Man Dead In Front of Powerful Family Home After “Blizzard Party” -Everyone Inside Has Motive To Kill

[Music]. Bada bing, bada boom. >> They're calling it white out conditions. That means you get in your car, you put. the windshield wipers to the max speed, and you start driving, but you still. cannot see what is in front of you. A. giant pickup truck could be 30 ft in. front of you and you can't see it. because the snow is coming down so heavy. and the wind is so fast, these snow. flurries are just shooting straight at. your car. But this is the Boston, Massachusetts area. They get an average. of 45 ines of snow every single year.

That's like more than half of my height. They should be used to it. But January. 29th, 2022, it's getting pretty bad. There have been more than 100,000 power. outages reported in the area. Some areas. are experiencing wind gusts of 90 mph. I. mean, thankfully, that's only a few. spots, but just to give you an idea, an. average person can be knocked over, moved over by 67 mph winds. 90 miles per. hour. I mean, you're fighting against.

the wind as you're walking. Thankfully, most areas are 35 mileph winds, but it's. still not great. This is a proper. blizzard. One weather forecaster warns. the residents. The storm emergency has. been declared. Boston residents need to. be prepared for this one. This is likely. going to be an intense, dangerous storm. with heavy snow, high winds, and white. out conditions. This has the potential. to be a historic storm, a huge one. This. is likely to be an intense, dangerous. storm with heavy snow, high winds, and. white out conditions. Temperatures will.

be dropping into the single digit and. below zero numbers. We are talking about. treacherous conditions, dangerous, sometimes life-threatening conditions. Here in Boston, the best thing you can. do is stay inside. That is why a group of friends decide. they're going to have a blizzard party. They're going to hit up all the local. bars, then come back to this guy named. Brian's house, Brian the Blizzard Guy, and they're going to celebrate a little. bit more. So, they all end up at Brian. the Blizzard Guy's house at around.

midnight. And people from midnight to. about 2:30 a.m., one by one, these. partygoers, they start heading back to. their own house, driving in the middle. of the blizzard to get back to their. beds. By 2:30 in the morning, only the. residents of the house are still there. All the partygoers, all the guests have. left and gone. >> Mhm. >> Except for one. On the front lawn, about. 6 to 8 feet from the curb, from the. street, is the dead body of John. O'Keeffe, one of the guests that were.

invited to the blizzard party. He will. be found at 6:00 a.m. in the snow. Police arrive at the house where the. blizzard party just took place. They. find John, this man, unresponsive in the. snow. He's bleeding from the back of his. head. He's missing a shoe. There's. scratch marks on his arm. He's not even. wearing a jacket. There's injuries to. his face. He's just laying in the snow. in the front lawn of this house. There. are three women standing around his. unresponsive body. And all of them, they.

know this man. They know John O'Keefe. One of them went to high school prom. with him. Her name is Carrie Roberts. Another one has been friends with him. for almost a decade, Jen McCabe. And the. other one has been dating John O'Keefe. for the past 2 years. Her name is Karen. Reed. Karen Reed, the girlfriend, she's. inconsolable. I mean, she's running. around this blizzard screaming. She's. throwing herself on Jon O'Keefe's body, lifting up her shirt, lifting up his. shirt, trying to warm him up via body. heat. She has blood on her face from.

trying mouthto-mouth CPR. The woman that. went to high school prom with him, Carrie Roberts, she's screaming at. John's girlfriend, Karen. She's like, "Shut the up. We need to be able to like. have we need to get the blankets." She's. like, "Karen, you're doing too much. you. need to sit down. She's freaking out and. it seems like the calmst one at the. scene is Jen McCabe. John O'Keefe is. ultimately rushed to the hospital and is. pronounced dead. Now, the officers want. to find out what the hell happened here. Karen Reed, John's girlfriend, tells the.

officers, I mean, she dropped him off at. the blizzard party, drove back to John's. house to go to sleep. She woke up and he. still wasn't home. So, she got really. worried. She wanted to naturally come to. the place where she last saw him, where. she dropped him off, which is the. blizzard party. And that's when she. found him dead in the snow in the front. lawn. Jen McCabe says, "I was at the. blizzard party last night. I was inside. the house." She said she saw Karen. Reed's car pull up at around 12:30. Jonno keeps in the passenger seat, but. neither of them ever came in. >> So, one of them is for sure lying.

>> Yeah, Carrie. Well, you'll see. Carrie. Roberts, childhood best friend of John's. and former prom date. She says she. wasn't there at the party last night. In. fact, she doesn't even really know these. people. She only met Jen McCabe once, like seven years ago. Karen Reed, I. mean, she's been meeting her a few more. times, but only through John. Like, she's besties with John O'Keefe. The. only reason she's here is because Karen, John's girlfriend, called her an hour. ago in the middle of the night at 5:00. a.m. screaming that Jon is dead.

>> H. >> Carrie says, "You know, Karen, the. girlfriend, she also mentioned a few odd. things. Something about a cracked tail. light." Karen also allegedly said. something along the lines of, "Did I hit. him? Did I hit him?" Everyone involved. in this incident has a very different. story. So, what happened between 12 and. 6:00 in the morning? It seems like the. people that would have the most clear. answers are the people that were inside. the house. But their stories just don't. make sense. And they're starting to get. very upset that people are accusing them.

of having anything to do with John. O'Keefe being dead in the front lawn. They say whatever they've done to us is. they've dehumanized us to the sense. where we're not even real people. anymore. We're almost like caricatures. We're just pawns. In an interview, they're asked, "Have each of you been. called murderers? Like actual. murderers?" Oh, yeah. On a daily basis, you know, and we get down. We get. depressed. And it's like, but this isn't. the town we grew up in. We didn't do. anything wrong. Why should we have to go. anywhere? Besides, someone else has.

already been arrested for the killing of. their friend John O'Keefe, his. girlfriend Karen Reed. She has been. arrested for intentionally hitting her. boyfriend with her car in a drunken. fight, leaving him for dead in the snow. in the front lawn. But why does nobody. believe that? Netzens don't believe it. There were two trials and none of the. jurors believed it. They believe that. Karen Reed is being framed by the group. of friends. Is it because every time. their story is questioned, they start.

slipping up? Is it because none of their. cell phone records really match what. they're saying? Or does it have to do. with the fact that every time they get. up on that witness stand to testify, they start getting aggressive and they. start having these collective bouts of. amnesia as a friend group where they. cannot recall details that they should. be able to recall. This is the case of. Karen Reed and why everyone thinks that. she has been framed. [Music].

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your continued support as we work on our. mission to be worthy advocates. As. always, full show notes are about rotten. mango.com. A few disclaimers before we get started. There are references to driving under. the influence alleged physical assault. This is going to be the first episode in. a four-part series of the Karen Reed. trials, which I know sometimes this. series can be a lot. Please watch at. your own discretion. This case also. spans over two trials. So, the first. trial ended in a mistrial. However, even.

following all of the legal proceedings, this case is incredibly divisive. People. say in the town of Canton, Massachusetts, this case is worse than. politics. >> You do not bring it up at dinner. parties. You do not bring it up in. casual conversation with friends. People. in high school are not talking to each. other because of this case. Parents are. not talking to their kids because of. this case. >> Wow. >> It's very divisive. And our intention. for this episode is not to sway anyone's. opinion, but to present the facts of. this case and the proceedings.

altogether. We went through hundreds of. hours of courtroom footage, courtroom. transcripts, testimonies, dash cam. footage. I did my best to include both. trials throughout this series, but of. course for the sake of time and clarity. Many quotes and statements from. testimony and/or opening closing. statements have been shortened, condensed, or combined. Any and all. speculations, accusations, and. allegations discussed are unproven and. are representative of theories that you. can publicly find online from numerous. nizens. These are not like things that I.

came up with in my basement. These are. discourse that's floating around in the. internet. We maintain that all. individuals are innocent until proven. guilty in a court of law. Most. importantly, I want to be very clear. that John O'Keefe ultimately lost his. life. Our team in no way, shape or form. are purposely trying to shift importance. off of his death. Rather, and I think. quite frankly, please be aware that Jon. not being the primary focus of this case. as a whole is more a reflection of how. this case has been handled and presented. by the authorities involved. And with. that said, I have also created this.

wall. Um, I was trying to explain to my. husband a few of the people involved. initially because as I'm researching, I. do get a little like confused and I want. to talk to someone about it and I'm. explaining to him, okay, this is kind of. the bare bones of the story. I explained. like 2 seconds and already he's like, I. don't know who is who, so you're going. to need some pictures or something. So, this is the wall of people because I. think with this case, the deeper you. dig, the more everyone is connected. It's not even just there's a lot of. people. It's the fact that they're all.

somehow connected. >> That's crazy. >> And so with that, don't stress out about. the people yet. We're gonna get to each. of them. >> And now I see like different colors and. different color lines. >> Yes, the colors do mean something. eventually. >> Wow. Okay. >> So, with that, let's get started. There. is one case in Massachusetts that was so. heinous that residents decided they want. to bring the government to bring back. the death penalty. They said, "We don't. care. We want them dead. There had been.

attempts before, but this one, it was. practically a citizen-run campaign to. get legislators to vote for the. reinstatement of capital punishment by. the state. That case is the murder of. 10-year-old boy Jeffrey Curley. 10-year-old Jeffrey was trying to buy a. bike. He doesn't have the money, but. these two older men, they're like, "We're going to promise you a bike and. we're going to give you $50.". Instead, they kill him, essay him, and. dump his body in a Tupperware container. in the river. This was the biggest case.

in Massachusetts at the time. This was I. mean, especially because the two. killers, they don't want to go down. without fighting. One of them. specifically is trying to argue, "Yeah, I was there, but I wasn't the one that. physically kidnapped, nor was I the one. that physically killed the little boy.". It was the other guy, the lead. prosecutor on this case, David Yianetti. He comes in swinging. He's telling the. jurors in the closing statement, "When. you boil it down, this case comes down. to the fact that 10-year-old Jeffrey. Curley left Cambridge one afternoon and.

never came home because two men killed. him.". >> And they purchased two cigars for the. ride to Jane's apartment to smoke along. the way while the lifeless body of. Jeffrey Curley lies in their trunk. I. ask you to find Mr. Sakari guilty of. murder in the first degree and nothing. less. >> David Yianetti's closing arguments for. this case was said to have been one of.

the most emotional closing arguments to. take place in a Massachusetts. courthouse. He is known in the state of. Massachusetts for this case. But that. case was decades ago. In 2022, David. Yianetti no longer works for the DA's. office. He's no longer a prosecutor. He. actually owns his own criminal defense. law firm. and he just took on a new. client, Karen Reed. Probably not the biggest case on his. desk. Woman potentially drunk driving in. a blizzard. Maybe hit her boyfriend with. her car by accident. I mean, it's bad.

It's really bad. Her boyfriend, John. O'Keefe, was found dead in the snow in. someone else's front lawn. But it's not. a murder case. It's not It's just a. little tricky. David says, "At first. glance, the whole thing seemed like. perhaps a tragic accident until David. Yianetti gets an anonymous phone call.". Hello. David says, "The anonymous. caller's voice is very grally. It sounds. very scratchy and low. He's very vague. The man claims to have background as a. Boston law enforcement officer, but he. says something along the lines of, "Your.

client is innocent. Look inside 34 Fair View. Look at the. people inside the house. John O'Keefe. was beaten up by Brian Albert, Blizzard. Brian, the homeowner, and his nephew. When John doesn't come to Brian and a. federal agent that happened to be at. this party dump John's body on the front. lawn, >> so the house is Brian's house. >> Yes. Blizzard Brian. This is Brian.

Albert's home and his wife Nicole. Albert's home. M. >> this is where things get very strange. David Yianetti eventually calls this. anonymous tipster back for this very. mysterious tip. He wants more. information for a longer interview, but. the man starts backtracking. He's. saying, "Well, no, I don't know for. sure. I was just speculating based off. the pictures that were released of John. O'Keefe's body because it just didn't. look like injuries from a car accident.". But at the time that the anonymous. tipster had called in for the tip, those.

autopsy pictures had not been released. No pictures of John O'Keefe's body after. the fact had been released to the. public. So, what does he mean he was. speculating based off of those pictures? He hasn't been able to see those. pictures yet. >> It feels like the anonymous caller gets. spooked and starts backtracking. Eventually, he flat out denies that he. ever said that to David Yianetti and he. recants this entire tip altogether. But. David Yianetti and his client Karen. Reed, they decide we are going to take a. look inside of 34 Fair View. Did we find.

out who the caller is? >> Um, it seems like there is a strong lead. of who it is. >> Now, I really hate saying this about. cases, but it does feel like an Agatha. Christie novel only in the sense, not in. the sense of like it's a murder mystery, but in the sense of like every single. person inside has the potential motive. to want John O'Keefe dead and he is. found dead on the lawn and everybody is. sus. January 29th, 2022, there is a.

birthday party inside of 34 Fair View. Road. It's not just a blizzard party, and John O'Keefe is invited to that. party. By 6:00 a.m., he's found dead in. the snow outside. And every single. person, they're weird. First of all, people keep forgetting and omitting who. was inside the house the night of the. party. It actually takes months for. people to find out exactly who was. inside the house that night. People keep. conveniently forgetting other people. One woman that was at the house that. night starts googling at 2:00 a.m. how.

long to die in the cold before anybody. was even found in the cold. And everyone. leaves this so-called party and goes. back to their homes and there's a series. of suspicious phone calls between the. partygoers. They're calling each other. up all night. Suspicious phone calls. that conveniently nobody recalls. In. fact, they say, "You know what? That is. strange." And I don't recall those. because it must have been a butt dial. You are talking about over a dozen butt. dials in one night between the.

partygoers. >> Like from 2:30 to 6:00 a.m. >> Some of them are a little bit sooner. than 2:30, but it's very weird. >> Now, the night you're talking about over. a dozen butt dials the night that John. O'Keefe was killed. What are the chances. of that? Then there's the other small. things, but I mean, they feel small at. first, but it starts getting weirder. It's believed that John O'Keefe's body. was laying out in the snow since 12:45. a.m. And yet, every single person that. leaves the party, leaves this house, drives past his body in the snow and.

does not see him in the front lawn. >> Where did that 12:30 come from? That. body was in the snow at 12:30. >> We're going to get there. Okay. >> Yeah. And it's debated if he was out. there in the snow at 12:30, but it it's. just weird that nobody sees him in the. snow because all the partygoers are. saying, "Yeah, he was probably out there. since Karen left because she hit him. with the car. She left around 12:30, so. he must have been laying out there since. then.". >> And yet, none of them see him in the. snow when they drive past. Then his.

girlfriend Karen, she wakes up at 4:00. a.m. to realize that he hasn't come. home. Now, one of the first places that. she checks is 34 Fair View Road. She. sees him lying in the snow, bleeding. from the face. He looks like he's been. in a fight. She starts hysterically. screaming while a fire truck, ambulance, and a multiple police cruisers arrive at. the scene. And the homeowners, they. never come outside. >> This is all happening. Brian Albert, Nicole Albert, they never come outside. They sleep through the whole thing is.

what they say. Is it like a really big. house or? >> No. >> So, it's like a regular neighborhood. >> Yeah. I mean, it's a nice house, but. it's a it's a regular residential house. >> That's crazy. >> It's not a mansion where the driveway is. like 25 ft long, and you're like, "Oh, well, that's a different zip code up. there." No, it's your front lawn. >> Not only that, one of the residents. inside the house is a first responder. When they find John's body outside. unresponsive, nobody goes and knocks on. the door to wake up the homeowners. I.

mean, they're all very close friends. Especially Jen McCabe. She was at the. party last night. She doesn't go and. knock on the door to wake up Nicole and. Brian Albert to come help before the. police arrive. >> Yeah. >> What's even weirder is that Karen Reed. states that she did drop John off at the. house and she saw him walk towards the. front door before she finally drives. off. Now, remember, everyone inside the. house said he never came inside. She. said that she sees him walk towards the. front door. And in fact, John's Apple.

