Mom Confess To Watching Daughter Get Dismembered & Got Turned On By It, Now Claims False Confession

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your entire skull just look as high as. you can now once your eyes are in that. position close your eyes did your. eyelids as they're coming down did you. feel any sort of fluttering in your. eyelids or did they come down as smooth. as garage doors or is there some sort of. resistance like a. twitch no it just came down okay. interesting mine mine fluttered quite a. bit and they say that it means if your. eyelids flutter when doing this you.

might be more available to suggestion. more open to hypnosis this is not a. given there's not many scientific. studies done on this so take it with a. grain of salt but it is fascinating and. just like there are things that make. someone more easily more likely to be. hypnotized that a lot of hypnotists when. they do those onstage performances they. will look for certain cues in the. audience they will actively pick out. someone that they believe is more open. to suggestion cuz when you're being. hypnotized they try to tell you that you.

feel certain ways that you feel like. you're floating that you feel like your. two fingers are magnetized and they're. pulling towards each other and you can't. let them separate they convince you of. these things and just like that there. are personality traits that make it. easier for someone to give a false. confession some people say those two. things are almost similar they work in. different ways for different purposes. obviously but hypnotism being open to. suggestion and false confessions leading. someone to believe that something has.

happened that has not happened are kind. of in the same vein confess to something. that you've never done a false. confession usually these people have. poor memory high levels of anxiety low. self-esteem low assertiveness conflict. avoidance and the eagerness to please. people people with these traits combined. they are more easily influenced by. authority figures they're more. vulnerable to interrogation pressure now. you add in the situational factors. they've been left in this interrogation. room for too many 2 hours sleep.

deprivation fatigue drug alcohol. withdrawal extreme stress they could. easily give a false confession they. could be nudged pushed LED it's a very. real thing that will mess up so many. trials because someone is. victimized obviously they need to get. justice but if someone claims that they. falsely confessed or they actually did. falsely confess that makes it trickier. to get Justice and that is exactly what. Michelle Martins is saying happened to. her she's like that was a false.

confession she claims that she did not. mean a single thing that she said she. takes it off B yeah she said that her. boyfriend Fabian was essaying her. 10-year-old daughter Victoria so. Michelle's 10-year-old daughter is. Victoria and Michelle's boyfriend is. Fabian she's saying this adult man was. essaying my 10-year-old daughter she say. she let it happen because she did derive. a sick and twisted pleasure of viewing. the heinous AXS she got off on a. observing okay but that specific night.

things were a little bit different. Michelle says her boyfriend Fabian was. on top of Victoria essaying her and. fabian's female cousin was also present. in the room and she was joining in on. the assault and how old is the boyfriend. and the cousin oh they're both like in. their 30s so not only are we talking. child Predators child assault but incest. the cousin's name is Jessica and instead. of being disgusted by what's going on.

Michelle is just watching she's watching. all of this happen to her little. 10-year-old daughter and she's asked. okay but how did they kill her after. that assault Michelle how did they kill. your daughter that night you were there. you watched it Michelle is sitting there. in front of these two people and she's. got tears just streaming down her cheeks. you saw it how did they kill your. daughter a little SOB escapes her mouth. by essaying. her explain that to me cuz I don't.

understand he essayed her so hard that. she died again these are direct quotes. he covered her mouth with tape this is. your baby girl 10-year-old Victoria who. is being held down on the bed so that an. adult man can award her you are the only. one that is going to be able to tell us. how she died because you were there you. were there watching it how did she die. she sits in silence thinking crying. trying to catch her breath who's hand. were on her neck the fabian's hands.

because he was on top of her and whose. hand was on her mouth. Jessica after he was done did they do. anything to ensure that she was. dead what did they do to make sure that. she was dead. Michelle no that's not good. enough what did they do when they were. done your daughter and holding her by. her. neck we way past playing any game your. girl M did they do anything they St did.

she just stab her or did she slice her. they didn't okay so straight up and down. into her body and this was in her she. went up she grabs a tissue almost like. this realization Dawn on her and she. starts crying harder but the questions. don't stop and then 20 minutes later you. had with. Fabian she admits that she not only. watched her daughter get held down and. essayed but 20 minutes later her she had.

intimate relations with the man that. essayed her daughter furthermore she. does this thing she says she seeks out. men on Plenty of fish.com on these. dating websites that'll come to her. house to essay her kids so that she can. watch and then immediately after she'll. have intimate relations with these. men did you allow these people to have. with your children because you like to. watch be. honest H yeah you like.

watching okay that is wild she's asked. how are these conversations starting. online how does it start and end with. somebody having intimate relations with. your child in your apartment which by. the way they use the term intimate. relations and just so you know anytime. someone is being questioned these types. of word usage is very deliberate mhm you. say intimate relations versus our word. because it might alienate the person. into retrieving and realizing how bad it.

sounds so they won't say anything more. mhm it sounds too harsh of a word even. though that is the exact crime she says. she knows the signs that men are. interested in her kids rather than her. she says they asked me if I have any. kids I said I have two. okay and then when they meet me they. want to meet them too how did you get. into. that was it something you just wanted to. try just to. see curious gu within a few hours. sitting in an interrogation room almost.

like she's being hypnotized Michelle. Martins tells the authorities that she. gets off on inviting men over after. meeting them on websites to watch them. essay her 8-year-old son and her. 10-year-old daughter Victoria she says. she only recently stopped because her. new boyfriend Fabian moved in and he was. doing all the assaulting himself he even. let his female cousin Jessica move in so. she could partake in all of this all the. while Michelle is watching that's what. she gets off on but last night things. don't go as. as the assault is taking place Fabian.

kills Victoria Jessica holds her down. and Fabian starts dismembering Victoria. severing off her limbs then they wrap. her in a blanket throw her in the. bathtub and light her on fire that is. exactly how the police find Victoria in. the bathtub in Flames they find her then. they question Michelle it matches up. Victoria was found missing her arms and. her internal organs her heart and liver. were gone Michelle was you know doing it. with Fabian after the murder after the.

sing of her limbs yes it seems to be it. is probably one of the craziest. interrogations I've ever seen but then. they find evidence that some of the. interrogation clips of what Michelle is. saying are not. true so how could Michelle see all of. this happening to her daughter when. she's not even home at the time that. this happens her cell data shows that. she's been out of the house at the time. that this takes place which means if. that's not true why did did she say that.

it was and how much of her statement is. a lie was she coerced into saying. everything or is it a half truth half. lie because Michelle changes her story. multiple times but that still doesn't. change the fact that Victoria was found. murdered and dismembered and lit on fire. and there was evidence that she had an. STD so what is the truth here and who. did this to her. [Music].

