Teen Girl Missing On Cruise Found Under Mattress & Main Suspect Is 16 Yr Old “Obsessed” Step Brother

Bada bing, bada boom. >> The guy in the bright red tomato. Hawaiian shirt and a 20 foot long. shipping container filled with cocaine. are probably headed to the same exact. place. It's a place called Port Miami. Welcome to this tiny floating piece of. land in Miami, Florida, where half of it. is like a giant international airport, but instead of airplanes, you have mega. liners, cruise ships ushering passengers.

on and off their cruises, making sure. that they go through security, immigrations, customs, and then on the. other side, you've got massive ships. filled with shipping containers. Sometimes, a lot of times, millions of. dollars of illicit drugs being smuggled. into South Florida to the point where. the vice admiral of the Coast Guard. based in Miami has stated in public. messages to the cartels, "We own the. sea, not you. We will find you. We will. hunt you before you harm anyone on our. shores." That coupled with the fact that.

it is one of the many busiest shipping. ports in the United States, it's not. going to be the most shocking thing when. you see FBI agents, federal agents in. Port Miami. I mean, they've also. nicknamed Port Miami the cruise capital. of the world. In 2025, the Port Miami. saw, I believe, close to 8.6 million. cruise passengers coming in and out of. the port. It is one of the few cruise. terminals that can handle multiple mega. ships at once. I think they can. accommodate 12 vessels at once, which. [music] sounds not like a lot, right?

But then you realize that these mega. cruise ships are essentially. skyscrapers. Lay them down on their side. and there's just 12 skyscrapers from New. York City lined up in the water, taking. you out to an all you can eat buffet out. on the deep sea. And it's really. cutthroat. They have something called. the turnaround day. It's when a cruise. ship disembarks one set of passengers, restocks, and embarks a new set of. passengers within the span of 8 to 12. hours. And then sometimes out of the 12. megaliner spots that they have open,

there could be like half of them that. are doing a disembark day. >> So you've got 8 to 12 hours to get. everybody off the ship, that alone can. take 3 to 5 hours. Each ship, some of. these big ones, they have 4,000 people. on there, 4,000 passengers. That's not. including crew. >> Wow. There would be about 70 to 80. massive truck trailers pulled up to the. terminal to deliver provisions for the. next trip. Sometimes you see like 30,000. lbs of just meat going into one ship. Near the end of November this year,

there was one point where 10 ships were. docked simultaneously and they had more. than 320 trucks coming in to help. restock supplies for these cruise ships. But because of how many cruises take. place daily and just the sheer logistics. of being out in the water with as many. good backup plans as a major corporation. would have, which is never a lot. A lot. of things go wrong on a cruise. And a. lot of the times it's the cruise's. fault. And that's like a very bold. statement. It's merely an opinion. And.

by cruise, I don't mean the crew. I mean. the corporation, like the poop cruise. The Carnival cruise takes off. It's the. Carnival Triumph. And there it's a 4,100. passenger type ship. So there's a lot of. people on board. This is their vacation. A fire breaks out in the mechanical. room. All electrical systems are down, which means no Wi-Fi, no entertainment, no AC, no filtered air pumping through. generously. No heater. But the most. prevalent malfunction is the fact that. there are no working toilets anywhere on.

the ship. Passengers toilets are just. buckets at this point until they start. overflowing. This is the one that. happened like last year or the year. before. >> Yeah, a few years ago. There was a. documentary that was released on. Netflix. Yes. >> So, I mean, they turned from poop. buckets to just poop fountains. Poop. feal matter spraying into the. stateaterooms, into the hallways, everywhere. It was likened to feal. lasagna floating on open seas. [music]. There's much more to the entire story.

with Carnival Triumph and Carnival. trying to suppress the media attention. The crews actually knowingly sailed past. a fuel leak, which probably should have. alerted them to something being wrong. with the vessel. The whole poop cleanup. itself cost $115 million. >> What? >> So, if you're ever on Carnival Sunrise, just know that's the poop cruise. They. renamed it. Yeah. >> But it does make sense because I believe. the vessel is itself worth closer to. $650 million. >> I mean, these are massive ships. And.

although I mean I would say that these. are the most common occurrences, I will. say that whenever a crime or a missing. person on a cruise ship happens, it does. make headlines for weeks. But it doesn't. occur as often as I guess we are. inclined to believe. I mean, usually. it's some minuscule variation of a poop. cruise. Like typically these are the. mishaps on cruises. It's like a small. backup toilet that's not flushing well. or there's some sort of malfunction and. it inconvenienced a small group of. people in a small way or a drunken fight.

where everybody is still physically okay. but it was a fiasco. >> But we also talked about a few cases, right, that people just gone missing on. the cruise. >> I will say that a lot of people do die. on cruises every year and a lot of that. has to do with the fact that cruises are. a preferred form of vacation for elderly. people. So, a lot of them will um will. pass away on board, but it's not. anything sinister or nefarious. And it's. not like a shocking number. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But I I I'm still inclined um not to go.

on a cruise just because I get a little. freaked out. But it it doesn't happen as. regularly as we are conditioned to. believe, but it does happen. November. 8th, 2025. A small group of people at. Port Miami. They see this small SUV. drive up to the Carnival Horizon cruise. ship that just docked. The SUV in. comparison to the cruise ship looks like. a tiny little ant. But I feel like the. SUV is scarier because it just thick. letters on the side of the car. It reads. Miami Dade County Medical Examiner, not.

ambulance, medical examiner. You don't. call a medical examiner until you have a. body. Soon after, FBI agents are seen. bringing what appears to be a cadaavver. transport carrier off the cruise ship. and into the FBI vehicle. Immediately, people are online are trying to piece. together what happened. And two things. start popping up. One, it stated that. just the day before, while still out at. sea, while they're still sailing back to. Port Miami, Carnival issued letters to.

passengers in a specific deck, in a. specific hallway of stateaterooms. So, if you're staying on this level, on this. floor, in this hallway, you're getting a. letter on your door. The letter reads. with the Carnival letter head at the. top, dated November 7th, 2025. Dear. Carnival Horizon guest, we have made. arrangements for you to have priority. debarking on tomorrow morning. Authorities will be joining the ship. first thing upon arrival to complete an. investigation and will be in the area of. your hallway. It could be noisy and. disruptive, so we kindly [music] ask. that you be out of your stateateroom by.

7:00 a.m. We will have breakfast for. you, Meridian Dr. Annex deck 4, starboard side, and then our team will. escort you off the ship ahead of other. guests. >> H. >> doesn't really sound I mean, it sounds. urgent cuz an investigation, you get. priority disembarking. I mean, what. could be going on? And then you couple. it with another Tik Tok that starts. circulating of a woman who was staying. in that same exact deck, same exact. hallway, and she says that she found out. that someone was dead in the hallway. She starts off the video by describing.

her experience on the cruise ship thus. far, and she's been having like. backto-back nightmares, which is not the. point, but she's just saying it's it's. just been a weird trip. She's on the. same cruise, Carnival Horizon, and she. says, "We woke up and they're talking. about somebody got killed on my floor. at the eighth floor, like down the hall. So, somebody got murdered on the cruise. ship. There's security standing in front. of the door. The body is still in the. room. The body won't be off until. tomorrow when we go to Miami when we get. off. FBI has to come and investigate. The body is still on the same floor that.

I'm sleeping on. I will note that it's. highly unlikely that the body is kept in. the stateateroom. It's more likely that. security and medical staff respond, notify the captain, notify shore. authorities. Usually, they'll photograph. the entire room and how the body is. discovered along with anything else of. importance before moving the body to the. morg because every cruise ship has a. morg. But it's it's likely that security. is stationed outside. >> Every cruise ship has a morg. >> Every single cruise ship has a morg. They don't have, you know, a morg. attendee or anything like that, but.

>> it's for like incidents. >> Yeah. And usually the doctor on board, I. believe, will be the one taking care of. the morg. And again, a lot of them have. gone on to Reddit cuz I was intrigued by. this and I went down a rabbit hole. A. lot of them say it sounds sinister. It. sounds creepy because of all the news. that we see, but a lot of the times it's. elderly people. >> Wow. >> Which is still sad nonetheless. And they. actually advocate that if you are a. senior citizen going on a cruise, you. should definitely get travel insurance. because it can cover and help your. family cover transport of your body back.

home. >> Huh. >> Which would be different than if you. were to. >> Well, my parents going on a cruise. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Wow. Interesting. >> Yeah. Every cruise ship does have a morg. >> and so it's very likely that the body. was placed in the morg and there is. security stationed outside the room to. make sure nobody tampers with a. potential open crime scene. Now the Tik. Tocker says at one point she her sister. had heard someone screaming for help and. then they find out that someone has. potentially been killed on the same. floor that they're on. I mean she's.

understandably very freaked out. She. says that she's not even going to leave. her room for the rest of the 24 hours. and she's just going to keep her sisters. nearby just in case. She doesn't know. what's going on. So, you have someone on. TikTok claiming that someone was. potentially killed on their floor. An. alleged carnival letter issued to. passengers of that floor advising them. that they're going to disembark earlier. than the others. Then you have federal. agents showing up to the vessel once. it's docked along with the Miami Dade. County Medical Examiner. What the hell. happened on the Carnival Horizon cruise.

ship? Just 24 hours before docking, a. room [music] attendant had walked into. one of the stateaterooms. A lot of. people will call them like maids, housekeepers, [music]. room attendant. And there were three. teenagers staying in this specific room. together. You have 18-year-old Anna. Keaptainner. You have her 14-year-old. halfb brotherther. So, they have the. same dad. >> And then you have her 16-year-old. stepbrother. They have no blood. relations. >> Okay. So, the stepbrother's mom just.

married Anna's dad. [music]. >> Got it. Okay. >> The rest of their family are also on the. cruise. They have two other rooms on the. ship, and it was supposed to be this. blended family cruise ship. They wanted. to make it an annual thing. And then. November 7th, 2025, Anna is found by the. room attendant under the mattress, wrapped in a blanket, and covered with. life jackets. She had been killed. And. the main suspect so far, it appears. might be [music] her 16-year-old. step-brother and her dad, her stepmom.

They're all just being very suspicious. This is the current ongoing case of Anna. Keaptainner and how every single adult. in her life is being oddly weird about. her murder on this cruise ship. >> [music]. [music].

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now. I mean, these are all just. allegations being shared by the police, the news, the media, and then some of. them by the parents themselves. So, with. that in mind, let's get started. May. 6th, 2025, a message is sent from a. woman named Shantel Keaptainner. Shantel. is very important. Shantel is the. stepbrother's mom. Shantel. She's the. stepmom. Shantel the stepmom. >> Shantel. Was Shantel on the ship? >> Yes. Shantel was on the ship. So, this. is 6 months before they get on the boat.

Shantel is texting her ex-husband, Thomas. And there's going to be a lot of. names, but I'm going to try to make it. clear. Thomas, the ex-husband. >> Now, this text message reads, "Good. afternoon. I wanted to give you a heads. up that we have a family trip planned. from November 2nd to November 8th. We'll. be going on a cruise that departs from. Miami and stops in Jamaica, Grand. Cayman, and Mexico before returning to. Miami. In order to move forward with the. necessary travel documents, could you. please send me your current mailing. address so that I can send you the. passport forms that need to be signed, and I'll include a prepaid envelope for.

returning them. Thanks in advance, Shantel. Shantel and her ex-husband, Thomas. They share two kids together, a. 16-year-old son, the stepbrother, >> and a nine-year-old daughter. She's. going to take them both on this cruise. And she wants permission because, you. know, that's how custody works. About a. month later, the ex-husband, Thomas, he's still not sent the forms back. He. just responds, "I'm not sure if I'm. willing to sign the forms. I'm not okay. with my kids going out of the country. Until we can find some common ground and.

set something up, I'm not okay with them. leaving the state." Being that I have. not talked to or seen my kids in so. long, I will talk to my attorney and see. what can be done. Maybe we can agree on. something that benefits the kids having. both parents in their lives. Shantel. will take the kids on the [music] trip. anyway. And by the end of it, her. 16-year-old son is going to be a suspect. in the murder of Anna Keaptainner. [music] Nearly 32 hours after Anna. Kapner is murdered, [music] Shantel is. going to text her ex-husband once more.

