Ruby Franke Calls Husband From Jail “I’m A Really Good Girl” After Almost Killing 2 Of Her Kids

[Music]. Bada bing, bada boom. It's not exactly. where you want to spend a lot of your. free time, especially if you don't have. loved ones buried inside the cemetery. It is kind of odd when you think about. these two middle-aged women sitting in. their AC blasting car just staring out. into this cemetery in Utah. Ruby thinks. there's a plan for everything. This is. to teach Ruby Frankie's two youngest. children a lesson. Go barefoot in the. scorching hot heat pavement of the.

cemetery. Pick up every single bit of. weed, brush, cactus, thorn, broken. glass, trash inside the cemetery for 5. hours. No shade, no food, and definitely. no water. [Music]. The youngest, the little 9-year-old. girl, screams for another family, for. water, for food, care, love. But Ruby. and Jod, they know this is all.

manipulation. That's the plan. Okay, this is what they've been doing until. one day a woman stops to watch them. This woman starts taking pictures of. them. She's taking videos right now, right? Ruby turns to her kids and tells. them to shield their faces from the. picture while they continue to pull the. weeds. But after about 15 minutes of. this woman just watching Ruby forcing. her kids to pull weeds at the cemetery, the woman approaches them. What are you. doing here? This isn't your land. This. is a reservation and you are.

trespassing. How would you feel if I. came around and started poking around. your cemeteries? What are you stealing. here? And Ruby writes in her journal, "Nothing. We're weeding. We're picking. up trash, weeds, and broken glass. You. can see for yourself. Leave. Get off our. land. This is a reservation, meaning. it's literally reserved for indigenous. people. It's not enough for you guys to. come and take all of our land. Now you. want more. Now you want our cemeteries, too. What is wrong with you? You weren't. raised right. So much disrespect. What. are you doing in our.

cemetery? I mean, no disrespect. We're. honoring your. people. Ruby later states that it was. not worth the fight. She collects her. kids and gets in the car. This graveyard. torture will have to stop for the time. being. She and Jodie Hildebrandt will. just have to think of a new way to get. the devil out of Ruby's two youngest. children. Ruby writes in her journal, "I. told E, the youngest daughter, I told. her that she invited evil, that you. created this evil, but the good news is.

because you created it, you can destroy. this." The truth is Eve did not start. this. She did not create this. She did. not invite evil into their home, but. August 30th, 2023, they will be sent. away. This is the final part of Ruby. Frankie and Jodie Hildebrand, and how. both of them were arrested and their new. accusations from jail, a new lawsuit. that's hit them in jail, and how there. might be a third person, a third woman. that people think should be arrested.

along with them. [Music]. We would like to thank today's sponsors. who have made it possible for Rotten. Mango to support the Bis Parents. Foundation. They're a nonprofit. organization devoted to protecting. professional child performers and their.

rights. This episode's partnerships have. also made it possible to support Rotten. Mango's growing team, and we'd also like. to thank you guys for your continued. support. As always, full show notes are. available at rotten mango podcast.com. This is the final part of the four-part. Ruby Frankie and Jodie Hildebrand. series. Please watch the previous three. parts before this episode. In part one, we went over Ruby Frankie's YouTube. channel, her entire online I want to say. cancellation because they're not actual. legal charges against her, but it was I. mean the whole world believed that she.

was abusing her six children behind the. scenes. And then in part two, we went. over Jodie Hildebrand and the people. that have accused her of ruining their. lives. It seems like she has a tendency. and a deep yearning to want to ruin. people's marriages. In part three, we. went over Jodie and Ruby joining forces. to create the Connections business. Well, Ruby joins Connections, which is. Jod Hildebrand's life counseling. business. And the two of them, they. decide they're going to just dominate.

the podcast world with their. ill-advised, ill-recorded, not so great podcast, giving other parents some of the most. abusive parenting advice that you could. probably find on the internet. Hello and. welcome to Connections. I'm Jody Hill. the Brand and I'm Ruby Frankie. In this. episode, the final part, we will be. going over their arrests, what they've. said, their plea agreements, and then. all of the internet conspiracies, as. well as all of the discourse surrounding. Kevin Frankie, the dad, and a woman. named Pam, whom a lot of people on the. internet think both of them should be.

facing charges for this case. We will be. referring to the eldest children, Sherry. and Chad, by their names. They are. adults and they have publicly spoken out. about this case. Sherry also has a. phenomenal book. It's called The House. of My Mother. Please go buy a copy. Please go buy 30 copies. I think it is a. book everyone should read, especially. when it pertains to family vlogging. There is just so much in there that. gives you a very vulnerable but also. visceral look into what it would be like. to be the child of a family vlogger. Hi,

I'm Sheri Frankie, the author and. narrator of The House of My. I was. inspired to share my story in this audio. book just because this is the first time. in my life that I can share my story in. my own words and take back that power. Now, the four youngest Frankie kids will. be just referred to by their first. initial of their names, regardless of if. their names are publicly out there. already. There are graphic descriptions. of Twitter, food restrictions, CA, CSA, religious abuse, therapy abuse, neglect,

and details of injuries. So, with that. being said, let's get started. Clark and Debbie are not expecting. anyone when the door rings. Answer the door right now, but if you'd. like to leave a message, you can do it. now. They're older. I mean, they don't. move as quickly as they used to. And by. the time that they get out there, they. can barely make out this figure near the. It's a tiny figure near the door. Whoever was knocking was almost walking. all the way.

Yes. Hi, I was. just wondering if you could do a two. favor. They swing the door open. They see a. little 12-year-old boy. And within a. minute or two, they are on the phone. with 911. 911. The address of your. emergency. Okay. And the phone number. you're calling from. Tell me exactly. what's happened. I just had a 12year-old. boy show up here at my front door asking. for help. and he's uh said he had just.

came from a neighbor's house and we know. there's been problems at this neighbor's. house. He's emaciated. He's got tape. around his legs. He's hungry and he's. thirsty. Okay. Okay. With he has duct. tape around each. ankle. Yeah, there's so around them. I. think the a good chance he's been uh. Clark's wife Debbie shouts in the. background, "We need someone. immediately." He also said, "Oh, and he. has them around his ankles. I mean his.

wrists as well." Okay, this boy has been. Clark swivels in the patio chair so that. the little boy can't see his face. Clark. starts choking on his words and he tries. to take a deep breath to calm himself. down. This is very different from when. he first opened the door. When he first. opened the door, he didn't understand. the situation. And when the little boy. asked for a favor, he had asked the. little boy, "Well, what are they?" uh. taking me to the nearest police station. Well, actually this one's fine.

But now seeing what's happened to him, he's getting emotional. He can't even. talk on the phone to 911. [Music]. Oh, he was such a good kid. This kid has. obviously. been I think he. he's been detained. He's been he's.

obviously covered in wounds. Is Jody up. there right now? Yeah. Okay. Jody. Hildebrand is up there right now. Okay. So, she may come looking for him here. soon, but. uh he's not going to. obviously we need the cops here as soon. as possible. I'm just asking where he is. now. Yeah, she's a uh she's a bad.

lady. We didn't realize how bad. When. Clark had asked the little boy about why. he has duct tape around him, he said, "It was personal business, but it's my. fault. He said it's his fault that the injuries. underneath the duct tape, the deep. wounds. He said it was caused by rope, but again, it was his fault. The police. rush to the house. Ambulances are. meeting them there. And when they see. this little boy, they offer to carry him.

to the from the driveway to the. ambulance cuz he looks so incredibly. frail. He's got injuries around his. ankle, so undoubtedly it's probably. hurting every time he takes a step. They. want to carry him, but he is determined. to walk by himself. One of the first. officers on the scene notices a few. things about the little boy. I mean, there's obviously things that they can't. ignore. He's just all skin and bones, but on the upper part of the ankle, the. Achilles tendon, you could just see all. the tendons. Like, that's how deep the. injuries were. He had never seen.

anything like that before. The little. boy turns to him and he says, "I have a. younger sister in that house." "When did. you last see her?" "It's been over a. month." 11:52 a.m. The officer bursts in. through the closet door in Jody. Hildebrand's home. And quickly, he uses. his body to shield the closet from the. view of his rifle, cuz he's got this. giant rifle just hanging by his side. and he tries to hide it as he reaches. out his hand and his voice suddenly.

becomes high-pitched as high as he can. make it go. You come in my buddy. I I'm. a police officer. Are you okay? There is. just this little girl sitting crisscross. applesauce in the middle of this empty. closet. She's not crouching. She's not. hiding. She barely even reacts to the. door being slammed open. And there's an. officer with a rifle as tall as her. walking in. We can't see her face, but. her body language, she almost appears.

like she's. disassociating. Now, side note, her hair. is almost cut in a shaved pixie cut. Many officers actually thought she was a. little boy. Hey, you. okay? Is this just you in. here? I'm Sergeant. Tobler. What's your name? No response. He squats down. Contact one. You okay? Huh? you doing okay? He offers his hand. She. still doesn't move. He's trying to be as.

calm as possible. The energy that he. gives is like he's approaching a stray. kitten that he doesn't want to run away. in fear. You don't want to talk to. me? Yeah, that's okay. Can you come with. me, though? We got Jod out here. You. know. Jodie? She's outside with us. You take your time, bud. I'm in no. hurry. I'm a police officer. Did you know that?

I don't mean to hurt you at all. [Music]. You doing. okay? Are you scared? Call out. Yeah. You're okay. Do you need help? No response. sit down. It's okay if I just sit here with you.

We don't even have to say anything if. you don't want. to. 1:40 p.m., an hour and 50 minutes. later, another officer walks in with a. small personal sized pizza and a Pepsi. Thank you. I'll put the screen. Okay. When we're hungry, we can eat. Thanks.

He places the food down and leaves so. that she can have some space to eat. She's just as malnourished and emaciated. as her brother that escaped to the. neighbors. She looks like she hasn't had. a proper meal in months. Two full minutes later, 120 seconds. later, she touches the pizza box. She. was just staring at it. [Music].

You're more. than you want to. That's all you. [Music]. She takes another 30 seconds before. opening up the box, lifting it up, and. taking a small bite.

[Music]. [Music]. They sit with her for a while. She eats. her entire pizza. They order her another. one and she eats another half of a large. pizza. It's clear she's. starving. 3:36 p.m. 3 hours and 40. minutes later, after finding her in the.

closet, she's barely said a few words. She's barely moved other than eat that. pizza. She's just sitting there staring. at the. floor. Two female first responders. joined the closet with the little girl. You don't want to. talk? Okay. I know you want to talk. about. It's okay to talk to. me. Are you scared?

[Music]. You can barely make out what the little. girl says, but it sounds like, "I'm. nervous." And so they promise her. nothing's going to happen to her. One of. the female first responders says, "We. promise. Thank you, promise. We helped your. brother and we got him some help, too." And that's what we want to do for.

you. if we want to get you some help, too. We are. safe. We will not hurt you, and we won't. do anything to hurt. you. After nearly 4 hours since finding. her, they get the little girl to finally. stand up. She's very cautious. She looks. almost too careful, like she's trying. her best not to touch anyone or. anything. And a full 4 hours later, she. finally walks out of that closet. August.

30th, 2023. This is the day of the. rescue. Officers are banging on the door. to the $5 million estate. The mansion. looks like it's in the middle of Mars. The door is 15 ft tall and they're. banging. Police officers, open up. Open the door. The door opens with no. sense of urgency. Okay. Jod Hildebrand. is standing right there with her phone. in her hand. Her attorney is already on. speaker phone.

