I Saw Luigi Mangione In Court, And This Is EVERYTHING He Did

[Music]. Bada bing, bada boom. >> December 4th, 2024, Brian Thompson, CEO. of United Healthcare, is shot dead in. front of his New York City hotel in. Midtown Manhattan. 5 days later in. Pennsylvania, Luigi Manion shouts at the. press, "It is completely out of touch. and an insult to the intelligence of the. American people and their lived. experience." completely out of touch and. it's an insult the intelligence and the. American people experience.

>> This is what he screams before the. police push him up against a brick wall. to silence him and they force him inside. the courthouse. He is then charged with. crimes related to the death of United. Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson from. Pennsylvania. Luigi Manion is shipped. out to New York where he is once again. arraigned for charges in connection with. the death of United Healthcare CEO Brian. Thompson. Then he's taken basically down. the street to another courthouse to the. federal courthouse in New York City. where he is for a third time aranged for.

the death of United Healthcare CEO Brian. Thompson. As we speak, Luigi Manion. faces three separate trials and charges. for the events that allegedly he. contributed to December of 2024. And it. feels like all three jurisdictions are. more or less in some sort of pissing. contest to be the ones to take down. 27-year-old Luigi Manion. He has charges.

in Pennsylvania which include forgery, carrying a firearm without a license, tampering with records of. identification, possessing instruments. of crime, and giving a false ID to an. officer. Then in New York State court, he has a total of 11 charges. Murder in. the first degree in furtherance of an. act of terrorism, murder in the second. degree as a crime of terrorism, and. murder in the second degree with a. non-terrorism charge, along with four. counts of thirdderee criminal possession. of a weapon, two counts of secondderee.

criminal possession of a weapon, and. another fourthderee criminal possession. of a weapon and one count of secondderee. criminal possession of a forged. instrument punishable up to 7 years. Then federally, he is now facing another. four charges for murder through the use. of a firearm, stalking resulting in. death, and the use and possession of a. firearm in relation to a violent crime, and interstate transportation of. firearms and ammunition with intent to. commit a felony. Luigi's top charges in.

the federal courts is punishable by the. death penalty. >> Right. I tried death penalty cases. throughout my career. If there was ever. a death case, this is one. This guy's. charged with a violent crime and we're. going to seek the death penalty whenever. possible. >> The federal government is seeking. capital punishment against Luigi Manion. I will say that these charges are. probably the more controversial parts of. his case that's pending. A lot of people. take issue with the terrorism charges in.

particular. People can sit and argue. with each other all day long until the. sun goes down about whether or not his. alleged crime if has been committed by. Luigi can be justified by the abysmal. state of healthcare in the United. States. That's just a debate. I don't. really think you can convince one person. or the other. If one person is so firm. on it doesn't matter, breaking the law. is breaking the law and that will never. be okay. I don't think that there is a. way to even get them to see another.

perspective or vice versa. I just don't. think it's possible. But I will say that. across the board, people do have a. problem with the fact that he has been. charged with terrorism in New York State. court. I think the most perplexing part. of this is most school shooters do not. even face terrorism charges or even. capital punishment, the death penalty. Some people will argue it's a. jurisdictional thing, but a lot of. people say no, it's not. It's again very. subjective. And yet Luigi Manion is.

going up against three different court. systems, three different sets of. prosecutors, three different. jurisdictions, and his defense team, all. of whom we will dive deeper into once. the trial begins. But we do have some. familiar faces. His main lead attorneys. on his cases in New York State and. federal court are the Agnifilos. Karen. Agnifil and her husband Mark Agnifil, who also happened to be Shawn Combmes's. lead defense council. They are coming in. swinging. In each one of these court.

cases, they are arguing against these. simultaneous trials. Side note, double. jeopardy is a huge thing in the United. States, which is the unlawful. prosecution of a person twice for the. same offense. There's a lot of legal. debate about this. A lot of people in. the legal field say technically it's not. double jeopardy because he hasn't been. prosecuted for a crime. >> So it's not like he's been tried, convicted, and then we're going to retry. him. It's just simultaneously all of. these court cases are actively pending.

Karen Agnil, the lead defense attorney, she says the prosecutors, quote, they're. trying to get two bites at the apple to. convict Mr. Manion. As a result of. unprecedented prosecutorial. oneupmanship, Mr. Manion now faces three. simultaneous prosecutions in three. different jurisdictions, one of which is. seeking the death penalty, while another. is seeking life imprisonment, all for. one set of facts. She has continued to. call out police who quote methodically. and purposefully trample on Luigi.

