Karen Read Says She’s “Framed For Murder” -No One Believes Til Shady Cops CAUGHT Editing CCTV Video

[Music]. Bada bing, bada boom. >> When you first move into a new house, there are a few things that you're going. to do immediately. The first one, and I. have always pre-planned this, pre-scheduled this. Someone needs to. come in and change every single lock in. the house. You don't know who the. previous owner gave the house keys to. You don't know who still has them. Why. risk it? A family moves into their new. home, and there are just like a few. quirks that come with it. I mean, you. could maybe say that the house is. charming, objectively speaking. They've.

got a spacious backyard with a pool. It's three floors. They do have this. interesting flag pole at the front of. the property, but they are just so. focused. This family is so focused on. getting situated, unpacking all their. boxes, but it feels like they're in some. sort of weird social experiment because. periodically through the day, people. will start randomly showing up. People. will stop their cars, get out, take. photos of this house, landscape mode. They turn their phone. What is wrong. with these people? The normal family.

home. This is not a landmark. This is. not a massive mansion with Christmas. decorations up. It's a random house. What are they doing? Others are driving. by the house and doing these very. convoluted random threepoint turns. And. the owners are just looking out their. windows like, "Why are they doing 25. threepoint turns right now?" Like, they're in some sort of simulation and. it's a glitch. Are they practicing for. some driving test? Why do they keep. doing this? It's not even necessary. It's not like they're going anywhere. They're just doing convoluted turns. Why. specifically in front of their house.

that they just bought? What's even more. interesting is the pictures listed on. Zillow show the basement. And the. basement floors originally looked. normal. The previous residents used a. good chunk of the basement as a workout. room. So, in the listing pictures, you. have these American flags hung on the. wall. There are weights, weight benches, and because it's a workout room, the. floor is covered with gym mats. Those. black rubber mats that you piece. together like a puzzle. However, when.

the new owners move in, basement floors, gym mats have been taken off, and now. it's just a random mix of plywood. It's. not even hardwood floors, not carpet, plywood. And it's not one consistent. type of plywood, not one consistent. layer of plywood. It looks like random. patches of plywood. >> Basically, every single part of this. part of the basement, >> of this part of the house, >> the flooring's been taken up. I mean,

all of this, it's just hodge podge, right? It just looks like it was thrown. down. Something the actual floor was. ripped up. Let's say you've got plywood flooring. and I spill tomato juice down one side. and you can't get it out. Would you go. through the trouble of replacing the. entire room? Or maybe just that patch? That's kind of what it looks like. Why. are there patches of different types of. plywood? Is that a new thing that the. previous owners did right before moving. out? I mean, that's up for debate. Everything is being debated by the. internet. Everything about this house is.

being debated, not even by the new. owners, but people online. People with. abilities, whether you believe them or. not, I guess is subjective, up to each. person. They're saying that they can see. and read energy. And they're posting. these ominous videos of them reading. cards into the house. And they warn. everyone, this house, the energy here, it's not over. What you have to do is. look at what's left over. It's far from. over. Someone will have to step in. They. think the house is suspicious. Other.

nizens online are like, "Okay, that's a. little much. However, we agree with you. It is suspicious. Like the fact that the. house went up for sale November of 2022. Nobody lists a house for sale right. before the holidays. Nobody's moving at. that time. Additionally, the house is. originally listed for $949,000, but ends. up selling for $95,000, a $44,000 hit in an area where real. estate is in such high demand that. usually there's bidding wars. >> How long did it take to sell? Do you.

know? >> A few months. There is something inside. that house. The internet feels it. Everybody knows about it except the new. homeowners. In fact, they moved from a. different area. Had no idea what was. going on inside this house until they. moved in, saw people driving by taking. pictures of their new house. >> That is wild. >> That is when they realized that they had. just purchased 34 Fair View Road, previously owned by Brian Albert, the. house in which John O'Keefe's body was. found dead in the front lawn. And the.

seller's agent, Brian Albert's real. estate agent, >> didn't say anything. >> They didn't say anything. And that. realtor works for a firm that is owned. by Carrie Roberts's sister. This is part three of the Karen Reed. case. [Music].

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your continued support. As always, full. show notes are available at rotten. mango.com. A few disclaimers. There are. mentions of driving under the influence, alleged physical assault, as well as. drug usage, so please watch at your own. discretion. This episode is only part. three of a four-part series that is. spanning to be probably longer than. every single Game of Thrones episode. combined. I don't know what's happening. I'm trying to take out some information, but I feel like everything is pertinent. And there's two separate trials. So,

there's trial one, trial 2. A lot of. statements, a lot of testimonies have. been condensed and or combined for. brevity's sake. If you have not seen. part one or part two, I highly recommend. that you go watch that because there's. no way that any of this is going to make. sense without watching those first two. parts. In addition, I will try to do. like a very brief recap and all I can. say is this is a case that consists of. every single person on this board. Some. of them were at 34 Fairview Road, which.

is a house owned by the main Alberts. The Albert is a massive family that I. feel like Canton, Massachusetts, which. is a 30-minute drive from Boston. If. there's 10 people, seven of them are. Albert related. They're either married. into the Albert family, like Julie. Albert is married to Chris Albert, who's. Brian Albert's brother, or they're. married in through Jennifer McCabe is. Nicole Albert's sister, who's married to. Brian Albert. I mean, it's just a. freaking mess. And then outside of 34.

Fair View Road on January 29th, 2022, Boston police officer John O'Keefe was. found in the front lawn in front of a. flag pole. Everyone inside the house. that night because there was a cop. party, a bunch of cops coming together. to drink and drive at night. They say he. never entered the house. They say what. most likely happened is John O'Keefe's. girlfriend, Karen Reed, hit him with her. car and left him for dead. Karen Reed on. the other hand is saying that's not what.

happened at all. In fact, I am getting. framed. >> Did not hit John with my car. >> And these are the cast of characters. So, please go watch part two. Go watch. part one. It's like a I think at that. point it's probably 5 hours. >> 6 hours. >> 6 hours. There's just no way that I can. recap anything more. But I will go over. the colors. Dark red. This red color. here is the main Albert family. So, the. main Albert couple, their children, and. then you've got the orange, which is. Chris Albert's family. This is Brian. Albert's brother, his wife Julie. You.

got his son Colin. And then you've got. the yellows. The yellows are the. McCabes. They're they're like the Mc. Alberts. You know, they're related to. the Alberts because of Nicole and Jen. McCabe. And then anyone related directly. by Karen. So, they're associated with. this case through Karen, which is mainly. just her defense attorneys. They're. going to be in pink. Anyone who has a. light blue color such as John O'Keeffe. and maybe even ATF Brian Haha Higgins, that means that they are law enforcement. officers or they have control over law.

enforcement. So these are all cops. These are all feds except for the. exception of Chris Albert who is not. really a law enforcement officer, but he. sits on the Canton Select Board, which. controls the Canton Police Department as. a whole. It's five people. He's one of. them. They get to appoint the police. chief. >> Crazy. >> of the Canton Police Department. Brian. Albert also has another brother named. Kevin Albert who is a detective of the. Canton Police Department. So, there's. just a lot of uh cops involved.

>> Is Kevin Albert cuz we haven't really. talked about him. Is he part of the case. at all or he's just related? >> He's part of it. Oh, >> and then anyone in dark blue are. investigating officers that are. investigating the death of John O'Keefe, but jokes on them because their. investigation is going to be. investigated by the FBI for how abysmal. it is. And we also have multiple. different law enforcement agencies at. play here. So, we have the Boston Police. Department, which John O'Keefe was a. Boston cop. Brian Albert before he.

retired, coincidentally conveniently. right after John O'Keefe's death, he was. the head of the fugitive unit at the. Boston Police Department. And then. you've got the Canton Police Department. So John O'Keefe ends up passing away in. Canton. So they are the initial people. to respond to the call. So these three. right here, >> this boy Sean, Paul, Michael, you're not. going to like any of these people. Like. most of these people you're not going to. like. They're Canton cops. And then. you've got Kenneth Burkowitz, Canton.

Police Chief. And then you've got Brian. Tolley, Yuri Buchanan, and Michael. Proctor. They're part of the. Massachusetts State Police. So these. people, the state police officers come. in because the Canton police have to. recuse themselves. And then you've got. the feds, the FBI that are actually. investigating the investigation. So four. different law enforcement agencies. I do. want to say that nobody has been. charged. Well, nobody has been convicted. of a crime. There were two trials that. ended in an acquitt. Any conspiracies,

any theories? There's a lot of netizen. discourse surrounding this case. And I. will say it's very difficult to separate. the emotion, the conspiracies, as well. as what might be a neighborhood rumor. versus what might actually have some. truth to it. So, do your own research. I. know you guys are smart enough. So, before you make your own decision, opinion, judgment on any of the parties. involved, do your own research. And. anything I say is alleged. It's publicly. available information. It's recaps of. online discourse as well as pulled from.

transcripts of the two trials. So, with. that being said, let's get started. There is a place called DNA Pizza and. Subs. It's like a hole-in-the-wall. restaurant. It seems exclusively made. for takeout. There's barely any seats, let alone any tables. They sell pizzas, chicken wings, family favorite recipes, mac and cheese bites fried in a thick. batter, a cheeseburger, hot sub. This is. an interesting one. It's a chicken. Caesar salad pizza. It's just like if. you were to get a chicken Caesar salad,

throw it on top of a pizza. A chicken. Caesar salad pizza. I mean, it was. pretty self-explanatory. They also have. something called a triple decker. sandwich, but if you want something a. little bit lighter, they've got egg. salad cold sub. The menu is very. extensive. And if you order online, you. get a whopping 5% discount. But nobody. wants to order online. Nobody wants to. order at all because the pizza shop is. owned by Chris Albert, the brother of. Brian Albert, whose front lawn John.

O'Keeffe was found dead on. One review, this is from 2018, so this is before all. of the suspicious activity has even. occurred. 2018, one reviewer writes. about this suspicious little pizza shop. Second time there, and both times I had. an issue. First time employees had a bad. attitude. Second time they forgot to. give me my dressing for my salad. And by. the time that they delivered the. dressing, the chicken was disgusting. It. was cold. I got a Greek salad. And they. said they brought me their house. dressing, which is a mix of Greek and. ital. It was disgusting. The owner kept.

saying nothing was wrong. Another one. says, "You better hope you don't get the. blockhead that answered the phone for me. when I was placing my order. I wanted to. go get my credit card to read the. numbers off of, and he told me I should. have had that prepared already.". to which another reviewer agrees. They. need a little work done in the customer. service because I definitely overheard a. guy calling me a piece of when I called. back to add a soda to my order. And then. they tried to laugh it off later when he. noticed that I was still on the phone. Then when I got my pizza was burnt like. hell. Like how the hell do you burn.

cheese pizza with no toppings? And while. all of this is ongoing, this place, these are reviews from 2018. Somehow. they survived 2018. They survived the. pandemic. And even now in 2025, this. place is still going on. This place is. still open with one that is in. commenting, "How is the Albert pizza. place still in business? There cannot be. that many people in Canton and the. surrounding area that would support. their business. Why don't people boycott. them and run them out of town?" The top.

comment responds, "Well, perhaps the. business has other purposes than selling. food." As with any internet theory. and/or conspiracy, this could all be a. madeup delusion crafted by a random. shadowy internet figure who has mashed. potatoes for brains and a working Wi-Fi. router. Just because words have been. strung together into semi-coherent. thoughts does not make it true or. factual. I'm not here to sway your. opinion about a conspiracy, but it is an. interesting conspiracy. I did get sucked. into the rabbit hole. I turned into.

mashed potatoes for brains because it's. just weird. And it oddly starts with. rice pudding. In New York City, if you. walk down two of some of the most. popular streets, you've probably come. across what people call a culinary. mystery. Two restaurants, most expensive. areas in New York City with massive. storefronts. They always look empty for. some reason. It's just like a dessert. shop. It feels sterile. It's called Rice.

to Riches. It's like the most niche. dessert shop. There's so many dessert. shops in New York City where they do all. the trending Instagram desserts and they. still close down because money is hard. But this is rice pudding that's made. fresh daily that you can get in flavors. like coconut coma, Oreo, gazm drugs, and. rocky road, hazelnut chocolate bear hug, and then you just add toppings to it. The founding family of the rice pudding. shop is very wealthy, which people are. confused. Locals are wondering who the. hell is getting rich off of rice.

pudding? Well, maybe they're not. The. restaurant opened up in 2002, and by. 2005, the founder was arrested for. operating what prosecutors called. probably one of the largest gambling. operations ever in Suffel County. >> Wait, this is actually that? >> Yes. An illegal sports betting ring that. was bringing in $21 million annually. >> Wait, so the store is a front for. >> No, the founder says they're two. different businesses. He said he's never. mixed the money. He's not money.

laundering. The store's not a crime. front. That's crazy. It's just a. coincidence. He says it's a coincidence. There's no connection between the. gambling and the two dessert shops. The. dessert shop is 100% not a crime front. That's what he says. That dessert shop. is still open. There's no proof that. there is moneyaundering happening. I. mean, there's still two of them in New. York City in the most expensive areas. >> So, he's arrested, but his store is. still running by someone. Yeah, he got.

out pretty quick. >> Oh, >> now to complicate things even further, everybody does say rice pudding is. actually pretty good there. They say. it's actually very addicting. One. comment reads, "No, cuz the rice pudding. is so good. I'm actually going to. contribute to their gambling problem.". Another person writes, "The rice pudding. is worth the organized crime here." That. is what netizens believe is happening. with DNA pizza without the good pizza. There is no evidence, but they believe. based off the bad reviews of the. restaurant predating 2022 and pictures.

of the food and locals saying, "I don't. know who goes there except for just. fellow cops and like some random young. kids." They believe there is no way that. these people are staying open for. business and profiting to feed their. whole family. It doesn't make sense. One. internet rumor reads, "I heard from a. friend that Colin Colin Albert was. selling drugs out of DNA pizza and his. daddy knew all about it." To which. someone responds, "Of course his daddy. knew. Who do you think he gets the drugs. from?" To be fair, another netzen.

comments just no proof, just rumors. Now, one netizen who has never met a. bush and certainly does not beat around. it, just puts it quite frankly. DNA is a. drug front. John O'Keefe and Karen Reed. pull up to the house. John jumps out, goes into the driveway, makes it to the. front of the house, but he mistakes the. garage door for the side door. Now, that's what's so confusing about 34 Fair. View. There are three doors at the. front. You've got the main front door, and then you've got a side door that. opens straight up into the family living.

room, and then you've got a garage door. that opens straight into the garage. They say that John O'Keefe went through, he thought he was going through the side. door into the family room, but he ends. up going in to the garage and he sees. people, mainly Colin, engaging in and or. selling drugs. That's the theory. Perhaps there are even large quantities. of drugs stored in the garage to the. point where the Brian Albert, he can't. be like, I don't know what Colin's.

doing. I don't know what he's doing in. my garage. And a fight ensues because. nobody parks their car in the garage. They say that they just use it for. storage. >> H. >> a fight ensues. This is the theory. And. John O'Keefee is incapacitated. Everyone, mostly Caitlyn and the girls. are told to get out. The biggest thing. was. >> we know why the Alberts might want to. lie. We know why Jen McCabe might want. to lie. Why everybody on this board. might want to lie. But why are Julie. Nagel, her brother Ryan Nagel, Sarah.

Levenson, why are they lying? because. maybe they're also protecting. themselves. Is this theory? Caitlyn and. all the kids, the girls, they're told to. get out. While this is happening, John. O'Keefe is subdued. Once everybody is. out, he's transferred to the basement. This is the internet theory. This is. what the netizen writes. Khloe attacks. because she smells blood. Jon is beyond. repair. Things have gone too far. Only. option now is to move him to the yard. and blame Khloe. Khloe's the backup. plan. Unfortunately, Karen Reed makes. herself a nice little pawn because she.

actually cares about her boyfriend and. the McAlberts take full advantage of. that. Some people have taken this. conspiracy a step further to allege that. the drugs that we have no proof of being. in the pizza shop that the drugs in the. pizza shop are actually obtained through. police stations and police. investigations. When officers confiscate. drugs and do massive drug busts, it. wouldn't be the first time that they. take those drugs and then resell them. for a profit because who's going to come. after them? The cops. They are the cops. That is the conspiracy with zero proof.

Now, I don't think that this conspiracy. would have gotten this far on the. internet had it not been for the fact. that August of 2023, so this is like a. full year and a half after John O'Keeffe. passes at a Canton Select Board meeting. that this guy decides he's not going to. show up to. Chris Albert, one of the. five select men, he's like, I'm going to. sit this one out. Chris Albert, he's not. there. However, a woman named Helena. Rafferty is there. Helena Rafferty is. the new Canton police chief. She.

replaces Kenneth Burkowitz. Also, Kenneth Burkowitz dies. Unrelated. >> What? >> He has a heart attack and he dies. >> When? >> Way after. But he does retire the same. year that John O'Keefe is found dead. >> So John O'Keefe found dead. >> After about 6 months, he retires. And. then. >> was there investigation going on against. him? Like the FBI were were on to him. >> Yes, we're on to everything. Yes. >> Huh. >> Oh, but it gets weirder because Helena. Rafferty, she becomes the new Canton.

police chief. The first female police. chief. >> Was she also Was she directly from the. department as well or she's like. transferred or. >> Oh, no. All from Canton. >> So, they all know each other already? >> Yes. So, she's the new police chief. She. also randomly retired recently. >> While the case is still going on, the. trial is still going on. Police Chief. Helena Rafferty is retiring this summer. The announcement came the same day as. opening statements in the second trial. of Karen Reed. >> And then Kenneth passed away. >> Yes. From a heart attack.

>> Really? Like no suspicions, nothing. >> I don't think it was suspicious. I don't. think it's related to this case. But. what is suspicious is one of the last. things he does on the job, which I'm. going to go through later. Now Helena. Rafferty takes over and she states in a. meeting, I know it's been circulated. that John O'Keefe had conversations with. Canton police detectives related to drug. activity in that neighborhood. John. O'Keefe, to give you some context, is a. Boston police officer.

>> So he drives to Boston every day to go. to work, 30 minutes, but he lives in the. city in the town of Canton. He reports. that there's drug activity in Canton. Now, does he report it to his boss in. Boston? No, because there's no. jurisdiction. So, he goes to the. detectives at Canton Police Department. Who is a detective at the Canton Police. Department? Kevin Albert. >> He went to Kevin Albert. >> He was one of the people. >> Huh? >> And he tells them, "Hey, I think there's. suspicious drug activity going on in.

Canton.". >> Mhm. And Helen Araferty, the new police. chief, says, "Well, I'm here to confirm. that John O'Keeffe absolutely did reach. out to Canton detectives related to drug. activity in the neighborhood. He reached. out to the detective unit. However, none, and let me repeat that none of. O'Keefe's well doumented correspondents. with us included anyone alleged to be. involved in this case.". >> H. >> nobody believes her. >> That's weird. Okay.

>> What we're getting out of this is she. did confirm that John O'Keefe told Kevin. Albert and other Canton detectives that. there is drug activity in this. neighborhood. And this is where it gets. suspicious. Chris Albert, Julie Albert, they had been neighbors with John. O'Keeffe for years. They recently moved. away, >> but for years they were two houses down. They never got along with John O'Keefe. They never really talked to him. The day. that John O'Keefe passes away, he goes.

to DNA Pizza. Some people think he's. there to scope out what's going on. He. goes to DNA Pizza and that night, Chris. Albert is the one to invite John. O'Keeffe to the Waterfall Bar. >> Are you saying that he rarely goes to. DNE or. >> Nobody really knows, but the fact that. he went the day of, people think it's. very strange. >> Okay, another coincidence. Another. coincidence, what's even more of a. coincidence is when they get to. Waterfall Bar, Karen Reed starts asking.

to go to DN Pizza because she had heard. that sometimes they open up after hours. >> to make a pizza. >> Okay. So, the order of event is on that. day, Chris show up in the morning of. John O'Keefe shows up for a meal for. lunch. >> with his nephew. >> With his nephew, right? So, Chris met. John O'Keefe say, "Hey, my old neighbor. We didn't like each other, but come hang. out with us tonight." He says that they. were friendly, but there's evidence. perhaps that they were not. >> Right. Right. Right. Yeah. John shows up. with Karen.