Jody, I need you to step out. I have I. have my turn. That's great. Step out of. the house. No, I'm not going to step. out. Step out of the house. Step out of. the house. They basically yank her, thankfully, and drag her out of the. house. Step out of the house. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute. How do you come to my. house? Right there. They run into my. house. Just have a seat right there. Do. you have a search warrant? I have a seat. right there. Do you have a search. warrant? Have a seat right there. They. tell her whether you like it or not, we're searching the house. Control 12x1, can you hold the air? We're searching.

the house. I can tell you what's in the. house. Okay, just have a seat right there. So, the. little boy is one of the reasons why. we're here. We just need to clear the. house and make sure everything's okay. But why are you coming into my house. without a search? I'll explain it after. this. But that doesn't make sense. You. come into my house and do what you want. and then you tell me you don't have a. warrant. And we'll explain why we did. But don't you have to have a warrant? Not at this moment. We don't. We're here on exitent circumstances and. I'll explain it after this. After my.

sergeant and the officer are done. clearing the house. She's just staring. at the officer. It's like unsettling the. way she's able to look him in the eye. Is there anybody else in the house? Yes. Two kids. There's a little girl. Just. one. She's right over here. Okay. How. old is she? She'll be 10 next week. Okay.

And she's on this side. Mhm. I have Airbnb guests over there. Probably scared him to death. Okay. Which, side note, why are you not. worried about the 10-year-old girl being. scared to death? The police say once. they get in there, I mean, you're just. looking through each door closet. You go. downstairs, there's a basement, and it's. just all concrete. concrete walls, concrete floors, concrete ceiling. We. found what looked like a safe that could. have been used for guns or a safe room.

It's like a giant door vault. It has. numbers and the whole wheel in the. center. It looks like a bank vault. A. giant bank vault. It is a safe room with. its own toilet and sink. And the. officers demand her for the code because. they have to search inside. She claims. she doesn't know the code to her own. panic room inside her $5 million. mansion. She's I have I haven't used it. One of the officers there just says, "You know what? I'm just going to try. Let's go there and try a bunch of codes.

1 2 3 4 5 6." And it clicks open. No. way. By this point, they found R, the. boy that escaped and basically saved him. and his own sister. And then they found. E, the 9-year-old little girl in the. closet. But there are still two teenage. girls unaccounted for. Uh-huh. Ruby's. middle children. Yeah. Inside the safe. room, the panic room, they find rope, handcuffs, gauze, medical dressings for. wounds, they find this thick red paste.

in a in a bowl. It's honey and cayenne. pepper, which was made to put on the. wounds. Ruby and Jod had four kids under. their care. The little boy went to the. neighbor. The little girl was found in. the closet. And that means the two. daughters that are left, they still need. to find them. And they are not in this. safe room. This safe room is empty. And. Ruby is not in the house either. No. Purgatory is death suspended. It's where. souls go after death to undergo.

purification before entering heaven. That's what purgatory is. It's supposed. to be like a temporary state, a rest. stop for those who are saved but just. need to be purified. If someone you know. is in purgatory, probably the last thing. you want is to hear from them. Kevin. Frankie picks up the phone. This is a. call from and paid for by Ruby. Thank. you. Purgatory Correction, an inmate at. Purgatory Correctional Facility. This. call is subject to recording and.

monitoring. If you don't wish to talk, hang up now. Ruby's voice is relatively. calm, almost stoic. She tells her. husband and tries to almost reason with. him because, yeah, she was arrested. foring their two youngest children, but. she asks him, "Can you please see the. truth? I know it's obscured. I'm. I'm where I see the facts, I see the. truth. And that's what I'm that's what. I'm gathering. You know my heart. What are they. charging you with?

Two degrees of second Two charges of. secondderee felony for child abuse. Two charges of secondderee felony child. abuse. Yes. Um. Okay. Wow. That's very serious. I think I was prepared for this. I do. feel strong. I do feel calm. And you. know what? They they. may adults have a really hard time.

understanding that children can be full. of evil and what that takes to fight it. You've seen what it takes to fight evil. It's not the person you're. fighting. And it can look like something. it's not. And you've been there. you. know. that. And so I don't know any adults who. are going to see the. truth. So I'm calm about this and I just. pray that you'll hang in there. Kevin. informs Ruby that he got a text from.

someone who he doesn't talk to anymore. But they reached out after hearing the. news about Ruby being arrested. And Ruby. is intrigued. Are we in the news? It. sounds like at least you're in the news. I don't know about me. I'm wondering if. they want to ask Sherry. if they went to. Sherry to ask her questions. You know, these bookings are public. This is a. witch hunt. Yeah, maybe this is a. blessing, but this is a witch hunt. The. devil's been after me for years and he's. mad at him. Have you shared that with. the detectives, Ruby? I've not said a. word till I have an.

attorney. Later, Kevin tells her that. the kids are going to be in the hospital. for 3 days. The two that they rescued, 11year-old and 9-year-old. And she. responds, "So weird. It's just not. necessary. They're trying to exaggerate. this. In another call, Ruby tells Kevin and it. was it was horrible. It was torturous. last night hearing the screaming and and. the banging and people. It's like, okay, that's that's, you know, upsetting. But. the most upsetting thing is that I am.

completely. misunderstood. That is the most horrible. feeling. Like my own family. misunderstands me. They misinterpret me. And and poor Jodie, they they. misinterpret her. They misunderstand. her. She puts her neck out on the line. for people and then they get mad at her. I mean, it is just horrendous. It's. horrendous. And you know what? Every. Joseph Smith, every every wonderful man. of God has had to be misunderstood.

Were these call recorded? Yes. What's. the husband's attitude towards her? A. lot of people take it in different ways. Some people listen to these jail house. calls and they think that Kevin is just. as guilty as Ruby. The way that he's. able to listen to her say these things. and like some of the verbiage that she. uses, you know what it takes to fight. evil. You know that, you've seen that. You've been there. It sounds like he. ptook in some of the abuse, which there. is no evidence otherwise he would have. been arrested, right? And there's so. much evidence in this case. However,

other people take it as Kevin needs to. do everything he can to try and get. custody of his children to try and. amicably resolve this as best for his. kids. So, he's just letting Ruby talk. and say these things. He doesn't want to. get combative. He doesn't want to say, "No, you're literally crazy. You're. abusive.". So, a lot of people have interpreted it. differently. If you found out this is what happened, how can you keep it together? Right.

Yeah. He just says that's right about uh. every man of God has been misunderstood. That's right. And so I'm going to get. out of this. Who knows? I may maybe in. 10 days I'll get out of this if I'm you. know if if truth prevails right now or. you know who knows like 20 years. I I. don't know. I don't know how long. But. I'm going to step out. I'm going to say. I went through. everything. I have.

seen God's children suffer. All the. people here, my jail cellmates have been. beautiful women, but they've been hurt. You know, they've been deceived into. drugs. and my heart is just has so much. compassion for them. And. I I have compassion for the cops and I. have compassion for myself and. I and then to be told that I'm suicidal.

I'm like, "No, no, that's not true." So, this is when she was driving back to. Jodie Hildebrandt's house after finding. out that her children were saved. She. said, "God told me, God told me when I. was driving before I called you. I. didn't have any information. I didn't. know anything. And the spirit said, "Your children are going to be removed.". And I just I cried out loud. I'm like, "No, I'm not I'm not done. I'm not. ready." And God told me, "I'm done." And.

I I just. Oh. So, Satan has taken everything away from me. that I love. And I'm a good woman. I. don't do naughty things. I don't do. naughty things. I'm a really good girl. Shy, I'm going to do everything that I. can, okay, to. keep truth in our family. And thank you.

I'm I am committed to our family. I'm. committed to you and our marriage no. matter what happened. Thank. you. Thank you. I will be here to. support you in any way that I can. Well, thank you for stepping up. The jail house calls get released to the. public and everyone is confused. Is this. not the same case? The way Ruby and. Kevin are talking about their children. and about what Ruby and Jod did, it.

doesn't even match the evidence and the. severity of this case. The way that. they're talking in these jail house. calls, it almost makes you be like, "Wait, do they not know what's happening. in this own in their own worlds right. now, August 30th, 2023, the day that the. little boy is rescued, there's a whole. crowd of paramedics, fire rescue, police, all surrounding the boy. And one. officer who has his body cam on is. standing off to the side just observing. when a paramedic walks up to him and. says,

dry. I know. I got the shades on. Do you. uh got pictures? I'll take more if you. want me to set them. The paramedic wipes. her face with her arm and later in an. interview, she says it was the first I. had ever been on any sort of call like. that. I mean, to see that little boy. appear to be so okay when everything. he's been through, it was like a punch. in the. face. One of the officers said, "You.

could actually smell the flesh. It was. the most terrible thing that you've ever. seen. Ruby and Jod would enact prison. war levels of torture. And I don't say. that to be dramatic. I think prisoner of. war torture can be very specific in the. sense that sometimes they don't want to. leave marks. So they find the most. creative acts to torture people. Ruby. and Jod would enact poking torture on. the kids. They would use what they. called a cactus poker, which appears to. just be a stick with a cactus spine on. it, and poke both of them, which is not.

only painful, it is almost invisible. One person online says after getting. cactus needles stuck in their body, I. had to lay across the bed on my stomach. and endure the pain of having the. needles taken out of me, it took a week. and a half to get them all out as they. were nearly invisible. You would need a. magnifying glass to see them, just. leaving my hand all tingly. I managed to. get most of them out, but a few of them. were still lingering under the skin, and. I tried glue, masking tape, tweezers. You can't even see the ones that are. under there, and it was burning. One.

person says, "The cactus fuzz is. basically the equivalent of fiberglass. Thousands of tiny spines called glockids. that just stick to you and irritate you, and it's the most visceral pain that you. will ever feel." Jod admits that she. would physically force Ruby's. nine-year-old daughter to jump into a. cactus multiple times. They would make. the kids jump on trampolines. Trampoline. torture. Ar specifically had extensive. injuries to his ankles. Remember they. said they could see his tendons. And.

considering how frail he was, to make. him jump on a trampoline is downright. cruel. Ruby journals. Today I asked him. to take off one sock by balancing on the. opposite foot. Lift one foot up and. remove the sock while staying balanced. He fell over, hit his nose on the. ground, and began bleeding. I gave him a. wet rag to wipe his face in toilet. paper. He dabbed his face merely to. smear the blood. Then he blew his nose. so harshly through the toilet paper he. got new blood on his face and all over. his shirt. The easiest exercise he is. asked to do. He refuses with the stature.

you would expect of a 90-year-old. He. plays completely helpless. His body is. full of evil, puffy infection, and he. won't participate in the responsibility. of pushing it. out. Based off the children's injuries. along with Ruby's journal, it appears. that they would whip the kids with. towels, pour cold water on them, R was. forced to sleep out on the balcony. Reminiscent of Jod's niece Jesse from. part two. They were forced to do hard. labor, go to graveyards, stand outside. in the sun, barefoot in 100° plus.

weather in Utah, forced to carry large. boxes up and down the stairs. They were. tied with rope, handcuffs, they were hog. tied, which is an extremely stressful. position. I mean, not only that, the. ropes and the handcuffs would dig as. deep into ours wrists and ankles that. you could practically see his muscles. They would cut through the tissues. Then. Ruby and Jod would pour cayenne pepper. and honey inside the wounds. There's. argument cuz a lot of people are like, "What is the purpose of that? Is that. just pure torture?" There's argument.

that the honey is an oldenday treatment. for wounds that is probably medically. ill advised right now, but it seems more. like it was for torture cuz the cayenne. pepper seems to hold no real purpose in. this healing method and to add it to. honey. It feels like the main purpose is. to make sure the cayenne pepper sticks. to the open wound for maximum pain. It's. pretty clear that Ruby knows what this. is doing to her kids. Ruby journal entry. read, "It has been three months of. consistent boundaries and putting up. with his terrorizing to get his.

confessions out. Who would do this in. the real world? I don't know of anyone. who would feed their kids in America. just rice, lentils, and chicken for. meals for 3 months. And this is why. Americans are full of sin and are ready. for destruction. They won't repent.". Wait, what? She says that she's trying. to get him to repent all of his sins. Again, very reminiscent of Jesse. Hildebrand from part two where he's. saying who why isn't more Americans. doing this to their kids? Yeah. This is. why Americans are full of sin and we're.

going to be I guess ready for. destruction. The children were regularly. denied food, water, beds to sleep in, and virtually all forms of. entertainment. This is a. non-comprehensive list of all the. physical torture that they had to. endure. carrying loaded boxes of books. up and down the stairs, doing wall sits, sitting up against the wall without. anything for hours at a time, forced to. do manual labor outside in extreme. summer heat without socks or shoes. Stand outside on the cement patio in the. summer heat, sometimes for days. Now,

the UV index in Utah ranges from 8 to. 10. They're probably getting sunburn. blisters. According to court documents, it reads, "These actions resulted in repeated and. serious sunburns with blistered and. sloing skin. R was denied adequate water. for several of the days he was required. to remain in the summer heat, and he was. punished when he secretly consumed. water." So, these kids were forced to. run barefoot on dirt roads. They have a. little section in their parenting book. Okay. Ruby and Jodie released a.

parenting book called Rings of. Responsibility. And they have a whole. quote in there that reads, "Choosing to. wear shoes prepares me for adventures in. the world, just as choosing principles. prepares me to connect with myself, God, and others." I mean, their teachings are. clearly not advisable. They're like the. worst teachings in the world, but also. just so hypocritical. Is it this or is. it that? So, they would deprive the kids. of shoes, make them get blisters and. sores on their feet, while also talking. about principles are the same as shoes.

