Teen Girl Found Dead - Police Find Texts Between Her + “Stepdad” About “New Parent Decision Coin”

[Music]. bada bing badao it's probably one of the. worst relationships in Hollywood history. I mean who are we to judge but we're. going to judge this relationship because. the whole setup of it is very odd you. have Mia Pharaoh she's this famous. actress she starred as Rosemary and. Rosemary's Baby back in the 60s she's. dating this guy who is also in Hollywood. and in the span of dating for 12 years. they end up making 13 movies together.

but it's interesting because there are. all these tabloid rumors why are they. not getting married how come they never. got married how come they never even. live together they never even move in. together in the span of 12 years which. power to them if that's not the life. that they want but people are on the. side just trying to grasp how is this. relationship working especially because. Mia phoh the actress she has six. children of her own some of them come. from her previous relationship they're. her biological kids other children she's.

adopted them but Woody her boyfriend. filmmaker is very firm from the get-go I. have no interest in co-parenting I don't. want to co-parent your kids I don't want. to be involved in your kids' lives I. don't want to financially support them I. don't want to emotionally support them I. just don't see myself as a father like. that maybe he just doesn't like kids at. least in the very beginning that's what. people are thinking but then they end up. having a son together Ronan Pharaoh. who's a Pitzer prizewinning journalist. now amazing okay but they have him and.

eventually Woody does end up adopting. two of Mia faroh's children perhaps he. comes around on not wanting to have. children and he becomes slowly more. integrated into at least three of the. kids' lives a year after Woody adopts. two of Mia's kids mhm so they have a son. and then he adopts two of her kids Mia. goes over to Woody's apartment one day. because remember they don't live. together and she finds a stack of. pictures just graphic pictures she's. saying they wouldn't even put these on.

Playboy they're like Hustler magazine. pictures so they're very runchy I guess. is the word just really really pictures. of another woman who is clearly very. young about 21 years old Woody's in his. 50s and the pictures are very clear. these are not cutouts of a magazine. they're not printed out they're. Polaroids so Woody probably took these. pictures Woody Allen is cheating on his. long-term girlfriend Mia Pharaoh which. is already devastating enough but Mia is.

doing triple takes on these pictures. because it is not just a random girl. that he met on set or a random woman. that he walked by on the street that. developed some sort of chemistry with. this girl in the picture is her own. adopted daughter from Korea Sun ye wait. this is Mia's kid or Mia's adopted. daughter that she's had prior to Woody. Allen uh-huh and now she's seeing her. adopted daughter in Woody Allen's.

apartment with these very graphic photos. that are he is cheating on her with her. own daughter is this one of the daughter. that he adopted no okay okay so this is. the one that he didn't adopt yes but. it's still her daughter yeah yeah yeah. this is the case of Woody Allen and Mia. phoh that I could probably do a whole. two-part series separate from this one. on and Woody Allen's adopted daughter. the one that he does in fact adopt from. Mia's clan of children Dylan goes on to.

accuse Woody Allen of ESS when she was a. kid so with all of this Mia breaks up. with Woody he and Mia's adopted daughter. from Ki ends up getting married to Woody. Allen so suddenly this guy who doesn't. want to get married is getting married. to his ex-girlfriend's daughter Woody. claims Mia convinced their other kid. Dylan to lie about Woody essaying her to. get back at him for cheating on her with. her own daughter but he claims sun is 21. I mean it's not like she's a minor.

but she would have been 11 when Woody. Allen came into her life when Mia and. Woody Allen start dating Sun would have. been 11 you're telling me you're telling. the world that you did not groom this. little girl to any degree and then cheat. on your own girlfriend with her own. daughter if you can even use the word. cheat in this scenario Woody's. explanation in all of this is I'm not. Sun's father I'm not her stepfather I've. never even lived with Mia I've never. even slept at Mia's apartment I never.

even used to go there until my own. children came along I was not a father. to her or to any of her adopted kids in. any sense of the word there's no. downside of it the only thing unusual is. that she is Mia's daughter but she is an. adopted daughter and a grown woman I. could have met her at a party or. something Woody was 56 and sun was 21. he's 35 years older and they're still. together to this day and they're. doubling down that nothing is wrong with. their relationship Sun even relased is. her own statement saying I admit that.

it's offbeat but let's not get. hysterical I'm not an RW underage flower. that was R worded molested and spoiled. by some evil stepfather not even by a. long shot this is one of the most. controversial relationships in Hollywood. it's just very strange and alarming that. Woody tries to reason that he absolutely. did not groom this little girl because. he was never a father figure kind of. makes it all that more disgusting you. met her when she was 11 and you didn't. feel a paternal relationship with her.

then what kind of feelings did you have. towards her the Woody Allen and Mia phoh. situation has its own four-part. documentary countless articles on what. the truth is what each side is saying. but it's not really something that the. normal person thinks about I might have. times when I'm reminded of it and I just. sit there and I go oh my God that was a. crazy situation and the new documentary. just came out but I don't think about it. on a day-to-day basis I mean you're not. supposed to it's weird unless you're. Jennifer so.

Doo what she just has this feeling this. gut feeling biggest fear in the world. that would just pop up into her mind. like an intrusive thought she's a single. mom in Florida with a young daughter and. when she finally gets into a serious. long-term relationship she says her. biggest fear was being Woody. Allen Jennifer tells her boyfriend. Stefan that this is her biggest fear. please don't leave me and date my. daughter what so she previously.

mentioned that she has no idea but now. she's saying my biggest fear is you're. going to leave me for my daughter Woody. Allen me groom my. daughter I've always told him that my. biggest fear is that this would turn. into a Woody Allen situation where the. stepdaughter F or the dad Grooms the. child and the child turns 18 and ends up. running away with him I told him like. that was my biggest fear and I don't. ever want that happening like you can't. do that to me like why would you say. that to him because I never TR I never.

trusted I I grew up being told never. trust a man my mom put that in my body. never trust a man 7 years later Jennifer. will be shown photos of Stefan abusing. her daughter Maddie and now Maddie is. missing presumed dead and Jennifer at. least briefly stands by her man this is. the case of meline SoDo. [Music].

a few disclaimers for today's case. there's heavy mentions and themes of Cam. otherwise formerly known as CP CA CSA sa. and potential familial incest there's. quite a few mentions of these themes. throughout this entire episode so please. if it's too much take a break get some.

air and I'll see you in the next one. charges have been pressed in this case. lots of charges over 60 charges but. unfortunately and legally there has yet. to be a trial so everyone is innocent. until proven guilty in the eyes of the. law I guess but we are all entitled to. our own personal opinions this is also a. two-part case if you haven't already. watched part one please go watch that. I'm going to link that below but I'm. going to try to keep it as thorough as. possible I watched 20 plus hours of. interview footage there's audio.

interviews interrogation footage over a. thousand pages of court documents this. case has just been releasing non-stop. paperwork all the time there has just. been no way to condense it down into one. so in part one we focused on Madd going. missing what happened the day that she. disappeared and all of the weird actions. of Jennifer stto her own mother because. right when she reports Maddie missing. there's so many weird things the police. are like where have you looked for. Maddie and she's like nowhere I've been.

at home protecting my mental health it's. just everything about the mother is odd. then in part two this episode we're. going to focus on stepan Sterns the. boyfriend of Jennifer SoDo and all the. conspiracies that are tied to what. happened why there's allegations of a. massive seesam ring that's operating on. telegram there's allegations of. pregnancy there's a lot happening so. with that being said let's get started. there was a trend on Tik Tok going. through your boyfriend's text messages. going through your boyfriend's DMS.

that's child's playing the big account. that you want to find and go through is. your boyfriend's Reddit account if a man. has a Reddit account do you really know. who the man is if you don't go through. his Reddit history that was the. sentiment on Tik Tok people are giving. tips this is how you find your partner's. Reddit username what kinds of subreddits. to look out for what kinds of subreddits. are Reddit Pages undercover that are. just misogynistic exess pools of incels. jerking each other off off people were.

posting be careful though actually don't. go through your boyfriend's Reddit. because once you see it you can never go. back one woman who found her boyfriend's. Reddit account says while we were in the. talking and getting to know each other. face he was using Reddit to hook up with. random women I found comments that he. posted on other women's naked photos. requests to join glory hole encounters. and overall just a lot of things that I. never imagined he would participate in. or be interested in we've been been. together for a year and a half now and.

I'm just confused on everything that. I've learned I genuinely don't know this. person and I don't know what to do do I. let this go because we weren't together. at that point or do I confront him and. tell him how upsetting it was to see. those posts what am I supposed to do. another woman posts asking for advice. because her boyfriend is glued to his. Reddit I mean he likes to keep himself. updated that's what he says the news the. random popular post that's what that's. what he likes to see on Reddit she goes. through his Reddit search history it's. just all NSFW not safe for work new.

random girls that are dancing sensually. and now she doesn't know what to do so a. lot of word of advice from Partners is. when you open up that Reddit account. just know there is no going back whether. that be good or bad you can never unsee. it if you were to go through susten et's. Reddit account that's the account name. suset which is the Latin word for. support you would really have to dig. through hundreds.

and I know this because I dug through. every single post and comment probably. more so thousands of posts and comments. to figure out if there is anything. alarming was is that a Reddit handle or. is that a a community a Reddit handle. one person's Reddit account that's their. handle and you can go through their. history and see all of the different. posts that they've made across all the. subreddits so anything they've ever. posted commented you're going to see it. under their account and you can just go. through their history and see their. evolution as as a developing human being.

I guess and I went through so much I. went through the entire history of. susten Net's Reddit 98% of his Reddit. posts are on board game subreddits or r/. Disney r/ tagachi you know what tagachi. is it's like the little keychains and. they have a pet that you take care of. sometimes it's black and white sometimes. it's color but it's just a keychain the. digital pet yes a digital pet and you. feed it and then it could die and then. you have to re rebirth it I those are.

still around he collects vintage ones oh. he actually spends quite a bit of money. I was trying to figure out the prices. because he'll post rare tagachi that he. purchases and I was like okay well now I. need to know how much this is I'm going. through the tomagotchi rabbit hole. hundreds of dollars for just a keychain. with a pet in there some of them feeding. them he's feeding them he's buying. supplemental stuff he will walk around. with them on his belt just key chained.

to his body wow I mean it's a niche. hobby I respect it the hobby itself of. course now 98% of his poster about. tagachi it's the other 2% of his posts. that are interesting if you were to be. dating sestet you would want to go. through that. 2% he likes to comment answers to. people's Reddit like ask Reddit. questions if you were a serero killer. who would be your victim Zite comments. people who drive down the shoulder of. the road during traffic jams people who. refuse to let others merge into their.

