so happy that he was starting his. own family you're like okay what. happened let me tell you Steven had lost. his parents in 2014 he lost his mom in. 2014 and then in 2015 he lost his dad he. didn't have any siblings from what I. could tell his whole support system at. this point was his dog a cute little. Terrier named Smokey and that was just. all he leaned on during his his parents. death like for 12 years Smokey was his.

life and more recently a few months. before Natalie's murder 12-year-old. Smokey passed away so it was a pretty. rough time for stevenh he posted an. emotional tribute on his YouTube channel. for Smokey and I don't know like I guess. I imagine if I were this guy's friend I. would think wow this guy has had a lot. of loss in his life but maybe this is. the best thing that could happen to him. he starting his family with someone. that's compassionate and kind and full. of life like if there's anyone that's. going to be good Mom it's going to be.

Natalie like maybe this will be good for. him that's the kind of the feeling that. I think a lot of people were feeling. about Steven and the couple they're. trying to go about it responsibly. Natalie's like okay I'm not trying to. like rush into moving in together just. because I'm pregnant they're trying to. take things slow so that whenever they. do move in together they have this. strong foundation for their relationship. so December 18th 2022 Sunday rolls. around and she's a few months pregnant. at this point the night before Saturday. Natalie had spent the night at Steven's. house cuz they're still living.

separately and she went back home to. take care of her pets the next morning. Sunday morning she goes home and she's. getting ready for the work week ahead. and on top of that she's like once I. finish everything all the house tours I. got to go to my parents house it's the. World Cup finale literally the one that. we just all watched oh my God and she's. always been a huge soccer fan her family. huge soccer fans which S note it was a. pretty exciting game so I'm sure Natalie. was just bursting with adrenaline with. just like everybody else that Wasing. watching and once the game ends she's.

getting ready to go back home and her. phone pings with a text message from. Steven this is like 5:57 p.m. and it. says right well I'm off to stream the. night away wish me luck that's what. Steven says Natalie smiles and she. responds I might have a peek at your. stream later we also later find out that. Steven had tweeted that he's going to be. streaming and Natalie had liked the. Tweet so she was just a very supportive. girlfriend if Steven had a hobby she. embraced it she tried to learn about it. she wanted to be interest Ed in the. things that made him passionate just.

seeing the people around her happy was. what made Natalie happy so anytime that. Steven went live which wasn't that. frequent Natalie would make a mental. note to pop in and say hi show him some. love and support him during his stream. so she's Gathering up her stuff at her. parents house and she starts heading. home this would be the last time her. parents saw her alive Natalie's car was. caught on CCTV cameras driving back home. around 700 p.m. on December 18th in 24. hours the evening of December 19th.

Monday authorities would be notified. that Natalie had been beaten and stabbed. in her home the 15-week old baby boy. that she was pregnant with would also. die as a result all of Natalie's loved. ones her parents her three brothers they. were all notified of her murder the only. person close to Natalie and her unborn. baby that wasn't notified was. Steven because he had been the one to. find her according to a court hearing. that took place Place March 6th the.

prosecution stated that Steven went over. to Natalie's house Monday night because. she wasn't responding to his messages he. got there around 10: p.m. so way more. than 24 hours since Natalie was last. seen and the police arrived ambulances. arrive after his 911 call it was too. late both Natalie and the baby they were. dead the crime scene was immediately. secured because I mean the whole thing. was just so clearly Foul Play She was. stabbed she was beaten this is clearly. murder and this is like the worst kind. of monster what kind of monster kills a.

pregnant woman what kind of monster. stabs a pregnant woman to death nothing. about it felt random it didn't feel like. a serial killer on the loose there was. no evidence of a Breakin it seems and. I'm not saying that that's any better. but it's scary to think that someone. knew Natalie knew how kind she was knew. that she was pregnant knew how excited. she was to have a. baby and killed her like that seems so. Sinister and so gross the state. pathologist would later state that. Natalie's initial findings of death.

included compression of the neck stab. wounds to the neck blunt force injuries. of the head she also had defensive. wounds which indicate that she fought. against her attacker in an effort to. spare her or her unborn child's. life the murder weapon the knife was. found near Natalie's body both Natalie. and the knife were found at the top of. the stairs in her home Natalie's father. would later say that when he went to ID. Natalie's body she was unrecognizable he.

said that the sheer anger and just. animosity that was represented in her. body was just not something anyone would. have expected she had broken bones in. her neck the full autopsy report has not. been made public but Natalie's father. has stated that it was a terrible death. and all he can hope for now is that she. died quickly the police Tred to calm the. public they're they're trying to. reassure everyone like don't worry in. this nice nice little neighborhood in. Ireland don't wor it we don't have a.

