Woman Lures Boys into Public Bathroom to SA Them, Secretly Recorded for Her Husband to Edit

Bada bing, bada boom. >> There is no way to anticipate a stomach. drop moment even when you're on a roller. coaster. I mean, I guess you can. anticipate it, but you can't really time. it exactly. Nor can you prevent it just. because you know it's coming. I feel. like there have been times on roller. coasters where you think if you clench. as hard as possible, you're not going to. feel it, but you're going to. That. stomach drop feeling, you're going to. feel it. It's because your abdominal. organs are not bolted to your skeleton. They're essentially in place [music].

thanks to gravity. But when you're at. the top of a roller coaster plunging. downward, you enter near freef fall. The. seat stops [music] pushing you up and. for a second or two, you are effectively. weightless. So that's why your stomach. feels like it's dropping because it it. kind of is. This is a very. oversimplified explanation that I'm sure. some doctor out there is going to be. upset about. But that same feeling, interestingly, happens when you receive. really bad, dreaded news that you were.

not expecting. Even if you're expecting. some bad news, but it's not the exact. kind that you're expecting, your stomach. could still have that dropping feeling. I mean technically it's weird because. there's no physical movement in the body. but somehow your brain classifies. something as a threat and within seconds. you enter fight orflight mode which. means blood is yanked from your gut. adrenaline cortisol they divert the. blood from the digestive tract to your. heart your [music] brain and your limb. muscles. Basically when you enter fight. orflight your system has evolved to.

handle physical threats by shutting down. digestion and it's actually the. stillness of your stomach. When you are. in a normal mode, your stomach, there's. constant rhythm that you may not even. consciously notice because you're. constantly digesting. But when you have. that instant moment of maybe it lasts. even a fraction of a second, everything. stills in your [music] stomach. And it's. because we were evolved that we would. shut down digestion because if you were. to sprint away from imminent danger, digesting lunch is a luxury that fleeing.

animals cannot afford. And that. stillness feels like a stomach drop. July 20th, 2026. So this year, body cam. footage is uploaded to YouTube. It's not. like one of those deep dive cases. It's. more so one of those channels that. uploads body cam footage without adding. in much commentary. So they're not also. simultaneously going through the FOIA. like a lot of really good channels do. They just kind of upload the footage, make some small comments, but that's. about it. The body cam footage includes.

a young woman being arrested. She's. quite hysterical about her arrest. If. you guys let me have my phone on the. thing, I can open it. You guys can talk. to her. >> Let's go ahead and get back to the back. seat just so we're not making a show for. the neighbors. All right. >> She acts like this is complete and utter. nonsense. It's coming as a shock to her. as if there is not video. The police. have found of her essaying a [music]. 13-year-old boy in a public restroom. that she recorded and then handed it off. to her husband who [music] then edited.

the video. Why do you need to edit this. video? I mean, first of all, why do you. have this video? But why do you need to. edit the video? But she's almost shocked. that the police are putting her in. handcuffs. >> That's That's the male in middle school. The same year he had sex with him in the. bathroom. >> I didn't know it is different. >> That body cam footage does not gain a. lot of attention. It's short. There's. not a lot of publicly available. information out there. And aside from. her very bizarre shock and aside from.

that, there's not much else to the. footage [music] that you can dive deeper. into. Or at least that's what people. thought. A few months later, we were on. a call with a girl named Talia in what. we thought would be completely unrelated. matters. Turns out it wasn't. She was. explaining to us that she was watching. one of our videos and she says, quote, "Not exactly sure the title, but it was. a sitdown interview with a woman about a. similar situation about her mom and her. mom's boyfriend. I remember watching it. and it really helped me just to be able.

to have conversations with even my. therapist. It takes a moment and then. she says, I think the title of the. episode was her parents were. pedophiles." That freef fall moment is. made even worse when the connection. between the body cam footage [music]. without much detail of this woman and. this 13-year-old boy in the videos. recorded in the public restroom when all. of that and Talia's story start merging. together and they're all involved. This. is the case of John and Brianna Nethers.

and why the hell it took so long to. catch them. >> [music]. >> We would like to thank today's sponsors. who have made it possible for Rotten. Mango to directly support a survivor in. today's case. This episode's.

partnerships have also made it possible. to support Rotten Mingo's team of. dedicated researchers. We'd also like to. thank you guys for your continued. support. As always, full show notes are. available at rottenopodcast.com. Please take breaks if you need to for. this episode. There's going to be quite. a few mentions of grooming, essay, CSA, cam, and one or two brief mentions of. animal cruelty. Please watch with. discretion and prioritize your health. Talia is not the real name of the. survivor that we spoke to. We have given. her a pseudonym so she can have more.

privacy going through the legal process. of this. We were also able to do as much. verification as possible with the FOIA. that we received on our end, but this is. an active and open case. There was a lot. of verifying that we did with Talia, but. it is unraveling in court. And like any. other case, until someone is proven. guilty in the court of law, they are. innocent until proven guilty. So, with. that being said, let's begin. We get an. overwhelming amount of emails in a.

single day, which I think is a huge. privilege for us to have that many. people trust us with what's happening in. their lives. But with every email that. the RM team goes through, we do take a. lot of time to figure out ways to be of. use, if we are even of [music] use to. people to respond and to also vet the. information. One recent email that we've. received reads [music] in part, "This. might come as a strange email. Talia, the author of the email, says, "I was. sexually abused for about 5 to 6 years. as a child, from when I was around 6 and.

7 years old to up until I was about 12. years old by my mother's boyfriend. [music] at the time. She was not aware. and I was too scared to tell her until. we were completely out of the. situation." She says that she and her. mother initially went to the police, made a report, that case is dropped and. then nothing happens for 8 to 9 years. So Talia is early 20s now. Nothing. happens. There's nothing being done, nothing being investigated until almost. a decade later. Now, it's been eight, nine years. Add a few years on top of.

that, a detective picks up the case, and. then it gets dropped again until 3. months before this [music] email is. sent. Out of nowhere, another detective. calls Talia asking if she's going to be. willing to testify against the man who. abused her. But there was no. investigation done into her abuse. And. he's not even charged with anything that. had to do with Talia, which means what. else did he do? And who else did he. hurt? Talia's original email to us was. not even asking for really anything. Like, she wasn't asking for help. She.

wasn't asking for trying to get the. police involved. She was just saying. like, "Your videos helped a lot while I. was going through this process, and now. it seems like there's going to be. justice." And we decided that we had to. reach out and figure out what's going. on. We were given the names of the two. individuals in the email as well as. Talia linked some news articles about. their arrest. So she told us that she. was abused by John Nethers as a child. for years. Like she's 6 to 12 years old. She's abused by this man repeatedly. being essayed by the person who was.

trying to be her stepdad. Not that she. ever saw him as a father figure, but the. charges that he has been arrested for. are not those crimes. So the first thing. we did is a precursory search into the. two names we were given. The first news. article about them is a local news. station. Licking County couple indicted. for child sex charges after secretly. taping minors in restroom. The article. reads in part, "A Licking County couple. was indicted Thursday for CCM charges. after they allegedly taped sexual. encounters involving minors in a public.

restroom. 43-year-old John Nethers and. 23-year-old Brianna Nethers were. arrested when Newark police served a. search warrant in connection with a rape. and CCAM investigation. John Nethers is. who Talia named in the email. But who. the hell is Briana Nethers? I mean, clearly it's his wife. They're married, but is that all? According to our online. research, Briana Nethers, the wife, would hide a camera on her purse. Like a. button camera. It looks like a button. lure a 13-year-old boy into the public.

restroom where [music] they would quote. engage in sexual activity. The whole. thing is being recorded by a hidden. camera in her purse. She also apparently. set up a hidden camera. She would go. into the women's restroom. So, this is. without the 13-year-old. She would go. into public women's restrooms and throw. her purse on the dirty bathroom floor so. that it can see up the stalls [music]. next to her and record whoever is in. there. It appears the target were girls, minors. The criminal complaint reads. that some of the videos they found,

quote, "One video depicts defendant. Brianna entering public restroom in. Newark and setting up a hidden camera. hidden on her purse. Defendant Brianna. then goes and finds a young male, which. she brings to the bathroom and does. something sexual with him. NPD was able. to identify the male in the video, and. he was a 13-year-old juvenile." The. other video shows defendant Brianna. placing the hidden camera on her purse. on the floor in a public restroom. The. video shows her manipulating the camera. to view the stall besides her. The video. is 13 minutes in length and shows.

several women using the bathroom. Several of the people depicted are. prepubescent females depicted in a state. of nudity. Then John, the husband, would. take the footage from the hidden cameras. and then he would edit them on his. laptop like he's creating some sort of. sick and twisted movie. That is what Jon. and Briana Nethers get arrested for. when Talia has spent the past decade. trying to get the police to open an. investigation into John Nethers and now. they want her to potentially testify. against him. But why didn't the police. investigate him sooner? I started.

looking into the two social media. accounts, one for Johns and for. Briannas, although they have different. social media handles. Brianna Nothers. was an OAF model. Her Only Fans account. seems to have been taken down since her. arrest, but I did go through her ex. account and it is a lot of what you. would imagine, just videos of her. promoting her Only Fans account. I mean, logistically speaking, there are some. videos I don't quite understand. Like, okay, so there are videos from her ex. account and John Nethers' Tik Tok where.

it seems like both of them are very much. into the gym life. They're gym buffs. They go and they work out in what. appears to be a real public gym or at. least one of those membership gyms, LA. Fitness, Equinox, whatever have you, right? It doesn't seem to be a private. gym. I'm like looking at all the. corners. It doesn't look like a gym in. someone's garage. It doesn't look like a. gym in someone's basement. It looks like. a public gym. But Brianna is just doing. barbell squats with a small tiny sports. bra and a thong. >> What? >> Yeah. I which seems not only a little.