>> to the Waterfall Bar. >> To the Waterfall Bar. And then Karen's. like, "Oh, Dn, should we go? Can we go?". But they didn't like a different day. Karen say, "Let's go another day.". >> No, let's go tonight. >> Tonight. >> Instead of going to 34 Fair View, let's. go to D&E. >> Oh, okay. >> And then they don't end up going. They. go to 34 Fair View and John O'Keefe ends. up dead. So people think this is just. too many coincidences in one. >> It doesn't make any sense. So this is. where the theory comes into play that. John O'Keefe was killed inside the.

house. We briefly went over it because. there's multiple theories. Some people. think that the house is a house full of. swingers and maybe John O'Keefe was. confronted by Brian Higgins, Brian Haha. Higgins about the conversations that he. had with Karen Reed and all of that. There are a lot of side theories, but I. think if you look at the pictures of 34. Fair View, it's going viral on Tik Tok. The Alberts officially lists their home. for sale November 17th of 2022. People. start online studying these pictures to. see if it's feasible. A big running.

theory is that Jon goes into the house, he's either in the garage where there is. suspiciously this like paint spill, red. paint that splattered all over the. garage floor. Some people think that the. paint was poured on top of blood that. had been scrubbed off. Some people think. it's just a paint spill. Some people are. like, "We can't even confirm when this. paint spill happened." There's just a. lot of We're going to circle back to. this. >> red paint. >> Yeah, it's like a dark burgundy. >> Then I will see. Is there a part of the.

house is that color? Like what are you. using that color for? Right. >> I don't see anything that was that color. in the house. >> Dark red. >> Other people think that this occurred in. the basement. a fight breaks out in the. basement in the workout room, which. would explain the laceration to his. head. It could have been sustained from. a dumbbell. It could have been sustained. from any of the heavy weights down. there. Regardless, all the theories end. with John O'Keefe suffering a fatal. injury to the back of his head. Nobody. thinks that any of this was. premeditated. In fact, a lot of the. people that believe in the DNA theory,

they believe that all these guys, they. just want to beat John O'Keefe. That's. their game plan. And maybe it works with. other cops. You beat him up and you say, "Hey, so basically what's going to. happen is you're gonna shut up about. this." They make him feel fear. That's. the energy that people believe is. existing inside of 34 Fair View Road. that very night. He suffers a fatal. injury to the back of the head and. everybody starts freaking out because it. wasn't supposed to go this far. Khloe, the German Shepherd, starts attacking. John O'Keefe. The residents and the. partygoers ultimately freak out even.

more and they decide that they're just. going to lay his body on the front lawn. and they're going to blame the snowplow. drivers. They're going to say that Jon. was drunk. He gets out of Karen Reed's. car. Karen drives away, leaving him, which was a happy coincidence for them. And Jon gets hit by a snowplow. People. have died from getting hit by industrial. city snowplows. He's drunk. He didn't. see the snow plow coming. The snowplow. driver at 3:00 a.m. didn't see John and. they hit him and he dies. So, they wait.

until the snowplow driver drives off, does their route of 34 Fairview. Once. they hear that snowplow go through, they. move his body outside. By the next. morning, Karen inserts herself into the. situation, thus giving them the perfect. opening. Again, this is all alleged. Nothing has been proven. That's the. running theory of some internet users. and they just need to know if it's. feasible to bring Jon's body out of the. basement without being seen by the. neighbors. The most popular theory comes. from the basement opens into the.

backyard. There is what they call. bulkhead doors. So, it looks like one of. those storm shelters. It's like a plank. of wood. You know when you are on the. street in New York and you see those. steel doors that open and then you walk. down and it's the bottom of like the. It's kind of like that but not as. official. It's just like a wooden door. You lift it up, there's a few steps and. then a regular door. You walk in and. that's the basement. >> Look at that. >> Yeah. >> Direct directly into the backyard. Yeah. >> When you get out of that, you're in the. backyard. You turn to the side, there's.

a fence. >> Mhm. >> You open up that fence, directly in. front of you is the flag pole. And that. is the darkest part of the whole. property. They believe that someone. went, one of these partygoers parked a. car on the side of the street. M. >> then the others came in through the back. side door and dropped dragged John. O'Keefe's body towards the flagpole in. the middle of the night long after Karen. already went home. But does the floor. plan of the house make this theory. feasible? Some people are saying these.

are the wild cards. All of Brian. Albert's friends because other than that. family has a reason to lie for family. But what about Julie Nagel, Ryan Nagel, Sarah Levenson? Why would they say, "No, I didn't see John O'Keefe coming inside. No, I didn't see anyone going to the. basement." Why would they say these. things if you don't believe that they're. involved in the drug theory? Why would. they lie? It doesn't make sense. Sarah. Levenson is a nurse. Why would she risk. her career for any of these people? Adding to the theory the most when you. look at the floor plan of this house is.

that this is not an open concept first. floor, which when everybody testifies, you almost envision it to be. They're. like, "Yeah, you walk in through the. front door. If I'm in the kitchen, I see. everyone. I see you in the living room. I see you in the kitchen. I see. everybody. That's not the case. That's. not the case at all. The front door is. like a vegetable, okay? You walk in and. on your right is this small dining room. and then to the left is a small entrance. with the library, the study. And then. there's stairs leading right up to the. front, like right in front of you. There.

are stairs going upstairs. And then. behind it, there's a door that you open. and it leads into the basement. So. there's stairs going down into the. basement. >> Wait, you're saying there's a door to. the basement? Yes. to to get into the. stair to go down into the basement. >> And then if you were to keep that door. open, behind that door is the small. opening to the kitchen. And these are. small openings. These are not massive. grand arched entryways into each room. These are door- sized openings. So no, if you're in the kitchen, you might not.

even see if someone walks in. You might. not even see if someone goes into the. basement if that basement door is kept. open. So, all of these could justify why. maybe some of Brian Albert Jr., Birthday. Brian's friends, didn't see John O'Keefe. that night if he were to have actually. been in the house. Netzens think this. makes perfect sense, especially now with. the Alberts selling the house. The house. had been in the Albert family for. decades. Albert, this Albert, Chris.

Albert, Kevin Albert, all of them grew. up in that house and they just randomly. decide to sell it. If you do look at the. purchase history, it says that this home. was purchased in 2010. That's not true. Brian Albert purchased it from his. parents in 2010. It was owned by his. parents before that. Furthermore, there. are rumors that Brian Albert filled the. pool in his backyard before selling the. house. He filled it to the brim with. concrete so that it's nearly impossible. to go into the pool unless you have some. sort of warrant or even the amount of. resources that it would go into digging.

up that pool. How legally exhausting. would it be to fight something like that. back and forth? The rumors state that. Brian Albert put bloody flooring from. the basement into that pool. Chloe's. body into that pool because Chloe goes. missing. >> What? >> Into that pool and then filled it in. with concrete. However, that doesn't. make sense because, well, for one, the. new owners would have every right to dig. up that filledin pool. And with the. attention that this case is getting, I'm. sure someone out there with disposable.

income would be more than happy to even. fund the operation of digging up what's. in that pool and even paying for it or. even a contractor to do it for free. attention to their services. It doesn't. make sense and doesn't make sense and. it's also not true. Brian Albert did not. fill up his pool. However, his brother. Tim Albert, Brian Albert's other brother. that's not on this wall yet, he has been. relatively quiet about this case.

>> I have so many questions. >> Yes. >> So, the pool, is it filled with concrete. or is that is that a rumor? >> At the Albert residence, it's not filled. with concrete, but the rumor was that it. was filled. And where it got. disconnected online is a different. Albert pool was recently filled with. concrete. >> Uh, Tim Albert. >> Yes. >> Gotcha. Not Brian Albert, but Tim. Albert. >> Okay. So, these are just like rumors. that's going around on social media. >> Yeah. And they've kind of merged. together, but there is a pool that's.

built. They are in the Albert family, but it is not Brian Albert's pool. It's. not 34 Fair View, >> right? And Chloe is missing. >> It depends on who you ask. If you ask. Brian Albert, he will tell you that. Khloe has been rehomed to the state of. Vermont to a new owner all the way in. Vermont. If you ask anyone online, they. might tell you that Khloe is dead. >> Why would he rehome Chloe? Like that is. pretty wild. Is How old is Chloe?

>> They've had Chloe for seven years. >> That is a weird time to rehome your dog. >> Exactly. Precisely. Tim Albert does make. a social media post. It's one of those. like alpha male lion black and white. photos of a lion and on top of that lion. are just words that read, "I stand by my. family 100%. You don't [ __ ] with them. You [ __ ] with them and I won't hesitate. to make you the most miserable person.". >> What does Tim Albert do? >> We don't know that much about Tim.

Albert. He's not a cop. However, he was. involved in a in a DUI in a little in a. little situation. We're going to come. back to Tim Albert. >> Okay. Okay. >> Tim Albert's going to join the cast of. characters. He's going to be on this. wall. Timmy's not escaping this wall. The pool is in his backyard. It's. completely filled in and there's new. grass planted on top, which is. interesting because the timing is. strange. >> First of all, how do we find out he. filled his pool? And then also, why do. you fill your pool? Tim Albert lives.

across the street from the Canton Police. Department. Tim Albert lives with the. senior senior Alberts with their. parents. >> There's even older Albert. >> Yeah. And he lives in that house. And. that pool, people have taken pictures of. that pool. People have been watching the. Albert family for a really long time. There's actually one um one person that. we're going to get into in the next. episode. He's been like doing a lot of. breaking coverage for this case, but he. was one of I believe he was the first. person to publicly state and there were.

pictures provided. So, it's not like. he's just making things up like this is. very real in front of Tim Albert's. house. People were taking pictures. You. see the pool and then later on you see. it just patches. It's all grassed up. >> That's freaking crazy. >> On top of that, the fence to the. backyard looks like it's been opened up. because whatever equipment they needed. for concrete, it doesn't look like it. had fit. So, they opened up the gate. >> and the door is now bigger. >> That is wild. >> I just I don't know why someone would. fill in a pool. I understand that maybe.

maintenance for a pool could be quite. costly, but when you own a home, you try. to maintain it. >> But timing though, when when was it. filled after this case? >> Yes. >> Recently. >> That is so bizarre. And it's not cheap. Like concrete is expensive. >> So expensive. Yes. So expensive. And I. actually think it to Yeah. how much it. costs just to fill up a pool. >> Even just to lay patches of grass on top. these days, patches of grass have been. expensive. >> Don't ask me how I know. >> Weird. That is so weird. >> Weird. The strange part of all of this,

though, is that the Zillow listing for. the main Albert residence, 34 Fair View. It states, "Have you been looking for a. great house in a perfect neighborhood? Well, here it is. The home boasts a. completely finished basement with a. family room and exercise room. But how. is the basement finished when the. flooring is just a random puzzle of. unfinished plywood that doesn't even. match? I would hardly call that. finished. It's probably the second worst. thing that you can find on the flooring. of someone's basement. And the worst.

thing would be blood. And that is where. the pool comes in because there's the. unanswered questions. Let's say. hypothetically the Alberts were to rip. up the basement flooring because maybe. there was some random dark liquidy. substance that they didn't want on. there. Where would they get rid of these. massive planks of flooring? Would they. just trash it? Or would they, I don't. know, put it inside of a giant hole in. the ground that used to be filled with. water and then fill that up with. concrete and throw patches of grass on. top of it to make it disappear? That is. the netzen theory. However, that still.

does not explain a lot of things in this. case. If this theory is true, that would. mean that Karen Reed has nothing to do. with John O'Keefe's death. But then how. would you explain all the tiny pieces of. her tail light that were found on the. Albert property near John's body? >> Okay, so you're saying that her tail. light is next to John's body? >> Yeah, there's just tail lights. everywhere on the front property. Everywhere. >> in his body. Like.

>> there are microscopic. fragments of the tail light embedded in. his clothing, but. just take everything with a grain of. salt, >> okay? But we're going to get into that. >> There are a group of people out there. that believe that Karen Reed is a. thousand% guilty. They argue Karen Reed. is guilty. She's also the one that found. him. Furthermore, she's clearly an. unstable, dishonest person. and she was. probably afraid that her cheating would. be discovered that night from Brian. Higgins and bursted into another one of.

her unpredictable rages before Jon had. the opportunity to go into that house. Yes, the police were shady. I simply. don't think that they wanted their. personal lives unearthed and affecting. their career. I don't like shady cops as. much as the next guy, but these guys. didn't frame her. Maybe they used. corrupt tactics to make sure she was. found guilty, but at the end of the day, she's guilty. which I will say anything. that reads quote maybe they used corrupt. tactics to make sure she's found guilty.

should be a massive red alarm. But I. digress. There are people that hate. Karen Reed. Some argue it's not even. that I hate her. Do I think she did it? Yeah. Did that mean that she meant to do. it or she was aware that she did it. based off of her intoxication? No. Do I. think that this was also the worst. police work riddled with conflicts of. interest? Also, yes. Others say, "It's. crazy to me how in casual conversation, police corruption is a very rational. idea, but in court, police corruption is.

irrational and absurd and it's a. conspiracy. So, people are very divided. And amongst the divided group of the. ones that do think Karen Reed did it, are obviously the Mc Alberts, but also. John O'Keefe's own family and friends. One of John's childhood friends says, "The defense theory has so many. problems. If you were going to suggest. that people in the house are part of a. conspiracy and it was a grand plan, why. would you put Johnny's body still alive, mind you, on your front lawn, there are. a set of train tracks behind their.

house, behind the Albert residence? That's a better place. They're just. saying it doesn't make any sense. They. say nothing points to anything and. anyone other than Karen Reed. John. O'Keefe wanted to be a police officer. because his grandfather was one. He told. everybody he wanted to be one of the. good ones. His family say while other. people were trying to figure out where. they belonged in the world, he knew he. wanted to be a cop. His grandfather's a. cop. It was kind of in his DNA. There. was never an ounce of fear with that job. from him. We grew up in Brainree, which.

is middle class suburb, heavy Irish, heavy Italian, and Johnny was both. A. friend of John says that she met him. decades ago and she says, "I remember I. asked him what he did for a living and. he was in the police academy." I kind of. made a joke like, "Oh, no, police. officer." and he said, "No, no, no. I'm. the good kind. I want to be a cop.". Because my grandfather was a cop. Side. note, his grandfather's police badge was. 490. John requested that exact badge. number, but because it was retired, he.

just added a two. So, his was 249. >> 9 years prior to John being found. deceased, his older sister, Kristen. Furbush, passed away with a brain tumor. She left behind a daughter and a son. And it said that John was incredibly. devastated. They were really, really. close. And John starts making all these. plans with his brother-in-law, Steven. He's like, "I'm going to move in. I'm. going to help you raise these kids, my. niece and my nephew, because my sister. is gone and these are her children." But. before John can even move in, just 2.

months after John's sister passes away, Steven, his brother-in-law, passes away. from a heart attack. So the kids, they. end up losing both parents in the span. of 2 months. John's friend says it. wasn't even a thought. John was like, "I'm taking the kids." He said, "I think. my sister would like it. I think she'd. be proud of me. I'm super close to the. kids anyway, and I want to do this." He. goes from being a single guy, a cop, to. now being this uncle/dad, which, side. note, the Boston Police Force even let.

him work a desk role so that he could. have more stable hours to help take care. of the kids. Everyone in Canton seemed. to know what he was doing. Everybody. wants to help, but it's also, I imagine, kind of hard to date. You've got two. kids now. All of your new friends, that's how he gets close with Jen McCabe. and Carrie Roberts because they have. kids that are friends with his niece and. nephew. Suddenly, he's like a soccer. dad. And you've got all these now. parents that are most likely married. with children. You're a single dad/. uncle. You're in a very specific. situation. That's not to say that John.

wasn't dating. It said that he actually. dated a lot of girls, but not a lot of. serious relationships. So during the. pandemic, John reaches out to a few of. his ex-girlfriends. I I don't know if. he's sending a mass email or the same. message or if he's just like everyone. bored from the lockdowns, but he reaches. out to Karen Reed. They dated back in. 2005. Karen says that she met John. O'Keefe at a birthday party. And she. says he was handsome, he was sweet, and. I mean I was 24, so that was about the. criteria at the time.

>> Oh wow. From young long time ago. >> From all accounts, it seems like they. had a cute summer romance. Karen went to. Ireland to work and now she's back in. town for the lockdowns. She gets a. Facebook message from John that reads, "Hey, blast from the past. How are. things?" Karen says, "I didn't answer it. right away because I saw a picture of. him with a bunch of kids." And I. thought, "Oh, he looks like he's married. and he's got kids." And then I ended up. reaching back out to him and then I. learned the backstory of where those. kids came from. And I knew that John. loved his sister more than anyone or.

anything and he loved those kids. I. didn't really aspire to have kids, but I. cared about John's kids. Karen's got her. own house about 20 minutes from Canton, so she would drive and stay with John. maybe three to four times a week. Now, side note, Karen teaches finance. She's. an asset manager, and at night she. teaches university kids about, I think, capital gains, and she works from home. So, John's niece and nephew, they also. have to do remote learning. John's a. cop. He doesn't have the ability to work.

from home. So most of the days Karen. would go to John's house, work from. home, and then give the kids lunch, take. care of them while Jon's not home. because he's a cop. And then every day. she's working from home just doing this. She's like a second parental figure. She. says, "I've never been married. I don't. have kids. I don't like envision myself. having like a white picket fence. bullshit.". >> Is that what she says? >> Yeah. >> Huh. And when it comes to marriage, she. says, "I would have considered it. strongly for John, but it's not ever. something that I've aspired to do." Some.

people are going to say goals. Other. people say it's very bleak, which to. give you some context to that, >> must be um a lot for the small town. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> I will say Karen is a very headstrong. woman. There are a lot of netizens who. think that many of these mothers were. very jealous of Karen. >> because Karen is cool. She's a single. woman. She doesn't really care to have a. traditional family and a traditional. house and be a soccer mom. She also.

seems like. >> whether you like it or not, she seems a. little crazy. She seems like she knows a. good time. She also seems like she's fun. with the boys. Like she'll drink a beer. >> She sounds outspoken, too. Is she. >> very outspoken? But Karen has recently. been diagnosed with Crohn's disease. She. also does have MS, which Jen McCabe also. has. But before she gets that message. from John on Facebook during the. pandemic, she had gone through 10. surgeries within an 18-month period. So, I can see how she doesn't care about the.

white picket fence [ __ ] She's just. trying to get through these obstacles. It's been reported that John and Karen. bond over the fact that, yeah, maybe. life has not been going according to. plan for either of us. They start. dating. Two sisters are called to. testify during Karen Reed's first trial. Laura Sullivan and Marietta Sullivan. They are the two sisters that were. present on the New Year's Eve trip that. Karen told Brian Higgins about. Brian. Haha Higgins. Remember? She was like, he. was like, "Did they bang?".

>> And I said, "Did they bang?". >> Do you remember that? >> Yeah. Yes. So those were the women that. one of them hit one of them. >> was flirting with or had a thing with. >> Everybody has a different opinion about. what happened in Aruba. I can't find a. single fact or story that everyone in. the small town of Canton is like, you. know what, that's what happened. I don't. know why everybody needs to have a. different opinion about every single. event, but that's the case with Aruba.

>> And that happened in like 2021. >> No, this happened recently. So just 29. days before John's passing, they go to. Aruba. >> Oh, >> they go to Aruba 29 days before John's. passing. And they had John was there, Karen was there, the kids were there, and there were a big group of small town. friends that were there. 60 people ended. up going. >> How do they all know each other? Well, John's best friend slashpartner in the. Boston Police Force was a guy named Pat.

He was the father of Laura Sullivan's. child. So John's Boston cop partner is. Pat. Pat and Laura Sullivan are dating. and she ends up getting pregnant with. his child. But before she even gives. birth, Pat ends up self-exiting. And. this is this was like 8 years before. Aruba. Now John was Laura's child's. godfather. He was very involved in the. child's life. Laura testifies he was the. first person in my delivery room after I. gave birth. He was a constant connection.

to Pat cuz they were best friends. He. was always just making sure that my son. was taken care of in the sense of being. there to tell him stories about his. relationship with Pat. So now 8 years. later, John, Karen, the kids, they're. going to this Aruba trip. And Karen asks. for two rooms. Karen wants her own. bathroom. She wants her own space. The. prosecutors are going to make it look. like, see, Karen is so needy. Karen is. so crazy. She's just doing too much. But. in reality, I mean, she's got Crohn's. disease. She has a lot of difficulties.

using the restroom. I think likely due. to her medical condition, she just wants. her own space. Their rooms are not. directly in front of each other because. it's just hard. They're on opposite ends. of this hotel. >> When you say two rooms, are you saying. Karen one room? John and the two niece. one room. >> Uh one niece, one nephew. Yes. So John. and the kids are going to be in one. room. Karen's going to have her own. room. But the whole trip in Aruba, Karen's taking care of the kids. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think. that's bad. Like there otherwise there's. four people and she needs her own space. Like.

