Korean TikToker w/ 55M Fans Is LYING To Fans About Being Innocent After Being Found GUILTY of SA

[Music]. What do you do when your favorite. creator, YouTuber, TikToker, they just. stop posting? They disappear. There is. no warning. There is no community post. They're just gone. And you think that. maybe they're coming back next week, or. maybe they just need a 2-week break. maximum. But they're gone forever. They. make no updates on any other platform. I. mean, are you convinced that they're. dead? Are you convinced that they've. been kidnapped? Or do you think that. they're just off in the middle of. Montana joining a cult? Usually I would.

say the first two are the natural. internet reactions, especially when the. creator has gone missing for too long. But sometimes the real explanation is. much weirder than all of that. A YouTube channel run by a father and. son by the name of Mac Adventures. Their. main thing is going on their motorcycles. and exploring places that they really. should not be exploring. Like Area 51, the restricted areas. The last video. ever uploaded to their channel is titled. Area 51 camo dudes held us at gunpoint.

again extended version. Which they're. just straight-up vlogging themselves. committing crimes. It's showing them. trespassing past the point of the signs. that read warning, no trespassing, maximum punishment $1,000 fine, 6 months. imprisonment, or both strictly enforced. But they do trespass. They upload the. video, and then they vanish. They. disappear completely. For years, they're just gone. Before. they finally come back with a video, and. this time it's just the son talking, and.

everyone thinks that his entire behavior. is unsettling. It's bizarre. He has. suddenly changed his mind completely to. stating that there really is no. reasonable reason in which anybody. should be going to Area 51 past the. gate. In fact, it's actually boring. There's nothing to see there. There's. nothing there at all. Which are all very. fair valid points. But the way that he's. expressing it is very odd. Because their. entire channel was about exploring Area. 51. It's not like he's saying hey,

listen. When we got in there, we got. fined, we got in trouble. And if you're. watching this, we just want you to know, don't be dumb like us. We didn't even. see anything cool in there. It was. boring, and we lost money, and we almost. went to jail. Don't do it. There's. nothing behind those gates. That's not. what he said. He says if there were. actually people planning to do something. anything past the gate, like. that's just dumb. Like I just I I never. really understood that. And like I don't. really understand this whole raid Area.

51 thing, you know, whether. my or any of the videos that are out. there in the world on Area 51 got. you know, that dude to want to do a raid. or whatever, like. who cares? You know, like I'm not trying. to be mean, but like. who cares what's what's back there, you. know? Like I just. it's a military it's like going to Camp. Pendleton and like saying let's go raid. Camp Pendleton, you know? Like it's just. a military base, and like I'm sure that. they have like testing for like. equipment and like whatever, like cool,

you know? Like that's that's cool, but. like why maybe cuz it's out in the. middle of nowhere, and there's like a. lot of, you know, science fiction and. like movies about it. I don't know. Like. It feels evasive and vague. The whole. time he's recording this video, he keeps. glancing to the side. People say that he. just seems not normal. He seems not like. the son that they remember in all of the. videos when they would explore Area 51. It's going to be great, and we forgot to. get dinner. So Luckily we have some Cliff.

We're going to have some Cliff bars. Yeah, Cliff How old is this son? He looks like he's in his mid to late. 20s. Mhm. And how long was he gone for? They were gone for. >> 2 years. Okay. They're gone for 2 years. And then they upload this very strange, hard to put your finger on video about. Area 51 and how it's boring. And then. they disappear again. And like I said, sometimes when creators go missing. online, it's nothing. Sometimes they're. just mentally burnt out. Or it's just. the worst than all of that. Like July.

3rd, 2023 Mama Guy post what appears to. be his very last TikTok for a long time. Okay, before Mama Guy Yes. Are they just. gone? The the other two are. >> just gone. That's it? >> Mac Adventures is just gone. Nobody. knows what's going on. There's. conspiracy theories, and that's it? We. assume that they're safe. We assume that. they're fine. They said that they sold. their motorcycles because they just. weren't into it anymore, so that was. their main method of transportation and. exploring and the basis of their videos, but they got rid of the motorcycles, so.

there's really no point in making. videos, which then just made everybody. even more suspicious. But I don't think. that they're in jail. I don't think that. they're being held by aliens or any of. that. I think they're okay. But just. what happened in that 2-year span, everybody's got a lot of questions. >> Mhm. And the same thing is happening in. real time right now. July 3rd, 2023 Mama. Boy, Mama Guy whatever you want to call. him. And this guy is going to be very. familiar to you once I start explaining. what he does. But he is someone who has. over 15 million TikTok followers. 50.

million. And he posts what appears to be. his very last TikTok for a very long. time. This is in 2023. If you don't know. Mama Guy Mama Boy he's one of those. TikTok reaction guys. You see someone. doing a hack, like putting a popcorn. kernel in the middle of a hair. straightener, and then watching it pop. And then it's a stitch to a creator. testing it out to see if it works. But. his whole branding, his whole trademark. and why he's called Mama Boy, Mama Guy. by people is when he's scared, impressed, excited he screams like,

Mama! MHM. MAMA! MAMA! MAMA! Korean's calling it like a. really lewd Korean way. Uh Like it's. very perverted sounding. >> Uh-huh. I don't know. I don't think it. comes across as perverted to people who. don't speak Korean. Mhm. But like I. guess in like the Korean humor sense, it's kind of like that like. >> it. lewd Korean humor, very. Yeah. But he's famous. Very famous. Was. he the number one followed or no? He was.

the number one followed on TikTok in. South Korea aside from celebrities like. BTS and Blackpink. So he was number one. influencer in Korea, you can say. But. what's crazy is no one in Korea knows. him. Really? >> Yeah, nobody knows who this guy is. In. fact, he was invited to this massive. award show with Korean celebrities. Korean actors, A-list actors, Korean. idols, and everyone is confused about. who this guy is and why he's acting a. mess on stage. It was weird. That's just. so crazy to think like how big internet.

is now, like TikToks and stuff. You can. have 50 million followers and nobody. knows you outside of it. Cuz I've never. heard of this guy until this. Really? You haven't heard of him? No. >> a few of his videos before. The way that. I would describe his videos is it's. feel-good content. It's the epitome of. brain rot. If your FYP is as depressing. as mine can get, where it's just like a. dark hole of political dysfunction and. what's going on in the world you see his. video and you're like, oh, okay, I guess. the straightener does pop a popcorn.

kernel. And then you move on. But it's. not necessarily riveting. Like you're. not going to go and look for his videos, or at least I don't. He's one of those. people. By 2023, he had over 50 million. followers on TikTok. He was one of the. bigger creators doing this type of. content before he just vanishes. There's. no goodbye. There's no hiatus notice. No. mention of a mental health break. He. just straight-up vanishes. His last. video uploaded is another reaction. video. Like there's no reason for anyone.

to believe that Mama Guy has been. kidnapped by aliens or that something. sinister happened to him at Area 51. He. just is gone after a very normal post. His fans naturally think maybe it was. mental health struggles. But 2 years later in 2025 he comes back. with a statement. It is a long-winded, confusing statement. >> The statement is in text, right? He's. not talking. Okay. No, there was like a. brief TikTok video that he uploaded, but. then it got deleted. Mhm. >> But it wasn't lengthy. It was him like.

bowing and apologizing. It was a mess. It's just text in Korean and in English. He writes, "Hello. To everyone who knows. me, I want to express my deepest. apologies for the disappointment and. hurt that I've caused. I should have. shown you only my best side. But due to. my poor judgment and mistakes, I caused. discomfort to many of you and hurt those. involved. I deeply reflect on my actions. and offer my heartfelt apologies." In. short, he writes, "Since July 2023, I. have fully cooperated with legal. proceedings related to this incident.