uncomfortable, it just seems more than a. little unhygienic. And as for John. Nethers, much of his social media. presence is his photography business. The closest thing to describing his. photography might be budoir, but really, I mean, I do feel like that's like an. insult to modern budoir photography. Budoir is intimate and sensual pictures. of individuals in a very private. setting. So, opposed to like a family. photo in front of a pumpkin patch or. like wearing all white in front of the.

annual beach vacation, it's usually just. one person in their bedroom or a set. that looks like a bedroom or a bathtub. perhaps. Maybe wearing lingerie. So, not. completely nude, but sometimes it can. also be like an unbuttoned dress shirt. without a bra, a little side boob, anything that feels very flirty but not. super editorial. So, it doesn't feel. like Playboy, but it also doesn't feel. like Vogue. The It is supposed to be. sensual. It's supposed to hit that.

feeling, and it's usually picked by the. subject of the shoot themselves. That is. a big part of modern budoir. It's. supposed to be empowering for the. subject of the shoot. This is definitely. different from budoir's origins. It. seems to have started as a version of. semi-nude or soft explicit content. produced solely for men. So back then. women were paid to undress pose and the. picture was a product for men. But now. budoir photography has completely. evolved into very empowering and.

passionate self-expression. Now women. are paying a photographer so that they. can have these photos and they decide. who sees the photos, what to do with the. photos. There's even a trend on Tik Tok. which I mean has been a trend for ages. but it's a modern take on the budoir. photos where the Tik Tok is a groom's. reaction. So throughout the wedding, either the bridesmaids or the bride. herself will hand polaroids or budoir. photoshoot pictures printed to the groom. throughout the wedding. Yeah. But it's.

it's like a cute little surprise. And I. think that's like the most common trend. for budoir photography. And these Tik. Toks, they get millions of views, not. because the photos are being shown, but. it's just the groom's reaction to the. partners that feel very very special. So. it's it's about being empowered by your. own sensuality. A lot of examples of. people I mean I was deep in the Reddit. threads. Other people who do budoir uh. photos are women who feel that they are. approaching an age where they just want. to remember what they looked like when.

they were a bit younger or even women. who have survived breast cancer or. double masectomies might take these. budoir style photos as a way to come. back into their body and their. sexuality. There's no partner required. It's just a very empowering moment. Sometimes it's not even the photos that. help. Some people report on Reddit, it's. just the process of posing in a. comfortable space with a photographer. that helps you showcase your beauty. And. that's budoir, which is a very stark. contrast to John Nether's [music] work.

Like maybe it's hindsight, maybe it's. just my personal opinion. I'm not a. professional photographer, nor do I know. the ins and outs of each photography. genre. But frankly, I think the way that. he shoots budois does not feel. empowering. [music] Just looking at the. photos of the half naked woman on his. page, I feel like I shouldn't be. looking. You know that quote that was. going around for photographers or. fashion designers of you can tell when a. designer or photographer really loves. women. It it just does not feel that way.

for John. You cannot tell from his. photography in my opinion. And it. doesn't seem that he likes women. He. loves himself. He likes his own. perception of women and how their. presence in a photo serves him is the. feeling that I get. And maybe this is. just woowoo analytical. I'm thinking too. deep into it and it's not even art. But. I just wanted to be sure that although. his photography may be referred to as. budoesque, it's really not a fair. comparison. His photos just don't feel. like a true appreciation of the female. figure. I have no way of knowing it, but.

I wouldn't be surprised if he were. hiring women to pose for him and not the. other way around. Instead of focusing on. making the shoot a comfortable. environment, a lot of it feels very male. gaze. There's a few photographs that. also seem to border the line into kink. or what is called erotica photography, which is again a completely perfectly. fine genre. As long as there's informed. consent, everybody is of age. I think. it's beautiful, right? But knowing what. he's been charged with, it doesn't feel.

like a real representation of that genre. either. To give you an idea and some. context, kink photography is typically. nude [music] and it can range from. vanilla, softer styles to full kinks. with multiple subjects, full nudity, depictions [music] of BDSM. But still, usually the subjects are willing. participants and want these photos for. their own pleasure. It's not like a. predatory photographer forcing models. into inappropriate environments. There. are a few NSFW not safe for work AMA ask.

me anything that we went into Reddit. pages about the king photographers and. their experience and it just paints a. very interesting picture. One. photographer said that he is a. professional rigger. So a rigger is. someone kind of like um I guess rigger. in the like studio sense of people who. do the rigging [music] for the lights. and the cameras, right? But in the BDSM. world, they have riggers of professional. people who know how to tie [music] rope, who know how to tie people up, who excel.

in that genre of extracurricular. activities. [music] Yeah. So, he says, you know, I shoot with a lot of rope and. I'm very close with a rigger who I trust. around models and clients. He's super. professional, very safety-minded, very. skilled. And he says that they are. always on standby. And he never. physically even touches the model. because, you know, if they're tied up, you would have to adjust some of the. rope here and there and maybe even some. clothing or some different poses. He.

says that he will never touch the. subject. The professional rigger is. there to help adjust any costumes on the. model, any props. In addition to. ensuring the knots and bondage rigs are. safe, they're never a danger to the. client and is on standby in case the. client suddenly wants to stop and wants. to get out of the ropes. It's almost. like having an intimacy coordinator for. simulated intimate scenes in movies. And. I've seen a lot of the pictures and. they're really artistic. So, you see a. lot of women that are sometimes even. suspended with rope, but you can tell.

the way that the rope is tied. It's I. mean these are really complex ties and. they're used to enhance her figure. So. it's not just binding her up so she. can't move. It's almost like the ropes. are used against her own body to enhance. certain part. It looks very artistic. That is not what is happening on John. Nethers's Instagram page. >> Is the page still up? >> Yeah, there are a few photos on there. where seemingly nude women are tied up.

in rope. If I didn't know that he was. charged with anything, I might think, okay, well, maybe this is not my style. of photography that I would be. interested in. Some of the rope bondage, the pictures, the subject will be. wearing a mask. One of them looks like. her mouth has been sewn shut. They all. have this gray and blue hue. Some of the. women, they always have this like dazed. look in their eyes. Some of them, their. eyes are closed and it almost appears. like underwater photography, like. they're washing ashore after they've. been kidnapped. Like that's kind of it's.

a very suffocating feeling and that's. just the style of photography that he. likes to take. The term cheesecake is. not [music] just to describe food back. then. It was the publicly acceptable. term for semi-nude women because even. saying pinup was [music] considered. taboo. So they would just call them. cheesecakes. >> Really? >> Yeah. So people would be like I was on. Reddit and someone said, "Oh yeah, my. grandpa would say he's [music] going to. go eat cheesecake and he would just go. self-pleasure to some filthy magazines.".

But that was back in the day. It's not. really a commonly known term. It's. actually the Reddit threads that I found. cheesecake on. It's all today I learned. back in the day people used to refer to. pinup as cheesecake. I rarely see it. used in the modern sense. John Nethers's. Instagram profile has a lot of. references to cheesecakes. [music]. along with a lot of pictures of women. that are semi or barely clothed. We were. scrolling through every single page, every single caption, trying to hit the. hashtags to see what else came up, if.

there was some sort of community beyond. John Nethers that were posting similar. photos. I would say that his Instagram. [music] is enlightening and not. enlightening at the same time. There's. so much that we were trying to gather. and then so much where we just kept. second guessing ourselves. For example, some people believe that your favorite. philosopher says a lot about who you are. as a person. One person theorizes. online, if your favorite [music]. philosopher is Socrates, you know. nothing about philosophy. You're just. listing out the most generic philosopher. to sound good. [music] People say you.

like Plato, you're very into theater and. drama. Maybe you're not a full well done. theater kid, but like a medium well. theater kid. Confucious, they say you. are a teacher's pet who likes to snitch. on the class, and you're also so. old. Aristotle is great, but if you're. into one of the stoics, then you fall. into two different camps of Stoics. If. your favorite philosopher is a stoic, you're either a Ryan Holiday broto. stoic, self-improvement stoic, right? That you like stoicism because you think. you're cool, or you're an academic.

stoic. And apparently these two groups. of Stoics hate each other. Okay. Usually the best way to tell is if. you're into Marcus Aurelius, you're a. bro stoic. If you're into Senica, maybe. you're more an academic stoic. Usually. the people who get the most judgment. though are very passionate fans of. Nietze. Some people think, okay, well, if you like Nichze, it's just a face. Some people think Nietze is an incel. gateway. It's really up in the air. Okay. One person says, "If Nze is your.

favorite philosopher, you may for some. reason try to awkwardly use his. philosophy to justify things like hustle. culture, gym culture, cryptocurrency for. some reason, or you're just a highly. critical person who doesn't trust other. people and it prefers to do things their. own way." John Nethers quotes Nze in one. of his captions, and it's not even one. of his good quotes either. It's just I. am a forest and a night of dark trees, but he who is not afraid of my darkness. will [music] find banks full of roses. under my cypresses. I mean, it's as.

straightforward of a niche quote as you. can actually get. Like some of his. quotes, they're misinterpreted like God. is dead or whatever, but this one is. pretty straightforward. It just means. that as one can appear very gloomy and. intimidating. Nze himself, he writes in. a very strongly masculine and aggressive. way that alienates a lot of people is. probably why he's kind of one of the. more misunderstood philosophers. regardless. But he is almost indicating. that if you can get past that, there is. some light and warmth inside. Cypresses.

are also often symbols of death and. mourning. So [music] saying like once. you get past the cypresses, there are. rose bushes underneath the cypresses is. kind of and roses are a constant symbol. of beauty, love, and tenderness. [music]. So it's it's that basically saying. whoever has the courage to enter my. darkness, right? Uh you're going to. realize that I'm filled with unexpecting. warmth and beauty inside. I don't think that's hardly [music] the. case at all for John Nethers. His. Instagram is like a portfolio with.

mostly uploaded pictures being models or. photooots, and it never looks like a. very personal look into his life. But. even with these seemingly professional. shot and edited pictures, he often pairs. them with these cheesy little captions. I guess he thinks he's being quirky. I. don't know. One reads, [music] "Hater's. going to hate, but godamn if 1% milk. doesn't do a body good." I don't know if. this is like against Big Oat, Big. Almond. I don't know who he's got beef. with, but. >> where are the photos attached to these. heavy quotes?

