Kidnapping Of Nancy Guthrie: Who's The Man In Camera? Why Is Internet Pointing Fingers At Son-in-Law

Bada bing, bada boom. >> To anyone that may be involved, do the. right thing. This is an 84year-old. grandma. You still have the time to do. the right thing before this becomes a. much worse scenario for you. >> February 9th, 2026. A shelter in place. alert goes out to all of the local. residents. Not only should you shelter. in place, aka get inside and don't go. outside, but also you need to urgently. turn off the air conditioning in the.

building for the time being. This is. Tucson, Arizona, [music] February 9th, 2026. It's a little hot, a high of 84. that day. It's actually unusually hot. for this early on in February, but that. is besides the point. The point is stay. inside. Turn off your AC unit. If you. really must peek outside your window and. you're really unlucky, you've got sweat. dripping down your nose and you see this. outside a dark swirling cloud just. floating around and it's moving fast, going left, going right, it doesn't. really have a strong sense of direction.

It looks unpredictable. If you decide to. peek open the window to hear what's. going on, it's like this humming noise, just like a strong, powerful, overwhelming buzz. It's a bee swarm. There isn't exactly a number count of. how many bees there were. It's not like. the bees are lining up to a census. However, a typical swarm is documented. to have tens of thousands of bees. And. these ones in Arizona, they're called. killer bees. They tend to be a bit.

temperamental. They will attack in. greater numbers with less provocation. They could just decide that they don't. like you. And they will chase you a. quarter of a mile if they see you as a. threat, even if you're begging them to. stop. Also, you have to turn off the AC. because bees when they're looking for a. new hive, they love anything that has a. little bit of moisture and has. vibration, which is an AC unit. So, then. they'll try to make a hive in your AC. unit and god forbid those bees get. sucked into your house. Now, they're. pissed off. They just went on a. tumultuous turbulent ride and they have.

no escape. Not great things are going to. happen in that situation. It's not going. to end well for you, the bees, or the AC. maintenance guy. Thankfully, the bee. swarm in Tucson, Arizona is contained. The shelter in place is removed. That's. not the only swarm Tucson is dealing. with. On the other side of Tucson, there. is a completely different swarm taking. place. They call it tent city. It's like. an RV show but with tents. It almost. feels weird because it's like an entire. street in a residential neighborhood has.

been sectioned off. They've got tents. lined up. It's like they're trying to. sell tents. That's the feeling. It's. just tent after tent after tent all. lined up. If someone was in the market. for tents, it almost seems like the. perfect place to walk down the street. and see which tent is holding up in the. Arizona sun the best. But Tent City is. not a real tent selling street. [music]. It's just a gathering of tents. Dozens. of tents set up on the side of a. residential road, staying all day, all. night. There are people underneath full. makeup studio lights. Typically, next to.

each [music] tent is an SUV, blacked out. windows, one or two people hiding inside. away from the heat, someone on a phone. call. It seems like all the tents. [music] are here for a specific house on. the street, and they're all facing it. They're parked as close as they can get. to this house, setting up their tents, filming, recording the house. The house. itself, from drone footage, looks more. like a compound, but [music] that could. just be the type of homes in this area. It's Arizona. It's in the mountains. It. looks isolated. The house is surrounded. by cactuses that [music] are two stories.

tall and it's all one floor. It's a. ranchstyle home. It looks like a. government building. [music] It's just. red brick buildings with an arched. doorway to the front porch, glass. windows all around. Architecturally, I I. mean, I know nothing, but it does look. beautiful. But the tents are not here to. appreciate craftsmanship. They're all. waiting for something weird to happen, [music] and they don't have to wait that. long. A woman arrives in front of the. red brick house, and she's just sobbing, breaking down. Another woman claimed. that she had a vision of what happened. and it led her to the red brick house.

There are four to five foreign men and. you have to look for a basement. >> Four to five foreign men. >> Yeah. Just a vision. Just a feeling that. she got. And then a woman comes wearing. a super short black crop top that just. covers her chest. Short mini shorts with. big black boots. I mean, the outfit is. very reminiscent of what Kanye's wife. Bianca Sensori would wear. She's seen. taking photos, posing in front of the. tents outside of this big red brick. house. Some people are shouting at her. from the tents. Embarrassing. And she's.

flicking them off. She continued, she's. like posing. She's having a desert photo. shoot in front of the tents in front of. the house. >> It's just a mess over in Tent City. That. of course mixed with the constant. presence of SUVs with tinted windows and. yellow do not cross tape that keeps. going up and down, up and down, taken. up, taken down, taken up, taken down. There's helicopters circling this red. brick house. There are people camping. out in the trees like they're practicing. gorilla warfare, but all they have is a.

super zoom lens camera in their hands. and they're taking pictures. Everybody's. in a tent and all of these people are. documenting the days after Nancy Guthrie. has gone missing. Nancy Guthrie, the. woman that lived in the red brick house, she's missing. And they're documenting. day one, day two, day three now going on. over 30 days of her being missing and of. her being taken from her home. And even. with a $1 million reward, the head of.

the FBI getting involved, >> we will investigate and ensure you are. held accountable for your actions. >> Trump getting involved. >> But ultimately, when the FBI got. involved, I think uh you know, progress. has been made. There are still no solid. answers. And when there's no solid. answers, people tend to start creating. their own. Like, is this case a cover up. for something else? What do they not. want us to know about this case? This is. the case of Nancy Guthrie and all of the. conspiracies, speculations, and rumors, including is this case used as a.

headline cover up [music] to bury. everything else that has been happening. in the US? >> [music]. [music]. >> We would like to thank today's sponsors. who have made it possible for Rotten.

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abuse is sensitive, please watch with. discretion. And a few housekeeping. disclaimers. statements and quotes may. be condensed for brevity and everyone is. innocent until proven guilty beyond a. reasonable doubt in the court of law. We. tried to touch base on everything in. this case as neutrally as possible. There has been a lot of internet debate. and discourse about who could be. possible suspects, but I do want to. mention that there have been no suspects. named by any law enforcement. This is just people coming up with. answers in a time when there are none.

So, with that being said, if you have. seen anything, please call the FBI at. 1800 call FBI or online at tips.fbi.gov. So, with that, let's get started. I. think tall people are scary. Okay, to. clarify, I think abnormally tall people. are scary. I'm not even talking like. humanly tall, 7t, 8 ft. I've never met. people that are that tall. But even the. tallest man in history, which is close. to 9 ft, Robert Wadlow, I don't think. he's scary. I'm talking even taller.

There is something about super tall. humanlike forms, I think, that just. freak people out. It's the center of a. lot of urban legends and stories. Slender men, skin walkers, technically. Bigfoot, but even those are rarely 40t. tall. 40t tall is like a four-story. building. If you're walking in a. neighborhood at night and you see this. shadow of a 40ft figure with three arms. sticking up into the air, I would. probably scream. But I also don't live. in the Catalina foothills and I've never. seen a saguire cactus. These cactuses.

are huge. They're 40t tall and they look. kind of human in the night. And Tucson, Arizona is a very unique place where. they have anti-light pollution. ordinances in place. So, they don't let. you have bright city lights or even in. the suburbs, you can't have those really. bright lights that light up your. driveway, light up the outside exterior. of your home. >> Really? >> Yeah. So it's dark. >> to protect the wildlife or. >> No, Tucson is known for just beautiful.

astronomy. >> Oh, I see. Huh. >> So you can go there and the sky is. stunning, but it's not bright that it's. just like reflecting everything onto the. street. There's no street lights in most. residential areas. It's dark. And so. you've got that coupled with these 40ft. tall saguarro cactuses. It's an. interesting environment. The Catalina. foothills specifically tend to have. nicer homes. It feels kind of suburban, but not suburban. I know with this case. in particular, a lot of people thought.

that Nancy Guthrie was just living in. like a regular residential neighborhood. where the houses are kind of close. together, which comes to the question of. why did anybody not see anything? How. does that make sense? These houses are. sitting on a 1 acre lot. You don't see. your neighbors from your own house. window. If you're standing in your. backyard, it's highly unlikely that. you'll spot a neighbor. Even if you go. to the front yard, most of the homes are. so deep into the lot with a ton of. cactuses and brush just like in the. front. You don't even see anyone at the. front door if you're driving by.

>> It also doesn't help that there's no. street lights. And it's also very scary. at times because everything in the area. has thorns, cactuses that are taller. than people. Everything is pokey. And. it's in this neighborhood that a member. of the very well-known Guthri family is. kidnapped from this red brick house. And. all we have is the doorbell footage. We. don't even have the doorbell. The. doorbell is gone. Whoever did this seems. to have appears to have, though it's. unconfirmed. A lot of things are. unconfirmed, ripped off the doorbell and. taken it with them. So naturally,

>> someone like yanked the Ring doorbell. off the wall. >> Yeah, Google Nest. But yes, >> what? >> So naturally, the footage is in all. black and white. The camera captures the. arched brick entryway and this small. porch area before you get to the front. door. And there is a man fully clothed. [music] ski mask with just the eyes and. the mouth cut out walking up to the. door. Off the bat, there are a few. startling things to note in this. footage. He seems to have a really full. backpack on. The backpack looks stuffed. with something and probably nothing. good. [music] And then there's a gun.

holster right in front of his crotch, which is an odd placement. Nobody puts a. gun holster right in front and. [clears throat] center. Nobody. Like, nobody wears their gun like that. It's. such an odd thing to do, unless you. really just want to look as terrifying. as possible. >> Cool. I mean, I I can't think of any. other reason. I think walking up to a. woman's home dressed as such with a gun. placed on the groin area would add an. additional terrifying element. Side. note, it is also believed that the front. holster the gun holster was made for a. longer barrel gun, but the gun that they. had in was a small semi-automatic gun.