After a long and difficult process, I. was found not guilty of the major. charges that were widely reported." A. lot of people are confused at what's. going on even. Like this is a very vague. statement. Like what do you mean that. you were found not guilty? And like what. were the charges? You're being very. vague. He says that the legal process. was long, arduous, terrifying. "At. first, I was overwhelmed by fear. Some. people advised me to admit to the. charges saying it might result in a. lighter sentence even if they weren't. true. But after long and difficult. contemplation, I realized that what I. feared most was not being able to tell.

the truth. Trying to prove something I. haven't done was extremely difficult. I'm truly sorry. And I respectfully tell. you that I am not the man who kicked a. woman in the video. He is a different. person." The video that Mama Guy is. talking about is the viral CCTV video. from a South Korean SA case. It's called. the Busan roundhouse kick case, and. we've actually covered it. In the lobby. of an apartment building, a guy stalks a. girl all the way home. They just made. eye contact on the street. He stalks her. home, approaches her. Before she can.

react, he spins and kicks her straight. in the head. Straight to her skull, knocking her unconscious. He then drags. her to the stairwell area where there. are no cameras so that he can try to. assault her. If you're putting all the. information together based off of his. statement it sounds like he was accused. legally of being the guy in the video. that kicks and SAs that woman. He's. basically being framed for it. He fights. the charges legally. The main charges. are dropped, and he fought to prove his. innocence, but regardless, he's still.

very sad at disappointing his fans for. not being more transparent and for being. gone for the past 2 years. That's a. message that sounds like it's being. delivered, right? If you know nothing about him or if you. know nothing about the case, it would be. understandable that that's exactly what. happened. Except when you look just a. little bit further into it, you realize. nobody really thought that he was the. guy in the CCTV video kicking the woman. Maybe a few TikTok accounts, but this. was not a widespread belief. >> Because that guy was caught, correct?

>> Yeah. Like we talked about it. He was. caught and everything. >> Yeah. And even if you just look at the. figure of both of them, it's not him. Mhm. This is not a widespread belief. Nobody really thought he was the guy in. that video until he posted the apology. statement. I found more comments saying, "Hey guys, remember when everyone. thought he was the guy in the video? He's not." versus "This is the guy in. the video." Yeah. I would say like 95%. of them are these clarification. comments. Crazy. And that's when the.

videos start popping up with people. saying, "See, look, this guy has a. tattoo on his arm in the CCTV camera of. the elevator bay and Mama Guy does not.". It almost feels like Mama Guy is the one. spreading this rumor that people thought. that he was the one in the CCTV video. Which why would he do that? State a. rumor that nobody really believes and. then disprove the rumor that again, nobody really believed in the first. place. Why would he do that? It just. doesn't make any sense. Why bring. attention to it if it's not even true to. begin with and nobody was talking about. it? Well, maybe it's because he's hiding.

something bigger. Maybe what he did is. worse than being accused, falsely. accused, of being the guy in the viral. CCTV video. This is the case of Mama Guy. or Hwang Chan Joong, the Korean TikToker. with 55 million followers who was found. guilty of sexual assault and has now. come back online and convinced his. followers that he's innocent. He's. convinced people to support a fully. convicted rapist so that he can go back.

to posting TikToks. And it worked. And. it's working. [Music]. We would like to thank today's sponsors. who have made it possible for Rotten. Mango to support the Joyful Heart. Foundation. They're working to transform.

society's response to SA, DV, and CA. This episode's partnerships have also. made it possible to support our growing. team and we'd also like to thank you. guys for your continued support. As. always, full show notes are available at. rottenmangopodcast.com. Today's case. involves mentions of SA. Please take. time if this is too much for you and we. had help from our professional Korean. researchers who worked on this case, but. sometimes things don't translate. perfectly with figures of speech, so. please let us know if anything is. missing or mistranslated in the. comments. That said, one big thing that. I want to clear up is that there's a.

rumor that Mama Guy was acquitted and. that is completely, entirely false. That. is not a true statement. He was charged. and he was convicted. This is someone. that has a charge of sexual assault. against a woman on his record. He was. convicted of it. He has been found. guilty of it. There's no question about. his innocence because he is not. innocent. I think the case is crazy. because everyone thinks he's innocent. right now. The whole internet thinks. he's innocent. >> It's so infuriating. I feel like they've. got to be bots or something. >> No, I think people are just taking.

whatever because you said the. information is so limited and nobody. knows anything about this case. It's so. hush-hush. Right? Is that what's going on? >> Yeah, and he's such a blatant. manipulator. He has no shame. He has no. shame at trying to twist words and twist. his apology statement to make it seem. like he's innocent. I genuinely have a. personal, deep-rooted disliking for this. guy and I don't know it it's definitely. not just me because my Korean. researchers and the whole RM team have.

made it our second hobby now aside from. RM. If he ever is trying to do merch, if. he's ever trying to have a video game. because this is what he was planning to. do before he got convicted of SA, oh, you better believe we will be on the. front lines saying something. The way. that he is so blatant about his lies and. manipulation is something that I haven't. even seen before. I feel like you see. celebrities who are accused of crimes. all the time and they try to make all. these stupid statements of how. remorseful they are and it's kind of. annoying because you can tell that.

they're not remorseful in any sense of. the word. The statement itself Mhm. is. like, "Oh, I feel so remorseful and. ashamed." But his statements. >> Yeah. are so blatantly I just it makes. me so angry. Mhm. Yeah. With that being said, let's get started. There are a few dozen people out there. that may have quietly changed the. trajectory of the entire country. Nobody. really knows about them. Maybe they do, but they have no idea how they've. impacted history, if you will. These. handful of people just have weirdly.

specific skills that changed history of. the entire nation and we barely know. about it. They are the sparring partners. for potential presidential candidates to. practice for the big presidential. debate. So before each presidential. debate, even the vice presidential. debate, the candidates will have around. 12 mock debates. Wow. >> Fake debates. And the sparring partner. is Yeah. >> person for all 12 of them. These debates. are I mean, you see them highly. publicized. These are big moments.

Although I think the statistics on how. much the debates actually sway the. voters are very limited. It's just a big. moment in the campaign, but I think by. that point most people are they're. decided on which party. It's party. divisive. Mhm. These sparring partners, they're usually politicians or senators. who are well-versed in the opponent's. viewpoints. They will become that. opponent for the candidate. They will. mimic the opponent's cadence. More. importantly, they will study all of. their talking points, deliver them in a. debate in an effort to win. They cannot.

be people-pleasers. They cannot be. yes-men. They have to truly be the. opponent and try to tear down the. candidate. By doing that, they're trying. to help the candidate win. It's a very interesting idea. Mitt. Romney, who was going up against Obama, stated about his sparring partner, "I. wanted to kick him out of the room. He. was so good.". Mhm. Other candidates have taken it even. further. They want to replicate the. exact debate room down to the. positioning of the podiums and how close. they are to the opponents. They even. recreate the ambient temperature of the.

room to make sure nothing goes awry just. because it's a little hot or a little. too cold. They say for presidential. debates, you spend at least half the. time doing these mock debates. And then. you leave the rest of the time for the. murder board. That's what they call it. The murder. board consists of subject matter. experts. They're the board. And they. come in just to murder every single one. of your talking points, to disprove you, to argue with you with science and facts. that you probably don't have because. you're a presidential candidate and.

you're not well-versed in every single. aspect of the world and politics. It is. to kill all of your inadequate. statements before it reaches the public. You've got the mock sessions, the murder. board. You have to be careful of all of. your micro facial expressions. That can. dominate post-debate coverage. Smirk, eye roll, all over the news. That's it. But one person who has been an advisor. for many debates states, "Ultimately, it. doesn't really matter because the. greatest politicians do better in the. real debates than the mock ones. The.

greatest come alive when the stakes are. high. They want that pressure. That's. when they actually do their best." But. other than that, some other small things. that they have to worry about is you. probably have to know every single. logical fallacy in existence. No place. breeds fallacies like the world of. politics. This is their true home. This. is their humble abode. Logical fallacies. are little tricks your brain makes or. people make on purpose to make you. believe and think something is true even. when it's not true. Basically, it's an.