Health data shows that after 12:20 a.m., which is around the time that his. girlfriend drops him off, he takes 80. steps, which is the equivalent of half. of a football field. And it shows that. he went up and down three flights of. stairs, which would be impossible had he. just gotten out of the car and been hit. by Karen Reed. But maybe the Apple. Health data is wrong. There have been. some reports that sometimes it heavily. under reportports the amount of stairs. that you climb, which wouldn't really. work in this case, but maybe it also. over reports sometimes. Others say.

sometimes they drive up a hill and the. Apple Health data will say that they. climbed up the hill, but it's all still. very strange. Those are a lot of steps. and those are a lot of stairs and it. would make sense based on the data that. he went inside that house. >> But every single person is adamant and. they say the same thing. John was never. in the house. So, does that mean he made. a U-turn somewhere else at the very last. minute? Or does that mean Karen Reed is. lying? I mean, it must be true because. everyone in the house is saying the same.

thing. Jon was never in the house. They. all say that except for one person. During the trial for the murder of John. O'Keefe, one person slips up. She's. talking about the timeline when another. partygoer leaves the house and she says, "He was not at the house when John was. there, so I drove him home when John was. there." So, >> and people are wondering, did she just. slip up on the stand. >> that John O'Keefe was inside the house? >> M. >> So, yeah, maybe the anonymous caller, regardless of who they are, maybe.

they're on to something. If you're going. to say things that you don't want anyone. to know about, the last place that you. should say those things probably isn't a. group chat. In essence, a group chat is. a bunch of people and a permanent. transcript. People will take screenshots. of group chats, post them online, or. sometimes these group chats will be read. out loud in the middle of a cramped. Massachusetts courtroom, and you're. going to have to read every single word. that was typed out to your friends when. you thought nobody was going to read.

them. Michael Proctor takes the stand, otherwise known in the group chat as. Chip. Michael says he's known a lot of. these group chat members since he was, you know, in middle school, high school. I mean, these are his childhood friends. So, from October 18th, 2021 to August. 31st, 2022, about a year, there are. 38,77. messages in this one group chat. But the. only ones that the court cares about. really are the ones starting from.

January 29th, 2022, the day that John. O'Keefe is found dead in the snow. Michael aka Chip in the group chat gets. a message from his friend. It's just a. link to John O'Keefe's Facebook page. There's a quick conversation about John. O'Keefe and his girlfriend Karen Reed. and he's texting in the group chat. She's a babe. Like she's hot. >> Wait, I'm so sorry. Timeline wise, this. was after John O'Keefe was found dead. Someone sent a. >> Yes. >> link. >> So, everyone in the town is talking. about it. >> Oh, they're already talking about this.

death. And then someone sent Karen. Reed's O'Keefe's Facebook link, but. they're talking about Karen Reed because. she's the girlfriend of John O'Keefe. >> I see. >> And this man, Michael Proctor, he says. about Karen Reed, she's a babe. Like, she's hot. >> Weird Fall River accent though, saying. that she's got a weird accent and also. comments, "She's got no ass." So, his. whole text reads, >> "Uh, yes, she's a babe. Weird fall river. accent though.

No ass." And of course, eventually there. will be conversation about Karen Reed. being arrested for hitting her boyfriend. with the car because it's all anyone in. the whole town is talking about. And. later there's a picture sent in the. group chat that is Karen Reed being. arrested for hitting her boyfriend and. she's being escorted into the state. police barracks and one of Michael's. friends texts in the group. Is that. chick a smoke? >> Is that chick a smoke? I respond, >> eh? Nut bag. She's got a leaky balloon.

knot. It leaks poo. >> Um, I respond again, nut bag, as chief. would say. Um, I also respond with she's. got a leaky balloon knot. Uh, leaks poo. Um, Michael Proctor said she has a leaky. balloon back. >> Balloon knot. He's referencing her. rectum. Yeah. And her medical condition. So, she. has MS. Now, on a later date, he texts in a. group chat that people would find Karen.

Reed hot if you only quote, >> "If you like women who [ __ ] themselves.". >> Michael also mentions that he's looking. into Karen Reed and quote, "No nudes so. far.". >> No nude so far. >> Which these messages are really heinous, especially when they're read out in. court. Michael Proctor's ears are. turning bright red. But the problem is. Michael Proctor is not some random local. incel still just raiding women in the. group chat that they can never date with. their high school buddies. Michael.

Proctor is the lead investigator on the. death of John O'Keefe. And this is what. he's texting his buddies. He. >> police buddies. >> Yes. He's a state trooper for the. Norfolk County's DA's office. He's part. of the homicide unit within. Massachusetts State Police. He's taking. the lead on the investigation onto the. death of Jot O'Keefe. And his main. suspect is Karen Reed where he is going. through her phone after her arrest.

looking for nudes. He texts his buddies. quote, "no nudes so far.". >> That ising crazy. Which means they do. that all day long. >> Yeah. >> On every single case, >> he's also texted his supervisors that. and they don't reprimand him. They don't. admonish him in the group chat. >> Yeah, because the supervisor probably. does that too. Then. >> in other messages, Michael Proctor calls. his main suspect in this case. >> Yep. So, these came from me. From all. accounts, he didn't do anything wrong.

She's a whack job. C N T. >> Objection. >> So, don't spell it. You have to So, this. these are your words. >> Yeah, Shano. >> Go ahead and say them. Then in a later text message, this time. not with his boys, he texts his sister, Courtney Proctor, about Karen Reed, again, the main suspect that he's. investigating. He says to his sister, "I. hope she kills herself.". >> Then a few months later, >> he texts his wife because Michael.

Proctor is married. He texts his wife, "We're going to lock this whack job up.". And just like that, February 1st, 2022, Karen Reed is arrested and charged with. manslaughter, motor vehicle homicide, and leaving the scene of a personal. injury or death. The DA's office is. saying that Karen Reed dropped Jon off. at 34 Fair View Road and then ran him. over with her car as she's backing up to. leave the house and left his body in the. snow on the front lawn. His body is. found Saturday. She is arrested on.

Tuesday night. 4 months later, Karen. Reed gets upcharged to secondderee. murder. One person states, "The line. between gross vehicular manslaughter and. seconddegree murder is very, very thin. If you exhibit a disregard for the. safety and the life of another person. and they die as a result, you've got. seconddegree murder." So, for example, vehicular manslaughter means you're. driving in a way that's negligent, reckless, unlawful, but you have no. intent, like you don't go out like, you. know what, if I kill someone tonight, I. kill someone tonight. You are you have.

no intent to cause bodily harm. By. upgrading Karen Reed's charges from. vehicular manslaughter to seconddegree. murder, the Commonwealth of. Massachusetts is now saying, "We still. believe everything we said before, but. now we think Karen did this on purpose. She ran her boyfriend over on purpose. You had intent to kill or cause serious. bodily harm. Maybe you didn't plan on. it, but in that moment, you had intent.". Karen's attorney, David Yiani, the one. that received the anonymous tip, he is.

more thrown off by this because this is. strange. He is a local attorney that has. worked for the DA's office in. Massachusetts for decades. He says. usually when prosecutors decide to. upcharge someone, they will reach out to. the attorneys. >> It's just a thing they do. I mean, they. did that in the Shawn Combmes case. It's. just a thing they do to give them a. heads up. Not that he was up charged, but you get the idea. especially an. attorney like David Yianetti who has. worked for the DA's office for a very. long time and has good relationships. with prosecutors. It's not the exact.

DA's office, but he's a well-known. former prosecutor. It doesn't make. sense. Why wouldn't they let him know? Why wouldn't they give him a courtesy. call? That coupled with the anonymous. tipster David Yianetti is saying. something's weird. He said it's so dirty. and underhanded that they would go. behind my back. What exactly are they. trying to say Karen Reed did? The. prosecution states Karen Reed got drunk. at the bar and when she got to drop off. John O'Keefe at 34 Fair View, she gets.

into a fight with him in the car, backs. up in her quick reverse to get out of. that neighborhood, hits John O'Keefe, kills him, and leaves him for dead. >> Then on January 29th, 2022, a very. intoxicated. was angry and arguing about the. relationship with John O'Keefe. And. after the fight was over, she left. But. she brought the fight back in the form. of her SUV. She clipped him. He fell. backwards. He broke his head. >> The prosecution say they've got all the.

evidence to back it up, including every. single person that was at 34 Fairview. Road will tell you what happened and you. will conclude that Karen Reed killed her. boyfriend. >> That's a really dumb way to do it if. that's what she wanted to do. >> Yeah. Now, they're saying everyone at. the party is going to let you know that. Karen Reed did this. So, let's start. with the residents at 34 Fair View, the. homeowners, Brian and Nicole Albert. These are the Alberts. The Alberts are. very important. They're a very powerful,

well-known, well-connected family in the. town of Canton, Massachusetts, which is. about a 30-minute drive to Boston, but. it kind of operates like a small town. They've got a select board. So, this is. um very small town hallmark. You get a. group of people that are voted in to. directly oversee the town operations. So. instead of a mayor, like most major. mid-range to big cities have a mayor, you get a select board, three to five. members, and they control everything. This all becomes important later, but in. this small town of Canton, about.

population 24,000, the Alberts are a. well-known, very big family. You've got. Brian Albert, the dad. You've got Nicole. Albert, the mom. You've got their son, Brian Albert, Jr., Caitlyn is also their. daughter. She's important later. But. Brian Albert Jr., we're going to call. him birthday Brian because it was his. 23rd birthday that night. >> Wow, he's young. >> He's young. Now, Brian, Big Brian, he. invites a ton of his friends over, including John O'Keefe, to the house. >> Mhm.

>> Birthday Brian already had a few friends. over because it was his birthday. They. have other kids, but they're not really. important right now. And you have their. dog Chloe, a German Shepherd mix. Chloe. is very important later. Cool. >> So, birthday Brian decides he's going to. invite friends over. >> Oh, I see. The red ones are the Alberts. family. >> Well, the red ones are familial and or. normal connections. >> Oh, I'm talking about the background. The red background. >> Yes. Yes. The red background are one.

part of the Albert family. >> One part. Okay. >> One part. >> Okay. Birthday Brian is like, "Hey, Dad, mom, I'm going to have people over for. my little birthday party. So, like, could you scuaddle for a few hours and. maybe come back later?" So, the parents, they decide that they're going to go to. a local bar called the Waterfall. Dad. and mom, they're meeting up with their. friends. They leave their family house. They get to the waterfall and they make. an open invitation at around midnight. because the waterfall is closing early. And they're saying, "Hey, it's birthday. Brian's birthday. If you guys want to.

come over, get a few drinks." I mean, at. the bar, they've got family, they've got. friends, they've got acquaintances. They. just make an open invitation. Anybody is. welcome if you want to come over and. keep the night going. And it's a small. town, so no one's really a stranger. But, for example, Nicole Albert will. later testify that she wasn't really. familiar with John O'Keefe or his. girlfriend Karen Reed. They just. happened to be at the bar and they all. ran in similar circles. So, it's not. like she's asking random strangers to. come over, but she's she's not even well. acquainted with them. It's just an open.

invite. They don't really do a head. count at the bar. They're just like, "Come over if you want." And then they. leave. >> So, John and Karen both were at the bar. drinking. >> Yes. They were invited. >> Most these people who went to the party. later were at the bar already. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Unfortunately, a lot of people are. driving while under the influence. There. is CCTV footage of all of them at the. bar. And we're going to go into depth in. later episodes, but just know the. waterfall is like the last moment of. peace. It seems like one local puts it,

Waterfall ended. Everything went to. chaos. Those last few moments where. everything was okay were all caught on. video in this quiet little bar. restaurant. They get back to the house. where Birthday Brian is in the kitchen. with a few of his friends. Nicole says, "I mean, that's my son." So, she comes. in and she starts cleaning up the. kitchen, checking the bathroom to make. sure that everything is organized before. the guests come over. And in walks. Matthew McCabe and his wife, Jen McCabe. Jen McCabe is one of the three women to. find John O'Keefe's body. She's actually.

been friends with John O'Keefe for. nearly a decade, but she's also sisters. with Nicole Albert. This blue line right. here, that means they're siblings. related by siblings. Any blue lines are. sibling relation, >> and it's kind of important. So, I mean, Jen is basically an Albert, but not. really. She's kind of um they call them. the McCabe Alberts online. >> Okay. >> So, you've got Jen, who is sisters with. Nicole Albert. So, she's going to her. sister's house, >> okay, >> to say happy birthday to her nephew.

>> So, she shows up. She was at the. waterfall with her husband. She shows up. with her husband when she gets a phone. call. Jen McCabe gets a phone call from. John O'Keefe. He's in the car. His. girlfriend Karen Reed is driving and. they're trying to find the house, but. it's just kind of unclear which house it. is. Jen starts giving him directions. over the phone. And now, side note, the. homeowners know of John O'Keefe. Like I. said, they know Karen as John's. girlfriend, but they know of John. O'Keefe. Like, they're not friendly with. John O'Keefe, and Karen is even lesser.

to them because she's just his. girlfriend, >> right? >> Jen McCabe, however, is very friendly. with John. She's the one that invited. them. So, she's like, "Oh, yeah. Let me. give you the directions." And she's. telling him where the house is, which. would indicate that he's coming over, right? Jen says at one point, she looks. out the window of the house and she sees. this big SUV, one that is presumably. Karen Reeds. and John O'keefee is. presumably in the passenger seat. It's. very clear that they've arrived at the. right house. They're here. They're out. in the front. Jen says she goes to the. window a few times. She's texting him at. corresponding times being like, "Here,

like you're here, right?" And she sees. the car in a few different positions. Like at one point it's further away. Now. it's closer. Now it's just like it's. just weird. And then eventually the car. is gone. So she just assumes maybe Karen. and John decided to call it a night last. minute. Perhaps they got into a fight. Perhaps something happened. But. according to everyone in the house, including Jen McCabe, neither John nor. Karen ever make it inside. So they just. they just leave. I mean, that's what. everyone's saying. In fact, Brian Albert. says, "John never came into my house.

that night. He would have been. welcomed." And Karen Reed would have. been welcomed with open arms had they. had come in. I wish they had come in. I. really do. Which is kind of a weird thing to say. >> Mhm. >> Carrie Roberts is a close friend of. John's. Very, very close friend. She's. the one that went to prom with him. She's like his childhood best friend. She is the other woman that finds John. O'Keefe's body along with Karen Reed and. Jen McCabe. She was not invited to the. Waterfall Bar. She or even to 34 Fair.

View. She's laying in bed away from the. winter storm when she gets a phone call. from Karen at like 5:00 in the morning. And she had the opposite of a night of. what everybody else had. She went. bowling with her daughter and her. daughter's friend. She comes home early. because there's a storm coming. She just. wants to be home, but her husband is on. his way out. This is like 8:30. She runs into him and she's like, "Where. where are you going?" He's like, "Oh, I'm going to the bar to meet John. O'Keefe." So, her husband is very close. with John O'Keefe. >> Who's her husband?