I need you to call me. It's an. emergency. There are apparently five. main categories for cruise liners. You've got mainstream, premium, luxury, ultra luxury, and expedition, which. expedition is essentially a cruise where. you go through the Drake's Passage and. end up in Antarctica or some other. remote location. You're not really there. for the all-inclusive buffets and the. casinos. You're there for the thrill. You're there to jump out of a helicopter. and see a penguin. Obviously, price. point is going to be one of the main, if. not the main thing about choosing which. category of cruise liner you're going to.

end up on. So, starting with ultra. luxury, think Ritz Carlton Yacht. Collection, Seabor, Silver Sea. It's. intimate, perhaps only 200 to 750 guests. on a boat. I imagine a much older. demographic. I've actually heard of a. lot of people who are like, I'm going to. splurge and go on a honeymoon on one of. these ultra luxury yacht trips like the. Ritz Carlton. and by her of people I. mean on Reddit and they say that they. regret it because you're just with a. bunch of 60-year-old rich retirees and. there's no fun. It's just a lot of fine.

dining. >> So that's the most expensive one. >> Yes. Unless you're chartering a yacht, which is not really a cruise at that. point. >> How much are those? Do you know? >> Yeah. So it really depends on how long. you're going to be there. What's. interesting about the ultra luxury trips. is they never start and end in the same. place. So you have to think about travel. accommodations from the start position. to the end position. >> That's weird. For example, Seabor 8day. trip in Japan and then it ends in Hong. Kong. >> Huh? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You have I have to fly back.

>> You have to fly to Japan and then you. might not leave the same day. So then. you got to find accommodations and then. you have to find a flight from Hong Kong. back to wherever you live. It's just. it's kind of weird, >> but for that it's about it depends on. the room. $3,500 to $10,000 a person for. an 8-day trip. >> The Ritz Carlton is even worse. starting. at 11 to $12,000 a person for a similar. trip. And then a small step down from. that would be luxury and small yacht. cruises. Oceanana, Viking Ocean,

Winstar. Again, much smaller ships in. general, a huge focus still on the food. Lots of focus on fine dining. These are. the types of boats that are going to be. like, "We have a Michelin star chef on. board." A lot of companies in this tier. are going to try to market the. experience as almost like being on your. own private yacht. It's very private. Some of these cruise liners, it's a. one:1 staff ratio, staff to passenger. ratio. Then you have the next step down. Premium cruise liners, Princess, Holland.

America, Celebrity Cruises, Virgin. Voyages, which please don't book Virgin. Voyages unless Okay, so no, you can, but. you should know that uh from my. extensive Reddit researching that I've. done as someone who has never been on a. cruise, Virgin Voyages has become. Swinger's Paradise. It's an adults only. cruise line. Oh, but some people might. be into that. >> Yeah. So, I'm just saying don't book it. until you kind of know what's going on. Even if you're not into it, I think it. could be fun. I'm just saying you should. be aware before you get on the boat and. then you just see like a bunch of upside. down pineapples everywhere, which I.

believe is the symbol for singing. Yes, >> I see. >> And then you have the Disney cruises, which are very expensive, much the. opposite of Virgin Voyages, child. focused, family focused. And then after. that, you've got your mainstream or what. they call mass market cruise lines. And. these are your Royal Caribbeans, your. Carnivals. And each company has a. different energy. People say Royal. Caribbean is a bit more laidback, [music] but these ships, Royal Caribbean. has the mega ships. When you see those. pictures of a giant water park on the.

sea, it's a Royal Caribbean most of the. time. When you see ice skating rinks in. a ship, that's Royal Caribbean. Think. about entire Six Flags amusement parks. on a boat type of feeling. However, however, that's the most fun you're. going to get out of Royal Caribbean. The. parties are not going to be as fun. The. casinos are not as hyped. >> So, you're going to really focus a lot. on going down the water slide non-stop. for 8 days straight. That's the point of.

the Royal Caribbean. Now, Carnival is a. lot more social oriented, and by that I. mean it's just a party on water. People. say Carnival is like going back to a. frat party but being out at sea. And. it's very familyfriendly. The Carnival. Horizon perhaps not as you know amenity. focused as any other Royal Caribbean. ship. It still has a whole water park. smaller IMAX theaters. They've got. Family Feud Live. They have other live. performances. And this specific trip, the Carnival Horizon, so the Horizon is. the trip name is going to set sail from.

Port Miami November 2nd. It's going to. be at sea for six nights going to. Jamaica, Grand Cayman, Mexico before. finally returning back to Port Miami. All in all, 6 days at sea. I believe two. of those are sea days. So you have port. days and sea days. Port days is like. when you're docked at the port in Mexico. and everyone can get off the ship. They. have activities planned by the cruise. ship that you can purchase or you can do. your own thing in Mexico. But you have. to make it back on time to the cruise. ship or they will leave. They're so. cutthroat about this. They don't care if. you're a 5-year-old child. They will. leave you. So you got your sea days,

you've got your port days. And it. appears the very first day at sea is the. infamous saila away party. This is like. the most anticipated part of the. Carnival Horizon. You have everyone on. deck. There is a DJ. There's. entertainment. Everybody's dancing. Everybody's singing. And there is a. passenger who takes a video of everyone. doing the Cupid Shuffle. And it pans. around the deck. And you see a teenage. girl in a white shirt, black shorts. doing the Cupid Shuffle. This is not. really a magnificent video. It's not. spectacularly filmed. It's not It's not. the most engaging. It's not something.

that would typically go viral on social. media, but it does because you see Anna. Kapner dancing and you see her grandma. in pink standing nearby. And by all. accounts, it seems like Anna is very. much enjoying her time with her. grandparents on this ship. One comment. reads, "Sweet baby, just having fun with. her grandparents, >> who were all on the ship besides the. three kids.". >> Yeah. Okay. So, we're going to get into. that. I do need to give you a quick. rundown on the family background. 18-year-old Anna's biological parents. are Chris Keaptainner. This is her dad.

Anna's dad is Chris Keaptainner, and. this woman named Heather. Heather does. not live in Florida with Anna. She does. not live in Florida with anybody. She. apparently has very little if any. contact with Anna and there's quite a. contentious relationship between the. two. More on that later. But Anna's. biological mom is a woman named Heather. that lives in Oklahoma. Anna never. really sees her. Anna doesn't really. interact with her. In fact, Anna seems. to have a lot of resentment towards her. mom. So, she mainly lives with her dad. Chris Keaptainner. And when Anna is 3. years old, her dad Chris Keaptainner. remarries a woman named Tabitha. So,

this is Anna's first stepmom is Tabitha. This part is also contentious, but it's. been alleged that Chris cheated on. Heather, Anna's biological mom, with. their babysitter, Tabitha. To add fuel. to that theory, I suppose, is the fact. that Chris and Tabitha get married, and. they do have a very substantial age gap. And so now Heather moves to Oklahoma. She leaves her biological daughter, Anna, moves to Oklahoma. Anna has a new. stepmom. Tabitha then gives birth to. Anna's first sibling, half sibling. This. [music] is September of 2011, which.

means Tabitha was very pregnant when she. married Chris, actually. >> Wow. That's Anna's first half sibling. Then six years later, Tabitha and Chris. have another child, a baby girl this. time. So, just another recap. Chris and. Heather have Anna. They divorce. Chris. marries Tabitha. They have a son. They. have a daughter. Two wives, three kids. though, so far. Then Chris and Tabitha. have a pretty nasty divorce where. Tabitha gets primary custody of the two. minor children, but not Anna. She's been. Anna's stepmom since Anna was 3 to 16.

years old, but she can't get custody of. Anna. And Anna's, you know, going to. turn 18 soon, turn into an adult soon. And then Chris remarries another woman. named Shantel. >> Now, Shantel has three kids of her own. from a previous marriage to Thomas. >> Mhm. >> So, these are going to be Anna's step. siblings. She's got an 18-year-old son. named Andrew. Andrew is going to be very. important later, but he's not on this. cruise ship. I don't even think that. Andrew and Anna really interacted much. because [music] Andrew stayed with his. dad. So, 18-year-old Andrew stays with.

Thomas. Shantel brings two minor. children into this relationship. Her. 16-year-old son, the main suspect so. far, and then her 9-year-old daughter. >> Got it. Okay. >> So, [music] they get married. So, this. is where the custody gets a little bit. complicated. Okay. I'm just going to. give you an overview of all the. children. And this is going to be. organized in relation to when the. children come into Anna's life. You have. 18-year-old Anna, her 14-year-old. half-brother from Tabitha, her. 10-year-old halfsister from Tabitha, and. now from Shantel with no biological.

relation, she has her 18-year-old. stepbrother Andrew, her 16-year-old. stepbrother, and her 9-year-old steps. sister. >> Mhm. >> And just to clarify, not all of them. live in the same house. When you're. talking about who lives in the same. house, you've got Chris Kapner, the dad, Shantel, the new stepmom. And because. remember, Tabitha gets custody of the. two minor kids. Chris just has Anna. full-time. And then Shantel, 18-year-old. Andrew, is with her ex. So, she's got. two minor kids. Y, >> the stepson and the stepdaughter, 16-year-old, 9-year-old.

>> So, it's the three of them living under. one roof. >> The three kids, but it's a three-bedroom. house. Chris and Shantel, they get a. room. Shantel's 16-year-old son gets a. room, and Shantel's 9-year-old daughter. gets a room. So, that's three for three. And 18-year-old Anna is left sleeping in. the dining room. She has partitioned it. off a little bit to make it a little bit. cozier, but it is a dining room at the. end of the day. I thought it was going. to be more of a dining room. Like, you. know how if it's sectioned off with. walls on each side, and maybe there's an. opening into the kitchen, but no, it's. like right next to the kitchen. It's.

more so like a breakfast nook. M. >> So, in another Tik Tok, you know, you. see bits of this dining room setup, room. setup, but you have a lot of Tik Toks. that Anna had posted where it does seem. like, and this is obviously speculation, but it does appear that perhaps Anna. really was excited to get out of the. house soon. She was set to graduate high. school in May of 2026. So, she's 6. months away from graduating. She wants. to enlist in the Navy. She's already. taken a military enlistment test. She. wants to join the Navy, become a K9. officer, and there seems to be a lot of.

tension. I don't know who the tension is. directed towards. There are some reports. that she didn't like her new stepmom, Shantel, that she was complaining like, "These are essentially strangers that. moved into our house. I don't know these. people and now I just have to act like. she's my new stepmom." There is that. sort of energy. There is. >> a report somewhere. >> Yeah, that is like a basically hearsay. report. And then there are Tik Toks that. she herself has posted where she. expresses a lot of disappointment. towards her biological mom for not being. in her life and towards ex-boyfriends,

but also just life in general. In one. Tik Tok, it's just a photo slide of. three pictures. And the first one says, "A glow stick has to break before it can. glow. You swipe. So I broke. Swipe. And. now I'm wondering if I'll ever be able. to glow again." Another one with the. caption reads, "Having a good heart will. only get you hurt in this generation.". So, it seems like Anna's going through a. lot. Some people categorize it as. teenage angst, but I will say I think. the people around her, the adults in her. life are pretty people. And that's. not an implication of guilt. I just I.

personally think that they're not great. >> Really? >> Yeah. November 17th, 2025, over a week. after the cruise ship docks in Port. Miami, a post starts circulating on X. It's from a man named Martin, and Martin. writes, "I need everybody's help on. this. If you haven't heard this story, then you have been living under a rock. This is my niece Anna Keaptainner. She. was 18 and was on a cruise ship with her. dad, stepmom, and the family members. I. cannot stay silent about this matter any. longer. The stepmom's [music] son killed. her, stuffed her naked, beaten body in a.

sheet, and stuffed her under a bed and. covered her with life jackets, then. slept on the bed like nothing happened. He [music] told his mom when no one. could find Anna on the ship. So, yes, they know who did this, and it sickens. me that the father, Chris, remained. silent about it. Please pass this on. till maybe it gets to somebody that can. do something about it. If nothing is. done, it will all come out on the 20th. At least [music] that's what the stepmom. has said after threatening family. If. they talk before, they're going to be. banned from the funeral. The remembrance. of life for Anna. [music] Please pass. this so my family can get closure and.

the people who did this and lied and. stalled to tell the rest of us what. happened when it did. Now you just look. guilty of a cover up. Martin Donahghue. is not just a random nobody. [music]. Martin Donahghue is Tabitha's brother. And Tabitha was Anna's stepmom from when. Anna was three years old to 16 years. old. I mean, she's been like the primary. mother figure in Anna's life. I couldn't. find any post of Anna talking about her. stepmom specifically or what their. relationship was like, but it seems like. nothing alarming or contentious about. it. I mean, they share half siblings.