And they're talking about how they want. their children to have principles, but. they won't even give them shoes. It. doesn't make sense. They consistently. deprive the children of shoes just for. the soores and blisters. It seems. they're constantly bound with duct tape. on their wounds. I mean, there's a heavy. amount of residue that is incredibly. difficult to get off of human skin from. duct tape. This is not medical tape. This is duct tape. If you leave it on. too long, or additionally, if you. already have a small wound, if you rip. duct tape off the wound, it could. completely rip it open. Skin stripping.

and tension blisters are associated with. duct taping. The prosecutors state, "Both children had extensive physical. injuries from the abuse that required. hospitalization to treat. Emotionally, they were also tortured. I think that. would be harder to heal. The prosecutors. heartbreakingly state, "The children. believed to some degree that they. deserved what was being done to them.". According to court documents, R was told. that everything that was being done to. him were acts of love. As for E, the. youngest, the court dock reads, "She was.

repeatedly told she was evil and. possessed. The punishments were. necessary for her to be obedient and to. repent, and those things were being done. in order to help her. She was convinced. that she was evil and needed to go. through these things in order to. repent." Even the fact that it took the. little girl 4 hours to trust officers. enough to walk out of the closet. Jesse, Jod's own niece, a victim of Jodie, says, "I wasn't allowed to speak to. anyone. If a church leader came and. would ask me, "Are you okay?" I would.

just have to stare at them because Jod. had spies everywhere. She had people. reporting back to her anything and. everything that I did. So, if I did talk. to someone, she would find out somehow. Like, the amount of paranoia and fear. that I had, I was like, I can't talk to. anyone. The prosecutors state that it. was like a concentration camp setting in. their home. They state child abuse to. this degree is something that is super. abnormal. Everyone who has worked on. this case has gone home and. cried. Ruby and Jod end up pleading.

guilty. They get a deal to plead guilty. to four counts of aggravated CA. At. first, Ruby seemed like she was going to. stay loyal to Jod, but eventually she. realized she would get a lot more if she. agreed to testify against Jod and get. less time, appear to be the victim, and. not the heinous mother that she actually. is. What's aggregated CA? Aggravated. child abuse. Oh, okay. That's it. Just. four counts. During Ruby's sentencing, I. mean, of course, she does everything to. blame everything on Jod. She makes a. statement during her sentencing. Oh, she.

switched on Jodie. Yeah. Or at least in. front of the judges, huh? For the past. four years, I've chosen to follow. counsel and guidance that has led me. into a dark delusion. My distorted. version of reality went largely. unchecked as I would isolate from anyone. who challenged me. I was led to believe. that this world was an evil place filled. with cops who control hospitals that. injure government agencies that. brainwash church leaders who lie and. lust, husbands who refused to protect, and children who needed abused. She goes.

on to state that she never worked with. Jod. She was never Jod's business. partner. I mean, I guess she's trying to. make herself seem less like a partner in. crime, a partner in distortion, but. rather a woman who was taken advantage. of by someone who has this psychology. degree, who has the power to manipulate. her. She says, "Jod was employed as my. son's counselor in 2019, and in 2020, I. paid her to be my mentor. It is. important to me to demonstrate my. remorse and regret without blame. I take.

full accountability for my choices and. it is my preference that I serve a. prison sentence. Thank you to the. officer. Okay. Your preference to serve. a prison sentence. If I were a judge, that alone would make me throw the book. at someone. She would do this very. aggravating thing throughout all of this. where she lists all the officers names, the ones that were called out to the. house to rescue the kids, and she thanks. them. She says, "You were the angels who. came and saved my children." I.

especially want to thank Detective Jay. Bait. She plucked me out of the. situation I didn't know how to get out. of, and the moment she handcuffed me, it. was the moment I gained my freedom. Thank you to the medical staff at Inter. Mountain Hospital. Your tenderness and. professionalism helped heal my children. Jod and I inflicted the injuries, not. the hospital. Obviously, why would the. hospital be inflicting injuries? Were. you not just complaining that 3 days in. the hospital was 3 days too long for. your kids? Also, did Ruby win some type. of award? Like, what is this bizarre.

thank you tour? She goes on to, I kid. you not, thank the DCFS, the Children's. Justice Center, Judge Basil, and other. key adults. That's her quote. I don't. know what that means. She thanks her. bishop. She thanks another church. leader. She continues, "Thank you to the. Washington County Prosecutor's Office, Ryan Sham, the legal assistants, the. Discovery Clerks, Eric Clark." What the. Is this the first time you ever heard. Yeah. someone say that? Yeah. I don't. know what's happening right now. I fully.

wish that I was kidding, but she. continues to think her attorney, all of. his staff, whoever Randy Ktor is, and. her friends, Pam and Roy. Hold on to. Pam. Hold on to Pam. She brings up her. in-laws, Kevin's family, her cousins, her aunts, her nieces, her uncles, nephews, just everything at this point. Wrap it up. You know, thank the mailman. and let's move on because you don't seem. remorseful at all. You're giving a.

statement and this is who you choose to. thank. Like, this is what you choose to. do with this. She thanks her parents, her siblings, their spouses. She. apologizes for publicly dragging them. into this. And then she says, "Kevin, my husband of more than 23. years, you are the love of my. life. So sorry to leave to you to finish. what we both started. together. The ending of our marriage is. a. tragedy, and you are wrapped around my.

heart in a knot I'll never be able to. undo.". What about her kids? Finally, she brings. up the kids. This is after all of this. needless yapping in the thank you tour. She finally brings up the kids. She. doesn't list them by name. She doesn't. even list the adult children by name. She just says to my. babies, my six little. chicks. You are part of me. I was the. mama duck who was consistently waddling.

you to safety. I can see now that over the past four. years I was in a deep undercurrent that. led us to. danger. I would never have led you to. darkness knowingly. I was so. disoriented that I believed dark was. light and right was. wrong. I would do anything in this world. for you. I guess except not for them. My. willingness to sacrifice all for you was.

masterfully manipulated into something. very. ugly. I took from you all that was soft. and safe and good. I took from you your. mother. How terrifying this must have. been for you. I will never stop. crying for hurting your tender souls. You are so precious to me. I'm sorry. Then she goes on to thank the judge and. his staff for quote facilitating my.

opportunity to take accountability and. to answer for my charges. I am humbled. and willing to serve a prison sentence, which like I don't think you have a. choice. What do you mean? A lot of. people really question after that just. how sorry and remorseful Ruby Frankie. really is. Ruby in a jail house called. her sister, one of her sisters. She says. she hasn't spoken to Jod since the day. of the arrest, but that Jod is mentally. ill. So, it's a very different tune from. what she was telling Kevin. But, she.

says, I think putting the pieces. together and just seeing like she knew. she was lying the whole time. Like I And. it's embarrassing, too, just like repeat. it. It's like, oh my gosh, how gullible. was I? Oh my gosh, how how much power I. gave this person and I didn't see it. I. didn't I didn't know she wasn't honest. I didn't know she would lie. And it's. like, what else has she been lying. about? Where else have I been deceived? She says, "This has been the strangest. and the most miraculous intervention. It.

It put everybody where they needed to. be. It separated me from Jodie, so I'm. not hearing her. And I think just being. gone and not hearing her has cleared a. lot of things up for me." A former. cellmate of Rubies has come forward to. share her experience being in the same. jail as Ruby. She says it was. interesting to watch Ruby in jail. She. only saw her for about 3 days, but it. was interesting. She said Ruby was. desperately playing mother hen in. prison, okay, in jail in her cell block.

Ruby thought the other cellmate was. going through a drug withdrawal. So, weirdly, she's doing this thing, putting. the blanket over this random cellmate. and then tucking it, going around. tucking the blanket under her, mothering. her, nurturing her. When she wasn't. doing that, she would just walk around. with a Bible in her hands, carrying it. at all times, glued to that thing. She. says Ruby just kept holding it to her. chest and she would close her eyes and. the cellmate is like uh are you okay? What's wrong with you? Are you okay? Are. you fine? I just She starts sobbing. I.

just miss my. kids. Something about it felt completely. empty. Like with no depth, the response. was weird, which there have been a few. updates since the sentencing. Ruby has. allegedly now accused one of her kids. Yeah. Well, both of them, the youngest. of watching explicit material since they. were three years old. Wait, so she apologized or or thanked. everyone non-stop, saying that I love. all my kids, blah blah blah, and now.

she's accusing the kids again. She's. basically just trying to justify what. she did. She's like, I'm not actually. evil. The reason that I thought that. there were demons in my kids is because. and um a lot of her journal there were. redacted portions and it is a lot of. people's speculation that it was Ruby. and Jod forcing the kids to confess to. things that they never did which is a. common theme that Jodie Hildebrand is. doing. Jod Hildebrand did that to her. own niece Jesse. She would force Jesse.

to claim and to confess to having three. dozen abortions. I mean, Jesse was 14, had no idea what an abortion was. Ruby. allegedly claims that her underage. children were assaulting their cousins. and assaulting each other, and they had. abused 20 neighborhood kids because. they're I guess essentially sex addicts, which by the way, this is I mean, it's a. completely it's a lie. I don't know what. else to say. We don't even know exactly. how Ruby has levied these accusations.

It's just a very messy situation. But it. just goes to show how gross they are. Yeah. So, she's not hasn't changed at. all. No. And there is no truth to. anything that she's saying. It's just. like it's just extremely vile. Especially because by law, once an. accusation like this is levied against a. child, they will automatically have to. be placed in a home without any other. children until an investigation is done.

A lot of netizens believe Ruby is still. torturing her children from. prison. Adam from part two, do you. remember Adam his he went to marriage. counseling with his wife and Ruby tried. to put him in prison, accused him of. essaying his one-year-old daughter. It. was a mess. Adam from part two, he says. he wouldn't really be surprised if this. is an accusation that they definitely. uttered because he says this is exactly. what Jod does. And now Ruby is taking. one out of her playbook, accusing people.

of being predators to hide their own. crimes. That's what they do. They say, "Oh, my victim. No, no, no. They're not. victims. They're predators." He says, "Jod and Ruby are doing what Jod. normally does to full-grown men, which. is accuse them of heinous crimes and. then torture them relentlessly while. accusing them of being terrible people. But now the only problem is they're. doing that to children. To children that. they tortured and abused. Not the only. problem, but an even bigger.

