Police Gave Me EVERYTHING Netflix Didn’t Show You About “Unknown Number”

[Music]. Bada bing, bada boom. >> Lauren and Owen, they don't really fight. as a couple. I mean, it probably helps. that they're in high school and they're. not trying to figure out how to pay. taxes together. But even for high school. relationships, the two of them, Lauren. and Owen, they just seem like they're. freaking made for each other. They're. both athletes at the school. They both. have blondish hair. I feel like that's. high school relationship gold. People. call them the golden couple, which is a. bit of a dramatic label to slap on two.

13-year-olds, but they're going to be 14. soon. And it's just a nickname until. they get a text message in a group chat. It's a group chat with Lauren, the. girlfriend, Owen, the boyfriend, and. this number that neither of them. recognize. And the text message reads, "Best day ever." Who is this? Only one. of you got voted on homecoming court. This is epic. LMAO. For my. non-Americans, homecoming weekend is. usually the weekend that football season. really kicks off at schools. Meaning,

you have this really big football game, homecoming game. Owen is on the football. team. And then you have homecoming, which is like it's I guess it's kind of. similar to prom, but not as official. Everybody dresses up. You have to have a. date. You have to ask someone to be your. homecoming date. It's a whole thing. The. price breakdowns of people's dresses, glam, everything. It goes viral on Tik. Tok. It's a production and in the sense. you have homecoming court students that. are nominated to do their dances with.

other nominated students in homecoming. court. And now this random number is. texting Lauren and Owen that only one of. them got voted onto Homecoming Court, which it's pretty clear it's probably. going to be Owen. He's kind of like the. popular one. But it's weird because how. do they even know? I mean, nobody even. knows yet. So they respond, "How the do. you know the votes? How do you know. about the votes?" I know for facts. Trust me, Friday will be epic when it's. announced. The look on your faces,

watching one of you with your arm around. another person, holding hands being all. adorable, smiling, flirting, and posing. for pictures with another person. Priceless, LMFAO. Could this be the end. of the aka golden couple? The. relationship everyone idolizes. Okay, this is kind of weird. They text back, you're jealous. Friday is going to be. the most epic day ever. Lol. We'll see. who's jealous then, and it won't be me. Lol. Who even are you? There is no.

response. By this point, Lauren and. Owen, they kind of brush it off. They. focus on getting ready for homecoming. until another message comes in. How's. the happy couple? It's closer to Friday. Nervous preparing for the end of the. golden relationship. How are you going. to handle seeing one of you on court. posing for adorable pictures with. someone else? We hear about how you are. the perfect couple. You're perfect. together. They envy you both and your. relationship. They want a relationship. like yours. How you're the definition of. a perfect couple and we'll be the. forever couple that gets married. Some. of us don't want to hear it anymore. One.

more thing. I recommend Lauren not. wearing his jersey anymore. You'll look. like a fool if you do. See you at the. game Friday. They are both looking. around in the classroom because who the. hell is sending these messages? And then. another one comes in. He no longer likes. you and he hasn't liked you for a while. It's obvious he wants me. He laughs, smiles, touches my hair. You're a sweet. girl, but I know I can give him what he. wants. Sorry, not sorry. Owen loves me,

and I will always be the girl he loves. He will be with me while your lonely, ugly ass is alone. And then another. message comes in. I own Owen's Primemore. You jealous. Who is sending these messages? Why does. it take 2 years for this unknown number. to be finally caught? They have the. principal involved. They have the. superintendent of the school board. involved. They have the local sheriff's. office involved. And the FBI gets.

involved. It takes 2 years. Then every. single day, Lauren and Owen are. bombarded with 40 to 50 text messages. just like this one for 2 years. Why does. this person want Lauren and Owen to. break up so badly? All of those theories. are going to be covered in this episode. along with this whole case recently blew. up because of the new release of a. documentary called Unknown Number on. Netflix. Now, unknown number does not go. as deep into some of the other messages,

some of the other reasonings that were. found in this nearly I think it was. a,300. almost 1,200 pages of a court document. file that we received after a foyer. request as well as we do have the full. unedited body cam footage audio all. here. The body cam footage audio I'm. going to put at the end of the episode, but there is so much that hasn't even. been touched. So, let's get into it.

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mission. As always, full show notes are. available at rottmangopodcast.com. Today's case involves mentions of cyber. bullying, mental abuse, harassment. Please watch at your own discretion. A. few quick things. We received in total. over a thousand pages in court. documents. Hundreds of those pages being. text messages. I will say that sometimes. in the documentary, the text messages. are just kind of thrown in there with. these very cool edits where it just the. context is kind of lost and I don't even. know what the conversation is about. And. it doesn't I feel like it almost makes.

it less scary like less of oh this feels. serious. Sometimes it might even come. off a little bit like ooh this is kind. of weird that they're texting that. So I. wanted to give some more context to. those text messages. And we also have. the full body cam footage from the day. that they tell Lauren Lucari who had. been cyber bullying and stalking her for. 2 years. But due to privacy the police. have pre-blurred the footage. So, even. though most of us have seen portions of. it unblurred on Netflix, I'm going to. provide the entire audio footage at the.

end of this video, which I will. timestamp for you in the pinned comment. below. And there's lots of text messages. that we pulled from the court documents. that it's just a lot. We were also able. to talk to Owen briefly. He's a really. friendly and sweet guy. I think it's. nice to see that he's been able to. maintain a positive and kind attitude. towards everything. Maybe one day we'll. interview him because I'm sure it's been. it's been very interesting to see. everyone involved to I guess watch as. this documentary blows up in real time. So with that being said, let's get.

started. Be City, Michigan is a very. small town. They will probably tell you. it's the type of town where people leave. their doors unlocked every single night. or every person's smile lights up the. room. That's the type of town. And this. case has nothing to do with unlocked. front doors or dentistry. The important. thing here is it's a small town. Beiel. City, Michigan is quintessentially where. everybody knows everybody and their. mother. They know your grandparents. I. grew up in a small town where they would.

ask you, "No, where are you really. from?" But in Beiel City, they're going. to be like, "Who are your grandparents? Where did they live? It's that. close-knit. It is a small population.". So technically, it should not have taken. the sheriff and the FBI this long to. find this freaking suspect. It's been. over a year that someone in this small. town has been stalking two high. schoolers. The officers walk into this. small house by the lake. It's a bit on. the messier side inside. One of the. tables in the dining area is filled. The.

entire surface of the table is filled. with alcohol bottles. Most of them are. unopened, which perhaps is a good thing, but that's not why the police are here. They're here to talk to 15-year-old. Lauren. Lauren is sitting on one of. those kitchen counter stools and she. naturally looks very stressed because. what is it now? I mean, they've been. through this for the past two years. Every single week, once a week, almost. on the dot, she gets taken into this. small back office in the high school to. turn over her phone where they take all.

the text messages that have come in and. it feels like a CIA undercover operation. without the intelligence. She's been. doing this for so long. And officer Maine has not gotten closer. to finding out who did it. All that's. happened is Lauren's life has been. ruined. Like, what do you mean you don't. know who's sending the harassing. messages? They're sending 40 to 60 a. day. The phone number is right there. Go. find them. Every time they would go to. the police. Lauren's mom, Kendra, would.

try to give them any information that. would help. Maybe it's this person. She's always had some sort of jealousy. for Lauren. Maybe it's this person. The. way that they sent messages kind of. sounds like them, doesn't it? Meanwhile, Lauren's dad, Shawn, he's getting. frustrated with the police. He's. pleading with them. We got to nail this. son of a [ __ ] Whoever is doing this is. ruining their daughter's life and. stalking their 14-year-old daughter. We. have to find them. And the police. finally do. They're standing in Lauren's. living room, standing in front of.

Lauren. Lauren's mom, Kendra, walks out. She's sitting on the counter stool next. to her daughter. And Kendra's reaching. over holding Lauren's hand because. they're about to find out who the hell. has been sending these unknown messages. for about two years. Lauren and her. boyfriend Owen, I mean, the two of them. have been in their own specialized. version of hell, where the producers of. Pretty Little Liars and Gossip Girl have. come together and tried to make these. random teenagers lives absolutely.

miserable. This all starts when they're. 13 years old. I mean, to be fair, the. makers of Pretty Little Liars and Gossip. Girl don't even know they exist, but. they are living in the real life version. of these two shows. Pretty Little Liars. focuses on a small town, Rosewood, Pennsylvania, where five friends, best. friends, have a sleepover. One of them. goes missing. The other four friends, they all fall apart until someone starts. sending them anonymous text messages. And this unknown number seems to know. every little freaking secret that they. have. Like how one of them was caught.

making out with their English teacher, another one of them made out with their. sister's fiance. It's an unhinged show. And Gossip Girl is the older, richer New. York City version of that. And somehow. Gossip Girl and A both find their way to. Beiel City High School where it starts. with 13-year-old Lauren and her. boyfriend Owen. They start getting. messages and in the beginning, it's kind. of silly goofy. It's like silly goofy. kindergarten messages. The text messages. are juvenile at best. The first few. messages, if someone were to hand me a.

phone and would tell me to text. something mean and I sat on my phone, this would be the outcome. It's just. like gibberish insults. One message. reads, "You are the ugliest person I. have ever seen.". >> It's always texted both of them. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's not particularly original. or specific. It's rather subjective of. an observation, but coming from an. unknown sender, it's a little creepy. Then another one. Off. You be the ugliest gank. Ain't.

playing ugly mother. Then another one. We will make every day miserable for. you. It's a little silly. He be with us tomorrow at cornhole. Sorry, not sorry. After cornhole, he. hanging with us. We got plans. [ __ ]. Owen is obsessed with us and everyone. knows it. The seniors talk about how.

hard he want our sorry not sorry you. trash we ain't I mean it's bad but there. are multiple I mean even above this. there were multiple text messages about. cornhole like a cornhole tournament you. know cornhole the game with the wooden. boards and then you try to stick the. yeah it's like ski ball they're like. having it's the most atrocious thing. being the spelling of the messages but. clearly by the end of this message it. starts kind of escalating and like the. seasons of Pretty Little Liars and. Gossip Girl with Every episode that. passes, the boring text message threats.

aren't cutting it anymore. The unknown. sender starts amping it up. I mean, it's. getting rather mean. We will win. I. promise you. Owen doesn't like you. He. doesn't love you. Lauren and Owen both. have no clue who this person is. They've. tried asking around to see if anybody. knows who the number belongs to. Nothing. They've tried calling and they won't. respond. They just say, "Stoping. calling." And they're trying to get them. to answer. Stop hiding. Answer my call.

Or are you scared to talk to me? Just. scathing messages come in after this. Bombarding their phones. They've tried. chasing the number back. These are all. burner numbers. Someone is getting an. app to get a fake phone number to. message them and with annoying. frequency. I mean, they're just nonstop. getting haggled by this fake number. Is. it a girl in their class? Is it a guy? Is it multiple people? One message says, "We will win." Who is we? And what the. hell are they winning, Owen? That seems.

to be the point. It seems like Lauren. gets bullied for being anorexic and not. pretty enough for Owen. Based off these. messages, the unknown sender seems. pretty intent on making sure that they. do not stay together. And they want Owen. for herself, himself, themselves. We. don't know how many people are behind. this. So, when this is happening, did. Owen or Lauren have an idea who it could. be? Did they start talking about it at. all? >> Yeah, they later have an idea, and we're. going to get there, but uh the the text.

messages read, "You have no friends, and. we alling hate you. [ __ ] off, you nasty. ass skank." And that is targeted towards. Lauren. >> And it's all a game to the unknown. sender. I apologize. It became a game. It was easy. Over the past year, we got. Owen to say he cheated, wanted nudes, we. were better, had better bodies, hated. you, didn't want to be with you, you. were ugly, lesbian looking, anorexic, and wanted other girls at games. It's.

just like non-stop. 40 to 50 of these. paragraphs a day. In another message, it. reads, "He's ready to be with a real. girl who gives him what he wants. [ __ ] trash. Don't wear [ __ ]. leggings. Ain't no one want to see your. anorexic flat ass. You dress like aing. [ __ ] You trying to get attention? [ __ ]. off. I mean, it's mean. Don't get me. wrong. I would be crying myself to. sleep, especially if I'm that young. But. it's just not that personal yet. It. feels vaguely mean, if that makes sense. But they start escalating to get more.

scathing and more precise with what the. unknown sender is trying to target. This. feels like a warm-up. for real. How do you not break up when. he says you ugly, embarrassing, mistake, anorexic, worst body ain't giving him? He wants sex, BJs, and making out. He. doesn't want your sorry ass. He wants a. real girl. And we will make sure he gets. that. Don't come to the game. He ain't. want you there. He ain't want to see.

you. He hates you. Which is probably. enough to get Lauren to feel like, wait, I don't know who this person is, but. what if there is some truth to it? What. if Owen is doing something weird? Then. another text message that makes Lauren. feel paranoid. We're staying at a hotel. with him on Thursday and your sorry ass. won't be there. Are you jealous? We'll. be flirting and cuddling Thursday and. you will be lonely. We're staying with. him at the same hotel and he's going to. meet us and sneak to our rooms for the. night. He wants a hot, athletic, sexy. dressing girl. So, I'm going to show.

some off and get down in bed. He hates. you forever. Sometimes Owen and Lauren. will be sitting in science class. Ding. The messages are coming in. Sometimes it. happens at 3:00 a.m. Ding. The messages. are coming in. Ding. Hi Lauren. Owen is. breaking up with you. And so Lauren and. Owen, they try to talk to the principal. to see if there's any sort of way to try. and track down who's sending the. messages. Some of them are coming out. during class time. And it seems like. whoever is sending this knows what. Lauren is wearing to class knows all of. these things about the kids' lives. The.

principal decides, here's the best plan. that we can come up with. Anytime you. get a text message from the unknown. center, you text me the time stamp on. it. So, if the message comes in like. 3:20 p.m., you text me that. I will go. through the cameras on the school campus. to see who is on their phone at that. time, which means we've got our guy, right? Or yell, whatever. We have our. person. They start that, but it's quite. tedious to go through all the cameras. And not only that, the school doesn't. really have a policy against the usage. of phones. So, it's hard to tell which. students are sending text messages to.

Lauren and Owen, which ones are just. texting, which ones are browsing. YouTube, which ones are on TikTok, you. can't see it. So, it's kind of moot. point. It's like with every precaution. that they try to take or every step that. they get closer to figuring out who it. is, the menacing nature of the text. increase 10fold. Halo Owen saying you're. a worthless [ __ ] in his life. You never. mention you [ __ ] ruined my life. You. biggest regret and mistake ever. You the. ugliest hoe. Then another one.

No one ever want your anorexic flat ass. and tits. No dude ever touching that. You nasty [ __ ]. His life would be better if you were. dead. Dead. #bangbang #. >> Whoa. >> Owen want you dead today. jump off a bridge. >> Like, how long has this been when they.

start texting these type of messages? >> A few months in, but it goes on for a. long time. >> Kill yourself. Project Slammer is a CIA project where. the CIA goes into prisons and they. interview over 40 incarcerated former. CIA spies and they try to figure out. what makes them a traitor. What makes. them turn on the CIA and give. information to foreign adversaries? Why. do you commit treason? The big one is.

obviously narcissism. There is a huge. money gain element there, but typically. it takes a narcissist to become a spy. They also typically like to think of. themselves as bigger than a regular. employee, someone with a bigger purpose. And the rules and consequences of, you. know, literal treason don't apply to. them, so it should be fine. But that's. not really new and riveting information. Like, they can't really find who's a. narcissist in the CIA. And I'm sure they. can, but that doesn't mean all of them. are useless traders. Most of them are. probably useful intelligence agents.