argument that when you hear this. argument, you think, "You know what? Valid. That's a good point." But at its. core, it is pretty much entirely flawed. logic. Because they appear to be. correct, people get tricked into. accepting them. Mhm. The most common. being an ad hominem fallacy, which ad. hominem in Latin means to the man. So. instead of attacking the opponent's. logic or reasoning, you just attack the. person. You see this so much in. politics. It clearly has nothing to do. with the opponent's argument. It's just. about them. When logically speaking,

even an unethical, even an idiot can. make sound arguments. A quick example. would be, Margaret says, "We should. consider implementing stricter. environmental regulations to reduce. pollution." Jacob argues, "Why should we. listen to anything you say? You're not. an environmental scientist. When have. you ever cared about the environment? I. heard you can't even keep a houseplant. alive." And I guess you could argue, if. you really must, that subjectively maybe. these are good points. However, it's ad. hominem fallacy. Margaret never claimed.

to be an environmental scientist nor is. expertise required to make a valid. argument here. There is no proof being. brought up that she doesn't care for the. environment and her affinity for. overwatering her succulents has no. correlation to her statement. So this is. just kind of a dumb argument. It's kind. of like if you say, "My friend tells me. to eat cleanly every day, but she never. eats cleanly. Therefore, her advice is. not worth listening to." Is the friend. annoying? Yes. However, the friend's. failure to eat cleanly does not really. negate the evidence supporting benefits.

of eating well. Or there's a straw man. fallacy. This is when someone's brain. shuts down at the idea of processing. even an ounce of nuance or context. Someone who will go empty behind the. eyes when something is not black or. white. It's a "I wish you could help me. more with housework." "So you're saying. I do nothing around the house? Then why. are you even dating me?". "I don't want to go to dinner tonight. You never want to do anything with me. You literally hate spending time with. me. We need to increase funding for. public schools. I mean, how do you. disagree with something like that.

without seeming like a education hater. or a certified dummy? So, you say, "My. opponent wants to throw unlimited money. at schools with no oversight, no. accountability, and he wants to do that. with taxpayer money." That's not at all. what they said. Essentially, you're. exaggerating someone's point and then. disproving the exaggerated point or. finding issue with this exaggerated. point. The position being attacked is. not the position the opponent actually. holds.

But these things work. Yeah. Right? Oh, yeah. That's what they do. Mama guy is. going to employ multiple of these. His. favorite is going to be the red herring. fallacy. Red herring is a type of fish. that has a very pungent odor. It's. believed that when hunters were training. dogs back in the day, they would get. foxes and they would rub red herring all. over their tails to confuse the dogs. before releasing the foxes to be hunted. down by the dogs. The dogs would smell. the red herring, they wouldn't get the. foxes, and then they would eventually.

have to learn that they need to go for. the original initial weaker scent of the. fox. That actually turned out to be a myth, like a red herring, okay? I think they. actually used red herring or. unfortunately dead cats when training. horses for war back in the day. It was. to train them to be able to withstand. chaos and the scent of death while. everyone's dying in war. Regardless, a. very depressing origin, but to put the. red herring fallacy simply, it's when. irrelevant information is introduced. into an argument to divert attention.

away from the actual issue that needs to. be discussed. For example, let's talk. about Chris's misuse of campaign funds. Oh, really? Well, what about your voting record? You're just distracting the audience and. making them go down a second rabbit. hole. And what's bad is that most of the. time the second rabbit hole is pretty. valid. But you're just taking the attention. away. You asked me about X, but instead. I'm going to answer and talk about Y. Or. just changing the subject to something. that sounds more important to avoid.

answering the question that you wanted. me to address. That's the red herring or. the weak man fallacy. Otherwise known as the cousin of the. straw man fallacy that we went over. The. weak man, another one that Mama guy. loves to use, is finding the weakest. point of the opponent's argument and. only defeating that point, therefore. pretending like you have won the war, that you are defeating their entire. position. Let's say person A believes. all food except pizza should be banned. Person B believes all food except burger.

should be banned, and person B is. explaining their burger theory. For 10 minutes, they're bringing up. nutritional value, nutritional facts, the cost of making burgers, the way that. it can be manufactured and made in a. production line that's much quicker, and. lots of people love burgers. All of. these things, and at the end they make a. comment, probably more as a joke, that. burgers just have a lot more fun ring to. it than pizzas. Burgers is more fun to. say. Person A, instead of arguing. nutritional aspects, starts making fun. of person B. "Burgers have a nice ring.

to it? What about nuclear warfare? Does. that sound like a fun phrase? Imagine if. we just did things because they sounded. fun. Are we letting a toddler run this. country? Get a grip. This is insanity. We're just going to do something because. we like the sound of burger?". They never address anything else. Or these days, the weak man fallacy is. more centered around the weak man in the. group. It's like when you see a badly. written, horribly misspelled, grammatically abhorrent comment made by. someone who has the opposite political. view as you, and you take a screenshot.

and you repost it saying, "See, if. you're on that party's side, that means. you're just as dumb and ridiculous as. this person.". That kind of falls into the weak man. fallacy, but by all means, go ahead. I. mean, who are we to get in the middle of. a political showdown on social media. about grammar, right? But you find the. weakest part of their argument and you. treat it like the whole argument. When. in reality, they probably have a lot of. strong points that you just don't want. to touch on. You expect people to use. these fallacies when they talk about. politics, but you don't expect them to.

come from a random comedy skit TikToker. with 50 million followers in his apology. statement after being gone from the. internet for 2 years. The problem just. comes down to the fact that people just. don't care enough about Mama guy to. fact-check his information. So, Won. Jeong was one of the most followed South. Koreans on TikTok. Most South Koreans. have no clue who this guy is. They would. see him on the street, they would not. know this man. Summer of 2020, he starts. his TikTok account. I will say, like. most creators, myself included, he has.

very limited amounts of talent, relatively good Wi-Fi connection, and. moderately high tolerance for. embarrassing himself. That's pretty much. it. There's nothing particularly. skillful about his videos, but it ends. up working. The first video he ever. uploads gets 200,000 views. The next. one, over a million views. And. naturally, this convinces him that he is. God's gift to Earth and he must grace. our measly presences with his infamous. Mama videos. In just a single year, he. grows to have 40 million followers, so.

maybe he does have some sort of. reasoning to believe that he's. extraordinary. He was at one point one. of the top 10 most followed TikTokers in. the world. Wow. Additionally, he secures. a spot in the Forbes 30 under 30 list. for Asia. He has a video with Jason. Derulo that has 3.1 million likes. You. know that trend where he's greeting. people in different countries and you. greet people in Korea and both sides are. bowing, and then they greet an American. and they're clasping hands. >> Oh my god. And then the third one is. just Mama guy greeting in Korean and.

Jason Derulo greeting in the American. style and then he slaps him across the. face because he's bowing. Oh my god. >> of the comments are positive, you know? People are commenting on Mama guy's. videos. Today I found out about your. videos from my siblings, and after I. watched a couple of them, I subscribed. to your channels. I haven't really. smiled or laughed like that. I mean, that was like the first time in years. It's not particularly my style of video. that I like watching. >> Like so, he doesn't talk a lot, right? No, he doesn't talk a lot, and I will.

say that sometimes Koreans, myself. included, can have slightly bigger. facial reactions. I know that in China, the recent Koreans reacting to food at. dinner tables went viral. Your sister. was showing us videos of like. >> oh, the the way he eats, the CEO eats. >> Yes, yes, but his is probably more over. the top than all of that. It just feels. more catered to younger demographics, maybe, I guess. Like very exaggerated. screaming. Like he'll open something and. go.