Lane people who go through the express. lane at a grocery store with many more. items than the limits suggest basically. the most selfish and careless people of. society okay kind of quirky I guess is a. thumb of finger if so why do you think. that is susten net response all thumbs. are fingers but not all fingers are. thumbs not false I mean relatively true. I don't know how pertinent information. this is to carry on with life but. continues what instantly ruins the vibe.

at any social Gathering suet says the. guy with all the conspiracy theories. that insists on talking to you about it. and trying to convert you into believing. them too which I mean I think that's. kind of a fun dude but to each their own. if he's not crafting up these responses. to questions he'll try to whip out some. of these onliners that are not the most. original but they all kind of have a. certain vibe to them he writes funny. enough Common Sense isn't really common. at all.

then it go back to answering questions. what should be off limits in comedy. nothing what can you not do that. everyone else seems to be able to do. adult men of readed it what goes through. your mind when a woman starts unzipping. her pants um ma'am I don't know you and. we're in a bus station I mean this. digital footprint is never ending how do. you love yourself usually with my left. hand okay so things are getting a little. more personal you know you keep. scrolling you keep scrolling looking for. anything that's going to tell you.

something more about this poster and. here it is susten is talking about his. past his past relationship and being. cheated on you know I had my suspicions. for a long time I drove to her house. after she did that sleepy good night. call and she wasn't there this was weeks. after months of shady Behavior deleted. conversations unsaved numbers calling. late at night and her turning over in. bed as she would answer a text so that I. couldn't see who it was basically all. the red flags when I finally caught her. in the LIE we sat down she confessed and.

we broke up she then worked very hard to. win me back begging my parents to talk. to me and then when I took her back she. cheated again and even laughed about it. I'm well enough endowed you know length. and girth are pretty perfectly. proportioned good-looking by most. standards knew my way around a woman's. body very well but it didn't matter it. wasn't an issue of me not satisfying her. she was unfortunately bipolar and. unmedicated so one of her symptoms while. manic was hypersexuality which basically. meant that anytime she met a guy that.

was even slightly intrigued by her she. would end up screwing them and this. destroyed my. self-confidence this is almost 10 years. ago and my confidence has never. recovered I became depressed I trust. issues I swore off dating in for almost. 6 years straight while I just stewed in. a broth of self-pity and depression it's. not a good luck and I regret those years. of my Prime I wasted on people that just. weren't worth it my now girlfriend is. thankfully one of my my closest friends.

and we are supportive of each other and. trust each other we've been happy for. almost 2 years now H when was this. posted this was while he was dating. Jennifer SoDo okay recently maybe like a. few years ago uh his Reddit posts. majority of them are 2 to four years ago. mhm okay now it's getting much more. specific and much more personal I kept. scrolling having a nice package doesn't. mean necessarily having the biggest one. it's about have this is what sustinet is. writing it's having one that is either.

or both proportionately ideal and also. aesthetically pleasing to look at I. don't have the biggest one in the world. but I've always received compliments and. it never fails to make me feel good. about myself and then another he's just. posting on Digimon pets and he's posting. how he bought these new three digimons. which are like tagachi he says that he. got one for himself and the purple one. is for his stepdaughter in fact he posts. a lot about his stepdaughter and how. she's interested in the same things that. he's interested in like tomag. painting figurines for Warhammer what's.

a Warhammer is that a it's like another. uh roleplay tabletop game okay he'll. write things like my 12-year-old. stepdaughter is maybe the world's sorest. loser in the world and will typically. break down in tears and fits when she is. soundly defeated in most games but not. in lurana I am proud to say that she is. really giving me a run for my money and. running some neck and neck games but. usually when you're scrolling through. someone's Reddit history you're not. looking for how well he gets along with.

his family members you're looking for. red flags and you find them on a thread. someone writes what is the hardest part. of dating after 30 sustinet responds. finding people to date that haven't. spent all their teens in 20s in the sun. with minimal sun protection making them. all look like a 70-year-old Clint. Eastwood plus all the emotional baggage. and kids from first marriages or absent. fathers honestly dating in or after your. 30s is a these days one begins to. understand the DiCaprio.

strategy the alarm Bells start going off. I mean the aggression starts to come out. in other threads he's responding to. people who need life advice because for. example poster friend a said that friend. B came to pick him up to hang out and. friend B drove up in a stolen car thus. making friend a somewhat legally. culpable in this crime of stealing a car. Suite responds your friend will end up. in prison and and they will see who the. is when they are being used like one.

what it's just kind of getting. Bleak in fact he starts writing about. humanity and he has all these thoughts. about Society he says I work at a major. theme park in a safety critical role cuz. he worked at Disney and get to observe. human nature all day long to the tunes. of thousands I mean literally thousands. of people a day and let me tell you the. outlook for the future of humanity is. not good some folks are just ferals that. are incapable of self-governing if there.

isn't a reward for doing it or a. punishment for not doing it they just. couldn't give less of a anything. Humanity at this point is just 80%. vacant minded zombies that half ass. their way through life without ever. bothering to think critically read a. sign listen to instructions or follow. any sort of example that is already set. for them just complete waste of oxygen. really oh he does this weird thing where. he goes on r/ advice for teens and he. will give advice for teenagers that ask. for advice I mean I guess the whole. theory of the subreddit is that adults.

will come and give teenagers advice from. their life experience of having gone. through that phase and all the lessons. that they've accured from it but he does. frequent it quite quite a lot and I mean. most of the advice that he gives is not. unsound it makes sense so it's not that. alarming but he does respond angrily to. some other posts like for example there. is a life Pro tip subreddit and the. original post reads never force your. kids to get a hug or a from someone. grandparents are even included it will.

ruin their sense of bodily autonomy they. should know that it's their choice if. people can touch them or not susten net. responds grandma is going to die soon. just give her a hug because she loves. you kids should have autonomy yes but. also parents should understand when. their kid is just being shy or squeamish. or even just being a little head and. encourage them to get over it and. reciprocate part of growing up is. sometimes doing things that you don't. want to do because it's the correct. thing to do Looking Back Now I wish I. treated my grandmother better when I.

could have kids don't understand these. things though they just think old people. are gross he responds to people who are. arguing with his logic writing I never. suggested that kids should be forced to. accept physical affection every time or. have no choice in that matter but the. parents need to exercise their judgment. as the adult as to whether or not it's. Justified or they're just being silly to. which someone comes back to this threat. years later and in 2025 they comment and. was it Justified for you to kill a.

13-year-old because susten is stepan. Sterns Jennifer soo's 38-year-old. boyfriend and he has now just arrived at. the police station and is escorted into. the interrogation room where he will be. seated and waiting for three and 1 half. hours for the detectives to finally come. in and question him listen there is no. law that they have to question him. immediately upon arrival there's no good. service at a police station you don't. get to do a little reval they made me. wait 3 hours before coming to my.

attention he sits there for 3 and 1 half. hours and you would think oh it's. because the police are not officient. they don't have their no detectives do. this all on purpose psychological. pressure the isolation this tiny room. unfamiliar circumstances stressful. situations you know that you're likely. being watched and you are you are being. watched you have to rethink and rethink. every answer that you want to respond to. the police with which you would imagine. is potentially a good thing it's not the.

more isolated the more alone you are the. more stressed you are the more you were. crafting these responses to questions. that just don't make sense that. far-fetched response that you thought of. maybe in an appropriate setting you. think okay no one's going to believe. that because that is absolutely. ridiculous in this setting you might. think okay that's that's what I'm going. to say yeah no that's the only thing. that makes sense maybe I'll just bring. that lie out right now tiring out the. suspects is also important creating. mental fatigue the officers they're in.

the back Downing their coffees they're. watching you they're having a little. chitchat they're Giggle gaggling and you. are left with nothing but your own. thoughts getting exhausted because. you're sitting there questioning what do. I know that the police don't know that I. can't let them know but also what do the. police already know here's what the. police already know in this case meline. stto goes missing after her 13th. birthday party celebration so her. birthday party celebration was on Sunday. Monday morning morning she goes missing.

the last person to see her alive was. Stefan Sterns the story that both. Jennifer SoDo and Stefan Sterns has told. is that Sunday night Jennifer SoDo gets. home from work at Disney Stefan is. getting meline ready for bed Jennifer. SoDo forgot to take her medicine the day. before so she's been a little bit wonky. and she tells the two of them why don't. you both go upstairs and sleep in the. guest room together so that I can get a. good night's rest by myself because. normally the three of them sleep in the. same bed and it's always Jennifer SoDo.

13-year-old meline and then stepan. Sterns that's the setup of their. sleeping arrangements so she says why. don't you two go upstairs to the guest. room sleep just you two and I'm going to. sleep downstairs the next morning she. asks Stefan to take meline to school and. he agrees he says actually we're going. to leave early and I'm not even just. going to take her to school I'm going to. take her to McDonald's they leave an. hour early but they don't stop by. McDonald's in fact he dropped off meline. an hour early across the street from the.

school because meline states that she's. embarrassed of his car but it's weird. nobody really believes that story and. then his car is seen driving all over. town with meline in the car the police. are saying the story isn't making any. sense there's so many discrepancies. first of all when Jennifer SoDo takes. her first police report she says that. she saw meline getting ready for school. Monday morning but now she's saying. actually the last time I saw her was. Sunday night I take backis I did not see. her Monday morning. but the CCTV cameras show stepan Sterns.

driving around with meline in the. passenger seat of his car all over town. nowhere near the school does not drop. her off near school and then she just. vanishes off of the face of the Earth. what's going on and what's even more. intriguing is that from 7:00 in the. morning to 9:00 in the morning the 2. hours that he seen driving around with. mine SoDo she is in the same exact. position in the passenger seat in a very. odd leaned back reclined on the chair. looking K. asleep that's what Stefan says she is.

asleep he stops by the community. dumpster to drop something off which the. police go through that dumpster and they. find mine's backpack and one of her. white Croc shoes which why would that be. because you said that you're dropping. her off at school why would you throw. away her backpack here's what the police. believe happened that Stephan Sterns. killed meline SoDo sometime Sunday night. moved her body to the car on Monday. morning and drove around with her. obviously did not drop her off at school. and then eventually after driving around.

with her for 2 hours he pulls into a. parking lot and according to police. reports they have seen footage of him. moving mine's limp body from the. passenger seat into the. trunk then he goes back home with Mel's. body in his trunk has an hour to spend. with Jennifer SoDo mine's mother leaves. the home again to go Place her body. elsewhere it appears he's heading. somewhere to I guess quote unquote. dispose of her body. to get rid of her body he is heading.

somewhere but he gets a flat tire and he. tries to keep driving on that flat tire. until it's literally just nuts and bolts. left and then eventually he can no. longer drive he places mine's body. somewhere wherever he was and then. changes his tire goes back home that's. what the police suspect they just don't. know where yet wow so all of that CAU. caught on CCTV right now they just need. to find a body yes and I mean when once. they go through his phone they find.

clear seesam evidence of him essaying. meline likely since she was 8 years old. and so now there's all these questions. of how much does Jennifer SoDo Mattie's. own mother know about all of this what. was Stefan doing the night that Maddie. went missing Monday night while the. police are searching for Maddie while. Jennifer SoDo is at home because she. wants to protect her mental health. Stefan goes out in the middle of the. night to look for Maddie police are. probably wondering did he go back to. mine's body at that Point what was he. doing that night and then 2 days later.

while Jennifer and stepan are staying at. a hotel because they get kicked out of. their house the police are securing it. as a crime scene stepan is seen sneaking. out again at night taking Jennifer's car. to go quote searching for meline again. where is that does that have anything to. do with where he might have hidden. Maddie and in the interrogation room and. throughout the entirety of all of his. audio interviews I will say the way that. he just talks about meline is very. infuriating she brings of Joy she's a. very good girl it definitely doesn't.