>> exactly. So they end up on opposite ends. of this pretty small hotel. I mean it's. fine. Laura says this was her first time. meeting Karen and she just remembers. Karen walking up to her, giving her a. big hug, smiling that she's heard so. much about her and it is so strange. I. do think a lot of netizens have some. negative opinions about the Sullivan. sisters. I wouldn't go as far to say. that because we don't know really. anything about the Sullivan sisters. I. will say though, it is very interesting. how the prosecution keeps calling all.

these witnesses to the stand and they. all inadvertently make Karen look better. because it's also the way they say it. The Sullivan sisters are like, "Yeah, it. was my first time meeting her. She came. up to me, gave me a big hug.". >> Um, she came out, she gave me a big hug, said, "It's nice to meet you. Um, I've. heard so much about you. I recognized. you from pictures." It almost seems like. they're trying to make it sound neutral, but it sounds positive. It's a friend's. birthday that night, so the group of. them, they go out to dinner, and Laura. is asked what happens there. Again,

everyone's assuming something bad is. going to happen, but she says. >> Karen had paid the bill prior to us. receiving it. >> And what if any reaction did you or. anyone have in that instance? the entire. table was kind of taken aback, you know, said it wasn't necessary, wanted to. Venmo or or or give cash or something. along those lines and and she declined, saying that um she she was honored to be. there and and wanted to pay for it. A. lot of netizens thought, again, this. part was weird because some say it's.

giving mean friend energy. The way that. it's said, people have been analyzing. that. I mean, to be fair, they are. testifying at the trial. I don't know. what you expect them to do to just like. smile and giggle through it. I don't. know. I mean, maybe I would because I'm. so nervous, but it seems like they're. just trying to be as neutral as. possible. But a lot of people are saying. that sounds like an amazing first. impression. Why are they even bringing. this up? However, Laura's little sister, Marietta, not nearly as good of a first. impression of Karen Reed. She gets up in.

the stand and Marietta says that she. ends up flying into Aruba a little later. than her sister. And when she first. arrives at the hotel, she's busy saying. hi to everybody. I mean, clearly she. knows John. That's her nephew's. godfather. Marietta says he was similar. to a big brother to me. >> Um, he was similar to a big brother to. me. He was somebody who was there for my. sister during her darkest times. So, I. really respected him for that. Um, but. yeah, he was a he was a big brother and. a family friend. She ends up running. into him in the lobby the first night. after dinner and she says that John.

O'Keefe is stumbling into the lobby. She. had just gotten out of the elevator. John O'keefee is alone and Marietta says. >> my initial response to him was, "Whoa, you okay?" I actually said, "Whoa, Godfather, are you okay?" Um, but yeah, he uh was stumbling into the the lobby. >> She says that she goes up to him and. gives him a hug. She says that he was. glassy eyed looking above me. We never. made eye contact. It was like he was. looking above me. It looked like he was. looking for someone. I asked him, "Where. are you going?" assuming that he would.

be coming to the pool bar to meet all of. us. So, I guess all the friends were. there. He kept looking around and he. indicated that he was going that way and. pointed toward a bank of rooms to our. right. And I said, "Well, you should go. that way." And I stepped back and I. guided him toward the area that he was. going. He walked off. I continued out to. the pool bar where I heard very loudly. his name screamed across the lobby very. angrily and it made me stop in my. tracks. So, I turn around to go back in. >> As I'm going back in, I hear um someone. yell, "Who the was that?" As I come.

around the corner, I see uh Mr. O'Keefe. walking toward a woman. He said, "Um, calm down. That's that's Laura's little. sister." I said, "Hi, nice to meet you.". Um, that's when u Miss Reeds had snapped. up. Um, and she very loudly told me to. go myself across the lobby and I said, "Yeah, you too." and walked away. This. was my first interaction with her. I had. never been fully introduced to her at. all. She was just very loud. She was. very energetically screaming at me to go.

[ __ ] myself. She was waving with her. hands. Johnny was trying to calm her. down. And after I said, "Yeah, you too.". I went out to the pool bar and I didn't. see much after that. I went straight to. my sister Laura and I looked at her and. I said, "John's girlfriend." And she. looked at me and said, "Karen?" And I. said, "Yeah, you guys like her?" She. said, "Yeah, she's okay." And I said, "Well, she sucks." Laura, Marietta's. sister, says that she wants to talk to. John about the whole thing. So, it seems. like obviously Laura and John are. closer.

>> So, Laura wants to talk about her. sister. >> Yeah. What happened? And she says, quote, I said, "What's going on?" And he. said, "Nothing." I said, "Did a Marietta. and Karen have words?" He said, "I don't. know." And I said, "Well, that's not. what Marietta said." And I asked him if. everything was okay. And at the time, his phone was lighting up and it looked. like calls, text messages, calls, text. messages. And it said Karen on his. phone. I asked him if he needed to take. it and he said, "Yeah, she's crazy. I. got to take care of this." Laura says. throughout the entire trip, he just. didn't seem like himself. She says, quote, "He seemed distant.".

>> I asked him if he was okay and he kind. of just, you know, shrugged it off. And. I said, you know, are you happy? He kind of just rolled his eyes and. shrugged it off. And I said, "Well, you. know, something along the lines of life. is too short to not be happy." And he. goes, "Well, you know, Laura, it is what. it is." I I did ask him if he wanted to. talk about it. I said, "Do you want to. talk about it?" And he's like, "Not. really.". >> Eventually, Laura says that John tells. her, "Well, apparently I made out with. your sister the other night." According. to Karen, Side note, it has been debated.

whether or not they did make out. Both. the sisters kind of state that they. never made out. Some netizens feel like. they have mean girl energy, and if. Marietta did kiss John, she could have. easily said no. Additionally, she had a. boyfriend that night or that time, so. she could have lied. Wait, this is all. from, you know, you know how Karen was. telling Brian Higan that John was making. out with a girl and the sisters are. saying that was the incident in the. elevator. They're just walking out, exchange words, but Karen thought e.

either thinking something happened or. whatever that it that was all the. sisters are saying. >> Yeah. >> Wow. I mean, some say the way that. Marietta describes hugging Jon, it feels. very intimate. >> to notice that he's like looking above. her while they're hugging it. It just I. don't know. Some people the way that she. says that she testifies sounds more. intimate. People have been really. dissecting it. Either way, Karen ends up. believing that they did kiss at some. point and then she ends up believing. that she believed it wrong. Another.

thing to note that could indicate why. Karen was so angry is Karen was in the. hotel room taking care of the niece and. nephew while Jon was out getting drunk. So that might have led her to believe. that he was out doing something that he. shouldn't have been doing and she caught. him in the act. Later Karen pulls Laura. aside and she says, "Hey, I'm sorry. I. thought I saw something that I didn't. and I would like to pay for some of your. sister's room.". >> Really? >> Yeah. Laura testifies. I said it's. absolutely not necessary. Just an. apology will do. >> Wow. The prosecutor asks her, did she.

persist in wanting to pay for that room? She did. >> She just said, "I I I will apologize, but I something along the lines of, you. know, I want to pay for some of her. room. Can I just have her room number? I. don't remember if I gave her the room. number or not. I don't really know.". >> Obviously, this Aruba incident was a big. deal for Karen. She was texting ATF. Brian about it, and she sounds really. hurt, which is why nizens are confused. why the sisters were called to testify. I mean, they have no connection with the. alleged crime, the alleged charges. Additionally, some nitizens feel like it.

actually validated Karen's side more. But nevertheless, that was beginning of. 2022. 28 days later, John O'Keefe and. Karen, they get into another fight. The. morning of January 28th, >> the day. >> technically the day of Karen and John, they start arguing and it's mainly. because Karen took John's niece to. Dunkin Donuts for breakfast. Karen says. he thought I spoiled them. I was miffed. because it was just in the essence of. saving time. I would say the arguments.

that we've had, this was probably one of. the unfair ones, so I got my backup more. than I normally did. And it sounds kind. of like an unbelievable fight, but a. close friend of John's does state that. Jon would complain about Karen. And what. would he complain about? Quote, "I did. hear him complain about when Karen would. buy very nice things for the kids. He. wouldn't like that." Stuff like that. buy very nice things. >> Mhm. Or take the kids to get their nails. done or something like that. He didn't. like it. >> Huh. >> Which a lot of nizens again are saying, "Wait, how is this helping the.

Commonwealth case?" Because so we're. just mad that Karen has financial. resources and she's using them on not. even her own kids. >> Exactly. >> There's a text from Karen Reed to John. O'Keefe read January 28th, 2022, 9:49. a.m. You have really hurt me this time. John responds, "I'm sorry. This has been. an issue with me for eight years, it. physically hurts me to see everyone else. in their lives, the kids' lives do. things for them and I'm forced to always. be the bad guy. Which while I can see.

how frustrating that is for Jon just on. a human level, a lot of nonsens also. argue, but that's not Karen's fault. because Karen is not their parent, is. not their guardian, is not their. parental figure. And if anything, she's. being nice to the kids. In fact, a lot. of people say that the kids loved Karen. and that actually caused a lot of strain. in their relationship. Karen responds, "I am not the same as everyone else. Most of the time, I try to do what is. healthy and smart for them. More. importantly, I try to support you on. what you need. You just lashed out at me.

and said terrible things. I don't know. how you've gotten to this point with me. when I'm just trying my hardest. You. made your point and you continue to beat. me down. I have a lot going on, too. Physically, I'm falling apart and trying. to get answers and help. I'm just your. girlfriend. I'm not a perfect parent. I'm trying very hard and sometimes treat. them nothing like I used to. So, a lot. of people think it indicates that maybe. prior she would make a lot of meals that. were maybe healthier. John responds, "I. know. I'm sorry for lashing out. I'm. just hurting and struggling daily with.

them. Always feel like I'm failing at. this parenting thing. I wasn't built for. this." Karen responds, "Nie, the niece's. name redacted. Isn't perfect, but. everything wonderful about her is. because of you. I know she's her. mother's daughter, but she wouldn't be. so bright and successful if she lived. with anyone else. >> These are the morning of or. >> Yeah. Karen's texting him not to lose. faith in the kids or himself. And she. says, "Life can pick you up sometimes. Please be happy with them and put away. your frustrations for the rest of the. day and just be so proud of yourself, JJ." But later in the day, I think Karen.

has some time to stew about it. She. thinks about it a little bit and she. responds, "I feel pretty about how this. morning went down. I know you said. sorry, but it really stung, especially. when I've been trying pretty hard. lately. I feel like a loser turning. around just coming back over to the. house after everything you said. John. responds, "Not sure what else you want. me to do. I said I'm sorry and I was out. of line. If you prefer to stay home, I. totally get it. Things in my own life. have been difficult, too. You know, I. know text messages. Some netizens don't.

think it puts John O'Keefe in the best. light either. Um, I guess he does. consistently brush her off when she. wants to talk about how hard she's. trying and she does have her own. struggles as well. And other times when. she's trying to communicate, he's very. standoffish. And I think a lot of people. think that adds to the statement that. Jen McCabe said, which is that all the. women in these little soccer PTA mom. groups think that Karen Reed is just a. glorified babysitter. Karen says, "Tell.

me if you're interested in someone else. I can't think of any other reason you've. been like this. Nope. Things haven't. been great between us for a while. Ever. consider that? Kids are here. I'm not in. the mood to talk. So, you're not into it. anymore? That's fine, but I don't want. to keep trying and you keep treating me. like this. I'm trying to kiss and hug. you this morning, and you whack me in. the face with a pillow. He says, "Sick. of always arguing and fighting. It's. been weekly for several months now. So, yeah, I'm not as quick to jump back into. being loveydvey as you apparently." It.

it appears that Karen tries to get in. contact with him by calling him. non-stop. I don't know what non-stop. means, but he says, "OMG, stop calling. I've explained it a few times already. I'm not doing it again." So, you're not. into this anymore? Not into fighting all. the time. Correct. If you tell me you're. interested in someone else, you will. never hear from me again. You can have. all the space in the world. He just. responds in caps. I'm not answering. Stop calling. She texts him. I'm going. to grab a drink in a bit. Can you please. answer? John responds, "No, Karen. Not.

sure why you need to announce that. you're grabbing a drink, but have fun.". She says, "Seeing if you want to meet me. later." Again, a lot of people say that. these texts give the impression that. Karen just really wanted attention from. John, and that could explain why she was. reaching out to Brian. Haha, Higgins. It. seems like she just wanted Jon to show. her some sort of I mean, the logic is. coherent. I'm not saying it's the right. thing to do. She later texts John. O'Keefe, frustrated. I've been dealing. with my own personal crisis over things. that I have zero control over. I'd like.

to lean on you too sometimes. Instead, I. just hear everything I've done wrong. She also states that she doesn't want to. go meet him at the house right now. because she feels like the second she. walks in the niece and nephew are going. to get chatty with her and quote that's. going to irritate you. So again, which. further I mean at this point in the text. message, he doesn't disprove the theory. Wait, she's saying that if the nieces. are showing like interest in Karen, like. getting getting close, like you know, being friendly, that's going to irritate. John O'Keefe. >> I don't think it's just the fact that.

they're probably friendly with Karen. Reed. It's the fact that they probably. think that John O'Keefe is the bad guy, the bad cop. >> and she's the fun one. >> And they're going to be like, "You're. fun, unlike JJ." And maybe they say. stuff like that. I don't know. You know, so I mean there was another incident. where Karen said that the kids had gone. on to vacation with John O'Keefe's. parents. When they get back, they hugged. Karen first and that was kind of a. situation in their relationship.

>> I think that maybe some netizens are. saying it also adds to the dynamic of. the fact that these are not his kids. If. they were his kids, he'd probably be a. lot happier that maybe his kids even. like his partner more than they like him. cuz that's what teenagers do. But I. think it's the fact that he was also. their uncle, their fun uncle for the. longest time. >> Fascinating. >> And then now he's I I don't know. Right. But Karen states that John would get a. little upset over things like this. Side. note, in the text messages there are.

conversations about a water heater that. was not working at Karen's house. And. it's interesting because again, when you. read these messages, some people. interpret as, "God, Karen Reed is so. annoying. She's so needy, so. highmaintenance.". Others think Jon is just kind of mean. towards her and not really showing her. basic appreciation. He just the only reason he even invites. her to CF McCarthy's that night is. because he tells her straight up his. friend is going home so he needs a ride.

essentially. And again, this does not. really help the prosecution. In fact, it. just shows that Karen Reed wants a. healthy relationship. If she's not. getting it, she would just rather John. tell her and they can move on. That's. the vibe. And it also seems like she. likes him more than he likes her, which. would mean that her outburst of. believing that he's cheating on her. doesn't seem so far left field. One net. comment reads, "To be honest, I expected. the text to be really bad. Thus far, I. just see a lot of standard couple. [ __ ] Karen says this fight was.

pretty rough. She ends up calling her. dad that day before going to CF. McCarthy's and then Waterfall and then. 34 Fair View. She's at her house and she. just says, "My father just gently said. to me, Karen, why don't you stay home. tonight? It's going to snow anyway." But. I didn't. And she says, "Dad, if I had. listened to you, none of this would have. happened because now John is being. rushed to the Good Samaritan Hospital, and the likelihood of him surviving is. very slim. His body temperature is at. 80° F or 26.7°.

C, which means multiple organs are. already shutting down." A paramedic does. mention when someone's hypothermic and. in cardiac arrest, we can't declare them. dead or passed on until they've been. warmed up. A lot of times with. hypothermic patients, they can appear to. be dead when they're actually still. alive. So, there have been instances. where people have woken up in the morgs. that were hypothermic and when their. body is warmed up a little bit. So, we. have to be very cautious, very careful. about treating them as much as we can. But that doesn't seem to be the case. here. There is a fatal laceration to the.

back of John O'Keefe's head that has. caused multiple skull fractures and. bleeding in the brain. John O'Keefe will. pass in the hospital. While Karen is two. doors down on the same floor, losing her. mind, Karen gets section 12d in that. same hospital. She says while at the. scene, she calls her mom. She calls her. dad, her brother. Nobody's answering. She's freaking out. Eventually, her dad. calls her back. And in this emotional, distraught state, Karen tells her dad. she does not want to exist anymore. He. is so nervous for his daughter, he calls. the police to make sure that they're.

making sure she's not trying to do. anything. >> like the Kemp Police Department. >> Yes. And they section 12 her because you. know his trust in the police was very. high at this point. >> Could you explain section 12 for. >> it's like a psych evaluation. So she's. forced to go to the hospital, go through. a mental evaluation to make sure that. she's not going to self-exit and be a. harm to herself and or to other people. She ends up two doors down from John. John's parents are driven to the. hospital by Carrie Roberts. So after.

leaving the scene, she actually drives. back to the scene. It's very. complicated. She and Karen leave 34 Fair. View together. And then the officer. calls Carrie Roberts and is like, "You. got to bring Karen back cuz we got to. section 12 her." So then she drives back. to 34 Fair View. Karen gets ambulanced. to the hospital, section 12. Carrie. Roberts then goes to pick up John. O'Keefe's mom and dad, Peggy, and they. drive to the hospital. and Peggy. O'Keefe, John's mother, says. We started. walking down the corridor of the. hospital. And as I'm walking down, I.

hear Karen Reed yell, "Peg, is he dead? Is he dead? Peg, Peg, is he dead?" And I. just kept walking. And then I asked, I. don't know if it was a nurse or a. worker. I just asked, "What is she doing. here?" And she says, "Oh, she's being. psych evaluated." To which Peggy is. later asked by prosecutor Brennan. Special prosecutor Brennan right here. >> He's the prosecutor for trial number. two. >> Yes. And he's a special prosecutor. So, he's not a DA. He's brought in. specifically for this case. And he's. paid like half a million dollars. Sharper than Lai, I will say. But, uh,

it's still kind of his nickname online. is Spanky. >> Spanky. >> Cuz his name is Hank. >> Hank. Spanky. >> Yeah, they call him Spanky. >> That's it. Just because of his name is. Hank. >> I think it's special prosecutor. >> Ah, >> Hank. And I think it's supposed to. >> Spank. >> be not the nicest nickname. >> Spanky. Got it. >> Yeah. to which Peggy is asked later by. Spanky. So when she was yelling, could. you describe her mood or demeanor? Was. she animated? She was loud. I don't.

know. She was just loud as she was. saying it. Paul O'Keefee, John's. brother, will also later testify that. Karen screamed at him, too. To which. Paul at this point blows Karen a kiss. and walks off with his family. This. blowing of the kiss has been interpreted. in drastically different ways depending. on the netizen. Some people think that. it's a just him trying to show her love. in a very difficult situation where. everything is falling apart. Others say. it's kind of weird, you know. I don't. know. Now, a firefighter later testifies.

that it appeared to him that Karen was. showing signs consistent of having gone. through a traumatic experience, rapid. repetitive speech, and it's been said. that she was freaking out about how she. was going to take care of the kids. So, she might have felt some sort of. responsibility there. Karen's brother. says when Karen finds out that John is. gone, she does lose it for a little bit, but within a short period of time, she. finds a way out. She says, "By the time. I finally get out of the hospital, right. before noon, I said, "Dad, I want to go. see the kids." So Karen, her dad, and.

her brother, they all drive to John. O'Keefe's house where John's parents, John's brother, John's father, his niece. and nephew were all there. And Karen. says, "I hugged his dad and his niece, greeted his brother and his mother. I. knew they had just identified the body. and I said, "Paul," which is John's. brother, "Paul, what did he look like? What happened?" And he said, "My brother. looks like he went five rounds with. Tyson. Looks like he got beat up." Paul. would later say about looking at his. brother, "He was pretty banged up. His.

eyes had swelled up. He had a breathing. tube in or a mask. Anyway, blood coming. down his nose, blood coming down his. mouth. What really stood out to me were. the eyes. It was almost as if there were. pingpong balls under his eyelids. They. were that swollen." However, Karen. states John's mom clearly doesn't agree. She claims Jon's mom quote and his. mother leaned over the kitchen island. and says to me, "I think he looks like. he got hit by a car. I think he looks. like he got hit by a car." And I'm like, "Wait a minute. Were you both looking at. the same body?" That's what Karen says.