And it's just like a box, you know? I. think his main audience either just. watches his videos when they show up on. his FYP and they're light, they're not. politically dense or heavy, so it's a. nice break from the depressing world, or. people will just casually watch, or. perhaps it's young kids that are. following him. He makes viral videos. that go viral, but he's not someone that. people really know much about. They. don't really know his life or his. personality, but judging based solely. off his mannerisms, he has a way of. presenting himself to come off almost.

naive. Mhm. He's shocked by everything. He is. amazed by everything. He's entertained. by everything. Therefore, it almost. presents him as this slightly more. innocent guy. >> Mhm. I see. >> People were under the impression that. this is just a nice guy on the internet. making funny videos. And like, you know. how people make those edits of. influencers I would trust with my drink. I feel like he would have ended up on a. lot of those lists. Like that's the. energy that he gives off.

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there was a book with a very poorly. thought-out title. It's called My 15. Seconds. Nobody told the author about. any of the references or memes that. could arise in having your face. plastered on the front cover next to the. words in bold, my 15 seconds. 15 seconds of what? You know what? Or it. could mean my 15 seconds of fame. Both. could be applicable. Because this is Mama Guy's book that was. sold in Korea. My Korean researchers.

actually translated the entire book into. English so that I was able to read it. All I know about this entire book now is. that it's very lengthy, self-congratulatory, affirmational book that is only. interesting to Mama Guy under the. disguise of wanting to teach everyone. how to start their own TikTok accounts. Oh, really? Yeah, he writes in the book, "People around me often ask what secret. method I used to become a global. TikToker.". "As soon as I meet them, many ask, 'How?' and countless inquiries come.

through my DMs and comments. What about. me allowed such rapid growth as a. TikToker? I even received questions. about whether I was a child of a TikTok. executive. But of course not. When I. started TikTok, I was just an ordinary. college student." He says that a. 15-second video can take him 24 hours to. film. If I did sum up the entire book in. one phrase, it would be the written. variation of try being an influencer for. a day. Like that, that's pretty much the. whole entirety of the book. It's hard. work. That's what he's telling you. He.

writes in his book, "I actually spent a. whole week examining my face, my facial. angles in front of my phone. Through. repeated practice, I studied which. angles made my face look good, which. expressions were funny, how I appeared. in natural light, how images were. produced under a standing lights, what. hairstyles look best, and what should be. in the background." Really? Yeah, because if you watch his TikToks, you. would not believe that they're that. highly produced. Doesn't add up. Something doesn't add. up. Yeah. He says that starting TikTok.

was a very lonely endeavor. He says he. didn't have anyone to talk to about his. struggles or someone to give him advice. He says, "At those times, I would tell. myself inwardly, the lonely you are, the more successful you will be. You. need to know how to endure when you are. lonely and struggling. You can't just. give up because things are difficult.". He has one chapter in his book that's. just titled, "I want to create a good. culture and environment." He writes in. that chapter, "The role I want to take. on is being someone who exudes joyful. happiness. I want to share friendliness.

and healthiness that makes anyone want. to hang out with me when they see me. Whether on TikTok or in daily life, I. know that followers and friends who. watch me, they can only feel that joy if. I'm genuinely enjoying myself wherever. and whenever I meet anyone. I want to be. someone who delivers joyful energy." He. also just like randomly throws into his. book that his ideal type is someone who. is cute and is very petite. The book has. just way too much information that. nobody necessarily ever cared about, and. it doesn't particularly sound honest.

either. I was trying to put my finger. onto what type of writing this is. because I don't know why it is irking to. a lot of people cuz even my Korean. researchers were like, "Hey, so you know. how it's bad in English? It's worse in. Korean, so just letting you know." It's. like annoying, but in a way that you. almost feel like you can't point your. finger to why. And then I discovered why. It feels like. when billionaires start writing memoirs, and they romanticize all the obstacles. that they had to overcome in their life, and it's somehow annoyingly pretentious.

and also simultaneously, "If I can do. it, you can do it, too" energy. encapsulated into one annoying. book that you want to throw across the. room. I see. So he's writing his little origin. story, like how much he grinded and. Yeah. That kind of writing? Exactly. But. it's it's not truthful. It doesn't feel. honest. It doesn't feel like, "Hey, no, I was having a mental breakdown every. single day, and I read a hate comment, and I wanted to jump off the roof of a. building." It's like, "I persevered for.

success because I want to at least. change one person's life who's watching. this.". And it's like you're doing reaction. videos. None of us do videos that are. that important ever in any context of. this world, so it's just not that. serious. >> Yeah. He writes in his book that when he. has to relieve stress, when the anxiety. and the stress of being a global TikTok. star starts to get too much, you know, he has levels to what he does depending. on the stress level. If he's moderately.

stressed, he will go to the gym and work. out. If he's very stressed, he will walk. in circles. He will pace his room. He's. very stressed beyond comprehension and. function, he will go out drinking with. his friends. He writes, "When my mind. gets complicated, I share soju shots. with my friends. It will help clear my. thoughts. And drinking doesn't solve. problems, but I gain the courage to try. and solve complex issues. And I'm. grateful for my friends who are by my. side. I don't have particular drinking. habits. At most, I just get the urge to.

go home when extremely drunk." He said, "When I drink alcohol, I'm solving problems inside." Yeah, that's also an annoying thing in the. book. No, it's You're just drinking. alcohol. What are you talking about? You're just like hanging out with your. friends. And like maybe that does help. you, but like it's weird. But you're not. solving anything. Then July 2023, Mama. Guy vanishes from the internet. July. 8th, 2023 in South Korea, the police get. a call to an apartment. There is an. emergency. It seems like someone is. being held captive, is trapped, maybe.

not legally speaking, but it would make. sense considering when the police get to. the apartment in question, the people. inside refuse to open the door. They. have to call in the fire department to. come, and when they get there, whoever. is inside still is refusing to open. They have to force their way in, and. they find two people, two men. What. happened to the girl that called 911 or. 112? The court document, which we are. able to get a hold of in South Korea, states, "The defendant, who is just. identified in court documents, is a. famous influencer with over 10 million.

YouTube followers. The defendant goes to. the bar and ends up meeting with a. girl." So the court documents, we were. able to get them, and they say that July. 8th, Mama Guy, defendant, goes to a bar, meets a girl by chance, coincidentally. They exchange Instagrams, and they start. DMing each other. Two weeks later, they. run into each other again at a different. bar. And this time, maybe it feels like. fate, like maybe they should be friends. So they start drinking together, and. then eventually, they end up going to a. second bar. They have two bottles of. champagne and four bottles of soju.

Then they go to a convenience store, buy. two more bottles of soju, >> Two people? Initially, it was another. friend of the victim that was there, but. she decided to go home early. So I'm not. entirely sure at one point in the. beverage consumption, she ends up. leaving. Mhm. But regardless, it's a lot. of alcohol. That's a lot. Soju is like, what is that? Oh, soju, I equate it to. like rubbing alcohol. I know it's not. It's not as strong as vodka, but it's. not a light time. >> a beer. No. Yeah. So they get four.

bottles of soju, two bottles of. champagne, and then they go to a. convenience store and buy two more. bottles of soju, snacks, and other. drinks. And the defendant, Mama Guy, is. like, "Hey, do you want to go to my. friend's house?". The victim probably is feeling safer. around this guy because she's seen his. Instagram. She knows that he's a very. famous influencer, and there is a sense. of safety that I think comes with. interacting with people that have a. large public presence. >> Yeah. Because you're like, "You're not. going to risk your career and your whole. life online to do something crazy." In. fact, like I feel like I would feel a.

little bit safer, right? So she's like, "Okay, fine. I'll go to your friend's. house." They get there, continue. drinking. It's a small studio apartment. There's really just a bed in there. It's. about 4 ft wide, 7 ft long. 4 ft wide? Yeah. 7 ft long? >> wider, it's That's a bed. Yeah. Okay. It's like a tiny apartment. So. they just put a little bed in there. That's pretty much it. They're all. cramped in there. It's stuffy. The. victim says she's way too intoxicated.

