Spoiled Teen Angry, Drives 105mph, Kills Friend - Because Mom Won’t Give Him Amex Gold Card

[Music]. bading badao there is a special interest. that exists it's called chloroform. interest where one person might have. this fantasy in which they pretend to. chloroform someone rendering them. completely consenting but unconscious so. that they can do a list of predetermined. agreed upon acts to said unconscious. person both parties are in on it one. person wants to chloroform another. person the other person is begging to be.

chloroformed which side note chloroform. is a chemical that used to be used as an. anesthetic for humans during surgeries. to put it very simply it's going to. knock you out there's these little Gaba. receptors in the brain they're like. little off switches and the chloro form. they reach the Gaba receptors and they. turn off the neurons if you will your. brain shuts down leading to this massive. slowdown in brain activity you've likely. seen kidnapping scenes in movies where. they soak a rag in form and they sneak.

up on someone they pull the rag out of. their trench coat pocket and then push. it up against their face you see the. victim momentarily freak out before they. go completely limp they pass out they. get dragged into a white van it actually. doesn't really work like that chloroform. takes at least a few minutes of. breathing in chloroform for someone to. be rendered unconscious but from my. understanding it seems that adults with. this special intimate interest they lean. towards fantasies of one person being.

the kidnapper and one person being the. victim that's the Allure of this of the. anticipation of an event like this the. buildup when is it going to happen how. are they going to kidnap me how are they. going to render me unconscious where. will they take me when will I come to. and wake up what am I going to wake up. to it's like a suspenseful thriller. movie that's just playing out in real. life the desire is less about the actual. scenario but rather about the power. dynamics the idea that one party can. kidnap you at any given moment they have.

power over you and the experience of the. quote victim being utterly passive and. compliant some people go as far to. categorize this under a larger fetish. umbrella which is consenting to adult. activities while one party is. unconscious or asleep but I wouldn't. categorize it under that since it seems. like there are a good amount of people. out there that specifically want the. chloroform aspect of it they want some.

to chloroform them or they want to do it. to someone it's a completely normal. interest so long as you do not use. actual chloroform most people will. imagine or play out roleplay the. experience of what it would be like to. be chloroformed minus the actual. chloroform that's usually how it's. practiced anything beyond that is just. way too dangerous there is a very narrow. margin between the dosage required to. achieve. unconsciousness and straight up death. some people have asked the Community for.

tips how do I go even further than role. playing I want to start using the real. deal and nearly every single person. scolds them in the comments they're. asking them are you insane one nzen. writes my partner is a pharmacist and a. medication safety specialist if there is. any safe way to have this interest he. would know there is not if there is a. safe way to knock someone out to the. point where you can just tie them up and. do whatever you would like to them. whilst they're unconscious without. waking them up without the risk of.

accidentally killing them then. anesthesiologists would not have to. train for so long another comment reads. you cannot knock someone unconscious. without serious risk of permanent damage. or death another writes chloroform is. dangerous and will most likely kill your. partner if you're going to pretend to do. it then fair enough but never ever try. and obtain and use the real thing they. say remember the three rules of adult. activities safe sane consensual this is. not safe this is not sane on top of that.

another comment reads chloroform doesn't. really work the way that you see in. movies it can take a good 20 minutes for. it to finally put someone under and even. then you got to hold that there during. which you can get chemical burns on that. person's face that never go away it's. permanent damage another comment reads. chloroform is a great thing if you want. to leave chemical burns and don't mind. killing a few of your special interest. people involved the problem being that. poisoning the body until it passes is. out is only a small step away from.

poisoning it to the point of killing the. body another person just writes do not. use chloroform although it does make. people pass out with the right quantity. the line between passing out and dying. is so close so let's just say it's not. going to be fun if you use actual. chloroform and actual chemicals one. poster writes about how a few years ago. they tried to pass out with chlorop form. it's a long story but a few years ago. one of their friends had worked in this. lab with mice and they used chloroform.

as an anesthetic for the mice and I. guess as a prank or something he gifts. op a bottle of the chloroform which he. never requested in fact the original. poster of this comment was a little bit. upset that he got gifted this because. this is a whole other story it's just. Shady if you have a bottle of chloroform. and likely it's a hassle to get rid of. it in a safe way I don't think you can. just pour it down your drains I don't. think you can just pour it down the. toilet you can't just throw it out in. the trash I'm sure there's a whole. method to it so what does OP do with. this now he decides well I figured if I.

wanted to experiment now was the time I. wanted to see if it was like it was in. the movies so I gave it a try and found. while you could absolutely pass someone. out with it it's way over dramatized in. film he tried four times to use. chloroform he put it on a sock he put it. on his face and the very last time he. experimented he said you know I tried it. I guess I kept the sock a bit too close. to my face for a bit too long I woke up. on the floor in between my computer desk.

and my speaker cabinet I'm not sure how. I didn't knock the speaker over but I. got up in this days wondering why was I. on the ground like that why was I like. that I got back on my computer like. nothing happened about 2 minutes go by. and I realized holy sh I knocked myself. out he proceeds through the rest of the. day and fast forward two days he had. been laying on his bedroom floor for the. past 48. Hours what so he knocks out he gets and. he's like oh that was weird I was out.