They've also identified the most. critical time point in which someone. could potentially become a mole. They. already have to have some sort of. personality dysfunction like narcissism. The ease of opportunity has to present. itself. Nobody's going to go and hunt. down the opportunity to become a. traitor. And three, they have to have an. acute life crisis. I thought that was so. fascinating. So, it's not the biggest. life crisis. It's a middle-of the road. life crisis. It could be a small.

professional humiliation, a small to. medium-sized financial obstacle. It's. not bankruptcy. It's like. you are now $10,000 in debt because of. gambling. Or. >> why is that so crucial for this to. happen? >> Acute life event means that they it has. the ability to throw that type of person. off and make them vulnerable into making. very bad decisions or feeling like. they're meant to do something bigger in. life. If the life event is too big, they. usually don't have the mental capacity.

to become a traitor. So, it has to be. like a medium-siz life event. So for. example, if a parent dies and it's not. sudden, it's like old age, that's an. acute life event because everyone is. under the impression that your parents. are supposed to die before you do. But. if their child dies, that's too major of. a life event. >> Fascinating. Yeah, >> it's interesting. So it's like a a life. event that shakes them up, but it cannot. be so big that they're so shaken that. they cannot become a mole. And a lot of. the ways I'm sure the CIA has got.

advanced ways on figuring out who's a. mole. Like you know when they had Robert. Hansen find the mole in the CIA when he. was the mole. So like super advanced. Yeah. I think we covered that case. There was a guy named Robert Hansen part. of he was working with Russians and he's. like, "Oh yeah, let me go find the mole. He's the mole.". Huh. But one of the easiest methods that. even the Kardashians will employ is the. planting of false information. That is. what the Bee City high schoolers start.

doing. They run their little own SCOP. The inner circle close to Owen start. their own find the mole operation. Starting with the classic strategy. Share select information with person A. and only person A. See if it ends up in. the chat. Share information with person. B and only person B. See if it ends up. in the chat. And that's how you find the. mole. But if it's one of them, well then. what do you do? And there's major. concerns now because the messages are. becoming so relentless, so vicious that.

it feels like it's about to amp up into. two things. Like one of two things is. going to happen. One, Lauren is going to. self-exit after enduring endless torture. and harassment by some random number. That is a huge concern. And two, whoever. this person is, what if they snap? Yeah. Like what if they go from text threats. to something a lot more physical and. clearly they're in the vicinity? >> Lauren will sometimes fight back. responding, "Stop, please. You're. jealous and you can say whatever you.

want. I don't care and I don't care what. anyone says or thinks. I will wear his. jersey proudly every day." Other times. it feels like something bad is going to. happen. >> I'm assuming they already reported to. the police immediately at from the. beginning and the police just could not. figure it out, right? No, the police are. doing once a week meetings at the school. with the kids to get all of the text. messages. And it's getting bad because Lauren is. starting to lose steam. She's writing. things like, "Please stop. I'm begging. you to please stop." Like, "What do I. need to do for you to stop? I honestly.

can't take it anymore. And we'll do. anything you want if you will please. stop.". And they don't stop. More messages come. in. Girl, he said he don't need you to. be here. His life better if he never met. you, girl. He hitting us up like crazy. today. You know, he' been messaging and. flirting in. He was hitting us up from a. hotel at Fordfield and he's talking. He. said he's cheating and moving on to a. new girl. He was stupid to be with you. You suck. He wants a hot, athletic, sexy. dressing girl. Not you.

Then a message is sent to Owen. She. don't deserve the air she breathes. She's a pointless human. This has been. happening for 2 years. Shawn, Lauren's. dad, is saying there are lots of bad. changes in Lauren. I mean, she's not as. active with basketball. She used to love. basketball. She never wants to go to. school. They have to force her every. morning and they get into fights. Lauren's mom, Kendra, has had a softer. approach. She tries to tell Lauren, I. told her to just keep being her and just. not even worry about anything, right? I.

didn't believe anyone would actually do. anything harmful. It doesn't matter. anymore, though, because with the help. of the FBI, the sheriff's office has. finally caught the person threatening. Lauren and Owen. And if you guys watch. the documentary, you already know Lauren. and Kendra are sitting on the counter. stools with Kendra comforting her. daughter Lauren. >> This is like police cam recording. rolling. >> Yeah. Even though she knows that Lauren. is about to find out that the entire. time the unknown sender had been inside.

the school every single day taunting. Lauren, watching her, texting her. Not. in the same classroom as Lauren, not. even the same grade as Lauren, but in. the school, in one of the back staff. rooms, the unknown sender had been. sitting there talking to the principal. about how to stop the harassment. Because the unknown sender is Lauren's. own mom, Kendra. Kendra has been the one. sending these messages, and you already. know that. Kendra has been anonymously.

harassing her own daughter for years. And she knows that's what the officer is. going to say because just minutes ago, before Lauren even came into the living. room, the officer confronted Kendra. one-on-one. >> Wo. >> Here's the deal. When we were doing the. investigation and the FBI got involved, we come up with some stuff that comes. back to you. Which, side note, they. don't um talk about this in the. documentary cuz I think it was like. tedious stuff. I don't know if people. were going to find it interesting, but I. found it super interesting. The FBI. tracked down. She Kendra was using a lot. of anonymous apps like Pinger to hide.

her, disguise her phone number and make. all these fake numbers and that's how. she was texting them. The sheriff's. office is like, "Well, I don't know what. to do about that.". >> Is it like Google numbers? Like a fake. number? >> Yes, I think it's a little Yeah, it's. like Google number. And the the FBI come. in, they apply search warrants to. Pinger. They apply search warrants to. all of these apps and it comes back to. an IP address. And now they need to make. sure that this IP address because it. kind of is leading to Kendra, but they. need to make sure. So, the FBI actually. has one of the other moms send Kendra a.

hidden link to like a school thing. She. clicks on the link and it's her IP. address and they match the IP address. >> Oh, >> so it's freaking Kendra and Kendra is. staring at the officer, not necessarily. showing much emotion, and she's just. like, "What do you mean the messages. coming and originating from you?" No. When we were doing the investigation and. the FBI got involved, we come up with. some stuff that comes back to you. >> What do you mean?

>> The message is coming originating from. you. >> No, it's just weird. Kendra's not even. convincing herself. The no is so. halfbaked. It's very No, her facial. expression doesn't really change. It's. weird. Every message that went to the. kids, your number come back through. Pingry or whatever it is, the app that. tried to hide it, your your number, even. though it was being hid showed up every. single message. >> My number? >> Yep. Does she really think she could. have got away with FBI getting involved?

>> Yeah. And she says, "My number?" Yep. Does it have to do with Owen? Is there. some sort of infatuation there with. Owen? No. Nothing like that. Does Lauren know. about it? No. She shakes her head and. she's asking the detective. I really. don't want her to. >> What does it look like going from here? Because the thing is is once this is out. there, like I don't know how she can go. to school. >> The officer is like, "Yeah, well, there's no way around it. So, we're.

going to bring in Lauren. We're going to. sit her down and talk to her. And she's. about to finally hear who the hell has. been threatening her and encouraging her. to self-exit, calling her all sorts of. nasty names, trying to steal her. boyfriend for the past 2 years. The. officer starts, >> mom just got wrapped up into this mess. >> Mom got wrapped up in some stuff. What. does that mean? >> The text messages. He's kind of vague. about it. >> In the Netflix documentary, he doesn't. even really say the text messages. In. the unedited audio, he mentions the text. messages like once. So, it's pretty.

clear that Lauren kind of understands. it's about the text messages. Oh, okay. >> Mom just got wrapped up into this mess. and continued on blasting these text. messages and stuff out. Um, I know. that's probably confusing as heck and. why, but sometimes when we're not. thinking straight, we do some things. that aren't right. >> Lauren's mom, Kendra, reaches over and. puts her hand on Lauren's thigh in a. show of comfort. But if you listen. carefully, like, why would they need a.

search warrant for Kendra's phones? I. think Lauren is slowly putting. everything together. I will say the. officer is just oddly vague about the. whole thing and Lauren is like piecing. together. She's glancing around. >> Oh, so that's how he unveiling the. information. It's your mother. >> But all he says was your mom mom being. wrapped up in some stuff, >> text messages. So we have search. warrant. We found stuff on her phone. So. Lauren is like slowly piecing it. together. >> We're going to take her phone and stuff. You know, sometimes when we're not.

thinking straight, we do some things. that aren't right. Your mom doesn't want. to get to get this out, but it's going. to be public information. By this point, Kendra is up on her daughter. She has. her arms wrapped all the way around. Lauren like she's like a sloth trying to. climb a tree. She's resting her left. cheek onto Lauren's head, kissing her. forehead, wiping the baby hairs from her. forehead. >> What? What a weird course of action when. you were just exposed for harassing and. and abusing your child for years.

>> And the officer is like, "She said you. had no idea what was going on, and I. believe that what has to happen now is I. have to make sure you and your mom are. safe before I leave. So, I'd like you to. call your dad, and maybe he can come. home and meet with us, okay?" Kendra. reaches over and grabs Lauren's hand, almost as if she is the one needing. comfort. Now, Kendra is a part of the. Netflix documentary Unknown Number, which is interesting considering the. call is coming from inside the house, literally. But when Kendra sits down, she's a very big reason to agree to all. of this. She just wants her side of the.

story to be heard. She says, "You guys. are going to think I'm the crazy lady.". Every single one of us makes mistakes. Not a single one of us has lived a. perfect life. And realistically, a lot. of us have probably I mean broke the law. at some point or another and not got. caught. I mean, I'll be honest, you. know, I'm sure people drove drunk, haven't been caught, right? But again, if you get caught, you're in the same. situation I'm in, but for a different. thing. So, I do feel that people lose.

sight of that. I know to some I'm a. headline, I'm a villain, I'm a bad mom, I'm whatever. But that's because, you. know, one little piece of my story, they. don't know my whole story. and she. explains. So, the messages stop for a. little bit and they pick back up. In my. mind, I'm like, "How long do we let this. go on?" So, to give you some further. context, an unknown sender starts. sending harassing text messages to. Lauren and Owen, and then they stop for. like 11 months. They stop sending any. messages, and then all of a sudden, the.

text messages pick back up again, and. this time it's 4050 a day for a year. Kendra is saying that she never sent the. original messages. >> Oh, really? Yeah, we're going to get. into that later. More on that later cuz. nobody believes you, Kendra. But she. says after 11 months, she picks up where. they left off by sending harassing. threats. And her reasoning for this is. very simple. She wants to catch whoever. sent the first original text messages. She wants to find out who they are. So, she's going to send more messages. She.

says, "What do I do as a parent?". Honestly, the best way would have been. to stop it by shutting her cell phone. down, right? But then I was like, well, why would she have to do that? You know, why should I have to get her a new. phone? Like, because of someone else's. actions, right? I really wanted to get. to the bottom of who it was, right? And. that's when I started sending the text. messages to Lauren and Owen. I was. sending the messages in hopes that maybe. they would send back asking, "Is this. somebody? Is this so and so to just kind.

of give me something, right?". >> Oh, this person is crazy. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. This When is she saying this? when she's getting. >> in the Netflix documentary. >> like this is with the police at the. police station or just sitting at home. >> This is like after she she's a free. woman and she's sitting down with. Netflix. >> Oh. wow. She made up this really nobody even. freaking will believe 1% of the. reasoning and she's like telling it with. full chest. >> Yeah. And all the IP addresses lead back.

to her and only her. So. >> Oh my god. >> It doesn't even make sense. >> No, it doesn't. her reasoning doesn't. make sense. But she says, "I was also. hoping that as maybe they talked about. the messages amongst their friend group. and stuff that something might come up. that could help pinpoint, you know, where they were originating from. I. started in the thoughts of we need some. answers." And then it just kept going. It was a spiral kind of a snowball. effect. I don't think I knew how to.

stop. I was somebody different in those. moments. It was like I had a mask on or. something. She starts spending 8 hours a day. sending these messages to harass her. daughter and her daughter's boyfriend. It becomes her full-time job because she. lies about having a job. She gets let go. of her job and lies about it. She never. tells her family that she's been let go. of this job and for a year she pretends. to go to work, but instead she is. sending messages. >> What's her job before? >> She used to be an IT specialist at.

Ferris University. She was let go and. now this is her full-time job sending. messages and she. >> Wait, I'm so sorry. Okay, they're not in. the university. >> No. >> Is that the acute life event that you. were mentioning or it's unrelated? >> It seems like it's one of them. >> Isn't that interesting? She gets fired. Yes. >> For what reason? >> She spent too much time on her phone on. texting and video calling and calling. people that were not workrelated.

>> Wow. So, she gets let go and this. becomes her full-time job sending. messages. And she's saying that she's. doing this to catch the real person that. sent a few messages 11 months ago. Meanwhile, she's over here texting. Owen and I down to suck fingeruck. his and fingers my and mouth. making me creamy.

And not in the documentary, but in the. court doc, it reads, "Owen, like our. science convo about redacted being. fingered. He's ready to do it to me. We. know you ain't doing it and like they. told you he need better. I will be that. girlfriend for him and give him it all. This is again from the court documents. I don't know why they weren't shown in. the documentary because. >> these text messages, even just the text. messages that were shown in the. documentary, a lot of nizens are saying, "How is she not charged with like. sexually harassing a minor?" But those.

text messages in the court documents are. worse. Another text message from the. court doc again reads, "These are 13. 14year-olds. Owen got the fingering. deets and he be and I be jerking and. making him creamy. You be [ __ ]. jealous. So her text message just like. vulgar. There's not even a message. >> The message is Owen wants me and not. you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Just over and over and over. and over. >> Another text message just reads,

"Creamy, you should have been a real girlfriend. and gave him what he needed. Be jealous. My. Let me. my t in his face. Real ass. Real body. Bed pics for real. FaceTime. Get real. Ouring text. He jerk off for me. [ __ ]. off. He said I'ming hot. Best ever. Making him horny. Make him horn. Make it cream again.

Kendra claims she has a very good reason. for this. She is basically going. undercover to figure out who the real. harasser originally was. You have to believe her. Not being invited to Khloe Wilson's. annual Halloween party would probably. have me crying in my room at night. Chloe is one of the popular girls at the. school. She's on the volleyball team,

the basketball team. Her parents are. popular. She has friends from nearby. schools. Everyone knows Khloe and. everyone knows her Halloween parties. except Lauren, who does not even want to. go. And technically Lauren's not. invited. But Owen states, "Well, if I'm. going then you're going to come with me. because Owen and Lauren are dating.". Lauren and Owen have been dating for. like a year at this point. And Owen, by. all accounts, seems to have he seems. like the more popular one. He seems a. little bit more social. He has a lot of. friends. He's on the football team. And.