Sero killer this is not random they're. trying to reassure people by saying this. is not random nobody else is in danger. and very soon after that the police. released CCTV footage of a man walking. into Natalie's neighborhood carrying a. sack this is around 8:52 p.m. then at. 9:30 p.m. you can see the same man. walking out and I wait wait 8:52 to 9:30. yeah 38 minutes and I truly don't know. why it's the world's worst grain footage. it's kind of frustrating but at least.

there's footage a few interesting things. to note about the CCTV footage for one. you cannot see the man's face clearly. you cannot see it clearly and it doesn't. necessarily seem like they were trying. to hide their face per se but you can't. see their face second the man changes. clothes it seems like it's the same. person by their height their stature and. their gate like the way they walk but it. seems like when he's walking into the. neighborhood he's wearing maybe darker. colored clothes it looks like a set a. track set if you will and then when he's. walking out he's wearing a lighter.

colored set and another thing to note is. that the colors might not be accurate. because when it's dark CCTV cameras may. make something look like a white shirt. but it might not be white it might be. blue it might be a different color but. it's clear that he did change. clothes now lastly is the police. released this footage with the. presumption that this man either. committed the gruesome murder or had. knowledge of it and the way the man is. walking in the CCTV footage is just. Eerie because the police are under the. belief that this is the killer right but.

the way he's walking it's like he's. taking a nice leisurely walk to grab. some ice cream it doesn't look like he's. running away from a crime scene it. doesn't look like he's going to murder. someone he looks like he's got his. headphones in and just taken a nighttime. walk like it's very scary to think that. this is how someone walks away from a. murder that they just committed so the. person didn't drive or they parked the. car far away they took a bus they took a. bus a okay okay okay yeah so just again.

I don't know if this is hindsight but it. just reeks of entitlement like this walk. is a very entitled walk and it's very. scary so from this CCTV footage the. police gathered that this person seems. to be a younger male and they asked the. public if they could help ID the man in. the video and for a while nothing was. done about it I don't know if they just. couldn't identify the man in the video. if nobody could but the police were. stumped they had visited over 200 houses. in the area area asking if anyone saw.

anything at all that was remotely. suspicious they evaluated over 3,000. hours of CCTV footage they had taken. over 50 items into evidence Crim. Stoppers came out and offered a 20,000. reward for anyone with information that. could lead to an arrest and people the. police they kept reassuring the mcnali. family and the public that they were. doing absolutely everything to find the. killer but the MCN family and I have. just pure respect and admiration for. them because this is the hardest time of.

their lives and they got up every. morning and they made sure the world did. not forget about Natalie they went to. public appeals they held vigils protests. they wanted to spread awareness against. not just um not just for Natalie MC's. case but for violence against women I. think the community took it really hard. to know that a young woman's life was. taken in her own home that was shocking. but the fact that she was pregnant I. mean she's going through one of the most. arguably one of the most most vulnerable. yet beautiful stages that a person can.

go through pregnancy like creating a. child in her body it just adds to the. trauma that I think everyone felt the. police did start Gathering a few leads. the first round of evidence came from. Natalie's neighbors two of her neighbors. reported hearing a woman's scream from. inside Natalie's house at around 9:00. p.m. the night before now I imagine that. the scream was not as startling as one. would imagine maybe it's one of those. screams where you're like oh I wonder if. someone's having fun or if it's like.

someone's getting chased with a water. gun like you know how sometimes your. brain likes to make up these MH. scenarios so with this the police were. able to determine a possible time of. death for Natalie and with the CCTV. footage of the unknown man arriving and. then leaving the neighborhood from about. 8:52 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. they kind of. guesstimate that's when Natalie died and. I'm sure autopsy reports could further. verify that but that's where they're. going off of now now another interesting. thing to gather is that Natalie has just.

a love for Animals she has a lot of pets. she had this big German Shepherd and she. had a bunch of cats she was known to. constantly walk her German Shepherd. around the neighborhood and her cats. would kind of like stare out the window. waiting for her to return there's a lot. of cute videos of her with her pets but. the the pets are now a key piece of. evidence Natalie's neighbors stated that. her dog was quite protective of Natalie. she's a single woman living alone so. yeah a German Shepherd Great Choice. they're very very protective very family. oriented to dogs and not a single.

neighbor heard her dog barking during. the evening of December 18th and the dog. was home yes so indicating again that. whoever killed Natalie was potentially. close enough to Natalie and her dog that. their presence and arrival did not put. the dog on high alert and I don't know. because I I've never um had this. experience or tried it out but I do know. that my dogs are more on alert when we. have acquaintances come over versus if. we have the same people come over and we.

always like do like random things where. we might play the dogs are not on alert. because I think they're just used to. these people's presence so I think that. was the argument here now this isn't the. strongest piece of evidence but it did. confirm that they were on the right. track the police did not believe that. this was a random. attack this episode is sponsored by. better help this is a weird thought that. I had the other day I realized that. every week s every day I'm changing I'm.

