Lindsay Clancy on Trial for Killing 3 Kids: 11 Out of 12 Jurors Think She’s Not Guilty by Insanity

Bada bing, bada boom. >> I would bet at least one full dollar. that I will not make it into a jury. deliberation room for the foreseeable. future. But I imagine that it's akin to. being a hostage in a bank heist. You. have strangers cramped into a stale. room. Day after day, the tension keeps. building and once in a while you can. send a note out. One note to a judge on. a drug case reads, "Tension is high. Nerves are afraid. All minds are not. sound.". Then 5 minutes later, another juror from.

that same deliberation room sends. another note that they think jury duty. is worse than a prison sentence because. at least someone in prison gets three. meals a day in a free education. Jury. rage and distress is very real and it's. kind of scary to think about it. Justice. will be dictated by people who are. getting exhausted and are quickly. heading towards distress. One New York. court officer says they had to break up. a fist fight before and once they heard. jurors screaming so loudly at each other. that other floors of the courthouse. could hear that jury. It has gotten a.

lot better. There's a lot more thought. going into how to make the process. smoother for jurors. Some courts give. out booklets on how to debate while. being courteous. Other courts are. focused on how to make jurors feel more. physically comfortable to help with any. distress they may feel. So, bigger. deliberation rooms, better food, better. snacks. Oh, apparently some courouses. even put the nicest clerks to deal with. the jurors. They don't want jurors. Yeah. The most patient one, the most. accommodating, the kindest ones.

>> So, like when they're deliberating, there's nobody else in the room, right? Except 12 of them. I see. >> You have the court officers outside. >> Outside, but not inside. >> Mm-. >> Do they get paid? >> No. Well, um, some trials you do. >> Oh, >> but it's like $40 a day. I think it's. for travel and food, but no, you don't. You don't get paid. It's not like paid. time off. Right. Right. Right. >> And it's not time off. But yeah, jury. tension is unavoidable during. deliberations, especially when it's not. a unanimous front from the beginning. That's why notes keep getting sent. One.

note to a judge unrelated to this case. reads, "The atmosphere in the jury room. has turned poisonous. Deliberations are. irreparably compromised." Another note. reads, "One juror is not participating. at all in the deliberation process and. sleeps most of the time. Can something. be done with this situation? For one. trial, there was one hold out juror, meaning everybody else agreed except. this one individual. The rest of the. jurors insulted the hold out, threatened. them, and then eventually resorted to. the completely legal and logical route. of chucking a chair at the hold out.

They missed, and I don't know if this is. the fact that they missed, but the chair. thrower immediately apologized to the. hold out juror. But another juror, unhappy, still threatened to punch the. hold out. Yeah. Okay. Side note, the. holdout wanted to hold a pharmaceutical. company liable for knowing about the. effects of one of their drugs and not. putting the warnings on the labels, but. the other 11 did not want to hold them. liable, and that was like a whole thing. She had to write a letter to the judge. inside the courthouse, inside the jury. deliberation room, like some sort of.

bank heist hostage, and she wrote, "I am. being intimidated, threatened, screamed. at. I need a police escort out of here. I'm afraid to come back. I cannot in. good conscience vote for a case because. of threats." which is arguably more. admirable than another group of jurors. that decided that they were just going. to flip a coin to see if they could. convict a man for killing his. girlfriend. To be fair, that coin flip. was not between guilty and not guilty. That coin flip was between murder and. manslaughter. It landed on murder. It. did not stick though. The judge had to. declare a mistrial after finding out.

about the coin toss. The jurors were. confused why that verdict was thrown. out. They said, "Well, we were going to. be a hung jury anyway, so we thought, what do we have to lose?". This is um. >> if someone is deciding my fate with a. coin, it better at least be a quarter. For one of the Bill Cosby trials, tensions were so high that a male juror. punched a concrete wall. Another juror. said, "I think he broke his pinky. knuckle." If we kept going, there. definitely was going to be a fight. They. had five sheriff's deputies at the door. and they could hear us and they kept. coming in because they thought we were. already fighting. Also, the room was so.

small for those deliberations. The juror. said we were losing our goddamn minds. One juror says people couldn't even. pace. They were literally just walking. in circles where they were standing. because we were losing our minds. People. would just start crying out of nowhere. We wouldn't even be talking about the. case and people would just start crying. One juror says, "The best way to. describe being trapped in a jury. deliberation room where people are not. agreeing is you're locked in a room with. a banana and a nut and you got to get. out of there." It's not very comforting. news. And recently, the topic of jury.

deliberations and the tension inside. those rooms has become a national topic. All because of Lindseay Clansy's highly. publicized trial. Many of the jurors. have come out since to publicly give. everything that has transpired inside. that jury deliberation room. Jurors are. describing the sharpness of the knife. that they wanted to re-examine during. deliberations. Jurors from that trial. are describing how one of the jurors. took the murder weapon, if you will, an. exercise band and wrapped it around a. water bottle. >> It absolutely happened and then it.

didn't work. It didn't work. And. somebody else got up to help and they. wrapped it around his arm. >> What knife? >> There was a knife used to make the. wounds on Yes. >> Oh, okay. >> So, what did the knife tell you by. looking more closely at it? It was dull. >> Now, the internet more or less has been. doxing certain jurors as well as digging. up criminal history, criminal.

backgrounds, wondering if they lied to. get on this jury. Every one of the. jurors personal lives has become an. important factor for the internet. The. jurors for Lindseay Clancy's trial were. deadlocked 11 to1 resulting in a. mistrial. Jurors have come out publicly. talking about that one hold out juror. And the internet has docked that hold. out with very strong opinions on whether. this hold out is a villain or a hero. And with that, there's so many questions. that still remain. Is there going to be. a second trial? What will the new jurors. decide then? exactly what during the.

trial led the jurors to be so dead set. in their positions that they refused to. budge. And that's just the trial side of. things. There's also the internet side. of things where it's not just a debate. about whether or not Lindsey Clancy. should be found guilty, not guilty, not. guilty by reason of insanity, but. everyone digging into the judge's family. tree theories about other parties that. were potentially involved. People. looking into property deeds and titles. to find something suspicious. This is. part one of a multi-part series. Digging.

into the case of Lindseay Clancy, we. watched every single second of trial. We. tried to sift through all the social. media discourse to give you an easy to. understand compiled version of events. and online conversations. We're covering. the trial, the online theories, the. infamous Bratz doll video, the recently. dubbed Patrick Did It theories, and all. of the social media investigations. occurring within this case.