Anna shares half siblings that are. Tabitha's kids, and she loves her half. siblings. So, it seems like they had a. healthy relationship. And this is. Tabitha's brother saying, "Something's. going on. My niece was killed and her. own biological father is being silent. about it. >> At at this point, isn't the police. investigating? >> Yes. So what is he, you know, >> I think right when the cruise ship. docked and FBI showed up to the ship, a. lot of Anna's close immediate family. members, they were posting like very. vague statements of Anna's passing, just.

talking about how she will be. remembered, how she was Anna Banana, how. she was bubbly and wanted to be a K-9. officer and always loved Georgia. Bulldogs and wanted to go to UG. It was. un. >> She's from Atlanta. >> No, so she's actually from Florida, but. she wanted to go to. >> Huge Dogs fan. Yeah, apparently. But. it's just he's saying it's weird because. all these people are making it seem like. something tragic happened on the boat. when he's like, "No, my niece was killed. and I'm pretty sure it was her. stepbrother that was on the boat with. her.". >> So nobody's like fighting for justice.

for Anna. >> Exactly. Got it. It seems like a very. quiet investigation that's happening. And now this is just thrusting it into. the spotlight of Okay, so she was. killed. I mean, there were some reports. that she was found under the mattress, so it was assumed that she had been. murdered. But this is the most detailed. information that has come out thus far. And there are a lot of weird things. about it. Immediately after this post, like three days after, Anna's. grandparents do an ABC interview and. everyone starts talking about the room. arrangements. The room arrangements are.

[music] very strange. There are nine. members of the family joining the. cruise. And you've got three rooms. So. the first room you just have the. grandparents, Barbara and Jimmy [music]. or Jeffrey. He's not as important. Barbara is Mima. This is like Anna's. favorite person in the world, it seems. like. And she's always posting about her. grandma, and she calls her Mima. And. Mima has been the more active one in. interviews. >> I'm sorry. I don't know if I missed. this, but are they. >> They're Chris's parents. >> Got it. >> So Chris Keaptainner's parents, Grandma. and Grandpa are in one room. So that's.

two out of the nine family members. Now, there are seven family members left. The. second room, you've got Chris. Keaptainner and Shantel. And then you. have their two youngest daughters from. separate marriages. So, you've got Chris. and Tabitha's 10-year-old daughter. And. then you have Shantel and Thomas's. nine-year-old daughter. >> So, that's four of the nine. Now, there's only three family members left. You've got 18-year-old Anna, Shantel and. Thomas's 16-year-old son, and Chris and. Tabitha's 14-year-old son. So, you've.

got Anna's 14-year-old halfb brotherther. and her 16-year-old stepbrother. The. only child not included in the cruise is. 18-year-old Andrew from Shantel's. marriage, previous marriage, who stays. with his dad. Got it. >> But everybody else is on this cruise. >> Mhm. So, people didn't like this room. setup or. >> Yeah, people do not like this room. setup. It's a weird Okay. I I mean, when. you do look into the room, it's not like. they're sharing beds. >> Mhm. >> The room seems like it has one bed on. the ground and then two bunk beds on.

top. So, these cruise ships, they they. pack people into these rooms. So, you've. got one bed where it seems like Anna. probably slept in that bed. And then two. of the Pullman bunks, it seems like both. the boys slept in that one, the. 14-year-old half brother and the. 16-year-old stepson. >> Okay. >> But it's just I'm not a parent, but I. probably would not do the room. arrangements like that. It's very weird. to have an 18-year-old girl and a. 16-year-old boy who have maybe known. each other for 2 years, have no like. blood relations, staying in the same. room. people that thought it was very.

odd because okay Anna and her half. brother nobody thinks that's odd and. they grew up together whereas this boy I. mean Anna just met this boy like two. years ago. >> Yeah, I see. >> So there is a lot of just weird and I'm. sure there are many healthy family. dynamics where this could have worked. out perfectly fine, but clearly this was. not one of them. So there's just a lot. of uncomfort and a lot of people a lot. of parents have been sounding off in all. the comment sections of how they. personally would have handled it. And it. seems like most parents are in agreement. like this would have never happened in.

their house. You should at least have an. adult in there. It almost seems like. they put 18-year-old Anna in there as. the adult. >> Mhm. >> I mean, I can get really technical with. it if you're interested cuz I was I was. even trying to take a poll of what a lot. of parents in the comments were saying. So, the first one was a lot of people. thought either Anna should have been. placed with her grandparents. But then. the problem that the Keners would have. had is that you can't put a 16-year-old. and a 14-year-old boy in one room. You. need to have some sort of adult. >> So it seems like a irresponsible choice.

from the adults. >> involved. So it seems like the best. solution would have been Anna to be with. her grandparents and then they should. have figured something out with the two. teenage boys. And then the second option. would have been that Anna gets her own. room and then maybe the boys are with. the grandparents. And then the third. option that I saw pulled a lot was like. you just if you're taking nine people on. a cruise and you're budgeting, you just. have to split up. So they were saying. you should put Chris Keaptainner, the. dad, with the two boys and then you. should put Shantel with the two young.

girls, maybe Anna and then the. grandparents can get their own room. But. it just seems like maybe Chris and. Shantel were very. >> maybe selfish about the room. organization. It was just a weird room. organization. No parent really thinks. that this was okay. >> I see. >> Yeah. I think the only parents I see in. the comments that are saying, "Oh, this. is perfectly fine." They seem to be from. a much older generation. I don't know. how that affects it, but it's very. interesting. Now, even Anna's own. grandma states to ABC, >> "Whatever happened in that room, the. only person responsible is the person. that was in the room with Anna.".

>> According to Anna's death certificate, Anna Keepner died by mechanical esphyxia. by another person. It has been widely. reported that she appears to have been. held in a bar hold. And this is even. reported by her grandmother. This is her. theory and hypothesis of how Anna was. killed. >> You take the elbow like this. They said. when they took her body to the medical. examiner's office, it was in perfect. condition. >> There were reportedly bruises on the. side of Anna's neck. And a bar hold, if. you're unfamiliar, is when someone wraps. [music] and holds your neck in the crook.

of their elbow. Anna's grandparents are. stating that she was not found beaten. There were bruises on her neck from the. esphyxiation, but you know, it's not. like Martin Donahghue's ex post where it. says that she was beaten up. There was. evidence of essay and all of these other. things. Anna's family is refuting that. They're saying actually no, there was no. signs of drugs or alcohol in her system. There was no signs of essay, but yes, she was killed basically. >> So the it doesn't show she had been. essayed on the certificate.

>> The death certificate does not show, but. this is not her autopsy. Uh, I see. Right. Right. Right. >> Anna's grandparents, who she's been. really close with. I mean, they might. have been some of Anna's favorite people. in the entire world, and more on that. later, but they do an interview with. ABC, like I said, days after Martin. Donahghue's social media post, and the. grandma says. >> she was found concealed under the bed. I. was told that she pulled back the. mattress and found Anna. The FBI. contacted my son and family and told us. her cause of death was affixiation. They.

said when they took her body to the. medical examiner's office, it was in. perfect condition. Anna's grandparents. further tell FA ABC News that there were. no signs of essay, drugs, or alcohol. And as for the social media conversation. of the stepbrother, the 16-year-old. stepbrother being the suspects, Anna's. grandparents say. >> he was in a room with her. He was the. only one seen coming and going. So, I. can't I can't accuse him because I don't. know what happened in that room, but the. summation would be that that he did. [music] something.

>> Anna's grandma, Barbara, says that she. actually sat in on the 16-year-old. stepbrother talking to the FBI agents, and he told the FBI agents he doesn't. remember what happened. And here's where. it gets so weird. Anna is Barbara's. biological grandchild. She's known Anna. since she was born. And the 16-year-old. stepbrother probably entered grandma's. life 2 3 years ago, Max. But grandma. believes the 16-year-old stepbrother. that he doesn't remember anything that's. happened. She believes him. She says he. was an emotional mess. He couldn't even. speak. He couldn't believe what had.

happened. She says about their. relationship, they were just like. brother and sister. He was a good. student, played soccer, very quiet young. man. He had demons, I think, in his past. that he was trying to deal with those. She ends the interview with a statement. >> Um, I hope that we can heal whatever. happened in that room. The only person. responsible is the person that was in. the room with Anna. >> Why she keeps saying that? >> Yeah. I mean, >> but but she says she believes. >> Mhm. >> that the brother doesn't know what's. going on. What? >> Yeah. Now, as for what justice looks.

like for her cuz she's asked that. She. says whatever the law says. I'm not. going to advocate for anything more or. anything less. And that will be for the. courts to decide. A lot of netizens find. it odd that the grandparents sound like. they have so much sympathy for this. 16-year-old boy that they probably. hardly know. and maybe we are just evil. sick people and we would want this. 16-year-old to be arrested. But it. doesn't even just seem like, oh well, he's 16, so we should take that into. consideration, but we still need. absolute justice for my granddaughter. I.

want to know exactly what happened and. why it happened and how it happened. I. want to know everything and I want to. make sure that society is protected from. this child who could maybe be charged as. an adult. It's not that energy. It's. kind of weird. >> It's just very calm. It's almost like. they're both her grandchildren by blood. >> Yeah. >> But you've only known one of them for. like 2 years. And you also say things. like he's had demons in his past that he. was working through. But you also. believe that he doesn't remember. anything. It's just odd. >> She didn't say what demon. >> No. >> Okay. >> And then also she's like, "He played.

soccer. He was a quiet kid. I don't know. what that has to do with anything." And. so Netison comments are reading, "They. failed her too." Quote, "I would be. voicing negatively more about the person. that killed my granddaughter. I wouldn't. be saying he played soccer and he was a. quiet and good kid and blah blah blah.". Another comment reads, "Anybody else. creeped out by this entire family?". Another comment reads, "He had demons in. his past that he was dealing with. Why. on earth would he be allowed in the same. room with Anna, a teenage girl who in. reality was not related to him except. through marriage of her dad? What a. shame for Anna. God bless her soul.".

>> Okay, so I guess my question is there. were two other people, the 16-year-old. stepbrother. >> and the 14year-old brother. >> There's a hearsay statement, if you. will, >> but he was not in the room at the time. M. >> Anna's grandmother ultimately states, "I. can't accuse him because I don't know. what happened in that room, but I. believe to him that is his [music]. truth. >> He was an emotional mess. He couldn't. even speak. He couldn't believe what had happened.". >> To which people are commenting along the. lines of he couldn't even speak because.

he was traumatized or because he was. exercising his right to remain silent. People also don't like the fact that the. grandparents intentionally described. them as being just like brother and. sister, which people are saying to say. that almost indicates that they were not. just like brother and sister. Not. indicating that something nefarious was. happening, but like it's a very odd. thing to say rather than something. generic like they got along well. They. were adjusting well to being a blended. family. They shared the same sense of. humor. Shantel, the stepbrother's mom, later in a slightly unrelated court.

hearing, she does confirm that the FBI. have they believe that her 16-year-old. son is a suspect in Anna's murder. >> What does unrelated court hearing mean? >> Okay, we're going to get into this whole. court hearing in a second, but Shantel. and Thomas Hudson have three kids. together. >> Yes. >> Andrew, 18-year-old Andrew is with. Thomas Hudson. >> Mhm. Shantel had 16-year-old son and. 9-year-old daughter in her care. >> Mhm. >> After the cruise, 16-year-old son is. sent to a third party to stay with them.

9-year-old daughter is still wishell. Thomas Hudson does an emergency court. filing for custody over the 9-year-old. daughter. He's like, "Oh, no. Like, your. stepdaughter died on this cruise ship. that I didn't want you guys to go on, and our son is a suspect with the. Federal Bureau of Investigations. I want. my nine-year-old daughter in my primary. custody. So, there's this emergency. court filing. There's two different. hearings and it just becomes half about. custody, half about the cruise. >> Interesting.