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Yeah. What do you mean? They're like. together in jail. Ruby is in jail with. this cellmate. And this cellmate had. seen Jod around. So she knows both of. them. She's seen both of them. And Ruby. in the cell, all she's doing is fixating. on Jod. She's not asking about her kids. She's not wondering about her kids. She's not repenting. She's not. remorseful. She's like, "I'm complaining. because why are Jod and I separated?". According to the. cellmate, she's confused why they're. separated. Ruby apparently said, "God,

how long are they going to keep us in. here? Why did they separate me and Jod? I don't understand why they would. separate me and my friend." The former. cellmate says, quote, "Ruby was really, really concerned about Jod. She said she. wanted to talk to her, wanted to see. her." And the cellmate was like, "Oh, that's your friend. I saw her briefly.". She's like, "Oh, what did she say? How. did she act? Did she say anything at. all?". Uh, she seemed pretty distraught. She. didn't want to talk about anything at. all. She was crying a lot. Her eyes were. swollen really bad. Kind of like. squinted. You could hardly see her eyes.

She looked pretty distressed. I said I. asked Jodie why she was in jail. Jod. looked at me, not really with a smile, not really with a frown, but with a. straight face and said, "I'd rather not. say." So, I said, "Okay, okay. I. apologize. I wasn't trying to invade. your privacy." And uh, that was it. Ruby. is like intently listening to her. recount her experience meeting Jodie, to. which Ruby says, "Yeah, yeah, that's. that's what I thought she would be like, "Yeah, that's what I thought.". Nevertheless, I don't think Ruby's jail.

time is going particularly badly. There. is a picture circulating that shows Ruby. and other inmates sitting criss-cross on. the floor, holding their hands out, touching each other on the chest like. they're doing a bonding, breathing yoga. exercise. I'm all for adequate programs. to rehabilitate inmates so that when. they do re-enter society, they have a. fighting chance at being a positively. contributing member of society, but it. rubs people a lot in the wrong ways. On. top of that, people have taken to.

zooming in on the whiteboard behind the. inmates and it's filled with random. quotes like teach to learn, but also one. phrase in particular stands out to. people. See and speak truth. Is Ruby out here teaching everyone. principles right now in prison? It's. also stated that she's training in jail. to be a yoga teacher and there were only. 20 inmates selected for this program and. she was one of the 20. To which one. person comments calling it now she is.

going to get way too into yoga and start. an underground yoga wellness cult in her. prison. Another person says, "I hate. that she looks calm and clean. Yuck.". But others say, "Well, Sherry wrote in. her book about Ruby. I don't have a. desire to see her destitute. My hope is. that she can use this time to educate. herself so that upon release, she can. find a way to survive, have a small. house and a quiet life far away from. me." One person comments, "I think. that's how I feel about Ruby, too. Ruby.

is facing 4 to 30 years in prison." What. do you mean 4 to 30 years? In 4 years, she could get probation and get. released. Jod has also plead guilty to. the same charges. But again, does she. feel remorse? In a recorded jail house. call, Jod rants. She's like sobbing, by. the way, that she's the victim. Nobody. wants the truth. Nobody wants the truth. Nobody wants the truth because these. kids, it's all the devil. You've seen. him. I mean, I've known you what for 5. years. You've watched him come at me.

Come at me. Come at me. Come at me. And. he uses these kids, the adults, the. parents that don't hold the kids. accountable. So now it's it's abusive to. make a kid sleep on the floor. That's. abusive. Or it's abusive to, you know, that's ridiculous. It's. ridiculous. You can't even raise your. kids anymore. They're not even her kids. About the. actual evidence, the evidence photos of. the abuse, Jod says, "We didn't do that. We didn't do that. Those pictures we did. not do. He did that to himself. Yes. Did.

we put that on him and then he rubbed. around and cut himself? Yes. But we. didn't do that.". She also says her going to prison is. part of the Lord's work. Yeah, thank the. Lord. Lock her up, right? But she claims. that the Lord says before the second. coming that they shall lay their hands. on you. They shall prosecute you. She. says she cried because it felt like God. was telling her this is her purpose and. that she will be saved. She says, "But. when I get out of here, I have a story. to tell and I'm going to try to do. everything I can to protect the children.

because that's what's happening. It's, you know, like the kids are being. horribly. abused. But when it comes down to her. pleading guilty and her sentencing, she. has the audacity to stand in front of. the judge and say, "I sincerely love. these children. I desire for them to heal physically and. emotionally. One of the reasons I did. not go to trial is that I did not want. them to emotionally relive the. experience, which would have been. detrimental to them. My hope and prayer.

is that they will heal and move forward. to have a beautiful life. I'm willing to. submit to what the state feels would be. an appropriate amount of time served to. make retribution as an outcome. Which. one nezen points out, I didn't go to. trial because I didn't want to make the. children relive what happened to them is. a really funny way of saying I don't. feel like listening to my victims. explain what I did to them. The judge. states politely, "Okay, Miss Hildebrand, the circumstances are tragic, and it's.

largely, of course, of your making. By. any measure, your conduct in this case. was disastrous for these children. Adults are supposed to protect children. Adults with specialized training in. particular are supposed to protect. children. You did not do that in this. case. In this case, you terrorize the. children, and the results have been. tragic.". Side note, even since both of them were. arrested, Jod has been a manipulative. sleas ball. I mean, there's no eloquent. way of putting it. When Jod is first. brought into the police station, she. does this thing where she tries to act.

like the cop's friends, but also lets. them know that her attorney is just. super annoying. She says, "So, I trust. my attorney." He said, "Don't say. anything." And I said, "I have nothing. to hide." And he's like, "I know that, but just let me be there with you when. we talk." So, you guys seem nice people. Yeah. I'm not anything. Not trying to be. difficult. This is really, if you knew. all the pieces, I think you'd have a lot. of empathy for what was going on. That's.

really what we're looking for. That's. what we're looking for. And you're an. adult. And the thing about our. interview, if we ask you any questions. that you don't want to answer, you can. just tell us. I don't want to answer. that question. I' I'd like to just tell. you, but I don't I don't know who you. are. I don't know if you're going to. flip my words. I I don't know. And. that's the good thing about cameras, everything. It's pretty much double. recorded audio, video, and it's for the. safety of for you and for us cuz we. don't want to flip your words. And this. will all be pretty much right there to. support you. So, we're not going to use.

anything against you. Be so insistent, then. He's an honest, good man. Goes to. church. I trust him. Why would he say. that to me then? I don't know. I don't I. don't know. your attorney be honest. Well, I'm just saying he's he's a he's a. good honest man and I'm an honest person. as well, so we get along great. And he. just said, "Do not say anything.". I don't know. I don't know what's going. to happen with what I say. I'm a. psychologist. I've watched people flip. things all the time, so I get it. You.

know, I sit on your side. I get it. I. wish people didn't do that, but they do. The officer would later say she was. clearly trying to manipulate us in that. moment. I'm a therapist. I'm with you. guys on this. I would love to share, but. my attorney told me not to, but I want. to. I want to be. forthcoming. Meanwhile, Ruby doesn't say. anything at all during the whole arrest. So, she drives back to Jod's home, gets. arrested. She doesn't look scared. She. doesn't look sad or mad. She looks. completely blank, indifferent, stoic. I.

think I would have to put in more effort. to make my face so devoid of any and all. emotions. She doesn't even respond to a. single thing they ask. Do you want. water? Are you okay? Do you want a. snack? She just stares and blinks. Uh, what's your home address? How many kids. do you have? Nothing. It's going to be. two counts seconddegree felony of child. abuse or neglect. Okay. Do you. understand that or.

no? Are you okay? I'm wondering if there's like a medical. clearance that needs to You're sure you. don't need medical attention or anything. like that? She came back voluntarily or so she she. came back to get arrested. Yes. Okay. Now, the officer says it was creepy. It.

was awkward. The officer later says, "I. mean, she just really seemed like she. was looking through me. I would ask her. a question and she would just stare and. give me three really long blinks. It was. more like Morse code." The only phrase. that she would utter after arrest is. I'll wait till I have a lawyer. Okay. And kind of smirks. That's it. So, both. of them are sentenced to four to 30. years. Technically, both of them could. be out in a few years. Wow. In a. previous podcast episode, Ruby says, "I.

strongly disapprove of attacking. I. strongly disapprove of abuse. I think. all of us could get on board with, "Yeah, I have righteous anger towards. adults abusing children." She's. basically saying, "Attacking and abusing. is bad, but you can have righteous anger. against adults abusing children." Well, guess who also likely has anger towards. adults abusing children? Likely fellow. inmates. So, now that Ruby and Jod have been. arrested and sentenced, there are a lot. of people online questioning whether or.

not Kevin should also be arrested, at. least for negligence. In an interview, Kevin's attorney states that he was. completely taken off guard by these. allegations online. As for why Kevin. wasn't seeing or checking up on the. kids, his attorney states, "I totally. understand the confusion that was the. big question in my mind." He states that. people don't understand that Kevin was. desperately trying to keep the family. together. Ruby was the one calling the. shots. She's the one that asked him to. leave and not contact the children. As. for Jodie, Kevin sees her as the.

spearhead towards essentially destroying. his entire life and family. There is. this really awkward moment where Kevin's. attorney is asked. One of the. allegations is that Chad wasn't allowed. to sleep in a bed for 7 months. Why did. you he think that was okay? I can't. comment on that. I have a duty to my. client to the court not to comment on. that question. But even Sherry, Kevin's own daughter, tried harder than Kevin to protect the. kids. She's one of the kids that needs. protecting. I mean, what's kind of wild. is that Kevin is also advocating for CPS.

to have better procedures to catch abuse. earlier on, which I do think is a noble. cause, but a lot of netizens are upset. that it's coming from Kevin. He. explains, quote, it's frustrating for me. to hear the story of police officers as. they said, you know, they were standing. on the front porch and they could see. the children and they could see my. former wife through the window ignoring. them. and they said even with all the. reports, all the red flags that were. given to them by our oldest daughter. Sherry and by our neighbors, they still. could not intervene. Eventually, they. had to leave because the judge would not.

sign off on them forcing entry into the. home. Kevin also goes on to express. frustration and he said the police never. called him. But he does say DCFS, Department of Children and Family. Services, aka CPS, called him. repeatedly, but because he was. brainwashed by Jod and Ruby, he did not. pick up the phone. To which one of the. topliked comments reads, "When you. haven't seen your kids in a year and CPS. calls you, you don't ignore it. He was. complicit and needs to take. accountability. What a narcissist.".

Another comment reads, "The police. checked on his children more than he. did, but he claims he was so lost in the. sauce that he believed in Jod as much as. Ruby did." The Hulu documentary. producers ask him, "Did you really. believe this was the end of the world, that Christ was returning?" "Oh, absolutely." "But if the world was. ending, did it occur to you that maybe. you wouldn't go to heaven? Maybe you'd. go to hell?" Never. It never crossed my. mind because we were preparing for it. and we weren't alone. Which a lot of.

people are split about this. Some people. believe that Kevin and Ruby both failed. their kids, but because Ruby helped. physically torment and abuse their. children, whereas Kevin just left and. stayed brainwashed. Allegedly, they. think that Kevin is less culpable. But. others say no. Think back at everything. that's happened before Jod even came. into the Frankie lives. remember the. first internet cancellation of Ruby. Frankie? And I say internet cancellation. when personally it just feels like. abuse, but for the sake of keeping the. charges separate from the internet.

warning signs. But when Chad revealed. that he hadn't slept on a bed in 9. months, he was sleeping on a bean bag. Kevin was one of the first people to. defend the situation in a vlog by. stating, "The things that we show and. share and the things that many of you. are criticizing and calling abusive are. actually things that mental health. professionals have counseledled us to. do." So he was very firm. he believed in. all of this. Even later, he tells. authorities that he supported his wife. through helping Chad quote choose honest. and responsible choices. He also says.

that was what the internet uproar was, right? Indicating he does not side with. the internet and the public's view even. a year few years down the line, but. rather he sides with. Ruby. He argues later in People. magazine, "A lot of the physical. violence that was described was hidden. and kept from me. I didn't even know. those things happened." And I think Ruby. was really careful to hide a lot of that. from me. As far as the things like. sleeping on the bean bag, removing Chad. from sports teams and things, all of. those directives came from Jod, the. licensed mental health counselor. I.

definitely voiced my opposition and. concern. And it was always flipped back. onto me saying, "Well, this is why your. children are disobedient. This is why. you're having problems with your. children because you just enable them. all the time. You are the problem, Kevin.". But Kevin is also there recording when. Ruby is yanking their youngest daughter. off the table and screaming at her for. interrupting the vlog. He's the one that. laughs and says cut in front of the. camera lens with his two fingers. So, is. it all Ruby and Jod hiding the. escalating abuse from Kevin? Or did.