>> He's not on here, but his name is Kurt. >> Oh, okay. >> Kurt Roberts is a really close friend of. John O'Keefe's. And they end up meeting. at a different bar. >> So, before the waterfall, John was at a. different bar. So, they meet there and. his wife is like, "Okay." Carrie's like, "I'm not going. I'm just trying to be. home." And he also says, "I didn't want. to go either, but John and another guy. of theirs, they wanted me to come up.". And quote, >> they reached out. They were at uh. McCarthy's. the bar in Canton Center, and they. wanted me to come up. I was say, you.

know, I didn't want to I wanted to stay. in cuz there was a storm coming. And. then he referred me a [ __ ] And I uh. sorry I just. >> and I I can't let that happen. So I had. to go. >> which I don't want to confuse you with. too much timeline but um if it helps. John does meet up with a few friends at. a separate bar called CF McCarthy's. That's actually where Karen comes to. meet up with John. >> Okay. >> So she meets up with John and a few of.

John's friends. And then the rest of. John's friends, they decide to go home. early. John and Karen, they get invited. to go to the Waterfall Bar, and that's. where they meet up with all the Fair. View people, the Mc Alberts. >> Yeah. >> Did Karen say why she didn't want to go. in after dropping off John? >> Yes. She will explain later. Okay. >> Now, in both instances of both bars, Karen is mainly there for John. And I. mean, she's not really friends with. anybody else at the bars. Like, these. are all kind of more so Jon's circle of.

friends, not hers. So Carrie's husband, Kurt, comes home early right after the. first bar. He never gets invited to 34. Fair View. They hit the bed, they fall. asleep, and Carrie shoots up out of bed. to her phone ringing at 5:00 a.m. because why the hell is Karen Reed. calling her? Carrie claims she picks up. and she just hears Karen screaming, "John's dead. Carrie, Carrie, Carrie.". And then she hung up. >> Carrie says she didn't even have the. chance to have a conversation. Like, what do you mean he's dead? I mean, did. you catch the timeline? because nobody.

found Jon's body until 6:00 a.m. Carrie. is saying Karen called her at 5:00 a.m. screaming John's dead. >> Mhm. >> Weird. Karen was screaming so loudly. that Kurt Roberts, Carrie's husband, wakes up in the middle of the night and. is like, "Who is that? Why are they. screaming at you?" He keeps asking. Carrie, "What the hell was that?" And. she's like, "I don't know." She's. jumping out of bed. She's pacing the. room. She doesn't know if she should get. dressed because what's happening right. now. She says, "I tried calling her a. couple of times to be like, what is. going on?" Karen finally called me back. and she said, "I'm afraid John might be.

dead." So now it's I'm afraid John might. be dead. He might have gotten hitten by. a snow plow. Like you know this big. giant trucks that plow the plow the. snow. >> Mhm. And this is still before 6:00, right? Like 5 something. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> She did not come home last night. I. think something happened. >> Carrie's trying to understand. Well, where are you right now? I'm driving. Can I come to your house? Will you drive. my car? I don't remember anything from. last night. We drank so much. I don't. remember anything. you're going to get a. DUI if you were drinking all night last. night and you don't remember anything.

You shouldn't be driving. I'm going to. come to your house. Will you drive my. car? Carrie says after that, she starts. getting dressed. And she says, quote, I. think that's when my husband was like, where are you going? I just said, I. don't know. Something happened. John. didn't come home. Karen's worried. So, I'm going to go look go help her. And he. said, you're not going anywhere. It's a. blizzard. And I said, yes, I am. I went. downstairs. I started the car. So, Carrie Roberts gets in her own car and. starts heating it up. Cleared it off. waits for Karen to get there and she. doesn't come. So, she's calling all. these people and Carrie says that she's.

waited in the car for about 10 minutes, which there are a lot of interesting. things about this part, which is first. of all, Jon is Carrie's husband's close. friend now, too. I mean, obviously. Carrie Roberts knew Jon for the longest, but she introduced her husband to John. and they're close enough that Jon. invites Carrie Roberts's husband to the. bar last night. >> Yeah, exactly. He doesn't want his wife. to go out in the storm and yet she's. sitting in her car for 10 minutes. Like. 10 full minutes. He could have tried to. stop her. He could have gone with her. I. don't know. It's intriguing. It's not. particularly suspicious, but it is.

weird. Now Carrie says after waiting, Karen doesn't show up. Carrie's probably. sitting in her car getting more and more. anxious every second. So, she finally. picks up her phone, calls the. non-emergency line for the local police. department. Sergeant Good from Canton. Police picks up. >> Can police Sergeant Good. >> Hi. Um, my name is Larry. I'm calling. because my friend boyfriend did not come. home last night. We were at Waterfall. and now she is calling me hysterical. because she doesn't know where he is.

Did you didn't pick anybody up by the. name of Jonno O'Keefe? Did you? >> No. >> I think he probably got a ride and. passed out at someone's house, but I. don't know. >> Are you Is that the good I'm looking at? >> Oh, yeah. That is exactly the one you're. looking good. >> Shan good. Now, the operator tells her. that he hasn't heard any news or. anything of that sort. Carrie says, "At. that point, I wasn't super worried. I. mean, he didn't come home, but they were. out drinking, so I assumed he's probably. on someone's couch." Finally, Karen. called Carrie back. And Carrie Roberts.

testifies later. I said, "Where are you, Karen? I'm in the car." And Karen said, "I'm at Jen's house." And I said, "Jen. who?" She said, "Jen McCabe. She's going. to drive my car." And I said, "Okay, stay there. I'll come. We'll follow and. we'll drop your car off. >> Wait, so Karen is the whole time saying. either asking Carrie or Jen to drive her. car? >> Yes. >> Why is that? >> Oh, she's so hysterical. >> Oh, she's not good enough to drive right. now. Like, she's not well.

>> She's beyond hysterical. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Carrie is claiming Karen already knows. that John is dead at 5 a.m. before. finding John's body. >> That's what Carrie initially claims. Hm. >> There's lots of changing claims as well. >> And there's a lot of like, well, I. didn't necessarily mean it like that. >> Okay. >> But we don't know what Karen said. And. also later when Karen does call back the. second time, she's like, I think he. might be dead. So it could have been. that she's so hysterical and she's just. like freaking out. He's dead. He's dead. But she doesn't know.

>> I mean, there have been some people. arguing that. There have been some. people being like, "No, Carrie is flat. out lying about it. >> We don't know. We're not privy to the. actual phone call.". >> I see. So Karen is now telling Carrie. that she's at Jen McCabe's house. And. Carrie is telling her, "Okay, we'll just. stay there. I'm going to come to Jen. McCabe's. I'll follow you. We'll drop. your car off. We'll just take my car and. go look for John." She says, "I drove to. Jen's. I pulled in the driveway behind. them." And I was still on speakerphone. Jen is driving. Karen's in the passenger.

seat. And we drove. I said, "Do you. remember like look, did you go through. John's house looking for John? Could he. be passed out somewhere in the house?". And she said, "I don't know. I didn't. look." So, I said, "Let's just go do. that. Let's get in two cars and we're. going to go back to Meadows and we're. going to go look inside of John's house. first. He could be passed out on the. couch or on the floor. Who knows?" So, we went back to his house. Now, as for. Jen McCabe, Carrie says she's only met. Jen once before. So, Jon is their link. Jon knows both of them. And John had.

taken both of them to get Reebok. sneakers. He had like a 50% discount at. Reebok. So, he invited Carrie Roberts. and Jen McCabe to go buy sneakers with. him. And Carrie says, "Um, we got the. shoes and then we went to Hillside for. lunch and that was it. I wasn't friends. with Jen McCabe." Now, that was like 6, seven years ago. Interestingly enough, she does happen to know exactly where. Jen McCabe lives, though, because their. kids would all hang out, or at least. that's what she initially made it seem. like. Later, she clarifies, "I didn't. know where Jen's house was. That's why I. stayed on the phone with Karen." Now,

people are suspicious about it, but. nonetheless, Carrie says, "I pull up in. the driveway behind Karen's car. Karen. and Jen are still in the car talking. I'm on Bluetooth." And Karen said that. she remembered leaving John at the. waterfall at the bar. So, Jen was at the. waterfall, too, and she's like, "No, I. literally saw you pull up to my sister's. house. What are you talking about?". Then, at some point, the conversation. ends, and Karen says something along the. lines of, "What about my tail light? What about my tail light?" Karen says.

she looked out the front of her. windshield and she's parked behind. Karen's car so she can see Karen's tail. light and the right passenger side tail. light looks cracked. It's missing pieces. of the tail light. So she's like that is. weird. That's. >> who said that's weird. I'm sorry. >> Carrie. She's like that's weird. So once. they decide that they're going back to. John's house, Jen McCabe and Karen drive. Karen's car and Carrie Roberts follows. her in her car. Mhm. >> So, we've got two cars leaving Jen.

McCabe's house to John's house. They. pull up in John's driveway where Carrie. says something very strange happens. John is a super neat freak and she says, "You do not wear shoes inside of John. O'Keefe's house ever." Carrie says, "Jened and I both had taken off our. shoes in the garage before we went into. the mudroom. We took our shoes off and. Karen just walked in.". She remembers this because, quote, "Jen. and I were standing there for about a. good 2 minutes trying to get our boots. off and she had already gone in the. house. People interpret this two. separate ways." This is why I'm saying.

this case is so divisive. Everybody has. a different interpretation. So, one, some people think that Karen knows Jon. is not coming back, so she's not. following any of his house rules. anymore. He can't get mad at her anymore. because he's no longer around. Or others. are arguing, "Yeah, because her freaking. boyfriend is missing. What do you mean. she's going to waste her time to take. off her shoes? >> Yeah. >> But Carrie claims it gets weirder. They. get inside the house. Carrie claims she. and Jen are looking everywhere for John. And she says, quote, "I started looking. on the other side of the couches to see. if maybe he had passed out somewhere.

And then I went upstairs and Karen was. standing in John's room. The bed was. made. She was just standing there. indicating that Karen is not looking for. John." This is interpreted in two ways. Some people think, again, this is weird. She knows not to waste her energy. looking for Jon here. She knows that Jon. is dead. Others say, "What do you mean?". She doesn't get why they're searching. that house. She already indicated to the. two women before, Carrie and Jen. Why.

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Now, the three decide finally after. looking for John, they're going to head. out because he's not in the house. And. that's when Carrie states that she sees. Karen's tail light even closer now. because previously she was in her car. looking at Karen's tail light, but now. she's outside the car staring at the. tail light, the rear passenger one, and. it's smashed. and she remembers there's. like this one jagged piece of metal kind. of sticking out. She says, "I remember. looking at it and the piece was sort of. sticking out and I thought someone's.

going to catch their sleeve on it or. something." This is very important later. because John has mysterious claw marks. on his arm that nobody can really. pinpoint where it came from. Some people. think it looks like an animal mark. Some. people are arguing it's the tail light. that scratched him up. M. >> and Carrie's saying, "There was a jagged. piece. I thought someone was going to. catch their coat on it." But the plan. from here is the three of them are now. going to get into Carrie's car and drive. back to 34 Fair View Road where the.

party was last night. Carrie says Jen. and Karen wanted to go back there. So, they get into Carrie Robert's car. It's. Carrie Robert driving, Jen McCabe in the. front seat, and Karen is in the back. And she's losing her mind, which in turn. is making Carrie Roberts lose her mind. She says she's driving through the. middle of this blizzard. It's white out. condition. She can't see anything in. front of her and Karen is freaking out. in the back going from the center. console like in between them screaming. then leaned back to panicking and then. back and forth back and forth. She says.

Karen was frantic. She wouldn't put her. seat belt on. I was getting nervous. because we're driving in a blizzard. She. kept leaning in between the two seats. I. think at some point she was texting in. the back seat and then she'd be leaning. and then she would text it and it was. just frantic the whole morning. Carrie. says Karen was overall very frantic, but. there were a few discernable. conversations. Karen was talking about. Bella's mom. Carrie says, "There was. some conversation about a woman I didn't. know that was Bella's mom, and she said, "Bella's mom never liked me. I think. Bella lived near Jen's sister." So,

Bella's So, Bella's mom allegedly lives. on the same street as Brian and Nicole. Albert, Fairview Road. >> Okay. And Bella is not on the map, right? And this is important later just. because she lives on that road. >> Okay. >> Karen is saying Bella's mom never liked. her. It's weird. Carrie thinks, you. know, but she's just trying to focus on. driving through the little blizzard. Carrie says that she and Jen are looking. out the window looking for anything that. could indicate where Jon is. And she.

says, >> "Jen's giving directions and it was. really bad driving. I was white. knuckling because it was getting. slippery. Karen wouldn't put on her. seatelt. >> And Jen was telling me where her. sister's house was. I said, "I don't. know where Fair View is." And she said, "It's near Spring Lane." And I said, "Oh, where the dance instructor lived?". John had once dated a dance instructor. And then Karen said, "Do you think he. could have gone there? Do you think. that's where he could have been?" Uh, no. I was saying I was just using it as. a reference point. She said it's near.

Spring Lane. And I knew that the dance. instructor lived on Spring Lane. That's. it. So Carrie's trying to what Carrie is. kind of inferring to the jurors that. Karen is a very jealous woman. But what. we're getting from this is that on Fair. View Road, there are two people that are. interesting. Bella's mom, who John. allegedly dated before, and the dance. instructor. >> Oh, Bella's mom also dated John. >> Yes. >> And also a dance instructor. Okay. And.

Carrie is like, "Well, he dated the. dance instructor like 10 years ago." She. thought it was so strange that Karen was. like hung up on this, but she keeps. driving. And she says, "We were looking. for John walking or wherever he may be.". So, I'm driving. I'm looking at both. sides. And I think Jen was looking at. both sides and Karen was she would been. in the back seat and sometimes she was. in between us and then back seat again. I told her to shut up several times cuz. I was trying to drive. I couldn't. concentrate. I told her to sit back and. buckle up cuz it was bad driving. I. didn't want to get into an accident and. her not have a seatelt on. It was like.

you you couldn't control her and I was. trying to drive in a blizzard. >> They start pulling down the hill on Fair. View Road. Carrie says, quote, "Jen. said, "My sister's house is right up. there and all of a sudden Karen said, "There he is. There he is. Let me the. [ __ ] out of this car." And started. kicking the door. She's apparently. kicking the door. I mean, she wanted to. get out of the car, but it was locked. because once you start driving, the back. doors are locked. So, I pulled over. I. looked over and I didn't see anything. I. looked at Jen and I said, "She's crazy.". And then I turned around and watched and.

she ran over to a mound of snow. >> Carrie says the minute Karen gets out of. the car, she's booked it to this mound. of snow. Carrie is just parked in the. middle of the road watching. She says at. some point she realizes that this mound. of snow is in the shape of a body. Carrie says Karen lifts up her shirt, starts laying on John O'Kee for the. body. When you say amount of snow, is he. covered by the snow or is he just kind. of hidden behind the snow? >> Okay, that is also heavily debated in. this case. Carrie is indicating he is.

covered in like 4 to 6 in of snow. Right. >> A lot of people have testified or. testified and put in anecdotal evidence. online that there really wasn't that. much snow that could have piled on top. of John. And even if he had passed away. sooner, a lot of your body retains body. heat. So snow will actually melt quicker. when it touches you. So it won't pile as. quickly on top of your body. And so. they're saying that she runs to this.

mound of snow that they didn't know. because it was just snow. But I will say. that John is a 200lb man. I it just. seems unlikely that he would have been. fully covered in snow. I feel like. something must have been peeking out and. he was wearing darker colored clothing. But you could also argue against Karen. that it's really dark outside and you. can't really see that well. >> So both sides have their arguments. Now. by this point it is near blizzard. conditions. It's cold. It's less than. 32°. There is about um 3.9 in of snow.

that should have accumulated in Boston. But that's again in Boston area that it. it's different depending on where you. are. It's different upon a lot of. things. And John's body would have been. potentially warmer. Yeah, >> Carrie and Jen, they're in the car and. they both state that they have no idea. how Karen saw Jon's body laying in the. snow. No clue. They didn't see anything. until Karen was like, "Let me out." And. she jumped out the car. Now, the lawn of. 34 Fair View is quite spacious, but I.

would hardly call it a mansion or like. an estate. The driveway is a normal. length, meaning the lawn is not that. long. It's not that deep. The edge of. the curb, you know, in the house, it's. not that far of a distance. This is not. like a Jeff Bezos residence. It's a very. nice family home, but the property is a. little wide. And at the edge of the. property line is this flag pole with the. American flag and a fire extinguisher. and like an electrical box. There's no. light illuminating this area. There's no. like street light right above this. section of the lawn. There's no light on.

the flag pole. There's no star and moon. shining to illuminate the whole space. It's just a frame of reference. And that. is where John's body is found. But. what's interesting for later, this is. like later episodes, but if you like. more information, the Albert's bedroom, the primary bedroom, >> Yeah. >> faces that side of the house, >> that side of the front lawn. It's on. >> if they look out the window, they could. see the body. >> Yeah. It's not like their bedroom faces. the front, but on the other side, it's. like, no, it faces the front and it's. the very last bedroom on that side.