>> That's why we're getting a lot of. information about this cruise when. typically the feds are very hush hush. about things and they're hush- hush. They haven't said anything themselves, >> but through a custody battle. >> Mhm. >> Wow. >> And it's very likely that it's because. the custody battle is happening in. Florida that we're getting this much. information. Florida has one of the more. relaxed laws about family courts and. custody battles being public. information. >> So, states have like different. regulations for that, but Florida is a. little bit more open. >> Wow. >> But it's in this custody hearing after.

the cruise ship that Shantel is like, I. mean, the three of them, Anna, my. 16-year-old son, and Anna's 14-year-old. half brother, they're like the three. amigos. They're That's literally her. words. Three amigos. They're best. friends. >> Did they all get along? Yeah, they're. the three of them are like the three. amigos. They're best friends. >> That is not what anybody else is saying. Anna has been pretty active on Tik Tok. before her passing. And I think if you. go through her Tik Tok, there's a lot of. emotions that she's dealing with. And. one of them is clearly about.

relationships, romantic relationships. One from September 4th reads, "She isn't. trying to argue. She isn't trying to be. sensitive. She isn't trying to. overthink. She doesn't mean to blow up. your phone. She doesn't mean to ask if. you still love her and want to be with. her still. She doesn't mean to yell. She's like that because she just wants. you to see her side of things. She wants. to feel loved and heard. She just wants. reassurance to make her feel better. She. just doesn't want to lose the man that. makes her feel like the happiest woman. ever. So, it indicates like maybe there. was a bad breakup. Another Tik Tok Anna. writes, "Even after every breakup, being. disrespected, being lied to, being.

cheated on, being used, getting. manipulated, getting played, I will. always have a smile on my face and a. kind heart. I don't know why I've been. through what I've been through, but I. can promise you I never deserved it. Am. I mad at those people for what they did. to me? No. Am I upset? Yes, but at the. end of the day, we are all human and we. make mistakes. I'm glad that I went. through that just because it made me. realize that I don't want it in my life. At the end of the day, I pray that one. day y'all will learn what y'all did was. wrong and don't do it anymore to anyone. else because no one deserves to be. treated like that. So, this is from like.

a month before the cruise. However, we. don't know which ex this is about or if. it's just like general life experience. >> So, are you saying the 16-year-old the. name is still redacted? Like nobody like. people are not reporting on him? It. seems like everybody who is looking into. the case knows the name of all. >> So you were just choosing not to say. until there's like official. >> Yeah. Yeah. Just because it seems um. from Shantel, >> it seems that he is a suspect in Anna's. murder, but until there are charges and. until we know legally if he's being.

charged as an adult. This is not like a. a moral decision on my part. I do think. that if he is guilty of killing someone, I mean, I think it's fine to use his. name. Yeah. But I think just to be safe. >> Even Anna's ex-boyfriend's dad, so this. is now Josh's dad has come forward to. state, yet the stepbrother was obsessed. with Anna and not in a good way. He. says, "When Josh, my son Josh, and Anna. were dating." One time Josh came home. and was like, "Listen, I tried to talk. to Chris Keaptainner, Anna's dad, about. how the stepbrother is a creep and he. just wouldn't listen to me." I don't.

know how true this is. This is, you. know, just an allegation at this point. And they mentioned that Anna was always. terrified of the stepbrother because he. carried around a big knife. >> Wow. Now, these are more allegations and. we don't know, but the halfb brotherther. of Anna, so this is the 14-year-old that. was also in the room, he apparently told. Anna's ex-boyfriend later after the. cruise that the night that Anna was. killed, he had gone to the room after. dinner, he had gotten changed and he. wanted to go outside to take pictures. So, he leaves, he comes back and the. door is locked. So, he's trying to come.

back to sleep for the night. He's not. allowed in, but he hears screaming and. what sounds like maybe a chair being. thrown inside the room is the report. we. don't know if this is true. >> He heard him yelling at her like in a. harmful way of like shut the hell up and. stuff like that. Like something was like. banging around and stuff and like the. chairs were getting thrown around in the. room. >> And I assume that this is pretty normal. behavior for the stepbrother because the. half brother just goes back to the deck. He doesn't call his dad. He doesn't call. his stepmom.

>> Whoa. >> He just goes back to the deck. And I. imagine it's because either the parents. don't do anything when this type of. occurrence happens or this is a regular. occurrence because if this is the first. time it's happening, you would call. somebody. Yeah. >> And I'm not blaming the 14-year-old for. not doing anything. Like this is I'm. just saying this is alarming that this. seems to be normal. And then he comes. back to the room and he's let in. He. doesn't see a mess. He doesn't see any. blood or like anything alarming. He. doesn't see Anna. So he just assumes. that Anna is out of the room with the. adults. And it's not like he's sleeping. on the same bed as Anna. He's sleeping.

on a bunk bed. So, he just climbs up to. his bunk bed and goes to sleep. And Anna. is in the same room, deceased, under her. mattress. I think that the life jackets. were to level out the mattress a bit. And then probably the comforter on top. I I don't think that you probably. wouldn't see, especially if you're 14. >> And I don't even know if a regular adult. had opened the door, if they just. glanced in, if they would be able to. notice something would be a miss. It. seems like the room attendant was trying.

to make the bed. So that's. >> Oh, that's how it was discovered. >> Yeah. I don't think it was just like I. open the door and the room attendant is. like, "Oh, I see something a lump under. the bed." I think she was probably. trying to make the bed. So I imagine the. life jackets were used to level out the. mattress. >> So this is like the next day, next. morning, they were out like having. breakfast and someone was cleaning the. room. >> Exactly. >> Wow. So he doesn't realize until the. next morning that his sister is missing. If you are a parent on a cruise, you.

have a few very important pertinent. jobs. You make sure that your kid gets. back on the boat after they leave the. port. You make sure you know where your. kids are and that they're safe at any. given time. And let's throw in a third. one. You make sure that they take their. meds. Concerta and clonodine is a pretty. commonly prescribed combination. So. Concerta is typically prescribed for. ADHD. It's kind of like I guess more. [music] typically uh Vivian's Aderall. are common names. It's not the same. drug. It's different but it's in that.

family. And Clonodine is for insomnia. [music]. So Concera is like aderall. It's a. stimulant for ADHD. A lot of people. report that it's less of a huge up and. down. So I know if you've taken Adderall. before, you're probably like, "Oh my. gosh, okay, this kid is on Adderall. It. could be a little dangerous." But it's. not like Adderall. It seems where the. crashes are big. It seems a little bit. more of a plateau, but it does keep you. up because it's a stimulant. It. increases dopamine and norepinephrine in. the brain. And of course, this interacts. with each person differently. And.

clonodine can be prescribed for a lot of. things, including insomnia, which can. help with the concern. So, you've got. [music] this stimulant in the morning. for ADHD, and then you probably take. Clonodine at night so that you can kind. of release that anxiety and get [music]. to bed. And obviously these medications. are going to react vastly different from. every single person that takes it. But. Clondodine can be prescribed for a lot. of different things. For insomnia, which. can be caused by Concerta, the. stimulant. It can also help with sleep,

irritability, aggression, sometimes even. for ticks. So I know a lot of people. with Tourette's will take it or. emotional dysregulation or even. hyperarousal. I would say any sort of. stimulant and combination of stimulant. and relaxers should not be something. that you just take when you remember it. I'm not a pharmacist. My sister is a. pharmacist and Anna's 16-year-old. stepbrother is diagnosed with ADHD. And. so he takes that concert, one pill a. day, every single morning. And then he. takes the clonine, a pill a night for. insomnia every single night. This has.

been it seemingly his medication regimen. for 3 to four years. It seems [music]. Shantel says that during the cruise she. was the one that held on to his. medications. >> Did you hold on to the medications? >> Yes. >> Which makes sense. So every single. morning she gives him that Concerta, the. stimulant for the ADHD. And then at. night she gives him the Clonodine so. that he can go to sleep so that he can. emotionally regulate so that this can. relax him. It'll help with his. irritability except the last two nights.

So the night of Anna's death and the. night before, she forgets to give him. the insomnia medication. >> Did you make sure he took his. medications every day? >> He took um his morning pill every day. and he missed two doses of his clanine. at night. >> How do we find out about that? >> The court hearing for the emergency. custody battle. >> Huh. >> She says the night before Anna's death, he had fallen asleep before needing his. medication. >> And what do you mean he missed the dose? What happened there? >> He went to bed before he got it. He was.

already asleep. >> So, he was already asleep. Now, a lot of. doctors, I did look into it. They do. advise that you don't wake up your. sleeping child to give them the clonine, but you could probably give it to them. the next morning or you can just make. sure that they don't skip another. dosage. Then the next night, the night. of Anna's murder, she states that she. fell asleep before giving him his. medications, which again, Clonidane is. not something you just miss. It's not a. take as needed type of prescription. If. he already fell asleep, that's fine. And. I don't know how frequently you can let.

that happen, but this is you need. typically, it's not even just a take it. once a day. Typically, it's a daily. medication that you take at the same. time every day. You set an alarm on your. phone type of medication. Medical. guidelines for the drug read do not stop. taking Clonodine suddenly. It must be. tapered gradually over days to weeks to. avoid dangerous blood pressure spikes. and withdrawal. And even if you are to. miss more than one dose in a row, you. are instructed to call your doctor. immediately because you're at risk of. withdrawal symptoms. It does a lot of.

things to your blood pressure. You may. need to restart on a lower dose and then. work your way back up to your normal. dose than just going back at it to avoid. cardiovascular and behavioral problems. But Shantel is like, I just fell asleep. And I don't want to speculate, but I do. imagine that if the 16-year-old. stepbrother is eventually arrested and. charged for Anna's murder, and. potentially there is a trial where he is. even tried as an adult, I would imagine. that it's highly likely that the the. defense attorneys would use this as some.

sort of argument because with clonodine. withdrawal, you're expected to feel high. rates of irritability. Your behavioral. issues are going to be exacerbated. It's. just not going to be a good time. Just. like any drug withdrawal, it's not going. to be a good time. Does that mean that. you're not in the right state of mind. and that you are unable to think and. make conscious decisions? Probably not. But it seems like something that they. would probably use in this hypothetical. situation. It's speculated even by. Anna's grandparents that Anna was killed.

in that bar hold. And just to mention, even if someone is highly irritable, even if they are going through a drug. withdrawal, and I don't know, I think. everyone's biology is different, but but. to kill someone with a bar hold, you are. holding on for a very long time. To give. you an idea, one netzen explains, with. no blood to the brain, you're looking at. 10 to 20 seconds to pass out. But it. would still take another 4 to 5 minutes. for serious brain damage or even death. Notably, with these types of choke holds.

where you are physically restraining. oxygen from entering a person's brain, consciousness will be regained pretty. quickly as you let go. So, let's say. they fall unconscious after 30 seconds. If you let go, it's more likely that. they're going to regain consciousness. very quickly and not die. So, it's very. unlikely that you can choke someone for. 30 seconds and then they die. Unless. there's some sort of pre-existing. condition already there or other. circumstances we don't know about. It's. technically possible, but usually not. It's going to take like 5 minutes.

Another interesting detail to note is. everyone kind of gives this vibe that. the 16-year-old boy is, you know, some. tabloid news articles have described him. as having a baby face, as being a very. meek, young-looking little boy. In an. email from Shantel to her ex-husband, the stepbrother's dad, Thomas, she. writes that their son wants to start. doing jiu-jitsu. [music] So, she's going. to look into that. I don't know if he. started. And she also in another text. message thread after she takes their. kids to the hospital, Shantel informs.

her ex-husband that the stepbrother is. now 5'8. And just to give you more, I. guess, color to the whole picture, further messages shows. Thomas the 16-year-old son's report. card. So, she's sending Thomas both of. the minor report cards and for the. 16-year-old son and the 9-year-old girl. And Thomas responds, and we can't see. the report card. It's just attachments. So, these are screenshots. [gasps]. Thomas Hudson in this emergency custody. court filing. He drops like a 100 plus.

page document and half of it are just. text messages between him and Shantel. back from 2024 and leading up to just. like a few weeks ago, days, weeks after. the murder of Anna Keaptainner. >> Okay, >> so he's like using this all as proof of. like, I need to have custody of the. 9-year-old daughter. Here's all of our. text message exchanges. This I've never. really seen happen in a lot of cases. because you'll find out after usually. the indictment is when you get a lot of. information and then you're going into. trial. There's a lot of court hearings,

there's other news, there's the. investigators will talk, they'll do. interviews and that that's how you. gather information before a trial. starts. But this is so bizarre to have. text messages this early on in an. investigation where someone has not been. charged nor indicted is pretty rare. >> Interesting. So, there's a bunch of text. messages and it's just screenshots. So, we don't see the attachment. We don't. see the 16-year-old son's report card, but if you see Thomas' response, it's. interesting. He says, "What can we do. with our son? I'm glad his grades are.

passing, but attendance and no respect. Have you talked to him?" So, it seems. like the notes on the report card say he. has attendance issues and no respect. Shantel responds, "According to his. teachers, there have been no concerns. about respect or behavior. His grades. are good and most are close to B's. I. haven't received any reports indicating. an issue. Thomas responds in his report. card. It says it in the notes along with. his attendance and number of other. things. That's why I asked. To which. Shantel responds, please reread the. report card. It notes that he's very. respectful and there's nothing negative.

stated about his attendance. I've. already discussed with him the. importance of keeping up with his. homework. >> So, we don't know who is lying, who's. misreading, who's misinterpreting. Yeah, Thomas doesn't respond for 2 days and. then it's about an unrelated matter when. he finally does. But it would appear. that if anything, the 16-year-old. stepbrother has the physical. capabilities of killing his stepsister. We just don't know if he did it. Shantel. states later that the last time she. personally saw Anna Keaptainner [music]. was the night before. She says this is. around 6:30, just before 7:00 and quote,

