Serial Killer Watched Podcasts About His Murders - CAUGHT After 13 Years

bada bing bada boom Shannon Gilbert was. anert and the way that her business was. set up she had to split her earnings. with Michael Pack Michael is her driver. so he would keep a third of the profits. she would keep the other 2/3 and at. first glance it's kind of an unfair. split situation because Shannon is doing. most of the work Michael would just. drive her to the client's house sit. outside parked and then drive her back. he never interacted with the clients but. I guess maybe he's there as Extra.

Protection to make sure that she's still. coming out of that client's home. unscathed and Alive like the way that. she went in Shannon was an esort her. family knew They begged her to stop and. you know it's not one of those toxic. situations where they were like what. will the neighbors think they genuinely. were just worried for her safety and she. would always reassure them like Mom it's. no big deal I'm always safe I'm always. cautious I have a good head on my. shoulders I'm doing this so that I can I. can pay off some of my debt and maybe. try to find a way to get through school.

Shannon was working without the. protection of an agency so usually an. agency kind of works as like a. protection they handle all the client. intakes outtakes they make sure that. you're not kidnapped on the job they do. all of that May 1st 2010 Shannon went. for an out call meaning that she would. be going out to a client's home now the. client's name is Joseph Brewer they. agreed on the amount of. $450 and everything else was set in. motion Michael would drive her there at.

around midnight he would stay in the car. while Shannon went inside and performed. her Services if any out call could be. deemed safe this would be the one I mean. Joseph Brewer lived in a gated community. in Long Island called Oak Beach I don't. think it gets safer than that Long. Island New York yeah Long Island New. York so Michael Pack was sitting in the. car waiting for Shannon to come out it. had been about like 3 hours at this. point and then the door to Joseph's. house swings open Joseph Brewer starts. speed walking to Michael's driver's side.

and it's like whoa whoa whoo usually the. clients want nothing to do with the. drivers the agencies or the quote pimps. because it's just not what they do they. act like they don't exist and he's like. get her out Michael was confused but. Joseph is insisting that Michael should. go into the house and get Shannon out. right. now he gets out of his car goes into the. home and he originally thought okay. maybe Shannon had done drugs and Joseph. can't quote handle her so you know maybe. he just wants her out of the house but.

when Michael walks in through that door. Shannon is accusing both men of working. together of being in on it and trying to. kill her both men stated they believed. that she had taken drugs and had fallen. into a Dr induced state of. paranoia the 911 call is disturbing not. in the sense that it's filled with these. like high pitch screams of Terror but. it's unsettling when you know that she. practically vanishes into thin air right. after this call she called yes and then.

vanishes Shannon was on the phone with. police in a rather family oriented gated. neighborhood and she was able to talk to. multiple different neighbors asking them. for help before disappearing before the. police could even arrive State Police. yeah there's somebody after me I'm sorry. there's somebody after me there's. somebody after me where are you ma'am I. don't know she kept reiterating to. dispatch that someone was after her she. sounded a bit more confused than she did.

terrified and most of the important. parts of the call are Shannon Joseph the. client and Michael the driver having a. conversation that is being recorded by. 911 and most of the men's side of the. conversation is inaudible okay. look. no no stop no and it seems like Shannon. is suspicious that something is going to. happen to her tonight she thinks that. these men have planned something.

sinister she keeps asking Michael to. drive her multiple times are you going. to kill me are you going to kill me to. which he tells her you're freaking me. out like let's just go home what are you. talking. about are you what's the matter are you. okay what are you going to. do youing come on let's go back to let's. go back to. manhatt but it's clear she does not. trust anyone in this situation she. doesn't want to go with Michael her gut. is telling her that that something bad.

is going to happen to her please get me. out of here mik you're a part of this. all along I met in the beginning of the. call it seems like she doesn't want to. leave because she doesn't feel safe but. then later she asks Michael to get her. out of here and then she turns around to. accuse him of being a part of this for. for the whole night another interesting. thing to note is Shannon is really. thrown off because it seems like Michael. used her real name in front of Joseph. why you call me me.

why to her it's like setting her red. flags are going off the red alarms are. ringing her suspicion is through the. roof in front of clients you never do. because you use a fake name and so she's. like why are you using my real name. right now like it's just adding this. layer of like I don't feel like I trust. anyone right now why would you ever do. that maybe it's like a very firm rule. between drivers and Es like you never. use the real name and in the middle of. that call you just hear Shannon break. out into a Sprint she's running fast.

past 1 2 3 4 four to five houses she's. screaming here and there throughout the. 911. call and about four to five houses down. she starts trying to get help from one. of the ne neighbors a homeowner Gus Gus. colleti he keeps asking her what's wrong. if someone is after her what's going on. she seems to be talking to him but it's. inaudible through the call and he tries. to tell tell her to calm down so that.

she doesn't hurt herself but she ends up. running out of Gus's house running down. another like few houses four to five. houses about2 mies down and starts. asking for help from another neighbor. but after Shannon runs out of Gus's. house he too makes a 911 call of his own. and reports that there's a very young. girl about 14 years old W Shannon is 23. but she's incredibly petite like 4 10. less than 100 lb Gus even describes her. physical appearance as quote very small.

about 14 years old running around. screaming he states that there is some. guy trying to follow her in an SUV which. appears to be Michael driving to catch. up with Shannon there's a young girl. about 14 years old running around here. screaming and there's some guy trying to. follow her the girl was about 14 years. old got blonde hair very small Shannon. then runs to another neighbor's house. prompting another 911 call Barbara a. middle-aged neighbor was too scar to let. her in she called 911 and stated that.

there was a girl banging on her door. saying that she was in danger Barbara. States I don't see any danger though and. we live in a gated community uh 40 43. the bou some woman is knocking at my. door she say she's in danger do you know. her or no no I don't I'm not letting her. in and then the banging stops the 911. calls stop authorities show up at said. gated community and Shannon has vanished. finished she's gone and she would never.

be seen alive ever again John the client. and Michael the driver would both be. ruled out by the investigators as being. involved in Shannon's disappearance but. Shannon's disappearance would lead to a. chain of events that would uncover 11. bodies near the neighborhood hidden in. this marshik area many of them were. naked many in burlap sax some. dismembered some from more recently. others were skeletonized remains and it.

was widely believed that this was all. the work of a serial killer the Long. Island serial killer Lisk for short and. for 13 years everyone in Long Island. they knew about the murders they talked. about the murders usually huddled in the. safety of their homes at night they even. pointed the finger at influential. members of the community as being the. serial killer hidden in plain. sight even the police chief was accused. of being the serial killer.

until finally July 13th. 2023 13 years later the suspected Long. Island serero killer was caught and. arrested interestingly his Google. searches indicate that he listened to. many podcasts and watched many. documentaries about the Long Island. serial killings before he was caught. [Music].

as always full show notes are available. at Rotten Mingo podcast.com there are a. lot of documentaries on this case as. well as books which will all be linked. in the show notes but this is a long. long time coming I mean it's been about. 13 years since 11 bodies were found. along the South Shore of Long Island for.

13 years a suspected serial killer had. not yet been apprehended and 11. different families had to deal with just. grief anxiety and just the frustration. of not having Justice and like I said. recently July of 2023 a suspect has been. arrested he has been arrested and. charged with three of the deaths but he. has not yet been convicted he's also. pled not guilty so just keep that in. mind and with that being. said let's get into it.

John Malia was walking along Ocean. Parkway he's with his big German. Shepherd Blue Ocean Parkway is kind of a. misleading name okay I was imagining a. like the Pacific Coast Highway a long. stretch of road along the coast where. you look out the window and it's such a. Scenic Drive you see these Blue Waters. crashing on the shore it's not that it's. a long stretch of road in Long Island. and on both sides it's got like 12 ft. tall reads thin grass but they look dead. they look more yellow and they can grow.