So, it's not even it's not like safely. secured right in front of their crotch. He has gloves on and a flashlight inside. of his mouth, and he's using that to. guide himself in the dark. We know based. off the footage the suspect is around. 5'9, 510. They have an average build. They had an Ozark Trail hiker backpack. that you can buy exclusively from. Walmart. He walks up to the front door. He's very casual. He isn't constantly. glancing around behind him to check if. somebody is driving up or is on the.

road. He seems like he's at least. familiar with the front door. Whether. that means he's seen pictures of it, gone there before, went there last year. trick-or-treating, like we don't know. It's just public speculation. But it. just seems like someone that has seen. this door and knows exactly what to. expect. Except it doesn't seem like he. expects a doorbell camera. >> He tries to cover the Google Nest front. doorbell camera with his gloved hand. So. he keeps like shoving his hand in front. of it. Okay. And then later he walks.

back out of the porch to go grab some. foliage, some leaves, some branches, some flowers. And then he tries to shove. it into the camera to cover it. And when. that doesn't work, it's presumed that he. just rips the camera from the door, disconnecting it entirely. >> And once that footage disconnects, the. only thing that the public will know. soon after, is that around 2:00 in the. morning, February 1st, 2026, Nancy. Guthrie, the woman living alone in that. house, will be gone, and there will be. droplets of blood on the ground of the.

front porch that are confirmed to belong. to Nancy Guthrie. The Guthrie family are. very well known all over the US, but. especially so in Arizona. So, the family. consists of Nancy and Charles Guthrie. Charles Guthrie passed away a long time. ago, so it's mainly just 84year-old. Nancy Guthrie. Nancy and her husband. Charles went to the University of. Kentucky and that's how they met. And. the two of them have three children, Annie, Cameron, and Savannah Guthrie. Annie is a writer and a jeweler. She. teaches classes, creative writing.

courses at the University of Arizona. Poetry Center. She also has a book on. the craft of jewelry making. She's. married to a man named Toamaso. He's. very important later. They share a young. child. And I say important later because. of the online discourse, not because of. anything else. Okay. So, you've got. Annie and her husband, Tomaso. >> Then you have the next child, Cameron. He is a former pilot of the Air National. Guard. So, he retired as an F-16 pilot. >> Wow. >> Then there's Savannah Guthrie. She is an. attorney. She's also a massive TV.

anchor. So, she previously worked at. Court TV covering a lot of criminal. cases, but now she's most known for. being the co-host of the Today Show for. NBC. Hi, Mom. >> Hi. >> You ready to cook? >> I'm ready. >> And just because everyone's partners are. being, you know, poking about and. brought up. Savannah was previously. married to a BBC journalist, Mark. Orchard. Then she divorced and remarried. to a man named Michael Feldman, who is a. political consultant. They also have. young children. Savannah was going to be. co-hosting the Olympic ceremony for NBC.

as a co-host for the Winter Olympics, but she could not attend because. February 1st someone kidnaps her mother. But who would want to take 84year-old. Nancy Guthrie? I know it sounds morbid, but a lot of the conversation online was. if you had to bet money, and I know that. sounds weird, but I think it just points. to the confusion that people have. If. you had to assume that someone was going. to get kidnapped, maybe it's the one. that's nationally known. >> Like, it just doesn't make sense. Why.

would you take an elderly woman from her. home when she's sleeping? What do you. want from her? She can barely walk 100. ft on her own. Now, I will say that she. is 84, but all reports and the Guthrie. family have been steadfast in the fact. that she is so mentally sharp. She's all. there. like cognitively she's sharp as. attack but she does have mobility issues. and she is on medications every day and. that's another thing she can't walk on. her own she's heavily you know needs. these medications she has a pacemaker. this is a high-risk crime what would be.

the purpose. >> what's a pacemaker. >> I think it's like it helps your heart. pump. >> oh. >> yeah there are a few things that almost. all ransom notes have in [music] common. and I think it can be tracked and. studied by authorities Because you don't. see a lot of cases of kidnapping a human. for ransom. But you do see a lot of. cases these days of hackers sending. ransom notes with threats of going. public with security breaches, data, information, personal accounts. And each. ransom note has a format that it follows.

because ransom notes are not in the. business of standing out. It's not about. the stylistic word choices or the plot. It all starts with communication. It's. the claim. We have something valuable. your asset [music] in our possession, whether that's a human, whether that's. data, whatever it may be. [music] Then. demand, deadline, and threat. What do. they want in exchange for their claim of. possession? Typically, money. And more. often than not, they're very specific. They don't want things to get lost in.

translation. They don't want it to go to. some random dude because you got one. number wrong in the bank account. The. more a ransom maker has to contact the. victims, the more chance that they're. going to get caught. So they will tell. you the exact value, payment method, how. to deliver the payment, and then the. deadline. They will give victims a range. typically of 6 to 20 days as the. deadline. And then it's the threat. For. example, John Benet Ramsay's ransom note. read, "Any deviation in my instructions. will result in the immediate execution. of your daughter. Speaking to anyone.

about your situation, such as police, FBI, will result in your daughter being. beheaded. If we catch you talking to a. stray dog, she dies." Ransom notes used. to be handwritten, but nowadays most. ransom notes are in the form of an email. sent to the victims or the targets, the. ones with the money. Except in NY's. case, it just gets strange. February. 1st, she's kidnapped in the middle of. the night from her home. The night of. February 2nd, so almost a full 24 hours. later, a local news station gets an. email submitted into their tip line.

>> Mhm. >> It's like their tip suggestions. It's. not even a physical note in an email. It's not even a PDF attachment. I mean, I I don't think anyone was expecting a. docu signed. However, the ransom note. comes in the form of a literal form. So, we have this on our website, too, with. the show notes. You can submit a case. request. It's like, please enter your. name, the case suggestion, your email, if you'd like. It's like a form. It's. not an open email where you go into your. own email account and then send an. email. >> Mhm. >> A local news station in Arizona gets a.

form submitted and it's the ransom note. But how do we Oh, >> we don't know. >> Because that way it's hard to track who. sent it, right? >> Yeah. And they did use like a VPN to. track their IP. >> The details of the note have not been. made public, but it has been reported. and confirmed by authorities that it is. a ransom note. Is it a legitimate ransom. note? That that's to be determined. However, it is a ransom note. [music]. Another local news station confirmed. that they also received the same ransom.

note. And then I believe the next day, so 48 hours after, TMZ receives a very. similar ransom note. >> So this person is not sending it to the. family directly, but instead to the news. because they want publicity. >> But don't you think that's weird? >> That is weird. Why Why are you asking. for publicity rather than money? >> Okay. So that's why a lot of people. think it's weird, too, especially former. law enforcement. They're saying maybe if. you're trying to hedge the the chance of.

being caught. So, you want to send it. not directly to the victims, but you. send it through these news networks. But. a lot of experts are saying publicity is. the last thing people want when they're. making a ransom note because I mean, unless you're saying, "Hey, I'm going to. air out my grievances because the system. did me dirty or you're trying to make a. message out of something." But if that's. not the case, you don't want publicity. because let's say you do get the. Bitcoin. They're asking for 4 to $6. million in Bitcoin. Let's say you do get. the Bitcoin. Now, you have to drop Nancy. off somewhere. The last thing you want.

is eyes and ears everywhere. It just. doesn't make any sense. >> Mhm. >> But these three news outlets, they get. ransom notes that are set to be very. similar, detailing two separate. deadlines and two different demands. So, it's like, here's the first deadline. We. want 4 million in Bitcoin to this. Bitcoin wallet. If you can't do it by. this day, we'll give you an extension of. 3 days, but you're going to pay 6. million. Now, >> what's the deadline for the first one? How many days was given? >> It's to like February 6th. It's like a. week. Oh,

>> not even really because they don't get. the ransom note until later. So, she. disappears February 1st. They don't get. the ransom note until February 2nd. And. if the deadline is February 6th, it's. like. >> I mean, it's like no time. >> 4 days. Yeah. >> And there doesn't seem to be any proof. of life given in the letters in the. note. And I will say that Harvey Leven, who is the founder of TMZ, has been a. little bit more vocal about what's been. in this said ransom note. the other. outlets seem to be a little more hush-. hush, but he was in an interview with.

Sean Hannity and he said, >> I will say the letter begins by saying. she is um safe but scared. Um and they. go on to say she knows exactly what the. demand is. I [snorts] will say that. there are real reasons based on what's. written there that I believe that this. person is in the in the radius of the. Tucson area. >> So I don't the authorities have stated.

that they know of the ransom demands. They have shared it with the family and. they cannot verify if this is legitimate. or not. They are taking it seriously. though, but this is not authenticated. And there's just so much about this. ransom note that is weird. Like the fact. that ransom makers don't want things to. be public. >> So when the mother was kidnapped on. February 1st, it's already viral. The. the news was not hush hush. So everybody. knows about this. So there could be a. copycat or someone just trying to make.

some money, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And they did not provide proof of. life. It is just very odd that they. would want media attention. It just. doesn't make sense. It's not like. they're the Zodiac Killer who's taunting. the police and the city. It just feels. weird. It almost feels hasty, not well. thought out. There are netizen theories. online that perhaps this was supposed to. be a regular home invasion. But maybe. Nancy, fearing for her life, could have. mentioned that her daughter is Savannah. Guthrie and like she has money and. she'll pay just leave her alive. So, it.

was a robbery. But then they realize. that they could probably get a ransom. So, they take Nancy and that's why the. ransom note feels hasty. other people. are suspecting like you maybe the ransom. note has nothing to do with who has. Nancy because it just it could be. completely separate if there's no proof. of life. Now the authorities they must. feel it's legitimate to some degree. So. there there have been like some. reporting that in the ransom note it. either detailed something that Nancy had. been wearing. >> or detailed something in the house. perhaps an Apple Watch detail. Is it.

better that they don't release the. details of the notes or is it part of. the notes that they say don't release. this? Why is it unclear what's on there? >> The authorities have been pretty quiet. >> about what's in anything. I think that's. pretty standard protocol for for the. FBI. They don't like to talk about. anything that they discover until an. indictment is slapped onto the table. But for the local sheriff, he has been. talking. He's been yapping quite a bit. actually. Sheriff Nanos, he's the one.

heading the investigation, but but they. don't want to talk about the contents of. the ransom note, >> which I think is probably intentional. and I think it makes sense. >> Okay. >> But they just keep saying, you know, it's not authenticated, but there it. does seem like there is some detail in. the ransom note that makes it feel like. it could be real. >> Okay. >> But if it is real, the demands are this. by February 6, 2026, Thursday, 5:00 PM. local time. The kidnappers want $4. million in Bitcoin transferred to their. Bitcoin wallet. If the Guthrie family.

cannot make that happen, then they have. a second deadline. Monday, February 9th, 2026, [music]. 6 million in Bitcoin. These are the two. deadlines with the insinuation being if. the second one is missed, Nancy Guthri's. life is on the line. February 4th. So, this is 3 days after Nancy goes missing, 2 days before the first ransom deadline. NY's daughter, Annie Guthrie, gets a. text message. So does her husband, Tomaso. Did you get the Bitcoin? We're. waiting on our end for the transaction.

Then a brief 9-second phone call comes. in to one of the family members. This is. like usually the moment in the movies. that the agents are looking for, the. part in the movies where they do their. best to get the family member to keep. the caller on the phone for as long as. possible so that they can try to trace. the phone call where it's coming from. And the call leads back to a 42year-old. man in California to a man named Derek. Kella. >> Wait, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. >> Yes. >> I'm so sorry. A few days later, this. guy, 42year-old, text them. >> Yes. >> And he called him.

