Ruby Franke Wrote "Abuse Diary" While Posting “Keeping Kid Safe In Predatory Society” Podcast

[Music]. Bada bing, bada boom. For a few weeks in. 2024, this becomes the most viewed house. on. Realtor.com, which I mean, it's a little. random. It's this $5 million mansion in. what appears to be a beautiful yet. seemingly middle of nowhere place in. Utah. It's stunning, don't get me wrong, but in the doomsday bunker, if it's the. end of the world, the apocalypse is. hitting, this might be a great place to. hide out type of way. It looks like a.

bunch of square concrete blocks just. jammed together to make this giant. 10,000 square ft behemoth of a home. It's got 15 ft ceilings, views of the. red rock mountains from the living room. The primary bedroom even has its own. fireplace in front of a giant soaking. tub, giant walk-in closet with washer. and dryer inside. Side note, the primary. bedroom, the windows are massive and. they're seamless. They're unframed, so.

you just see the red mountains, and it. almost looks like an LED screen from the. primary bedroom. But the real selling. points are the beautiful pool, the hot. tub, home theater, second kitchen, guest. house, dog washing station. The blinds. are all controlled by a remote. It's an. incredibly secluded, isolated on 1.4 4. acres of property. Your neighbors are. all several blocks away. Ultimate. privacy. But the more that you click on. these pictures, it starts to get. confusing. Why is there a doomsday. bunker inside this house? I mean, what. are the owners preparing for? It feels.

like, judging by the photos, a good. chunk of the house is just unfinished. concrete rooms in the basement for. storage, for survival. There's even a. panic room with a giant door-sized safe. vault door that you have to get through. And once you swing it open in the. basement, it's equipped with its own. fridge, sink, toilet. The purpose would. be, I guess, in case of doomsday, you. could go in there and stay safe. Or if. someone's breaking into the home, you. want to protect yourself, you could rush.

in there. Or maybe you can lock someone. inside from the outside. But why would. you want to do that, right? Kevin. Frankie, who has spent a lot of time in. this now viral home with his wife, Ruby. Frankie, and the owner of the home, Jodie Hildebrand. He says, "While we. were at that house, there were things. that happened. I can't explain it. There. was a tremendous crash in the basement. that we heard directly beneath us, but. when we went and checked, there was. nothing. It's just small instances like.

this. Below them, there would be an. empty, completely empty concrete storage. room. Nobody's down there, but they hear. something like a table falling over, crashing over. They run downstairs. I. mean, there's truly nothing. There's. nothing that could have even fallen off. the walls. What would that sound come. from in a completely empty room? Or. another time Kevin says, "The whole. house is glass." And he looks up one day. and he sees a massive handprint high up. on the glass. Like, there's no way.

anybody could have gone up there. No. human could have reached that high. And. why would they? The hand is about three. times longer than a normal person's. hand. The fingers are just scraping down. the window, it appears. I mean, what the. hell is that? It seems like everyone in. that house is convinced that that is the. presence of Satan. Maybe the house is. haunted. Jod, the homeowner, would have. an bishop come over performing exorcisms. on a daily basis. It seems like whoever.

or whatever is in this house is. targeting Jodi Hildebrandt. There are. plates that Kevin said would just fly. off the counter out of nowhere and they. would just go full speed, just. shattering, crashing on impact. Like, how do you explain that? There were. whispers that sounded like people were. around, but nobody was there. Kevin. says, "I can't explain it, but I saw it. with my own eyes. I became the resident. exorcist." But the house being allegedly. haunted is not why the house is so. famous on realtor.com. It's not because.

it's haunted. It's because August 30th, 2023, two children were rescued out of. the basement of that home. They had been. held captive, tortured, starved, and. abused. This is the case of Ruby Frankie. and Jodie Hildebrandt. [Music].

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and two before this episode. In part. one, we go over Ruby Frankie's YouTube. channel and her being quote unquote. cancelled by concerned internet users, netizens who believe that she was. abusing her six children behind the. scenes. Which, side note, we will be. referring to The Eldest Children by. Sherry and Chad by their names. They. have publicly spoken out about what's. happened. They're adults. Sherry. actually has an incredible book that I. think everyone would gain a lot of not. just insight on the case, but insight on. what it would mean to be the child of a.

family vlogger. It's the type of book. that gives you a lot of pause. It makes. you think a lot. And she's a phenomenal. writer. It's called House of My Mother. So, go buy a copy, go buy 22 copies, share it with your friends to support. Sher Frankie. The four youngest Frankie. kids will be referred to by their first. initial of their names or when feasible, just as one of the kids. Regardless of. if their names are publicly out there, we're going to just use their first. initial. In part two, we went over Jodi. Hildebrandt, the so-called porn. therapist who made it her life's mission.

to just make married couples divorced. That appears to be her favorite thing in. the world. She loves ruining marriages. and even concocting plans to get. patients admitted into prisons. Allegedly, there's a lot going on in. there. And in part two, we end off with. Jod telling Ruby and Kevin that she's. being haunted by demons sent by Satan in. this $5 million mansion. They fully. believe it and they invite Jod to come. stay in the Frankie household with them. and their six kids. And Sherry realizes.

something's not right. Sherry, the. eldest daughter. It also seems like Ruby. and Jod are having intimate relations. So to continue off that, was Jodie part. of their vlogs or No. Once she gets in. there, they would still host these. connections group counseling sessions, but they would be in separate rooms. It. became a thing where nobody was allowed. to say that Jod was living with them. Oh, so they are vlogging. They're. filming videos, less family vlogs. Oh,

okay. And no, so so Jod was not public. until this case broke out. It's like she. would mention Jodie here and there and. then they would have these connections. videos together, but it almost morphed. out of Ruby's YouTube career. After Ruby. gets somewhat cancelled online, she. starts changing up the channel and. focusing more on parenting advice. A lot. of her original viewership drops off and. then she goes just fullon connections. with Jod. But nobody knew that Jod had. lived with the Frankies. Connection is.

the the program that they created. So. Jodie Hildebrand created a counseling. company called Connections and she was. in the process of training 10 different. women to become mental fitness trainers. that would work underneath her. It was. basically a cult. in my opinion. In part three this. episode, we will go through everyone in. the Frankie house moving out except the. four youngest children. Ruby and Jod. moving back into Jod's isolated $5. million mansion. both of them teaming up.

to try and run a podcast empire and. Ruby's journals that detail what was. happening inside the house in the. basement. In the next part, part four, we'll go over the arrest, the evidence, the jail house calls, and the. conspiracies. So, with that being said, there's going to be graphic descriptions. of torture, food restriction, CA, CSA, religious abuse, therapy abuse, neglect, and details of injuries. So, with that. being said, let's get started. There's a. children's book series called Charlie. Bumper. It's about this little boy, Charlie, that just keeps getting himself. into comical situations that probably a.

lot of kids can relate to, but. dramatized to make a whole children's. book series. It's wholesome. One book is. about how much he loves candy and. trick-or-treating, and he loves. Halloween, but then he's so terrified of. Charlie is so scared of scary movies, which is what all of his friends want to. watch during the sleepover. And the. whole question in Charlie Bumper's mind. is, "How am I going to survive?". They're cute books that nobody ever. really talks about unless your family. vlogger YouTuber Ruby Frankie. She posts. on Instagram a picture of her young son.

R and she captions it. The caption. reads, "When school started, my son read. the Charlie Bumper series and I began. noticing sassy words and entitled. attitudes." So, I read a few pages of. the books and came across the exact. behaviors in the book characters. In. January, I did a thorough cleaning of. books endorsing sassy, indignant. behaviors and replaced. them. At this point, nizens, viewers of. Ruby Frankie are not even surprised. Before this, like I said, Ruby Frankie.

was this successful family vlogger with. a few million followers, and people. would stay tuned to watch her and her. husband Kevin raise their six kids. together. At that point, the family was. known for being relatively strict cuz. they are from a conservative LDS faith. household. But now she's just fully gone. off the deep end. What do you mean. you're trying to cancel Charlie Bumper? Like this is crazy business you're. talking about. What's happening? She. would even give an interview with the. rap where she tells them because of the. people on the internet, CPS had to come.

and investigate her household because. her son didn't have a bed. Her son was. sleeping on a bean bag for 9 months. and. she says, quote, "You get more of a. negative reaction when you talk about. holding children responsible than if you. would if you talked about religion or. politics. It's so triggering. People. don't want to hear it. Why is that?" I. remember that morning very well. When. the CPS workers came to Ruby's home, she. said, "Those officers, you know, there. were these two ladies." She said, "The. CPS workers observed her for a few.

hours, interviewed all of the Rangi. kids. When they were done, not only did. they not file charges, but Ruby claims. to the rap. They were so impressed with. my parenting skills, before leaving, they asked for child rearing tips. They. both said they were going to go home and. make some changes on how they were. parenting. That's crazy. She says it's the audience's fault. In a. video, she aggressively states, "Now, I. am very aware of people online who hate.

me, who would like to cancel me, who. would like to see me um either burn in. hell as I have told or um disappear off. the face of the earth. And I'm not going. anywhere.". After doubling down, Ruby Frankie just. gives away her YouTube channel. So after. she just digs her feet into the sand, she's like, "You know what? I'm going to. give away my entire channel that I have. made my entire life focused around not. even the kids." Like she has been. neglecting the kids for family vlogging.