"They were all headed back to their room. as far as I know.". >> Do you know whether or not was present. in the room as well? >> They all were head back to their room as. far as I know. So, she's indicating that. Anna, Anna's halfb brotherther, and the. stepbrother are heading back to their. room. And here's why I think this is. weird. Shantel also states that her room. is across the hall from the teenager's. room. She sees them all head back to the. room. And then she herself goes back to. her room at 7:30 p.m. She does not go. check up on the teenagers. She doesn't.

even give her son the medication. She. just goes to sleep. And she doesn't hear. any sort of screaming, any sort of. tumbling noises, no chairs being thrown. like the half brother reported that he. heard. Even the Tik Tocker, her sister. reported hearing screams of help. But. Shantel doesn't hear anything. She just. passes out for the night. Anna's. grandparents have since come out to do. their own interview where Anna's grandma. says, "We had dinner. Anna wasn't. feeling well. She just said, "Memo, I. think I'm going to go back to my room. for a little bit." And she must have.

felt better because she got dressed up. She came down. We were playing in the. casino. She didn't win anything. And she. said, "Mima, I love you guys. I'll see. you. I'll see you later." And um we. never saw her again after that. >> So you got Shantel's story where she's. saying, "I saw my son. I saw Anna and. her halfb brotherther all go to the room. together and then I went to sleep." And. then we have grandma saying, "Oh, at the. dinner Anna left because she wasn't. feeling well." And then later we saw. Anna in the casino because Anna's 18. She can be in the casino and she was. just hanging out and then she left. before we did. That's the last time we.

saw. Both of those things could be true. None of those things could be true. It's. just a little bit different. So, did. Anna go back alone because of her. braces? Or did they all go back. together? We don't know. Anna's grandpa. says the next morning after all of this, he's out there grabbing bingo cards. He's starting the morning with bingo. cards and he hears over the loudspeakers. that there's a medical emergency in the. state room that Anna is staying in. So, he starts freaking out. And the rest of. the family, they already seem to know. that something isn't right because. they're eating breakfast. Grandpa's not.

at breakfast. Apparently, he's getting. bingo cards. Everybody at breakfast is. like, "Where is Anna? Where is Anna?". And the half brother is like, "I don't. know. She didn't I didn't see her when I. went to sleep last night." Everyone's. like, "We haven't seen Anna. We haven't. seen her when we woke up." The half. brother's like, "I didn't see her when I. woke up. I thought she was coming. I. thought she was already out here. somewhere." So, they start freaking out. and they start searching the boat for. Anna. But, they don't go back to the. room to search for her. So, it might be. because maybe the half brother had. indicated he didn't see her that. morning. So, that makes sense to not. search that. And I guess you might be.

more scared of other people on the boat, other strangers on the boat, like creepy. older predators on the boat perhaps, than someone in the room. So, they start. searching this boat. I don't know where. they go, but they hear the emergency. intercom for the medical emergency. because the room attendant had gone into. that room to make the bed and to clean. up, and she finds Anna's body. So, they. all run back to the stateateroom where. the teenagers are staying and that is. where Anna is found. [music] Anna's. grandma says that she just keeps. screaming. She says, "I couldn't stop.

screaming." [music]. We don't know really anything else. We. don't know the exact time that Anna got. back to the room last night. We don't. know the time that the stepbrother went. back into the room. We don't know when. Anna's half brother went back into the. room. We really don't know anything. But. if. >> Is there cameras? >> There are. And it seems like something I. imagine the kind of information will be. easy for the FBI to determine and. verify, but it just it's very odd that. everybody's description is like a little. bit different. And again, they could all. make sense and they could have all been.

true. Maybe we're just not getting it. Maybe it's not explained in a way where. it feels as cohesive as it could be. >> And you said this nobody has been. arrested and this happened like what. weeks ago? >> November 7th. Months. >> Wo. >> Yeah. >> Huh. There are speculations as to why, like really crazy speculations, big. theories, conspiracies I would say, which we'll get into cuz you'll see once. I read you more text messages, it's a. little weirder. And the reason that we. know so much about this investigation so. far, because it probably would have been.

just radio silence up until this point. is because of the custody hearing, the. 100 plus page court filing that was done. by Thomas Hudson against Shantel Hudson. and the fight for the 9-year-old girl. that is right now in Shantel and Chris's. care. And there's this very revealing. text message inside of this entire. document where Thomas Hudson last year. had texted Shantel. I kept my mouth shut. when you told me that you can't.

jeopardize your marriage for helping. your son. And it seems like they're. referring to the 16-year-old boy. The. 16-year-old son. >> What could that mean? >> I don't know. >> Huh? Jeopardize? >> What does he mean that nobody knows. there? I mean, they have these very. splotchy text message exchanges where. they're talking about something very. serious and then they won't talk to each. other for a month and then they'll be. messaging each other about something. completely unrelated. Whether they have. phone conversations to fill in the caps, I don't know. Thomas Hudson alleges that. he has not been allowed to have input in. any of the minor children's lives, which.

has negatively impacted their kids. He. states, "Now, the stepbrother is quote, "The 16-year-old child is now a suspect. in the death of the stepchild during the. cruise." Then it continues on a later. page, "The 16-year-old's future has been. put in jeopardy because of the choices. made by the respondent, Shantel. Thomas. Hudson believes and states that now the. youngest child, their daughter, is quote. at immediate risk of abuse, abandonment, or neglect." However, Shantel is arguing. the opposite, that Thomas Hudson is a. very bad person to place minor children. in the care of, stating that the.

children themselves have been terrified. of him since even beginning of 2024. Her. attorneys argue at a recent hearing that. at one point Thomas had trackers on the. kids. He came to the minor children once. yelling and screaming at them to get. their ass out and come see him. quote, "He arrived at the respondent's. residence and started screaming and. yelling to the other two minor children. to get their ass out there to come and. and see him." He was very vulgar and. rude with them. And so there was a.

natural fear that these children had. about going there. [music]. >> Shantel and her attorney alleged that if. anyone is alienating any of the children. from their parents, it's Thomas. that he. has not allowed Shantel to have any. access to their eldest son, Andrew, who. is now 18 years old, by the way, but he. was 17 for the longest time. She claims. that they were not allowing her to see. him. [music] Shantel's attorney argues. Thomas is in violation of the very. agreement that he's accusing mom of. being in violation of. You cannot ask to. hold somebody in contempt of an order.

that they're not themselves in. compliance with. But more than that, both of them have agreed to place the. 16-year-old son in the care of a third. party. So Shantel argues, "How can their. daughter be in danger from her. 16-year-old brother if he's not even in. the house anymore?" About a month after. Anna's murder, Chris and Shantel walk. into the courthouse for this custody. hearing, holding hands. Chris's. daughter, Anna, had maybe potentially. been murdered by Shantel's 16-year-old. son. >> That's crazy.

>> The attorney for Thomas Hudson, the. stepbrother's biological father. So this. is this Yeah, Thomas. The attorney. states in short, "Your honor, in this. case, obviously it is our position that. the youngest child is at risk for a. number of reasons. As the court is aware. through the pleadings, there's a young. lady who's passed away. That matter is. still under investigation. That was not. my client's child, but the stepchild of. the mother in this case, and the. remaining 16-year-old is now a suspect. in that case." So, this is how we figure. out that the 16-year-old is a suspect.

The FBI doesn't tell us. The court. hearings tell us. [music] The mother. took the children both on a cruise. against my client's wishes. >> In this case, the mother took the. children both. on a cruise against my client's wishes. There's indications that they because. they were in international waters may. have been engaging in activities that. they normally couldn't engage in while. they were in the United States properly. being supervised. The attorney accuses. or rather insinuates that Shantel let.

the children drink on the cruise, stating there's indications that they. may have, because they were all in. international waters, may have been. engaging in activities that they. normally couldn't engage in while they. were on the US [music] properly being. supervised. To which Shantel and her. attorney argue, >> we believe, and I think we filed that in. our response, that there's no emergency. that exists. Um there was an incident on. the cruise ship. >> Like what does this have to do with. anything? which is kind of like the. understatement that everybody has a. distaste for. But they continue, the.

Federal Bureau of Investigations is. investigating that. There have been no. arrests made yet, but since my client. Shantel were advised that the. stepbrother was the suspect in this. after he was released from the hospital. So, this is when we're finding out that. after they disembark, he immediately is. put on a psychold or some sort of. psychiatric evaluation in a hospital and. then he's placed in the care of a third. party. And not only did that happen, but. mom contacted dad and dad signed an. agreement to say that the child would be. placed with a third party, thereby.

removing any risk of danger to any of. the other children in the house. So that. has been resolved. At this point, we're. not sure what the FBI is going to do, whether he's going to be charged. federally or whether they're going to. turn it over to the state. So this seems. like there's likely going to be an. arrest made. the way that they're. phrasing it. I I I feel like if they're. they were more confident that he was. potentially not guilty, the word usage. would have been much stronger. Like. everyone's a suspect, doesn't mean. anything. Okay. But instead, it's like. we don't know if he's going to get.

charged federally or in state. >> It's kind of like, okay, we're getting a. little bit of information of how this. case is being handled behind the scenes, and it seems like, you know, something. might happen soon. Shantel also disputes. the idea that the children were drinking. alcohol, stating, >> "Do you know if the children, based on. being in international waters, could. could I drink alcohol?". >> No. >> You don't know? >> No, they they they didn't. They're not. old enough. She's asked about Anna, who's 18. >> What about um Anna?

>> I don't know. >> I think Okay, I don't know if I'm. reading too much into it. I just think. it's weird because Anna's family have. already come out to state that there was. no alcohol in her system. So, why don't. you just say no? Or why don't you just. say no, there was no alcohol in her. system. Or not that I know of, but just. like I don't know. It just gave me I. don't know. Anna's crazy and my boy is. not. I know he was not drinking. >> Because then she's asked again. Were you. aware that the children were gambling at. some point? >> Weren't you aware that the the children. were were gambling at some point? >> Well, Anna's 18, so I know she was in.

there at one point in time, but the. other kids were not. >> You're sure that the other kids were not. gambling? I'm sure the other kids who. are not gambling, >> which again, I am, if anything, a. nitpicker at the end of the day. Okay, some people pick and choose their. battles. I like to nitpick. And when it. comes to these things, this is not an. insinuation of guilt or innocence, but. the way she talks about Anna feels very, well, that's not my child. She's 18. It's just weird. She just overly. emphasizes that Anna is 18 and she was. in the casino. It just gave me a very. unsettling feeling. Her attorney asks.

her, Anna was 18, correct? Correct. She. was an adult. Correct. And was she given. the option of staying in another room? All three of the kids were. And that. room would have been with grandma and. grandpa. Correct. And they didn't want. to do that. No, they wanted to stay. together, which again, I don't know how. that would be feasible because if Anna. leaves the room, then you don't have an. adult in the room, and that could have. posed a problem. Thomas Hudson gets on. the stand. So, this is the boy's father, >> and he states that he never prohibited. their eldest son from calling Shantel.

He just the eldest son did not want to. talk to Shantel. Quote, "He has his own. phone and I've always left that up to. him if he wants to call her, talk to. her, or anything." Now, Andrew, the. eldest son, becomes very pivotal in all. of this for a few reasons. The attorney. asks Thomas Hudson to describe an. incident where Shantel and Chris. allegedly kidnap Andrew and choke him. >> What [snorts] the attorney states he. Andrew will testify about the restraint. that happened by Mr. Chris Keaptainner. and by Shantel. Basically, they held him.

in the back of the seat. Christopher. Keaptainner had reached back and had his. head pinned against the back of the. headrest. And there's photographs to. show neck damage. >> Wait, Andrew testified? What is. happening? >> Andrew does testify. He gets up on the. stand and he is 17 when Shantel and. Chris get married and they move in. together. Shantel is trying to take all. three kids with her. But Andrew is 17. and he bargains with his mom. He's like, "I want to stay back because not only. are you just moving in with this like.

man and all of his kids. I want to stay. in the high school that I've been going. to with the friends that I I'm about to. graduate. I'm a senior. Like, this is. crazy for me to move to a different. county right when I'm about to. graduate." So, he convinces Shantel that. he's going to stay with Thomas. And then. eventually, I think at one point, he. explains to Shantel that even after. graduating high school, he might want to. stay with his dad. [music] And that is. when, according to Andrew and Thomas, hits the fan. He's asked, "How did. your mother respond to that? This. revelation that you want to stay with.

your dad even after graduating high. school?". >> She said that this is what she was. afraid of and that this is why she. didn't want me staying over here. >> Fast forward to the incident on April. 22nd, 2024. Do you roughly remember that. day? Andrew says, "Yes." What happened. on that day? >> I was called up to the front office and. I originally didn't know what was going. on, so I came up without my stuff. realized my mom was there to pick me up. So, I had to go back to my classroom and. grab my stuff. And when I walked out to.

the car with them, they asked for me to. give them my phone. And they powered off. my phone and then told me, >> "Let me stop you right there. Did you. have any knowledge or idea that your. mother was going to school to get you on. that particular day?" "No, sir." Were. you surprised that you saw your mother? Yes, sir. Was Christopher Keaptainner. there as well? I don't remember if he. was in the office at the time, but he. was in the car. He says once he gets. into the car, they take his phone, they. power it off because he has Life 360, which means his dad can see his location. in real time, but if the phone is off,

you cannot see the location. Andrew. says, >> "I was going to try to text my dad, but. I couldn't because they had my phone and. I couldn't communicate with anybody.". >> He's asked, "Did you want to go with. your mother and Christopher Keaptainner. on that day?" No, sir. Was that against. your will? Yes, sir. Which again, I have. a lot of reason to trust Andrew. Not. just because Andrew is stating it, which. I do think that I should trust that to a. great degree, but also because there are. emails from Thomas Hudson to Shantel. that read, I don't think you understand. what you put him through. Referring to.