>> Yeah. For 9 seconds saying what? >> We don't know, but it's a 9-second phone. call. >> Nobody knows the context of the phone. call. >> I mean, the police. >> Police does. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All. right. >> And then they hang up. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, the police track that number to a. 42-year-old man in California. Authorities immediately arrest him and. he's read his Miranda rights and they're. like, "Where is Nancy?" And Derek pretty. quickly admits he doesn't know where. Nancy is. >> Did he send the message or did he.

>> Yeah, he didn't send the ransom note. He. sent that text message. He said that he. was keeping up with the information. online and he heard about the ransom. note and he was watching TV and he just. wanted to see if the family would. respond. That's bonkers. How did he even. find their numbers? >> Like on one of those. >> Google. >> Yeah, >> that is what what he. >> I do think that Derek is all around a. horrible human being. Just a few months. ago, October 2025, he was accused of. stealing unemployment benefits from the. LA County's DA's office where he worked.

as a clerk. He was charged with one. [music] felony count grand theft and one. misdemeanor offense. Adding to that, >> he works at DA's office. >> as like a clerk. He did when he was. fired. Yeah. >> What is going on? He works for DA's. office and he commit these crimes. He. knows what's going to happen. >> Yeah. >> Okay, this is getting weirder. >> He has been, you know, arrested and. charged with transmitting a demand for. ransom in interstate commerce and using. telecommunication devices with intent to.

abuse, threaten, or harass. The FBI has. come out to state because the FBI. doesn't state a lot of things, but they. did come out to state. >> To those impostors who are trying to. take advantage and profit from this. situation, we will investigate and ensure you are. held accountable for your actions. >> But this doesn't mean that all the. ransom notes are fake, right? I mean, just because you have one impostor, he's. clearly not the one that sent the. original ransom notes to the media. outlets, right? So, here's what we know. There are three detailed ransom notes.

sent to three media publications that. all seem similar. Those ransom notes. have two deadlines and demands 4 to6. million in Bitcoin. There's no proof of. life. There's no pictures, videos, or. anything of Nancy that would indicate. that they do in fact have her and that. she is in fact alive. FBI, however, is. taking it very seriously and they have. not authenticated it. Then Dererick gets. arrested because he saw the news about. the ransom notes and the Guthrie family. ransom. He finds Annie and her husband's. numbers and starts texting them, hoping.

to get some Bitcoin in his wallet. He is. not the author of the original ransom. note. So, the original ransom note still. stands. The FBI has brought in crisis. negotiators, personnel from Quantico, and as limited the ransom note seems to. be, it seems to be one of the big things. that the authorities seem to have in. terms of finding Nancy and bringing her. home. That and $6 million of Bitcoin, right? The Guthri siblings, Savannah, Annie, and Cameron, have come out with a. video, which we're going to go over in a. second. We're going to go through all.

their videos, but they have been. pleading for the safe return of their. mother. They have explicitly stated. [music] that they are willing to pay, but they just need proof of life. They. also mentioned with technology these. days, even if they were to receive a. photo or video, I mean, the insinuation. being even if they did get something, it. would take a lot of work to verify that. it's a real photo, which has not been. altered, which has not been created. I'm. sure the FBI would hopefully have a good. grasp on that, but they haven't even. received that from what the reporting. seems. And it's all made more confusing.

because [music] there is a 41 minute. window where the intruder gets into the. house [music] and then presumably. leaves. So, let's go through the. timeline real quick. 9:48 p.m. Nancy is. dropped off at home after dinner at her. daughter and son-in-law's house, which. is Annie Guthrie and Tomaso. Savannah. Guthrie lives in New York City. Okay. >> Annie lives 10 minutes away, so she gets. dropped off after dinner at 9:48 p.m. At. 1:47 a.m., the doorbell camera is.

disconnected. >> Mhm. At 2:28 a.m., Nancy Guthri's. pacemaker disconnects from her phone, meaning that she is likely moved out of. the Bluetooth range of her phone that. her pacemaker inside her body is. connected to, which leads the public to. assume that whoever was outside the. house, made it inside. Also, we the. public don't know. There are rumors that. there were signs of a force entry. There. are rumors that there were no signs of a. force entry. We don't know. >> Right. So, without a pacemaker.

connected, does that impact her? >> No, it doesn't impact the pacemaker, or. at least it shouldn't by most reporting. Um, I'm not too familiar with. pacemakers, but it shouldn't. However, she does take daily medication that she. needs that is prescribed to her, and it. doesn't seem like those were taken from. the house. >> Like, is it life-threatening without it? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, that's why there were. rumors that she was taken into Mexico. There are a lot ofarmacies near the. border. So NY's house is about an hour. and a half drive from Mexico, the.

border. And there are a lot of. southernies south of the border where. they will sell a lot of prescription. medication. without a prescription. >> So maybe she was taken into Mexico so. that they could acquire or I mean. someone could have gone across the. border, acquired such medication if this. was all planned out and then kidnap. Nancy. >> if she is alive. >> I see. >> Right. But regardless, the public assumption is. that whoever made it into the house. stayed for 41 minutes. And there are.

blood droplets that belong to Nancy. [music] outside her front door. That 41. minutes, it makes people wonder and I. mean more so worry about what the hell. could have happened inside that house. for 41 minutes. There are videos popping. up all over the internet that have very. shocking titles. Savannah Guthrie. devastated. New shocking revelations. about Michael Feldman. Michael Feldman. being her husband. Another title from a. video is Michael Feldman arrested. Savannah Guthrie left in shock. What. Savannah Guthrie discovered about.

Michael Feldman left her shaken. All the. videos coming out are around NY's. disappearance. And when you click on the. video, it's this oddly monotone deep. voice that will narrate you and it shows. you a slideshow of pictures of Savannah. and her husband smiling. His name is. Michael Feldman, a political strategist, a man who was once at the very center of. her world. And now, new revelations are. surfacing that are putting a very. different picture of who he really was, what their relationship truly cost her,

and why sources close to Savannah are. now saying she is absolutely devastated. This is not a tabloid story. This is not. gossip. This is the story of a woman who. gave up everything, her truth, her time, her [music] heart, and what happened. when the foundation she thought was. solid turned out to have cracks. The. video goes on and on and on like this. for 25 minutes, saying things like, "People say Savannah would carry the. emotional weight of their entire. household on her own. Mornings when she.

would wake up before dawn to prepare for. broadcast, come home to manage the. family, and still find room to be the. supportive partner." the present mother, the steady force in everyone else's. storm. What no one was asking out loud. was who was being steady for Savannah. The answer, it turns out, was far more. complicated than anyone wanted to admit. >> So, like AI made it. >> Yeah, AI generated slop. These videos. never say anything. They just have a. crazy headline that insinuates.

Savannah's husband, Michael Feldman, is. guilty of something and that she has. been left devastated. Whoever is mass. making and uploading these insensitive. AI generated slop during NY's. disappearance seems to want everyone to. believe that Savannah's husband Michael. Feldman is suspicious. But the internet. might be doing something slightly worse. That is not the member in the family. that the internet has started to pick. apart. Out of all of the Guthri and the. extended family members that are public. facing, there has been one individual.

that has been regarded as a person of. interest by the internet. not the. police, not the authorities, but by. people online. And that is Annie. Guthri's husband, Tomaso. So, this is. Savannah Guthri's brother-in-law, Nancy. Guthri's son-in-law. And I would like to. heavily emphasize, however, that every. single public-f facing member of the. family appears to have been cleared by. the authorities. The sheriff has stated. intensely, "To be clear, the Guthri. family, to include all siblings and. spouses, has been cleared as possible. suspects in this case. The family has.

been nothing but cooperative and. gracious and are victims in this case. To suggest otherwise is not only wrong, it is cruel. The Guthrie family are. victims, plain and simple. Please, I'm. begging you, the media, to honor your. profession and report with some sense of. compassion and professionalism. >> Interesting. >> The only reason that I'm covering the. conversation around Savannah's. brother-in-law is that so much of the. discourse online seems to be about him. and to be comprehensive on covering this. case. I think it would be a disservice. to not address what the online. conversation has been taking place. And.

when I say online conversation, Reddit. and Tik Tok, but even mainstream media. channels, I have a pickle to pick about. this. Legacy Media has taken to try and. rewrite the way all of this has. unfolded, which is annoying to say the. least. I think there are a lot of. independent journalists and even content. creators, and I'm not even saying. myself, but other people out there that. have been trying their best to maintain. a level of professionalism while being. transparent about their standing on. political issues, being more vocal about. standing on political and all of these.

time issues that are impacting. everyone's lives, not only in this. country, but countries all around the. world that are doing it in a way that is. consumable. And there are some legacy. media outlets that tend to be a bit more. highbrow or depending on who the giant. corporation the media company supports, you have a tint of all of that mixed in. with their reporting. And just like how. there are [ __ ] news anchors, there are. [ __ ] content creators. However, Legacy. Media has stated that the internet is.

the one that put a spotlight on Annie's. husband, Tomaso, Internet Sloo. And I. would like to say that is false. From. what we can tell in our research, there. are two very experienced host news. anchors, Ashley Banfield and Megan. Kelly. Regardless of what you think of. them, I would say that they both lean. more towards legacy media, traditional. media. They both come from traditional. media, even though they both have their. own uber successful podcast. Now, they. are more synonymous with major news. networks than a YouTuber would be. They. are the ones that from what I can see.

were the first ones to put Tomaso's name. out there as being someone who might be. considered a person of interest. I. believe Ashley Banfield stated that she. is a highle source that informed her. that they are looking into Tomaso. Her. words were actually a little bit. stronger saying that he is considered a. suspect. Nancy Guthri's son-in-law that. would be Annie's husband Thomas Oion age. 50 from Tucson Arizona married to Annie. P. Guthrie Savannah's sister and my law. enforcement source tells me that Thomas.

Oion is the prime suspect in this case. >> Wait, she say that she had a source. >> Yeah, a highle source. Now, Megan Kelly. has argued repeatedly that all the. individuals closest to Nancy are going. to be persons of interest because that. is what happens in a case like this. >> That doesn't mean that this guy did it. and it doesn't mean he's their only. possible suspect. But her person said. may be the prime and mine basically said. feel free to stay on him. >> Both of them have their in-depth. arguments on why they believe Toamaso.

should be looked at by law enforcement. Both of them have much more experience. in the industry than probably our whole. RM team combined likely. This is not me. like giving a full dissection on what. they've said. I'm just telling you what. happened. I don't have highle sources in. this case and other than trying to trace. back where Tomaso's name starts becoming. a huge topic. I did not extensively. follow their coverage on this case. Though I will note I did follow Brian. Enton. He is another NewsNation.

reporter. He's doing ground coverage. His coverage has been extensive. It's. been really thorough, really informative. while maintaining the sensitivities of. this case. So, I would go give him a. listen. But there is that. And all I'm. trying to say is it's just annoying that. legacy media is saying that these are. Tik Tockers, these are internet sleuths, these are commentators on the internet. that are now pointing the finger at a. beloved family member who is also a. victim. When that's not really how it. started. >> They brought up his name and then the. police came out to say, "They have been. clear. Stop talking.".

