Warm Milk, Foot Rubs, and White Claws: ALL The Texts Between Mackenzie & Dad

Barbie and Barbuda. >> Sometimes shutting up is the best. answer. And I say this with full irony, just ironically as someone who posts. hours and hours of footage every week of. herself yapping to no end. But sometimes. yes, the answer is being quiet. The. answer is no answer. The answer is in. staying silent. It's probably the reason. why so many defense attorneys spend a. great deal of energy convincing their. client of everything that they could. mess up if they testify on the stand at. their own trial. A lot of defense.

attorneys believe that how the person. comes across to the jury is arguably way. more important than what they actually. testify to. Which is why more often than. not, it's not worth it in most cases for. clients to testify. [music]. I mean, I guess it's just a thing humans. do. You would think that no, when you're. on the jury for a major case, you want. to make sure that you're just listening. to the judge. But once someone involved. starts yapping, it becomes less about. the facts and more about do I like this. person? Do they seem trustworthy? I. don't know if they do. In 17-year-old.

Mackenzie Shirilla's case, she does not. testify. July 31st, 2022, 17-year-old. Mackenzie crashes a car going nearly 100. mph straight into a brick building. Her. boyfriend Dom in the front passenger. seat is killed. Their friend Davion in. the back seat is killed. And the only. survivor is Mackenzie. And she is now a. convicted murder. She didn't testify. during her murder trial. Although I will. say it wasn't a jury trial. She opted. for a bench trial, meaning it's the. judge that's going to be determining if.

her testimony is trustworthy. But even. after being convicted, Mackenzie and her. parents do not believe she's a murder. They think that this is an accident. All. three of them, Mackenzie and her. parents, Natalie and Steve, they sit. down with Netflix for the very viral. documentary The Crash. They try to. explain their side, and the reaction is. probably not what they were hoping for. The reaction that they received to this. whole thing of yapping on Netflix ranges. anywhere from oh my god, I hate the dad.

What's wrong with his shirt? All the way. to people spreading rumors that they. think Mackenzie and her dad have an. inappropriate relationship that was. happening in odd hours of the night. Steve Shirilla, the dad, even gets. placed on leave from his job. He's an. art teacher at a Catholic school because. of the comments that he makes on the. Netflix documentary. And one might think. that it would probably be in everyone's. best interest for Natalie and Steve to. let things quiet down after this Netflix. documentary goes live. After Steve loses. his job because maybe just shut up for a.

second, right? But no, they do not. They. want to keep quote clearing the air. They want to keep sharing their side of. things and every time they open their. mouths, it feels like they're just. making it worse. Since the release of the Netflix. documentary, Steve Shirilla has done a. few sit-down interviews and it's just. the point that he's trying to make. doesn't feel like it's being made on a. large scale. People just seem to hate. him more. Steve passionately rants in a. more recent interview, "There was no.

evidence to support the charges. There's. not. There was not. The prosecution came. up with that, she's a danger to society, blah, blah, blah, and there was no proof. of that. You know, they said she has no. remorse. They never spoke to her." Which. I mean, I guess sure, but one could also. argue that taking photos and videos. getting high in her car likely driving, that's very dangerous to society. considering she also just did kill. people in a car crash. And as for the no. remorse, she did go to a Kid Cudi. concert in a wheelchair and dressed up. for Halloween and went out in a ripped.

corset outfit with corpse-like makeup. So, I don't know if they necessarily. have to talk to her to gather in their. opinion that she has no remorse. But Chris Cuomo, who is the one. interviewing Steve, tries to ask him. about you know, I mean, maybe the no. remorse part comes from all the DMs and. like the social media posts. Like what. what about that? Steve goes from being. very loud, very aggressive, to a little. bit softer. That was something that was. involved prior. Cuz you remember she was. like talking to the modeling agency?

>> Mhm. >> It's like but that was something that. was involved prior. Some of that is. taken out of context, is blown out of. proportion. What is she supposed to dig. a hole and just hide in the hole for the. rest of her life after this? Chris Cuomo. fights back. Well, no, no, but it was. right after. Well, what does that mean? What does that mean? So, now she's not. allowed to live? She's lucky to be. alive. She says Mackenzie still doesn't. remember what happened in that [music]. car crash. He says she does not. remember. That has been her story from. day one. There's no memory of it. And.

I'm telling you I know my daughter does. not like pain. She would never ever hurt. herself intentionally. I know my. daughter. I've known that kid all her. life. I know when my daughter lies. I. just know my daughter. People don't really see that as a. spectacular defense. He just seems to. think it is. How can you know your. daughter when he himself admits that he. didn't know about the driving and. smoking weed videos and photos? So, like. how well do you really know your. daughter? >> Mhm. >> As for what happened in the car, he. says, "I'm not saying pot is the reason. for it. I'm not saying the car had an.

issue. I'm not saying the boys did. anything. I don't know. I have no idea. what happened in that car. And if I. don't have any idea, nobody does.". >> Okay. I feel like we all have an idea. why she turned out the way she did. >> But he doesn't. >> interview. >> And he says the analogy about how. Mackenzie was found guilty. And he's. saying this all after the fact. He's. saying the analogy is the wife dies, the. husband did it. That's it. That's the. analogy that's going on here. There's no. evidence of why it happened. There's no. evidence of why. There will never be any.

evidence of why. And that's the point. that needs to be taken here. The black. box information is is about the car. I. can't I can't explain the acceleration. I can't explain why the pedal was down. Could it have been the slipper stuck on. the pedal? That they refuted. Could it have been. the car? Uh yeah, it's just as likely as. she did it on purpose and there's no. evidence of purpose. And speeding is not. a precursor to murder. It's not I'm. sorry, it's recklessness, it's reckless. That's why it should have been vehicular. homicide in juvenile court. He says, "If.

it's just the black box information that. made his daughter guilty in the court of. law, then quote, the black box. information, then the car did this. The. car did it. Put the car in jail.". >> If they it's you got the car did this, the car did it, put the car in jail. >> We have no evidence of why. And you. can't just say, "Well, the science says. she was going fast, so that's intent.". That is absolutely ass. >> There seems to be a very interesting. explanation for just about everything. that people have been pointing out on. the internet. People are saying that.

Mckenzie was a bully in school. I mean, there are multiple school reports in the. foyer requests that don't necessarily. depict Mckenzie in a great light. One. teacher literally told administration. that she couldn't handle being verbally. assaulted by Mckenzie anymore. And. Steve's reaction is, "Well, I can't. explain it. Look, was she an angel? No. Did she have a problem with authority? Sometimes. I believe when she felt she. was being unjustly treated, she stuck up. for herself. That's the simple fact.". They say that the trial was unfair and.

they think that Mckenzie's lawyer did. not represent her fairly and they at the. time didn't know any better. Steve says, "You know, are we bad parents? No. Are. we uninformed parents of a child that. was on trial for murder? Yeah." As for. his parenting and how Mckenzie grew up, he says, "There was not a problem with. her until this accident." And how it got. blown out of proportion and how. everything now is so blown out of. proportion. Steve starts rambling more. or less about whether or not Dom's mom. knew the judge and if they had any sort. of working relationship, which I will.

say the judge and Dom's mom and Dom. himself, they all share the same last. name, Russo, but it's not a particularly. unique last name and they are not. related. But when Steve is asked whether. or not he has proof that there's some. sort of fix going on in court because he. keeps alluding to some sort of fix that. must have happened. Steve says, I have. as much proof that it's a fix and that. the judge is dirty or incompetent as. they do that my daughter did this on. purpose. All I have to do is say it. So. it's true, right? That's what the.

prosecution did. Steve ultimately. believes, quote, I'm sorry. No lawyer, no person is ever going to make me. believe that my daughter did this on. purpose. And that's probably like the only. statement of his that I truly believe. >> What do you mean? >> No one's going to convince him that his. daughter did this on purpose. But the. two parts of his most recent interviews. that have been going viral is there's. this one part in the interview where. he's talking to Chris Cuomo and he's. just talking about how he thinks that. the judge is biased and he's just.

throwing all these allegations out. there. And there's this very light airy. voice coming from the side cuz this is a. video zoom recording, like a zoom. interview. And it's like, I'm a boss. baby that can dance like a man. I can. shake and I'm fancy. I can shake my can. >> What the. >> baby that can dance like a man. I can. shake and I'm fancy. I can shake my can. >> Yes, that's all right. >> And it's like the most uncomfortable, weird, bizarre. Chris Cuomo looks stern. and he asks, what is that? It's my.

phone. It's a phone ring. That's your. ringtone? It's for a friend of mine. So. the ringtone is from a show called. Adventure Time. It's like a cartoon and. it I mean, there's nothing nefarious. about it, but it just adds to the. weirdness of like I've seen a lot of. memes online now where they just say the. whole family jail. The whole family. jail. They just don't get good vibes. >> Is it a children's thing or children's. cartoon? >> an adult cartoon if I'm not mistaken. But I think the choice of that in a. ringtone is very bizarre.

>> Exactly. >> At that age. >> Yeah. >> This whole interview is probably the. reason why defense attorneys, not that. Steve needs a defense attorney, that's. not what I'm saying, but a loose example. of probably why defense attorneys don't. necessarily think involved parties. speaking for themselves is ever helpful. in any situation. The whole interview is. a dumpster fire. Steve starts running. through hypotheticals. He's like, "What. if we can prove that her POTS caused her. to pass out and she seized and it caused. the accident." Which like there's. already so much wrong with that.

statement because typically when you. pass out from POTS, typically it's not a. seizure. You don't seize. You pass out, you go limp. >> Mhm. >> Chris Cuomo, who was an attorney before. he is like a journalist, newscaster, right? But he quickly responds, "Then it. would be an accident." "What if we can. prove that either one boy or the other. boy did something in the car that caused. the accident? Then she would not have. the intent and maybe not the act to. trigger a charge." "What if we could. prove the car malfunctioned? Then it was. an accident and maybe there's a case. against the manufacturer." It just seems. like every single point Steve tries to.

make, nothing really comes of it. It. just feels a lot like angry ranting. He'll say some crazy things like, "Just. because you don't like my daughter. doesn't mean she's guilty of murder. Just because you don't like what you see. on the internet about my daughter. doesn't mean it's murder. That's. speculation. That is reckless. speculation on anybody's part.". >> Just because you don't like my daughter. doesn't mean she's guilty of murder. >> And I tend to agree with that. Like. technically the points he's making make. sense. Just because you don't like. somebody doesn't mean they're guilty of.

murder. But it's the fact that your. daughter McKenzie is convicted of murder. that makes her guilty of murder. She is. guilty of murder. That is a statement of. fact in the court of law. She has been. found guilty. That is not speculation. That's not even reckless speculation. It's literally a matter of public. record. Otherwise, you could have a. field day suing everyone for defamation. Chris Cuomo goes to ask about McKenzie. and Dom's volatile relationship. And I. think this is the point in the interview. where I realized there's no coming back. for this person. Like there is nothing.

that he can say, I think, would convince. me or maybe people who feel like me to. even open their minds to the idea that. Steve might be on to something because. he's just so far off the pulse. There's. this moment where Chris Cuomo brings up. the relationship and Steve ducks his. head and he starts laughing cuz Chris. Cuomo categorizes Dom and McKenzie's. relationship as volatile. Steve starts. laughing. That's a lie. And I cut you. off. Sorry. That is a lie. >> That's a lie.

That's a lie. That's a lie. I'm going TO. CUT YOU OFF. SORRY. I got to cut you. off. That's a lie. >> That's a lie. Volatile is not the right. word. That is harsh. These kids fought. and they broke up and they got back. together. That was their MO. They. weren't fighting. This wasn't a volatile. relationship. They were never going to. break up. They were talking about. getting married. They were talking about. a life. They were buying furniture for. that house. They were making a life for. themselves. Period. That's it. They were. not breaking up. And anyone who says. that, sorry, that is untrue. That is a. lie. And that is a narrative that the.

prosecution needed to go to put my. daughter in a bad light to make it seem. like she had a thing against this kid. He claims they absolutely were not going. to break up. They did not have a. volatile relationship. But is that. really true? We went through the entire. FOIA and there are never-ending fights. [music] between McKenzie and Dom. McKenzie threatening to break open the. front door to be let into his house, refusing to leave him alone, and a. reoccurring fight between the two where. Dom accuses her of engaging in sex work.

Did Steve Shirilla know all of that and. still categorizes their relationship as. not volatile? Or does he genuinely think. that that is not a volatile. relationship? Or is he in denial? This. is part three of the McKenzie Shirilla. case. >> [music]. [music].