She just wants to close her eyes for a. second, take a nap, she can sober up, and then they can leave. Like she just. wants to go home, but she's so drunk, it. would not be safe for her to try to go. home right now. So she's like, "I'm. going to close my eyes for a second.". She knocks out, and the friend, the. owner of the apartment, he brings over. two pieces of protection from the sink. He starts groping the victim before. fully assaying her. Then the defendant, Mama Guy, gets into. the bed, starts groping her, removes her. clothing down there completely, and.

assays her. He claims that he used. protection, but later it would turn out. not to be the case because at the. hospital, they found his DNA inside of. her body. The friend, the owner of the. apartment, is still groping her from the. side of the bed while Mama Guy is fully. assaying her. This is around the time. the victim starts waking up, and. originally, the way that she reported it. was cuz in Korea, you cannot record a. video or take pictures without a loud. sound. The silencing feature for camera. taking pictures is disabled on all. Korean phones because molka mollae.

camera, like a hidden camera, hidden. picture, up-the-skirt pictures were. becoming a nuisance, were becoming a. very big problem. You know, these. manufacturers, they disabled it. So she. starts hearing these sounds, and it. wakes her up from her intoxication, and. she sees Mama Guy on top of her. She. pushes him off and straight up tells. him, "This is assay." She calls the. police. She gathers her belongings, and. she runs out of there. The police get there. The two guys do. not open the door, and the firefighters.

are forced to break in. The news slowly. starts spreading in South Korea that a. famous influencer fully assayed a girl. with his friend after a night out of. drinking. But it's not until months. later that this is all connected. This happened July 2023. Mama Guy stops. posting July of 2023. He just leaves the. internet without any explanation. So. there were a few people that were. wondering, "Is the defendant Mama Guy?". There were a few people in Korea that. were very much into the case that were. trying to be internet sleuths. But. because of Korea's privacy laws, it's.

very hard to verify. Even the court. document we received, it doesn't list. him by name. His only identifying. features really are is that he has a. YouTube channel with over 10 million. followers, and that this happens around. the time that he stops posting. Hm. So, in July, was he taken to the the. jail or. >> Yes, he was arrested. >> Ah, so you Okay. Korean mainstream media. news outlets, they were either told more. or investigative reporters were able to. figure out who this guy was and they. decided that they were going to.

broadcast his YouTube page and his. TikToks. on their news channel while talking. about this case. But with a blur filter. So, you see someone's TikToks and. YouTube videos playing in the background. while the news anchor is saying, "A man. in his 20s with tens of millions of. subscribers on YouTube and TikTok. recently suddenly suspended all of his. activities. Our investigations have. confirmed that he has been brought to. trial on charges of assaulting an. intoxicated woman with another man. He. has even appeared on TV programs as his. subscribers reach tens of millions of.

followers." Technically, it could be. anyone cuz it's blurred footage, but. only technically. You can clearly tell. that this is Momma Guy, even through the. blurred footage. His hair, his video. style, I mean, his head shape pretty. distinct. His hairstyle is the butt. crack hair, is kind of like how you call. it, the butt crack hair where it just. splits perfectly in the middle like butt. curtains. His hair is like pretty. distinct. He has curtain bangs looking. like windows into the his empty skull. And the way his body moves, his. mannerisms in his videos, people were.

very quickly able to cross-reference the. blurred videos to the real videos and. it's very much him. Coupled with the. fact that he's on hiatus, it is certain. that the SAer is Momma Guy. Subsequently. and pretty swiftly, his TikTok account. is banned, but his YouTube channel, the. original one, is still up. The comments. read from that time, "He's the person I. would least imagine to do what he did. He's a monster hiding behind that. innocent face this whole time, bruh.".

Another one, "This dude took never judge. a book by its cover to a whole new. level." Skull emoji. "Imagine him in. prison yelling, 'Mama!' LOL.". No, now he's saying daddy in prison. One comment in Korean just reads, "Live. long and always be sick." Nobody thinks. that this guy's ever coming back. I. mean, that's pretty much the end of the. Momma Guy lore. He's SAed a girl while. she was too intoxicated to consent. He's. been convicted. Long live justice and. may he rot in the Korean prison system.

Until he does come back. 5 months ago, May 27th, 2025, he posts a long-winded. statement almost 2 years after. disappearing. And his full statement. reads in full and see if you can spot. out all the ways that he's framing the. story to make people believe that he's. innocent because it's a masterclass in. shameless manipulation of facts. The. statement is translated to English to. read, "Hello, this is Ok Dong. So, So.

Won Jeong. To everyone who knows me, I. want to express my deepest apologies for. the disappointment and hurt that I've. caused. I should have shown you only my. best side, but due to my poor judgment. and mistakes, I've caused discomfort to. many of you and hurt those involved. I. deeply reflect on my actions and offer. my heartfelt apology. Over the past. year, I've spent a lot of time looking. back on myself and facing the. consequences of my actions. I was able to grow because of your love. and support. Thanks to you, I was given. many meaningful opportunities and. experiences, but I brought everything.

down with my own hands. and I let you down. Since July 2023, I. fully cooperated with the legal. proceedings related to this incident. Which he has, by the way. He argued in. court during the original trial that the. victim consented to the SA because he. saw her open her eyes. That's crazy. So, he say eyes open, she consented. >> Yeah, and she made noises. Was she drugged or was she just drunk?

>> It seems like she was just drunk, but. overly intoxicated. Hm. But there is suspicion. We're not sure. Hm. That suspicion has. not been proven in the court of law, though, legally speaking. He continues, "After a long and difficult process, I. was found not guilty of the major. charges that were widely reported." Can. you see why that that's a weird. sentence? Yeah, yeah. S- Like, first of all, what major. charges is he talking about? Exactly. Okay, so the major charge that he's.

talking about, when he says, "I was. found not guilty of the major charges,". that makes it sound like the worst. charges, the SA charges, were dropped. because those are the most major. charges, right? But then he adds, "that. were widely reported." So, in the very. beginning when this case erupted, it was. reported that he was filming the. assaults. So, a lot of the attention was on, "And. he filmed it! And he filmed it!" because. he's a content creator and he's filming. things like this. See, that's what I. thought. >> Yes, that was dropped. The SA charges.

are still there and he was found guilty. of them. And because he said. >> he only was charged for filming. I. didn't even know that he was assaulting. Oh, yeah. Oh, it gets crazier. It gets. crazier. So, he's saying, "I was found. not guilty of the major charges that. were widely reported.". So, it's not the major charges in. general, it's that were widely reported. Wow. He says, "I never filmed the other.

party. The investigation was closed. without charges." And again, the. investigation was closed without charges. only pertains to the filming charge. Wow. Only the filming charge. He says, "The claims about unlawful. confinement." So, originally, like I was. saying, it was reported that some media. outlets were also based on. misinformation of they wouldn't open the. door for the police. So, a lot of people. thought the victim was in there with. them. So, they're like holding her captive and. won't open the door.

He's saying, "Well, that was. misinformation." Hm. It doesn't matter. >> He's just pointing out all the things. that's the rumors that are false. >> Yeah. I mean, technically, she left. before they refused to let the police. come into the apartment, but that's not. why people hate you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, this sounds like this has to. be crafted by a lawyer, too. Yeah, so we. reached out to his agency for comment. My Korean researcher Our Korean. researchers are incredible. I love them. Um, but uh. they didn't respond. We've been like. hounding them. Yeah, cuz it it seems.

like every wording. is legally correct. Yes, it's legally. correct and I say this with as much. disrespect as possible. I don't think. that he is anywhere near competent. enough Yeah, to to to. >> to craft a statement like this. >> Yeah. And then, don't you think like the. way that he handled this whole case from. the beginning, it's like so. well Yeah. prepared. Like he basically. got away with Yeah. >> everything. >> And a lot of Koreans hate him. Even.

though they didn't know him, they hate. him now because they're saying this is. another case of money buys innocence. because this guy was making like $40,000. a month and he was bragging about it. He. probably used a lot of that to get a. really good attorney. Mhm. And in Korea, I think there's a little bit more. context. I think in America, we have the. same sentiments of money gets you a good. defense, but in Korea, it's even worse. because connections are even more. important in Korea. So, if there is a. really good defense attorney who used to. work at the prosecutor's office, they. will charge a premium because it's not.

even about how good they are, it's about. the connections they have with the. system. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hm. He says, "Well, I did my best to present. the facts. Not everything was accepted.". Basically, you were found guilty. "And I received a suspended sentence for. a part of the charges." He says a part. of the charges as if the charges that he. was found guilty of was not the most. important charge. Mhm. He says, "I was. also able to communicate with the other. party." He doesn't say victim. "And. bring the matter to a respectful close.".