>> And when there's all these people. outside, how could they not hear. anything? Right. >> Now, Carrie says she's in the car. She. says, "When I realized it was Jon or. someone, I ran over. I dug Jon's head. out from the snow." Carrie says Jon was. completely covered in snow. She's. digging him out. She didn't even know it. was John until she dug him out. I told. Karen to get off him. We were going to. start CPR. Um, I yelled for Jen to get. the blankets. I don't know what I. thought I was doing with blankets, but I. wrapped them around his head just. thinking we're trying to warm him up. I.

don't He was covered in snow. >> He's wearing thin clothes. He's missing. a shoe. Meanwhile, Karen is laying on. top of John. Carrie screaming at her to. get off of him because I mean they're. just this is very important because. neither of them have any clue what. they're doing. Like clearly Karen is. doing something that Carrie doesn't. agree with. Karen wants to move him to. get a warmer. Carrie doesn't because. she's scared that he has a spinal. injury. Like they're at odds. They don't. really know what to do. She is CPR. certified. Carrie, but it's she's. definitely not a first responder. Carrie.

says he had blood coming out of his nose. and his mouth and his right eye looked. like a golf ball. His left eye was fine, but the right eye looked like a golf. ball. He was bleeding in the back of his. head. So, when I was wrapping I don't. know why I was wrapping the blanket. around the back of his head, I just I. didn't know he had a cut on the back of. his head. Carrie doesn't recall where. the cut was, but she remembers blood on. the blanket that was on the back of his. head. Carrie says, "I was doing CPR and. I said, "Jen, you need to call 911. I. started CPR, chest compressions, and.

then Karen was giving mouth to mouth. Carrie says that she does have previous. training and CPR, and within minutes, maybe like under 10 minutes, the first. officer arrives at the scene along with. the firefighters and the paramedics. Now, Carrie says this is where things. get weird. Karen is like running around. the body while EMTs are trying to work. on him, John. And she's just frantic, just saying things like, "Is he dead? Is. he dead? Is he dead?" Eventually, the. paramedics place Jon on a stretcher, bring him in the ambulance, and Carrie. looks down at where Jon's body was, and.

there's blood. There's droplets of blood. in the snow, as well as his phone. Eventually, John is escorted to the. hospital, and she says at some point, Officer Good, he shows up. >> At some point, he shows up. >> Yes. After John's body is already in the. ambulance, Shawn Good, Officer Good. shows up and he tells Karen to calm down. because she was frantic. And at some. point, Jen and Karen are placed in the. back of a police cruiser to warm up. Carrie says, "I was standing outside the.

car watching the ambulance. I could see. through the ambulance that they're. moving things and working on John's. body." And Carrie turns and tells Karen. because maybe she doesn't want Karen to. freak out and be more frantic. She says, "I said they're working on him. They're. working on him." And at one point, >> she grabbed the front of my shirt and. said, "Are they working on him?" And I. said, "Yes, they're working on him. I. can see tubes moving. I I can see them. moving." He wouldn't if he was dead, they wouldn't be working on him. And. then she said, "Let's hold hands and. pray.". >> Who said that? Car. >> Carrie is saying that Karen is like,

"Let's pray." And then at some point, she's got blood on her hands. Karen has. blood on her hands. And Carrie is saying. Karen told us that it was her period. blood. >> What? >> Carrie's like I think she was just in a. state of shock, maybe. So she's like, Jen McCabe looks at Karen and is like, "No, that's not your blood." So, this is. it. Some people interpret this as. something more sinister, but like Carrie. said, I do think that if Karen did say. that, she's probably in a state of. shock. And even Carrie admits that she.

had Jon's blood in her hands as well. So, it's not like the most weird thing. ever. Eventually, the ambulance drives. off to the hospital with Jon. Jen McCabe. finally goes inside her sister's house. They had been in the front lawn this. entire time. Nobody had come out. She. goes inside. Carrie is in the car with. Karen and Carrie is calling out to. John's parents because she's known him. since they were kids. So, she's the. closest to his parents. She's calling. Mr. and Mrs. O'Keefe telling them that. something happened to John. And at that.

point, Karen, the girlfriend, she starts. calling her potential like. sister-in-law. Okay, to make it a little. more simple, John O'Keefe has a brother. named Paul. >> Paul is married to a woman named Aaron. So, it's actually John O'Keefe's. sister-in-law. >> Yeah. >> Karen is on the phone with Aaron and she. is allegedly, according to Carrie. Roberts, telling John's sister-in-law, that John is dead. But again, nobody. knows that. He's just been rushed to the.

hospital. We don't know that he's dead. He hasn't been pronounced dead. And so. Carrie says, "I grabbed the phone from. her and I said, he's not dead. He's in. the back of an ambulance. He's been in. an accident." And she said that Paul, John's brother, was going to go to the. hospital and they were going to all meet. there. But she says, you know, she keeps. kind of inferring that Karen kept. telling everybody that Jon is dead when. he's not dead. >> Carrie's story is like almost casting. suspicion on Karen on everything Karen. does. >> Her final version of events because her. first few version of events. A lot of.

stuff is not mentioned and I'm going to. go through it, but this is like her. final version of events that she. testifies to in trial 2. >> and she's finally like, "Yeah, this is. what's happened.". >> And everything is like, "That's sus. That's weird. I don't know why Karen did. that, said that, act that way. >> Yeah. Eventually, John is declared dead. at the hospital. And they all start. going through to discuss what happened. the night before at the waterfall. All. of them except for Karen. Karen is not. invited to these conversations. So, a.

few of the partygoers, they all get. together and they start talking about, "Wait, what happened last night? What. happened last night?" A few of the. partygoers remember they did recall. seeing John and Karen walk into the. waterfall bar with a cocktail glass from. another bar. So they're just like she. was very drunk. They were being weird. You know, Karen had showed them. She. thought it was funny that she brought. over a cocktail glass from the other bar. cuz you're not supposed to do that. But. Jen says, you know, there was something. else. Karen had shared a little bit of. frustration because that morning Karen.

is telling Jen that morning Karen and. John had got into a fight. Jen recalls. during the conversation with John, her. last supposed conversation with John. while he's asking for directions to the. house to 34 Fairview. She said something. along the lines of, "Go past Bella's. house, her street. It's at the bottom of. the hill." kind of indicating maybe. inferring maybe he had put it on speaker. phone and she was like go past Bella's. house and Karen just like flipped a.

switch and just blew up because it's on. the same street as this woman you used. to date and maybe she flew into a rage. and that's why they didn't come in for. the party and that is maybe why he's. laying in the cold snow and he was dead. They also share very different stories. about what Karen said to them when she. called them to wake them up from their. sleep. Remember, Carrie said that Karen. was screaming that Jon is dead. Jon is. dead. And that she was hysterical. Which. Jen is like, "Well, no, she told me. something else. She told me that she. left John at the waterfall bar when she.

was on the phone with me." And I told. her, "No, you didn't." Because I saw you. pull up to my sister's house. >> But the alarming part of all these. conversations is, well, the fact that. they're having these conversations cuz. technically they're all witnesses. They. shouldn't be having these conversations. But the more alarming part is as they're. talking throughout the weeks, they start. calling the investigators on this case, adding more to their versions of what. happened that night. >> Now, they're talking to each other. through phone call, text message, meeting up, >> meeting up. But I think it's just.

interesting because it's I understand if. you're calling back the investigators. with these really small random details. where you're like, "Hey, I didn't even. think this was important, but I just. remembered in the car in the back seat I. had a bottle of Gatorade that was left. open." Like it's like maybe it could be. connected, maybe it's not. I don't know. Like those are typically the things that. you would call back with. But Carrie. starts calling back with really. important information. Like she does not. initially tell the investigators that.

when Karen first called her at 5:00 in. the morning, she said, "John is dead. John is dead." Like that's very. important, right? You would think that's. the most important thing. >> She doesn't tell them until later. >> And so Carrie, her explanation for that. is, well, Jen and I were regoing through. everything that happened, and Mrs. O'Keefe, John's mom, had advised us to. make a timeline. She said, "This could. be a while. You guys aren't going to. remember something years from now. So. sit down, write down what you remember. And I at that point, you know, when she.

first called and we were going through. it, Jen was like, "Oh yeah, remember you. said that Karen said that he was dead. I. don't think you've told the. investigators that." So Michael Proctor. calls or either Michael Proctor was. already on the phone with Jen. She. doesn't recall that. I don't even know. And I said, "Oh, could I speak to. Michael Proctor?" So then I told him so. that somebody could document it. This is. just weird. How do you not remember to. tell him that? That's the opening of how. you even get involved. In fact, one of. the interviews that both Jen McCabe and.

Carrie Roberts had was at Jen's house. while they were together. So, the. investigators come to talk to both of. them. Two witnesses that should be. interviewed separately, and they're both. just at Jen's house, quote, making a. timeline. I think I was at Jen's house. We were making a timeline together when. two law enforcement showed up to. question her, but I happened to be. there. So, they took us in separate. rooms and questioned both of us. >> Does that not sound like an overly. complicated way of saying we were. getting our story straight? Because.

that's what a lot of people think. online. Now, all of John's family and. friends believe that Karen Reed did in. fact kill John O'Keefe. John's brother. Paul states that prior to all of this, he actually had a really good. relationship with Karen, which made. everything so much worse. He testifies, "Thought we had a a good relationship. Um, I held her in very high regard. Um, I thought she was a good influence on my. niece and nephew. >> Now, this is very important and we're. going to go over it in the next part, but John and Paulo Keith had another.

sibling. >> Mhm. >> She passed away and then her husband. passed away and so they she left behind. a daughter and a son. >> Mhm. What do you know what happened? Was. it. >> um she had cancer and then a few months. later her husband died of a heart. attack. >> Wow. And it was a very like it was just. a family tragedy. And now there is a. niece and a nephew who need parents. But. Paul O'Keefe and Aaron O'Keeffe, the. brother-in-law and brother and. sister-in-law, they already had kids. So.

it was a lot to take on. So John. O'Keefe, single man, no kids, decides. he's going to step up to the plate. He's. going to take in his niece and nephew. and he's going to raise them by himself. >> Really? So they live together? >> Yeah. And that's why he's so close with. Jen because uh his niece and Jen's. daughter are close friends. >> Okay. >> And then Carrie Roberts was already. close friends with John O'Keeffe, but. her son and his nephew that he took in. are close. >> Ah, so they start John and Jennifer,

they're super close in. >> through the kids. >> Through the kids. So they're all like. the parenting group. >> Yeah. So they like will do pickups, drop. offs, they'll do the games together. So. that's how they maintain close. But. because she's close with the nephew, she's close with the niece, they don't. really overlap as often. >> Ah, okay. >> Oh, and Karen helps take care of the. kids. >> M. >> So, she works from home. >> Yeah. >> So, she'll go to John's house and just. watch the kids while he's at work. >> What does she do? >> She works in finance. She's an asset.

manager and she also is an adjunct. professor at So, she teaches university. kids at night, I believe, online. classes. >> Okay. So she'll go to his house and just. watch the kids make them food. >> How old are the kids? Estimate like uh. >> 16 and 13 I believe when it happened. >> Now most people who are very close with. John say they felt very disappointed. because it was very clear to them that. Karen had hit John O'Keefe with her car. and they felt like she had flown into a. drunken rage. Why do they think that?

Well, after Jon is left dead, Karen. drives off and before his body is found. So, in the span of 3 to 5 hours, Karen. calls Jon 52 times, and she leaves him. eight voicemails. First one is at 12:37 p.m., presumably. when she drives off without John in the. car. And she is screaming in the. voicemail, "John, I [ __ ] hate you. I hate you." 12:42 a.m., she sends. another one, but it's just background.

noise, so it might have been a true butt. dial. Then 10:02 a.m., a voicemail with. more background noise. than 1:11 a.m. Yeah. It's 1:00 in the morning. I'm with. youring niece. So, she had gone back to. John's house because the niece is alone. The nephew is at a sleepover. >> John's niece is alone in the house. >> Yep. >> She says, "Yeah, it's 1:00 in the. morning. I'm with your [ __ ] niece and. nephew." The nephew's not in the house. You [ __ ] pervert. You're a [ __ ]. pervert. >> Yeah, it's 1:00 in the morning. I'm with. your niece and nephew. You pervert.

Then at 1:18 a.m. she leaves another. voicemail. John, I'm going home. I. cannot babysit your niece. I need to go. home. You areing using me right now. You. are [ __ ] another girl while you're. sleeping next to me. You're a [ __ ]. loser. yourself. >> You You are using me right now. You're. another girl. Kim sleeping next to me. You're loser yourself. >> John's family, friends, every other. partygoer. They believe and the.