Andrew, I was hoping we were making. steps in the right direction. Of course, he's comfortable to go with me, but not. with people that forcibly took him. against his will. Shantel does not. immediately refute this over the. messages. And Thomas continues to say. that it's very hard for Andrew to spend. time with his siblings. It's already. hard enough for Andrew to see you, who. he feels very uncomfortable with because. you, his mom, basically tried to kidnap. him, but he definitely doesn't want to. see Chris, who also tried to kidnap him. And like, what the hell does Chris have.

anything to do with it? Chris has. nothing to do with Andrew. Thomas writes. to Shantel, I meant Chris being there in. general is what Andrew doesn't want. It's rough enough on him with you there. So, they're arranging for the three. siblings to hang out. But, you know, Thomas is saying Andrew doesn't really. like seeing you. He definitely doesn't. like seeing Chris. So, it's just rough. Why does Andrew dislike Chris so much? The attorney asks Andrew in court. So, what happened once you were in that. vehicle and they took your phone. I give. them my phone. They powered it off. They. told me where I was going, that I was. going to start school over there, which.

was against everything we've talked. about. I told them no, I wasn't. And. when we tried to come to a stop, I had. tried getting out. was what was your. intention of trying to get out of the. vehicle once it came to a stop? Trying. to get out of the vehicle so they. couldn't take me away from everything. And then what did Chris Kavner do at. that point? >> They had held me against the seat and he. put his arm around the back of my neck, hold me up against the front seat. She. held me there as well. >> He's in the back seat and they. >> Yeah. put his like head up against the.

front seat headrest. >> They were also in the back seat. >> They had gotten out. >> Wow. Was your mother still in the front. seat or did she go to the back seat? >> At that time, she had crawled to the. back seat and started holding me. >> And then Christopher Keaptainner, what. exactly did he do with his arm? >> He put his arm around my neck, like. pushed me up against the front seat. >> And did you remain conscious the whole. time or did you black out? >> I believe I blacked out once or twice. all the way over there. >> This is I mean eventually he does make. it back to his dad's, but Shantel says.

that's not at all what happened. Shantel's version of the story is I mean. Andrew was just being dramatic. He. jumped out of the car because he wanted. to be with his girlfriend that you know. goes to that high school and this is. like a boy in love. It's not an abusive. violent situation. >> who jumps out of the car for no reason. >> In an email from Shantel to Thomas, she's trying to invite Andrew, their. eldest child, you know, to SeaWorld with. the other kids. So he's like, "The. younger minor kids want to go to. SeaWorld and they want their older. brother there." And I don't know why. this irks me so much, but it does.

Shantel responds, "We have church. tomorrow. If Andrew truly wants to see. redacted and redacted, we will be at. Aquatic next Saturday, and we'll gladly. give him a ticket in." I don't know why. It's like, "That's your son. Like, gladly give him a ticket in." It's just. weird. Her energy is just weird. And. Thomas is so much more focused on the. fact that Chris is going to be there, understandably so. So, he writes, "Okay, Andrew doesn't want Chris there. Will. that be a problem? I just don't want any. stressful situation for any of the kids. This is going to be a lot for them as it.

is. Shantel responds. So, it's okay for. Andrew to go to SeaWorld with his. girlfriend last weekend, but not spend. time with his brother and sister doing. the same thing. Something that both of. them have repeatedly asked and invited. Andrew to go to either Aquatica or. SeaWorld. It gives them something to do. that is longer than an hour. You keep. bringing up Chris. Never once did I say. he was trying to hang out with Andrew. Yes, he will be there and he will be. going with from here on out per Redacted. and Redacted's request, but that doesn't. mean that he will be interacting with. Andrew. We are not trying to corner. Andrew, which that doesn't mean. anything. Him being there is the problem.

that Thomas brought up. And she's just. saying like, what do you mean? He's not. trying to hang out with him. But that's. not the concern. Thomas Hudson has just. dumped all of this along with other. messages. And there does seem to be. evidence pointing to perhaps Shantel. alienating the two minor kids. At least. that's what Thomas is indicating in this. court filing. He keeps messaging her. I. haven't seen my kids since April. I. haven't talked much with everything. that's happened. When can we get things. back on track to how they're supposed to. be? We will still not be able to have.

holidays together in my opinion after. all you've said I've done to you and to. the kids. He writes, "Why would you ever. be okay with me being in your house when. I was trespassing?" So, it seems like. he's saying your lie doesn't make sense. or your alleged lie doesn't make sense. And then the way that you're finally. okay with it again doesn't make sense. And then he responds again, just for. showing up for my kid and told I wasn't. supposed to be there. Help me understand. that. In one text message to Shantel, Thomas writes again. You know what's. going on. It's going to come to light.

Redacted and redacted are just scared to. upset you, not them afraid of me. That's. straight from the source. I love my kids. and will not give up on them. It's been. a long time coming. >> Seems like there's so much going on. >> Yeah, >> right. >> Okay. Okay, so Shantel, I don't know if. there was a phone conversation or what, but she just ignores that message. And. she responds, "Please let me know if you. will not be paying child support this. week. Redacted 9-year-old daughter wants. to go get her Halloween costume. Just. trying to figure out if I can swing it. this weekend or need to wait till next.". Thomas responds, "I'm going to hold back.

on child support and go through the. courts or until things get back in. session, I'll be holding my payments.". So, I just want to clarify that you are. withholding child support. You have made. it clear that our set in place parenting. plan is no longer valid to you. So, I'm. going to be going through the proper. channels to get things done properly. moving forward. So, he's saying, "I'm. not going to pay you child support if I. can't even see my kids," which is what. we agreed upon. And this is, you know, from October to December 2024, it seems. like Shantel is mainly ignoring Thomas. and all of his pleas to see the minor.

kids. He's asking to drop off their. birthday presents, at least talk to the. youngest daughter for her birthday. And. then finally, you see, December of 2024, Thomas text Shantel, you should really. think about what you're doing and. understand what I know. Especially for. someone who wants to marry a guy that. might not want to find more out about. things with people. I just want to see. my kids. And you can live your lie. I. don't care. >> Will you say that one more time with the. marry a guy who wants to find out. things? >> Yeah. I will say a lot of their messages.

don't make sense and their grammar is um. not spectacular at all, but that's what. he writes. Especially. >> implying, >> I have no clue. A lot of these are. without context, especially for someone. who wants to marry a guy that might not. want to find more out about things with. people. >> Oh, like she has more secrets that Okay. Hm. >> But I think the main takeaway from these. messages, at least from Thomas's. perspective and from what a lot of. people see online, it seems like. Shantela is maybe the type of woman who.

puts relationships ahead of her kids and. might not pay as much attention to her. children and their well-being, clearly. cuz look what happened on the cruise. ship. But also, it might prioritize her. romantic relationships with men that she. just meets over her own children. I'm. also not sure if he intended to write. lie like you can live your lie I don't. care or if he meant to write life but I. guess both are applicable later when. Shantel still doesn't respond Thomas.

writes to her did you figure out what. you want or did you come clean to Chris. about your tough times and who you miss. I'm tired of keeping things to myself. when you lie about me. So this makes it. seem like maybe she reached out to. someone saying that she misses them. Maybe it's Thomas. Maybe it's somebody. else. I don't know because it's who you. miss. And then it seems that for most of. 2025 they move on to a different. communication platform where I believe. Shantel learns how to run her messages. through probably chat GBT. The grammar. is suddenly very formal. And while I. have always been a fan of M dashes.

before it became, I guess a tell signal. for AI writing, she suddenly starts. incorporating quite a bit of M dashes. that I had never seen in her messages. prior. Is that a crime? No. I'm just. saying it's like reading two separate. people's messages. >> Really? >> Her text messages. It's like she doesn't. know the difference between there, there, and there, but then all of a. sudden it's just chat GBT on this. parenting app. Yeah. >> So interesting. >> But some notable messages include. Shantel stating that the two children, the two younger children do not want to. see Thomas. Thomas writes things such.

as, "Hopefully, we go to court soon for. everything to come to light in the best. interest of the kids." So in the. messages, Shantel keeps saying, "The. kids are scared of you. The kids are. very terrified of you. They don't want. to see you and you are doing this and. this and this." And Thomas just keeps. saying, "I can't wait to go to court so. that everyone will know the truth, so I. don't know what's the truth." And at one. point, judging from what we can infer. from the messages that are in the court. filing, it appears that the stepbrother, the 9-year-old girl were sharing a. phone. Thomas is concerned that the boy.

is not relaying messages from him to. their daughter. There are just a lot of. messages in between the two talking. about their children that we just don't. get a lot of context on. And so I'm just. going to try to fill in as many blanks. as possible. And there's no definitive, oh, this person is right based off of. these text messages. At one point, judging from what we can infer in one. short conversation, it appears that. Thomas is talking to Shantel about how. the two minor kids are sharing a phone. And he keeps trying to reach out to the.

daughter, but he feels that his son is. not giving the message to the daughter. and he says, "If possible, I would like. to talk to our daughter because I'm sure. he, the 16-year-old son, has not been. telling her or showing her the messages. I've sent, especially since I seen how. he and you acted at the recital with the. flowers, taking them and breaking them. apart while you were walking out. I'd. like a way to directly contact her." We. can infer that Thomas had brought. flowers for the 9-year-old daughter at. some sort of recital, and he is claiming.

through this message that he saw Shantel. and their son walking away and breaking. the flowers and not giving it to her. This is in July of 2025. Shantel. responds in short about the flowers. specifically. Also, I'm not sure what. you're referring to about her flowers. being broken. They were placed in a vase. as soon as we got home. I don't. appreciate the implication that we. damaged them because that's simply not. true. Thomas responds, "I watched it. happen. I watched it happen with the. flowers and it will be shown, but that's. besides the point. Can you at least. relay the message to her that I sent? Hopefully all of this is settled and.

done soon. It's not for a really long. time after that Shantel finally texts. Thomas back. [music] And this time it's. after Anna's murder and she texts him, "I need you to call me ASAP. It's an. emergency." And there seems to be a lot. of phone conversations taking place, so. we only just have messages. But in one. message, Thomas responds, "I know it's. probably a no, but can I come get our. daughter tonight just to get her away. from the situation? I promise you, I'm. not going to keep her from you or. anything. As soon as you guys are able. to head home, I can bring her to you. Or. is there anything else I can do?" To.

which Shantel responds, "I really do. appreciate and I'm not trying to be any. witch way, but I just think it would be. more traumatizing for her to be removed. as of right now. She doesn't know. anything about the stepbrother being, I. guess, suspected. The only thing I told. her is that he was having a hard time. coping with losing Anna. So, he's. getting checked out at the hospital. Okay. Well, I'm not trying to push it, but the offer is there if you, you know, when you find more out and we have to. handle things. When we have to cross. that bridge, we you and I will come up. with a way to tell her and Andrew. Okay. I will call you tomorrow as soon as I.

hear anything. Okay. Were you able to. talk to our son? I'm waiting on the FBI. and also the doctor to call me as soon. as I know something. I promise that I. will tell you. As soon as I know. anything, you will be the only one that. I will be calling. I get that, but I. mean, have you talked to him while he. was at the facility? I was able to talk. to him last night for under two minutes. briefly. He just keeps repeating over. and over he doesn't remember anything. I. don't even know if they, you know, were. allowed to let me talk to him or not. But the nurse was very nice and let me. talk to him just to tell him that you.

and I love him. Okay? I just want him to. know that he isn't just dead to everyone. regardless of everything. At the moment, he needs his parents. I know you know. that. I just would like to have a chance. to talk to him as soon as possible. We, Chris, me, and Chris's parents told him. that yesterday before they took him. We. told him, "No matter what, you and us. are with him. He isn't alone." Why would. Chris and his parents say that? >> Yeah, cuz Yeah. Chris's daughter and. their granddaughter just were murdered. >> Yeah. >> And he's the prime suspect right now.