for a few minutes the rest of the day. continues like nothing and then he. doesn't remember the next time he knocks. out and the second time he knocks out. he's gone for like 2 4 days oh he passed. out again for two days yes how he. doesn't know he just woke up on the. bedroom floor 2 days had gone by he said. he's sweating like crazy feeling. insanely cold and sicker than he's ever. felt he said I was also peeing dark dark. red so what do you know I have time to.

do some more research I find that the. toxic properties of chloroform they take. a long time to leave your system they. build and build very slowly and they. leave slowly and that is when I realized. how close to death I. was wow again I'm not judging a single. person who might have this interest I'm. not here to dictate what anyone does in. their free time or to make someone feel. bad about their interest but please. everyone do not use real chloroform I. want everyone to be safe and alive so. with that being said Remember the three.

pillars safe saying. consensual a woman in New York let's. call her Valerie she's Anonymous in the. last few months of 2023 she's been. having these. dreams it feels like a dream and. logically it makes the most sense that. it's a dream because there's no other. explanation for any of this she will. just wake up in the middle of the night. see what feels like a rag being held. over her face she smells a strong. slightly sweet but also chemically scent.

and then she blacks out maybe she goes. back to sleep maybe it's a dream she. doesn't even know the first time it. happened I'm sure we can all come up. with some sort of rational explanation. for this but the second time the third. time the fourth time she's like okay I. just need to know what is going on what. is happening why do I keep having these. dreams or visions or whatever this is. December 29th 2023 she decides to set up. a hidden camera right behind the. humidifier of the turtle tank in the. room she's got a little turtle tank in.

there she sets up the camera and she's. just recording herself she just wants to. know what is happening when she goes to. sleep that she has these weird memories. dreams she doesn't know she sets up the. camera in the room and she falls asleep. she comes to she wakes up at around 2:00. in the morning and she decides okay that. was weird I felt like I had the same. dream I had the same feeling let me go. check the camera she rewatches the. footage in the middle of the night after. she had fallen asleep that night a man. walks in with a rag into her room while.

she's sleeping approaches the bed pushes. the rag against her face and I'm sure. she can visibly on the footage see. herself struggling fighting it before. her body goes limp and she blacks out. that figure then proceeds to touch her. everywhere but the craziest thing is she. was at work that night the man in the. video is her boss 60-year-old Paul Kali.

an. anesthesiologist drugging her and. essaying her while she works overnight. to babysit his kids who both have. disabilities while he's supposed to be. at the hospital and he came back to drug. her and Essay. her the doctor is immediately arrested. and confesses to the whole thing he says. yes he would fill this rag with sofine. it's an anesthetic that he would bring. home from the hospital he would put it. on a rag now I do want want to mention.

that even though he reportedly later. states to the authorities that he has. chloroform fetish he did not use. chloroform it's no longer used in. hospitals seof flurin is supposed to be. the safer version of it and apparently. it has a much much quicker recovery time. compared to other inhaled anesthetics. like chloroform which also means it's. easier for doctors to control it's great. but it's still incredibly dangerous he. put soflin that he stole from the. hospital put it on a rag to cover his. babysitter's nose and mouth to render.

her. unconscious wow so I wanted to talk. about this case cuz I saw a few people. emailing me about it after we talked. about the French case literally the last. episode was the French case where the. wife was getting drugged and they were. like oh my gosh recently on the news. there had been not the same but the. similar method being used in the states. wow the doctor stated that he was. attracted to the element of her being. blacked out because he personally has. quote chloroform fetish. now I'm glad that he told the.

authorities all of this but also I'm not. sure where his attorney is because he. States He specifically chose to do this. to his Nanny because she's a quote easy. Target and she's a quote heavy. sleeper mind you he is a chief. anesthesiologist at his hospital he's. also a dad to two twin girls and he's. married when the authorities search his. house they found other drugs that he had. taken home from the hospital such as. fentanyl he had enough Fentanyl to kill. 8,000.

people what somehow with the video. evidence with the crimes of stealing. drugs from the hospital he was just. barred from practicing medicine and will. only have to serve four years in prison. that is it he's 60 by the way so if. there are conversations right now about. is she really the only victim that he's. had he's likely been practicing as an. anesthesiologist for most of his life. he's admitted to having a chloroform. fetish according to the press releases. and the way he commits his crime is so. aggressively in your face he has no fear.

some theorize that he could have easily. had more victims which side note if it. is true that he has this particular. fetish interest that's terrifying there. was this one poster on a forum that. reads I have a major fantasy about woman. being put to sleep through chloroform. AMA ask me anything someone commented. have you ever considered becoming an. anesthesiologist to which this person. with the same shared interest responds. wow amazing question there absolutely.

was a time in my life where the idea. crossed my mind I was a teenager. deciding what to do after school I was. incredibly terrified though at the idea. of living a life where my work and my. fantasies were mixing together a major. part of it was could I have kept it all. together and manage this fantasy in a. professional context I think it's. already hard enough to just plain have. this fantasy and openly talk about it in. a professional context though it would. be impossible if this topic would come.

