TikToker in Perfect Relationship Accused Of CLEANING Crime Scene For Her BF’s Alleged Double Murder

Barbie and Barbuda. There was a viral tweet recently. It's. something along the lines of a woman's. notes app holds more mystery, more. intrigue, more truths than any film. Listen, I don't know exactly what it. means, but I do know that my notes app. is just like high security clearance. level type stuff. I mean, I have my. whole brain is on there. Grocery lists, like new restaurants that I want to try. out, directions on how to fix my stove, the emotional text message that I never.

sent, but I redrafted 25 times. Like all. of that is in my notes app, and I'm sure. a lot of you guys can relate to that. A lot of people speculate that a famous. TikToker and influencer by the name of. Kathy Vu, they speculate that she, like us, had a. very colorful notes app. So, she mainly. did voice-over TikToks. I actually came. across her page before I even knew about. this case, before this case even took. place. I felt like we had very similar.

aesthetics. Like she loved everything. pink, pastel. She had this moving out. series that was actually very fun to. watch. And I think that's how her social. media just started blowing up, like. taking off. She had this very. sweet way of speaking. When I navigated. dating before I met my boyfriend, I. literally used to think that I had to. prove to the people that I dated that I. didn't need much from them. And it just. kind of made you feel like, "Huh, she. feels like an older sister." Or she. feels like a sister telling me about her. day. She's also a little bit.

inspirational. She would showcase her. lifestyle, which was. I wouldn't even say it's like normal. It's just really nice. Like she had a. very nice lifestyle. She had just moved. into this new luxury apartment, bought a. ton of these like cute kitchenwares, and. she would show everyone hacks on like. how to do your laundry the right way, like what to check before you move into. a new place. She also gave a lot of a. relationship advice. She would post. motivational workout videos. I mean, it. wouldn't be hard to imagine that she had.

a lot of young girls looking up to this. seemingly perfect life online. So, in. one Tik Tok, she talked about her. relationship and all the things that her. boyfriend would do for her. It's kind of. giving the audience the whole this is. what a man should do in a relationship. This is how you should be cared for. If. he wanted to, he would type of advice. video. She writes text in the Tik Tok. while she shows off clips of him doing. all these things for her. And it says, "Things my boyfriend does that have.

forever raised my standards. Always. carries my luggage for me. Always down. to travel and do something spontaneous. Shows me his favorite things and is open. to my interest even if they're out of. his comfort zone. Is the most practical. and thoughtful gift giver and pays. attention to my interests. But most. importantly, he caters to my emotional. needs, which allows me to be my most. authentic weird self." She even posted a. Tik Tok showcasing a MacBook that he had. bought her for her birthday. And people.

were looking up to this relationship. I. mean, they were commenting about how. this is how boyfriends should be. treating their girlfriends. This is the. new standard. And then everything. absolutely imploded. Cathy's boyfriend. was wanted by Interpol for a double. homicide. And Cathy Vu herself was. arrested for tampering with the crime. scene. Authorities would find a note app. on her phone filled with a list of. cleaning supplies that they think was.

used in cleaning up the crime scene to a. murder. A murder that allegedly, the authorities. theorize, her boyfriend had committed. They also believe that her boyfriend. bought her that MacBook very soon after. Social media has now stated that was her. thank you for cleaning up the crime. scene gift. Let's get into what. happened.

[music]. As always, full show notes are available. at rottenmango podcast.com. This is. still a developing case and this is just. what we know as of the production date. or rather like what we know of when this. video is posted. With the trial coming.

up, I'm assuming there's going to be a. lot more information that comes out with. the legal process. I will say though, okay? Nobody has been convicted of a. crime. People have been charged. There. are theories of why they've done things, there are speculations, but this is just. all theories at the end of the day. We're not going to know if they're. guilty until it's proven in court. Wait, so the boyfriend and Kathy are both. arrested or bailed or. so basically the boyfriend has another. accomplice that was arrested for capital. murder. So the boyfriend and the.

accomplice, another guy, are arrested. for capital murder. They have not been. granted bail and Kathy has been granted. bail and she has much much much lesser. charges of tampering with evidence, I. believe. I will say though that this. case, even on the social media, but also. the mainstream aspect, like the. mainstream media front of this, has. centered more around Kathy Woo. She's. become the main topic of discussion with. this case because I think you know, for. one, it's fascinating that someone can. have such a quote open or transparent.

public internet life, if you will, and. then turn around and have such dark. things happening behind the scenes. I do. understand the fascination of that and. even just the contrast itself of her. being this very soft voice girl with. like a love for San Rio and then. allegedly being involved in a brutal, gruesome double homicide. You know, I. can understand that there's a lot of. shock and intrigue, but it is important. to remember that there are two other. parties involved. And I think because. there's just not a lot of information on. them, everyone has just been.

laser-focused on Kathy Vu. And I will. say that even this episode will have. more information on Kathy as of right. now since she was the public figure when. all of this went down. Mhm. But. hopefully that will change as the trial. moves forward and we will get more. information on the two other. perpetrators, but with that being said, let's get into it. In 2009, a Ratliff. disappeared. 2009. Okay, well, he tried to disappear. It was a challenge. He wanted to see in.

the era of Facebook, Instagram, cell. phones, security cameras on every street. corner, he wanted to see if he could. hide somewhere in the world without his. readers finding him. He offered up. $5,000 for anyone that could find him, and they had 1 month to do so. There. This was like a whole movement on social. media. People were forming groups, like. watchdog groups. They were forming. Instagram pages. It was everyone was. trying to find him, not even just for. the $5,000, but for the fact that they.

could. Mhm. They wanted to prove. something. He was found 3 weeks later by a team of. civilians. Civilians who were interested. in the reward money. 3 weeks. So, did he post anything on social media. during that time? little nuggets here and there, but not. They weren't big. They were really not. big at all. Yeah. You know what the Tik. Tok that try to find where I am with the. with the photo, like you locate a geo. locate? Oh, so scary, terrifying, right? And I.

imagine it's only getting harder now. because that was in 2009 and this is. 2023. I mean, think about what could. have happened in like the past 14 years. Yes, 14 years. But if you had to, right? Do you think it would be safer to go to. a densely populated city? Like would you. rather go to New York City, Hong Kong, Macau, Beijing? Like all these cities. where there's so many people that you. can get lost in a crowd, that you can. blend in, or do you go somewhere where. very few travel? Like the middle of. nowhere. Yeah, for sure. Middle of.

nowhere. Less eyeballs, like somewhere. wooded, somewhere quiet. Yeah. Absolutely. Interesting. So, Ho. Chi Minh City actually has more people. than New York City. Did you know that? Oh, really? Yeah. The city surrounds the Saigon. River. It it's in Vietnam, which I heard. it's really beautiful at night because. the city lights reflect off the river. Yeah, and it's beautiful. It's a city. that also feels like it never sleeps. Apparently, their nightlife is really. crazy. Like just rooftop bars, nightclubs, casinos. Like no sleep, next.