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like to thank you guys for your. continued support. As always, full show. notes are available at. rotteningodcast.com. This case has really heavy themes of. mental health conditions like postpartum. depression, psychosis. However, the. details of the case are not. representative of these particular. diagnoses and no generalizations should. be made from this case about these. conditions. There are mentions of. self-exit and taking the lives of. others, particularly children and. infants. We may mention various. opinions, speculations, comments all. from the public about this case. These.

are not representative of our own and. nor are they legally confirmed. Everything we used in research for this. case is publicly available information. So, please keep in mind that statements, quotes may be summarized, condensed, or. shortened for brevity. This will be a. multi-part series and there might be. individual additional disclaimers, but. there's a lot to disclaim in this case. And one thing that I will say is certain. people who have been reacting to this. case have lost all nuance. I don't know. what has happened, but it's almost. become if you even point out something.

about one party or the other party, that. must mean by default that you believe. the opposite thing to be true. In this, we're just pointing out everything that. we noticed and that the internet has. noticed throughout the trial and. throughout this case unfolding online. But for now, please watch with. discretion, take care, and let's get. into it. Southshore Hospital in. Massachusetts is a level two trauma. center, which means they do 24/7 trauma. surgery. So, you have access to. neurosurgery, orthopedics, anesthesia,

radiology, emergency medicine, intensive. care. They can care for very serious. life-threatening injuries. They treat. most major trauma. The only higher. ranking for a trauma center would be a. level one trauma center, which is. comprehensive care for every aspect of. injury with the greatest specialist. depth. Side note, this isn't really like. a safety rating or anything. It's just a. matter of resources. So, just to. simplify, if you need band-aids for your. wound, a level one trauma center may. have a lot more band-aids stocked, but.

you're still going to get the same. band-aid. They're not going to give you. more or better band-aid than the one you. need. They just have it if you need it. So again, not a safety rating, if you. will. But Lindsay Clancy is wheeled into. Southshore Hospital January 24th, 2023. She's wearing tank top, jeans, socks, no. shoes. She's got multiple lacerations, so cuts on her wrist and her neck. They're not deep enough to require. surgical intervention. The cuts. themselves would not be categorized as.

fatal, obviously. However, that's not. why she's even in the ER. She has severe. spinal injuries, a C1 burst fracture, otherwise known as a Jefferson fracture. The C1 is the top part of the spine. where the base of the skull sits at. >> and it's almost kind of like a rounded. part. And a burst fracture means that. it's not just like cracked in half. It's. it's basically exploded. >> It's burst. And it typically happens. when a heavy load comes straight down. through the top of the head. So the.

skull's base is connected to the C1. And. because of that pressure, the load on. the top of the head, it fractures the. C1. A Jefferson fracture most commonly, I mean, some ways to describe it is if. you dive into shallow water and the top. of your head hits the bottom of the. pool. If you fall landing on your head, or in a car accident, if the car rolls. and your head bumps the roof of the car. while you're upside down, I guess those. are, you know, the more common ways to. get a.

>> Why is it called Jefferson? I actually. have no clue. >> That's actually not the most severe. injury Lindsay comes in with. She has. her T5 and T6 of her spine is shattered. It's a three column fracture, meaning. the front, middle, and the back of the. bone are all broken. It's akin to having. a chair and you saw through the four. legs. Like nothing is holding the spine. up anymore. This requires surgery to. make the spine stable, but it does not. repair the spinal cord. Nothing can.

really repair a spinal cord for injuries. like that where it's a three column. fracture. The cord damage is done at the. time of injury, which means there will. most likely be no movement and no. feeling below the level of the damage. So at T5, that typically means arms and. hands will be fine. Trunk and stomach. muscles will most likely be paralyzed. Legs will probably be paralyzed. Typically, you will lose bladder and. bowel control, no central function. And. this is typical. So, this is not the end. all be all, but 92 out of 100 people who.

have these fractures at that part of the. spine never walk independently again. But it's not 100 out of 100. Those are. the biggest injuries, and that's not the. full extent. There's a whole slew of. spinal injuries, all of which seem to. have contributed to Lindsay ending up. paralyzed in a wheelchair. She also had. 30 cc's of fluid coming out of her nose, which is about 2 tablespoons. The. emergency personnel believed that could. be CSF fluid, spinal fluid. She also had.

an alarming body temperature at 82.1. degrees Fahrenheit, which is dangerously. low and it has become a very crucial. part of this case, at least in terms of. internet discourse. This 82.1° F, just. wait for the upcoming episodes because. the amount of times I'm going to say. 82.1° F is astronomical. Hypothermia. starts at below 95°. Once you start. hitting below 89°, you usually have. increased impaired consciousness, slow.

breathing, pulse, reduced, you know, shivering. And below 86°, hypothermia. induced cardiac arrest becomes a major. concern. And usually once you start. dipping below that 82°ree mark, most. patients are unconscious, no longer. shivering, and could be heading into. severe profound hypothermia territory, which would be survivable, but you. really can't predict any long-term. effects of being at that low body. temperature. So, it's it's tricky. The. extent of the injuries and the different. types of injuries is puzzling. When.

Lindsay is brought into Southshore, she. has cuts on her wrist and neck. She has. major spinal injuries. She wasn't in a. car crash. And even if she was, it. wouldn't explain the cuts or the fact. that she's at such a low, dangerously. low core body temperature. She's not in. a profession that would explain it. either. Not that I think that there. would be one, but she used to be a. nurse. >> And I'm Lindsay Musgrove. I'm a new. graduate nurse. >> She's a labor and delivery nurse at Mass. General Hospital where she would even.

keep these detailed notes of the very. first deliveries that she ever assisted. with. The first entry reads, "May 11th, 2015. Spontaneous labor admitted. admission epidural, no augmentation, pushed 5 minutes. Kora." So Kora is the. first baby that she helped deliver, which she named the oldest of her three. kids, Kora, after the first baby she. helped deliver. >> So what the hell happened? She's a mom. of three. She's got three kids. Former. labor and delivery nurse. The whole. family lives in Dubberry, Massachusetts,

which some locals have nicknamed. Deluxeberry. It's a very high-end. community. So, to be in this physical. condition that Lindsay is brought in, clearly something very bad happened. She. has to be medflighted. Southshore is a. level two trauma center. She has to be. medflighted to Boston's Bigham and. Women's, a level one trauma center, where outside her hospital room, while. she's connected to tubes and monitors, there will be two police officers. stationed. Because Lindsay Clancy stands.