Kevin have a pretty good idea that this. was happening? August 30th, 2023, when. the two youngest are rescued, Kevin is. in the interview room with detectives. answering questions. Was that was that. tape out or? Yes. When they rescued the. kid, they brought him in immediately. Kevin came to the police station when he. heard about it. Oh, this is crazy. Okay, so Ruby and Jod both know that R, the. young boy, had escaped. So, they're. going around the neighborhood looking. for R. And that's when Jod realizes the.

police are at the neighbor's house. A. bunch of ambulance are coming. She's. like, that's why she's on the phone with. her attorney when the police come to. search her home. Ruby was out looking. for R. So, she's driving around the. road. She gets a call from Jodie like, "Hey, the police like they're it's it's. over. It's done." She calls Kevin and is. like, "I need you to go to the police. station and pick up the kids. Tell them. that they're fine. Everything's fine. The kids are lying. Blah blah blah.". She's like, "Bring them home. I trust. you." Kevin thinks, "This is my time to.

shine. I'm going to get Ruby back. This. is my time to step up and be the husband. she needs me to be." He shows up at the. police station. The police are asking, "Who told you to come here?" He's like, "I'd rather not say. still trying to protect Ruby." So, are. we going to see when he actually find. out what happened like in that moment? Yes. So, his whole reaction and all of. that. Okay. Now, you know, he says there. was a no contact boundary. Did you have. a no contact order in place order? No.

This was between me and my wife. Aka, he's saying he did not have a legal. requirement to stay away. It's just kind. of shitty that he didn't do anything for. his kids. So, they ask, "Did she ask you. not to contact the. kids?" Ruby invited me to leave the home. while I thought about the choices that. I've made in my life in the way that. I've treated her, so I left. Is there. custodial paperwork that denies you of. your rights to the kids? No. No. custodial paperwork at all. This was. just a verbal agreement between my wife.

and I. I'm curious, when you guys had. the previous eight passengers YouTube. channel, you guys um got a lot of heat. for neglect and child abuse, a lot of. people commented those things on there. Why were those Why were they commenting. those things? This is happening on that. day. It was that night that the kids. were rescued. I mean, it it had been. pretty much the whole day, it seems. Oh, so they already picked up all these. information. Yes. Like, a passenger, you. guys did this, you guys had. controversies. Boom, boom, boom. I mean. by that point if you Google eight.

passengers is probably the first few. articles that come up. They were known. mainly for their controversy rather than. for being YouTubers. I see. Now they're. asking a lot of people commented those. things on there. Why were they. commenting those things? That's a good. question. I mean we had a son who was. acting out in a very selfish behavior. He chose to sleep on a bean bag. So 9. months later he made a lot of changes in. his life. He was ready to move into his. own bedroom. made a video about it. In. the video, he mentioned something to the.

effect of, "I've been sleeping for nine. months on a bean bag." That is what the. uproar was. about. Who is this female Jodie that. your wife lives with? She is a therapist. and a life coach. Do you respect her? Yeah, I think she's a very honest and. truthful person. I know her to be an. honest and very trustworthy individual. He's also asked, "During your marriage, how was disciplining your kids? How. would you discipline your kids?" Yeah, I'm not going to answer that question. Are you aware of the physical condition. of your children? No. No. I've chosen to.

trust my wife with my children. That was. part of the agreement of our separation. My job is to financially provide. The. police start filling him in on what's. happening. They say, "So, I don't recall. the exact time, but re we received a. phone call from our dispatch that a. 12-year-old boy was knocking on doors. asking for food and water. He was. severely emaciated." Kevin, university. professor of civil engineering, says, "What is emaciated, which a lot of. nizens think that he's playing innocent. and dumb, like who knows?" But the cops.

continue, "Skinny, scrawny, malnutrition, not enough food and water. to sustain life." I'm sorry, what? He. had duct tape on his extremities, on his. hands, on his ankles. There were rope. burns that were used to tie him down. Take a second and think about what I. just said. That's the condition of your. son. Given that information, your son. was taken to the hospital. A warrant has. been applied and granted by the. Department of Child and Family Services. to remove them from your wife's care. So, no. No one right now is going to. have access to these two children based.

on their physical condition. Do you. understand that? I understand. Would you. condone that. behavior? Would I condone that behavior? No. Again, I don't know the details. Uh. I don't know what's going on, but as you. described that, that sounds horrible. Does he sound like he was worried for. the kids in that moment? Not. extensively. Maybe it's shock. Maybe. it's I mean, there are some reports that. Jod convinced the. whole Ruby and Kevin Frankie that police.

were evil and they were going to be bad. players in the second coming. He's not. crying. He's not emotional. Again, maybe. he's in shock, but one of the first. things he asks after this line of. questioning, after being told that his. son and his daughter were emaciated, he. says, "What's going to happen?" It's my. wife. I love my. wife. Charges against my wife. I think. given the circumstances, that's highly. appropriate. But again, he tells the.

authorities that again after they tell. him that his kids have to be. hospitalized because they did not have. enough food or water to sustain life, he. says, "I trust her. I love my wife and I. trust my wife. I trust her, but I love. my wife and I trust my wife. If he. didn't leave the house, if he was at the. house, it sounded like he will still. carry on this energy of I trust her. I. trust her. This is why devils, we need. to discipline the kids. We need to do. this. He's been this way for so long. It's like when would he have put his. foot down? I guess we would never know.

Yeah, I would expect this is the moment. he realized, oh he says, I mean, this feels like getting run over by a. steam truck. What you're sharing with me. today, I'm interested in all the facts, but you understand our facts are that. you have a child that is emaciated, malnutrition that has marks. I don't. know what to do. I, you know, you realize that I have a. picture of my family on my wall and I. look at it every day and I work and I. work. He slams his hand down on the.

table. And I look at it every day and I. work. I work every. day so I. can back to my family and save my. family. What you're sharing with me just. sounds like a madeup story. I have no. idea what you're talking about. It. sounds like a horror movie this point. It does sound like he's genuinely lost. Like he doesn't understand that this is. actually happening. He puts his hands up. to cover his face and he starts sobbing.

But then he says, "And I get that you're. all doing your jobs. I get it. I. understand. But this is my wife. I just. want my kids. I just want my kids. I. don't know what's going on. I don't know. why these things you described happened. I don't know." It's almost like I just. want to say, "I'm sorry. You must have. somebody else." Because it's like, "Am I. in the right conference room right now? I'm having a hard time accepting this. and dealing with this. You're telling me. you're taking my kids from me? Over the. past year, we've had zero communications. regarding the kids. I've had no reason.

to believe or think that there was. anything going on for all intents and. purposes. I woke up this morning looking. at the picture of my family and making. my commitment today, as I do every day, that I'm willing to live an honest and. virtuous and responsible life today. And. what you're sharing with me just feels. like a sucker punch. What you're sharing. with me feels like a sucker. punch. if I still have a family. Yeah. And um I I don't know what my plan how I. plan to go to God. Sure. And I figured.

this out, right? I am just heartbroken. what you all are sharing with me. I feel. responsible. I wish I was a better husband. Sir, you. have six kids. Be a better dad. He says, "I just want my family back. I just want. my wife back. He later admits in the documentary that. during the interrogation, he quote, "I. was afraid to do anything that would. point them towards Ruby." Why? Because I.

was trying to protect her. And one part. of this whole story that some netizens. who really do not like Kevin keep. pointing out and with valid reason is. first of all, the interview with the. police he does does not seem like he's. that concerned about his kids at all. and later he tries to sue Sherry, the. eldest daughter, the one that tried the. hardest to protect the two youngest. Kevin is in the parking lot of the local. police station. There's body cam footage. of this. The officers hand over two. bins, like laundry bins, filled with. notebooks, journals, a MacBook. He's got.

his trunk open. He's surveying. everything inside of each bin almost a. little too slowly. Like he's taking. inventory of every single journal that's. in there. And it prompts the officers to. ask him, "Is it all there?" Uh, yes. Yeah. Explain to me again why this was. not robbery. Basically, Sherry went into. the family home with a few officers to. collect some of her belongings. She. collected a few journals and the. passports of her parents, which by the.

way, I think you can draw your own. conclusions from that, but it feels like. she's trying to prevent them from. fleeing almost. I don't know why she would need their. passports. She collects their passports. and a few other things from the home. under police surveillance. She leaves. the house. Kevin goes into the house. He. freaks out because he's missing those. things. He calls the police. They're. like, "Oh, maybe your daughter took. them. We escorted her to the house to. pick up a few things." He's like, "This. is robbery. She's not allowed in the. house." She willingly just returns it.

all to the police station. She's like, "Okay." I mean, if he wants it back, it's fine. Gives it to them. They give. it back to him. And he's like, "How is. this not robbery?" That's crazy. So, it's very clear that he still placed. Ruby in front of his child. Yeah. Right. Very clear. He's protecting Ruby's. interest cuz that's my wife and I's. passport. Yeah. Yeah. And the police. tell him because it's a civil issue. You. guys are a family. She's been in the. house before. You haven't been in the. house in a year. She had interest in. those items. She didn't take them with.

the intention to deprive you of them. So, that's the theft code. We have to. prove intent to deprive you of the. items. And this wasn't her intent in. having them. So, the detective sergeant. said, "We're not going to charge her. with anything." Kevin is standing there. shutting his eyes closed like he's. infuriated by all of this. Okay, I'll. have to do some more research on that. You're welcome to do that if you want to. follow up with the detective yourself. Kevin had this whole little blip in the. timeline where he is married to the idea. of suing his own daughter Sherry for.

burglary, which is just so strange. considering the police are like, "You. have no grounds to press charges. What. are you saying right now? And this is. like a while later. This is not the. first day, right? Yeah. It's like a few. days. I would maybe like a week or two. later. So, it's not no longer in the. shock of I just want to protect my wife. Yes. It is very bizarre. Very bizarre. So, a lot of netizens think it's just. very telling that Kevin is wanting to. wage lawsuits against his firstborn. child. Now, Sherry specifically took her.

parents' passports, which again, very. interesting. More interesting when you. hear from Jesse Hildebrand, Jod's niece, that when Jod was going through. everything, her issues in court with. Adam, she fled the country briefly. Oh, Jod did. Mhm. Just seems like maybe. there was an idea, maybe there was a. thought, maybe there was a suspicion, an. inkling, a gut feeling, intuition. Speaking of the journals that were taken. from the home and subsequently returned. to Kevin, there is an aspect of this.

case that hasn't been uncovered quite. yet. And those are the pen papers. Apparently, Jod instructed Ruby to write. down all of her visions in a. leatherbound journal that they called. the pen papers. Nobody else was allowed. to read these pen papers. This is. separate from the journal that was. discovered and was entered into. evidence, which was Ruby's documentation. of the torture that happened. This is. separate. In a separate police. interview, Kevin asks, "Have you found. the pen papers?" The police tell him, "We have Ruby's journal." No. So she.

would she wouldn't write that stuff she. wrote in the pen papers. She would not. write that in her journal. The stuff she. wrote in the pen papers was not intended. to be read by anybody until God would. decree them to be written into scripture. for the whole world to read. So it. described all the visions and transes. and everything that Jod and Ruby went. into. If you're wondering what kind of. visions Jod would have, Kevin says that. one of her visions is Jod walking along. the beach with someone next to her, Jesus. He stops and he turns to her.