>> Yeah. So, I will say that there probably. was internet whispers on Reddit and. other forums and threads where people. are like, "Oh, well, maybe we should. look into the family members and ABC and. D." But I think that anytime someone. says something like that, it does tend. to get shut down by people who are like, "Hey, I don't think we should comment. things like this until let the. investigators do their job." But then. Ashley Banfield came out to state and. this is just an opinion of mine that she. has a highle source that told her that. he is being investigated as perhaps a.

person of interest. I think because she. has such a good reputation rightfully so. probably that people were like oh this. must mean something. >> like a highle source it must be true. like this must be what's happening and. so people just went freeforall on Tomaso. is how I could trace it back. I could be. wrong. >> Mhm. And this giant conversation has. erupted. Whether it's because of Ashley. Banfield or not, I cannot tell you. But. it has now been a huge topic. >> The conversation is still developing.

even after the sheriff cleared the. family members. Because nizens are. wondering, how can people be cleared. when it appears that the sheriff's. office doesn't even know what happened. the night that Nancy disappeared? I'm. pretty sure family members can be. cleared by airtight alibis. There have. been reports that police are using. polygraphs to clear people, which people. have opinions about, but that has yet to. be confirmed. But some nizens who are. married to the idea that someone in the. family had involvement, they think it's. odd that the sheriff can clear a family. They also think it's odd that the FBI.

did not clear the family. Everyone's. creating arguments online, and I'm just. trying to give you a neutral overview of. the conversation. A lot of netizens. bring up past reporting and past. pressers that the sheriff has done. So, for example, there is a comment that the. sheriff made in a previous press. conference where he says, >> you know, it goes back to what we talked. about. Nobody's eliminated, but we just. really don't have enough to say this is. our suspect. This is our guy. We know or. our gal. We just don't know that. And.

and it's really kind of reckless to. report that someone is a suspect when. when they could very well be a victim. So, a lot of people took that last part. of either a suspect is a suspect or. they're nobody, but why would a suspect. also be a victim unless maybe you're a. family member? So, people have been. ripping that apart. But he did plead. with the media, quote, >> I I I bring to you to the media. I plead with you to be be careful of.

what it is we put out there because we. don't have anybody here listed as a. suspect and you could actually be doing. some some damage to the case, but you. could do some damage to that individual, too. This is social media is kind of a. kind of an ugly world sometimes. >> One person straight up asks the sheriff. during the process, "Are you actively. investigating the son-in-law in this. case? I know there are reports earlier. this week and you refuted that, but you.

said you haven't eliminated everybody. Have you eliminated him or are you. actively looking at him? >> We're actively looking at everybody we. come across in this case. Everybody. We. would be irresponsible if we didn't talk. to everybody. The the Uber driver, the. the gardener, the pool person, whoever. Everybody is so cliche. But everybody's. still a suspect in our eyes. That's just. how we look at things and think as as. cops. Does that mean we have a prime. suspect? No. And and and the family has.

been very cooperative. Uh very they. they've they've done everything we've. asked of them and and we want that. relationship to [music] continue. Um and. sometimes people can be mean out there. and and and [music]. that can really harm us and harm our. efforts. Netzens argue that it's very. strange, especially since the sheriff. has made weird comments before all of. this, such as he's asked, "Sheriff, you. said that you've identified no suspects. Have you ruled out anyone she was with.

on Saturday night?" So, remember Nancy. went to go to her daughter and. son-in-law's house for dinner? The. sheriff responds, >> "You know, we've talked to so many. I'm. sure that my investigators have feelings. about this one's clear or this one. isn't." But but no, I I I wouldn't say. anybody's ruled out yet because what if. what if I rule you out and then later I. learn something else? No, >> I don't think that these statements. should be used to throw guilt upon a. family member. I would just say that. this sheriff is not the most cleancut. with his words. He's not very meticulous.

in the way that he answers reporters. questions. He does seem kind of all over. the place. >> I see. There was like one day where he. did a huge media tour where he was on. like five different news stations and. he's like saying slightly different. things on each one. And it's not like he. doesn't know the case. It just seems. like he's choosing different words that. could be interpreted differently and it. just made everybody more confused. So. instead of doing one press conference, he just made it confusing. >> But with that statement, he could be.

talking about other people that Nancy. was with Saturday that we just don't. know about. NY's last hour is being seen. alive. January 31st, Saturday, 5:32 p.m. Nancy gets an Uber to her daughter. Annie's house for dinner. She takes an. Uber there. She can't drive. And once. she gets there, she hangs out, plays. games, and hangs out, eats dinner, and. then around 9:48 p.m. Tom, NY's. son-in-law, Tomaso, drops her off at. home. And I think she has some sort of. smart garage because there's indications. that the garage door closes at 9:50 p.m.

>> So, I'm sure if there's a log, it's like. a smart door. Then 4 hours later, the. doorbell disconnects. And then at 2:12, software detects someone on camera. And. then 2:28 a.m. her pacemaker disconnects. from her phone. So again, 41 minutes. Now, the rest of the night continue. The. next morning is Sunday morning. Nancy. goes to her friend's house and I assume. that she Ubers there and they all watch. Savannah Guthri's church in New York. City. I guess it's like a mega church. They do live streams.

>> So she watches that live streams with. like her buddies. >> Like you're saying every Sunday? >> Yes. So she doesn't go to a church. physically, but she goes to like her. girlfriend's house and they all watch. the live stream of a church service. She. doesn't show up for that live stream and. they start calling Annie cuz they're. like, "Your mom didn't show up. Where is. she? Annie goes to NY's house and 7. minutes later they call 911. Annie has. been under fire by commentators online.

because I mean there's like a whole. theory about the pacemaker. So the. pacemaker a lot of people in the medical. field have come out on Reddit and I mean. take this with a grain of salt. Again, I. don't know anything about pacemakers, but they're saying that when you have an. elderly person connected to a pacemaker, the closest living family member also is. connected to their pacemaker. So, if the. pacemaker disconnects or something. happens, the closest living relative. will get an alert of that. Like, what. good would it do if Savannah Guthrie. gets an alert of that in New York City? She's going to fly to Arizona. Like, by.

that point, a lot can happen. So, would. it not make sense that it would be Annie. that gets an alert on her phone? And. maybe she didn't see it at 2:00 in the. morning, but how come she didn't react. before the church lady said something? That's been like social media. conversation. We don't even know if. Annie is connected to her pacemaker like. that. She could not be connected to her. pacemaker for whatever reason. So, it's. just like every little thing because. we're going on over a month now. I think.

people have so little information. This. case has been shoved in all the. headlines. I guess to most graciously. describe it is it's a case that is. non-stop on the news for a month. And so. people will read the news, get invested, get emotionally invested, and then. there's so little information. I think. people start just making up their ideas. of what happened. So I'm just going to. run through all the things that people. think are suspicious about Annie and. Tomaso. And this is just me being.

comprehensive about the internet. coverage. It is not me saying that I. think that they're involved or that they. should be looked at as persons of. interest. I think the investigators will. hopefully know what they're doing better. than I am. There was intense FBI. presence around Annie Guthri's house at. one point. Agents were going door to. door to ask for consent to search. people's properties near Annie Guthri's. house. They were allegedly looking in. sheds going under fences. One neighbor. reports to the media that they were. searching for something that could have.

been dropped. Or at least that's what. the FBI agents told her. >> Could have been dropped. >> Yeah. So, a lot of people are saying, "Oh, why would they look into Annie. Guthri's house unless there's something. weird there?" The argument here is, I. mean, that was the last place that Nancy. was before going home. Of course, that. they would want to search it. That's. just being thorough. Another thing is. you don't know who is in any of these. homes. So, the fact that they're. searching Annie Guthri's house does not. mean that the authorities are suspicious. of Annie Guthrie or Tomaso or anybody. else. It could be anybody that enters.

that house. And this is an assumption. Seeing drone footage, news coverage, at. least outside of Nancy Guthri's house, there's probably housekeepers, caretakers, maintenance men, pool. cleaners, landscapers. I mean, it's a. big house and she is an 84year-old. woman. She probably has a lot of people. come and tend to the grounds. that could. mean that someone connected to those. people could be involved. So, a lot of. experts are weighing in on this case and. they're saying if you really do kidnap a. wealthy individual for ransom, it's.

usually someone who knows the people. personally. And that's not to say it's a. family member, but let's say you have a. housekeeper. And maybe it's not the. housekeeper, but that housekeeper saw. you go on a shopping spree. They don't. care. But they go home and over dinner. they're like, "Oh, I have this one. client who just like. >> the third party.". >> And their cousin is like, "Oh, that's. very interesting. How much jewelry do. they have?". >> Okay. >> So, they could be searching Annie. Guthri's home not because of Annie.

Guthrie, but because Annie Guthrie could. also have housekeepers [music] who talk, or she could have groundskeepers who. talk. And in defense of the family. members, there is no warrant to search. Annie Guthri's house. It's been publicly. stated that Annie and her husband have. consented to a search of their home. The. search could be nothing just because, like I said, Nancy was at their house. the night before. But one officer who. worked in a lot of cases says, "When you. suspect someone, you never want to do a. search with consent. You want a warrant.

because once it goes to trial, they. could be like, I never gave you consent. What are you talking about?" It's also. my understanding that they utilize the. consent search in order to go back into. that property. And I find that rather. unusual, too, because if if they did in. fact locate anything that might be. incriminating, it it uh it causes legal. issues down the road. >> H So this police officer is saying that. the fact this is a consent search. >> Yes. >> Meaning they're not really a person of.

interest. >> Yes. But you know there are other. officers who are fighting back saying. well sometimes not really and then you. have other people saying it could also. be a sealed warrant. >> and they did consent you know like we. don't really have proof that there's no. warrant but I do think it's interesting. and I would imagine that they did. consent to the search. >> so but that is okay going back to what. this officer said. >> if it's a consent search what happens w. with the evidence you can deny. >> I mean it's most likely it's still going.

to be admissible, but he's just saying. it's a headache. Cuz then you have. lawyers being like, "My client never. consented to a search." And then you're. like, "Okay, now it's like a headache. Now you got to bring in more officers to. testify. It's like it becomes a thing.". So it seems like some practice that they. do where they're like, "Let's avoid the. headache. Get a warrant.". >> Oh, >> you know. >> Okay. >> So that has been a huge issue. The next. thing is that for the longest time, Tamasa was just MIA. A lot of people. found it weird that Tomaso was not in. the videos with the Guthrie siblings.

pleading for NY's return. I don't think. that that's weird. Um, I would imagine. Annie and Tomaso do have a child. together. Perhaps while Annie is dealing. with this, he could be with their child. I mean, that would make the most sense. in my mind, but a lot of people took his. absence away from the public eye or. being vocal about this case as him being. guilty. Then the next time that he was. seen was a recent memorial walk where. Savannah Guthrie, Annie Guthrie, and.