accused of killing her three children, 5-year-old Kora, three-year-old Dawson, and eight-month-old Callum, and then. attempting to self-exit herself. October. 24th, 2024, the New Yorker releases a. narrative profile. >> October 24, this is the year of. >> the next year. So, she's wheeled into. the hospital. The date of the incident. is January 24th, 2023. Now, a year almost 2 years later, October 24th, 2024, The New Yorker.

releases a narrative profile on Patrick. Clancy, Lindseay Clancy's husband and. the father of the three children that. were killed on January 24th, almost 2. years before. They were found dead in. the basement of the Clansancy home, and. Lindsay Clancy was found outside in the. backyard with cuts on her wrist and her. neck, as well as severe spinal. fractures. The article title is a. husband in the aftermath of his wife's. unfathomable act. It reads in part, "Pat.

loves to talk about his children, but. dreads having to explain what happened. On January 24th, 2023, he stepped out of. the house in Dubberry, Massachusetts to. pick up his children's medicine and a. takeout dinner order. When he returned. less than an hour later, Lindsay lay. semi-conscious in the backyard, having. cut her neck and wrist and thrown. herself from their bedroom window, second floor window. She left the. children strangled in the basement. Cora. and Dawson were pronounced dead that. night, and Callum was airlifted to a.

hospital where he died a few days later. That was from January 24th, 2023. And so. from there to October 24th, 2024, a lot. has transpired. This case progresses. really quick. The next day, January. 25th, 2023, while Lindsay is still. intubated in the hospital, the. Commonwealth Plymouth District releases. a statement. Murder complaint issued for. women in deaths of children in Duxberry. At approximately 6:11 p.m. last evening, Dubberry police received a 911 call for.

a report of a suspected attempted. self-exit resident who had jumped from a. window at a home. First responders. subsequently located three children in. the basement under the ages of five, unconscious and with obvious signs of. severe trauma. As a result of. information gathered during the ongoing. investigation, detectives developed. probable cause and today sought and. obtained an arrest warrant out of. Plymouth District Court charging. 32-year-old Lindseay Clansancy, the. mother of her children, with their. homicides. Lindsay Clancy is being.

treated at a Boston hospital. As soon as. able, she will be arraigned on two later. three charges of murder in the deaths of. her children. This is an act of an. ongoing investigation by MSP and. Ducksberry police. This is the day after. she's brought into the hospital, which. is kind of a contentious point for a lot. of people online because if Lindsay is. in the hospital barely conscious, how. did the Dubberry police investigate. thoroughly enough to charge her for. murder? However, others argue that the. investigation doesn't just stop because. there's an arrest warrant issued.

However, the push back to that sentiment. is well likely the investigation is. headed down a particular path without. straying much off of that particular. path once there is an arrest warrant. And then two days after that, so 2 days. after the arrest warrant is publicized, Patrick Clancy comes out with a GoFundMe. page to help pay for medical bills and. funeral expenses for his three children. But more than that, he publicly forgives. his wife for allegedly killing their. children. The statement in the GoFundMe. reads in part, and we're going to go.

through the full statement later in a. different episode. I want to share some. thoughts about Lindsay. She's recently. been portrayed largely by people who. have never met her and never knew who. the real Lindsay was. Our marriage was. wonderful and diametrically grew. stronger as her condition rapidly. worsened. I took as much pride in being. her husband as I did in being a father. and felt persistently lucky to have her. in my life. We habitually started every. morning with a passionate hug, yielding. a sigh of relief, like we had each. received the perfect medicine. If too. much time had passed without a hug,

she'd look at me and ask, "Did you. forget?" We mutually understood the. reality that people can have bad days, but we stuck to the rule that when one. of us got lost, the other was always. there to bring them home. Always. She. loved being a nurse, but nothing matched. her intense love for our kids and. dedication to being a mother. It was all. she ever wanted. Her passion taught me. how to be a better father. I want to ask. all of you that you find it deep within. yourselves to forgive Lindsay as I have. The real Lindsay was generously loving.

and caring towards everyone, me, our. kids, family, friends, and her patients. The very fibers of her soul are loving. All I wish for her now is that she can. somehow find peace. He says in the New. York piece, "I wasn't married to a. monster. I was married to someone who. got sick." Patrick is obviously a very. big part of this case, but he's also. become a very big part of the. conversation online. A very. controversial piece of the puzzle that. the internet is trying to piece. together. But this first episode is not. really about Patrick. We're going to get.

into the depths of Patrick in like part. two, part three because there's just so. much ground to cover in terms of what. everybody has been saying online and. then public statements that have been. made and people pointing out. discrepancies and all of those things. But this episode is more so getting the. lay of the land before we start digging. deeper. And usually with most cases, no. matter how complicated, the only way to. dig is just straight down. And. sometimes, yeah, it does keep getting. deeper and sometimes it just stops. With. this one, I feel like you could dig. sideways and find something or you could.

get up and walk 50 ft and start digging. at a random new site and find something. else. Everything has become discourse in. this case. Like the kind of potentially. slightly atrocious bows that one of the. prosecutors has been wearing in her hair. has become discourse. >> Really, >> they are pretty big bows, I will say. Um, they're not hair ribbons used to tie. your hair. They're like big bows. Some. people have described and likened them. to Disney bows. Others say they're like.

Jojo Siwa bows. Just like big bold. fashion statements. It does not appear. that the prosecutor is a bow person. And. maybe she is. I haven't been to her. other trials, but like maybe she is. But. she does not wear the bow naturally. It. does not appear to be like second skin. for her. However, she makes it a point. that the oldest Clancy child, Kora, was. a big fan of bows, always wore bows in. her hair. >> Oh, >> but that's also become a point of. contention where people are kind of. duking it out online. So, you have.

people who absolutely hate Lindsay. Clancy and want to see her rot in prison. for the rest of her life. and they think. that if one of the prosecutors can bring. justice, that's all they want. And. Lindsay deserves to see this bow in the. prosecutor's hair for the rest of time. Now, the people who think that Lindsay. either was suffering from postpartum. psychosis or perhaps they think that. she's not guilty at all, they think that. it's. >> this is a lot. >> And the argument has been on TikTok that. 5-year-olds don't put bows in their. hair. You know who puts bows in their.

hair? Their mothers. Their mothers do. their hair. They comb their hair. they. put a big bow in their hair for them. So, it's become like you can you can go. down every argument and find that it's. 10 layers deep and then in the comments. everybody loses all depth and nuance and. it just becomes a big fight. But the bow. conversation has become a thing. She. doesn't wear it every day, the. prosecutor, but she does wear it. frequently enough to the point that the. internet has taken notice and has. started photoshopping all sorts of. different bows in her hair. They'll. photoshop a bow the size of her head.