5 days a week. And now she's giving it. she's going to hand the entire YouTube. business over to Jodie Hildebrand, her. new life. coach. She had hired Jod to help Chad. And Jod's the one that was like, "You. got to send him to the wilderness camp. You got to take away his bed. You got to. take away his bedroom. make his life. miserable. And now she's giving her. YouTube channel to Jodie Hilderbrandt to. the point where Kevin and Ruby's YouTube. manager, they start freaking out like, "This is a red flag. This is getting. weird." But Ruby would snap at them.

This is not about money. This is about. God's soul. We're no longer going to be. spending our time on useless things like. family vlogging. We are ready for God's. calling. We're here to spread the. message. She would tell her viewers. while sitting on a couch right next to. Jodie. You wonder where I've been on my. vlogs? to save my. kids no amount of money. And and I'm. telling you, I was. making millions. Jod puts her hand on. Ruby's thigh, rubbing it as comfort, and.

I left it because my kids were being. hurt with entitlement. They were being. hurt with people's advice. And they. didn't have a mother up the front. saying, "I don't care what the world's. opinion is. This is the truth." And this. is where I stand. This is the beginning. of Ruby Frankie going head first into. connections, the life coaching business. with Jodie Hilda Brandt. Instead of. vlogs, Ruby starts focusing solely on. connections tip videos. In one clip,

Ruby straight up tells her new audience, "Jod and I are teachers. We are teaching. you principles of truth." So, if you are. here to learn how to resolve your own. conflicts in your life using principles, you're in the right place. If you're. here to offer feedback that's not based. in principle, but that is based in your. own history being politically correct, you know, according to you as you. interpret. If this is opinion, this is. not the place for you. This is a place. where you come to learn principles and. then practice inserting principles into.

your conflicts, into your life, and into. your. situation. From there, Ruby's former. YouTube followers are just watching her. spiral. First, Ruby starts off by saying. there's no such thing as having a. disorder that robs you of your agency. ever. She says anxiety is a choice. Depression is a choice. Then the video. cuts to Jodie and it's like a recorded. Zoom meeting for connections. And Jod,

for some godforsaken reason, is wearing. a pair of oversized sunglasses like. she's coming to class hung over, but. she's loud and she's wearing a bright. pink shirt that does not work in her. color theory in my opinion. And the. computer camera angle is just like way. too high. I feel like I'm watching CCTV. footage. So, I don't know where she gets. the confidence from, but she says, "I'm. trying to be really clear with you that. your child is not ADHD. They are a soul. that needs to learn how to manage their. physiology, which is like, who is she.

talking to? Whoever. I think she's like. trying to give a teaching. They're just. yapping. Jod then reads a question asked. by a viewer during the video meeting. Does that include children with. intellectual disabilities or who have. physical um brain damage? So, I want to. bring up the story that all of us know. about Helen Keller. The reason we know. about Helen Keller is because there was. a woman by the name of Annie Sullivan. who did not tolerate Helen Keller's. distortions. Now Helen Keller was.

disabled and back then she was very. disabled. And the reason we don't know. about other people who were disabled. back then is because probably they were. all enabled to say they're disabled. And then she rambles on about how she. does not care how disabled someone. looks, which I don't even Watching clips. of Ruby, Kevin, and Jod talk about. connections has fried off about half of. my brain cells, and I think I would like. to wage a lawsuit. In one clip, Ruby is. sitting there all miked up. Truth. They. love the word truth with a capital T.

Truth. Well, it's a term. It's a phrase. that everybody assumes. They know what. it means, and it is used. I mean, I've. heard from parenting magazines to blogs. You've seen it on all kinds of media. And what exactly is it? Ruby, it's a. word that has a relatively simple. definition if used correctly. In another. clip, Ruby is answering a question from. a viewer. The question is, well, that. they have a transgender nephew. And this. is a demented question, but the question. is, should we continue to spend time.

with my sister and her family because. she now has a transgender son. Should we. see them less or even completely cut. them out of our lives? I'm sorry. Unless. your nephew also has a propensity for. killing people with an axe on the. weekends. What the hell kind of question. is that? You're seriously asking if you. should cut off your entire family. because your nephew is. trans. Like it startles me when evil. people are scared of everyone and. everything. And I'm like, you're the. scary one. You're the scariest person in. the room. I don't know why you're scared. of innocent people. But Ruby responds,

it's like, have you taken a bucket of. sugar? Um, I took a 5 gallon bucket of. sugar. And I had some leftover, like a. cup of leftover salt. I thought it was. sugar, but it was salt. And I poured it. into the bucket of sugar. I realized it. when I made some rolls, and they were. rock hard. Rock hard. And my kids. started eating them. They're like, "Oh, this is the worst batch of rolls you've. ever made." Which perplexes Ruby to go. and check her gallon of sugar. She. realizes that the cup she poured in must.

have been salt. So she takes off two. scoops, two inches off the top of the. sugar, thinking, "Oh, well, I just. poured it in, so I must have gotten all. the salt out." But she continues that. she continued to use the sugar and it. was still salty. And she thought, "What. the heck?" So then she got all the way. down to the very bottom of the 5gallon. bucket down there and it was salty. So. she's like, "How did that happen?" She. says, quote, "I didn't realize this, but. salt is heavier than sugar and so you. just have to pour it in. You don't even. have to stir it. It infiltrates all the. sugar." There wasn't one spot in that.

sugar bucket where I could taste sweet. because it was contaminated with the. salt. So here's the. principle. Mom, dad, you are responsible. for yourself for keeping truth around. you and your child. And children, they. don't have the discernment that you as a. parent have. They don't have that. It is. your job to teach them truth. And so if. you allow other. um other uh distortions, if you allow.

other influences to come, even if it's. like, hey, it's just one day or hey, it's just an hour here, it will. infiltrate the entire person because. here's the truth. These are principles. The truth is I am a soul. I am a being. and my experiences will will encompass. my whole self. You know this you can.

have a fiveinut exchange and it will. affect you the rest of your life. She is. comparing trans people as salt that's. contaminating buckets of sugar. I don't. even know what that story means. And the fact that she's like connecting. it and making us making it sound like. she say something worth saying and it's. just transphobia and vile. Yeah. And. then made zero sense like zero at all.

That's so dumb. Yeah. In another clip. she asks the ingenious question of you. end up pregnant then you had sex first. or if you were pregnant you were taken. advantage of and what did you do to put. yourself in the situation where you're. being taken advantage of? basically. saying, "If you were being taken. advantage of, why were you taken. advantage of? It's your fault." In. connections, mental illness does not. exist. Which is crazy coming from two of. the more mentally ill people I've. researched recently. But according to. Jodie, you can be addicted to mirrors.

So maybe they're scared of mirrors. Maybe that's why there's no. self-reflection being done here. Ruby. talks about how one of her kids she. believes has ADHD, but she says there is. no such thing as ADHD. There is no ADHD, just extreme irresponsibility. And she. was choosing to be extremely. irresponsible, super manipulative. And I. didn't see it because she's very sweet. She doesn't um yell, she doesn't pinch. or hit. She doesn't She's not. destructive, like on the outward side.