12T tall 12 ft tall 12T tall surrounding. both sides of this Parkway you could. probably see the ocean from where you're. driving but it feels more like an. illusion like if you were to park your. car on the side of the road of Ocean. Parkway get out and try to walk to the. ocean you would have to push through. reads that are taller than you and would. probably be scratching up your arms if. you're not familiar with the area or you. don't have a strong sense of direction. like myself you might find yourself. making circles it's very easy to get. lost in the reads even though you think.

oh there's a road on one side and the. ocean on one side I should be fine you. might not be fine trying to retrace your. steps back to your car could be a very. daunting task so think more like a. cornfield but it's not that lush green. vibrant color that you imagine the area. just kind of feels it feels dead. especially on this day December 11th of. 2010 it's cold there's a thin layer of. SLE on the ground the weather is. overcast I probably wouldn't walk my dog.

under those conditions but John's dog. blue the German Shepherd was a very. active dog and he knew that area well. like the back of his hand enough so that. Jon trusted him off leash in the reads. in fact blue was almost like Jon's. protector so whenever they're together. John's like I feel good I feel at ease I. feel calm so he's waiting as blue is. sniffing around the bushes of weeds that. surround them and just as blue is about. to relieve himself he freezes up his. ears go up up and John looks up quietly.

he notices the sudden shift of energy in. his dog what is it blue it's like blue. is trying to tell him something and. immediately Jon's heart starts racing. because he's seen this before and it can. only mean one thing blue is not just. John's beloved pet blue is a cadaver dog. and officer John Malia was about to find. a dead body and immediately it was like. a police parade cop cars one after.

another pulling up uniformed officers. running into the reads forensic teams. Corners homicide detectives they would. find four bodies these four bodies would. be known as the Gilgo four all four. bodies were found clearly murdered. strangled and none of the four bodies. belonged to Shannon Gilbert who had just. vanished not too long ago in this exact. area oh they were searching for Shannon. yeah and found four other people yeah. wow. and in the matter of months the.

residents of Long Island would realize. that there is a serial killer operating. amongst them December 11th 2010 a young. woman's body was found by Blue naked. strangled and in a burlap sack December. 13th 2010 another three bodies were. found these would be the Gilgo four. naked strangled all young women. curiously all under 5T tall and all. wrapped in burlap socks March 20th 2011. 3 months later another body was found. just a dismembered skull forearms and.

hands not too far from the Gilgo 4 so. right now it's 5 now you're saying now. it's 5 April 4th 2011 just 6 days later. another three bodies are found now it's. eight one was just another set of hands. forearms and a decapitated skull one was. a toddler dead and wrapped in a blanket. and another was the body of an. Asian-American individual April 11th. 2011 a week later another two. dismembered bodies were found a total of. 10 bodies were discovered on Gilgo Beach.

in the span of 5 months and Shannon. Gilbert was still missing I I I don't. even know what would people how would. people feel in that time like you know. back in 2010 when this news was breaking. can you imagine how terrifying that is I. would just feel like utter Terror I'm. I'm curious to know if anyone was from. that time or from that area and what was. going on cuz yeah whoo that's terrifying. yeah like if you were growing up there. did you notice a shift and maybe the way. that your parents reacted to you going.

out were you allowed to did you have a. new curfew like did you notice any of. these small shifts even if you didn't. know exactly what was going on yeah wow. the commissioner of the stol County. Police Department held a press. conference where he confirmed that it. appeared that this was the work of a. serial killer and then the phone calls. happened a lot of these phone calls. actually happened before the police. found the bodies in Gilgo Beach which I. think just makes the situation much more. heartbreaking a lot of the victims their. families had been losing sleep they had.

put their lives on pause looking for. their vanished loved ones like where are. they did they run away that's what the. police are saying was there Foul Play I. have no clues this is before the bodies. are found one of the victims Melissa. bartholomy which I'm going to get into. the victims in a little bit Melissa's. sister Amanda had dedicated so much of. her life to finding her missing sister. for years that's all she focused on was. finding her sister she just vanished one. day in New York City a would stop at. nothing until her sister was found okay.

she knew that her sister would never run. away they were basically best friends. they told each other everything she. needed to find her sister Melissa a few. months after Melissa went missing Amanda. got a phone call from Melissa's phone. her stomach dropped she rushes to pick. it up hoping to hear her sister's voice. on the other line apologizing for not. being in touch and having this big old. Grand excuse of why she went off the. grid and she's like Melissa instead of. hearing Melissa soft voice on the other. end it was a man who said this isn't.

Melissa Amanda started panicking I mean. she wants to drop her phone hang up but. she knew that this phone call could be. the only time to get any information on. the whereabouts of her beloved sister. she had to talk to this man but it was. clear he was just here to play games. okay the man on the other end sounded so. cold calculating devoid of all emotions. he sounded like pure evil and it sent. shivers down Amanda's spine he would. calmly say the most heinous things to.

Amanda are you going to be a like. your. sister wow and then he would hang up. leaving Amanda to feel anger fear grief. but also like pure determination to find. her sister to spite this evil man and. that's just the start of the calls the. man continued to call for the next year. the family continued to pay Melissa's. phone bill because it was clear that the. man had her phone and this was his way. of reaching out and there's nothing. could be done to track oh let me tell.

you okay so before we get there. sometimes Amanda's mom would pick up the. call just to spare Amanda from the pain. you know like imagine your sister's gone. missing and you're the one picking up. these phone calls but the man on the. other end would just hang up it's almost. like he wanted to taunt Amanda. specifically the person that Melissa was. the closest to they're closer in age and. it's like he wanted to gloat to her in. one call the man told Amanda that her. sister Melissa was dead he said he. killed her and he was watching her body. rot he also said that one day I will.

show you Melissa's rotting. body the phone calls themselves were. very unsettling but they were also very. revealing so yeah this happened in like. 2009 2010 authorities can still Trace. calls back in the day so why would the. killer risk calling the sister of the. victim so many. times because he got off on it he's a. sadist he's a cold calculated sadistic. killer this was a man that enjoyed the. hunt the taunting the Inc in the riling. up people is like a big part of that he.

just wants people to know I did this and. I got away with it he just can't stand. not getting some credit for his crimes. well the police would Trace his calls. and it would lead them right to the. middle of New York City Midtown in. Manhattan to be exact so the calls they. can be traced to a very small area but. New York City is a densely populated. city the calls all took place during. rush hour between 5:30 to 6:30 p.m. the. authorities would pull up CCTV footage.

around a couple of blocks that the calls. could be zoned in on and literally so. many people in and out of offices trying. to catch a cab trying to get on the. train trying to get into their cars and. almost all of them are on the phone and. it's 5:30 to 6:30 yeah Peak rush hour. that's like someone getting out of the. work time right it's like a killer just. finished his day job and is like I've. been waiting for this. moment yeah it would be impossible to. pick out the killer I mean it's like. finding a needle and a hay stock and.

then for decades nothing the. investigation stalls I mean they knew a. few things they were looking for most. likely a middle-aged white man that knew. the area well the dismemberment of some. of the bodies hinted to someone who took. pure pleasure in hunting others and of. inflicting pain the calls signified that. this is someone who wanted to relive. that feeling of power over and over. again and craved the hunt and also the. killer would be the type to believe that. he's too smart to be caught and that. almost kind of bothers him in some way.

he wants to play games he wants people. to know that there is someone out there. doing these terrifying things and he. almost wants credit for it because of. the burlap sacks for a while authorities. and the public believed that maybe the. killer was like a blue collar worker of. sorts that worked in construction. possibly Plumbing or something with. their hands they would kind of narrow. down their pool of suspects but not by. much so throughout the years many people. have been accused of being the Long. Island serial killer it's like guess who. type of game can you spot the killer in.

the crowd this went on for about 13. years before someone was finally. arrested Joseph Brewer was suspected by. neens of being the Long Island seral. killer he was the man/ client that met. up with Shannon the night that she. vanished he claimed that Shannon came to. his home and after a while started. behaving erratically and he just wanted. her out she was convinced though that. everyone was out to kill her so I mean I. can see why he's a suspicious person in. the grand scheme of things also the. bodies are found really close to the.

gated neighborhood that Shannon went. missing the reason that the bodies were. uncovered was because of the. investigation into Shannon Gilbert's. disappearance but he passed a polygraph. and he was cooperative with the. investigation he was ultimately cleared. by the police as a suspect in Shannon's. death as well as a suspect in the Long. Island serial. killings recently A lot of my friends. and family have been studing small. businesses and they've been seeing all. these people online having like a breeze. you know they sell their art they sell.