So, again, in Korea, another thing is. it's so hard to get SA charges concluded. that victims will settle to get any sort. of financial compensation because at. that point, it's like, "What else am I. getting out of this? It's not like. you're going to go to prison for a very. long time." Because the justice system. is the way that it works. So, you might. as well get something to help with your. trauma and healing, maybe for therapy, maybe for health checkups, like whatever. it is, right? So, this is a very normal. thing, but he acts like, "I was able to. bring it to a respectful close." Like we. both agreed upon something. Mhm. "Once.

again, I want to express my sincere. apology to everyone who is affected by. this situation. At first, I was. overwhelmed by fear. Some people advised. me to admit to the charges saying it. might result in a lighter sentence, even. if they were true. But after long and. difficult contemplation, I realized that. what I feared most was not being able to. tell the truth. But I did everything to. clarify the truth, including voluntarily. requesting a polygraph test and even. preparing a reenactment video.". Side note, polygraphs are notoriously.

inaccurate and that's why they're not. used in the court of law in the states, but he continues, "During the appeal. trial, a cross-examination was scheduled. but couldn't proceed due to the other. party's absence.". Because the victim of SA did not want to. show up to be cross-examined. Mhm. "Still, I did my best to prove my. innocence. It was a long and. disorienting time. So much so that I. even began to question my own memories. Throughout it all, I had the chance to. reflect. I was careless and my actions. led to all of this. I failed to live up. to my own standards and hurt many people.

along the way. I take full. responsibility for the consequences of. my poor judgment and thoughtless. behavior and I deeply regret them." This. is so crazy. Poor judgment is a very low-level word. to place on something as devastating as. SA. He continues, "I take all your criticism. and disappointment to heart." Which. again, makes it sound like he's being. canceled online for a social issue. rather than a literal crime against. women. He continues, "When I first. started creating content, my only wish.

was to bring comfort or strength to even. just one person. I once met a student. who told me that at a moment when they. were considering self-exiting, they. happened to watch one of my videos and. laughed. And that laugh gave them the. will to keep going. They told me that I. had saved their life. I now understand. more than ever the weight of the. responsibility I should have carried. from the beginning. This experience has. truly helped me rediscover what truly. matters. From now on, I will live with. greater responsibility and do everything.

I can to ensure something like this. never happens again. To everyone I've. hurt or disappointed, I offer my. sincerest, heartfelt apology. I am truly. sorry. And I respectfully tell you that I'm not. the man who kicked a woman in the video. He is a different person. What's crazy is this part where he says. that he's not the man in the video that. kicked the woman, the Busan roundhouse. kick. He doesn't say that in the Korean. version of his statement.

It's only in the English one. >> everything else is exactly identical, except that final statement. >> Because if he put that in the Korean. one, every single Korean would go, "What. the are you talking about? Shut. up." Like no one was thinking that. They. would be genuinely upset. And that's. what a lot of Koreans who also. understand English are writing in the. comments. Like, "Shut up. What are you. talking about?". >> Wow, he is really good at this. >> He's throwing in the CCTV video of the. Busan roundhouse kick. >> No way. Yeah, well he didn't link it, but he's throwing that in saying "That's. not me." To make that the red herring of.

the conversation. >> Yes. >> This video was never even tied to this. case. We did an episode on that video a. long time ago. At no point ever did. anyone say, "Wait, is that that. influencer with 55 million followers on. TikTok that screams mama?". Yeah. Even when mama guy's actual. assault case came to light, nobody. thought it was him in that video. Maybe. like one or two people that were making. like AI generated slop content on TikTok.

that just wanted to get random Like you. know how those weird videos have been. going viral recently? I didn't even see. one that went viral. I couldn't even find many of them or at. any of them. All I see are people. saying, "Hey guys, he clarified it's not. him." Why would anybody even think it's. him? This is so random. Roundhouse kick. was such a big case too by himself. People already knew all about it if you. do one Google research. So how could. anybody connect that to him? I will. assume he probably did it himself. because nobody would think that they're. related. >> In fact, the roundhouse kick situation,

that case itself, it went viral for the. reason that there was another YouTuber. involved who released his identity. without the court's permission because. his identity was protected information. So everyone was like, "Oh, we know his. information because it got leaked." And. so his identity is even more talked. about. So no one would ever equate that. to being him. It doesn't even look like. him in the CCTV camera. It's just two. Korean guys. Yeah. Like for someone to.

genuinely believe that even before he. made this statement, you'd have to be. not. a great fact-checker or Googler and you. maybe racist a little, okay? Like that. There's just no way. It's very much, "Hey, this random thing. that nobody thought was me, let me tell. you it wasn't me so that that's all you. talk about.". And it's working. People are fighting in. the comments. Okay, there's lots of. people in the comments saying he's. innocent. And when people say, "No, he's. not. He's literally not." People will.

fight back and say, "The guy in the. video has a tattoo on his arm and mama. guy doesn't.". Wow. Then you have the weak man fallacy. He's boiling down his entire essay. charge just to the fact that he didn't. film the assault and he's acting like. that's the main point. He's choosing the. weakest charge that he was not convicted. of and disproving it. It does not mean. that he wasn't charged and convicted. with essay. Just the wording itself I. think are terrifying like these phrases, "I found not guilty of the major charges.

that were widely reported. I never. filmed the other party. I take full. responsibility for my poor judgment. I. received a suspended sentence for a part. of the charges. I did everything I could. to prove my innocence.". So if he was found guilty, did he serve. time? What was it? >> Okay, that's another reason why I think. that a lot of people are genuinely. believing that he's innocent. And okay, my thing is, if you read his statement. and you believe he's innocent, I think. that's a reflection of his shameless.

morality. I think that's on him and. everyone should hate him for it is my. opinion. However, I think if you are. going there and you keep defending him. in every comment section and when people. are informing you, you need to look into. it and then I see some of his fans I. guess that are like, "No, but he's. innocent. He said so." And it's like, "Okay, well that doesn't mean anything. You got to look into it, right?" But. they're like, "No, he said so and he. doesn't have a tattoo." Those people I. don't understand. The reason that I. think. from the surface level he appears to be.

innocent is because in America you. typically don't get a suspended sentence. for essay charges. Whereas in Korea you do. A suspended. sentence means, "Hey, I'm going to give. you. a year and 6 months. However, it's going. to be suspended. Meaning in the next 2. years you're going to be free, but if. you commit any other crime, straight to. jail for a year and 6 months.". That's crazy, too. So because he's free,

Mhm. people think that he is innocent. It worked so well that the top comments. on that post are, "This has to be the. most incredible apology someone could. ever make.". Another one reads, "Bro, crazy. We were. all hating him for the thing he didn't. do. After reading this, I don't know why. I'm crying though. Don't know how much. like how bad he felt by everything.". Another one reads, "For 2 years you. fought to claim yourself not guilty. Wow. And this apology post is way more.

better and personal than other. apologies. You wrote it in two. languages, too. And I also couldn't. believe that you were not guilty. I. think this is the most honest and. respectful and responsible apology. ever.". Another one says, "The guy who kicked. the girl in the video has a tattoo while. you don't. He's not guilty, guys. I. missed you. I'm glad you're back.". Out of every YouTube apology I've ever. seen, this is the most honest and most. sincere. Good job, man. Apology. accepted. No, you don't have to be.