Walk on the water. Jod would have these. visions of her walking on the water with. the heavenly father and the heavenly. mother. And she learned that in heaven. she had this massive pet lion named. Charles. She would ride around this pet. lion. And Charles is the giant pet. She. would write on. it. I don't even Yeah. I don't know. Are. we sure she's not on drugs? A lot of. people believe whatever is in those pen. papers would provide much more. information on how much Kevin was.

involved exactly. But other netizens. disagree. They say if he was involved, then finding those pen papers would. probably incriminate him. Now, side. note, it does seem like the police did. find a leatherbound notebook, but it was. revealed to have been empty. And there. are speculations that a third party, Pam, a woman named Pam, went in and. allegedly tossed out the pen papers. We. don't know for sure. That is the. speculation. That is the netizen. argument. That is the conspiracy. And I. don't think that with Ruby and Jod being.

behind bars, things are over. A recent. civil lawsuit was filed by a man named. Michael who states that his ex-wife, the. mother of his children, is still a. devoted follower of Ruby and Jod. She. refuses to acknowledge their arrest and. their guilty p. She is on board with. connections still to this day. Who is. this? This is a couple that went into. marriage counseling with Jod. This is. not Pam. No, this is not Pam. But he's. saying like, "My wife fully believes. this stuff still to this day." So now.

are divided on who to mainly blame. Everyone's to blame. But who is the most. to blame has been a conversation. There's a huge group of people that are. concerned that Jod might get away with. less time and repercussions than Ruby. because of a huge focus of this case has. been Ruby for obvious reasons. these are. her children that she has the duty to. protect that she failed. But. additionally, she has the YouTube. audience. A lot of people are terrified. that if Jod gets out, she's going to go. straight back into counseling. One. Redditor explains that her husband was. in the group counseling for 7 years.

They spent over. $100,000 on Jod's counseling programs. And over the years, it just taught them, brainwashed them into thinking that the. husband was this perverse monster that. needed to be watched out for. Jod would. also just do some really odd things. She. said, "One week, one especially odd week. my husband attended, one man was. struggling with looking at gay porn, and. they decided this man wasn't actually. gay, but just hadn't received enough. healthy touch from his father growing. up." So, Jod said the cure to this.

healthy masculine touch, they made my. husband lay down and cuddle him, spooning him the whole meeting. It was. just strange. Men would switch off every. week who were supposed to cuddle him. So. every week they had a different person. cuddling him. So a lot of people think. that Jod is doing all of this because. she is very upset at the world that she. grew up in a conservative household that. did not allow her to be who she is, which is not an excuse. It just seems. like this is a reoccurring theme that.

keeps happening and she keeps taking her. anger out on people. Sherry writes in. her book, "A part of me pied her, a. repressed, self-loathing, deeply damaged. woman trapped in an environment in which. she felt compelled to conceal her true. nature, surrounded by women who she. couldn't have, women who were married to. men she resented. In her mind, this was. her only path to justice, crush the. sperm donors, and liberate the. females." Other people think Jod's bad,

but it's still Ruby and Kevin's duty to. protect their own kids. A lot of nizens. say that you can brainwash each other. Yeah, you can all you want, but nobody. could brainwash them into harming their. kids. That's what netizens with children. feel. One person comments, "When the. little boy was asked who put the duct. tape on him, who poured pepper and honey. into his wounds, he told authorities it. was his mom." Another netzen writes, "She was happy for the kids to be abused. until she was caught. Then it was. someone else's fault and she was. controlled by Jod. I think she's worse.

than Jod. She allowed her own children. to be abused and that's gross. Or. another reading, "Does she not realize. she's worse than Jod? These are her. kids. She tored her kids for years and. enjoyed it." One netizen comment says, "Crazy that when Jod was possessed, she. invited her into their home and Ruby. slept in the bed with her, comforting. her, but when her kids are quote. possessed, she chained them up and. almost took their lives." I would say. that most nizens believe that both Jod. and Ruby are equally at fault. And yes, Jod has been wanting to do this to.

people. She had been doing this to. people like her own niece, Jesse. Hildebrandt. But Ruby clearly had. something deep inside of her that let. this happen. Adam, another victim of. Jod's from part two, says, "Now, here's. what I do want to say. I don't like Ruby. Frankie, but I don't know her. I just. think that you have to be a selfish. person to fall for Jod's stuff. She's. got a certain kind of carrot that gets a. certain kind of people. But Ruby Frankie. would have never done any of this stuff. if Jodie Hildebrandt hadn't been the. mastermind." and just completely created.

this. Sherry, Ruby's own daughter, states in the new documentary, "Looking. back on it, I don't think Ruby's a good. person. I think she was already an. abusive mother before and then obviously. it escalated dramatically in the last. couple of years." And the fact that Ruby. went as far as she did, I wouldn't blame. that on Jodie. She just set off things. in Ruby that were already in her heart. But one person that does not get talked. about as much is a woman named Pam. Botcher. Pam is the president of. Connections Foundation, who also happens.

to be a mother of seven and a. grandmother of 14. If you go on the. Connections website, it's all about. Jodie, Pam, and Ruby. They were known as. the Three Musketeers. Now, not that. Kevin is arguably the most credible. person according to the internet in this. case, but in one police interview, he. mentions again, if they find the pen. papers, quote, if you're interested in. Pam Botcher, that's going to tie Pam. Botcher to all of this. What's in those. documents? What's in the pen papers? And. Pam is accused by netizens of going in.

and getting rid of the pen papers before. the police get access to them. The two. teenage daughters were found not in the. Frankie house. So, the two youngest kids. were found in Jodie Hildebrand's house, which was like 300 miles away from the. Frankie home. The Frankie house was. empty. Police knocked down the doors. They searched the entire place, cleared. it. The kids are not in there. The kids. are eventually found in Pam Botcher's. house. They track them down. They find. the two middle children, the two teenage.

daughters, and they're asking Pam, "Why. do you have these children with you?". And she says, "Well, I'm having guests. coming and she came and she did some. cleaning for me." Talking about the. teenage girls. Well, I'm having guests. coming and she came and did some. cleaning for me. That is crazy. Pam and. her husband are standing in the doorway, not letting the officers in, but also. not leaving the house, which the. officers are instructing. The officers. do have a warrant for Pam's home, but. it's in his car, and he doesn't want to. risk anything happening to the girls who.

are right there in the living room. behind Pam and her husband. So, they're. demanding like, "We just need to see. that the girls are okay. Like, we have a. warrant. It's in the car. Like, we got. to" And again, maybe some people are. rude, but I would be concerned. I would. not be annoyed or ticked off if the. police were making sure two children in. my home were okay. However, the part. that really gets me about Pam is the. officer is trying to explain that she's. just detained. She's not under arrest. They simply have to make sure the. children are okay. They say, "As long as. she's not tied up and bound because,".

and Pam responds, "I did make her scrub. the floor." Those are my friends. daughters. Okay. So, your friend's. daughters then? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Is. Ruby Frankie's daughter? Okay. She's a. friend of ours. She comes over and helps. me every once in a while to do cleaning. and stuff. And they vacuumed and stuff. And I have company coming tonight out. from Costa Rica, but she she did she did. do this on her own free will. Pam claims. Ruby called her earlier to ask her to. pick up the girls because she had a.

family emergency. Didn't go into detail. on what it was according to Pam. Pam. continues, "She said, would you mind. watching the girls while I'm gone?" She. was leaving. I said, "Yeah, I did that. because I need some help cleaning. I. just have house guests coming tonight.". So I said, "Yeah, that'd be great. Could. they come clean?" And she said, "Yeah, they'd love to do that." Do you remember. in part one, Ruby was obsessed with them. cleaning and like they would clean the. baseboards? That that would be. punishment for them. Yeah. Yeah. It's. crazy. Also, Pam's husband, has the. energy of a potato that has all of those. green sprouts and is probably poisonous.

He is told that Ruby Frankie, the mother. of the two teenage girls that he likely. just watched scrub his floors, was. arrested for child abuse. He says, "The. biggest thing that bugs me is that my. wife is sitting in a patrol car. That's. the thing that gets me. I feel bad for. my wife. She's sitting there and this is. the first time in the world that I've. ever had a police car sitting in my. driveway. I got all the neighbors. driving by. Does nobody in this entire. town have their head screwed on. straight? Who cares about what John from.

down the street thinks? Get a grip, everyone. Your friend was arrested for. child abuse and you have two of her kids. in your home. He also goes on a whole. unsolicited rant about drug testing. He. comments that there's so many officers. at his house. Now, this is like what. happens uh when there's some big drug. bust or something. You can run a. background check on me. We're not too. concerned with that right now, sir. Been. drug tested. I've been everything, you. know. Is that the only way to detain. someone though? Is to put them in. handcuffs. Again, concerned about his.

wife. Pam is fine. Pam's a grown-up. It's fine. Is there not one single adult. in this case that cares about children. more than themselves and fellow adults? I'm so. perplexed. Pam's going to be fine. She's. in the back of a cop car AC blasting. They probably have the radio on for her. She's fine. And then he goes back to, "At least you guys uh at least you guys. don't have the lights flashing, right? That would be even worse. I never had a. police car in my. driveway." Later, when more officers. arrive to question Pam, she says. confidently that the kids were here to.

clean her house. She also stops. mid-sentence, mouth a gape, just staring. at the road. And she says, "Oh, I was. going to say if that was one of my. neighbors, that would be. embarrassing." She complains, "I know. you were just here trying to do your. jobs, but these girls come to clean my. house, and pretty soon I'm in the back. of a police car, and I'm like, oh my. gosh. I mean, I know it's not your. fault. You're just trying to do your. job, but I don't even watch scary police. shows or anything. I'm such a. scaredy-cat." Okay, pick me, Pam. A. netizen comments, "In all these.

interviews, not one person who is. detained or questioned asked if the. children were okay. Not one." Another. comments, "Why is the couple not shocked. that their friends are being accused of. child abuse? They need to be. investigated as well. Picking up your. good friend's kids to have them clean. your house. Zero concern when hearing. about the child abuse allegations. They're all in some sort of child abuse. cult, it seems.". Jod's niece, Jesse, says that they. remember Pam back in the day when they. were held captive in Jod's home. They. state, "When I was living with Jod, Pam.

Botcher was around. She was Jod's best. friend, and I didn't realize that she. was connected in this." I mean, I have. very strong feelings towards Pam because. of um not what she was directly. applying. She wasn't actually involved, but she was one of the people that was. constantly surveilling the surveillance. of reporting back to Jod. Sherry states. in her book about Jodie, Ruby, and Pam, and not in like an accusatory way, but. she just states they were the three. musketeers of the apocalypse, ready to. follow each other, literally to the ends.

of the earth. Again, any and all. allegations against Pam Botcher are. completely just netizen speculations. She has not been charged of any crime, nor has she been considered a public. suspect of any case, but it's just. something that has made people think, which brings us to Kevin. Now, I do want. to mention one thing about Kevin. I. think Kevin is very complicated. I know. a lot of people online seem to have very. strong opinions about Kevin, especially. with this new documentary coming out. I. don't think it's doing him any favors, and I'm hoping to summarize both sides. But it seems like Kevin is trying to be.

a part of his children's lives. But more. importantly, his children are working on. rebuilding their relationship with. Kevin. And I think for that alone, I. don't think it's my place to have an. opinion. In defense of Kevin, one Reddit. post reads, "Please help connection. solitude program. Has anyone heard of. the solitude thing? I have a friend who. is in the connections group for over a. year and I've seen the extreme negative. effects that it's had on his self-esteem. and overall happiness levels and it. seems to be destroying his marriage. But. recently things went up 10 notches when.

he sent out texts telling his family and. friends that he will no longer be. communicating with them at all and he. wouldn't be communicating with his own. wife either. It has been about 2 months. since anyone has heard from him. He. didn't even call or text his mom for. Mother's Day. He says he's doing his. time of solitude until his connection. with God has improved. We are all. extremely worried about him. Any advice. would help greatly, especially if anyone. has information on this solitude. program. Thanks in advance. One person. comments, I'm so sorry. I also drink the. Kool-Aid for about 10 minutes. I think. the individuals who are doing this,

they're trying to set boundaries. So, I. get the feeling the more you pry and try. to have contact, the more they see this. as control. So, they're saying this is a. thing that Jod does consistently. She. forces men out of their families and. refuses to let them have contact with. any of their family members. So, people. think she was trying to do this with. Adam, Adam Paul Steed from part two. Maybe she did this with Kevin Frankie as. well. Kevin was asked by authorities why. he and Ruby had separated and he said. the reasons are because of ways that I.

treated my wife and um of my own. addictions that I was working through. and seeking help on with uh. so a lot of people in support and in. defense of Kevin think that the same. thing that happened to Adam is now. happening to Kevin the same process. Sherry does write in her book that Kevin. even noticing a attractive woman at the. gym was evidence of his astronomical.

level of distortion and even speaking to. a female coworker would be an. unspeakable crime. Kevin later states, "I think it's relatively easy for. somebody out here who's armchairing this. and looking at this experience going, well, why didn't he just do that? I. would have done that if it was day one. and Jod came to me and said, yeah, you're selfish. You need to go into. separation and repent." I would have. told her to take a hike, but he's saying. the indoctrination was slow. He's asked, "Why didn't you stand up to say no to. this nonsense?" He says, "I know, and I.