Tomaso went to NY's house. So people had. laid out all these yellow flowers all. around the perimeter of the house. Neighbors, media, I mean just some. people had ted made a journey to come to. NY's house to lay out yellow flowers. Whether they have a personal story of. their own, I I'm not sure. They went to go pay their respects to I. guess maybe the people that have shown. support and people have been. overanalyzing Tomaso's walk his gate. So.

the Ring doorbell footage, the Google. Nest footage, there's a part where the. person leans down to pick up the foliage. to try and cover the doorbell. People. are like, "Look at Tomaso when he leans. down to like put the flowers down.". There's like so much that is going on. and people are using this. They're like. taking screenshots, comparing the. screenshots. And when you do things like. this, it feels like it has evidentiary. value, but it probably doesn't. I mean, I think at any point you could probably. screenshot my walk into looking like.

something else. It just Yeah, it it's a. lot that's happening. And I'm not saying. I know Tomaso and that he's for sure. innocent. I'm just saying it's a little. dangerous to do that with someone who is. a relative of the family member with as. little information that we have. Second, there is another thing that has been. overanalyzed is the fact that the. sheriff originally came out to say, "Okay, so after going to dinner, Nancy. was dropped off by Tomaso." Then he. later changes it to say by a family.

member. So people are like, "Why is he. taking the heat off of Tomaso unless he. wants Toamaso to talk to him more or to. feel less pressure from the public? And. I just think maybe he's just saying that. because people have been bullying. Tomaso. >> Then federal agents with shirts that. read ICA on their shirts are seen going. into Annie and Tomas's house. >> ICA. >> Yes. So that is Internet Crimes Against. Children, which sounds shocking. However, a few things to note. The.

division ICAC, they're actually a unit. within the feds that deal heavily with. kidnappings and they're really adept at. retrieving data from devices. It doesn't. have to be that they particularly think. that someone is committing crimes. against children in this house. It's. literally they're just helping with a. kidnapping. Furthermore, when they walk. into Annie and Tomaso's house, they're. seen walking in with a tripod and a ring. light. So then the natural insinuation. is that they're helping the family film.

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we want to thank all of you for the. prayers for our beloved mom Nancy. We feel them and we continue to believe. that she feels them, too. Our. mom is a kind, faithful, loyal, fiercely. loving woman of goodness and light. She is funny and spunky and clever.

She has grandchildren that adore her and. crowd around her and cover her with. kisses. She loves fun [clears throat] and. adventure. She is a devoted friend. She is full of. kindness and knowledge. Talk to her and. you'll see. The light is missing from our lives. Nancy is our mother. We are her children.

She is our beacon. She holds fast to joy in all of life's. circumstances. She chooses joy day after day. [gasps]. Despite having already passed through. great trials of pain and grief, we are always going to be merely human, just normal human people who need our.

mom. Mama. Mama, if you're listening, we need you to come. home. We miss you. >> Everyone is looking for you, Mommy. Everywhere. We will not rest. Your children will not. rest until we are together again. We speak to you every moment and we pray.

without ceasing and we rejoice in. advance for the day that we hold you in. our arms again. We love you, Mom. >> We love you, Mom. >> We love you, Mom. Stay strong. [clears throat]. >> We love you. We love you. >> After this video comes out, the internet. does what it does and they start making. commentary on the video itself. Not the. situation, but the video, stating that. Savannah seems emotional. She's audibly. crying. How about Annie and Cameron?

They seem less emotional. Cameron barely. speaks. And when Annie does, her tone. and voice seem devoid of any emotion. These are just some of the things on the. internet. They start feeling suspicious. about this. I will say that it's. pertinent to note that this is most. likely how they were told to film the. video. As neutral, as unemotional as. possible, while still sounding sincere. If someone is out there with Nancy, everything in this video could be used. against them. Like not in the court of. law, but could be used to harm them. A.

lot of hostage takers, kidnappers, they. get off on the power dynamics and they, you know, getting off can mean a lot of. things. If they see the family as. hysterical and absolutely desperate, it. can signal to the abductor that they. have enormous control. So maybe they'll. escalate their demands. They'll extend. the timelines. They they'll push their. luck, and that could result in a death. One negotiator states, "When emotions. run high, both families and the. kidnappers are more likely to make. impulsive, dangerous choices. If you. can't control your own emotions, how can.

you expect to influence the emotions of. another party?" And I think everybody. reacts to stress differently. So, while. Savannah may show more outward emotion, slightly more, it could be very well. that Annie and Cameron, in order for. them to not be overly emotional in the. video, which is what they're instructed. to do probably, maybe the only way is to. completely shut off all the emotion. >> Okay. >> And just kind of stare off and read what. they've been told to read in a flat. effect because otherwise [music] they're.

going to sob. It could be that. Like, we. really don't know. Cameron, NY's son, later does a video by himself where he. is seen holding the camera and he states. again without much emotion. He states, >> "This is Cameron Guthrie. I'm speaking. for the Guthrie family. Whoever is out. there holding our mother, we want to. hear from you. We haven't heard anything. directly. We need you to reach out and. we need a way to communicate with you so. we can move forward. But first, we have. to know that you have our mom. We want. to talk to you and we are waiting for.

contact.". But it's been now over a month. Nancy. Guthrie needs medication to stay alive. And there's been no ransom paid, no. further contact, at least that we know. of, and no sign of Nancy Guthrie. anywhere. There is a segment in Savannah. Guthri's book that has been heavily. discussed online, though I think it's. not really relevant. Some people have. brought it up just because they believe. the whole thing is odd and eerie. In one. of Savannah's books titled Mostly What. God Does Do, she writes about how her.

and her cousins had this really cute. tradition growing up, which they called. the kidnapping game, where her cousin. would visit the house, stay with them. during summer break. So her cousin lives. in Phoenix, which is a few hours away. from Tucson. So her cousin would come. stay in their family house in Tucson and. when she's about to leave, she would. wake everyone up the next morning really. early, you know, Savannah and Annie, and. she would say, "You should come with. me." They would get in her car, drive to. Phoenix, and on the way to Phoenix, they. would stop by a pay phone, call Nancy,

Savannah and Annie's mom, and let her. know, but in like a cute, playful way. Mom, cousin has kidnapped us to take her. to her house. Nancy would act shocked. because at this point, this is like a. summer tradition. And she would protest. how much she would miss her daughters, but then assure them that in a few days, she will drive up to get them. It's like. a summer tradition. Some people think. it's eerie. I think it just makes the. whole situation more devastating. I'm. sure there's moments where everyone in. the family wishes that this was just a.

joke, that this was also just a game, and that Nancy will be home as if it's. just a prank, but it is not. And Nancy. Guthrie is now going on over a month of. being missing. There are so many. questions, such as, does the sheriff's. office even know what the hell that. they're doing? The sheriff's office of. Puma County is the one leading the. investigation into Nancy Guthri's. disappearance. They have their own A&E. TV show called Desert Law, where the. sheriff himself does not appear on. camera, but allegedly he's extensively. involved in the production of it. In the.

show, they look like this wellorganized. crime unit that moves in synchry to stop. the bad guys. >> Apparently, was about to happen, and. we've prevented that. >> Tucson is about an hour from the border, so there is a lot of smuggling of all. sorts. Avocado smuggling is big in that. area. It's not just smuggling and. avocados, but drug cartels will conceal. the narcotics mixed in with the avocados. to get it across the border. But they. don't really handle a lot of ransom for. Bitcoin cases in Tucson. Do we know that. the sheriff is well equipped to handle.

this case? From the very beginning, there were reports coming out that the. sheriff and the FBI were not playing. well together whilst investigating this. case, which is the last thing you want. And it all stems they've got beef. They. have beef going back to 2016. This is. not like one of those cop shows where. it's like, "Oh, this is my. jurisdiction." No, it's not. They have. long stemming issues between the two. The sheriff has come out and since. denied that he feels any sort of beef or. vitrial towards the feds, but it is.

interesting. >> for someone to say that we're not. working with the FBI or that the sheriff. is stopping evidence from going up. That's just crazy. That's ludicrous. Why. would I not use the FBI and their free. services? Uh the relationship between. the sheriff's department and the FBI is. is valued. We do great work together. >> The feds were investigating Puma. Sheriff's Department in 2016 believing. that they were taking RICO forfeite. funds. Yeah, the thing that Sean Combmes.

was charged with, RICO. So they're like, "Okay, if you've been raketeering, I'm. going to take your assets." They take. the assets and then those assets can be. used for department things like crime. prevention, specific law enforcement. activities. This is by the law, like by. the word, right? But the FBI started. investigating because they're like, "Wait, we think we heard from a little. tipster, a whistleblower that you guys. are using RICO money to bankroll the. remodel of a cafe inside the sheriff's. headquarters.".