up in real life even amongst my friends. and people that I trust and respect even. when everybody around me is drunk I get. super red and I start getting flustered. like this mixed feeling of enjoyment. embarrassment and arousal what if I'm on. the operating table and I royally [ __ ]. up because I have this fantasy I could. never live with. myself many netizens agree stating it. makes it even creepier that Dr Paul is. an anesthesiologist because again. if it's true that he has this fetish.

imagine the anesthesiologist in charge. of your life keeping you stable and safe. during the operation is too busy getting. off on the fact that they rendered you. unconscious mhm even minor errors or. oversights in anesthesiology have severe. consequences literally death brain. damage death those are the. consequences another comment reads. shouldn't the fact that he was a doctor. and had knowledge and the specialized. knowledge and commission of these crimes. have been aggregator rather than a.

mitigator I mean it makes the crime. worse that he knows how dangerous this. is yeah another comment reads so she. basically got all the evidence herself. gave it to the police and then he only. got four years this is so ridiculous his. attorney states that Dr Paul is now. quote assuming responsibility for his. crimes and is now focusing on tending to. his family one comment just reads that's. privilege for you with money buying the. best lawyers and gaming the whole bias. legal system there is a lawsuit pending.

in Civil Court I hope the victim gets. better Justice in the Civil courts. because this whole situation is very. demented what are your thoughts on that. situation I just wanted to cover the. case cuz I did receive a few emails on. it it reminded me so much of the French. case in a certain way and it's happening. here in the United States but there. wasn't enough information to do a full. Deep dive so we'll just have to wait and. see what happens in The Civil courts. [Music].

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funnel in $135 million every single year. to race each other in high-speed cars. we're talking about Formula 1 on 22 to. 24 different tracks around the world. they race each other the competition. goes a little like this each team out of. the 10 teams has to design and. manufacture their own car from scratch. their own Vehicles there's a whole list. of regulations that are set by the FIA. and the F1 teams that each team has to.

follow apparently that's why it's called. Formula 1 that's the formula in Formula. 1 given the regulations given all of. these random rules each team is trying. to find the best formula for the fastest. car and it's really difficult I mean the. regulations are pretty nitpicky one. interesting regulation is that F1 driers. drink bottles need to be 1 and 1/2 l or. less that's not a lot of water is that. what what it's not a lot of water at all. okay for the whole 90 minutes that.

they're racing and the fact that they're. regulating how much water or how much. drink you can bring into your car as an. F1 driver is kind of fascinating now. they say it's set because it's a safety. hazard in the case of a crash but also. without a bottle limit teams might try. to use larger drink containers for. weight distribution benefits H it's that. crazy which side note they're not even. talking about Stanley bottles the drink. system for drivers is typically this big. squeezy bag that's piped into the helmet. and it's not water it's glucose water.

it's sugar water that has vitamins and. minerals to keep drivers at Peak. Performance levels throughout the 90. minutes some drivers stayed Actually I. don't even like to drink it during the. whole 90 minutes after the first lap I. stopped drinking it because the heat in. the car heats up the drink to the point. where it's uncomfortably hot and all. these highly specific regulations each. car needs to be able to be the fastest. at two things going highp speed needs in. a straight line on a straight road but.

also very good at making super fast. turns apparently that's a very difficult. combination to nail if you're good at. one likely you're not good at the other. one these people are basically testing. the rules of physics on a daily basis. you also have to factor in that at the. end of the day these are cars they can. overheat you need to have cooling. systems to make sure your car does not. essentially blow up from overexerting. itself and it is so so detailed you know. how the Formula 1 cars they have the. logos and sponsors on their cars M the.

fastest cheapest way to get those logos. would to be slap a giant sticker on the. car like a bumper sticker which they. don't do because it's not because they. need to save money it's because even the. stickers add the tiniest bit of weight. which causes drag on the cars so they. need to be spray painted on the 10 teams. are coming in to the finish line within. seconds of each other the margins of. winning are so slim the only way to win. is to make sure that every aspect of. each car is as near perfect as you can.

get it some of the most notable teams. are Red Bull Racing McLaren Ferrari. Mercedes Aston Martin they have to. create the fastest car they can and then. repeat the process because each team has. two drivers but the process is not easy. these teams then meet up around the. world on these very oddly shaped tracks. to race each other going over 200 mph. there's a whole operation behind the. scenes F1 feels more like a tech sport. than anything there's a control center. of people being fed information in real.

time about the car's performance they. factor in a million possible scenarios. they pick the best ones they strategize. they feed it to the driver in real time. there is so much going on it is a very. dangerous sport in each race the drivers. can lose up to 10 lounds of just water. they become severely dehydrated because. of the stress that their body is under. the sport requires you to train very. strange muscles that normally people do. not train the neck muscle being one. that's why a lot of the F1 drivers have.

pretty thick necks cuz when your car is. moving and turning at such a high speed. the gForce that's applied to your neck. could snap your neck and if you snap. your neck you're pretty much. dead they train by hanging these weights. like the weights that you use at the gym. mhm and instead of doing squats with. them or bicep curls they hang them off. their neck to work out their neck and. people will pull on them to help build. their. resistance yeah now as well as breathing. the GeForce causes them to not be able.