She when I call her, she comes running. always with a smile. And so it was. hidden from me for a very long time. And. And it's just that she's learned how to. manipulate. She has a very effective. veneer. Yeah. And as we've been holding. her accountable, it's become very. apparent to us there's there's no. attention deficit. She has agency to. choose to be attentive if she wants to. There is no power. There is no deficit. There's no personality. There's no um. disorder. There's no that that can take.

your agency from you. None. There's no. such thing as having a disorder that. robs you of your agency ever. Netzens from pretty much everywhere that. have been following the Frankie family. for a while are freaking out because. Ruby has finally got off the deep end. They're commenting, "The things these. women are saying are nonsensical. They. throw around buzzwords like truth and. distortion in a rambling word salad, and. they never really end up saying anything. at all. It's all very strange and a bit. creepy. Definitely stay far away from.

these people." Another reads, "If you. listen to their advice, you will likely. lose relationships with family members. And when your kids are on their own, they will likely stop talking to you. because Ruby and Jod are controlling and. mean-spirited." People start getting. worried for Ruby Frankie six kids, but. even more so now. Neighbors, they see. Ruby outside in her front yard. Most. likely, they've seen the Alarming. Connections videos or 10 of them. And. they're waving, "Hi." Hey, Ruby, did. Kevin and Chad leave? Where did they go?

Oh, we never see them. We never see. their cars anymore. The neighbor says. Ruby just turns to them and bluntly. states, "Every marriage should have a. separation. Could be a year, could be 5. years." The neighbor said it was very. weird. Everything begins to spiral after. Jod moves in to help with her haunted. possessions. Quickly after, Sherry moves. out. The eldest daughter moves out, also. the author of the book that you should. get. She moves to college, BYU. Chad is. kicked out for viewing explicit. materials. He's 17 when he's kicked out.

He's kicked out with no support. He has. to fend for himself. He has to get a. job. He has to walk a mile to school. A. neighbor even offered to purchase him a. car because they felt so bad and he said. no because it's all about learning. discipline. He's 17 when they kick him. out. No support. And Ruby was so mad at. Chad for viewing explicit material. She. believed that Chad was the reason that. Jod kept having demonic possessions. because he was inviting evil into their. home by watching explicit videos. Chad.

is kicked out around the same time that. Kevin, the dad, is also kicked out. So, at first, Kevin was the resident. exorcist. That's what he called himself. He was helping Jody get rid of the. spirits. He says, "Yeah, I'm fighting. evil spirits. I'm casting demons out.". Crazy stuff was going on. Now, side note. about the whole possession. Kevin says, "You know, I am a smart guy. I'm an. engineer. I'm designed to help build. some really big stuff. I'm a college. professor. I can't explain some of the. stuff that. happened. So, it seems like he truly.

believed it, which is crazy. But slowly. after Ruby moves upstairs to sleep in. the same bed with Jod in Sherry's. bedroom, they start pulling away from. Kevin and they start kind of signaling. him out of the connections groups. They're pushing him out. Initially, Ruby. demanded an in-home separation from. Kevin. Very reminiscent of what Jodie. had Adam Paul Steed go through in part. two, the last part. Separation but. living together. Kevin said it was so. hard. There were all these rules now. placed on me. I could leave when I.

wanted, but I couldn't come back home. until Ruby gave me permission. I. couldn't come into the kitchen to eat. until Ruby gave me permission. And the. upstairs where Jod roamed, completely. off limits. I couldn't go upstairs. anymore in my own house. And Ruby would. dictate all the terms on how our. interactions would be and when we would. talk. Ruby even started telling Kevin. that he was sick in the head because he. enjoyed hugging his young. daughters. July 20th, 2022, Kevin is. officially kicked out. He says he came. home from work one day and he says,

quote, "When I came in the door, Ruby. was really intense and she just bluntly. said, "Our marriage is in serious. jeopardy because of you, Kevin. because. of your selfishness, because of you and. your lustful thoughts and behaviors that. you have been hiding. I'm trying to rise. up to the measure that God wants me to. be and to do the work that he wants for. me to do. And you keep holding me and. Jod back. I want you to leave the house. I want you to do it immediately. I don't. want you to have any contact with me or. the children. And so Kevin, he says, one. by one, I had the kids sit down and I.

told them, I'm going to go away for a. while and I'm going to go work on myself. so that I can come back to the family. and be the dad that you deserve. Kevin says it was really hard. The kids. were reacting emotionally, but Ruby was. just standing there watching. He says, quote, "I remember as I was holding my. youngest and just crying. She was. crying. Ruby was taking pictures with. her phone and she had this smirk on her. face. I don't know what she was. thinking, but it just looked like, "Oh, this is such good content." Good. content. Yeah. I don't think she was.

posting it, but I don't know if she. wanted to later. Now, Kevin, the. husband, the father, is gone. Sherry, the eldest, is off to college. She's. coming in as often as possible to check. on her siblings, but Ruby's not really. allowing her to check on them. Chad, the. second eldest, has been kicked out. Now, it's just Ruby and Jodie and the four. minor children. So the two girls are. they're teenagers 14 and 15. Then you. have the two youngest ones R the little.

boy that is 11 and then E the youngest. the little girl who is nine. When. everyone is gone it's like the two. youngest children become the issue. They. become the scapegoat. So in part two we. talked about how Chad was the scapegoat. It seems like they become the scapegoat. Ruby believes that the children are now. the devil reincarnated. They have the. demons in them. This is how quickly. things start spiraling and you can see a. connection between Ruby and Jod's. extremism on the connections podcast and. counseling videos and what was happening.

behind closed doors. So, this is what I. thought I was like going through it and. I there are the connections podcasts. that are posted on Spotify from any I. mean they're all throughout 2023 until. the arrest but primarily there's many. episodes in July and August. Ruby had. daytoday journals where she detailed how. she would torture her two kids in July. up to the August 30th the arrest. So I. was trying to see like are are they.

talking about the same things that. they're doing behind the scenes because. when I'm listening to the connections. podcast I can see how it's getting a lot. more extreme than her initial heavy. extreme parenting views. It's just. upping the auntie in every single. episode. But I'm trying to see for next. time if anything like this ever were to. happen again, God forbid, is there any. way we could have seen in the podcast. anything more that was happening. Mhm. Did you? I guess we'll see. Now, Sherry. from the get- go is the only adult,

barely adult in this situation that's. alarmed by Jod and what Ruby is doing. with her. She's in college now. Like I. said, she's no longer living at home. and her dad is telling her that not only. is he moving out of the family home, he's got to go work on himself and he's. not going to talk to any of the kids for. like the next year. Sherry says, "I got. a call from Kevin. He says, "Your mother. has invited me to leave the house and. I'm going to ask that you don't talk to. me or Chad." At this point, I was like, "This is absolutely crazy." And I think. I responded and said, "You know, I'm. confused and like I wish you the best,

but like I was worried about the kids. now that are at home." Kevin says he. can't risk it. He can't risk even. talking to his kids. He says, quote, "Going into the no contact separation, I. was terrified that I was going to lose. my marriage. That Ruby was going to ask. for a divorce. I was 100% compliant by. that point. I was going to support her. over all my children. Period. And. somehow, I had to convince Jod that I. was ready to go back to Ruby." Kevin's. just out here waiting for Ruby to call. him, take him back. Meanwhile, he's. still doing group therapy with Jod. Side.

note, Chad is also out living alone at. 17 years old, but still paying $900 from. his own funds to get therapy from Jod. Kevin would later say he was paying her. more than he was paying in rent, like. three times as much. What? Working as a. lifeguard. Had a phone call yesterday. with my therapist and she taught me. about truth and distortion. Mom probably. talks about Jod all the time, but I've. mentioned Jod a few times. She has a. podcast called Connections with an X.