Commonwealth of Massachusetts, they. believe that Karen was pissed that night. when she dropped Jon off at that. residence and because she was enraged, she backed into him full speed in a. giant 6,000lb SUV, drove off angry, leaving him these voicemails. They. believe that is the motive for the. murder. To which netizens are divided. Some say, "Yeah, that is the motive for. the murder." Others say it doesn't. really make sense. The last thing. someone is going to do is knowingly hit. someone and then call them to leave.

angry voicemails to point themselves as. an angry suspect who might have hit. someone. >> Another person agrees, saying, "If it. had been a fake voicemail, it would. sound like, "Hi, it's me. It's 1:00 a.m. wondering where you are. I'm so worried. Love you. Call me.". >> Yeah. >> Not who are youing right now, you. pervert. >> Yeah. >> That's what netizens were saying. >> That almost definitely removes the the. planning part. >> Yeah. It just doesn't make sense that. she would leave those voicemails. afterwards. And there are lots of. theories of why she left those. voicemails. I mean, surface theory is.

that she was mad because this is the. same street that some of these women. live on. But there's actually a weirder. theory that we're going to go in part. two. Now, Karen's version of that night, she is adamant. She says, quote, "I did. not kill John O'Keefe. I've never harmed. a hair on John O'Keefe's head." She. says, "The narrative became that I. became enraged and decided to nail him. in the snow." She says it's basically. ridiculous. Karen says, "We get to the. house. It didn't look like it was. busting at the seams with people." So, she's saying after Waterfall Bar, they. get to 34 Fair View. They've never been.

to this house. John's never been to this. house. And it looks like it's dead. inside. So, she's like, "Um, hello. Is. this the right house? And are we. welcome? Like, are you sure we were. invited at the bar?" Because maybe. Karen's like, "These two people didn't. invite us. >> So, are you sure we're welcome here? Like, I don't want to walk into and like. my stomach hurts. I don't want to I. don't really want to go. >> And so she says, "I'm still on the. street." She's parked on the street. She's like, "John, can you just run in. there and like can you just make sure. we're welcome and make sure it's the.

right house and like this is somewhere. we want to be." He said, "Yeah, I'll be. right back." He got out of the car. I. see him go to the door and start to. cross the threshold. And I looked at my. phone and in a matter of seconds I look. up and he's not there anymore. So she's. indicating he went into the house. And. then I wait for him to reemerge, which I. assumed was going to be in moments or. that he'd yell from me from the front. door like, "It's good. Come on in." But. he didn't come back. And it started to. piss me off because one, I really didn't. want to be there. And two, I had to go. to the bathroom. So she has medical.

conditions that require her to use the. restroom at certain times. She's like, "So I leave." She says she's slow. rolling it. He's still not coming out. And yeah, she leaves those voicemails in. a fit of rage because it's like. >> the way she's explaining it is she felt. used like he called her to the first bar. kind of should be like a DD like. designated driver. >> maybe help take care of the kid. Like. she said it it was just annoying. They. had fought that morning and the reason. that they fought people make it seem. very ominous and suspicious. It's. because Karen had taken her niece to.

Dunkin Donuts for breakfast and John was. very upset that she gets to be the good. parent and he always has to be the bad. parent. He's like the disciplinarian but. it's not even her kids. So I think that. she felt very unfair by this whole fight. and then now she's called out to the. bar. She's just like driving him from. bar to bar and now to this house and. he's not even courteous enough to like. come out immediately and let her know. that hey you can come in like we're. going to stay. Or maybe she's upset that. he didn't ask her. I don't know. Okay.

But she's just upset and she leaves. these very angry voicemails. And she. says she goes to John's house cuz the. niece can't be there alone. And she's. getting more mad because now she's like. a babysitter. And maybe she did think. that he's going to Bella's mom's house. >> And so she's mad. She's leaving these. voicemails. She falls asleep on the. couch waiting for him to come home. And. presumably, I imagine if he walked. through that front door, she would have. like exploded and had another fight. I'm. not going to say that their relationship. was not toxic. It seemed toxic, but at. no point did anyone report any violence.

or anything that was abnormally toxic. I. don't even know if toxic is the right. word. I think they had their sensitive. spots for fights. >> Mhm. >> Some people think that Karen is just a. crazy girlfriend, but she's not a. killer. So, people have varying degrees. of how they feel about Karen. She says. she falls asleep, wakes up, he's not. home, and she starts quote, "I was. worried that he might have gotten hit by. a plow. That was my first thought. It's. the only explanation I could think of. for why Jon just disappeared into thin. air. And she says that she remembers. dropping John off at the house, but if.

Jennifer McCabe is telling her that he. never went in the house, then he's got. to be somewhere else. She says, >> "Wait, so she called at 11:18, right? Left that angry voicemail." And then she. went to sleep. >> She like fell asleep somewhere around. that time. >> Okay. And then she continues calling. after she wakes up. You say she called. him 54 times. >> Yeah. So she calls him, leaves these. voicemails, calls, calls, calls, falls. asleep, wakes up. He's nowhere to be. found. So, she's blowing up his phone. >> again. >> Yeah. And now these voicemails are. there's not many voicemails. I think. there's one where she's like John. But.

these it sounds like she's genuinely. searching for him. >> Karen is freaking out. She's thinking. snowplow. The next thought she's. thinking maybe he tried to walk back to. the bars because he was so drunk and try. to meet up with new friends. I don't. know. And so then she's like, "No, that. doesn't make sense." And then she's. like, "Well, I saw him go near the front. door. Maybe I dropped him off at the. wrong house and the homeowners thought. it was like an intruder or something. happened and she just starts freaking. out. Eventually, she calls Jen to get it.

together. She calls Carrie and they're. going to go on this search. They search. John's house. They drive the streets. near the bars. Then they go back to 34. Fair View where Karen allegedly. suspiciously, according to Carrie and. Jen, find Jon's body where no one else. can see him in the snow. Which I will. say, I don't know if her being able to. spot Jon's body on the lawn is the. strangest thing to me because. personally, I feel like when I am. adamant on looking for something, I'm a. little more keen to that than maybe.

other people are. I don't know because I. think it's very subjective. Like some. people just cannot find Where's Waldo? Like some people cannot find even a jar. of pickles in the fridge, right? It's. kind of subjective and we don't really. have the exact evidence to say, "Oh, he. was completely covered in snow in pitch. black darkness." And if you're looking. out the window and you know this is the. last place you saw him, you might be. more attentive to details. I don't know. >> Yeah. >> It's hard. And. >> you know, snow is a lot brighter than.

you think, though. >> Yeah. Cuz the light radiates off. Yeah. That's why when you go snowboarding, you. got to wear those really thick. sunglasses. So perhaps there's some. street light or even the car light and. he's wearing darker clothing. It could. have been that. But she finds him in the. snow. She says, quote, "My eyes are. peeled." And I said, "He's right [ __ ]. there. I jumped out the passenger side. and I fell into the street. I've. described to many people it looked like. a buffalo on a prairie. It just looked. like a heap and it looked wrong. It. looked out of place." So she's trying.

she's saying like it didn't look like, "Hey, there's John in the snow." It just. looked like something is there that is. not supposed to be there. >> And she's like, "That's got to be John.". >> Yeah. Like that's like she might have. thought that he stumbled over drunk. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And she's like, "I got to go." It looked. out of place. In another interview, she. said, "We turned the corner. I saw his. body immediately because it was just a. heap. I couldn't see his face or his. hair, but I just knew because he's a big. guy. His eyes were shut." So, this is. after she gets to his body. His eyes.

were shut. He had spots of blood in. different areas on his face, but he was. still, but he was not stiff. He was. still. It was cold. I felt cold, but it. didn't feel dangerously cold. And it was. just an odd feeling. So, she starts. trying to warm him up. Karen is asked in. a dine interview. Was he alive? He. seemed like he could be. I'm only out. there for a minute or two, and then. Carrie runs over, and then Carrie and I. take turns between mouth-to-mouth. resuscitation and chest compressions. Karen says she left those voicemails.

because she knew that Jon had dated. another woman that lived a few houses. down, so maybe he was going to go meet. with her or something. And she says, "I. thought he's got to be screwing around. I didn't know that he was physically. incapacitated.". Karen has asked, "Is it possible that. you might have hit him unwittingly in. your admittedly very large SUV?" She. drives an Lexus SUV. It's huge. No, not. possible. Did I hit him? >> How could that have been? I mean, you. drop him off with else could have been.

>> It's very interesting because even that. dine interview will be used against her. in her second trial. This is a very. interesting uh trial, the second one of. Karen Reed where they use a lot of her. media interviews as evidence against. her. >> Was the interview taken after the first. trial or before first trial? >> There's a lot that's taken after the. first trial. Now, trial one starts and. Karen's Reed case is one of the more. divisive ones in the entire state. People are coming into the trial with. their minds made up already. Some people.

are firmly on the prosecution side, including every other person at the. Fairview residence the night of John's. death. John's family and friends, they. all believe Karen is a killer without a. shadow of doubt. Others firmly believe. that Karen is innocent and nothing about. this case makes sense because Karen has. been framed. Which why and how can the. Commonwealth look at all the suspicious. people involved, the everchanging. stories, the weird butt dials, the. Google searches, and only think that. Karen Reed is guilty. Who are they.

protecting? That's what the netizens. want to know. And the trickier thing. about this trial is that this courtroom. itself is extremely claustrophobic. This. looks nothing like a regular courtroom. Most courtrooms have the way I've. described it for even like the federal. courthouse. You've got the front where. you've got the judge, the attorneys, the. defendant. You've got the jurors that. are all gathered and then the witness. stand is there. And then you have. everybody in the back just facing their. backs. You know, you've got the family. and friends pews, the public and press. pews. But this courtroom is kind of like. an amphitheater setup, but on a tiny.

scale. You've got all the attorneys in. the center and then everyone is sitting. on the sides around them, facing them. So to give you an idea, it's like a you. know those gladiator fights where. everyone sits around the center stage. It's kind of like that but even smaller. So everyone's within arms reach. The. jury, the gallery, it's like a fishbowl. For example, Jonno Keith's family are. staring directly at Karen Reed's side. profile the entire trial. >> Like. >> they're like two people away. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. It's just like a strange wedding.

dinner party arrangement. It looks very. uncomfortable. And the seating is so. tight that two of the jurors can't even. see the witness's faces when they're. testifying, but they can see Karen. Reed's face. And everyone's got lots of. opinions about it. Some say she looks. way too smug. I mean, that she must have. killed her boyfriend. Others are saying. she never looks sad that her boyfriend. is dead. Or people are commenting that. she's wearing too sharp of suits, that. all she cares about is how she's. perceived on television because it's. being live streamed. Some people are commenting only Karen.

Reed. I mean, she looks great in her. suits, but only she could have done. this. She's guilty. >> Is this like the first trial sentiment? >> Yeah. Initially, members of John's. family thought if she did this, she's. going to be held responsible for it. And. at that point, we didn't think that it. was necessarily on purpose. We just know. that something happened. She hit him and. she left. But it would get really crazy. The judge presiding over this case, which you guys know for the Sean Combmes. trial, it was Judge Arun Supermanium, which we called affectionately father.

Aroon because he was very nice and fair. to both sides. He was just a very fair. judge. Uh he was like a dad presence in. the courtroom. This judge, Judge Beverly, everyone calls her Auntie. Bev. It's not an endearing nickname. That's just kind of the nickname that's. been assigned her, not by us, but by. netizens. And we will get into that in. the next few parts. >> Wow. >> Auntie Bev is. >> so nizens do not like her. >> If you don't like Karen Reed, you like.

Auntie Bev. >> Oh, okay. >> I would say that 90% of people don't. like Auntie Bev. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And both trial. >> Auntie Bev. >> Wow. Okay. >> A lot of the defense did not want Auntie. Bev to be the judge for this case, but. she did not care. She said, "I'm staying. no matter what." Adam Lai is the lead. prosecutor for the first trial. They'll. bring in another prosecutor for the. second trial and they'll pay him a lot. more money. So the first trial it's Adam. Lai. The second trial they bring in a.

new guy, Hank, and they pay Hank half a. million dollars. >> Dang. >> The government I guess the taxpayers. >> But Adam didn't get half a million. dollars. >> No, Adam gets paid like maybe 90 to. $100,000 a year. He's a special. prosecutor. Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> So, Adam Lai is the lead prosecutor in. this case, and his opening statements, I. can see I can see why maybe they brought. in a special prosecutor for this. This. opening statement has largely been. regarded online as one of the worst.

opening statements in the history of. justice, which I use the word justice. with a giant question mark in regards to. this case, but I digress. Obviously, it. cannot be the worst opening statement in. history, but it's very bad. They were. given an allotted 45minute opening. statement, which is very difficult. Okay. Very difficult. The opening. statements for the Diddy trial were. hours each. They get 45 minutes. That's. a lot of information that they have to. put in to 45 minutes. This man, he lists. 74 separate names. These are not names.

he says repeatedly, but 74 separate. people are listed. Even for this. episode, guys, I have tried so very hard. to keep down the list of names until. you're very familiar with these group of. people so that not to overconfuse you. The total name count is going to be a. lot more because he's repeatedly said. Karen's name. I don't know how many. times, but 74 separate names are. mentioned. Introducing 74 separate. people in a 45minute opening statement. sounded more like a graduation ceremony. list of reading off people's names one.

by one. He's not telling the jurors, everyone that was in the house the night. in question. He's telling everyone, every single law enforcement officer. involved, who's doing the paperwork, the. bartenders at the bar. It's like a town. census. There's no narrative element to. even tell me what happened. If the. jurors were picked correctly, they. should have no clue what's going on in. this case. This opening statement would. have only made them more confused. We. extensively researched this case, and. his opening statement still to this day. confuses me. It makes me feel like I.

don't know anything about this case. He. starts John O'Keefe grew up in Brainree. He was 46 years old when he passed. He. was the son of John O'Keefe Jr. and. Margaret or Peggy O'Keefe. He was a. brother to Paulo O'Keefe and his sister. Kristen Furbrush. >> You'll hear the testimony from these. firefighters, Timothy Nuttle, Anthony. Flamati, uh Matthew Kelly, Francis. Walsh, uh Gay McLolin, and Greg Wood. You'll hear from Rebecca Trers, who was. working as a bartender. You'll hear from. a couple named Nicholas and Karina, by a.

friend of Mr. O'Kis named Laura. Sullivan, as well as from her sister, Miss Mary Edison, as well as two. firefighters named Daniel Whitley and. Jason Beck. >> Damn. Okay. >> I will say the emotional part was the. fact that John's niece was 14 when he. passed away and his nephew was 11. And. this would be the third guardian that. they lose in the span of a few years. because their mother passed, their. father passed and then John took them in. and then John passed. >> Yeah. Yeah. And where where are they. now? They.