Lauren is described by everyone as being. pretty quiet. She likes to keep to. herself in a small group of people that. she knows and that's what she likes. And. the Halloween party does not sound like. something that she wants to attend, but. they're dating. This is part of the. life. So now it's part of hers. Lauren. just does not really get along with. people like Chloe. Be high school clicks. seem very intense. It's a small town. school. Be city has one stoplight, two. bars, and they're more like pubs. The. entire town has a population of a few. hundred people with more wind turbines.

than they have bars. One netizen. describes living. >> few hundred people in the town. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> One nizen describes living in a small. town like that as quote an experience. where you have to be careful not to kiss. a relative. Not because incest is like a. trend or a shared experience, but. because there's only so many residents. and you can only have so many drinks. before you're like, "Wait, am I blackout. drunk and making out with my cousin?". It's a numbers game. >> Oh. Lauren describes living in Beiel. City as a really small school in a. really small area and everybody knows.

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One of Owen's childhood best friends and. fellow potential popular kid is Sophie. and she says, "No one really has. anything better to do than talk about. other people. Like even the parents, like they talk about us teenagers, what. we're doing." And I feel like that's. kind of a toxic thing that gets passed. down. One netizen concurs by writing a. review on Beiel City High School on. niche.com. Quote, "Parents are great, but some care too much about the. athletic sphere. The parents are really.

involved. Owen might say that they're. too involved. And even the parents want. to talk to the other parents about the. kids drama. The parents have drama. themselves. It's kind of a mess in a lot. of small towns. And Beiel City is not. immune to these social circles. But it. seems by all accounts that the popular. kids are going to be the ones in. attendance at Khloe's Halloween party. And this is when the first text messages. come in. One of the first messages from. the unknown sender to both Lauren and. Owen read, "Did Owen say anything to you.

about what's going on?" If he didn't. tell you yet, I will. Owen and I agreed. and thought it would be a great time for. Owen and I to get together and. officially hook up. You are not being. invited because we want this time. together. He's coming to my house on. Halloween, too, and is giving me his. sweatshirt to wear. You're a sweet girl, but I know I can give him what he wants. Sorry, not sorry. >> This is Santa Owen as well. >> Yes, it's obvious he wants me. His. attention is constantly on me. When was. the last time he paid attention to you.

or acted like he likes you? He is never. with you, nor has he ever talking to. you. He's always with quote other girls. or texting and talking to me. He's. constantly hitting on me. He laughs, smiles, touches my hair, picks at me, and crushing hardcore for me. He always. wants to be near me and involved in our. conversations. When has he ever acted. like that way to you? Don't be jealous. when I wear his sweatshirt and jersey. Not sure what he told you, but he is. coming to the Halloween party and we are. both DTF. >> If they were 13. Yeah, he wants nothing.

to do with you. He thinks you're. annoying and an ugly ass and wishes you. would leave him the alone. I feel like these text messages are. literally a Gossip Girl episode. Why do. you think he's on his phone all the time. talking to me? It's obvious he does not. want you in his life. He talks about you. all the time. You didn't get invited to. his football game. I did. You didn't get. invited to his house. I did. You didn't. get invited to sleep with him. I did. I. did. I'm spending the night with him. I'm sharing a bed with him, not you.

He's comforting me, not you. You didn't. get invited to be with him in the hot. tub. I did. Then another text message reads, "I hope. you finally get the point. He wants to. spend time with me, not you. We will. keep making you look stupid. He promised. to keep flirting with me, and I promise. to do it all in front of you. He wants. to see you run out of school crying. Heing hates your ugly anorexic ass.". What the hell is that? Lauren is so. confused. Owen is reassuring her that he.

is absolutely not DTF and has no clue. who this person is. Owen thinks it's. maybe one of the quieter kids because. they're more quote techy, but clearly. somebody is just messing with them. At. the Halloween party, they start going. around and asking around to see if. anyone knows the number or someone sent. it as like a sick joke. Nobody fesses up. and they move on for 11 months. Nothing. happens. Kendra claims these Halloween. messages were not sent by her. She said, "Not those ones. I did not. It wasn't. until way later." 11 months later, the.

messages start again. And I feel like. they're way, way, way, way worse. And. we're going to go through a lot of the. text messages, the ones from the Netflix. documentary, the ones from the court. document. They're all going to be in. here. And we're going to go through the. messages while we go through the. theories of why Kendra did this to her. own daughter. Because I feel like. Netflix kind of at the end threw out a. reasoning of why Kendra did this. But a. lot of nizens are not not even convinced. by that reasoning. Some people think. it's got to be something else. And. there's actually a lot more theories. online and text messages supporting.

those theories will be included when we. get to them. But one thing is a. thousand%. All the roads lead back to. Kendra. 18 months into the messages. terrorizing the entire school by month. 18. I mean everybody knows about this by. like the first month. Everybody knew. about it. The principal, superintendent, the sheriff, everybody's involved. Kids. are pointing the finger at other kids. The parents are pointing the finger at. kids. It's not until April 2022 the FBI. gets involved. And like I said, all the. IP addresses, even the beginning ones.

that she claims she absolutely did not. send, were all sent by Kendra. So why. did she do it? Theory number one, Kendra. is jealous of her teenage daughter, Lauren. Stick to her stomach, green with. envy level jealous. One message reads, "Low," which is Lauren's nickname. "You. be jealous when he's at varsity game. today. He ain't wasting time seeing you. suck. He knows you suck. You're the. worst. You for real need to quit. No one. wants you playing. Ain't no one sad. Break an ankle. It's interesting because.

usually when there is jealousy from. mother to daughter, the mother wants the. daughter to do well enough to reflect. well on her own parenting, but not so. well that the daughter outshines the. mother. Basically this experience, this. is a Redditor. My mother always wanted. me to be pretty but not too pretty. Like. I had a cute tiny waist. So, if I wore a. belt that defined my waistline, she told. me I look like a [ __ ] It's interesting. Some psychologists have said it's like a. narcissistic mother views their daughter. as direct threats. Anytime they look at.

their daughter, it is a reminder of. their youth and a reminder of the. mother's own aging process. They want to. provide more freedom for their kids. because that makes them look good. amongst their friends, but they also. resent them for having a better life. than they did. So, they want to take. them down. Another message reads, "You. have no friends. You [ __ ] suck for guys to talk to. you. You [ __ ] up. You treat him like. You. don't get with him in bed. You don't. sneak out with him. Youing dress awful.

Ain't no guy want that. You look like an. anorexic toddler. That ain't sexy. It's. embarrassing. You need to do something. about that. You need to change your. face, hair, body, clothes." He agreed. He won't give you his jersey to wear. He. ain't wasting no time. No waste of space. mistake. ugly anorexic toddler wearing. his [ __ ] to embarrass him. He ain't. proud of you and wishes he never met. your sorry ass. He said it looked better. on a dog than you. Embarrassed when you. wear it. That was from the court. document. Perhaps Kendra is just jealous. that her entire role that she now sees. it is, and this is not me saying it, but.

maybe she just sees herself as a mom. now. And Lauren is maybe entering what. Kendra believes are her prime years, high school, college. Kendra's cousin. was interviewed for for the documentary. and she said, you know, Kendra is very. fun, very outgoing, the life of the. party, she likes the attention, I think, if she were here right now. So, she's. being interviewed by the producers. And. she says, >> she knows. >> the whole thing. >> And she says, "If Kendra were here right. now and you're talking to me, you're. interviewing me, she would be dancing. over there to try and get your.

attention, to get you to look at her.". Now, she suddenly has kids and she's a. baseball basketball coach for Lauren. One report states that while Lauren is. quiet, Kendra's like the cool mom. People say that she would gossip with. the girls, literally high school girls. During softball or basketball practice, students would film her dancing to Sir. Mix a Lot and doing cartwheels down a. hotel hallway when they would have away. games. >> Fascinating. >> Another odd thing is Kendra would show. up to the school to comfort Lauren, but. would use it as an opportunity to get. close with the other high school girls.

She would tell classmates of Lawrence. that she's bringing a change of clothes. for Lauren cuz. The person texting was making fun of her. shirt, so she feels insecure. >> She's texting it and she's bringing a. shirt. >> And then now she's getting sympathy from. all these high school girls that are. like, "A Miss Lucari, I feel so bad.". Yeah, that's so sweet of you. >> And even if she she wasn't, why would. you even consider text or telling. someone when the bully is supposedly in. the classroom?

>> Mhm. >> And could use it against your daughter? Or another time she'll text girls in. Lauren's class saying things along the. lines of, "Can you go to the bathroom. and check up on Lauren? She just texted. me that she's crying in the stalls." Or. she would talk to other kids about how. stressed she is, about how stressed. Lauren is about these text messages. But. Kendra will swear this is not the. motive. She is not a jealous mother. Yes, she was targeting everything that. Lauren was insecure about. However, it. wasn't to make her feel bad. Kendra. straight up says Lauren knows she's. petite. She knows she's small. She knows.

she's thin. So, I might have kind of. picked up on some of her insecurities, her hair, her appearance, her looks, you. know, but honestly, the messages weren't. really targeted at her insecurities. The Netflix producer does ask something. that kind of pissed off a lot of. netizens, which is they asked Kendra, "Were they targeted at you? Were you. sending those messages to yourself?" And. they were like, "Why are you trying to. give her an out to make herself look. better?". Basically, they're asking her like, "Did.

you feel like the mean things you were. saying, you almost saying it to. yourself?". >> No. What kind of a question is that? >> But Kendra is like, "Yes, that very well. possibly." Um, because I was way too. thin. I was not eating, so you could put. me in that anorexic category. A lot of. people are like, "Why would you even ask. that?" I also don't think that that's. what happened at all. I honestly think. that Kendra was saying that because um I. mean I also struggle with my.

choice of sometimes I struggle with body. image as well, right? Everybody does. Lots of people do. And some people think. that Kendra as she's aging, she notices. that her metabolism is not as quick as. it used to be. And maybe she has to work. extra hard to stay in that body frame. that she likes. and she's looking at her. teenage daughter and like lots of. teenage kids, they can just eat whatever. they want and they don't really. fluctuate in weight as much. >> as like a 50-year-old woman and so maybe. she's very upset with that. It doesn't I.

don't think that she's sending it to. herself. I think she's pissed off. >> Yeah. >> And I mean the messages are insane. Some. more read you jealous. He ain't talking. to your sorry ass. He talking to us. How. does it feel to lose your anorexic body. ain't worth? He never came back to you. He never want to talk to you again. He. want you to [ __ ] stop. Youing will be. crying every day. We coulding care less. He never come back to you. He didn't. even talk to you to get theing point. He. hates you. Now we ruin your life. You. did this. Now we ruin your life. We all.

hate you. You [ __ ] suck. You're the. [ __ ] reason JV lost the basketball. game and only went to the varsity game. We lose. You didn't doing suck. Proved. it again. Break a neck, leg, anything. today and be done with basketball. Ugly, anorexic, no good. We promise you, you. know, he's cheating. You we won and he. hates you. There have been times that I. have just been like deep in the trenches. of unsafe lands where I just know all. the occupants, all the residents of this. online territory hate my existence. And.

I will go in the trenches kneede in the. pure hatred spewing out in the comments. against me. Mind you, not to give any of. those people like very aggressively. hateful people any grace, but those. people, they don't even know me. I don't. know them. I don't personally care for I. have no interpersonal connection with. them and they still don't say such vile. Like it's crazy. I know it sounds. immature at times which is why I think. people aren't taking it as seriously. Well, they are but it's not. They don't. think the messages themselves are that. detrimental. I think more people are.

focused on the fact that Kendra is. crazy. But these messages are this is. like a freaking bombardment of hatred. If you look at maybe one message, sure, you could say it's goofy, but then when. you look at thousands of them coming in. non-stop, it's like suffocating. There. are even photoshopped pictures with. vomit emojis thrown on top of Lauren's. face, writing words like skank and all. over the photos. And it's interesting. because even a mean girl in high school. will probably not have this level of.

bizarrely immature pure hatred. And for. Kendra to have that against her own. daughter is bizarre. And I say immature. hatred not because I don't think it's. immature in the sense of oh this is dumb. but in the sense of like this feels like. jealousy in the purest form. It's not. even complicated jealousy. You know. sometimes with jealousy it's like I want. my family member to do well but I get. slightly jealous because I know when. they do well my parents will inevitably. compare me to them and then put me down.

So their happiness does in directly. impact my happiness. And it's like it's. a little more complicated. this pure. jealousy. >> Mhm. >> It's weird. And she's just so mean. One. text message not in the documentary. It. just says, "You're no one off.". Lauren doesn't respond, so she texts. speechless. Keep it that way. Another one just responds meanly, "Hey, how you lunch?" Lmo.

>> Wow. Huh. One part of the court document reads, "The texts go on to suggest that she is. losing her peer group and that no one. likes her. The effect of these messages. have on a teen is devastating and will. create lifelong trauma. Learning that. this was her own mother that perpetrated. this crime only exacerbates those. effects 10fold.". >> Wait, did uh her dad find out and what. was all of that reaction? >> We'll get into it. He was devastated. One netizen comment reads, "She was. obviously jealous of Lauren." Like be. for real, Kendra. And of course, nizens.

have taken to armchair diagnosed Kendra. Is it narcissistic personality disorder? But people are also arguing everybody. has that these days according to the. internet. So like what does that even. mean anymore? Some people are saying is. it borderline personality disorder? Others are arguing again everybody has. that antisocial personality disorder. But the one that's being more seriously. thrown around in this discourse is um. histrionic personality disorder. HPD is. usually characterized by a pervasive. pattern of excessive emotionality and.

attention-seeking behaviors. People who. genuinely are annoyed not being the. center of attention. They will act in. strangely inappropriate sexual ways in. front of even co-workers just to get. attention that they crave. Basically, another disorder that people like to. slap typically on women on the internet, but usually incorrect. It's not that. common to have HPD, but I do see how in. this specific case, some netizens are. coming to the theory that Kendra has it. Firstly, it's one of the nicer diagnosis. that you can give her. The other one.

just being like a pervert pedophile, but. they're basically saying Kendra is the. type to pretend to faint or get sick at. everyone's birthday parties. And maybe. that goes handinhand with the jealousy. that she feels for Lauren. the. speculation online being that she cannot. stand not being the center of attention. and she's being outshined by by her. daughter. I will say that HPD does have. a very strong stigma because I think the. need to be the center of attention and. it it comes off as someone who is very.

vapid or vain. But one good comparison. that people have with HPD is they say. like a character is like Harley Quinn. It's not like I just want everyone to. look at. It's usually connected to some. deep desire to feel accepted and they. just go about it in ways that could be. slightly destructive to themselves. Nevertheless, a lot of people believe. Kendra might have HPD, which does not. excuse her actions, nor does it mean. that someone with HPD would do something. like this. It's just part of the. discourse. A lot of people point to the. way that even at basketball games, she's.

like doing the cartwheels with all the. teen kids. Like it's weird, but at the. same time, she's bullying her own. daughter for her basketball performance. Text messages read, "LMFAO two points. You suck." With one comment reading, "She was jealous of her daughter. I. mean, she was pretty good. She was. pretty good at sports, was the number. one couple at school, and her mom envied. the attention she got, so she tore down. the town in order for her daughter to. have a greater need for the mom in her. life." Classic narcissistic abuse. Oh,

another thing that was just so jolting. in the court documents, Kendra kept a. screenshot of all the text messages. organized on her desktop. Literal PDF files of text messages, >> like the thousands of them. >> Yeah, a lot of them. And then another. folder just titled Snap. It has all of. her login history for Snapchat. And then. she has a folder that was titled just O. and it was a letter to Owen which was.

not included in the court document for. privacy reasons obviously but it's weird. we're going to touch up on that later. So that's theory number one. But being. jealous of her own daughter, which is a. very real thing that happens, there is. the other theory. The second theory, this is the one that Netflix kind of. drove more into, which is cyber. munchousin by proxy. So to give you some. context, Munchousin syndrome is someone. who loves to pretend to be sick, to make. themselves either literally sick or. pretend to be sick to get sympathy. It's.

giving I'm dying, but not actually. I. just like that you're nice to me when. you think I'm dying and I think I look. really good in a hospital gown. Munchousin by proxy is when a caretaker. makes their caretaking subject, usually. their child, sick, so everyone can rally. around them. And this is actually a lot. more dangerous because most of the time. it's not pretend. Most of the time they. are making their child sick and the. child has no idea and because the child. can't lie to the doctor so they just. physically make them sick. These are the.

people that like to wrap their little. cardigan around them and cry in the. hospital waiting room. It's very. terrifying. It's my poor child is sick. and I'm secretly poisoning them. And now. there's the online variation of it. Munchousin, where people will fake. having cancer, posting literal Tik Toks. of them getting chemotherapy, setting up. GoFundMes only for everyone to find out. that they don't have any sort of. terminal illness at all. They are. healthy as a horse. Then you have this. case, Cyber Munchin by proxy. Lauren is. getting bullied, cybersttocked, harassed, bullied. She is a victim and.