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people that they need to talk to two. women and one man the woman named. Michelle she's got this nasty cut. between her eyes like blood was dripping. down in the middle of her face straight. down the top of her nose it is her. daughter Victoria that's been killed. then you have the man Fabian he's got a. black eye he's got a deep gash on his. eyebrow he's Michelle's living boyfriend. and then we have another woman named. Jessica she's fabian's cousin who. recently moved into Michelle's house. Jessica has a fracture ankle so these.

people they're all injured what all of. them are injured in some way shape or. form and they don't want to talk about. why Victoria was found killed and. dismembered in the apartment that they. all share what the hell happened to. Victoria Jessica goes first she was the. one that was left babysitting for most. of the day but before they can even ask. questions Jessica's pissed off I want to. know why I'm being treated like this. again again you're being arrested all. right for murder why am I being arrested. for murder there's three other people in.

that house you're you're getting me for. murder you're like violating my whole. [ __ ] rights dude go find a [ __ ]. killer dude go find a mothering killer. they tell her that they're going to take. her DNA cuz they have a warrant so this. is not up for negotiation and she says. well the thing is I live at the house. you know what I mean my DNA is going to. be all over the house earlier that day. officers had been called to unit 808 the. situation was pretty chaotic they had. two people out outside that claimed to.

have been attacked Michelle and Fabian. both of them had bloody faces they tell. officers Michelle's daughter 10-year-old. Victor is inside the unit still they run. up to unit 808 a woman with blonde hair. opens the door Sees the cop uniforms. slams the door shut they're like what. the hell was that they try slamming the. door open it won't open they're like. maybe we should kick it down and as. they're contemplating all of this they. hear a scream from the other side of the. apartment the other officers are. screaming. and more or less they're shouting that.

the crazy lady that just slammed the. door in the other officer's face she. jumped off the balcony this is like. three stories high it's not the eighth. floor but it's still pretty. high is she okay is she all right I mean. fate Works in very mysterious ways and. the officer is almost to their. diabolical. Amusement she's not all right she. completely shattered her entire ankle. and now she can no longer run oh that's. so it works yeah it works to their. benefit the officer place the woman in.

handcuffs they force her to walk herself. to the police car she's. screaming they're like don't be dramatic. you jumped off the balcony cuz you're. trying to escape and second of all we. don't care this is on the body cam they. force her to. walk. walk I don't care if your leg's broken. you're going to walk I can't walk dude. hold on you're going to walk leg broken. I just got thrown off balcony you didn't. get thrown off you jumped off I saw you. close the door you told me you jumped. come on.

dude my whole leg is broke though keep. walking I'm trying it's pretty easy to. see from her criminal record that she is. not unfamiliar with the police both her. and her cousin Fabian you know those. pictures where people are like I took a. picture every day and they make a video. and it's just them moving cuz you could. do that with their mug shots they have. so many mug shots they have been. arrested so many times probably more mug. shots than you have pictures on your. Instagram one of her most recent charges. while she was in prison her cellmate had.

decided I'm going to wake up and be the. most heinous person ever her cellmate. decides that she's going to essay. another inmate Jessica helps her by. locking the cell door behind them and. keeping a lookout while her cellmate has. her way and arwards another female. inmate so not the most spectacular. person that the police are dealing with. right now and she's only been released. from prison for about a week and here. she is right back in their presence she. explains to them you guys have the wrong. person you don't even know what you're.

talking about you're violating my rights. dude she explains yes okay she was. babysitting Victoria she couldn't really. say no because she was staying at. Michelle's house for $50 a month that's. how much she was paying in rent although. Michelle didn't know that Fabian was. taking the $50 a month and Michelle. thought that she was just living there. for free she's babysitting Victoria that. day Fabian and Michelle go out and yeah. she was a little bit out of it Jessica's. sitting there maybe doing some. recreational drugs and she sees this man.

walk into the apartment and she's only. been there for like a week she doesn't. know what kind of people are in and out. of this apartment so she's like huh. there's a man in here and he looks at. her and he tells her hey do you know. where and then insert fabian's street. name cuz I guess fabian's part of a gang. that's what they say and she's like no. he's not home right now he's like okay. walks into Victoria's room violently. essays her kills her. and then tells Jessica get rid of her.

body and if you tell anyone you're next. your cousin owes me money she said it. was A well-dressed Mexican man and then. the police show up she's terrified she. had nothing to do with the murder she. just had to dispose of Victoria's body. because what was she going to do they're. going to get her next I mean she was. terrified and now she's in the back of. the squad car with a broken ankle and. all and it's just it's terrifying she. says you guys need to go catch the real. killer. side note the apartment was in shambles.

and it's very interesting so she's. claiming that a man walks in essays and. kills Victoria mhm but when you go in. everything is just hectic there's blood. everywhere there's blood seeping into. the carpet there's evidence that someone. tried to clean up the blood inside the. bathroom they find Victoria her torso. her head they're all connected her arms. have been severed they were found in a. separate plastic bag her liver and her. heart were taken out also found in a.

separate plastic bag her left leg was. almost completely severed off she the. rest of her body that's in the bathtub. was wrapped in a blanket and lit on fire. every single smoke detector in the house. was also conveniently taken down so. Jessica's story it doesn't really add up. also what are all these wounds sure. Jessica's fractured ankle makes sense. she jumped off the balcony but why are. Michelle and Fabian wounded they go into. fabian's interrogation room he says I.

did nothing I didn't even know that. Victoria was lit on fire in the. apartment he claims all he knew was he. went to sleep woke up and Jessica his. cousin is freaking attacking him he said. this was a completely normal night they. came home they made tacos for dinner. well Michelle made tacos everybody else. ate the tacos minus Victoria they. thought she was sleeping that's what he. claims and then eventually Michelle and. Fab and the couple they go into the.

bedroom and they fall asleep around 1:40. a.m. they wake up to a pair of eyeballs. staring at them just staring into the. depths of their soul do you believe in. Jesus he's like Jessica what are you. doing why are you talking about Jesus at. 1:40 in the morning you don't even go to. church you just got out of prison. Jessica is standing I have your phones. by the way she's holding her hands. behind her back but it looks like she's. got more than just their phones I said. Do You Believe In Jesus Michelle wakes. up and she says yeah I do which I don't. know why you're responding Jessica.

smiles and says okay then you first and. slams a metal iron over her head then. goes to Fabian and starts slamming the. metal pipe if you will down on his head. and fabian's like I don't know I just. ran out of the apartment because my. cousin is trying to murder me did you. say anything about Victoria oh she said. uh and uh what did she say oh and she. goes your daughter's dead what she told. you she told Michelle that your. daughter's dead and I was like what wait.

this happened at 1:40 a.m. yeah and they. see Michelle and Fabian just wounded. everywhere oh because they got just got. attacked by yeah and then they're like. hey my daughter's still in the unit. Michelle is like my daughter's still in. the unit can you go get my daughter they. run up to the unit Jessica slams the. door she breaks her ankle they go in. they search the entire place for the. 10-year-old and she was found in the. bathtub did Michelle call the police. Fabian went to a neighbor who called the. police Michelle also escaped and went to.