>> I believe Apollo Keefe has taken them in. >> the dad. >> No, the brother. >> The other brother. >> Okay. >> Lai is talking and you do see John's mom. in the back sobbing and it it is pretty. depressing because like I said her. daughter passed away, then her. son-in-law and now her son and she's got. these two grandkids and I doubt that she. even has time to really focus on her. emotions. So, that part is a lot, but. everything else, this opening statement, I just need you to know it was very bad. One of the top comments on the live.

stream is just, "He sounds like he's. very bored to be here. He's got like 50. pages left. How is this all in two. pages?" Someone says, "If I ever get. prosecuted for a crime, I sure hope this. is my prosecutor." Others are not even. focused on Ali. They say John's parents. were sitting right there and Karen looks. cool as a cucumber. And everyone is just. holding their breath for the defense. team's opening statements. And Karen. Reed has a very interesting defense. team. First, she has David Yianetti, the. attorney that we've been talking about, a local attorney. Yanetti was chosen.

because Karen's dad is a devout. Catholic. He likes to go based off of. his gut. And he said that he Googled. criminal defense attorneys in the area, saw pictures, and said, "This one looks. like an honest man." That's how he gets. chosen to like one of the biggest trials. in the nation in the past year. That's. how he gets hired. And then the two of. them are just in over their heads. Before the trial even starts, there's so. many roadblocks trying to get the basic. evidence from the Commonwealth. They.

just want geoence data that would. identify every cell phone at the Albert. residence the night of Jon's death. Things that they have every right to. during discovery, and they're not. getting it. So Karen has no other. choice. She starts reaching out to other. attorneys to add to the team. She. reaches out to an attorney from Los. Angeles. She's actually recommended to. reach out to Alan Jackson primarily. because she's trying to get cell phone. data. Alan Jackson smartly used cell. phone data to get a groping case dropped.

against Kevin Spacy, which Yeah. Yeah. >> He was also co-consul for Harvey. Weinstein. So, there is that. I feel. like there is not a person that this man. has not represented, including a Saudi. prince, an NBA player, a Venice Beach. Hotel owner that was falsely accused of. murder. Now, prior to being a criminal. defense attorney, he was also the deputy. DA for LA County. >> Wow. So, he's kind of a kind of a big. shot. >> Yeah. Major prosecutor. His peers have.

said that at one point during his time. at the LA County DA's office, he was one. of the most wellrespected prosecutors in. the entire nation. not even just well. respected. He had a 97% conviction rate. over 85 jury trials. And he's not a fed. Like that's LA County, >> right? And it established him as one of. the most successful prosecutors in the. nation. He was assistant head of the. major crimes division in Los Angeles. He's used to highprofile cases. He gets. hundreds of requests monthly for. representation, which if it's a numbers.

game, he's turning down most of the. requests that he's getting every single. month. So, how does he decide which. cases to take on? >> I'm so sorry. Is this is still first. trial, right? Okay. >> These three, Elizabeth Little works with. Alan Jackson, so she's going to take the. case with him. These three are present. for the first and second trial. And I'm. going to mix like first and second trial. together here and there because a lot of. the same people testify. >> Yeah. >> So, it's not as pertinent. I mean, we're. going to see the first trial and the. second trial through and you'll know. exactly what happened, but a lot of the.

statements are going to be combined and. stuff. >> Yeah. I'm just getting you familiar with. the attorneys. Now, these three are. there for all three trials. He gets an. email one day in Los Angeles, and that. email subject line just reads, "Murder. of a Boston cop." He clicks it. It's. from a woman named Karen. Little. snippets read, "I am fighting for my. life." At this point, this is when he. finds out. I mean, at this point, everyone already knew, but John O'Keefee. is a Boston police officer. >> Mhm. Now he finds out Karen is accused.

of murdering her boyfriend who happens. to be a Boston cop. Karen's telling him, "I'm fighting for my life against a blue. wall and therefore I'm marshalling. whatever resources and advices that I. can find." She includes autopsy photos. of John O'Keefe inside the email. And. when Alan Jackson clicks on them, he. says, "It just didn't smell right. I. knew pretty quickly some other forces. are at play here." to the point the. finger at her and it's because those. forces want to point the finger away.

from somebody else. He's saying none of. those autopsy photos look like someone. who has been hit by a car. The fact that. anyone, especially a prosecutor, would. even suggest that it was done damage. from being hit by a car is fishy. Alan. Jackson looks into the case and. ultimately he decides John O'Keefe was. murdered. No question. He died at the. hands of another person that was not. Karen Reed. He says there are people in. that house that are actually responsible. for his death and who murdered him. And. that is how he decides to take on the. case. He's going to travel from Los.

Angeles to Boston and he's going to. fight for Karen Reed. Just to give you. an idea, Alan Jackson is an incredibly. strong character. I would say that he. has the assertiveness of I don't really. know who to maybe like assertiveness of. Brian Steel, but maybe without the. southern charm and like lay on the. sweetness. He's very charismatic, but he. is an aggressive attorney. like he goes. after what he wants. >> I have two words. Do it. Do it. I'd love that. I'd love a shot of. that. >> Okay. So, we I said, "Let's keep not.

keep, you know, take personal.". >> That's not an effective. That's not a. personal shot, Mr. Brennan. I'm just. saying do it. >> He's not trying to play nice all the. time, which is why when he comes to. Boston to take on this case, a lot of. people feel like he's going to step on a. lot of toes. He's this big hot shot. attorney from Los Angeles representing. Karen Reed before the first trial. most. people did not like Karen Reed. It's not. going to go well. And he's known to go. into every case guns ablazing. And so. he's asked about it and he says, I mean, I don't know how to tread lightly. I.

tread towards the truth. Period. And if. that ruffles feathers, so be it. If that. pisses people off, get over it. >> Okay. >> So, very different from the prosecutor's. opening statement, the defense, they. actually get David Yianetti up on the. podium, which is pretty calculated. They're not going to let the fancy big. shot LA attorney do it. They're going to. let the local handle this case. And his. voice is loud, concise, and clear. And. the first words out of David Yianetti's. mouths are Karen Reed was framed. Her.

car never struck John O'Keefe. She did. not cause his death. And that means that somebody else did. Commonwolf will instead try to persuade. you that Karen Reed supposedly had a. motive to kill John O'Keefe because they. were not getting along. You will. conclude the notion that Karen Reed. chose the start of a snowstorm to. suddenly become violent out of the blue. for the first time and intentionally. kill her boyfriend by hitting him with. her car and leaving him there with a. houseful of people inside is patently.

ridiculous. You will also learn that. what's not ridiculous is that someone, not Karen Reed, ambushed John. Somebody. probably didn't mean to kill him, but. somebody went too far. Nothing can. really beat the defense team's. confidence in the opening statements. To. say that your client was framed is a. very bold statement to say in front of. jurors. If you're going to say that, they're expecting you to back it up with. a lot of evidence, with a lot of facts.

And so for them to say that, it must. mean something. Alan Jackson later says, "I've never been more confident in. anything I've ever said in a legal. proceeding in my life. Karen Reed did. not do this. There was no collision. She's the victim of a botched and biased. and corrupt investigation that was never. about the truth. Some netizens don't. agree. They write, "Karen admitted to. hitting him and then changed her story. after obtaining big shot attorneys.". Others say, "While the prosecution was. boring, he was full of facts. This guy, he's more interesting, but it's all.

emotion, no facts." Others point out how. Karen looks so smug, and it's so clear. that she's excited to get away with. this. But others disagree. They say it's. natural for Karen to come across mad and. bitter. I mean, she was set up. Do you. want her to be remorseful as she's being. framed? Like, let's make it make sense. But the biggest problem is there are. testimonies that Karen says at the scene. of the crime, I hit him. I hit him. I. hit him. So, how do you go from I. confessed to never mind, I was framed?

One of the firefighters at the scene, Timothy Nettle. So, Timothy, he's not on. the board, but he's important. He's a. paramedic. He gets called out to John's. body. He says Karen was the most frantic. of the entire group, just running back. and forth, trying to press on Jon's. chest, trying to wake him up, trying to. talk to him to no avail. And he says, Timothy says, as he's trying to get. information out of Karen, like, "Do you. have any information on who this is? How. did they get here? Do they have any. medication allergies?" He says he gets. no information out of her except quote,

"I hit him. I hit him. I hit him.". How clearly do you remember her words. saying to you, "I hit him. I hit him. I. hit him.". >> I I remember it very distinctly. >> Timothy says he's trying to understand. more of that. And he testifies that he's. asking Karen all these follow-up. questions like, "What do you mean you. hit him? Like, did you hit him with your. hand? Did you kick him? What happened? What do you mean you hit him? Did you. just confess to murder? What do you. mean?" She just keeps repeating, "I hit.

him. I hit him. I hit him." Timothy says. he recalls those words coming out of. Karen's mouth so distinctly. Another. lead firefighter says he recalls Karen. saying the same thing, but he's the lead. paramedic on site, so he's got to work. on Jon. So, he tasks another person on. his team on trying to get as much. information out of Karen as possible. Katie McLaclin, a firefighter. >> Mhm. >> She needs to get information from Karen. Reed. Basic information. Who is this. man? What is his date of birth? What's. his name? How did he get here in the.

snow? Does he have medical problems? She. needs to ask these and get the answers. Katie says, "At first, Karen is. responding. She's cooperating. She's. very distraught, but she's cooperating.". She says, "Quote, she was kind of moving. around the scene a little bit, so I was. just kind of following her, and then we. came to a stop at one point, and I. continued to ask, or I asked one more. question." Katie says, "The last. question she asks Karen is, "Has there. been any significant trauma that. happened before this?" Katie testified. that Karen says, "I hit him." Quote, "She repeated it. There was another.

woman standing across from her, Jen, >> who I believe at that point said, "You're hysterical. You need to calm. down. You're hysterical." But Karen. continued to say, "I hit him." And there. was a police officer who was also in the. vicinity with us. And he responded, "You. what?" She replied it one more time, "I. hit him." And that officer signal to. somebody like, "We got to get the. sergeant out here." Which would be. Sergeant Sean Good. Now, by this point, it's a cut and dry case. She drove. probably when she shouldn't have. She.

was drunk. He's found dead in the snow. The last place that they both were. And. now she's saying she hit him. >> So you're saying three people at the. scene. One paramedic, one firefighter, and then another what surger. >> firefighter paramedic. So they're all. firefighter paramedics. >> So far, three firefighter paramedics are. saying that she said, quote, "I hit him. I hit him. I hit him.". >> Okay. >> Even during Jen McCabe's testimony, she. said that she did indeed hear Karen say. that. She declared it not once but three. times. I hit him. I hit him. I hit him.

How is that not a confession? Additionally, Carrie remembers Karen. pointing out her broken tail light in. the driveway. Remember when they got to. John's house? >> Mhm. >> She said Karen did point it out at one. point in the driveway. >> Karen pointed out and said, "Look, my. tail light." And I said, she said, "Do. you think I hit him?" And I said, "No, I. don't think you hit him." What are you. talking about? Let's just go find him. Um, but the tail light itself, the piece. was missing. And as you got closer, there's a metal sort of square and one. of the pieces was sort of sticking out.

>> Even later, when they find John's body, Carrie says Karen was frantic, running. around saying, "Did I hit him? Did I hit. him? Is he dead? Is he dead?" Carrie. says she's screaming this more than. once. Katie Mclacklin is saying it was. not a question. It was, "I hit him. I. hit him. I hit him." But like, everything is weird. I mean, this is. weird, too. First of all, if that's what. was said, why is it not in a single. incident report? >> Nobody included it in the incident. reports. The firefighters that testified.

that, well, they say, "Well, we're we're. writing the patient care reports, that's. why it's not on there." Another. firefight, Timothy, he says, "The fact. that Karen said she hit him doesn't. really contribute to providing. life-saving care, and they're just. paramedics." He says, "It didn't really. help at the time. Again, we weren't. really I wasn't able to chase anything. down from that. and I just kind of took. it, noted it, and moved on with my. aspect of the life-saving measures. But. the defense is stuck on that because. they're saying, "What do you mean it. doesn't matter?" The don't you want to. know the cause of someone's injuries. when you're trying to save their lives?

Isn't that very pertinent information? And these firefighters, Katie McLaclin. is the one that dropped John O'Keefe off. at the hospital, never mentioned to a. nurse, to a doctor that he might have. been hit. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm wondering like what's. the regular practice for anybody in the. comments who's in this line of work when. someone's in that kind of condition. Are. you supposed to at least say something. or is this normal? If you've shopped online, chances are. that you've bought from a business.

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of people, a lot of nizens are like, fine, maybe the paramedics have a point. However, Katie McLaclin testified that. one officer overheard and said, "You. what?". >> Mhm. >> Officers should be putting that in their. reports. >> Yeah, >> absolutely. But it's not. >> In fact, >> Shan Good. >> Sean Good was not there at that time. He. was called later, but it's a different. officer named Officer Sarif. And he says. that he did not hear that. >> He did not hear, "I hit him. I hit him. I hit him." He says, "I didn't hear. I. hit him. I hit him." She was just very. visibly upset. And she said, "This is.

all my fault. This is all my fault.". fault and she was hysterical asking is. he dead? Which a lot of people are. saying, well that makes more sense in. the sense of she left him when she. shouldn't have. Maybe she felt like this. was her fault. She's putting the guilt. on her. It's very different from I hit. him with my 6,000lb SUV. >> Yeah. >> It's like a very different. interpretation. And when all of these. people are asked, "If you heard this, why didn't you put it in your incident. report?" It's always some variation of I. didn't think it was that important or I. mean she I heard her saying it to.

somebody else or I wasn't in charge of. the incident report or a very popular. answer during this trial. I don't. recall. >> H. >> so it's not in the incident report and. it's also not in the dash cam footage. There's dash cam footage of a police. cruiser that shows up and I will say. it's very windy. Karen is screaming. She's running back and forth, but you. don't hear her ever screaming, "I hit. him. I hit him. I hit him. But the part. that nizens can't get over is fine. It's. not in your incident report. Maybe you.

felt like you should leave it out. Fine. It's not in the dash cam footage. It was. very windy. But you're telling me that. all the officers at the scene, the. firefighter, the paramedics, they hear. her say, "I hit him. I hit him." Her. boyfriend is now laying likely deceased. on the ground. And it's not strange to. you at all that they wouldn't arrest her. on the spot. >> Mhm. that they wouldn't take her into. custody on the spot or at least. interview her extensively on the spot, take her to the police station on the. spot. So, the question is, if that's.

true, why would all these unrelated. officers lie about something like this? Are they just incompetent, not writing. it down, and now they're trying to get. the job done? Like, what's the problem? Well, maybe they're not all unrelated. One very strange detail about this case. is John O'Keefe, a Boston police. officer, is found on the front lawn of. someone's residential home. That home is. never searched. The homeowners are never. formally questioned. It's like they're. not even people of interest. Even though. a lot of people believe that Jon's.

injuries look more consistent with a. fight rather than a car accident, nobody. questions them or searches their house. Does that seem like normal protocol? >> Yeah. And that allegedly is his last. time was. >> alive. >> And that's still their property. >> It's their property. It's their. property. Have you ever seen someone. found deceased on a property and that. property is not searched extensively? It. doesn't make sense. Why? During. cross-examination, Katie McLaclin, the. firefighter that said that she.

distinctly heard Karen say, "I hit him. I hit him." Is asked by the defense. attorney, "Who's Caitlyn Albert? homeowner's daughter. >> I went to high school with somebody. named Caitlyn Albert. >> So, do you know Caitlyn Albert? I do. You're friends with Caitlyn Albert? I. would say more acquaintances, not close. friends. I would say that we have mutual. friends. So, we might see each other. occasionally because of mutual friends, but we don't have, you know, one-on-one. friendship or hang out regularly.

