“The Healer” Helps Couples Get Pregnant Then Has Affair With Wives- Mysteriously Found Dead

Bada bing, bada boom. >> It's a big debate. The good old. infidelity clause in a prenuptual. agreement. Is it viable? Is it not. viable? It depends on the state. You. think that you can just write in there. before I get married, hey husband. Hey. future wife, if you think you're going. to cheat on me, guess again you're not. because you're going to give me. everything if you do. Some judges in. certain states will say, "Yeah, that. doesn't work here. you're still going to. get half of everything even though your.

pants were in somebody else's closet. It. doesn't matter. But there are a lot of. other weird clauses that are getting. popular. The Weight Watchers clause, one. partner or both partners, usually Yeah. Usually the wife will be forced to stick. to certain lifestyle habits and fitness. goals. Basically, they write into the. prenup that for every 10 lbs that a. woman gains, she owes her partner a. financial fine. >> Wait, that's this is real? >> Yeah. or she forfeits some of the. private property that both of them. share.

>> Wait, how is that real? This is real. >> It's most likely not going to be held up. in court, but people have been writing. it into their prenups. And it's not like. a tiny weight on the scale either, the. financial fine. One couple wrote that if. the wife ever weighs over $120, she. forfeits $100,000 worth of property. allegedly reportedly Jessica Simpson and. some guy named Tony Romo. I think he was. like a some ball dude quarterback or. something. Okay, Dallas Cowboys, don't.

be offended. I can't throw a ball for. the life of me. Okay, but allegedly when. he and Jessica Simpson were dating, they. were going to have a prenup clause that. required her to pay him half a million. for every pound that she gained over 135. lbs. [music] Thankfully, they never got. married. I don't even know if this is. true. He is now married to, you know, Nate from Gossip Girl. >> No, >> Nate Archbold from Gossip Girl. His. sister is married to Tony Romo now, but. I don't know what's going on in their. prenup if they have one. Or there is a.

Netflix [music] narc clause for every. hour of TV that a partner watches over. the weekly allotted stipulated amount, they will pay their partner a fine. How. much TV do you have to be watching for. someone to write that into their. premarital agreement? The only one that. I could maybe maybe see a use for is a. clause that dictates the number of. overnight stays for each in-law parent. every [music] single year. This could. maybe be useful if you have overbearing, always in your space, opinionated, wants. to date their own child in-laws that. never leave you alone and never stop.

criticizing you. But that might be the. only clause that's not completely. unhinged. But also, I feel like you. could have probably handled that before. you get married. There's also suddenly. we're in the red light district clause. If intimate relations are not had at. least x amount of times a week, a fine. is paid. One couple allegedly even came. up with a list of pre-approved positions. [music] that count as intimate. relations. Some positions don't count, I. guess. I don't even know how this is. trackable. How would one person prove to. the other party that they did not adhere.

to the terms? I will say it sounds awful. and it probably is, but again, it's. entirely uninforceable in the court of. law. I highly doubt that a judge is. going to sit there and enforce any of. these clauses which if one clause of an. entire agreement in a prenup or a. postnump is deemed frivolous by a judge, it could actually render the entire. agreement void and uninforceable. And. that is why a lot of attorneys say, "Hey, don't be dumb.". >> So the cheating clause is also not. always enforcable.

>> No, there's lots of states who don't. enforce it. California is notoriously. one of them. Yeah. So some states just. don't like it. I guess it also could. depend on the judge, but it's very. interesting. >> Prennumps are done before two people get. legally married. Postnumps, a lot of. judges these days hate postnumps. Postnumps are drafted and signed after. two people are legally married. And. obviously with postnumps, it's difficult. because the courts just hate it. It's. more expensive first of all to get.

attorneys to draft up postnumps because. they have to go through all the. entangled assets that you guys already. collectively have. And then from there, judges don't like it because typically. you're taking away the rights that. people receive upon getting married. So. prenups, you're modifying rights before. those rights are given to you, before. you get those rights because the minute. you get married, you have certain. rights. So you're modifying, hey, you're. not going to get this right before we. get married. >> So you never had that right to begin. with, >> right? >> But then with a postnump, judges are. saying, well, now you're taking away.

rights and now we have to factor in was. it signed under duress? Like there could. be a whole buttload of reasons why. someone might have signed a postnump. versus a prenump. People think prenumps. are done with much more clearheaded. minds in space. I don't know if that's. true, but a lot of attorneys will argue, I mean, yeah, definitely if you don't. have a prenup, get a postnump. Those are. always encouraged. But if you have to. pick between the two, if you're thinking. about getting a prenup or a postnump, get a prenup. It's so much easier, more. affordable legally, and more likely to.

stand up in court. And this specific. couple, a young couple in Hawaii, did a. very odd postnump that I really don't. know how it would hold up in court. It. most likely is not going to stand. Even. though it has been heavily criticized, not in family court, though, in criminal. court. The postnamp between a Hawaiian. couple states that in the event of a. divorce, the father will get all the. assets, the house, the money, the cars, full custody of their daughter, and the. mother gets nothing. [music].

She gets zero. She doesn't walk out with. a dime. And the mother is no longer. ever, ever ever ever ever allowed to. visit psychics. That's written into the. postnup. If she visits a psychic, a. divorce will be had. >> That is crazy. That's likely not. enforceable though, right? Okay. >> Oh, and she can never see or speak to. her fertility specialist ever again. Why. would that be in a postnip agreement? Especially when this woman's fertility. specialist is a man named John Takuhara, a local acupuncturist who recently.

helped multiple couples conceive. What. does John have anything to do with. anything? And what does it mean when. just two weeks after this document is. signed by this Hawaiian couple, the. fertility specialist John Takuhara is. found [music] killed? This is the case. of John Takuhara. [music]. [music].

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mentions of infertility, infertility. treatment, and as well as extrammarital. affairs during very vulnerable, sensitive times. Please take care and. watch with discretion. And with that. being said, another note, statements and. quotes may be condensed for brevity. So, with that being said, let's get into it. January 13th, 2022 is not the best time. to be in certain parts of Hawaii. There. is something called a lava lake. It's. very rare. There's only like 10. documented cases of persistent lava. lakes in the entire world. These are.

different from pools of lava or even. lava ponds. Essentially, it's a crater. It's a dip in a volcano. It could be on. the side. It could be at the top. And. it's created this almost inground pool. structure to be filled with lava. And. every day it just burns lava. And it's. connected to a continuous supply of. lava. And it's never going to stop. burning. It's like a death swimming. pool. And it's always moving because. there's lava being pumped into the lake, if you will. And the top layer looks. like it's cooled down. So, there's. almost like this crusty looking.

substance covering the red. It looks. like if you were to get a Chicago deep. dish pizza, put it on a high broil. setting, you've got that crispy layer on. top, but the minute that you plunge your. finger in, you're going to get burned. because that mozzarella sauce has not. cooled down and it's very wet inside. [music] And the depth is visual. When. you see videos of the lava lakes at. night, it looks like the center of hell. It's so bright. It just has a red angry. glow. You can't even stand near the lava. lakes's edge without specialized heat. resistant gear because your skin is.