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and then finally the last piece of. potentially bombshell information was. given by Steven the boyfriend who. discovered Natalie's crime scene Steven. told the police that he knew why she was. murdered okay and why is that her blink. has done this so Steph has just pointed. the finger and named someone as the. Killer and I don't know if it was a. stalker I don't know if it was an. ex-boyfriend but he verbally named. someone I mean the name has been r acted. for privacy reasons but it was just.

interesting the police are like okay. that's great thanks um we're going to. take note of that but you Stephen are. under arrest so the first night December. 19th when Steven had first discovered. Natalie's body he was arrested he found. Natalie's body he called the police he. was dating her she was pregnant and he's. pointing the finger at another guy the. minute the police show up at the. scene yeah they book him they arrest him. they book him and once they start. talking to him Steven is revealing that. he has an airtight Alibi oh it couldn't.

have been me because I was live. streaming on. YouTube so during the time of the murder. for 6 hours from 6:00 p.m. December 18th. to midnight December 18th now mind you. the police believe the murder happened. around. 9930 he was live streaming I mean for. the police to arrest someone like that. wouldn't you say there's some kind of. like. indicators if you someone find a crime. scene do they automatically arrest you. not really right he was um he was acting. very he was just very uncooperative is.

what they stated so for a partner who. just found his pregnant partner murdered. it didn't seem like he wanted to help. the police he just kept naming another. guy and he was just acting very. suspicious okay yeah so they went ahead. they booked him and he revealed his. Alibi it was airtight they went to his. YouTube channel checked it out sure. enough there's live stream called the. violent night Christmas live gaming. stream he was then released. they let Steven go he was cleared on all.

counts Steven would be home for. Christmas because he had an airtight. Alibi for when the murder took place so. soon after his release another arrest. was made and the suspect's identity has. not been released to the public it is. speculated by netizens that the person. may have been the man that Steven had. named the ex-boyfriend or a stalker of. some sort he was pointing the finger at. this guy and allegedly this guy was. arrested this of course is unconfirmed. we have no idea but that's the online. Theory and with these arrests and. releases and arrests and releases.

because that guy was released too there. with no information being given to the. public the MCN family I mean they're. getting frustrated it felt like the. police were losing Steam on this case it. honestly kind of felt like the police. were being L around in circles and they. were getting manipulated and they had no. idea what they were doing the MCN family. were worried that Natalie was just going. to be another forgotten name in this. long list of women who had been murdered. and there would be no justice Natalie's. father stated that anytime the phone. rings he prays it's the police he prays.

that they're one step closer to Justice. all he wants to hear is that whoever did. this to his little girl is off the. streets he wants to protect others he. just wants that person to be brought to. justice that is all natal's cousin. stated the person walked into Natalie's. home and took away everything for her. for her family for her partner he. doesn't deserve to be walking the. streets he deserves to be punished this. isn't just our family's problem as as a. community we need to make sure we're. doing everything we can to keep.

Natalie's name out there because until. he is caught who can be sure that he's. not going to do this to another innocent. woman the family refused to give up they. did not rest until media outlets and. news and all these people picked up. Natalie's case they held rallies to. raise awareness for violence against. women and they tried to spread Awareness. on basically this epidemic they wanted. to show people that we've had enough. like we should all have had enough by. now Rachel Coy helped organize the rally. she is Friends of the MCN family and she.

said about violence against women this. is all rooted in misogyny there is a. male sense of entitlement to women's. bodies and this is not something we're. going to tolerate any longer the tide is. turning Violence Against Woman must. end Dean Natalie's brother said he wants. Natalie to be remembered as this. beautiful fun person that she was. Natalie's mom said every inch of their. walls were filled with pictures of. Natalie just smiling at them the whole. family they wanted answers they wanted.

to know why but. also they just kind of wanted to meet. their future grandson um they named him. baby Dean so Natalie and baby Dean. Natalie's mom stated we were so excited. for the new year and now that's. gone everything is gone they held a. vigil in celebration of Natalie and baby. Dean the community came and they. released these pink and blue balloons.

[Music]. it was just a really emotional and. remember that soccer team that Natalie. was sported wearing their colors when. she was a kid and she was on the front. cover of the magazine they held a moment. of silence for Natalie it was what I. imagined to be a very heartbreaking. moment for the MCN family to see that.

Natalie was being celebrated by the very. team that she celebrated 20s something. years ago and I think it just goes to. show that Natalie was well-loved. supported and just this bright light in. this world and then finally a final. arrest was made in Natalie's case and I. feel like it's the type of news that. would just shatter anyone's hope in. humanity but it didn't for the mnal but. nobody would blame them if it did the. father of their unborn grandson now. Natalie's boyfriend the one that grieved.

with the family the one that showed up. to the rallies wearing pink the one that. found Natalie the one that was live. streaming when she was murdered was. arrested for her and Dean's. murders this is January 31st he was. arrested just this past January and. February 2nd he was officially charged. with their murders but how what happened. the first time the police checked his. airtight Alibi he was live streaming so. how can he be at two places at once. we'll talk about the live stream in a. second but let's first cover the basis.