>> His wannabe budoir photos. Yeah. Another. one is some of you need to make sure. you're wearing your latex masks. You. know who you are, Karen of the world. So, I don't know if this is him trying. to reference condoms or [music] who. knows. It's kind of the off-brand humor. where one tries to be quirky, but it. just comes off like slightly aggressive. and dense. >> [music]. >> Another Instagram post is of a girl with. a black veil on top of her head. John. captions it, I [music] keep having. dreams that I'm doing laundry and I have.

to pay a It's a slur used for um little. people to keep an eye out for sock. thieves. And then I saw another insert. slur looking in the window wearing a. black mask. Little bastards have a. racket going on and my dream bank. account is shrinking. See, it's so off. brand. It doesn't make any sense. [music] It there's no point. There's no. punchline. It's not even just bad humor. It's like frankly dumb humor. [music]. It's not even witty and bad. It's just. bad. I don't understand what it is.

Another picture is of a girl who appears. to be on the beach and you just see her. back. The caption reads, "Today's life. lesson. Never leave post-it notes in the. cheese stick section that say dairy. dildos." [music] And again, I think ju. the juxtiposition of these wannabe funny. captions with women's pictures of them. where they are semi or fully nude, I. think just goes to show like he's not a. photographer that wants women to feel. empowered. It's also just not. professional. He also makes edgy jokes. that he probably thinks are politically.

sharp witted, but it's just. devastatingly unoriginal and mediocre. He posts a very very sensual picture of. a woman lying on her back barely. covering her chest. And the caption to. that reads, "I now identify as a spoon.". And he says, "From now on, you must. acknowledge me as sir spoon as you. gravel upon my feet or you will hurt my. feelings and force me into my safe. space." Another caption, "Why is there a. thing named grapefruit when there is a. fruit named grape already? #woke af.". Another reads, I wish it could have been.

born with octopus arms and a bigger. mouth. Just imagine the possibilities. Hard eye emoji. You get the idea. He. seems insufferable to be around. But as. we were scrolling and subconsciously. rolling our eyes at the same time, we. started seeing this very bizarre trend. on his Instagram. And at first, we. thought it was strange, but it's not the. most alarming thing. Then we go on. Reddit and it's like, okay, well, Cheesecake can refer to pinup styles. >> [music]. >> We don't see any pinupesque photos, but. maybe he just like inherited this term. for softcore looks and he got it from.

his grandpa and just adapted it. But it. just doesn't feel like that because the. captions don't make any sense. There's. this one picture of a woman modeling and. it looks like she's in some sort of. abandoned house [music] perhaps. The. caption reads, "I just found out IHOP. has cheesecake pancakes. What the. How have I missed this?" So, this seems. like an innocent, genuine thought about. the food, about cheesecake pancakes. But. the cheesecake fixation just keeps. growing. Like, it started to get. alarming. Like, after the first five, we.

were thinking, "Okay, maybe we should. write some of these down because it's. weird." One modeling picture shows a. girl and her eyes are kind of zoned out. They're out of focus. She's covered in. black lace. Her mouth is open. And it's. a very haunting, sensual photo, I guess, is the vibe that he's going for. But the. caption reads, "I've [music] decided to. start going to the Cheesecake Factory. while wearing a different disguise so I. can lie and say it's my birthday to get. free cheesecake. Now I just need to find. a dude with a hairy back so I can get. supplies for my mustache." Okay, that. offbeat humor, but you know, more.

references to cheesecake. Not alarming. quite yet. We keep scrolling. Another. one reads, "So there I was, balls deep. in a slice of salted caramel cheesecake. when suddenly I woke up and realized it. was a dream and I haven't had cheesecake. in months. Why is the world so cruel?". It's just I mean, if he has this. fixation on cheesecakes, I was assuming. he's eating cheesecake once a week, right? He wants to go to Cheesecake. Factory and pretend it's his birthday. I. would imagine he gets like Costco frozen. cheesecake that he puts in his freezer.

Then another picture where he posts a. picture of a man staring hauntingly into. the camera. The caption reads, "Someone. told me today that people who don't like. cheesecake are unfollowing me.". >> He shoots photo of men, too. >> Barely. And they're all fully clothed. It's like men at a billiard's table, pool table in a suit, right? And he. says, "Someone told me today that people. who don't like cheesecake are. unfollowing me. Well, to those people. who unfollowed me and won't see this.

post as a result, I haven't something to. say to you. Thanks. There's more for me. now. Smiley face emoji. It Okay, that I. thought that was weird. One shows a girl. in water. It looks like her hair is. covering her mouth almost like a piece. of duct tape. It looks like she's barely. alive. And I get that's probably the. creative point. [music] She looks like. her body has been found washed ashore in. like a thriller book. It's clearly not a. real picture of death, but that's the. vibe it gives. And the caption reads, "The beginning of the end is almost.

nearly over. You better get your. together and bring me cheesecake before. it's too late." Another shows a girl. standing in the forest with her hair. covering her face. The caption reads, "Since adulting is now a word, then. don't touch my cheesecake or I'll cut. you is now a word. Perhaps this. hyperfixation on cheesecake is [music]. just getting weirder, weirder." Another. caption, "Sometimes I wrestle my inner. demons and sometimes we hug and eat. cheesecake. I'm a hugger, not a. fighter." Then another. [music] I was. just asked if I wanted normal or organic. cheesecake. Clearly, I don't want. cheesecake with grass growing out of it.

Rolling eyes emoji. Okay, so this one. I'm like, it's kind of weird. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. I don't know, but it was the. feeling we were getting. It was the feeling. Then another with a girl wearing a black. corset looking into the distance and the. caption reads, "The hills are alive with. the sound of cheesecake." Oh, >> then another picture of a girl laying up. against the ground and she's wearing. black lace and a corset. Her hair is.

covering her face. And the caption. reads, "I've decided to open a private. oneperson restaurant in my [music]. treehouse that only serves cheesecake. I'm going to be the best customer I've. ever had and make millions." Hard eye. emoji. He was I mean, Cesium charges, right? So, make millions. It. Cheesecake Restaurant. It's It's. starting to feel like. >> he's just posting it in public. >> Yes. Posting it in public. There's. actually Well, we'll get there, but it. gets worse. There's another picture of a.

girl. She's pulled a black lace veil. over her head. And the caption reads, "Clearly, my new cheesecake filtration. system is working fabulously." Which, if. the [music] lace is the filtration. system, then that would make whoever is. in the photo the cheesecake. [music] or. is this like a completely unrelated. caption? Another one shows a girl laying. on what appears to be a glass coffee. table and it's almost like if he took. different pictures of her cuz her body. is pressed against the glass coffee. table. You don't see it but it.

insinuates that she's nude and then. overlaid 10 different shots. It's like. 10 different [music] arms and they all. have that very sensual look to it. She. appears nude and the caption reads, "Who. let the cheesecake out?" At this point, we're starting to get the feeling that. he's not just fixated on the dessert. In. fact, we're starting to wonder if he was. ever even talking about the dessert to. begin with. It's just an abnormal, almost unhealthy amount of conversation. about cheesecakes. It feels like there's. a lot more captions about cheesecake. than just anything else. And all of the.

captions are accompanied by his. professional photography shots of. typically young ladies who are not fully. clothed or are fully clothed but have. dark elements of being bound, covered, eyes unfocused. And just backto back. captions. If I had a cheesecake, I would. eat it in the morning. I would eat it in. the evening all over this land. Another. There was a boy who had a dog and a. cheesecake was his name and cheesecake. was his name. Oh, also he's charged with. sexual activities with animals.

>> What? >> Yeah, we'll get to the charges. Then. another caption. Okay, it's official. people. I'm swearing off cheesecake. Wait, no, never mind. False alarm. Go. about your business. Nothing to see. here. Move along. Another, I think. someone should invent cheesecake. flavored coffee creamer. Then I could. have my cake and eat and drink it, too. The is Thomas Edison when you need. him? I wish Willy Wonka had a cheesecake. factory. I would totally be one of the. spoiled kids that he massacred. Oompa. Loompa dooitydoo. Sometimes I feel like. I've got to run away. I've got to eat. some cheesecake. The only thing I love.

more than a fine slice of cheesecake is. a warm and delicious morning sunset. [music]. The moment when you realize they stopped. asking for your name for reservations at. the cheesecake factory because you're. there more than they are. [music] Big. eye shy face emoji. I thought for an. entire month that I was going to die. Turns out I just needed to eat some. cheesecake. I'm not antisocial. It's. just hard to talk with a mouthful of. delicious cheesecake. And then there is. a picture of a topless woman in bed. You. cannot see her face, but it's a very. intimate photo. And the caption reads,

"I really just want cheesecake for. Christmas. Not that you care." Then a. cryptic picture of an arm hanging off. the bed or like out of a tub. You just. really see the arm and it says, "Sometimes beauty is served best without. words. Thank god my mouth is full of. cheesecake and my mama said it's rude to. talk with your mouth full." There's. another a picture of someone underwater. with their arms tied covering their. ears. And the caption reads, "I don't. always hear voices, but when I do, they. say, "Eat more cheesecake." Another nude. photo of a model. This model is drop.

deadad gorgeous, but you know what else. is drop deadad gorgeous? Cheesecake. dripping in hot fudge, fresh [music]. strawberries, and enough chocolate syrup. to grant you serious Hail Marys in. church on Sunday. >> How many are there? It's. >> just nonstop. Nonstop. Like, in what world would it be. feasible that this man is still talking. about the dessert that he's just talking. about just cheesecake? There's another. picture that includes a girl just. staring into the camera and the caption. reads, "I keep forgetting if I brush my. teeth today and so I go and brush them.