going to melt off. It's going to just be. sludge. The lava itself is going to be. from 1,400 to 2,000° F. I can't even. give you a comparison, but I don't know. a single person who doesn't complain. when it's like 88 degrees outside. It's. deadly. And it's even more dangerous. because even if you were to kill someone. before they fall into a lava lake, like. a movie, falling through the volcano. fog, the smoke is going to eviscerate. airways before they even make contact.

with the lava lake. January 13th, 2022, the Hawaiian Volcano Observatory gets. word that all the monitoring equipment. that they set up to monitor one of the. lava lakes on the island is about to get. covered in lava. So, they have to do the. quickest rescue mission for their. devices. Thankfully, they pull it. together and nobody is harmed. >> Why are the device going to be covered, though? >> The lava's overflowing. >> Oh, I see. I see. >> But that doesn't even make the biggest. news. The biggest news on the island. that day, January 13th, 2022, is.

something happened to the healer. The. healer makes it sound overtly spiritual, but if you have tension, if you have. chronic pain, which a lot of people. have, you have to go to the healer. And. they just call him the healer. He. doesn't call himself the healer. He's. not like a cult leader. They call him. the healer because he's just that good. They're talking about John Takuhara, the. best acupuncturist in the entire island, the whole area. One person writes in a. review, "John Takahara works miracles. I've been seeing him for close to a year. for traditional Japanese acupuncture. I.

had constant pain in my back, and with. his treatment, I can kind of function. again. My quality of life has gotten so. much better. I'm a person who hates. needles, by the way, but I hate taking. medications more. So, coming from a. person that hates needles and pain, you. can do it. You barely notice the needles. going in. John is that good. You will. feel so much better after just one. treatment that is going to keep you. coming back. Whatever you've got going. on, pain, fatigue, stress, depression, headache, sleeplessness, etc. There is. relief. Moreover, there is also.

designated parking spots for the. building, so parking will never be an. issue. Community members say he really. was the healer. He was healing people. and people who had pain, discomfort. He's the type of acupuncturist if you. show up at his door in pain, you have no. money, he's going to take you in. He's. going to take good care of you, and he's. not going to ask for payment. >> Wow. >> That morning of January 13th, 2022, 8:00. a.m., an older woman with silver hair. gets out of the driver's seat of her. car. She's parked directly in front of. John Takahara's acupuncture clinic. And.

she's not here for acupuncture, although. she looks like she probably could be. She wasn't able to sleep much last night. and she's walking a little bit slow. She's a little bit elderly and something. just very weird happened last night. Her. son was supposed to show up for dinner. She made a hot plate for him and it's. just been sitting there. He never came. home for dinner. I mean, he doesn't live. with her, but he visits her for dinner. and he's always on time. He doesn't show. up. He's not responding to any of her. messages. She thought maybe he forgot. Maybe he decided to eat dinner with his. girlfriend instead. But he's not the.

type to not tell his mom about that. She. gets out of her parked car, opens the. door to the acupuncture clinic, [music]. and laying in a pool of blood next to. the front desk is John Takohara, the. healer, and he's been murdered. >> I went into the office and I saw him on. the floor. [clears throat] and I saw the paper. paperwork all over the room. >> Someone walked into the clinic, the. acupuncture clinic, and shot him four. times in the head. But who the hell.

would want a healer dead? There's a few. different ways acupuncture can be. explained. The first more traditional. way is the idea that energy flows. through the body. So there's chi. The. energy is calledqi. And there's 14. different energy channels inside of our. bodies. When one of those energy. channels becomes blocked or imbalanced, of course you're going to feel pain, which could explain why certain. illnesses, like you feel like you try. all this modern medicine and you can't. fix the pain. It's because you're not. fixing the root of the problem, which is. your chi is blocked. Acupuncture aims to.

help unblock and rebalance the energy by. stimulating specific points along. certain energy channels. Then there's. the more biomed perspective. But here's. the very interesting thing. Both things. lead to the same place. >> So someone can say, "Oh, the chi is. blocked here, so I'm going to put a. needle here." And then the biomedical. perspective, which is simply when you. insert needles, it can activate local. receptors and nerve fibers, which could. do one of few things. It could do. nothing, or it could release endorphins, which are natural painkillers that your.

body produces. It could also help. modulate cortisol, the natural stress. hormone, or it could be like, okay, to. put it for like the skincare girls, micro needling on the face. Why are. people stabbing their face with needles? Because when you create these micro. super tiny traumatic environments, it. signals to the body to recruit immune. cells. >> to heal it. >> Yes. To heal it, to release biomolecules. that promote tissue repair, which just. doesn't just repair the tiny. microtraumatic incisions, but also. whatever was bringing you pain in the.

first place. I mean, this practice has. been around for at least 3,000 something. years. The needles are not painful. I. mean, once they're inserted, you usually. have to keep them in for 30 minutes. They're about the width of a tiny hair. And people say you can't even feel it. going in. And if you do, it's kind of. like a like a warm sensation. >> Mhm. You tried it, right? Yeah. Years. ago. >> Yeah. My mom goes to an acupuncturist. She loves it. I'm not the biggest fan. cuz I get really anxious. >> Mhm. >> But people love it. And I will say. because it's rooted in Eastern.

tradition, there's definitely a lot of. skepticism and opinions about it in the. West, opinions range from the efficacy. to the probability. I mean, people will. say things like, "It was okay. It got. rid of my headache for the day. It's. kind of comparable to like a deep tissue. massage." Other people will say, "It. cured my chronic pain, and that could. not be fixed by anything. I got surgery. and it didn't do anything, but. acupuncture saved my life." So, it's. like a vast range. I think the main. reason people don't believe in. acupuncture is because they hold it to a.

really high standard. Just like how most. medications and probably even surgeries. will not cure people of chronic pain or. ailments, acupuncture should be held. with the same regard. But I will argue. for acupuncture in the sense of out of. all the things that someone could. recommend to another person to help. remedy chronic pain, acupuncture. probably has the least side effects. versus opioids, >> versus painkillers. You know what I. mean? It seems like if you had to. recommend something that has like the.

least probability of harming someone to. just test out, acupuncture could be one. of those, provided that you go to a good. practitioner. A lot of people agree it's. not the worst thing to try out if you've. already tried out a lot of things. But. it's very interesting. A lot of. acupuncturists actually say they're. always the last resort. They say. patients will come in every day and the. acupuncture clinic is the last stop. before the surgeon before they're like, "Okay, if this doesn't work, I'm getting. surgery." Or it's the first stop right. after surgery cuz they're like, "Hey, so.

that surgery didn't do." They're usually. at a dead road. They've tried 12 other. things before this. They don't believe. in acupuncture, but here they are. They're like, "I've tried everything.". Sometimes it changes their lives. Sometimes it doesn't. And it does seem. like there is a growing trend for. acupuncture being used as fertility. treatment. I'm not a medical. professional, but recently I have been. listening what well when I was going in. my deep dive and I don't want to name. the people cuz I think all of them have. been in scandals but a lot of everyone's. in the files a lot of doctors bigname. doctors who had podcast oh I'm not. talking about that doctor I'm talking.

about like Andrew Huberman he was not in. the files but I don't know there was. something with him I think whatever he. was also even talking about how there. have been recent studies that do show a. strong link between acupuncture and. fertility. >> there are now a lot of data supporting. the idea that acupuncture of all things. can be very beneficial for improving. both female and male fertility and. should a woman get pregnant for. improving the quality of outcomes that. is the likelihood that there will be a. successful pregnancy that is carried to.

term not premature and so on and so. forth. >> So a lot of western doctors are like. okay we were wrong like this is not some. voodoo Chinese we thought it was like. maybe it actually works. There have been. recent studies funded by the National. Institute of Health that show links. between acupuncture and hormone health. So they say that acupuncture helps with. blood flow, which in turn helps with the. health of the ovaries. Additionally, on. the male side, apparently there are a. lot of clinical studies that have shown. that acupuncture can help with sperm.

quality and quantity. But they don't. stick it where you think they'll stick. it. So you don't have to freak out. You. can just go. You'll have a good time. One acupuncturist website reads, "Ultrath thin acupuncture needles will. be applied to specific points in the. body, usually like near the pelvic area, but not there, and it reduces stress, balances hormones, improves blood flow, and you're not supposed to do this. before IVF." So, they're not saying this. is IVF replacement. They're saying. actually the best time to do acupuncture. for fertility is 3 months before your.