feel the same around here if she's not. here she was so happy too she's looking. forward to my visit here she was looking. forward to us all being together she was. just happy she's just very happy this is. the guy that meline told her counsel she. felt very uncomfortable around she did. not like this man he lies on how he was. going to go through Monday morning after. dropping MADD off and it doesn't make. sense to which detectives even ask him I. mean do you have problems with your. memory that you can't recall because you. say that after dropping Maddie off you.

went to the vape shop and waited for. them to open that would have been around. 9:20 but then now you say you only. waited a few minutes and then you left. and by the time you left it was after. 10:00 so was it a few minutes or was it. 40 minutes what's going on um I'm. extremely ADHD I'm sorry so just details. start to get fuzzy after a while even. the times I'm giving you are my best. gestat here didn't have my phone with me. at the time so I wasn't aware of exactly. what time there's no time on your car. transpiring there probably is but it's.

not my car it's my parents car I'm not a. morning person I'm not I'm very time. blind on the best of days and forgetful. I understand that none of that is. helpful in this case even when asked. where he went to look for Maddie the. night that she went missing he says I. don't. recall maybe. after I can't I'm so I'm so sorry I was. medicated I've been medicated a week my. my memory is just not as reliable as I.

would like it to be right. now I was in a fog and half asleep that. morning as it was even when he gets. times wrong he'll just say sorry I'm. just not a morning person I'm not a. morning person he's also asked to pull. up his sleeves at one point so the. officers can see his cars from changing. his tire and he says do you mind taking. your sweater off uh it's cold but yeah. it's cold but sure it's weird so these. are all from the audio interviews and. it's not until about 48 hours after m. goes missing that he gets brought into. the police station and he just mopes.

around for 3 and 1/2 hours he does. appear very stressed so that's good but. when officers come in he tries to play. it off like he just woke up from this. Slumber he's got his arms crossed he. looks very very cold and the impression. he gives me is someone desperately. trying so hard to seem sleepy and. harmless like he just woke up from a nap. and he's just getting his thoughts. together it's a bizarre combination. he's able to sit there straight face and.

tell officers he runs them through. Monday again and Sunday night and he. tells officers you know Jennifer sent me. and Maddie upstairs to go sleep so we. had snuggle cuddle time some Snuggle. cuddle time the officer asks you say. snuggle time what does that mean Maddie. doesn't like to be alone she's extremely. dependent she does not like to be alone. at all she needs human presence around. her gotcha so uh how's your relationship. with Maddie great I am one of her.

favorite people in the world and you. know we're just trying to um you know. we've been trying to wean her off of. that wean her off of. that being so dependent but it's been. difficult both the officers there's two. male officers in there they look like. they want to place their Knuckles on the. side of his face really yeah they look. the way they even say gotcha is like. gotcha you are so ridiculous she needs.

human presence around. her so right now they already got the. footage and yeah from his phone they saw. the CCTV everything and the guy is still. trying to play it off M that he's. Maddy's favorite person in the entire. world and she needs snuggle cuddle time. and even if that's the case you should. not be giving her snuggle cuddle time. that's weird the police ask him to walk. them through what happened Monday. morning he just yawns so she needs to.

brush her hair brush her teeth excuse me. I don't know if that's him trying to. appear so innocent that he's not. stressed or worried just casually. responding to questions or so chill. because he did nothing wrong or if he's. buying time or if it's a weird stress. response it's just kind of wild so he. runs them through his lies of Monday. morning and they keep trying to confront. him that's not the truth but. nevertheless they're not bogging down on. this one because at this point they're. not not worried about Monday they're. worried about where is Maddie how old.

are you by the way I'm 37 about to turn. 38 I mean you seem like a genuinely nice. person Stefan I try Jennifer talks very. highly of you Stefan is nodding just. booping his head like yeah I mean of. course cuz I am did they ask him okay so. you're saying Monday you're driving. towards the school so how is it that on. CCTV cameras we see you driving back. towards the. house that's right I forgot my gate. clicked. you know I left with Maddie and about.

you know the school is about 20 minutes. away we're almost at the school and I. realize that I forget my gate clicker I. urn it back to go grab it because we had. quote plenty of time to. kill so this is so strange imagine you. leave your apartment and you need the. gate clicker to get back into your. apartment you forget it and you're about. to drop your kid off not not even your. kid your girlfriend's kid off at her. school you're almost at the school would. you not just drop her off and then go.

home talk to the security person and say. hey I forgot my gate clicker he thinks. no no no the best option is to U-turn. drive all the way back without dropping. meline off go to the security guy and. say hey I forgot my gate clicker and. then go get the gate clicker and then. drive all the way back to the school. again the police are asking could you. not have just gotten your gate clicker. after you dropped her off I could have. but I also like to come back in through. the back gate sometimes and sometimes. they're busy up front so it's better to. avoid the line I don't know if it makes. more sense it's just what I did and they.

also confront him okay well there is. footage of you talking to security while. meline is sitting in the front reclined. and you say she's asleep we don't we. don't believe that but then you go to. the dumpster and you throw something. away we went through that dumpster and. we found her backpack in the trash why. is her backpack in the trash if you're. dropping her off at school he doesn't. respond he just keeps blinking and he's. staring at them like he's confused by. what they're saying like what do you. mean you found a backpack there's no way. there's a backpack and they tell him.

Stefan I'm telling you what I'm pleading. with you is that you do some soul. searching the more time that goes on the. more that this gets tough that little. girl is out there and we need to know I. really think that you can help us and. I'm pleading with you I dropped her off. I dropped her off that's the last time I. saw her what do you think was on the. phone text messages. emails Stu pictures. yeah what kind of pictures we on there.

training card. pictures lightsaber pictures Disney. pictures you have a Google. account. yeah do you save pictures to your Google. account sometimes or is it automatically. I know sometimes phones sync to a cloud. and. yeah I think it think it backs up to. Google m. and then sometimes when you reset uh.

your phone and your phone updates and. puts these apps back on your phone. sometimes they will put the images back. on your. phone I'm not sure you meum so probably. I mean went to Disney took selfies on. the. train she got back from Puerto Rico and. had her hair red we got a pictures of. that here's what I'm going to be. brutally honest with. you there's.

phone and I'm pretty sure you know what. some of those pictures are. about you're you're a very intelligent. person I don't want you to discredit. yourself by saying you don't know about. all the pictures that are on your phone. you understand what I'm. saying Stefan looks taken aback and he. he feels like the police the way he. responds is like the police are trying. to do him dirty should I be talking with. a lawyer right now I can't answer that.

question my sole purpose right now is. trying to find Maddie and I'm trying to. see if you can help us well I would. really like to help but I I feel like I. should probably have a lawyer present at. this point so he he's now finally. realize he can't play any longer no well. we can make that happen I just want to. let you know that you're not free to. leave and you are being detained if you. are told this mhm and you're innocent. what do you say. what does an inn innocent person say.

like under what reasons right yeah every. interrogation clip where they're so. guilty they never ask what they're being. detained for yeah you're being detained. okay do you want to know what you're. being detained for yeah Capital battery. and possession of child and with that. the interrogation is over after he. requests an attorney I mean there's no. denial nothing just okay and it's so.

fascinating so the best part after this. entire interrogation is that they have. to take pictures of all of Stefan's body. parts and because of the seesam they. have to find this very distinctive. Freckle on his private parts because a. lot of the pictures are of meline um and. then his private part so they need to be. able to identify that it is his private. part in those pictures two female. officers come in and they start. manhandling this man taking pictures of. him forcing him to turn take off.

articles of clothing taking pictures of. his private parts and I don't think that. they get paid enough for that job but I. also love the way that they're doing it. he is insanely uncomfortable and of. course this is probably a fraction of. what Maddie has felt but still it's. something how do you know like what was. exactly is it described is it what do. you mean the two officer no I saw it. what do you mean you saw it they they. tried to censor um his private Parts. sometimes the censor is not censoring as.

well as it should but they do censor it. that's crazy yeah and you just see these. two female officers just going in. manhandling him and I love them for it. and he's so uncomfortable but they're. incredibly thorough at their jobs that. they don't they're not like oh you're. uncomfortable you're chilly okay maybe. we can stop after one or two pictures. they're like no reach under here pull. this back do this yeah they even tell. him hey don't try to do anything. squirrly because you're going to eat the. carpet like we're going to body slam you.

down if you try to do anything right now. oh that's wild yeah but he still finds. the narcissism in the depths of his. black soul where in this situation he. asks if they can switch the handcuffs to. the front instead of in the back because. it hurts and it's making him. claustrophobic the female officer just. tells him they're not made for Comfort. like what do you want me to do they're. not made for Comfort no we're not going. to do that we're not going to be. accommoda right now but this. interrogation still to this point does.

not help they need to find Maddie if. Stefan doesn't want to help them maybe. Jennifer Maddie's mother does if you. watch part one it is very evident that. Jennifer does not care to help in fact. it seems like she is more upset about. Stefan being arrested and even cheating. on her cheating and I say that very. Loosely cuz it's essay than her daughter. being missing I mean maybe her shock is. presenting itself differently but it's. so strange it's like Stefan is her. entire world even the day the same.

conversation where she finds out about. the seesam finds out that Stefan is. abusing her daughter she asks is he. being placed under arrest because of. those pictures yeah that's we haven't. made that determination yet. but brush charges since she's a. juvenile no fck. idea I didn't think it was in my power I. thought you guys should automatically do. it what do you think should happen to. him for these pictures. it's crazy like I saw the pictures but.

I'm still in deny them because like. there's a penis there m but is is he. visual does he show up in any of the. pictures is there I mean I don't know. who's I haven't seen all of the pictures. so I can't answer that okay I whether. it's his penis or not are you. comfortable with him having content of. someone else's penis on his phone AKA. are you still comfortable with him. having pictures of what essaying your. daughter even if it's not him in the. picture.

mhm that makes sense absolutely not no. so what do you think should happen to. Stefan I'm afraid to say press charges. but what. else there's a sign of me that wants to. say he's innocent that this isn't happen. but who else's penis could that be she's. not left alone with anyone else can I. make one decision now and change my mind. later I just don't know a singular. parent that would not not only want to.

press charges immediately but would want. to go into that jail cell themselves and. do something about this throughout the. entirety of the investigation on top of. all of that she has never not once said. anything nice about Maddie I think that. she might have mentioned that Maddie was. kind of artistic at one point but that's. it at least from all the released audio. and video interviews as well as police. and incident reports she somehow cannot. say anything kind about her own daughter. which she finds it in herself to to say. neutral to relatively nice things about. Stefan the guy that essayed her daughter.

for years made even more infuriating by. the fact that Stefan is a person even. his parents have stated before all of. this Stefan is crazy he's a manipulator. he's a gaslighter Stefan's grandpa on. his mom's side passed away mhm and he. left this heirloom Rolex for his. daughter Stefan's mom Stefan proceeded. to steal that Rolex from his own mother. how how did you find out about that. Stefan's mom said it stepan's mom was. like he he stole the.