Kendra is her poor sympathetic mother. trying to fight for justice to make sure. her daughter is okay. That is the. theory. I mean, there have been reports. of people making fake accounts to bully. themselves for sympathy. There have been. other reports of people making fake. accounts to bully their friends. Okay, so this is where it gets weird. There. have been reports of person A making a. fake account to bully their best friend. online, person B. And then it's like an. anonymous hater. And then person A. switches back to their real account and.

defends their best friend. >> Oh. >> To drive their best friend closer to. them. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> I know. I was I was down a rabbit hole. looking into this cuz I was like cyber. munchous and by proxy. How does that. even work? >> Wow. That's fascinating. >> So now Kendra is a woman who. cyberbullies her daughter so that she. can feel needed. That is the theory out. there on why Kendra did all of this. Kendra's cousin says, "You know, Kendra. has been always an attention seeker, but. when it comes down to it, she's always a. good person. Maybe this is her way of.

making Lauren need her. You know, you. do, as a teenager, need your mom, but. not in that way. Lauren would come home. upset about these text messages, and. Kendra got to play the hero and be there. for her." The superintendent of the. school states she wanted her daughter to. need her in such a way that she was. willing to hurt her, and this is the way. she chose to do that versus physically. trying to make her ill, which is typical. Munchousin behavior. It is not. acceptable. But I think a lot of people. have accepted it because it's just more. digestible to think of it like that of, oh, okay, a mom who wants her daughter.

to need her seems a little bit more. maternal and acceptable than no, she. literally hates her daughter. I think. cuz I don't know why so many people are. running with this theory. I think there. is maybe a little bit of this, but I. don't think so. >> Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I think. the one thing I'm like, okay, I could. see that is she does use it as the whole. purpose of her life. >> I feel like, okay, I'm just if she wants. to do that, I would say, wouldn't she do.

it even more publicly on like platforms. on blogs, like just hating on the. daughter. >> Yeah. Make like a Gossip Girl bully blog. or something. >> So then the whole freaking make it more. public maybe. But this is like very. personal. She's like directly going. after the daughter's insecurities. >> Yeah, it's weird. And Kendra, she does. make this whole thing her personality. She'll go to the school every day to. talk about it. Someone gives her a. suggestion of like, "Why don't you get. her a new phone number?" She'll ignore. it, come back the next day, talk about.

it all over again. School members say, "I mean, you got Kendra and then you got. Owen's mom, Jill, going to the school. every day justing at Dan, who's the. principal. They're demanding that they. go through kids' phones, but luckily the. superintendent is like, "Hey, are you. insane? You're not going to go through. kids' phones. Like, we're not going to. have interrogations of the basketball. team." Side note, some of the sympathy. farming, if you will, is weird. Kendra. will take screenshots of the unknown. sender texting her own daughter to. self-exit, send it to Lauren's. classmates, or sometimes even call them.

to which a few of Lauren's classmates. are actually very stressed out about. this and they feel like now every text. or call from Kendra is going to be the. one where they are told that Lauren is. gone because that's how concerned they. are. One classmate says, "How much can a. little girl take?" So people are saying. that Jill, who is Owen's mom, is trying. to get to the bottom of this. Every time. she's talking to the principal, she's. trying to implement new things to figure. out who the texture is. Meanwhile, Kendra is just like sobbing. She's. trying to get thoughts and prayers and a. freaking casserole. That's the vibe.

which I don't know, but a lot of the. documentary runs with this theory. Kendra again says that's not why. She. says, "I'm not jealous of my daughter. This is also not why." She said that she. wanted to protect her daughter. She. says, "When I was 17, I was rwarded. And. as my daughter was hitting those teenage. years, I got scared. I got very scared. I didn't want her to go through the. process that I'd gone through. And I. think that really led me to not knowing. how to handle things, right? It was hard.

because I was reliving what I had been. through, but also at the same time. wanting to protect her. I wanted to try. to like control the outcome of her. journey. I was afraid of letting her. grow up some, right? Wanting to protect. her and keep her safe and keep her close. and scared to let her grow up because. scared of what could happen to her. A. lot of people are like, "What are you. talking about?". >> Yeah, >> what are you talking about? A lot of. netizens are confused why Netflix didn't. push back on Kendra's excuse. Side note, another text in the court docs we found. was Lauren texting, "I don't understand. any of this, but it's becoming very.

hurtful, and honestly, I'll do anything. for you to stop and leave our lives. alone. Neither of us did anything to. anyone to deserve this, and honestly, it. just makes me very sad." Kendra Unknown. Sender responds, "Shut the up. Owen. hates you and he could care less about. how your ugly anorexic ass feels. Give. up on him and yourself. You're. worthless. You lost." We will see when. you get caught. And I hope you know our. lives and feelings are not a game at. all. And it's sad you act like you're. proud of this and I might be worthless.

or whatever you're calling me, but. you're not worth my time, so please just. stop. Kendra just responds, "You're. jealous. Give up." And we won. Owen. picks us and you worthless trash to him. One netizen comments, I think she texted. her daughter hurtful things. She was. projecting her own insecurities onto her. daughter. The mother felt worthless. losing her jobs and probably felt like. self-exiting, so she texted her daughter. to hurt herself. Then maybe she was. jealous that her daughter was having. happy teenage years, carefree teenage. years while she was not. Then there is. another theory in the documentary that's.

touched up on for like 2 seconds, which. is Kendra was obsessed with Owen. So. like the jealousy of her daughter is. stemming from the fact that she's. jealous that her daughter is dating. Owen. Kendra wants a 13-year-old boy is the. theory. And it mainly comes from Owen's. mom stating that she believes Kendra is. obsessed. Kendra's own text messages, a. lot of them do come off very strangely. So, one text message reads, "You will never take him away from me.

You will never win when it comes to him. I will always win and I have always and. will always be more important to him. Owen loves me and I will always be the. girl he loves. You will not come into. his life and take him away from me. That. will not happen. You are a [ __ ] and I. want you out of his life." He will. always be with me while your lonely, ugly ass is alone. Owen and I need each. other. Sorry, not sorry. Lauren. responds, "I'm sorry you feel it's okay. to say stuff, and if it makes you feel. better about yourself, then good for.

you. I don't care what you say. Owen and. I are solid, and you're not going to. break us up." The response later to that. is, "This phone number is no longer in. service." Cuz she likes to change her. phone number a lot. >> And so it just feels like. >> what in the world? >> It feels like targeted towards Lauren. Yes. But it does feel weirdly obsessive. with Owen. Another text reads, "You are. worthless and mean nothing. You never. have. Get a life out of here. Owen will. never look at you again or talk to you. You his life so bad. His family hates. you for it. And he will never in his.

life acknowledge you again. Get the lost. as done with you. You embarrass him for. real. He picks ass over you every day at. school. He always has and always will. Lol. He hates you. You embarrass him. Make him miserable. He avoids your sorry. ass all day. You see him pick us over. you for real. Your worst girlfriend. and. he wants zero with your sorry ugly. anorexic ass. Just feels like some sort of unhinged. weird obsession. A lot of people say. that it just feels like jealousy in the. purest form, saying things like he wants. sex, BJs, and making out. Again, this is.

sent from a middle-aged woman to a. 13-year-old boy and to her own daughter. You don't give it up. He cheated on your. ass for more. She's an ugly anorexic and. sucks at everything. Ain't no one like. her. She up on your boys. Don't talk to. her. basically accusing Lauren of. talking to Owen's friends. Owen, you. promise do not talk to her. She ain't. worth it. People argue online that. whether it was jealousy towards her own. daughter, Munchousin by proxy, cyber. munchousin by proxy, whatever you want. to call it. None of these text messages. are appropriate to write to 13year-olds.

and and you can't really write it, some. netizens are arguing, without feeling. something towards that boy. It's just. kind of incomprehensible, >> right? Yeah. Like these messages are. really alarming to say. >> Yeah. >> Towards about a 13-year-old boy. >> Yeah. Another message reads, "Owen loves. me and I will always be the girl he. loves. He will be with me while your. lonely ugly ass is alone." In the. documentary, Kendra says he liked, you.

know, talking about Lauren and Owen. They liked a lot of the same stuff, you. know, a lot of the sports. They went. trick-or-treating together. Little. things like that. How can you say they. like trick-or-treating? recognize how. young they are and still text things. like this. Further proof that netizens. feel show that Kendra was obsessed with. Owen is all of the text messages seem to. center around them breaking up. Breaking. up the golden couple because Owen likes. us more than Lauren. Quote, "We will. win." Well, Kendra does win because.

Lauren and Owen end up breaking up. Owen. says, "We were on FaceTime and I told. her it was just too much." It's clear. the texture wanted them to break up. Owen says, "Maybe if we give them what. they want and they stop, maybe one day. we can try again.". >> Do you like just in the midst of all of. this? >> And he thought it was going to get. better because that was the whole point. of all these messages is for them to. break up, but it doesn't get better. because months later he goes to an away. game and he meets this girl from a. neighboring city like 2 hours away.

They're not officially dating. They're. just talking. But then he wakes up to a. text from her. Um, my mom just got a. random text from someone. Owen is like, "Here we go again. It's the same format, same words, telling the girl from Ping. Conning to back off of me because I'm. theirs." The texter went out of their. way to find her mom's phone number that. lives in Pinkconing. I just felt like I. couldn't do anything about it. I had no. >> Wait, wait, texting the girl's mom? >> Yeah, this like random girl's mom, >> but not texting the girl or Owen. >> No. >> What?

>> I just felt like I couldn't do anything. about it. I had no freedom. I felt like. I couldn't date anyone cuz I was putting. them in danger and I just didn't want. them to go through the same thing that. Lauren went through. It would eat me. alive each and every day. I feel like I. would I was losing trust in everyone. In. a text thread, the girl is asking him, "You know who it is?" "No, my mom just. got another text this morning. I'm. really sorry." Owen states, "So me and. the girl from Pink Conning ended up. breaking up because of this.". Furthermore, there's an anonymous tip. that gets sent in accusing Lauren of.

bullying Owen that is sent in by Kendra. herself. It feels like in some respects. she's competing with her own daughter. and all these other girls for this. 13-year-old boy. When they were dating, you know, Kendra would go out of her way. to go on these dates with Lauren and. Owen to take pictures of them. She. signed up to coach Owen's track team. She wanted to become his quote second. mom. She went out of her way to drive. Lauren 3 hours to watch one of Owen's. championship games. And there had been.

this huge tournament in Florida for. Owen. Kendra thought, "Why don't we turn. it into a whole Lucari family vacation?". To which Jill, Owen's mom, gently told. her, "Maybe not." But now, in hindsight, it just seems strange because even after. the breakup, Kendra is attending games. that Lauren is not going to. Sitting. right next to Owen's mom, Jill. Owen's. mom, Jill, says I think she became. obsessed with Owen, which is hard being. a mom and that she's a grown woman, but. I think there was some level of. relationship that she wanted to have.

with Owen that obviously is not. acceptable at her age. If you looked at. the way she treated him, how she. glorified him, how she would go out of. her way to do anything and everything. for him and just be noticed by him, she. would just randomly text him and try to. keep a connection with him. She came to. all his sporting events even after. Lauren and him broke up. >> This is disgusting. >> Weird. Owen says, "It felt like she was. attracted to me. She was super friendly, super like, here, I'll get this for you. I'll go do this for you." You know, it. just it just wasn't like it wasn't like.

it was my girlfriend's mom. It felt like. it was something more. She would do. things for me. She would cut my own. steak for me. It was just to the point. where it was just like almost too weird. When the police show up with a search. warrant for Kendra's devices, they. straight up ask Kendra, "Is there an. infatuation there with Owen?" And she. says, "No, nothing like that.". >> H. how do you feel? Does it feel weird? >> Feels weird. Now, need I remind you, she.

is also texting. Hi, Lauren. Owen is. breaking up with you. My tits in his. face, making him horny, make it cream. So, one person also states that they saw. Kendra take Lauren's phone. This is like. another student at the school. They saw. Kendra take Lauren's phone, read through. Lauren's messages with Owen, and then. proceed to text him back. I love you. Pretending to be Lauren. >> What? >> Regardless, when Kendra is confronted, Officer Maine tells her, "Okay, just. like tell me, you know, did he treat. Lauren bad? Was it an infatuation?

I mean, cuz it went on for a while." And. she says, "Um, >> what does that mean?". >> She just won't respond. I It seems like. she's just looking for the best way to. come off as least unhinged as possible. She says it didn't start that way. I'm. sure it didn't. I don't even know. >> So, they were dating and then they. started they broke up. So, how did how. did it really start? Like why did it. start at Did it start during when they. were both dating?