IVF round. >> because it helps blood flow, helps the. health of your eggs, the quantity of the. sperm. So like 3 months before you're. trying to conceive or before IVF and it. really helps increase your probability. is the belief out there. And it's. interesting because acupuncture, they. alternate on the different weeks of the. menstrual cycle. So they're very in tune. with the hormones. It's not just like, "Hey woman, sit down." It's like, "Oh, when was your last period? Okay, now.

let's fine-tune with what we think the. body needs depending on the cycle. phase." John Takahara was an. acupuncturist that had success in. fertility treatments. It has been. reported that many of his clients came. to see him with fertility concerns and. they were able to conceive after seeing. him. So, why would someone want to kill. someone like John Takuhara who is out. here helping people create families? When the authorities get to the. acupuncture clinic, the first thing they. do is comb through the office and later. all the security cameras outside.

There's no cameras inside the office, but there's some street level cameras. from the nearby businesses. And they. just keep looking and there's nothing. crazy going on. It's a normal day. There's a lot of businesses, a lot of. people walking around, except this. [music] one person stands out to them. It's like a weird person. They keep. seeing him walking in circles around the. block and it's not like they're standing. and pacing in front of the clinic, but. their movements just seem unnatural. So, a few things stand out. The weather in. Hawaii, January, really warm, high of.

79. Damn. >> This person is wearing an all black. outfit, long black pants, long black. jacket, carrying one of those brown. paper shopping bags from a grocery. store, and a big white bucket hat that. covers their entire face. You can't see. the person's face. You can't even tell. if this person is a man or a woman. You. can just tell they're weird. They first. appear on cameras a few blocks away from. John's clinic. They're walking with. determination for a good chunk of the. way. Where they're going, we don't know. yet, but it seems like they know. But. the moment that they're in front of. John's office, [music] there's this.

weird moment where they like turn around. and then walk a few paces away from the. office and then turn back around and. walk towards the office once more. >> Like they can decide where to go, what. to do. Mhm. But they were walking with. determination all the other times and. then suddenly they're like, "Uh, maybe I. should turn around. Maybe I shouldn't. turn around.". >> Yeah. Yeah. Is his face showing at all. on in the camera? >> No. No face. They're presumably inside.

the clinic for 48 seconds. That's what. the police have put out where it is. believed that Jon is killed and. ambushed. There's no signs of a fight. And it seems like whoever this was took. Jon completely by surprise. I don't know. what they would have done if John was. with a patient, but they just walk out. of the clinic 48 seconds later and then. walk away. There are two interesting. moments that are captured when they walk. off. First, there's this seemingly. anxious moment. So, the whole way that. they're going towards the clinic, they're determined, their fast, brisk.

walk, and then all of a sudden they. U-turn and then you turn it back and. then they enter the clinic. 48 seconds. later, they walk back out, same walk. They seem casual and then they have this. anxious moment where they open up the. brown grocery bag and then look, you. know, kind of it's like when you walk. through the airport and you randomly. have a moment of panic and you zip open. your bag and you're like, "Oh, okay. Yeah, my passport is exactly where I saw. it 2 seconds ago, but then you do it. again and again and again." It's kind of. like that. It doesn't look like, "Oh, let me just casually open this bag and. see if I bought my sour candy.".

>> He's like, "Open it. Oh, my gun is. >> still here.". >> Yes, that's the It looks like that. And. more importantly, there is this moment. when this individual in question is. walking across the street and the wind. hits. It's like the gentlest blow of. wind and the white bucket hat flies off. the person's head and lands directly in. the middle of the street and they don't. stop. They don't stop. They don't pick. it up. They don't U-turn later. They. just keep walking. Their hat is on the. ground getting run over by cars. It's.

almost like they don't feel the hat. flying off of them. But how do you not. feel your bucket hat blowing off in the. wind? >> So, is his face out there then? >> Well, how do we know it's him? Because. underneath there's long hair. But that. long hair, police believe might be a. wig. >> Like your your hair long? >> A little bit shorter. Mine's a little. long, but a little shorter. >> And what color? >> Blondish, but it's very clear. It's like.

a wig. It looks like it's like long but. tied. kind of tied up. >> Okay. >> So, is it a woman wearing a wig? It is. it a man wearing a wig? But that wig. might be the reason that they don't feel. the hat blowing off. >> I see. >> But that that hat is the key to a lot of. questions. It could have this. individual's DNA. It could be a very. specific brand that only 89 people on. the island have ordered this hat online. Everything else at the crime scene. doesn't have a clear lead. This is the. closest that authorities are going to. get to whoever shot Jon in the head four.

times. [music] 10 days after John's. murder, they track down the white bucket. hat and it is now sitting [music] at the. very edge of a man without a home's. camp. >> That's crazy. >> Just like squeezed on in the side next. to his tent. He said, "Yeah, picked it. up on the street and wore it once and. then I never touched it again." This hat. is going to be a very, very big problem. in the murder trial for who murdered. John Takuhara. Eric and Joyce Thompson.

are high school sweethearts turned. millionaires. Pretty much their entire. lives they've been with each other and. now they have a daughter together. Eric. and Joyce have a daughter and a [music]. very strange postnub. Like you don't. just wake up from slumber one morning. and decide that life cannot go on. without the signing of a legal document. that forbids one of your party members. from seeing psychics. [music]. What the hell is happening inside the. Thompson home? Eric could tell that. something was off with Joyce. It's not.

as subtle as other couples. So, some. people say that the signs are barely. there. And when they come up, it's so. small that you try to explain it away. and laugh it off. Like when you're. driving in the car and your partner. turns to you [music] and they're like, "Oh, should we go there for dinner next. week?" You're like, "Where? That. restaurant that we just drove by? Don't. you love it?" I've literally never been. there my entire life. Sure you have. You. You said you liked it. I never said. that. Okay. It's weird. you've been. together for so long. But the only. explanation is like maybe he genuinely.

got confused [music] from like a. different restaurant even though none of. the other restaurants sound the same or. have similar locations or even types of. cuisines. But like maybe they're. stressed [music] out from work or. suddenly their phone is always on silent. when that's not their normal pattern and. they always turn it down face down on. the table no matter where they are. [music] or they've disconnected it from. all the cars. Suddenly their AirPlay is. not connected. [music] their Bluetooth. to the car is not connected, which is. really odd, but like maybe their phone. reset it and they just haven't had time.