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was listed as being the perpetrator but. he had never been arrested I don't know. if he's ever really been investigated. he's definitely never been convicted of. the crimes so who the hell is Joe fod. that's what people were wondering Joe. fod was a retired corrections officer. from seol County Jail this is the. jurisdiction of where the killings. happened he was under investigation. after being sued by five female inmates. who insisted that he had essayed them. while they were in. jail obviously if these accusations are.

true Joe fod needs to be put behind bars. for a very long time but what does that. have to do with the Long Island serial. killings well people connected the dots. okay if he is heinous enough to essay. people imprisoned he probably had some. other crimes outside of his job maybe he. killed escorts internet SL also found. another interesting link I believe you. can see who edits information on. Wikipedia and somehow these internet. slues were able to track whoever edited. and add Joe F's name as the killer on.

the Wiki page they tracked the IP. address to whoever edited it and it was. pinpointed to none other than the. Suffolk County police. station so does that mean that someone. that works within the very same police. station felt like oh I can't come out. with this information because I'll lose. my job I might get killed so all I'm. going to do is put it up on Wikipedia. and let the neens handle it. wow very chilling behind the scenes. like activities wow like what did they.

know that we didn't know about Joe fod. Joe fod though was eventually cleared by. the police but I believe there are a lot. of netizens who just never let this. connection go for the past 13 years. Peter hacket was suspected by neisens of. being the Long Island serial killer so. he's the former head of the suok County. Medical Services lot of big people. involved okay he actually lived very. close to where Shannon went missing it's. like practically his backyard. apparently he knew Shannon and would.

help her get medical services but. allegedly he would do that inside of his. own home he was also trying to or. already did open up a home for. individuals trying to get back on their. feet and he claimed that he wanted to. help Shannon apparently he also. mentioned providing care to Shannon the. same day that she went missing and it. made Shannon's mom and family very. uncomfortable so the theory was that. Shannon was terrified after making those. 911 calls but she ran to Dr hackett's. home for help because Barbara wasn't. opening the door. maybe Peter Hackett had done something.

after that it said that Peter hacket was. not a well-liked man like at all a lot. of his neighbors hated him stated that. he was dramatic temperamental and when. investigated by authorities he refused. to take AP polygraph it just felt like. this man had a lot of things to hide. Shannon's family would even file a. wrongful death suit against him and in. the end authorities said this is not the. killer he's just a drama queen that. loves attention like he wanted to be a. part of the conversation of a big big.

case but he didn't even realize what he. was getting himself into at times Dr. hacket would allegedly pretend to have a. heart attack when he did not want to. answer a question about the case he was. said to have dramatically clutched his. chest and said my defibrilator before. dropping to the. ground like he's pretending yeah there. was no evidence linking the doctor to. the case and he was dismissed as a. suspect and then Joel riffkin was the. next n is an appointed suspect is it.

Joel Joel j o e l oh if you guys don't. know Joel he's a serial killer he. operated in the late 80s early '90s in. New York and it's assumed that he killed. anywhere between 9 and 17 victims while. he was active let me know if you guys. want a deep dive on this case but he was. a brutal killer he would remove teeth. and fingerprints from victims his very. first murder he put his victim's head in. a paint can before leaving her in the. woods of a golf of course in Jersey the.

majority of his victims were workers so. there is that Eerie connection as most. of the victims found dead on the Gilgo. Beach were sex workers at the time of. their deaths but Joel riffkin was. already in prison and he stated that he. wasn't involved in these killings which. like okay fine would we really take his. word for it but when asked about the. case Joel said that he thinks the person. responsible would have had a job that. allowed him to be in the the reads the. brushes of Ocean Parkway without being. suspicious maybe a landscaper some sort. of construction contractor or even a. fisherman so for the longest time most.

media Publications were like it's got to. be like a clam. fisherman so Joel was accused but uh the. timelines just didn't add up for when he. was incarcerated and then when some of. the other murders had happened James. Bisset was accused by netizens of being. the Long Island seral killer so there. are a few reasons James was wealthy and. financially independent which was what a. lot of experts guessed about the killer. he owned a local aquarium and a plant. nursery his company was also a major fer. of burlap in the area which was the.

material used to wrap a lot of the. victim's bodies okay now he passed away. by his own doing in 2011 and everyone. thought okay well maybe the serial. killer hasn't been caught because. they're already dead and that's why that. the police can't catch them because if. they're still alive they're probably. still committing crimes or people. speculated he only knew that it was a. matter of time before authorities came. knocking on his door after the bodies. were discovered so he took his own life. interestingly enough he actually passed. away the day after another set of bodies. were found so yeah the circumstances.

they paint a very suspicious picture but. they're all just coincidences the police. have stated that James was a completely. innocent man that happened to take his. life at a time that people were. frantically trying to draw any sort of. connections to any man living in the. area so this one was just very. unfortunate timing they said then John. bilro was another internet suspect for. the Long Island killings why does every. single person's name start with Jay yeah. h i okay anyways he was a carpenter that.

had already been convicted of strangling. two women who were both escorts and was. even a suspect in the death of another. woman also an escort he committed his. crimes in Long Island he was active. during the '90s and like God knows who. how long because it wasn't until 2014. that he was. arrested he's currently serving in. prison for his crimes and side note. Apparently one of the calls that the. victim sisters received was traced to a. place called manille and that's where. John was living with his wife at the. time but he was ruled out by.

investigators at least for the Gilgo. four killings I believe he's still. suspected of other killings but not the. Gilgo for and then probably the most. Sinister link the most Sinister. suspect James Burke the former police. chief of Suffolk County the jurisdiction. of where all these killings took place. once again starts with James okay now. James brick was thrown in prison and and. he's quite um well before this he was a.

very well-respected police chief and. influential figure in town everyone knew. him most citizens liked him or at least. he was respected to a degree but. everything fell apart when a dildo was. stolen from his patrol car December 2012. so a few years after the bodies had been. found a duffel bag was stolen from. police chief bur's patrol car so this is. his work vehicle this duffle bag was. filled to the brim of explicit. pornography and. toys is that his it's his yeah we know. it's his oh he just have a a full duffel.

back full of it yeah it's not like. confiscated by a criminal and he's like. oh I got to bring this to evidence to. evidence no it's not it's not a. situation where he's like I just arrest. yes in his patrol car not normal yeah. why would a police chief have a bag of. these items in his patrol car like his. work vehicle yeah Chief Burke knew that. that's what everyone's going to be. asking him so in an attempt to shut this. situation down he catches the thief that. broke into his patrol car and stole that.

deel bag I don't know if the thief. thought it would be dos in there or. money in there but it was not what he. was expecting he throws the thief into. the police station where he was chained. to the ground and Burke is thinking okay. maybe the thief doesn't know what's in. the bag because he seems like he's on. drugs so maybe that's clouding his. memory but no the thief knew and he. called Chief Burke a pervert straight to. his face Chief Burke blew up screaming. slapping punching kicking the thief till. the other officers hit his subordinates. had to step in and stop him every time I.

asked for a lawyer I got hit again I got. hit again I got choked I got choked I. got punched I got slapped I got kicked. Chief Burke was sentenced to a few years. in prison for the assault and a lot of. the community still supported him at the. time but the question is what the hell. does this have to do with the Long. Island serial killings there was an. allegation that Chief Burke was a client. of work this is an allegation but one. worker approached the families of the. victims and allegedly stated that Chief. Burke forced her to perform seual acts.

on him after being busted for um I guess. legal term prostitution but for work you. get it the incident allegedly took place. near where Shannon went missing but. again none of this has been stated in. court side note he did beat the thief. okay that part has been legally proven. but I'm talking this work stuff she. claimed that Chief Burke would go to. these drug fueld parties with escorts in. Long Beach and ended up having really. rough seual encounters with a lot of. these escorts who felt too afraid to. support him because technically they're. engaging in illegal activity he's the.

police. chief but more than that the attorney. that was representing Shannon's family. said that allegedly Chief Burke was in. charge of the Gilgo Beach investigations. and a photo had been put out by the. police department of a ton of kadav dogs. being utilized to search the Gilgo Beach. area but allegedly only one of them was. the kadav dog the attorney stated that. the rest of the dogs were props what. does that make nzen feel feel like that. makes netizens feel like this man wants.

to shut down the investigation he. doesn't want to do a thorough. investigation but why why what a weird. way of covering a case then like what a. bizarre story yeah there's also rumors. that the Suffolk Police Department. wasn't that Cooperative with receiving. help from the FBI in the early stages of. this case which again people were like I. don't understand in a lot of cases there. are power struggles of jurisdictions and. you know you watch those TV dramas and. the FBI and the police are like no this.

is my jurisdiction but typically when it. comes to serial killings the FBI is. involved and they're welcomed you know a. lot of neens just felt like he's. stalling the investigation and making. sure nothing ties him to the crimes so. that was a very very strong Theory by. the way James Burke is going to keep. popping up if you're doing your own. independent Googling on this case but um. he's not the one that was arrested as. the suspected Long Island serial killer. it's crazy because as I just went down. this list with the exception of James. Bisset who owned the nursery and.