That's so like. >> I don't know if I would sit there and. like start immediately filing for. divorce. I mean, I don't think that I. would blame anyone if they did either, but that's that's besides the point. But. I think it's weird to behave in such a. way without getting information unless. unless and I I don't know if I'm being. way too hopeful because from what I've. seen so far online, I think that I am. being way too giving them the benefit of. the doubt. Perhaps Chris and his parents. are playing the good guys to get more. information out of Shantel to help the.

authorities, but I don't think that's. the case. But that would be the best. case scenario because it's just a little. weird that right off the bat they're so. like we're with you no matter what. I. want you to know we're standing by. It's. weird. >> But again, maybe Shantel's lying. Maybe. none of this conversation even took. place. Okay. I know everything is. supposed to be hush hush for now, but. I've seen that it's still getting out. with posts and comments between. Facebook, Tik Tok, and stuff. I just. want to make sure until things are. certain that he doesn't get any. unnecessary comments towards him.

Shantel responds. Nobody knows anything. about him. He is a minor, so his name. shouldn't be anywhere. And when we talk. to the FBI again, we will reiterate that. we do not want his name out there. And. everything that's been posted on TikTok. and social media, nobody knows anything. and everybody's just speculating. We. know what I told you last night and. we'll know exactly more when the autopsy. is done. Once we get the autopsy today, depending on what it says depends on. whether he's booked on these charges, and you will start seeing Anna's name. I. understand. And no, his name wasn't. mentioned in it. Just want you to be. aware if you weren't aware. What exactly.

did you tell Andrew? I don't want to say. something to him if you haven't told. him. I've told him what I know, so he. doesn't hear or see all the theories. that are on social media that I've seen. I mean, there's a lot going on. He is. okay, just kind of still hard for him to. believe. Okay, he was asking me. I just. didn't want to mention our son if you. hadn't. So, he's like, "Did you mention. to Andrew that his little brother is a. suspect?" Shantel is like, "Okay, because he was asking me. I just didn't. want to say anything if you hadn't said. anything." I did. I didn't want anything. else to be said online. I feel like he. needs to be told the truth by us just so. nothing is twisted. He knows not to tell.

anyone. Can I please talk to our. daughter when you get a chance, just for. a little while? I won't say anything. about her brother. I just want to tell. her that I love her. I will call you. back in a few. We are on the phone with. the FBI victim specialist. Okay. November 10th, 2025. So, this is like 2. days after Anna's death. Thomas asks. Shantel, "Anything new?" The FBI is on. the way here now to talk to us and we. should be hearing from the doctor at. around 11:00 a.m. She later explains. that the FBI came to talk to them, but. while they're talking, Shantel gets a. call from the son's doctor. She goes to.

talk to the doctor and quote, "I also. talked to the doctor in the middle of. the FBI, so I don't know what was all. said with the FBI. I left talk with the. doctor. As of right now, it's a good. possibility that he will be released on. Wednesday from the hospital." November. 10th, 2 p.m. Thomas informed Shantel. They're calling me already from the. news. If they got my number, that means. they will find my mom's. I'm going to. have to tell her around what's going on. and tell her not to talk to anyone. Just. a heads up. Shantel sends him the. contact for an attorney. And later that. day, Thomas asks Shantel if she's busy.

I'm with my pastor. Can it wait till. tomorrow? We are about to be in the home. and this is the first time we will be. home without our son and Anna. We don't. know how it's going to be. Okay. Then a. few days later, Thomas asks Shantel. again if he can talk to their daughter. and she says, "I spoke with her. At this. time, she doesn't want to talk. I let. her know that you care about her and. that you love her. >> H So he the the they just won't let. Thomas talk to the the young daughter. >> Yeah. >> Huh. >> I mean it could be as simple as the.

daughter has bad experiences with Thomas. and does not like her biological father. It could be more on the conspiratorial. side of things that people have been. stating that it is kind of odd that. Shantel who really I mean this is like. really conspiratorial and just out of. pocket I will say but some netizens are. just saying it's odd that Shantel who. prioritizes her marriage over everything. just won't send her 9-year-old daughter. to go back to be with her biological dad. so that she can probably comfort Chris.

and like make things right with Chris. I. don't know. Right. So, they're just. saying like it's just all around weird. No one knows what's true. Is Thomas bad? Is Shantel bad? Is every single one of. them bad? >> I mean, I think across the board, it's. pretty clear that Shantel is not good. Thomas responds, "I want to hear it from. her with everything going on. Shantel, I. need to hear her. I understand where. you're coming from, but I cannot force. her to talk to you." Then, November. 21st, the daughter does not go on her. scheduled weekend with [music] Thomas. We don't know exactly what transpires, but we do have clues. Thomas emailed.

Shantel. Per our parenting time, I want. it known that you did not allow our. daughter to go on my weekend. Yes, I. understand she's going through a lot, but it's my time. That being said, I. deal with you, the parent, not your. spouse. So, I suppose Chris informed. Thomas that he's not going to be getting. his daughter for the weekend. Shantel. responds, "She refused to get out of the. car. I did not withhold her from your. parenting time. The decision was made. based on her emotional state." Thomas. responds, "No, the decision was made by. your spouse closing the door and saying. to get away. Yes, she said she didn't. want to, but she is going through a lot.

I asked for your help to make it easier. Again, you're the mother. I deal with. you, not your spouse. Your spouse has no. rights. That being said, I will request. that he not be present next meet since. he is not capable of allowing the. parents handling the exchange. Shantel. responds, "I'm sorry she didn't want to. go with you. I know I had encouraged her. to. I don't believe her reluctance has. anything to do with Chris being there. She's simply been through so much lately. with Anna's passing and her brother. being gone. The funeral was last night. and this is an incredibly difficult time. for her. She will be doing counseling. through DCF to help with cope with her.

grief and I'm hopeful she'll reach a. place where she feels ready to spend. time with you. I will continue to. encourage her to go. Thomas hits back. As I stated, I understand, but there is. still a parenting plan in place. I am. her father. As you yourself said about. this 16-year-old son, we are the parents. and we need to help our kids. I kept my. mouth shut when you told me that you. can't jeopardize your marriage for. helping your son. You look scared. tonight and you need to know that my. kids come before anyone. Even though I. haven't been able to see them for almost. 2 years, I will never hesitate. See you. in two weeks for the next meet for our. daughter. I hope things are more civil. and you, the mother, can speak for.

yourself. And your attorney explains to. you how things are eventually going to. go. Hope I can speak and [music] see our. daughter soon. Throughout this, Shantel. has no problem still ranting to Thomas. throughout this like weird custody. battle exchange about post online. November 17th, Shantel texts Thomas. Some posted something. It seems. like she's referring to Martin Donahghue. and it appears, [music] you know, that. could be the case. Thomas responds, "His. family, not Chris's family, the. ex-wife's family." So, she's like, "It's. not Chris's family, it's Tabitha's. family." Well, part of his kids. So,

Thomas is like still his family cuz. Tabitha is the mother of his other two. kids. So, this is like their uncle. >> Mhm. >> The conversation stops there and then. they resume talking about something. else. And during the custody hearing, um, Shantel does testify briefly. I. mean, there's not really crazy explosive. questions being asked by either party. because ultimately this is a custody. hearing. This is not to do with the FBI. investigation, but Shantel has to get up. there and she has to answer a few select. questions about this cruise to see if. that she is a fit parent for the. 9-year-old daughter. She has the.

emotional aspect of drywall. >> And um at some point, did you discover. that one of the children had passed. away? >> Yes. >> And when was that that you discovered. that? >> Friday morning. She does not appear like. she cares much about what happened. And. side note, because I just like to be in. weird people. >> Is this recorded or is this like just. transcript? >> No, it's live streamed. >> Oh, it's a Wow. >> Yeah. >> And I just like to be in people's. businesses. And we did a foyer request.

and it states that in 2024 there was a. civil case opened against Shantel. >> from. >> from Thomas's mom. >> Thomas's mom. >> Okay. So, the kid's paternal. grandmother. >> Yeah. and Michelle is her name, accuses. Shantel of taking one of her guns and. not returning them. In a sworn. statement, she also attaches an email. that she had sent Shantel in 2024. And. the email reads in short, "Hello, Shantel. I'm following up on our. conversation from June 5th, 2024 at. Hernando County Court's third floor, where at [music] which time I gave you a. formal letter requesting the return of.

my guns, or you will be held responsible. for the cost of replacing them." if it. stated the guns and serial numbers at. which time you admitted to having guns. saying that you had the bills of sale at. which time your attorney took the letter. as you said I have the bill of sale and. I have replied that you may have the. bill of sale in your possession but if. you and your attorney read it you will. not see anywhere on there that says the. guns are to go to you she's basically. saying these are not your guns in fact. it states that they are to go to Thomas. her son andrew her eldest grandson since.

they are still registered to myself I. need them back until I personally go. with them to transfer ownership. And. then in parenthesis, it has the. 16-year-old stepbrother's name and it. reads, "And that redacted gun is being. held in a safe by Todd Hall.". >> The 16-year-old's gun. >> Yeah. >> is being held. >> in a safe by Todd Hall. I mean, this is. Florida. Maybe they go hunting. These. are hunting. I don't know. But I do want. to note it was just interesting to know. that he has a gun, has some probably.

experience firing a gun, and allegedly. Anna had reported to those close to her. that she was scared of the stepbrother. because he always carried around a big. knife, >> right? >> And he wanted to learn how to play or do. jiu-jitsu. >> But interestingly, in another email. screenshot that's included in the filing. of the civil lawsuit, Michelle goes on. to include she messages Shantel, "Thank. you. Please give my grandson and my. granddaughter all our love. We have all. loved and miss them dearly. It is. absolutely a very sad and heartbreaking. ordeal they have been placed in. They.

should in no way be hurt or manipulated. in the ways that they have. I know as. well as you know that they love their. father very much and they are absolutely. in no fear of him and were not in fear. of him prior to you manipulating, controlling, and brainwashing them for. the past month. It's devastating and. upsetting. Please stop. Step back and. look at what's best for these kids. They. need their family. I don't understand. why you feel displacing them from their. family, their friends, school, everything they loved and knew is. helpful to them when clearly it's done. nothing but damage them. I pray everyone. get help, including yourself. I never.

thought the day would come that you. would become the person you've become. and that is simply the person you've. despised growing up yourself. Please get. help. You know firsthand how hurtful it. is when your parent manipulates family. members to keep them out of your life. You yourself said you blocked 10 years. of your childhood abuse because of what. your mother did. Please, [music] God, do. not do that to my grandchildren. Your. children, Thomas' children need the. entire family. We all love them. Stop. [music] this craziness. Please. The. civil lawsuit has since been dismissed. However, just 6 months later, Shantel.

and Chris get married officially. And. almost a year after that, Anna. Keaptainner is murdered. I mean, a lot. of people think that both Shantel and. Thomas suck, you know. Uh, one comment. reads, "The parents don't even seem. surprised or emotional that their son is. being accused of something so horrific, and it seems like both of them know that. something is coming. [music] On. Thanksgiving, Thomas finally gets to see. his daughter in his care, and he asks. Shantel if he [music] can take the. daughter to go see the stepbrother, the. 16-year-old son.

>> H. >> with Andrew, stating that it might be. the last chance for a long time for, I. guess, [music] all three kids to be. together.". >> That is true, huh? Nobody has said much. about the stepson or the the son. >> No, I just think that every single. person all the adults in this story just. suck. I think I. >> that is one thing like I feel like. nobody's talking about so far. Like even. during all of this like nobody is is. angry for Anna and nobody is shocked or.

surprised or or confused about the sun. Like there's that these emotion that we. are all feeling. Nobody's showing that. >> Yeah. Okay, let me run you through all. of the emotions that are being showed. and it's just so bizarre. Clearly, everybody grieavves differently. And I. mean, it's it's just we can't really. dictate how someone is going to express. those emotions, but he's just put out. very formal statements saying basically. nothing of he hopes for justice. If the. stepson is guilty, he's going to want.

justice. things of that nature, but. nothing particularly emotional, nothing. that expresses any sort of anger or. shock or disgust at the situation or. even like deep loss for Anna. Any of the. words that are being chosen to describe. Anna, it feels very bland. Nothing about. it feels like, okay, this is someone who. deeply understands her as a person and. [music] understands the impact that she. had and now she's gone. It's very like. she was so bubbly, she was so this, and. that's [music] about it. So that's weird.

with Chris Kapner. Heather, Anna's. biological mother that Anna has posted. many of Tik Toks about saying that she. has never really had her mother in her. life. How her mother had abandoned her. and turned to drugs and just left her, alienated her, like all of these things. Heather has come back. She's doing news. interviews and it's become again another. contentious divorce thing. She says that. she had to wear a wig to Anna's funeral. because Chris Keaptainner wanted to get. her arrested for back payments on child. support.