Steven was released initially because he. had an alibi he was live streaming. around the time of Natalie's death the. police knew that they thought they. confirmed it but the more evidence they. uncovered the more all roads just kept. leading back to this guy the first being. that there was CCTV footage from a. TransLink bus yes the company that. Natalie used to work for and the bus. CCTV is in lisburn where Steven lives. the night of the 18th a male figure is. caught on camera entering the bus and.

he's pulled his hood all the way down he. has a scarf around his face it's just. very suspicious clearly he's trying to. hide his face but as he's trying to pay. for his bus Fair he drops a few coins he. has to lean down to pick it up and the. CCTV shows that he's wearing black. gloves I get it it's cold right really. thick black gloves and these gloves were. so thick that he couldn't even pinch the. coins off the bus floor it's odd right. but that's not even the odd part he. takes off his black GL and underneath. he's wearing like surgical rubber.

gloves that's really odd nobody just. walks around like that it's not even for. temperature control right like it's. weird and at the crime scene at. Natalie's place the police found bloody. glove prints that are similar to the. rubber gloves that this bus rider was. wearing on top of that the sack that. this guy on the bus is carrying is the. same greenish colored one as the one. being carried by the man on. CCTV what is this is a weapon in there. there probably a knife and clean up.

supplies okay so what does this all mean. the police are able to connect this man. on the bus in lisburn near Steven's. house and the bus is going towards. Natalie's place to the man entering and. exiting Natalie's neighborhood the night. of the murder it's the same man the time. of the man on the bus and the time of. the man walking into the neighborhood. were consistent meaning this person had. enough time to get off the bus get to. the neighborhood walk in so after he. leaves Natalie's neighborhood did he. take the bus back home no just a little.

bit after 9:30 p.m. a CCTV clip was. uncovered by a cab driver near Natalie's. house and the cab driver picked up a man. the taxi was actually reserved for. someone else but as the driver was. waiting for that person this unknown man. seized his opportunity and was like. begging you need to take me home please. just cancel your other right my mom is. sick mind you if this is stepen Steven. had lost his parents in 2014 so that. would have been just a complete lie the. driver felt bad. decided to cancel his previous ride and.

take this guy home the police were able. to track GPS data of the taxi leader and. it confirmed it stopped right outside. Steven's house and coincidentally 3. minutes after the taxi arrived in front. of Steven's house Steven's phone was. manually powered back on meaning he had. manually turned it off during the time. of the murders and to add to that the. taxi driver was able to ID Steven in a. police lineup he said that's the guy I. took back home to his place he said he.

remembered Steven very well because. Steven had to run inside his house to. grab some extra cash to cover the bill. for the fair so it wasn't like a. Mindless trip of like oh it one of. many now Steven's attorneys have come. out to argue against the taxi driver and. they stated that the taxi driver's. testimony can't be used because the taxi. driver admitted to seeing Steven's face. on the news before the police line up. but that's neither here nor there right. now another piece of evidence was the. police so far have a rough idea of. motive they found Natalie had exchanged.

close to 30 messages with an. ex-boyfriend the police believed that. this was the Catalyst that pushed Steven. over the edge and the night before the. murder remember how Natalie was spending. the night at Steven's place on Saturday. night the police could verify that. Natalie's phone had been unlocked nine. times throughout the night so I guess to. them this might indicate that Steven had. went through her phone the night before. saw these messages it's been confirmed. by Natalie's family that Natalie had. given St in her phone password so. there's no way to confirm who unlocked.

Natalie's phone Saturday night but the. prosecutors believe that was his motive. now side note it doesn't really matter. if she was texting her ex-boyfriend or. not it doesn't really matter the nature. of the text messages but I do want to. disclaim that we don't know the nature. of these text messages they could have. very well been they were talking about. very platonic things it could have been. very well that they were reind. rekindling their relationship it just. really doesn't matter there's no reason. to find something in anyone's phone and. then commit murder but this still does. not address the live streaming Alibi.

forensic teams realized that Steven had. faked his live stream which I'm not sure. why you need a whole forensics team to. figure that one out and why it took so. long that's kind of terrifying but. basically Steven's live stream on. December 18th was pre-recorded he. pre-recorded a video making it look like. a live stream but it was a pre-recorded. video file and then he just played that. file during his stream so you know how. you can watch videos during your stream. you can like full screen it he just full.

screened that video file during his. stream so it looked like he was live. streaming it's just his face in the. corner and he's playing a game but it's. just a video file it's not actually live. he even made an excuse at the beginning. of the stream that he could not interact. with the chat which is kind of the main. purpose of live streaming is to have. real time interactions he said that he. was having technical issues so he could. not interact with the chat Steven. admitted that he did pre-record the. sucess live stream a few days earlier on. December 15th and the fact that Steven.

hadn't live streamed on YouTube for over. a year and suddenly randomly live. streamed December 18th that made it for. the prosecutors and the police it made. it just feel all that more. premeditated it seemed like he wanted to. live stream for the sole purpose of. creating what he thought was an airtight. Alibi allegedly so a few days ago he. stream for 6. hours and every minute of that 6 hour is. just a fake Alibi that that he's making. yes that is so Sinister he what's even.

more Sinister is that he even titled it. the violent night Christmas gaming. stream the description of the live. stream reads celebrate the most joyous. time of year by watching a drunk Mash. buttons on a controller as if he's some. sort of expert then go mental after. failing miserably dot dot dot all in. real time Merry Christmas now it gets. worse Steven is being accused of leaving. subtle and Sublime messages like little.