club, back-to-back. And it just feels. like a big Vegas, but better. Like you. can blend in, you can feel like you can. let loose and no one will know. No one. will even remember by the time that the. sun comes up. Even in February, it feels. like summertime in Vietnam. So, thousands of people they're traveling. from all over the world to Vietnam to. hide away from like the winter months of. the other countries. And it's nice in. the sense that everyone truly feels like. they go about their business. They don't. really pay too much attention to what. everybody else in the city is doing. I.

imagine that finding your friend in a. city like this would require back and. forth communication. Like you would need. to have a meet-up spot. You would need. to coordinate a time. But imagine you have to find someone in. the city that doesn't want to be found. Someone that's hiding. There were two young men hiding in. Vietnam. They're trying their best to. blend in and be invisible. You have. 26-year-old Poly Phan and 25-year-old. Jayden When. The two took very different. approaches. They landed in Vietnam on.

different planes, on different days, and. Poly, he tried his best to blend in with. the crowd in Ho Chi Minh City. He was trying to stay under the radar. He's trying to appear normal from the. outside. Like if you were to bump into. him on the street, you're like, "Oh, this is just another random resident.". He would actually go to the gym. Sometimes he would even go out on the. weekends. He would join the nightlife. And every time he would go back to his. place of res- residence, he would look. left, he would look right. He would look. over his shoulder to make sure that he. wasn't being followed. And then he would. put his key in the door.

Jaden had a completely different. approach. He went to like the suburb. suburbs, the place where very few go. Not even just like regular suburbs, I'm. talking like countryside. He met a young woman, pretended to fall. in love, offered her a visa into his. home country, the United States. And her. parents willingly took him in with open. arms. And for a while it worked. Nobody suspected that these two young. men. were wanted by Interpol.

Nobody knew that. Because just a few days ago before they. landed in Vietnam, they had allegedly. brutally murdered two men in cold blood. Let me take you to the day of the. murder. January 26th, 2023. Let's talk about John, okay? John is his. fake name. He is anonymous, but he is a. neighbor. He's been trying to fall. asleep for the past I don't know, like 3. hours. He's tossing and turning. He's. trying to put his cushion over his head,

and his damn dog just was going at it, like barking non-stop. Just would not. give it up. John is like, "What do I. need to do? Do I need to show you every. room in the house to tell you that we. don't have a home intruder. Nothing is. going on.". His dog is practically pacing around his. house non-stop as if someone had lit a. fire under its butt. Side note, John doesn't really seem that. nervous that there was something going. on or that there was someone outside. lurking in the woods trying to get into. his house. He lived in a gated private.

community in Houston, Texas with only. about like 10 other houses. It's a really safe. The houses were also pretty close to one. another. So, it's not town homes, they're not stuck together, they're not. sharing walls, but they've got tiny. little slivers of side yards. So, it's. really hard for someone to have a home. invasion and the neighbors don't notice. Everyone sees everything. So, this is pretty much as safe as you. can get in a single-family home. There's. a lot of ring cameras nearby, a lot of. nosy residents, a lot of close.

proximity. It would be very difficult. for someone to even rob one of these 10. houses. So, he lifts up his head and he's like, "Okay, what in the world is going on? Like, please, go to sleep.". And he flips over and he knocks out. He gets up a few hours later to start. the day. And he looks out his window as. he always does as he drinks his cup of. coffee, and everything is normal. Neighbors are walking their dogs as. normal. He could see across the street. into his neighbor's house, James. James.

is his neighbor, and James' white Prius. is in the garage. I mean, everything. seems like that morning bustle before. everyone's heading to work. John picks up his dog to bring him to. the front lawn, and he glances back up. at James' house. And it's strange. because his white Prius is sitting in. his garage. His garage door is open. It's lifted. Hm, like he forgot to close. it. Yes, but now that he's outside, he. can actually hear the Prius is running. The engine is on. Hm. And it's parked, and it doesn't look like anyone was. inside of the car. But again, would you.

really consider this some sort of like. bombshell neighborly gossip even? It's. January in Houston. I mean, it's it's. not freezing, but it's pretty cold. If. you're running into your house to grab. your phone or run back out to leave. after you grab something, you would. probably keep your car on so that you. don't get cold on the way out. So, John goes back into his home, and he. goes through the motions of his morning. routine. He heads back outside once more. to hop into his car and leave. when he's like, "Oh my god, James' Prius. is still parked in the garage, the. garage is still open, and the car is.

still on. And there's no sign of James. anywhere.". And again, he doesn't think anything. terrible happened. He's just thinking, maybe he doesn't know. I got to let him know like, "Hey, bud, you left your car open, right? You left. your car on.". He called James' phone. No response. He starts feeling a little curious, a. little anxious. So, he makes his way over to his. neighbor's garage. And the engine is on, but not only that, this is where he starts feeling kind of. like a unsettling feeling. The.

windshield wipers are going. Was it raining last night? Maybe. It's really weird. Why are the. windshield wipers still going? Like, even if you're running in to grab. something, you would probably turn it. off. It Windshield wipers, even when. it's drizzling, I like to turn it off, and then I'm like, "Okay, I need it. again." Defrosting? Yeah, it's just like tick tick tick. It's squeaking like squeak squeak. squeak. Back and forth, back and forth. Almost in like a creepy, haunted manner. The car is empty, the garage is empty, the house feels eerily quiet.

He's just like, "James?". No response. John walks around, goes to the front. door, cuz it's it's pretty rude to like. open the garage door and be like, "Hello, are you in here?" And he starts. knocking on the door, ringing the. doorbell. No response. And now John's. thinking, either I move on with my day. and I go to work, or I do something a. little bit crazy. And you know what? It's crazy, but I think it's okay. He goes around the bushes and starts. trying to peek in through the front. window of the house.

If James catches him, I'm sure that. there would be this awkward moment of. explanation, but something in his gut is. like, "I got to do it. I just don't feel. good about this. I don't think that I. can go about the rest of my day and not. keep thinking back on this morning.". John tries his best to balance and get. as close to the window as he can, and. his stomach drops. I mean, the heavy gut. feeling that he had was confirmed. The. house was totally ransacked. Just things were thrown about everywhere. and there were some splatters on various.

surfaces that were very dark and yes, it. looked like blood. Like it didn't look. like someone was spilling water. It. didn't look like a water balloon burst. It was blood. John runs back to his house. He calls. 911 and within minutes at around 8:30. a.m. officers arrive at the house for a. welfare check. I think officers were. expecting to walk into a potential home. invasion or some sort of burglary. Maybe. a domestic issue, but I don't think that. they were prepared to come across a. scene that looked. that looked like it was out of a scene.

of Breaking Bad. They walk into the house. Furniture. turned over, thrown everywhere. Doors, cabinets all swung open, blood. splattered on the walls, floors, bullet. fragments throughout the house and in. the middle of the chaos, there was a man. laying in a large pool of blood. He had. been clearly shot multiple times. To get a better idea of who this was and. how they were killed, authorities. searched the rest of the house and found. several packages of marijuana packed in.