a different neighbor to call the. police what okay Fabian denies knowing. anything that has been happening to. Victoria he said he came home and. Jessica was like Victoria went to sleep. cuz she had a rough day and I was. babysitting all day and he also says by. the way I would never do anything to. Victoria he says I love her and she. loves me now to be clear Victoria knew. Fabian for approximately 24 minutes I. mean maybe a few months that's being a. little dramatic and most of the time. that she knew him he was likely High out. of his mind on I think even saying that.

she liked him would be a tad bit too. generous but to say that she loved him I. mean it's kind of unclear what diluted. Planet Fabian lives on maybe the same. one as Stefan Sterns from the Matty sto. case but Fabian continues because how do. you know Victoria loved you after living. with her mother for I don't know two. business days he says she loved me you. know she would always uh you know what I. mean she would always be like hey Fabian. and we'd always.

smile but to make matters more alarming. he continues that's how I am with kids. you know Victoria's real active she's. real cool you know what I mean she's all. grown up you know for her age you. know no we don't know and that's very. alarming she's 10 how can she be all. grown up we don't know but he further. continues that he absolutely was not. involved he says again she loved me I. loved her I showed up at the apartment. after running errands with Michelle we. ate tacos I went to sleep and then I got.

attacked that's pretty much it. eventually the police crack down and. they say there there's no way that's. what happened because you at least. you're telling me someone right there. and this is not like the most soundproof. apartment building you're hearing things. you can hear your neighbor from the next. unit over somebody is severing the limbs. off of another person and you don't hear. anything you don't hear a Ruckus nothing. someone's going around getting a ladder.

standing up on chairs taking off the. smoke detectors you don't hear a beep a. single sound he says you know what I did. see some dismembering he says I seen. Jessica cut her up but Jessica was. threatening me now he's saying I don't. know how Victoria died I just saw my. cousin dismembering her he says she just. kept threatening me that I'm going to. get killed just like she's going to kill. Michelle so I seen Jessica do it okay I. was scared for retaliation okay she just. got out of prison I didn't want her to. come for me and threaten my family but I.

did not help her dismember the body I. did not I just saw her stabbing at her. cutting her like weird like crazy. Jessica was just going off and like. hitting the body like going crazy trying. to like go Jesus told me to do this like. same weird things like me and Michelle. were yelling Jessica no no stop and she. wasn't listening she was just doing it. but we didn't stop it because we were. scared the authorities say I mean it. needs to be explained because she. couldn't be doing all of that by herself.

she the strength that he says no no no. she was doing all that by herself her. strength he said that he came home and. he saw his cousin you know dismembering. daughter and and then they went to sleep. yes yeah right that makes so much sense. yeah exactly and he says no no no her. strength is real crazy okay but that. still doesn't make sense why would. Jessica even attack you that night then. none of this is making any sense. authorities go back to Jessica and they. say so why did you attack your cousin.

and. Michelle and she says well they were all. going to blame it on me I knew they were. plotting it see this man came in this. well-dressed man came in essayed and. killed Victoria and then left and then. was like I'm going to kill you if you do. anything I'm going to kill you so you. got to dispose of Victoria's body and. then you know Michelle and Fabian come. home I tell them what happened and they. say okay well we just have to dispose of. her body but I felt like they were going. to P it on me so I just had to get rid. of them too so I was going to try to. kill them what so she attacks them in.

the middle of the night and then the. police are called These are Jessica and. fabian's stories for Michelle the police. have a little bit more hope because this. is still her daughter at the end of the. day so if anybody has any incentive to. come clean just to get some sort of. justice and let Victoria rest in peace. it might be Michelle in front of. Michelle there's a female officer. wearing a plaid shirt sitting across. from her another male officer is sitting. a little bit off in the corner he looks. distant but he's fully engaged the. officer in front of Michelle she reaches.

her hand out and they're holding it. across the table her voice is kind of. nurturing Michelle what did you guys. decide to do with your daughter with. Victoria your baby girl this is your. 10-year-old daughter Victoria what did. you guys decide to do they put in the. bathtub cuz you were there and you. saw and you watched so what was the. discussion about what was going to be. done with Victoria. I know they were going to get rid of but.

I didn't know I forgot this discussion. you forgot the discussion I don't. remember okay what happened what. happened. next if I say anything thank you foring. me okay that if I say anything I'm going. to be the next one or I better not fall. asleep think before I left that was the. 10 I the stomach Michelle starts crying. she explains that she doesn't really. know what was going on all she knew is. that when she got home she thought.

Victoria had gone into her room to sleep. she ate dinner with her boyfriend Fabian. and fabian's cousin Jessica who she. barely knows who just was staying with. her and afterwards she was heading to. bed when she sees Jessica stabbing. Michelle's little daughter Victoria. Michelle is like I saw Jessica stabbing. my kid in the stomach then Jessica holds. down Victoria's arms and Fabian walks. over with a knife and starts cutting off. Victoria's Arms by this point Victoria. is already deceased. so what you're saying is Jessica was. holding her arms and Fabian was.

cutting okay who so Fabian had the knife. at that point. okay but you said that Jessica stabbed. her in the stomach okay why it's like. they were taking turns at her. okay. and when you saw this you didn't call. 911 because you were afraid that the. cops were going to know that there were.

drugs in the house that they were going. to kill me right there on the spot okay. and what did Jessica tell you about how. she. died she told me she didn't know but you. said earlier she killed her how did she. kill her Victoria took the map that was. on the table and then Jessica stepped. her in the. stomach in her back Michelle goes. through multiple variations of events. that night at first she says she has no. clue how Victoria her 10-year-old.

daughter ends up dead she states that. when she got home she saw Victoria alive. and well and thought she went to her. room to sleep then she changes the story. and says I actually never saw her alive. and well I thought she was just asleep. in her room then she states that. Victoria took that was left out on the. coffee table and then died of an. overdose and then they were all freaking. out so she changes it multiple times her. first few variations of the story. include Victoria dying and being. dismembered by Jessica and Fa in she. doesn't do anything because she's.

terrified to call the police they're. threatening her she can't do anything. she just goes to sleep until she wakes. up with Jessica in her face asking her. if she believes in God and then slamming. a tire iron between her eyes that's what. she says but what's unsettling is that. in these variations she says that after. she watches these two her boyfriend. Fabian and fabian's cousin Jessica. dismember little. Victoria the police ask her what did you. do right after you saw that. I went in the.

kitchen what' you do get ready to make. dinner making the tacos then fan took. over after he was finished the police. have to get this straight after you guys. cut the arms off of Victoria cut her leg. off and wrapped her in a blanket and put. her in the bathtub right then you went. and made dinner what did Fabian and. Jessica do I don't know they were acting. like nothing ever happened she said. Fabian and Jessica just start cleaning. up blood while she makes dinner okay so.

you go and make dinner and they are. cleaning what happens after that once I. did the dinner I go in my room and I. eat okay so you eat and I only ate like. one. taco well because you were poly sick to. your. stomach yeah so then I put the other one. in the. fridge the police are not happy with. Michelle's version of events there's. just too much missing like even you look. confused and the police are looking. confused like none of this even makes.