to be safe. I've probably brushed them. 20 times already. At least I can still. eat cheesecake." And then this is one. that we because you know I was scrolling. with everyone and sometimes you know I. overread into things and I don't want to. be that person and I'm talking to the. team about it and this is a caption that. we all pointed out was very odd just. individually. It's about cheesecake. It. reads I will never agree to eating pie. instead of cheesecake [music] again. Pie. more like Satan's sweaty old armpit. boogers. I mean this is a valid opinion.

about desserts that people have. Usually. people tend to prefer cheesecake over. pie, but the fact that none of this. feels like he's referencing the actual. dessert. And again, maybe we are all. thinking too deeply into it, but it's. just alarming. None of these captions. are accompanied by a single picture of. actual cheesecake. He does have a. picture of cheesecake from years and. years ago, a picture of the actual. cheesecake dessert. But these pictures, the captions that I just read you, they're all of girls partially clothed. and with these very obsessive captions.

about Cheesecake and his love for. Cheesecake, such as, "Maybe if I put a. taser in my pants, every time I think. about Cheesecake, it would make me think. twice.". >> Yeah, >> that's crazy. And then another one that. was not about cheesecake, but was. equally alarming was a picture and it's. just the silhouette of a girl standing. on a deserted beach at night. The. caption reads, "I hate being an adult. They look at me crazy when I hold my. birthday party at Chuck-E-Cheese every. Saturday." So, we started taking down.

notes of all the cheesecake references, trying to cross reference with anything. online that's being sold or suggested. with the use of cheesecake. We just. wanted to make sure. And thankfully. there was really no other references. that we could find at least on the the. socially acceptable platforms we were. on. Just to give you some transparency, we're talking about exit. online. I'm not I we did not go on. Telegram and try to infiltrate group. chats and ask for cheesecake. There was.

not even people referring to it as some. sort of coded language. So obviously. you're not going to I mean hopefully. you're not going to find any sort of. illegal material on any of these social. media pages, but you'll still see people. referencing to that coded language such. as cheese pizza. That's a huge thing. And for example, coded language is huge. In the Epstein files, there's a lot of. random words that are used that seem out. of context, a tad bit strange. You keep. rereading the same sentence, hoping your. reading comprehension has not abandoned. you after all these years. Ultimately, the sentence just doesn't make any.

sense. It feels like they're talking. about something else than what they're. actually talking about. Someone sends. Epstein an email that reads, "I take. higher risk in order to have higher. return. What has your best student. achieved so far?" Epste's not a. professor, but he responds, "Bliss.". The deal was worth it. Whoever this. person is emails Epste back saying they. had a good time, but Epstein says, "Not. good enough. Making happy is cheap, like. sweet candy. It has to get you thinking, otherwise it'll all fade quickly." They. ask Epste. So, girls are like candy.

Epstein says, "Everything is like. candy." They respond back to Epstein. You're having too much candy. You want. more and more and you get bored by the. taste easier and faster. It's a vicious. cycle. That is not a question. It's a. conclusion. To which he says, "If you. don't like candy, it's better to spit it. out and try another. You should go back. to being a student and stop attempting. to philosophize. It's childish." And. they respond, "I [music] am being a. student." So, a student of Epstein has. achieved bliss and it's superior than. just being happy and having a good time. because being happy is cheap. Cheap like.

sweet candy. But also, girls are like. candy. The more candy you eat, the more. prone you are to becoming bored of said. candy. It's pretty clear that we're not. talking about candy. But it's also not. like we can just go ask Epstein to. confirm or deny considering he had a. nasty runin with his bed sheets that. we're supposed to believe. And Maxwell, who should be rotting in Max Hell, but. she's just sitting in minimum security. not exactly a forthcoming type. So, the. following examples of coded language in. the Epstein files are just speculations. People believe the word sauce was used.

by Epstein and company to describe. orgies. Walnut allegedly for people of. color. Hot dog allegedly for little. boys. Ice cream allegedly for male sex. workers. Shrimp allegedly for little. boys. And while all of these are. speculatory, it is kind of strange that. all these words appear quite a bit and. in a way that feels out of context. Some. also say that grape soda appears to. either be group sex, so grape soda, G S. cuz you kind of like taking the two.

letters of the words like cheese pizza. Epstein's urologist apparently emailed. him saying, "You have refills available. for ED pills. Call them back after you. use them. wash your hands and let's go. get pizza and grape soda. Another email. to Epstein reads, "This is better than. Chinese cookie. Let's go for pizza and. grape soda again." Which pizza are they. saying like cheese pizza? Are they. saying regular pizza? Are they just. talking about the food pizza? They say, "Let's go for pizza and grape soda. again." No one else can understand.

Another example, one Epstein document. shows a picture of a baby. They refer to. that baby as shrimp and the baby is in. the sink holding cocktail sauce. The. file reads, I mean, the attached email. reads, "Some are like shrimp. You throw. away the head and keep the body." Which. again makes zero sense if you take the. sentence at face value. The word map has. also been mentioned apparently over. 5,000 times in the Epstein files. And. map has been more or less recently. defined by PDF files themselves, confirming that they use maps to define.

a minor attracted person, which is what. they selfidentify as that nobody. respects. They're just PDF files. In another email with the subject cream. cheese baby, somebody emails Epstein, "Do you want veggie cream cheese. tomorrow? I would go look for it now.". To which Epstein responds [music] rather. strangely, "There are millions of. babies. Very little good vegetable cream. cheese,". which is a very odd. It's kind of like. the John Nethers weird wannabe quirky.

post where are you just making some sort. of what you think is a witty sharp. little comparison that is haha so. unexpected or are we talking about. vegetable cream cheese with babies? Like. are they a type of baby is what some. people online speculate. It feels like. coded language right in our face like. cheese pizza. Cheese pizza is probably. the most well-known coded term standing. for the now outdated term CP. In fact, if you type in cheese pizza into X, many. of the searches are not going to be for.

the dish created by Italians that has. been desecrated by the Americans. It is. in reference to CESAM material, not seam. material or trying to purchase it or. sell it, but just talking about like, oh, cheese pizza was found on someone's. computer, right? Like it it's used in. that term. In the Epstein files, the. word pizza appears 859 times, and the. word cheese appears 1,138 times, but. it's not always used together as cheese. pizza. In fact, there seems to be more. like quite a bit more references to. cream cheese. So, not cheesecake, but.

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partner in crime. [music] that. I. don't share.". >> Again, if you love cheesecake so much, why would you want to ever share your. slice of actual dessert? Another picture. of a girl with her hair all over her. face. It reads, "If I was a ninja, I. would disguise myself well enough to eat. as [music] many slices of cheesecake as. I wanted without anyone knowing." Then. there is a seemingly nude individual. holding onto a paper lamp [music]. covering their private parts. So, you. don't see their face. You don't see. their chest, but or they're down there,

but it seems like they are nude. And the. caption reads, "The am I going to. find a pastor on such short notice? All. this cheesecake isn't gonna marry. itself. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Then another picture of a girl in the. bath with lace covering her eyes. She. appears to not be wearing any clothing. And the caption reads, "I've decided. today that my next wife will be a. cheesecake [music]. cupcake. Till death do us part. Devil emoji.

Skull emoji." The individual in the. picture was unclothed in the bathtub. when this was taken. [music]. You really only see um her lips in the. picture. Her the rest of her face is. covered with black lace and you don't. see her body thankfully, but she was not. clothed and she was not of age. This is. a heavily edited picture of Talia. [music] that was taken by John Nethers. in the years that she was being abused.

and that had been posted to his account. Talia says she remembers that picture. being taken. She says it was at his. first apartment when we moved out. I. remember he basically told me to strip. naked, [music] put a little mask over my. head. There's this mesh sheet or. something to make the water look black. or flowy or whatever, and then took. pictures of me naked in the bathtub. I. didn't realize that there was a close-up. of my face. It was edited, but you can. kind of tell [music] it's me. I was. looking at it, and even my mom, she. didn't realize it was me until she. really sat and looked at it. But yeah, I.

had not realized that that [music] was. posted until a couple months ago when. she was going through his Instagram just. to see how many he had of me and the. kids on there. and I saw it out of the. corner of my eye and I was like, "Wait, that's a picture that I told the. detectives about." We foied this case. [music] and because it's still ongoing, there wasn't a lot that we were able to. receive. However, we did get some of the. body cam footage and it's bizarre. You. have both John Nethers and Briana. Nethers being arrested. John's wife, Brianna, is crying. She's telling the. officers, "I've never been in trouble.

I've never been in trouble for. anything." as if that's going to hold. some weight when she's been charged with. five counts of essay, nine counts of. pandering sexually oriented material. involving a minor and impaired person, eight counts of illegal use of minor or. impaired person in nudity oriented. material or performance, two counts of. unlawful sexual conduct with a minor, one count of sexual conduct with an. animal, one count of cruelty to animals, two counts of voyerism, one count of. possessing criminal tools. But here she. is sobbing, saying that she's never been. in trouble for anything. She's still.

wailing as they take her into the back. of the police cruiser handcuffed. >> I've never been in trouble for anything, so I don't know anything. >> At one point, she keeps saying no, no, no, while crying. It's unclear if she's. saying that to herself or to the. officers. Eventually, she does get. booked and she asks the officer, the one. that's driving, about her charges, and. he informs her, "I was told that you're. being charged with pandering obscenity. with a minor.". >> Is that a felony or a misdemeanor? >> It's a felony. What the.