Rolex and yet Jennifer can say nice. things about him even defending him. meanwhile Maddie who has done nothing. but be victimized under Jennifer's care. is. forgetful yeah like any other human in. the world when it comes to Maddie she. mentions she leaves laundry on the floor. her room's a mess she keeps her personal. space very disorganized if she gets in. trouble for anything it's always her. disorganization and her messiness she's. always behind on school work she has. ADHD she's forgetful she'll set. something down and completely forget. where she said it she sleeps like a.

monkey that's what she says even after. Stefan's arrest the detectives ask her. what is Stefan's relationship with. Maddie she says I was going to say. really good super great he's always been. super kind and sweet to her very. accepting warm and understanding of her. because she's got ADHD so she's kind of. a little I'll say abnormal in the sense. that she doesn't like she doesn't act. like every other kid you have to have. patience and extra understanding for her. and uh he does that really well this is.

after she finds out what he did I think. a loving mother would have said pretty. much everything else Maddie's stepdad. says she's brilliant she's very smart. her favorite colors were green and. purple lavender to be exact which is. both parts vibrant and calm I mean. people said that there's this sereness. to Maddie who's Maddie's stepfather so. she has a biological father and a. stepfather that is now since divorced. from. Jennifer and she seems closer with her.

stepfather than she was her biological. father they both don't live nearby and. then now she's got Stefan who has never. been her stepfather like they never got. married she recently won student of the. week there was this door painting. contest at the school and Maddie's quite. creative she would just get locked in. and could spend hours creating things. with her hands she's a Swifty she loved. making those beaded bracelets or drawing. and apparently she was really good at. drawing and one of the places that. you're going to see her get so intense.

everybody said is when she's playing. volleyball she's so good at volleyball. but that's when her competitiveness. finally comes out but usually she just. gets along with everybody her biological. dad says if you ever made a snarky. comment Maddie would correct him saying. everyone's beautiful in their own way at. the vigil Maddie's stepmother says you. were and still are the light of my life. so this is her biological dad's new wife. mhm M you were and still are the light. of my life I'm so blessed to have known.

such a sweet Soul you will be remembered. as a young girl running through pumpkin. patches learning to Fish Feeding baby. goats and jumping in the corn it's hard. to imagine that you're gone now another. who helped with the vigil said we want. her to know that as a community that she. does matter to us whether you knew her. or not whether you live right here in. Florida or you live in Australia she. matters to so many people but instead. Manny's mom wants to talk about how. messy she is how forgetful she is and. how she never does things on time March.

1st a few days after Maddie goes missing. police have Jennifer SoDo in the police. station being interviewed so this is. from part one the main interrogation. they have not found Maddie's body they. found all the cesam Stefan has been. arrested she knows about the abuse and. she's being questioned the police are. telling her like we just want to find. your daughter's body because we don't. think that she's alive and you don't. seem to want to find her period while. that is happening they are doing a press. conference asking anyone who has seen. anything to come forward please if you.

see anything of Interest call us and a. tip comes in a man named Thomas calls. into the police station he calls in the. tip I think I saw that same exact car. that silver car that you guys released. that Monday that Maddie went missing. he's explaining everything do you have. the license plate number sir no but I. could lead you to where I saw the car. because I'm not just remembering. everybody's license plates well do you. have the exact ad address of where you. might have seen this silver vehicle on. Monday no but again I can tell you.

pretty much exactly where it is like I. don't know if it has an address it was. in the just the side of the. road okay well thank you I just think. that that's a little bit too vague the. officer hangs up on him Thomas is so. confused he's like what do you mean it's. too vague you just told everybody to. call if you saw something so he gets. into his car drives back to where he. could have sworn he saw that silver. linkoln that day starts taking pictures. look it's not the exact address but here. you go here's the area here's the. location that I saw the car he he was.

changing his tire I saw a guy change his. tire in the car that you're telling me. to look out. for so who's Thomas just a random. citizen okay and he's like hello why is. nobody listening to me the spare tire. was on the same exact side of the car. that the press conference was telling us. about Thomas remembers what he saw he. was driving down the two-way Road one. lane going north one lane going south. there's not really much out there it's. just Fields it's fields and it's nearby.

alligator Lake that we talked about in. part one where all the Alligators are. and then he sees this silver Lincoln. pulled over to the side of the road. there is a man standing there near the. driver's side with a backwards hat he. sees that up ahead Thomas is driving. towards the car that's pulled over on. the side and as he's passing he sees. that the man has something in his hand. looks like a tire iron cuz he probably. has a flat he's changing his tire Thomas. is getting closer and closer and he's. going to slow down so he can pass the. man safely by this point the man is.

leaned down next to his tire and as. Thomas's car passes he looks up and the. two of them make direct eye contact. Thomas did not forget that face he. believes that face is Stephan. Sterns Thomas calls again he's like I'm. going to call again till the authorities. try to listen to me because hello I saw. what I saw. when I was younger investing to me. looked like men in suits screaming into.

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roton this time they do take his tip. seriously and an hour later March 1st. 2024 Maddy's body is found in Farmland. on a big plot of land near where he said. he saw the car like just in the bushes. yes near a line of bamboo. trees she was wearing a green hoodie. blue jeans and she was left lying in a. fetal position position it is most. people's beliefs that he was trying to.

drive to Alligator Lake to dispose of. her in the lake he got a flat tire drove. as far as he could on that flat tire but. eventually he had to pull over and he. couldn't get a spare tire with Maddie in. the. trunk so he um placed her body near the. bamboo trees fixed his tire drove home. Maddy's cause of death is. strangulation do you know what. derivative immunity is. there's been a lot of outrage online. that Jennifer SoDo has received immunity.

for this case but that is not true she's. received derivative use immunity which. means for this interview that she had in. April so the main interrogation was done. March 1 March 1st the day of the press. conference the day that madd's body is. found they questioned her again April. 18th of 2024 and whatever she says in. that interview no evidence that is taken. directly from her testimony can be used. against her but she does not receive. immunity in this case she can still be. prosecuted based off of independent.

evidence that is found against her okay. so let me try to create a scenario John. is caught and he was um doing a minor. powder transaction he was purchasing. powder from a good buddy of his but he. gets arrested he's talking to the police. and he says I actually have information. on a bigger powder operation not a. transaction a whole operation I can lead. you to the big guys upstairs but he's. very scared because once I tell you. about it I'm incriminating myself the. authorities will then give him.

derivative use immunity that means his. testimony cannot be used directly. against him in the future prosecution. cuz you can't incriminate yourself so. let's say John tells him about the. warehouse where they're storaging the. powder authorities go they raid the. warehouse find the drugs they cannot go. and say you knew about it so we're. arresting you unless unless John's other. buddy Kevin comes along and Kevin says. Hey guys look at this picture I have of.

John in a lab coat cooking up in that. facility then he can be prosecuted for. the drug charges just not through his. own. evidence the police have to show that. they obtained evidence against JN. through a completely independent source. that is not JN himself yeah yeah yeah. but don't they usually do that to get. some like you know lenience on their. previous crime right yes so that that. could work as well but in this situation. I mean they just want Jennifer to feel. safe enough to say something right right.

right because she's not being charged as. of right now yes as a right we don't. know if she will be the detectives. describe it to Jennifer as quote I also. explained derivative use immunity which. means if you said there was a gun and. obviously there's no gun in this case. but you say there's a gun buried in your. attorney's yard we cannot go dig up that. gun even if you told us that yeah the. gun is used it was right there in his. yard we cannot go dig it up we wouldn't. be able to do that we would have to show. that we learned all those things. independent from this interview now they.

could go around asking hey does anybody. know where the gun is what okay so. there's one pertinent part of this. interview I mean the rest a lot of this. interview is just repeats of what she. said happened on Monday or at least one. variation of it because all these people. keep changing their stories but there is. this odd part where the officer asks her. what Maddie would have eaten on her. birthday party the night that she went. missing Jennifer lists off a Puerto. Rican dish and the officer says she's. going to have to spell it out for him. because he you know he can't really. pronounce that and she laughs like a. little too hard it's just.

weird it's weird she's like. ha but the main thing to come out of. this interview is she states that there. was one morning where Maddie just could. not wake up Jennifer assumed it was her. medication problem because she's on. sleeping pills that maybe they gave her. Too Many Meds too late at night so she. was still groggy in the morning but she. later realized that it was because she. and Stefan weren't communicating well. and she assumes that she had given and. MADD her nighttime meds and then Stefan. gave her her nighttime meds he claims he.

didn't know but they effectively double. doed her with sleeping pills now mind. you in a lot of the CM videos and. pictures Maddie was asleep so it feels. like perhaps Stefan was drugging her the. officer also hints at the fact that. there's a conversation on Jennifer's. phone about Maddie suspecting that. Stefan had given her THC pills but. Jennifer claims I don't remember that. and the topic moves on now I assume. we're going to hear more from that later. on I don't know but a few other things.

from this interview include Jennifer had. apparently told an officer early in the. investigation that the sleeping. arrangements with herself Stefan and. Maddie were so strange because. Jennifer's sister was staying with them. so she's like oh well we all had to. sleep together because Jennifer's sister. was here but turned out not to be true. Jennifer admits that that was not true. in this interview the conversation of. her weird text message comes up near the. end of this interview Maddie had plans. to go see her biological father in Texas.

prior to all of this Jennifer texts him. the biological father I hope nobody. touches Maddie or tries films her under. the. bathroom which is an oddly specific. thing to say at first Jennifer is like I. don't remember that I don't remember. that but later she says oh I remember. that text message I think this was. around the time this is her saying this. I think this was around the time that an. Airline employee had taped his phone to. the restroom to watch a child use the. restroom so that they could secretly. film it but the child discovered it like. that's that she's saying like that was.

that another quick question police want. to know if MADD is embarrassed of. Stefan's car if that's the case why. didn't Stefan just take her to school in. Jennifer's car so that he could drop her. off at the school like at the front gate. of the school now side note it's pretty. clear that Maddie you know she's. deceased at this point they found her. body Stephan had no plans of dropping. her off but they're asking Jennifer why. you didn't question that as a mother. okay so back to what you just said about. her text to the ex-husband right one. suspicion would be she found out about.

what Stefan did and this is her just. listing it out cuz she was upset mhm now. mind you Stefan was filming the roommate. under the door yes yes yes and that will. make her you know you know she no longer. is innocent in exactly because she. invites him back into the house yeah we. don't know how maybe she just saw he was. secretly filming Maddie allegedly this. is our specul ation theory of course and. then still why let him back into the.

house mhm Jennifer says she didn't. question it because stepan is not. insured on her car you did let him drive. your car after this occurred though. right yes but he was very insistent. because he wanted to go look for Maddie. and he had a a spare on his car cuz he. had a flat so he couldn't drive his car. so he just really wanted to go out but. what about this text message June 16th. 2023 you texted def this madd's no. longer sleeping with me I can't risk it.

what does that mean no idea the most. innocent reasoning would be and it's not. even that Innocent but the best case. scenario would be that Jennifer was. referring to not getting enough sleep. because MADD is a rough sleeper but that. means that was in 2023 if she said that. Maddie is no longer sleeping with me I. can't risk it she was claiming to the. police up and down Maddie always sleeps. with me usually she doesn't sleep with. Stefan Stefan doesn't sleep with us it's. always me and Maddie m she never sleeps. alone so if she's not sleeping alone and. she's not sleeping with you who is she.

sleeping with that's the most innocent. variation of what that text could mean. but most netizens feel like this cryptic. text means something else there are. speculations that Jennifer knew about. the abuse and even when the three of. them shared the bed he was theorized. this is a theory that he was allegedly. taking pictures of Maddie and essaying. her in the same bed can't risk it neens. either think that she's referring to I. can't risk Maddie waking up in the. middle of the night and know knowing. that I'm also here or I can't risk it.