>> Who's your dad? >> I don't know. I can tell you Caitlyn's Albert's dad is. Brian Albert, the homeowner. >> Mhm. >> How many years, you know, how long of a. span have you known Caitlyn Albert? Since high school, so maybe 10. And you. know her family generally? I don't. You. don't know anything about her family? I. don't know her family. And netzens just. feel like it's incredibly hard to. believe considering there were only 214. students in her graduating class. So,

she's saying, "I went to high school. with someone named Caitlyn Albert." But. also, your class only has 200 people in. the grade. >> That's a weird thing to say. If you're. asking me someone I know that I went to, I I would just say, "Oh, I went to high. school with them.". >> Yeah. >> I wouldn't say I went to high school. with someone named Mhm. >> Did you ever been to her house? >> Not that I recall ever being there. >> Not that you recall or you haven't. Those are two different things. >> I don't recall ever being there. >> Okay. So, you might have been there. You. just don't recall. >> I don't recall ever being there. A lot. of people don't like the evasiveness. If.

you haven't been there, just say I. haven't been there. >> Or just say, "I might have been there. maybe once, like 10 years ago.". >> Yeah. >> Okay. If I were to ask you if you've. ever been to her house, yes or no, you. cannot answer that because you don't. recall. You cannot recall. Correct. I. would say I mean I lean towards no. I. have no recollection of ever being at. her house. The defense shows a picture. of Caitlyn Albert and Katie McLaclin on. the beach. They've gone on trips. together with big friend groups. >> When was it though? >> She makes it seem like she hasn't seen.

her since high school. But um there are. pictures just months before the incident. of John's death where they were at a. baby shower together. >> where there's pictures of them. >> and there's just copious pictures of. them socializing together. And she. states, "Well, that's because her friend. group is friends with some of my friends. of my friend group, but we're never. really like friends. We never really. hang out. But it's just it the way I think it's. it's less about the photos. It's less.

about like the photographic evidence. It's more so she's being so evasive. >> It's almost like she wanted to say that. Karen is guilty and that family has. nothing to do with it. Don't even. mention their name cuz I don't know. them. >> Yeah. So it's that's why people are. saying it's weird. She's like the main. one testifying that Karen said, "I hit. him. I hit him. might hit him at the. scene. And turns out she's acquainted at. the very least with Caitlyn Albert. >> And now this is the part that's going to.

get confusing. I'm going to go over it. now, but I will revisit it every time. because it becomes very important. So. don't get stressed if you don't recall. everything. But we have the Alberts. Now. I've never been to Canton, but I feel. like after this case, if the population. of Canton, Massachusetts is 100 people, half of them are Alberts or related to. the Alberts. So, let's start with the. Albert original siblings, the main. siblings. Brian Albert is the eldest of. seven. Only like four of the siblings. matter. Brian is the top dog. He's.

married to Nicole Albert, who happens to. be Jen McCabe's sister. >> Mhm. >> Now, Brian and Nicole, they have kids. together, but the ones that matter are. Caitlyn and Birthday Brian. Brian Jr. They also have a dog, Chloe. Very. important. Then Brian. has a brother. named Chris Albert. >> Okay. >> Chris Albert is married to Julie. Julie. happens to be best friends.

with Jen McCabe. Julie and Jen McCabe are best friends. >> Okay. >> And Jen McCabe is Nicole's sister, >> right? >> They're best friends. >> Okay. >> They've been best friends for a really. long time. And it's not because they're. distantly related. They're genuinely. best friends and they're a family. Now. Chris and Julie also have a few kids, but the only one that really matters is. Colin Albert. They Chris, Julie, Colin. used to live two houses down.

from John O'Keeffe. >> Used to. >> Yeah. And this is very important. >> Used to as like when this crime happened. or years before the crime happened. They. moved away one year before the crime. And this is very important later because. Karen will later say the only person. she's ever seen John have problems with. >> Mhm. >> call in Albert. >> Huh. >> Teenager neighbor leaving drunk beer. bottles on John's property.

>> I see. >> Then there are two other main Albert. brothers we'll get into. >> Well, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Was. Colin Albert at the party? They find out that he was months after. >> in the initial reports. >> Nobody. >> nobody lists him. >> Wow. >> Oh yeah. Colin's going to be like the. focus of the next episode. >> Wow.

>> Colin's a huge focus later. Now, this is. important also because Michael Proctor, no nudes yet, Proctor, >> he's the main investigator. Well, one of. the main investigators, right? Yeah. >> His sister is Courtney Proctor. >> Yes. >> Who's best friends with Julie? >> Okay. Um, so they're all best friends. >> Yeah, >> this whole house is a best friend party. >> Yeah, they're all related or they're all. best friends.

>> This is crazy. Like, small town is so. scary. Michael Proctor's mom even said. in like a social media post that the. Alberts are like the Proctor's second. family. When she got married, when. Courtney Proctor got married, Colin was. the ring boy. >> Colin Arubbert is basically Michael. Proctor's ring boy. Or. >> no, Courtney Proctor. >> But aren't they married? Oh, sister. I'm. so sorry. >> Yeah, his wife is Elizabeth. She's not.

on here right now, but. >> Yeah. Yeah. Jeez. Okay. >> So, there is a death outside the Albert. family househ. >> and this man's sister is best friends. with Julie Albert who's best friends. with Jen McCabe and they're all related. to an Albert or they're married to an. Albert and there's a death outside. The. man investigating the case is very close. with the Albert family. So close in fact. that they call them the second family to. the proctors. And yet he does not recuse.

himself. He does not pull out for a. conflict of interest. Nothing. In fact, his sister is so close with Julie Albert. that during the initial investigation. into John O'Keefe's death, they call. each other nonstop. And she Julie will not recall what was. discussed in any of those conversations. >> Courtney's brother is is is in charge of. figuring out everything. what happened.

Meanwhile, Julie Albert is like tapping. that phone line non-stop. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I will say lead investigator is a. little misleading. He does have a. supervisor, Buchenkick, that's going to. be a huge part of the next episode, but. Buchenkick is also not a good person. But this guy, he's a huge He's the one. that is searching through Karen Reed's. phone. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, lead investigator, but like. you get it now. Karen's attorney says, "You'll learn that right from the jump. Michael Proctor predetermined the. outcome of this case and never stepped. foot inside the Albert home on January.

29th, 2022. He never checked out if. there were signs of a struggle inside. the home. He never called crime scene. technicians and other specialists to. look for blood or other trace evidence. in the within the home. He never asked. Brian Albert for permission to go into. the home and look around. Michael. Proctor never applied for a search. warrant to go in that house. Instead, he. focused immediately and exclusively on. Karen Reed, the outsider. No one in the. Proctor family had ever called the Reed. family their second family. No one in. the Proctor family had been in a wedding.

party with anyone else from the Reed. family. There are pictures of the. Proctor family and the Albert family. dating back to 2012. But these are not the only strange. connections. Carrie Roberts lives on the same block. as one of the paramedics that responds. to the scene, but that's normal. It's a. small town. Everyone lives next to. everyone. But what's interesting is that. there are many investigating bodies on. this case. So just to not get it. confused, some of the main police. officers that first arrive at the scene.

are Shawn Good, Paul Gallagher, and. Michael Link. >> Okay. >> These are Canton police officers. >> Okay. >> Michael Proctor is a state police. officer. Canton is the town. >> Mhm. >> State police. They just they have. different jurisdiction, but they don't. Nobody's above each other, right? They. don't work together. >> No, they they do kind of work together. cuz they all operate in Canton. He kind. of works with them, too. >> Mhm. >> So, they all kind of know each other for. sure. >> Right. Okay.

>> But different jurisdictions, different. departments. Now, Carrie Roberts. daughter is best friends. with Michael Link's daughter, Officer. Link. Hm. >> In fact, the day right after January. 30th, 2022, Carrie and Jen McCabe, Reebok sisters that have never seen each. other since six, seven years ago when. they went to buy sneakers at Reebok, suddenly they're hanging out the next. day. They go to John O'Keefe's house to. talk to Mr. and Mrs. O'Keefe. And then.

they stop by Michael Link's house. >> They say it's to drop off Car's. daughter, but it's strange, isn't it? They both went to drop off Carrie's. daughter. >> Mhm. Michael Lank is also best friends. and grew up with. Chris Albert. >> Wow. >> So, right when the call was when the 911. call was submitted, it went to Shaun. Good. Canton police. So, this is the. local jurisdiction. Canton, Shaun Good,

Gallagher, Link, they're all Canton. >> Yep. >> The troopers eventually get involved. Tully, Buchanan, and Proctor, but they're still going to. keep working with the Canton police. In. fact, they're gonna bring Karen. >> I'm so sorry, but why did these uh. troopers get involved eventually? >> Do you see this guy, Kenneth Burkowitz? He's the chief of the Canton Police. Department. >> Okay. >> He says, "We should probably recuse. ourselves for conflict.". >> Huh? Why? How so? Because too related?

Too close? Do you remember I was talking. about the town select men? >> Yes, Brian Albert. No. >> No. >> Oh, >> just the town select men. You got like. three, five people that are acting like. mayors. >> Yeah. >> Chris Albert is a town selectman for. Canton. >> Okay. >> Kenneth Burkowitz. endorsed Chris Albert. Chris Albert. and the other select men oversee the. police department. They oversee the. budgets. They oversee administration.

Dang. >> They oversee public safety. >> I thought Brian Aubbert is also a town. select man. >> No. >> Oh, >> who's what does Brian do again? Brian. Albert. >> You going to tell me later? Okay. Okay. Okay. >> So, he's a town select man. Kenneth. Burkowitz endorsed him, >> right? >> And they all just kind of know the. Alberts. So, they're like, "Maybe we. should recuse ourselves. Call in the. state troopers." But the state troopers, they don't really stop working with the. Canton Police Department. In fact, when. they tow Karen's car, they bring it to.

the Canton Police Department and storage. it there. But that doesn't make sense like you're. saying because all these cops, why are. they protecting Brian Albert? Especially. when the victim is a cop. Like it just. seems strange. Do they just love the. guy? Or does it have to do with the fact. that maybe they love Chris and Brian is. Chris's older brother? Well, Kevin Albert, another Albert brother, is.

also a police officer, a detective at. the Canton Police Department. So now these Canton police officers, their only connection to Brian Albert is. not just Chris Albert. It's also Kevin. Albert who has been working for the. Canton Police Department for 18 years, >> right? They're all colleagues. They're. all colleagues, but still, the victim is. also a police officer. Why would they. prioritize distant connections over a.

police officer who is deceased? Michael. Proctor's text messages get read in. court. And during the investigation, one. of his childhood friends asks him along. the lines of, "With a dead body in the. front lawn, the homeowner in this case. is probably going to catch a lot of. grief. Like, they're probably going to. have a lot of legal troubles, lots of. investigations happening." Michael. Proctor responds with just one word, nope. And then he texts again and he. explains why the homeowner, Brian. Albert, is not going to catch a lot of.

grief. He says, quote, "The homeowner is. a Boston cop, too. They're all cops.". So, this is not just a blizzard party. >> Wait, so Brian Albert, >> they're all cops. John O'Keefe has been. a Boston cop for 16 years. >> Uh-huh. Brian Albert is also a cop with. the Boston Police Department. Same. police department, Boston, but he leads. the fugitive unit. So, this is like a. big cop. There's four main law.

enforcement bodies that you need to know. for this case. Let's just make it easy. First, Boston PD. Brian, fugitive unit. and John O'Keefe has been there for 16. years. >> John works under Brian. >> Not under him directly, but he works in. the offender registry department. >> Okay. Brian works fugitive. >> Okay, >> this is like big boy cop. Then you have. the Canton Police Department. This takes. place in the town of Canton, not Boston. So Boston PD don't have jurisdiction. even though it's one of their own and.

the death happened right outside another. one of their own's house. >> Okay. >> Then you have Canton Police Department. They're the ones investigating first. because it's in their jurisdiction. You've got Chris Albert being heavily. connected, being the town select man, being friendly with the chief of the. Canton police. Then you have Kevin. Albert who's part of the Canton Police. Department. You also have a potentially. suspicious neighbor. So right across the. street from Brian Albert's home, >> okay, >> is another Canton police officer, Tom.

Keller, and he conveniently says that. his ring footage did not catch anything. of importance that night, so he deleted. the footage. You'reing [ __ ] me. Who deletes ring. camera footage. Does anybody do that? >> Not that I know of. >> That's crazy. >> So, the Canton police chief is like, "Maybe we need to recuse ourselves. because we've got way too much conflict. going on. Michael Link is best friends. with Chris. Everybody's buddies." So, they call in Massachusetts State Police,

which are these three. You got Tully, Beck, and Proctor. Proctor's got deep. connections with the Alberts. And then. you have that's the third body. Then you. have the fourth body, the feds, because. the FBI has opened an investigation into. John O'Keefe's death. I mean, they've. opened an investigation into the. investigation of John O'Keefe's death. >> Is that after the first mistrial or. >> It's actually before the first mistrial. Everything is so strange with this case.

There are so many layers of suspicion, but let's just go the surface level. So, is that why Michael Proctor's text. messages, all things are released, is. because of the feds? >> Yes. So, the feds, they actually give it. to the defense in the Commonwealth, the. text messages. >> Wow. >> I don't think they would have gotten. this. >> So, the feds are kind of the one that's. helping in a sense. >> In a sense. Yeah. >> One more thing, like I see the colors, right? I kind of see the I see all these. cops in the navy blue, I guess, and then.

we I see the lighter shades of blue. Are. they both cops or? >> Okay. Yes. So, let me go through my. colors. We've got the red for the Albert. family, the main Alberts, big Albert. Okay. And then he's the light shade of. blue. So, light shade of blue are any. law enforcement personnel that are not. investigating the case, >> that are involved but not investigating. So, Brian Albert, John O'Keefe, right? And then you've got Kevin Albert. Chris, he's not I mean he oversees the police.

department so law enforcement. The dark. navy are people that have actively. investigated the case. They're all law. enforcement. So the red is big Alberts. The orange are the secondary Alberts. >> That is so interesting. So Kevin Albert. >> is part of the same department, but he's. not investigating. >> No. >> But he's still like talking to them. every day, right? >> He was getting daily updates. >> Yeah. >> Even when Canton PD recused themselves.

>> That's freaking crazy. And that's just. his brother's home. >> Straight up brother. >> Brother's home. And he's like talking to. his buddies about the investigation. >> Oh, and the chief of police, >> Kenneth. >> Guess what? The select select men, they. have control over appointing chief of. police for Canton. And then you've got. the McCabes that are in yellow. So it's. like red, orange, yellow, right? >> And then the green are prosecution and. auntie Bev. Pink is anyone.

>> working with Karen. >> through Karen. >> Okay. >> And then purple is anyone that's. important. just for the events. >> but not necessarily um part of the. Alberts or McCabes. And then white is. not that important and we might replace. them. We're going to add more people. onto this as this goes on. So. >> that's crazy cuz this is looks like you. put you go to Kentum and then you pull. the most connected or influential. family. Yeah. >> Together. And that's it. That that's.

this is the whole family run the town. >> and then someone is investigating, not. them, but someone is found deceased. outside their home. And so, let's get. into the first layer of suspicion before. I leave you before the second episode, cuz I know it's getting long, but there. are a lot of conversations about the. initial 911 call. Mainly because John. O'Keeffe is missing and to the point. where Karen is frantic and hysterical, yet she never calls 911. Some people. think that's weird. Some people think. that it's not weird because imagine. calling 911 on your cop boyfriend and.

then he just ends up drunk at someone's. house and now you're embarrassing him. and everybody else involved and you're. like the hysterical girlfriend. >> But isn't didn't they also say that you. can't call until like 24 hours or. something? >> You can't call for 24 hours. Like the. best you could probably do is lie that. they're elderly and have like a medical. condition, but you probably shouldn't. lie to the cops at all. But like they. really don't care. They'll say, "He's an. adult. He could be sleeping with his. mistress right now.". >> Yeah. There's no missing person's case.

at all. Blah blah blah. >> But some people kind of critique Karen. for that. Other people critique the. actual 911 call which was placed by Jen. McCabe and they say she's weird. The 911. call goes, "What's your emergency?". >> Yes. I need someone to come to 34 uh 34. Fairview Road in Canton Math. There's a. man pass out in the snow. >> All right. You're in Canton. Hold on. Let's transfer the Canton. Please call. connected to Node. Okay. >> Yeah. I don't know why I did that. >> You got the towels. Stay in the line. >> I think he's dead. You need So like you.

got to get here ASAP. Okay. >> All right. We're trying to stay in the. line. We try to do it again. >> Karen's in the background screaming. Jen. Jen. I know. I know. Where are the. blankets? I don't see the blankets. So. Jen is trying to get the blankets from. Carrie Roberts's car. >> I know. I know. Where are the blankets? I don't see blankets. Carrie, >> you know what's interesting about this? You know who probably has copious. amounts of blankets? The homeowners. your sister, Jen. If you can't find the. blankets, why wouldn't you go to your. sister.