There's some AI slop with her giving her. opening statement with a bow that's. bigger than her face. People are poking. fun at how ridiculous it is. And I will. say some people think that it's. ridiculous that the prosecutors are. being ripped apart for their appearance, their hair grooming, their hair and. makeup, even their clothing, with some. arguing that with the trial, it seems. like nobody is talking about the kids. And if one of the prosecutors wants to. wear bows in her hair to keep the focus. on the kids, then is that really a bad. thing? One person says people only. dislike it because they don't find her.

conventionally attractive. Others say, "How is there something wrong with the. bows if she's just trying to support the. babies?" One person said she wears them. in honor of Ka who loved bows. Maybe as. adults we can cut her some slack. However, I will say a good majority or a. good chunk of people, they don't like. the bows. They want the bows to burn or. at least put them at the very bottom of. a drawer in the dresser to be forgotten. Don't bring the bows to court. One. person comments, "I'm a prosecutor. I. would not be wearing a hair bow for. trial. As a tribute to a young deceased.

victim, I have worn their favorite. color, but I don't say anything about. it. I don't point it out to the jurors. and no one would have known but her. family, the victim's family." You also. have the extreme anti-bo groups which. think that not only is it distasteful, it feels like it just comes across cheap. to the jurors speculating. I think this. backfired. It made her seem. unprofessional. I understand what she's. trying to do, but it just came off. gross. Others say, "It feels. performative and emotionally. manipulated. If I was on that jury, that. bow would have pissed me the off.".

One person comments, "The prosecutor in. the Lindsy Clansancy case is wearing his. this huge white Jojo Siwaesque bow in. her hair, and it's pissing me off." To. which someone comments, "A mother. murdered her three babies, and you're. bothered by a hair bow." Now, side note, I will say I'm trying to do my best to. keep my language as objective and. neutral as possible when describing. everything. But obviously, I'm human and. sometimes my opinion and sentiment seep. through. But I do want to clarify in. most cases, it's easy to fall into the. prosecution equals justice for the. victims in that thought process because.

that is what it feels like in most. cases. The prosecutors are defending the. victims and the defense are defending. well the defendant. And I don't know if. this is one of those cleancut examples. for this case, but I have seen people. online who think that if anyone says. anything remotely critical about the. prosecution or the way they lawyer, that. must mean that they think the defense is. better. Not better in the sense of. lawyering, but the defense's argument is. better or and vice versa. People who. critique the defense, that must mean.

that they agree with the prosecution and. she should get life in prison. >> So, you can critique both sides. >> Yeah. I just don't think that's. necessarily true. I mean, both parties, the prosecutors and the defense, are. doing some intense lying in this case, and just because there is criticism. towards one side does not mean you're. aligned with the other side. So, with. that being said, I think the Bose should. have stayed home. I think perhaps they. could have made a small appearance. during closing arguments where there's. like a clearly dedicated portion for the. prosecutors to explain the bow in her. hair for this final day of trial and how.

that relates to Ka. I have no way of. knowing what jurors thought about the. bows, but I can see the argument that it. could come off performative. But also. maybe the argument that is it really. that important in the grand scheme of. things. I say maybe because there is. research out there that jurors do. subconsciously take into consideration. the general appearance and grooming of. council to form opinions. Well, to form. impressions, but how much of that. impacts deliberations and verdicts. limited and mixed research, right? All I.

can say is it's not just like an empty. conversation about a female prosecutor's. attire for no reason at all. However, I. do need to mention it since it is a big. topic of discussion. Now, aside from. obviously the defendant Lindseay Clancy. and witnesses, there are about four. other people in the courtroom that we. really need to get familiar with. You. have Judge Sullivan, which we're going. to go in depth on Judge Sullivan later. and all the online rumors that he's. connected to Patrick in some sort of. relational way. More on that later. But.

also, one thing to know about Judge. Sullivan is he did preside over another. similar case that was overturned. Yeah, more on that later. But every individual. in this case seems to add more. complications to the online. conversation. So, you have Judge. Sullivan. Then on the Commonwealth side, you have Jennifer Sprag. She is not the. bow prosecutor. She's actually the more. senior of the two. She's been at the. Plymouth County's DA's office for over. 20 years. She supervises all homicide, firearms, and narcotic prosecutions out.

of the Brockton office. And according to. the Patriot Ledge, she has tried 28. homicide cases and more than 40 superior. court cases, as well as hundreds of. district court cases. She seems to be. considered the better communicator of. the two DAs. Which again, I do want to preface. I. think prosecutors have an incredibly. difficult job and without them, their. long hours, probably grossly underpaid. long hours. Our justice system would. crumble. However, I think it's okay to.

point out certain luring styles and. prosecutors that are just weird. And uh. I would say I would say the two. prosecutors on this case are not the. best. >> Yeah. They're not incredibly likable. they always seem a bit on edge and. underprepared and sometimes their line. of questioning just confused me in a bad. way. It's also the way that their case. and chief is presented. So the. prosecutors, they go first. So the way I. mean jurors aren't supposed to be online. reading deep dives in this case. Meaning. the Commonwealth has to introduce.

witnesses in a way that essentially. flows that jurors get a surface level. understanding than a deeper level. understanding and it goes deeper and. deeper and the way that the witnesses. are called to the stand. Obviously, there's scheduling issues, but it just. works in a way where the whole story, the through line is easier to. understand, but they just kind of. randomly bring in the medical examiner. and then, oh, here's this woman who like. worked at the gym that Lindsay used to. go to. And then now back to an officer. from the initial crime scene. It just. felt a little bit disjointed. That has. nothing to do with the case itself. But.

again, you are talking about this is the. presentation to the jurors who. ultimately will be deciding the verdict. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I know like we're. saying Karen Reed's case also is from. Massachusetts. Are there any connection. with this DA's office or. >> uh not the DA's office per se, but there. is a strong connection with the. Massachusetts State Police, the MSP, and. the state troopers. >> Yeah. And there are there was one. individual, I think, that worked on the. case that also worked on Karen Reed's.

case, but he was not he's not. particularly like the most enlightening. like I don't think that he did big I. don't think he led the case but there. were multiple times where I had to. double check names where I was like wait. that sounds like a familiar name. There. was this one guy who said that he was. trained at the MSP under um Sergeant. Keefe, not Jon O'Keefe, but there was. another Keefe that testified at Karen's. trial, >> Connor Keefe. So I was like is this. Sergeant Keefe? But turns out it's. Edward Keefe. It was like a whole thing. So every single one I was like. cross-checking especially if they worked.

at MSP. But. >> so not a strong connection. >> Not strong but strong in the sense of I. think everyone in Massachusetts and. probably nationwide has a very strong. feeling of these trials that are coming. out of Massachusetts and the. investigation work. I think the strong. connection is people are not happy with. the low-level in our opinion, my opinion. personally, low-level investigation work. for the Karen Reed trial and the Karen. Reed case as well as this case. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Okay.