sense like what you're saying this train. of thought these trains of actions these. don't feel normal too many things are. missing what do you mean you're making. dinner for everyone I'm sorry you only. had one taco how did you go to sleep. after this how do you fall asleep to her. defense she says we had tacos with beef. and potatoes and sour. cream okay she was like now stating all. of this but they don't even just go to. sleep according to Michelle per this. specific interview she states that after. dinner after watching her daughter get. dismembered she and and Fabian have. intimate relations the authorities come.

in and out of this interrogation room. because they keep going back they keep. getting more Intel they go to Fabian. they come in and out of Michelle's. interrogation room and when they come. back the second time they're angry the. female officer sits down by the way I'm. saying female officer because there. happens to be one female officer and one. male officer in the room it's not. because I think I have to put a woman's. gender anyway I saw some people getting. upset about some of that discourse but. it just makes it easier to differentiate. one question and it's a very serious.

question okay who was your daughter who. was assaulting your. daughter she six who was assaulting your. daughter Michelle cuz you knew about. it that was my ex-boyfriend that was. your ex-boyfriend yes and that's why I. got rid of him okay was he assaulting. your son as well not that I know of cuz. my son is barely with me he's mostly. with his when did you find out that. Fabian and Jessica.

were active with your. daughter when did you find. out and be. honest not too long ago not too long ago. okay how much were they giving her so. that way they could assault. her quite a few they gave it to her. quite a few times okay how would they. give it to.

her did you just put it in her. mouth how did she die last. night while she was being. assaulted how did she die we know for a. fact that is no K. her how did she die. Michelle okay let's go back when when. did you find out that Fabian was was.

having with your daughter with Victoria. how long. ago just recently just recently what is. recently news days weeks days Days. couple days like a couple of days like 2. days 3 days 4 days 5 days two days okay. and what did you find out that Jessica. was also assaulting your daughter. were they doing this together yes okay.

did you walk in on. it it's okay but I need to know did you. walk in on him yeah okay they were both. on him they were both on your daughter. okay so 2 days ago you find out that. they're your daughter am I right. okay so how would they how would they do. it.

you were in the room while she was being. assaulted you were. there did you participate no did you. watch no you just. watched you were there when your. daughter was being assaulted you were. there where were. you you were in the. bedroom and. your bedroom or your daughter's bedroom.

I was my bedroom okay and where were. Fabian and. Jessica I thought they were having a. cigarette but they were what were they. doing no no no no you watch them give. them her and you knew what they were. going to do don't don't play let's not. start playing games now girl they. weren't having a cigarette you knew they. wereing your daughter where were they. your daughter what room in her room okay. how did you participate I don't think.

that you assaulted your. daughter did you help hold her. down when Jessica and Fabian were in the. room assaulting your. daughter what part did you take in that. act you let them do it which I should. were you were you having intercourse. with Fabian or Jessica while they had. with your daughter no did Fabian did you.

have with Fabian right after he had with. your. daughter she also confesses that during. the past year alone she's had multiple. men come over to force feed her. 9-year-old daughter fetamines zqu to. calm her down so that they could essay. her while she watches she facilitates. and watches all the assaults many times. these men would essay her children and. then immediately have. relations with her afterwards having.

mean to fulfill some sort of depraved. only existing in the deep dark pits of. Hell type of fantasy and she says Fabian. was one of those depraved humans that. moved in solely for Victoria and he and. his cousin Jessica were both essaying. Victoria that night they fed her keep. her more compliant because it quote. calms her down and then as Fabian was. assaulting Victoria Jessica was watching. on the side and holding Victoria down. Fabian covers Victoria's mouth and neck.

and manually strangles her until she. dies during the. assault afterwards they dismember. Victoria and threaten Michelle that is. what Michelle is saying but that still. doesn't explain why she's cooking dinner. why she's having intimate relations with. Fabian why she only eats one taco why. she goes to sleep what does she have to. say about that she just says I should. have stopped it that's her response but. so much of the story doesn't even make. sense the police K push pushing and. they're they're able to elicit all of.

these very specific details from. Michelle they ask her where did Fabian. reach the destination if you will. on top of. stomach was your daughter saying. anything stop stop what was Jessica. saying just shut up what was Fabian. saying he was really s he was just and. you just stood there and watched. you just let them do this to your.

daughter. yes I should have stopped it and then. how long after he on your daughter did. he have SE with. you like 15 20. minutes how long was Victoria. alive after she was or was she dead. after she was did they kill her. then I need to know yes yes to what they. kill. when when they her and how did they kill.

her you were there you watched. it were you clothed or were you naked I. was clothed was Jessica clothed or was. she naked she had a to. off like baby and you said he had his. shorts on with his exposed he had P he. had to pull down but he had no shirt on. was Victoria you she had her pants off.

who took Victoria's clothes. off took the pants off Jess took myir. off what did you do with her. underwear what did you do with Victor's. underwear put him in the laundry basket. you took him and you put him in the. laundry basket why what was on. them what else blood and why was there. blood on them because he penetrated.

because he penetrated. her the search of the house does show. that her underwear was found inside of a. laundry basket with blood on them and. she says that it's because Fabian fully. essayed her daughter and that's why they. had blood they keep questioning her how. long have you been salting your water I. never daugh okay how long have you been. inviting men into your house to assault. your daughter the only two that I know.

of is David and these them okay but. you've allowed it no I I kicked him out. but then I found out about them too and. then what what did David do to your. daughter he was like trying to kiss her. on the lips and stuff like that he was. trying to put his fingers down there and. your daughter no I took her I took her. and got. tested and it came out negative did you. report it to the police yes I did.

Michelle you have been bringing men to. your. apartment to use your daughter and. assault your daughter this is not the. first time that this has happened this. is not the first time that your daughter. has been. assault I'm just going to use the word. cuz that's what it is you were allowing. men to come over and have. with your daughter and in turn also.

having with you help me understand. that what' you get out of it is it a. turn on for you. no then how cuz I would never it do that. to my daughter but you did last night. and the only reason that we're sitting. here today Michelle is that it went a. little further than it ever has before. MH this time she. died you weren't ready for the type of. animals that these people were M and it. went further than you anticipated but.

let's start with this how many times. that what happened last night minus her. dying how many times have you watched or. or that you know that Fabian and Jessica. have had with your daughter since. they've been in your house how many. times like three. times I think it's probably more than. that that you. watched did I know about how many times. did you watch there was only that one. how many times did you. watch be honest.