>> It did. >> Was he treating you bad? >> But it like it didn't the first ones. didn't start like with me. >> Okay. >> I will say that those ones were. like random or whatever. >> So, somebody else started those. You. don't know. >> Um, but then I like fed off of it. So, >> I get it. Was it because they broke out? >> No. >> What's going on? Like, >> one court document states the following. Repeatedly, Miss Lucari called her own.

daughter terrible names and suggested. that Owen was interested in other girls. and that she could never please him the. way he wanted. The sexually suggested. text and repeated messages calling her. ugly, anorexic, and worthless all seem. to be designed to cause mental anguish. to Lauren and break up the teen's. relationship. Truly, I have no clue how she wasn't. charged with some sort of sexual crime. against a minor. In one message from the. court doc, she messages them about how. she sits next to them in science class. and they talk about fingering and.

jerking. Sorry, not sorry. Yeah. So, what did she. get charged with? >> Stalking a minor and obstruction of. justice. >> Oh, that's it. >> Yeah. >> All of this is just considered stalking. a minor. Yeah. >> Is there sentencing or. >> Yes. So, she plead guilty. She actually. had like five different counts, but she. plead guilty to two counts of stalking a. minor. And she did ultimately receive. just 19 months, which is like nothing. Yeah, >> but I think um there was an argument of.

there was no crime, a sexual crime. because there was no trying to set up. She didn't send any lewd photos. >> She didn't try to ask for photos. She. didn't try to solicit a minor to meet. with her to conduct some sort of illegal. activity. I still don't understand how. this doesn't count as sexual harassment. at the very least of a minor. But. >> yeah, >> I mean, she just has a sick obsession. with the word creamy. Cream. Cream. And.

sometimes she will literally just text. cream. And then another one in caps. cream. And another message. Remember. when he used to touch my leg? He be. touching more now. He always pick me. Bedroom pics coming. Be jealous. He. hitting for now. Lm fao. But then in comes a new theory. So after. watching the documentary, some people. feel that Jill, Owen's mother was the. target and not as in Kendra wants her or. maybe wants to be accepted by her, wants.

to be taken in as a best friend by. Owen's mom. Owen's parents have the life. that it appears Kendra really wanted. Kendra really wanted that quintessential. small town popular parents lifestyle. storyline. Owen's dad was the star. outfielder for baseball at Beiel City. High School. Jill was a Beiel City. cheerleader. Jill says in another report. that Kendra always talked about Lauren. and Owen like they were going to be. together forever. So the theory being. she wanted the kids to get married just. so she could have a good standing in the.

community as one of the popular parents. Owen starts pulling away because of. these text messages. This is like a few. weeks before they break up and he's just. saying it's hard to be with someone. after all of that. Meanwhile, Kendra. really wants them to stay together. because Kendra is texting Lauren in the. gym. So, they're in the gym together and. Kendra is texting Lauren. Lauren is not. sitting next to Owen. They're on rocky. footing and she's texting her daughter. Sit next to him. Answer me. Come here. now. I'm pissed. Move your ass now. Now.

I am fuming. Pissed off. This is. ridiculous. Answer me and move your ass. >> What is happening? So she did all of. that to break them up. >> Yeah. So that's why some people are like. it doesn't make sense and like it's. complicated. There is a cut article that. focuses on this. The Netflix documentary. focuses more on cyber munchousen and. then the court documents is like a blend. of everything. So it's like when you. just have one piece of the media when. you just watch the documentary or you. just read the cut article it all seems.

like oh no it was because of this, it. was because of this. But then when you. put it all together it's like I she's. crazy. So, what what what did the article focus. on? >> Well, they're providing these text. messages. I mean, they didn't really. expand more on it, but it just maybe it. seems like that's the reason. Maybe if. she thought Lauren and Owen got married, she would be connected to one of the. more popular families in BC. >> Or maybe she knows that now she is going. to be more distant from Owen.

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But the text messages are weird. And. even after the breakup, Kendra goes to. sit with Jill at Owen's games. And Jill. would be on the phone with Kendra even. after the breakup because they're just. trying to get to the bottom of who is. sending all these messages. And Kendra. was more occupied with the idea of the. kids getting back together. She would be. talking to Jill like only broke up with. her because of the text messages, right? Some text messages after the breakup. from the unknown sender read, "He wants. a real girl with a body and about.

getting down. He's done with goody goody. that ain't giving it up. He on to. better." Some netizens are theorizing. that maybe she is bullying her own. daughter. >> to push her. >> to do more. >> To do more so that they can stay. together. >> That is so sick and twisted. >> I feel like every theory is more sick. and twisted than the last. >> Wow. >> In the documentary, Kendra also talks. about Jill like their best friends. Kendra says, "Jill and I spoke about it. When we are together, we could just talk. about anything, share things, kind of.

like feel like a support there." And. there are constant messages from the. unknown sender, oddly stating that. Owen's family loves her more than. Lauren, which again is odd. One text. reads, "Girl, please, you can't stop. us." And we as mom's faves, she all. about us. She loves us. Sorry, not you. Owen messaging us right now. Another one. pulled from the court dock reads, "We. know who his mom wants him with. It's. clear. Get on Facebook and you'll see. another one. What the? Be with his mom. at the game. For real. He don't want you. near his family. Whatever. They like me,

not you. He is over your sorry ass. Stay. the way. Told you before. You never take. my place. He hates you. It's weird. >> So after they broke up, what are these. the message? After they broke up, >> the messages actually get worse after. We talk every day. You suck. I'm better. And give him what he wants. leave him. and his family the alone. So maybe. there's like a yearning of a sense of. belonging with Jill Owen's mom. They're. fighting this bad guy together. Bringing. them closer, bringing their kids.

together was maybe what she thought she. was doing. Pushing the two families to. be trauma bonded together and nobody. else can understand them. Nobody else. knows what they're going through. Nobody. else can understand and stick together. type of mentality. One portion of the. court doc reads, "To date, we are left. to speculate the motive for this crime, but it appears that the goal was simply. to cause mental torture to her daughter. and then be there to support her in her. time of need. It should not be. overlooked that Miss Lucari may have had. an unhealthy infatuation with Owen that.

caused her to create a rift in their. relationship. People are confused. Then. we just have the pure chaos theory. She. just gives the energy that she wants to. sew absolute chaos and be the center of. attention is how some netizens feel. For. over a year, Kendra is playing Sherlock. Holmes, Scooby-Doo, Criminal Minds, except it's her own brain scan. Dan. Boyer, the principal of the high school. He thought he was going to figure it. out. He thought he was going to crack. the freaking code. But it just I mean. Kendra would come in. She would she.

would be so upset every single day. talking to parents, talking to Dan. She. would she would frame the other kids. Also, another thing, I don't know how. anybody thought that this was a teenager. texting them because the way that the. text messages, it was just grammatically. atrocious to the point where it is. clearly an adult trying to be a. 13-year-old. Eventually, Kendra just like drops the G. to everything and everything becomes um. everything becomes everything, playing. nothing, which is somewhat more.

acceptable. But then she even drops it. for leggings, which now become leggings. Leggings. Stop wearing leggings. There's just no way that a teenager is. texting like this. And the fact that all. the administrators and even the sheriff. later is going to think that it's a. teenager is crazy. Kendra at this point. has been let go from her job. She has. been lying to Shawn, her husband. She's. been lying to Lauren about having a job, spending 8 hours a day doing this, and. then showing up to the school every day, demanding answers, pointing fingers,

just mayhem. This woman is a menace, and. she's complaining. She complains in the. Netflix documentary. She says, "We were. hoping for some type of action, right?". So, we really thought the school would, you know, kind of let's see what we can. do. Unfortunately, in my opinion, I. don't think the school handled things. very well. Ma'am, you're the one sending. the messages. Why are you commenting on. the investigation into you? Eventually, the local sheriff's office decides that. they are going to try and get to the. bottom of this case. And they go about. it for a year in the most bizarre.

fashion. Officer Sheriff Maine is like, Sheriff Maine is like, I got it. The. messages start around Halloween. Who was. hosting the Halloween party? Chloe. Wilson. You know what Khloe Wilson, a lot of the. kids said? She likes to use the word. bruh. A lot of the text messages say, "Brahu, her dad's a cop. Her mom is a. popular mom at the school, and this is. like the popular family." So, is it. Chloe? Now, it does appear in the.

documentary that Chloe has a bit of a. reputation as a mean girl. Some say that. she is the mean girl of the school. Others say that she's just popular and. confident and has leadership qualities. And just to give you an idea, Chloe has. two best friends, Sophie and Macy. They. are like the trio. Lauren's not really. part of this group, and all three of. them are close with Owen. But there were. allegations that Khloe and her friends. threw carrots at a girl named Adriana, who also happens to be Owen's cousin, to.

which Khloe's mom says, you know, there. were just multiple allegations against. Kloe where she was bullying or she. wasn't being nice to this person. The. principal called Kloe in constantly and. she's like, I'm not doing anything. Her. dad, Mr. Cop Wilson, says she was a. leader at the time. She had a huge. friend group. It spanned to several. other schools, you know. So, I think. that to some people, I'm not going to. say they were offended by that, but. maybe they wanted that sort of thing for. themselves. A lot of people don't like. this family after the documentary. And I. don't know. I I think it's bad to say.

whether we like or dislike Chloe. I. think it's hard to say. And she's in. such formative years of her life, but. the parents definitely give off mean. energy. >> Yeah. Yeah. A lot of netizens have been. commenting, "Yeah, the girls definitely. threw the carrots for sure." But she, Chloe, has known Owen since they were. younger, and they've always had this on. andoff crush situation. Both of them. kind of had crushes on each other, but. never ended up dating. The reason a lot. of people thought it was at her at first. is because she seemed really jealous of.

Owen's relationship with Lauren. Sophie. says about Khloe and Owen, they weren't. I don't know how to explain their. relationship. They were a little bit. more than friends. They kind of always. liked each other. Owen and Kloe became. like really good friends and then he. started dating Lauren is what Sophie. says. Even Owen admits Lauren and Kloe. never got along. Chloe wasn't the nicest. person. She's not a bully, but she. wasn't a nice person by any means. And I. think she had some she said some things. to Lauren that just made Lauren not like.

her. Lauren says, "Chloe always had a. crush on Owen. I think she would always. just go and talk to him just to make me. jealous. I didn't like her because I. feel like we just had two completely. different vibes. We played basketball. together and we just didn't match each. other. So, when the unknown sender. starts intentionally texting about. Lauren's bad basketball games and. taunting her about her scores, it feels. like it might be Chloe who's very. competitive on the team. And then. there's a message where the unknown. sender is like, "You scored basically no. points. I scored 12 loser." Kendra is.

the volunteer scorekeeper at the games. She helps Lauren look up who on the team. scored 12 points. And what do you know? The only person that scored 12 points. that night was Chloe. >> She's framing. >> Kendra is framing Chloe. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Kendra's framing Chloe. Khloe's getting. investigated by Officer Maine. Her. friends are investigating her. Khloe's. so fed up she ends up giving her phone. to Owen for the day. She's like, "Take. my phone. Take my freaking phone. And if.

you get text messages, then it's not. from me.". >> And then there's no message. There's. still messages coming in. >> Oh. Oh, okay. Cuz I was thinking if the. mom found out, then she would be like, "I'm not texting.". >> No. So there's no messages. And then. even after all of that, nobody believes. Chloe. So then her dad, who happens to. be a cop, is like, "Hey, just get your. phone extracted." Like do a phone poll, right? Do a full digital extraction of. your phone, which will show when you. delete things like how long to die in. cold. It'll show you all those things,

what apps you've used, hidden, stuff. like that. all of that. I'll allow it. So then they do it and there's nothing. And Khloe's parents have been adamant. until the very this like since the. beginning that it was not their. daughter. They even text the sheriff. personally. Honestly, Mike, I don't know. if you know Kendra or not, but you. really need to be cautious. There's a. pretty good part of me that thinks that. she may be very well doing this. This is. what Khloe's dad texts officer Maine in. the beginning of the investigation. Even.

in the court documents we received in. the interview note, the officer writes. about Khloe's dad. Have you looked at. Kendra Lucari as a possible suspect? She. has had some issues in the past with. Khloe. She used to coach Khloe. Khloe. got bumped up and Kendra was very upset. about it. >> What does that mean, bumped up? >> I guess on the team, like she was doing. better on the team and Kendra is getting. very upset about it. >> And if there's one thing Kendra is going. to do, it's just too much. Wait, how did. the dad know? So, the the dad Khloe's.

dad kind of knew. Yeah. >> From the get- go. Yeah. >> But nobody else hadn't believed it. >> Mhm. >> Huh. >> After Chloe gives an extraction of her. phone, another message comes in, which. is, "I talked police yesterday, then. kept my phone, searched it, copied it, found nothing bad.". >> Yeah. >> She's still doing it. >> Yeah. And then a picture of Chloe and. Owen hanging out is sent. And then.

girls be spending night real cream. I. don't know what that means, but it got. to the point where everyone realized. there's just no way that it's Chloe, which is how Owen's own cousin is the. next to be accused because she is one of. the few people that would dislike Khloe. enough to frame her for this. She is the. one that alleged Chloe and her friends. threw carrots at her. >> Adriana says nervously. They had their. group and if you weren't part of their. group, you were considered what I call. the outsiders. And if you were an.

outsider, they weren't nice to you. >> Your cousin? >> No, this is Sophie. Sophie says, "When. we were in middle school, Adriana made. up this rumor that we bullied her and. that we threw carrots at her. There's no. one else that would dislike us that much. to make it sound like we were bullying. someone else." Meanwhile, Khloe's. parents state, you know, parents were. involved making Facebook posts. Adriana's mom was saying like, you know, I'm on a victim. I'm a victim. You know, that kind of journey. So, my finger is. pointing towards Adriana. That's what I.

think it is. So, they either So, they. either think it's Kendra or Adriana. And. most people are leaning towards Adriana. because they're like, "Oh, well, she's. probably trying to get back at Khloe.". >> Okay. So, that's interesting. So, you're. saying at this point there are already. fingers pointing at Kendra. >> Yes. Okay. That's also another thing. So, in the documentary, it seems like a. lot of people didn't even suspect. Kendra. But then in a lot of different. articles around that time when it. actually happened, a lot of sources are. saying a lot of the parents in town. suspected Kendra. >> Wow.