sorry. Social media does You know, we. all owe you a big apology and you. shouldn't have been treated this way. There's very few Korean comments, but. the top ones in Korean read, "Let's. crack open the indictment, shall we?". Oh, so Koreans do know what he was. charged for. >> Yeah, they know he's guilty guilty. So. the international viewers have no idea. They just took his statement and nobody. knows what's going on. And that's why I'm saying I don't blame. a lot of the people that read his.

statement, take it at face value and. they accept his apology or they think. he's innocent. I do however take problem. with people that are getting responses. of like, "Hey, let me link you a few. very few articles. because there's not a lot of articles. out there, but like the very few I can. find in English." And they still keep. posting like, "No, he's not. He's not.". And I'm like, "Are you not reading? What's going on?". >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. But another comment in. Korean just reads, "All the comments are. foreigners, haha." Because. they're like, "How are people falling. for this?" And again, it's just the lack. of information in English that's.

available. But some people just don't. care about the truth. I see some people. they keep commenting on every post. It. doesn't matter how many people respond. to him telling them the truth. There's. someone who goes around commenting on. like every video, "Why do people not. forgive him? He was found innocent. He. is not guilty. The man who kicked the. girl had a tattoo on his arm, but. Wonjung does not have a tattoo on his. arm. Plus he is sorry for scaring people. even if he didn't do anything wrong. I. hope you guys can all understand.". And I'm like, "Okay, Wonjung, is this.

you?" Another comment is They're. passionate. They write, "Dang, if you. look at the comments from back then, people really thought he did it. They. act like he was not a human being. People took this way too far. People. said lol about him going to jail. Some. people probably even sent him death. threats. We should all apologize to him. for what we put him through." Wow. Other. people are commenting, "Wonjung, you. look so sad. You were so happy in your. older videos. What happened to that. happy smile? Please stay happy. Do. whatever you want. Fly around the world. Eat your favorite foods. Eat the famous.

food you missed out on, but just do. something. Please don't be sad. You can. be sad, but not all the time.". He goes on to like that comment. Wow. I will say I think again, for the. people, the mass population who didn't. really dig into it more and they trusted. him to tell the truth, I don't think. it's their fault. It is very confusing. and I think there's a few elements to. it. So during the first trial, there. were two trials. During the first trial, both defendants, mama guy and his. friend, they tried to argue that this.

was all consensual. They never wanted to. commit a crime. So there were two. things. They were charged with special. quasi essay. Now this is very important, okay? There's also a translation error. that makes a lot of English speakers. feel like it's not essay. And this is true. Okay, we're going to. get into that in a second. But they had. to prove that this was essay, the. prosecutors, and they had to prove that. there was a conspiracy to commit a. crime. Which would be like aggravated. essay. It would be like gang essay, if. you will. That gets dropped. The aggravated part.

gets dropped. But other than that, I. mean it's pretty much everything about. it is just asinine. They argued to the. judge that the victim definitely. consented and was conscious because she. made noises and opened her eyes. At one. point she made eye contact with them. She also did not actively resist or. fight them off. That's what they argue. They also argue that this is not gang. essay because while the friend, the. owner of the apartment was essaying the. victim, they argue mama guy was asleep. So they were not gang essaying her.

They're both individually rapists. know, they didn't plan to be rapists together. That's pretty much what they're arguing. I mean, the court clearly thinks all of. this is about as sensible as a squirrel. operating heavy machinery. They procured. protection together. Also, moving her. eyelids doesn't mean consent. We don't. even have to like go down the path of. pointing out how ridiculous their whole. defense is. During the first trial, Mama. Guy was found guilty and sentenced to 3. years and 6 months in prison. He appeals. it. Then he goes to a second trial and then.

he's sentenced to 1 year and 6 months. and a 2-year suspended sentence. Meaning, he doesn't have to go to jail. anymore. That's crazy. But there's. really barely any international updates. on this case and if there is, there is a. huge translation discrepancy. Most. >> also you say like he. uh was a closed. uh court or something? He requested. >> it. Like everything's private or. something like that? Yeah. So, that's why even more limited. information out there. Even in Korea. Yeah. Wow. Most articles state that he.

is convicted of quasi rape. In English, the word quasi means seemingly, apparently, but not really. Being partly. or almost. So, in some sense or degree, that's the meaning of it. So, people are. taking that as, "Oh, it wasn't fully SA. Like maybe it was harassment. Like maybe. it was something else, but like it can't. be fully SA because the definition of. quasi in English means not completely or. just seems like it, but is not really. it.". It's just miscommunication. Like that's.

not at all what happened. So, in Korea, what it means is technically the term. quasi SA when you translate it in Korean. and the way that it's used in his court. case is that it just means there was an. SA that takes place, but SA, that charge in Korea typically. is intertwined with force, physical, or. threats. So, the word quasi in front of. it means. the victim did not resist because they. were incapable of resisting. Mhm.

>> So, if you just charge them with in. Korea, the legal definition of regular. SA, then they would have to prove that. the victim resisted. Mhm. So, this is just their saying of, "Hey, it's a different charge where we. don't have to prove that the victim. resisted because we can prove to you. that they were not in a state of. resisting." So, whether that means that. they were too intoxicated, whether they. were blacked out, unconscious, whether. that means they were mentally incapable. of resisting at that time, whether they. were in a coma, whether they were not at.

the developmental stage of being the age. that they are on their driver's license. Like there's all these different. factors. >> Mhm. Mhm. Or they could have been on. drugs, like prescription medications. So, they're saying it's just SA where. someone is incapable of resisting. But because it gets translated into the. word quasi, which means not really in. English, people thought that he was not. really charged with SA. Yeah, that's. what I read back in the days. >> Yeah, but that's not at all true. And. then he goes on to argue that the major.

charges that were widely reported were. dropped. Those are the filming charges. cuz you remember she had originally. stated to the police that she heard some. sort of recording noise. They took their. phones, but they couldn't find a. recording. But even the defendants. admit, Mama Guy tells the judge that he. thought that when his friend was SAing. the victim, he says he thought it was. consensual and he wanted to film it as a. prank. I don't know how that's a prank. That's crazy. >> Yeah. But he himself stated that in the. court. Then there's an argument that his.

charges were lowered, which they kind of. were because initially he was convicted. of, I guess, the aggravated version of. conspiracy to commit, but that gets very. complicated in the court of law and they. were already going to get him for the SA. charges. So, they do end up dropping. that, but still it's full-on SA charges, like full SA charge. Making this entire situation even more. unfortunate is that there's a lack of. media coverage on the case, even in. South Korea. Nobody really knows him in. South Korea and if they do, they don't. really care about him. Which seems to.

have always been a sore spot for him. He. writes in his book, "I did establish. myself as a TikToker with the third. largest following in Korea after BTS and. Blackpink. With the title Korea's. representative TikToker feels somewhat. burdensome to me. I clearly feel pride. and responsibility as a short-form. creator in Korea." And then he gets kind. of uncomfortable when he goes on these. reality shows and nobody knows who he. is. So, because of that, the lack of. coverage, and the mistranslation of the. words, and the fact that South Korea. does offer suspended sentences to.

convicted SAers, he uses all of this to trick his. audience into thinking that he's a good. guy. Something to note is that he is. restricted from working in facilities. that deal with children, youth, and. people with disabilities. But I would say that a lot of his. TikToks are targeted towards younger. kids, which is terrifying considering. how hard that is to regulate. And just. generally speaking, this is not. particularly a defensible person. He's. just not that special. And again, I mean. that with so much disrespect and. rudeness. I disliked him even more after.

reading a book that he had written to. showcase how good he was. Mhm. And I end. up disliking him more. So much of this. book was just a back-patting session. It's subtle. I mean, one or two, you. won't notice it, but it's practically on. every page and maybe it's a cultural. thing. I think if you're familiar with. East Asian culture, you can see the. annoyance perhaps seeping through the. pages a little bit better, but it is the. worst annoying way of bragging. I would. just rather someone come to my face and. say, "Haha, I'm better than you." and.

spit in my face. That would be more refreshing than. whatever this dumpster fire of a book. is. He writes, "According to my mother, I walked and talked unusually early. But. in my memory, I was just an ordinary kid. who listened well to my parents. I. received quite a few awards in. elementary school. My grades were always. good and I had a talent in arts and. physical education. So, I remember. receiving many awards each year that. made my parents happy. From excellence. awards to writing competition awards.