Michelle we know you watched how many. times did you watch every time mostly. they go on to keep pressing her and she. mentions that they had it almost every. single night since Fabian moved in he. was essaying Victoria then every single. night that Jessica moved in both of them. were essaying Victoria prior to that her. ex-boyfriend David was essaying Victoria. wait so are you saying that her story is. just keep on changing cuz she say three. times right yes she say no David didn't.

do it or or whatever like is it like. just her story keeps on changing yes but. it's very interesting because a lot of. netizens are conflicted on how they feel. about this false confession some people. believe that it's a completely false. confession but most netizens believe. that the essay part might be. true mhm oh like all all these specific. yes like there's maybe some trueth. in some of these lies yeah yeah and then.

even with um but what is a lie right now. we don't know right we don't know we do. know that she was essayed at least once. prior to her death and likely the day of. her death mhm but we don't know how many. times by how many people for example the. autopsy for Victoria was rough. considering she's been so badly. dismembered after her passing both of. her arms had been cut off and severed. her her leg was partially severed her. her torso had been cut from the collar.

bone down towards her belly button her. heart parts of her liver were removed. and they were all placed in separate. plastic bags and some of them were. placed inside of a laundry basket in a. separate plastic container they find. Victoria's arms and her heart and for. her cause of death the autopsy reads. Miss Victoria Martin died as a result of. manual strangulation the manner of her. death is best classified as. homicide there's a few other things in. the autopsy that will bring up but it.

it's not definitive that she was essayed. but there are a few things like she had. blood in her private regions there was. slight tearing of her rectum there were. all these things that made it seem like. okay perhaps she was essayed maybe it. wasn't. a the way a lot of people describe it in. like the even if you go into the police. reports which we fo for this it's not. they say maybe it was perhaps not full. penetration but there was essay involved.

cuz there wasn't as much tearing to. indicate so it's just yeah yeah yeah. it's very difficult to say so with this. this confession immediately right off. the bat all three of them are thrown in. prison naturally they're thrown in jail. they're charged with Victoria's murder. which side note Michelle is so shocked. when she's charged with her own. daughter's murder it's kind of crazy. okay so first first thing is seems like. all three of them told a different story. yes of the night yes but regardless just.

based on three separate stories they are. all charged yes because also I mean. she's found in the bathtub it just. doesn't make sense that they don't know. what's going on yeah yeah yeah okay so. and when you say she's so shocked yeah. Michelle is looking at one of the. detectives like he just betrayed her so. Michelle at this point you're under. arrest for a homicide of a. child of a child SLE whole other charges. that I probably couldn't even list here. if I wanted.

to and if you need me to explain that to. you then there's no hope for it cuz I. don't everything we talked about the. fact that your shocked are going to jail. is beyond me somehow Fabian remains. confident that he will be getting out. Jessica on the other hand is getting. pissed off by all of this in one. recorded Jailhouse phone call Jessica. tells her friend I wish I knew what the. I was getting myself into dog she. claimed she was not that night she says. I wish I would have been [ __ ] up I was. was even like I was like no I'm not. doing no shots and then you know this.

happened the friend's like and then your. cousin bro what the was he thinking I. don't know dude I don't get high to go. [ __ ] dude I get high to tweak to which. Jessica is also on the phone with her. mom and her mom is clearly also unhinged. she tells Jessica on the phone maybe God. had you there to expose Fabian I think. that's what it. is fa on the other hand is talking on. the phone with a girlfriend of his I.

don't know how he has a girlfriend but. he has a girlfriend he's on the phone. with his girlfriend I thought fabian's. girlfriend is I mean after that. confession I think they broke up and he. made a new girlfriend oh okay whilst. Behind Bars he says I know I'm going. home I don't have to worry I'm not even. worried I just sometimes I just get. discouraged cuz I'm still here but I. know you know what I mean I always knew. that I'm was going to be able to go home. at didn't think I was going to take this. long Fabian and his mom also just like. Jessica and her mom they blame the other. cousins fabian's mom says about Jessica.

it's awful that you can't trust. everybody but you can't son you. can't he agrees you can't I know you. know especially if that someone is from. your family you know what I mean you. would think that you could you know what. I mean that is wild they're all related. yeah and their moms all behave in this. way and the moms are probably what. siblings they're either like inla it. could be you know the dad in-laws or but. but still they're all related Fabian. tells his mom that regardless when he.

gets out he's going to take her to the. salon so that she could get a massage. and he even tells his girlfriend soon. I'll be home guys soon I love you guys. so why the hell do both of them think. that they're going to be home anytime. soon June 29th 2018 this is 2 years. after Victoria's murder the new DA Raul. Torres he takes office and he holds a. press conference so by this point since. 2016 this was one of the more. high-profile cases in Albuquerque New. Mexico everyone and their entire genetic.

lineage at this point believed that. Fabian and Jessica had essayed Victoria. while Michelle was watching then. dismembered her and then lit her on fire. but the da says the authorities fumbled. the ball they say first we found no men. in Victoria's system part of the story. was that they force fed Victoria to calm. her down so that they could essay her. from 2016 they believed was um. Michelle's interrogation right but why.

did she uh the cousin start hitting them. in the middle of the night if that. happened she claims Michelle is lying it. was a man that did this an unknown man. that did this that essayed and killed. Victoria and then the dismembering yeah. it seems like Jessica and Fabian did. that okay but why is Jessica attacking. them in the middle of the night because. she felt like her cousin was not going. to believe the other man's story and. just blame it all on Jessica because she. is technically the only one home with. Victoria okay she's trying to kill them.

yeah she's like I know it's very hard I. think like the more you try to reason. with their logic the more you're going. to be confused because there is no. reasoning with their logic so she's like. oh I didn't kill her I would never kill. someone this random man came in and. killed her but because now everyone's. going to think I killed her I have to. kill two more people to make sure that. they don't think that I killed her. that's her. logic it's it's like the most crazy. logic but but the authorities say first. of all there is no Victoria system.

second of all Fabian and Michelle were. not home during Victoria's time of death. they might have been home during the. dismemberment it's very hard to say cuz. it's a very closed window but they were. not home when Victoria was killed third. of all they found partial DNA a unknown. male DNA on the back of Victoria this. could be saliva it could be sweat it. doesn't seem to be any sort of male. fluids it seems like saliva sweat but. it's a partial DNA and they ran it.

through the system they can't find a. match there was no in her system there. was a claim that she was suffocated with. a pillow which isn't consistent with the. evidence one unidentified male uh was. present and we know that from the. location of where that sample was. recovered which is directly from her. body uh on the midback uh we believe. that to to implicate them in the murder. that's C crazy and fabian's DNA was not. on Victoria that.

day so they say this version of events. that Michelle gave cannot be true he. says I recognize that these Revelations. are not consistent with the Public's. perception of what happened to Victoria. Martins but I want to share this. information with you to help the. community understand where this case is. going and ultimately assist in the. apprehension of everyone involved in. this horrific crime right now the only. suspect to Victoria's murder is the. unknown male. DNA all three of them their charges get.

decreased from murder to child abuse and. like tampering with evidence and Jessica. obviously assault aggravated assault. that's crazy and everyone freaks out now. Michelle's attorney jumps on this and. states the interrogation the confession. was false it was a false confession. Michelle's attorney States Michelle does. not function at the same level most of. us do these are his quotes she spent. most of her life saying things to people. please so if you ask her something she's. going to respond in a way that she.