airtight wrappings, 129 lbs of marijuana. 129 lbs? That's like a human. yeah. So in in Texas, marijuana is not. legal. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So that would be that would. probably possession with intent to. distribute. Okay. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So they also found 10 lbs of hash. oil. So think of like a a dog, like the. weight of a dog in hash oil. is hash oil? It's like a CBD oil that is.

like more potent than marijuana. Okay. And when they opened up the freezer, the. freezer, they found $36,000 in cash. staring back at them. But nobody took this? No. I mean, the marijuana itself is worth a. a of money, but then $39,000 just in. cash? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I don't. know why they. all the cabinets were open? Yeah, so it. seems like someone was trying to find. money or find drugs or find something, but what happened? Like, how did they. not take any of this? And why is there.

someone dead? Yeah. Cuz this is just. doesn't make sense. Like, what the hell. happened here? Was this a drug-related. murder? If so, why did they not take. anything? Why didn't they take the. marijuana? Why didn't they take the. frozen cash? Authorities, they quickly. pieced together that the dead man in the. living room was not James. He was not. the homeowner. What? So, who is he? How. is he connected to all of this? The man in the house was 35-year-old. Dana Rizzuto. He was actually from. Oregon, but James was a very close. friend of his that he was visiting in. Houston. Okay.

So, James had actually lived in Oregon. prior to all of this. And this is kind. of pertinent because both of them were. in the marijuana business, and it's. completely legal in Oregon. Mhm. So, they were legal distributors of. marijuana, and then James decided to. kind of take a step back from this. business. He stopped working with all of. his companies in Oregon. He moved to. Houston to focus on being a father, and. his best friend Dana was visiting him. Now, it does seem like maybe he hadn't. cut all of the ties because like I said,

there were 129 lb of marijuana in his. home. And I don't want to see people. victim-blaming because it doesn't really. matter if you have possession of drugs, if you're murdered, like, that means. nothing. Like, you can't be like, "Oh, well, they had drugs." A very weird way. of thinking. So, it seems like they hadn't fully cut. the ties. Now, the problem is marijuana. is illegal in Texas. Mhm. Dana seemed to. be visiting his close friend in Houston. And people said that the two were just. like as thick as thieves. They had very. similar energies. They had these larger.

than life personalities. They were also. the type of friends that very much. valued loyalty. What does it mean as. thick as thieves? Is that a saying? It's. a saying, yeah, where they're just the. type like when you're friends with them, you know they have your back. And they're just really best buds, they. would never betray each other. There's. no way that anyone could come between. them. Like thick as thieves, you know? And it sounds cheesy, and in today's. case loyalty might not seem like such a. positive thing anymore, you're going to.

see why, but these two, they were very. loyal and they were very honest with one. another. Like you know those friends. that will stick by you no matter what, but if you do something they'll be like, "Hey, that was dumb. Why did you do. that?". That was kind of their friendship. So, why was James' close friend Dana, who was presumably there to meet and. visit James, why was he found dead in. his house? And where was James? Police had a few leads to follow. One. being Dana's car. Neighbors reported.

seeing a Dodge Ram with Oregon license. plates, it's like a pickup truck, parked. in front of James' house. And now it's. missing. Clearly Dana wasn't the one to drive it. off the property, so who did? It seems. like whoever the killer was stole Dana's. car afterwards as like a getaway vehicle. of sorts. So, this car could potentially. provide them for the answers that. they're looking for. They issued a be on. the lookout, a bolo, for the 2002 white. Dodge Ram. Additionally, authorities. reported James missing. They towed the. Toyota Prius, so the Toyota Prius is.

James' car, it's in the garage, they tow. it to their impound lot. This is like. police evidence lot. This is not just. like a random tow truck lot. This is. police evidence. This is where they're. going to take your car if they. confiscate it. And they go back to following the rest. of the leads. Dana's pickup truck was. found 2 days later abandoned. Just the. truck was completely empty. James was. nowhere in sight. They towed Dana's. truck to the police station to be. processed processed for possible. evidence as well. And other officers. that are working on this case, they used.

Find My iPhone to track down James'. phone. It was just left at the White Oak. Bayou. So, it looked like either someone. discarded it to get rid of evidence or. maybe James himself could have thrown it. out the window or thrown it away himself. to avoid being tracked and throw. officers off his trail. So, now authorities have Dana's body, Dana's car, James's car, James's phone, but where is James? Now, this is the. part that I cannot wrap my head around. This is truly bizarre.

Five days later, investigators find. James's body. in the Toyota Prius. What? In the trunk of the Toyota Prius that. they have that had that they had. confiscated and impounded to the police. lot five days ago. I don't know why. it's not like he was hidden somehow in. this very intricate manner in the Toyota. Prius. He was in the trunk of the Prius. Wow. There's even a very eerie picture of a.

police officer with crime scene tape all. over James's home and you see the Toyota. Prius still parked in the garage and the. officer is kind of like looking at it. At that moment, James's body was in the. trunk. What? Yeah. I I just. what. So, I guess they just started processing. the Prius for evidence and popped open. the trunk. So, that's on February 1st of. 2023, they found James Martin's body. I. mean, it's just so confusing to me. Nobody knew why. Nobody knew why they.

didn't search the car earlier because. they it seemed like they had multiple. officers working this case clearly. I. saw some arguments that said that they. weren't able to get a warrant until five. days later, but I highly doubt that. Like, you're talking about a very. gruesome murder. I think the judge would. have prioritized the warrant to a degree. and they also they had so much probable. cause to get a search warrant like stat. ASAP. Wait, there's a murder and you need a. warrant to search the crime scene? Yeah, that doesn't make sense. make sense.

And peop- Okay, please, someone who's. more familiar with the legalities of. this. What if they're already searching. the home and the car? a car. They took the car. Yes, if you have the authority to move. private property like a car from one. location to another, I feel like you. could search the car. I mean, also if they're already. the car. You're already in the car. They're already driving the car or take. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I do I just don't. understand. Okay, another thing is if. they're already searching the home and. the car is technically on property,

would it not be a part of the search. warrant? And I also believe it is much. much easier for police to search a car. versus your home. Like the amount of. probable cause that they would need to. search a car is like here. Maybe they. went in the car and they're like, oh, it. seems totally normal. There's no blood, there's nothing, so we should be fine. Wow. It's just a very strange detail to. this case. I hope it's explained later. during the trial because I just don't I. personally don't understand it. If you. have more insight, please let me know in.

the comments. I tried looking more into. it, but I'm like, none of this makes. sense. Everyone seems confused. So back to the case. James was found. beaten, tied up, and dead in the trunk. of his car. His feet, ankles, and hands were bound. with duct tape. There was also duct tape. wrapped around his head and face. It was also clear that he too died from. multiple gunshot wounds just like his. friend Dana. So police now now they have. a double homicide on their hands and. honestly it's a very weird situation. They have a little bit to go off of, but.