to breathe they need to have the correct. breathing techniques to not lose their. breath and make a mistake or honestly. cause a fatal accident because of it. it's a very unique set of skills one. that is described as having the. Strategic abilities as a chess grandmas. but having the reflexes and quick. maneuvers of a firefighter and then the. average reaction time for an F1 driver. is around 200 milliseconds so when that. buzzer goes off they react in 200. milliseconds pedal to the metal to give.

you an idea Usain Bolt his reaction time. is 160 milliseconds the average human. you and I 600. milliseconds huge difference and then. having the stamina and endurance of a. marathon runner there are so many safety. regulations that are put in place and. there's all these things that each team. does to mitigate any sort of accident. But ultimately even with hundreds of. Highly skilled engineers and safety. experts working on these cars even with.

these professionally trained drivers who. know exactly what they're doing they. practice their whole lives for this F1. is ultimately a very dangerous sport the. cars are being driven at high speeds. crashes flips fires over the years a lot. of F1 drivers have died it's not safe. but what happens when a 16-year-old. spoiled teenager gets into a fight with. his mom because he doesn't have his own. American Amer Express gold card and.

decides to go onto the street and drive. like a Formula 1 race car driver on a. residential Road Gross Point Michigan is. a place where if you want to be seen you. should probably buy a nice car it's not. the wealthiest zip code in Michigan but. a good chunk of it is in the second. wealthiest neighborhood of Michigan it. it's a well-off area some people say you. can tell it's a good area because when. you drive by the local high school the. parking lots the way that they're set up. I mean you're seeing high schoolers.

Drive In in Mercedes Range Rovers. Audi's that's typically when you know. you're dealing with a rather wealthy. crowd it's definitely a neighborhood. where a good chunk of the kids they go. on family vacations to Europe during. summer break but even then a BMW x3m. Series is a pretty standout car the BMW. x3m Series is a. $70,000 SUV it's high performance it's. luxury it's a BMW it has significantly.

way more power than a regular SUV and. it's a lot sportier the m is the. performance version of the BMW cars the. car goes from 0 to 60 in 3.2 seconds a. regular SUV of that size 6 to 8 seconds. 0 to 60 and it's not just about how. quickly it goes it's about how fast it. can go period a regular SUV you're. talking 120 mph that's your max the BMW. X3 M.

177 mph which honestly I don't know when. you'll ever need that unless you plan on. taking your SUV to the track across the. US the highest speed limit zones are. usually in the rural highways and you're. looking at 85 mph that's the speed limit. nowhere near this 177 mph this BMW can. do but I think the part that gets a lot. of people going about this car. especially the ones that are into cars. it's a high performance model so yes. it's going to make a lot more noise than.

a regular SUV the engine is going to. react make those loud crackling noises. that a lot of car people are into and. because this is a wealthy neighborhood a. lot of these kids have access to these. nicer cars around September of 2023. everyone in the neighborhood is talking. about how this young girl in Gross Point. was killed by a drunk driver kin tag a. 16-year-old swimmer he's in high school. his sister texted him the article about. the girl that was killed and he responds.

Jesus that's tragic I knew. her a few weeks later Kieran tag would. be inside of a BMW that's been flipped. over and the car will be smashed to. Pieces the human body is technically. just a bag of meat I know that sounds. very morid but it's a bag of meat and. organs I think sometimes we all like to. think the human body is this miraculous. feed of Ingenuity that can overcome. pretty much anything which is valid but. also if you throw a bag of meat at the.

wall going 60 MPH there's just no way. it's going to end well that is what. happens when people get into car crashes. they State going 100 mph in a car and. colliding into something stationary is. enough to turn you into meat soup that's. how First Responders react one nzen puts. it quite bluntly when you hit something. that energy has to go somewhere it can't. just disappear so it gets transferred to. whatever you hit and to your body that. means your car gets crumbled up like a.

soda can and your body gets slammed by. Massive forces your bones break your. organs rupture because your organs are. not stationary inside of your body they. can move around they can hit your chest. wall the brain gets shaken like a snow. globe the brain If you hit something. with so much force the brain is going to. move forward and collide with your skull. causing concussions or Worse your neck. might snap like a twig causing paralysis. or death. many people believe the higher the speed.

the less probability you have to survive. the faster you're going before a crash. the less likely you're going to be able. to get down to a survivable speed so. what can you do to avoid this nightmare. scenario the obvious answer is don't. drive at 100 mph seriously there's no. good reason to do that it is illegal. dangerous and very stupid that is what a. lot of the commentators State they State. not only are you risking your life but. others on the road November 17th 2023 in. Gross Point Michigan on this very quiet.

residential street with these wealthy. homes perfectly lined up it's not even. that late at night when residents hear. what sounds like this big crack of. thunder they're like what what was that. then another noise and it sounds like a. stick of dynamite exploding there's. weird hissing noises worring noises just. all sorts of weird chaotic sounds and. then there's almost this brief ear. screeching scraping noise if you're. gonna get a piece of jagged metal and. then just drag it across the driveway.

that's what it sounds like what the hell. is that some of the neighbors they run. out onto the street and they see this. white mess it's a white ball on the. ground next to this big oak tree they're. like that is a car it is a car that has. been flipped over now if they know. anything about cars they would know that. this is a full-sized SUV that's flipped. over next to the tree but because of how. it slammed into the tree half of the car. looks like it's gone missing it looks. like half the car was cut someone took a.