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basically helping train other. prosecutors, which I'm sure a lot of. people took a lot of issue with. considering, again, people really hate. this investigation into this case. They. think it was handled incredibly poorly. However, Jennifer Sprag is probably the. better of the two when it comes to. communication and asking witnesses. questions. She is first chair. She does. have a lot more experience in the DA's. office. And then you have Buckingham, the prosecutor. She's the one that wears.

the bows in her hair. She's also the. chief of the family protection unit at. the DA's office. And she is known on. TikTok in part for saying um a lot. This. is again part of the online discourse. and that's why we're covering it. Not. because we think. >> she's saying a lot of um. >> just um so okay. >> Yeah. And I I mean I would never bring. it up if I'm also you know just to give. another preface. It is part of the. online discourse. That's why I bring it. up. I don't think it's as important as. the actual facts of the case. But both. the prosecutors have been nicknamed by a.

lot on TikTok as um and um because of. the persistent use of filler words. during pretty simple lines of. questioning of their own witnesses. I. think everybody uses filler words and. there could be neurological reasons that. one cannot help but use filler words. So. I don't think it's nice to judge based. off of that. But I do think when. effective communication is part of the. career, maybe it's fair game to be. called out. I really don't know. And. again, there are many out there that. argue that Sprag and Buckingham are the. ones in court trying to get justice for. the three children. And they're pushing. back saying, "Are we really going to.

call them um and u when they're the only. ones trying to get justice?" And then of. course people push back saying, "What is. justice to you?" You know, is justice. putting a woman who was suffering from. postpartum psychosis and putting targets. on other mom's backs? You know, it's a. we can go down for days. We can do this. until the cows come home. Right now, since we're on the topic of the DA's. office, District Attorney for Plymouth. County is Tim Cruz. He's a Republican. prosecutor who's held office for nearly. 25 years. He's obviously not in the. courtroom lawyering. He is in the. courtroom frequently, especially during.

like opening statements, but he does. play a big role in this whole case. because it's really his call. >> That's why DAs are very important. because it's their call whether they try. the case and what for. He could have. tried this case for first-degree murder, which is exactly what he did. He could. have also tried it for seconddegree. murder, or he could have negotiated a. plea for a lesser charge. Now, side. note, it's interesting because neither. Patrick nor any of the grandparents on. either side have publicly asked the DA.

not to charge Lindsay. And yes, everyone has their opinions on. Patrick, but for Patrick's parents, Lindsay's parents, and for Patrick to. not ask her to be charged, not that it. would be up to the family members, it's. up to the DA. >> You're saying they as they didn't ask. them not to charge. >> Yes. But all of the statements that they. have publicly made lean towards they did. not want Lindsay to be charged. >> Okay. Okay. I see what you're saying. >> So they don't say, "Hey, we don't want. her charged." Yeah. >> But every statement that they have leans.

towards they don't want a trial. They. don't want a retrial. They don't want to. go through this again. And again, you. can have your sentiments about all of. the individuals, right? But I'm just. saying like this is the conversation. with Tim Cruz. This is not a. conversation about Patrick right now. Like hold off, we're getting to Patrick. But this is a conversation about Tim. Cruz. >> Yeah. So he's the one that's like. putting fist down and going after this. >> And I think netzens, you know, with the. argument existing of postpartum. psychosis, I guess a lot of nizens were. shocked that this actually even did go. into to trial instead of a plea deal or. even a seconddegree murder charge. So.

what happens in the state of. Massachusetts, if Lindsay had been. charged with seconddegree murder, she. can opt for a bench trial, right? So she. can ask the judge who might, you know, and not it's just a lot of people in. Massachusetts who are charged with. postpartum crimes, if you will, not that. there's a lot, but they will opt for. seconddegree murder. The DA will charge. them with second degree murder and then. they'll opt for a bench trial cuz it's a. lot of medical testimony. It's a lot. And then to have the families go through.

it, it's a little maybe it's a little. more private with a bench trial. But um. I guess a lot of people were just. shocked that there wasn't even a plea. deal, which side note, Tim Cruz is. running for reelection in November of. this year. But he is running unopposed. So there is that. And while the internet. has a lot of feelings about Patrick, a. lot of legal experts have chimed in. about Tim Cruz and the charges, some are. saying it's kind of weird because so. Patrick Clancy is not a hostile witness. So he did not interfere with the trial. He came, he testified. he wasn't being.

hostile when he was on the stand and he. hasn't said anything outright that he. doesn't want Lindsay to be tried. But. again, all of his statements point to. the fact that he probably doesn't. One. former prosecutor voices out, I mean, at. that point, when the victim's family. isn't on board with the prosecution, you. turn back and you say, "Well, who are. you doing this for then?" I know I'm. quite annoying. I just really hate. misunderstandings. But once again, that's not me telling you that Lindsay. should or should not be charged. That is. me kind of showcasing the sentiment.

online, factoring in trials are. expensive. Taxpayers are the ones. footing the bill. People are opinionated. and a lot of legal experts think that. she was overcharged. >> And that's a legal standpoint, not a. personal standpoint of like, well, she. was a mother who, you know, not a. medical standpoint. It was just like. legally they think it was overcharging. Then on the defense, you have Kevin. Readington. Supporters call him Big Red. People who can't stand him call him mean. and theatrical. So, it's just kind of. he's definitely charismatic. I will give.

him that. And it's he does seem to know. how to hold the courtroom. He also has. the advantage of being an old man, which. means that when he gets annoyed, it. comes off more cranky grandpa in the. courtroom, whereas someone younger and. especially a female attorney, regardless. of age, would not be able to pull that. off. So, I do see discourse of the. internet disparity between the. prosecutors and Kevin Readington. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's in his 70s. and apparently he has a shoulder tattoo.

that reads in Latin never represent an. informant which is a very professional. fancy way of saying snitches get. stitches. I would argue that his. reputation for having some dramatic. courtroom displays is understated. He's. quite the dramatic man. He loves a good. blowup Staples printed out exhibit. You. want a copy of it? Here's a billboard. size of it. Let me put it on the stand. He is objectively I think a great trial. attorney. One of his biggest cases was. he represented a woman who was accused. of killing her boyfriend by stabbing his.