thinks that you. like he states that she confessed due to. her people pleasing pushover personality. traits and the fact that she has a lower. than normal IQ she has a hard time. saying no or asserting herself one. person that allegedly used to work with. Michelle wrote online as someone who. worked in retail with Michelle 11 years. ago I can vouch that she has a pretty. low IQ I would estimate it's around 90. very simple-minded to which some. netizens they watch the interrogation. footage and they believe yeah this seems.

like a false confession everything is. kind of being spoonfed to her so they'll. insinuate no there's no way that. happened because you were in the room. and then her story evolves from there it. seems like she's taking whatever they're. saying and then adding upon it or saying. yes you're actually right or let me. change that you're right this was what. happened they're saying it feels like. she's leading all the questions the. female detective she's holding her hand. guiding her to say all of these things. some people say that they're almost. following an instruction manual to the.

tea on how to elicit a false confession. they're holding her hand they're. comforting her they're putting her guard. down motherto mother they're firmly. reiding her to new answers when they. don't accept the ones that she's given. they consistently say why are you lying. no I don't want to hear it you're lying. to us no you're lying okay did David. come into your house and have SE with. your daughter while you watched no. that wasn't a very honest. answer did I'm going to ask you.

again did David come into your house and. have your daughter while you. watched yeah okay which I will say. watching it it is not the most. aggressive interrogation I've seen I. would like to say that Maddie sto's the. Jennifer SoDo interrogation is more. aggressive than this one this is not. that aggressive at all in fact it's it's. pretty soft but I can see how people are. pointing out these leading questions mhm.

the level of um it it wasn't. particularly shocking in the aggression. but maybe the words that they were using. were a little more leading so you're. saying nothing in this tape can be used. against her like everything she said was. being fed I think the general sentiment. is that she is a heinous mother she is. likely doing she's bringing in all these. strange men into her house because she. does seem to be obsessed with boyfriends. when they talk to neighbors she's.

obsessed with boyfriends does not K her. put her kids first does not value the. safety of her kids I mean you don't. bring in a man Fabian she met on Plenty. of fish.com a dating website moved him. in after a month of talking to him. online mhm with her two kids 8-year-old. Matthew was not in the house he was at. his dad's house when all this happened. thankfully but she's a very bad mom at. one point Victoria was assaulted she. does have HPV she does seem like she had. gone through a lot of trauma however.

there's no proof that she was online. trying to look for men to assault her. kids in fact every time someone. assaulted her kids she would call the. police she would call the police that's. where a lot of conspiracies happened so. her ex-boyfriend had tried to kiss. Victoria and tried to touch her private. parts she kicked him out of the house. and called the police the police came. and told her straight up he tried to. kiss her is not a crime cuz he's just.

trying like attempting to kiss a child. is not a crime and the police did. nothing so now a lot of people believe. that the police are almost covering up. for themselves because they think that. if this goes into Discovery and the. attorney Michelle's defense attorney. comes out and is like look at everything. Michelle did and then look at this. interrogation they're leading her to all. this they could be in a lot of big. trouble. really so they're getting ahead of it. and saying this was a false confession.

those two officers are crazy for that. but the system is not broken don't look. at the system these two officers are. just the bad ones they led her to a. false confession don't don't look at us. because prior to this in the past year. she had called CPS like six times to. report we don't know the exact reports. cuz those are all closed investigations. and she didn't go through a trial where. that was put into evidence however it. just seems it seems like she was calling. CPS. she does keep putting her children in. dangerous situations but she also then.

will call CPS and the police when. something happens so it's very. confusing and I do think that if it had. been anyone not Michelle like look at. Fabian and Jessica they don't succumb to. the interrogation tactics I didn't see. it as like so alarming but that's also. what's so Insidious about false. confessions most people when they look. at it they're like well I would never. say anything but it takes a very. specific person and a very specific. environment for them to falsely confess.

to something it was pretty Insidious. like if there are so many people who. only saw the interrogation tape did not. do any Research into the case they don't. think that that was a false confession. mhm they just think like she's the. world's worst mom and she might as well. be she could be I I'm not debating that. I think she's honestly I think she could. stand to be in jail for the rest of her. life I think that would be great because. she she still let this happen to her. daughter mhm I think that makes her. despicable I think she's bringing men.

around that she's doing meth she's. exposing her children to this she's. putting her own frivolous dating life. above her own kids and I think that's. really gross and vile and I think that. she could be in jail for a very long. time mhm but I do think that the police. were asking very leading questions so. what does that mean then does that mean. we will never find out what happen cuz. what a you know not only will we never. find out what will happen all their. charges got decreased because initially.

all of them were charged with murder and. even without this false confession I. think every single one of those three. would have been charged with harsher. crimes because ultimately at the end of. the day there is a deceased child inside. their home mhm inside the apartment mhm. and it's just led to a lot of debates. online so the debates go something along. the lines of when comment will read. major props to the detectives some of. the questions asked were so depraved and. crazy there is no way I could listen to.

her without choking the life from her. what an absolute monster the officer. showed great restraint to which someone. comments back they actually the whole. thing up and this was considered a false. confession the evidence did not match. the story either I don't know if it was. the methew or what but she just like. agreed to all their suggestions to which. another person responds how is that. their fault though she chose to go along. with the story that made her look even. worse she's a monster either way but how. is it their fault that she wasn't being. honest that she wasn't there which. others agree and someone else even says.

I don't think this was a completely. false confession saying like maybe she. wasn't there the day that Victoria died. she probably saw Victoria get. dismembered but maybe the assaults were. taking place cuz it just the amount of. detail she was giving now others would. argue that in false confessions you. could give a lot of details so it's very. tricky and I think the fact that this is. being called a false confession you know. how we want the world to be very black. and white so when we think of false. confessions we think of innocent people.

who say things that they never did and. they're actually innocent and that makes. us want to raise awareness for false. confessions but what happens cuz I'm. sure these are most the false. confessions when it's a very gray area. she is a [ __ ] person and I think she's. horrible but also maybe this is a false. confession like how does that make. people feel yeah and also Fabian and. Jessica right yes like somebody. killed her killed her and they dismember. the body yes like that's beyond so they.

think that morally this was not a false. confession they think that morally she. is as corrupt as she is in the. interrogation maybe those exact things. did not happen the way that she's saying. but there must be some truth to her lies. is what neens believe morally she's. horrendous legally the officers did say. some things and do some things that. could lead to a JY questioning if the. confession could be valid or not and. with the evidence not matching up I.

think it's just really sucks that you're. saying that now so the case is. closed it cannot be reinvestigated well. it her murder no one has been charged. with her murder yet so someone could be. charged with her murder but what are the. odds that they're going to find a match. to the. DNA yeah are you saying that they're. going back to the original story from. Jessica Like a Stranger came to the. house. Ed and Ked her yes but that doesn't make.