>> It's a secondderee felt. >> What the What does that time look. like? >> The what? I'm sorry. >> The time or does it matter? Is it up to. the judge? >> It's going to be up to the judge. Pick a. side. >> Okay. I don't know anything. I've never been. in trouble for anything. >> She mentions this for the 20th time as. if it is indeed a get out of jail free. card, but I guess it works. The officer. even asks her if she would be more. comfortable with her hands cuffed in.

front of her than behind her. And she. reassures the officer that if he would. do that, she would never do anything to. him. She's just so paranoid. And. yeah, she might not do anything to the. police officer. The police officer who. is likely older than her. But she did do. something to end up in this position. They have identified three victims so. far. Prosecutors are worried and. concerned that [music] there are even. more victims in this case. The focus of. the investigation is actually. identifying more victims. Prosecutors. asking any and all victims to come.

forward. It is alleged that Brianna. would pick victims at malls, the. trampoline park, even at the local YMCA. [music]. We don't know the extent of what was. recorded, how many people were. victimized. I think it's not a great. sign that the officers are actively. looking for more people to come forward, though. The search on their devices, it. seems like that would indicate there's a. lot more than we know. The case has not. gotten a lot of national attention, but. locally on local Facebook groups, people. have been sharing their thoughts and. theories. One comment reads, "I heard a.

rumor that she was selling sex through. Craigslist after she got banned for. doing it on TikTok last year." So, when. I saw the mug shot, that's what I. initially thought she'd been charged. with or maybe like essay charges because. she's so so pushy about filming together. with her husband, like for her OAF page. She was just bragging a couple months. ago about buying a Cadillac in cash and. her husband has thousands of dollars of. camera equipment. But I'm so sorry to. all the victims and their families. Now. again, this is just a Facebook comment. I don't know if this person actually.

knows anything or any details about the. case or if any details about the case. that they are telling on Facebook are to. be true, but it just seems like it's so. much worse than anyone knew. One person. writes in the Facebook comments, "This. is the local licking county lockups. I. got a restraining order on him." [music]. John Nethers and I was so dumb for. dropping it. He threatened to sell me. and everything. He was taking photos of. Brianna and how she was trying to get. him with him and how he thought she was. always cute. He messaged me after they. got married telling me not to answer.

anyone about their marriage if anyone. contacted me. >> Wait, what? >> It seems like he. was probably involved with Brianna. before she was an adult of legal age, but it seems like they got married when. she was 18. He's exactly 20 years older. than her. They say there was so much. y'all don't understand. Like he was. a psycho. I'm so glad his ass is in. jail. [music] It just seems like the. investigators are scratching the. immediate surface. Or at least what. they've publicly said out loud. I don't. think anyone really knows the full. extent of what might have transpired in.

this case with these people. Not even. close. I think the prosecutors most know. at least that at least that this is a. big rabbit hole just based off what we. could find online. And then Talia's. email. Talia was gracious and trusting. enough to get on a phone call with us. and she was explaining her side of. events and it's very different from. online because again he's being charged. with like CSAM animal cruelty animal. abuse and like the things that Brianna. is being charged [music] with and Talia. is telling us it spans back way further.

>> It's not even just like. >> Yeah. Like over a decade and then if you. count the years of abuse. >> Yeah. >> so long. Decade. >> Yeah. And who knows if he could have. been victimizing other people before and. after Talia. Talia says that she met Jon. when she was six because John was her. mom's new boyfriend. [music] John. actually knew Talia's mom from high. school. So it's not like Talia's mom. just met this random guy and was like, "Oh, you're going to move in with me and. my daughter, right? And I'm a single cuz.

she's a single mom, right? You're going. to move in with me and my daughter.". It's [music] they had this long forming. friendship. It appears they did. reconnect later in life and that's when. they start seriously dating when Talia. [music] is around six. He moves in and. it is a really toxic relationship. They. argue a lot. Talia's mom and John. The. fights between Talia's mom and John were. never physical, but because he's a. photographer. Talia says he would go out. and take these crazy pictures of women. all the time and my mom would just be. upset with it and uncomfortable. And he.

would say it doesn't mean that he likes. them. It's just his job. And then he. would go and accuse her of cheating on. him, which she never was, but he was. very adamant that she was always. cheating on him or that she was going. out and doing crazy stuff and she was. just like a stay-at-home mom that never. really ever went out. He [music] would. just gaslight her, guilt trip her. He. would send her whole paragraph long. emails about how terrible of a mom that. she is and how he believes she's. cheating even though she's not. It was. just really toxic. [music] Talia is six. and her biological father is not in her.

life. And then Talia's mother ends up. having three children with John. And so. I think that just adds more to this case. because it's it it is very difficult. It. was never physical. There was no. indication that Jon was ever doing. anything to Talia, to Talia's mom. So. it's just one of those very toxic. marriages, but she also has these three. children with him, making it even more. difficult to get out. >> Are they in Talia's [music] life, too? >> Yes. >> Yes. Yeah, they're all really close.

>> Yes. >> Wow. And I don't want to speak on behalf. of them obviously, but it just seems. like from what we could gather from our. conversations with Talia, it seems like. Talia and her siblings are really like. Talia's mom's kids, [music] you know, like that's that's their parental figure. and they are their very tight-knit. family, [music] it appears. >> Gosh. Okay. >> Yeah. Even when John did nothing to. Talia that was weird or questionable at. the time, her first impression of John, she just didn't really like him. I mean, she didn't really know why. She just.

thought maybe it was like having a man. in the house out of nowhere was just. weird. It just always felt like a. stranger living in their house. But it's. just a feeling because everything was. normal. At least in the beginning. It. It's not until Talia's mom gets pregnant. with their first child. [music]. That's when the abuse started. Talia. says it started when I would be getting. ready for school in the morning. [music]. He would be doing my hair. So he would. sit on the couch and I would sit on the. floor in front of him. He would brush my. hair and put all these hair clips and.

hair ties um like on the couch in. between his legs and he would be naked. She's facing away from him while he's. doing her hair, but he would force her. to grab the hair clip [music] and the. hair tie. And she says when I would turn. around, he would be naked and I would. have to grab the hair tie and the the. hair clips. And over time they would. [music] inch closer to his private. parts. So it just started with a lot of.

these smaller things where it started. [music] progressing. She says my mom. would go to work and he would stay home. and it would be these little things like. he would come in my room and lay down. with me and try to cuddle and he would. tell her eventually um this is like. years of abuse. He would tell her. repeatedly if not you it's going to be. your siblings. In our interview, Talia. says, "I [music] was never going to let. that happen." So, I kind of put myself. in the way of that. It is always tricky.

when a steparent joins a family with. children. I'm sure everyone has their. own ways of handling it, but I would. imagine most parents want their child to. decide what they want to call their. stepparent, which is exactly the case. for Talia. She never feels pressured by. her mom to call her mom's boyfriend, [music] John Nether's dad, or stepdad. She never did. She never felt the need. to until one day Talia says that Jon had. taken her out to run errands. They end. up at like a hobby lobby and the cashier. just trying to make small talk and be. nice, asks her, "Do you like shopping.

with your dad?". Talia didn't really respond because. she's so young and she's not going to. say, "Well, actually, he's not my dad. He's maybe at most my stepdad, but I. don't even really think like that." So, she just didn't respond. She didn't have. anything to say to this adult who's. asking her, "Do you like shopping with. your dad? When they get back into the. car at Hobby Lobby, she says he locked. her in there with him until she called. him dad and told him she loved him. She. said she was forced to call him dad. [music] She says, "I did not like.

calling him dad. I didn't like it. It. just didn't feel right to me. Even. before the abuse started, I was never. comfortable with calling him dad. It. just didn't feel right." But now he's. locking her in the car, forcing her to. call him dad. And this becomes part of. the abuse that she endures. For years, she's living with John Nethers. Her mom. has three children with him, so three. half siblings. Her mom has no idea about. the abuse. The abuse would occur two to. three times a week. At this [music]. point, John is a photographer. And Talia. says, "A lot of the pictures, not all of.

them, but a lot of the pictures, I was. there to take, you know, I was there to. help make props or whatever, so he would. take her to take pictures." And for. Talia's pictures, that was also part of. the abuse. Talia says there was one. night he had dragged um talking hills. but kind of smaller. It's kind of like. an outdoor landmark trails that kind of. stuff like a public park but almost like. a forest very secluded. There was one. day that he had taken me there. It was. nighttime [music] to take these lake.

moon pictures. And I still can't go back. there because I remember him basically. laying me down [music] on a rock. And I. don't know if he took pictures of me, but I do remember being abused at the. park. There were even times where he. would take pictures of me and the kids. He'd pull us into the room and take. little portraits of us. So like very. familyfriendly portraits. But there was. one time where one of the pictures only. had me in a leather jacket, not zipped. up, just naked underneath. And that was. taken in the same hour of taking the. other family photos.