>> Because of the way she was behaving. >> Okay. And and she's still going on with. her text. >> Mhm. >> Even though people are already coming. up. Okay. Wow. And additionally, there. is a picture sent by the unknown sender. that of a gift that someone had taken at. a Christmas gathering, which only Owen. and his extended family would have been. able to get. I don't know how Kendra got. that photo, but she did. So, that's why. Adriana was suspected for a really long. time, which I'm imagining naturally put. a divide into Owen's family. Adriana. says, "I just didn't know how people.

thought that I could do it. It was just. very hurtful cuz I was the quiet kid at. school. Like, I didn't really talk to. anybody. I wronged nobody. I was just. kind of confused as why they thought I. would do that. Yeah. Walking into class. after being questioned by Sheriff Maine, everybody was looking at me like they. knew what happened. They were looking at. me like they knew I was guilty. Kendra. is just ruining everybody's lives at. this point. At one point, people start. suspecting Lauren and Kendra is feeding. that on, too. She's submitting anonymous. tips onto okay to say, which is like an.

anonymous tip site for high schools, and. basically saying, "Yeah, I think Lauren. could be trying to get this doing this. for attention. >> to herself.". >> Basically, one part of the court. document reads, "At numerous stages of. the commission of this crime, Miss. Lucari had an opportunity to simply. quit, but instead she continued to. harass the victim, further inject. herself into the case by attempting to. thwart the police investigation with. false leads and deceitful information. She broke up a group of friends for. seemingly no reason other than personal. gratification. And Kendra pretends Oh,

Kendra text with another new number. Okay. Pretending to be a friend of. Chloe. >> Okay. >> And text Lauren and Owen. Quote, "I. don't know either of you that well. I. got your numbers from a friend. I know. the people messaging you. I reported it. to okay to say. I was with one of them. while they were doing it. I hope. reporting it helps." I recommend being. very careful. They were lying and from. what I learned, putting on a very good. act. It makes me sick to my stomach to.

know that they're proud of breaking you. guys up. I don't want to be friends with. anyone who does this and I'm going to. distance myself from those. relationships. I'm just going to leave. it to volleyball only, which Chloe and. Sophie and Macy are all part of the. volleyball team. I talked to my parents. We made the decision to report through. okay to say, and if needed, they will. call the school. You both seem very. nice. Hope this helps. Yo, she is sick and twisted. >> There are so many layers to this. And. all I have to say is that Kendra. genuinely terrifies me. And at one.

point, she straight up just text, "Brahu, the up blue ice is shit." UP. being an area in Michigan where Chloe. was for winter break and then. immediately texts back, "Wrong person. Sorry. It's winter break. Chloe is in. UP. Everybody knows she's there.". Uh-huh. >> She texts after like, "Sorry, not sorry. You look ugly in leggings, bro. The up. blue ice." And. >> like she's on vacation. >> Yeah. And then immediately, wrong.

person. Sorry. >> Yo. >> Or maybe she was just trying to frame. them because in the full body cam. footage that we received, I did see some. part that was interesting. Kendra is. explaining that she sent the messages. because quote Lauren struggled with a. group of kids at school for a long time. and she was having a really hard because. they were targeting her in a sense and. they were trying to come in between them. and do all this stuff. So that's just.

very interesting. Now Sean Lucari. Lauren's dad was just not having a good. day that day. He found out that day that. not only is his wife, the mother of his. child, the one sending these messages, which she hasn't had a job in over a. year, and she has been lying to him. about all of that. All of it. >> Can we see his reaction? >> Yeah. And he's upset. He's trying to. confront her like, "You need to tell me. now in front of the cops because if they. leave and I'm talking to you, like one.

of us is going to get arrested and then. no one can take care of Lauren." And. he's like, "What the hell are you. saying? You haven't had a job." And at. one point she says that she quit from a. job recently, but it was she was let go. like a year ago. >> But so he's upset with that obviously. cuz she's lying. But is he upset about. the daughter situation? >> A lot of people were upset with Shawn. about it because in the body cam footage. it seems like he's more fixated on the. job thing. >> I will say though, I think a lot of it. probably has to do with the fact that. the job thing is something that he can. actually express anger about. It's.

something I think is more manageable in. his mind to showcase his anger because. it seems like Shawn is a really good. support system for Lauren. Afterwards, he does divorce Kendra immediately, but. I think the the text message thing is so. shocking. I don't even think he can wrap. his mind around it to even ask her the. right questions or any questions. >> Are you telling me the truth or you. lying? No. >> When did you get go from there? at the.

same time. >> So, you've been lying to me for like 6. months, a year, and you have network for. Texas, >> right? >> So, I think he starts with the job. thing. I also wonder if there's more to. the job thing because um the in one of. the other articles, it was talking about. how, and this wasn't in the documentary, so it it's just kind of like piecing. together all the things. It was talking. about how a lot of people that worked. with Shawn knew that something was off. with with Kendra because Shawn would. come into the auto body shop. He's a. mechanic and he would talk about how.

well they're getting evicted because. they were scammed by some person in New. Mexico. >> Oh. >> Uh well the car and he believes all of. it and all the co-workers are like. >> so they're like financially stranded for. a year. >> Yes. And Kendra is making up all sorts. of crazy lies. Oh, her check bounced for. the kids something because um she had. someone hack her. >> and Shawn just believes it. And I wonder. if it got to the point where he. confronted Kendra and Kendra got mad at.

him and he's defending Kendra. I don't. know. >> I don't know. But he he's I I think. netzens are being hard on him and Lauren. based off of this body cam footage. >> Lauren? >> Yeah. Because she doesn't really show. much emotion and that even caused people. to accuse her of being part of it. >> How old was she then? >> 15. I think first of all, I think the. language that the officer gave was so. vague and I think the officer said it in. such a way where it was almost too.

sympathetic to Kendra for Lauren to. have. I think it just I wouldn't know. how to respond to that. >> Yeah, >> it's just a weird conversation. And then. it's shock to be like, "Oh, it's your. mom who's been telling you to self-exit. for two years straight and talking about. how cream and your 13-year-old boyfriend. who broke up with you and broke your. heart." Like, it's weird. And then. additionally, I also think that she kind. of keeps looking at Kendra frequently. And I wonder if you grow up with a. parent like that, you're constantly.

gauging their reactions and then trying. to even subconsciously react in a way. that you think that they will not have. such a big reaction towards your. reaction. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I see the. complication of the emotions. Like she. the mom's super manipulative and. >> Yeah. >> Because even at the end, Sean is like, "You're going to go. you're going to. call your parents, then you're going to. go. And Kendra is like on top of Lauren. is like, "No, I can't leave her." And. he's like, "No, you're going to go.".

>> Wow. >> Yeah. >> You need to go somewhere tonight. I. don't know where you got to go, but. she's got to go. Now, the last theory is. very dark, and I don't think it's a big. big theory, but there are people who. believe and speculate and are concerned, stating they felt like it's crazy how. this went on for so long, and they. believe that Lauren was likely in a lot. more danger than people are leading on. They suspect that Kendra wanted Lauren. to self-exit so that she could trauma. bond with Owen and his family and get.

the town's sympathy as well as unload. financial burdens and perhaps even her. jealousy against Lauren. Netzens point. out the messages of like, "You done, he. hates you. He said he regrets you. You. were a mistake. He said you never meant. anything to him and his life would be. better if you were dead." Just the. constant focusing on being dead is just. a lot. Jill Owen's mom says at one point. her and Kendra had gone in to talk to. the sheriff and the sheriff is like well.

are you scared that your children are. going to self harm because these are the. messages that they're getting. I mean. primarily Lauren and Kendra is quiet to. the point where Jill responds the answer. is yes Kendra we are afraid Lauren could. hurt herself. Kendra says in the Netflix. documentary because she's asked, "Were. you afraid she was going to hurt. herself?" Because there were messages. telling her to selfexit. So, I can say. that I was not scared of her hurting. herself. Um, and I know some people may. question that or diminish that or. whatever, but I know Lauren and I know.

the conversations that her and I have, but if you didn't know her as well as I. did, it might be different. It sounded like she's trying to give. herself grace of like, "Oh, I that's why. I send it because I know nothing's going. to happen to her.". >> This was not in the documentary, but. some more messages in the court doc. read. Choke on more pills. We could care. less. Owen promised we won't get in. trouble. Off. Take more pills. No one. cares about your anorexic, ugly, worthless [ __ ] She shouldn't have. showed her face today. Her fault for.

being here. Let's go do this. Finish the. weak ass. Hate the [ __ ] destroy. wreck. Finish her tomorrow. [ __ ] beat. you. We finish it. What the? We said. show you [ __ ] [ __ ] be gone. Make. our lives better. You mother. You know. what the went down. We ain't lying. We. hung this weekend. [ __ ] she a weak. ass. Need a beat out of her. His sister. say you a pitful like pitiful ain't got.

no friends. And a lot of people also. point to the fact that she texts this. early on before she's sending all of. these like self-exit messages. She sends. one. and then 30 minutes later she takes it. back. She says, "Sorry, I shouldn't say. dead. That was too far." Because in. previous messages, she was saying like, "He wants you dead. We all want you. dead.". >> Uh-huh. >> And then she's like, "Sorry, I shouldn't. say dead. That was too far.".

So it just feels like. >> and then a few months later she's like. full on like get be gone. It just feels. like you have to put you you're not just. texting these things as like oh that. sounds like bullying because if you're. saying sorry like dead was too far. It. sounds like you mean a lot of the things. you're saying. >> Others are saying well I mean you spent. 2 years bullying your own daughter with. her biggest insecurities. How do you not think that they're not. going to self-exit? One netizen theory states, "Kendra. wanted Lauren to self-exit so she didn't.

have to do anything. Even though she's. speaking in third person on those text. messages, she meant everything is my. theory. She wanted her daughter gone.". Others are speculating it's because. Kendra is not from the area. Shawn is. She marries Shawn, but she doesn't. really have a good standing in the area. She's not really a popular parent. and. maybe she wanted to fit in and get. sympathy and do all of these things if. Lauren was gone. It just appears that. Kendra has no remorse. Even during the.

initial search warrant where there's. body cam footage, she lies about not. having two phones. It's actually Shawn. who outs her and is like, "Did you get. all of her devices?" Because she's got. another phone and it's like hidden. outside the house. >> in a in a little like wooden box. >> You're kidding me. So Sean always knew. she got two phones. >> Yeah. He thought it was a work phone, but now he was like putting it together. like, "Oh, well, you got to make sure. you get all her phones because I thought. it was a work phone, but if you're. telling me she's not even working, then. I don't know what that phone is.". Basically,

>> where where was the phone? >> It was hidden outside near the side of. the house, like wedged in between wooden. blocks. >> They just follow her out and then she. dug it out. >> No, they were like, "Tell us where it. is.". >> And they they were telling her in the. body cam footage, "Hey, so you need to. tell us where all your devices are. We. don't want to, but we will flip this. house upside down to look for every. single one unless you just tell us. Huh? >> So, she tells them. >> And about that day, Kendra will later. tell Netflix it was a very high. emotional day in our house. Um, a day of.

confusion, unknown answers, shock, a day. of not knowing how we move forward to. the next day. So, it was a hard day, but. at the same time, it was an end. I think. it was more of a mistake. It took me out. of real life in a sense, even though it. was real life. So when I was doing that, I wasn't myself. It removed me from. everyday life. Just kept going and. going, you know. >> Wow, that's a way to describe it. >> Yeah. Lauren says, "I think the shock. feeling turned into sad, which turned.

into mad, which turned into crazy. I. didn't even know how to describe the. feeling. Why would mom do this? Like, did she really have to do this?" Like, I. can't believe it. Honestly, I was just. really confused. She told me to. selfexit. It makes me feel a little bit. sad, like why is my own mom telling me. to do that? I've like talked to her. about it, but not necessarily like why. did you tell me to self-exit? I I still. question it every day. Like I still. don't know why. The documentary director. is later interviewed by Variety and they.

state Kendra is a little bit of an. enigma. I think that she had a lot of. time to think about what she did. She. was in therapy when she was incarcerated. and I believe that she's still seeing a. therapist. She had put thought into what. she did. I don't know that she's fully. recognized or realized what it was that. she did or why she did it. I guess only. Kendra could answer that. They're asked. by Variety. I would never want to show. my face again if I were her. Why do you. think that she sat down for your. cameras? She was nervous about going on. camera because just sitting down and. telling your story is a nerve-wracking. thing sometimes, but she was so great.

and she actually ended up really loving. the experience. At the end of it, she. said it was kind of fun. She laughed. about things and I think it was really. an opportunity for her to think about. things a little more in depth. Every. time I would ask a question, she would. really have to think about some things. and I think that was really good for. her. To which one netzen comments, I'm. sure she genuinely thinks the. documentary is about her. Her eyes were. excited during the whole documentary. Yeah. Which is interesting because the.

reporter from Cut who did like a think. piece on this case reached out to Kendra. while she was in jail and Kendra's. response to her was, "I do ask that you. truly think about the kids that are. involved in this situation." Kindidge. coming from Kendra, >> including my daughter who is trying to. move forward and has a bright future. ahead of herself. These stories are. doing additional harm to her. I can. handle the pain, but she cannot and does. not deserve it. She is moving forward. with life and doesn't deserve to be put. in the spotlight anymore or having.

people thinking her mom is a villain as. that is hard mentally and emotionally. for her. >> They will never change. >> No, Shawn has been going through it. The. officer said Sean was just like a broken. person. Sean says I'm like, "Are you for. real?" I said, "This is my wife doing. this. I just can't believe she would do. something like that to her own daughter. that supposedly she loved dearly. You. know, a 14 to 15year-old girl. You know, it just makes me sick. She stabbed me in.

the heart, shot me in the heart, and. threw it away. Netflix interviews Lauren. twice. So, they interview her while her. mom is serving her sentence 19 months in. jail. And Lauren is telling them, "Not. having a relationship with my mom, I. just don't feel like myself. I feel like. I really need her in my life. I know my. dad's angry and probably like never. going to forgive her, but I just kind of. put that aside and just have the. relationship with my mom that I want. The director asks, "Do you think people. judge you for missing your mom?" M I.

think some people might have their own. opinions on it, but honestly, I would. say I don't really care. But when they. come back a year later after Kendra has. been released, Lauren is forbidden from. seeing Kendra during her I think it's. because of her probation. But Lauren. says that she's approaching it with. caution. So it seems like she's actually. more hesitant now. >> So maybe that time was good to process. everything that's been going on. >> But the judge in Kendra's case states, >> to be candid, you know, this was truly a.

horrible case. It's the kind of case. that makes me glad that when I'm done. with my term next year, I'm retiring. >> Like Kendra is driving your honor up the. wall with this one. to have a judge that. oversees criminal cases excited to. retire because of what you've done. I. mean, that's got to be as far as you can. get. The judge goes on a rant about the. internet telling the courtroom all the. communication on the internet. Just. horrible people. Just horrible people. They will hide their identity and. they'll act in a horrible manner.

Sometimes you see the worst in human. nature because people, they realize they. can say whatever they want on the. internet. Kendra states very vaguely. that she's embarrassed, she's sorry, and. this and that. and her attorney is. saying that it's all because of the. trauma of being rworded when she was 17. and she is reliving it now that Lauren. is approaching that age and. it's just it's a mess. The judge says, "I'm empathetic to your mental health. issues. I received the psychiatric. evaluation this morning. When I read the. pre-sentence report, I wasn't getting.

any sense of why this occurred.". Normally, you know, acting as a judge. when I'm dealing with a criminal. defendant, I know why they're doing what. they do. You know, people addicted to. drugs, they possess drugs, they use. drugs. People that are thieves, they. steal. It's not right, but you can kind. of understand, you know, why a person is. in front of me. This case is. inexplicable. I read the psychiatric. evaluation today. That gives me a little. more insight on why you did it, but you. know, it doesn't excuse what you did and. you know, because you know that because. you just told me that. Basically saying. like, I kind of get it, but not really.

Even after reading your psyche, Val, I. don't get it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even Owen is like, I. how could a mom do such a thing? It's. just crazy that someone that close could. do something like that, not even just to. me, but also to her own daughter. >> What What else has um Owen and uh Jill, like his mom, like everybody said about. when they found out or. >> they said that they were just shocked? >> Yeah. Jill like told the FBI agent, "No, it's not Kendra. There's no way it's. Kendra. >> No way." And then uh it was Kendra and.

she was pissed because like the act of. Kendra every day for years going and. trying to act like trying to find let's. all sleuth together. Let's find who's. harassing our kids. Meanwhile, it's her. and Jill took it really hard. There. would be days there was one time Jill. was talking about where Owen came into. Jill's room and he was so distraught. He. tells his mom, "It's your duty as my mom. to protect me and find out who's doing. this to me and you're not doing that.". and she was so frustrated. She's like. breaking down crying. There are emails.