knife cut half the car and then stole. the rest it's been crumbled it's not. even just flying apart you know. sometimes you go onto the highway and. you see accidents and someone's bumper. is on one side someone's door is on the. other side it's not like that it looks. like the car disappeared squished to the. point that you cannot even recognize it. it's like someone sent half of the front. of the car through a hydraulic. press in front of the car there is this. oak tree that has clearly been hit but. behind the car there's a lamp post.

that's been knocked down so it seems. like this car was on the road drove. through the lamp post knocked it down. flipped in the air and hit the tree. before hitting the. floor wow so it's like flying almost. flying they said it flew in the air this. is a residential street with really. nobody else on the road what kind of. speeds does this car have to be going to. do all of that in order to hit the tree. with that kind of impact it had to be. going over 90 m mph probably over 100.

mph in a residential street that means. the driver of this car had pushed the. accelerator down completely side note. going over 105 mph straight towards a. tree is the car is basically going to. disintegrate on impact if you've ever. seen a car a crash dummy car heading. straight towards a concrete wall or a. tree at5 mph you will see that where the. car comes into contact with the object. it's like it enter a portal it just.

disappears it doesn't break apart it. crumbles to the point where it's gone. it's so quick it doesn't even look like. a dent it looks like that part of the. car just. vanished so if you're in the front seats. of a car and it hits a tree at 105 mph. it's like being in the epicenter of a. small explosion it doesn't really matter. at this point if you have your seat Bel. or your airbags deploy the human body. just simply is not designed to withstand. those kinds of forces on the body. internal organs are hitting up against.

your chest wall that also happens with. your head if your brain hits the inner. skull with enough Force that's a death. sentence the force of the Collision. practically disintegrated this vehicle. the engine the transmission they're no. longer even attached to the car anymore. in the middle of this random. neighborhood this BMW X3 is just sitting. there completely. obliterated when First Responders get to. the scene they realize two of the local. star swimmers one is this eight. 18-year-old freshman in college Flynn.

mcrell another a 16-year-old boy in high. school Kieran tag they were both in the. car they were less than a mile from. Flynn's home they're going faster than. 100 mph in a 25 mph residential Zone. they're going 80 over the limit my gosh. when the investigators get there it is. unclear if anyone was able to survive. the incident until they see a. foot and another and one of the two two. boys in the car steps out by themselves.

and then collapses right in front of the. investigators he's going to be rushed to. the hospital with serious injuries and. the other occupant would be pronounced. dead at the scene there were no drugs. involved there was no alcohol involved. so what the hell happened 16-year-old. Kieran tag wakes up in the hospital and. everybody is asking him what happened. like what happened in the car what the. hell is going. on and this all starts because of an. American Express Gold Card an American.

Express gold card is not the most. prestigious credit card on the market. but it's not an easy one to get. typically you need to have an excellent. credit score and there is a $250 annual. fee just to have the credit card to be. able to use the credit card the average. gold card holder likely makes around. $130,000 a year their household income. that's what the estimates show but. 16-year-old Kieran tag is like I want my. gold card I want a gold. card that is crazy he's piss that he. doesn't have one to the point where he.

allegedly starts throwing and breaking. things inside the house screaming at his. mom about how unfair it is that he. doesn't have an MX he's breaking curfew. he's sneaking out in the middle of the. night he's taking his mom's credit cards. to buy whatever he wants without her. knowing he's taking the car out when he. shouldn't there was this one incident. where people were called to kieran's. house because he wanted to take out his. mom's car the BMW or the Audi she. refuses he breaks the coffee table he. even admits it well in a very.

gaslighting manner he breaks her table. storms out he's 16 by the way and then. he texts his mom I simply asked you if I. could take your car yet you refused now. I'm running late and now we have a. broken table eventually he would text. her okay fine I'm sorry about your table. all of this because his mom did not let. him take the Audi sports coupe out for a. joy ride and maybe she shouldn't let him. have the car just a few days before the. accident Kieran filmed himself driving. at 140 mph which was four times the.

speed limit where he was there is a clip. of him on the highway going nearly 140 m. per hour there is a clip of him at a red. light when the light turned greens he. acts like this is the starting of an F1. circuit he just pedals to the metal he. records himself 140 miles like and he. posts it onto Snapchat for his close. friends. wow he does the same thing in. residential areas and another time he's. in this parking lot he makes a left turn.

he waits for this elderly woman to walk. past so clearly he knows this is an area. where people are just walking around he. waits for her to pass Slams on the gas. four months leading up to the accident. in November of 2023 he was hitting. speeds. of7 143 102 150 155 M hour on the road. all on completely separate. dates yeah I mean I don't know it he. thinks he's going to be featured on the. next fast in the Furious movie or. something I don't know what the purpose.

of this any of this ultimately he's. taking pictures of his own crimes as. well and these are likely going to show. up in trial later in October he was in. the car driving 94 times in the month of. October in almost half of his rides he's. hitting 90 mph speeds in October he was. driving 94 times yes like three times a. day. yes wow and in half of those he's. driving over 90 mes per hour. the highest speed ever recorded was 2.