But while doing TikTok, my luck with. awards exploded. TikTok Korea gives. awards every season based on domestic. and international views combined with. share counts and video upload frequency. They announce top rankings by category. monthly and select first place every 3. months. In these TikTok Korea creator. awards, I've constantly been selected as. first place. Nobody knows you in South Korea, but go. off. "I was a boy with many dreams, from. boxer to singer. I never easily gave up. on my dreams. Good for you. You are neither a boxer.

nor a singer, so I guess you did give. up. In middle school, I ranked third out. of 230 students and in high school, I. ranked seventh out of 550. So, I wasn't. someone who couldn't study or did. poorly, but my dreams were always a. little bit different. Let me guess. To help people. Yeah. Many people. praised me as someone who's achieved. their dream as a TikToker. But I'm still dreaming. In my freshman year of college, I hung.

out and drank with classmates just like. everyone else, but they were surprised. when I achieved a 4.5 GPA calling it a. plot twist. I was the type to play hard. when playing, but concentrate intensely. when studying, even staying up late." He. also goes on a multi-page tangent. seemingly taking shots at students who. take part-time jobs working at cafes and. tutoring because that's easy money. He. says he wanted to experience hard work, which is why he wanted to build thick. skin and take jobs working at. construction sites or popping rice. crackers on the street. He then goes on.

to rant about his time during the. military inscription that every guy in. Korea has to enlist for a mandatory 2. years minus few exceptions. He says that. he wanted to quote, "I felt that I. should take away something more from. military service. I headed to the. fitness room. I picked up dumbbells with. the mindset of just trying something. I. exercised consistently and really hard.". And he says the month that he was. discharged from the military, he does. one of those bodybuilder profile photo. shoots showcasing his physique. Even. that he has a very holier-than-thou.

explanation. He says, "Rather than. taking photos for the purpose of keeping. them, I wanted to remember the thrilling. experience of overcoming my own limits. People might just glance at the photo on. page 148 of this book thinking, 'One. young man, nice body.' But to me, it is. an intense record of overcoming my. personal limit through pure effort.". Bro, what is he saying? I don't know, but even my dad was jacked after the.

military service. Like I don't know what. he's talking about. Everybody gets. jacked after the enlistment. >> Yeah. >> And it's also like mandatory. It's not. really Yeah. >> something to write home about or. dedicate a whole page for the picture in. your book for. I know it sounds like I'm. nitpicking and maybe I am in hindsight. >> like a prick to me. Like so annoying. >> It's I feel like it's Especially with. kind of person he is. Like you just. know. >> That's what I'm saying. >> of himself. He continues to complain. It's always half woe is me to, "Don't. worry, guys. I'm saving the world with.

my TikToks.". I do think that his crime is definitely. tainting my perception because had I not. known what kind of person he was, maybe. none of this would strike me as annoying. or maybe I would just say, "Oh, it's. maybe not my personality type to be. friends with him." I just imagine this. kind of condescending attitude seeping. into the trial, the way he even settles. with the victim or was talking about the. victim, talking to the victim. His. arrogance in not opening the door for. the police when they get there. All of. these traits, I think in hindsight, make. him entirely.

metaphorically punchable. He says, "While my friends say it's unbelievable. that I've become a world-class TikToker, they really support me and say it's. cool. They say, 'I knew you would do. well at whatever you tried.' When I'm. with my friends though, I'm just. 27-year-old. Hwan Dong who wants to live an enjoyable. life." He says after he won the TikTok. Gold Award from the TikTok headquarters. Which is like, I guess like a gold play.

button from YouTube, which like it's. exciting, it's fun, it's great, but he. said, "I really felt the weight on my. shoulders. It was an unavoidable weight of having. to continue to living up to Wong Jeong. and that name going forward.". Nobody knows you, dude. Like. >> Yeah, he's so annoying. Very applicable, I guess, but like maybe. understanding train of thought. Everyone. has pressure at whatever they do. However, no one no one, including.

myself, that makes videos for the. internet should ever. in any situation take themselves this. seriously. Mhm. Like the weight of the. world on his shoulders after getting a. gold award from TikTok is. Another one reads, "If there's a friend. who doesn't know what to do right now, I'd like to tell them to do what they. love most. My case isn't a case of. success without effort. There were many. lonely times. Sometimes it was a. solitary work, you know, pioneering a.

path no one else had walked. But because I loved what I was doing, what I loved, you know, even that. loneliness was bearable and that. hardship was enjoyable. I didn't really. have role models. It's impossible to. find role models around me in the. process of expanding activities as a. TikToker. While I often felt like I was. walking a long path alone, it was something I liked it. I developed. a desire to pioneer ahead of everyone. It's hard to walk a path that no one. else has walked.". Which is actually um not true. It's not.

really an uncommon path to have content. creators commit sexual crimes against. women, so. I don't know why he's patting himself on. the back. That is a long, frequently. journeyed path that a lot of content. creators take. He writes in his book under the chapter. The hardship beyond being a global. influencer. That's the title. He writes, "I recently lost weight and. people around me were very worried when. I suddenly lost 9 lbs compared to last. year. Even I was surprised. I just had.

become so busy that I didn't even have. time to exercise. But you had time to essay someone, so. I'm pretty sure that you could make time. if you wanted. I think that's the most. dangerous thing about him is that well, he's free, but also he has no shame. He. has no remorse. The way that he talks. about himself in the book, the way that. he talks about himself in that. statement, he clearly thinks that he is. a great person gracing everyone with his. presence. And that's terrifying. Obviously, if you. are someone who gets convicted of essay, you cannot be a good person, but even. that statement alone is shocking.

There's just no backbone. Mhm. Like just. get off the internet. What are you. doing? This manipulation of his word. usage, all of these different fallacies. that he's employing in his statement is. so terrifying that there are people out. there like that. In 2023, before all of. this news became public, before the. conviction and his morally corrupt. wordplay apology, he wrote in his book. that he was in the process of launching. a video game and a full clothing line. because he wants a brand to exist. outside of him. And I just want to say.

if that does happen, I will be there. every step of the way. I don't care if. this is 20 years later, I'm going to be. there and I'm going to be reminding him. of this case. Mhm. Because I also like. being a nuisance. He's just back on. TikTok and everything? >> his YouTube has never been suspended. He's still actively posting on YouTube. He does not get the views that he used. to, but he's still posting on YouTube. and he made a new second TikTok account. because his first TikTok account was. suspended. Mhm. So, if you ever come. across his videos, block it, report it.

>> like how many like followers and stuff. he has now? >> has like 50,000, which is not only, but. that's a lot. So, he lost his like main. account? Yeah. He lost all the. followers? >> Yeah. And he's hasn't gotten any of them. back? >> No. Okay. That's good. Yeah, but I'm so. annoying. Yeah, but that yeah, I know. >> don't know why he's even allowed to be. Yeah. >> talking and I think it's most. frustrating when like literally you're. watching him and you see that he fooled.

every single person. You know what's. crazy? He fooled everyone to the point. of when his initial charges were brought. to the surface in 2023, there were a lot. of TikTokers that were saying, "Hey. guys, this is what's going on with this. mama guy." And now if you look at their. recent comments, people are saying, "Oops, this video aged badly." Mhm. >> innocent and I'm like, "It's actually. worse." Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. I don't. know why I'm so emotional right now, but. I I'm so annoyed. >> that unjust feeling that's uh.

So, he's trying to get away with it. And that is where I leave you with. today's episode. Be safe and I will see. you guys in the next one. [Music].