>> What can they use it for legally? >> Crime prevention. But this does not fall. under crime prevention. >> Like, okay. like how does having a. better matcha latte for the sheriff. prevent more crime, right? That was. denied by the sheriff's office. They. said, "We didn't do that." And then a. whistleblower comes out to state funds. were used to host these special awards. ceremonies for the cops, helping pay for. food, goodie bags for the officers, a. Santa sleigh, rented tuxedos. Allegedly, the total cost of the award ceremonies.

was around $250,000 over the years that. was likely taken from RICO money is the. allegation. The investigation was a big. deal. Like a really big deal. One of the. officers being investigated for. transferring funds into his personal. account was found dead from self-exit on. Father's Day. He was widely considered. to be the mastermind of this whole RICO. moneyaundering scheme. Okay. Well, I. don't know if I would call it a. moneyaundering scheme. this. investigation. However, even the death, there were concerns that the death. should be investigated independently by.

a third party because sure, he might. have reason to want to self-exit, but. also someone would want him dead because. maybe he could go down for everything. That's something to consider, but the. sheriff was allegedly adamant that it be. handled by his team internally. Sheriff. Nanos, that same sheriff, is the one. working this case. And some people who. know Sheriff Nano says that he holds a. grudge and that he doesn't like the feds. after that 2016 investigation, but those. are allegations. Those are speculations. Those are opinions. There are more.

reports though coming out that the. sheriff does not want the FBI to take. over, which I mean it seems like they. probably should. And that there's just a. lot of annoying things happening in this. investigation. First of all, here's the. weird thing. There are a few key pieces. of forensic evidence that are deemed to. be highly important in this case. There's probably more that the public. doesn't know about, but the ones that. the public do know about is one, obviously the blood tested on the front. porch turned out to be Nancy Guthri's. Second, they do find a pair of gloves 11.

days later near the house off the main. highway. They think it could be the. gloves used by the perpetrator or. perpetrators. It's like those black. nitro gloves. So, I mean, they found a. lot of them. So they sent all of them. out for testing and a ton of them turned. out to be some of the search workers. would just like I guess they would put. their search gloves into a baggie and. maybe that bag blew away in the wind and. they just had scattered gloves. everywhere. But that was a key key piece. of evidence. Then the third key piece of. evidence is they did find DNA inside the.

house, Nancy Guthri's house that did not. belong to Nancy Guthrie or any of her. family members, relatives, or anyone. that I guess works in that house. frequently. [music]. But where this information is sent, where this data is sent to be tested for. the forensics is really important. Interestingly, the FBI is like, "We can. take it to Quanico. Why would you not. want it tested in Quanico? I don't know. anything, but I probably would want it. tested in Quanico." Okay. But the. sheriff is like, "No, I'm going to send. it to our private lab in Florida." So,

he sends it to the private lab in. Florida. Now, a lot of people had a lot. to say about this, but he does, you. know, kind of defend his decision and in. a slightly convoluted way, he says, "Why. did we give ours to our lab?" Because. it's what we've done for years and our. labs always have done well. In fact, we. used the FBI before. They're very good. at solving things and doing things. But. the FBI, not unlike our Department of. Public Safety in Phoenix, they have a. lab. You know, they could have been. used, but we look at it as this. If I. use for example a state lab DPS or the. federal lab Quanico, you have to.

understand they have others using those. labs too. So it really puts a lot of. strain on them to prioritize those cases. and do what they can with them where if. I have my own lab or a contract lab, it. allows me easier access to those cases. that I think are important to us. And. I'm not talking, you know, this case, but I'm just talking cases in general, you know. And he's like, so now we find. a glove. FBI says, oh, we can send it to. Quantico. And I said, well, you know. what? let's just keep it all in one. place. So he's like, I've already been. sending it to this lab, so let's keep. sending it to this lab. Which I will say.

a lot of people are like, okay, there is. a little bit of validity in that. statement as when you have multiple. different labs involved and there if. there is a criminal trial eventually. it's a lot of people testifying. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. So then he's like, let's just keep. it all in one place. Let's just send it. to our lab. And it's not like, no, the. FBI's got a bad lab or no, you know, the. sheriff's department uses DNL at bad. lab. No, it's about keeping your. evidence together in one spot. This is. the sheriff speaking. And when that. report comes out, it goes to both. agencies. It just made sense, you know,

out there. They said, "Oh, the sheriff. blocked evidence." This conversation I. had with the FBI lasted probably a. minute and a half and they said, "Makes. sense." And it was done. There was no. blocking evidence. That's just crazy. >> If you have two labs you're looking at. and one's bad or one's better, that's. fine. That's not the case here. Nobody's. saying that. What they're saying is why. would we use two labs? >> So that glove that they found, you said. they found multiple gloves. Why is that. glove special? Or. >> they had reason to believe that it was.

special. They got it tested and there. was no COTUS database match, which Cotus. is like the vast network of anyone with. a criminal history. They have all of. their prints. But interestingly is. kidnapping a lot of experts say is not a. first offender crime. >> Yeah. Statistically, you don't have kidnappers. that wake up one day with a clean record. that say, "Today is the day that I. kidnap someone." Usually, they're going. to have some sort of a wrap sheet. previously. So, they say that it's very. interesting that there's no link in the.

>> suspicious. And then later they came out. to say actually maybe it wasn't a glove. that was important because it actually. belonged to a restaurant worker nearby. How did they know it belonged to a. restaurant worker? We don't know. Like, did they go and test all the restaurant. workers? They just said it was a. restaurant worker. The sheriff has also. been criticized for being seen at a. basketball game during the. investigation. And apparently the. sheriff didn't even know about Savannah. Guthri's video that she posted on. Instagram with her siblings, the very.

first video, until his wife told him. about it. And he mentions this to the. media. And so everyone is like, "This. feels like a very expensive, unproductive investigation if that's the. case because it just feels weird. We're. spending a lot of taxpayer resources and. not saying that it shouldn't be spent. I'm just saying there are a lot of. missing persons out there where maybe. they don't get this allocation of funds. and personnel to search and this is how. you guys are hand like you didn't even.

know that you they were putting out a. video. It doesn't even make any sense. The sheriff is also probably not used to. being analyzed on a national scale for. every word that he says. He doesn't. strike me as particularly organized with. his thoughts when he is speaking off the. cuff. So, here's a rundown of the. questions and answers given by the. sheriff during multiple different press. conferences. Sheriff, is there any. indication so far as to whether this was. random abduction or targeted? Like I. said earlier, we're looking at all the. leads and we don't know. We're going to.

assume both sides of that. We'll look at. both sides. Do you have any idea what. Nancy Guthrie was wearing or the type of. car that she might have left from or any. identifiable information that the public. could use to help with the tips? We do. not. Sheriff, do you believe that one or. more than one person was involved in the. kidnapping? Just no clue. It could have. been one. It could have been more. Is. there any indication that Nancy Guthrie. is still alive? We know the medication. played a critical role here. It's been. 48 hours. She needs it every single day. Are you still looking for someone that. is still alive? We hope we are. We hope. we are. Sheriff, you said earlier that.

you don't believe that there's a wider. threat to the public. If you're not sure. if it's targeted, why do you believe. there's no wider threat to the public? Well, we have crime in Tucson all the. time, right? Like any city. And so when. you say a threat to the public, is there. somebody out there who's kidnapping. elderly people in the middle of the. night every night? We've not heard that. We don't believe that's the case. We do. believe that Nancy was taken from her. own against her will. And that's where. we're at. even about the rumors of there being. forced entry. He just states, "I have no. clue where that comes from. We have been.

very consistent. We are not discussing. that at all." Whether it was forced. entry or not force entry, that is. something we're just not discussing. We. don't know where anybody got that. information at. >> Okay. Well, I see. So, that's a pretty. standard question. No. >> Yeah. Has there been any proof of life? And has there been any sign of life? I'm. going to Anything to deal with the. ransom notes, I would defer to the FBI, but no, not to my knowledge. We are. still looking for Nancy. Do you have any. reason to believe that she's still out. there alive? Or are you fearful for the. worst case scenario here that she won't.

be found alive? Well, I'm certainly. fearful of that. I think we all are. But. we operate from a position that until we. know she's out there, she's alive, we're. going to continue thinking that way. until we find her. Is there anything. more specific you can say about what you. believe the motive to be for the. kidnapping at this time? Motive is. always going to be a question, and we'll. know more as we go. what that motive is. But right now, my guesswork is as good. as yours. With these types of cases. though, sometimes the sheriff does.

appear disorganized, and that's not. really good. One expert states, "You are. broadcasting basically every detail. about this case. The more that's. released to the public, the more that is. now known by everybody, including if. there is somebody out there who has. Nancy Guthrie, they have to be very. careful about what they're letting out. about this case. But the way that he's. doing it, like he's not really answering. questions, so I'll give him that. But it. is weird. Like it's just not the most. well done. I will say the FBI, the.

special agent charge of the Tucson area, like he's a bit more organized with his. thoughts during these press conferences. >> Oh, he's talking as well. >> Yeah. And he also diverts questions, doesn't answer questions, and I'm not. saying that we deserve answers as the. public, right? They should deem whatever. is the best for the investigation. However, he is able to respond in a way. that's very clear, succinct, and like. this is what's happening. Okay, that's. it. >> But it's interesting because the police. union president was interviewed by Brian.

Enton, and I would go watch the full. interview, but he works with Sheriff. Nanos and he says Sheriff Nanos, >> what's their relationship exactly? >> So, he is the police union president and. he's also an officer. So, he works under. Sheriff Nanos, right? But he's a sheriff. Nanos. He has an ego [music] that's. difficult to describe without sounding. hyperbolic and it drives a lot of his. decision-making. He's very retaliatory. Favorite version of retaliation is. >> Wait, he works under him. >> Yeah. But he can't be fired because he. is the president of the police union.

>> So it's really difficult, I'm sure, to. fire him. >> Wow. Okay. >> Yeah. And so he's like he's very. retaliatory. favorite version of. retaliation is through transfers which. has impacted nearly every unit in this. department and decreased our overall. readiness in my opinion nearly every. unit. The experience and expertise that. there was you know transferred out for. whatever reason and there are real. impacts to that and it lowered morale. and so there was a lot of hope that in. the election in 2024 we would have a. change in leadership and when that.

didn't come to pass that's when we. started seeing a mass exodus of deputies. and detectives. So, that's been a huge. conversation. Most of the detectives in. the homicide unit at the Puma County. Sheriff's Department, they're pretty. green. Like, they don't have a lot of. experience. I'm not saying they're not. good, but it's like, do you want the. doctor to perform surgery on you that. perform surgeries every day or once. every few months? There's also questions. about the team not being well equipped, the turnover being high. Like, it's a. lot. The sheriff states, "This is a.

solid team. This is a team who solves. crime every day. They are my experts. I. would be silly to not listen to them. When they tell me we spent 20ome hours. at the scene, we process the scene. I'm. taking their word that they're good. I. don't need to hear from some pundit out. there who's never done a crime scene. I. don't need to hear from somebody who's. never done a criminal investigation. I've got experts. That's who I choose to. listen to. I don't need to hear from. somebody who's never done a criminal. investigation. And that's it. It's just. all noise in the background. The critics. who want to run for office, go do that.

stuff. I just want to find Nancy. I want. my team focused every morning when they. hit that low. They know that they have. someone who believes in them and their. work and they're going to do it. I have. 100% faith they will solve this case. If. you are the guy, if you are that. monster, you should be worried. You. should let her go. Just let her go. >> I don't need to hear from some pundit. out there who's never done a crime. scene. I've got experts. That's why I. choose to listen to. If you're the guy, if you're that monster, you should be. worried. You should let her go. Just let.