Out of all the years that this is going. on, Talia says there wasn't really a. moment where he stopped to reflect. Not. that that would absolve him of literally. anything. He should still rot in prison. for the rest of his life for what he. did, preferably, you know, until the day. he dies. That's my opinion based on what. Talia told us. But she says that there. was only one time that she could get him. to stop the abuse. He had took me into our bathroom and had. me strip naked and stand on the step. ladder and told me to bend over it. I. was crying, sobbing, and I kept asking.

him why he was doing this. And he kind. of stopped and said it happened to him. as a kid, and there was some kind of. mental illness that causes it. He said. that it happened to him as a kid and. there was some kind of mental illness. that caused. it. You just He said that if it happens. to you, you basically your brain forces. you to do it people. >> He said it would be stronger. Um, and. then just walked out the room and I.

left. I put my clothes back on and I. left. It was the only time I could get. this. >> Side note, none of that is true. Just. because you are a victim of abuse as a. child does not mean that you will become. an abuser, that you will become a. perpetrator. Clearly evidenced even by. Talia herself. That is not true. That is. irrevocably false. But I will say that. his father is allegedly in prison as. well for abusing children. But Talia is. unsure if it is from Jon's dad abusing. Jon or other children. Talia says that.

she was told Jon was abused by his mom's. boyfriend as well when he was a child, but she's not entirely sure. I think one. of the big questions that we had was. originally before we knew, did Talia's. mom know what was going on? Um because, you know, she was telling us the video. that she watched in that case. Um. unfortunately Lisa Plum's mother was. complicit, right? But she said it was. very different. Um, Talia says she hid. it really well from her mom because she. felt like she had to. It [music] It's. not just essay, it's like deep mental.

abuse. This started when she's 6 or 7. years old. The threats started that. young. Talia says there was a time where. my cousin, she's like a year younger. [music] than me, but obviously we were. both very little at the time. And my. cousin would come over and hang out. And. there was this one time everyone was. hanging out in the backyard. He had me. locked in the bathroom with him and he. was like, "If you don't do these things, I will go get your cousin and I'm going. to do them to her instead." Talia says. that he would tell her that if she were. to tell anyone about the abuse, he would. kill either her grandfather, which is.

the person she's the closest with, or. her mother or any of her siblings, who. also happened to be his own children. And she says, you know, especially with. him being ex-military, which I saw his. TikTok videos. He's a very like he works. out a lot [music] and I'm like a full. grown adult. Like he he does have a very. imposing figure, but imagine if you're 7. years old. Like this man must look like. a freaking mountain. [music]. She said it was just terrifying to me as.

a kid. She says it wasn't necessarily. physical force all the time. Usually. something would be held against me, whether it would be my siblings or. something of mine that, you know, I. owned or it would be something like, "If. you don't do this, I'm going to do it to. someone else or I'm going to do this to. your mom or kill your family." And then. I would just feel obligated to do it. There was one time he did choke me up. against a wall. He was like renovating. his mom's basement. He had rope and. [snorts] an unfinished basement. There. were beams in the ceiling and he had. tied the rope to one of those beams. It.

was one of those like BDSM rope things. I don't know how to explain it, [music]. but um he was trying to get me into it, like basically trying to suspend her. from the ceiling. [music] And I told him. no, and he grabbed me by the throat and. slammed me up against the wall and was. screaming in my face for giving attitude. and saying no. And the only thing I. remember was just blacking [music] out. I remember looking at one of the windows. in the basement when I woke up and just. thinking about how maybe I could run. away that night, if I could crawl. through the window in the basement, and. just thinking about if I could [music]. do that. There were times where Talia's.

mom was also going through a lot. So, the first child she had with John seems. to have been planned. [music]. The second and third child were twins. and her postpartum was really intense. after. She did attempt to self-exit, [music]. but John uses that to manipulate Talia, telling Talia that Talia owes him. everything [music]. because he's the one that found Talia's. mom and so he must have saved her. But eventually the whole relationship.

between Talia's mom and John Nethers. falls apart. She says that he would just. try to pull these like crazy stunts over. the years. Talia says near the end, he. tried to tell me and my mom that he had. skin cancer, like a special type of skin. cancer, that he only had a month to live. and that we needed to be nice to him and. I needed to call him dad and stuff like. that. My mom was just really tired. I. mean, for after a while, she kicked him. out of the house finally and he was not. living with us the entire time. It was. like a week with my mom and then a week. with him. because they have kids [music] together.

>> Oh my god. >> So, it'd be a week on, a week off. And. it actually got a lot worse, the abuse, even though he's no longer living with. Talia, because she and her siblings, who. are biological children of John Nethers, would go to his house for an entire week. without her mom present. So, two weeks of the month they were. there. Talia says he had this apartment. downtown in the city, and I feel like it. got really bad there. I guess with no. other adult in the house, he felt really. free to do things. But I remember it was. the first night that I was helping him.

move in. There was nothing in the. apartment. Only thing I think was like a. futon. And he had me sitting on the. futon and it was just me and him. And he. was like, "If you don't do these things. tonight, I'm going to [music] bring your. siblings here." I mean, my siblings, they were probably like four, five, six. at the time. He would say that he would. bring them there and do it to them. instead. And she's like 10, right? She. says, "I told him on the futon that. [music] I would kill him if he did. that." Obviously, I probably couldn't do. that, [music] kill him. He's.

ex-military, and I'm like a 10-year-old, but I didn't want my siblings to go. through the same stuff. So, we asked. like, "Did that what was his reaction to. you threatening to kill him?" And she. says, "I remember him finding it funny. [music] and laughing at the idea." And. then it did not really go very well for. me, but I didn't really have a choice. either way. But then eventually all hell. just breaks loose when she reaches close. to like her teenage years, 12, 13. She. had been holding it in for the past 6.

years and finally it starts coming out. She said that she started getting into a. lot more arguments with her mom and. Talia and her mom would get into fights. over different things like random. things, right? And Talia would just be. screaming at her mom and one day she. just she says we were arguing and you. know we we had been arguing a lot and. there's one point where we were arguing. in the hallway and I guess I just. snapped and I told my mom John had. picked me up and choked me up against a. wall. So she blurts out the physical. abuse. She actually doesn't tell her mom.

about the sexual abuse for a while and. immediately her mom was like stop. What? What are you talking about? What are you. saying right now? Like what is going on? Talia says she still didn't want to open. up about the other abuse. It takes. months, but she tells her more about the. physical abuse. And [music] at this. point, Talia's mom, who just thinks it's. physical abuse, she decides, "Okay, yeah, no, it's over." She's going to. bring the kids one last time to John's. house. They're going to gather up all of. their belongings, and they're never. going back to John's. They're never.

going to see Jon, nothing. Like, Jon is. basically dead to her. Okay. She does. ask Talia if Talia is okay with going. Now, there wasn't like it seems from the. interview that we had, it doesn't seem. like there was an overusage of physical. force, which is very similar in a lot of. cases like this, it's mainly a lot of. the threats, the manipulation, and it's. the physical violence, not physical. force. Of course, there's physical. force, but physical violence, right? And. so, it seems like maybe her mom was. asking because it seemed years ago, and.

perhaps she wanted to go get her things. from John's house, >> right? It seems like a reasonable thing. And so she asked Talia and Talia says, you know, when you're a kid, you're not. really thinking like, oh, what could. happen when I go? You're just thinking, I guess I do need my stuff and like, who's going to get it if I don't get it? And like, yeah, that is my stuff. So, she agrees, but then she gets there and. she says, I just remember I was freaking. out because I thought that he would find. out somehow that I said something. I was. just freaking out. I was sobbing, crying. the whole day. And he came up to me and.

he was like, why are you depressed? What's wrong? And of course, I didn't. tell him. I was just like, I don't know. And I don't remember if anything. happened that night. I can't be. completely sure, but I just remember. being so scared that he was going to. find out while I was there that I had. said something to my mom. Then. immediately when they're safely home, Talia's mom informs John Nethers that he. will never be seeing their kids again. That he has to stay away from the. children. She will never be seeing Jon. ever again. Do not come near any of them. ever again. John does not listen. He. tries to go see the kids. They have to. call the cops. Neighbors were coming out.

as witnesses. John is freaking out, demanding to know what's going on. He's. pissed. He accuses Talia's mom of. sleeping with one of the neighbors and. that's why she won't let him see the. kids. But at the same time, Talia says. she was so scared to tell her mom about. the essay because, you know, it's like. Talia's mom's reaction is really. unfortunate that they're even in this. situation. But Talia's mom is doing the. right things when she finds out about. the physical abuse, right? But she says. that I think it was just a lot of shame. I felt like it was my fault when it was.

all going on. He would tell me that my. mom hated me. He would try to like put. me up against my mom. He said that my. mom hated me and told him that I was a. which definitely she didn't. But. she says, you know, and all these. things, I just didn't really trust. anyone as a kid because I didn't know. what to believe. She says the only place. that she felt safe growing up was her. grandparents house. It was like a full. town away and it was up on this hill and. it was pretty quiet. It's just grandpa. and grandma there and that felt like. home. But even that, John tried to ruin.

and tried to fully isolate Talia. She. says he was really big on the isolating. thing. I was really close to my grandpa. and I would stay maybe like every other. weekend at his house, go to the church. with him on Sundays and all that stuff. And there was a point in time where John. even tried to tell my mom that my. grandpa was drugging me and then selling. me off to the church of masonry. Like. selling her off her body while she's. drugged. John would even try to convince. Talia that her grandpa is doing this to. her. like you're being drugged and sold. off at night. And Talia was like, "No,

I'm not." But she also didn't know what. happened because she didn't see her. grandpa for like a year or so after. [music] that. But she did, you know, see. him again after, but it was like a year. or two gap of not seeing him. >> But one day, Talia just decides to tell. her mom the full extent [music] of. what's been happening. She says, "I. don't remember exactly what caused me to. tell my mom about the essay. I remember. it was really late at night. [music]. I I think it was winter. I honestly. think I was like watching YouTube or. something and I had seen someone open up.

about theirs. It was like um like it had. been getting to me for a while just. having it kind of pent up and no one to. tell about it. [music]. It was in the middle of the night and I. went and I woke her up and I laid down. and I told her. She says [music] it was. like you know back then like the YouTube. videos where people do the [music] the. note cards of like the abuse like their. trauma and they it's like written on. note cards. She says that her mom called. off work the next [music] day and they. walked into the police station together.

the next day to make a report. They. moved houses to get away and make sure. that John Nethers never knew where they. lived. But even then, he would. constantly [music] find out and send. them stuff like flip books of pictures. of him and the kids. Talia says it was. insane. So Talia and her [music] mom, they go to the police station and Talia. says they gave it over to a detective. and we had the detective's phone number. [music] We were communicating and. eventually we just didn't hear anything. back. I mean, it didn't really go. anywhere to begin with. It was just. immediately kind of like brushed [music]. off. Later, Talia gets in touch with the.