Karen eventually goes upstairs to grab. her things and she just she knew. immediately the whole thing felt off. That's why she doesn't end up staying a. long time. Karen's dad and brother are. also there. And Karen's brother says, "After a couple of minutes, John's. brother gets a phone call, he leaves the. room, and when he comes back, the way he. looked at my sister, it was like time. stopped. Oxygen left that room at that. point, and there was some serious looks. of guilt being thrown at Karen, subsequently at my father and I as. well." Karen says, "I could read the. room. I could tell that I wasn't wanted.

there. She really was not." Later, Peggy. O'Keefe testifies. >> And then they came in and then he said, "Do you mind if we go upstairs to get a. couple of her things?" which and I never. should have let them go up there, but at. the time and I really didn't have. anybody else to help me keep them down. in the kitchen. So, I don't know what. they got up there, what they did up. there. >> So, Peggy is saying I shouldn't have let. Karen upstairs that day. Peggy also. states that she doesn't remember ever. saying anything to Karen along the lines. of accusing her of hitting him with her.

car, but I don't know. One of John's. closest friends also states, "We had no. details at this point. I immediately. called Johnny's brother Paul and Paul. started to fill in some of the gaps. Everyone liked Karen and everything. changed on the morning of the 29th and. everyone thought if she did this, she's. going to be held responsible for it. And. at this point, we didn't necessarily. think that Karen hit him on purpose. We. just know that something happened. She. hit him and she left. One of John's.

friends compares it to Karen needs to. fall on the sword if this is what she. did. They just want her to admit it, show remorse, and they can move on. But. as the trial goes on, they change their. minds and they say, quote, "This is. quite literally a murder carnival." And. it's as though Karen is the happiest. murder defendant in America, walking a. red carpet on her way into her own. murder trial. >> That's weird. What changed? >> They truly believe that Karen did it. And they think that all these.

conspiracies are just heinous. conspiracies crafted by the defense to. >> they think Karen did it on accident at. first. >> and then they're like if she is trying. this hard to make up all these quote. lies and conspiracies and brainwash the. media then that means that she might. have done it on purpose. And there are. things that maybe they just can't. justify. like the fact that a tiny piece. of John O'Keefe's hair is found on the. bumper of Karen Reed's car. Now, some. argue, yeah, well, that's not really.

that abnormal. I mean, John O'Keefe like. Karen Reed would park her car in John. O'Keefe's garage. This is not this is. not completely unheard of. Other people. say the fact that the hair was found on. her car should already be alarming. because at this point, her car has been. driven around a blizzard. It's been. towed from police station to a h. It's. towed everywhere and people are. confused. Quote, "You're going to tell. me a hair stays on the bumper throughout. the entire 60 mi back and forth through.

a blizzard and you're going to find a. tiny hair on the bumper. That doesn't. make sense. Other things that don't make. sense, well, you've got Michael Proctor. To have an stellar performance review. for work is a very hard endeavor. If. you've never had a bad mark on your. employee performance review in 12 years, you might as well brag about it, too. Saying, quote, "I've never had a single. complaint. I've never been the subject. of any disciplinary actions. All my. employee evaluations are either. outstanding or excellent." But, sir, quit playing. We know exactly what.

you've done. Trooper Proctor is up on. the witness stand, and for my audio. listeners, he looks like a freshly. boiled egg. There's not really a more. eloquent way to describe his features, though. Proctor is a witness. and one of. the lead investigators on the case of. the death of John O'Keefe. He's sitting. at the witness stand looking like a. defendant. I mean, he might as well be. He's fighting for his life. He tries to. win the jury over with the fact that. he's been doing this job for 10 years. And everyone's like, that's actually.

terrifying. 5 years with the homicide. unit. Again, we're scared. Several. homicide schools he's attended. That's. what he calls them, homicide schools. He. also has experience working in. narcotics. A lot of people are like, "Lots of cops with access to drugs." He. was on a shift when the call comes in. that there was a male party discovered. on the snow outside of a residence. That's what he says he was told. He. wasn't told anything else. Canton. police, these three right here, the. Canton clowns. They quickly fill him in.

that it's a Boston cop, 10% survival. rate. That's what Proctor says that he's. told. And the first stop Proctor says. he's going to make is going to the woman. that called 911, Jen McCabe. He goes, drives over to Jennifer McCabe's house. where Jen McCabe is there. Her husband. Matt McCabe is there. And then also her. brother-in-law, fellow Boston cop, the. man whose lawn John O'Keefe was found, Brian Albert, he is also at Jen McCabe's. house. >> This is second day, first day, 29th. >> Yeah. The 29th. So the Canton cops, they. come out to 34 Fair View. They're.

actually the first ones to talk to. Jennifer McCabe. Officer Lenz, he goes. inside the house and he's talking to. Jennifer McCabe. Gallagher. This one. also goes inside the house and he's. talking to Jennifer McCabe and he's. talking to Brian Albert. And then. they're like, "You know what? We got to. recuse ourselves because that's what. Chief Burkowitz wants." He says, "We. can't cuz Kevin Albert has been with us. for 18 years. Body found on Brian. Albert's lawn. We got to recuse. ourselves." Do they really recuse. themselves? Not really. So then the.

Canton clowns, these three, okay, they. go and they talk to the troopers that. are taking over, >> the trooper trolls. Okay, so they go to. the trolls and the trolls are like, "Okay, what's going on? Just give us the. details so we don't have to do our job.". They say, "You should probably talk to. Jennifer McCabe." That is where Trooper. Proctor goes. >> So he pulls up in Jen McKay's house and. Brian Aubber is now at Jen McKay's. house. >> Yes. >> They shifted their meeting from Brian's. house to Jen McKay's house. >> Yes. Brian is like, "Listen, I went to.

Jen's house because she's my. sister-in-law. She was going through an. awful time that morning, as we all were, and I wanted to be there to comfort her. if she needed anything because we were. we're close. I didn't want her to feel. like this was too much for her to. handle. A few things about that. Um, the. man was found on your lawn. >> Mhm. >> Also, your wife's lawn. Maybe you should. worry about your own wife. A lot of. people think a fairies, swinger theory, a fair theory. >> Other people think that's a nice excuse. to be like, I wanted to make sure that.

she doesn't up. Some people think, "What. if it was a coincidence? What if he was. just checking in on Jen?" And then. Trooper Proctor shows up. Well, during. cross-examination, Jackson asks Brian, "Isn't it true that. you knew or at least you believed that. an interview with Jen McCabe as part of. an official police investigation was. going to occur at her house?" Yes. You. were not asked by the police to join. her, correct? No. Isn't it true that you. knew you had been notified uh or at. least you believed that an interview. with Tim McCabe as part of an official.

police investigation was going to occur. at her house? >> Yes. >> You were not asked by the police to join. her. Correct. >> No. >> Proctor does not think that this is. weird at all in the slightest. I'm not. sure he knows how to do that. Think that. is. I don't think he thinks at all. To. him this is three birds, one stone. Let's interview Jen, Matt, and Ryan all. at once because technically these are. the last three people to see John. O'Keefe alive. Whether that be at. Fairview, whether that be at the. Waterfall Bar, these are extremely.

important witnesses. And I believe that. anyone who has at least seen one. documentary and maybe one episode of. Brooklyn 999 would have better. investigative skills than the trooper. trolls. They interview the three with no. audio, no body cam, nothing. Barely any. notes. Michael Proctor is asked by ABC, "Does it change the nature of the. investigation when you know the deceased. is a cop?". >> Does it change the nature of the. investigation when you know that the. deceased is a cop?

>> No, it it nor should it it. >> because again, when you're dealing with. a police officer, a cop that has died, I. mean, officers are usually very. enthusiastic about solving that case. >> True. True. Yeah, >> but no notes, no audio, just winging it. He says, "No, it it doesn't change. anything that the deceased is a police. officer." He says, "Nor should it." I. mean, there is a little more emotion.

involved towards the deceased, which. makes sense. And maybe that justifies. why he starts looking through deceased. officer's girlfriend's phone for nudes. You're like, "Yeah, I'm extra sad. because the deceased is one of one of. me." We're all law enforcement. We face. the same battles every day. We relate to. each other. >> So, what happened immediately after they. call Karen Reed to the station and and. took over her phone. >> No. Later, they go to Karen's house or. Karen's dad's house. They tow her car. and they seize her phone. And then he.

starts immediately looking for nudes. But he's telling ABC, you know, I was a. little more emotional because the. deceased was a cop. And everyone's like, "Oh, so you're so emotional about the. deceased being a fellow officer of the. law that you're like, you know what? Just to like spit on his grave, I'm. going to look for his girlfriend's naked. photos.". >> No news so far. >> No news so far. Correct. >> Correct. >> And who was he texting that those. message to? Exactly. >> The trooper trolls. This one.

specifically. Been. >> that is crazy. Let's say there are. photos. You think you would just share. the photos then? Yes, because he said no. nudes so far and one of the other. troopers that's not on this wall yet, he. thumbs down the message as in like. disappointed. >> Like darn. Proctor's sheer shamelessness. makes my head spin. On the stand, Proctor has to read his messages out. loud. He tries to read them in the most. casual tone, not unlike Brian. Haha. Higgins. >> I said, "Haha, how did you get my.

digits?" "Haha, I'm shy." And I said, "Haha." I said, "Haha." I said haha. again. >> And he's just like trying to act as if. he's reading off the Cheesecake Factory. menu, but I don't think that there is an. any way in which he can cadence delivery. his way out of these words that he. texted. He reads, and this is in. reference to him talking to his high. school buddies, why he's not. investigating the homeowner. >> High school buddy. That's a friend. >> Yeah, these are friends. So, he's got. multiple group chats.

>> that Okay. So, these are civilians. Yes. That's asking Proctor about this case. investigation. >> Yes. He writes, "From all accounts, he. aka Brian Albert didn't do anything. wrong. She's a whack job. C U N T. >> From all accounts, he didn't do anything. wrong. She's a whack job.". >> Auntie Bev stops him. Auntie Bev says, "So don't spell it. You have to So this. these are your words, Trooper Proctor.". >> Yes, Shiron. >> Go ahead and say them.

Uh, yes, she's a babe. Weird fall river. accent, though. Though, no ass. >> Friend responds, "Ah, not newsworthy.". Then, good no ass. Proctor laughs in the. group chat. >> The friend say, "This is not. newsworthy.". >> Yeah, because she has no ass. >> And then he goes, >> "No." Another friend says, "Good. No. ass." Like, "Good. She's going down. No. ass." And Proctor is like, "Haha, that.

was comedic gold." Proctor laughs in the. group chat, which if you're the lead. investigator on this case and Amanda's. found deceased outside another man's. house, but you want only to investigate. the girlfriend because she's a whack. job, that's terrifying. But Proctor is. like, "No, listen. Listen, the. compelling evidence against Miss Reed at. this point indicated that Mr. Albert had. nothing to do with Mr. O'Keefe's death. The rest of the unprofessional and. regrettable comments are something I'm. not proud of and shouldn't have written. in a private or any type of setting.". Side note, Proctor has multiple group. chats going on. All of which is a.

cesspool of derogatory comments being. made. One, like I said, is with his high. school buddies, his friends, and then. another one which is his work. colleagues, including his supervisor. This one right here, Buchanan Proctor. sends his buddies pictures of this one. is back to his high school buddies of. Karen Reed being escorted from the state. police Milton barracks. His friend asks, "Is this chick a smoke?" H nut bag as. chief would say chief maybe referencing.

Tully. Tully is the big boss. It's Tully. Buchananic Proctor in the. >> king of order. Yes. So Tully is the top. dog and then goes to a Buchanan and then. goes down to Proctor. >> Yes. >> And Tully calls her a nut job. >> It's alleged that he's referencing. Tully. Okay. He could be referencing. Burkowitz, but that's not his chief. But. his official title is not chief, >> but somebody. So, one of the officers, top dogs,

>> he says. >> I also respond with she's got a leaky. balloon knot. Uh, leaks poo. >> Lai asks him to explain that. >> to misread some medical conditions. there. Um, again, unprofessional. comments I should not have made. Um, these juvenile unprofessional comments. have zero impact on the facts and the. evidence and the integrity of this. investigation. They said these are. unprofessional comments, but they. absolutely do not detract from the. integrity of the investigation or the. facts and evidence of it.

>> What's crazy is, I did see a few nizens. agreeing with Proctor with one writing, a cop's group chat with friends proves. what now? Another says, just imagine all. your personal messages on display. Another casualty of Karen the. narcissist. go to jail, Karen. They. continue to talk about Karen Reed in. Proctor's group chat. If she's hot. enough to get away with the crime, to. which Proctor responds, zero chance she. skates, she's [ __ ] He also responds. to, "If she's hot," he says, "if you. like women who [ __ ] themselves." To. which to the jurors, he's all again a.

regrettable comment I made about Miss. Reed's medical condition. Proctor's. testimony is a painful series of. regrettable messages. Some netizens. believe that he's only started. regretting them because he's been. caught. Others say that the only ones. with regret should be his parents, but. it appears that they are standing by. their son. However, the more alarming. messages are the ones between Proctor. and the trooper trolls cuz why are you. texting your supervisor about no nudes. yet and why are they thumbs uping that.

message? Bouetek thumbs ups that. message. >> So someone's thumbs down. thumbs up. >> Yeah. He also texts into that group as. he's investigating this ongoing. investigation where you cannot come up. with your own outcome before you. investigate. He said, "Karen said the. Alberts beat the [ __ ] out of O'Keeffe, left him for dead, and that's why her. tail light was cracked. She's gross.". Another trooper responds, "Oh, her. bitch." Then another trooper sends a.

picture of David Yianetti. >> David Yianetti. >> Karen Reed's Boston attorney. Boston. based attorney. the only local attorney. during the first trial on her team. And. Proctor responds, "Funny, I'm going. through his rworded client's phone.". >> Funny. I'm going through his [ __ ]. client's phone. No nude so far. I hate. that man. I truly hate him. >> Talking about Yanetti. >> Do they know each other? >> They don't. They don't know each other. at all. Proctor continues, of course, to. insist that this entire investigation is. completely filled to the brim.

overflowing cup runth over from. integrity and honor. Proctor says that. he has this aha moment at the hospital. when he goes to see John O'Keefe's body. He is escorted by Buchen, his. supervisor. So the two trooper trolls, they go to Good Samaritan and Proctor is. like, "Look, John O'Keefe is missing a shoe. They. only found one shoe on him.". >> He says the only thing that jumped out. to both of us was that he only had one. sneaker. The reason that was important.

was important at the time is during my. training and experience and it's fairly. common in a motor vehicle pedestrian. incident for if not both pieces of. footwear to remain at the point of. contact but at least one. So he's saying. sometimes people will get literally hit. out of their shoes. >> That's common. >> It does seem to be common, but you have. to be going at pretty high speeds. He. says, "I've been to pedestrian strikes. where both shoots were right at the. point of contact. I've seen it where the. people got completely ripped out of. their clothing and their clothes are at. the point of contact. I don't know how.

true that is. That's what gives him the. feeling though and gives Buchananic the. feeling that they're on to something. That is when he decides to follow the. leads the one shoe Jen McCabe saying. that hey Karen said I hit him. He. believes that perhaps Karen did indeed. hit John O'Keefe with her car. So it's. time for trooper proctor and Buchanan to. pay Karen Reed a visit. This is the same. day, January 29th, 2022. They call. Karen. She's been released from the. hospital. She went to John O'Keefe's. house. She had that weird incident with. John's family. She's now gone back to.

her dad's house. She's staying with her. dad. And they don't live in Canton. They. live in a place called Diton. This is. important later, but it's a completely. different jurisdiction. They show up at. the house, the blizzard is coming down. strong. So much so that when they get to. Karen's dad's front door, it won't even. open because the snow is piled up. blocking it. So Karen is like, "Can you. come around the garage? I can open the. garage and you can come in through the. garage." That's where she lets them in. And both Proctor and Buchananic testify. as they're passing Karen's Lexus in. question. Proctor states, "It's not just.

shattered," a significant chunk is. missing from that tail light. The right. rear tail light. So, the passenger tail. light in the back had large pieces. missing from it. Proctor says, "We knew. We were very confident. We knew what had. transpired, which was Karen Reed backed. her vehicle into John O'Keefe." They're. actually so confident that before they. even get to Karen's dad's house and lay. eyes on this car potentially. I could. understand if they see the car and they. see large chunks missing and they're. like, "Hey, I think she hit him with the.

car." I could maybe see that. But they. were actually so confident that even. before they got to Karen's dad's house. and laid eyes on this vehicle in. question, they're already on the phone. with Dyon police trying to find out how. to get her car towed back to Canton. They put all their eggs in this basket. and they're going to die on this hill. Whether the Easter Bunny comes to town. or not, they don't care. That is when. Karen's phone and her car are seized by. the trooper trolls. And sure, Proctor is. corrupt, but how do you explain 45 plus.

pieces of Karen Reed's tail light that. are found in the snow on the front lawn. of 34 Fair View Road in the vicinity. where Jonno O'Keefe's body is found. 40some pieces of tail light. I mean, some are tiny little fragments the size. of a dime. Others are the size of a. banana buried in the snow. I mean, the. evidence that Karen Reed did it was. maybe right there all along. Or was it? Back to the Canton clowns. Sergeant Good.

is working dispatch. He's sitting at the. Canton Police Department all night. He's. picking up the 911 calls. First call he. picks up in relation to this case, Carrie Roberts. She's like, "Hey, my. friend's girlfriend just called and is. like, "John is missing. Do you have any. reports of anything?" Nothing. Oh, okay. Thanks. Then Jen McCabe calls and is. like, "Hey, so there's a guy like laying. in the snow. He's picking up both those. calls. All he does is dispatch people, but that day he's like, "I'm going to. go. Someone take over. I'm going to head. out.".

>> What? >> Cuz this is a big call and I'm I'm a. sergeant, so I'm going to go. So he. calls in Kelly. Kelly De, she's crazy. She's in the next one. He calls in Kelly. Dever. She takes over dispatch. It's a. whole thing. Sergeant Good comes to the. address. He calls Gallagher. Gallagher. is his boss. His supervisor is. Gallagher. He calls Gallagher. Gallagher. ends up going to the wrong address. It's either suspicious or it's stupid. That's how I sum up every law.

enforcement decision in this case. It's. either stupid or it's suspicious because. nothing is ever making any sense here. I. don't understand anything. He ends up. going to the wrong address and then he's. like, "You know what? I'm not even gonna. go there right now. I'm going to stop by. the Canton police station before I head. over there. So, he grabs himself one of. those reflective jackets because it's. dark outside. He doesn't grab anything. else like an evidence bag, anything, just a reflective jacket. He shows up at. the scene. Sergeant Good had already. called for another person, Officer Link, Michael Link, to show up. So, now it's.

the three Canton clowns that are there. Okay, there's two other Canton officers. there, but they're lower rank and. they're not as pertinent to this case. We talked about them briefly in part one. where they just talk about what they. heard, what they didn't hear, and the. situations. Mainly, their dash cam. footage is the most important, but other. than that, they don't really. Now, mind. you, Gallagher is the highest ranking. one at the scene, top dog at the scene. And at the scene, he says, "We got to. put up crime scene tape, but it just. starts blowing in the wind cuz it's a. blizzard, which in his mind, he's like,

"Well, then we shouldn't even set up a. tent because then a tent is also going. to blow away." And then also, they don't. canvas the area. They don't go and speak. to anybody in the nearby homes. Nothing. And they he shows up when John's body is. already gone. So John has been escorted. to the hospital and he shows up and he's. looking around. He he tries to put up. crime scene tape. So he says it starts. blowing in the wind. So he takes away. the crime scene tape and then he was. like, "You know what? The thought of. putting up a tent did cross my mind.". But then I thought it's just going to. blow away. He doesn't canvas the. neighborhood. Nothing. He gets there.

late. He just asks them, "Hey, so where. was John's body found?" and they point. in a general area and this is where he. just starts looking for evidence. Gallagher will later bring the troopers. out to show them exactly where Jonno. Keep's body was found. But he's never. seen Jonno O'Keefe's body found there. >> Yeah. >> So what I mean is that not hearsay? >> Yeah. >> Karen's attorney is cross-examining. Gallagher asking. So you are giving them. information that you had no personal. knowledge of. Correct.

>> I had knowledge from other offices. Uh I. did not see John O'Keefe at the scene. He was transported to the hospital. That. is correct. Yes. >> So, you couldn't determine exactly how. he was positioned, right? >> Not precisely. >> From head to toe, right? >> Not precisely. >> Where his arms or his hands were? >> That is correct. Yes. >> Uh he's a 6'2 man. Correct. >> I don't know. >> You don't even know that? >> I don't know his size. No. >> And the details matter in a case like. this. Any investigation, the details. matter. >> Truly. >> Accuracy is vital in a homicide. investigation. Correct.