her go. And so there's been a lot of. talk about Monday Monday morning. quarterbacking. I don't know what that. means. I'm not a quarterback. >> Who said that? The cops? >> No. A lot of Yeah, a lot of cops have. been saying that there are a lot of news. anchors, TV stations, social media. content creators, netizens who are. Monday morning quarterbacking, which I. think is to insinuate that you are. giving advice in an arena that you don't. know. I guess it's like when guys give. quarterbacks advice when they watch. their favorite team play. >> I see. >> Yeah. So, I guess we're all Monday.

morning quarterbacks. But 10 days after. [music] NY's disappearance, someone is. detained. A 36-year-old delivery driver. His house is an hour from NY's house in. Rio Rico, Arizona, which is really, really close to the border into Mexico. And while we do know his name, and it. has been publicly stated and used, I'm. still going to call him Rio for Rio. Rico, the city that he's from, just. because this case is getting a lot of. attention and he's saying that this has. ruined his life. I felt like I was being. kidnapped, bro. They didn't tell me.

anything at the beginning. They told me. all that I was detained, but they never. read me rights until the FBI got there. >> We're all scared. I I can't stop. thinking like what's going to happen to. me. They they even detained my wife and. my kids. >> Yeah, cuz they they said that my eyes. and my eyelashes look the same. >> I'm innocent. >> And you don't even know who the lady is. Do you know who Savannah Guthrie is? >> No. >> I don't follow the news, >> right? >> I don't watch. >> You don't watch the Today Show? >> No, I work in Tucson. What do you do? >> GLS deliver packages. >> Okay. Do you think you might have. delivered a package to Nancy Guthther's. house? >> I don't know. Might have been a.

possibility. I don't know. >> Rio is detained. His house is swatted. He's a delivery driver for Door Dash. that lives an hour away from Nancy. He. has no personal connection to Nancy. What the hell does he have to do with. this case? Why would he want to harm. Nancy? That's the tricky part of this case. That's the question that even with Rio. or any of these people, no one knows. It. does appear to some degree that the. motive in this case could be harm. I. mean, that's one of the more reasonable.

motives if we are to believe that that. ransom note is not real because that. deadline has since long passed. There. was no proof of life. There was no. effort, at least publicly known, to. reach back out to the family to further. communication line to get that Bitcoin. amount. If that ransom note is not real, then was the intent harm? It's been. reported that Nancy left behind her. phone, keys, ID, wallet. I don't know if. this is true. This is just what's been. reported. It has not been authenticated.

by the law enforcement authorities. But. these are the things that you would need. to slowly drain someone's finances. You. would need to put in their passwords. You would need their phone. You would. need their ID. You would need their bank. cards so that you could slowly transfer. funds. So, if money was not the motive, what's the motive? If the ransom note is. not real, if money's not the motive, what is the motive? Then people thought. maybe this is a robbery gone wrong. So. this person came to the door and they. thought, okay, this is an elderly woman.

who lives alone and she's probably. sleeping at night and it has been. reported that she wears hearing aids. So. when she takes off her hearing aids, her. hearing is going to be much less than. maybe like a younger person in their 30s. who has dogs and lives with a whole. family of people. Like it could be. different. So maybe this is the perfect. house. And a lot of elderly people have. a lot more valuables in terms of like. heirloom jewelry. I think younger. people, a lot of experts were saying. when you target a house with a lot of. young families, you have a lot of. electronics that are harder to sell.

When you target older people, you're. talking about gold, you're talking about. jewelry, necklaces, diamonds, like you. get a lot more of that that's easier to. sell in the market. So maybe she's. targeted because she's an elderly woman. who lives alone in this isolated part of. town. So then you go and you try to do a. home invasion at night, but maybe she. wakes up. But the question is, why not. just run out then? Because trying to rob. someone, an elderly woman, of her. jewelry is very different from.

kidnapping someone. Like those don't. even correlate. like you it's very hard. to escalate that way unless you. retaliate and perhaps you harm Nancy and. she passes away at the scene and now. you're removing her body because of DNA. or something of that sort. And I know. that these sound really grim, but I. think the only reason that people are. even talking about some of these. theories now is that Savannah's newest. videos that she's uploaded, it seems. like the family have somewhat come to.

terms with that Nancy might not be out. there alive. And I do think, you know, people just don't understand. And I. think that brings a lot of fear, especially with a case like this because. I mean a lot of other times it's a lot. of other crimes you can see why things. unfolded. Not that it's justified, but I. think everyone's scared for their moms. >> We also know that she may be lost. She. may already be gone. [music]. She may have already gone home to the. Lord that she loves. And if this is.

what is to be, then we will accept it. So then the next theory is, okay, well. maybe it's Nancy was harmed and so her. body needed to be removed from the. scene. Or other people are saying, well. maybe she pulled down the mask or pulled. off the mask of whoever was robbing her. and recognized this person. Maybe she's. like this is my housekeeper son that I. met once, you know, and I'm just saying. housekeeper because it seems like the. term that everyone is using. It could be. a caretaker, though it's not verified. that she had a live-in caretaker or a.

regular caretaker. It could be the pool. guy. I'm just saying. It could just be. someone right. >> that has access to her home. >> But another thing is if this is a. robbery gone wrong and these people have. probably been scoping out her schedule. and her routine in her house, why not. just target the house when she was gone. for so many hours at her daughter's. house just previously that night? So. then there was some people arguing, well, no, because it was bright outside. So, if they broke into the house when.

it's bright, there's more of a chance. that people would see them. But Nancy. didn't get back home until like 9:50. p.m. >> Mhm. >> There's still a few hours of darkness. that they could have gone in. [music]. >> Yeah. >> And another thing is, why is the. backpack so damn full? If you're. committing a robbery and you're trying. to take valuables, would you bring a. full backpack? >> Yeah, that doesn't make sense. There are. some people saying maybe the backpack is. full of duffel bags that are empty that. you undo and then you fill it with.

valuables. Other people are saying maybe. it could contain something darker like a. tarp [music] because NY's blood does. stop in the front porch area. So it's. not like a trail of blood that leads to. a vehicle. Now another thing with the. blood though is that a lot of people. have been commenting when you're 84 you. can bleed very easily. If you grab. someone's wrist at 84 and yank it, their. skin is really thin. So that could be. the blood. It doesn't necessarily mean. that some big traumatic event had. happened. It's just I mean there's.

questions and no answers. I know you. look confused and I don't have answers. No one has answers. >> It's just question after question and. then it's like oh well maybe this theory. is ruled out but then it just leads to. 10 more questions. So now the question. is, did Rio Rico man know someone who. knew the Guthri and knew that Nancy. lived alone and likely had valuables? Could he be the one in the doorbell. footage? Which, side note about this. doorbell footage, they did not have this. footage for a very long time in the. investigation. It's not like Nancy goes.

missing and this is the first thing. that's released. When police get to the. scene, NY's doorbell camera was ripped. off. I believe to this day it has yet to. be recovered. Additionally, Nancy did. not have a Google Nest subscription, so. she could view the front door camera. live, but it did not save and log the. video. It would write over itself. >> So, how did they get the footage? >> They had to reach out to Google Nest and. see if Google would somehow get that. footage. And side note, it is believed. that the FBI had a lot of pull in this. And the sheriff has talked about how.

they were pleading with Google. And I. mean these the last case that we talked. about, the Krug family case, these tech. companies do not like to give out. information of their customers unless. they're really like their hand is on the. stove. And it's very interesting because. a lot of people have a lot of feelings. about this. The fact that the FBI could. get Google to do this. I think there is. a lot of. >> some resentment of why don't you do this. in most cases then? >> Because if you can do it, think of all. the cases that could have been solved.

But then that also comes into the when. is your camera private, right? FBI can. come in and pull the footage. >> Yeah. But I think the sentiment is more. so I think um as the investigation goes. on further and the news coverage stays. strong, which I think it's good that it. is staying strong because I think it'll. probably help bring Nancy home sooner. I. think there is um some resentment that a. lot of people feel that their missing. loved ones did not get any attention,

did not get these types of resources. So. I think that's where the anger is coming. from. >> Yeah. >> So they were able to get this footage 10. days later and the FBI tweeted the. footage. Cash Patel just tweeted the. footage. >> Really? >> Yeah. And so that's that's why we have. the footage. >> That is so crazy. Wow. And also there. was a lot of questions of like, oh, I. didn't know if you were not recording on. Google Nest that Google somehow still. has that. Yeah. So, there was a lot of. like conversation about this footage.

>> So, these footages are always stoed. somewhere. >> Yeah. But I mean, the sheriff said that. Google was working really hard. I don't. know what they're doing. They made it. seem like they had to like unpeel the. code. I don't know. He was making it. sound like that. And then now there's. speculations that someone was using a. Wi-Fi jammer. So, there were reports of. internet outages in that area and the. suspect, like the person in the doorbell. camera looks like they're holding some. sort of jammer at one point. So, people. are wondering if it was like a signal. jammer that was being used. A signal. jammer would indicate a higher level.

crime, a much more professional crime. >> to prevent someone using their cell. phone, calling the cops or. >> or to disable the security systems. >> But then he's like just walking up to. the doorbell camera and just ripped it. off the wall. >> Yeah. So, and a lot of people thought it. could be the cartels that are doing. this. >> What? >> Yeah. And I just don't know why. Um, I. think the cartel conspiracy and theory. came from the fact that Nancy needs. certain medications and because Arizona.

is pretty close to the border. I think. that's about it. I think there was like. a tip that maybe she was in Mexico. I. don't think that tip was verified. It. seems like the authorities have spoken. to Mexican authorities and it does not. seem like she is in Mexico, at least as. of right now. And just the crime does. not speak like cartel. Cartels typically. when they're in the United States, they. like to run under the radar. I mean, this is like their business. And when. they want to take someone out, usually. it's someone involved in the cartel. It's someone that's associated and.

they're really a professional. So people. are saying like if a cartel is coming up. to your Google Nest, your camera's. getting spray painted before you can. even see their face. >> And everyone is like, "Is this an. amateur? Is this not an amateur?" And. then once you say it's an amateur, people are like, "Well, they haven't. been caught, so is it not an amateur?". Nobody knows. >> So what does Rio Rico man have anything. to do with this? And why is he detained? Rio's mom is insistent with authorities. and later with the media that her.

son-in-law, Rio Rico Man, has nothing to. do with this. In fact, he was at home. Saturday and Sunday, the day that Nancy. was taken, he was at home an hour away. in Rio Rico. On top of that, he knows. nothing about Bitcoin. So, she's asked, "Did he ever say anything about Nancy?". Nothing. We never like I told the FBI, the investigator, if I knew anything. about her, I said I saw her on Facebook, but I didn't read what was going on with. her because I didn't know her and I. didn't have like the right to. I mean, I. didn't want to read the story. I just go.

over, keep on going, you know, on my. phone because I don't know her. They're. just invading my property, you know? I I. told them they're going in and out of my. house taking a lot of pictures and. everything. I mean, like I told them, we're not hiding anything. I gave them. permission. You can go and search. There's nothing in my house. You won't. find anything because we don't have. nothing to hide. They broke in my house. without a warrant or nothing. They broke. my door. They went in my house. My son. was playing on Nintendo. He had his. headphones on. They got him, put him in. handcuffs, and took him outside. >> This is not real.