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of dedicated researchers. We'd also like. to thank you guys for your continued. support. As always, full show notes are. available at rottenmangopodcast.com. Today's case involves mentions of. illicit drug usage, reckless driving, driving while intoxicated, self-exit, and possible domestic violence and sex. work. We did pull the FOIA for this case. and literally went through tens of. thousands of pages of text messages, detective incident reports, autopsy. reports, and more. So, naturally, quotes. and statements may be condensed for. brevity. Secondly, there is a list of. discourse surrounding the case from.

loved ones involved all the way to. unrelated netizen audiences. So, to in. order to explain the entirety of the. case, we're going to go over all of. those, but just keep in mind throughout. that any opinions, comments, or. speculations made by netizens do not. represent our own. And this is part. three of a five-part series. In the. first part, we went over the crash. itself and generally what people. believed happened that night. In part. two, we broke down the Netflix. documentary as well as we actually. interviewed Rosie and Bubba, two of the. more controversial individuals in the. documentary. We asked them all the.

questions social media had. In this. part, we're going to be breaking down. all the relationships as well as. covering internet rumors, conspiracy. theories that people have about. Mackenzie's relationship with her. parents, and whether or not people. believe they [music] played some sort of. indirect role in all of this. In part. four, and I might switch this with part. five, but in part four, we'll probably. be breaking down the entire 31,000 page. document of text messages between. McKenzie and Dom. And in part five, we're going to cover the jail calls, the. alleged prison girlfriends, the trial, and the appeal, and where we're at. So,

with that being said, let's get started. I've watched a lot of documentaries. where police will talk about how they're. tasked with death notifications for. loved ones, and they always describe it. in a very similar, yet very specific. way. That the family members let out. what sounds like a guttural scream. Some. people have even described it as almost. sounding animalistic. It's not just this. like, "Oh, I'm so scared. Oh, I'm so. shocked I let out a scream." They say it. feels primal. It's almost like the. scream is being ripped out of them. Steve Shirilla says in an interview, [music] "If you would have heard her.".

He's talking about his daughter. So, he's saying, "When we told McKenzie that. Dom, her boyfriend, is dead, quote, 'If. you would have heard her when she found. out that Dom died, if you would have. heard the sound that came out of her, it. would have crushed you.'". >> When she found out that Dom died, if you. would have heard the sound that came out. of her, it would have crushed you. >> Natalie describes how McKenzie found. out. You know, she says, "In the night, McKenzie says, 'Where's Dom?'" And this. is when they're in the hospital. "I had. to tell her, I had to tell her that it. was him, that he didn't make it. And so, she screamed, and I said, 'I'm so. sorry.' She goes, 'No, it's not him.

It's not him. Please go check. Go. check.' And I said, 'McKenzie, it's him, because if it wasn't him, he'd be. here.'" Steve says, "That was. devastating to hear her. The sound, I. mean, it was gut-wrenching." Natalie. says right after, she was asking, "Well, what about Davion? Is he okay?" And I. had to say, "No, he didn't make it, either." And she was like, "Oh God." I. just thought that this was such an. unfortunate interview. I get that. McKenzie was dating Dom and was friends. with Davion. So, I'm not discounting. that this didn't happen. Like, I'm. saying, this probably did happen, or.

that these emotions were not genuine. But when her parents describe her. finding out, it's not really. sympathy-inducing. Because, yes, she can. be upset and be sad, but ultimately, she's the one that caused their deaths. So, it's like you can have this. experience, but maybe like don't share. it with the the And I didn't even want. to show this footage, but I've seen it. circulating now, and every time I watch. it, I think about how Mackenzie's. parents were describing her reaction, and it's just unfortunate. Because this. footage, we finally hear what the police. in the documentaries are talking about. when they talk about doing these death.

notifications and how they're the most. painful thing to do. When Dom's mom is. told that Dom didn't make it, there are. two cops, so they go to her house, and. they have to inform her. >> There was an incident uh that we believe. Dominic may be involved. >> What? >> Is is. Do you When was the last time you saw. him? >> Last night. >> Last night? >> Yeah, everybody was home. Why? >> Okay. >> What happened? >> There's two cops that are squatting down. on their knees next to her. She's. sitting outside on this chair on her. front porch, and they're sitting down.

next to her, and they're just telling. her, "Just stay seated, please. Take. your time. Take a deep breath." And. she's screaming, and they have to try to. calm her down, and she keeps screaming, "Oh my god, no, he can't be. He can't. be. What did she do?". >> Both Davion. and Dominic are deceased. >> Oh my god! >> Please, please, please. >> Oh my god! >> Sit down. >> Oh my god! >> No, no, no, PLEASE SIT DOWN. PLEASE SIT. DOWN. >> OH MY GOD! >> [screaming]. >> CHRIS IS GOING TO COME OUTSIDE. THAT'S OKAY. CHRISTINE, CHRISTINE.

>> YES, just take a deep breath. It's okay. >> Oh my god! >> No, no, no, just breathe, everything's. >> The scream, it's almost like she doesn't. really know entirely what to do with her. body as she's screaming. She almost. reflexively jumps out of the chair, but. she doesn't necessarily have anywhere to. go. It almost feels like as a mom, maybe. she's trying to go help, go do. something, save her child, but there's. nowhere to go. There's no [music] one to. be saved right now. I think I was just. getting very upset because I kept.

remembering what Mackenzie's parents. were saying about her when she found out. about Dom's death, and I was like crying. when I was watching Dom's mom's death. notification body cam footage that was. in the FOIA. It's just like eventually when they. think that she's calm enough, they go. inside her house with her, the police. do. But she's just she's like pacing. around her living room screaming, "It. can't be true. It can't be true." It's. like she can't sit still, but she also. she's like in shock, she's in denial. It. seems like there are multiple points.

throughout that the officers they either. seem like either they know they need to. let her go through these emotions or. they almost like don't know what to say. to bring her any comfort. But Dom's mom. starts asking, "What happened in the. car? What happened in the car? I didn't. want her driving anyway. I don't like. her driving. Oh my god. And that. other kid, I don't even know him. I. don't even know him.". >> God and that other kid, I don't even. know him. >> So she's talking about Davion and it. seems like she's getting hit with the. impact that not only is her son gone, but another life like another child is.

gone. [music] Because later she's. outside and she's crying, "Oh, that. other little kid. He's younger, I think. That little kid, it can't be.". >> Oh, that other little kid. He's younger, I think. That little kid. >> She asked the police, "Why couldn't they. save him?" The officers have nothing to. say. They can't even respond. >> [music]. >> She explains, "I was making buffalo. chicken dip. They said that they had. some party to go to and they were going. to [music] be back to eat the dip. I was. making the dip." Dom's mom will later. tell the judge that when she found out. that Dom and Davion were gone, she. [music] says, "I called McKenzie's.

mother hysterical with the loss of my. son and Davion. I knew McKenzie was in. the hospital and the first [music]. statement, Natalie, McKenzie's mom, said. to me was, 'Oh, please don't listen to. what everyone's saying on Facebook.'". Yeah, my son is dead. His friend is dead. and I'm checking on yours, but social. media is what's important? Social media. after the crash in Strongsville, Ohio. has been a literal hellhole. People who. know McKenzie are posting things about. her, against her, in support of her, and. a lot of the posts are just questionable. and weird at best. For example, one of.

McKenzie's friends decides that she's. going to post McKenzie on Snapchat. And. it is a picture of McKenzie in the. driver seat of her car holding a giant. blunt. I mean, it doesn't look like. she's in motion, but she's in the driver. seat holding a giant blunt. This is an. absolutely completely sane picture to. choose considering the circumstances, okay? And this friend writes in the. caption, "Happy birthday Kenzie. Shirilla. You're in everyone's thoughts. and prayers, beautiful girl. Nobody. involved deserved this whatsoever. And. to the people talking down on her as if.

any of you haven't said some you. probably shouldn't have. Respectfully, right off." Just because y'all had. beef don't give you the right to speak. about her when she's fighting for her. life right now. She was the sweetest to. the people she cared about and loved, always greeting everyone with a smile. and a hello. I'll never forget chopping. it up with you in gym class hitting our. pens. Happy birthday, gorgeous. You're. going to get through this." Which I'm. not saying that you can't form a real. friendship over a smoking weed together. in gym class, but like that's your. fondest memory of McKenzie and you're. ready to defend her with such a picture. and such a passion. It's so odd to me.

Meanwhile, McKenzie is DMing Rosie, the. friend that we interviewed for the last. episode. This is after the crash. This. is like a few days after the crash. Did. you get the new Skims? I got this cute. >> Skims? >> Yeah, Skims. Like the. >> The dress? >> Like the loungewear. I got this cute. set, soft lounge. Rosie responds, "Oh my. god, no. I need to order more. I need. the leggings. Show me when you can, the. new ones." This is 20 days after the. crash. McKenzie is just saying, "I got. it in pink, too. Literally, we need to. become the Skims duo." What is. happening?

>> Crazy. >> What is happening? The police even agree. with Dom's mom because Dom's mom is. later telling the police like, "When I. first called Natalie, she's talking. about Facebook and I wanted to punch her. in the face." The police agree. And one. officer tells her, "You know, we went. there to the hospital and her biggest. concern was what the people are posting. on the Strongsville page on Facebook and. can we intervene?" And that was her. biggest concern when we walked in. >> First thing that she said to me when I. called I was hysterical after finding. out and she says, "Oh, are you calling. about Facebook?" If I could have punched. her and chucked. >> We went there and her biggest concern.

was what people are posting on the. Strongsville page and can we intervene. and that was her biggest concern. >> Even in the first hospital visit, one of. the officer notes in his report, quote, "Natalie expressed concern about the. public's reaction on social media. McKenzie was barely able to speak. She. asked to see photos of her vehicle. I. told her once she's discharged, we can. arrange for her to see them." Then a few. days later, Natalie calls the detective. again reporting a couple of girls for. saying, quote, "mean things to her. daughter on social media." Although. Natalie said her daughter was no longer. on social media, she states that there.

are two girls bullying McKenzie. The. report reads, "The second girl, whom she. only identified as Jenna, reportedly. blamed McKenzie for killing Dom on. purpose." Natalie said McKenzie had. screenshots of the messages. I asked her. to email them to me and I would look. into it. I further explained to Natalie. that unless the speech was threatening. in nature, I will not be able to control. what people say about the events. Natalie never emailed me the. screenshots. Even later when police are. giving McKenzie her phone back, the. officers are just saying like they're. still investigating. To which Steve, the. dad, butts in, "What are people coming.

in and saying?" He's asking like what. are people reporting to you? The cops. naturally tell him, "I cannot tell you. that. That's the investigation." To. which Natalie, I don't know who made her. the police chief, she says, "Well, it. doesn't matter if it has nothing to do. with the crash." The officer explains, "Well, we don't know. We have to put. everything together." And I can see why. people think that all Natalie and Steve. care about are what people are saying. about their daughter rather than what. she did that caused those two boys to. lose their lives. Another report from. the hospital record reads, "Patient. continues statements of depression and. quote, 'Why did this happen to me?' Mom.

and Dad both acknowledge her feelings. and assist with making patient feel. better." And it just feels like it takes. a very special person to be talking. about Skims 20 days after a fatal crash. where two people died and you were the. driver, but still wonder why why did. this happen to me? It's all so weird. Like how do you even get to that point? A lot of people think it's the parents. And I have seen people online and maybe. it's based off looks or maybe it's based. off the fact that two of them have. really viral Netflix documentaries where. they're both interviewed or the fact.

that they're both moms, who knows? But, a lot of people have been I've seen. compare Natalie to Kendra. Remember the. mom who was texting and bullying her own. daughter for years and then Yeah, to. Kendra. That Kendra was comforting her. daughter while also being the one that. was anonymously cyber harassing her. Kendra, that Kendra. Some netizens point. out that both Kendra and Natalie have. this very weird feeling that they give. people where it just feels like they. want to be friends with their daughters. They don't want to be moms, they want to. be in high school and they want to be. friends with all the friends.

>> But, Kendra once was basically bullying. the daughter the whole time. >> Yes. >> Natalie Shurella was more what? >> Enabling. >> Uh-huh. So, why what's the similarity. exactly? >> I think the similarity lies in the fact. that they both want to be their. daughter's friends. Like, they both want. to be in that age group. Not necessarily. friends. Like, I know, you know, Kendra. is bullying her daughter, so it may not. seem like she wants to be friends with. her daughter, but more so they're stuck. in like this arrested development phase. where they all act like high schoolers. So, instead of disciplining their.

daughter and being like, "No, you're not. allowed to do that." They act like a. high schooler themselves is what people. are kind of connecting the dots. These. are opinions online. These are not. facts, it's just opinions. And it's the. energy, I suppose. For example, there's. this one incident where. even when Okay, this is from the body. cam and I don't know, maybe I'm being. petty, maybe I'm being like hyper. judgmental, but the officers inform. Natalie and Steve Shurella that most. likely I'm going to be on her past. They're in the hospital. So, McKenzie's. being operated on and it is without a. doubt an incredibly traumatic situation.

for them in their own perspectives. But, Natalie is asking for the officers that. she might need a puke bucket. And this. is like such a niche experience like. that I'm connecting to this, okay? The. officer goes to fetch one for her. And. like the way she asked for a puke bucket. almost seems casual. Like, she's like, "Oh my god, I'm going to throw up." It's. not like, "No, I'm genuinely going to. throw up.". >> Puke bucket for you? You want a puke bucket? We can get you. one. >> [clears throat].