>> or your brother-in-law who's sleeping I. don't know how many feet away from you. because he's a first responder and you. know that. And I also think it's very. strange because I feel like every family. has that one person that when [ __ ]. really goes down, you call that one. person and it appears to be Brian Albert. in this family and he's sleeping right. there and you don't wake him. >> That is freaking crazy. I feel like. every family has that one person you. call for everything. >> Yeah. >> But nevertheless, she gets transferred. to Canton 911. >> What's going on?

>> There's a guy unresponsive in the snow. >> So, it went from there's a man in the. snow to now there's a guy in the snow. A. lot of netizens are critiquing it feels. like a lot of distancing language. Jen. says, "I'm just trying to communicate. effectively with the police." Instead of. saying my friend, my buddy, my guy named. John, she's saying she's trying to be. very assertive with how she's talking. >> I mean, just the fact that she's not. calling her sister or brother-in-law, that alone makes her more way more. suspicious than Karen in my opinion.

>> Yes. And what's even more suspicious is. that as she's calling 911, you can hear. like Carrie and Jen arguing about what. to do. So the whole time they're arguing. about, do we flip him over? No, we can't. flip him over because he like might get. a spinal injury. Like you don't hear the. words exactly, but later they'll all. testify that this is what happened. And. at one point Karen is trying to warm him. up with her body heat. Carrie's getting. mad and she's like, "Shut up, Karen.". Like there's so much going on. Would you. not just be like, "Hey, both of you guys. shut up. I'm going to get a first. responder.". >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> The phone with the ambulance. I know. I. know. I know. I know, honey. I know. I. know. >> Carrie, you got to get off him. Honey, >> stop. Stop. He He. >> It's not like they've got it down pat. It's not like they know what they're. doing. >> You're saying like this whole thing all. night long until the body gets taken. away. Nobody talked to Brian and Nicole. all night. >> No. Well, there is a phone call made. >> from. >> from Jen McCabe to Nicole.

>> At what time? >> Right at 6:00 in the morning. Like right. around the time that they're supposed to. be coming. >> They're supposed to be coming. >> 2:34 Fair View. >> on the way there. >> Yeah. And uh. >> and they pull up to the house. >> They say it's a butt dial. >> But still, did anybody ask Jen, "Why. didn't you just knock on your brother, your sister's door?". >> I don't recall. Everything is I don't. recall. >> That is crazy. >> Now, John O'Keefe is found laying in the. snow at approximately 6:00 a.m. So far, nobody says they saw him in the snow.

prior to this, but Karen, she did in. fact leave the house, and that's. verified at around like 12:30ish. So. that means his body would have been out. there from 12:30 to like 6:00 in the. morning. So why is Jen McCabe googling. at 2:27. how long to die in the cold? There is a. Google search from 2:27 a.m. H O so typo. house long to die in the cold. Jen. McCabe says that that's not what.

happened. She claims that when she got. home after leaving the Albert residence, she was laying in bed, opened up the. Safari tab, and started looking at. basketball game results for her. daughter's high school basketball game. Then she put her phone down, maybe with. the tab still open, went to sleep, and. then she's awakened by Karen's calling. her non-stop. And then in front of 34. Fair View, Jen says, as the paramedics. are pushing John into the ambulance, Karen is looking at her and is saying, "Can you Google hypothermia?" She says,

"We held hands. We prayed. She had blood. on her hands." And she said, "Maybe I've. gotten my period." And she was just kind. of all over the place. And then at one. point, she grabbed my hands and she. said, "Google hypothermia. Google how. long it takes to die in the cold." And. so I had my phone out and it was cold. and my hands were frozen. And I have MS. Jen has MS as well. They bonded over. that. I mean, before this, and I took my. phone out while she was screaming and. shaking my arm, and I attempted to. Google how long it takes to die in the. cold. Jen claims that's the first time. she ever Googled it around 6:00 in the.

morning. She said she typed it multiple. times because Karen kept shaking her arm. and her hands were cold, but nothing. came out of the Google search. They just. moved on, so she didn't address it. anymore. Now, the prosecutors, they. bring in a forensic expert that. testifies that perhaps sometimes it. happens. You open a tab and when you. research on that same tab, it'll log it. as the time that you open the tab. The. defense brings in an expert that's like, "You're crazy. Your phone does not log. the time that you open a tab. Your phone.

logs the time that you search something. Your searches are logged. You don't log. when a tab is open.". >> That is crazy. That's like the most. boomer explanation of how freaking. Google history works. Okay. But what's. crazy is that this entire trial I was. thinking that the way that all of them. fullheartedly just like try to sell this. butt dial story. >> Like this is such boomer energy because. you cannot tell anyone under a certain. age. Like my mom would believe it. My. mom would be like it does make sense. that they would butt dial and then.

everyone younger is like. >> no it doesn't. >> Like how how when was the last time you. butt dial someone everyone's butt. dialing each other. Like that's crazy. >> And conveniently the exact people that. were involved last night. And also this. tab search timestamp thing. We just. invented internet. Like what are you. talking about? >> Both Jen McCabe and Carrie testify that. Karen asked Jen to Google that at the. scene. Jen McCabe obviously has. incentive to say that Karen told her to. Google it. But Carrie Roberts, why would.

she say that? She's not even friends. with Jen McCabe. During Carrie Roberts's. cross-examination, Alan Jackson is. asking, "Have you ever said or testified. that Miss Reed asked you to pray and. that Miss Reed said to Jennifer McCabe. to Google hypothermia? No. You never said that. I've never said. that. Is it your testimony that you have. never said that Karen told you to Google. hypothermia or that you don't recall. saying that? I don't recall saying that. But at the grand jury hearing, that's.

exactly what Carrie testified to. Then. you were asked a question at the grand. jury hearing. What if anything did she, Miss Reed, ask Miss McCabe while they. were sitting in the back of the cruiser. that you heard? Did you recall that? I. did not hear the question about Google. being asked. That's not my question. In. response to that question at the grand. jury hearing, you testified at one point. she asked her to Google hypothermia. Correct? Mhm. I'm sorry. Yes. You'll agree that.

that's a very detailed and specific. recount of an event you recounted where. you were in the back of a cruiser and. around that time you thought they were. lifting John up, scooped him up in the. gurnie. You're so detailed that you. talked about where you were standing. next to the cruiser at the open door. Correct. Yes. What the others were. doing, holding hands, praying. Yes. You'll agree at least for that purpose. You painted a very, very detailed. picture in front of the grand jury, didn't you? Yeah. Except it's not true, is it? I did not hear her ask that. I. was told she asked that. The answer to.

my question, Miss Roberts, and it's not. a trick question. What you told the. grand jury was not true. You never heard. her, my client, ask anyone to Google. anything, did you? I did not. And yet, that's what you testified under oath, under penalty of perjury in front of the. grand jury, didn't you? I did. And the. reason that you did that, and the reason. that you said that false statement was. because someone told you to say it, correct? Nobody told me to say it. I. knew it happened at that time, which is. why I said it. How did you know that it.

happened, Miss Roberts, if no one told. you it happened? Because we wrote a. timeline. We already spoke about that. Jennifer McCabe helped influence your. testimony. You testified to the grand. jurors to that statement that you've. never heard. Correct? Yes. Here's. another interesting thing. The federal. investigation into the investigation of. John O'Keefe's death cannot be mentioned. during the trial. Auntie Beam said, "You. can't talk about it. You can't bring up. the feds, but you can allude to it. You. can say another investigating party. Okay, so now there's two grand juries.

There was one for this trial and then. there's another one for the federal case. that happened. And what's interesting is. all these witnesses suddenly are a. little more forthcoming with the feds. because you know that you should not lie. to the feds. There was another grand. jury hearing. Carrie Roberts at the. grand jury hearing for this case. She's. like, "I heard Karen Reed ask. >> the grand jury for the feds.".

None. Not a peep. Because she tells the. feds that she did not hear Karen Reed. ask Jen McCabe that. But she does say. that she saw Jen McCabe on her phone. She says, "I saw McCabe on her phone.". But you did not hear Karen ask Jennifer. to Google anything. Correct. So what you. told the grand jurors was in fact false. I misunderstood. Mr. Lai's question. The question was, "What, if anything, did she, Miss Reed, ask Miss McCabe while they were sitting.

in the back of the cruiser that you. heard?" I misunderstood the question. You misunderstood the question? Yes. What did you misunderstand about that. question? I didn't know it was what you. heard, so I was explaining what happened. in the back of the car. I see. So, you. ignored the part, literally the part of. the question where he said, "What did. you hear her say?" That's your. testimony. I didn't hear it. I obviously. got the question wrong. I did not hear. anybody ask about a Google search. >> And that was a false statement, wasn't.

it? >> Technically. >> Technically. >> Yes. Technically. >> What do you mean technically? >> Technically, I was under oath and I did. not hear Jen. Karen ask Jen to Google. it. And yet under oath. >> But I knew it happened at that time. >> And yet under oath you said you did. >> Correct. >> And that was a lie. Correct. >> Was that a lie? >> Did you lie? >> I did. Not intentionally. >> But you did. >> Not intentionally.

>> Okay. That that's the end of this. >> Understood the question, Mr. Jackson. >> All right. Is there any other question. or is that it? >> I didn't hear what she just said. >> I said I misunderstood the question, Mr. Jackson. >> Is it that aggressive? Yeah. Yeah. >> Gosh, >> that's what you're saying now. Correct. That's what happened. Can I ask one more. question? In that quote, you said at one. point she asked Jen to Google. hypothermia and how long? And then you. corrected yourself and finished with. Google hypothermia. What did you mean by.

how long? What were you about to say? I. don't recall. Had someone told you. something about a phrase that started. with how long? I don't recall. For. instance, how long to die in the cold? I. don't recall. >> I don't recall. I don't recall. >> I don't recall. >> Like for instance, >> I don't recall. >> So suddenly, not a lot of recollection. happening. Carrie Roberts is a little. odd. Some people think that Jen's energy. is also very odd. So both of the other.

women that were there, I mean, some. people think Karen's energy is odd. So. everybody is suspicious to some. But. it's weird that the Alberts never go. outside. Attorney Little, Elizabeth. Little asks Nicole Albert, "And inside. your house, you had plenty of blankets. and other items that you could have been. comfort to a man laying in the snow.". Correct. Yes. And you were lying next to. a first responder. Yes. And neither you. nor your husband came outside to help. Johnny. Correct. We did not go outside.

because we had no idea what was going. on. We were sound asleep until my sister. came into my bedroom. Brian and Nicole. are adamant that one, they did not hear. anything. They were woken up because. after John O'Keefe's body was taken to. the hospital, Jen was instructed by. those officers to go wake up the. homeowners. They're adamant on that. And. two, they're adamant that by that point, John was already taken to the hospital. So, they didn't feel like they needed to. rush down and outside and try to save. him. In fact, Brian Albert senior says, "I was just woken up out of a cold sleep. from hanging out the night before. By.

the time I came downstairs, the police. were already in my house. John was. already gone. There was nobody to save. I mean, I would have taken a bullet for. John O'Keefe because he was a fellow. cop. That's the most ridiculous question. that people always ask. It made zero. sense. What am I supposed to do? Run out. the front in my underwear running yellow. tape around the fire hydrant? I didn't. see that there was a reason to go. outside like that. The police had. already been in my house. They had. already talked to us about what was. going on. It was a snowstorm at that. point. They were trying to conduct an. investigation that I didn't want to. interfere with or have anything to do. with. He continues, "At that time, there.

was no victim in front of my house, so. there was no first aid for me to give. There was nothing else I could do. But. they have a member of their family that. they both testified sleeps in their. bedroom, the very front window facing. the flag pole. And this family member, people have testified and reported Chloe. is not good with humans, not good with. strangers, and not good with other dogs. You're telling us she did not bark. She. did not wake up the Alberts,

>> right? >> They just slept through it all. All. three of them. We're going to go into a. lot more of the suspicious stuff in the. second episode, such as Brian Higgins, who happened to be in the house that. night, who also had a crush on Karen. Reed. So, that's going to get very. complicated. But while Carrie Roberts is. being interviewed for the second time. inside of Jen McCabe's house right after. they made a timeline of events. >> Mhm. >> Jen McCabe is in a family group chat. with Brian Albert, Nicole Albert, the.

homeowners, and her husband Matt McCabe, and they start messaging. Matt McCabe. text into the group chat because Chris. Albert apparently reported to all of. them that troopers had come into his. place of business. So, his wife owns a. restaurant and they're asking about the. case. So, Matt is saying, "Tell them the. guy never went in the house." Brian. Albert responds, "Exactly.". Matt McCabe is updating the family on.

where the troopers are in their. neighborhood. You know, coming to talk. to Jen and Carrie. He says, "Troopers. back out front, but in front of the. Asian house and looks like more has been. dug up there, or at least looks like. it." Wait, what does that mean? >> Like maybe they're digging more into the. the case. >> Now, Jen text, Carrie is going over the. timeline, which indicates that she's. listening to Carrie talking to a trooper. during her second interview. >> Mhm. >> So, Jen is listening. Carrie is going. over the timeline. Matt responds, "Very.

weird that she's barely been. interviewed. The whole dead comment was. just told." The whole dead comment. >> What's that comment? Karen called and. said, "John is dead." The whole dead. comment was just told. I was supposed to. have them talk last night and forgot to. tell Proctor to call them. So, I don't. know what that means, but you're just. going around telling cops to call people. to investigate. >> Is he like listening in on their.

interviews? >> It seems like it. They'll deny it. >> He's giving a live broadcast of what the. police is getting right now. >> Yeah. But they'll say that they were. just in their kitchen eating dinner and. they heard bits and pieces, bits and. bobs. But people don't believe it. Brian. Albert responds to that. Hope they don't. think she's making it up after the fact. for some reason, but if they barely. interview Carrie, that's on them. Matt. responds, "Yes, she was hardly. interviewed and I think just answered. what was asked." Jen responds, "Are you.

listening? Cops here again." Nicole. tells her sister, "Call us after." Matt. responds, "This girl could write a book. non-stop talking about Carrie Roberts. >> She's talking a lot.". >> Yeah. And Jen McCabe responds, "I love it.". >> What? What does that mean? Like, >> then another text. She's telling them. everything. Nicole responds with just one word.

Good. That is so chilling. >> And that is where I leave you with part. one of this case because none of this. makes sense. And in part two, everything. we thought we knew about this case. flipped on its head again and again and. again and there's so much like it. doesn't make any sense. What are your. thoughts on this so far? Have you heard. of this case? And I think one of the. main reasons that we found it really. hard to get into it was everybody has.

such strong opinions. And I felt this. was the first time where you could have. such differing forensic analysis, forensic experts testifying to the same. exact thing. Like, how is it up in the. air whether or not a Google search was. conducted at 2:27 a.m.? >> Yeah. >> But the fact that everything can be. interpreted in different ways for this. case just makes it weird. So, it really. does feel like a lot of emotions play on. how people decide on whether or not they. think Karen did it or not. But one.

thing's for sure, I would not trust. these people. I would not trust these. text messages. I will say Karen reads. voicemails. Yeah, they're crazy, but I. don't think it's it doesn't make sense. for her to leave those voicemails. But. in the next episode, we're going to go. into the supposed broken tail light. We're going to go into Brian Higgins and. the affair. And there's just lots of. other things that we have to cover. So, let me know in the comments what are. your thoughts. And with that, I will see. you in the next one.

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