>> No. Real is her son-in-law. This is her. son. >> Actually, Right. Right. Right. >> And then Rio was out. He got stopped at. a traffic stop with her daughter. >> Rio's wife. Rio and Rio's wife. >> And after 5 hours of being detained, Rio. Rico man is released. And he does a few. interviews where he states the whole. thing was just bizarre. He says he has. no idea how he even got involved in all. of this. Just wrapped up in this. He. states, "Right now, all I know is that. they showed my in-law a picture of. somebody wearing a mask or something,

[music] and they supposedly look like my. eyes.". >> That's insane. >> He says he was honest with authorities. I told them, "I work in Tucson for GLS, which is a delivery service." So, he. does Door Dash and GLS. I might have. delivered a package to our house, but I. never kidnapped anybody. He says, "Being. detained was terrifying. I felt like I. was being kidnapped. They didn't tell me. anything in the beginning. They held me. against my will. They didn't even read. me my rights until 2 hours later. He. says he kept telling them he's not. involved. And he thought, quote, "What.

the [ __ ] am I doing here? I didn't do. anything to be honest. I'm innocent. I. hope they get the suspect because I'm. not it. And they better do a better job. and find the suspect so that they can. clear my name. I'm done." [music] He. says he wasn't given a proper reason why. authorities thought it could be him. He. has an attorney now who has come out to. state that his life has been altered. Quote, "And now they're living. dayto-day. They're living in fear. So, the first thing I'd like to see is. Sheriff Nanos in the Puma County. Sheriff's Office come forward and say, "Rio, this was a mistake. Rio is not a. person of interest. He's not an.

investigative lead. We messed up. We. need to see some accountability.". Obviously, >> so this was from the state. >> Yes. >> Wasn't feds. >> or at least it doesn't seem like they. were involved in the detainment. I don't. know if they okayed it, if they were in. the know, you know, but Rio has not been. formally nor publicly cleared by the. sheriff or the FBI as of right now. So, he could still be involved. There's just. not enough for an arrest or he could not. be involved at all, which is what more.

people are leaning towards. >> So, this is all we know. >> Yeah. And then February 13th, a SWAT. operation is executed and another man is. detained. [music] He's pulled over in a. gray Range Rover, handcuffed, and placed. in the back of a police car. His Range. Rover is then covered with a tarp. So, a. lot of people thought that he died, like. he self-exited. There was like a rumor. going around, but they they just use the. tarp so that they can open the trunk and. I don't know if they're looking for. something someone, but they don't want.

the public to see whatever they find. So, it seems like a very serious. operation. This is not like a little. search and stop or traffic stop. like. this is a he got swatted. His 77year-old. mother was also detained and we'll call. him Range. He lives close to Nancy. He. has a significant criminal history, possession, distribution, and fleeing. law enforcement. The Range Rover is then. taken in to be processed by authorities. It has since been released back to him,

which leads nizens to believe that they. got the wrong guy because they detained. him and then released him. He hasn't. been formally cleared. he hasn't been. arrested. But because of the intense. SWAT presence, everyone thought that. this would be like a more fruitful. arrest, but it wasn't. And so now nizens. are confused. Some of them are wondering. online, quote, "Are they just randomly. detaining and questioning people at this. point? Like anybody who matches the. physical description is being detained. now a month after the event." Now, because so much time has passed, nizens.

have found another lead to grasp onto, which is the neighbor theory. There is a. neighbor that lives nearby. We'll call. him neighbor man. He lives, according to. him, 15 minutes away. And it's odd. because he has been driving to NY's. house, nearby Nancy Guthri's house to. participate in interviews of the locals. People have started comparing his face. to the mask man on the doorbell footage, and they think that it looks like him, which I mean, you can't really tell. Also, every time he does an interview, a. press interview, he's wearing. sunglasses. And so, everyone's like, "We. want to see your eyeballs because we.

only really see the Norman's face. eyeballs." He's just. >> Why would he Oh. Oh, like his interview. is really off. >> Yeah. He just starts talking about and. comparing the case to bombings, other. major crimes. He speaks about law. enforcement ranting at the fact that. they're at baseball games, basketball. games, I'm sorry. He's asked about what. he thinks happened and he goes on a. whole tirade about pointing the finger. at Toamaso. He thinks it's Tomaso. >> Um, I have a premonition that the uh. son-in-law has something to do with it.

Not sure exactly what. and he's just. okay one interview no one said anything. but he shows up in a lot of interviews. like random segments with random. creators random Tik Tockers random news. anchors just he's everywhere and so. everyone's like why is he inserting. himself into this investigation. one comment just reads my gut is telling. me it's you. odd odd very odd individual maybe he.

thinks this is his 5 seconds in the. limelight I don't know but not any of. this is particularly damning, but it is. very weird. There is also another. picture where he's wearing this very. distinct [music]. ring. It looks like a high school ring. You know those like. >> graduation ring. >> Yes. And in the gloved photo of the. doorbell camera, when he covers his. hand, it looks like there's some sort of. crease that could indicate either a. crease or a bigger ring that's not like. a wedding band. So, people think that's.

odd. And that's really it. That's all we. have. We don't really have anything. else. Everything else are more. speculations, more rumors, more. unauthenticated information. There's. also conspiracies about why the FBI. would not take over this case if it's a. kidnapping. So, there's a few triggers. that a case has to hit in order for it. to be in FBI jurisdiction. So, you have. to have a victim that's transported. across state lines, or an offender who. uses interstate commerce, like mail, phone, and internet, which happened in.

this case, or a crime on federal. property or like a federal agent. >> What do you mean mail, phone, and. internet? >> I guess if you commit some sort of like. internet crime, and only one of these. triggers has to be triggered in order. for the FBI to be able to step in. But. it's not a situation where they can just. force their hand and say, "This is our. case now." And it's usually not the best. for them to do that because they do need. help from local law enforcement as well. So it is still Puma County Sheriff that. is heading this case. But people just.

don't like that. People don't think that. they're competent. But then you know you. have arguments on the internet that's. like I don't know or the FBI that. competent these days. It's just no one knows anything. I mean, the authorities don't even know if it's. one person, two people, three people, multiple people. If caught, they might. face the death penalty because that is. what Trump has been hinting at. Savannah Guthrie has gone back to New.

York. She actually just recently visited. the Today Show. She wasn't on air or. anything. She just went to go see her. colleagues and there are pictures like. paparazzi pictures through the windows. and she seems really emotional. But it seems like the investigation is. still ongoing. The FBI has pulled a lot. of their personnel. There's way less. agents present in investigating. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. And the entire road leading up to. Nancy Guthri's house has been sectioned.

off. So you cannot park your SUV as like. a media station. Legacy Media was doing. that. You cannot set up a tent to film. like the five o'clock news. You cannot. pose for social media pictures in front. of it. Right. So, it's been. >> What was that about? You were saying. someone was posing. >> Yeah. I think she's a social media. content creator who wanted a thumbnail. >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> Yeah. A lot of people are starting to. lose sympathy in a way. Some comments. read, "My sister has been missing since. 1979. Nobody ever cared for her." So, I.

think they're getting frustrated the. more the authorities are trying and. failing because it just feels like. massive resources but no results. So, it's not like people are upset that. they're trying to find Nancy. I think. it's more so do you guys know what. you're doing? Are you guys like it just. feels like a mess and you're spending so. much resources and allocating so much. personnel and are are you doing okay? Like is it worth it? Like are you. getting what you're doing? like it just.

seems so unorganized. Other people are commenting, "I wish. y'all cared more about other missing. people like y'all do this woman." Others. are just saying, "The authorities are. being so dumb." They say, "Quote, we can. take out other count's presidents in. hours in the middle of the night, but we. can't find Nancy Guthrie. Stop it.". Others are commenting, "Distraction case. to deflect from the files." which we're. going to get into all of that in a. separate episode because all of the. conspiracies that people have of what. this case could be covering up. Now, I.

don't know if there's a cover up. I will. note that sometimes people get. personally involved in things like I. imagine if somebody that I personally. knew was affected by something, I would. naturally talk about it more. And people. are speculating that maybe it's because. Savannah Guthrie is a peer amongst all. the people reporting on this case. And. so while maybe the public also wants. reporting on other cases and other. things going on, they personally want to. stay invested in this case. But I don't.

know how much that makes sense when. you're working for like a big media. corporation who typically don't care who. your friends are. So I don't know. And. I'm again not saying that this case does. not deserve coverage or does not deserve. to stay in the headlines as long as it. has. It's just I think when it's a. one-off situation where you don't get. this type of treatment for most missing. person's cases, people are wondering. what's going on. And with everything. going on in the US, I mean, there's so.

much going on. So little has happened. that now the conversation is about the. conversation. This is what happened with. the Shan Combmes case. Every time there. was like a lull in the case where not as. explosive things were coming out during. the trial days. Anytime we would go. because we would monitor what everyone. was talking not monitor but like you. know see what everyone is talking about. and see what questions people had. It. started turning into look at the people. that are covering the case. So that's. what's happening here. So, a lot of.

Legacy Media is now covering social. media coverage of the case. >> Earlier you were saying that Savannah. and them they have changed their message. since then. >> Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't they still want. to bring their mother home. Savannah has. put up a $1 million reward. She's also. donated half a million dollars to the. National Center for Missing and. Exploited Children. I don't know, maybe. she was seeing a lot of the. conversations online or maybe, you know,

this led her to do something so. incredible and gracious, right? But. yeah, so that's where we are. There's a. million dollar reward and no one seems. to still know anything. Again, just to. make it clear, the family has been. officially cleared by the sheriff's. office. And I know that especially when. you read about a lot of crime cases, you. do think it's always closest to the. victim, like they must know something or. they must be involved. But I think in a. case like this where it's getting that.

much coverage and that much attention, we just have to hope that the. authorities are doing the right thing. And I think to point the finger at a. relative without much substantial. information is pretty reckless. So I. hope that I was able to comprehensively. give you an overview of the. conversation. But again, just to make it. so abundantly clear, the family has been. cleared. So, with that being said, that. is it for today's episode. Let me know. your thoughts and I will see you in the. next one. Be safe.

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