AKA you're creating seesam and my sheets. and pillows are all in the background. that's what nison theorize Stefan has. been arrested for CM child Essa abuse as. well as first-degree murder charges and. now the question is with all of this. even this derivative use immunity. interview people feel like Jennifer is. even more sketchy this did not make her. less sketchy in even the slightest. amount the main arguments against. Jennifer other than the ones that we've. already covered in part one is that the. very first initial response from the.

police they come there's body cam. footage they come to talk to Jennifer. about her missing child Monday Night. Jennifer is trying to show them a. picture of Maddie and she's got to. scroll through her phone quite a bit a. lot of nens and parents think this is so. strange they say if your child is not. out your phone background you've got. pictures of them everywhere in your. phone I don't even have children I have. pictures of my nieces everywhere in my. phone it doesn't make sense it just. feels like Jennifer is doesn't care. about her daughter she doesn't attend. her own daughter's birthday party that's.

not even held on the day of her. daughter's birth it's like you could. schedule that for when you're off then. and then it just feels like she could. not physically care less about her own. kid also why the hell is Stefan staying. with them he and Jennifer are broken up. at this point it doesn't even make sense. she even tells officers it wasn't until. June of last year that we' broken up and. I said okay I don't want to sleep with. him in the same bed please move upstairs. and he moved upstairs so you don't want. to sleep with him in the sameed but you. want your 13-year-old daughter to sleep. with him in the same bed Jennifer's. explanation for that is I don't know if.

I was ever comfortable with that the two. of them sleeping together but you you. told them to sleep together Sunday night. I did that was a selfish move on my part. it's because I wanted a good night's. sleep I didn't want her kicking me or. rolling on to me or waking me up to hear. her alarm so that it woke me up I wanted. to keep sleeping until I needed to sleep. because I I just had not had that with. my training schedule I have had not a. good night's sleep my medication was out. of whack I was was feeling funny and not. like myself and I knew that I needed. another night's sleep and my medication. in my body then why not just have your.

parents watch her so Jennifer's. grandmother lives nearby and when. Jennifer is working she will actually do. drop off and Pickups she'll help watch. Maddie I'm not saying parents should. become unstable or not take their. medication or sacrifice their own. physical health for their children but. there are certain things you can do to. ensure the safety of both you and your. child like let her stay at grandma she. was already at Grandma's Sunday for the. birthday party in fact she cried to. Grandma saying that she didn't want to. go home that week then in other.

interviews Jennifer and the other. roommates as well as Jennifer family. members they all mention that Jennifer. is a deep sleeper her meds knock her out. like she will be out like a light to the. point where she cannot hear anything so. she's saying I needed my sleep I didn't. need anyone to bother me like I'm so. fragile and frail I need my sleep ooh I. really need it but then also I didn't. hear anything Sunday night because I. just knocked out I was so deep asleep. additionally she was not scheduled to. work Monday or Tuesday so she had a lot.

of time to recoup before going back to. work furthermore if Jennifer was someone. who needed good quality sleep why did. she sleep with her quote unquote nervous. dog I don't know about a nervous dog but. remember she said he came to put the. leash on my nervous dog and I had to. help him in the morning mhm was the dog. in the room with you yes he gets very. nervous and will urinate if you put the. leash on him too directly you have to. like be nice and talk to him I don't. know about you if you have a nervous dog. they're typically very sensitive to. noise and they're barking all the time.

and they're rumaging they're pacing when. they feel like something's happening. they growl they grunt I mean they think. everything is a Potential. Threat so it doesn't make sense mhm. another roommate said that she always. saw Maddie and Stefan alone upstairs in. room number four and she would even ask. Jennifer because she thought that that. was strange like hey is that okay for. your daughter to just this is not even a. stepdad that raised her since she was. young this is is not even a stepdad this. is not her biological father it's not. even a family member and like sometimes.

a lot of abuse even happens within. family members so you can't even just it. it was even weirder like it's just I. can't think of a single explanation why. that's okay the roommate is saying so. she asked Jennifer is that okay cuz. that's weird I think for them to ask. there must be some off Vibes energy it's. not just like oh Maddie's bored she. doesn't want to be alone so they're like. and then Stephan is like oh my God I. want to be alone but this kid keeps. bothering like clearly something is. weird and um Jennifer is like no he.

would never harm my daughter even one of. the other roommates is more emotional. when talking about what Stefan did to. Maddie in regards of the abuse she cries. in the interview with the police she's. more emotional than Jennifer she keeps. saying throughout the interview I wish I. had paid more attention I wish I had. paid more attention wow I wish I wish I. would have like saw or something or. something I would. have paid more attention or something. which are the things that you would. expect someone to say side note there is. this very emotional moment where the.

detectives tell the roommate we received. a tip an anonymous tip that you knew. about the abuse that you told someone. about the abuse that roommate was like. oh yeah I live with this family I think. that there's abuse going on keep in mind. this is a high-profile case so this. could be this tip likely I want to say. personally in my opinion has no merit I. don't think it's real bro I would have. killed myself if I knew anything up I. promise you. I've never heard that kind of anger or. upset or anything from Jennifer in any.

of her interviews and then Jennifer on. one hand she acts like the world's most. micromanaging attentive Mom oh I have to. remind her to do things because she's. forgetful she has ADHD I have to make. sure that she takes her medication. because I don't want her to take Aderall. at night because then she can't sleep. and then what if she accidentally takes. it I have to do this I have to do this. she pretends to be a micromanager whilst. never attending an open house at her. school at Maddie's school all of mty's. teachers say one of them said you know. Maddie would have sleepy days which were.

not normal she would be zoned out and. asleep through the entire period you. know how kids will sleep in school this. was not that they say the level of this. was just different they told Maddie's. mom about it she did nothing she just. said oh it's her meds so you are. micromanaging but at the same time you. don't notice anything and by all. accounts if you mesh together MD's. teacher MD's friends MD's family members. all of their testimonies and statements. it seems like Maddie was doing so much. better mentally after Stefan moved out.

and was slowly recovering that's what it. feels like they don't know that because. they just think oh she's been a lot. better she's been more attentive and. more focused on her school workor she's. been more creative recently but if you. kind of put the pieces together she's. recovering after he moves out even. Jennifer tells an officer Maddie had the. typical teenage attitude the Sass the. talking back the disrespect the pushing. boundaries she was very much doing that. but that calmed down over the last few. months got even better when Stefan moved.

out and went to Northport that's what. she says it's hard to believe that. Jennifer never once sat there and goes. why is that not even. once and then she said in a previous. interview they're best buds would you. not be sad if your best bud moves out of. the house I would imagine that her. behavior would get worse if they truly. were Best Buds and she sees this healthy. father figure who loves playing board. games with her innocently one of madd's. friends tells authorities that sometimes.

Maddie would just come to school crying. and then she would just say it's fine I. just want to cry it. out but one of the most interesting. things a few netizens have pointed out. is the fact that again she's. micromanaging medications doing all of. that but then not really caring about. Maddie at all but also tracking Maddie's. menstrual cycle Jennifer mentioned that. she has an app and Maddie will come to. her and tell her when she started her. menstrual cycle a few neens have pointed. out quote I never tracked my daughter's.

cycle I just have supplies in the house. when she needs it and consider this. Jennifer is a drugged out fart in a. whirlwind this is their comment not mine. like she does not have her Jennifer does. okay she does not does she seem like a. micromanager and super involved mother. to you but now she's tracking her. menstrual cycle of all things now. according to Jennifer she says my entire. day was focused around Maddie I would. wake up first thing in the morning make. sure she's ready make her breakfast get. her backpack and water bottle ready if. she's taking lunch get her some lunch. ready this is me doing this while she's.

getting ready make sure she takes all. her medications before school take her. to school come back she was my entire. life everything I did every day was for. her but again according to teacher she. never even attended her daughter's open. house but then she's tracking her. menstrual cycle and this is another. thing I don't know if maybe again. because I'm not a parent I'm not. entirely sure but if I had a 13-year-old. daughter I would try to instill in her. the responsibility of tracking her own. sight. so I would probably get her the app on. her phone and remind her to track it and.

if she doesn't I can tell her to whip. out her phone and we can track it. together but I don't know if I would. track it on my phone and have her come. tell me like that's a little. weird especially because Jennifer is not. the type that's like I need to have my. eyes on everything I am a perfectionist. mother and I need to be hyper involved. MH it's just it the one day she's a. hyper involved mom the other day she. doesn't care at all that her daughter is. being abused like it doesn't make any. sense and then there's all the other. small inconsistencies the day that.

Maddie goes missing she goes to pick up. Maddie from school but she only Waits. outside for 10 minutes some nens feel. like she knows that Maddie's not coming. out of school because a lot of them are. saying I wait for my kids for like 30. minutes outside and they take forever. and they're annoying you know it's like. it happens she also says it's normal for. Maddie to forget her phone but the. officer tells her straight up in the. interrogation room her cell records and. her cell data from her cell phone. showing is not common for her to leave. her phone at home is for her to go to. school with her you know teenager leaves. their phone at home it's what they. they're attached to it she's left her.

phone home M her sale data shows that. normally it goes with her so that's. intentional you know it's intentional. because he left his too yeah right. whether it's an accident last Friday. this Monday was not. accident regardless investigators are. clearly skeptical of Jennifer one report. reads during the course of the. investigation Jennifer has been. interviewed by detectives and the media. Jennifer has made numerous contradictory. statements to detectives and media. Outlets during initial interviews with. Patrol officers and detectives she.

stated that Stefan took Maddie to school. during other statements she said we took. Maddie to school Jennifer's whereabouts. are also inconsistent she initially. stated that she did not take Maddie to. school because of a new job and then she. later stated that actually it wasn't her. new job she had a doctor's appointment. that day which side note she had two. doctor's appointments that day one that. she actually did attend for blood work. her annual exams and then a second one. that she canceled the day of and they. asked her why she canceled it and she. said I didn't want to go to a $350 Botox. appointment now most of the time in.

almost all the interviews Jennifer. complains about not having enough money. because she's on disability and she. finally got a part-time job at. Disney so maybe she is a horrendous. Financial Manager I mean I could see. that totally but also $350 Botox. appointment is is a lot so why does she. book it if she thought that was too much. money right we don't know that's not. something you find out a day of like how.

much it is yeah yeah it's weird there is. a whole Theory connected to this that. we'll get we're going to get into in a. second now multiple officers tell her. straight up to her face that they feel. like she's covering up for Stefan and. her reaction her reaction is no I just. want you to understand that we're all. the same we all have ADHD we're all. forgetful as in her stepan and Maddie. and then at the end of one interview she. even asks how long does somebody go to. jail for something like this please tell. me it's so much it sounds like she's.

trying to ask how long Stephan is going. to jail but she doesn't sound like she. doesn't sound like a parent that's like. he better be behind bars for the rest of. his life otherwise the day he comes out. I'm going hunting like that's not the. vibe it's giving how long is he going to. be gone for if he did something to her. that led to her death yeah he's going to. prison for life she lets out a sigh but. it doesn't sound like a sigh of. relief it almost sounds like a gut punch. sigh to me like someone who has told.

very bad. news the cop continues he's probably. going to prison for life for the sa. charges and the cesam charges so like. multiple life sentences fine Kim oh my. God what does that mean fine yeah what. do you mean fine what yeah fine is a. weird weird comment yeah fine it's not. good good he deserves it and more I hope. he gets the death penalty it's not that.

yeah it's like fine him it's weird it's. so weird she also mentions how she. trusts him very very much she trusted. him all the time with her daughter but. also in the same interview she mentions. that he has bad judgment doesn't make. good DEC decisions stole money from his. parents stole a Rolex from his. grandfather deceased grandfather lies to. his parents non-stop she even admits. that when Maddy's Christmas money was. stolen she and Maddie thought that it. Stefan briefly before the money turned. up again but the fact that you think. that he's going to steal your daughter's.