Easter eggs to what he was allegedly. actually doing that night prosecutors. have said that he left Brazen and. taunting hidden messages in the. pre-recorded Liv stream so let's go over. some of them which side note remember. how he stated he couldn't respond and. interact with chat because of technical. issues well by all means Talk Amongst. yourselves I could use my phone to dip. in every now and again and uh check it. but I've decided that I kind of hate. live streams where people just sit and.

read comments and go oh my god he has. ask me questions he also states he. doesn't want to check live chat on his. phone cuz you can watch your own Live on. YouTube so let's say I'm live streaming. on my computer I can go into my phone. and YouTube go to YouTube and see the. live chat and respond through my like. I'm reading the comments on my phone and. I'm responding to the live chat like. this okay if you can't see it on your. computer you could always pull up a. second device he says that he doesn't. want to check the live chat on his phone.

because he doesn't want to be one of. those annoying streamers that just. stares at the chat and says ask me. questions guys plus he says that his. phone will crash the internet service. because the whole setup isn't great but. we do know that his phone was turned off. during the time of the murder and wasn't. turned back on until after Natalie's. murder but here on his fake Liv stream. his phone is. on mhm so the timeline is already not. adding on yeah so it's clear that it's. pre-recorded it doesn't Co side with. just any of the data that they're.

getting from the the cell phone towers. another thing to note is during his live. stream Stephen keeps checking to see. that he's still live and it's really. disturbing when you know that this was. pre-recorded and it wasn't a. pre-recorded live like he wasn't live so. throughout the live stream he hints at. the fact that he's drinking while. streaming oh okay side note about the. whole um pretending to think that he's. live he'll he'll keep going like am I am. I still live and then he just kind of. checks and he's like oh okay thank God. uh streaming software is it streaming.

yes it is oh thank God uh in. fact I am I'm still live. good throughout the live stream he also. hints at the fact that he's drinking. while streaming he mentioned that he's. going to be staying home all night. because he's been drinking so he can't. leave he's like the only drinking and. driving I'll be doing is in the game cuz. he's playing Grand Theft Auto he also. says the amount of police we've lost. over the years is frightening and crime. is on the rise that's why I stick to. committing crimes in video games it is.

such a weird thing to say when you know. what's going on I mean it's unclear why. he said it was he feeling like he needed. to emphasize what a good person he was. that he only commits crimes on video. games did he think that maybe the police. would watch this and go oh the guy is. pro police let's let him off or was he. just flaunting that police forces were. dwindling in Manpower recently so it's. the perfect time to commit a crime now. through the course of the live stream. around 9:00 p.m. which is when the. police believe is the time of death. Steven in this pre-recorded live stream.

that's playing at the same time as the. vicious crime he takes on a side quest a. side mission on Grand Theft Auto that. you really don't have to take so. technically this Mission does not. Advance him further in the game it it. doesn't seem like there's really any. objective it's like a side quest and it. was titled quote waste the wife Mission. his quest is to kill a woman and make it. look like an accident and while he's. trying to complete his side quest he's. heard saying I need to kill this [ __ ] I.

need to take her down because if I don't. I won't get past this Mission if I don't. get her to die F la la la la la I need. to kill this I need to take her down cuz. I won't post the mission if I don't get. this [ __ ] to. die he also says time is of the essence. I nearly got the [ __ ] one more hit on. the head and that would have been her. lovely stuff that's what we like to.

see he also States should be easy I have. made my entire life look like an. accident make her look like an. accident well that's all right I've made. my entire life look like. one also throughout the 6-hour stream. naturally Steven takes a break every. hour or so to grab a drink use the. restroom you get it and during the. majority of his breaks he would just. have a Graphic saying that the live. stream would continue on soon it's like. a graphic and it says live stream. continuing soon or something.

specifically around 9:15 p.m. the screen. was replaced with a promotional photo of. a James Bond movie and it was no time to. die that's what it was called it says no. time to die and it's James Bond it just. briefly flashed on the screen exactly. around the time that Natalie was. suspected to have been murdered meaning. allegedly during Natalie's murder Steven. was fake live streaming completing a. side quest of killing a woman and making. it seemed like an accident and a. promotional poster that said no time to.

die was shown on. screen and that was put on by him on. purpose yes and I'll tell you why. because if it was an accident he could. have edited it out it wasn't. live also if you've ever live streamed. that's a very bizarre accident to happen. like you're literally placing a graphic. on the screen and Steven would later be. seeing on screen saying that the poster. no time to die was a mistake he said he. pulled his controller and headphone off.

the computer it hit the keypad and. that's why this no time to die poster. flashed on the screen he said it was a. terrible eror I just sat down and I. pulled the controller and the headphones. off the table which hit the keypad which. um it's apparently hot keys are still. connected so it um it went onto. something else for a little second. prosecutors say that's literally. impossible it's also pre-recorded so if. it was a terrible error he could have.

edited out it almost seemed like he was. taunting someone it almost seemed like. it just felt so entitled and Brazen and. it's like he's leaving weird Easter eggs. another part he's trying to say. something about physics like you know. how in GTA your car is going all these. places and technically that's not how a. car would behave in the real world right. and he's he's saying oh that wouldn't. happen in the real world ABS nly but he. says and he repeats himself ABS.

nauy uhhuh yeah that's that's physics. that's that's what would happen in the. real world abs of [ __ ]. nly ABS [ __ ] nly and he kind of looks. at the camera and it's just this really. bizarre Eerie moment and again at this. point when he's pre-recording this video. he's already planning her murder because. he's pre-recording his Alibi. allegedly it's not like he's pre-filming.