eyes out with steak knives, which seems. like a shot and done case. However, Readington argued that the defendant and. her daughter had been abused by this. boyfriend for years and that she had. suffered from delusional psychosis and. PTSD that results all from battered. woman syndrome because of the abuse. This was actually one of the first cases. to successfully use this defense. >> Wow. >> And she was acquitted. Wow. >> So, he's undeniably, I would say, pretty. good at his job, but he is still a. criminal defense attorney. So, take that.

as you will. I think Readington is kind. of getting the Allen Jackson Brian Steel. treatment on social media where just. because they represented one or two. clients that people think should be. found not guilty, they've kind of made. these people out to be puppy saviors and. then nizens are shocked to realize that. they actually have a whole list of other. clients that you probably do want to be. thrown in prison forever. Mhm. >> So, it's kind of this weird thing online. that's happening, but alas, this is. their job. I imagine they get paid a. pretty penny doing it. And weird.

unrelated crossover. But in the very. early stages of the Karen Reed trials, Kevin Readington represented Jen McCabe. during the pre-trial stages. So, when. she was, I believe, subpoenaed by the. grand jury. Yeah. >> What happened? Why is it. >> Well, he's a criminal defense attorney, so everything has gone civil now. >> Oh. Oh. Oh. So he does not represent her. right now, but a lot of Karen Reed. crossovers that are like loose. Yeah. So. those are the main ones. Judge Sullivan, Prosecutor Sprag, Prosecutor Buckingham, DA Tim Cruz, and defense attorney Kevin.

Readington. >> So Reington is doing everything himself. >> Yeah. And apparently he's a sole. practitioner. So he. >> No way. >> Yeah. I don't think there's other big. attorneys in his firm. He said that he. really only has his son, also named. Patrick, who just fetches his coffees. here and there. That's so interesting. >> And his wife is a nurse. >> Yeah. A nurse. So everyone there's a lot. of Yeah. >> Wow. >> But he's in his 70s and he's kind of. doing the whole thing. And he's he's. very um Another thing when you watch the.

trial, he's very good with his facial. expressions. He kind of reminds me of Mark Agnil. >> in that like older teddy bear man. aesthetic which I think does play to the. jurors really well. He seems a bit more. aggressive than Mark Agnif um just in. his cadence but I'm sure they're both. sharks right now. July 27th 2026. prosecutor Buckingham the one with the. bows walks up to the podium in front of.

the jurors. She's wearing black and she. has a matching black bow in her hair. The Commonwealth opens up their opening. statements almost abruptly. And this is. like a huge, you know what, this is like. a side tangent that I have, right? I. think opening statements, I don't know. why prosecutors do not focus on opening. statements as much as the defense does. And maybe it has to do with their case. load. Maybe they really are just so. overworked and underpaid. So, there's so. much grace that you have to give there. However, opening statements are the.

juror's first reactions to the case and. chief of both parties. This is the first. impression of all first impressions. The. judge does remind the jurors that. nothing in the opening statement should. be taken as fact, but it's just to lay. the groundwork of the case that each. opposing council is going to present to. the jurors. And it just the prosecutor's. open so abruptly. She gets up there. She. doesn't even say hi to the jurors. She. doesn't do anything. She just goes, "Ka. had just turned five. I'm going to now. see if the Comwalth is prepared uh to.

give their opening statements. Come. bucking. I'm sorry. >> Thank you, your honor. Cora, she had just turned five. >> Yeah, it's like it kind of took me by. surprise. I didn't know she was. starting. She was sweet, silly, smart. She loved sparkly dresses and wearing. bows in her hair. She loved princesses. and baby dolls. She even tried to. convince her preschool teachers at the. beginning that her name was Sophia. because she loved the Disney character. Sophia so very much. Dawson, he was.

three, a boy's boy. He was a bit. rambunctious, bit funny, full of energy. He loved trucks, construction trucks, fire trucks, and he spoke with a raspy. little voice. Callum was just 8 months. old, always smiling with chunky cheeks, a sweet little baby. We are here, ladies. and gentlemen, because they are not. They were strangled, deliberately, and. meticulously killed by this defendant on. January 24th of 2023. One by one, she. wrapped exercise bands around each one.

of the kids' necks and pulled until. their little bodies were limp and. lifeless. First Dawson, then Kora, and. finally Ken. The Commonwealth asks that. while the jurors hear testimony coming. from a lot of people that they quote, "We ask that you keep an open mind when. you're hearing this evidence." And. during the course of the trial, don't. forget to use your common sense and your. life experience. So, the Commonwealth, they start laying out their case and. they argue that Lindsay Clansancy was. not suffering from postpartum psychosis. and that she had planned all of this.

They argue that Patrick Clansancy, the. husband, works from home. But that. specific day, January 24th, 2023, Lindsay had asked Patrick to go get. takeout for them from a restaurant. called 3V, which they have eaten at 3V. before, but this will be the first time. that they do takeout from 3V, which they. also mention is a few minutes further. than their normal to- go spots, takeout. spots. So, it's almost like insinuating. she sent him further to grab dinner. >> Patrick needs to also stop by CVS on the.

way home to pick up meds for Kora. And. prosecutor Buckingham says that's when. the clock starts, ladies and gentlemen. >> That's when the clock starts, ladies and. gentlemen. >> The defendant knows Patrick has to stop. at CVS, go to 3V. She knows it's. approximately how much time she has for. him to go there and come back. She then. takes the children down into the. basement. She separates Dawson from Ka. and Ken. Then she proceeds to wrap. exercise bands around each child's neck. and pull until they're dead. She leaves. the bands wrapped around each child's.

neck and goes back upstairs in the. kitchen. She gets a knife and then. proceeds to the second floor of the. home. In the middle of all of this, she. misses a call from Patrick. He's at CVS. He misses the call. She calls him right. back and they talk for 13 seconds. Nothing that she does or says in that. phone call is of concern to Patrick. Seeing like Patrick doesn't notice. anything is off. The Commonwealth. continues to argue. She goes to the. second floor master bedroom, locks the. door, crushes up some pills, and. attempts to take her own life. She uses.

the knife that she got in the kitchen to. slash her wrist and her neck. She moves. the bed away from the wall, away from. the window. She opens the window and. goes out. She lands on the cold, hard. ground. Shortly thereafter, around 6. p.m., Patrick comes home. He's got the. takeout bag, the CVS bag with the. medicine. He enters into the house. through the mudroom door into the. kitchen area, places the bags down, eerily quiet. He calls to the kids, no. answer. He calls to the defendant, no. answer. He takes his phone and dials the.