weeks before the crash he went. 153 M hour for 20 miles people did the. math which going 153 mph for 20 minutes. is about 8 minutes of fullon driving at. 153 mph to give you some context each. track for F1 drivers is different but. even on the faster tracks cuz some. tracks it's easier to go faster there's. more straight shots it's just safer per. average 90 minute races each F1 race.

lasts about 90 minutes on a super fast. track drivers will spend 18 to 27. minutes going 150 mph or faster on a. slow track maybe they spend closer to 4. and 1/2 to 9 minutes going 150 m per. hour or faster so he was going like F1. speed. yes but this is like I don't even think. the 9 minutes is straight I'm sure it's. collectively 9 minutes right right right. but he's going 8 minutes non-stop at 150.

mph for 20 M that is crazy and he's. documenting it and sharing it everywhere. yes that is crazy that means a lot of. people saw it too yeah wow now going 153. Mi for 8 minutes yes may be safe for F1. drivers not for real roads clearly. Kieran needs to be arrested he's been. driving recklessly for months prior to. the accident he would drive and just.

slam on the accelerator sending the car. 100 150 Mi down a residential street. eventually in November he would slam it. into a tree killing his friend his. passenger Flynn. mcrell there are now calls though for. his mom to also be arrested now I think. this is the element that this case is. getting a lot more attention along with. the fact that Kieran is just overall a. pretty spoiled kid but given the. information you have right now do you. think the mother should be held account. a because he's a 16-year-old maybe he's.

abusive with his mom but that doesn't. mean that she will automatically think. that he's Reckless with his car right. maybe he blocked her on Snapchat or do. you think she knew what would be your. answer right now because maybe the next. information is going to change your. opinion kieran's mom was scared. something was going to happen while her. son was driving she knew that he was. speeding and driving recklessly. September 14th 2023 2 months before the. crash Elizabeth kieran's mom text K and. angry slow the [ __ ] down right now she.

can see that he's driving at 123 m per. hour because she has the Life 360 app. which is basically a tracking app for. some parents or families or couples to. make sure that their kids are safe. there's a lot of controversy about the. app but the app will track your location. and it'll even alert parents if you're a. reckless driver because it gives them. alerts on how fast your vehicle is. moving based off the data from your. phone so if your phone is in the car. they can tell you how fast that car is. going. that is crazy it can also tell you if.

your child or whoever you have on the. Life 360 app has been in a car accident. or if their battery is going low so. every time kierin was speeding 94 times. in the month of October Elizabeth his. mom would get a notification an alert on. her phone which a lot of people are. saying then shouldn't it just have been. one time if your child is speeding why. still give them car privileges driving. is a privilege it's not a right a few. weeks before the crash Kier and sister. even texted him speed limits exist for a.

reason and she linked the article about. the victim of the drunk driver and he. says that's tragic I knew. her kieran's sister send it to him like. a older sister yeah but clearly it. doesn't nothing to his brain because 2. hours later his mom starts texting him I. have screenshots of you doing 90 M hour. in the middle of the night when I didn't. even know you left your friend's house. and again 2 weeks ago going 123 mph just. because is your obsession word choice.

here is intentional with cars having. upwards of 600 horsepower is not healthy. it's not safe and it scares me to my. bone 3 weeks later kieran's mom buys a. BMW x3m. Series some argue even if she didn't. have the app it's pretty easy to tell. that he's doing these things I mean he's. taking videos of himself basically drag. racing and even if she didn't take away. his car for that he's done so many other. things to Warrant him getting his keys. taken in 2020 a police report shows that.

Kieran assaulted his mom and just left. the house he went to a friends. apparently they got into this massive. argument where he was driving she was in. the back seat he turns around and starts. punching in 2020 yeah he was driving. yeah if he was 16 years old yeah that. means he's like 12 13 yeah I don't know. why he's driving what and he starts. punching his mom and biting down on his. mom she called the police on while he's.

driving. yeah what is going on now I mean you. can't really say that the mom is so lost. and confused on what to do either I mean. I don't think you can at one point about. a month prior to the accident she texts. her son her 16-year-old son and asks him. to pick up a bottle of wine for her she. texts will you pick up a bottle of wine. please he responds sure a week later. just a few days before the crash she. texts him a screenshot of an article. that lists out the punishments for.

someone who is using a fake ID which I. mean she didn't send that a week prior. when she was asking him to pick up a. bottle of wine so it's a little strange. it's very confusing Behavior wait the. mother asked 16-year-old son to pick up. a wine because she knew that he has a. fake ID but I guess she's okay with it. because he says sure now I did see some. people who claim they know the family. who claim they're from Gross Point and. they claim that the mother has a. drinking. problem okay well well it does matter.

but the fact that she's asking underage. yes son to pick up a drink for her yes. and then a week later sent that article. what what's the intention behind that I. don't know I don't know because it's I I. was trying to wrap my head around it and. I'm like okay if I wear a mom I think if. I had a suspicion that my kid had an ID. I would just send that article I. wouldn't make him actually go commit a. crime because him having a fake ID and. then going to buy a bottle of wine are. two different charges yeah and then me.