Kendra is writing emails to Lauren when. she was in jail prison and they read, "Hello, curly monkey head. I'm mad at. you. You made me sad. You only said bye. You didn't say I love you, but I forgive. you. Xoxo, I love you. Have a finale. day." It's a combination of fantastic, awesome, and terrific. Another one. reads, "Good morning, beautiful. daughter. I miss you like crazy. You are.

the brightest light in the universe. Sending butterfly kisses. Call you. tonight. I love you. Love, love, love, love, love, love you." Now that she's. out since August 2024, Lauren has not. seen her mom. Um, she says, "I think I. want to trust her now, but I don't know. if I can now that she's out. I just want. her to get the help that she needs so. when we do see each other, it doesn't go. back to um the old ways and how it was. before. Being without that relationship, I think is really hurting me. I think. rebuilding our relationship will help.

both of us a lot. Kendra says even though she hasn't seen. Lauren, we both know that we're with. each other no matter what. I definitely. think that we can have a healthy. relationship. I know that we both hold. that bond that we have very close. There. is another part of the documentary that. is under fire. Near the end, Khloe's. parents are sitting at a table and they. say, "Well, Khloe's mom says, "I told. someone else that Sean and Lauren are. going to play this off like they were. the victim in this. They had no clue. what was going on and they're going to. get away with it because Mike Maine.

didn't do his job and investigate them.". And that's exactly what happened. So, she's accusing Shawn and Lauren of being. a part of this. >> What? >> Yeah. to which netizens are on the. sentiment of Khloe's mom is saying cruel. things about Lauren and her father who. have literally lost everything saying. they're playing victims. No ma'am, they. are victims and it's so desperately. tragic. I feel so bad for both of them. So they're saying, "Yeah, we also feel. bad for Chloe, but like you can't just. say stuff like that." Furthermore, Khloe's mom apparently last Halloween.

dressed up as a scarecrow in a prison. jumpsuit with a mask of Kendra's mug. shot and had a bunch of fake cell phones. taped to her hands. Netzens naturally had a field day with. that with some writing, "The scarecrow. thing is demented. Who mocks an absolute. horrific tragedy of abuse and mental. illness like that? Khloe's mom and the. other moms are just as bad in my. opinion." To which someone responds, "Kendra told her own daughter to. self-exit. In no way are the other moms. just as bad for a tasteless joke. Khloe. was also a victim here. An adult woman.

tried to frame and her frame her for. harassment and cyber bullying. I give. her mom some leeway." But another. comment reads, "What stuck out to me in. the documentary was the Wilsons. Khloe's. family, all three of them. The not my. kid attitude when clearly their daughter. was a mean girl. Again, I have no. opinion on Khloe and I don't think we. should. We really don't know much about. Chloe, but I will say her parents are. kind of conducting themselves in a. strange way, at least in the. documentary. Another comment reads, "My. heart aches for Lauren and her dad Shawn.

Owen and his cousin Adriana. Owen's. parents seem like good people, but poor. Lauren. Chloe and her parents give off. real bully vibes and Kendra is just bad. crazy. Everybody needs to get out of. that small town. That's the moral of the. story is what the comment is saying. Some people have thoughts about Owen. Owen says in the documentary that I. haven't talked to Lauren since a very. long time ago. Yeah, I was mad at. Lauren. I don't think I'll talk to her. in the future. Some people are really. upset with him for that. Saying that why.

is he upset with Lauren when she's also. a victim? I think it comes down to when. it came down to Kendra's sentencing, Lauren and her family were well, Lauren. was very supportive of Kendra and Owen. and his family clearly wanted Kendra to. have a longer prison sentence. So, I. think it put them at odds. And I'm sure. it's really complicated. And some people are just confused like, how is Kendra not exhausted after lying. like this for 2 years?

And that is the case of Kendra Lukari. and all of the things that maybe were. not in the documentary or didn't deep. dive in the documentary as well. Although, I will say it's a pretty well. done documentary. I really Yeah, you. should watch it. But what are your. thoughts on it? Let me know in the. comments. Stay safe and I will see you. in the next one.

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[Applause]. >> 3 doesn't your status. >> Hi, Kendra. >> Hi. >> We got to have a conversation. >> Okay. And I have a search warrant. >> Okay. >> For your devices and your phones. >> Okay. >> All right. So, I want to go in and sit. down and talk. Is anybody else here? Florida.

I want you to set here. Detective, do. you have your phone on you? >> Yeah. >> Here's a search warrant. Do you have any. uh other devices you use? >> Do you have a laptop?

>> Computer outside. >> Where is it at? >> Um on the back porch back. Is it a. laptop? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Do you have any uh tablets or. anything? >> No. >> Is it just one phone and. >> a laptop? >> A laptop. And how old? Like is this. phone new or older or. >> It's old. All right. >> Did you know this was coming? >> No. >> State road. >> So, this is the deal. >> When we were doing the investigation and. the FBI got involved, we come up with.

some stuff that comes back to you. >> What do you mean? >> The message is coming originating from. you. >> No. >> Okay. Well, that's what we're going to. decide because um I'll just put you. point blank on it. All right. I don't. know what's going on. And obviously, you. guys moved around a little bit. There's. some things obviously going on. Are you. and is it Dave, your husband? >> Sean. >> Sean. Sorry. Dave was. >> Yeah. >> You and Sean still together? >> Yes. >> All right. So, obviously there's some. issues cuz you bounced around houses a. little bit. Some things going on here. So, >> um, and you got to be honest with me.

here. All right. You got to be 100%. because if I find one thing on any of. these phones, I can't help you. All. right. >> Right. So. during a period of time when they were. doing that, every message that went to. the kids, your number come back through. Pingry or whatever it is, the app that. tried to hide it. Your your number was. even though it was being hid showed up. every single message. >> My number? >> Yep. Now I I you got to be honest with me. here. All right. So, there's lots of odd.

things that are going on and and and I. need to find out the reason why and we. need to get it under control, right? >> So, whether that is something that you. need some help with or whatever it is, but you got to be honest with me here. like that. It's up, the gig's up. If I. find one thing on that phone and you. don't want to talk to me, I can't help. you. I can't show remorse. I can't tell. the prosecutor. Like, nothing. So, just. tell me what's going on and why.

I have my idea, but I want you to tell. me, and I'll tell you if I was right or. wrong. You're not going to jail. I'm not taking. you to jail.

I mean, something serious cuz it went on. for a while, right? >> Yeah. And it didn't start that way. >> And I'm sure it didn't. It's okay. Take a deep breath. I can get. you a glass of water if you want. No, I'm good. >> I mean, it's the gig's up. It's over, right? >> I'm good. Um.

it I don't even know. >> That's okay. Just start from the. beginning. So they were dating and then. they started they broke up. So how did. how did it really start? Like why did it. start at Did it start during when they. were still dating? >> It did. >> Was he treating you bad? >> But it like it didn't the first ones. didn't start like with me. >> Okay. >> I will say that those ones were. like random or whatever. >> So, somebody else started those. You.

don't know. >> Um but then I like fed off of it some. >> I get it. Was it because they broke out? >> No. Um, she's struggled with a group of kids at. school for a long time and he was having. a really hard time because they were. like targeting her in a sense and like.

they were trying to like come between. them and do all this stuff. And she was. having.

because the first ones were about like. that Halloween party and stuff. I'm not. saying it was Wilson, but I don't know. that. >> Right. >> Excuse me. So. your status. right now 497.

should be 46. >> 370 central. I apologize. I turned it. down too far. We're secure. No need for. status. Um, so it happened around the the. Halloween party. Some other kids, don't. know who they were, started it. Um, and. they were still dating at that time, right? So, wasn't long after that that. they that they uh broke up, right? >> It was. Yeah. Okay. So,

others that are going to want to know. because their daughter like the Wilsons. has been accused of all this throughout. and it's it's a bad deal. I get it. Um. I'm not going to leave here until I know. you're safe, that she's safe. Um that. you know we can contact your husband or. whatever you want to do. Um, >> well, no. I mean, we're. >> He's just talking to her. No, >> we're like I I know I'm safe and. everything. Like, I'm not worried about. that, but. >> but I want to make sure she's safe when. she finds out because those messages go.

concerned about. >> Does this have to go public everyone? like she because she's concerned with. her going to school. >> So it's already. >> right it's already public. All this. information is going to be public. because not anybody can foyer this, right? and and and I have to submit this to the. prosecutor.

That was for her. It was pretty bad, right?

>> Maybe you didn't mean to hurt her and it. just got carried away. I get that, but. it's still going to impact her, right? >> Um. >> I mean, what does it look like going. from here? Because the thing is is once. this is out there, like I don't know how. she can go to school. >> I know. I know. I know. >> That's why. >> that's why I was trying to get this. done. Um you th you threw us for a. little loop cuz you'd moved and stuff. and we've been looking for you and just. kind of finally found you. >> So um. >> sorry. >> It's all right. You told the school one.

thing that wasn't true. So I mean there. was just some some indicators there too. But. >> with what? >> You were at 808 North. >> We were until last week. >> Oh, okay. All right. Okay. That makes. sense then. So um but I wanted to get. this in case there has to be a change. I. know she doesn't want to. And maybe she. will be okay with it because this wasn't. her, right? So and that's the way. >> people are going to. >> people are people and I.

can hold on to that long. You have an IT. background, you know, I know you got let. go from Ferris and I just there's all. kinds of stuff there. So, um,

but so, so let's just back up a bit. So, you kind of took it over. Was there a. driving factor that you continued to do. it all this time? like. >> there's not anything that. >> I think just personal stress and. >> that I understand because I mean it's. like the last couple years have.

This is the phone you've been using, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuz it has the, you know, we also. know the the make model and everything. out from the the catch there. Um,

>> all right. So, this is how I think we. need to end end here today, right? When when does your husband get home or. out of work? >> Not until like 3:30, too. >> Because I'm not comfortable leaving you. and Lauren alone right now. I just This. is a lot to take in. And I appreciate. you being honest and coming forward with. all the information, right? >> But. thank you.

>> Um, but we have to make sure that everybody. in this nucleus is safe, right? And then. from here what I'll do is I'll write the. report. What's the password for the white. iPhone? >> Um 0713. >> 0713. >> What's the password for the Samsung? >> Can I see it? I think it's 5573. >> I let me sorry. I got the.

>> 55. >> 5573. >> 5573. >> Yeah. You have to hit Okay. Okay. >> Yeah. Just look. >> I'm not. Okay. And then you put these in.

getting out there. >> I know. And there's no. >> there way we can there's no I mean I. have to let Jill and those guys know, you know, I don't know if they'll. broadcast to anybody. I can also tell. you that the Wilsons have been very.

adamant that they want to know the. outcome because their daughter's been. accused throughout this entire thing. And I don't know. I'm sure they probably. will be. >> They will I know they will blast it. >> Yeah. So this is. >> I mean I guess is there any way to like. >> I don't know like what happens from. here. >> So so what happens from here is that. I'll go back I'll do a report. We'll. download the stuff um that'll get sent. to the prosecutor. I will let the the. victims in this case know and then the.

prosecutor's office may reach out to you. if you don't have any criminal history. I'm not the prosecutor above my pay. grade, but that goes a long ways. It. goes a long ways that you just told me. the whole story, right? It just that. that and and I I will write that that. way as well. >> So, and I and and we can get to it. Hopefully, cuz I can't wait for her. >> No. And I would recommend highly, Kendra, >> get some counseling started. Reach out, you know, if you have financial issues,

reach out to CH. I can give you a couple. contacts there. I would start that. process right now to show that you're. trying to work on some issues here, right? Some problems.

[Applause]. How are you doing today? >> Good. >> Good. And mom come back out. We're going to. chat for a few minutes. Okay. I don't fit in the chair. All right,

you're good.

it. So, we found some evidence and have. a search war. We're going to take her. phone and stuff, right? So, mom just got. wrapped up into this mess and continued. on blasting these text messages and. stuff out. Um, I know that's probably. confusing as heck. and why. But. sometimes when we're not. thinking straight, we do some things. that aren't right. So, from what happens now, we're going. to take a couple things with us and.

download them. Um, I have to write a. report, you know, your mom doesn't want this to. get out, but it's it is some public. information, so it's it's not going to. not get out. I just want to be honest. about it. All right. Um, she said, "You. had no idea what was going on." And I. believe that, but my what has to happen. now is I have to make sure you and your. mom are safe before I leave. All right. Mom's not going to jail. I do have to. write a report and get the prosecutor, but we have to make sure you're safe.

So, I'd like you to call your dad um and. have him help. Where does he work at? >> J&J Auto right? >> So, maybe he can come home and meet with. us. Okay. 22. [Applause]. >> across. >> Just say the police are here. Nobody's. hurt. Police are here. Can you come. home? sniper.

Hey, do you have a minute to chat where. you're available in in someplace quiet?

>> Yeah. >> All right. So, you don't have a car. I. was going to have you come home. Um, so. during our investigation, uh, we. discovered some evidence that led us. back to Kendra. Uh, Kendra has explained. to me that she got wrapped up into this. She didn't really start it. Some other. people did. She didn't know who, but all. these text messages, stuff, and she just. continued with it. Um, Kendra is not. going to jail today. I'm just going to. write a report and let the prosecutor. look at it.

Okay. Right now. >> I I have. >> I'm kind of like in shock right now. So. >> yeah, I know.

>> Go ahead. Go ahead, sir. >> So do you need me to come there? I just. I would just rather have whether you or. somebody I just want somebody here with. them because this is gonna I mean when. we walk out of here this is gonna be. like a baseball bat to the head for. everybody and I don't want anyone. getting hurt or hurting themselves Sir.