it's not a lot. The sheer amount of. marijuana found in the house along with. the money in the freezer, it gives them. potential insight on the type of crime. that it could be, on the type of people. that might be involved, but it doesn't. really answer who exactly is still. involved. They had no eyewitnesses to go. off of. None of the other neighbors saw. anything. Yeah, sure, John was like, my. dog was barking up a storm that night, but he didn't see anything. He didn't. hear anything. All James's neighbors said was, "We saw. that pickup truck, the Dodge Ram, Dana's.

car, and then it was gone." That's it. We didn't see any people go in and out. of the house. We didn't see someone. drive off in that car. We don't know. So, the police, they went to their. favorite eyewitness. Security cameras. They canvassed the. area to see if anyone had ring cameras, home security cameras, businesses with. security systems, and eventually they. found videos from different cameras, different angles, and they were able to. piece together somewhat of a timeline. Eventually, these little videos, like. little breadcrumbs, like you know, the tape on the forest,

like when you leave little breadcrumbs, it's like that. It would lead them. straight to the suspect's door. And I. think, you know, with a case like this, I'm sure the police don't have a suspect. image in their minds, or at least they. shouldn't if they're good at their jobs. Like, you shouldn't have a preconceived. notion of who the suspect is, right? But. with everything they were presented with. thus far, the evidence, the breadcrumbs, the clues, I imagine that they had a. vague idea of the type of person that. they were looking for.

You're like, "Okay, maybe you could see. them and be like, I could see how these. two are connected. Maybe the suspect has. some drug charges in the past, or maybe. this person has some sort of criminal. history, maybe some dealing charges." I. could see that, right? But they ended up at the door of a San. Rio-loving, pastel-obsessed. TikToker/influencer, Kathy Vu. And they're like, "What the hell is. going on right now?". For example, Kathy posted a TikTok where. she gave dating advice, and she said,

"It's okay to be independent, but don't. make it the main reason why someone. should date you.". She talks about how before she met her. current boyfriend, she used to feel like. she had to prove to all these boys that. she was independent and that she made. her own money, and she felt like it was. it was a good thing to show men that she. didn't need them. But instead, she said. she realized she was only attracting. bums. That's what she said, bums. With that kind of attitude. Basically. saying, as a woman you should be taken. care of. This is paraphrasing, but she.

said she never really received flowers. from anyone before she started dating. her boyfriend because she just she just. wanted to show men how chill and. indifferent and laid back she was. She. wanted to make herself digestible. And she advises young girls that they. should take up space, that they should. be as irritating as you want to be. Like don't change your personality for. men. Like don't do these things for men. She said that now she doesn't want to go. through relationships dummying herself.

down to make herself convenient for. others. Mainly men. The only men that you. attract by proving that you don't need. much are bums. They foam at the mouth when they find. out that you don't need much from them. to be happy. The only person I was. hurting by not requiring much from my. partner is myself. Bum ass men love. women that are really independent. because most of the time this hyper. independence comes from some type of. trauma. Now, we don't know too much.

about Cathy Vu's relationship other than. what she puts out there, which is it's. pretty clear that she's very selective. in what information she puts online. about her boyfriend. There are parts of. their relationship that now in hindsight. people have been picking apart. Yes, there are, okay. So, Cathy stated that. her boyfriend was shy. And that's why. she never really showed his face on. camera. I don't even think people knew his name. Her boyfriend's name is Paulie Phan. And. in hindsight netizens now believe that. she never shared his face because he was. heavily involved in illegal activities.

But it does seem like he showered her. with monetary gifts. He would take her. on trips, buy her designer stuff. But. Cathy still prided herself in having. this very successful career. So, yeah, from the outside they seem like a very. perfect couple. Well, now video evidence showed two men. presumed to be Paul Lee and Paul Lee's. good friend Jayden arriving at Kathy. Vu's apartment complex. When did they. arrive at Kathy's? The day before the. murder, like the night of the murder. Oh, so they.

they met up there first before they. Yes. Okay. The police are trying to. reverse track the movements. All they. know is that Dana is dead and James was. found dead in his white Prius that was. parked in his garage. So, they're trying. to see when did the Prius pull up to the. garage, where was it coming from, who. was driving the Prius. So, they get all. these little CCTV clips and the last. time that James was seen alive was. entering Kathy Vu's apartment, or at. least the apartment building. But on the CCTV cameras, they don't see.

Kathy Vu. They see Kathy Vu's boyfriend. and their friend Jayden When. Mhm. So, you've got Paul Lee and Jayden. meeting up with James at Kathy Vu's. apartment building. Mhm. So, we never. saw James driving home. No. They actually see other people driving. home. Mhm. So, the white Prius was. driven by someone else. Yeah. So, the white Prius is driven by. James into Kathy Vu's apartment. building. So, James is alive at this. point and he's driving his car and he's. meeting up with Paul Lee and Jayden.

That's what it seems like, right? Because what they're they're kind of. guiding him into the garage, motioning. him for to park in the garage. Now, this. is where I have questions. All reports. indicate that this was a regular. schmegular apartment building garage, meaning like. a parking lot. Maybe there's a gate, maybe you need like a beeper to get in. or some sort of like tag to get into the. garage, but it's pretty public. Like the. rest of the residents can use it, maybe. guests of the residents can use it. I. don't know how all of the next series of.

events plays out if this is just a. regular schmegular parking lot. Because soon someone's going to. transport James's body into the trunk of. his car. Yes. How was that done, right? We don't know yet, and I'm sure maybe. they're saving that for the trial. Some. people have speculated online that there. are certain apartment complexes that. have private garages for residents to. lease. So, it's like a home garage. It's weird. It's like a home garage. It's closed. off. It doubles as like a storage unit.

But, I couldn't tell if Kathy Vu's. apartment offered that type of service. or even had that. So, all we know is that James is seen. driving up in his Toyota Prius. He meets. up with Paul Phan, Kathy Vu's boyfriend, and their friend Jaden Wen. This is the. last time that James is seen alive. The. last time he's seen is walking into the. apartment with the two men. There is no. movement, and then nothing happens. There is no movement, no significant. happenings on camera, and half an hour.

later, you can see the garage doors to. the apartment complex open, and the CCTV. camera show two men backing out of the. garage in James's Prius. James is nowhere to be seen. And the police track the Prius all the. way back to James's home. So, it seems like James is The theory is. James was murdered inside this. apartment. He was put into the trunk of. his car, and then his car was driven. back to his house. The two men are suspected of being. inside James's house, and within that.

hour Dana arrives in his Dodge Ram. And. a little while after that, Dana's Dodge. is seen driving away from the house. And once again, there's two men in that. Dodge. So, from the footage, it's easy. for authorities to piece together a. theory of what they believe took place. And again, this is just a theory. No one. has been convicted. Authorities believe. that James was lured to the apartment. complex where Kathy Vu lives by Kathy's. boyfriend and their friend Jaden. He met. up with the two men. There are some. rumors that Kathy helped lure James to.