to reconnect it. >> These are so specific. It's crazy. >> Someone said it was actually the strange. dropping of the word we. Like when we. would go and hang out with family and. friends, it was always like, "Oh, we. haven't thought about that. Like, we. should try that. We should go there one. day." But like suddenly that we is gone. Oh, I should try that. I haven't thought. about that. >> That's crazy. Are these like real things. that people picked up on? >> Yes. from their cheating partner. >> Yeah. All the small subtle signs. [music] But you know, these are very. small things that you don't pick up on.

until they pile up. For Eric, the. details were more in his face. He was on. a work trip and his wife Joyce is. constantly going to family dinners that. he's a part of because he's her husband. So like he's family, right? He's like. the father of their child. So he's. family, right? But then she would. explain to him, "Oh, it's just me and my. siblings and my side of the family, not. you. All of a sudden, you want to have. separated family. It doesn't make sense. But then during a work trip, Eric gets a. notification on their security cameras. in their multi-million dollar on the.

water mansion in Hawaii that there's. movement. Joyce is caught on the cameras. leaving the house alone. That means. their young daughter is inside the house. alone. And Joyce is leaving the house. alone. And she's gone for like 40. minutes, but where would she need to go? That is so important that she leaves. their young daughter. >> How old? >> A year old. >> A year old. Yeah, she's gone from the. house for about 40 minutes. >> What time is she leaving? >> This is like in the morning, so. presumably the baby is asleep. >> And he says, "I was just kind of.

scratching my head like where are you. going and where's our daughter?" When he. gets back from his work trip, Eric. confronts Joyce and they spend the. entire night fighting and the next day. she confesses that she's having an. affair. >> I was shocked. And then I said like, "Oh, is this was this with uh you know. your your uh your you know the people. you're having dinner with?" And she said. she said uh no it was with John. Tokahara. And then I was like who? And.

then she's [music] like she said you. know Dr. John and I was like it's like. [music] oh the the the massage guy. And. it's just like just didn't make any. sense. It's like. >> John Takahuara is the man that Joyce. went to to try and help her and Eric. conceive a child when she was struggling. with fertility. Then after giving birth. to their daughter, she started having. postpartum, or at least that's what I. think. Eric describes it as like she's. always wanted to be a mom, but then she. was feeling not like she wanted to be a.

mom, which sounds exactly like. postpartum. And she went back to seeing. him and clearly an affair started. How. did Eric feel about that? He says. >> just didn't make any sense. It's like. like not only like why, but it's like. like how like how logistically. like could like could this happen? Like. I had no like prior to that week there's. like zero suspicion like like I I would. have never expected. >> So John calls him the massage guy,

right? >> Eric calls John. >> Eric calls John. Is does John do massage. or only. >> just acupuncture? Oh, also I think it. was probably a tough spot because I. wonder if maybe perhaps Eric felt like. he's in a more financially stable point. in his life than John Takuhara and John. Takuhara is 10 years older than both of. them cuz him and Joyce met in high. school. >> Wait, who? John is 10 years older than. Eric. >> Eric and Joyce. Eric and Joyce are the. same age. Yeah. >> How old are they?

>> They're probably in their like when this. is unfolding late 20s, early 30s. >> What? They're young. They're young and. they're he's a millionaire. >> What do they do? >> He's the bathtub guy. So, if you are not. able-bodied or for more elderly people. in the island, he will specialize. bathtubs that are easy to get in and out. of so that they can take baths. independently. >> Uh-huh. >> Yeah. So, he does these custom bathtub. builds and he does really well for. himself. I mean, they live in like this. two and some change million dollar. house.

>> Wow. >> On the water. >> Wow. Okay. I was sad at first ju just. you know because my my suspicions were. were confirmed. Um I was pissed like. like like what like why why would why. why would this happen or you know like. what did I do to deserve this or or like. it was just really confusing. >> Eric says the next few months they're. just dedicated to rebuilding this trust. The postnump is obviously part of it and. according to Eric Joyce is the one that. suggested it to give Eric peace of mind.

She's like, "Hey, if you feel stressed. about it, like, we've been dating since. high school. I'll sign a postnump where. you get everything if we divorce.". >> You know, Joyce, I mean, she was she was. really great. I mean, I couldn't have. expected or asked for more of her. She. was I could tell she was fully. committed, you know, to making the. family work. Um, the affair was it was. in the rearview mirror more or less. It. was just more planning for our futures. >> What did they plan exactly? Because 2. weeks after the signing of the postnump, Jon is dead. The police go through John.

Takahara's phone and they find thousands. of messages. And if they follow each and. every lead that's in it, it's going to. lead them to at least three different. men. John Demarco. I'm just going to. call him DeMarco to not get confused. with the victim, John Takahara. Demarco. is a man who looks like he gets sunburnt. easily and owns way too many Hawaiian. shirts. But DeMarco has a lot of reason. to want John Takahara dead. John is. DeMarco's other John. He is the reason. that Demarco and his wife divorced.

DeMarco's ex-wife had gone to see John. the acupuncturist which started this. passionate affair that DeMarco. eventually found out about. And [music]. he's honest with detectives. He says I. was super pissed, but also I said kind. of like good riddance. >> He could have her. I knew I'd never be. able to trust her again cuz that was. like a huge part for for me as a person. I was just like good riddens. I called. him up and just said, you know, we. weren't yelling or anything. It was just. like I'm not like a fighting type. >> Demarco's ex-wife actually stays with.

John Takahara a while after their. divorce. And John becomes like a. secondary father figure to their kids. for a little bit. But that was like. years ago. So Demarco is like, "There's. no reason for me to want to kill John. Takahara. It's not like I was still with. my ex-wife. Why would I want to kill him?" At least. that's what he says. Is John still with the ex-wife then? >> No. >> Oh, they also broke up. >> Yeah. The police keep digging and that. lands them at the door of a man named. Daryl Fuja. Daryl is a man. You could.

safely assume that he's been scorned. Daryl's ex-girlfriend broke up with him. for John Takuhara. We don't know if. there was an affair, but she breaks up. with him and starts dating John. Takuhara. Then her and John break up and. she goes back to Daryl and they start. dating again. Okay. Then she breaks up. with him and was the current girlfriend. of John Takahara when he passed. H. >> So Daryl has been left by his girlfriend. TWW. They also share a child together.

And it is also believed that she went to. John Takahara for fertility treatments. as well and other acupuncture services. But he's been left by his girlfriend. twice because of John Takahara. And one. could maybe assume that she was having. an affair. We don't know. And it's not. like Daryl and his girlfriend are in. this casual fling. They have a house. They have a child together. But he. claims Daryl is like, "There is no bad. blood." None. None. None. None. None. None. The police are like, "Can we. search your phone?" He's like, "Okay.".

So, this is how I think the proceeding. conversation unfolded. Can we go through. your phone? Absolutely. But I should let. you know I just reset the entire phone. So, there's really nothing on there. I. reformatted it. I reset it. There's. nothing. That's crazy. >> Why would you do that? >> Yeah, >> why not? >> He literally says later during the. trial, he's like, I mean, why? It's not. weird to reformat your phone unless you. have something to hide. >> And then he immediately hates his words.