>> Yeah, absolutely. take a minute. >> Thanks. >> I can tell you that um Jill has been.

calling me. >> Um. call my name. >> No, I'm sorry. Go ahead, sir. >> Oh, I thought you were talking to me. that I was thinking at the same time. >> Nope. Sorry. I was talking to Kendra. She'd asked me a question. >> Okay. You want to call your parents and see. how far they away they are? >> I can go pick him up. >> I can, but I'm sure I can leave work and. come there. >> You have a way to get here? That was the. >> Yeah, I can take a I can take a shop.

vehicle. >> Yeah, that that would make me feel the. best. I just I just I really have some. reservations about walking out of the. house, >> right? Yeah. Is there any way I can talk. to you privately if I get there? >> Yep. You want to do on the phone or you. want me to wait for you to get home? >> I'd rather do it in person if that's. okay. >> Nope. I'll be here waiting for you. >> All right. I'll be there. Give me just a. few minutes. >> Thank you, sir. >> Yeah. Thanks, Mike. >> Multiple miles this iPhone. >> S9. >> S9. >> Yeah, I think. >> You think? All right. So, that's all.

right. I'll leave it off. >> Well, I'm actually I'm 99% sure. >> Actually, we'll just do this. >> Oh, the iPhone. So, I can tell you that. a while ago, I started having some. conversations with Jill because things. weren't lining up and adding up and I. was seeing some things. And so, she. started saying, "Well, there was some. strange things here and there." And and. so, she's been pretty adamant that, you. know, in fact, as of this morning, asking me again where we're at with it. Um, we were all set last week to come.

knock on the door, but again, we didn't. know where we were living that we hit. the wrong door, didn't, you know, knock. on it. Um, so. there's there's no I mean we just got to. rip the band out. There's no good way, right? There's no good way.

counseling, you know, financially is an. issue and you need to have a something. that's community mental health. I again, I can put you in touch with the right. people there, right? So I I highly. recommend that you guys reach out to. some level of counseling to you know cuz.

this is going to be a tough family. dynamic thing to to move through. Right. >> Right. If there is good news, it's All.

right. water. >> No. Okay. >> Um, you know what? So, I mean, I'm sure you're going to be. reaching out to Jill or whatever, and it. sounds like there's already been some. conversation there. Um, >> and she had reached out to the FBI. Well, he's a Bay City officer, but he's.

applying to the FBI, and she kind he. kind of given her some of the things, too. So, >> um. I just like I know you're going to write. it up for the prosecutor. Like how long. does that like when will I hear anything. more? Do you know like. >> so the prosecution? >> So what what. >> it won't you know I'll have it written. up and and finalized this week. Um the. prosecutor's office may look at it right. away and the prosecutor's aware of it. I've actually sat down and talked to. him. So they may act on it right away.

They may not. Um, I would give it about. a week if you haven't heard anything to. call up there, right? So, I will have it. done this week. They'll probably review. it sometime at the end of the week or. the beginning of next week, you know, potentially. And then uh um and. typically they'll reach out to you. They. won't just issue a warrant and we'll. just slam in kick your door in and take. you to jail, right? They'll contact you. and and have some some some settlement. conferences or some whatever the next. steps are that they decide is. appropriate. Again, that's why I say if.

you know, counseling is a huge thing to. this because you can say like, I'm. trying to get help, that'll build into. probably what they want to do, too. Especially when they have no history, criminal history, right? >> We can work through it. >> Now, there might still be I I would. anticipate just because of the length of. time and the amount and all people. involved, they'll there'll probably be some level. of charge. I don't know what it's going. to be, right? I mean, that just that. just can't go undone. Um, but that's all. prosecutor above my pay grade. They they.

decide all of that, right? So, I just. give them the data that I've collected. Uh, and there's a lot of it. I mean, there's a thick pile of search warrants. and all kinds of stuff. So, um, yeah, >> I'm going to throw that stuff in the. car. Move your car. >> Yeah. This car, this driveway is stupid. >> Yeah. >> Sorry. >> It's okay. So, the search warrant's. here. This is the tabulation. We say see. attached. These are the items that we. took. The stuff stays with you.

>> Now, in regards to those items, how like when did I. >> So, those are those are evidence. Um. they uh. >> just because like my phone number is. down on like that phone number is down. on like everything. >> everything. Um you can you know you can. get another phone and and reassign it. That's what I usually tell people. Just, you know, get your number on a different. phone because it probably will be a. while. It'll take a while to get. downloaded. Um, so we're really backed.

up right now and then it's evidence. until this whole thing is done, right? And then potentially could be released. or could be ordered to be destroyed. I. don't think they would destroy it. I. think they would give it back to you. Typically, that's what happens. But it's. Yeah. But you can if you have another. device or you can get another device, you can switch it over, have Verizon. switch it over. Um, and then you can use. that new phone and still have your. number and I get all your stuff's in.

there. But that's you know whether your. contacts come over or whatever. >> I don't really care about that. I just. like that's down as all the emergency. contact her for things and stuff. I. mean, >> yeah, you got an old phone or you can go. get a phone somewhere or something. >> Yeah. Um, but like you guys aren't going public. with this besides telling like. >> I'm not putting this in the newspaper.

I'm not putting on our Facebook page. No. >> So, >> no. I'm just I'm going to call a couple. of people that. >> pretty I mean. >> Yeah. And and you're right, Jill and and. Dave probably won't. >> speak much of it. >> I can't say the other. >> I know. I mean, I just knowing Jill and. Dave, I know they. >> Yeah. kind of. [Applause].

You have no idea who started it. I. don't. >> Okay. All right.

[Applause]. Is there anything else uh Kendra on. there that I'm going to find that's. going to surprise me? Just that kind of. stuff. And. I think it was you maybe mentioned to me. at one point that there's an app that. you can it translates it to like an. urban language or. >> and I've never I don't. >> Yeah. That was one of the teachers at. field that said that. >> Okay. >> That told us about that. I I forget what. it's called. It's like. >> it's kind of like Google, but it's.

something else. >> But you weren't using that. Okay. >> That's just coming off the driveway. >> So, I thought I saw something flicker. >> You want? >> Yeah. I'll get you while you in there. >> So, this is the deal. What the? >> Yeah. So, about halfway through this, I. started getting a little suspicious. about some things. Um, seeing some. strange things and I'd heard, you know, Kendra would had been backed in by the.

school kind of using their Wi-Fi and. just weird things that didn't really. fit. So, when we got the FBI involved, their analytic unit, um, yeah, they sent. a link and she actually clicked on the. link at some point and downloaded what. type of phone it was. Really what was. damning was um they took like a 24 or 48. hour period and off it was ping ping. pingry or something like that. It's like. a something that hides the phone number. but it really doesn't hide it. So they. were able to dig down through there and. get to it. So every time the kids. received a message, her number came.

back. >> So that was enough for a search warrant. and that's why we're here today. So we. took her phone and her computer. Uh as. my detective was collecting that, I. started talking to her. I said, "It's. it's over with. It's done. Tell me." And. she just she said it started with some. other kids. You don't know who started. it back with the Halloween party. originally and then she just took off. with it and it just created a whole life. of its own. >> Yeah. Asking what what phone did you. take? >> She had in her pocket. I can show you. >> So actually got a couple of them.

>> Okay. Well, I have a search for all of. them. So I'd like to get all of them. Um. because it can't this can't I said. listen kind of this would be like you. you this was a dynamic issue with your. family. I know you guys are struggling. with lots of things, but you got to. reach out to counseling like like CH or. whoever else and show that you know. you're trying to get some help because. this is your daughter that you've been. saying these things about for a year and. a half. So, there's some serious things. going on here. She I don't I'm above my. pay grade whether she needs medication. or counseling or whatever. But that's.

just not normal for that to go on like. that. Say that to go that long. >> For that long 17 I mean. >> almost 2 years, >> right? Yeah. So, she's I only know bits. and pieces of it. >> Yeah. To. >> be honest with you. >> Well, I knew when she quit communicating. with me that I was on the right track. cuz she fell off. I would send something. like ask her something. I get nothing. >> So, I caught up with another phone and. she said she' just do nothing when I. found it. And I don't know where it went. from there. >> All right. Well, we'll go back in. because I told her I said, "Listen, this. this can never happen again." Like I.

said, I'll write it up that you you were. honest. You told me the truth and that's. how I'll present it to the prosecutor. being a bad husband. Should she bring a. kid? I mean, >> well, so this is the deal. >> I don't want to be a bad dad. I mean, >> the charge is felony stalking. That's. what the charge is. She doesn't have a. criminal history. The prosecutor makes. those decisions. Do I think she'll get a. charge out of it? I think so. Does she. spend jail time? I would say probably. not a lot, if any. >> I mean, prove her point. >> I know.

>> I know. >> Not just stay here. you know, I mean, >> but there's obviously a level of mental. health disconnect there that she needs. some help with. But there if the money's. not there to get a counselor to hire. somebody or through your insurance. company if you have insurance whatever.

And then we were sent to Lincoln and so. I knew there was a lot of things going. on. >> Yeah. >> Um. >> Yep. I know she was let go from Ferris, you know, and she had IT background. So. there's just all these things started to. compile together. Wait, you just said. she got let go. Tell me she quit. >> Uh, I was told by somebody I know over. there that she was let go. She was no. longer employed. So, I think there's.

more to that story, too. Now, I didn't. do a subpoena over there, and I. certainly can, but I don't think I need. to. I just think there's a lot going on. in Kendra's world that.

about it. Um, but we do want to go in. and ask her about this other phone. So, I appreciate that. Like, and those. devices need to be away from her. And I. was clear. >> Um, I can show you which one it is. I. don't know what it. will be. >> I apologize. I. >> heard I knew this was going to be I knew. this was going to be a long. >> pardon. Yeah.

>> Well, I think you took them out there. I'm sorry. >> Sorry. >> Hey, Kendra. So, I want to be real clear. here. Like, do you have any other. devices? Because apparently there's. another phone somewhere. So, where's. that at? >> You got to tell me, right? You've. already confessed to it. You've got to. tell me where it's at. I don't want to. rip this house apart, but I will. >> Okay. And that search warrant right. there. >> gives us the authority to flip it upside. down and have no will to destroy this.

house, but I will. >> It's outside. >> Outside where? >> Where? >> Outside house where you try to walk away. from us. >> I'll go grab the other copy. Just. unlock. >> Can you uh And I'm telling you, Kendra, so and I get it. I'm not mad at you for. not telling you the whole truth. I very. seldom get the whole truth from people, but you have to be 100% across the board. that there's no other devices items. There's nothing else, nothing I'm going. to find on these devices that's going to.

shock me that I don't already know. >> There's that. >> I'm going to say something while he's. here. Okay. What phone is that one? >> That's that one. >> I'm going to be honest. >> No, that's that one that was on the. couch. >> The one of the third So the third phone. >> So he's got your main phone. Is this your Is this your work here? >> So, he's got all three. >> No, we have two. We have this laptop. >> Two, but that'll be all three. >> Oh, three devices. >> Yeah. And then the laptop. >> So, is there two phones or three phones?

>> Three total. My original phone with my. actual phone. That iPhone you already. have. And then there's another iPhone. >> We only have two phones, including the. one he's getting right there, right? >> No, that'll be three. >> And I could be wrong. Uh detective was. collecting that stuff. So, Samsung. Galaxy white iPhone. Okay. All right. and then the laptop book I'll say. All. right. And there's nothing else. Okay. Yeah. I mean, and those are the. kind of things that. jump off, right? I mean, I can't help. you. I can't I mean, if you lie about.

stuff, that's how it gets written in the. report. So, and I thought it was strange. that you took right off walking away. from us. >> So, while these guys are here, I don't. >> It's on the on some of the wood right. there. You want me to come out for it? >> So, what happened with Ferris? >> Tell me the truth. >> It's time to get it off your shoulders. >> If I blow a gasket when we leave, I'll. probably go to jail. So, tell me now.

>> I got let go from it. >> What about the Texas job? You still have. that or you got terminated from that? >> I don't have that. >> You don't have that either? >> No. >> So, when did you get let go from that? >> A while ago. Are you [ __ ] telling me the truth or. you lying? No. >> When did you get go from there? >> The same time. >> So, you've been lying to me for like 6. months, a year, and you haven't been. working for Texas, >> right? [Applause].

>> Wow. This is why we need to get counseling. because there's a lot going on here, right? So, do not do not just brush that. off. Okay. >> Okay. You need to go somewhere tonight. I don't know where you got to go, but. she's got to go. >> Okay, Mike. >> I I I can't make one leave or not. So, that's because you're both living here,

but I obviously don't want a domestic. But we want people to be safe. >> You need to call your parents and come. >> because. >> this is it. >> I can't do this anymore. The other. house. This house. Now I know what the. truth is. >> And having her here in the middle. This. is not good. >> Okay. You need to call your parents. Where's my phone? >> You need to go. You need to call your parents. Nope. Well, he's here. No. You need to go.

>> You got to go. Just for a second, please. >> No, I'm I can't do this, Kendra. I'm. sorry, >> Kendra. Sometimes just a few hours apart. to let things soak in. >> But that's what I'm saying. Will you do. not call them because. >> Nope. >> No, I don't want to go there, Sean. >> Well, where are you going to go? >> Where you going to go? >> Well, my parents are 2 hours away. >> That's fine. They're retired. >> But if you're going to go somewhere, where are you going to go? because. somebody's got to watch you because if. you do something stupid then we're gonna. have. >> you can't and don't and doing something.

to yourself. >> will devastate right. >> I can't leave her. >> well done. >> and if we need to go to the hospital and. talk to somebody right now I'll make. that happen too. >> I I can't leave her. >> I can't. >> Would you like to go to CM talk to. somebody right now. >> because on this one.

[Applause]. >> this one's dead. So, what's the password. on? >> Okay, C. >> Zero. Is it 0816? Maybe. I think it'll turn on. You just have to. hold both.

[Applause]. What kind of. uh 11. white.

Did you wipe this for as we pulled in? >> No. >> You sure you didn't have to reset this? >> No. >> Did this have service? >> No. Did you try that pass? Make sure you try. that pass. There. >> is no pass code. >> Okay, there you go. >> So, there's no pass code on this one. >> No, that.

white or rose or. >> I think it's like the gold. >> almost like a rose. So, this is an 11. >> Okay. They're getting their stuff around. and they're heading they're going to. head north. >> All right. >> They're in Waterford. So, >> I don't want to go with them.

>> Well, your dad's on your dad. Mom's on. their way. So, I told I talk to them. face to face and I'm. >> Kendra. You guys need some time to. process and be a part, but you have to. be with somebody that you're safe with. cuz. >> it's not fair. I I am not I don't. >> and I hope not. But I but I've seen. people with less going on have those. thoughts, right? So um I can't live. myself and I certainly can't live with. these two if you did hurt yourself,

right? Like I just I can't do that. >> I can't save her. >> And I would hope not, but you would be. surprised what the trauma that people go. through. >> today. Like I need to stay with her. >> You we got to get some time. I think that's probably if. >> I do something stupid or you do. something stupid, we'll both select and. then she's going to go away. Okay, we. got to work through this. We just got to. be separated for a little while. >> I tell people when you're on the ground, the only place to look is up, right? And.

that's where we're at. We're on the. ground. >> We look up and we step up. We dust off. and we start like I'm not saying this is. the end of your world because it's not. So, let's get started, you know, looking. up and moving forward again. But there's. a lot to swallow here. So, Sean, I'll explain to you. So, search. warrants here. This is the tabulation. We just say see attached. You'll get a. copy of that. So, the things we took, this all stays with you guys.

>> This is my copy. >> Yep. These are the copies for you guys. Yep. >> All right. Perfect. So you took those three phones and that. laptop laptop. Okay. >> Nothing else. No. >> Nothing. Nothing on. You've not used her. phone to do anything? >> No. No. >> Honestly. >> Honestly. I see. >> Cuz I've already asked this once and. obviously I was lied to. So, >> no. I probably. just. >> nothing else we can do for you. >> I know Kendra.

>> A big drink. >> I know. Kendra, I'm not mad at.

you know, um, call 911 or 7731,000 and. non-emergency for dispatch and that gets. the postcard. >> They have a crisis intervention team. that if you want to talk to somebody, even if it's after hours, we'll make. that happen, too, that you can talk. right to CH's crisis intervention team. And I just want that part to be healthy, right? that we have to have that to move. forward on everything. So, all right. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. Thanks, Mike.

[Applause].