the apartment, but I don't see any proof. of that. James was most likely ambushed, tied up, and murdered in the apartment. Authorities felt that it was clearly. premeditated. And just going by the. officers' theory moving forward, they. believe that the suspects, Polly, Jaden, right? They placed James in the trunk of his. own car. They drive to James's own house, where. they park the car in the garage, kept. the car running for whatever reason. I'm. not sure entirely why. Maybe they were. in a rush, maybe it was just the chaos.

of the situation, but it is a strange. detail. Authorities believe now they went inside. to ransack the place looking for drugs, money, and or both. But while they're in. that process, Dana comes home, sees what. they're doing, and officers theorize. that Dana was killed to avoid any. eyewitnesses to this crime. And since they had just escalated from a. homicide to a double homicide, and the. idea that perhaps, you know, the murder. of James was premeditated to a degree, they might have felt like now this is. getting out out of control. Like we had. planned to kill James, we had planned to.

do this, but now now this is like a. show. This is a mess. Maybe there was even a struggle that. broke out. This is the theory, right? Authorities believe it was a. spur-of-the-moment decision to kill. Dana. Maybe they were so shaken up that. they fled right away without taking any. of the drugs or money. Or maybe they believed that the gunshots. could be heard by the neighbors. They drive away in Dana's car because. they can't take James's car. James is in. the trunk of that car. They drive away. in Dana's car, abandon it on the side of. the road, and then they run on foot is.

the theory, is the allegation. I mean, the movement kind of makes sense. If. this theory does come to be true, it's. it's genuinely terrifying that two. people's lives were taken so so abruptly. and brutally for some drugs and money. Like I get it, it's a lot of drugs. I. get it, it's a lot of money, but like. where's the humanity? Like these are. people. Now, I know a big argument of this case. is going to be why were there drugs in. James's house in the first place? And. like I said, James and Dana were said to.

be commercial marijuana farmers from. Southern Oregon, where it is very much. legal and they were licensed. But more. recently, James had moved back to. Houston just to be closer with his. family and. it seemed clear that both of these men. wanted to distance themselves from this. line of work. They were kind of pulling. away from the industry. James, he wanted. to focus on being a good dad for his. son. Meanwhile, Dana, he started kind of. hanging out more in Portland. He wasn't. a father yet, but he had a nephew and. niece in Colorado and in Washington. He.

would take time out of his busy. schedule, travel across state lines just. to spend like a day or two with his. niece and nephew. [music]. It's like he would People said he came. alive whenever he saw his family. You. could just see how proud he was to be a. part of their lives and just to watch. them grow, which is a pretty big. sacrifice for Dana. Dana was Dana was. big with work. It really was his passion. before he started kind of pulling away. So in 2016, he started a cannabis. distribution company called LTMRN. It.

was pretty successful. A lot of people. said that Dana just had this crazy. networking ability. Like if you had an. aerial view of a networking event, people would all kind of like ebb and. flow around, but there was on always a. circle just gravitating towards Dana. People really liked him. He was. hilarious. He was a good-natured man and. people could see that within just like 5. minutes of meeting with him. It was so. easy to talk to him. He had all this. life experience and a lot of stories.

that he would share with people and it. was just so fun. He would be out one day. partying in Vegas and then the next day. he's hiking through Yosemite. I mean, this was a man that loved to experience. life and just go on these new adventures. and just really challenge himself to see. what else is out there. It was something that he had in common. with James. A friend of James said, "You could see. this man in a meeting with Fortune 500. CEOs. He would fit right in. He would be. comfortable in his own skin, [music]. and then that night he would fit right. in at like a crazy rock concert. He also.

loved rapping. He self-produced a fun. rap song called Hustle Hustle Ball. And like some of his friends kind of. poked fun at him because he's shirtless. and he's got sunglasses and a backward. cap on in the video and he's like. rapping. It's posted on YouTube and they. thought it was very, very silly, but. it's also just what made him so lovable. He was very free-spirited. He didn't. care. He never took himself or anything. that seriously. He just did what he. liked. He just did what made him happy. He also founded a Portland-based edibles.

company in 2016. And in the end, by. 2023, both of these men were starting to. pull away from the cannabis industry in. Oregon. James, he wanted to do it for. his family. Dana, he wanted to try. experimenting with different businesses. But I don't think that, you know, it's. it's something that you can just wake up. and wash your hands of. Just be done with the industry. Maybe. they had a lot of inventory left over. Maybe it was, you know, something else. It was a business that they had built. for years. So most likely, it seems that.

a few ties had remained. Now the problem. is marijuana is not yet legal in Texas. So police, they execute a search warrant. on Kathy Vu's apartment. Now, if I'm not. mistaken, this is the same apartment. that she did the whole series of moving. into my new apartment on. Like the one that kickstarted her career. on TikTok. And everything had been so. wholesome online and it is now believed. that this very apartment is allegedly. where a murder took place.

So it's it's kind of jarring. I do want. to clarify that Kathy was never seen on. CCTV cameras luring James into the. garage. And that's not to say that she's. not involved in some way, shape, or. form, but authorities clearly believe. that she was. Do we know if she was home. inside or no? Um it doesn't seem like it. from what I can gather, but we haven't. received like a firm statement, at least. that myself and my researchers haven't. been able to find where it was like she. was not home. Okay. It's kind of like all these different. things lead us to believe that she.

wasn't home at the time. Okay. And I'm sure if she was home, it. would be shown on CCTV that at one point. she arrived home earlier of the day. Yeah. That would put her at the crime. scene, which will change her charges. Yes. Yes. For this case, right? Yeah, she'd probably be an accomplice to. capital murder. Right. So, okay. Yeah. So, authorities clearly believe that she. was involved in some way, shape, or. form. They found an HEB store receipt. So, this is like your Ralph's or your. Kroger. They found a receipt that showed.

that Kathy purchased items the day of. the murder. And. you know, the items were. [sighs]. they were suspicious. She bought bleach, peroxide, trash bags. On top of that, police found bleach and iodine bottles. in the the back of Kathy's car. bleach and what? Iodine. What's iodine? basically. It's like a cleaner. You can. use it as cleaning. Found in the back of. Kathy's car. And um. yeah, to buy that on the day of the.

murder is is it's kind of suspicious. when someone is seen coming into your. apartment and then never seen coming out. and then you buy cleaning supplies. before the murder took place. Oh, this. was before all of this happened? not during, but it was before James was. last seen alive. But to be fair, I mean, you could argue. that maybe she was just a clean freak. I. mean, there was a TikTok that she posted. that stated that she loved cleaning. She. was insinuating that she was kind of a. bit of a clean freak. I will play it for.