number for Lindsay's phone, the. defendant's phone, no answer. He then. goes upstairs and finds the master. bedroom door locked. He opens it and. enters the room, sees blood and the. window open. He then goes to the. backyard and that's where he finds the. defendant. She's on the ground outside. the window moaning and mumbling. At 6:11. p.m., he calls for 911 for help. I I. think the opening statements were just. very weird. The Commonwealth says that. once first responders arrived to the. house, Patrick says he needs to go find. the kids, that Lindsay had told him.

where the kids were and that they were. in the basement. So, just indicating. that the kids were I guess the. insinuation being like they're alive in. the basement. The Commonwealth says so. then he went in the house. That's the. first place he went down in the. basement. He's still on the phone with. 911 when he finds each child with an. exercise band still wrapped around their. neck. He screams for help and he says. she killed the kids. The Commonwealth. says, "We expect during the course of. this trial that you'll hear that the. defendant made claims that either right. after Patrick left the house or after he.

called her from the CVS, depending on. which version of the events she's. telling, she heard a voice, a male. voice, a voice that she had never heard. before, a voice that she never heard. again. And that voice told her that it. was her last chance that she had to kill. the kids so that she could self-exit. She immediately took action when she. heard the voice with no direction or. details from the so-called voice and. killed the children. Once she killed the. children, the voice stopped. This was. not a woman in the throws of psychosis. on January 24th, 2023.

>> This was a woman who acted. intentionally, rationally, and swiftly. to accomplish a very specific goal to. kill. The evidence will show you she was. not psychotic that day. Throughout the. evidence in this trial, you'll learn. about the defendant being the classic. overachiever in school, in her personal. life, in her nursing career. She was. someone who liked to control every. little detail of her life, of her. family's life. In contrast to pictures. you'll see of the doing mother, the. dedicated nurse. You'll see a side of. Lindsay Clansancy that's different. Somebody extremely controlling,

meticulous, and manipulative. >> Oh, so they're premeditated, evil. That's what they are going for. >> A lot of people think that they like. just in a legal sense of lawyering. sense, people think this was bad. A lot. of lawyers, prosecutors have been. commenting on this case online. So, take. it as you will, but from what I've seen, a lot of them think, hey, it's one thing. to want to get her for first degree. It's another thing to call her. manipulative, controlling, meticulous.

And when you present these types of. words during the opening statements, the. jurors are waiting for you to back it up. >> and they don't back it up. I do think. that the prosecutor's opening statements. and later their case and chief, I think. they really missed the point. They. overdid it. They exaggerated at some. points. She says the days were laid out. with specificity. >> Strict schedules were expected to be. maintained. Food was planned carefully.

Sleep was scheduled to the minute. >> I again was expecting a military mom. Someone who is authoritarian, is like. maybe even spanking kids when they don't. go to sleep at 9:00 p.m. like on the. dot. Like something so intense where I. would feel suffocated. But all of the. evidence that they laid out was Lindsay. being like, "Oh, well, he hasn't been. taking the bottle and I'm trying to do. the sleep training so that he's getting. enough hours in and like when he's not.

sleeping, he's tired." And she's like. planning and revolving her own life. around the kids. It actually seemed like. an overachieving mom and not a dictator, which is kind of how they present her. So, it was um I think not a great move, not a great opening statement, but they. continue that Lindsay was doing well. after giving birth to Ken. It was when. Patrick went back to work after. paternity leave that she no longer had. the nanny to help. So, she also makes it.

seem like Lindsay is obsessed with the. nanny doing laundry. Like, that was a. whole thing actually. The nanny comes to. the stand and the prosecutors are later. like, "Didn't she make you do not call. Kalen chores? like you had to do laundry. and she's like, "Yeah, but we agreed on. it." It was like a whole We'll get. there. We'll get there. I'm getting. ahead of myself. I'm jumping the gun. But she says she no longer had a nanny. to watch the baby do laundry. I think. they're trying to appeal to the fact. that Lindsay Clancy had some sort of. help. >> by saying that solely. Yeah. And when.

you maybe have um you know just looking. at the juror makeup, when you have a. little bit of older women as well, you. know, when you have older generations, sometimes the sentiment is there of like. these young kids have it so easy when I. was raising you, you know, so I think. maybe she's trying to appeal to that, but it clearly didn't work necessarily. in their favor. She says tidy up the. house, follow her schedule when she was. responsible for it all. It was hard. It. was hard for her to maintain that.

control. It was hard for her to bond. with her kids. And in efforts to. maintain control, she withheld. information from her husband, from her. doctors. She reported serious symptoms. that were inconsistent with her daily. activities. You'll hear and ultimately. on January 24th, 2023, the defendant. made a calculated decision. And again, this is just me pointing out the opening. statement and not so much the case. itself. But again, I do think opening. statements are incredibly valuable to. the jurors. When they say calculated. decision, it's hard to not notice the.

inongruity with the fact that the. self-exit attempt was less than. calculated. It was if it's more frantic. than anything. The pills, the knife, the. window. Nothing about that seems. calculated. >> Yeah. Like pre-planned. >> Yeah. To the tea of like this is the. perfect plan. I'm going to get away with. it or I'm going to execute the plan. It. just the word choices are a little. unfortunate, I think. She continues,

"This was a woman who no longer liked. the life she thought she wanted. It was. getting harder and harder to control, and she saw the opportunity to escape. She made the selfish choice to take it. and to take Kora Dawson and Ken first. before attempting to self-exit." They. end it with a statement, if you will. This is not a public debate about. women's mental health and how the. medical system treats women. There is no. dispute that she was dealing with mental. health issues during this time prior to. the murders. The evidence will show that. this defendant had a means and access to. mental health that most people don't.

And she chose to deal with her mental. health issues in the worst way. She. chose to manipulate her providers, seek. out the quick and easy fix when she was. feeling depressed and anxious. And when. she didn't get what she expected, she. chose an alternate route. She sought a. different doctor. She changed. medications after days. She disengaged. from treatment when she didn't like the. plan. Ladies and gentlemen, people with. mental illness commit crimes every day. and are responsible for them. The fact. that someone may suffer or have a mental. illness or a mental disease or defect is.

not the end of the inquiry when it comes. to guilt or innocence. Within the first. few minutes of the opening statements. from the Commonwealth, Lindsay appears. to be crying. Her shoulders are shaking. and she is wiping her eyes. And so far, from what I have witnessed, it does. appear that Lindsay Clancy is one of the. more emotional defendants. Take that as. you will. Some people think that is. genuine emotion coming through. Other. people think it's a show and an act. So. even that's to be debated. From what we. have witnessed so far, aside from maybe.