>> Where is my wife? >> So the officer is like, do you need a. puke bucket? She confirms she needs a. puke bucket. Officer goes to fetch one. for her and says something along the. lines of like, well you're in the best. place to have one. AKA, you're in a. hospital, we got a lot of puke buckets. She responds, that was a good joke. >> You're in the best place to have one. Thanks. That was a good joke. >> Okay. Do we need to like do we need to. throw up well or do we need to convince. the nurse to quit her job and pursue. stand up? Like I just thought it was. odd, right? But then she, in my personal.

humble opinion, and this might be like. hyper judgmental because I have a lot of. experience throwing up. Okay, I am. someone who is super prone to nausea. Everything makes me nauseous. I have. Zofran on the go at all times. She's not. really sitting like someone who's about. to throw up. She's sitting with her legs. crossed in the chair and she's leaning. back. >> When I have to throw up, I've met. someone who's about to throw up. They're. always forward and they have a puke. bucket or some sort of container ready. to go just in case or they're kind of. hunched because when you extend your.

stomach, it always makes the nausea. worse. That's why people go into like a. fetal position when they're throwing up. all night from drinking or whatever it. may be, right? And she's leaning back. She hasn't even touched the puke bucket. She just places it on the chair next to. her. >> So she doesn't look like she's about to. throw up. >> Yeah, and like none of this really means. anything, but I just thought it was. weird because you're in a highly tense. emotional situation. The last thing I. would do is like go through this whole. dramatic back and forth with multiple. parties of getting a puke bucket if I.

genuinely was not on the verge of. throwing up. It just feels like a really. weird intricate song and dance involving. multiple parties of grabbing this puke. bucket and doing a lot when you are in. this heightened emotional state. Like if. I were in this situation, I just could. not foresee myself asking for any sort. of puke canister, bucket, bag unless I. was literally on the verge of throwing. up on the floors. And even then, I think. I would try to hold it in until I could. no longer. None of this, again, means. anything, but I guess it's the whole.

energy that Natalie gives off is a. little bit strange. And maybe I am being. harsh. I just thought it was a little. dramatic. She also Natalie does this. thing where she makes custom balaclavas. that McKenzie will wear. So, like the. kind of they look like rave balaclavas. Like you you know with the bunny ears, like a ski mask with the face cut off, and then with the bunny ears, and then. you wear them with like bikinis to the. raves. >> Okay. She hand makes them? >> Yeah, she I guess she hand makes them, and McKenzie will wear them, and. sometimes I guess she sells them cuz I. see a lot of Instagram DMs where she's. trying to sell them. And McKenzie will.

tell people like, "My mom custom makes. them. Her at is this. You can DM her, and I think she's only going to charge. you $20, but if you live far, she'll. have to add $5 shipping, but it. shouldn't take long, probably a week.". And again, I don't have children. But if. my 17-year-old daughter were posting. these types of videos wearing the. balaclavas that I made, and wearing. these types of clothes, and filming. herself smoking weed, I feel like I. would have to ground her for half a. century. It's just like not hard to feel. that McKenzie's priorities are all. screwed up, and it feels like maybe even. Natalie's are. Even when the officers. are giving McKenzie her phone back,

Natalie, the mom, clarifies with the. officers. And this is in the hospital, and this is in the hospital report, the. officer report. "You had search. activity, you downloaded the date, everything, you know, now nobody's. looking at it.". >> You wouldn't be able to explain what we. >> So, Natalie is asking the officer, like, "You got the search activity, you. downloaded the date, like everything, now nobody's looking at it. Like, no. one's going to look at her stuff. Like, her phone is private now.". >> Uh-huh. >> And the officer is like, "We mirrored. the phone, we're going to look through. the phone." Right, but everything she. does now, now she's on her own. So, they're like, "Yeah, now she's on her. own. Like, we're not going to we don't.

have like a tracker on her phone. We're. not watching in real time what she's. doing on her phone." And it's just. interesting that Natalie is so gung-ho. about that. Later she asks again, "So, this, you know, this one does have total. privacy again. Yeah, total privacy. From. here on out, everything we're going to. look at we have already obtained through. a search warrants for, you know, everything including social media. And. while they go over the copy of the. search warrants, Mackenzie asks [music]. the officer, "Are people going through. my Snapchats, too? Like opening stuff?". Cuz she's got her phone back for [music]. the first time in the hospital.

>> Mhm. >> Uh we did not. We just mirrored your. phone. So they're like, "We didn't go. through your Snapchat, but like we. mirrored your phone." Because I see like. three of them open. The officer. clarifies with Mackenzie, "We did not, but either way, even if we did, we have. a search warrant. We're going to look. through everything that's on your phone. So like maybe we didn't now, but we are. going to." I'm not entirely sure why. that's her biggest concern right now, but if she must know, we did receive. four massive folders just containing her. Snapchat data extracts, so. >> Crazy. >> Yeah, they did go through your Snapchat, and so did we. We FOIA'd this case, and.

the Snapchat files the police gave us. were extensive and ridiculously out of. context. I'm just taking you on the. journey that we went on in the multiple. zip files of Snapchat evidence. We kept. seeing, okay, like obviously we saw. messages and like we saw her posting. like random things on Snapchat, but we. also saw there would be like random. things out of context and we're just. trying to like contextually piece it. together. We see so many pictures of. Mackenzie with a white wall behind her, almost like a passport photo. Like, why. she Snapchating passport photos? It's so. weird. Just variations of poses.

Sometimes it's slightly pouty, less. pouty, hair back, hair in front, one. side of hair in front, one side of hair. in back. I'm like, okay, is she getting. a passport? And I don't know why we're. like, we need to get to the bottom of. this. We were like literally sitting. around the dining table and I'm like, "Okay, team, we got to get to the bottom. of this." No no reason, okay? But we. just needed to know. We needed to see it. through. And we think, based off the. context clues, those are the photos that. she's sending to fake ID websites to try. and buy a fake ID online from. >> she just like screenshotted that right. before, right?

>> Yeah, so it's like fakeid.com, like. something as ridiculous. It's the most. fake fake ID website name that you could. think of, and she has screenshots of her. applying for fake IDs on those websites. She also screenshots pictures of her. phone, of her like weird search history. Can you see a person's age using a debit. card? Then she screenshots the answer. from Quora, which reads, "None. In Nope, in the states there is nothing on your. debit card to indicate your age. Your. card lists your bank name, your name, and card's expiration date, and your. debit card number tied to your bank.

account. That's it." She seemingly. documents her search for the best senior. quote of all time. She starts searching. on Pinterest. The 100 most epic and. funny senior quotes, Planet of Success. She clicks on that one. One of them. reads, "See kids, I told you your mom. was hot back in high school." Another. reads, "I have to be successful because. I like expensive things." Ultimately, and like you would have to tell me if. you can confirm, if you have this. yearbook, it seems she settles on this. poetic masterpiece. "You can't get what. you always want, but I certainly can." I.

don't know how that's. >> What's that? >> Yeah. It's like the weirdest quote. Yeah. She also complains to her friends. about Dom on Snapchat via audio notes. that I think she thought disappears. forever into the ether, goes into the. intergalactic space, but like we have. them. She sends this to a friend, "No, like he gets me flowers and stuff like. that. I don't know though, but I have to. be like, if you don't do this I'm. breaking up with you. If you don't make. it up to me we're done. Like you have. until 6:00 today or we're done type. Like that's like how it is. So it. makes it like not special. He can never.

just like apologize on his own, make it. up to me on his own.". >> And I have to kind of like give him that. like little Actually, no, a giant ass. push. Like I have to shove him. off a 60-foot diving. board type. >> Another audio message where McKenzie. says, "I have told him a million times. that I will be the perfect girlfriend.". >> "Perfect girlfriend. I will clean. I. will literally clean his house in a. maid costume. All he has to do. is be good and get me what I want and be. good to me.". >> That's how it is. He can't do that. Like. it's a really not that hard to please. me. Then another one. >> "Guys are pee brains. Like real.

they do not think big at all. >> She complains quite a bit. She also. whines to another friend. So, she got. into this modeling school and like by. got in, her parents paid for it. Okay, that's pretty much it. She says, "Today. was the worst class I have. literally ever been in my whole goddamn. life. Like I'm honestly starting to feel. like this shit's a scam. Like I paid. $4,000. I mean, my family did for me to. go to this modeling school. I thought I. would get placed immediately. But like. dude, this shit's taking so long and.

we're like doing repetitive It. just feels like cosmetology school all. over again. Like I don't even know. They. treat us like children, too. Like I don't even know how to. describe this to you. I hate it. Every second of it. And this is going to. sound even worse. I don't even know. >> I don't even know like the fact that. like some of those people even made it. in. It's like it's shocking. It's. shocking. Like y'all ugly as hell. Like. how the are y'all in here? Like we. need the supermodel looking. Like there's like five girls who are hot.

in that class. Like and the rest are. weird as. >> Also, in her Snapchat folders, you know, she's filling out this medical exam and. it asks her like most do, "Do you. currently smoke or vape? Yes or no?" And. there's a little box next to yes, little. box next to no. Okay? She of course. indicates yes, but instead of doing a. check mark or an X or filling in the. box, she does a heart around yes. And. then takes a picture and sends it to. somebody on Snapchat. I don't know. because now we have it in the Snapchat. file. So, yeah. McKenzie, the police.

went through your Snapchat history and. so did we. So, kind of a dumb question. to ask whether or not the police opened. her Snapchat. But on the note of dumb. questions, later at McKenzie asks the. officers if they were all wearing body. cameras. Which side note, this is before. her arrest. So, it's possible that she. thinks that they're just investigating. and the case is going to be concluded. with her getting her license suspended. for like 10 years, which is what she. asked them to do, right? But she asks if. they're wearing body cams. They confirm. She asks to see them. They tell her no.

>> When was this? When was she asking? >> She's in the hospital. >> Oh. >> So, this is like after the crash. >> And the police is currently wearing a. body cam. This is being recorded. >> they were audio recording a lot of these. hospital Yeah, they were not I didn't. get the body cam probably cuz HIPAA and. like there's lots of stuff happening in. the Actually, well, I do see a lot of. body cams in hospitals. Maybe cuz she's. on Well, >> Yeah. >> But we only got audio, you're saying? Okay. >> Yes. Mhm. And so, she's acting like this. is just like a friendly hee-hee ha-ha. girly pop chat. And she's like, "Why. can't I see it?" Like, what do you mean.

why can't you see it? This is an open. investigation. Like, they're not just. going to give you What do you mean? >> She's like, "My mom would give it to me. Like, that would would have given it to. me.". >> Like, 10 years ago. >> You can get what you want, but I. certainly can't. >> [laughter]. >> Exactly. What the hell is going on right. now? It's just all very deplorable. behavior. And I don't know if Natalie. and Steve ever called their daughter out. on it or if all they do is sympathize. Natalie, as per her very recent Daily. Mail interview. So, Steve's been doing. like I've seen at least two on-camera. interviews. Natalie has a Daily Mail.

interview. She says, "I'm always going. to be a villain in someone's story. because I'm the mom of someone driving a. car who killed two kids. That's okay. because I know I'm not a villain. I'm a. good person. [music] So is my daughter. She's not how she's being labeled. online. She struggles with this daily. She's being labeled online as a murderer. and she was convicted of murder. So, I. don't know. She says, quote, "I feel. trapped. I feel like we're stuck in. quicksand and we can't get out. I feel. so bad for McKenzie, but at the same. time I feel so bad for the other. families. I love Dom. I still love Dom.

McKenzie still loves Dom. She's. struggling. Dom was like part of our. family." Steve says in the documentary, "She's lucky to be alive, but I was. torn. I had some guilt being happy for. my daughter and knowing that [music] Dom. and Davion passed.". I think what you wear to a very. important event is very indicative of. who you may be as a person. I mean, typically, you don't wear white to. someone else's wedding unless asked to. And if you do, it's very indicative of. who you are as a person. And maybe. sometimes you don't wear a graphic. t-shirt that says boom on there when.

you're being interviewed about how your. daughter crashed a car into a building. at nearly 100 miles per hour to the. point where investigators say it looked. like the car exploded. And ultimately, that car crash killed two boys. Maybe. don't wear the boom shirt. >> Was this in Netflix or. >> Yes, Netflix. >> That's even crazier. >> Yeah. >> It's freaking you know, this is a. documentary. People like wardrobe is a. huge thing. >> And like the emphasis that they have on. lighting. Like if you see some of these. like setups for these documentaries. behind the scenes, the amount of lights.

it's like 10% room, 90% lights and. camera crew studio. Like it's just so. intense. >> yeah, to the T. >> Yeah. And I'm sure they don't have like. a makeup team for, you know, documentary. interviewees, but like it's still a big. day on the calendar that you think of. and you plan ahead of time and you're. like, okay, well, I need to wear. something that is Yeah, but no, he wears. a boom shirt. It's a shirt that reads. boom on there. It looks like a graphic. tee and he's wearing this throughout the. Netflix documentary. And netizens have. thoughts ranging anywhere from it's just.

a shirt to he's an art teacher. He's. trained in media literacy. He did this. on purpose and it's wild. >> Mhm. >> Another one reads, it feels like he's. making a joke about his daughter's. actions. Maybe I'm reading into it, but. it's not a good look. Another says, their level of immaturity in that family. runs deep. Another says, zero. situational awareness whatsoever. To. which later Steve does an interview. where he's asked about this boom shirt. But not before he very sarcastically. points out. So, in this new interview. after Netflix, he's wearing this solid.

orange polo shirt. So, it's got the polo. logo, but like just mainly orange, right? He says, is this okay? I I don't. want to trigger anybody in this world. and I'm wearing this orange polo. I hope. it's you know, I'm not color blind. enough for anybody. Oh, the shirt I was. wearing is from DripDrop. So, the boom. shirt. He's like, it's from this. drip-drop, which is Crime Circus on. YouTube." Crime Circus has been a. defender for my daughter. He's been made. many posts saying she's innocent, and he. shows the evidence, and he contradicts. what people say. >> there is a YouTuber defending.

>> Yeah. >> McKenzie Shirilla? >> Like way before the Netflix documentary, like during the trial, as it was. happening, I believe. >> And this is their merch? >> It's one of their merch. I mean, people. have been saying he's got tons of merch. you could have chosen from. >> merch was related to this case? >> Okay. >> Unrelated to this case. >> Still crazy. >> Yeah. And yeah, yeah. He's like, you. know, he shows the evidence, he. contradicts people that who say, "No, she's guilty, blah, blah, blah." And he. goes, "No, you have to look at this and. this." About a month after her trial, one of his posts showed up with us.