requesting him to buy a bottle of wine. is also very bad parenting even if I'm. trying to prove a point or trying to. figure out if he has a fake ID it's just. very odd behavior now throughout all of. this she never takes his keys away since. 2018 Kieran has at least 22 documented. incidents with the police the majority. of the calls being about him wildly out. of control his mom would call the police. having no idea how to calm him down at. one point he was arrested for domestic.

violence against his mom he had to be. held in a youth center in the. county while Flynn's parents they just. remember what Flynn's mom says I was. standing in the foyer of the house and. listening to them saying there was a. crash less than a mile away and your son. didn't make it and I couldn't I mean all. I could say was no Flynn's parents. believe that kieran's Mom should be held. responsible there is a mountain of. evidence and she admitted through text. it scares me to the Bone it's not safe.

side note karan's dad and his mom were. divorced recently and soon afterwards. karan's Dad passed so it's really just. his mom in the picture Flynn's parents. say Elizabeth his mom should be held. accountable they say she was sitting on. a ticking Time Bomb she knows he's out. of control yet she basically gets him a. weapon it's like she handed him an AR-15. they argue because this wasn't an. accident accidents cannot be prevented. this could have been prevented Ed 100%. not only once but for 4 months it could.

have been prevented she knew and. admitted in the text that she knew her. son was breaking the law acting. criminally and expressed that it was not. safe any reasonable person would have. done something very very simple and that. would have been take the keys away and. she didn't do it and now our son is dead. every day we wake up in shock and. disbelief that our son our beloved Flyn. is gone and it was 100%. preventable the slightly unexpected and. kind of of wild par is kieran's mom is. an.

educator what do you mean a teacher. she's the campus minister at the. University of. Detroit her LinkedIn reads passionate. leader educator mentor and marketing. executive mindfulness-based stress. reduction instructor credentialed in. leading trauma informed and teen. mindfulness programs student coach and. Mentor she writes I'm regularly involved. in school activities and functions and. seek to proactively improve the. children's learning experience. which I mean I feel like she hasn't been. quite proactive in her son's life but.

that could be an overstep on my part. Flynn's parents have also stated any. reasonable person would have done. something they would have just taken the. keys away that's it that's all we were. asking for a lot of news articles and I. think Flynn's parents themselves are. referencing another case in Michigan. which might feel reminiscent of what's. happening in Georgia right now but there. was another case in Michigan where in. 2021 there was a deadly shooting at. Oxford High School The Killers parents. were also charged for buying the gun for. their son they did not take reasonable.

actions to prevent their child from. harming others they didn't put a cable. lock on the gun he drew a picture of a. gun in class and wrote on the page the. thoughts won't stop help me but they did. nothing they were both held responsible. for the lives of four students and. sentenced to 10 years in prison for. involuntary. manslaughter so he was sentenced more. yes but the parents were also sentenced. now a lot of people reference the. crumbly case when talking about the Kier. case Flynn's parents argue it's the same. core principles the crumbly parents did.

not secure the weapon and in this case. Flynn's parents argue the car is a. weapon a car can kill people so yes it's. a weapon is what they're arguing the. parents ignored the warning signs they. argued kieran's mom could clearly see. that he's speeding and he's not getting. better there's negligence Flynn's. parents argue that Elizabeth kieran's. mom was negligent of helping her son to. stop behaving recklessly and still let. him put himself in those positions of. being behind the wheel and they provided. access so in the crumbly case obviously.

it refers to the gun but in this. situation Flynn's parents argue the car. is the weapon and when Elizabeth would. go out of town she would leave all the. keys just in a drawer where he would. have unlimited access to them yeah some. people think that's not a great analogy. other people think there's a better. analogy which is a case in New York. recently a mom and dad were criminally. charged after their son crashed a BMW. into a truck at more than 100 mph. killing his 14-year-old. passenger the parents were charged with.

endangering the welfare of a child for. allowing their son to drive while he was. legally unable to do. so it seems like Flynn's parents are. hoping for the same thing in this case. which brings us to the question of. should a parent be held responsible if. their child kills someone while. recklessly driving a family car now just. a side note just so I don't not address. it there are allegations that Flynn's. parents have some wild political use. okay I'm not sure how accurate the. sentiment is I don't personally know.

them it could be a rumor it could be one. or two articles but it has been brought. up a few times in the comments which I. think is always important so there's. like Reddit threads talking about it but. in this situation I think it has nothing. to do with Flynn Flynn was the one that. passed there are a few group of people. some that are conflicted on whether or. not kieran's Mom could control him at. this point some are saying I mean he. sounds out of control there's nothing. that she could have done really if took. the keys away he probably would have. beat her is what people are saying but.

even then it's like you could just call. the police and have him takeen to a. juvenile center then do the right thing. yeah one comment reads his mother told. police her son was abusive and that she. was afraid of him the police report. shows multiple calls about both violence. and speeding sounds like the mother did. everything she could he was Reckless and. took an innocent life hope he pays for. the rest of his one nzen has a bit of an. unpopular opinion but they write you. people are insane if the driver's. mothers should be charged for not taking. away the keys the victim's parents.

should also be charged for allowing. their son to ride with him another one. reads if you get into a vehicle with. someone that is your free will decision. what one parent writes so if a teen gets. an STD and passes it to another person. is the parent responsible if the teen. goes off to war are the parents. responsible teens have impulses you can. be the best parent in the world but one. mistake and it can be life-changing we. need to stop blaming the parents and. start blaming the individual to which.

someone just responds insane analogy. which I do have to agree with that. opinion side note the family seems to. have three cars Kieran has three cars in. the family for just him and his mom a. Subaru Forester an Audi Coupe in a BMW. x3m Series Flynn's parents also argue. fine let's say kieran's Mom absolutely. for whatever reason that doesn't make. sense could not take away his keys why. not give him the Subaru Keys the much. slower car and a lot of others agree. with that sentiment one legal expert.