Christmas money but you trust him when. asked if Stefan ever expressed that he. wanted to essay a child she says not a. child which is already a bad way to. start but he told me he graduated high. school later like older than 18 He dated. someone younger than 18 she was 15 I. don't know how old he was at the time. like 19 20 but he was an older kid in. high school he graduated late but again. you trusted him with your 13-year-old. daughter. she will also say I believe he did the. but I don't think he ever did anything. evil to her okay like the happened right.

but what if that's completely a side. thing a side thing and not having to do. with her being missing like what if I. just don't think Stefan would have done. anything to her and another I know this. happened but I'm not convinced that he. didn't take her to school I'm not. convinced he's the reason that she's. gone because why M day what's the motive. why that day why the day after her. birthday when we were supposed to spend. the entire week together and have such a. great time we had plans I just can't. think why she was taken not that not by.

anybody that I know has done something. to her because I feel like nobody I know. would do something to H that would hurt. her would murder her or anything like. that someone you know I Sayed her for. years what do you mean no one you know. would hurt her like it's possible that. his story might be true and somebody. else could have taken her like I'm just. thinking like what if we're focusing. like okay the SE things happen right but. what if that's completely s like a side. thing and not having to do with this. like her missing another bizarre thing.

she talks about how her mom ingrained. into her body to never trust a man her. Mom hated Stefan and she admits it. that's why Stefan wasn't even invited to. Maddie's birthday celebration because. her mom absolutely despises Stefan so. the woman that you proudly State. ingrained into you to never trust a man. doesn't like this man and you still. don't see any red. flags it's just weird mhm now one. frustrating thing that I noted was she. is a detail oriented for the most. useless things when it comes to things. that will actually help find Maddie.

she'll say things like uh I want to say. 9:00 a.m. I want to say I'm going to say. and it's very vague nothing is specific. but then when the cop is like oh do you. have a friend that lives in this area. she's like I do I have a friend hold on. let me pull out my maps and give you her. exact home address and phone number it's. like suddenly she's so oddly specific. about the most useless things that have. nothing to do with. anything she's always guesstimating the.

important things I'm going to say I want. to say but then when it's actually. important like that's it that's all she. does later she is told that Maddie is. deceased and the officer is telling her. that he doesn't want her to be surprised. when that information is released to the. public because there's going to be a. press conference she asks am I am I. going to be at the press conference am I. going to hear it which is odd mhm. because you heard it a few days ago when. the authorities told you that they. believe that MD is dead and you're. hearing it now why does it matter if you. hear it again at the press conference.

the problem is that not that you're. hearing it the problem is that your. daughter has been killed she explains to. the officer I've been avoiding the. internet because my family is telling me. that stuff has been leaked on the New. York Post or you guys said something. they're all traumatized from the media. and they're telling me don't and I don't. I don't want to hear it she will be in. the trenches of a really traumatic or. what is supposed to be a traumatic. interview with police and then she'll. say the word. she'll say and then say sorry I have a. horrible potty mouth another odd moment.

is that she keeps continuing to say that. she doesn't believe Stefan would ever. hurt her child and she says quote this. is a very bizarre quote before those. images I would have said absolutely not. mhm but if you're telling me that on the. other side of that penis they showed me. was her with her mouth then there's. nothing else I can believe that has to. be true but before that evidence I would. have said no the way she's describing. is so weird some nens are like it feels. like she is describing seeing a picture.

of her husband and a mistress clearly. she doesn't care about the daughter and. all she cares about is like can can you. 100% verify this man that I like was. intimate with someone else what's even. more bizarre is both Stefan and Jennifer. will constantly talk about how forgetful. Maddie is because she has ADHD but if. you go through all of the police reports. with Maddy's friends family teachers. counselor they all mention one condition. and it's not ADHD it's the fact that she. has asthma and Carries an inhaler so.

most people would assume if your. daughter is missing you would tell the. police she has asthma she needs her. inhaler I can't find her inhaler I don't. know if she has her inhaler what happens. if she has an asthma attack because yes. ADHD is a debilitating thing but asthma. like you're talking about in very. serious situations it could be life or. death in a minute mhm Jennifer also. states that Stefan would sleep with his. shirt and his box or sometimes pants but.

from Stefan's own RIT comments he. responds to a threat people who sleep. naked why he responds shirts and shorts. get caught up in the sheets naked allows. you to move turn under the sheets. without them getting caught up around. you which leads us to the conspiracies. the cesam conspiracy there are. variations of this Theory some believing. that only Stefan is involved in. profiting off of the seesam because. remember they found hundreds of photos. over 400 photos and videos of Maddie. being abused by Stefan but they also. found.

35,000 files of cesam on his hard drive. we don't know how much of that is Maddie. I'm assuming it's not all Maddie I'm. assuming there's a lot of other victims. now I it doesn't seem to be under the. impression that the police believe that. he victimized others or if he was. purchasing the CCM or downloading it off. the internet regardless it seems like a. criminal Enterprise is what neens. believe others argue that Jennifer might. have known and was probably profiting. off of it as well even Stefan's own.

parents are confused about where he was. getting money from because he's. unemployed he's constantly ordering. stuff he constantly is ordering. tomagotchi and packages are coming. non-stop his dad would straight up ask. him where the hell are you getting this. money even Jennifer said she was. confused because he's constantly getting. deliveries but he has no job and he has. no savings and he's broke one of the. roommate said in a police interview the. only time she ever saw Stephan act. nervous. was the day of Monday morning he was. acting a little bit nervous she didn't. recognize it at the time but it was odd. we went over that in part one but also.

he was waiting for a package one time. and he seemed really angsty about it. some people think maybe it was a package. of. cesam he allegedly had a lot of social. media profiles the obvious one Facebook. Instagram Reddit but additionally. Telegram and if you have watched any of. our enth room series I mean you know. what's going on telegram there's a lot. of shady stuff on telegram the the. theory summarized by whaton reads if the. reports are true that the most of the. heinous material is from the room you.

know the little partitioned area where. Maddie slept was it literally created. solely for the intent of production set. value so some neens think because Maddie. never slept in her. room in the living room where it just. has the wall fake walls she never slept. there why did they create this random. room there and if you see pictures of. the room it's very girly it looks like a. teenage girls room which is kind of. normal but some medicin were thinking. more into it if Maddie never sleeps.

there she doesn't spend time there what. if that room is used as a set for. seesam they found Stefan's boxers in. that. room so it feels like it could have been. used for cesam production because maybe. they want to make it look like a little. girl's room where the seesam is. happening the abuse is happening for. some disgusting fetish and also if you. look at pictures there's a webcam Direct. directly facing the bed area but again. it could be more innocent it could just. be the setup of her room she likes to.

sit on her computer and even Stefan's. mom says though well ask yourself the. big question the really big question out. there is all that stuff on his computer. all that stuff on his phone all that. money that was coming in by the handfuls. and the way they were spending it where. did it come from Stefan's dad says we're. very suspicious that there was some kind. of Enterprise going on and of course. police won't tell us anything about it. there's a big web. possibly and in a released document the. warrant reads the files depict the.

performance of a child the images were. taken in a way to elicit a response from. the viewers the neens who believe are. split on whether or not Jennifer was. involved or not they bring up the botox. they say where is she getting this money. for a $350 Botox. appointment perhaps she knew what was. happening but she changed her mind the. very last minute because she realized. how Shady it looks if she goes to that. appointment that day one big component. to the theory is that there are reports. Stefan is receiving commissary money. from a 55-year-old man in Florida.

there's not much information about this. man out there verified information at. the very least but it appears that he's. really the only other person sending. stepan money aside from his family. members it feels random but the only. thing that you can really find on this. guy is that he was apparently arrested. for openly self-pleasuring himself in. front of. miners so you can imagine how do these. two people know each other in addition. to those who believe Jennifer is in. involved in the conspiracy for cesam. there is another piece of evidence that. people are using in a jailhouse phone.

call from Stefan's parents to Stefan his. dad asks him are you cooperating with. the police about her participation in. any of this stuff there's been no. opportunity for me to cooperate with. anything as I understand the police keep. saying that I'm uncooperative but they. haven't asked me anything to cooperate. with so whatever that means that's one. big conspiracy but that still doesn't. cover motive even Jennifer which is. weird she says there's no motive they. were about to have a great weekend so. why would he kill her that Monday. morning Sunday night Monday morning what.

would be the motive Maddie's friend. mentions to the officers that she did. notice something strange with Maddie. recently they're usually cycle synced. but Maddie had not had her period around. the same time when police question. Jennifer about this Jennifer says. actually that is weird she was supposed. to have her she goes missing on the 26. she was supposed to have her period. early February in the beginning of. February and she did not now my. understanding is that you had some sort. of period tracker that you kept track of. Madeline's period with I had a calendar.

app that I would write I would write. what days she would get her period yeah. in February no I didn't notice her using. any of her feminine hygiene products. could they test for that or no yes but. they probably won't release it to the. public anytime soon mhm the officer asks. her and she didn't tell you about this. last cycle no no you don't find that odd. yes now that you bring it up yes would. there be obvious signs that she's on her. cycle as far as certain product she. might use AKA maybe she just didn't tell. you but she was bleeding yeah her pads I.

would get her a box every two cycles or. so I would usually hear about her breast. hurting or her period cramps but I. didn't hear any of that but the biggest. factor that makes neens believe this is. the motive is December 16th 2023 this is. released from a police report Maddie. sent Stefan a text message a photograph. of two silver coins the coins have the. writing new parent decision coin two. text we need this get this for us please. the coins are from Amazon it's called. fun new parent decision coin and in the.

product description it reads gifts for. new mom and dad parent gifts baby shower. for. $4.29 so on one side of the coin it says. Daddy's turn and Mommy's turn the. purpose being I guess if the baby is. crying in the middle of the night you. flip the coin who goes this is in. December of. 2023 so 2 months before she goes missing. H okay the description reads if you have. friends or family members that are. pregnant or are new parents this is a. perfect gift for them the case report.

reads this is not speculation on my part. the case report reads due to the fact. that this conversation was not near. Father's Day or Mother's Day leads one. to believe Maddie and Stefan had. possibly spoken about conceiving a child. perhaps it could be that some people who. don't believe in this think that maybe. it was for one of their tomagotchi but. if you go on read it a lot of people say. that tagachi the lifespan of the. tomagotchi being a baby mhm was like an. hour. where you just have to be a lot more. attentive to your device because the. tagachi is a baby but you wouldn't need.