Somebody had sent it to us, and he had. found five, six videos, interviews from. the Strongsville Police Department that. were not in discovery or were not in the. discovery that we could find. And he. says that in those videos, people allude. to McKenzie passing out and having. seizures. So, it's like [music] it's a. very lengthy police discussion with. Angela, which is Dom's brother, and he. like alludes like, "Yeah, I've heard. about McKenzie passing out and having. seizures, right?" Or whatever. But he's. saying like, "Oh, that's proof.". Regardless, I don't really think it's. that pertinent because the verdict did.

come out the way it did come out. He's. saying that he didn't get it in. discovery, which I mean, if that's true, that's a huge, huge allegation, and I. would imagine that their appeal would go. forward, but it hasn't so far. I mean, they're going to the Supreme Court, but. it's just a huge allegation that I I. don't know because I don't know what. they got in discovery, right? When I I. mean, I got it when we did the FOIA. request. I didn't particularly find. anything in there nefarious. Like, you. know, the points where I was talking.

about in the last episode where Dom's. mom was saying, "Oh, I'm not even. worried about McKenzie's attorney. He's. not a concern for me." They kind of took. it as, "Oh, everything is rigged." I. took it more as like, she found out who. the Shirillas hired. I don't think she's. the one that told them to hire them. And. then she's like, "I don't think he's a. great attorney." I think that was the. vibe I got. >> Yeah. >> Of like, he's not like this crazy, he's. not Mark Agnifilo, probably. Anyway, back to the shirt. He said the. shirt was Crime Circus's logo and one of. his swag that he sells. So, I wore the. shirt to say thank you for what he was.

doing for my daughter and he's done a. lot. If I see him, I'm going to hug him. That's the first thing I'm going to do. He's been a very good champion for what. I feel is misjustice against my daughter. and the lack of evidence to support the. charges. So, that's what the shirt was. about. Not me being color blind to two. boys dying because it was horrible. A. day doesn't go by that I don't think. about it. And that was one of the. toughest things for me to do with this. whole thing. At the beginning was, how. can I be happy that my daughter's alive. and breathing and the fact that these. two boys died. The shirt was a thank you. to Crime Circus. It wasn't me being. color blind or insensitive to anybody.

because that's the most idiotic because, oh my god, why would I do that? That's. got to be the dumbest take on that. shirt. And again, >> But you did. >> Yeah. >> You did wear that. >> Yeah. And then. >> Apologize. >> Yeah. >> You can still explain, but just. apologize. >> That was his apology. And then he hits. it with a, you know, and again, everyone, this is orange. I'm sorry if. it's offensive. I apologize now. >> And again, everyone, it's orange. I'm sorry if it. if it's offensive. I apologize now. >> They're just so not likable. They're. making everything not regarding to the.

case or legal side of it. They're just. such unlikable people. >> Yeah. They're people that I would not. want to spend any second of my free time. with. willingly. In another comment, it reads, "He's the type of dad that joins his. daughter's OnlyFans account for quote. support." That [music] comment got like. 48,000 likes. So, this is a sentiment. that, I mean, I don't know, you describe. a lot, but that to me is a lot of people. that liked it. McKenzie's dad, Steve. Sherrill, says, "Again, am I a perfect. parent?" No. And Natalie is like backing. him up and she's like, "Nobody is. No.

one is. Have I made mistakes with my. kids? Sure. It's It's like life, you. know?" McKenzie's mom, Natalie Butson, "But she wasn't a bad kid. She didn't. need to be disciplined a lot. You know, I mean, she I mean, the only the worst. is her mouth. And clearly, our. definitions of good parenting and bad. kid are so vastly different that one of. us might be reading the dictionary and. the other party might be reading the. freaking Hobbit. Because like, what do. you mean? In the police FOIA file, we. received this lengthy document. It's the. cell byte extract of text messages. between McKenzie and her dad. And I will.

say, the internet has taken some. snippets of it and ran with it to very. interesting directions and corners of. darkness. For example, there's the whole. warm milk bit online. I guess people. have been pulling messages and McKenzie. seems to ask her dad for quote warm milk. at odd hours of the day or more often. odd hours of the night. And there are. some notable ones. So for example, I. mean, I was combing through looking for. these warm milk messages because I saw. people talking about it online before I. even got to it. January 4th, 2020,

McKenzie texts her dad at 2:43 a.m. Middle of the night. Can you make me. warm milk? He doesn't respond until 1:00 p.m. the. next day. [music] Sorry, just seeing. this. You still want milk? Then 2 days later at 11:31 p.m., McKenzie texts her dad again. Can you. make me warm milk? He responds, okay. Thanks. When you come in, be quiet. Then. later in March 2020, McKenzie texts her. dad at 11:35 p.m. Can you rub my feet? This seems to like be a thing that she. does because months later there are. similar messages. Could you please come.

up here and rub my feet? They're in pain. and mom will not do a good job. Can you. rub my feet? Which is interesting. April 2nd, 2020, 11:12 p.m., McKenzie. asks again, will you make me warm milk? He responds the next morning at 10:00. a.m. Just saw this, do you still want? [music]. No. Sorry, my phone was dead. Then May 5th, 2020 at midnight, can you make me warm. milk? Again, May 8th, 2020 at 3:00 a.m., can you make me warm milk? To which. Steve responds, K.

McKenzie asks, can you do it now? Then again, May 9th, 2020, [music] "Can. you make me milk?". And I don't know if it's maybe a lot of. people who don't really drink a lot of. warm milk, or maybe just like a vibe. that people are picking up, but comments. on TikTok read, "Warm milk is not warm. milk." That comment has almost 30,000. likes. People are debating under that. comment section, you know, arguing what. they think warm milk means. Some say, "Warm milk helps you come off certain. drugs." So, like, it is warm milk, but. the reason she needs it so much is.

because she's trying to come down from a. drug. Others say, "No, it sounds like a. sexual thing." Another comment just. reads, "Google Urban Dictionary meaning. for warm milk." Which I did, and there. is a list of different definitions. ranging from the beverage you drink. while thinking of excuses to explain why. you can't fish because your wife or. others won't let you. Basically, you're. a bit baby. All the way to it's a web. comic, and all the way to, quote, "Wank. Jerk off furiously during a bout of. insomnia as a way to work up the heart. rate and therefore exhaust oneself to.

sleep." So, there are some people on the. internet who believe that they think. something weird is going on between. McKenzie and her dad, with one comment. reading, "This feels like a grossly. inappropriate relationship." Others. don't think it's that dark necessarily. They theorize online, "Warm milk helps. you come down from very specific. substances. Just an FYI, sounds like she. was a junkie and her dad was an enabler. So, still probably bad.". >> Did she ask for anything else? >> Oh, yeah. I'm going to get into that. Now, one comment with over 40,000 likes.

reads, "Child of addicts here. I was. always told warm milk helps you come. down from drugs.". >> Huh. >> So, there is no proof that something. strange is happening like some netizens. theorize, because I kept seeing, I don't. know if it was my algorithm, but TikTok. was just like, "Something weird's going. on between her and her dad." But then. I'm reading the messages, and I honestly. would say that, this is my feeling, I. wouldn't be surprised if McKenzie is. literally just asking for warm milk, like a literal glass of warm milk. And. maybe it's weird to some people because. I wouldn't wake my dad up at 3:00 in the. morning to ask for a favor, but that.

sounds just about exactly what Mackenzie. would do. But like I said, I don't know. if I would be surprised if she's just I. wouldn't be surprised at anything at. this point. But I could see her just. using him as a butler. She asks him to. make her hot cocoa, bring her tanning. oil, buy her spray paint, make her. stencils out of cardboard. She also. asked him to edit her photos, texting. him, "Did you fix the pic? I need you to. fix it ASAP. I'm trying to post.". >> That's crazy. >> Yeah, she. >> Like Photoshop? >> Yeah, she sends more pictures and she's. like, "Make those lighter." She asked.

him to make her pants, and again, more. milk. She'll text him at night around. 11:00 p.m. "Milk? Question mark? Question mark?". He doesn't respond. "Okay or not." Then. more messages, "Will you make me warm. milk, please?" No response. Mackenzie. texts back, "Are you home? Can you. please try to book me a massage sooner. than 7:00? I have a birthday party that. I have to leave for at like 6:00. Mom is. telling me to book it. When first of. all, I never even talk to adults, and I. don't have no money, and I don't drive.". Yeah.

Then later messages show Mackenzie. complaining about said warm milk, and. she says, "Milk is cold AF. I'm going to. drink it, but it's not warm.". Steve responds, "Bring it down." It's. just interesting. I can't imagine. critiquing my parents about how they. warm up milk. I wouldn't even give a. Michelin star chef those notes if I'm. paying for an expensive cup of milk. It's just a like a lot. It's very harsh. But that's apparently her dynamic with. her parents. One DM between Natalie and. Mackenzie, Natalie says, "Are you good. with the D, or do you want to complete. those final assignments?" If my mom ever.

came up to me as a minor and said, "Are. you good with getting a D in this class, or are you going to finish those. assignments?" Guess what that means. That means I'm finishing those. assignments tonight, even if I'm falling. asleep at my desk, because that was her. way of saying, "You're finishing those. assignments, okay?". She's asking her about her grades. Mackenzie responds, "Dude, I don't care. about a D.". >> Wait, what what is happening? So, the. mom is asking if she would like to. finish assignment?

>> so she's saying. >> asking? Like, "Hey, are you going to uh. finish that?". >> Yeah, but like I guess I'm thinking like. if my mom. >> like, "Are you okay with a D?" Like. that's the question? >> I guess so, but like. >> Are you good with that? >> Usually when parents ask that, it's more. so you're going to finish the. assignments, right? But then she. responds, "Dude, I don't care about a. D." And now this is where I'm expecting. Natalie to like mom and be like, "Hey, you might not care, but guess who cares? The car you're never going to drive, the. outside world that you're never going to. see because you're going to be. grounded." Like something like that. I'm.

expecting. Natalie responds, "Unless you. want to fix it. That's what I thought. A. D is passing, so it's all good. LOL.". >> That is insane response. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Insane. >> I was reading that and I was like, am am. I reading the right person? And I'm. like, "No, this is Natalie Schrollus'. Instagram DMing her.". >> And they're Instagram DMing? Yeah. >> [sighs]. >> Holy, this is crazy. >> I feel like Natalie just tries really. hard to be McKenzie's friend. McKenzie. will even tell Natalie about her night.

out with friends. She'll say things. like, quote, "They knew my ID was fake. They told me. We did leave and then we. went to Grace's." Natalie responds, "I'm. glad you went out and had a good time.". >> Holy, this is. >> I feel like okay, I understand that when. you're raising kids, maybe there comes a. point where you know that your kids not. out maybe or you know that your kid did. something, but like maybe you don't. confront them. Because maybe you let it. pass for like whatever parenting reason. you decide, okay? But the fact that the. kid is telling you and then you're like,

"Well, I'm glad you had fun." is like. not in a world that I can imagine. >> No, this is like they flipped the. parenting dynamic around. It's almost. like McKenzie is the parent. >> This is so weird to me. >> is going on here? >> That's what I'm saying. Her parents seem. much much, much, much, much less strict. than my parents ever were and I feel. like my parents were pretty open-minded. raising us. Like it's just I feel like. my parents are stricter on me now as a. full-blown adult than McKenzie's parents. were at her age at 17.

>> Yeah. >> In one text thread, McKenzie is texting. Dom. >> 15 if she was 2020. >> yeah. I feel like my parents expect more from. me now as a full-blown adult. >> Yeah, yeah. >> And so there's another point where. McKenzie is texting Dom about alcohol. and she says, "How are we going to get. alcohol? My dad said make it with. vodka." So she's like getting advice. from her dad and Dom is like, "Just ask. your mom to go buy some." Later McKenzie. says, "Okay, well, I'm waiting for my. dad so give me the money so we can go. and I'll get the Jell-O and everything.

You can help me make the margaritas for. the pre-game.". Okay, I mean, the implication there is. like I don't know, you draw the. implication you want, right? But Dom. sends a list of things that he needs and. there's Casamigos silver on there which. is alcohol. McKenzie later confirms that. her dad got the orange liquor which is. alcohol and when they get back, I guess. the party is being hosted at McKenzie's. parents' house and she says, "Well, my. dad is power washing the deck for us.". What I'm getting out of this is is he. buying them alcohol and also cleaning up.

for their party. >> Yeah. >> that they're hosting at their house? Like is that what we are to assume from. this cuz that's crazy. Later in other. messages, McKenzie mentions to Dom that. she's going to go to the dispensary with. her dad. McKenzie texts Dom, this is. back in February of 2020, "My dad asked. if I know someone who has hella female. weed seeds. I'll pay you, should give. him some.". >> That is insane. So there not only he the. parents not only buying. her alcohol, he's buying her weed at 15.

>> Well, I don't know if he's buying it for. her or for himself, right? Or McKenzie. could be making this up, right? But. there's text messages between her and. her dad where McKenzie asks her dad, Steve, "You want weed peanut butter?" He. responds, "No, lol. I don't like to eat. my weed.". I'm going to give you a little. Are you. making me milk? Dad, Dad, are you home? Then a, are you okay? Yes, I'm okay. I feel like I have a. cold. Okay, to be honest, you need weed. I'm worried. Lol, don't be worried. I.

actually feel good. Just got irritated. that I got it and have to quarantine for. 10 days. They're talking about COVID. Yeah, that's gay as. COVID some BS. You. shouldn't have taken the test. >> You shouldn't have taken the COVID test? >> Yes, so there's This is like a. reoccurring trend throughout McKenzie's. text messages with other people. She. talks about how she can buy negative. tests, like tests that show a negative, instead of taking that. >> Wait, I'm still lost. >> So like cuz you know there was like. mandatory quarantining. >> Oh, so as long as you show negative, you. can just be out and about.