>> Correct. So the two initial Canton. officers, Sarif and Melany, I believe. they are the ones that tell Shaun Good. and Michael Link where the body was and. then they tell Gallagher. Gallagher. tells the troopers. The troopers will. later tell the accident. reconstructionist. So it's 20 layers. Yeah. 20 layers of. telephone and hearsay. So if that were. the case, then they wouldn't have. personal knowledge of where Jon. O'Keefe's body was either. Not to a.

precise location. Yes. So, they're all. talking about where Jon's body was, but. none of them have seen Jon's body there, but they start searching the area for. evidence. However, the snow is coming. down hard, and Gallagher is worried that. the evidence is getting covered in snow. What evidence? We don't know what we're. looking for, but we're looking for. something. In what area? We don't really. know for sure, but in a general area, he's looking and he says the snow is. covering everything. What's everything? We don't know. Gallagher thinks that the. idea of using a rake or a shovel is.

probably not great because he could. inadvertently break something. What is. something? We don't know. So, the ever. cautious, ever intelligent Gallagher. decides that he's going to use a leaf. blower to get rid of snow to uncover the. evidence. He says the leaf blower is. much better control. One big problem is. he's got this reflective jacket from the. police station. No leaf blower. Didn't. think of that one, did you? So he has. Sergeant Good go get a leaf blower. Why. the leaf blower? Gallagher says it's a.

unique case. There was snow. I had never. processed a scene with snow. Side note, this man has worked in this area for 30. years. You've never processed a single. scene in Massachusetts where there was. snow. I had seen a leaf blower used in. the snow and it's quite effective being. controlled. So that's why it was readily. accessible. Uh the scene was. debilitating as we were on the scene. with the weather. snow was piling up and. I thought that this was the best method. at the time which people think he's. crazy. He is asked by the prosecutors. later was it successful? Very. I started.

with a low speed and began whisking away. the snow and then I saw how it was. uncovering these pink spots which were. becoming a brighter red. There's a video. of him using the leaf blower to get rid. of the snow. They've got the like. they've got the weirdest photographic. evidence of things that don't make. sense. Wait, someone recorded him at the. crime scene, but there's no like photos. >> A lot of the evidence is photographed, but it's photographed in a way where you. have no idea where on the lawn it's. found. You just see snow and grass.

>> So, you have no idea in what area, in. what vicin? You don't even know where. John's body was found. So, like really, what are we doing? We don't know. anything. This could have been found on. the surface of Mars. It could have been. found in New York City. We don't know. Mhm. >> I mean, obviously we know it's not, but. he says, "See, it removes the snow. I. was removing the snow layer by layer.". And right here is when you can see it. exposing the cocktail glass. You're. going to see red spots appear as I. remove it layer by layer. Those pink. spots start to turn to be dark red. spots. As you can see, we can control.

it. We were, you know, we were. concerned, but it worked. [Music]. He verifies that those pink spots to be. coagulated blood, which I would imagine. if an officer is called out to the scene. of a potential death and there is blood, the bare minimum is to collect said. blood. But Gallagher proudly says, "So. out of an abundance of caution, I. decided that the blood was something we. may want to collect. But Gallagher only. has his reflective jacket, and now he's.

only got a leaf blower. How is he going. to collect his blood samples?" They run. across the street to another house. Tom Keller is the neighbor right across. the street. >> Uhhuh. >> He is another Canton cop. In fact, he's. only second in command after Chief. Burkowitz. He's the deputy of the Canton. Police Department. He is Gallagher's. boss. >> He just knew, "Oh, that's Tom's house. right there. Let's go. >> Let's go there." They run to his house.

They say, "Hey, we saw some blood and. out of an abundance of caution, we may. want to collect the blood." They go back. to 34 Fair View with a stack of red solo. cups, plastic cups that you typically. drink beer out of. Gallagher says that. his genius thought behind this was they. were plastic, they weren't going to. leak, they weren't going to get soggy, they were large, I needed a small. sample. My thought was because it was. frozen and coagulated that we could. collect it, transport it, and transfer. it to the crime lab who could extract. the DNA. however they saw best fit. He's.

asked later by attorney Jackson, like. the Solo cups that you see at backyard. barbecues, they hold liquid. terrifically. >> We utilized um cups, plastic cups. >> Those were red solo cups, right? >> That's correct. >> The same kind of red solo cup you drink. beer out of at a barbecue. >> Yeah, sure you could. >> They're also not sealed. Correct. They. are not. Which Karen's attorney is. confused. So, what you did instead was. you gathered red solo cups from a. neighbor. you unsterilized and scooped. up the snow with what you thought the.

blood was and just carried them back to. the truck? >> Nope. We took six samples, uh, individual samples. Our philosophy was. we'll let the crime lab extract it the. way they best see fit. Uh, those six. samples were bagged and then transported. back to camp police headquarters and. place it into evidence, >> which is basically what Jackson said, but like make it LinkedIn font. It. doesn't make sense. I mean, I feel as if. an internet sleuth that cops like to. look down on would have made smarter.

choices in regards to evidence. protocols. This feels like a Home Depot. dad coming across a baby stray animal. that they're trying to take in, diying. the whole process on the front lawn, which even Gallagher knows he's goofy. Oh, and another side note, I'm so sorry. Before we move on, Tom Keller, the. deputy, never goes out to investigate. deputy of the Canton Police Department. Another cop is found dead right across. the street. Brian Albert never comes out. to see what's going on in his front. lawn. Tom Keller never comes out. What's.

going on? >> And he's the one that deleted his Ring. footage or no? >> Well, he says he says along the lines of. and it wasn't Ring. There was like a. whole argument. It's like a different. company called Arlo and everyone's like. that's not the point. You'd know what. the point is, but all the Canton cops. are like well first of all it's not. Ring. it doesn't get that in the security. footage. So, it just rewrote itself. because you know how every day it just. rewrites itself unless you save the. footage. >> And he basically knew that it wasn't.

going to cover that area. So, >> essentially, it gets deleted. >> This is who's running the town. Even if. it's not covering that direction, they. will pull the footage even from like. down the street because they were they. were trying to see who drove by at what. time. In regards to the leaf blowing, Paul Gallagher says, "I thought someone. may wonder why I decided to use a leaf. blower, so I wanted to demonstrate the. effectiveness. That is why we have a. video of it because even Gallagher knows. that he's goofy." The video is bad. You. just see him leaf blowing directly onto.

droplets of blood in the snow because. that's precisely what you would want to. do in a crime scene. That is when they. bring back to the police station six. solo cups filled with melted snow, debris, and blood. Those six solo cups, by the way, are placed in a wideopen. brown bag, like a grocery bag. And it is. a grocery bag. It says stop and shop on. the side of it. And that is also left. all the way open and brought back to. Canton Police Station. They find that. day along with that pieces of glass that.

seem to belong to a cocktail glass, a. drinking glass, and they bring those. back to the police station. They just. they put the blood in the evidence. refrigerator, which the snow will. presumably melt pretty instantaneously. if it had not already. I would nickname. this guy Goofy. Goofy Gallagher if. anything about this case were actually. Goofy. But it's more terrifying than. anything. And he is so serious when he. tries to justify all the insane things. that he's done on the scene. Why do you. use a stop and shop bag? He's asked by.

the defense. They're basically the same. thing as an evidence bag. I don't know. where the bag came from. I was in a. personal vehicle at that point. Sergeant. Lank was also in a personal vehicle. He. tries to argue that the Stop and Shop. bags are similar to evidence bags. Quote, "If the bag were upside down, you. wouldn't know it. It didn't say evidence. on it. I'm not sure where the bag came. from, but our evidence bags are pretty. much the same thing." The defense. attorney is like, "But it's not the same. thing. It's not the same thing." And. that's why evidence bags are much more. expensive. Isn't that right? They're not.

quite the same, are they? No. And. obviously the bag, it goes without. saying, is not forensically sterile. either. Correct. Most bags are not. sterile. Later, Sergeant Link, this guy, Besties with Chris Albert, we're getting. into that later. He says he's looking at. the picture and he says, "It looks like. a stop and bag. It might be an evidence. bag." The defense attorney is like, "It. literally is not. It's a stop and shot. bag.". >> No, it looks like a stop and shot bag. >> But actually, it looks like an evidence. bag. It just doesn't say camp police on. it. It says stop and shop. But it's It.

does look like an evidence bag. It's the. same thing. >> That's a grocery bag. >> It is. And that's exactly what our. evidence bags look like. So, that's what. I thought it was at first. >> All right. Except it doesn't say. anything about evidence on it. It says. stop and shop. Correct. >> Correct. >> What do you think's in that evidence. bag? I'm sorry. Stop and shop bag. >> I'm not sure. >> And it just it's the seriousness on the. stand for me. At one point they say, "We. did not document which scoop went into.

which cup, which scoop of snow and blood. went into which cup.". >> It's freaking crazy. >> Nizens are going insane. They're. writing, "Imagine the embarrassment. Who. collects evidence in beer pong cups?". Another one writes, "Wonder if they put. urine samples in slurpee cups?" One. says, "The stop-and shop bag evidence is. so abysmal that we can't help but wonder. if they have a stop-and shop deal." So, you're saying they collected quote blood. into six cups and some glasses? >> Yes. >> What about the cartel light? Did they.

collect those? >> There was nothing. Well, you'll see. >> what. >> you'll see. Now, mind you, that's. >> ridiculous. >> This guy right here, Gallagher, made. $322,000. No, $322,389. that year. >> $320. >> Mhm. >> Is he just a cop? What is he? Oh, he's a. S. He's a lieutenant. >> They make that much in in Oh, he's a. state. Wait, >> no. He's a Canton cop. >> Canton cop. >> Yeah.

>> 320k. >> Yeah. >> Is that average? >> I. >> That doesn't sound right. >> It sounds like a lot. >> How How do we know that? >> It's public record cuz they're cops. >> Is everyone making that? >> No, but he's he's pretty high ranking. Officer Lank also gets promoted. He ends. up making I think almost a4 million. dollars, 200 something thousand. And. this is how they are investigating. I'm. sorry. If you're getting paid together, just you two are getting paid half a. million dollars on taxpayer money, you.

better know how to collect evidence. >> And you're saying there's not a single. piece of car uh tell lie that they. found. >> The timing is very important in this. Keep in mind later, another forensic. expert is testifying testifying about. something completely unrelated. Well, not completely unrelated, but she is. testifying about dog DNA. And we're. going to come back to this, but the. defense uses her cross-examination to. just randomly ask her about forensic. processes. And they ask her, "So, you. wouldn't you wouldn't use plastic to get.

blood." She's testifying about sterile. procedures. Everything we use in our lab. is sterile. All of our tubes that we. would use or once we do a collection, we. put it in a tube for the extraction. process. Those tubes are autoclaved and. they don't have any contamination. They. are sterile. So, you wouldn't use a solo. cup at this point. She just looks at him. and goes, "I'm sorry, what?". >> They are sterile. >> You would use a solo cup. >> I'm sorry, what? >> Objection. You're on. >> Solo cup.

>> The objection system. >> She looks genuinely confused and. concerned. And he is so proud of this. >> That is correct. Side note, Gallagher. has also worked with the DEA, the drug. administration for 15 years, which some. netizens believe add to this. And also. ATF, there's lots of drug overlap there. So, lots of people believe there's lots. of drug connections everywhere, but. technically they are law enforcement and. drugs are a big part of law. Sergeant.

Good. However, there's lots of. connections here. Sergeant Good also. grew up with Courtney Proctor, Trooper. Proctor's sister. There were only 144. students graduating that year. So, their. class is very small. I imagine they were. friends. If not, they knew of each other. rather well. Lank went to high school. with Courtney Proctor as well, but also. with a girl named Jill. Who is Jill? Jill's not on here, but Jill is Julie. Albert's sister, and he's bests with. Chris Albert. They've all worked the.

past 18 years with Kevin Albert. They. also work in the same office as ATF. Brian Haha Higgins. And this is what's. crazy. These are the Canton cops that. actually go into 34 Fair View at the. scene. Gallagher and Link walk into 34. Fair View to talk to Jen McCabe. Later, Trooper Proctor will go to Jen McCabe's. house to talk to Jen McCabe, but this is. the first actual interview. And this is. after they recuse themselves or they're.

thinking about recusing themselves. And. they talk to Jen McCabe. They talk to. Brian Albert. They don't search the. house. They don't ask to search the. house, but they're inside the house. And. it's just weird. They don't write a. report memorializing the conversation or. really anything. Especially Gallagher. And his whole excuse to all of that is. just, well, I don't write reports. I'm. the supervisor. Why would I write a. report? That's not my responsibility. That's for the losers like Link. >> That is correct. >> That's the vibe. And they're just. letting everybody talk to everyone at. this point. everyone in the house. A lot.

of these people have stated there was a. morning meeting. A lot of people were at. 34 Fair View that morning. And we're. going to get into these two a little bit. later. But just to give you a recap, throughout the morning of 34 Fair View, lots of people stopped by. Already. inside the house were Brian Albert, Nicole Albert, and Birthday Brian, Brian. Albert Jr., Jen McCabe is there because. she came there with Karen and she called. 911. Matt McCabe shows up because Jen. McCabe calls her husband and is like, "Oh my gosh, we found John O'Keefe dead. in the snow." Eventually, Julie Albert.

shows up. Julie Albert shows up. completely randomly. She says, "It's. Brian Albert Jr.'s birthday. Here's what. I do. It's a birthday tradition that I. get him six Dunkin Donuts and I put them. in his car." Which already doesn't make. sense because it's a blizzard. I don't. think birthday Brian's going anywhere. So, when is he going to find the Dunkin. Donuts that you just put inside of his. car? 10 years later, she shows up and. then Brian Albert, who sees nothing, sees nothing, hears nothing. Nothing.

Sees Julie Albert putting donuts in the. car and is like, "Hey, come in. We got. to tell you something." So, they tell. Julie. Julie goes back home, gets Chris, they drive back to Brian Albert's. Brian. Higgins got a phone call from Brian. Albert and Chief Burkowitz that morning, but he doesn't pick up Chief Burkowitz's. call. He calls Brian Albert back and. he's like, "You got to come over." He. ends up coming over. Brian Haha Higgins. works at the Canton Police Station. These people work at the Canton Police. Station. Brian Higgins has testified. that he was at 34 Fair View that.

morning. These two guys are like, "I. don't know if we saw Brian there." What. do you mean you don't know if you saw. Brian there? You work with Brian. He. works in the same office. You would. remember if you saw him, correct? No. They're like, "Well, I don't recall. having a conversation with him, so I. can't tell you if he was there." At one. point, Michael Link also states that he. he had mentioned to another officer that. he believed that John O'Keeffe might. have been in a fight, like he could have. been in a fight or something. To which. the defense attorneys ask him, "If he. had been in a confrontation, it could.

have started anywhere." He's like, "Yeah, if he had been in a. confrontation, it could have started. anywhere. It doesn't mean that it. started in the house, which is why we. didn't feel the need to search the. house. It's not like, oh, the house is. the crime scene, right? But the house is. part of anywhere, right? Correct. So, in. other words, the house is not excluded. in your mind at this point as a starting. point for the investigation. Is that. right? The starting point would have. been where Mr. O'Keefe had been. discovered. And then based on speaking. with the witnesses, there was no. indication that he ever made it into the.

house. I learned that speaking to Miss. McCabe. >> So, you just took Miss McCabe's word for. it. >> at that point in time. That's that was. the only person I had spoken to and she. gave me a timeline of events from that. night where Mr. O'Keefe was supposed to. come back to the house but never made. it. >> Have you ever been in your course of. investigating cases? Have you ever been. lied to by a witness? >> Yes. >> So, it's not necessarily the best. investigative technique to just take a. witness's word for something. Correct. You need to actually investigate the.

circumstances for yourself and to your. own satisfaction. Is that a fair. statement? >> Sure. It is incredibly weird, is it not, that at least four, maybe even more. Canton police detectives searched Brian. Albert's front lawn for evidence the day. that they found John O'Keefe's body. They find a cocktail glass. They find. blood, but they don't find tail light. pieces. >> When you say cocktail glass, it's like a. glass cup, >> like a whiskey cup, you know, like a. cocktail. You put some whiskey, you put.

vodka in there. I don't know. I'm not. really a big drinker, but isn't that. >> Yeah. So, um, they were seen, Karen was. seen leaving CF McCarthy's with a glass. Are you allowed to do that? No, you're. not. Okay. She snuck it out because she. didn't finish her drink. So, she snuck. out her little glass. And then, I. believe that same glass was seen walking. out of Waterfall, but in John O'Keefe's. hand. It's from the bar. But the point. that the defense attorneys are trying to. make is that these sergeants from Canton. police, they didn't know it was from the. bar. >> So, you would think that it's from.

inside the house. So, you should search. inside the house, but they don't. >> They don't. The number of pieces of tail. light that are found by these at least. four minimum police officers looking for. evidence while it's still bright outside. are zero. They used a literal leaf. blower and they have spotted not one. piece of Karen Reed's tail light. >> That's crazy. And tail light is red. red.

and clear plastic pieces. And some of. these tail light pieces that they're. showing in court, it's like the size of. a banana, bright red. H. >> It's only later in the day when the snow. starts really starting to accumulate. that the police miraculously sun goes. down, snow is pouring down that they. start finding pieces of tail light on. the property. And you know, people. argue, you don't think that's weird? The. police only start finding pieces of the. tail light later in the day. That's a.

little bit strange, don't you think? >> Yeah. >> So, they find some later that day and. then for the next few weeks, they find. more pieces of tail light. These tail. light pieces, I don't know if they just. magically appear. The trooper trolls, they try to argue that it's because the. snow is now melting and the evidence is. unearthing itself. They keep using that. word. more evidence starts to present. itself, which is a very interesting. phrase that you could choose from. But. some people argue, well, it's because.

these guys are not really trained to. find evidence. I mean, look at them. They're doing solo cups. How do you. expect them to find evidence? It's not. until later that trooper Tully troll. Tully. We don't like Tully. Nobody likes. Tully. Okay, just keep that in mind. He. decides that he's going to employ the C. team from the Massachusetts State. Police. The CERT team is a special. emergency response team. So they just. kind of go from place to place in. Massachusetts helping any law. enforcement agency that needs the help. He gets them out there and they conduct.

a search where they find John O'Keefe's. hat and a few pieces of taillight. >> H. >> and then for the next few weeks they. find 40 plus more pieces of taillight. which begs the question to a lot of. people wait. So the search team that are. normally better qualified to find. evidence, they only find a few pieces of. tail light and then suddenly there's 40. more pieces of tail light. And the. documentation of where these tail light. pieces are found are horrendous. They.

just take a picture of the tail light in. the grass with the snow. Most of these. pictures don't have any sort of relation. point of is it next to the flag pole, is. it next to the hydrant, nothing. You. have no clue where on the lawn these. pieces of tail light are from. >> So they're saying that it the snow takes. weeks to melt. >> Yeah. And as the snow is melting more. and more, they're unearthing. Evidence. starts to present itself. That type of. phrasing by a police officer, by a law. enforcement officer should be criminal.

Present itself. I'm sorry. Then why are. you getting paid? It's crazy. Now. prosecutor Lai asks Proctor where the. tail light pieces are found. He's not. even asking for exact locations, which. is what you would imagine would happen. in an investigation. He's asking. generally speaking. Proctor does a full. chested sigh. I don't generally I don't specifically. remember exactly if they were around the. flag pole cuz the surf team had came and. shoveled uh an area around. So, um.

that stuff had melted first cuz it was a. lot less snow and then they created more. piles. But as far as um the general area. was by the flag pole and fire hydrant, it wasn't like on the other side of the. property. It was in that general area. >> Nobody disagrees with the fact that. these are pieces of tail light from. Karen Reed's SUV. That is a fact. They. just argue how and when it got there. Now, just to give you a bit of a. timeline on this, evidence starts to.

present itself starting the night of. January 29th. John is found at 6:00 in. the morning. By about 6:00 p.m., tail. light pieces are found. But prior to. that same day, Karen finds John. Karen. is rushed to the hospital. She's section. 12d. She gets released, goes to John's. house, feels unwelcome, gets her car, and drives her to her dad's house in. Don. The troopers, they decide that. they're going to go to Karen's dad's. house and seize her car that day. They. take her car, bring it all the way to.