Aquarium all of the other men I'm like. okay yeah I mean I can see why people. think they're Shady yeah I can see that. I can see that and a lot of netizens. believed if the killer was ever caught. it would likely be someone on this list. or someone that people had heard of. being connected to this case. before but July 13th 2023 a man was. arrested for his connections to the. serial killings and it was not anyone on. the list it was a dad a.

husband an architect in Midtown. Manhattan he founded and owned his own. firm RH consultants and Associates not. anything to do with RH the furniture. shop he had an office on Fifth Avenue an. architect that worked with massive. companies like American Airlines New. York City sewage treatments and even. Catholic Charities ke founded this yeah. so he's very very successful yeah wow. well there debate about it because. technically he works with a lot of.

high-profile clients I don't know if his. success ebed and flowed I don't know if. he was in and out of um Financial. despair but I believe that at one point. his family was on welfare okay so that's. a huge debate too I believe he worked on. the project for the new Target store in. SoHo as well as the Burlington Coat. Factory store in. Brooklyn yeah and his double life came. crashing down because of a. pizza and I think a general tidbit in. true crime is don't commit crimes and. eat pizza and if you do eat pizza eat.

the Whole Crust Barry was in his early'. 70s this is not the killer okay Barry. and if you wanted to know what was going. on in this little neighborhood in Long. Island you would go to Barry Barry was. like the eyes maybe not the ears because. he said he's a bit hard of hearing now. but um he was The all- Knowing figure in. town like he would see which kids acted. up which neighbors stared a little too. long at each other's wives and husbands. he would also see the Yellow Tape go up. he was there when many of the neighbors. were interviewed or talking about what.

it was like to live so close to a. suspected serial killer and a lot of. these testimonies are conflicting so. whether it's hindsight truth attention. or just a little bit of everything many. of the neighbors said I always knew that. something was shady about that guy my. whole family stayed away from him he was. always you know Eerie cold creepy and. whenever I talk to him I just could not. put my finger on it but it was he gave. me a sense of. uneasiness some neighbors even wore. their suspicions about him almost like a. badge of honor the Schmidts always had a.

gut feeling about this guy Mike Schmidt. the dad he banned his kids from. trick-or-treating at this man's house. they had to skip that house every single. year every single Halloween there was. one time that Mike caved and was like. okay fine kids you can go ask for candy. when they got home his wife flipped out. and threw away all the candy she did not. trust him Mike said one time a couple of. the neighborhood dads were having beers. out back and they were in the backyard. that faced this man's house and he.

remembered as they're sipping on beer. during a l in the conversation he just. couldn't help himself he looked over and. he said he probably has bodies in there. and all the dads agreed and now with the. crime scene tape the police lights the. uniformed officers in and out of the. house everyone wondered were there. bodies in the house Barry on the other. hand he questioned himself he's like how. did I let a serial killer slip into the. neighborhood this guy was just an. average business businessman nothing. about him was particularly outstanding.

nor extraordinary I mean in fact the guy. grew up here so this suspected serial. killer grew up in the neighborhood Barry. watched him grow up in his family home. only to come back not too long ago to. raise his own family here he was a. family man he had a wife he had two kids. a lovely daughter and a big fancy job in. the city I mean how could he be a serial. killer so news spreads to old high. school friends a woman named Marine Bole. hpit had sit down and heard all the news. of her old high school buddy being a.

suspected serial killer and she just. remembered he used to leave all these. cute little no love notes for her during. class sometimes in her locker sometimes. in her textbook and like don't get me. wrong she said the letters were nice. they were sweet they were cute she never. really liked him back but she never. thought oh this guy's creepy I'm scared. of rejecting him in fact she kind of. thought the letters were kind and. complimentary and she would always have. a smile on her face when she read them. she said he was like a gentle giant. this part is intriguing so he's he's a. big guy okay tall big in stature all of.

the victims well most of them were under. 5 fet very petite woman and that is very. scary picture I guess to have anyway the. love notes would read something like I. like you could you like me back sweet. nothings EXO Rex. hman Rex hman of Long Island New York. Rex hman of Rh consultants and associat. and Rex hman the main suspect in the.

Gilgo Beach murders Rex hman the the. suspected Long Island serial killer so. Marine from high school she's really. distraught when she's reading these. headlines of Rex hman this rex hman that. even more so when she realized that one. of his victims over 20 years after high. school was also named Marine so did. anyone really know who Rex hman was some. people say no I knew it from the get-go. he was creepy some people said I never. saw it coming he had a wife named Aza. erup a stepson named Christopher and a.

daughter that he shared with Aza. Victoria hman and I'm not sure what the. family Dynamic was there is not too much. information on that but it does it does. seem like the family is incredibly. shocked at finding out that Rex was. suspected of being a killer maybe they. saw him the way that Steve saw him so. Steve is a property manager in Brooklyn. that worked with Rex for the past 30. years that's a long time okay and he. said he just a big old goofy guy like he. kind of had a nerdy side but all I saw.

was a hard worker that was very detail. oriented in his work and he said you. know he was a gem to work with he was. highly knowledgeable there's actually a. video of Rex online where he's talking. about his line of work and how it is. dealing with clients and he seems like a. New York business owner that you might. come across like nothing about the video. feels that alarming unless you want to. say like oh my God his eyes felt empty. but as being honest as possible like. taking hindsight away I kept rewatching. watching this video and I'm like he. seems pretty normal he kind of has that.

gritty New York sense of humor where he. says a little bit of edgy things but it. doesn't sound too aggressive just sounds. like he says it like it is type of guy. he also seems like one of those friendly. dads that make these kind of off-color. jokes and you're like uh I don't know if. you should be joking like that but. there's nothing that I think if I had. hired him as an architect for whatever I. don't know if I would have been like oh. my God his eyes are empty he just seem. at least in a professional setting very. normal and it's very possible that.

that's the Rex that the family knew or. maybe they saw flashes of a darker side. here and there but maybe they could. never imagine in a million years just. how dark it would be someone who worked. with Rex a former cooworker of his. stated that he scared her she said his. face would turn bright red whenever he. was like even a little bit riled up or. would see just like a random woman's. face like just randomly his face would. turn bright red like a little teenage. boy and he seemed to get off on making. his co-workers squeamish he just liked.

getting this reaction so he would talk. in depth and graphic detail about. hunting and killing animals to get a. reaction out of his female co-workers. she also stated that an ex-coworker had. quit to start a new competing business. nearby and she said that Rex was so mad. she was scared that he was going to go. out and shoot the. ex-employee authorities searched Rex. Herman's house and found over 270 guns. guns in his vaulted basement he only had.

90 permits and licenses for his entire. collection meaning the majority of his. guns were not registered. 270 yeah side note there were rumors. that there was a soundproof torture room. in his house but that was confirmed to. be false by authorities it's likely that. people misunderstood vaulted basement a. soundproof room and then it became like. torture chamber other notable items. found included a painting of a woman. with two black eyes like raccoon eyes as. well as a glass case with a doll inside. interesting these items have been seen.

by eyewitnesses being taken out of the. house but they haven't been confirmed by. police here is what has been confirmed. the authorities dug up Rex's backyard. and found no bodies buried they did. confiscate 8 terabytes of hard drives. and it hasn't been publicly revealed if. the hard drives are filled to the brim. if they have anything of significance on. them but a few of Herman searches were. released to the public and it's really. bad um I'm going to be censoring posted. them for this episode I don't even think. I could say it without I don't know.

being on a watch list somewhere it's. linked in the show notes the bail um the. bail application and that's where you. can find it he was into some incredibly. incredibly dark stuff he wanted to see. miners anywhere between the age of 10. and 13 years old he was looking for. explicit content with girls with beaten. or bruised faces or being tied up and. tortured the word crying appeared. numerous times in his searches he wanted. to see women and girls crying and in. pain and he specifically wanted to see. them cry while actively basically being.

tortured a very scary search that has. been um a topic of online discourse was. specifically for a torture video of a. red head many netizens have pointed out. that his daughter has red hair and that. just adds a very dark Sinister layer to. things his searches are terrifying I. mean some of them just read girl with. beat up face blond hair girl young. depressed it's just so unsettling a lot. of torture a lot of violence a lot lot. of girls and women with the exception of.