Anyway, what what did you learn? Well, I. learned about the three different types. of pain. So, me deciding that my stomach. ache was Chad's fault was not seeing. things in truth, right? But I really, really want to blame him because I just. want to be able to eat my desserts again. and Oreo cookies with without stomach. aches. And so then send me off to. another wilderness camp again. Kevin.

would later say that Chad probably felt. the same way he felt, which is he wants. to do the best that he can to make Ruby. and Jod proud. That's all he cares. about, which Chad is so understandable. He's a victim in this. But Kevin, does. he really need to cut off his entire. family? Sherry remembers feeling hurt. that each time she tried to reach out to. him, he just ignored her. She remembers. after a month, I texted Kevin from. college just saying, "I love you. I miss. you." I saw that he hearted the message. and then a minute later, he unhearded.

it. I was just like, "What are you. doing? Like, pull your head out of your. ass and like, come back." And I think I. got blocked after that, so I stopped. sending text messages. This was made. even more uncomfortable by the fact that. Kevin works at BYU and Sherry is a. student at BYU. They actually ran into. each other once. Sherry says, "Our eyes. logged for a split second. He looked. like hell warmed over. Then he shot me a. strained fake smile, darted his gaze. away, walking faster like he couldn't. get away from me quick enough." Not a. single word, just this pathetic little.

grimace. She says, "I wanted to run. after him, grab him by the shoulders, and yell in his face. Are you blind? Where are your kids? Don't you care? But. I just stood there frozen. Even. neighbors and online internet users, nizens were seeing the concern shift of. Ruby online and in person. And they knew. that Kevin was no longer in the house. There was like a whole forum online. discussing, "Wait, I think Kevin moved. out." The internet was never really told. or informed or kept in the loop, but it.

just seemed like a whole thing. There. were rumors circulating. One neighbor. says, "I think if anything, we hoped. that Kevin would come home and either. remedy the situation or get those kids. away from what we felt was a dangerous. situation." One neighbor texts Kevin, "Hey man, you have four cops outside. your house, FYI. Hope things are okay. What's going on?" Cuz a lot of the times. neighbors and Sherry would continuously. call CPS, but they would do nothing. Wow. Another would text, "Kevin, you. can't abandon your kids." The neighbors. would get blocked by Kevin. Yes. Episode.

237 of the Connections podcast with Ruby. Frankie. Date July 12th, 2023, 49 days. before rescue. Title: Preserve the. Relationship. Hello everyone. I'm your. host, Ruby Frankie. Welcome to another. episode of The Connections Podcast, where we help you create joy in your. life and relationships. How many of you. are listening have adult children? Or. maybe you're a parent who knows your. child is doing something that is in. congruent with the values that your.

child has been taught. But when they. come home, when you come together, no. one acknowledges that they actually know. what's going on. So there's this. elephant in the room and nobody wants to. talk about that elephant in the room. Why? Because, and here's the distortion, because I want to preserve the. relationship. I've heard that so many. times. So this today is woman's. question. She said, 'You know, my kids. are posting lies on Facebook, and then. they come over and act all loving like. we don't know what's going on. I would. ask this mother, are you not acting as.

if nothing's going on? What have you. done to bring up this with your child? Have you sat your child down at the. dinner table? I mean, I can see it. What. is child posting again? You said lies on. Facebook. Okay, whatever that means. Here's what I would do. Confrontation is. necessary, and you can do it in a loving. way. You don't have to do it in a. fingerpointing way, but you can have. your family over, get some baked. potatoes going, grab everyone, you know, a cup of grape juice in their cups, and. you pull up your phone, and you say, "I.

see you posted this on Facebook. Will. you help me understand why you posted. this?" Everyone wants connection. Everyone wants to know they have a. friend. Everyone wants to have family. Everyone wants to have a safe space. where they can go. Everyone wants. someone who is understanding of their. choice. Everyone wants someone who is. understanding of their hurt. Everybody. This is universal. I don't. care where you live. I don't care how. much money you make. I don't care how um. distorted you are or how truthful you. are. Everybody wants this. It is a.

universal need. We are humans. We are. vulnerable. This is a need. But you have. to stand up and say, "This isn't a. relationship, and I'm not going to. pretend like it's being preserved." Do. you like what you're hearing so far? Make sure you never miss an episode by. subscribing to our show. I'm your host, Ruby Frankie, and thanks for listening. Sherry thinks this whole thing is. getting out of control. Why is everyone. in the family getting kicked out of the. family home while Jod gets to march in. here, take Sherry's room, make all the. decisions? Sherry says, "I remember. looking up Jod just to see, you know,

who she was. And I learned that she's. not a psychologist, even though she's. always claimed to be one. Just from. reviews online, I read that she had. destroyed families. She was on probation. with her license. She wasn't even. married. Her kids didn't even talk to. her, and I remember being like, "Why are. we working with this woman?" Side note, Ruby forced Sherry to do sessions with. Jod before Sherry moved out. The. sessions were insane. Sherry would talk. to Jodie about how she struggles with. low self-esteem and self-hatred, but Jod. would tell her, "No, you struggle with.

thinking you're better than everyone.". And Sherry's like, "Actually, that's the. opposite of how I feel." And then Jod's. like, "No, nope." She forces Sherry to. write down any minute time that she. feels superior to anyone. Things like, quote, "Felt proud of my extensive. vocabulary during a presentation." Does. this not remind you of Jesse Helder. Brand from part two? Write down every. sin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's not. thinking she's better than anyone. Being. proud of your extensive vocabulary is. not thinking you're superior. That's.

just called being proud of yourself. It's a healthy emotion. Jod tells her, quote, "Very good, Sherry. So, let's say. you assume that you're going to ace a. test because of course you think you're. so very clever. Change the language in. your mind. Flip it. Think to yourself, "Oh my gosh, I'm going to fail this test. because I'm a very stupid little girl.". Be humble, Sherry. You are far less. clever than you think you are. Wow. Sherry confronts Ruby. Mom, Jod's. therapist license was revoked for what. she's done. Ruby just stares at her.

You're trying to sabotage everyone's. success. You don't like Jod and anyone. who doesn't like Jod is hiding. something. It means that you're. threatened by the truth that she. speaks. Her license was suspended. Her. own kids don't talk to her. Her kids. can't handle the truth. She has been. called by God to help people. Now, because Sherry keeps trying to reach out. to Chad and Kevin, who refuse to talk to. her, she keeps trying to talk some sense. into Ruby. Things between Ruby and. Sherry start getting really tense to the. point where Sherry needs to go pick up a.

car title. She has to bring a close. family friend with her, an adult family. friend named Mrs. Haymond, whom Sher. will later start calling mom. She later. starts calling Mr. Haymon dad as well. And they open their home to Sherry. whenever things got really bad in the. Frankie house. She brings Mrs. Haymon. for emotional support. What's their uh. relationship? They're like church family friends, I. believe, and they very much disagree. with everything Ruby Frankie and Jodie. Hilderbrand are doing. They drive up to. get the car title. Ruby opens the door. She steps out and she's scathing.

Sherry, you're causing a lot of damage. to the family and you've shown that you. don't want to be part of our family and. you have been very active in deceiving. and creating chaos, pain, and. destruction. The outcomes are. devastating to your siblings, and I feel. great grief and loss at your. choices. It has come to my attention. that you called me abusive. Wow, Sherry, that word is heavily loaded with. intimidation. It's hurtful you would use. that word knowing the pain that this lie. has caused. I will keep you in my. prayers. You appear to be a very lost. soul. Ruby looks at her, practically.

spitting in her face now. Just spit. flying out of her mouth. You've always. hated me ever since you were 5 years. old. I could see it in your eyes. The. way you looked at me, the way you judged. me. You've never appreciated anything. I've done for you. All the sacrifices. I've made. Sherry tells her, "That's not. true. I never hated you. I was just. scared of you." But Ruby is not letting. down. She says, "You're like the Romans. in the Bible, feeding me vinegar when. I'm dying of thirst, crucifying me for. your own selfish gains." Mrs. Tund who. Sherry brought along for emotional.

support says Sherry had tears. She was. shaking. I mean I had tears streaming. down my face and the only person that. had no emotion was Ruby. She was stone. cold. Zero emotion. Only anger and. animosity and defense. I did not know. how a woman who gave birth could sit. there like that and listen to their. daughter weep and beg. It was horrible. I had to get Sherry out of there. After. that, Mrs. Haymon grabs the documents. from Ruby and they walk back to the car. where she states, "Sherry just melted. just fell apart. She was still shaking. She was just looking through her phone,

looking and looking. And she just said, she was showing pictures. This is my. mom. This is my mom. This is who I know. my mom to be. That was not my mom. And. it seems that Ruby had literally come to. see evil in everyone around her. And now. the only people left in that house are. the four young children. As for how a. mother can so easily say things like. that to their own children, this might. provide insight. In another connections. video with Jodie, Rudy is sitting on the. couch looking like I mean honestly they. look like two moms who came to a potluck.

with some nasty casserole and she says. about telling people that her kids are. never going to talk to her. She tells. them you know these people they push. back and say whoa that's mean. You're. not going to uh be loved. Your children. are going to kick you out of their their. lives. So when people say well if you do. that then your child's not going to. trust you. If you do that then your. child's not going to love you. Well, exactly. I'm just revealing that my. child is refusing to love. unconditionally. I don't want anyone in. my life who's not going to be loving. So, if my child will only love me if I.