the visual watchers, but for the audio. listeners, she's kind of doing a day in. my life as a corporate marketing girl in. the alcohol industry. She walks us. through her day of getting ready for. this promotional event at a club. She's. got to go to Michael's, get some gift. bags, set up a backdrop photo booth. It. shows her being incredibly hard working, but the part that has definitely been. picked apart like to hell and back is at. the club during her day in my life Tik. Tok. There is a moment where she talks. about how this particular club has a wet.

rag scent because a lot of the workers. use wet wet rags to clean the counter. tops. And she talks about how she even. brought her own cleaning supplies and is. literally seen in the Tik Tok cleaning. the counters while people around her are. partying. Okay, so Heart, the club that. we were at, sometimes has this like. musty smell because of the wet rags they. use. They're not entirely clean, so. there's always this really bad lingering. smell. My friends thought it would be. funny to record me cleaning. I actually. didn't know they were recording at. first, but I did bring my cleaner bottle.

from home to wipe down my section. So, people picked it apart because she was. cleaning? Um some people stated that she. posted this because she wanted to kind. of have something to fall back on. Like. you know when you're in that state of. like I'm about to This is purely. speculation from netizens, not even. police, okay? Some netizens were saying. maybe she posted it because she knows. she's about to buy cleaning products for. a murder and now she's like slipping. that in there to be like, "Look, I.

actually love cleaning. I'm just a clean. freak and that has nothing to do with. anything. It's not out of the norm for me." Some. people were saying it's just a. coincidence. So, this Tik Tok would be. dragged to the depths of hell and back. and analyzed till it could no longer be. analyzed. And some people argue that she. truly maybe was just a clean freak. And. while most of us probably don't buy. bleach, iodine, peroxide, trash bags all. at once and coincidentally on the day of. the murder that allegedly took place in. your own home, but maybe she's a clean freak. Like we.

won't know until there is a trial. Authorities stated that they found a. note on her phone which was a list of. items to purchase including, but not. limited to, bleach, towels, and iodine. Is iodine very common cleaning supply or. I don't think so. Cuz I feel like I would kind of consider. myself a bit of a clean freak and I I. don't even use bleach. When's the last. time you saw bleach in our house? Yeah. Yeah, cuz I mean, you know, you can use. a little bit. I mean, not saying that. everyone with bleach in their house, I.

know that there's a lot of uses for. bleach, but. I guess it's just a very hard substance. I try to stray away from as like a just. a cleaning my apartment type of girly. They also believe that this indicates. that Kathy had prior knowledge of what. was about to happen and she was planning. to help assist and have somewhat. somewhat of an active role in the crime. They also ran her phone records and they. found that Kathy was messaging her. boyfriend Paulie during and after the. suspected time of the murders. Authorities think that she was. coordinating using her garage and.

apartment and then coordinating the. cleanup. So, just to clarify, it seems. like officers believe that she was. helping coordinate and clean up the. crime scene. So, we don't know what she. said. No. This is from police. Police. saying we feel like this is what was. going on. Yeah, I'm sure police know kind of what. was said. Maybe maybe the text messages, maybe not the phone calls, right? Like. there were multiple FaceTime calls. Um. there were some speculations that she. was calling to verify over and over. again that her boyfriend had closed the.

garage when they left her apartment. That's kind of what we know as of right. now. After Paulie and Jayden left her. apartment in Jayden's car, she FaceTimed. him six times in the span of 25 minutes. They also texted each other to verify. that the garage door had been closed. Hm. So, she at least know that they are. there. left. They're there and they left. could argue that she didn't know that. James was there. Right.

You could argue that she only thought. that her boyfriend was there and was. like, "Hey, babe, did you close the. garage door cuz I'm not home?". Multiple times or. It's It says that she called him six. times. Or she was FaceTiming with him. six times in the span of 25 minutes. Mhm. So, I think I think more than the. cleaning supplies, the text messages, and the phone calls are probably a worse. look, in my opinion. It just you know, the cleaning supplies, you could try and. twist it and argue and be like, you. know, she works in a corporate sphere. She maybe she bought it for this or.

that. But, the text messages are. interesting. Now, I have seen some online discourse, and right now it's all speculations and. rumors, this whole case is. But, some. people have posted online that Kathy was. a very sweet, trusting, almost naive to. a fault person that probably was too. scared to say no to her boyfriend, which. I'm not sure how to feel about that. because. she's 23, I believe. So, when you're 23, maybe there's some things I'm a. people-pleaser. I have such a hard time.

saying no to people. Trust me, I. understand that feeling. I relate to it. like on a spiritual, deep level. But, if. you ask me to clean up a crime scene, that's a solid no. So, I don't know where that argument. comes in. Some people say that she. didn't really know what she was getting. into and maybe thought that because her. boyfriend was potentially, allegedly. involved in some harsh, illegal. activities, she was scared for her own. life. She got roped into it because she. was terrified. And then I see the argument that people. are saying, "No, she's 23. She was.

actually benefiting from her boyfriend's. alleged illegal work. She was constantly. She wasn't afraid to spend his money. going on trips, getting all these gifts. She was benefiting in some way, and now. she's cleaning up a crime scene. You. can't really say that she was so scared. and terrified." So, it's just kind of an. argument. I do think that it does rub a. lot of people the wrong way that she was. kind of preaching online about having a. good relationship and having boyfriends. that respect and cherish you. Meanwhile, she is accused of doing something.

absolutely heinous for her boyfriend. I also see a third group of people, a. very small, tiny group of people that. believe if the series of events are. true, they like Kathy even more now. What? I actually saw a lot of Reddit comments. that said, "Got to get me a ride or die like Kathy. Vu.". Oh, come on. Yeah, which is truly. unhinged if you ask me. Yeah, this is. not a movie. This is not.

nothing to romanticize here. Kathy Vu was taken into custody and she. started giving her version of events. She claimed the night of the murders she. had a work-related dinner planned and. she actually wanted to invite her. boyfriend Paulie to go with her. He. didn't show up and said he messaged her. saying, "Hey babe, sorry I can't go like. emergency happened.". So, he couldn't be there. She stated. that that's all she knew. She didn't. know what the emergency was. She didn't. know emergency was murder. He just. couldn't show up to her work event. That's all he said.

Now, I'm not sure if she did this as a. self-preservation argument or if she was. still looking out for her boyfriend. Paulie, but she told officers that. James, the victim in the trunk, was the. problem. She stated that he had a. history of threatening people including. her own boyfriend and she said, quote, "If anything were to have happened, it. would definitely have been. self-defense.". That's what she told the police. Yes, after being arrested. She told officers that James owed her. boyfriend Paulie about $40,000.

and when asked why, she said, "After a. narcotics-related transaction that. didn't go as planned.". Which authorities didn't believe because. according to James's mom, Paulie was the. one who owed James money. So, while. officers state that they had knowledge. of a history between the two, it seems. like they are inclined to believe that. Paulie was actually the one that owed. James money. And maybe, theorizing, this is pure. speculation, potentially Paulie had. lured James out under the guise of like, I'm going to give you your money back.