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>> [music]. >> Then there's Eric Thompson, the bathtub. guy. Okay, this is how they figure out. Police find out that John has an. Instagram account that only has one. follower. And this one follower's name. is Little Squeeze Me and there are. messages, DMs between the two of them. And when authorities track down the. owner of that Instagram account, they. find that it belongs to Joyce Thompson. [music] Joyce Thompson is Eric. Thompson's wife and she's having an. affair with John Takahuara. The affair. lasted 2 months, which seems like a.

short amount of time. Not that cheating. is judged by the scale of duration, but. they were connected very quickly. There's at least 5,600 messages between. the two of them. John the acupuncturist. and Joyce, the wife, >> within the span of one month. That's. just one of the two months that they. were having an affair. There are. messages from July where they seem to. end things. Joyce tells Jon that her. husband, Eric, found out and that she. doesn't want to end things [music] with. Eric. She doesn't want to be with John. John was actually ready for a committed.

relationship. He was telling her like, "If you leave your husband, like, I want. to be committed." But she said, "I'm not. going to leave my husband.". >> But he had a girlfriend, too. >> He did not at Well, we don't know if he. was seeing her at the same time or like. he saw her right after because after. they end the affair, there's like 9. months before he dies. Okay. Not 9. months, 6 months. He passes away. January. >> Oh, okay. Interesting. So during that. six-month period, nothing is happening and then at the end.

of the six month, she offered to do a. postnump. >> Mhm. >> And then he died. >> Yeah. They signed. >> So there's a like a cooling period of 6. months of nothing is happening. >> But like I don't know if she offered the. postnump. near towards January or towards July. I. do know that probably the drafting of it. would take a long time since they've. been together since high school. I. wonder if there's a lot of assets and. they have a successful business. >> I don't know. I actually don't know.

>> how long that would take, but maybe not. 6 months. Lawyers are pretty quick. >> Yeah. >> And so, as she's breaking up with him, John is asking if he can still keep in. contact through her siblings. And she's. like, "No, no contact. It's just too. much." Interestingly enough, one month. later in August, there's one last phone. call, a FaceTime from Joyce, the wife to. John the Acupuncturist, and he doesn't. pick up. By all appearances, one could. imagine that their affair is over. The. relationship is done. And there's a ton.

of photos that were exchanged during. that affair. Intimate photos, lots of. messages. They did say things like, "I. love you." to each other. Yeah. And the whole thing is made. trickier by the fact that Joyce and. Eric, they first bring Jon into their. lives when she's trying to get pregnant. Joyce had suffered a miscarriage. Her. friend recommends her to go see John, the acupuncturist, and she gets pregnant. soon after, successfully gives birth, and then she's struggling with. postpartum. And then she goes to see Jon.

again, and that's when the affair. starts. Some people think that perhaps. it's easier for Eric, the husband, to. forgive Joyce. knowing that she was. dealing with postpartum, like maybe in. his mind, this is his high school. sweetheart. She's never done anything. like this before and she had this. experience where all of her brain. chemicals and her hormones are off. balance and she's in this vulnerable. space. And I'm not the one justifying. it, but some netizens are saying maybe. he could forgive her because of all of. those reasons. And he also saw a fault.

in himself perhaps because the way that. he initially described what was going on. with Joyce after giving birth. It seemed. like maybe he did not understand. postpartum. [music]. He just seemed confused like you've. always wanted to be a mom so now you're. a mom. Why aren't you happy? Like that. was his confusion. >> Mhm. >> So maybe because would Eric really kill. John Takahara 9 months after the affair. is already over. Besides, that night. that Jon was killed, Eric claims that he. has an alibi. He was busy dumping.

construction material in his truck. [snorts] And are we sure that these are. the only leads? What about the backpack? Right next to John Takahara's body was a. backpack. And inside of it is a bundle. of cash, $4,000 in cash wrapped in a. piece of paper that has [music] the word. herbs written on there. What does that. mean? And what about the psychic? [music] Psychics have a long history of. reading relationships and sometimes. sending people off into fits of. paranoia. They will tell you how your.

relationships will go based off of your. reading. This psychic that Joyce. apparently went to encouraged her to. have an affair with John Takahara told. her it's the right thing to do. >> That's insane. >> At least that's what Joyce claims. [music]. But I'm not sure if any of them. predicted though that right around Eric. and Joyce's wedding anniversary, Eric. Thompson would be arrested for murdering. [music]. John Takahhara. The evidence against Eric Thompson is. aggressively thin. And that's not to say. that I don't personally think that he's.

guilty or that he did not do this, just. that the evidence itself is thin. There. are really only a few elements. The. truck, the hat, the fire. Let's start. with the truck. A white Chevrolet. Silverado pickup truck is seen driving. in circles around the business just. minutes before Jon is killed. Authorities believe that this is a 2014. to 2016 pickup truck. They find 53. vehicles registered in that area with. that same pickup truck manufactured in. that time frame. They talked to 52 of. the owners and all of them have alibis.

and only one of them is connected to. anyone that has any connection with John. Takuhara [music] and that is Eric Tonsa. Furthermore, an odd detail is Eric would. always have this silver tool box on the. back of his truck. It's like a huge. trunk. Do you know what I'm talking. about? Some pickup trucks like near the. near where the passengers sit, but on. the truck there's this huge silver box. >> Like the toolbox. >> Yeah. It's like a toolbox that stays on. there. And he always had it on there. And his neighbors Ring cameras caught. him pulling out the day before John.

Takahara is killed. That toolbox is. gone. He took it off. Why did he take it. off? He says it was to load construction. equipment, but the authorities are like, "We never saw you ever take it off.". >> Yeah. >> Then that car is seen driving around. We. don't have like the exact license plate. matchup, so it's hard to confirm nail on. the head that that's him, but that's. what authorities believe. Then there's. the figure in the white bucket hat. Why. do people think that this random person. walking around is a person of interest. compared to everybody else? Well, they.

just look nervous. It seems like they. walked in the direction of the. acupuncture clinic and then they walked. away after 48 seconds. It seems like. this is the killer, right? This is the. only way that makes sense. Nobody else. entered the clinic. It's got to be the. white bucket hat. But how do we know. that this white bucket hat is Eric. Thompson? There is a video of the white. bucket hat walking and he swings his. right arm a lot. >> Okay. >> Then there's a video of Eric walking and. he swings his right arm a lot. It sounds. super circumstantial, but the. authorities will say it's something that. you can't even try to fix. For example,

in the CIA, it's reported that. operatives when they go undercover and. they work in a in environments where. they can't give away their gate, they. will put a small piece of gravel in only. one shoe to alter how they walk because. it's something that you can't even think. about fixing so constantly. And since. we're listing out all the strange. things, it does get worse. After Eric. gets home for about 5 minutes, his. backyard is all lit up. The neighbor's. camera, it's like orange. He's burning. something. Later during the police. search, they find a bucket in a. wheelbarrow that shows something was.

burnt in there. Police argue that he's. getting rid of the murder weapon, which. they believe is a ghost gun, like a 3D. printed gun, because they haven't been. able to find this murder weapon. >> Crazy. >> He's cleaning up the crime scene. Eric. argues he was lighting up tiki torches. cuz he was out there with his daughter. and there's a bunch of bugs. So, he's. lighting up tiki torches. Within a few hours, Eric leaves the. house again. And this time his white. pickup truck has a steel toolbox back on. there like it always has. And he was. like, "Oh yeah, I was going out for more. work.".