give them what they want, then that's. that's not really love. So, this this. takes a very strong soul because most of. us are not even willing to consider not. having our children in our lives. And I. hope that you'll reconsider. So once everybody is effectively kicked. out except for the four youngest. children, the two youngest teenagers, 14. and 15 years old, the teenage girls, they're mostly left in the Frankie. family house where all the vlogging had. occurred. They're left there. The two.

youngest are the little boy who's 11 and. E, the youngest daughter who's nine. Ruby and Jod, they keep taking them to. Jodie Hildebrand's isolated home in the. Red Red Rock Mountain areas. Why is. that? What are they doing in there? They. believe that the two youngest have the. devil in them and they need the devil. tortured out. And that's when they start. enacting torture. That includes. starvation until they are nothing but. skin and bones. Ours's eventual shoulder. blades are just looking like they're.

going to pierce through his skin. They. torture the kids, forcing them to. develop sores, blisters, wounds. The. wounds go so deep that you can see the. tissue and muscles. Ruby and Jod would. directly pour cayenne pepper and honey. into them to cleanse the devil out. They. were beaten, tortured. They did not get. access to water. They were forced to run. into a cactus over and over. They were. exposed to extreme heat. They were hog. tied. They were forced under so much. duress that they were defecating.

themselves. Water was restricted to the. point where the kids were quote stealing. water from the hose, which they would. get punished for. And all of this is. logged in Ruby's journal where she. details how she's trying to get the. demons out of her youngest children. And. this is all happening mainly in the. basement that is Jod's Twitter chamber. in her $5 million mansion. And while. that's happening, they're still posting. on their Connections podcast giving. parenting advice to their moms. And the. episodes get increasingly more.

alarming. Episode 238 of the Connections. podcast hosted by Ruby Frankie. Date. July 22nd, 2023. 39 days before rescue. Episode title, Parable of the Pineapple. Hello everyone. I'm your host, Ruby. Frankie. The story I'm going to share. with you has been a part of my life for. many, many years, and I'm going to share. it with you today. It's called The. Parable of the Pineapple. This is a. parable of love, of repentance, of. compassion. All those words go together. Did you know that they're synonymous?

So, when I was a young mom, my oldest. was about six, my son Chad was about. four. Then I had this 2-year-old and I. was about to have another baby. I was. pregnant. I was really tired. It was the. afternoon and I needed to lay down and. put my feet up for an hour. The kids had. a movie on and I said, "I'm going to lay. down upstairs. Don't move from the. couch. You have your blanket. You've. gone to the bathroom. The doors are. locked and bolted. I'm going to just lay. down." And they were full. They were. emptied. So, I thought everything's. good. I said, "Do not under any. circumstances go into the kitchen. Do. not go into the kitchen. You stay right. here and you watch this movie for an.

hour." I went upstairs, laid down, and. an hour later, I came down and the movie. was still going. They're cuddled in. their blankets, and I thought, "Oh, good. They did what they were told." I. was so glad. So, I went into the kitchen. to prepare for some food. I walked in. and my feet, they stuck. I'm like, "My. foot is stuck to the floor." As I lifted. my little foot off the floor. I could. hear the stickiness. I could hear it. with my ears. I thought, "Oh my god, what is on this floor?" I knelt down. I. smelt it. This is pineapple juice. What. in the world? How did pineapple juice. get on the floor? So, I called my kids. over. They said, "No, no, no. We don't. know why the floor is sticky. there is.

something going on, you know. And I. said, "Well, one of you or both of you. know something and you're not telling. me." Then my son showed me the fridge. where there was a Tupperware of. pineapple with some juice in it. He said. he went into the kitchen to eat. pineapple, spilled it, it got. everywhere, but he hurried and cleaned. it. He showed me how he got the paper. towels and cleaned it. And I looked at. him and I said, "That's dishonest." So I. proceeded to tell him the truth. And. here's why he's being dishonest. Because. his confession came as I was pulling it. out of him. Honesty doesn't require. anyone on the other side pulling the.

facts out of you. Honesty is I'm going. to present myself without any force. behind me. It's going to be my drive by. internal motivation to be connected with. God. You cannot manipulate someone into. being honest. You cannot manipulate. someone into being truthful. So I, 9. months pregnant, cleaned the kitchen. with my son for hours that day. I said, "Look, you have your mother who is about. to give birth on her hands and knees. cleaning up the mess when she should. have been resting in bed. And instead, I'm on all fours cleaning up now, something that you did and lied about.".

My motive was to invite my child to have. empathy, to have love, and to have a. desire to repent. It took him 10 seconds. to pop a lid off the pineapple bucket. That took 10 seconds. Took us 4 hours to. clean up off the floor. There will be. people who say, "That's mean. That's. over the top. My goodness, that's a bit. harsh." Maybe, just maybe, if I make. this a visceral experience, he will. remember this and he will take it with. him when he's older. Maybe when he's. older and he's with a young woman and he. wants to take something from.

her. Is she talking about essay? He will. remember, oh, I remember how sticky and. how much work it was to clean up after. taking something I shouldn't have. I. don't want to do that. The parable of. the pineapple is when someone has done. something selfish. I'm gonna intervene. as the mother and reflect the truth. I'm. your host, Ruby Frankie, and thanks for. listening. Ruby's journal entry reads, "R turns 12 tomorrow. I never envisioned. him being 12, still peeing and pooping.

himself. Satanic choices lead one to. becoming destitute, even in the most. affluent homes. It's R's birthday, and. he doesn't even know what month it is. E. and R have been in so much deviant. behavior, they cannot control their. bodily functions. They are both furious. that their selfish, sinful lifestyle is. being intervened upon. I told R he. emulates a snake. He slithers and sneaks. around looking for opportunities when no. one is watching and then he screes. If. he wants to emulate the savior, he needs. to be 100% obedient with exactness. No.

wandering, no. hiding. She talks about how she tells. her kids that they need to fast and pray. to God, which is basically her just. starving them. She writes, "E still. likes to think she can manipulate me. I. gave her a pixie haircut. All her long. hair is gone. No more distracting with. hair. R told me that he would rather. have a glass of water than me as a. mother." R is defiant again. He pooped. his pants and is telling me no. His poop. is too watery to be fasting. R admits to. stealing water three times yesterday. R.

lies and feels no remorse. R's feet are. swollen from standing. He is angry that. nobody cares. I told him he is acting. like a man having a heart attack and. gets his feelings hurt because nobody. cares about the sliver in his finger. When your soul is dying, nobody cares. about your. feet. She writes that her youngest. 9-year-old daughter is delusional and. has made no progress and continues to. lie and manipulate. She says, quote, "Last night her screaming and trance.

headbanging." So, in desperation, the. little girl would bang her head on the. floor. She writes, "They were evidence of no. change. They also would put E in the. closet, which is reminiscent of what. Jodie Hildebrandt did to her niece, Jesse Hildebrandt, and E would scream. much of the day. She was not allowed to. have water. She was not allowed to have. food, just like her older brother." And. um Ruby writes, "One day, Jod woke up. from a dream. God lets her know we have. done everything we can to get E. attention. Lord tells her, don't.

continue these physical interventions. They only bring resentment. E is angry. about her feet. we dress her wounds and. leave her to me. She also writes that. her kids um are fighting back in like. and I say that with like they're they. have good spirits. I don't know how else. to describe it. So R would tell the. mother like I would rather have a glass. of water than you as a mother. And E. would say my mom stars me and calls it. fasting. My mom won't lift a finger and. bring me food because all she does is.

lie on the bed and eat brownies. My mom. says she is the most loving mom in the. world. blah blah blah. If I can't ever. go home, then what's the point in being. obedient? I'm going to run away. When was that shared? This was in July. They Oh. Oh. In the journal that Ruby is. writing, Ruby continues to write that the devil. is in both of her kids and they need. harsher punishments. She writes, "I. doused her with the dog wash." So, she. would bring E into the dog wash station. and douse her with water and then shave.

her hair. And she would write that E. would lay on the floor because she is so. distraught and R would defecate. himself. Ruby writes, "Oppositional. force is required for growth, development, maturity. E and R have. never experienced oppositional force. They are very. weak-minded." Episode 242 of the. Connections podcast hosted by Ruby. Frankie. Date August 19th, 2023, 11 days. before rescue. Episode title, Keeping.