like one or two searches but that's not. all apparently he was also actively. searching about the Long Island serial. killer case he searched things like why. could law enforcement not trace the. calls made by the Long Island serial. killer why hasn't the Long Island serial. killer been caught Long Island serial. killer update. 2022 Long Island serial killer phone. call FBI active serial killers the Lisk. investigation new phone technology may. be key to break the case and at first I. wondered okay maybe these searches could. have been made in an anxious State and.

it very well could have been but then. these searches I'm about to tell you. about make me feel like this guy is. getting off on not being caught like. getting off on outsmarting the cops map. of all known serial killers unsolved. serial killer cases America's five most. notorious old cases 11 currently active. serial killers eight terrifying active. serial killers we can't find the Gilgo. Beach killer Criminal Minds episode yeah. he definitely is reliving it it's not. something that he's trying to hide away. get over he's he wants to be in that.

state yeah he also allegedly searched up. the victims by name and even some of. their relatives names and allegedly the. same account was used to search a number. of podcasts and documentaries regarding. this investigation so if you guys put. out a podcast or a documentary he could. have very well been watching it as well. as reviewing hundreds of images. depicting the murdered victims and. members of their immediate families so. he's trying to look at pictures of the. victim's families or pictures of the.

crime scene the murdered victims or. before they were murdered some people. have interpreted this as Rex just. getting off on not being caught right. which side note a Woman by the name of. Nicole brass went on a date with Rex. like 8 years ago before he was arrested. and stated that the date was incredibly. chilling she was working as an escort at. the time and he just wanted to talk. nonstop about the Long Island serial. killings he would even mention details. that she had never heard before and it. sounded like he would was so invested in. this case she said when he spoke about.

the murders it was almost like he was. visualizing it in his head and getting. off to what he was saying it seemed like. it seemed like somebody who really. wanted to brag about something but they. couldn't while a task force was. investigating the Long Island Sero. killer he was investigating the task. force trying to keep up with the news on. if they were going to break the case or. not now beyond that there are other. connections to Rex in the case we can. kind of break it down to a few parts so. let's start with the DNA of evidence. there was hairs found in the burlap.

sacks of how the bodies were wrapped on. Gilgo Beach three of them were female. Caucasian hairs one of them was a male. caucasian hair but they ran it through. their systems it wasn't a match to. anyone so this is basically another. needle in a hay stack how are you even. going to find who to test this DNA. against if they're not already in the. database so they just have these four. hairs three of them belong to oza erup. Rex Herman's wife and okay she's not. guilty she's not even suspected of being.

involved she's actually out of town when. all the murders happened she was like. visiting family in Ireland going to. Maryland and New Jersey at each time of. the murders but it's like when you're at. home how much of your hair do you think. has fallen on the floor or is stuck to. the couch on your bed in your garage and. then that can get picked up by clothes. or shoes it it's not that you would. necessarily be guilty of a crime or even. understand that a crime had happened. it's just you shed DNA as you exist now. his DNA one of it was linked to the case.

now this is going to be important later. but there's other evidence and I think. this will be like the new age of serial. killers so American Express AMX records. it's a credit card if you're not from. the US they showed a reoccurring payment. made to Tinder the dating app on his MX. yes which revealed that Rex had a Tinder. profile setup that linked to a burner. phone number his name on Tinder. allegedly was Andrew Roberts so. basically they believe that they're able. to track his Tinder account to a burner. phone and this burner phone to Rex and.

this Tinder account is linked to his AMX. so it's like a digital Trail M side note. this selfie was also sent by a burner. phone so like I don't know how they're. going to argue that one in court right. he sent a selfie to a worker from a. burner phone Rex was also caught on CCTV. cameras at a cell phone store in Midtown. Manhattan purchasing minutes for one of. these burner phones which for those. interested Rex had a ton of different. emails fake emails that authorities. believe he used to conceal his identity. on these websites while hunting for. victims and one of the emails was Hunter.

19033 atgmailcom and I'm sure it could. very well just be Hunter the name but. with all the talks of him being someone. that likes to taunt Chase and Hunt his. victims I just thought it was an odd. detail but this is where I thought. things were so interesting so you know. the whole Black Mirror episode the terms. and conditions episode the recent. release well terms and conditions might. have caught Rex too so authorities. traced Rex's home IP address they. monitored his IP address and in creating. one of these fake emails he had to.

accept terms and conditions that was. accepted from his supposed IP address so. they're basically saying we can confirm. at least we're going to argue that this. can be confirmed to be his fake email. address that was used to create a Tinder. account that is also used to link to a. burner phone because he accepted terms. and conditions from the IP address of. his home then that same IP address was. used to look up news about the. investigation so they're saying saying. we can try to argue that he is looking. up news about his supposed own.

investigation and then that same IP. address was used to book flights at. JetBlue for Rex hurman and his wife so. it's like we can all connect these. things to Rex because of his IP address. right cuz IP address is the same for Rex. and for all these fake identities yes. but also he's like using the same IP. address to book of flight for Rex hman. meanwhile creating fake identities the. same IP address yeah so it's kind of. like address is the common link for all. these fake yeah which I feel like this.

could very well be like the new age of. serial killers being caught now these. are all the things that authorities are. gathering and building a case against. Rex hman I'm sure that there's a lot. more information and a lot more evidence. that hasn't been released to the public. yet and the way that they caught him is. also very interesting so back in January. of 2022 there was a designated task. force that was going to pour over the. files and just try to find all these. little pieces of evidence and see what. they have in March 2022 they keep coming. across their very first lead which had. been there for decades um over a decade.

and it's this car one of the first. victims that was discovered vanished on. the beach there was an eyewitness who. saw her and was like before she vanished. there was this Chevy Avalanche Avalanche. those was like there this old Chevy they. like I believe they gave the license. plate names and that car was believed to. be driven by the Killer and in 2022 they. traced it to Rex hman now that's when. they started investigating him and they. cover the alleged burner cell phones. that Rex allegedly purchased to arrange.

meetings with three I'm so sorry that's. it just a car yeah and a lot of people. are like how did you not investigate. that earlier but I guess they didn't. think that it was a big. lead yeah tell me about it okay A lot of. people are mad okay yeah so then um they. start investigating Rex they're like. this guy is buying a lot of burner. phones a lot of these burner phones can. be connected to be in contact with a lot. of the victim's phones at one point or. another all of his locations can be. traced to when those phone calls to the. victims came out he was in that area his.

own personal cell phone peened him in. that area which was also very close to. his Midtown office in Manhattan so it. would make sense that he got out of work. and then made those taunting phone calls. if it indeed is him on top of that they. pull his AMX records and there were. numerous instances where Rex was buying. something in the same general area as he. was calling so like right after a phone. call was pinged in Midtown Manhattan to. one of the victim's family members he. would be purchasing like a dog in. Midtown Manhattan so just another link.

and um if you guys are into the whole. nitty-gritty breakdown in this the show. notes um I'm going to have the bail. application you can read over that the. court dock but there's just a lot more. in depth of like where each cell phone. towers pinged him and at what times and. like all of that they also have the. hairs from the Gilgo Beach 4 and they. needed to test Rex huberman's DNA he. ends up throwing away a pizza box in a. garbage can in Fifth Avenue like on the. side of the street one of those public. trash cans while leaving work. they get it he's not a crust eater so. his DNA is left all over that pizza.

crust that pizza box was brought in and. the DNA was a match now it is again. important to note that even though oza. Eller up the wife's DNA was a match to. the hairs found on the bodies. authorities do not believe that any of. Rex's family members have been involved. or to even have knowledge of his crimes. in fact authorities found multiple. travel records that oza his wife was out. of town when the murders took place like. I mentioned if this is true then it's. likely that he timed so that he could. kill when he was alone it's a tricky.

situation because you know obviously. there are so many victims with ties to. this case and all of their families who. have been searching for justice and. answers and I can't imagine that the. type of pain that they had been. experiencing for the past 13 years but I. hope I can gently point out that. typically serial killers have a lot of. um a lot of victims and it's not just. the victims they killed and not not just. the victim's families but with a lot of. serial killers they were family members.

you know and a lot of these family. members they were floored to find out. that the person in their life had a. double life so I would just wonder if. it's such a niche feeling that most of. us will never hopefully be able to. relate to its loss grief anger betrayal. and just a strong sense of like how I I. would I would imagine it's just a whole. questioning of your life and identity. Rex's family members are really going. through it so they're going through this. process but his wife oza is also.