Canton Police Department, which is. already a little bit suspicious. People. thought it was weird. These two. troopers, they're part of the. Massachusetts State Police and they have. two facilities that are MSP nearby. Dyton, but instead they have Dyon police. tow it all the way to Canton. Canton has. already recused themselves from this. case. So, it's very odd. On top of that, it's very odd that tail light pieces. continue to be found on the lawn for up. to two weeks after the so-called. accident. Chief Burkowitz as well.

happened to be driving by 34 Fair View. Road out of nowhere, February 4th, 2022. And he look at this man. I'm sorry, but. this man is a little bit older. This man. does not look like he has 2020 vision. He's driving by February 4th, 2022. He. stops his car and he sees on the lawn of. the Albert residence from his car driver. side a shiny piece of tail light sitting. on the lawn. Most of the tail light.

pieces are found by this man, Trooper. Proctor. All of these things are very. odd about this and it makes people. believe, well, wait a minute, maybe. these tail light pieces were planted on. the lawn. It doesn't make sense. So for. people who believes that's the case, then where do they get the pieces from? The tail light pieces from then. >> we're about to get into that. For the. people that are saying, "Hey, that. doesn't make sense that you just find. pieces of tail light after so many. people have searched it and you keep. continuing to find it in an unsecured.

location." They don't secure the scene. >> This guy, Buchenk, he's like, "Well, no, it makes total sense. In fact, it's. common sense." He says, "Well, common. sense will dictate that if an item is. found on the grass and there's snow. covering that item, it would have to. have been placed prior to the snow. accumulating. So, if an item is shoved. into the snow, it'll be exposed as the. snow melts prior to reaching the ground. level." He's saying there was snow on. top of it and that's why we didn't find. it immediately. And it makes sense. Okay, so they tow her car. They also.

investigate the scene. They find more. tail light pieces. Except it doesn't. make sense at all because this man hits. the stand. His name is Sergeant Nicholas. Baros. He has zero connection to the. Canton Police Department. He works. instead for the Dyon Police Department, which is the jurisdiction that resides. over Karen's dad's house where the car. is seized. He showed up to Karen Reed's. house, too, because he's working in. cooperation with Proctor and Buchanan. for towing Karen's car. He testifies on.

the stand. I saw that there was some. damage to the right rear tail light. Um, to my best ability and recollection, that tail light was not completely. damaged. It was cracked and a piece was. missing, but not completely damaged. >> When you say a crack, do you mean a. piece missing? A piece was missing. A. piece maybe about 6 in big, maybe about. 2 in wide. He's shown a picture of. Karen's Lexus from Sallyport. So, this. is a picture that the troopers have. taken. And he's like, "That is the car.

Yeah, that's the black Lexus, but that's. not the tail light the day that I was. there at Karen's house.". >> You kidding me? >> He said it's not. Is He's asked, "Is. this the condition of the right rear. tail light when you showed up at the. house on the afternoon of January 29th, 2022?" Absolutely not. What's different. about this photo, sir? The tail light is. completely smashed out. He's saying the. right side chunk is completely missing. That was not the case at Karen Reed's. dad's house. it. None of this the middle. section is missing. That's not the case. either. I mean, Dyon PD are the ones.

that towed Karen's truck back to Canton. Police Department, >> but they don't have records of what the. condition was. Like, there's no photos. There's no comparisons. >> There's a photo, but it's not a great. quality photo. And there's snow all over. both tail lights. Canton police and the. troopers are arguing it's missing. You. just can't really see it because the. snow is covering. Nicholas Barrows is. like, "Bro, I was there." Yeah, >> I was there. >> That was so crazy. >> But the troopers are also saying I was. also there and it was just like that.

>> So when Barl saw that, he said there's. only a 6x two missing. That's it. That's. like pretty small, right? >> In the photos, the whole thing is. missing. >> Like a good chunk of it is missing. A. lot of the red parts are missing. And. they try to argue. That's why when she. presses the brakes, it's not even. lighting up red at that section. It's. they're trying to argue lots of. different things. The whole thing is. weird. Now, another question is, why did. you take it to Canton Police Department? On top of what Sergeant Nicholas Barrows.

is saying, it's just getting weird. Buchananic says it's because the garage. there is heated and they needed to the. snow to melt off. But the timing on. paper, it doesn't make sense because. Michael Proctor swears under oath. multiple times that Karen's car is. seized at 5:30 p.m. which the car would. still be in Dyton, Massachusetts at 5:30. p.m. They get in on the tow and then. they start driving to Canton. The first. piece of tail light was found at 34 Fair. View Road, maybe at like 5:45. It.

doesn't make sense. They wouldn't even. have had time to get to Canton Police. Department to park the car in Sallyport. The timing is not timing. So, where did. they get the tail light pieces if it. were to be framed? >> Mhm. >> That's what he says, right? I mean, how. could he possibly plant evidence if he. can't be at two places at once? But. that's not true. And Michael Proctor. doesn't know that Karen knows it's not. true because he doesn't know that her. parents' home have cameras. The car was.

seized at 4:12 p.m. And it's not just. Karen's cameras. The Dyon police, the. ones that towed the car, they state it. was towed at 4:12 p.m. That's an. 80minute discrepancy there. >> He just made up a time, Michael Proctor. >> He He strategically made it so that the. tail light pieces could not have come. from him because he wasn't even in. Canton. The car wasn't even at Canton. Police. >> So, you're saying he lied about the. time? Is that correct or no? >> I don't know if I want to be the one to.

You know what? I'll say it. I don't like. this man. I think he lied. I think he. straight up be lying out of this mouth. right here. >> So, was he confronted by the actual. time? >> Yes. >> And you originally claimed that that. seizure took place at 5:30 p.m. Is that. right? >> Correct. >> The fact of the matter is that was. false. The car was not seized at 5:30, was it? >> 4:16 p.m. >> Right. An hour and change. An hour and. 18 minutes, hour and 20 minutes earlier. Is that right?

>> Yes. >> Did you ever seek to. change or amend a false statement about. the time. >> when I incor incorrectly transcribed the. times. Uh it was on the first affidavit. I had written and then as I continue to. write other search warrants, I use that. as a template. So I never caught on the. first one and that's the reason those. times are off on the other uh affidavits. I wrote. >> So the first one was false and then. every single one after that was false.

too. There was just an incorrect um. transcription of time. >> An incorrect trans transcription of the. time. Call that I don't know a. scrivener's error. >> Objection. >> Ask it differently. >> Sure. Was it a typo? >> Yes. >> It was a typo. So you got the four. wrong, you got the one wrong, and you. got the six wrong. And those turned into. five and three and zero. Right. >> They were typos, sir.

Fact of the matter is, you delivered. that car to Canton PD to the Sallyport. garage before a single piece of. taillight material was ever found in. this case. Trooper Proctor, is that. correct? >> Correct. >> By the time that they get to Canton. Police Department, they book the car, there's movement around the car, and. then Trooper Proctor leaves with enough. hypothetical time to drop pieces of tail. light at 34 Fair View Road front lawn. But the Canton police say, "Hey, it is.

suspicious that he lied about the time, is it not?" Yes. However, we have video. proof from Sallyport that shows that. they never even went near that rear. passenger tail light. Dyon police are. the ones that towed it. If Trooper. Proctor was all up on that rear tail. light, they would have said something. They're already saying something, right? They would have said it. And then when. you get to Sallyport, look at all the. Here's the videos. >> Sallyport is. >> Sallyport is the garage attached to. Canton Police Department. police. station. >> Okay. >> So, they're like, "Look at look at it.

There's nothing here." So, the defense. argues, first of all, you guys never. handed this video over in discovery, which you're supposed to hand all these. things over in discovery during the. trial because both sides need to have a. good amount of the same information. >> Mhm. >> And so, they're saying this should have. been in the discovery and now you're. just like whipping it out. And second of. all, there's so many odd things about. this footage. Additionally, the start. time of the CCTV footage is 5:30 p.m. and it stops at 5:48 p.m. So 5:30 p.m.

the car is booked into Sallyport. So. technically it's about 17 minutes and 50. seconds, but the CCTV footage is only 5. minutes and 51 seconds long. So more. than 2/3 of the time in question is not. there. But Canton police is like, "Well, actually, it's not weird because. Sallyport CCTV cameras are motion. activated cameras, meaning they only. start recording when there's motion, which I already find alarming. considering that Gallagher has stated. Sallyport is where when we have an. arrest, we bring our prisoners in. It's.

basically an extra-large garage. It has. doors that are numbered 1 2 3 4. We. typically go in door 4, pull up towards. there, and uh the prisoners are walked. into the booking area, which is also. secure. I would imagine that a place. where you have people getting booked, I. would want cameras running 24/7 to. protect both sides, both parties, not. just motion sensored cameras. But. nevertheless, they show the cameras. And. it does show nobody goes near the rear. passenger tail light. Buchanan. testifies, "Trooper Proctor and I never.

touched the vehicle prior to it being. properly processed with a search. warrant. They never touched the back. passenger tail light." So, at that. point, is the tail light already. missing? >> You can't really see it. >> Okay. Okay. >> But they do go to the other side of the. tail light because there's a door near. the driver's side tail light. So, you do. see Trooper Proctor kind of hanging out. in that area, but it's not the rear. passenger tail. That one. There's no. tail light pieces missing, right? Karen. and her defense team are looking at this.

video. and they see it. Yeah, it makes sense. No one goes near the rear passenger tail. light. But why is everything backwards? There is a police car next to Karen's. black SUV and it says police, but it's. backwards. Like you're looking into a. mirror. Like you know when you write a. letter and you put it up against a. mirror, the words are backwards. And. then the number four on the the garage. doors 1 2 3 4. Remember they're.

numbered. They're also backwards. Why? Because the footage is inverted. Somebody inverted the footage. So, what. the defense team does is they uninvert. the footage. That tail light that. trooper proctor is standing around. suspiciously. Is the back passenger tail light. It's. not the driver tail light. >> And can we see the tail light? You. cannot see it, but you can see him in a.

little beanie hanging out behind there. You're gonna die. I got to show you. pictures. Let me show you. Okay, this is. like the footage that they show, which. you see this police car and then this is. Karen's car. They said that this is. accurate portrayal of the footage, which. would make you think that this is the. tail light in question, the passenger. rear tail light, right? >> That's what it looks like. Nobody ever. goes over there. However, >> this is the real footage. >> That's the driver's side tail light that.

nobody goes around. >> Oh my god. >> The rear passenger tail light is the. other side. >> Oh my god. >> The prosecutors, they play the inverted. footage. They ask Buchanan, "Is this an. accurate portrayal?". >> That alone is guilty. Like, whoever did. that is guilty. >> But what's even crazier is when the. defense team invert the video back. >> Uh-huh. the okay they go and find other. like Sallyport footage the time stamp is. also inverted so that means somebody not.

only inverted the video but they went. and fixed the timestamp to make it look. like it's not an inverted video. >> and nobody knows who did that everyone's. like I don't know I don't know. >> someone edited the video footage. >> someone inverted the video. >> and then Right right oh my god. >> and there is a point in the CCTV footage. where You do see Michael Proctor near. the exact tail light in question and. then all of a sudden time stamp jumps. from 53737.

So 5:37 p.m. and 37 seconds to 53801. So there's like a good 20 seconds. missing from the CCTV footage and that's. a good chunk of time. >> Let's go ahead and play it forward. Pause. Did you see any voluitional. movement by Mr. Proctor as the tow truck. driver moved uh moved past him. >> Yes, it appears if that is his head at. shifted weight. >> Okay. Uh let's go ahead and play it.

forward. >> Stop. Did you see a person that appeared. to morph toward the back of the vehicle. right there? >> There is some anomaly there with the. footage, so it could possibly be used to. describe that what what took place. Jackson later states, "Once we inverted. the video and showed it to the jurors, oh my goodness, you could have heard a. collective jaw drop in the courtroom.". During Buchanan's entire direct. testimony, he states that this video is. an accurate portrayal of what happened. Not once does he mention, "Yeah, it's.

accurate, but it's an inverted video.". Clearly, whoever did this thought that. they were going to get away with it, that the defense would not notice. Additionally, during Buchetic's direct, he points to the guy in the back of the. car as Trooper Proctor. But now that. this has been revealed that it's a. mirrored inverted video, suddenly during. the cross- examination, he's like, "Well, I can't exactly be sure if that's. Trooper Proctor in the back. I can't. exactly be sure who anybody really is.". I mean, the whole thing is shady. The. defense asks Buchanan, "You were there.". You were then asked, you know, whether.

or not in looking at that video and. watching it whether or not Trooper. Proctor approached, manipulated, touched. that rear tail light at the time, and. your answer was never. That's correct. And while you testified that this is the. video that was displayed for the jurors, correct? That's correct. For all. appearances, it would appear that the. right rear tail light of the SUV is the. one facing the jurors, if you will. You. know, facing the viewer, right? Aka, it. does seem like it's very misleading. >> Yeah. >> And you never mentioned that this was an. inverted video, did you? It was not.

brought up. No. Do you agree with me. that an inverted video is not accurate? It's inverted by definition, right? It's. an accurate depiction of the events. taking place. Do you see where Mr. Proctor went in the video? Yes, the. video depicts him going to the portion. of the vehicle, but we can't tell how. close he is. So, now it's like, okay, fine. He went there, but we don't know. how close he is, but Buchanan is on this. hill and he's going down with it. He. said just because it's a mirror image. doesn't mean that it's not recording the. actions and what's transpiring. I think.

it's just a mirror image of what's. taking place. If you see someone walking. in or driving a vehicle and it's. depicting the action of the vehicle. being pulled in, and if it's mirrored, it's still documenting the activity. that's taking place. What? Also, there's. CCTV footage of a shorter statured man. that appears to be near Karen's vehicle, and nobody can say who it is, but uh. everyone thinks it's this man right. here, Chief Burkowitz, who happens to. find a random piece of tail light on the. Albert residence later on. >> Can you recognize that person?

I cannot know. >> You indicated previously. Does that. person look large or small in stature? >> I can't tell. >> As compared to, for instance, Michael. Proctor, whose head you can see above. the the car. What about this person? Taller, shorter than Michael Proctor. >> I can't tell from here. >> So, he just walked by and grab a piece. type of thing. >> That's what netizens think. >> That's crazy. So technically the.

timeline is now making sense because. Proctor lied the car was in Sallyport. and Proctor lied about nobody touching. the tail light in question. He could. have driven to 34 Fair View and dropped. the tail light pieces. >> So are we saying that Karen's tail. lights previously broken? >> Yes. >> There's a like a 6x two missing piece, right? That has been there the whole. time for a while. Karen's like, "Oh, I. know that." Right. Are we okay? This is. where it gets even crazier because.

remember Karen has a missing tail light. piece and she was telling Jen McCabe and. Carrie Roberts that morning when she was. looking for John, "My tail light's. broken. I don't know how it happened.". >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> John O'Keefe has ring video footage over. his garage. And at exactly 5:07 a.m., you see Karen in the black Lexus pull. out of the garage backing out and. slightly ramming into John O'Keefe's. car.

It's like a boom. You can see there. there is contact made between the two. cars at that exact rear tail light. So, it seems a lot of people that believe. that the tail light evidence is planted, they believe that her tail light broke. there. That's where it broke. That's. where the tail light got messed up. And. then she's confused because in the. footage you don't really see any. reaction. She doesn't get out of the. car. She's already freaking out about. John being missing. >> She just keeps driving. She drives off. >> So people think that she's telling. Carrie and Jab literally I don't know.

why my tail light is broken. >> Yeah. But then wouldn't that piece of. whatever left at the house or they can. find some marks on John's car? Maybe. What's crazy is anytime that this video. is showed, >> for example, it's showed to Buchanan, the defense shows it to him. >> Karen backing his her car. >> Yeah. And Buenic says, >> "My assessment with the totality of it. all was that based on the video, there. was no damage.

uh. that occurred to either vehicle at that. point in time.". >> Everyone online is like, "Bro, it hit. the car." Like we can see Karen Reed's. car made contact with John O'Keefe's. car, but he's like there is movement in. the shot. Like they're debating whether. or not contact was made. >> Do you believe that the SUV struck the. Chevy Traverse? >> Logically speaking, the two vehicles had.

to have come into contact for the tire. to move. >> They had to have collided. Correct. >> At a slow speed. Yes. So, they may. contact her. >> Yeah. Proctor states, you know, during. the review of Mr. O'Keefe's ring. footage, particularly the one above the. garage that displays uh the driveway on. the 29th at approximately 5:07 a.m., Miss Reed's pulling her vehicle out of. the garage, backing up towards Mr. O'Keefe's vehicle and comes extremely. close, if not slightly, hitting the. vehicle. So, we wanted to at least go.

document that there was no damage to Mr. O'Keefe's car. I didn't observe any. significant or any damage. did not. observe any damage to Mr. O'Keefe's car. Now, what's interesting is that a lot of. people wished that there was more Ring. video footage because that ring camera. can tell us a lot of information. Particularly, the defense is looking for. Ring camera footage from around 12:00 in. the morning when Karen comes home. And. they want to see that tail light because. that would show that her tail light was. not broken until 5:07 a.m. That ring.

footage mysteriously is gone. >> From where? >> The Ring camera. >> John O'Keefe. >> Yes. And additionally, Carrie Roberts stated. that when she got to John O'Keefe's. house with Karen Reed and Jen McCabe, that she stood in front of Karen Reed's. car and saw how messed up her tail light. was. But they they only have footage of. the three women walking into John's. house, which is actually when Carrie. Roberts said that this incident. happened. You don't even see her. glancing at the tail light. She just. walks straight in. So then, you know,

people that want to give her the benefit. of the doubt is like, okay, well, maybe. it was on the way out. Well, on the way. out, that footage is mysteriously. missing from the Ring app. Who wrote the. search warrant to Ring, the company to. get that data? >> Proctor. >> Proctor. And Ring also provides a data. log, which means it gives you all the. times that somebody has accessed the app. from which phone? And after John. O'Keefe's phone was seized by none other. than Proctor, it accessed the Ring app.

>> Dang. aka he could have gone in there. and a lot of dennisens theorize and. deleted all that. >> and the ring company has no backups and. >> I don't think they if they do they gave. it to proctor and he could have also. just deleted that and I don't think the. ring camera cares enough to be like okay. let me just publicly get involved in. this. >> right. >> but there are a few unexplainable pieces. of evidence such as the microscopic you. know tail light pieces that were in. John's clothing they're not really.

microscopic they're just like small tail. light pieces that were found on John's. clothes. Buchananic testifies that when. they go to the hospital, they find all. of John's clothes in one big wet pile on. the floor. They bag it up for evidence. They don't take it to an evidence. locker. And an evidence locker is very. important. So, usually with most police. stations and police departments, evidence lockers, they're heavily. guarded. Not every single detective has. access to an evidence locker. And every. time somebody goes into an evidence. locker, it's logged. It's very I mean. the level of corruption to mess with.

evidence would be a little bit higher. They take the clothing, the wet clothing. to the DA's office because technically. they all work for the DA, the MSP, and. they just lay it out in a secure room on. butcher paper to dry. The butcher paper, that's a normal thing. You want to dry. out the clothes so it doesn't get molded. and contaminated. But this area is. accessible by any trooper. And the. pieces of tail light wasn't found until. later. >> Yes. I mean, they don't test it until.

later, but after six days of just. sitting there with no log of who's been. able to go near the clothing, those tail. light pieces, a lot of people question. the credibility and the validity of how. do we know it's not been tampered with? We don't know. >> Especially when all the tail light. pieces are already so suspicious. >> Exactly. It proves nothing. It's the. same type of thing like you just found. in the snow. Like. >> Exactly. It's like, it's not really. proof, is it? What's also additionally. interesting is that Karen Reed drove. past the library at around 12:37 a.m. to.

12:39 p.m. That's right after she's. accused of hitting Jon with her car. So, she's driving from 34 Fair View back to. John's house. She drives past this. library. Her tail light should be broken. and smashed. The Commonwealth obtained. CCTV footage from the library. Karen and. her team request it. They get it, but. the exact precise 2minute time frame. that her car passes the library is. missing. The Commonwealth says we turned. over everything we got from the Canton. police. >> 2 minutes is missing.

>> Yes. >> So the the footage is like everything. else is there. >> Yeah. >> But 2 minutes. >> Uhhuh. >> This is what What kind of world are we. living in right now? >> And the library is like, "Yeah, well, we. didn't review all the footage. We just. like made sure it was from that time. span and then we turned it over to be. analyzed by none other than Michael. Proctor. The library no longer has that. footage because it's been so long. They. thought I mean we gave it to law. enforcement. We didn't know we had to. keep it. >> Did any state trooper ever ask you to. download and preserve that footage so.

that it would exist longer than that 30. to 60day period? >> No. >> ABC interviews Proctor and asks him. outright, "Did you plant the evidence?". Absolutely not. I'm laughing because. it's such a ridiculous accusation. It's. something that I would never do. I've. never done and there's no evidence of. it. >> This just gets worse and worse and. worse. >> Yeah. ABC is like, you know, your own. community, your locals, you know, why do. they believe that you're planting. evidence? Proctor responds, that's just. the loud minority, the silent majority.