Mhm. And instead of giving his money. back, he murdered him so that he could. be absolved of that debt and then went. to his house to ransack it and steal. stuff. And maybe it could even look like. he was just targeted for the drugs. But the plan is really not smart. Yeah, so I just I don't see how they think. they can get away with this for even a. day. Yeah. See, that's the weird part. I genuinely feel like if they found. James's car in the trunk, this is my.

personal opinion, if they found James's. body in the trunk sooner, potentially. they wouldn't have been looking at a. fugitive situation. Like Like they would. catch them immediately. to Vietnam. Right, right, right. But. even that, they still caught them very. quickly. So. So Tuesday, March 21st of 2023, Kathy Vu. was officially charged with tampering in. the deaths of James Martin and Dana. Ridal. She appeared in court with the. most Texan-looking lawyer I have ever. seen in my life. Like I'm talking cowboy. hat and everything. Yes. Her attorney.

focused on getting her out on bail. He. tried to draw sympathy from the judge. stating that Kathy Vu had lost her job. after her arrest. Which I don't know why. he said that. I don't know why certain. attorneys say things like that because. it's kind of a situation of read the. room, sir. Two people were killed. I. don't think losing a job is the end of. the world and I don't think anyone is. going to dig deep into their hearts. right now to find sympathy for something. like that. But her attorney continued to argue that. Kathy had only been dating Paulie for a. few months and she quote only did what.

her boyfriend told her to do. That did. not sit right with a lot of netizens. because ultimately she's not a minor, she's a 23-year-old woman who works a. corporate job who. Wait, wait, I'm so sorry. Before you go. move forward, the lawyer says she only. did what her boyfriend told. Yeah. So is she Are they admitting that. she did something for the boyfriend. relating to the case? And I think the speculation online right. now is that she's working with the. prosecutors and is going to get out on.

probably no time as long as she can. testify. Mhm. Is the speculation, we don't know. Yeah. So, I mean, it's just kind of a. weird thing to argue when she's a. 23-year-old woman who has a corporate. job, who lives on her own, is very. independent. Also, a lot of her brand. identity was on being independent. And. now it's like, "No, no, no, she's not. independent at all. She was manipulated. Has no idea what she's doing." Not. saying that she can't be manipulated, but it's just It was a weird argument to. make in court.

Netizens and the prosecutor argued, she. messaged him before, during, and after. the murders. She bought the cleaning. supplies and allegedly cleaned up the. crime scene. To make matters worse, she. went right back to posting TikToks the. very next day talking highly about her. boyfriend, about how he's a great gift. giver. And now. Wait. Yeah. We don't know. day of the crime? Yes. Now, we don't know if maybe her This is. like a pre-filmed TikTok. But she does. go back to posting TikToks after the. murder.

Before she's arrested. About the boyfriend? Yes. And she showed. off this new MacBook that he had gifted. her, which, you know, a lot of people. feel like it's her. "Thank you for cleaning up a crime. scene" gift. That's what a lot of people. said online. The thing that's [music]. really sweet about my boyfriend is that. he thinks that he's a bad gifter. So, he. always overcompensates his gifting and. [music] actually gets me really good. things. He saw my raggedy ass 8-year-old. MacBook and replaced it for me. This is. my birthday present. [music] I'm so. grateful. Wow. Yeah.

Like. wow. Even if this was pre-filmed, still, like this. event just happened in your house. last night. So, I see the argument that. either she's incredibly heartless. And. if If is all true, if the police theory. is true and they're all found guilty, she's incredibly heartless. I do see the. other argument of like she is trying to. appear as everything is normal. Because maybe people would question if. she suddenly stopped posting or if her.

content was suddenly a different a. shift. She's no longer talking about. that. She was talking about other. things. I don't know. Either way, it's very. unsettling, I think. Yeah. And it's not really even about the. MacBook, you know? It's just the fact. that. people argue Kathy doesn't seem affected. by anything. And that is just not normal behavior for. someone who allegedly was forced into. doing something they didn't want to do. Judge Lori Chambers ordered Kathy to. wear a GPS ankle monitor while released.

on a $40,000 bond. She is not allowed to. have any communication with Polly or. Jaden. Like I said, a lot of netizens were very. confused about how she got off so. lightly, but it is speculated that she's. most likely working with the prosecutors. to testify against Polly and Jaden. later. Because while Kathy was still in. the US to face the legal battle herself, Polly and Jaden were nowhere to be. found. Side note, I do see a lot of discourse. that this this is a learning moment for. a lot of people. There is this.

romantici- romanticization amongst. certain couples like the ride or die. couples, the Bonnie and Clyde couples, and sometimes that adds this romantic. main character element to committing, you know, literal crimes like drug. dealing. But this is a good learning. lesson that even if you think that your. partner is your ride or die and you. could really feel that in your heart and. soul you would do anything for this. partner, they are the Clyde to your. Bonnie or vice versa, it might just be. one-sided. Yeah, the guy left. Yeah, because if this is all true, if.

Kathy did indeed clean up a crime scene. for her boyfriend, her boyfriend left. her in the US to deal with the aftermath. while he fled to Vietnam without her. And he used her apartment to do the. crime allegedly, allegedly. Like they. know what's coming. Yeah, this is not This is not Bonnie and. Clyde. This is Bonnie and the fugitive. who doesn't care about Bonnie, if this. is all true. So, just be careful who you think is. your ride or die, or just be careful if. you think that you'll do anything for.

your partner. There is a chain of events though that. gets triggered when Interpol sends out a. red notice. The first step is any of the. member countries of Interpol, there's. 195 member countries. Each country can. request a red notice be sent. A red. notice is essentially a global. international bolo, be on the lookout. for this fugitive on the run. Interpol, international police, will. check the request to make sure that that. government, that country is not hunting. down a refugee, is not hunting down a.

whistleblower, and once approved, that. red notice will be sent to authorities. in 195. different countries, which It sounds. like you still have places to hide, but. not really. Almost every single country. in the world is involved in Interpol and. will receive a red notice on their desk. So, do they know that they went to. Vietnam or they have. Yes. Oh, they knew. They used their passports. Oh, okay. So, they just need to go to. Vietnam. Exactly. Then each country will decide.

how to handle that red notice. Vietnam's. Interpol received a notice. The United. States were looking for two citizens. involved in a double homicide, US. citizens, Polly Fan and Jaden Nguyen. Now, again to clarify, they're both US. citizens and I'm not sure if they're. born citizens or have immigrated. So, it's unclear if they have family in. Vietnam, um and even if they did, were. they staying with family, were the. family helping? We don't know. But we do. know that the two fled to Vietnam. They're on the run. And the police have. no official leads. They don't know if. they went to Vietnam and then went on.

the run crossing borders, not using. their passports. Here's a It's a. interesting detail. One of the two. perpetrators actually applied for an. emergency passport reissue in the US. like immediately after the crime. And then fled to Vietnam. What does that mean? Why is that? So, that I think goes again to bolster the. theory that they thought that they could. premeditate a murder against James, kill. him, and get away with it. But once Dana came in and the whole.