Kids Safe in a Predatory Society. Hello. everyone. I'm your host, Ruby Frankie. When I was in the third grade, I had a. yellow lab. Her name was Sunny. This is. her dog. Sunny was a really well. rambunctious dog. She was a puppy at the. time. In May for school, we were told. that we could bring our animals for show. and tell outside. And I was so excited. because I knew I had this new puppy, this dog. And that day there were. animals all over the place. We had. birds, there were gerbles, there was a. hamster, I think someone brought a. turtle, there was a fishbowl. And I. brought my dog and someone brought their. rabbit. Then, yeah, well, can you see. where this is going? I was disconnected.

because I wasn't thinking about how my. dog being let loose was going to affect. the other animals in the playyard. I'm. also thinking that the teachers were. probably disconnected and in distortion. because either they didn't give me the. instruction or I wasn't even paying. enough attention. Well, what do you. think happened? This dog, this was like. heyday. It was like my dog was like, "Thank you, Ruby. This is the best day. of my life." Animals naturally know who. their predators are. When the rabbit saw. my dog bounding for it, it did not roll. over dead. The rabbit had some sense. It.

didn't want to run to the jaws of its. predator. The animals that don't protect. themselves get killed off. They go. extinct. But the human, as far as I. know, is the only creature who actually. goes and flirts with their predators. We. flirt with those things and entities and. beliefs that will kill our soul. We. don't even know we're being ravaged. We. don't even know we're being hurt. We're. like, "Yeah, I'm being hurt, but I don't. care. I'm going to do it anyway." What. I'm saying is that when you show up in. your child's life in a dishonest way, it. doesn't matter where, it doesn't matter. how or when, but you are giving your.

child instruction on how to move toward. a predator and jump into the predator's. arms and not tell you about it. Children. need love, and you can't do it when you. are moving towards your predator. Explicit materials, gambling, sex. trafficking, lying, the selfishness, the. idea that I am what I feel, the idea. that I get to do what I want because I. want to, those are lies that kill our. soul. I'll never forget that show and. tell. Except I did forget the ending. I'm your host, Ruby Frankie. Thanks for. listening. Ruby's journal entry reads,

"These wicked spirits in ENR have been. pals long before this life. How Enanr. got to come and get a body can only be. explained in advocating for their. mother. This is not a conceited. statement. God knew I would take my. responsibility to mother seriously. Jod. teamed to help. These two souls are very. weak." Ruby writes that it was a big day. for Evil, that E was manipulating her. She says that E won't scream and cry. when Jod's around, but she will in front. of Ruby, that she'll scream and cry all. night long and hit her head on the tile. floor all night long. Now, side note,

this is very reminiscent of Jesse. Hilderbrand. They said that anytime they. showed any sort of sadness, it was seen. as manipulation. So when is showing that. she's so distraught from the trauma and. the torture, maybe it is to some degree. pulling at some heartstring deep down, but the fact that they call it. manipulation is so vile. Mhm. How can. you see that as manipulation? That is a. reaction to the crimes that you're. committing. She details how she'll get a.

cactus poker and poke the kids around. with the cactus poker, which is. basically just like a a stick with a. cactus on the other end. Like needles. Basically, you're Yes. stabbing the kid. Yes. With cactuses. She writes that R. doesn't even flinch. I poke him in the. neck. He is in a trance and doesn't. appear to feel anything. Jod slaps him. on the cheeks to wake him up. The devil. doesn't like when you get your subject. to anger to truth. I take my old mop. water. Go to R. I show R the water. Then.

I pour the water on R. It's hot outside. I say, "It feels good, doesn't it?" An. hour later, Jod takes R on a little walk. to the pool. Jod then pushes R into the. pool. R swam to the side. Jod pulled him. out. Feel good? Refreshing? Yes, ma'am. R cooled off and went back to his spot. I put my hands on his face. So, she. details how she keeps telling the kids. that she's doing this because she loves. them. And the saddest part is. authorities would later state to some. degree that the kids felt like they.

deserved this, that they were evil. So. it's like a mixture of extreme physical. and emotional and mental torture. non-stop. So I mean, not that excuses anything, right? But do you think Ruby truly. believes that's what she's doing? Like. try to beat the evil out of the kids or. That's debated amongst netizens or. online internet users, I guess. But some. people believe that she acted like she. believed it, but there's no way she deep.

down believed it. It seems like maybe. she had contempt for her kids already or. the fact that she was a mother. It's not. like the kids I think first of all if a. mother contemp shows contempt for her. kids that's not a mother but it's just. um is this an excuse or is this a belief. that she has it still doesn't excuse. anything. However, it is up for debate. M in one part of her journal, Ruby. writes, "R stole water. He's she says. he's stealing water cuz she's.

dehydrating him." He was angry and. looked like he wanted to fist up. I put. my hands on his shoulders and told him I. love him. I told him he has no idea what. he's doing, but I can help him. I told. him, "Give your demon friend a message. for me. I will not rest. I will not. stop. I will not leave. I will fight him. until the demon in you dies. I have the. power of God. I beat Satan. I. win. This is a big debate that Netzens. have. Did Jod and Ruby really believe.

that they were possessed by demons? These two kids. It, like I said, it. still doesn't excuse anything, but I. don't know if they did because another. thing that Netzens point out is um when. Jod said that she was possessed by Satan. and like the demons would enter her. body, she wasn't getting poked with a. cactus poker. She wasn't being starved. She was eating Dairy Queen on a daily. basis and just fried chicken and ranch. non-stop. She did not have to go through. any of this. Yeah. And it just seems.

like this is Jod's pattern from the get-. go. Jod was born into a really. conservative military household. Like. they ran it like a military. Jesse, Jod's niece, states that it was probably. pretty rough for Jodie Hildebrand. growing up. She was the second youngest. of seven children. She would spend more. time with animals than she would with. people. She said that she was raised by. goats. That's how Jodie describes it. When she was very young, she was. assaulted by a teenage neighbor kid.

This is when she was a few years old and. then later when she was around 7 years. old, she was assaulted again by another. teenager essay. And we can have sympathy. for Jod as a child, but as an adult, it. seems like her whole purpose is to ruin. people's lives. Jesse remembers hearing. a story from their family of Jod had an. issue with the teacher growing up. It's. like Jodie made it her life's mission to. ruin this teacher's entire career and. life. Eventually, Jod gets married, has.

two kids. She was married for about a. year and a half. She was actually. pregnant with her second child when the. divorce proceedings began. It was agreed. upon by people who knew Jod that the. divorce was dragged out for years. because Jod more or less wanted to. destroy her ex-husband through the legal. system and run this man into the ground. and tap dance on his ashes. Which sounds. like something Jod would do. Jesse, who. is cousins with Jod's kids, they say it. sucks because yes, we want to believe. woman. We want to believe abuse of. course and as a victim of abuse myself, I want to be believed of course and I.

don't know him, Jod's ex-husband. I. don't know him personally, but Jod's. daughter and I, we've kept in contact. over the years. She has a beautiful. relationship with her father. Loves him. to death. He loves her. He's so. supportive, so kind. Really helped her. through her own process. Meanwhile, she. has nothing to do with her mother. Jod. changed her name. Has no contact with. Jod. In fact, Jod's daughter told Jesse, "I cannot be around my mom. I can't ever. be around her again because if she told. me the sky was yellow, I would believe.

her.". She has this ability to just get in your. soul. It's horrifying. There's no real. way of explaining it to people. Unless. you've experienced it yourself or you've. experienced this level of abuse, there's. no way of understanding. it. Episode 237 of the Connections. podcast with Jodie Hildebrand. Date July. 15th, 2023. 46 days before rescue. Title: A Mother's Instinct to Protect. How can we wake up the women of the. world and get them back to their natural. instincts? Every animal in this world.

has protected instincts as mothers. The. women, the humans have lost their. motherly instincts to protect their. young. Women choose to hook up and be. sexual with males. Those men are also. men who have lost their fatherly. instincts because both the men and women. of this world are not being nurtured. They're not being taught the truth. They're not being truly loved. Here's. our question for the episode sent in by. a listener. Hello, I'm a single mother. of a 2-year-old boy. His dad was. physically and emotionally abusive to me. the whole pregnancy. and as expected, I'm traumatized for life. That's an.