>> But allegedly, one of the messages. between Joyce and John, the. acupuncturist, Joyce is warning him that. she cannot be with him. She cannot leave. her husband. She cannot leave their. daughter. And also, Eric might kill you. >> Actually warning him that Eric is going. to kill him or is like, "Oh no, if he. finds out he's going to kill you.". >> We don't know. Others are defending. Eric. They say that video of the white. bucket hat, we don't even know if that's. a man or a woman. How can you say it's. Eric Thompson? When the hat blows off,

there's a wig. But that so-called wig is. never found. >> The wig is burned. That's very easy to. burn, isn't it? >> But wouldn't there be strong smells? >> I mean, if he they live in a big. waterfront house, there's like so much. space. >> But others have resorted to victim. blaming. Some say that an acupuncturist. is actually kind of like a physician. A. physician holds immense power. This is. an online comment. The inherent trust. placed in them by patients who are often.

vulnerable or in distrust. This creates. a profound imbalance of power where. genuine consent becomes murky and the. risk of exploitation is high. It's not. just unprofessional. It's a cause for. licensed revocation in most states. One. attorney who analyzed the case writes, "Despite specializing in fertility. treatments, a field that demands the. highest level of professional. boundaries, Mr. Toahara engaged in. relationships with three different. patients, a fact confirmed an. uncontested and open court. It's hard to. grasp how such clear violations were. overlooked. An honest reckoning might.

have prevented a tragic ending. But. also, I don't know if that's rights to. kill anybody, but Eric and his family. would say that Eric would not kill Jon. That is not in his nature. And let's say. in some crazy world he did, this would. not have been the time. They say Eric. and Joyce were actually making amends. after the affair. They were not. fighting. They were actually using it to. reflect with Eric realizing that he was. spending too much time working and not. spending enough time with his young. family that he desperately wanted so. badly. But I don't know. That's what.

family is saying. They're saying 6. months after the affair ended, what. motive would Eric have? He has a good. heart, you know, cuz he's always um. compassionate. He's caring and he. always, you know, he's always thoughtful. of other people, especially of me. >> Do you consider Eric to be a threat to. our community? >> Oh, no, not at all. Of course not. No, not a threat. No, he's a good boy.

>> Regardless, Eric Thompson [music] is. charged. they're going to go ahead with. the trial and he is able to post a $1. million bond and gets released from jail. 3 hours after being charged. There are a. few ways a lot of defense attorneys. would have gone about arguments in. court. The first could have been it's a. crime of passion. You're in severe. emotional distress is another one. But. the problem is the murder happens 6. months after the affair ends. That's not. a crime of passion. It's not like you. walk in and catch a partner cheating and. then perhaps you could try and argue. that it's a crime of passion. And then. as for the emotional distress, other.

legal experts argue you can't just argue. that you're angry and sad and upset that. your wife is cheating. You have to have. reached a severe mental capacity that. lessens your faculties and causes you to. commit a crime. It's very difficult to. argue. So Eric's attorneys go for the. third option, which is just straight up, your honor, my client didn't do it. He. didn't do it. In fact, there could be a. ton of other parties that just had more. motive. The third party defense. And. that is why you have DeMarco and Daryl.

brought in by the prosecutors to testify. on the stand. So they want to rule out. Eric Thompson being able to use that as. any sort of defense. And the prosecutors. argue throughout the trial that Eric. Thompson is a perfectionist [music] and. Joyce is no longer seeing her affair. partner John, but he will always be a. stain, [music] a potential in their. marriage. He would have to be gone in. order for them to move on. Just look at. the way he handles the affair. The. prosecutors argue he has her sign a. postnump agreement. I mean, the defense.

argues it was Joyce's idea, but the. prosecutors argue but they still signed. it and he made her tell their families. what she did and she was forbidden from. being alone with her siblings [music]. because her siblings covered for her and. helped her cheat, >> which I mean some people say is not that. crazy of a thing. I mean, that's. >> some people say it's crazy because if. you're forbidding your partner from. seeing their siblings alone, then you. might as well just divorce at that point. because like where is the trust? The. prosecutors further argue even if it is.

true that Joyce is the one that came up. with this post dump to go through with. it is incredibly controlling. She cannot. leave no matter what unless she's ready. to lose everything, including her child. If you're really not a controlling. person, would you not just not sign it. and try to make your marriage work? And. yes, while the affair was done 6 months. before the murder, one of the biggest. things in the postnump is that Joyce was. not allowed to ever see a psychic again. because the psychic is the one that. allegedly told her to have an affair. And she seems like someone who would. absolutely listen to everything her.

psychic says. Well, within the 12 days. after signing the postnump [music] and. before John Takahhara is murdered, she. goes and sees a psychic. Prosecutor. [music] is putting the question in. people's minds. Did that trigger Eric? Did he realize that she's clearly not. going to listen to the postnup? So that. means she could easily just rekindle an. affair with John Takahara. >> Thought she was done with psychics and. then I come to find out that she was. seeking [music] another one.

>> So you still didn't trust your wife in. December of 2021? >> Um. during that psychic incident? Yes. And. the night that John Takahara is killed, Eric says that he's out dumping bricks. Yeah. Well, the prosecutors, they go to. the dump site, they even bring in during. the trial, the guy that works there, and. they're like, "Do you guys take bricks?". "No.". But the defense is like, "Well, do you. even check what everyone's bringing?". And he's like, "No, but it's not enough." You know, the. prosecutors argue in their statement,

"48 seconds is what it took for Eric. Thompson to kill John Takahara." The. defense argues Eric is innocent. This. none of this makes sense. He has a. similar truck. He has a similar walk to. the guy. Everything is similar, similar, similar. But there's no concrete. evidence. [music]. >> Eric did not kill John Tokahara. And. there will not be any evidence of it. [music]. I strike that there will be massive. reasonable doubt. >> They also go on to victim blame the.

defense. They say, "Look at John. He's. talking to so many women. So many people. have motive." which one person close to. John Takahara hated that and says he was. not a home wrecker. He was a nice guy. I. mean, he gives back to his community. Like for high school, if you're. participating in a sport and you're in a. medical field, guess what? You get a. $2,000 scholarship from John Takahara. Like, that's the type of guy he is. The. defense argues, yeah, he's that, but. also someone who just like goes after. married women. I mean, one thing can be. true, but doesn't mean anyone should be. justified in murder. I guess the way.

that they're trying to say it though is. that no, he has lots of suspects, but. the police have only zeroed in on our. client. >> They're not looking at all the other. potential scorned men out there. They're. only busy about this one. That's what. they're arguing. >> That John Tokuhara had a track record of. cheating [snorts] with beingcome. becoming involved with women who were in. relationships. 2500 messages with another woman.