battling cancer her health insurance. runs out soon because she was covered. under Rex's work plan and their son. Christopher has a disability and I'm not. saying this to be like oh my God guys. they're the only victims in this case. trust me I'm not but I will say that the. police have been a bit rough with the. way that they approached the hman family. I mean forget Rex I'm talking about his. family they were essentially kicked out. of their homes the family have reported. that the home has been completely. trashed so essentially the police during. the search warrant I will say they they.

were thorough they even cut up a bathtub. in the family home to make sure that. there was no evidence or bodies hidden. inside the bathtub and additionally. authorities did not give the family time. to ensure the safety of their two family. cats so thankfully Christopher's service. dog is fine but it just it adds another. layer of pain and messiness to this case. now there is a quote from anthon s. Martin that just kept popping up in my. mind while we were researching this case. which is if we never experience the.

chill of a dark winter it is very. unlikely that we will ever cherish the. warmth of a bright summer's day and I. think that applies strongly to the. victims in this case these were good. people that had fallen into hard dark. Winters but most of them their family. States they never stopped providing. warmth to everyone around them even if. they themselves were out shivering in. the cold they still were bringing. happiness and smiles and joy to everyone.

around them and I think that's what we. should focus on Megan Waterman was the. first of the Gilgo Beach Bodies to be. identified she was 22 years old her. family said if you had just met Megan. you would fall in love with her she was. hilarious super witty she had a very. pure heart and maybe that was hard for. her to be in a world that is pretty. cruel and maybe it's hard for her to. understand that not everyone has the. level of love and compassion that she. wanted to have and one of the biggest. things during her childhood was she felt.

abandoned by her parents her mom lost. custody of her she was raised by her. grandma and eventually that frustration. and anger and confusion about this world. it led her to feel rage just a lot of. rage she fell into drinking as a. teenager and she had this turning point. in her life where she found out that she. was going to be a young mom this is in. her late teens and she's like okay now I. really have to straighten out my life I. want to be the best mom I can I want to. be the best example for my future. daughter she stops drinking she starts. working saving up and her goal was just.

to give her daughter everything her. whole life changed after being a mom her. priorities were changed and we're all. just like too familiar with how much. money rules this world and Megan she's. just trying to make money for her kid. and sometimes that was doing things that. she didn't necessarily want to do Megan. had been back in touch with her mom and. her mom actually found out about Megan's. job through a friend they were like hey. you need to check out Craigslist so she. started scrolling on Craigslist and. there was Megan and she was shocked she.

was like I need to know what's going on. and it turns out that Megan had met a. man named ake at first Akim seemed like. a really nice guy aspirational almost he. was living a life that most people could. only hope for like he had time Freedom. he had the financial capabilities to. indulge in whatever luxuries he wanted. and Megan was like I want that for my. daughter he told her escorting is the. best way and she was convinced she. starts posting on Craigslist and the. back page which which is another website. and AEM supposedly slid right into the.

role of being her pimp he would drive. her to her client meetings and on this. particular night he took her to Long. Island dropped her off at a holiday in. express and then she vanished CCTV. cameras showed her leaving the hotel at. around 1:30 a.m. she was seen alone. leaving maybe she was meeting up with. someone else maybe it was yeah and that. was the last time she was ever seen. alive the second body belonged to Marine. Brainard Barnes she she grew up very. pensive she seemed like she could see. connections that others couldn't see so.

even as like a middle schooler she. wondered things like is heaven a. physical place or just a state of mind. she's having these very deep thoughts. and growing up her head was just always. in a book her nose was shoved in a book. and when she got really into it she was. so lost it would take like a semi Tru. honking it horn full blast for her to be. like oh my God what's going on in. reality and that's not to say that she. was out of touch or living in her own. version of reality she just really loved. getting lost in ideas and connections.

and stories her favorite book for a. while was The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown. and her thing you know Marine's one. thing was life is full of mysteries and. you know a lot of people they'd be like. uh what's the point in try to figuring. it out but Marine was a firm believer. that the answers were just right there. for anyone who dug deep enough and her. eyes would light up when she would tell. her siblings about what she had just. read and this is how she grew up and. sure she went through like a rebellious. phase but she was skipping school to.

read books so it's not like the most. thrilling way to break the rules if you. ask me but I think what made her very. special was the very thing that made it. very hard for her to be happy in this. world she was a very big dreamer and she. hated the idea that not everyone was. that so one time she was living with her. sister Missy and she brought home these. two straight kittens they were infested. with fleas like the fleas were spreading. everywhere and her sister was like you.

got to get them out of here you got to. get them out of the house we can barely. afford to take care of ourselves we. cannot take this on and Marine told her. you can't live life being so heartless. she went and bought flea shampoo with. whatever little money she had she came. home spent hours taking off every single. flee and tick and her whole body was. covered in scratches from the. kittens but she did not feel any of that. pain and by the time she was 21 she had. a 4-year-old daughter with no stady. income she tried everything she tried.

working at a call center delivering. pizzas nothing really stuck and then she. was like you know what I'm going to be a. musician she really loved writing so. she's like okay this is what I'm going. to do but in order to fund myself I'm. going to try to be a model so she goes. on. model.com she submits these profile. shots and like model head shot and then. emails start flowing in from a ton of. quote modeling agencies they were. basically escorting agencies and. obviously they know what they're doing. they're targeting young women who need.

to make money and of course it starts. slow they say it's like webcam stripping. but in person no intercourse it's like. being a dancer that's it it's a great. stepping stone into being a model all. the top models had this phase in their. career and slowly she gets more and more. intrigued and she goes up to meet with a. talent scout in New York City and he. kept saying as long as she came to New. York City he could help her get set up. and she would be modeling in no time. Marine was really excited really excited. so right off the bat the first day it.

felt like the possibilities were endless. she was told about how much money she. could make about how this was the start. of a successful life for her and her. daughter and soon enough she was on. Craigslist and she usually went by Marie. or Juliana and it just seemed like she. never told any of her family members. about her job not even her sister Missy. Melissa that she was super close with in. fact Missy would ask like what are you. doing in Manhattan all the time. and Marine would kind of get a little. bit touchy about it it made Missy very.

nervous like what would my sister be so. touchy about why is she so sensitive. when I ask what her job is so most of. the time Marine would meet with clients. in hotel rooms and she she tried to stay. away from doing out calls which means. that she goes to meet with the man. whether it's at their place of choosing. typically their home but July 9th 2007. at around midnight she called her friend. and said that she was doing an out call. that was the last time she was seen. alive. when Missy and Marine's brother found. out that she was missing they actually.

went to New York City and they had a. picture of marine and they were just. asking any passer by like have you seen. this woman please have you seen this. woman and I think the visual of that is. just so heartbreaking cuz if you've ever. visited New York City it's it's an. amazing City but people are on the go. people are probably not stopping to. listen and even the ones that did they. didn't they hadn't seen her and it. seemed like the police didn't care. because she was an escort and they said. she probably ran. away her body was found on Gilgo Beach 3.

and 1/2 years later after her. disappearance her best friend Sarah. would actually receive phone calls from. the killer wow yeah and the killer would. try to get Sarah to verify Marine's. tattoo to be like I know Marine do you. know Marine where was her tattoos Sarah. would State the location of their. tattoos and he said you know I saw her. she was alive living at a house in. Queens New York which obviously turned. out to be a false lead but it does seem. that it was the Long Island zero killer. calling side note um according to the.

book Lost Girls by Robert kker Marine. actually had posted on MySpace during. her escorting days about having. nightmares about encountering a serial. killer during her job cuz I guess she. was scared of the dangers of her job. which I'm saying she really avoided. doing out calls now Melissa bartholomy. was a New Yorker through and through she. would be the third body found on Gilgo. Beach she was born in New York she very. much had that non-nonsense New York. attitude I think she got it from her mom.

so when Melissa's mom Lynn was giving. birth to her she was admitted into this. Catholic Hospital nearby and she's. screaming from the pain of the. contractions like she's giving birth. it's painful and this nun runs in and. it's like sh you're waking up the other. patients and Lynn screams at her shut up. you've never even had sex. before so it's just it runs in their. family you know and Melissa grew up to. be 4T 10 in tall a good day they said. but she literally did not care her. family said she had such a fiery.