>> Yeah. Yes. >> With COVID. >> Yes, so she's like She was like. messaging other people of like how to. get negative tests. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Steve later says. in an interview that he picked his. battles as a parent and he let McKenzie. smoke weed. >> I'm sorry if I find marijuana not that. dangerous as I find alcohol or cocaine. or whatever, you know, I My daughter, beyond whatever else seems to think or. wants to interpret or glean, she seemed. mature enough to handle it.

>> I didn't see it as an issue. I feel like. they have a lot of issues, but that's my. opinion. According to text messages, it. seems at some point McKenzie's dad puts. like a bumper sticker on her I imagine, and this is like imagination. It's. probably some sort of like student. driver bumper sticker cuz she recently. learned how to drive, right? And she. texts him, "Never put that on my. car again. Now I'm going to be late to. school because I had to turn around and. go take that off." He responds, "Lol." "It's seriously not funny. Like I.

will seriously flip the out. Don't. talk to me like that. Lol. I'm going to. talk to you however I want that bumper. sticker stops showing up on my car. No, lol. Because now I'm late somewhere that. my hours matter. Okay, then call Polaris. and get my hours back. Blocked. >> Wait, what just happened? >> So, she's saying like call my school and. get my hours back cuz she's like I'm. late for school now because of you and I. can't get my hours back. Don't put that. bumper sticker on my car. And then she. says blocked as in like she's going to. block him, but she doesn't.

Thanks for the laugh, lol. Giggle. >> The father says yes for the laugh. >> I just can't imagine talking to my dad. like that. And then I can't imagine my. dad responding to me like that when I do. talk to him like that. Their. interactions are alarming. Mackenzie. will text her dad in the midst of a. fight with her mom. Tell mom to answer. my text right now. Right now. Do it. Question mark exclamation exclamation. exclamation exclamation. Are you just. not going to help? Sorry, not getting involved. I'm just. going to get mad. Thanks for making this the worst. birthday I ever had.

She texts her dad, "Never drive my car. again without putting gas in it. Like. what the How are you going to. drive someone's car then not put a. single set of gas in it? And then it's. literally below the line. It was not. below the line when I gave you my car.". Steve responds, "First, I took your car. to get serviced, which I paid for and. had to waste an hour of my time waiting. for it and cleaned some of the inside. because the person that drives it is a. slob and doesn't keep it clean. Then. when I returned your car to the. driveway, I noticed the gas was on empty. so I left you a note, told you when you. came home and told your mother to tell.

you. So, be more respectful and. responsible. You owe me $74 for the. service and $25 for the hour I had to. sit there wasting my time for my. disrespectful daughter.". Here's the thing with Steve and this is. just like my context that I got from the. text messages. Okay, when I watched the. Netflix documentary, I walked away with. the feeling that Steve and Natalie never. yell at their daughter and just go, "Oh, baby, baby, it's okay. It's okay, baby. Anything for you, baby, right?" That's. what I walked away with. But then when I. was reading these text messages, I. noticed that Steve does yell at his.

daughter and I think that's where he. thinks he's disciplining his daughter. Right? But then like it never really. amounts. >> takeaway, though. >> Yes, I know. >> texts. >> Exactly. But that's not what happens. because I'll see him like yelling at his. daughter, right? And then the next day. it'll be like, "Have fun. Have fun. tonight. Like text me if you need me.". And it's like, "Oh, if my child ever. spoke to me like that, I don't think. they're going out the next day.". >> Yeah. >> I don't think they're going out for a. long time. >> you just said. >> Yes. >> the Steve just texts her. What does she.

respond with? >> Like nothing. She just ignores him. >> Clearly, there's nothing going on. There's no discipline. There's nothing. No consequences. >> Nothing. >> Nothing is being done. >> Yeah. >> What the. >> Yeah. A few weeks later, she complains to him, "You should probably retake your driving. test if you can't tell that you. literally hit the bench with my. car. #worstdriver #retakeyourtesttoday.". "You mean the car I had to move because. the person who parked it failed to leave. me room, and don't you mean the car that. I paid for? Is that the car you're. talking about? Watch how you speak to me.

or you won't have that car.". She responds, "Learn how to drive. #ass. worst driver of the year.". She doesn't apologize, but later she. gets upset when a school project doesn't. end up working out. She demands to her. dad, "You better fix what you ruined or. I will fail Polaris school.". "So, dot dot dot. Are you trying to say. you're slow?". "I'm saying when you speak to me with. disrespect, I don't care if you fail.". McKenzie responds, "Let me know when. it's fixed. {question mark} Do you know. how to use a music doll?" No response.

"Good to know to never ask you to do. anything again. You just up my. whole morning. How about you tell people. your plan instead of just not. going.". >> They literally text like two friends. >> Yes, that's what I'm saying. I don't. even talk to my friends like that. >> Yeah. Is there any moment that they are. acting like a parent that's actually a. regular freaking parent? >> No, I mean the only moments I saw are. when he's like, "You do not speak to me. with disrespect." Right? Those are the. >> That's again. >> But like nothing comes of it. >> Exactly. Even a friend could talk to a. friend like that. You don't talk to me.

like that. >> Yeah. But that's it. That's all I can. find. >> Wow, these are. >> Yeah, no, I was actually like I felt. like my blood pressure was going up. reading these text messages. I was. kidding. Like I was huffing and puffing. It was so stressful. Then a few days. later she text him, "Can you please go. get us White Claws or some shit?" White. Claws are alcohol. "Can you please go get us White Claws or. some at the gas station or Mike's, something like that? I am in bed. I have. to get up early and it's Sunday. Can you. bring us some, please? We need some. Even the ones in the garage fridge.

Then come get it. There are people here. OMG.". And then he responds, "Mom will drop off. in a bit." And she says, "Bet.". And he's like, "Oh, I guess this is the. only time he's like a parent." He's. like, "Bet as in better?" And she says, "Bet as in good.". >> That's crazy. What kind of teacher is. he? Art teacher? >> yeah. >> Middle school, high school? >> Uh it's a Catholic school. I'm not sure. Yeah. Then there's this whole Starbucks. debacle. She asked him to go get her.

Starbucks. And he says, "What do you. want? But I have to go out. It might be. in a bit." So he's like telling her it's. going to be in a little later. "Small or. medium iced white mocha sweet cream foam. and extra extra caramel sauce and a. chocolate croissant. How long? Dad. Warmed croissant. What. the Why would you not get my food. first? Like {question mark} {question. mark} {question mark} {question mark} I. would go if I didn't feel like shit." He. responds, "I'll let you know when I get. there. Please relax. Like what the. I told Dom no because I thought you. would actually go. Unreliable AF. I was.

on my way out. On my way back I will. stop. I will. Stop making me stop what. I'm doing. What the Maybe next. time just let me know you're going to. take 5 hours and I'll just have Dom do. it because he's actually going to go get. it. Like do I have to have Mom go? Oh my. god. {question mark} {question mark}. {question mark} Where are you? What the. Like please never tell me you can. do something if this is how it's going. to be. Oh my god. Yeah, I'm never going. to ask you to do anything for me again. God damn, why can't you do it right? I. swear to God if I don't get my chocolate. croissant because they sold out, I'm.

going to flip out. What do you want? I'm. here. >> Is this the same tone that she kind of. talks to Don? >> Yes. Yeah, it's like very threatening. Like. I'm going to flip out. If I don't get. what I want, I'm about to blow up. Like that's the vibe. >> So is this for me to assume that the. reason why she talks this way, acts this. way, is because the parents let her talk. to them this way? >> And that's why she talks to Don this. way. >> I That's what I think, too. Because I. think that it starts. >> like the correlation is very clear.

>> Yeah. Like the fact that she talks to. them like this is crazy. >> Yeah. >> And so he he doesn't even respond to. that craziness. He just says, "What do. you want? I'm here." The fact that he. still went to Starbucks is crazy, too. Okay? And then she responds, "I texted you and. Danny." Danny is her sister. "I texted. you and Danny what I want. Read.". >> Surella has a sister? McKenzie has a. sister? >> and Don's mom says like it's very clear. there's favoritism in that family. >> Favoritism to McKenzie?

>> McKenzie is very sociable, considered. mean girl popular by some people, skinny, gets followers on Instagram, conventionally maybe attractive, and her sister is maybe not considered. those things. >> What do we know about that? Is it just. from Don's mother, you said? >> Don's mother, some small comments made. by other people, the fact that the. Surellas never really talk about their.

other daughter, and then I I'm like the. jail calls. So Natalie will be on the. phone with McKenzie, who's in prison. And you just hear Natalie like screaming. at Danny all the time. >> Screaming at the sister. >> Yeah. >> The sister is also on the phone. >> Yeah. No. >> Oh. >> Like she'll be talking to McKenzie like. da da da da da. "Daddy, get down here.". Like "Daddy, what did I say?". >> Really? >> Yeah, and I'm like "Oh, damn. You should. be screaming at McKenzie like that. She's the one in prison for murder.".

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Fascinating. >> Well, I guess you could argue well, she's talking to McKenzie in a softer. tone because she feels like her daughter. needs more emotional support since she's. calling from jail. Whatever, but it's. still weird. It's still weird. So, these. are just like speculations, okay? Yeah, she just responds "Just hurry for real. It's already late AF. I shouldn't even. be drinking coffee this late, but I. guess I have to. Next time tell me you. can't go if you don't want to, dummy AF. Did you just call me dumb? Cuz this. shitstorm is coming for you. I'd go. hide." McKenzie responds "Are you.

threatening me for no reason when I'm. sick with COVID? So loving.". And then like nothing comes out of that. either. A few weeks later, McKenzie is looking. for a bag of soil and asks Steve where. is it. He texts her "I don't know, maybe. in the garage. Ask mom." She texts. "She's being dumb as That's why. I'm asking you. Where in the garage?". Baby, I don't know. If I had to guess, prob- I probably it's probably buried. somewhere, okay? Goodbye, son. When are. you going to be back? Because my my. plant is going to die. Like she's just. calling her mom dumb as to her dad.

And her dad doesn't correct her. There's a lot of fights about the car. She texts him "You are never driving my. car again. Disgusting. Don't. eat fast food in my car then. leave the trash in my car. Disgusting. Also, maybe try putting it back the way. it was when you left it. Don't take my. steering wheel off if you're not going. to put it back on." I don't think that. he took the steering wheel off. I think. he took the pink fuzzy thing off, you. know? The little. She texts again "You're done." She's. texting her dad "You're done." Steve. tries to tell McKenzie that this is. technically his car that he pays for and. he lets her drive and he demands that.

she speak to him with respect. She. argues "If you want to be treated with. respect, how about you give it to other. people?" This is like a huge thing to. McKenzie. It feels like people are only. disrespectful when she doesn't like what. they do. Like in her English pea-sized. she's never disrespectful. She text her. dad, "Have fun in your closet when you. get home. Your trash is in there." So, I. think the whole fight is like he. probably ate something, left the fast. food bag in the car, she put it in his. closet. He responds, "If I was you, I'd think. twice before you piss me off and then. you won't have a car, period. So, text.

me again with your BS and think twice.". [music]. She says, "I tell you a million times to. not disrespect my car and take my. steering wheel off and leave trash, especially eat fast food in my car." But. you know, but listen, I'm just telling. you that you're being disrespectful. "When you start making car payments and. insurance payments, until then, keep. your disrespectful tone and words to. yourself." The next day, there's text. messages between McKenzie and her dad. where he tells her, "Be careful, have. fun." And like this is again where I. lose my mind. Like, if I talk to my dad. like that, I'm not having fun for a long. time.

Especially not the next business day. Other times she's texting him like, "Stop being loud AF." What? "I can hear you from all the way up. here." "Stop being so oversensitive AF. and I'm not being loud." This is her dad. texting her. "That's not oversensitive. I'm trying to sleep and you're stomping. around blowing your nose 79 times. Stop. being a woman hater." "Stop being. disrespectful to your father." In some. text messages, it doesn't even seem like. Steve is trying to discipline her. It. just seems like he's trying to appease. her writing things like, "Am I. unblocked? Sorry you didn't have a good.

time last night. Really, no matter what. Kenz, I love you and only want the best. for you." Later in an interview, he. says, >> I was on my daughter all the time. I. punished her all the time. It's not a me. going, "Okay, you just go hey, go have a. whole time. Go smoke dope. Have fun. Woo! Drive your car really fast.". >> I don't see it in the cell bright. messages, but like maybe you can point. us elsewhere, Steve. Like maybe you can. show us. Apparently, >> Didn't he say that, "I'm sorry you. didn't have a good time.". >> Yeah. >> "Have a good day.". >> Have a good Have be fun. Be safe. >> "Be have fun. Be safe.". >> Yeah. >> "Here's some. White Claw.".