Okay, we didn't follow up on that one. Okay, we didn't follow up on the woman. he the messages he ghosted. We didn't follow up on the gambling. post. The detectives told witnesses. specifically John was not involved in a. gambling. So, the money they're trying. to pin it on gambling like cuz the. $4,000 in the backpack, the defense is. like, "Well, he also posted about. gambling, so maybe he was gambling and. he owed someone money." But I mean, the.

way it said herbs on there, I kind of. wonder if he was just buying herbs for. traditional medicine. >> Yeah. So, those are his money, just left. it, right? Okay. >> And the defense argues that the. prosecutor's narrative about Eric. Thompson being this controlling guy, it's weird. They say no one forced his. wife to sign this postnump. They put. Eric up on the stand and Eric says, "We've been together for so long. She. knew that I was never going to leave her. and she knew that she was never going to. cheat again." So, it was just like,

"Hey, look, I'll prove it to you." So, it was more of like a symbolic thing. they're trying to argue than like a real. thing, especially because it probably. wouldn't hold up in court anyway. >> Where is the wife during the trial? She. is sitting right behind Eric Thompson. supporting him the whole way through. She chooses not to testify, but she is. there every day of court, every day of. trial for both trials because the first. trial ends up as a mistrial. >> with three jurors being hung.

>> Huh. Because they couldn't come to. >> No. >> the Wow. >> Also, the fire burned in the backyard. Those are from Tiki Torches. They bring. in a fire expert who testifies from the. video of the fire that could potentially. depict tiki torches. Like there's no way. to say what that fire is from. As for. the wheelbarrow with the bucket of. melted stuff in there, he says that he. uses it to melt metal for work projects. because that's what he does for work. >> Also, they argue that none of this. footage makes sense. So, they say that.

the white bucket hat man enters the. building for 48 seconds and then he. leaves and John Takahara is presumably. dead at that point. So, this man. allegedly enters the building at 6:16. p.m. 48 seconds and then leaves. But. there was activity. John's phone was. unlocked at 6:18 p.m. >> What does that mean? >> So, they're like, "Okay, but he leaves. 48 seconds after." Who unlocked John. Takahhara's phone is what the defense is. asking. >> Yeah. Who did? >> It wasn't John. It wasn't anybody else.

So, that means they're just saying, "We. don't know." But it seems like your. timeline is wrong. >> Yeah. The defense argues like if you can't. even get that correct, what else are you. not getting correct? The prosecutors are. arguing, okay, well, it could have been. like 66 that was about to be 617. >> And like, you know, everyone is arguing. lots of different things. >> John helps with fertility through. >> acupuncture, right? >> I know where you're going with this. Is. there any discussion of the kid the with.

John and during the trial during. >> the re investigation? >> The authorities seem really evasive. about it for some reason, but there is. some netizen speculation that perhaps. the motive that Eric Thompson had to. want John Takuharo dead. >> could be that maybe there was some. questioning of the paternity of their. daughter. >> Mhm. of who the dad is for their. daughter because Joyce went to go see.

John Takahara before she got pregnant. >> and then got pregnant and then. afterwards for postpartum. But I don't. know the authorities just like won't. touch it. I don't know if it's the fact. that they disproved it, which I don't. know why they wouldn't outright come out. and just put that theory to rest, >> but they just won't get that involved. >> Every nison has their own theory for why. authorities don't want to get it. involved. Some people believe that it's. because this happened in W Pahu, which.

is a very small, tight-knit community, and they don't want these types of. allegations and theories circulating, which then wouldn't it be very easy to. do a paternity test and shut it down? >> So, this is like a thing that many. people are discussing, right? Not not. just me. Okay. >> No, this is like online. It's definitely. uh not really so much in the trial. And. then you have some people saying, "Well, maybe it's not a great thing to touch. because who knows what other doors it. could open." Like maybe that's a fear of. this tight-knit community and you have.

multiple people who were able to. successfully conceive. Not that I'm. saying that anything strange or. >> unruly happened. >> But like maybe it's just something that. you don't even want to touch because you. don't even know what's going to happen. once you start touching it. >> Right. But on Okay. to talk about the. other side then like the prosecutor. >> Mhm. >> I would think they will probably want to. test it and because that will give the. biggest motive for Eric to commit such a.

crime, right? If they can prove that. >> Mhm. >> Wouldn't you think that's something that. they will really try to prove? >> But I also wonder with the type of. evidence they have if this could also be. something that benefits Eric. Don't. think about like you and me in a jury. pool, but think about like a jury pool. of random people. There's already so. much victim blaming. There's already so. many people who believe. >> that it's like, oh well, if you are.

going after vulnerable women who are. just desperately trying to start a. family. >> That's so interesting. What? >> So, like there could be a way that this. could be beneficial for Eric Thompson. Or it could just be that it's not true. Or it could just be that like maybe the. kids don't have to know or be involved. in something that adults have done. >> I don't know. >> It's just not talked about at all. >> It's not talked about. And so all. netizens can do is speculate. And. speculations are never great. Right. So. it's like but how can you not when it's.

not talked about when it's not really. uncovered during the trial, >> right? Okay. >> So Eric Thompson, he testifies and he. just says like, "I was pissed. I was. really disappointed about the affair. was really disappointed. Um I mean it. just didn't make sense that like. John helped us through the pregnancy and. like I mean what I I just didn't. understand what why he would do that. >> The only thing that they really have on. him is the motive. >> And I'm not saying like he's innocent.

That's the only thing they have on him. I'm just saying like clear cut and dry. There's no argument for the motive. There's lots of arguments for the truck. and the white hat and the fire. and he. says, "I mean, it just didn't make sense. that John helped us through the. pregnancy." [music] And I mean, I just. didn't understand why he would do that. if later he's just going to blow it up. The first couple days I was thinking. about calling him, chewing him out, but. then I came to the realization that I. don't think I could have said anything. to make things better. And I don't think. I could get him to say sorry or feel. bad. I mean, what's the point? I mean, I. think he obviously didn't care about.

what I thought or my family. So, I mean, I just realized there's no point. >> I don't think I could get him to say. sorry or feel bad. I mean, what's what's. the point, you know? >> So, he says like there's no point in me. confronting him, talking to him or. anything. And as for his wife, she he. says, I think she was truly sorry for. it. She made the effort. She never. talked to John again. >> I came to the realization that, you. know, the the the problem was with me. and Joyce. It wasn't. I mean, she cut him off and he wasn't he.

was he was a non-factor. After that, I. realized I was kind of ne neglecting. her. Sometimes she um [snorts]. uh. yeah, I think I I was taking her for. granted sometimes. >> Some people liked his testimony, others. didn't. Some people thought that he was. very evasive and that he kind of changed. his sentiment a few times here and. there, but like nothing explosive. He. wasn't impeached on anything too crazy. Others say that he just had like this. weird energy where he was trying to. downplay it and like trying not to seem.

upset about the affair. So, it's really. just how you read the micro expressions. of someone on the stand. One netizen. writes, "Unpopular opinion, the husband. shouldn't serve time." If he is an. otherwise lawful citizen and a good. spouse, how many times in the past has. an affair partner meddled in another's. marriage and got killed? It's a. well-known fact that you risk your own. well-being when you engage in an affair. with someone who is in an exclusive. monogous relationship. If you are a. cheating spouse or the affair partner. and you decide to carry out your urges. to interfere in someone else's love. life, then you must be ready for the.

consequences no matter how minuscule or. major. Someone argues back, "So, you're. pro murder? Would another form of. punishment not fulfill your seeming. bloodlust?" Another person writes, "Absolutely, John doesn't deserve to. die, but he treated with multiple women. He had an MO, befriend clients that are. women, have intimate relations with them. when they're vulnerable, and in many. cases ghost them when he was done. It. was bound to catch up with him. And. unfortunately for him, it did. He effed. around too many times and found out he. messed with a woman whose husband was. nuts. Karma was not a [ __ ] this time. It was an angry husband. To which.

someone responds, "Dating a married. woman means you deserve to die. Thank. god people like you aren't doing policy. work." And then I think that one thing. that really helped Eric's case was. actually the other two husbands that. testified. I think the prosecutors had. to bring them in to show, hey, these are. not third parties that had motive. We. already investigated them. They have no, you know, they're good. They're clear. The defense, if we don't bring them in, they're going to try to build them up as. like these crazy monsters behind the. scenes that could have done it. But. like, look at them. They're fine.