YouTube videos it's like alive he. started the video pretending it's alive. it's not a pre-recorded YouTube video. this is not a normal thing to do so we. can imagine allegedly he already had her. murder in mind and he's saying these. things there are a lot of other bizarre. unsettling moments on the stream in one. part he says attack panic attack and he. almost has this nod to the camera with a. smirk. and it's almost this moment of like I. know you're watching this and it's.

really. unsettling attack panic attack that's. what we're. doing he also goes on a brief tangent. about how Christmas time makes him. nostalgic he tells his viewers to reach. out to people they have not reached out. to in a long time he states that he's. alone he doesn't have many friends left. but he says quote text someone Merry. Christmas and how are things someone who. you just haven't spoken to in a long. time send them a little text he also. goes on a mini tangent of how much he. loves the people that he loves in his.

life he says that he doesn't have a lot. of loved ones but the ones he loves he. loves them with all his heart it's. really gross it feels like he's. mentioning this to solidify this like. nice guy persona I don't have too many. loved ones in my life but the ones I. love I love with all my heart at least. I've got that going for me not too long. after he's screaming into the camera I. will kill you alling hell what the does. it fing take you bastards I will kill. you. with. fire fing hell what does it take what is.

it take what the does it. take [ __ ] all of you you bastards he. also States Christmas is about passing. love onto a younger generation he says. and I quote uh hinting at his unborn. child and I think that's something I'm. looking forward to doing more than. anything else really Merry Christmas. everyone and it's um it's a time that we. look forward to and we get excited about.

whenever we're young and then as we get. older We Get Much More cynical and stuff. like that and then we reach a stage. where we realize it's not about us. anymore it's about the the younger. generation and it's about keeping that. that love alive and and passing it on. and I think that's that's something I'm. looking forward to doing more than. anything else really there are other. parts where Steven mentions that this. year is going to be a great [ __ ]. Christmas and he looks at the camera and.

he looks distracted as he's saying it. and as if he's thinking about something. and then he states that he's horribly. distracted and he continues gaming again. with this smk on his face I actually. think it'll it'll be a really good. Christmas this year but yes sorry I'm. I'm getting horribly distracted he also. cryptically drops this message he says. I'm making the most of my free time. while I still have it making the most up. in free time now while I still got it. there are other unsettling parts of the. live stream where he talks about how.

again crime is on the rise and just the. way he says things are so unsettling. another part he runs over a female NPC. and he says I did hit you and I liked it. he also has a cryptic message about how. he wants to get back into gaming but his. efforts will be used elsewhere this. coming year trying to get back into my. gaming again but uh that's not going to. be a thing come next year because um my. efforts shall be. involved elsewhere in my life I mean is.

he referencing The Unborn Child that he. was allegedly murdering at the time was. he referencing jail it's very strange. just the whole thing is very creepy. watching it over there are so many parts. where he keeps trying to sell the fact. that it's Sunday December 18th and that. this is live when it's not he tries to. emphasize his beers nonstop he keeps. talking about his beers and how he's. going to pass out after this live stream. and how he's only going to be drunk. driving in the game and not in real life. I just realized I'm literally going to. be drinking and driving in the game by.

the way I'm I'm not leaving the house. tonight so um yeah in the game I will be. drunk while driving in the game in. another bizarre part Steven says oh F. off you don't know me you don't know. what I've suffered I'm going to go [ __ ]. up me life even when he would say how. are you guys doing here and there it. felt like he was mocking his viewers. knowing that this wasn't live and nobody. would be aware at the time at the end he. says I think I'm going to wrap wrap this. up I'm going to wrap up the stream with. none of you watching at all I think I'll.

wrap up this stream with none of you. watching at all and I think you know in. the Stream it's supposed to come off as. like nobody has stayed the full 6 hours. but it's just I don't know the fact that. you pre-recorded that and you said those. specific words forensic teams were able. to verify that this was a pre-recorded. video that was deleted from Steven's. computer 5 minutes after the Live. finished which is interesting if you ask. me uh. oh okay okay so the pre-recorded video.

was on his computer December 18th he. does the live stream with the video it. ends around midnight when he's already. allegedly home it gets deleted off his. computer another thing to note December. 19th Steven uploaded a video this is. before he found Natalie's body and it's. about a Mandalorian lightsaber Squad toy. review this is the day after the murder. and I'm assuming I'm assuming allegedly. if Steven did commit the murder he. knowingly knew that he needed to act.

normal before he discovered Natalie's. body but the fact that he still uploaded. a video like it doesn't seem like he's a. daily poster so it's just very bizarre. like this is the same person that. allegedly killed his pregnant girlfriend. the night before and this is how. affected he sounds he's ranting and. screaming about how much he hates that. toy in the video the police also stated. that Steven's Behavior after his initial. arrest he was just uncooperative so all. these pieces of evidence they start to. unravel and finally Steven was charged. with Natalie McNally's murder the trial.

has yet to begin Steven has been denied. bail and it was in this bail hearing. that something very Sinister came out. the prosecutor said that they were going. through Steven's phone and as a part of. evidence of course and they realized. that during the grieving process Steven. had gone over to Natalie's parents'. house to be around her parents and to to. go through this. emotional roller coaster of. and just processing all of this and he.