prosecutor about something else. And. Talia had mentioned like, "Oh, yeah. I. mean, I've talked to [music] like a. police before cuz of something unrelated. and they're like asking about the. abuse." And the [music] prosecutor. finally someone like does something. She. gets really upset and she's like, "What. do you mean the detective never reached. [music] out?" So, she's like, "Yeah, they never reached like nothing came of. it." So, then she brings in a second. detective who's known for handling cases. like [music] this. He actually was known. for arresting a music teacher from. Talia's school that had abused one of. the students. So Talia says I trusted.

him and he looked through it for a bit. and eventually we didn't hear from him. either. And then it was like 2 or 3 years since. we heard anything from him. We got a. call from now a new detective. So this. is the third detective. And he said the. second detective had recently retired. And as he was cleaning out his desk. [music] and his file cabinets, he saw. Talia's file. >> Wow. >> And he felt [music] like He went. to the detective that's taking over his. new cases because he's retiring [music].

and said like, "You you need to get on. this one ASAP.". Talia says, "I mean, it's crazy. Like, my mom is definitely still upset about. it. I've kind of accepted [music] it. I. think after a certain amount of time, I. just didn't really think anything was. going to happen. And it seems like I. it's unclear if Talia is the only victim. in this regard. Um clearly with the Cam. there are victims there probably yes. because there are videos that were found. so and they have been classified as Cam. [music] publicly by the detectives. So.

but maybe there could be more victims. Talia says she doesn't really know. She. does think that after [music] they broke. up that John would date other people. with children, like single moms, but she. she doesn't really know. That's just. like a thought. I will say that there is. this Instagram post that he had of a. woman and she's in red lingerie. Her. face is not showing. And the caption. reads, "Ugh, the mystery mistress. [music] If only she came with. cheesecake.".

And with what Talia thinks could be his. track record of dating single moms, it. feels like cheesecake could mean. something else, right? [music] But and. if cheesecake is in fact a code word and. the police find Cam in their devices. that appears to have been hidden camera. footage from public restrooms, the. footage of Brianna violating a. 13-year-old boy, are they selling that. footage? We asked Talia if she has any. knowledge or anything about the selling. of CCM, and she says that's something. thing. I mean, I wasn't I I don't know.

I when I was younger, he would talk. about going on the dark web and he would. talk about all of this, but I mean, there were times where he would show me. gore and stuff from 4chan and stuff, and. then he would show me gore and um then. he like he got to some point where he. had gotten a laptop and he set it up so. he could go on the dark web tour. basically and he'd go on there and look. at crazy stuff. So, [music] that was one. of the things that me and my mom. discussed actually. Like, it might have. just been like if maybe he could have. sold it on there or [music] somewhere, especially because he's editing it, which like is a thing. Like, what do you.

mean the police were saying he's editing. the footage? Why would you need to edit. the footage? And so, right now, both. John and Briana are being held on a. $500,000 bond each, so a million. collectively. [music] And it just seems. like I don't know if it's a lot more is. going to unravel during the trial. process, but it's not like it's just the. story is over because they're in jail. and they're going to face charges. In. Talia's email, she says that through a. lot of the work that RM [music] does, it. helped her in a way. And she says, quote, "I had the courage to come.

forward in my case and I'm finally. getting justice after 10 years." And. watching RM report about people getting. the justice they deserve made me realize. I'm not the exception and I deserve to. be able to live my life freely with no. fear, which I feel like we don't really. deserve a part in her story, but we feel. very honored to be part of it. I really. also appreciate the way that she was so. transparent with us on this phone call. about how she feels even now that he's. in jail and he's going to face charges.

It just I think knowing these very. specific feelings takes away a lot of. the shame. I think people [music] in. similar situations might have certain. nuanced feelings that you don't see like. being reported on ABC.com, right? She. says that she never saw him as a father. figure. Obviously never saw him as her. father, but it is kind of weird. sometimes. She says, "You know, somebody. will be talking about their parents and. then I'll subconsciously say, oh, my.

parents did this when I was a kid." And. then I'm like, "What? No, he's not my. father." Like, that's weird. I don't. even see him as my father. I don't think. my brain even understood the concept of. a father figure or felt like I needed. one. And to me, a father figure was. always my grandfather. Honestly, >> I don't think my brain even [music]. understood the concept of a father. figure or felt like it needed one. And. to me, my father figure was my. grandfather. Honestly. >> So, she said like she has these weird. moments. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> She says, you know, more than the sexual.

or the physical abuse in her dayto-day. now, she [snorts] says she remembers. like random things he said to her. Like. that's what [music] pops up. She says, "I'll think of something that he said to. me and then it'll just rewrite how I'm. going about my day.". She says that John took a lot of. seemingly just, you know, innocent. family pictures. And she says, I can't. even look at them. Like even though it's. not him in it, it's just like her and. her siblings, it was still taken by him.

So it's weird. [music] Yeah. But they. were like normal kid pictures. She. remembers he forced her to take a. picture. And again, this is a legal. picture, but he forced her to make it. her Facebook profile at the time. And he. told her that she needs to make it her. profile picture so that her classmates. or their parents would see it. and maybe. want to reach out to him to get their. like kids school photos, graduation. photos done, too. Our researcher asked. her like, "Do you think he was doing it. for money or do you think he was?" Talia. says, "I think it was both. I do think. it was both. I think it was [music] more. of a test to see if he could like what.

could happen." It was really weird. Of. course, I never advertised it. I think. somebody asked me and I was like, "Oh, it's this random photographer." But it. was just like stuff like that he would. do. She is in her early 20s now and he had. been free up until this year. >> Yeah. >> And she says, "I guess after a certain. amount of time, I just lost hope and I. didn't really think anything would come. of it. It was just all very sudden that. all of this is happening. I was thinking. about actually moving in to my friend's. like tiny room that's out of town and.

just be away because I realized that. being in the city and even going to. Walmart or anywhere out of the house, I. was just so scared of running into him. that it would basically stop me from. doing anything up until he got arrested. And up until he got arrested, he was. stalking my accounts on Tik Tok and. Instagram and whatnot. And there was. [music] one time maybe a year ago, I'd. posted on my Tik Tok story. It's just. like a rant about my [music] PTSD and. how it was affecting me and it was just. like a really bad time. It felt like. everything was really like caving in at.

that time. It was after getting ghosted. from the second detective that was. supposed to investigate and my brain. just kind of [music] shut down. I was. posting something about my PTSD and how. it was really bad and how it felt like I. would never be able to be a normal. person or function normally again. and. he just viewed that one story and I. remember freaking out and like. immediately blocking him. >> I posted something about how. my PTSD was really bad and how it felt. like I will never be able to kind of be.

a normal person or like function. normally. And I don't know if he had like a spam. account or a fake account that he had. Um, but it was [music] just that story. that he had viewed on his public. account. So, it looked like he had like. saw it on a fake one and then sent it to. himself. So, then all I remember was. freaking out and immediately blocking. him. But, >> and that was 8 years since the last time.

she saw him. So, he's been stalking her. TikTok for 8 years. [music] Talia says. her mom is also going through a lot. emotionally and she says she has a lot. of guilt. >> [gasps]. >> She feels really bad and it does [music]. eat her up. Um, I've never held it. against her at all. She didn't know and. it was such a weird situation. Even. sometimes I'll blame myself for keeping. her in that situation by not saying. anything because. Yeah. She says because it was also not. good between them. Talia is basically.

saying like she feels guilty because if. she had said [music] something earlier, her mom would have spent less time in a. toxic relationship. And like you hear a lot of stories where. mothers don't believe their daughters or. knew all along and never did anything. [music] And it was just really emotional. to hear that Talia's mom stood by her. daughter. And to hear how I think part. of their process of having these. complicated emotions of guilt and the. way that they're so compassionate. towards one another is depressing and.

unfair because obviously [music] they. should be living a version of their. lives where none of this had even. happened in the first place. But it does. show a lot of I mean I don't even know. the appropriate words that [music] could. fit something like this. But I imagine. the way that they are compassionate and. so graceful towards each other. contributes a lot to their ability to be. able to heal themselves and one another. Talia says with Jon finally facing. charges, even if they aren't for what he. did to her, she says he is finally put. away and I'm finally able to leave my.

house with no fear. Even going to. Walmart or the mall without worrying. about seeing him is like such a relief. And there's already been such a huge. improvement in my healing. So, I hope. I'm able to get full closure so that I. can completely close off that portion of. my life and [music] just move on. As for. Brianna, she says, um, she has. complicated feelings about Brianna. One. time, Talia was forced to help John with. a photo shoot, and she says, I remember. helping him take Brianna's school. photos.

>> Really? >> Yeah. and she just remembers holding the. reflector. And we asked, "Do you. personally know Brianna?" And she says, "I actually went to high school with. her." I'm 99% sure it was her that I. helped take photos of. So, it is very. complicated of what the reaction is to. Brianna and others. Um, 45 minutes away. actually, there is a case where just um. the 16 kids [music] case, right? Yeah. 45 minutes from them is the 16 kids case.

in Ohio, the house of horrors that. everybody was talking about found in. that 12 x 12t room. We covered the case. and the Ciders family house of horrors. This is like a few episodes ago. Four. adults, mom, dad, dad's parents were. arrested after 16 [music] kids were. found locked in a single room. The. mother in the case Elizabeth Ciders was. 15 when she married and began having. babies basically back to back, [music]. bringing 16 living children into the. world. And initially um just a minority. of netzens very much sympathized with.

Elizabeth considering her age and the. physical toll the pregnancies probably. had. One netzen commented about. Elizabeth. Everything about her body. language suggests that she's a victim. not a perpetrator. This started when she. was 15 years old, a child. However, she. along with her husband recently the. father of the 16 kids were just recently. in the past few weeks indicted on child. sex abuse charges. They were both. charged with two counts each of sexual. battery and two counts each of unlawful. sexual conduct with a minor less than 10. years younger than their own age. Unsurprisingly, the sympathy for.