personality she was not scared to go up. against men that were double triple her. size her stepdad Jeff said yeah that. girl would not hesitate to punch a man. in the face if he started something with. her she was Fearless we actually had a. rule for her which was you never hit. first Melissa told her family that she. was going to move from Buffalo New York. to into the city to start her own hair. salon and she left her family including. her sister Amanda and the two of them. were like two peas in a pod so this was. really rough for them to be separated. Melissa's plan was to start working at a.

salon make money market herself save up. as much as possible and then start her. own salon and when she gets to New York. it's just it's rough she's not even. making enough to pay the bills to. support herself so she quits and she. tries her hand at a topless bar her. parents were not thrilled they scolded. her but she reassured them listen no. one's touching me and I'm just getting. enough to pay the bills and maybe start. something new of my own. Amanda knew that she was lying but. Amanda her sister would never break.

sister code by telling the parents the. truth Amanda knew that Melissa was. working as an escort and not at a. topless bar at first Melissa told Amanda. don't worry because I'm just going on a. bunch of dates with lonely guys okay. there's no activity But as time passed. Melissa finally told Amanda okay yeah. there are some activities involved and. Amanda was just so worried but every. time Melissa would come home she seemed. happy she loved to spoil her family with. gifts but near the end of 2008 her. family noticed a shift the next time she.

came home for a visit she kept talking. about how she wanted to move back home. soon it just seemed like she was. exhausted of this line of work and then. July 12th 2009 she left her apartment to. meet up with a client and she was never. seen alive again the whole family went. to find Melissa mode okay they're like. we got to find her just like Marine's. family they tried everything to locate. her they they knew that Melissa would. never disappear without telling them. would never go on the Run they called. the police every single day demanding. that they help look for her and every.

single day the police would just hang up. on them a heartbreaking detail about. this case Amanda had to break the news. to her parents about Melissa's line of. work Amanda felt guilt she felt like. maybe if I had said something or done. something sooner she wouldn't be missing. Melissa's family felt guilt of why. didn't she tell us did she not trust us. did she not think we would understand it. was just a lot of layers of grief and. additionally you know Amanda was even. seen as slightly suspicious by.

authorities because it seemed like she. was hiding something and she would. slowly have to reveal all the truth for. example Melissa would bring around a. boyfriend named John and her parents. thought that he was a nice man that was. in love with their daughter but Amanda. knew he was basically just a pimp he. would um he's the one that exposed. Melissa to work he dated her like a. boyfriend and then lured her into. escorting being like Oh yeah all my. friends girlfriends do this I mean it's. just you don't have to do anything with. a client if you don't want to it's all. about having your own freedom and power.

you don't have to do anything you don't. want and in the end you're the one. holding the strings and you're the one. making the money and he slowly made her. feel more and more comfortable to do it. but the minute that she did he just used. her for her body and her for money he. started becoming physically violent with. her as well I mean Melissa had been. admitted to the hospital on three. different occasions for head trauma and. another time for a collapse long he was. beating her and putting her in a. position where she could no no longer be. in control of anything and now she was. missing 27-year-old Amber Lynn Castello.

was also found in Gilgo Beach she was. from North Carolina and she had all the. traits of like a Southern girl very kind. sweet trusting she was very petite as. well she had this older sister named Kim. and Kim was kind of like her mom sister. and best friend and Amber just seemed. like a really happy kid until she was. five a 26-year-old neighbor offered to. take Amber and her older sister him and. another girl from the neighborhood to. play tennis at the park we're not too. clear what happened but it seemed that.

the neighbor would grab Amber drag her. to the bushes and Essay her the family. was wrecked after that Amber's father. went up to the man and pulled a gun to. his head we don't know if he was. arrested but it was a very hard. situation to overcome Amber was. emotionally traumatized I think that she. kind of blamed her parents as a kid her. parents blamed themselves as a kid it. was a lie. and then everything just kind of. deteriorated from there as Kim grew up. both of the parents fell sick at the.

same time and Kim was like okay I got to. quit school and I'm going to become a. dancer so she became like um like a. bachelor party dancer sometimes it would. be her alone or with other girls and she. worked for this big big agency and she. was told over and over again like you. don't have to do any activities in fact. this agency strictly forbids you from. doing activities wink wink so the agency. is basically saying we pay you to go. dance now if you do something else we. don't want to hear about it we don't. want to know about it you take that.

money in cash yeah cuz I guess it would. be illegal if they were running like um. yeah an escorting business and some of. these girls they all lived in the same. house there was almost like this sority. type atmosphere to it and Kim really. liked it she was making more than like. $800 a night or more and other girls her. age they were making like $10 an hour. working at fast food chains if even $10. an hour and Kim treated this job like a. job she was here to make money set. boundaries with clients and in the end. it's all about making the money.

providing for her family Amber. eventually joined to help make some. money for the family and people said. that if you saw both the sisters they. were just very different Amber seemed. like she was more here for making. connections finding friends like I said. it's like a sorority type atmosphere she. really just wanted to feel like she fed. fit in with the other dancers she seemed. too innocent for this line of work for. example one of the dancers boyfriend. friends got arrested for purchasing. illegal drugs and that dancer couldn't. afford a lawyer whether she had blown.

through the money that she had made or. she wasn't making as much as the other. girls or had just started Amber offered. to dance and potentially do more with an. attorney as payment for representing her. Dan's colleague's boyfriend yeah and. while working for this agency it seemed. like the girls were you know kind of. getting led to do drugs Kim got addicted. to at one point and for Amber it was she. was so addicted she started stealing. from her clients and that resulted from.

her being let go from the agency I. believe Amber was briefly married but it. just she was going through a dark dark. time I mean her addiction grew more. intense and she just how people describe. her is Amber was someone that really. wanted to be happy but had a hard time. sustaining that feeling just keeping it. for more than a second and it just felt. like her life she was just chasing. happiness on all the wrong roads she was. amazing and she really was as amazing as. she was was as tormented as she was I.

mean she was just someone who was dealt. very very bad cards and just wanted to. smile a bit and I mean that's the thing. most of these victims they were all. trying they're all trying to do good for. their families or their children or for. their Futures and it's just hard so I. mean you can really see that with Amber. she would be very very in a dark space. and then she would consistently try and. go to church to pull herself out of it. and then it wouldn't work and then she. would go back to drugs and go back to. escorting it was a lot she went off to.

do her own thing after she was like of. from the agency Kim was also working and. she was very very busy so they kind of. drifted apart they didn't have a falling. out but Kim was also kind of telling her. sister you got to stop doing these. dangerous out calls but as Amber grew. more addicted to drugs she was just more. desperate for funds she was actually one. of the more recent victims she had. disappeared for a few months and then. Kim would get a call that her body was. found on Gilgo. Beach yeah and the saddest part is Kim.

actually became hyper fixated on trying. to find Justice for her sister she. became a true crime fanatic she read. books on True Crime she read books on. serial killers and profilers she even. thought to herself she could catch the. killer alone if the police can't do it. she could present herself as the perfect. victim online and see if he would reach. out to her wow. yeah because you know the assumption is. that there was a client targeting the. escorts I think the general consensus is.

that the Gilgo Beach 4 were victims of. one zero killer the initial four bodies. that I just talked about the way that. they were killed they seem to have. strong links to one zero killer and as. of right now Rex hman has been charged. with the deaths of three of the Gilgo. four and it's suspected by authorities. that he was heavily involved and is the. culprit for the other of the Gilgo 4 so. we're still going to go over the others. but keep in mind that they have not been. definitively linked to Rex as of right. now Jessica Taylor was also found on. Gilgo Beach her head and hands were at.

least the rest of her body was actually. discovered 8 years ago and they had. finally matched yeah so about 40 m away. her torso was found 8 years ago there. was another body found nearby. 24-year-old Valerie Mack just like. Jessica only her head and hands were. found at the beach the rest of her body. was found 40 Mi away so are you saying. that he yeah dismembered her and then. disposed them separate. yes so some people think that there was. an evolution if all of these bodies were.

belonging to one killer there's an. evolution as his personality evolves as. his killings evolve maybe his confidence. goes up if this is true cuz these bodies. seem to have been from much further back. so people are speculating he might have. dismembered them as an attempt to cuz. he's more anxious of being caught but. maybe as his confidence grows he has. been just dumping bodies whole. M because he's like no one's going to. find the bodies I don't have to go. around and do all of this mhm and then.