sense either that doesn't make sense. either that's why people think a lot of. netizens think the authorities are. trying to cover up all. their a lot of netizens think the. authorities were called consistently to. check on Victoria they don't protect. Victoria they don't do anything about it. they say hey this grown man try to kiss. your kid sorry that's not a crime they. do nothing then Victoria ends up getting. murdered. they feel like they could also be on the. line for it so they just spin this I.

maybe there's a lot of heightened. emotions they go in they see the crime. scene they need a story as crazy as the. crime scene they elicit this crazy story. from Michelle and it's like hey don't. look at anything we've done look at what. Michelle did which is exactly what all. of New Mexico does for 2 years and then. a new Da comes in and around that time. Albuquerque Police dep Department was. going through some stuff where there. were multiple cases of el listenting. false confessions. so they thought let's get ahead of this. cuz if this goes to trial it's probably.

not going to work in our favor a lot of. get dug up and talked about and debated. by Michelle's attorneys by fabian's. attorneys by everybody's attorneys so. let's just get ahead of this and say. this was a false confession we're going. to charge them with this and then give. Michelle and Jessica plea deals wow that. is the conspiracy that a lot of neens. have I'm not saying that the Albuquerque. Police Department didn't anything I'm. just saying it is a little alarming when. CPS does nothing to these types of phone.

calls one of the reasons that nens don't. believe that Fabian and Michelle had. anything to do with the deaths which by. the way again me saying that Michelle. had nothing to do with Victoria's death. like I will never in my life defend a. woman like Michelle Martin like never in. my life I think it would be best for. society if she is locked away for a very. long time I don't even know if you can. rehabilitate at someone that does that. to their own children that lets them. puts them in such dangerous situations.

what kind of Rehabilitation can you do. that's your own offspring like you don't. even care about them how can you care. about anything so a lot of netizens. believe Michelle and Fabian were not. involved in Victoria's death because. they were the ones calling the police. like they went to the neighbors when. they were attacked by Jessica to have. the police called sure Michelle maybe. the elevator does not go all the way up. is what some netizens are saying however. Fabian he has been in prison like like. five bajillion times would he really. risk it usually people that are in and. out of prison to that level they avoid.

law enforcement like it is the next. tsunami that's going to hit they don't. call law enforcement ever they never get. them involved because with their record. Law Enforcement is never going to see. them as a victim they're never going to. say oh I'm so sorry you were attacked. they're going to be like you probably. did something and we're going to search. your entire house for drugs so we're. going to lock you up again he would not. call unless he genuinely felt like he. was just being attacked out of nowhere. and he had nothing to do with Victoria's. death didn't even know she was dead but.

he did also say that he saw Jessica. dismembering the body so I don't know. what's going on I know exactly so nens. are just going back and forth I'm just. repeating nzen sentiments now the. neighbors are the ones that called the. police and again they did not call. because they saw smoke billowing out of. the unit even though Victoria had just. recently been lit on fire in the bathtub. they don't see any smoke yet they call. because Fabian is like slamming on their. doors and authorities do note neans who. also believe again Fabian and Michelle.

are not involved this is just a nan. Theory this is not my personal belief. they believe that Michelle and Fabian. are not involved and authorities even do. note that Fabian was involved in a gang. related fight two days. prior I just want to say I think. gangs it has like the cartel. effect in in the sense of like I think. gangs are really dangerous same with any. sort of organized crime anywhere they. they take lives they're very dangerous. but this doesn't really seem like you. can't just say gangs and then put this.

kind of crazy crime on them a lot of. nens are like yeah gangs are really bad. gangs do some crazy stuff I've never. heard of a gang go into the apartment sa. and kill a 10-year-old girl that has no. biological relation to the person that. they're upset with and then leave like. it just they're like I don't know in. what world gang does. this yeah so the connection is loose.

yeah and then Jessica saying like he was. A well-dressed Mexican man and then. everyone's like like it just feels very. fictional like even the act itself is. fictional and then she's describing him. as like organized crime Mafia gang. leader so it's like none of this is. adding up W mhm now one comment read. yeah Mom and boyfriend weren't home I. don't think they were involved in the. assault and murder honestly still not.

the greatest people should not have left. her with Jessica but yeah I think it was. Jessica and some unknown man another. nzen brings up what is the likelihood. that an unidentified male comes into the. house essays and murders a 10-year-old. girl on her birthday which by the way. the next day was Victoria's birthday. 10th birthday all the while an adult is. present who is too high on to properly. recognize and identify the perpetrator. or stop the crime from from happening it. doesn't make any. sense which is the next Theory there is.

an unknown man that asayan killed. Victoria but he was not some elusive. Mafia member in A well-dressed suit that. came in looking for Fabian he was. invited in by Jessica netizens speculate. that Jessica might have sold Victoria. for drugs that she asked her drug dealer. to come over and he was willing to. participate in some grotesque acts. against humanity in exchange for drugs.

he will give her the drugs and he will. do what he wants with. Victoria this seems like the more. plausible Theory because there have been. cases where mothers themselves have sold. their children in exchange for drugs so. it seems like the only difference in. this Theory versus the story that. Jessica gave is that Jessica invites. this man in and he is not an unknown. aggressor with that people start. branching off in that theory maybe he.

gave her the drugs and then left and. then Jessica realizes Victoria is going. to tell someone about it so she kills. Victoria and then dismembers her or. maybe in the process of essaying. Victoria he kills Victoria and then. leaves and now Jessica is left to panic. and clean up after him I guess so there. are two branches of that theory and a. lot of people think this makes more. sense because consider this no knowing. Fabian I don't think that he would care. at all if Victoria was ESS or killed I.

don't think he cares she was ESS and. killed likely likely AA killed he. doesn't seem to care like it doesn't. really face him if a gang member wants. to come in and hurt Fabian this is not. the way to do it Fabian also has kids of. his own that stay with the children's. Mother this just doesn't make sense and. if the point would be to frame Fabian. for Victoria's murder and saay that. would have make sense because if he owes. the gang money which is what Jessica's. story is him being in jail does not help.

the gang others believe there is no. Unknown man and if there is an unknown. man like that partial DNA it could have. just been from something else it doesn't. mean that whoever did this had anything. to do with actually essaying and killing. Victoria some netizens a lot of netizens. think that this was solely on Jessica. clearly Jessica was saying some crazy. things she was like do you believe in. God she was talking about Jesus she's. high on she's taking out the smoke. detectors she's unhinged she kills.