interesting statement that she says. So, she made the decision to hook up with. this man. And she's been with him, you. know, for a period of time. I don't know. how long. And now she's saying, "I'm. traumatized." So, you've been quote. unquote traumatized for life. And you're. wondering if you should place an. innocent, naive, defenseless, dependent. child around someone who has abused a. full-grown adult. Now, just think about. that for a minute. Why are you asking me. that? How come you don't know the answer. to that? And I really am sincere. The. only person in this situation that has. power is you. Your son doesn't have.

power because he's too because you're. the actual issue here, not your son and. not this man. This is Jod, right? Mhm. Are you a woman that thinks through your. decisions? Are you a woman concerned. about being in a relationship with a man. like you have a man in your life right. now? Now you have a child and now you're. not just focusing on protecting you. If. someone is being abusive, then you need. to get away from that person that's. being abusive. Of course, if someone is. abusing anyone, you don't put a child, I. don't care how old the child is, any. human that's below the age of 18, you do.

not place in the care or custody or, you. know, temporary engagement with someone. who's abusive. You just don't do that. You don't need to ask anybody about. that. I understand that many laws in the. world support that it's okay to keep. kids in abusive. environments, but a man or a woman being. abusive and they still have their. children given to them, which is. horrible. And I understand why the law. does that because there's so much. deception. They don't know who's telling. the truth. They're sitting in this place. where they can't assess who's abusing. who. But I don't know. Maybe you're.

abusive as well. No clue. If you're not, and this is all about him being abusive, then I would invite you to get as far. away from the abuse as possible. Don't. place your child or anyone around that. person. I would not put myself around. anyone who is abusive. So, the clear. answer is you squawk and complain that. they're abusive to you and your children. when the reality is you're just as. selfish as they are. For heaven's sake, you can walk away. Your son is barely. going to be able to walk. You can walk.

You have access to money. You make. money. You can get up and leave. You. have all sorts of ability. Your son has. none. So, I want to talk to you as a. woman to a woman and invite you to be. responsible for yourself. You know, I'm. inviting you to be responsible for the. fact that you participated in the. traumatization because at any moment you. could have left and you chose not to. So, I hope that you will rise. Thank you. for listening and if you're not already. subscribed, please subscribe to the.

podcast. The very same day, July 15th, 2023, a journal entry reads, "Runs away. at 1:15 a.m. He leaves." The journal. reads, "Oh man, I am shaking. I am. shaking." Joe um Ruby wrote this. At. 2:45, I wake up straight up. I couldn't. see R. He was gone. She was having R. sleep out on the balcony of like the. patio of the mansion. And um again, very.

reminiscent of what Jesse Hildebrand. went through. I opened the sliding glass. door and there was no sign of him. He. did leave an arrangement of rocks and. letters. He wrote me a message. I was. too scared to read it. I ran up to Jod's. room and woke her up. She came out with. me. The message said in Pebbles, "I'm. going to jail. I will call when I get. there." Again, she convinced both of the. kids that they are evil and that they're. going to jail. So, the kid just said. that I'm going to jail. Again, very. reminiscent of Jesse Hilderbrand who was. like, "Please just call the police if.

I'm that bad. I'd rather go to jail.". Jod and I scoured the house and yard. Jod got flashlights. We took her car and. I got mine. So, she's saying that she. was praying to God to find and she was. like, "Okay, there was a split in the. road. Should I go left? Should I go. right?" Eventually, she goes left, but. she doesn't see R anywhere. So, then she. turns around and goes right, which is. initially what she felt that God had. told her to do. So, she goes the way. that God told her to do, and she finds. R. He's just walking on the side of the.

road, maybe to the police station. She. writes, "I get out of the car. R is. shocked to see me." I say, "Get in the. car. Are you shocked to see me?" R nods. his head and gets in. E in the back, me. and R in the front. The devil wants me. in prison. My children would be dead. I. met Jod back home. To deescalate the. situation, I brought R into the house. I. tied rope to my feet and him to my waist. and his. He will now sleep in a soft bed. with me. The devil got a bed. It's not. just Sherry and former viewers of eight. passengers that are freaking out. Neighbors that live near the Frankie.

house where Jod and Ruby barely are. anymore. They just have left the two. teenage daughters home alone for days. and they disappear for days. Sometimes. neighbors said that they would drive. past the Frankie home and they would see. children inside and they would just see. these little kids' faces peering out the. window and hours later they would drive. again. Same faces peering out the window. and they don't know what to do. CPS. won't do anything. They knock on the. door, nobody answers. Even though they. know the kids are home, it's likely Ruby. and Jod threatened them with all sorts. of things if they were to open the door.

So now all the neighbors do and all they. can resort to is leaving food at the. front door just in case. That's wild. Episode 240 of the Connections podcast. hosted by Ruby Frankie. August 5th, 2023, 25 days before rescue. Episode. title, distorted boredom. Hello. everyone, I'm your host Ruby Frankie. One thing all humans desire is to be. connected with other people. I enjoy. running into people. I saw someone today. that I haven't seen in quite some time. and it was exciting to see them. All of.

us want friendship. All of us want to. feel interested. And we want others to. be interested in us. And when I go into. a space where I'm not being connected or. stimulated, I can choose if I go into. creativity or if I go into boredom. I. ran into this person. Now I came home. and now I'm sitting and I have space and. I don't have time to go anywhere. Now I. have a choice. I can choose to say, "Oh, this feels really good. I have a moment. to catch my breath." Or I can feel. nervous. I don't have anything to do. I. feel nervous. If I have downtime, I feel. nervous. It's a choice. Boredom is a. choice. And boredom is a sense of. entitlement. Children get bored. They.

are living in distortion. If my child is. getting more aggressive and saying. that's not good enough for me. I'm. entitled to something more stimulating. No, you need to arouse me in the way. that I like. I'm not talkingual. I'm. talking everybody has a body. Everybody. has thoughts. We like to be aroused in a. way that is stimulating. Boredom is. distorted. Little by little, if I become. full of distortion, I'm numb. I have. apathy for myself. I have apathy towards. others. I really am using other people. to make me feel something. If you are a. mother and you have children who are. bored, I hope you'll share this podcast.

with your children. Ruby's journal. reads, "The world we live in today does. not support children being. uncomfortable. The adults are. uncomfortable with children being. uncomfortable, and so children are. comforted, entertained, distracted from. the need to confess and change. Stripping down a child's world to the. basics of beans and rice and hard work. is considered abuse, and it's not. It's. necessary for a child." Ruby and Jod are. so concerned that when a child is bored, bad things happen. Meanwhile, they.

themselves are so bored and so evil, they start rationalizing and coming up. with the most sinister torture plans in. their minds. They even find stories to. justify their torture. Ruby's journal. reads, "If you can engage a weak-minded. soul in a physical activity of. obedience, you can begin to break the. bond Satan makes with the weak.". She says, "Children need farm work, lifting boxes, exerting energy, exercises, jump rope, milking cows, weeding a garden, digging trenches. Satan cannot go where there is good.

Begin doing good and sweating for good.". They start complaining in the journals. that the problem for the two kids is. that all the hard labor that they force. the two 11 and 9year-old to do does not. have meaning. They're just doing it for. pure torture and they feel like that's. not good enough. They would force E to. carry these heavy boxes of books up and. down the stairs. And she's malnourished. She's dehydrated. She would slip and. fall. And Ruby would detail how she. believes that this is pure manipulation,

that she's doing this on purpose because. she's evil because Satan is here. She. would shave their heads. She would throw. them in the dog wash. She would force. them back into work. She also talks. about how R was sitting in the shade and. she asked, "What do you want?" He said, "I just want different foods in a soft. bed." She said, "Why don't you ask. Satan? Do you think Satan will give you. those things?" "No." "Why not?" "Because. he doesn't have the power." Now, why. would you serve a God who has no power. to your desires?

Dumb. He is silent. A few days later, Ruby writes that she asks her own son if. he likes sleeping on the hard ground. outside on the balcony because she. quote, "I get to sleep in a soft bed.". Ruby writes extensively about how E is. manipulative and that she whines because. that's the devil in her. She says. whining is the devil's voice. Whining is. always a demon. E quote hurt facial. expressions blame me for her misery. It. is E at the center of her misery. Her. face is.

deceptive. They also write how quote Jod. and I took her to Hellhole Road. Remember that from part two? Mhm. Yes, there is such a road on the way to Las. Vegas. This is in the journal. E was to. run on the dirt road. She ran for a bit. and then started manipulating. She. claims that E threw herself into a tree. and into a cactus, but later in a plea. agreement, Jod admits that she forced E. to run into the. cactus. She also writes in her journal.