had left his phone there the MCN parents. can verify this and he had come back. later to grab it he's like oh sorry I. left my phone well the prosecutors found. out that Steven left it there on purpose. because he was recording audio with his. phone he wanted to see what the family. thought at the moment he wanted to see. if they suspected him which can you even. imagine the level of trauma that that. that imposes on the MCN family not only. did this evil monster allegedly take. their child and their grandchild away. from them but he had the the audacity to. pretend to be grieving with them he he.

had the audacity to use their kindness. to come into their home to to cry with. them and then leave his phone on purpose. so he could spy on them get sick side. note about sick Steven posted a photo of. his mom in January of 2023 before his. second arrest and the caption early. reads 9 years gone today cherish the. women in your lives their absence makes. you realize how much you learned from. them and how strong they were for you. mothers matter make sure they know that.

before it's too late rest in. peace now back to the recording of the. mcnali family the judge said what Steven. did by recording Natalie's parents was. and I quote a heinous way of interfering. with grieving parents like all of us. judge Waters believes it's a gross. invasion of the family's privacy the. judge actually felt enough concerned. that whatever Steven had heard in his 40. minutes secret audio recording against. the family if he had found something.

that he deemed inappropriate or he. deemed not okay maybe he would go after. the family like we don't know what this. man is capable of we don't know if he. had murdered Natalie allegedly cuz you. know innocent till proven guilty. but the judge did not want to put the. MCN family in more Harm's Way so the. bail was rightfully denied Steven's. defense attorney tried to appeal this by. saying the only crime that Steven. committed was lying to his YouTube. audience they stated that St lied to his. audience by making them believe that he. was alive but he was alive but that's.

not a crime YouTubers pre-film videos. all the time Steven seems to also have. invented a new man that came to his. house because everyone's like well then. explain the taxi dropping off a man. right in front of your house the night. of the murderer he basically said that. wasn't him that wasn't him on the bus. that wasn't him in the taxi a man did. come to visit him in his house but they. like got the wrong address he has not. released who this imaginary man is I. mean allegedly imaginary man but either. way the judge believes Steven should not.

be let out and believes that the murder. of Natalie and her baby was meticulously. planned so the next court hearing is on. March 24th and at this point there's no. further updates on the case in Ireland. they're really good about keeping a lot. of information private until the trials. but I think the pressing question on a. lot of people's minds. is why did he do it and I don't know if. we'll ever know the answer to that and I. don't know if there is an answer to that. because there's never a Justified answer. to murder so whatever answer we get it's.

just not going to be legitimate but. there are theories online of why Steven. allegedly committed the crime the first. theory is that he wasn't ready for a. child and he felt the only way to get. out of his responsibilities was to. murder Natalie and the child a lot of. people back this Theory with the idea. that Steven is chronically online. stating that Steven seems like the type. of person that has no idea about the. real world or real life consequences. he's been online for so long he has. spent so much time on the internet that.

maybe he thinks that's how the real. world Works he could get away with this. another theory is that Steven might have. thought that the child was not. biologically his child since the couple. recently started dating I don't know. that's a theory that's not an. explanation or an excuse um I do believe. as of right now it's been verified or it. is said that Steven was the biological. father but if it later comes out that. he's not that still doesn't change. anything. I I I don't see how that even matters. another theory is is more on par with.

what the prosecutors have mentioned. which is maybe Steven found Natalie. texting an ex which again we don't know. if these are completely normal text. messages or if they were romantic and. either way it doesn't matter but it's a. theory that Steven became incredibly. violent and possessive after finding. those messages and it might have hurt. Natalie that she was pregnant but then. if they he recorded the live stream days. ago yeah that means this is already in. the plan it's not like the night before. he saw the text message and boom here we.

go so um it the running theory is that. maybe he had seen text messages before. and then the night before he found more. but Natalie being pregnant might have. made everything worse um I'm trying to. word it correctly because that sounds. like it's Natalie's fault and it's not. this is just like the disturbing world. that we live in and it's it's a public. health concern that needs to be talked. about domestic violence against pregnant. women is the statistic. are shocking in the US half of all.

female homicide victims are killed by. intimate Partners half of all women who. are murdered are killed by their. intimate. partners and a vast majority of these. cases are carried out by a male intimate. partner but not only that women are at. an increased risk of experiencing. violence from their Partners during. pregnancy not less more increased a. survey done showed that of the people.

who said they experienced violence from. their previous partner while pregnant. 25% of them said it started during. pregnancy which is terrifying to even. soak in those statistics and the idea. that there are people out there that get. violent around their pregnant Partners. have you ever been around someone who's. pregnant like my sister was recently. pregnant twice and just the sheer level. of anxiety I feel around her I'm like. constantly worrying that she's going to. slip on something that's how normal. people should think some theories are. that because pregnancy is identified as.

a time of self autonomy typically women. have um a lot of awareness their Mind. Body Connection typically tends to get. deeper or or for people that are. pregnant sorry uh tends to get deeper. when they're pregnant their Partners. seek to destroy this newfound strength. strengthened feeling that they have with. themselves when they're pregnant and. more often than not pregnant people will. become also more preoccupied with their. baby that's growing inside of them than. being available to their Partners some.