>> He told me that when I told him I was. coming down there, he said that um that. he knew for a fact that Anna would not. want me there. And I said, "That's a. lie." I was like, "Um, but whatever.". And he goes, "If you step foot in. Florida, I will have you arrested. immediately for bad child support.". Yeah. I wore a wig and I wore some. really tall high heels. So that way, you. know, if he was looking for somebody. short, he wouldn't see me. >> I don't know if that is a real threat. Chris Keaptainner had. But then she. comes out to tell the world that she had.

to wear a wig to her daughter's funeral. And people are like, I feel like the. way, this is what netizens are saying, the way that she's describing wearing a. wig, it almost feels like, haha, Chris, I got you. Like, you told me I couldn't. come, but I went. It feels again not. about Anna. So, people just hate both of. them for that reason. Tabitha and her. family seem to be the only ones that are. showing perhaps maybe misplaced anger in. terms of maybe they shouldn't have been. on X, maybe they should have been with. federal investigators, maybe they should. have been on X, I don't know, right? But.

they seem to be the only ones that show. very genuine feelings of anger towards. the situation. And Tabitha was in Anna. Keaptainner's life from when she was 3. to 16 years old. Anna Keaptainner's. ex-boyfriend Josh also has been one to. come out to say that no, the stepbrother. is weird and he's creepy. It doesn't. seem like there's any ulterior motive. It's not like he's getting paid for any. interviews. So, that seems to be a very. genuine feeling that he has. Now, then. you go on to Anna Keaptainner's Mima and. Papa, the grandparents. I mean, these.

are people that she posted about on. TikTok, and she loves her grandparents, and they are out here saying, "Well, he's a good kid. He plays soccer." And I. believe that he doesn't remember what. happened. And that is crazy to me. In. fact, just don't make a statement. If. that's what you believe, I just wouldn't. make a statement. >> How old are they? Like. >> I mean, they don't look that old. >> No, like 80s. >> Oh, no. But they look maybe like 60s. >> Okay. >> They look young. >> Okay. >> So, it's it's just very odd behavior. I.

don't understand it. Again, the only way. I could justify it in my mind is like. maybe Mima is undercover. Maybe she's. trying to get Shantel to trust her so. that she can blow the lid and tell the. feds everything. But I don't think so. That's not the vibe she's giving. >> Yeah. >> Then you have Shantel Keaptainner who's. sitting here like doesn't care. Has the. emotional depth of drywall that has not. even been painted with a pretty color. It's just it's flat. She doesn't care. Even the way that she a lot of netizens. are trying to figure out what kind of.

personality Shantel is. And it seems. like she prioritizes her romantic. relationships. She's clearly not a good. mom. I don't think you could ever in any. sense of the word call her a good parent. and [music] that's an opinion but she. just seems like a person. And then. you have Thomas Hudson who seems like. okay maybe his heart is in the right. place but again we don't know because we. don't know if Shantel is lying and. alienating the minor kids or if they. genuinely are scared of Thomas Hudson. So that's like a problem there. But on. top of that, the bigger problem is in.

these court filings, I mean, all the. minor kids names unredacted. The name, the full name of the person. that this 16-year-old stepson is staying. with, fully unredacted in the court. filings, just like everyone knows. everybody. >> So, so much for saying that you're upset. that people are talking about it on. TikTok. >> You're the one that's putting out all of. this unredacted. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I see. So, it's. like again, it just feels like everyone. is doing their own thing and they all.

maybe they truly believe in their own. hearts that they're doing it for the. kids, but it seems like all they're. doing is hurting the kids like every. step of the way. >> Got it. Yeah. >> That just seems And then from there to. here, I don't know if really any of them. have come out in a way that felt. impactful towards Anna's life and who. she was as a person. In fact, what's. crazy in the obituary, they included the. stepbrother's name cuz it's like she. leaves behind a family who adored her. endlessly and then it lists a bunch of.

people including Shantel Keaptainner, her mother Heather Wright, her Mima and. Papa, Barbara and Jeff Keaptain, her. siblings Andrew, and then you know all. of their names. And then they took out. his name later. They also took out. Martin's name cuz Martin's name was in. there too. The uncle that made that. angry post. [sighs]. >> What is this? I think it's odd that they. would even include Shantel in her side. of the family. First of all, they've. only been Anna's step siblings for like. two years, a year really, legally. speaking. >> Yeah. And Chris did this, right? Wrote.

this. >> We don't know if Chris did it. We don't. know if Shantel did it, >> but someone did it. I mean, I'm assuming. it had to have been approved by Chris at. least. >> Exactly. >> Cuz he's an adult. He was her father. I. think it's just very bizarre that. they're even included. I would have just. It just feels wrong. Hm. Yeah, it's. really odd. >> Like I think that would be probably the. last thing maybe Anna would want, but. then they're doing it. So in regards to. Chris Keaptainner's quote about Anna, he. says, "I do not stand behind what my.

stepson has done." So again, does he. remember or did he do it? Like what. [laughter]. what's going on? Because grandma was. saying he said he doesn't remember and I. believe it. So maybe you're saying, okay, he doesn't remember, but we all. know he did it or did he confess? There. are internet speculations that he. confessed to Shantel before Anna's body. was found and that's why they didn't. search the stateateroom, but that's. clearly like an internet speculation. that's not based on any sort of logical. or evidential foundation, but it's just.

weird. I want him to face the. consequences. I will be fighting to make. sure that does happen. I cannot say that. he is responsible, but I can't decline. He was the only one that was in the room. and FBI has an ongoing investigation in. which they will have to provide the. evidence to say that he did do it or did. not do it. He was a normal kid. I would. have never thought that any of this. would have happened. Right now, my best. course of action is to let the FBI do. what they're doing. They have the. evidence that they need. When they make. the arrest, then we'll start seeing the. justice side of things.

>> This is like the soft softest spoken. statement from a father. It's crazy. like he has so much understanding and so. much this is even police have more. emotion than this. >> that's so odd. >> and I mean this is weird because if you. compare it to cases where you have two. parental figures like biological parents. and not saying that biological ties to. your children make it any stronger or. less stronger but they've raised them. since birth. Okay. They have biological. ties to their kids. And when one child.

murders the other child and if one. parent wants to support the perpetrator, that can cause. >> Yeah. >> just like the most tumultuous, rightfully, understandably emotional. journey. Chris Keaptainner, it sounds. like that's his son and Anna Keaptainner. is like a girl that he was housing. >> Yeah, exactly. >> It sounds like this is his son. This is. his child. when it's like you've known. this kid for 2 years. Anna is your. daughter. >> Yeah. So, what's what's up with it?

Like, do do people think something is. up? Why why is he acting this way? >> Okay, this is where things get really. conspiratorial. And I think I I would. have to blame the fact that maybe. I was with the RM team and. >> so the best case scenario is he's a. dad that he gives no. >> Yeah, let's say like that. >> That's the best case scenario. >> Yes. But there's lots of rumors that are. going around that point to much darker. scenarios. Mhm. >> Um, there are obviously the kind of. open-ended questions of why has there.

not been an arrest made yet? Some people. are like, okay, well, the feds take a. long time. However, others are like, but. this is a pretty cut and dry case. I. don't think the feds need to take that. much of a long time to cross their tees. and dot their eyes. So, that leads a lot. of nizens to believe perhaps the child. did alert maybe the mom. And so, maybe. the feds are trying to more. >> if any of the parents knew what had. happened before the body was discovered. Huh. >> And then the conspiracies just kind of. spin off from there. But these are all. again conspiracies and they're alleged. And.

>> yeah, and it's just a mess. Even Anna's. biological mom is telling the New York. Post, "Why am I the bad guy? He put them. in the same room together because people. are like, you were not in Anna's life. Why are you suddenly showing up all over. the news?" And then she says, "She was. my daughter and I loved her with all my. heart and soul. The song I am not okay. by Jelly Roll is exactly how I feel.". It's just what. >> one noting comment reads, "I'm so tired. of people saying Anna's biom deserved to. know what happened to her daughter and. that she had to read it online." So.

Heather was complaining that she was. traumatized because she found out that. Anna was deceased from Google. >> No one told her. And so people are. saying if she had been in Anna's life, she would have automatically been. notified by the FBI. It's bad when you. have to admit that Anna's biod was the. better parent than the mom because he's. an And some people are. wondering about the room situation by. stating, "Well, I've been on Carnival. and technically a person 21 years old. has to be in the room with anyone under. the age of 21." So, you know, one.

parent's name had to be on the room with. the three teenagers. The parents bear. some responsibility for not following. the rules. I work in the travel industry. and this is a fact. So, I don't know if. it's 18. I don't know if it's 21. Another party comments, "A stepbrother. is not a sibling. It's a biologically. unrelated male. It's a big difference. May as well be a boy down the street. Grossly inappropriate for them to be put. in the same room. And then of course, other people are arguing their. experiences with step siblings having. perfectly healthy relationships. But. then again, people are also arguing,

yes, but a lot of that is due to the. fact that you probably grew up with. them, too. So, you might have a more. siblingike bond because you're both. three and four years old when you start. getting raised in the same house. together. This is a bit different. Some. people believe that it's only a matter. of time before Chris and Shantel. divorce, writing, "You can almost. guarantee that this is going to end this. entire marriage. How can you get past. the fact that your wife's son killed. your daughter? I see a bitter divorce. coming. The stress of the funeral and. the upcoming trial will tear them apart. Prayers for the biological mother of.

this young lady and all the other family. members." Others think that there maybe. there will not be a divorce. Some people. speculate that maybe the parents are. more suspicious than the internet. already thinks that they're suspicious. One of the kind of theoretical. supporting factors of that is there is. this conversation about if the FBI. really wanted they could have kept this. entire custody hearing under wraps. They. could have maybe sealed the entire. hearing. They could have done something.

because I mean if they have an open. federal investigation, they could have. said, "We don't want anything to get. out. This is a homicide investigation. This is more important than this custody. hearing being televised and live. streamed on YouTube or the foyer request. going through." So, there is a. speculation that maybe the FBI is also. using this court hearing to see how. things play out because maybe they're. looking into more people than just the. stepson or the stepbrother. >> So, yeah. So weird. >> weird.

>> Yeah, I have so many questions. >> One insane unhinged brain deadad comment. reads, "This is on one of Anna's Tik. Toks. This is why." To which people are. commenting, "Question mark question. mark." The commentator, a guy of course, responds, "Doing all these sexy videos. He's probably going out of his mind, so. he did what he did to her since he. couldn't get to her separately. >> That'sing crazy.". >> Another one just reads, "I can see why. he wanted some of that." This comment is. weeks after her murder. There's a video. where Anna is mouththing the lyrics to a. country song, What doesn't kill you. makes you stronger. And someone.

comments, but he did kill you. Clapping. emoji. Another comment reads, "He is. maybe just an immature lad who found. himself in a difficult situation. If. Anna was friendly to him, as she. probably was, that being her nature, he. may have misinterpreted it and it went. downhill from there." to which someone. comments, "It sounds like you're saying. that if a girl is friendly to a boy, he. being an immature lad can't control. himself and just might take whatever he. thinks he's entitled to, including the. girl's life. It just all goes downhill. sometimes." And now we just have a lot. of open questions. Is this going to be a.

federal case? Are they going to pass it. down to the state courts? Are they going. to interview every single person on that. cruise? Because I mean, yeah, you might. probably want to interview everyone on. the hall. You probably want to interview. the crew and the family and all of the. witnesses that would normally come in a. regular investigation. But could there. be other people on that cruise that saw. something on the deck or during a. breakfast buffet one day they noticed. something? They saw something. Are they. combing through all the hours of. security footage? How long is all of. that going to take?

>> And until then, this is what we know so. far. What are your thoughts on this. case? What do you think is going to. happen? And do you think that there are. other parties involved such as any of. the adults? If you're a parent, would. you do the room configurations like this. or is this just so out of the mind of a. regular person? What are your thoughts? Let me know in the comments and I will. see you in the next one.