And I just don't see how I mean even if. she believes that there are demons in. her kids cuz she's completely lost her. mind. I don't know how you can your. children and I don't know how you can. write this in your journal and not wake. up to what's going on. She writes, "R's. rage comes out when he can't have what. he wants, which is to serve the devil, have no responsibility, and have me, mom, love on him, cuddle him.". It seems like R probably just asked for.

some maternal. love. He wants both. Feed me, hug me, be. tender with me, shower me in praise and. affection, and let me lie to you and. abuse you today. He rages for hours. He. screamed, "Fuck you." at least 50 times. I'm not going to lie anymore. I'm never. going to change. Take me to jail where I. belong. She said that she asked E and R, "What are you going to say when God. comes and you see God? you." I. respond, "Sure." Sherry makes a call to the.

Springville Police Station. Hi, my name. is Sher Frankie. My four younger. siblings are living in Springville and. my neighbors are telling me that they've. been left home alone. So, I was curious. if someone could go check on them. The. CPS workers as well as the police go. They knock on the door and it's pretty. clear that the two teenage girls are. home, but it seems like they were. instructed that they cannot open the. door for anyone. And they were probably. scared that they were going to jail. because it seems like a reoccurring. thing where Jodie and Ruby would tell. the kids the four remaining minors like. you're gonna go to jail. You're so evil.

And as for why the police can't go in, they would need a warrant by the judge. And the officer said the judge would not. sign off on it because nobody had seen. signs of physical abuse. And the way the. laws are set up in Utah, the kids are. old enough to be home alone. It seems. like there were a lot of reasons. So it. just they couldn't get a warrant. Eventually, Sherry is told by the CPS. worker, "I'm sorry, Sherry. Personally, I want you to know that I'm really. concerned, but there's nothing that we. can do." So, from that point forward, anytime CPS was called, they couldn't do.

anything. And ever since then, neighbors. never see the kids outside again. It's. like the house goes on lockdown. All the. kids have been pulled out of school. already. But now, the kids can't even go. out. They can't even walk the family dog. because Ruby gave away the family dog. Sherry does get ambushed by Ruby later, who is screaming at her, "I can't. believe you called the police on me.". After everything that I've done for you, after all the sacrifices that I've made, how could you betray me like that? Sherry's just asking her betray you. I. was worried about the kids. They're. fine. This is about you, Sherry, and.

your need for attention and your. jealousy. Ruby would tell Sherry that. her siblings are terrified of her for. calling the police on them. She says, "One day, Sherry, you will come crawling. back to me begging for my forgiveness.". Episode 241 of the Connections podcast. with Jodie Hildebrandt. August 12th, 2023, 18 days before rescue. Episode. title, Holding on to Trauma Will Make. You Sick. Here's our question. Are. things like PTSD distortion? I've been. diagnosed with PTSD and when I have.

flashbacks, the fear returns as strong. as ever, even though I'm safe. I was. wondering your thoughts on this and if. you knew any ways to help. Any guidance. is welcome. Now, I know there are some. people who don't want to heal. They're. not really interested in healing. They're interested in staying in this. victimized position. Jod Hildebrandt. goes on to rant about the DSM5 by. describing it as a psychology book from. the '60s that just keep adding to it to. create the ultimate book of disorders. Maybe you like the attention you get. from being a victim. I don't know what. your particular case is, but the.

question was, if the PTS keeps getting. triggered, is that a distorted fear? The. answer is yes, because that is not the. truth today. Maybe you just like being. the victim. Maybe you like the attention. you get from being a victim. I don't. know what your particular case is. I'm. not trying to be insensitive. I've had a. lot of trauma in my life and I've healed. all of it. But you are choosing to lie. over choosing the truth. That's another. way to say it. Distortion means I. participate in deception. Selfdeception. Thanks for joining me. I'm your host Jod. Hildebrand and thanks for listening.

According to Jod, holding on to trauma. is staying in a state of selfdeception, distortion. A synonym would be. delusional. But it appears only Ruby and. Jod are delusional. Ruby writes in her. journal that when E is outside forced to. stand on like the pavement in with. nothing on her feet just scalding. blisters on the soles of her feet she's. getting burned by the sun. She would say. you know hell is much hotter and God is. going to burn the wicked. So either you. start getting used to it or start. changing. E would look Ruby in the face.

and tell her I don't really believe. that's going to. happen. She writes, "We need to wake the. child up to the state of reality. Show. them where they really are. the pit of. hell. The hope was that they would. choose to go to God for forgiveness, to. admit their awful state. Instead, they. wanted to lie to themselves that what. they did wasn't bad, that they were the. victims, that me and Jod are the. prosecutors, that burning in hell isn't. real, and that God doesn't even. exist. So, she writes like the kids are. not delusional, they are.

Episode 243 of the Connections podcast. with Jod Hildebrand. Date August 26, 2023. 4 Days Before Rescue. Episode. title, Speaking the Truth About Death. The truth is, people die. And some. people die as they're older. Some people. die by accident. Some people die when. they just take their very first breath. Death is part of life. It doesn't have. to be this horrible, terrible. experience. It can be sad and you'll. miss them for a second, but it can also. be a pleasant experience where you get. to celebrate life. It's just a part of.

this movement called life and everyone. goes through it. And so you can help. your children see all the different. facets of death and be grateful for. that. Death is always a hard thing. Some. people who are dying, they're afraid. They don't know what to do. And some. people are excited about dying. I've. watched people go different ways. Some. people are terrified. Some people can't. wait to get out of their bodies. And it. doesn't have to be a terrifying thing, you know. Thank you very much. Thanks so. much for listening to the Connections. podcast today. Share this podcast with. your family and friends. And if you have. not already subscribed, please subscribe.

to the podcast. There are a large group of people online. that believe that the two kids, had they. not have been saved, had that little boy. not saved himself and his sisters, that. it was only likely or plausible that Jod. and Ruby were ramping up that would end. up with the kids being dead. It's a. really grim theory, but one that is not. completely out of the realm of. possibility because Ruby and Jod were. planning on selling the Utah $5 million. mansion that's already quite isolated.

They wanted to use that money to buy a. giant plot of land out in Arizona where. they were going to fix the kids for good. as evidenced by the journal. It's likely. had that happened, nobody would have. seen the kids again. Ruby writes about. finding property in Arizona. She writes, "They don't know that Jod is selling her. home." Talking about the kids, this. priceless canyon gem, so that she can. purchase land where these two can work. Jod has been looking for property with. cactus, and it feels more eminent these. days to get the children to open land. It's a spiritual matter. Their souls are.

on the line. We decided that the. escalation of the kids is not manageable. here. Now, there is another segment of. the journal where Ruby talks about. sedating are there are arguments over if. sedating just means hypnosis, if she. means sedating them with like allergy. medications such as benadryil. It's kind. of up in the air, but it reads, "I know. that in order to keep my son, I will. need to put him back under sedation. I. unhooked him from all the bells and. whistles and asked him to breathe and.

thrive on his own. And he went into. arrest and stress. Back to sedation we. go. The demon is still here and I. purposely put R back into a slumber. Hibernate to watch R go into the awful. state of compliance knowing that demon. he harbors in his heart is so sick. Like. stitching up a patient knowing you. didn't get all the cancer out and. knowing it's only a matter of time. before your patient kills over. Another. journal entry scathingly reads, "We need. land. The spirit told Jod very clearly, "Don't let these kids' choices ruin your. life. We have work to do. You can force.

repentance." They were looking for a 500. acre property in the middle of nowhere. in Arizona. Netzens speculate grimly. that the kids could have died there. Ruby writes in her journal, "Jod sent me. a text. I found the land. The devil does. not want us to take R and E out of. society. He did not want Jod finding. this property. Oh, how good the Lord is. to those who risk everything to follow. him. The hosts of heaven are on our.

side. My children will never know the. sacrifices and lives put on the line to. offer a chance for their. salvation. That is it for part three of. the Ruby Frankie case. Stay tuned for. part four, the final part where we go. over the arrest, jailhouse calls, and. all the conspiracy surrounding Kevin and. a woman named Pam that everybody thinks, at least if they're very into the case, I guess, thinks needs to be arrested as. well. That is it. Let me know your.

thoughts below and please stay safe. I. will see you in the next one. [Music].