>> Yeah. I'm at Starbucks. What do you. want? Apparently, there's this one time where. McKenzie and Dom are going to Florida. and McKenzie's mom allegedly was going. to go to Florida just to make sure that. they can check into their place because. you might have to be 21 to check into. whatever accommodation they're staying. at. So, she was just going to go to. Florida, check in with them, and leave, which is insane. This is coming. from Dom's mom. Dom's mom says. >> She is their golden child. They treat. the other sister like a piece of crap. She's the pretty one. She's the smart.

one. Just everything. It doesn't matter. how outrageous. >> One former friend of McKenzie's says. about her parents, "They just spoiled. her, so they just kind of let her do. whatever." Obviously, at the time, she. should not have been really just doing. whatever she wanted. She just always did. what she wanted. She talks to everyone. else she wanted. You know, we were. swimming over at the falls, and you're. not supposed to be swimming over there. So, I'm assuming this is some sort of. like waterfall or something, right? Cops came, and she was just sitting. there being disrespectful the whole. time. Just like on her phone. And we're. like, "Kenzie, bro, like we're not.

supposed to be even here swimming. Like. why are you being disrespectful towards. them? Like do you want us to get a. ticket? Like what is wrong with you? Why. are you just always like this?". Just everybody, you know, authority, that's not the way you're supposed to. And the first time when she came over to. my house, she was cursing in front of my. parents, which made my parents not. really like her and stuff. Like mind. you, they're all high schoolers. >> Yeah. >> I mean, even as adults, like I find it a. little when I hear someone cursing in. front of my parents, especially if it's. the first time they've met. Obviously, now that we're all comfortable, it's. different, but The prosecutor says, "Her.

parents would offer excuses for her. behavior." And typically, McKenzie would. walk away from those negative. interactions at school with more. freedom, less consequences, and her. actions being completely excused away. Steve says in the Chris Cuomo interview. about people judging him and his. parenting, >> Let's talk about people, first of all. If you don't know me and you're not in. my life, and how how do you say anything. about me? How are you judging me without. knowing me? Was I lenient on some. things? Yes. Was I harder on some. things? Yes. I was raising my kid how I.

felt best at the time. That I made. decisions. I I I'm not a bad parent. I. may I picked fights that I felt would. help her, and I picked fights that I. didn't want to fight with her, and I let. her go, and I made her make make her. make her own decisions. And, you know, you know, she's a she was almost an. adult. It's laughable that the people. think what they think about us. And And. I look at it this way, if you're not in. my boat, then it really doesn't matter what you. think as as the people. I mean, anyone. that doesn't know me, anyone that. doesn't know me, should keep their mouth.

shut, personally. >> He's asked by Chris Cuomo, "Do you blame. yourself for your daughter's behavior?". >> Do I blame myself? Could I have advised. her better? Sure. I I Do Do I think it. would have made any difference? I don't. know. I'm sorry. I Makes me I I don't. have a problem with the marijuana use. I. just I'm sorry. I just don't. It was. It's a battle that I would never win. How am I stopping her? Was I going to. lock her in her room and never let her. out of the room? Was I supposed to go. with her everywhere she goes? Could I. took the car away? Could I just There's.

just so many factors that had nothing to. do with it. I just. >> I mean, I don't know. I feel like it has. a lot to do with it, but And like, okay, watching the Netflix documentary, again, I was under the impression like, maybe. maybe she's like playing chess with her. family, with her parents. She acts like. this goody-two-shoes in front of them, and then she's like living this second. life outside, where she's posting all. these pictures. I mean, that seems more. common than not with social media these. days. But, no, like just she's kind of a. Like, even in text messages. between.

McKenzie and Dom, she gets upset that. Dom is on her parents' side, instead of. hers. This is from McKenzie's birthday. the year before the crash. She says, "This is the worst birthday ever." And. that Well, I would like to think now. it's not the worst birthday ever, now. that she's in prison, but anyway, Dom is on McKenzie's parents' side. during a fight, and he tries to explain. to her, "I'm not on any side there. You. know, like there's no sides." She. disagrees. Clearly, there's my side and. my parents' side. Like, literally, this. is the worst birthday dinner I've ever. had. No one meant it for it to be like.

this, babe. I wish it wasn't. Then why. did you argue with me the whole dinner? Like you could have just made things so. much smoother. Do you know my dress has. a stain on it? Like this is literally. the worst. The stain on the dress part. kind of threw me off, but it just feels. like the smallest things set her off. For example, Dom is looking for a spare. key somewhere and Mackenzie is telling. him that she honestly hasn't seen it. And then he finds it rather quickly, right under the bed. And he lets her. know and she responds, "Oh, damn." And. he says, "You could have looked." To. which Mackenzie says, "You're really.

getting the attitude? I love how you. always just try to cause a little. argument like how you Like how about you. just leave me alone? If you want to try. and cause an argument, like the. Okay, I'm more just with you cuz. I know you didn't look for them, but. cool. Get mad, lol. Talk to me when. you're a little bit more mentally. stable. Thanks, bye." "You know what? I'm not even going to entertain that. comment. Actually, what do you mean. mentally stable? I mean, no normal. person just tries to start an argument. out of that, so I assumed you're not. mentally stable right now.". I won't say that it's always Mackenzie.

starting arguments, but she does seem. hypersensitive to things, lots of things. or like everything. She also just like. hates the heat. She complains to Dom, "My room is literally hot as My. mom will not fix it, so I don't want to. be sweating and tweaking all night. Like. she literally will not turn down the air. conditioning. She said she turned it on. and it was literally on 70, so I turned. [music] it down to like 62. Like what. the Why is it so hard for. her to turn the AC on? Like I can't even. touch my skin because I sweat instantly. Her slow ass turned it off.". >> The AC's on 70? >> Yeah.

>> And she's saying it's so hot? >> Yeah. But also like the power bill. She also complains to Dom that her. parents keep trying to get her to watch. family videos with them. And she tells. Dom, "I really hope my parents get the. mental help they need someday. Like if I. don't want to watch the family videos. yesterday, why would I want to watch. them tonight?" She later complains, "I. love you, you My house is literally. freezing. Like I don't know what the. is wrong with everyone in this. house. I just asked my mom, "Why is it. never comfortable in this house?" My. room is literally like the Arctic or. 100.

She also complains to Dom in depth about. how much she hates her family texting, "I'm hungry, but I don't want to go. downstairs because my family sucks." In. another text thread, she complains, "Well, I was trying to take a. nap, but my dad had to go downstairs and. turn the TV up to 800, so now I'm. awake. I hate this. house. I'm pissed. Of course, my dad. mind too weak to turn down the TV.". What do you mean? He's too stupid, like. weak-minded. I'm just bumping right now. So, what? He just left it super loud? McKenzie says, I guess as retaliation,

that she left her speaker volume all the. way up. Dom is still confused about the. TV asking if it's really that loud. He's. like, "It was that loud to wake you up?". Bro, it was on like 70. Later, she complains to Dom through. text, "My mom just ruined vacation.". What happened? One, weather going to be like the. whole time. She deadass asked me if I. wanted to go to Lake Michigan or. Pennsylvania, which she spells p e n s i v a i n y a.

I don't even know what that is, okay? And she says, "Why the would I want. to go there? Both holes.". Dom's like, "Why can't we just cancel. and go another time?" So, all of them. were going to go like the Shirrells were. going to go on this huge family vacation. for McKenzie's birthday. Which is like kind of crazy for a. birthday, right? And then Dom was going. to join. But then they found out that in. Florida, there's like hurricane season. Oh god. God forbid, people are losing. their homes and their lives, okay? Because it's a hurricane season. But. she's like, "Now my vacation is.

right?" So then my mom is suggesting. Lake Michigan or whatever state that she. spells that I think is supposed to be. Pennsylvania. And she's like, "Why the would I. want to go there?" And then so he's. like, "Okay, well, why can't we just. cancel and go another time then when the. weather is better in Florida?" And she. says, "Cancel my birthday vacation? I am going on vacation for my birthday. and I'm leaving for it today and it's. going to be somewhere hot. I'm. not going to Florida if it's going to. rain the whole time. I'm so mad. If a. vacay not planned by tonight, I'm for. real done with this whole family. They.

really just gave me the worst birthday. I've ever had.". >> This is crazy. This is. You can't make this up in a movie. Like. >> If it were in a movie, I'd say, "Who. acts like that?" That's so dumb. Babe, they can't predict the weather a month. away and it's going to be nearly. impossible to book a vacay in a night. Buy a ticket to Cali for me and you. right now. I have like $300. He doesn't. respond. Dom, do it right now. Book a. flight somewhere. My mom said she's not. booking a new one. Babe, a flight to Cali for both of us. will be like $1,100.

Okay? Plus Ubers and stuff. We might as. well go to Universal or just plan it. another day cuz I don't know if we can. even stay with Kyle right now. So, you're saying like they have a friend in. California, but like they don't know if. they can stay there, but even on top of. that, Ubers, food, all of that. Okay, don't come on vacation then. Fun. Dom tries to reason with her that. there's not going to be a lot of options. in this type of short notice. He says it. seems like everywhere on the East Coast. is going to rain. She responds, "Wow, I. didn't know nobody knew that there was.

more than one coast. Wow, was that. supposed to be a smartass joke? Okay, I. just won't help then. You weren't. helping at all. You never started. helping. I was just talking to your mom. trying to figure out what we can do. Of. course you were talking to that crazy. She won't do to help. That's. how I know you weren't helping at all, the fact that you were texting her. She's the one booking it. Except she's. not and she's just sitting in her. room. Dom tries to get her to be. open to Michigan. Northern Michigan is. actually super super nice in the summer.

Do not text me. Why the would I go. to some ass Michigan? Literally. never say that again. What the. What the And again, it. doesn't seem like there's a plan, but. McKenzie is still sending pictures of. swimsuits asking which one she should. bring. And I'm like, I thought you're. not going on vacay. Okay, mind you, she's like pissed because there's a. hurricane. And then, you know, text. messages from her dad read, "You need to. work with us, and going to the west. coast is out of the question. We do not. have the time or the money to get there. We would get there and then have to turn. around and leave." To which McKenzie.

responds to her dad, Steve, "There's a. lot more places in between we could go. to. I'm never going to forget this.". They do end up going on this cursed. birthday trip at this point, and it goes. as well as you can imagine, they do make. it to Florida. It's not a hunky-dory. time. Based off context clues in the. text, it seems like McKenzie and her. parents get into a fight. McKenzie is. upset that Dom isn't backing her up. She. texts him, "You're supposed to be on my. side, the Like, what the. wrong with you? Do you have issues?". Dom is confused, he has no clue what's. going on, and he tells her, "I didn't. know you were mad." "Hope you know.

you're part of the reason why my. birthday sucks. Are you slow? Literally. do not talk to me, lmao." "I didn't know. someone interrupting you made you that. mad. That's my bad. But you did threaten. to stab me in the eye." "Yeah, I don't. care. Happy you ruined this trip? Thanks. so much for making me feel special. Like, y'all suck, for real." Dom argues. back, "You're mean to me." "Yeah, when. you swear at me and threaten me, like, that's mean.". They eventually try to reach a. compromise with Dom threatening to leave.

to Palm Bay. Like, Dom is like, "If. you're going to keep being mean to me, I'm going to go to my friend in Palm. Bay." And he says, "Just don't threaten. to kill me, but otherwise I'll probably. dip to Palm Bay." "Lmao, okay then. So, you just out here complaining, lol. Get. the out then. Go to Palm Bay, the. Then go. If you threaten me, I. will. It's not normal to threaten. people." Dom tells McKenzie, "I'm done. with this conversation. You have only. been mean to me and have tried to hurt. my feelings." "I wasn't mean to you. I. was mean after you didn't have my back. How are you not getting this?".

"You threatened to stab me in the eye.". "After you didn't have on back, are you. slow?". And this is like all in caps. That's why. I'm emphasizing certain words. Later. McKenzie decides she's not mad at Dom, but rather it's her dad. She texts him, "Babe, I just want to go home. I hate. everyone. Like I've just been fighting. here. Like he picks fights with. me any chance he can get. How the. am I supposed to be want to be nice. after he just said all that to me? Like. he's being a dick to me the whole time. the whole time.". Dom says, "Babe, you've both been wrong.

You kind of dogged him." How did I dog. him? Calling him five? Didn't know that was. offensive. You said something like, "Shut up. I'm having a conversation with. Danny.". Look, babe, you're both throwing. gasoline in each other's fires. Yeah, I've been saying I'm having a terrible. vacay and they just don't care. They've had a terrible one, too, babe. I'm trying to make the best of this and. everyone keeps ruining it. It's. literally them, though. You got your. whole family here and they all care. You. can't throw it away. No, Dom. I hate. them all. No, you don't, babe. You're.

just mad. No, I really do. Like I love. them, but I'm getting the away and. I never want to be around them like. ever. I'm for real. I'm about to leave. I'm. done with this vacay. Like this. this. This vacay is ruined. Also the fact that she still like keeps. calling it a vacay was irking me. Dom tries to reason with McKenzie about. her dad. Babe, you love him. You. appreciate him for what he does. He does. nothing. He could be way worse, babe. He does a. lot. He has a lot of pressure. LOL. Pressure for what?