to spend money to flip a coin for like. an hour it's weird but some others. believe maybe it's not just pregnancy or. maybe it's not at all pregnancy it's. jealousy in the interrogation room. there's this very odd moment where he. asks the officers okay the officers are. asking him actually what happened Sunday. night between you and Maddie like did. you guys have any sort of conversation. or did an incident take place and he. says you mean like a fight. which is weird what would a 38-year-old. man and a 13-year-old girl fight about. it's one thing if you're a good parental.

figure and you're buting heads over some. sort of disciplinary situation but I. would hardly describe that as a fight he. tells officers no Sunday night was. completely normal she was very happy and. she was telling him about a crush that. she had on a boy at school and they. asked him how does that make you feel. fine she knows she's not old enough to. date but you know I told her crush on do. you think has she had any boyfriend. friends in the. past not per se you know like boyfriends. as however they can be early on but we.

decided that she was too young needed to. avoid that BS all right being that she's. too young so she shouldn't be having. sexual voice not of B none of it counts. it's real what do you mean none of it. counts none of it's real has she ever. disclosed that she was being active with. boys no not that I'm aware of it just. feels like he's. jealous none of it counts none of it's. real fine why would I fine it's. weird perhaps it's a combination of.

jealousy pregnancy and potentially. control like I said everybody said that. Maddie was getting better maybe he felt. like she is loosening from his grip and. it's only a matter of time before she. tells somebody but with the potential. control Narrative of if control was the. motive it doesn't make sense how he. could allegedly kill her because it's. even more rky than what he's already. done but another aspect of this. conspiracy is that maybe he thought that. he would never get caught in another.

thread on Reddit he talks about how he. loves having guns he writes in an Ideal. World a gun would never be needed but we. don't live in an ideal world we live in. the real world where bad things happen. to good and innocent people all the time. and often with no resolutions or. convictions especially in some of the. areas I have lived in he writes you know. therapy is for victims and therapy is. great for victims provided the victim. are still you know alive and well and. therapy may or may not help the victim. in the long term how about not having a.

victim at all if a scumbag attempts to. kill me or my loved ones why should I. roll over and let him I am alive and I. therefore have the natural right to. continue living that is something I. believe and I will defend with my own. life if someone attempts to take it if. someone had an assault rifle and was. trying to kidnap my wife or child there. would absolutely be some lethal Gunplay. involved at that point I would not sit. idly by and just let it happen and hope. that the cops do their jobs well well. and hope my loved ones aren't too. molested or too murdered by the time. that they're found if ever are you okay.

with standing by while someone you love. is awarded murdered kidnapped beaten. robbed maimed Etc is it okay then for a. person to decide whether their victim. lives or dies which is very rich coming. from him considering what he's accused. of doing so you've got the C Sam ring. allegations which side note I believe. that um a choir teacher meline is a good. singer by the way she was in choir um a. choir teacher at the same exact middle. school that meline SoDo goes was.

arrested for having C Sam on his phone. this is a recent development from from. this case from this case I don't know if. stepan is talking cooperating ratting. people out or if they're just taking a. good look at everybody nearby but there. has been an influx of people getting. arrested in that Central Florida area. for cam. charges maybe it's connected maybe it's. not I think we'll just have to wait and. find out but we have the CCM allegations. this bigger theory that seems every day.

to seem more and more true and then you. have the motives jealousy control and. ultimately the biggest Theory and motive. pregnancy and then you also have people. debating about the the impact that. Stefan's parents are having on this case. they've been a huge part of this case. they've been interesting figures in all. of this they will say some absolutely. transparent stuff about about their own. child Stefan valid things about him but. then also go and defend him at other. points his parents have said about their.

own son if his lips are moving he's. lying we don't know if it's the truth if. his lips are open he's a gaslighter you. know he could make you think that things. were one way when they were a total. other way and do it with such sincerity. that you questioned yourself he's a. narcissist it was all about Stefan if. Stefan wanted it then he didn't want to. wait he didn't want to wait for. Christmas he didn't want to wait for his. birthday it was now now now now now and. then he would throw a fit he would steal. his parents money jewelry his Grandpa's. heirloom Rolex that he left behind I. mean just nonstop they would say all the.

most transparent things about him but. then on one hand it does seem like. they're sticking by their son. Stefan so Stefan's jailhouse calls have. been released and in one jail and some. of his emails in one jailhouse email. from Stefan to his father it reads hey I. just got access to my tablet again they. have moved me to a regular isolation. cell in C pod now presumably this is. where I'll stay for a while it's not. exactly the rits it's a small cell and. the pot is quite noisy I don't think I.

didn't think that I would miss the. medical pod but now I wish I was back in. that big cell you know where I at least. could partially see out the window and. look at the sky and the grass and the. trees off in the distance as they suway. in the breeze but in this new pod the. mat is flat and has very little cushion. left the cell is small filthy and has. some spots on the wall that appear to be. bloody. fingerprints he then requests his. parents send two books to him Congo and. the The Hobbit potentially a third book. on how to make origami because a quote. could be interesting to learn and it's a. good way to pass time and satisfy my.

need to create and craft and use my. hands he also sends his parents a lot of. very annoying to read wo is me emails. they read I just got a good look at my. face in the dark reflection of my tablet. my eyes are a bit sunk in with dark. circles underneath and my cheekbones are. sticking out so much they look like they. could cut you I don't doubt that I'm. continuing to lose weight I am now going. on 4 months in here and all that time. I've never never felt a full. stomach and have in fact forgotten what. it is like there is never a time these.

days when I don't feel hungry even right. after a meal in which I completely clear. my tray I still feel hungry write me a. monologue nobody cares later in the. email he asks for more money I have only. seven coffees left which is dangerously. low for me I usually like to have two a. day and have started rationing down to. one but soon I will have none and then I. will really be glum I also still only. have three pieces of root beer candy. left so things are getting quite Bleak. here for me Stefan calls his dad from.

jail and denies the murder he says um. obviously you know it's not true um you. know I never would have wanted her gone. for any reason so you know premeditated. first degree is kindy of kind punch that. he's getting charged with that he's like. whoa that's unnecessary that's Overkill. that's basically his tone of voice. annoyingly he goes on to talk about how. that weekend that week was going to be a. great week why would he have motive to. kill meline he says it was we were all. very happy that I was there we were.

happy that the three of us were together. it was shaking up to be a great week and. a great visit there's no reason for. anything to happen he also mentions. about the whole situation with meline. the ESS situation well I didn't start. it is he implying that meline started it. or is he implying that Jennifer started. it what is he implying if he's implying. meline I don't know I think he should. have long talk about his charges with. his fellow inmates then and maybe he. should tell them that the 8-year-old. girl started it see what they think they.

say well you didn't start it but you. participated in it which is just as bad. as not starting it but that's for. another day who said that the parents. which is also crazy like if that were my. son uttering words like that I think. that I would potentially need police to. restrain me he says you know I would. never wanted that for her I'm not really. sure that anyone person is specifically. responsible it's probably a combination. of factors that led to it I have never. felt anything like that before it was.

horrible he also continues to rant to. his parents about how bad prison is he. says my core temperature was down like a. degree or two lower than it should have. been every time they took it first night. it was concrete floor with a rolled up. toilet paper for a pillow nothing else. so there are some neens who support. Stefan's parents because they feel that. in their own weird way they are also. victims in all of this because they too. are traumatized they're hurt and they're. trying to figure out how to navigate how. to consolidate their love for their own. son while damning what he's done that's.

how some netizens feel they point that. even Stefan is so heartless to them. perhaps he has given them a lifetime of. pain when on the phone with Stefan while. he's in jail his parents tell him the. penalty for the crimes you've been. charged with they carry a minimum 40e. sentence so obviously we're going to be. gone your brother's going to be gone. we'll all be gone I mean we're sad about. that obviously because there won't be. anybody else for you when you get out. Stefan does not care his response is. yeah well I'll be lucky if I'll have. another 40 years left in me either so at. the end of the call he asked them if you.

wouldn't mind putting a little more. money in my commissary as well all right. well I can't do much Stefan because we. really are um when I say dead ass broke. I mean dead ass broke but I will do what. I can Stefan's mom tells officers she. feels like she's in the seventh ring of. hell they State he did this and we know. that now we're not making excuses for. him but we cannot abandon him they also. mention how they're getting harassed. online but Stefan just says about them. Stefan says this that he hates going to. his parents house because it's full of.

poodles and deaf old people AKA his. parents but some nens blame his parents. because they're like I think that he. played the parents played a role in how. he became this way and the fact that. they're supporting him after all these. charges further validates that they are. enabling him to some degree it just. seems like they baby him a lot of neens. Express frustration with the fact that. he's nearly 40 years old he's doing. nothing with his life his parents just. let him they pay his rent they let him. stay in his room painting figurines all.

day sleeping all day just eating dinner. whenever they have food prepared his. room is so dirty that his mom wants to. put on a Hazmat sticker over his door. but again they're letting him they. complain about it but they're letting. him they also talk about how the poodles. are noisy and it's just causes so much. tension in the house because stepan. doesn't sleep at night he sleeps through. the day and if the poodles bark in the. day because I don't know the mailman is. coming then Stefan will have a lay up. AKA it sounds like he has anger. issues this is again a 37-year-old man.

in the same interview stepan parents. will talk about how he has a high IQ and. he's highly intelligent and they say. that his IQ is bordered on genius and. that he has a deep empathy for other. people they will also say some things. that trigger a lot of netizens um the. mom is asked if she saw any of this if. she saw any alarm Bells go off she. states that when Jennifer meline and. Stefan had come to visit their home one. day they had noticed that they all slept.

in the same bed and she was like no you. cannot do that Maddie will sleep with me. grandpa will sleep somewhere else cuz. that's weird and she claims that she. told Jennifer about it and Jennifer was. like whatever and she just felt like. they're going to do what they're going. to do and there's nothing that she can. do to stop them but then at the same. time she'll say that she never suspected. her son would do anything to Maddie. because Maddie would even go over to. Stefan give him a kiss on the cheek and. tell him that she loved him I'm sure. they're just trying to explain how they. never suspected anything but in certain.

situations this could be miscommunicated. as almost victim blaming in a. sense they also seem more shocked that. Jennifer would let Maddie and Stefan. sleep in the same bed together rather. than why is your son sleeping with a. 13-year-old girl even even if that were. the case I would expect my son my. hypothetical 37-year-old son to be like. hey I don't think I want to be in this. relationship anymore because Jennifer. you're weird first of all and second of. all I'm not sleeping with your. 13-year-old daughter you're this is. weird I might call CPS on you but that.

being said they express more outrage. with Jennifer and they'll also say. things like I think he was careful in. placing Maddie's body where she would be. quickly found deep down inside he didn't. want her out there very long his father. also says given the gravity of the. charges and knowing what the penalty is. we're resigned to accept that fate and. the fact that we can lose in a multitude. of ways in any given time some prisoner. in the jail could off him you know and. we're just we're just dealing with that.

on a day-to-day basis they also go on a. state I can say I love somebody but I. don't have to like them I don't have to. like the way they act that doesn't mean. we are ever ever despite what anybody on. YouTube says yeah they don't like a lot. of YouTubers covering this case or. anybody hints that we are not abandoning. our child he is wounded he is having. PTSD in jail he lost a tremendous amount. of weight he is on heart medication high. blood pressure medication which he has. not been on before I understand that. people thinks he needs to Suffer Well. yes okay he needs to be punished he.