We've had an overwhelming amount of. support. They're just not out there. tweeting. The ABC interviewers like Alan. Jackson told me that he could not. understand why it was that every time. you went back to the scene, new evidence. would materialize. He found that very. suspicious. Maybe he didn't read the. weather report I provided in my reports. Snow melted at a rapid pace and the more. snow that melted, the more evidence. began to unearth itself. At this point, even if you like Karen, don't like. Karen, it's just too much reasonable. doubt to convict her of really any.

crime. I think one of the biggest. reasons that people refuse to believe. Karen though and I I think that it's a. small amount of netizens skewing a. little bit on the older side as well is. I think Karen has a very intense. personality. She really does not back. down from a fight. I also think it's. very interesting. I mean I think this is. like a good psychological study of how. every single bit of her trial footage is. analyzed by people who don't like her. People interpret things differently. And. it's interesting that they want her many.

years, two years now after Jon's passing. to be crying in court when Jon is. brought up. But if you take it from her. perspective, she's been framed. How can. she sit in a situation and be crying. about her deceased boyfriend when she is. about to be in prison for the rest of. her life. >> for killing him? >> Yeah. Which she didn't do to to how she. feels. >> Yeah. I feel like that unjust is one of. the most strong emotions for anybody to.

experience. >> And I think it presents itself sometimes. as angry. >> Yeah. >> And people think that that's not anger. It's her being unreorseful and ach. >> And I just don't see how that's the. case. If she genuinely did kill him and. wanted to get away with it, I would. imagine that she would be trying to cry. in court. Now Karen is asked in a. documentary, "You're tired of being. asked if you hit John with your car?". And she says, "No, I'm not tired of it. I hate answering it because I just feel. like I'm being so scrutinized. Like, did.

she blink three times or twice? And did. she like smirk or look to the right or. or down and up and or left or whatever?". I It just feels so fake even though it's. true. I rather like explain everything. else and like I did not hit John with my. car. Like it I can't make it sincere. enough. I hate saying it. She says, "They say the trial became a circus. It's not about justice for John. It's. all about the Karen Reed case. But the. Karen Reed case is trying to get justice. for Jon. The case is about how he died.".

One netizen says, "I believe that Karen. is maybe an unlikable girl. Probably. spoiled bratty personality. I don't know. where they're getting this, but I. haven't seen one evidence that she's. guilty of murder. Drunk driving, yes, but they all were. Commonwealth. witnesses keep providing more doubt that. she's not involved." Other side back. One person says, "I actually don't see. it that way. I happen to like her. personality. She seems like a sharp. cookie and isn't going down for. something she didn't do without a. fight." Another big witness in the Karen. Reed trial is Brian Lochan. I'm going to.

call him Lucky because that's what. everyone calls him. It's the lucky. witness. >> The lucky witness. >> He is a defense witness. He is called to. the stand. This man has been living in. Canton for most of his life. He knows. the whole Albert family. He's familiar. with them. He specifically went to. elementary school and middle school with. Chris Albert. He worked for Chris. Albert's DNA pizza delivering pizzas for. a little bit before he got a job at the. Department of Public Works and became. one of the regular snow plowers for the. town. He's told that day his shift is.

going to start at 2:30 a.m. and there, you know, cuz prior to there's no snow. to plow. And so he's going to come in. and just plow the streets all night. >> He gets in at 2:15. He gets in his. truck. He gets stuck with the Franken. truck. That's what they nicknamed it cuz. it's all a bunch of random parts fit. into this snowplow truck. A supervisor. for the DPW testifies that the. visibility on these snowplow trucks is. pretty good. Especially the ones like. the Franken, it's a big one. So, you're. probably 5 ft up off the road and you.

can see you can see a lot. And the seat. is an airlift. So Lucky says when it's. snowing really bad and the it's. hazardous, he puts his seats all the way. up so that his knees are touching the. steering wheel because he wants to be. able to see as much as you can. On top. of the snow plows, they have lights, big. lights, >> and they're like beacon lights so that. you can see everything. Why? Because. snowplows are actually very dangerous. vehicles. They've got blades. They. create snow dust clouds when they plow.

too quickly and certain conditions can. get very icy. There have been many an. instances where pets and humans have. been killed by a snow plow. >> Okay. Since I've never seen one in. person. >> Yes. >> What is it doing? Cleaning the snow or. >> Yeah. It like piles all the snow to the. side of the road. >> So, you know when you drive down like a. Yeah. So, and that's why Okay. They have. to go through the same road twice. because you want to pile all the snow to. the right side of the road and you can. only do like one direction at a time. But that's why it's this is a very. important witness because you don't just.

look forward when you're driving a. snowplow. You have to look at the sides. In fact, sometimes the sides are more. important because that's where someone. could get killed. >> I mean, obviously you could run over. someone and that's also dangerous, but. the sides are very important. Lucky is. on that shift and Fairview Road is one. of the roads that he is assigned to. cover that night. He knows the Albert. residence, which again isn't shocking. He's from Canton. That night when he. passes the Albert residence, the house. would have been on his right. This is. the first time he passes. He's driving.

the same way that every other partygoer. has been leaving this Albert residence. >> At what time? 2:30. >> 2:45 a.m. >> Okay. >> He's plowing the street. He sees the. lawn. He sees the flag pole. Everything. He doesn't see anything or anyone on the. lawn at 2:45 a.m. >> Not a sing not even like a a bump. Nothing. >> Nothing. >> Wow. He keeps plowing and then now he's. got to do another street and then he's. got to come back down the other side. because he's that's that's how you do.

it. And so he comes back down and this. is around 3:30 and this is when he does. notice something. There's now a car. parked in front. A Ford Edge just parked right in front. of the flag pole. >> And who drives Ford Edge? >> One of the Alberts. >> Chris Albert. I believe one of them. likes the Ford Edge, too, but it is. believed to be Brian Albert's Ford Edge, >> but it wasn't there. >> It was in the driveway, allegedly, >> but now it's on the side of the road. And so. >> from 2:45 to 3:30, you said.

>> Well, he passes at 2:45, he doesn't see. anything. 2:30 he comes back, he sees a. Ford Edge parked. And he thought it was. weird because he didn't say anything at. 2:45. And you're thinking, well, why is. he even remembering where cars are. parked? Because you're not supposed to. park your car on the street when the. snow plows are coming through during a. blizzard. In fact, Lucky is actually. told if there is a resident's car. parked, you have to call it in. You have. to call your supervisor. They try to. wake up the resident to move their car. or they'll come tow your car because the.

streets need to be plowed. >> You can't just inconvenience everyone. because you want to park on the street. He thought for that reason it's weird. Also, the fact that the Alberts never. really park on the side of the street, he just thought it was weird. But he. doesn't call it in because he said out. of respect for the Alberts, he just. didn't want to. He wanted to be. courteous because I guess, you know, he. had been friends with Chris. He had. worked for Chris at one point. He's. like, I'm not going to tattletail on the. Alberts. >> But he did think it was weird. He's. like, it's fine. I mean, cuz I guess he.

had already done that side, but it's. weird. He notates it. He thinks about. it. And then he keeps on his snowplow. route. And then later he comes back down. to like keep doing his route because I. mean the snow keeps piling on. And. that's when he notices emergency. vehicles all over the Albert residence. and he's so confused what's going on. He. can't even get into Fairview because. they're blocking him. >> So you think like Brian waited till the. snowplow is passed by the street to move. the car? >> Nizens believe that after the first time. Lucky drove by with the snowplow, he.

believed that the snowplow was no longer. going to be there. >> Mhm. And they moved the Ford edge to the. side of the street so that it could. block the street view for anyone driving. by as they're moving John's body. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And now, how does. Brian explain that? Brian Albert, >> they say that never happened. They're. like, "This man doesn't know what he's. talking about.". >> Okay. >> It's crazy because Lucky is one of the. most likable witnesses. Karen actually. cries when Ly's on the stand.

>> Really? Why? >> Well, he's like her lucky witness. And. on top of that, um, he's just a very. likable guy. He's worked a lot of jobs. He just I mean, to give you an idea, I. don't know how to tell you someone's. nice without giving you an example. Otherwise, it's just like he's nice. That night when he was plowing the. roads, he had hit one of those um. basketball nets, like portable ones that. you put water in the bottom, and someone. had left it near the street, his. snowplow. He saw it, but he couldn't. break fast enough.

>> and so he hid it. So he called it in and. said, "I I hit this resident's. basketball hoop.". >> I was attempting to avoid the net by. going around it, and the machine had a. different size body than what it. originally had. And I over I. underestimated. when I was going around that I need to. be wider. >> And now when you're plowing, uh, where. is your attention focused, sir? My.

attention's focused in front of me and. then to the sides. >> Why would your attention be focused to. the sides? >> Uh I am uh trying to be aware of uh any. side traffic, any pedestrians. and god forbid any animals. >> He just seems like a really nice guy. And so he's he's being questioned by. Hank Brennan Spanky on the second trial. And Spank is just aggressive for no. reason. He's saying, "Isn't it true that.

you've had pressure from social media to. testify a certain way?" And Lucky firmly. rejects all insinuations of that over. and over again until he finally says, "I. did not know I was being required to. testify a certain way. I was also at the. time dealing with the loss of my wife. I. was not paying any attention to any. social media. Sorry for your loss, but you are aware.

during defense's case that there was. pressure on you to testify in a certain. way. Isn't that fair to say? >> No. >> And everyone's like, "Sorry for your. lost, but question mark." It just felt. really cruel. >> So, he's called Lucky because his. statement is kind of like a very. important saving. >> I I think that's his original nickname. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. But it it's fitting. and he just. seems very credible, reliable, and. there's no reason for him to lie. But. what is weird, another layer of.

frustration in this case, because the. prosecutors keep trying to question Ly's. timing of things. They're like, m, we. don't know for sure that you drove down. that street at that time. Are you sure. it was this time? Because last time you. said maybe it was this time. Is your. memory not correct? They're being really. annoying about it. >> DPW trucks, the snowplows, they have GPS. systems. >> Mhm. Mh. >> And so the defense and everyone is like, "Okay, just pull it up then because we. everyone trusts Lucky. Lucky has no. reason to lie." Coincidentally,

>> yeah. They said it's not working that. night of the blizzard happen sometimes. They say all the troopers are asked, "Hey, so when you found out through the. snowplow driver that sometime around. that night, he saw a Ford Edge parked. outside. >> because I mean every witness inside of. the party said, "After everybody left, we fell asleep." So, even if it's an. innocent thing, it's still weird. It. goes against their statements, does it. not? Well, Buchanan is like, "Yeah, yeah, I know. But I didn't investigate. it. I didn't go and see if any of the.

Alberts own a Ford Edge." He just is so. proud of that. Tulie, on the other hand, he says, "Yes, I'm familiar with it.". But he says that his investigation into. the Ford Edge was that he believed that. Lucky was lying. Thus, he was not going. to investigate the Ford Edge. His. investigation consists of I investigated. it by thinking about how I felt about it. and I felt like I didn't like it so I no. longer investigated it. >> Is FBI still investigating this whole. investigation or no? Oh. Oh, you you.

said last time that. >> Spanky says that they're no longer Okay. The prosecutor's office is saying. they're no longer. They closed the. investigation. Karen is saying, "Hey, a. month before they came out and said that. the FBI is no longer investigating.". Mhm. >> I received certain documents that. insinuated that it was an open. investigation and she's saying, "Listen, I haven't heard from the FBI. I haven't. been alerted. Neither have our. attorneys, but I just wouldn't trust the. prosecutors.". >> So prosecutor has incentive to say that.

FBI found nothing wrong with our. investigation. Yes. >> Versus Karen was saying like, "Well, from my insight, they are.". >> Yeah. >> And we none of us know. It's like hush. hush. Cuz the feds are usually pretty. quiet about what they're doing until. >> they're not quiet about what they're. doing. >> When they release that, >> yeah, if there would be. >> if there is a conspiracy to the level at. which a lot of netizens believe there. is, that would be one hell of an FBI. investigation. Making this whole Ford.

Edge situation even stranger is that. when Nicole Albert is testifying, she's. asked about the cars parked in the. driveway at the Albert residence. and. she says, >> "I had my car, which was a Cadillac SUV. Um, my husband had his work car. We had. a I think a Ford Explorer. The kids were. driving a Ford um Escape, maybe.". >> Interestingly enough, she lists the make. and model of every single car except her. husband's work car, which happens to be.

a Ford Edge. >> Oh, she say work hard, not Ford Edge. No. >> But you also said there's a fourth car. That's your husband's work vehicle. >> Yes. Yeah. >> What type of car is that? >> That's a Ford Edge. >> A black Ford Edge. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Is there a reason that you didn't want. to state or commit to that in front of. this jury when you originally testified? >> No, there's no reason. I was just trying. to think of all the different cars. We. have five kids. We've had a lot of. different vehicles. I was just saying it. as how I remembered it. Now, Chris.

Albert takes the stand and he's asked. what he does for work and he says, >> "I'm self-employed. I own a small pizza. shop.". >> Completely just neglecting that he's on. the select board for Canton, which when. he is asked, and it's interesting. because he doesn't bring it up for most. of his direct later in cross, he'll be. very defensive about it. >> I'm recently elected, so I'm just going. through it. But yeah, >> so as a town selectman, you have some. power, do you not? >> Um, I'm one of five selectmen. Okay, 105. is that's a lot of power. Chris says.

that he knows John O'Keefe for a while. now. Quote, >> so he became my neighbor and I guess. just from me driving by his house and. coming home, I saw him, would wave to. him and stuff and that's how I initially. became to know who John was. So over the. years like um he he was friendly with. some other folks that I was friends. with. Um so I we'd maybe be out. occasionally and bump into him, but he. would also come to my pizza shop a lot. Um he would take his uh his nephew in my. pizza shop a lot. So it was not uncommon. for him to stop by a couple days a week.

Usually just grab a slice. >> That's what he says. Karen says that the. only person that ever made John O'Keefe. very very angry. However, was this guy. Colin Albert. He would always. intentionally leave beer bottles and. beer cans on John's lawn. He's not even. old enough to drink, by the way. She. remembers an incident in spring of 2020. where the home security system went off. at John's house. She's staying the night. over. She remembers John bolting out of. bed. She's running down the stairs after. him. And she looks out the window. They.

see Colin Albert and a bunch of. teenagers in the front yard and they. scream at John when he comes out. Go. yourself. >> That's crazy. >> John screams back at them, "Get the [ __ ]. out of here." The next morning, they go. outside and the lawn is littered with a. dozen empty Bud Light cans thrown into. the bushes. She thought it was. interesting because Colin Albert was 17. and this is the only person that John. O'Keefe has ever had problems with, which netizens speculate. What if John. O'Keefe already felt like he was doing.

some nefarious drug dealings at that. age? >> Yeah. >> And that's why he's being. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> crazy. >> Yes. >> And he's he's ballsy. He has no fear. He. thinks. >> daddy and other daddy and all the. mommies and daddies are going to protect. him. And I guess it's true. It's. happening. if that were the case, if it. is true. In any event, if you do see. Colin Albert on the stand, who was. there? >> I do not remember who was there. >> What did you do at Mike's house? >> I do not remember. >> How did you get to Mike's house?

>> No, I do not remember. >> How much did you drink at Mike's house? >> I do not remember. >> Aside from his profound inability to. remember a single occurrence that has. not happened in the past 2 seconds, Colin Albert is nothing like Colin. Albert on the stand. I always um tell my. mom and my dad that I'm home and usually. go up to their bedroom, give them a hug. at night, tell them I love them, and. then go down to bed. >> There are videos of him that the defense. have dug up where he's threatening. hockey teams, rival hockey teams. He.

doesn't even play hockey, but he's. sending video messages to high school. hockey teams saying, "Advantage boys, >> yo, your advantage boys, I will beat all. your asses. I promise you I will [ __ ]. you all up. Pull up, [ __ ]. >> [ __ ] In another one, he says, quote, "Ko, bang bang.". >> You're a [ __ ] bro. >> [ __ ] you. >> Yeah, [ __ ] you, you [ __ ]. >> Yeah,

bro. >> Clean code, boy. You be knocked out. KO. bang bang. >> And then you said KO bang bang, right? >> Correct. Explain that to me. >> Is that a threat? >> Yeah. >> Pull up, [ __ ] Right. >> Yeah. What's. >> KO mean? >> Knockout. >> And what does bang bang mean? >> I'm not sure, honestly.

>> You were just talking about knocking. somebody out, >> correct? >> And the bang bang just sort of flooded. >> Exactly. >> Was that a threat? >> Yes. So, you're threatening him yet again a. second time. >> Yeah. >> What does pull up mean? >> Like come by. >> Yeah. Meaning get over here. Mhm. >> Right. >> Yep. >> Cuz when you do, I'm going to [ __ ] you. up, right? >> Yeah. >> Meaning I'm going to fight you and I'm.

going to put you down. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> For Halloween, you see a picture of him. in a prisoner's uniform with a teardrop. tattoo. He's a murderer for Halloween. >> Bro, what is going on?

>> There's another picture of him with his. parents and all three of them are. flicking off the camera. It's believed. that he has like a beer can in his hand. and again he's underage and his parents. are just drinking with him. He is not. the studious soon to be college student. that he is trying so hard to sell his. image as on the stand. He is. >> young kid with a bright future. >> He's a very scary kid. He's the type of. kid that you run into this teenager in. an aisle at Target, you're going to want. to cry and you're I don't know 30. You.

>> ever been in a fight, sir? >> Other than when my brothers know. You've. never been in a fight? >> Nope. >> Your entire life? >> Other than with my brothers? No. [Music]. >> And what's even weirder is with this. connection. Remember how I said Chris. Albert is the one that invited John.

O'Keefe to the Waterfall Bar that night? Mhm. >> The text message that he sends him is. quote, "Get over here." Then another. text message reads, "If not, I'm going. to [ __ ] up your lawn." Laughing, crying. emoji. Chris Albert says, "This is a. joke." It's a he he haha joke inside. joke because John O'Keefe loves his. lawn. He's very nitpicky about his lawn. He's like one of those lawn guys. He. likes his grass to be green. >> If not, I will [ __ ] up your lawn. Haha. >> It sounds passive aggressive. It sounds.

tense. It sounds like the type of text. that you get where h. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> To send a text message like that, I. would assume that you would have to be. pretty close friends. >> Yes. >> But they're not. >> exactly. >> And there was already problems with the. lawn. >> I would not feel comfortable sending. this to anybody. >> No. Additionally, I will say there is a. weird moment during Chris's. cross-examination where he's asked about. what John O'Keefe's name is in Julie. Albert's phone. So, Julie Albert.

presumptuously, I guess she had John. O'Keefe's phone number for a while cuz. they're neighbors. And I imagine that if. they had any neighborly conversations, perhaps Julie was in charge of that. while Chris is running DNA pizza. >> What was your nickname and your wife. Julie's nickname for John O'Keeffe? >> Mr. Nevercracker. >> All right. And uh your wife Julie. actually had John O'Keefe plugged into. his contacts as Nevercracker. Correct. Correct. >> But it's a character from a movie, a.

cartoon, and it's someone that is. obsessed with their lawn. It's like one. of those grumpy neighbors that's like, "Get off my lawn. >> Get off my lawn. I'll trespass.". >> And Chris says this whole thing was a. joke. It was a joke because John was. upset that one of the kids was cutting. through his lawn to get to school. And. he's like, and it wasn't even Colin, it. was my other son. Do we believe him? Probably not. Do we believe that's the. reason that John was upset? Probably. not. But that is the reasoning that.

Chris Albert gives. And he's like, I. don't know what you you guys are talking. about. We were all friendly with each. other. The fact that Colin Albert is. allegedly leaving beer cans on John. O'Keefe's lawn. John O'Keefe has real. problems with Colin Albert. Julie Albert. has him saved as a very mean character. on her phone having to do with his lawn. And then Chris Albert, the night of. texts him, "Come or I'm going to up your. lawn." Laughing emoji. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, >> it just feels like something is off.

there. And if you're wondering, okay, well, if that is some sort of motive or. speculation or theory that people have, how do they get away with it? Well, Chris Albert's wife, Julie Albert, is. best friends with a woman named Courtney. Proctor. This is Trooper Proctor's. sister. Chris Albert himself attended. Courtney Proctor's wedding. They've all. known each other for past 20 years now. Karen's attorney is asking Julia. Now, in terms of the two investigators who. did come on, you knew one of them quite. well, did you not? I knew them, I. wouldn't say quite well, but I knew.

them. >> Okay. And when you say you knew them. >> Him. I'm sorry. Him. >> Okay. And who was it that you knew? >> Michael Proctor. Michael Proctor was the. brother of one of your close friends. Correct. Correct. You are close friends. with Courtney Proctor. Correct. I am. And you have a sister, Jill Daniels, who. also went to school with Sergeant Good. And you would agree that uh Jill Daniels. is also lifelong best friends with. Courtney Proctor. Correct? >> Yes, she is. Julie Albert is asked by.