he stopped well people think that he. probably didn't yeah that there's. another dump site somewhere whether that. be rex or the Long Island zero killer. cuz again legally he hasn't been um. convicted yet so just covering my butt. there so whether whoever it is if. they're still alive the Long Island zero. killer they probably never stop killing. then there is whom the authorities refer. to as quote peaches which I feel is a. little bit disrespectful but that is how. she's often referred in this case she.

was a Jane Doe and she had a tattoo of a. heart-shaped Peach on her left breast so. authorities called her peaches she was a. young black woman wearing gold jewelry. at the time of her death her torso had. been found decades ago in a storage bin. but her limbs were found in Gilgo Beach. her body was linked to the toddler found. on Gilgo Beach so remember there's a. toddler yeah that is believed to be. Peach's daughter and the theory is that. peaches was an escort that had brought. her child with her her on the job. because she couldn't afford care and her. child was killed to get rid of any. Witnesses or.

trouble there was also an unidentified. Asian individual found on Gilgo Beach. and just to put a quick disclaimer we. have no idea how this person identified. while they were alive in all reports. they are referred to as he him because. forensics have identified the remains as. quote male and the investigators have. come up with their own theory of how. this person was killed their body was. found in women's clothes so authorities. speculated that they were escort and. they had advertised their services. online and the theory was the killer. hired them and for whatever reason was.

very upset with how they might have. presented themselves in the ad and then. killed them profilers and officials lean. towards this Theory because their victim. profile doesn't really match the others. and again they um they speculate that. they were killed by blunt force. trauma I believe were dealing with. skeletal remains so there might be some. evidence on the bones but um I guess. it's just different from the. strangulation and asphixiation of the. other victims and then just you know.

again this is just going off the theory. that all of the victims are related to. the Long Island serial killer case some. people argue that there are two killers. that dump their bodies in the same place. nothing is 100% or certain as of now. there was another body though she was. known as The Fire Island Jane Doe but. has recently been identified as Karen. vergata her legs were found wrapped in. plastic decades ago and the rest of her. body was found on Gilgo. Beach and now we have to talk about. Shannon Gilbert she's actually not.

considered by authorities as a victim of. the Long Island seral killer or the. Gilgo Beach killer but it seems like her. disappearance almost triggered this. investigation it's almost impossible to. hear about the Long Island serial killer. without having Shannon's story so. closely intertwined so whether or not. Shannon was a victim of the Long Island. zal killer it's it's yet to be seen But. Shannon was still a victim of someone. December of 2011 a year after the. initial Gilgo Beach 4 were found. Shannon's remains were found in Oak.

Beach not too far away her family was. absolutely devastated I mean they said. Shannon's life had been cut short before. she could accomplish her dreams Shannon. was always known to be this very. independent strong willed person but her. friends remember her to be a bit. unstable she didn't have that solid. foundation to fall back off on when she. was growing up she did have a rough. childhood she was in and out of foster. care she was early on diagnosed with. bipolar disorder she was prescribed.

medications for it but eventually she. stopped taking them because she said It. felt her it made her just feel so. disconnected and shaky one of her. biggest dreams was just to support her. siblings and provide for them she wasn't. picky about the jobs that she had she. was a hostess at Applebee she was a. receptionist at hotels eventually she. moved in with her boyfriend Alex and. started escorting for an agency she. eventually Branch off so that she would. have to stop splitting the profits with. the agency and she hired a personal. driver Michael Pack he was known to just.

drive personal escorts to and from. clients and almost kind of serve as. protection but not really as of right. now Rex has not been charged with. Shannon's death there have been no known. links as of right now between the two. but Shannon's family and friends are. absolutely certain that Shannon was. killed whether it was by rex or by. somebody else she was killed but what's. infuriating is that authorities would. State this may just be a young lady who. ran into the brush in a hysterical State. fell down and expired for some.

reason what so they're hinting at her. mental illness past history mental. health past history of being diagnosed. with different mental diagnosis and also. maybe she was on drugs it's um it's a. very it's a very harsh way of stating it. a lot of nens feel like even if that are. true the way that they're stating it and. going about Shannon's death feel like. just trying to sweep it under the rug. because they already have enough on. their plates a lot of people wondered if. the police commissioner at the time.

would have still said that had Shannon. not been an escort authorities theorized. though that Shannon was having a mental. break and mixed with drugs was a recipe. for disaster she got lost in the thick. reads that are 12T tall and then died. but according to Dr Michael bayen a. forensic pathologist who conducted an. independent autopsy of Shannon's remains. he said he observed damage to Shannon's. hyoid bone which is bone in your neck. area he believes that indicates. strangulation and since there were. reports that she was drowned in the.

marsh like she drowned in maybe a few. inches of water in the marsh which is. common you can drown in a few inches of. water he stated but her face was found. face. up which is atypical of drowning victims. even if the water was a bit higher the. Gilberts Shannon's family were really. upset because Shannon's cause of death. was listed as asphixiation which lined. up with the other deaths caused by the. Long Island serial killer they stay this. isn't about us trying to pinpoint a. serial killer or trying to make her. disappearance fit a narrative it's about. finding truth and justice for Shannon.

they also stated that they want to. remember Shannon that while alive she. had a complicated Journey but in death. she was a true hero she was the. potential reason that the other victims. had been found and ultimately led to the. alleged serial killer being caught so as. of right now Rex hman has been charged. in the deaths of Megan Waterman Melissa. bartholomy and amberin Costello he has. not been charged in the death of marine. Brainard Barnes but not because he's not. suspected of being involved but because.

his DNA was not found directly on her. body authorities are confident that Rex. is the Gilgo for killer but as for the. rest of the victims I guess we'll just. have to wait and see how that plays out. in court and I'm not saying that to. insinuate that there's not good evidence. against Rex I'm just saying he hasn't. been convicted in the court of law so. I'm maintaining some caution that's all. there is however an un fortunate update. Shannon's Sister Sarah was charged with. murdering their mother who was very.

vocal about this case and has been an. advocate in this case in a schizophrenic. episode in. 2016 Sarah stabbed her mother hundreds. of times with a knife and bludgeoned her. with a fire extinguisher she's been. sentenced to 25 years to life and it. just adds another layer of tragedy to. this case and I I mean of course a lot. of. people think that there are no excuses. to something like like that but there. are a big group of people online that. Wonder would this still have happened. had Shannon not gone missing you know.

how much trauma did the family endure. for her to have a schizophrenic episode. of this. caliber yeah so it's just been truly we. don't know the impact of this case and. back to the disgraced police chief Burke. remember that guy with the in his car oh. yeah according to the Daily Mail which. is considered by many a quite. questionable publication so do with that. what you will um they' have been. publishing a few pieces about a supposed.

connection between Rex hman and former. Chief Burke they claimed that sources. claimed that the two would meet at. notorious pickle Parks listen I had to. look up Pickle Parks pickle parks are. people who cruise around looking to. either pay for or either offer for pay. but apparently after Burke got out he. was arrested recently for soliciting an. undercover park ranger and for indecent. exposure in public lewdness. he was offering for pay and apparently. Burke and Rex had crossed paths.

according to many Anonymous. sources I guess it's just something to. look out for a link between the two you. know it would be very interesting as the. trial pushes. forward in slightly more positive news. K9 Officer blue was eventually honored. at their Police Department award. ceremony for their contributions to the. Gilgo Beach homicide. investigation Rex huberman has pled not. guilty he's due back in court at the end. of this month end of September so I. imagine there's going to be a very.

lengthy process to justice but the fames. they've waited long enough Jessica. Taylor's cousin said I hope that she's. remembered as a beautiful young woman. not just by her occupation at the time. but by everything else she's loved and. missed every day Megan Waterman's sister. said I felt anger and relief it's. starting all over again you know she was. vulnerable naive a drug addict girl who. was very influenced by this monster of a. man and Lynn the mother of Melissa said. I'd like him to suffer at the hands of.

other inmates death is too good for. him and I guess one beautiful thing that. has come out of such a tragic heinous. series of events is the victim's. families have formed a very strong bond. they're leaning on each other for. support and uplifting each other and. hopefully that will help them in their. fight to. Justice seil County Police Commissioner. Rodney Harrison stated Rex was a demon. that that walked Among Us a predator. that ruined families someone that. shattered lives and not just one but.

several and maybe more and I wish I. could give you an answer I can't tell. you at this time is Rex hman going to be. held accountable for the other bodies on. Ocean Parkway only time will tell I. guess we'll just have to wait and see. what happens next but what are your. thoughts please leave it in the comments. and please stay safe I will see you guys. on Sunday for the minod bye.