Elizabeth has reduced drastically. The. coverage of this case has as well, but. um I think the sex abuse charges seem to. slash a lot of the public's sympathy for. Elizabeth Ciders. [music] And there's. vast differences between the two cases. obviously, but I guess a good question. would be is Brianna Nethers a victim and. how much of a victim? Some netizens are. wondering if she was because how long. was she groomed before she turned 18? Some people say that she was pregnant a. few months before they got married.

before she was 18. But others disagree. in saying the minute that you create. your own victims, you're not just a. victim, you're also a perpetrator. And. to add a little more weight to the. second theory and opinion that people. have, I was kind of lurking on local. Facebook groups and I I mean again I. don't know if these are true, so take it. with a grain of salt, but some people. were coming forward and saying that. people had reached out to Brianna and. others warning her that your husband, the man that you're marrying, was trying. to do things to me when I was a child, like he is a PDF file. And that Brianna.

would screenshot [music] these. conversations, post them on her Facebook. being like, "No, he's not. You guys are. liars." something in that vein. There. are also rumors that another young. individual has come forward saying that. when he and Brianna were children that. Brianna tried to do things to him, so. he's not shocked by the new charges. And. again, these could be people making. things up on Facebook, [music] but these. are local groups. This is not a case. that has gained a lot of widespread. attention where anyone on the depths of.

the internet, I mean, they could would. go and make up these lies for attention. It seems like um. >> Yeah. [music] Yeah. Very specific. >> Yeah. It seems like a conversation being. had by members of the community and not. people reacting to viral news. >> Yeah. >> And it's interesting because Brianna and. others doesn't at least in the body cam. footage depict much remorse for anything. that she's been charged with. In fact, she just keeps asking to give John, her. husband, a hug. I don't know what is up. with people getting arrested and then. asking to hug their partners. I She's.

crying in the car sobbing. Am I able to. see him before we leave? They're like, "Who?" John, "Can I at least give him a. hug?" The officer, I think maybe he's. like flabbergasted. Okay. The officer. shows Brianna a picture of something on. his phone telling her, "That's the male. in middle school the same year you had. sex with him in the bathroom." Like kind. of maybe it's like a get it together. Like this is what you're what have you. done? >> That's what his response to the hug. question. >> a little bit later. Yeah. And so she's. crying and she says, "I didn't know any.

different." Am I able to see him before. we leave? Please. >> see who. is leaving the hug. >> That's That's the male in middle school. the same year he had sex with him in the. bathroom. >> Yeah. I I don't know. There are. additional rumors that John was dating. Brianna's mom before dating Brianna. That's unclear. It's just a rumor on. Facebook. But I mean, again, it's. Facebook. Anyone can comment anything. But Talia says she suspects Brianna. could have been groomed since she was 13.

[music]. up until she was 18, but she's not. entirely sure. Now, one source did tell. us [music] that there are potentially. like 80,000 hours of videos found on the. devices. So, we're not really sure how. much of that also shows Brianna, how. much of that Brianna helped create, if. any at all. Well, at least the one. >> thousand hours. >> Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know. >> what. >> they've been very quiet about this case. publicly. There's not a lot of reporting. on it, but right now they are being held.

on a $500,000 bond. Talia says, "When. John and Brianna are finally arrested, I. just lost it." I think there's a lot of. um I suffer with OCD as well, so there's. a lot of guilt issues. For the longest. time, I would even blame myself for. Brianna [music] being with him. And I. was like, maybe if I had really pushed. for a bigger investigation, like sooner. and done a better job at advocating for. myself and for the investigation, [music] maybe Brianna wouldn't be in. that position, which I'm learning to.

ignore that part of my brain, but of. course it's always there. So, they. actually just added a ton of charges. [music] And so, we went through all the. charges and she says that she was really. concerned because she was told ahead of. time that the detectives are going to do. a search warrant. And she was concerned. that they would find nothing and release. him. [music] So, she was so scared that. she couldn't eat or sleep for 4 days. about the charges. She said, "You know, we were reading through the charges and. we saw that two of the victims were 3. and 5 years old." And we asked Talia if. she thinks Brianna will turn on John and.

testify against him. And she says she. doesn't really know, [music] but she. says, "Okay, I feel like he will turn on Brianna in a. way, too. I don't think he sees her as a. person. [music]. probably more of a pawn than anything. And that was one of the things I was. actually really worried about for a. while after he got arrested. And when I. heard about the fact that they were. making those kinds of videos, in my head. I was like, maybe he did it in a way. where he wasn't shown or there's no way. to prove that he did anything [music]. and it'll all end up on her. So for a.

while I was like, what if he just gets. away with it and blames all of it on her. and then they have nothing to kind of. back up what he was kind of. orchestrating it the [music] whole time. Both John and Brianna have been charged. with one count of cruelty to animals as. well as one count of sexual conduct with. an animal. Talia says that she remembers. after John moved out, there was this dog. that he kept at his mom's house. [music]. She says the dog was like this little. pitbull mix. The dog was left outside on. I think it was like a 4ft chain at the. time. It was covered in bugs and fly. bites and was just being eaten away at.

His mother would smack the dog. Nobody. would [music] pay attention to that dog. I would sit in the kitchen at the door. um and like the dog is on the other side. of the door [music] and she said I would. sit and play with the dog through the. door. I don't know what happened to that. dog because I [music] got out before. then but there was definitely a lot of. animal neglect and other kinds of animal. cruelty. She says that she wouldn't be. surprised if you know with the sexual. charge with animals. [music] She says. that was something my mom had actually.

brought up before the charge was added. She said that she wouldn't be surprised. if they had done something to animals. because he had tried to force her to do. the same thing. She said that he tried. to convince her to put peanut butter. down there and let the dog lick it off. That was something that she mentioned. before the charge was even brought up. and she said that [music] she wouldn't. be surprised about it. And then there. was actually someone in one of the. comment sections of like a Facebook. group saying the same thing before the. charge was added. There's also an ex. post where we found on Brianna's ex. account that is dedicated to just. promoting her Only Fans account and she.

posted a picture with a little pitbull. [music] puppy and she writes, "Good. morning, babe. Guess what? I got a puppy. yesterday. He'll be with me on live. tonight at 8:00 p.m. [music] Come join. us and have some fun. Can't wait to see. you guys there." And it is a link to our. Only Fans account. [music] Now, I'm not. saying that anything inappropriate took. place on that live stream, but justice. is great, but when it takes so long, it. is hard not to get frustrated knowing. how it impacted Talia, her family, but. also that 13-year-old boy in the.

bathroom, and who knows how many other. people. One person comments on Facebook, "He was my photographer when I was. younger, and I used to model. He even. asked me to do nude photos for a project. he had, and I told him no. He told me. that he was starting to have feelings. for me and I got very uncomfortable and. I stopped doing photo shoots for him. It. was just unreal. Another one reads, "He. dated my best friend in high school. The. things she told me were terrible. He was. scum. I hope he gets the max. He's a. sicko." [music] One alleged local. comment on Facebook says, "Her boyfriend. is weird, too." So, this is about. Brianna's arrest and he cheats on her.

all the time and tried to mess with all. of us as minors. Even messed with her as. a minor. So, this doesn't really. surprise me. Another person comments, "I. was literally 16 and he was trying to. get me to do Only Fans. He is a predator. and has manipulated her. I don't care.". Another person says, "I used to work. with Brianna at a club prior to her. getting arrested. And while I'm. disgusted, I'm not at all shocked. [music] She essayed a dog, had. incestuous tendencies, would prostitute. herself, and would constantly try to. exploit and pimp out other girls in the. club, especially the young naive ones.".

>> What? >> Again, this is just a Facebook post, but. another net comments about Brianna. She. tried to groom me when I was 16 and then. went after my family member and roofied. her. Again, I couldn't verify, right, anything of that, but one person writes, "This makes me want to go to jail. Request to be in the same block with. him, and I would maul that. dude." Another person comments, "Johns. was deployed with my ex-husband in Iraq, [music]. and I was informed that he was always on. his computer, and he was always able to.

talk people into exploiting themselves. He hid behind the idea of things being. art. [music]. His wife wasn't his first victim. He's. been doing this for years and it evolved. into what he became today. I say lock. him up and throw away the key. Maybe. other violators should be exposed. As. for Talia, I hope that testifying. against John will give her the closure. she needs and not pose a risk of further. trauma cuz sometimes defense attorneys. are literal [music] But I just. hope that she There was um it was.

interesting. So during the interview, she is [music] so genuine and so. transparent about everything and there. was this one time where she was getting. really emotional and it was [music]. about roses. She said that um she's. growing up and she says my grandpa he. had roses. He had like a over 150 rose. bushes. Like [music] he loved his roses. >> He my grandpa he had roses galore. He. had over 150 roses, rose bushes. He just.

he loved his his cars. He had old cars. [music] Um I loved going over and just. helping him take care of the roses and. spending time with them, helping where I. could. >> And she starts getting really emotional. for [music] one of the first times in. the interview and she says, "So. honestly, I loved like Christmas over. there. I loved going over there. Christmas time. [music] My grandpa lived. like on a hill and then at the top it.

his house was kind of like on the side. of it and at the top there was [music] a. log cabin and a barn and a fire pit and. it was just every family event was held. there. The all night of memories are. with my grandpa. >> Unfortunately, um in 2023 he passed. [music] from bone cancer. When Amy passed, one thing that stuck. with me, [music] um, he was dementia. ridden. I mean, he couldn't talk, couldn't see. Um, I remember I was.

sitting at the side of his bed just. crying and he goes, he asked me if I had. everything I needed. I was like, well, I. mean, sorry for getting emotional. He was. amazing. He was he he was for me. And that is where I leave you with the. case for today. We're going to be. keeping up with the legal process for. John and Brianna and others and we'll be. keeping you updated. But let let me know. your thoughts. Please stay safe and I.

will see you in the next one.