I know, and if I dwell on that question, it eats me alive." So, some netizens. think that he's just a weak man, but. likely not vicious. They think that he. sounds remorseful, and he's probably in. a lot of pain that I mean, we as nizens. cannot really relate to. He says, "I'm. incredibly grateful for the heroics of. my son in saving his life, his sister's. life, and probably his other sisters in. our family as well. He was truly a hero. It's a lot to deal with every day. The. questions of what if, what could have. been, what should have happened, what I.

should have done, what others should. have done, it haunts you. And it's my. struggle and others to learn how to deal. with that and to do what we can to make. the best of our lives moving forward.". Sherry would state, which I'm not saying. I think she's forgiven him or defending. him because he can be a weak man and. still be a horrendous parent and could. face legal repercussions. I'm just. saying. She writes, "Kevin had as much. autonomy as a wet noodle in a. hurricane." But many more nizens think. the main difference between Kevin and. Adam is that Adam actually fought for.

his kids. Kevin did not. Which brings us. to the big group of netzens who are not. fans of Kevin, which it does get worse. by the documentaries release. A lot of. netizens are hung up on the fact that he. talks about Ruby as if she is God's gift. to Earth and he will always put her. before his six children. He says, "A lot. of people will look at me and say, "How. could he ever do that?" I would never do. that. But for those who respectfully ask. me about that and say, "How could you?". My response is that, "Well, who do you. love more than anybody?" And sometimes.

it's a child, sometimes it's a spouse. They say, and I say, "Well, what what. would happen if that individual that you. love more than anybody started to go a. different way and was inviting you and. encouraging you? Would you just easily. be able to let them go out of your life. and say. goodbye?" Kevin has asked, "Do you still. love her?" He says, "Definitely. I've. always loved her. Even though she abused. the kids, you still love her." Oh, yeah. The actions that she did are atrocious, but I still feel a longing. I miss her. all the delivery rooms, all the moments.

holding our children. It's easy for the. world to hate that woman. And so many. people want me to join in on that. chorus. But I cannot turn off all those. other memories. How do you make sense of. all of this? This really is a story of. love, of hope, of family. But this is. also a story of deception, of control, and ultimately it's a story of faith. If. you put your faith in the wrong hands, you could lose everything. Many nizens just can't get over the fact. that sure call it faith, call it love,

call it the devil, call it whatever your. heart pleases, but how can you find out. from the officers that your children are. emaciated, have been taken to the. hospital, and instead of asking how they. are, demanding to see them, asking what. you can do to support them, how do you. just sit there and tell the police that. you trust your wife? Some netizens, for. a lack of better words, they just find. Kevin a little bit hypocritical. In a. recent interview, Kevin says, "Another. thing that I hope people think about. after watching this is the role that. social media and the internet plays in. our lives today. The truth, the.

falsities of it, the dangers that can. come when you place yourself or your. family or your children into the public. spotlight on social media, which is. completely valid, but a lot of netizens. are confused. Like, weren't you the man. that wanted to sell your soul to the. YouTube overlords for $85?" He says, "There's a lot of incentives out there. today to do that, but I hope that people. realize and really stop and recognize, is this really what's best for my kids, not just financially, but emotionally. and. psychologically." Now, Kevin has said.

that he regrets putting his children. online and the whole family vlogging era. of his life. But people think I mean. yeah you could you could try to be an. advocate against family vlogging but I. think the way that he talks about it. people are saying you don't show enough. remorse yet. You just kind of go into. like advocacy mode. It feels weird. Many. netizens also think it's strange that. Kevin is just acting like vlogging was. just Ruby's thing when she was the one. primarily vlogging. Yes. But it seemed. like he reaped the financial benefits of.

putting their children out there. And. the worst part is in a recent interview. with People magazine, he said the things. you see that are concerning in the. documentary, such as the sternness, the. yelling at the kids to get them to. comply in the filming and those kinds of. things. I think a lot of people that. aren't familiar with family content. creation would look at that and go, "That's horrible. That's abusive." And. it is abusive. But what I want people to. understand is that was not unique to our. family. I don't know a single family.

content creator that did not have. interactions like that with their. children. With one outraged nizen writing, "Sir, it is abusive, but we weren't the only. ones doing it. Um, is that your also. raising your voice is not the same as. grabbing your child's face out of anger, as he saw her do while recording it.". Others comment, "I didn't know it was. that bad, sir. You were recording. Make. it make sense, please." Another comment. reads, "A gentle reminder that Kevin. Frankie ordered a cease and desist to.

anyone who raised concerns about the. children's safety and tried to have his. oldest daughter arrested." Kevin's. attorney would argue for Kevin that Jod. was the one that made sure he never saw. the kids because, quote, "She knew how. much he valued their marriage and valued. their family, and it was his desire to. be able to get back with the family and. preserve the marriage." The attorney. continues, "He's a very gentle guy, and. no one's ever made any allegations that. he's ever physically abused those kids. or anyone else. He just wants to do. what's best for his kids and get them. back. Get them under his tutelage and. his fathership to protect them. Many.

nizens feel, I don't buy these excuses. You left for a year and completely cut. your kids off. Your therapist tricked. you into child neglect and abandonment. Yeah, okay. No one's buying it. A lot of. nizens are conflicted, writing, I always. had the impression that Kevin was pretty. weak and just let Ruby take the lead. It's obvious now. It's still hard to. imagine how he saw everything that was. coming out of Jod and he still allowed. her access to the kids with him totally. out of the picture. He was both victim. and perpetrator to some degree. I think. it is the belief of many that Kevin's.

true saving grace are his kids that they. are somewhat in his lives. Otherwise, I. think the internet would rip him apart. I think the fact that Chad is trying to. have a relationship with him, Sherry, I. think while more wary perhaps, she seems. to be open to the idea of one day having. a relationship with him, though she. still calls him Kevin. It seems like. that is his only saving grace. The fact. that Chad even said, "For my dad, I. understand that in order to get his. family back and not run into problems. with my mom and our therapist, he had to. obey her rules and follow each step.".

But one comment just reads, "After. reading Sher Frankie's book, you can see. the extraordinary work that she has done. to be in a better place. And Kevin is. nowhere near his daughter's presence of. mind, which she did with zero assistance. from her father. Kevin needs to work on. his own accountability, lessen the blame. and excuses, and find a backbone that he. never had as a protector." Others think. that Ruby's siblings and parents are. also at fault to some degree. Some. netizens have expressed frustration, stating that the siblings have known, must have known something, and could. have done something to protect the kids.

Bonnie, Ruby's sister, has publicly come. out to condemn Kevin, saying, "The one. person that could have done something. and had the legal right was Kevin. It. was Kevin's job to check in on things, and he did not." She also posted a video. titled, "I am not my sister. I am not my. sister's crimes." Which a lot of nizens. didn't really like the title of that. video. I mean, I get it. A lot of people. were coming on to the siblings saying, "How did you not protect your nieces and. nephews?" But at the same time, I think. as an aunt myself, it's unhinged. Ruby's.

siblings explained that for the past few. years, Ruby and Kevin have pushed them. out of their lives because of they all. hated connections. Bonnie says, "My. thoughts towards Ruby and Jodie and. Kevin and connections as is that it was. all bull crap. It was it was complete. indoctrination of this thing that they. created. I don't agree with how extreme. they are on everything. I knew they were. weird. I knew that they were off. Those.

are the things that we kept quiet about. because what was I going to say? What. was I going to I was not going to come. out and publicly say that I don't like. my sister and I don't like what she's. doing and I think she's weird. That is what we kept quiet about. Julie, another one of Ruby's sisters, says, "We. all saw it. We all felt weird about this. Jodie lady. We didn't we weren't. comfortable with it. We didn't like it. We didn't like the teachings Ruby was. bringing to the family functions and we.

were this close to telling her if you. come to our family events anymore. We do. not want to hear what you were learning. through connections because we don't. like it." We never did say that to her, but we thought it um anyway. So 3 years. ago, Ruby and I hung out do bottling. tomatoes and then a few weeks later crap. hit the fan and she left the family. She. did call my mom and yelled at my mom on. the phone for 45 minutes and accused her. of things that were not true. Basically, I'm here to to say that I had no idea.

what was happening. Like Bonnie. mentioned in her video, we are not going. to let Ruby destroy another thing in our. lives. We have our platforms where we. try and bring brightness and positivity. into other people's lives. And that is. why we didn't talk about Ruby in our. content for the past 3 years. Sherry. writes in her book, "It took around 2 to. 3 years before Ruby would cut ties. entirely with her family. And as I. watched Ruby delete contact after.

contact from her phone, I couldn't help. but wonder, was this healing?" I will. say I don't think it's right for people. to blame Ruby's siblings and parents for. things that they would not have known. because we don't know what they knew. We. don't know how much Ruby was telling. them, how much their nieces and nephews. were disclosing with them. Probably not. much. But I do think a lot of Nzens. didn't like their reactions. It came off. very angry and it came off a little. bizarre. It just felt like there was they wanted.

more sympathy for the process that they. as a family unit were going through. rather than just feeling protective over. their nieces and. nephews. Making things even more. complicated is that most of Ruby's. siblings are family vloggers. Some of. them are more aggressively family. vloggers and some of them are more. vloggers that show their families, which. Sherry has been an incredible advocate. for passing laws for family vlogging and. child influencers. She recently got a. bill passed in Utah legislature and they. are waiting for the governor to just.

sign it to become law. It's a bill aimed. at protecting children of family. vloggers. It would require parents to. set aside a portion of their earnings. into a trust fund for their children. Kind of like if you had a child that was. in Hollywood, you have to set aside. money for them for when they turn 18 if. they're working as a child. And there's. another part of that bill that is when. that child turns 18, they have the right. to request the removal of any and all. content that they are featured in. Utah. is one of the biggest states for family. vlogging. So, this is monumental. And. again, please read Sherry's book. I.

think even if it's like, yeah, family. vlogging is bad. By reading her book, it. does provide such a visceral perspective. that honestly, I think it changed my. brain chemistry on pretty much. everything that has to do with family. vlogging. Sherry stated before, I would. tell myself it doesn't matter what they. say. I know how I feel about myself. I. think I believed that for a while, but I. would always find myself just checking. comments on Instagram, on YouTube, just. to see what people had to say about. whether it was good or bad. It's like, okay, I just want to be aware of what. people are saying, I guess. And.

personally speaking, I could probably. work myself into a full-blown panic. attack just by going and seeking out. negative comments on the internet. And. I'm an adult with a whole support. system. Sherry, I mean, this was when. she was a child. I read through old. snark forums, um, not on Reddit, like a. different website that should never be. named and should not even exist. These. are comments from 2016 before Ruby. Frankie was cancelled. The comments that. people are leaving about Ruby Frankie's.

children, about literal 7-year-olds, were some of the most disgusting things. I've ever read. You would think that. these children committed grave crimes. against. humanity. It was really deplorable. I. mean, I genuinely had a crisis in the. middle of the night one night where I'm. like, who are these people? Are these. adults doing this? Cuz that's crazy. Who. seeks out these forums and goes on to. have lengthy discussions about how much. they hate, first of all, a 7-year-old. child. And second of all, a.

seven-year-old child that they had never. even met before. Sherry details one. comment stuck with her, which was, "Sherry is such a kissass. She's always. riding out her siblings and trying to be. Ruby's favorite. so smug. Sherry. remembers thinking and she writes in her. book, "I'm not sucking up. I'm. surviving. There's a difference." She. says, "Family vlogging ruined my. innocence long before Ruby committed a. crime. I promise you that my experiences. are not unique and are happening to. child influencers all over Utah in the. country." So, this makes everything kind.

of trickier considering Ruby's siblings. Many of them are still making family. blogging content with Sher's cousins. And um some of them have pivoted so they. show way less of their kids now after. everything that's happened, but some of. them have not. One of Ruby's sisters. would even state that her vlogging is. very different from eight passengers. because her kids have a choice. They. have a voice and they have a retirement. fund growing for them when they turn. into adults, which of course netizens. have very mixed feelings about. As for.