That's probably why he lashes out. I. hate men. Babe, you will never understand what. it's like to be your dad. Give him a. break. Like the fact that Dom stood up for. Steve more than McKenzie ever did and. Steve is out here saying like his. daughter is a perfect angel is crazy to. me. The whole vacation seems to go wrong and. I think that's just kind of who McKenzie. is. You know those people where. everything around them goes wrong and. like sometimes it does happen to really. good people and like you feel lots of. sympathy. But then there are a lot of. people where it's like you look at it. and you say, "Oh, well, everything goes. wrong not because you're unlucky, but.

because you make everything go wrong.". Like of course you're having a miserable. time when you're the one making. everything miserable. Like, that's the. type of person Mackenzie strikes me as. For example, Dom has a bathroom. malfunction at some point because the. toilet malfunctions, and Mackenzie is. just pissed off that he's taking so long. in the bathroom, even though he's. explaining to her the situation, why. it's taking him a second to clean. himself up. And she says, "Ruining my. vacation. There's toilet paper. Not sure if you know that. Use. toilet paper. Why am I telling you how.

to wipe like a 4-year-old?". "Kenzie, I have toilet water on. my privates." So, he said like the. toilet flushed. randomly and it like splashed. everywhere. "Go without me. Leave." Like, they're at. a restaurant at Universal. "Like, go. leave. Like, I don't care. I'm going to. call the cops so they can help you. I'm. so mad at you. Like, you really did. this? Hell no. What the Like, now. everyone's just waiting. No one's. leaving. Like, we are literally waiting. for you." And this is all in caps. "They.

won't go without you. What the is. wrong with you? Literally acting like a. baby. Do I need to come in and wipe your. ass?". I check the timestamps. Only 9 minutes. has passed. So, I don't know what her. issue is. Like, holy cow, you need to. get a grip. I'm getting stressed out. She's texting. "Answer right now. Do I. need to come and wipe your ass or we. will have an issue. Get the off, Dom. Get the off. Literally a. child. Oh my god. Oh my god. The. We about to have some issue. Oh my god. Oh my god.". But then things are fine later because. he asks where she's at and she responds,

"Hey, Potter. I'm in line for. butterbeer." The producers of Netflix. ask Mackenzie in her jailhouse. interview, "Did you ever feel in your. arguments with Dom rage that you. couldn't control?" "No. It was never. like that. It was always just more like. I was, you know, when we'd argue, I. would get sad because he didn't really. have good communication skills. And we'd. be cool after that day or a couple hours. later. We'd be watching movies on the. couch, eating popcorn. She would just get sad.

She would just get sad. I'm so confused. One mutual friend says, "Dom and. Kenzie's relationship, they were just. always arguing. That's how it was. And. me and another friend were always. talking about it. We're like, bro, Dom, like you he has so much going for. himself. Why doesn't he stick up to. Kenzie? He can do so much better." Dom. shares the story of a trip that she took. with Dom and Kenzie. >> Dom is telling someone? >> No, Dom's mom is telling the police. So, it was going to be, you know, the whole. family, Dom's family. She's like, "I. took off work. We were all going to go.

canoeing. So, I packed snacks for the. canoe in the cooler and all of that. So, we had a bag that had chips and you. know, the sort of things that was like. super you don't like want to put it in. stuff because they would get crushed. So, like usually on a road trip, you. save them for last, like the chip bag. and then it goes in the backseat, whatever. Well, we forgot. She ruined. the entire canoe trip. She sat there and. threw a fit that we had forgotten those. chips, that she had nothing to eat, and. I kept saying, "We're enjoying our day. There's no fighting. We're going to find. you something to eat." We even stopped. at this bar. She was not satisfied with.

anything. Like no nothing it did not. matter what I had. She did not have. those chips. So, it was like she's. explaining like how they went on this. whole almost like goose chase to find. her something that she was happy enough. eating. And [snorts] Dom was just stressed about. it the whole time because she was so. pissed about those chips. And she was. very crafty on how she would do stuff. because she would stick her digs, you. know, me and Angelo were in a canoe, they're there. She would stick her digs. in her comments so that we couldn't. hear. But, it was a big tantrum. I mean,

everything was a dig. You forgot the. chips. You forgot Okay, I get it. Do you. know what I mean? But, it's not enough. to have a tantrum and ruin the day. Dom's brother Angelo later tells the. police that McKenzie would go through. self-esteem issues and Dom would want to. break up with her. Because she would quote. >> She'd get crazy about stuff, like accuse. him of cheating and stuff when he's not. >> Not constant, but there'd be every. couple of weeks or so where they were. almost breaking up and then she'd be. threatening to hurt herself. Stuff would. arise and it would really never It just.

wouldn't take a healthy course, to be. honest with you. The officer is like, "What do you mean, she would go crazy? Like. What's crazy?" There were times where. she called Dom and said, "If you break. up with me, I'm going to kill myself.". Word for word. And then Dom, he was like. a very very selfish person and he did. I. mean, obviously they were together for a. long time and they built a relationship, they cared for each other deeply. Even. though Dom did care for her deeply, I'm. not disputing any of that, but he's seen. all the toxicness that she was putting. on to him. So, he's saying like Dom would try to.

tell McKenzie that he would be there for. her after their breakup. So, like you. don't have to do anything drastic. Like. he's going to be there, but he just. can't be in this relationship anymore. And McKenzie would just keep coming. back, quote, "I'll kill myself.". Essentially, is what Angelo was. alleging. Angelo says that he actually. was very close with McKenzie in the very. beginning of McKenzie and Dom's. relationship to the point where she. would go to Angelo to get comfort. whenever Dom and her would fight. But. Angelo says that he started distancing.

himself because, quote, "I just seen. that she was very very selfish." He says. he couldn't deal with it anymore, so he. blocked her number. Like that's how bad. it got. Like he had to go and block her. number because she would blow up his. phone nonstop when she couldn't get in. contact with Dom. He'd be in the car. with Dom and Dom is driving, so he. doesn't pick up his phone and they're. just going to go get like food and she's. just blowing up both their phones. Dom's brother says he witnessed fights. and he feels like, quote, "Honestly, he'll be like so nice Dom will be so. nice and accommodating as possible to.

stop the fight and she'd be one of those. people that is just petty. Like petty. petty petty petty." And again, normally. I would take anything that one party's. sibling says about a relationship with a. grain of salt, but then like I did see. all those text messages. >> Mhm. >> And I'm like, this seems like more or. less at least accurate in my opinion. about his characterization. And then. she'll be in, you know, in between. fights text Dom's brother. Like in between fights, she'll be like, "Hey, can you do my homework for me? I.

don't want to do my math homework.". >> He's like, "Why would I Why would I. She really lives in that universe that. everyone just revolves around her. >> Yeah. And then for some fights, he says, you know, they would have to call. Kenzie's parents to tell them to come. get her because she's refusing to leave. being toxic. They pick her up. Dom's. brother is like. I mean, by the way, these fights are. always started by Kenzie. And then that, you know, they ask her to leave. And. then the parents have to come pick her. up. Somehow she'll make it back and. she'll just be pounding on the windows. demanding to be let back in. He says.

that her behavior started escalating as. she got older. He says, quote, >> Everything behind it, the the number one. word for it is like selfish and. self-centered. Doesn't really know how. to like go through arguments properly. Doesn't know how to do stuff like. healthily. But her behavior never really. got better. To me, it almost just got. more drastic. Like before when she was. younger, 9th and 10th grade, she would. go home when they were fighting or. whatever and then be texting him saying, "Oh, I'll hurt myself blah blah blah. blah blah." And then he's like, "Okay, please don't. We can work this out.

Whatever, you know.". >> But then when it came to the point where. she's 16, she's driving now, she's 17, she's even older, she's driving back. over, she's banging on the windows, her. behavior became more erratic. Maybe also. because she had more ways to let it out. and to show that. >> I think that's exactly what's going on. Maybe the parents talked to her this way. ever since she was little. And maybe the. parents just chalk it up as that's just. how she what she says. She doesn't do. anything. I don't know. Sounds like the. dad even thinks it's cute to talk like. that. Texting like slow AF.

>> You just unlocked something in my brain. Okay, so I One thing I did notice in all. the jail calls, right? Is McKenzie, every time she sneezes, she like she. doesn't have like a like soft sneeze. It's like "achoo, achoo", right? And it. almost like every single time without. fail Natalie will just be like, "Oh, that's so cute.". >> [laughter]. >> Well, no. Cute little sneezes. >> Which I don't know why like I didn't. really care for it, but that just like. reminded me of it. It's just so random. >> Yeah. >> Like the way she's talking to her. I. mean, she's in she's she's a convicted.

murderer, right? >> And she sneezes, the mom goes, "That's. so cute.". >> Yeah. >> There's nothing cute at all. >> About this whole situation. You're on a. recorded line. >> Yeah. >> From Securus, the jail. >> Yeah. >> line. >> Like is that her default? Like she's. just always like, "That's so cute.". >> Yeah. Everything is like very McKenzie. will be talking about how she ate ramen. because she doesn't like the prison. food. And then, you know, the mom will. be like, "Well, is it better than last. time?" Then she's like, "Yeah, I made it.

in the shower this" "Oh, that's good. That's good.". >> Well, did you have lunch? What was. lunch? >> Oh, okay. Look, I just ate ramen. >> Was it better than last time? >> No, I didn't I don't even know what it. was. I just ate ramen. >> No, I mean, did you make it better than. you did last time? >> Yes, I used the shower this time to make. it. >> And that was much better? >> Uh-huh. >> Good. >> And I'm like, "Hey, so nothing about. this situation is good.". But Angelo does tell investigators, quote, "There was multiple times even in. the month of July that he was trying to. break up with her. A couple days before.

the crash, she was hitting him on the. highway while driving down the highway. He had to pull his car over on the side. of the highway, not in a very safe. parking spot either, and have somebody. else come pick them up and drive the car. home because he was scared that she was. going to make him crash. And that was. just prior to the day before the actual. crash where she was driving.". >> Prior to the day before the crash? >> Yeah, so it's just he's saying like it. was very recent to the crash. I think it's pretty clear the. relationship between McKenzie and Dom is. not good. It's always been rough. I. mean, going through all their fights it.

seems like in the very beginning the. biggest issue that was that Dom didn't. feel like he had enough space in the. relationship. He would complain that he. just couldn't even breathe for an hour, which I can see and I know like some. people saw the beginning parts of their. text messages and felt like Dom was the. mean one and this was her reacting to. his meanness. I think like I did see a. bunch of Tik Toks like that. And just. collectively seeing it, I would say that. they're both teenagers in a relationship. trying to figure out how a relationship. works, but it does seem.

like she does not give him a moment. alone. And some people just need time to. decompress in a relationship. And I feel. like that's kind of like that's a lot of. people, but it just it's not happening. And there is a cheating thing. Now, it's. unclear how exactly it happened, but Dom. argues that it was all while they were. on break. So, he's you know, throughout. he's arguing that this isn't technically. not cheating because they were on break. McKenzie argues that it was while they. were still together, but it does seem. like Dom did in fact have relations with. another girl, Faith, who is a friend um.

since middle school, says on the Netflix. docs and she's throughout the jail. calls, you know, she's there. So, she's. a big supporter of McKenzie. Faith says, "I told Kenzie. >> Faith is a supporter of McKenzie? >> Like a friend and supporter cuz she's in. the jail calls. She talks to McKenzie on. the phone in jail. >> And Faith slept with Dom. >> No, no, no. Faith is saying in the. Netflix documentary, >> Oh. >> quote, "I told Kenzie, hey, your. boyfriend just cheated on you with one. of our best friends.". >> Oh. >> I felt terrible for Kenzie. I mean, it.

sucks to be cheated on. Moving forward. in their relationship, it caused a lot. of trust issues. Heard it be like, "Hey, who are you with? What are you doing?". This is clearly told from McKenzie's. point of view since she's DMing her. friend about it later. So, I found these. Instagram DMs and she DMs her, "He. cheated on me four times in the. beginning. Two times were with my best. friend.". "Bro, it like me up. You would. die. I'm going to tell you their story. I was a freshman, he was a junior. Literally, her name was redacted. Um. literally, her name was redacted. She.

would leave my house at night and say. she's going to go another friend's. house, but instead she would walk to my. boyfriend's and him. She didn't. even tell me, he did. And he was. publicly cheating. Literally, like they. had gym together and would around. in school and no one told me. It's. insane. In 2020, about a year before the crash, McKenzie writes to Dom, "When you. cheated on me, the girls didn't come up. to you, you went up to them." To which. Dom responds, "They came to me." He. argues, again, it happened when they. were on break, and quote, "You bring up. me cheating like three times a week.". Maybe because you cheated on me.

McKenzie tells him the energy he needs. to have is quote, "You hate all. but me." Do you know how many boys I. ignore? Like 30 a day. I'm famous. I. need my views. >> What is she talking about? >> So, like following people on Instagram. She's like, "You don't need to follow. girls, but I need to like follow people. and interact with people online because. I'm famous and I need my views.". She wants him to text a girl quote, "But. you can't even text a to get off. your dick." "I don't even have her. number. Get it.".

She also goes into his phone to secretly. block girls that are liking his photos. and she sees nothing wrong with that, but Dom tells her, "I get no. privacy. Like you." One TikTok she. posts she's reacting to what she. believes to be a funny comment that. reads, "Chicks be like, check your man, not me. I beat him up already. It's your. turn.". So, I don't know if there was a lot of. trust established in their relationship. at this point, but one of their more. recent fights is Dom seems to be getting. fed up with McKenzie hanging out with. this one particular friend of. McKenzie's. Her Let's call her G.