needs to suffer but don't expect me as a. mother to turn off my heart and say. buddy you're on your own I don't like. you I don't like what you did and I'm. not going to stand by you one bit. because I want for I want him for the. time that he has left on this Earth we. don't know how long that is I will give. him as much support as he needs I want. him to be strong in mind body and spirit. wouldn't you do the same wouldn't. anybody no I can cont defitely say that. I would not I do also find it very. interesting when the accused someone. that is accused of taking another.

person's life especially a child's life. can do something as heinous but also. have the audacity to bring up that they. have high blood pressure like I'm. supposed to find some care in my heart. for that I know lots of innocent people. who have high blood pressure and they. don't make it a thing you killed someone. allegedly why make it a thing some nens. also feel like going to try to dump all. of this on Jennifer in one of the jail. house calls Stefan's parents tell him. that Jennifer was quote speculation that.

she's been put in an institution and. hiding in an institution that's her. lawyer's request so they're saying her. lawyer is telling her to go to the. institution it'll probably look better. for you we don't know we don't know if. this is true we don't know if it's not. true we don't know anything in another. interview Stefan's mom says I'm not. letting Jennifer off the hook at all I. cannot believe someone let this go. underneath their nose for 7 years I. don't understand how she didn't have a. connection with Maddie enough that. Maddie could go and say Hey you know. maybe maybe something's not right here.

they say the immunity Galls me all the. lies all of the all of the things that. she did are all wiped clean she never. has to worry about it again which again. that's not how derivative use immunity. works but. which it's just it's almost like saying. I understand why netizens are upset with. Jennifer but why is she upset that's. almost like saying if Jennifer had been. a better person she could have stopped. my son from being a deplorable person.

and stepan's dad is on the same page he. writes an email to Stefan while Stefan. is in jail that reads we all know that. redacted likely Jennifer was heavily. involved in this and I disgusted that. she is free and you are not when this is. not all your fault you need to think. about yourself more and her less she. sure isn't thinking of you and how she. can help you right now that whole family. is willing to stay quiet and let you. take the fall for everything. Stefan's dad even tells the authorities. I think Stefan decided to be the Fall. Guy in this because he's feeling remorse. over the inappropriate relationship that.

he's had with Maddie inappropriate. relationship speaking of remorse. Stefan's mom says about Stefan's. interview with news Outlet after Maddie. goes missing remember he was like crying. his eyes were red the other thing is. that as a mother I have not seen that. that mother cry you do not fake the. sound of his voice like I have not seen. that child cry like that my son you you. do not fake that sound in his voice the. clog sinuses that he was dealing with. that man was sick I just know that he's. the only one that's feeling any remorse.

or any sorrow for that child Jennifer is. not this is freaking. crazy yeah they also bring up that. Jennifer was a bad influence on Stefan. right off the bat because they bring up. her drugs aka the medication that she. takes and don't get me wrong I will side. ey genifer SoDo until my eyes are. embedded next to my ears on the side of. my skull but that's for not protecting. Maddie that is not for being a bad. influence on Stefan Stefan's mom says. Jennifer is quote she's bipolar she's.

bisual she's a drug addict she has a. young. child. yeah what she also rants about how. Jennifer can't keep a job but neither. can your son so I guess they're a. perfect. match and also ma'am your son is accused. of seesam abuse and murder but you're. upset about someone being. bisexual she Stefan's mom also has a. moment where she talks about how a lot. of girls will go after Stefan like. they'll pursue. Stefan she seems like the Mother-in-law.

that calls all of her son's girlfriends. just crazy obsessed it's like I don't. think a singular person is running after. your son like that investigators even. ask Stefan's parents hey like do you. know what kinds of people Stefan is into. cuz it seems like he's into. miners but she says no he he's into big. boobs. which is the total opposite of what. Jennifer States Jennifer was also asked. if he has any kinks because they're. trying to figure out has he spoken to.

people about his interest in you know. doing the worst thing that a human can. do but she says he's into butts he. really likes keeps begging for. it but she says no because it already. hurts cuz it's very thick that's those. are her words not mine I don't know okay. but then his is saying big boobs and so. some netizens feel like that's weird it. feels like she's saying that to make. Stefan appear like a well- adjusted man.

that likes full grown woman which is. clearly not true so now Stefan is facing. two trials in court he is now awaiting. two he has been charged with 60 counts. including eight counts of sex battery on. a child Under 12 5 counts of sey with a. child aged 12 to 18 7 counts of lwd. molestation 40 counts of unlawful. possession of materials depicting SE. performance of a child and each of those. 40 counts means 10 or more files so it's. not one per file right now that means. they' found 400 images and videos but.

it's likely more 35,000 on his hard. drive but um in terms of what they're. charging him for like they don't need to. charge him for every little. count they might add on more and. eventually he was charged with. first-degree premeditated murder the. prosecutors file a notice of intent to. seek capital punishment they're going. for the death penalty this is in Florida. and it's clear that Stefan has no REM. Morse at least in my opinion he tells. his dad while he's in jail obviously. there are concerns that the police are. artificially inflating everything up as.

high as they can possibly do it you know. what is the plan what the plan is there. the prosecutors they're just trying to. scare me into pleading down or I don't. know that's what he says additionally. there's a level of delusion that he has. he tells his parents to have his social. security card ready just in case he gets. released this is after the murder. charges are tacked on he even emails his. dad as for my tamagachi vet collection. that is hanging in the closet and around. the room don't do anything with them. just yet until we know how things will. shake out a lot of them are rare and.

expensive and difficult if not. impossible to replace in the kind of. pristine condition they are in so leave. them for now until we know more about. what my situation is going to. be you're about to be someone else's. tamagachi in jail okay let's let's get. our mind back to reality he continues I. have access to the law library which has. a lot of case you know law rulings I've. been busy looking through anything that. has relevant my own situation and I. think I found some things which give me.

some hope but only some I can't explain. too much on here but there is still. perhaps a slim hope for my situation at. any rate my odds are not 0% at this time. I genuinely think that he to a degree. thinks he's going to get away with it. because previously on Reddit he talks. about cops and he says cops don't get. paid enough to honestly investigate. anything and nothing will happen unless. they do you do their jobs for them and. hand them all the evidence yourself. fingerprints are really only something. that gets pulled in movies or on TV all. the movies and shows make it look like.

they're going to catch you no matter. what but it's just what they want you to. think in reality it's almost the. opposite most cops don't really have any. investigative skills and are low on. deductive reasoning or just don't want. to work that's what happens when. agencies pay low and hire people with. IQs that are low it's not a job that. attracts a lot of intelligent. people truly maybe he thinks he's going. to get away with it and perhaps he. thinks he deserves himself sympathy. because unprompted on a random ask. Reddit thread where the original poster. is asking do you think someone like. Louis CK you know the comedian should be.

able to get their careers back or should. he be canceled for life why are why not. he writes it's complicated but the short. answer is he does not deserve to have. his career destroyed forever and ever. with no hope of ever moving on or coming. out from it he deserves to be punished. but I'm not sure he should be labeled a. monster forever a person can do bad. things or several bad things throughout. their lives but should it cancel out the. good things they may have done too. should it be permanent brands on their. soul a scarlet letter that they carry. for life people make mistakes but.

depending on the severity those mistakes. shouldn't necessarily be held over their. heads forever I do believe that everyone. deserves their right to a fair trial. having said that the defense has already. filed a series of motions to try and. first get rid of the death penalty and. limit Victim Impact statements for the. murder trial they are filing motions to. allow testimony from the defendant's. family on the impact of the execution so. they're saying Stefan's family should be. able to tell the judge what would happen.

to their lives if Stefan is executed. however madd's family and friends should. not be allowed to testify at all and. talk about what Maddie being gone means. to them they also don't like the word. murder they filed a motion to prohibit. the reference of the word murder during. the trial they said don't say the. victim's murder the murder scene the. motion reads the defense requests that. the word homicide be used instead of. murder when it comes to witness. particularly law enforcement officer. testimony because the legal term for. killing a human being whether lawfully.

or unlawfully is homicide there is no. crime of homicide so they are saying. murder already implies a crime but he. hasn't been convicted of a crime yet so. they need to use the word. homicide Stefan I believe also is going. to hit them with the PTSD defense he was. hit by a car twice when he was younger. and on his Reddit account he does a. whole rant cuz he's like on a parenting. Reddit thread and he's like having a. baby doesn't mean that you the only. person in the world who has experienced.

any sort of excruciating pain have you. ever been run over by a truck and. dragged under the vehicle across the. pavement to the point where your flesh. is shredded off down to the muscle. fibers and several locations that hurts. pretty damn bad too ask me how I know. yeah he says so does shattering your KNE. so does a lot of things I'm sure you've. never experienced or even contemplated. once in your life pain is human pain is. life pain is not unique to one person or. gender so let's not get into that sort. of pissing contest in another Reddit. thread he says I have an absolute. boatload of.

PTSD so and that is where we are at. Jennifer has not been charged with. anything one more thing sorry I know. this episode is so long a lot of. netizens have pointed out that it just. seems like a lot of people failed in. madd's life the school could have called. early to let the parents know that. Maddie did not attend they didn't let. anybody know and if had called Jennifer. maybe she would have been at least worst. case scenario forced to call the police. because how do you not go looking for.

your child immediately after and maybe. things could have been discovered. quicker I don't know if that would have. changed anything and then the counselor. she was told that this man in her life. her mother's boyfriend makes her. uncomfortable maybe she should have. asked more questions maybe the other. teacher should have asked more questions. about why she was having so many sleepy. days it didn't seem normal. maybe other family members should have. asked even madd's biological father and. I'm sure he lives in a different state. it doesn't seem like he's involved in.

anything that's not even what I'm. implying but there is definitely a. disconnect and maybe he did everything. that was in his capacity that he could. have done or felt he could have done but. I just don't think it was enough because. as for Maddie in an interview he says to. the officer I can give you the context. if you need but Maddie reminded me of a. character from a show called euphoria. that is literally a show about high. schoolers doing drugs and being overized. and he says in the sense that there was.

just an emotional weight about her that. I did not understand what the cause was. it just seemed like she was dealing with. stuff that a 12-year-old girl shouldn't. deal with but I didn't get to see her. enough to really pry she went from being. a silly little girl to a Euphoria. character which Euphoria is a show all. about kids who are dealing with crazy. levels of trauma I don't know how to. explain it these young girls have this. Thousand Mile look on their faces that I. would expect out of Vietnam veterans not.

little girls it just confuses me how so. many young girls have that look in their. eyes and then I guess he didn't do. anything one nen comment reads Maddie. you deserved adults in your life that. loved you and would have put you first. I'm sorry that you had such a rough. childhood I hope you're in a better. place now and with that that is what's. going on with this case let me know your. thoughts in the comments do you think. there is a whole C Sam ring involved. especially with the recent arrest in. Central Florida do you think that she.

was pregnant do you think that Jennifer. SoDo knew a lot more I mean how much do. you think she knew did she know after. the fact did she know during did she. know before what the plans were what are. your thoughts let me know in the. comments be safe and I'll see you in the. next one. [Music].