Jesse, Jod's niece, they say one of the. worst parts of Jod's abuse is that she. makes you believe that you deserve it. They say I was in it. I believed it real. real strong. Even when all this stuff. was going on with Jod, what made it so. much worse is that I kept on. internalizing it. I fully believed it. I. fully believed that this was God's will. And if I had just put myself over to the. Lord, if I had just prayed more, if I. was more faithful, that all of this. would end up being for good. That I. truly needed everything that Jod was. doing. I deserved it and I needed it. In.

this case, it was really extreme where. the abuse was so extreme. But then if. you bear it then you would get these. moments of immense reward from her and. it's just such a. psychological they continue the. prerequisites of this is already. instilled in the Mormon church of having. to earn love. This has affected my life. forever for the rest of my life. It's. this whole thought of if I try a little. harder if I do a little bit more maybe. they'll love me maybe they'll accept me. It took me over a decade to get to a. point where I didn't think that I was. actually evil. Even their parents did.

not want to face the truth. They. basically told them along the lines of. whenever Jesse would display anger and. pain at what they went through with Jod, they would just tell them along the. lines of get over yourself, it must be. so hard for you to carry around such. toxic emotions all the time. They say it. doesn't stop. This nearly killed me. This has affected every aspect of my. life, every single part. My ability to. have friends, my ability to have. partners, my ability to hold down jobs. I mean, I have complex PTSD from this.

Remember how in part one we went over. how Ruby decided that the two youngest. kids were not going to have Christmas. presents because they were getting the. gift of love and boundaries? Same thing. happened to Jesse under Jodie. Jesse. says, "It sounds like such a trivial. thing, but no one gave me attention on. my birthday." Jod informed me, "It's. your birthday, but you don't deserve any. attention for it. You didn't earn it. You didn't earn the right to be special. So, no holidays were celebrated for me. I didn't receive any. presents." Adam Paul Steed from part. two. His marriage and life was ruined.

because he went to Jodie for therapy on. the recommendation of his church bishop. He went to Jod's sentencing and he said, "When I saw Ruby Frankie, I saw my. ex-wife sitting there saying the same. exact thing. My ex-wife would have said. the exact same thing Ruby Frankie said. today." Which was what do was it the. thank you note or and just like all of. the Jodie made me do this. Oh, and a lot. of other women would have said the same. thing. You have no idea how many victims. are out there. Their minds have been. messed up so much with this. The. prosecutor said that he that he said the.

children thought it was their fault. All. of the adult men think it's their fault. All of the women think it's their fault. Jodie Hildebrandt grows off people's. pain and destruction. And when she sat. there and said she loved the children, I. almost fell out of my chair. The only. thing I mean, look at her version of. loving children is finding a way to make. them hurt and more than anything. possible. It's like an energy she feeds. off of. Jod doesn't love children. Jody. is like Ted Bundy. Chad, the eldest son, was in the documentary and has been very. transparent about how he's healing and.

dealing with everything. He's very. active on his social media accounts. I. think that you guys should go and show. support if you'd like. He went viral. recently for his Tik Toks about Ruby. He. has one where he says he got a tattoo. for his mom. He wipes his arm and. there's no tattoo. Or another one where. he shows Mr. beast making contestants. sleep on a bean bag as a challenge and. he said he would have killed it. A lot. of netizens are glad that he's able to. find ways to cope and heal and using. humor seems to be a good method.

hopefully. He's also a realtor, so if. you guys have realtor needs, you know, you know where to go. Chad says, "I. definitely hate the things Ruby did. I. have no contact with her right now and I. don't plan to anytime soon. But then. again, she's still blood. She's still my. mom and maybe down the road eventually. I'll have a conversation with her. Chad has asked, "Do you miss her?" He. said, "I miss a mother figure. I miss. how she was when I was very young, but I. think what she's going through is. deserved. I don't think that she should. get out till the kids, all the kids turn. 18 years old. But that doesn't mean that.

I don't have love for her." Sherry. attended Ruby's sentencing. She said, "I. said I was not going to look at Ruby. Like, I don't care to see her, so I just. stared at the judge the entire time. I. personally have seen so many too many. crocodile tears from her, so I can't say. whether she's sorry." Sherry is asked by. the documentary, "Where are you right. now with Ruby? Like, where you at with. Ruby?" I will never talk to her again. Like, whether she's the most apologetic. person in the world or not, like that. doesn't change anything for me. We have. one childhood and one mom, and that was.

mine. Sher says, "I'm still angry about. what she did. Of course, that's never. going to go away. But I'm living my. life, and I'm not letting her take any. more of that from me than she's already. taken." As for how she feels about. Kevin, she states, "I would never forget. the pain that he caused, ignored, and. enabled. He has not been absolved, but I. have chosen to release the burden of. resentment that I held against him. By. doing that, I was granting myself the. freedom to heal." She has since.

announced that she is engaged and she is. closing the public chapter of her life. She will no longer be sharing details. about her future husband, her future. children, but she will be posting about. all the work that she's doing to protect. children, influencers, and children that. are used for family vlogging, content. creation, and hopefully she'll write. more books, even if they're fiction. I. know that she's a huge history buff. Um, I would read every single thing that she. writes. She's an incredible writer. She. has such a witty yet vulnerable voice. the way that she's able to balance it.

even when she's talking about such. personalheavy topics I think is a skill. that most people don't have. So again, go get her book. Kevin has since filed. for divorce. He states that he requested. that Ruby stop reaching out to him. He. says in an interview, "The last letter. that I received from her from prison was. maybe in March or April of last year, and then I requested the Department of. Corrections to ask her to stop writing. me. I didn't want to hear anymore. I. didn't like what she was saying, and I'm. not going to share that. that's between. her and me. But it just didn't feel.

right and it didn't feel good and I'm. very angry. I'm still very angry and I. need space and I need time. I'm not. ashamed to say that after being married. over 20 years to that woman. I truly did. and still do love her. But that doesn't. excuse what she did and it doesn't. excuse how she hurt our children and how. she hurt me and there's some things, you. know, there's some bridges that you just. can't cross and then cross back. She. burned the bridges. As of today, I'm. still working through the divorce. We're. trying to reach a settlement. It's been. a long. process. It appears that he has moved.

back into the family home and is. currently seeking custody of the four. underage children. Jesse Hildebrand, Jod's niece, that was tortured prior to. Jodie and Ruby teaming up to inflict. maximum amount of pain on children. They. are now a tattoo artist in Seattle. They. say they're kind of like a grandma. Honestly, they just like to stay home, make sourdough bread. They say it's an. uphill battle of becoming happy and. successful in the wake of no familial. support and severe abuse. It's just. inexplicable to describe. In a lot of.

ways, I do feel really lucky that I have. been able to create the life that I have. and to have the friends that I have, the. chosen family that I have. I feel very. fortunate. As for Adam, Jod called him. the most threatening scary person that. she had ever dealt with. Adam says, "I. guess that's my new claim to fame. The. most threatening person in Jod's life. I. will be along with Jesse because I have. the truth and because of that so many. people will come forward. As for the. case, Adam says about Jod and Ruby, "How. dare you think you could do this and get.

away with it? Jod is far worse than. someone that physically abuses kids. She. got into their heads and makes them feel. helpless and hopeless. I'm up at night. I can't even explain what it's been like. to have to wait 15 years for Jodie. Hildbrand to go to prison. Life is short. and this lady stole more innocence from. my life than any abuser did. He is. remarried to an Egyptian Syrian doctor. He says she's got her feet on the. ground. She grounds me whenever I have. trauma just in 2 seconds. She means the. world to me. Now we have this beautiful. little baby boy. I took a bath with my.

baby boy this morning and with my wife. and it was intimate and beautiful. And. so to the long line of predators in my. life who thought they could steal that. from me, well, they can't. and nor can. they. Victims feel like they have no. innocence. Find your innocence again. Find good friends, good people, find. love, and find meaning. I promise every. victim out there that you will go. through a lot of negative feelings and. trauma, and a lot of people will just. try to push it out the window. Embrace. it. Pull your triggers so much that they.

no longer work. Stand up with your chin. high knowing it'll cause a hurricane for. a while, but afterwards you're going to. live in the free world, not in bars or. cages with triggers everywhere. Have a. complete different philosophy that truth. leads us to freedom, not to complete and. utter control. And don't feel sorry for. me. I'm going home to the cutest, most. beautiful, fun wife and baby and life. that's going in the right direction. So. don't feel sorry for me. And don't ever. think that Jod is a super powerful lady.

She's not. These abusers, they're not. the ones that have chosen to abandon. love are not powerful. people about Adam Paulstein comments. It's chilling how they turned a true. victim into a makebelieve predator. Shocked at how easily Jod exploited. Adam's trauma and how stupidly the wife. accepted it. Jod is clearly a sick. sadist, but the wife sounds like an. insensitive fool. Stupid or not, I hope. she's haunted for life about what she's. done. Another reads, "Adam's story was. heartbreaking and extremely. enlightening. I feel for him and his.

family and hearing everything that he's. went through was so hard about his. ex-wife. Netzens are divided on how to. feel, but most agree. I think she was. victimized and controlled by Jod, but. her behavior was unforgivable. The. system failed Adam and she and her. parents and Jod tortured an innocent. man. As for Ruby, one netzen just points. bluntly, "She has about as much empathy. as a doornob." I would also agree that I. don't think Ruby has ever been a good. mom. I don't think she's ever had it in.

her to really be selfless. I don't think. that's part of Ruby's DNA. For Jod, one. person writes, "Regardless of how much. prison time she ends up serving, one day. she's going to die alone, and no one. will be at her funeral unless it's to. piss on her grave. She's incapable of. being loved or loving anyone in return. And I love that for her." Others were. just shocked at Jod Hildebrand's. actions. Even her niece has stated that. some aspects of Jod, if it weren't so. evil, so depraved, and so vile, it would. almost be funny at how ridiculous Jodie.

Hildebrand is. Nizens are having a bit. of a field day with the footage of her. pretending to be possessed with comments. reading, "She's the girl at sleepovers. that pretends to talk in her sleep.". Others speculate, "I think she was. pretending to do that so that Kevin. wouldn't question the weird noises. coming out of her bedroom." Or another, "The secondhand embarrassment I felt. knowing she was so committed to the. bit." or another reading. Girl, you are. too grown for this. And that is the case. of Ruby Frankie and Jodie. Hilderbrand. What are your thoughts on. this? When do you think that they're.

going to get out? Let me know in the. comments. Go buy Sherry's book and I. will see you in the next one. Stay safe. [Music].