They're fine people. I don't know if. that's exactly what happened when they. testified. I think one thing it could. have shown to the jurors a pattern. Again, I'm not saying that, but like it. could have been interpreted that way. And then the second thing is um one of. them, Daryl, Daryl is crazy. Daryl's on. the stand and he like clearly doesn't. want to be there and he's very angry. about it. >> These are all like recorded, right? >> Yeah. And he's just like, "This is. ridiculous. I don't know why I'm here.". I mean, like I know why I'm here, but. like I don't want to be here. Like this. is so not cool. Why am I here?

>> How do you feel about having to testify. in this case. >> again? Testify again. I'm not happy. about it. >> Why not? >> Because. you have nothing to do with it. >> Like that's his energy the whole time. And then he's like, I don't think it's. weird to format your phone unless you. have something to hide. Not that I had anything to hide or. anything like that. And it's just like a. whole thing. And then there's a whole. problem with the DNA. The police state. that they took a sample from the inside. top of the white bucket hat and they.

claimed that it matches Eric Thompson. That is the strongest piece of evidence. by far that Eric Thompson has to the. crime, but that gets thrown out. The FBI. does an audit of the Hawaii Police. Department's procedures unrelated to. this case and they state that HPD has. not been using validated methods for DNA. testing. Validation is very important. So you have to make sure whatever tools. and softwares and method and instruments. that you're using is validated that it. produces precise and accurate results. before you start using such devices and. mechanisms in DNA testing. Okay, think.

about it like this. The weight of. something is very important. You get a. scale to weigh this object, but you. never test the scale with any other. objects or another scale to make sure. that the weight is proper. But you just. take the first number it spits out and. you trust it with your life. >> That's so crazy. How what in the odds? >> So that's what HPD was doing with DNA. testing and it was really bad cuz it's a. double-edged sword, which means this. type of testing puts innocent people in. jail, but it also lets guilty people go.

free, >> right? who then puts both the hat, right? You know, something like this, you know, the hat, both the hat and this. glove inside a cellophane envelope. So, tell me, is that not is that not. contamination? >> There's also no phone phone cell towers. placing Eric Thompson at the scene of. the crime. Like, there was really not a. lot. And that is why the very first. trial ends with a mistrial. Not an.

acquitt, but a mistrial. They decide to. go through with the second trial and. this time the juror comes back guilty, but even that people are concerned. about. There seems to be an appeal that. is going to be in process, but one of. the jurors did an interview after the. fact and they were like, "Yeah, he. probably did it.". >> And people were saying, "Yeah, probably. is not good enough.". >> Oh,

>> yeah. The part that's very sad is like. in this case he probably did it, right? But in other cases, maybe they didn't do. it. Maybe there's not enough evidence. for sure. It's hard for John Takahara's. family to hear comments like this. because it's not about John Takahara. It's more so about the justice system, but I'm sure it feels targeted. For example, one comment reads, "He. absolutely had the most motive. However, the evidence was circumstantial and the. video recordings place him in the area,

but not necessarily in the business. And. we don't even know if that's him in the. white bucket hat. I don't know every. single detail, but the dude was very. close to getting away with it, which is. crazy. Others say, "I personally think. this is the comment. No one has clean. hands. Everyone was damaged. No one had. any maturity to think about how greatly. others would be affected. I feel the. worst for the child." Some people feel. angry that Joyce Thompson is not facing. any consequences. She did the worst. thing initially. She's the one that had. the affair. >> John was likely not dating anyone, had.

no obligations to anyone, and like, yes, I think that objectively and. emotionally, we can feel some type of. way about the other party in a marriage. We can also feel some type of way about. him being the acupuncturist and her. being the patient. We can have all of. those feelings, but in terms of. relationship wise, she probably did the. worst thing, which is cheat on her. husband. and then he ends up dead and. now he's going to prison for life. There. is possibility of parole though, so. that's not opted out. But a lot of.

people have sentiments about that. Others have sentiments about like some. people were saying some crazy things of. like he should have just killed his wife. instead of John. Like it's some crazy a. lot of people had opinions and they were. not afraid to list them out online about. this case. Others are just saying it's. just weird. He probably did it, but it's. supposed to be beyond a reasonable. doubt. The prosecution has to prove. beyond a reasonable doubt. In the first. trial, the jurors couldn't even decide. if it was a man or a woman in the white. bucket hat. Some jurors also don't know.

what Joyce knows about any of this. So, like, let's say Eric, Joyce's husband, did kill John. Did Joyce know and she's. now supporting her husband because of. guilt, obligation, fear, or is she. sitting there like, "My husband never. wears white bucket hats. It's totally. not him." Like, what what is it? >> Right? During the sentencing, many of. John's family and friends were able to. give impact statements [music] for the. judge to consider. And a lot of them. were pointedly towards Eric, saying, "You will [music] sit in a cell in a. 6x10 jail cell every day and have.

nothing but time to think, and you. deserve that. You took someone's life.". John's sister states, "It is the day our. lives forever changed. [music] It is the. day our hearts broke down and it is the. day true evil showed its face. Brutally. ripped from this [music] world, taken. from us and left to be found by mom. Which by the way, um, Lily Takahara, John's mom, she was there every day. She. testified. and she held her composure and she was. Yeah. And she was the one that found. [music] John.

>> The sister continues, "Over the last 3. years, I have asked myself the same. question over and over. How did Eric. Thompson think that committing such a. monstrous and senseless crime would. solve his problems? [music] His. heartless and soulless disregard for. human life has managed to destroy many, many lives. Another one of John's. closest [music] friends states, "Joyce. will now have to pick up the pieces for. the destruction both of you have created. and raise her daughter without a dad. She will one day have to explain to her. daughter what caused her dad to kill. someone." As for Eric, he will have to.

serve at least 15 years before he's. considered eligible for parole. >> [music]. >> And with that, that is where I leave you. with this case. Who do you think did it? I will say most netizens do think it's. Eric Thompson. And I will say most. netizens, like there are some weird. people who are victim blaming John. Takahhara. I think that there can be more. constructive conversations around being. an acupuncturist and what it could mean. ethically in not sleeping or having.

affairs with clients. But I think when. it just comes from like a well hefted. around and found out I think that's an. unproductive weird victim blaming. conversation to have. And even so I do. see a lot of nizens saying even though. he is an acupuncturist who maybe have. violated some ethical rules of being. with a client. Does that mean that you. can commit the worst ethical rule of not. killing someone? So there's a lot of. conversations happening online. What are. your thoughts about this case? Let me. know in the comments and I'll see you in.

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