States kieran's mom had months and. months of knowledge of her son's. reckless driving and she not only failed. to take the keys away she actually gave. him a car that could go faster one. comment reads the mother should not have. let her son drive at all I believe she. should be charged another mom agrees. writing let me find out my daughter is. driving recklessly she won't have a car. she would have to ask me every time she. even steps out the front door another. parent wholeheartedly agrees writing my. oldest son 16 just got his license a. month ago he is under no Illusions if he.

violates any traffic law speeds runs a. stop sign so much as looks at his phone. he will never be driving again until. he's 18 at the DMV they made it quite. clear to him that the state and I both. have the right to revoke his license and. he knows I absolutely will raise your. kids right make sure they understand. they will be held accountable for their. actions and this kind of thing would not. happen one comment reads this reeks of. entitlement and God complex tragic that. the mother either couldn't or wouldn't. control him and it cost someone else. their life we don't often think of.

vehicles as deadly weapons but we have. vehicular manslaughter laws for a reason. Flynn's parents argue I want him in. prison for as long as possible why. should he get a break the kid is at. every break and every privilege there is. there's so many instances of criminal. Behavior this is an individual who knows. right and wrong has most privileges most. people will never enjoy and he chose to. drive homicidally and murderously and. break our laws this is a person that. needs to be taken out of society because. he is d ous and the only way to restore. is through punishment if you're that.

kind of criminal Flynn mcrell was 6'4. he's tall he's got this very Shaggy red. hair orange-ish hair and everyone said. that he's a bit of a gentle giant they. said he was the baby of the family the. one that he couldn't even go to. amusement parks because he didn't like. roller coasters his family can't stop. thinking about how he must have died in. fear he was always the quickest to crack. a smile and he had just come home from. from Thanksgiving break so a lot of. people were asking if he was posting.

these on Snapchat if Karan was posting. this then Flynn must have seen But. Flynn's parents argued they really. weren't that close Flynn had just come. home from Thanksgiving break and to him. Kieran was just a nice kid he's just a. few years younger trying to also be a. swimmer so the way the relationship. seems is Kieran was looking at Flynn. almost like a swim mentor and perhaps he. didn't show Flynn the bad sides of his. personality and his habits. because you know they didn't have a cool.

friend. relationship it gives the older guy. mentor and his little mentee he always. looked up to Flynn Flynn's parents said. whenever he came around we never had any. inkling he was very polite after every. meal he would thank us he always offered. to help bring groceries into the house. if one of us had gone shopping they. don't even go to the same school they're. not even the same age Flynn is a. freshman in college he's 16 they just. live on the same street and they're both. swimmers that's how they know each other.

it just seemed like Flynn took on this. friendship with Karan as a helping role. and he just wanted Kieran to be a better. swimmer Flynn's older brother says Flynn. was an angel he was selfless he wanted. so much for you I feel as though I've. lost my life when Flynn was murdered. I've been robbed of the next 60 to 70. years of my life with Flynn Flynn wasn't. worried about the future he wasn't. worried about his own place in this. world because he innately didn't have to. be worried he was always in the moment. and I will always think of him and I. will see him again Flynn's mom says.

nothing is going to end the hell that we. have been through it is inconceivable to. me that I've lost my son to say this is. a living hell is an understatement my. family has been ruined my family's life. has been ruined no one should ever ever. have to lose a child like this I still. can't believe my Big Calm son is gone. there are rumors that Kieran is out on. bail he was arrested he's out on bail. and there were rumors that he was. dancing on Tik Tok with his girlfriend. to the song Celebration about 2 months.

after he killed. Flynn he allegedly wrote an a poem for. school owed to the Frog and it reads oh. Mr Frog the hate you give through that. wretched croak it deafens me making me. feel like a bloke you're always there I. can't escape The Wretched croak all. animals live carefully scared of what's. to come never knowing when a breath. could be their last croak croak croak. here came the Frog and With It Came. Death I was scared but all of a sudden I.

awoke Kieran is currently out on bond. awaiting trial which is set to start. February of 2025 he will be tried for. second deegree murder he's a minor when. this took place he was 16 he's 17 now. but he will be charged as adult. designated which means if he's convicted. the judge can sentence him as an adult. or a juvenile or a mixture of both they. can kind of blend the sentence the most. he can face if the judge decides to. sentence him as an adult he'll be facing. life in prison as maximum. punishment what are your thoughts on.

this case how long do you think he. deserves to be in prison yeah it's so. scary especially driving residential. roads I go under speed limit cuz I'm. like you never know when there's a pet. when there's a kid mhm so please stay. safe and I will see you in the next one.