Victoria then dismembers her I think the. part that some netizens feel wary about. this conspiracy is the essay part. however you have to remember Jessica was. charged with a betting like helping. someone essay someone in prison mhm so. it's not far-fetched one comment writes. Jessica Kelly scares me dude she is. legitimately fcked in the head I think. she is solely responsible she's a pedo. another comment reads I don't think. Michelle and Fabian were involved in the. assault and murder honestly still not.

the greatest people shouldn't have left. her with Jessica but I definitely think. it was just Jessica I always thought it. was a little weird that Jessica attacked. the other two while they were in bed and. by then the apartment was already on. fire and after that Jessica ran away. from the police while the other two. voluntarily went to the police I think. it was just Jessica now if you go. through the initial reports incident. reports along with the autopsy there's a. few things that Stand Out Victoria does. have an 2D which the authorities have. stated she likely contracted it a year. prior to her death cuz she was essayed a.

year prior so she has been essayed and I. think this is why I personally believe. that regardless of the false confession. Michelle deserves to burn in the depths. of hell because after her daughter is. essayed she just still lets these random. men move in to her home and then leaves. them like gives them free access to her. children and a lot of nens believe the. time of her death Victoria was likely. essay the initial incident report states. that there was bruising around the. child's neck possible signs of.

strangulation the child's undergarments. were locked inside the residence in a. garbage can her private parts were. soiled with dark blood and one part of. her autopsy reads there was evidence of. portm penetrating trauma to the rectum. including a posterior tear and abrasion. perimortem means at or near the time of. death trauma there does not. automatically indicate essay has taken. place but given everything else it's. definitely unwise to rule it out. completely additionally I looked into it. I thought maybe the way that they were.

trying to manipulate her body to. dismember and sever her limbs it doesn't. seem like that would cause that type of. Terror additionally she has quote. several blunt injuries that involve both. the private area and the rectum and she. may not have had in her system Michelle. said this during her false confession. but she did have high levels of ethanol. in her system alcohol now this is where. things get a little bit tricky the body. can create ethanol in the liver. postmortem after death but the level of. ethanol in Victoria is quite significant.

and if she had consumed that level she. would have been pretty intensely. cognitively and physically. impaired but the fact that she has. ethnol in her system does not mean that. she consumed it prior to death she could. have produced it postmortem but the. autopsy does state in an alcohol naive. person this level of alcohol could cause. cognitive and physical impairment so. perhaps they believe it was enough to. raise alarm again there's no pure. evidence that she was essayed the night. of her death but that doesn't mean that.

she wasn't and it's just caused a lot of. fights on Reddit one discussion on. Reddit goes like this Victoria could. have easily been attacked by a previous. male her mother trafficked her too. someone responds that never happened. another response then how did Victoria. end up with an STD another response she. was sexually abused but her mother had. nothing to do with it in fact she went. to the police to report it others feel. like it's still not good enough if your. child is bessay you got to be. hypervigilant with one nzen writing even. if the mother wasn't there when Victoria. was killed she damn well put her in that.

situation she's the one who started this. terrible chain of events I hope she. suffers every second for the rest of her. life along with the rest of them. everyone else who have hurt Victoria so. with this new investigation no one is. being charged with Victoria's murder. Michelle gets charged with child abuse. resulting in death Fabian with Reckless. child abuse resulting in death. conspiracy to tamper with evidence and. seven counts of tampering with evidence. Jessica with child abuse resulting in. death aggravated a assault with a deadly. weapon conspiracy to commit tampering. and three counts of tampering with. evidence infuriatingly Fabian was even.

released in 2019 awaiting his new trial. because his charges were decreased from. essay and murder to Reckless child abuse. charges he was under house arrest which. for some insane reason while he's out on. house arrest he gets married yeah. someone was someone was willing to marry. him Michelle and Jessica got less time. because they decide that they're going. to work with the police and testify. against Fabian and during the trial. Jessica's sister so fabian's other. cousin she shows up she's blowing kisses. at court reporters and at one point.

she's escorted out of the courtroom. because she says she's screaming you. guys are pieces of talking to Michelle. and Fabian not her sister Jessica she. says I'm going to get you Michelle. Fabian you're still family though in. prison Fabian does indeed get beat up. but it doesn't appear that it was for. his charges now I'm not here to neither. confirm nor deny any appreciation for. certain social systems put in place in. prison where child predators are treated. like walking punching bags I think. that's not a conversation for today but.

I regret to inform you that he did not. get beaten up for what he did to. Victoria it seems like he was just in a. heated argument with another prisoner. because the guy who beat him up is also. a. pedophile ultimately Michelle gets 12. years Fabian gets 37 and a half years. Jessica gets 44 years Michelle's parents. Victoria's grandparents are suing the. state with the argument that the state. did not do enough to protect Victoria. after all of those CPS calls a lot of. netizens hate this they feel like the.

grandparents also did not do enough to. protect Victoria and if anything they. were at least more involved and more. incentivized to help Victoria their the. grandparents they live very close by and. they did nothing that's what neisens. think so they also furthermore neisens. are upset that if the grandparents are. they win the lawsuit they are awarded. taxpayer. funds and they also stand by Michelle. they're like we don't think that. Michelle did any of this that was a. false confession she's a very nice girl.

and the community has come together to. purchase a gravestone for Victoria. because it really seems like nobody's in. Victoria's life that cared for her one. nzen who claims to know Michelle they. say Michelle was always pretty quiet at. work she was really reserved and I. remember the rough time frame of when. she met up with faan on some dating app. after that her work went to side note. she worked at the deli section and. Kroger so like Ralph's she would show up. late or call out she would never help. customers or she would just disappear on.

her phone I will never forget her breath. when she got close it was like a tar. type of smell I'm guessing it was the. yeah and then okay so her ex-boyfriend. side note this is completely side note. the ex-boyfriend that tried to kiss. Victoria remember MH he was an ex. cooworker of Michelle's they met working. at the store bye-bye. baby they sell like baby strollers he. worked in the stroller Department. which is incredibly alarming. yeah others feel like other neens feel.

like the interrogation was all sorts of. messed up writing I saw the. interrogation of Michelle she confirmed. anything the police said she would have. admitted that the mailman murdered her. daughter if prompted to but most netizen. sentiments just want all of them to burn. in the deepest STS of Hell writing stuff. like this makes me really think like I. wouldn't feel bad I would actually be. excited to see these types of people get. brutally. murdered another one reads even if her. mom and the boyfriend weren't home I'm. sure they were both complicit in it. somehow and they don't ever deserve to.

be free another one reads as much as I. hope this dude dies a slow painful death. alone on on a cement floor he wasn't. there at the time talking about Fabian. Albuquerque Police spectacularly up from. the get-go still has been unable to. account for another male DNA or even. release a timeline of events that makes. sense the da and the APD seem to be. content in walking away from this and. hoping everyone forgets how badly they. messed this one up once the sell shut. slam. shut other netizens are just really. upset because there's no.

justice and one comment reads I really. hope the police look into the other men. Michelle met not that I have any faith. in law enforcement since they clearly. don't seem to be doing much here but. they should just in case others are just. focused on the words that were spoken. during the interrogation writing quote. after you guys cut the arms off Victoria. cut her leg off then you went and made. dinner might be one of the most insane. things I've ever heard who could ever. participate in is membering their own. child and still want to eat I cannot. fathom and every time I think this story. can't possibly get worse it does and.

those are the nzen theories and. sentiments what are your thoughts on. this. case I mean it's just so bizarre from. every angle and I feel like every single. person failed. Victoria what are your thoughts let me. know in the comments and please be safe. and I will see you in the next one. [Music].