thing flew out of control, now they're. like, "Okay, has hit the fan. I. need to leave the country." They applied. for a emergency passport. To leave the country. They don't have a passport? Maybe it was. expired. Uh I see. just goes to show like the train of. thought they thought that they were. going to get away with James's murder it. seems. Allegedly. I'm sorry, what you're saying is the. emergency passport meaning he wasn't. planning on leaving. Yes. This is very last minute. It's like, let. me get my passport renewed so I can.

leave right now. So, they didn't plan. that part. Exactly. In like 48 hours. So, I think. that's why a lot of people believe the. police theory that they premeditated. James's murder, thought that they were. going to get away with it, it flew out. of control when Dana walked in on them. ransacking the house. But what if that murder also is not. premeditated? Yeah. That's why they. didn't get the passport. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting, right? Yeah. Now the two have fled and they're. dealing with Kim Bryant. Kim Bryant is.

the unit manager of the fugitive. apprehension team in the Harris County. DA's office. She was tasked with. locating Polly and Jaden. So, when this. case comes onto her desk, she moves it. up to the top of the priority just based. on the shocking nature of the crime. She. was told a few times by superiors and. other people that have been working this. unit. They're like, "Okay, the suspects. have fled to Vietnam. Most likely, you. might be looking at years, a few years. before you can get them into the US.

again and formally charged for their. crimes. Like it's hard to find them. Okay. Hard. It's hard. There's a legal process. to extradite them. It's going to be. messy. It's going to be a long time. But. just truly to find them, I mean, it's not like they're the most. wanted on FBI's list. It's not like we. can pour all of our resources into this. one case. It's going to be lengthy. But Kim said, "It's not hard to be tracked in some. way, shape, or form.". And right now with the time and age of.

digital footprint and surveillance, it. will thankfully and hopefully always get. harder and harder for criminals to go on. the run and not be identified. So this little cat and mouse game. begins. And as of right now, it's not. entirely clear how Pauline and Jaden. were caught. I think that this is going. to come out during trial. So we don't. know what tactics that the fugitive. teams or potentially Interpol used to. catch them, but there is a running. theory on TikTok, only on TikTok, okay? That Vietnam, like most Asian countries,

they've got a lot of ajummas. They've. got a lot of moms, if you will, that. love to gossip. So a lot of people think. that there was a train of gossip or word. of mouth that really was the nail in the. coffin, caught the suspects. Mhm. Which would be fascinating. So the locals kind of helped. Yeah, that the locals were like, "Did. you hear? Did you hear?" Mhm. "Apparently they're in Vietnam." And I'm. sure that this was a huge case for. Vietnamese Americans cuz. think about it. For Korean Americans it would be a huge.

case and then I'm sure that there would. be a lot of Korean American to Korean. discourse cuz there's connections, you. know? We have family in Korea. Mhm. The conversations would keep going. So June of 2023, Pauline Fan and Jaden. were caught. Pauline was found living in. Ho Chi Minh City. Authorities stated. that he seemed alert. He seemed aware of. his surroundings, yes, but he still. tried to live a normal life, which is. shocking. It's crazy. He would go to the. gym. He would go out at nights on the. weekends. He was actually arrested at. the gym. Like, how do you go to a gym.

while you're a fugitive on the run? He. should be like hiding in the room, curtains closed. Yes. Wow. Never going outside. Yeah. As for Jaden, he was found in the. countryside, allegedly living with a. woman and her family after telling them. that he was going to marry her and get. her a green card into the US, which I. don't know how he thought that one was. going to play out cuz so you're a. fugitive. of. They were extradited back to Harris. County July 19th and July 21st, respectively. They have both been.

charged with capital murder, meaning. that death penalty is on the table. So, typically when you're committing a crime. and then you murder someone while you're. committing a crime. So, in the state of. Texas, if you're robbing someone and you. end up killing them. If you're having a. drug deal and you end up killing them. If you're assaulting someone and you end. up killing them, it's automatically. capital murder. Which is worse than just. murder. So, just homicide, uh. first-degree homicide, you're looking at. life in prison. Capital murder, you.

could it could be death penalty. All signs point to the fact that they. will be facing potential death penalty. charges. Both Pauleen and Jaden have. been refused bail. Jaden's attorney have. stated that they may be able to indict. my client, but they absolutely do not. have enough to convict him. Which I understand that this is an. ongoing case and that lawyers have a job. to do, but I just feel like again, not. the best statement. It feels like at. least from a public perspective, they. have video surveillance at the crime. scene from two separate crime scenes.

heading from one to another, then you. fled to Vietnam. It just doesn't feel. like it's not absolute. Mhm. He's saying you have absolutely no. evidence. I don't know if it's absolute. Maybe it's circumstantial, you could. argue that, right? So, right now people. are speculating that Kathy Vu will be. throwing Pauleen and Jaden under the. table and now it seems like Jaden will. be throwing Polly and Kathy under the. table. Jaden's going to try and be like, "No, it was all the couple.". I don't know what is going on. The.

couple, it's like Bonnie and Clyde. masterminds and I am just like a. bystander to it. That's the speculation of how people. think that it will play out in trial. I'm not sure how Polly will be. approaching this case with his attorney. I guess we will just have to wait and. see how the trial goes. And again, just. to clarify, we don't know the absolute. facts of this case yet. We have a. supposed motive, we have a supposed. theory, but we don't know the exact. reason that two individuals lives were. cut short and exactly who was involved. in what.

But, it has been a huge relief for the. victims' families that the fugitives. were caught. James' family said, "We are. thankful that we had James walk with us. for the past 37 years. He's our sunshine. and is now our shooting star out there. in the greater universe, shaking things. up. God will take him in the fold of. super angels.". Dana's father said, "It's so hard to grasp that he was just. visiting a friend in Houston. [music]. He didn't even live there and he was. murdered.". Dana's stepmother emotionally stated, "He did nothing wrong. He walked in at.

in the wrong door at the wrong time and. it has devastated our family.". Dana's dad said, "For 5 and 1/2 months, I prayed for them to be caught every. day. I'd like to meet the woman that's. the head of the fugitive task force next. time I come to Texas so that I can shake. her hand and if she'd allow me, I'd buy. her a steak.". Yeah. He went on to state that his son. Dana was one of the better human beings. that you would ever meet. He said, "We. had a lot in common and. now that's gone and he's gone and I.

don't know how to make up for that.". [music]. And that is the very viral case of how a. TikToker is allegedly involved in a. double homicide. This has been highly requested. Um. yeah, it's just everything is kind of up. in the air though. Please let me know in. the comments, what are your thoughts on. this case? Did you watch Kathy Wu's. TikToks before all of this happened? Were you a viewer of hers? Let me know, and please stay safe. I will see you. guys on Wednesday for the main episode.

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