male Partners may even view the unborn. baby as a threat that once the baby is. born the mother will focus on the child. more than they will on them which can. lead to an increase in violence or. sometimes they are less available for. sexual activities or less available to. do housework or less available to tend. to the male needs and that is why they. tend to get even more violent during. pregnancy some studies show that Violent. Men tend to get hyper violent and Hyper. aggressive during a woman's pregnancy.

and they will become even more. possessive of their Partners I guess. it's just these Violent Men they feel. like they've lost their entitlement and. free access to their partner's body. because I think when people become. pregnant it's not even about their. bodies anymore you know so I think you. see a lot of toxic male partners that. are like oh I want to engage in sexual. activities right now and maybe maybe in. the past this person has been they don't. want to do it but maybe maybe they do it. because the repercussions are too high. but when you do have another baby that.

you're caring for you're carrying. another human life inside of you you. become so protective you're like no I. don't care what you say I'm not doing it. because it could hurt my child there are. also instances where um male Partners. will feel fear for the future and. uncertainty and they will take it out by. becoming violent with their partners and. here's a statistic that's very. terrifying to think about women in the. US who are pregnant or who have recently. given birth are more likely to die from. murder than to die from pregnancy.

related. complications as a pregnant woman in the. US you are more likely to be killed by. an intimate partner than you are at risk. of dying from hypertensive disorders. hemorrhaging sepsis pregnancy related. complications I'm like so infuriated. like this is a health emergency it's a. Public Health crisis it's a disease and. to to further prove the point that. people need to start changing there was. a rdit comment that I stumbled on and it.

was boiling my blood so much someone. commented about Natalie the victim in. this case also I wouldn't be so quick to. jump to conclusions about the girlfriend. being innocent the baby could not have. been. Stevens as if in like I don't even know. how that makes sense in someone's mind. how does that even dictate innocence or. not how do you even use that as a. justification of murder Natalie's. parents were devast stated they said. that they had even let Steven take 20. minutes alone with Natalie's body before.

she was put to rest this was the day. after Christmas they believed he was a. grieving partner they believed he should. have the right to say his goodbyes to. his girlfriend but also to his unborn. child he cried and said that he he was. so sad they had plans to purchase a. future home together and raise their. family and now the MCN parents they're. just haunted at the thought of what. Steven might have done or what he might. have felt in those 20 minutes being. alone with Natalie but more importantly.

the MCN parents they lost Natalie they. lost their grandbaby Dean and they said. moving forward they just want to focus. on advocating for violence against women. because that's what Natalie would have. done I'm going to link a few. organizations that I personally have. supported in the past and um I I really. like what they do I think that you. should always do your own research make. sure that they align with what you're. looking for but I I think that as. someone if you're interested in True. Crime and the psychology behind of why. people do what they do and hear these. stories it's equally as important to.

support the victims and just work on. creating a system that's just makes it. harder for people to commit these crimes. because those pregnancy statistics those. domestic violence statistics just shook. me to my core so please make sure to. check out the organizations Linked In. the description unfortunately during the. course of Natalie's investigation three. more Irish women were killed one of them. was also pregnant and a lot of the. people in the Community they're just fed. up they're fed up with the violence. against women with women being murdered.

and the world moving on again until the. next woman is murdered a close friend of. Natalie said the path Natalie took was. full of joy and success and it was about. to get even better with the growing life. inside of her her little boy Dean you. Steven allegedly put an end to all of. that you selfishly decided for some. unknown reason that Natalie's life and. her exciting future was less important. than whatever your deranged motives that. night the life that you took mattered. the life inside of her mattered their.

future mattered the hopes and dreams of. her family and friends mattered I will. never understand what possessed you to. do what you did and I will never but I. hope you know that Natalie was more. loved and had made more of an impact on. this world than you can ever imagine. Natalie has an army of supporters across. the country who will not rest until you. are held accountable when you've been. caught and punished you will be. forgotten Natalie however will never be. forgotten her Legacy of laughter and joy.

will live on long after your sorry life. comes to an. end and now the youngest of not Le Three. Brothers nuts as we called her was the. only girl in our family and we treated. her like a. princess she lived and coped with being. a diabetic from a really early age and. as a result we were so protective of her. and treat her like a precious. egg and yet she was a fiercely. independent woman my two Brothers. Brandon and dlin and I are completely. devastated that she's no longer with us.

and I really can't believe you'll never. see her beautiful smile or hear in fact. laugh. again I cannot actually put into words. the heartache we're experiencing she was. a life and soul of our family and we are. heartbroken she will not be sitting. around the table of us this Christmas. day or any day and the only truth to. come out of Steven's live stream that. night December 18th is when he says I. tried to be clever and I myself because. I'm not clever I'm actually just a. stupid piece of in a t-shirt that really.

needs to be washed I try to be clever. and myself cuz uh I'm not clever I'm. actually just a stupid piece of in a. t-shirt that really needs to be washed. and that is the current ongoing case of. Natalie MCN please stay safe out there. and I will see you guys on Wednesday for. the main episode bye.