Dom believes G is a sex worker and he. doesn't like his girlfriend hanging out. with her. Which normally, I am not a fan. of any partner dictating who you should. or should not be friends with, and I. also feel like someone's occupation is. not some sort of benchmark for their. morality, but I guess on an objective. level, maybe it could be warranted to. not want a 17-year-old girl to hang out. with a sex worker, but maybe that's. still something her parents should be. concerned about and getting upset about,

but instead of Dom. DM messages between. This is around like June 8th, 2022. This. is the month before Dom and Davion's. deaths. McKenzie messages Dom, do I have. to pull up? I would answer. I would. answer. I would answer. Let me know if. you're actually ending this. She video. chats Dom. He doesn't respond. Like this. is, you know, this is a pattern that. we've been seeing. She sends him 10. messages all back-to-back. Let me know. if you're actually ending this. Answer. now. She's freaking out on him and he. just asks her, are you going to chill.

with thoughts? Which side note, again, I. don't necessarily like the word usage. here to talk about someone's alleged, maybe, occupation, but I digress. McKenzie tells him, you forced me and. made me choose between you and my. friend. You are being abusive. She tries. to call him. He doesn't respond. She He. DMs, are you going to chill with. thoughts, specifically prostitutes? Again, not the best word usage. Are you. going to show love, compassion, and make. me feel special and chase me? Yes, of. course I will. I'm going to go out to eat with my.

friends when they ask me to go or go. roller skating. That does not make me. one of them. He responds, I'm not going. to chase you if it's going to be toxic. It's not toxic. Kenzie, you choose the. thoughts we done. Babe, I'm sorry. McKenzie starts demanding he stops. hanging out with friends she doesn't. like, to which he responds, my friends. ain't prostitutes, babe. And you need to. unfollow every girl you follow, too. I. don't care if you, quote, knew them your. whole life. If I'm not allowed to be. friends with redacted, okay, then unfollow every boy you.

follow. McKenzie asks, and you need to. buy me something really nice if I'm not. allowed to be friends with them. And I. don't follow boys. They start arguing about who's cheating. on who and if it was cheating, if it was. during break or not, and McKenzie tells. him, whatever, Dom. Go be single. Then. you obviously never loved or cared about. me if it's easy to treat me like this. But instead of letting things go, she DMs him again. Why the did you just stop. answering?" She tries to video call him. again, but again, this is near the end. of their relationship. Dom is standing. his ground and is telling her, "You will.

get influenced by these people whether. you think you will or not." McKenzie. doesn't like that. She responds, "No, I'm not. I have a mind of my own. I'm. not a follower. I'm a leader. You know. that. It's a fact. Why aren't you letting me. have a mind of my own?" "Kenzie, it's a. proven fact. Why do you think you and me. are exact same by now? We always had. lots of things in common, but now we. literally say the same We finish. each other's sentences. Part of that is. because we are only around each other, you know? Like we eat the same foods. now. We listen to the same music, have. the same interests. Like I want you to.

have friends, but I don't want five out. of five of them to be prostitutes cuz I. know you're going to start acting. different cuz you did this last time. when you were with her. I seen it slowly. happen last time. It's factual.". "Well, I'm a new me every day. I'm never. going to do that again, and you know. that.". >> Do what? >> Exactly. >> What does that mean? >> Dom is hesitant. "I don't know, Kenzie.". >> "Well, if you love me and want to be. with me, you can trust me and believe. that.". >> Dom responds, "What happened last time?". Dot dot dot.

>> "That was so long ago. That was not me. Just like you're not a cheater anymore. even though you did last month.". >> "That was 9 months ago, not 3 years. ago.". >> Insinuating that whatever Kenzie did was. 9 months ago and what he did was 3 years. ago. Later, Dom says, "No, Kenzie. Last time. you started chilling with G, you sold. your body. Now you're hanging with. multiple of them." "That was over 8. months ago.". There have been conversations online. that McKenzie was working as a sex. worker before the crash, which there is.

no evidence of. I do believe the police. went down that rabbit hole as well, but. when you have messages like those, it. makes you speculate. Prosecutors later. have a detailed section in their brief. where they write, "Possible. prostitution, pandering, obscenities.". Here's everything that I found going. through the FOIA about sex work or. potential sex work in an Instagram DM, which we had to comb through like 2,000. pages for the Instagram data for the. FOIA. She and one of her Instagram. friends are talking about how they got. new Dior bags. The friend says, "I need.

a few sugar daddies." McKenzie responds, "Real talk though, I want a foot one.". In an Instagram DM, April 1st, 2022, McKenzie gets a DM from a guy named. Mark. He asks, "Would you send me a. picture of your belly button?" A little. how much? How much what? Do you mean. money? Mark sends an example picture and. writes, "I would like to have a picture. like this.". >> Who is Mark? Like a rando? >> yeah. "Very close to your belly button. and in good quality. Maybe like $30 for a good quality photo.

What do you think about that?". "No, $30 is way too much. I would spend. max $10 for it. It's just a picture.". "My friends sell it for $50, so $30 was. generous. I don't care how much your. friends send it. It's just a picture. with an effort of like 1 minute and you. show your body to the world anyway.". "I don't, but thank you. Stay weird.". "I just have a belly button fetish. though. It's okay if you don't want to. do it for 10. Have a nice day.". March 2022, she gets a message from a. random Instagram account. Can I spoil. you? Yes. "I'm cool with it. My snap is.

big cheese Tokyo. Hit me up and I'll. take care of you.". Then March 20th, 2022, some guy named. Gary Peterson, the CEO, literally that's. like Gary Peterson the CEO, DMs. McKenzie. "How do you manage to being so. hot? Hi beautiful. Sorry if this is. going to offend you. Would you be. interested in weekly payment allowance. of $600 to be my online sugar baby? No. sexual intimacy involved, just your. online companionship." To which McKenzie. responds, "Hey!". In all caps, "I'm interested. How do I. know this is legit?" Another DM exchange.

is between another guy, person, individual, I don't know. McKenzie, um. they message her. "Hello baby." "Hey.". "How are you doing?" "Good, how about. you?" "Where you you're baby?" "Ohio. It's cold here." Okay, baby, have you. ever heard about sugar mama before? McKenzie stops responding. >> Have you heard of sugar mama? >> Yeah, I know. It's kind of weird, right? >> Okay. >> Yeah. These are just messages that I. found. Then another message between. another Snapchat user and McKenzie where. they ask her, "Can we do this or what?". McKenzie responds, "Four bands." Which.

means $4,000. To which the other person. responds, "You can have four straps of. $1, lol." She responds, "$1,000.". "You finger that. for me and. reach the destination. while I'm doing it, then yeah, I'm. down. Are you a squirter?". And she responds, "Send $1,000, we can. link anything you want for 2500.". >> This is she's underage. >> Yeah. They respond, "Um you can get cash.

money in person. No way I send. you anything up front, especially. $1,000, lol. So let me know when and. where you want to do it.". "$1,000 pics, $2,000 to link. You for. real doing meets? Okay, if you're taking. a month between each response, then I'm. not interested." She reiterates, "Two. bands to link, 1K for pics.". >> Link meaning in person? >> Yes. McKenzie is SnapChatting this individual. July 15th, 2022. Like 16 days before the.

crash. "Do you have Amazon wish list or cash. app or needing help with anything?" Um. she doesn't Another, you know, message. McKenzie sends out is apparently from. July 19th where she says, "Send me a. band and we can link up, lol.". The police did find several nude photos. and videos in her phone, but there. doesn't seem to be a clear indication. that she sent it to anyone in exchange. for funds. So it doesn't appear that. anything really came out of this rabbit. hole. However, judging from the context. of the text messages between Dom and. McKenzie, it feels like they're arguing.

about McKenzie potentially being paid by. a guy to do things to her feet, and. maybe Dom is just under the impression, maybe McKenzie lied. I don't know. Like, we don't know. These are just messages, but. messages from January 25th, 2022 read. from McKenzie to Dom, "You realize I'm. just going to go get a sugar daddy and. start selling feet pics, and I'm going. to be doing just fine. So, this is. really your last chance to handwrite me. an apology or fix this or we're really. done.". Then March 5th, 2022, Dom texts. McKenzie, "Yet you let a dude your.

feet for money like 6 months ago.". McKenzie responds, "We were broken up. We were broken up and it was feet, lmao. Once again, then leave.". Then June 8th, 2022, Dom writes to her, "Yeah, I love you, but last time you. started hanging out with her, you. literally let her sell your body to that. random dude, and she hooked you up with. the dude." "We were broken up and it was. just my feet. Do you think about it more. than I think about it?" "You ran off and. became a prostitute, because I don't.

personally think it's bad, but if you do. and we're together, then I'm not going. to do it. You could never tell your family you. were a prostitute.". "Because it's only my business, and it's. not a prostitution.". June 25th, 2022, Dom tells McKenzie, "Kenzie, there is always going to be. problems if you're hanging out with. someone who got a dude to your feet. for money." There are more messages from. the month of June. This is again in. June, the month before they're killed. Dom is really putting his foot down on. the matter. He even unfollows McKenzie. on Instagram, and he stops responding to.

her, and she's freaking out while he. remains relatively calm. She's video. calling him, "Why the aren't you. answering? Are you just reading this? You can't chill with prostitutes." And. again, the word usage here is not. preferred, but she responds, "Answer. What the Answer." He says he. unfollowed her because he doesn't want. her messages showing up in his primary. message inbox on Instagram. "Cuz I don't. want your messages in my primary. I. didn't I I didn't think you'd hit me up. on here. I thought you was going to be. done. I thought we broke up. I unadded.

you on everything. McKenzie is freaking. out in all caps. If we are done, let me. know now because I'm so over this. manipulation. You would be so good at. it, too, because you wrote the book on. it. So, you know exactly how to. manipulate people. Kenzie, if you want to hang with. prostitutes, we're done. He tells her. that one specific friend, especially. quote, she tried to make you her. prostitute sidekick type bring you. on her dates and That's weird. So, no, you can't chill with them. She did not bring me on her dates. She.

has never. She did before, and that dude. bought you a shirt or something like. that Like, so weird. >> So, it sounded like something happened. right 9 months ago. >> Yeah, it seems like he's like if I had. to give him the benefit of the doubt, it. doesn't seem like his qualm about this. friend is based off her occupation, but. more so that. >> The friend is asking or. you know, influencing McKenzie to do. >> Or like involving her in specific. >> under age. >> Yeah, exactly. So, >> This is a crazy crazy crazy crime for.

whoever party was involved in this whole. >> Police do. >> operation. >> Police do um pull cell bright data from. her text messages with this friend, and. I didn't find anything alarming in them. >> So, the text message doesn't show. anything. >> Yeah, but the text messages was like. >> So, are you saying we don't There's no. solid evidence that this happened? >> Mhm. There's no solid evidence that this. happened. It could have happened, and the police. don't find it worth their while since.

McKenzie is already convicted of being, you know, >> Right, right, right. But I'm saying like. whoever the dude is. >> Yeah. So, she says And again, like I. like I said, I don't know if there's. proof of this happening. I just know. that they're having a conversation as if. it really happened. >> Right, right. Okay. >> You know. And [clears throat] McKenzie. says she tried and it didn't work. because I wasn't into it. You said I. could go. I asked you first. I let you. make your own decisions. No, you told me. I could go, so you're not allowed to. hold that over my head, and that man.

didn't even touch me. Kenzie, I'm just saying. They get into. another fight, but interestingly, it. seems like Kenzie's tone is softening. down compared to a month or two prior. Maybe she knows that Dom isn't putting. up with it anymore. I don't know, but he. tells her, "Kenzie, I stand by what I. say.". She says, "Where did Dom go? The Dom I. loved. This is not you. I know you know. that, too.". He says, "Honestly, I do." And I think. he's referring to him standing by what. he says. "I know you're sad and hurt on.

the inside, so you're hurting me. You're. making me sad. You just ruined your. 4-year relationship in a day, and you. don't care.". He responds, [music] "I got to make it. to the top.". "This is not how you do it. You hurt. your number one fan.". >> [music]. >> "You should trust" So, he's saying, "You. should trust that I know best. I made. you who you are. I helped you grow into. a loving person, because if you knew me. at all, you would let me make my own. decision like I let you make yours.". >> But, who's saying right now? >> Kenzie. So, Kenzie's like, "Let me make. my own decisions about who I'm friends.

with.". It appears they make up, but like I. said, with what everyone's been saying. about their relationship, a lot of. people believe that Dom was going to. break up with Kenzie. If not soon, maybe. eventually. And they think that's why. Kenzie crashed the car. She knew he was. over her. He wasn't going to stick. around while she just did whatever she. did. But, Kenzie and her parents refute. this. They argue sure, they fought, but. they were just in a young relationship. where both of them were still learning, but ultimately, they loved each other. and were probably going to get married.

They believe that there is no way that. Kenzie was going to crash the car. intentionally, and that Dom was going to. break up with her. They think none of it. makes sense. Steve, Kenzie's dad in the Netflix doc, says, "It's tragic what happened to. those two boys. But, think if it was. your kid. What if Kenzie was yours? I'm. going to fight for my daughter, and we. have ironclad evidence that disputes. what was said in the trial. In a more recent interview with the. Daily Mail, Natalie says there were. three people in the car. Anything could. have happened, anything. So, all these.

people creating all these stories, it's. just a bunch of story time. Nobody. knows. Natalie says Mackenzie still behind. bars, loves Dom, and struggles with the. loss, but it's not like she sits there, you know, 24/7 not sleeping, eating, thinking about Dom and what happened. Mackenzie has actually been pretty busy. behind bars. She has roughly 36. misconduct tickets for violating prison. rules. Her alleged ex-girlfriends have. come out onto TikTok to talk about. dating her, and her jail calls have been. leaking online. Not even leaking, they've just been released in the public.

FOIA. All things that we are going to. cover in the next part of this series. So, with that being said, stay tuned, stay safe, and I will see you in the. next one.