Karen's attorney about her relationship. and she's just she's saying yes, but at. the same time she's also being very. evasive. At another point during her. cross, she's asked. >> you are very close with Courtney. Proctor. Correct. >> I don't how would you define very? You. talk regularly, correct? >> Yes. >> You text each other, correct? >> Yes. >> You also talk by phone. >> Very rarely. This is when Karen's.

defense attorney has a little moment. David Yianetti is like, "Wait, cuz he. starts on his next question.". >> Um, is it uh fair to did you say very. rarely you talk about usually it's text? But do you stand by that testimony that. you talk to Courtney Proctor very rarely. by phone? >> This is never good. This is never good. when you are on the stand or you're. talking to an attorney and they say, "Okay, so I need you to commit to this.

statement. I need you to commit 10 more. times because you just said it. So. commit again because you can't go back. now. So let's just drive it home.". >> Yeah. Yeah. Is he about to pull up some. kind of receipt? >> That's so good. Let me ask you this. Between February 1st of 2022 and. September 6th of 2022, did you only. speak rarely with Courtney Proctor? >> I don't recall. >> Were you using Courtney Proctor as an.

intermediary to communicate with Michael. Proctor about this case? >> No, I was not. Are you aware that. between February 1st of 2022 and. September 6th of 2022, you and Courtney. Proctor spoke by phone 67. times? >> Objection. >> Were you aware of that? >> No, I don't know the exact count. >> Do you deny that you spoke 67 times?

I don't deny it, but I don't I don't. recall the exact amount of times. >> Okay. So, you don't deny that you spoke. 67 times. You still want to maintain. your testimony that you only talked very. rarely with Courtney Proctor during that. time period. >> I just don't remember the exact amount. of times. Well, you know that my client Karen Reed. was arrested in connection with this.

case on February 1st of 2022. Do you. not? >> I do. >> You spoke to Courtney Proctor that date. for 12 minutes by phone. Correct. >> I don't recall exactly. I don't remember. exactly. >> Because Julia has amnesia, Karen's. attorney gives her a sheet to refresh. her memory. Likely her call logs, cell. data. February 2nd, 2022 is the day that. Karen Reed is arraigned. Julie talks to. Courtney three times before 9:00 a.m. Then after the arraignment, they talk.

again for another 27 minutes. Julie does. not recall any of these phone calls. She. definitely does not recall the contents. of the phone calls either. >> Did you tell Courtney Proctor during any. of these 67 phone calls that you were a. witness in her brother's case? >> I don't remember. Defense attorney. Yanetti brings up the fact that Julie. said that she rarely talks to Courtney. Proctor on the phone. And he says, >> "When I ask you how often you talked to. Courtney Proctor, you could have chosen.

any word in the English language to. answer that question." Correct. >> Correct. >> What was the word that you chose? >> Not often. I I I don't remember. >> Rarely. >> Rarely. Yes. >> That was your word, correct? >> It could have been. I don't really. recall. I was I don't recall. >> You don't recall telling this jury. yesterday that when I asked you about. how often you spoke to Courtney Proctor. by phone, you said, "Well, rarely.".

>> I I don't remember. >> What is your definition of rarely? >> Not daily. I not daily. Not. >> Yes. >> Once in a blue moon. >> No. Rarely doesn't mean to you 67 phone. conversations within a 7-month period. Does it? >> A 67. time period in how many? 8 months.

>> In about 7 months. 67 times. >> It's It's not a lot. I would I wouldn't. think it's a lot in 7 months. >> Nizens were so frustrated by this. testimony. They comment. Julia remembers. everything except for the phone. conversations and everything else. Netzens think that she clearly had time. to think about it the next day because. she testified over two days. I mean, three times in one day. Is that even. that's a lot. Side note, this is the. glorious moment when Julia Albert is. asked about which troopers came to her.

house to interview her and she says. trooper Proctor and I don't remember the. next guy. Um, I think it was like. >> and trooper bukaki. Bukaki. >> And she says it with such a straight. face. She calls bouetic bukkaki. So. >> that's his name now. >> Yeah, that's his name. Now it is. believed that there is um like a online. social media investigator who has. nicknamed him trooper. And so it's it's.

theorized that she's very much keeping. up with his reports on this case. >> Oh, someone else named him Bukaki. >> Yes, >> that stickked. >> Yeah, the Okay, he's going to be in the. next episode, but he's pretty close with. Karen Reed and he was actually one of. the first people to really actively. focus on this case and to focus on the. fact that he believes that Karen Reed. was framed and she clearly is keeping up. with his. >> his coverage. Yeah. Because the way that.

she says officer bukkakei, I mean, I. don't think she knows what that word. means. I don't think she gets the joke. because the way she said it with her. full chest. >> Oh, she thought that was actually his. name. >> Yeah. >> Wa. >> Yeah. And it's just a very uncomfortable. moment. >> Soaki is like what? He's cocky. Is that. I don't know what that means. But Julie Albert maintains that it.

really doesn't impact the investigation. or her status as a potential witness. However, another group chat is unearthed. from February 24th, 2022. This is less. than a month after John's death. Julia. Albert texts Michael Proctctor in a. group chat between her sister Courtney. Proctor. Michael Proctor. And she texts. him, "This is the weekend I've been. waiting for, Michael. Please send me ski. videos of Courtney Proctor. If she. doesn't share them with me, laughing. emoji.". >> What? What video? >> I guess they're going on a family skiing.

trip and Julia's like, "She's not going. to send me her skiing videos and I want. to embarrass her." So, Michael, you got. to send them to me. >> Jackson is staring at Proctor. He's also. bringing this up to Proctor. This is. sent less than a month that you had been. assigned to the investigation in which. Julie Albert is a witness. Correct. Correct. And her husband Albert, Chris. Albert has a connection as a witness. Correct. Correct. And you didn't mention. a thing about your relationship with. Julie Albert, Chris Albert, or Colin. Albert in any report that you've ever. drafted in this case, did you? I did.

not. Michael Proctor's text messages to. his own sister, Courtney Proctor, were. also brought up during the two trials. And it's mainly because the FBI dug them. up and gave it both to the Commonwealth. and the defense. Now, Michael Proctor. texts his sister on January 29th, 2022, the day of the investigation. He's. texting her, "What's up?" She says, "What? Why? just found a frozen to death. on a front lawn in Canton. Actually just. interviewed Jen McCabe. She says she. knows you. Cut this [ __ ] Yeah, she. knows Jack very well. She's really good.

friends with Julie. Her sister is. married to Brian Albert. You still. working? Yeah, going to be out for a. while. Homicide. The Canton thing is a. homicide. Don't say a word to anyone. Of. course not. At the very least, it's. suspicious. This is your livelihood. Julie and Chris were at the bar with the. victim and the girlfriend. Got to. interview them. So, he's already telling his sister, "I'm going to interview your best friend. soon." But he doesn't for a really long. time now. February 10th, 2022, Courtney. texts Michael again. How did it go at.

Julie's? She was so nervous. So, this is. what, 11 days after. >> She was so nervous. >> Mhm. Haha. It was. >> What is this? A job interview like. recommendation from your bestie? >> And why would she be nervous? She's not. even at the house. >> Exactly. Why the she Why are you. nervous, Julie? >> Exactly. >> Why are you nervous, Julie? He has. nothing to do with you. >> Nothing to do with you. Nothing to do. with your husband. Nothing to do with. your son. Right. >> Right. >> Right. And nervous is a very specific. word. I think talking to any. investigator would make me feel. uncomfortable, but I think when there is.

a death, I don't know if nervous would. be the word that I would use if you were. innocent and in Julie's position. He says, "Haha, it was fine. Just a. quick convo." Jackson asks Proctor and. the Cross, "Were you reporting the. progress of your investigation back to. your sister, Courtney Proctor?" No, absolutely not. >> But you did say. that the conversation, the the formal. interview went fine. It was just a quick. convo. Correct. >> Proctor tries to explain away these. messages, saying, "I was just kind of. letting her know I was working. I mean,

obviously, I didn't share anything. specific. I wouldn't share anything. specific on cases with my family or. anyone. It was just kind of an overall. innocent conversation. But you did, Proctor. You You have. shared too much information. You have. shared things that are so insane that I. don't even want to know the things that. you haven't shared. Jackson asks him. >> Trooper Proctor Julie and Chris Albert. were not actually treated like witnesses. in a murder investigation. They were. treated more like friends. Wouldn't you. agree, >> Jackson? >> Is that true? >> Absolutely not.

>> You provided your sister with updates on. important advancements during the course. of your investigation into this case. Did you not periodically? Uh, >> I made her aware of newsworthy stuff. There's also a random text message. that's thrown in there. I don't know why. these were chosen, but one text is from. Proctor telling his sister about how. he's starving and just wants to go home. And his sister responds, "Yeah, but is. dinner going to be waiting?". Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I don't know if she's taking jabs at. Elizabeth Proctor, Trooper Proctor's. wife. I don't know.

>> Yeah, what is that? >> Yeah, >> it's a weird comment. >> Later, Courtney texts Michael Proctor. I. just saw Julie and she said when this is. all over she wants to get you a thank. you gift. I guess her and Chris were. friends with John and she's so proud of. you for leading this. >> Oh [ __ ]. >> He responds, get Elizabeth one. Elizabeth is Trooper Proctor's wife. Courtney Proctor says Elizabeth? Like. why would she get a gift for your wife? Michael Proctor says she's been stuck. with the kids for the last 10 nights. Yeah, but she knew what life was married.

to a cop. >> Oh, she doesn't like Elizabeth. >> I don't think so. Courtney doesn't like. Elizabeth. >> No. Eventually, another text message is. unearthed where Proctor texts his sister. that he hopes Karen Reed selfexits. And. he's asked about this on an ABC. interview and he says that that comment. was made in justest. It's a figure of. speech. He's like, you know, hopefully. she kills herself. That's a figure of. speech. The ABC interviewer is like, that's a figure of speech. Do you use. that commonly? I mean, yes, but not.

commonly, but it's just a figure of. speech I made in justest. It wasn't. literally like, "I hope she self-exits.". In the cross- examination, Jackson, rightfully furious, asks Proctor, "You. believed, Trooper Proctor, that your. life would be much easier if Karen Reed. was just dead, didn't you?". >> No, no, no. Like, I had said it was a. figure of speech. Um, my emotions got. the best of me based on, you know, the. fact that Miss Reed hit Mr. O'Keefe with. his her vehicle and left him to die on. the side of the road. So, my emotions.

got the best of me with that figure of. speech. >> But nizens are not convinced. And if you. feel bad at all for his wife, Elizabeth. Proctctor, don't. June 9th, 2022, Michael Proctor texts his wife Elizabeth. waiting to lock this whack job up. This. is after the grand jury indictment and. he's asked by the prosecution and again, as far as the terminology that you used. in the text message to your wife, why is. that? Again, unprofessional message. should not have been sent. and he's just. saying it's regrettable. But the effect.

is not lost on the jurors. I mean, the. lead investigator has had it out for. Karen Reed since the moment that this. has all started. And Troop Proctor, it. would be far easier, far easier for you. to pin it on the girl who's just a whack. job [ __ ] in your words, who you hope. just kills herself. Right. >> Objection. >> Sustained. Shame on you, sir.

>> On top of that, Jen McCabe, during all. of this, her car was spotted outside of. Trooper Proctor's house. Why is she at. Trooper Proctor's house? She's talking. to Trooper Proctor's wife, Elizabeth. And why is she talking to Elizabeth. Proctor? Well, I guess first of all, they're friends. And Buchen tries to. answer this question during his. cross-examination. He says. >> Elizabeth Proctor in communicated with. those individuals due to the harassment. that they've sustained. >> So, uh, with the crazy behavior that's.

been, you know, imposed on them, um, and. the torturous harassment they've. endured, the traumatic, um, experiences they've had to live. through, they've communicated. So, I've. learned about that. Yes. >> I mean, this whole thing, >> what is he saying exactly? He's saying. that Jen McCabe went over to Trooper. Proctor's house to talk to Elizabeth. Proctor, his wife, because both of them. are facing harassment. Jen McCabe is. getting harassed. Elizabeth Proctor is. getting harassed because her husband is. absolutely crazy. Elizabeth Proctor is.

not someone that a lot of people feel. sympathy for. She does an NBC interview. where she states that her husband is. being portrayed as some sort of villain. in this case, and it's unfair. She says, "He is my best friend. He's an. incredible father. He's loyal. He's a. hard worker." And it's so frustrating as. his wife to see that he's painted one. way and who I know him as and his family. and friends know him is the complete. opposite. >> The no Nes Proctor we're talking about. here. >> Yeah. And I'm just like I don't think. you know this man because that's not I.

don't think we have it wrong. Elizabeth. says, "Since these text messages have. gone public, their family has been on. the receiving end of death threats and. weird voicemails about people wanting to. kidnap their children and send them to. CPS to live with appropriate parents and. to kidnap their dogs, which do I think. that those are appropriate? No." But. she's continuing to enable him. She. says, "These last 2 and 1/2 years have. been a nightmare for our family. Was. there a moment?" She's being asked by. the journalist. Was there a moment where.

you had to say to him, "Is there. something to this? Is there something. you need to tell me?" No, never. It. never would have crossed my mind that he. would do anything unethical with his. job. >> Uh, no news so far. >> Because I know how much he does the. right thing and how much he cared about. his job and cared about getting justice. for officer John O'Keefe. >> Do they even talk about John O'Keefe in. their investigation? >> Barely ever. >> Right. Like I feel like none of them. And that's why Karen Reed said something. that pissed off a lot of people,

including John O'Keefe's family. But. outside the courthouse one day, she. says, "Nobody has been fighting harder. for justice for John O'Keefe than I. have." Because if she's acquitted, perhaps they will look for who did. actually kill him. >> Is no one has fought harder for justice. for John O'Keefe than I have, than I. have and my team. Thank you. >> Naturally, it was very divisive. M. >> Elizabeth says that she knew about the. nature of the text messages before the. trial, but she didn't know to the.

extent. She said that when her husband. was testifying, she told him, "You got. to just own it." And while he was. reading those text messages in the. courtroom, she felt quote very. uncomfortable. You're his wife. Like, how did that feel for you? We've had so. many conversations since then, and it's. like he's incredibly remorseful. But, you know, I'm not making any excuses for. his behavior because it's inexcusable. The language that was used, it it was. bad. But at the end of the day, you. know, it was the evidence pointed to. her, not his bias. >> Your figures of speech include the.

following. She's a [ __ ]. >> Yes. >> A whack job. >> Yes. >> A [ __ ]. >> Yes. >> Her balloon knot leaks. >> Yes. >> No ass. >> Yes. >> She's [ __ ] according to you, right? >> Yes. >> Ass leaker. >> Correct. >> A girl who [ __ ] herself. >> Correct. >> And then [ __ ] her. Correct. >> Correct. And you admitted in your own. words that the cop homeowner wasn't. going to quote catch any. Right. >> Correct. The homeowner wasn't going to. catch any [ __ ] because Mr. Alba had. nothing to do with Mr. O'Keefe's death. >> because you were going to make sure that.

the case was cut and dry. Those were. your words, right? >> Sustained. >> Another time she just fully states, "I. fully support my husband Karen Reed as a. murderer." Even Proctor's sister stands. by him. She released a statement that. says, "Egregiously false statements from. Karen Reed and her defense team. He has. been defamed, maligned, and falsely. labeled corrupt by the alleged murderer, her family, her defense team, and a mob. of her followers. How would you feel if. the contents of your personal phone were. questionably released to the public. without full context? Um, I don't think. we need full context. And also, he tried.

to give us the context. It didn't it. made it worse. When talking to Dineine, yeah, Michael Proctor's out here doing. interviews on his green grass lawn for. Dineine. He says, "People love a. conspiracy." What do you want to say to. anyone who believes that you framed. Karen Reed? >> Cuz it did not happen. I would never do. something like that. >> And then on ABC, because it's a press. tour now, he says, "I 100% understand. why people would think that any case. that I've touched is a little weird, but. when you have a fellow police officer.

around my age, two kids of his own, it. generates an emotion, and I express. those emotions in a negative way, which. I shouldn't have. I shouldn't have been. texting my friends anything." The. Proctor Couple later would argue, I. would ask, "What's in your phone? what's. in your private phone, your personal. phone, your private conversations. And I would answer, not that. That's. definitely not in there at all or. anything similar to that. That's for. sure. Whatever was on his phone had to. get the FBI involved. >> So, I would say definitely not that. One.

criminal justice professor comments on. this case, when the FBI steps in, that's. usually an indication that they are in. possession of some information that is. extremely damaging to the law. enforcement agencies involved. And that. leaves people wondering, are they going. to investigate DNA pizza? The FBI. People are commenting reviews for DNA. pizza. One review reads, "I was talking. about how bad the food was, and the. service wasn't what I had hoped it would. be. The ambiance wasn't worth writing. home about." Speaking about homes, Colin. was never in the house. Others.

emphasized some of Albert's Boston. accents, writing, "Chicken parm was cold. and mediocre at best. owner was very. rude and called me a loser when I asked. for it to be reheated. Someone asked for a salad with a side of. sideb. So, I'm convinced I've just like don't. I've never heard a Boston accent until. this case. >> And you heard like hundreds of hours of. Boston accent. >> Yes. And what's driving me crazy is I.

was talking to the RMT. I kept saying. cop and they're like you and I keep like. extending cop. Side note, it appears. that they're also either using AI to. respond to their reviews or they're also. playing into all of this because one. review reads, "I found pieces of what. appeared to be a cracked plastic tail. light in my pizza. Probably fell out of. the owner's pocket. The pepperoni and. sausage had the taste and smell of a. German Shepherd that had been dead for a. few years." One star. The establishment. responds, "David, we sincerely apologize. for your experience and appreciate your. feedback. We are committed to improving.

and ensuring better quality for our. customers. Thank you for bringing this. to our attention. >> Another review reads, "The atmosphere I. gave to you because the place looked. nice from the outside, but I was never. inside the place." The restaurant. responds, "We appreciate your comments. about the atmosphere, and we are sorry. you didn't get to experience the inside. of our restaurant. We hope to see you. soon for a better experience." This is. when I started thinking, "Maybe it's not. AI because one reviews, the pizza is. absolutely to die for. The Alberts. absolutely killed it. Buy some extras to.

put in the garage and freeze it. How. long to cook from cold? Depends on the. oven temperature. This pizza shop is. easily found right on the street. Couldn't even miss it in the snow. Our. dog Chloe loved it so much she almost. took off my arm trying to steal a slice. Unfortunately, due to random. renovations, you can't use the restroom. It's very cold inside. It's definitely a. cover up type of situation. To which the restaurant responds, "Thanks a lot, Peter. So glad you loved. the pizza and that Chloe enjoyed it,

too." Laughing crying emoji. "We'll. definitely keep your feedback in mind. about the restroom situation. Come back. anytime for more delicious slices.". >> That is wild. >> I'm thinking AI did not write that one. >> Then who wrote it? >> Someone here. >> Are they playing just playing dumb? >> No, they're also being passive. aggressive. >> Oh. Oh, >> yeah. >> Hm. Another one reads, "The Albert pizza. special, available exclusively at. Canton's most controversial pizzeria,

comes topped with thick layers of. confusion, a crust of connections baked. in secrecy, pepperoni slices that keep. mysteriously shifting places, olives no. one remembers ordering, finished with a. drizzle of we can't comment on an. ongoing investigation, and don't even. ask who delivered it." Half the town. swears it would never arrive. The other. half says it's been sitting outside the. whole time. To which the response is, "Thank you for your creative feedback, George. We appreciate your input and. apologize for your experience, but one. review just reads, "How's long to make a. bad pizza?" And that is where I leave.

you with the very lengthy part three. And the next episode is going to be the. final episode. That is the chicken parm. pizza shop DN theory that has been kind. of running a muck on social media. recently, but Chris Albert is one to. keep an eye out for. He will be in the. next episode as well. and Chloe. We're. going to get to Chloe in the next. episode, some of the accident. reconstructionists. But Chris is an. interesting man because there is a very. strong connection. He's not just friends.

with Officer Link. They had an incident. where they got into a very intense fight. with some people outside of a bar many. years ago. But even before then, Chris. is just the man with all the. connections. If you thought Brian Albert. was connected, this one is connected. He's connected to Chief Kenneth. Burkowitz who recommended him to be one. of the five select men. He's friends. with all these people. Michael Link. Michael Lank was willing to get into a. bar fight for Chris Albert, but he's. also connected to none other than Auntie.

Bev, the judge presiding over Karen. Reed's case. Why? Well, it all starts. when Chris Albert. allegedly murdered a man. And that will. be in part four. Stay tuned, stay safe, and I will see you in the next one. [Music].