David Burke's no longer attorney, Blair. Burke, aside from them, a lot of these. like well-known, bigger, more seasoned. trial attorneys, the defense attorneys. typically are better orators. I'm not. saying better lawyers. I'm just saying. from what I've experienced, better. aators than the prosecutors from what. I've seen. And that's probably why they. get paid a lot. And Readington plays. kind of right into that. He's a bit more. charismatic. He starts his opening. statements spending at least, I want to.

say, like four minutes directly. addressing the jurors, thanking them for. taking on such a big responsibility for. their oath, for leaving their families. and work behind to come to court every. single day. And then he just starts. swinging left and right. Whether it. lands, I guess, is up for you to decide. He states strongly, "Government says. that this was not a referendum on women. having babies and having postpartum. psychosis, postpartum depression, but it. sure as hell is." He points to the DA. So, he's not sitting at the council. table because he's just the DA. He's not.

uh Yeah, he's in the front row, first. row. He points at Tim Cruz. Tim Cruz, the DA. >> right in the front row, brought this. charge. He knew, as did his office, the. facts of this case. And he knew when he. brought this charge that it was going to. kill the soul of this young woman. >> They brought this charge. Tim Cruz, the. DA right in the front row brought this. charge. He knew, as did his office, the. facts of this case, and he knew when he. brought this charge that it was going to. kill the soul of this young woman.

>> Now, people have opinions about this. opening statement because it's centering. Lindsay Clancy and her soul being. killed. >> So, that's, you know, up for debate as. well. He says she loved her children. All those things that the DA said to you. about those little kids and their lives. and what they liked, >> what they like, she knows a thousand. times more than what they know. >> He says that the jurors will see videos. of the house. You'll see in every room. There are things hanging on the walls, alphabets, colors, numbers, pictures of. different cartoon characters. There was.

no dining room. So, they didn't have a. dining room. It was more of like a. playroom. So, they converted the dining. room into a giant playroom. It was a. large thing for the baby to be in and. then surrounded by toys. Every single. room had toys in it. These children were. loved and nurtured and cared for by her. She didn't want to get rid of her kids. because of her selfish life. As the. government indicates, she loved those. children right up to the time of their. death. Readington goes on to explain to. the jurors that they're going to see. evidence that Lindsay was dealing with. severe mental health breaks and that she.

was trying desperately to get help. Quote, "She was looking into it. You're. going to see her Google searches. You're. going to see her Google searches go on. and on and on about how to take care of. postpartum. What type of drugs can you. get addicted to? Benzoazipines. Is it. possible to have a treatment? A ketamine. treatment. What What do I do as far as. insomnia? What do I do about my thoughts. of self-exit? Ways to kill. How do you. kill? What What do you do to kill? Government latches on to that. Oh my. god, she's looking for ways to kill. Let's make that the basis of our. prosecution on this case. This is not a.

righteous prosecution. They're looking. for every single piece of evidence that. they can to show some ridiculous concept. that she wanted to kill her beautiful. kids because she didn't want to be a. mother anymore. This is a woman that was. a nurse. She worked for one of the best. hospitals in the country. She was in. labor and delivery. Kora was named after. the very, very first baby that she. delivered as a nurse in the hospital. That's where the name Kora comes from. This is a woman who did nothing in her. life but dedicate her life to helping. people and being a good person and a. good nurse and a great mom. And as time. went on, looking like anyone else would,

please help me. That's what all this is. about. Gave me help. And consider the. government. They will say, "God, she was. able to talk to people. She wasn't. drooling. She wasn't putting tin foil. inside of a hat when she was going to. the schools. No, she was able to talk to. people. I guess she was fine. She put on. a pretty good face.". He is quite theatrical, so I'm trying to. match his energy. Readington starts. detailing some of the medications. Lindsay was on and prescribed since. September and October, which I'm going. to do like a whole deep dive into the.

medications and postpartum and. everything that she reported to the. doctors in this episode before we get. into the next episode, which is more. dedicated to Patrick and the internet. discourse. So, at this point, this is. what Readington says. At this point, at. the end of November, she's reporting. disassociation and confusion. Things. were so bad at this point that her. mother and father came up from. Connecticut and lived with them to take. care of the kids to help because she was. walking around absolutely a zombie. She. would rock on the sofa, crying. hysterically, banging her head into the.

pillow on the sofa. Patrick will tell. you what he observed with her. Readington argues, "Apparently, according to the opening statement by. the government, she was manipulating the. doctors, not telling the doctors. She. told them that she had thoughts of. self-exit. in December to his and her. ever dying regret told Patrick in the. presence of her mother that she was. having psychosis thoughts of hurting the. children. This is a woman that did not. get the medication, did not get the. medical treatment that she so deserved. This is a woman that was suffering from.

psychosis at the time that she went down. to that basement. She had no motive. She. loves her children. She intended to. self-exit. And probably the biggest statement made. by the defense, a lot of experts argue. Kevin Readington does play into it a lot. is that every day the jurors will walk. in and see Lindsay Clancy sitting in the. wheelchair. And he makes that like kind. of the basis of even the opening. statement is like she wanted to be gone. from life, you know. point. Again, some. people will call it manipulative. Some.

people will call it very I think a lot. of people, depending on maybe their own. life experiences, have vastly different. opinions of criminal defense attorneys. Some people think most criminal defense. attorneys are scum of the earth. Some. people think only the ones getting paid. top dollar to represent scum of the. earth are scum of the earth. Others. think it's a job. Everyone needs a. defense attorney when you need it. It's. kind of how you will think of it. But he. does what the defense attorneys do. You. know, the defense attorneys love to come. and give the defendant a hug, especially.

if the defendant is a man. They love. having a female lawyer give him a hug to. show he's not dangerous. Kevin. Readington does love to pivot his chair. anytime Lindsay is crying so that the. jurors can see her crying. He does love. to move out of his seat at times or move. his rolly chair back so that they can. see her in that wheelchair at very. crucial moments. >> So, I think that is something to note. But with that, now you kind of have a. good idea of what the Commonwealth is. alleging happened and what the defense. is arguing happened. And that is where I.

leave you with the part one of the. Lindsy Clansancy trial. Let me know your. thoughts. Stay safe and I will see you. in the next one.