Manion's constitutional rights. And. there has just been so much argument. about whether the terrorism charges are. warranted, whether capital punishment is. warranted, whether or not it's double. jeopardy to have all three cases pending. at the same time, which also means it's. much harder for his legal defense team. to focus down on one case specifically. It's a lot of. >> legal loopholes that they have to jump. through non-stop. H. >> we're going to be attending Luigi.

Manion's New York State hearing. September 16th in New York City. This. hearing is important for a variety of. different reasons. There are a few. things that are going to be discussed. during this hearing that's going to be. important such as the terrorism charges. There is HIPPO violations that have been. alleged where prosecutors have allegedly. done some shady try and get some medical. records that they were not supposed to. be privy to. So all of that's going to. be covered in the hearing hopefully. And. this video is also going to be different. in the sense of a lot of people have.

been asking for vlogs. I know some of. you guys are probably new to Rotten. Mango, but we used to vlog like I used. to vlog my personal life back then and. I've since kind of stopped because all I. do is work on cases and I didn't think. that would be very riveting. But at the. same time, people have been asking for a. lot of the behind-the-scenes footage or. information on how we work on our. episodes. So, this is kind of a. combination of both. It's going to be a. completely different video format than a. regular Rotten Mango episode. So, instead of just attending the hearing.

and then coming back to tell you about. it, which is similar to how we've. covered like the Shawn Combmes case, even during that, a lot of you guys have. been asking, show us more about what's. happening in real time at the courthouse. as it's occurring. And so, that is kind. of what we're trying to do here. It's. definitely a newer type of video and we. just want to show you what happens more. behind the scenes. Hopefully, it's. insightful. If not, just let me know. But I do think that for this case, it. could be very important because it seems. like a lot of people that are actively.

covering the case that are I mean, I. think leagues ahead of my expertise or. even just there people that are actively. trying to talk about all of the key. elements in this case, a lot of them. have been getting censored. A lot of. maybe the behind the scenes of like how. people are digging into this case has. been um it's just been getting weird. So, I'm going to take you guys to New. York and we are going to go to the. hearing together.

[Music]. Does anyone have the press passes? Yes, >> I was supposed to go through all of the. court documents last night, maybe even. the day before, but I was working on a.

different case and I got like 300 pages. of the court document and then all of a. sudden they just dropped 2,000 pages. last minute. So, I had to go through. that. >> So, what are we looking at? >> It's not that bad. So, this is a. compilation of some news articles, but. mainly like the um cases. So, we have. Pennsylvania, New York, federal. Not a lot of case files so far. I don't. know if it's good or bad, but I guess. good for me since I don't have a lot of. time. >> In Hawaii.

>> Oh, yeah. And there's something from. Hawaii. >> What's going on in Hawaii? >> It's just one page. >> Okay. >> From 2023. >> Oh, there's a case in Hawaii or. >> violated a trail thing cuz sometimes. they have like offlimit trails cuz it's. so dangerous people will die. Oh, is. that where he took the picture? >> It's possible. The photo looks like it's. it's like. >> from one of those trails. >> I saw people going on TikTok and going. to that exact spot to take the photo. where Luigi took the photo. Yes,

>> it's they they say it like the Luigi. pilgrimage. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Oh, he got in trouble for that. >> I don't know if it's that exact, but. >> Oh, >> hey, did we email um Thomas Dicki? >> Yeah. You can look on this table and. here. Here's all the evidence I have. right here, guys. Zoom in. Zoom in. I. supposedly want to Nothing. I've seen. nothing. I have nothing. >> And both have my clothes. >> Nothing yet. >> Nothing yet. >> He's a young man and he is being treated.

like a human pingpong ball between two. waring jurisdictions here. >> What did you say? >> There's his signature. >> That's his hammer ready. >> Oh, no. Mark. It's Mark. >> Oh, yeah. It's Mark's signature. >> I thought he just got brought on. >> Um, this is from. >> 2024. >> I think he's been on, but we only ever. cared about Karen until we saw Mark in. action. >> Oh, yeah. He he was in all the previous. hearings, >> but I think. >> but he was focused on Diddy's case. So, >> yeah,

>> a human law enforcement wall. Council. received seven terabytes of discovery, including body cam footage and other. videos. We just landed in New York and. apparently the police has stopped by. just asking like what's going on to our. lines.

Basically, people have problems with. well, like the first problem that people. have is that he's being charged in. Pennsylvania, New York, and then the federal case, SDNY. So, and it's technically all for. the murder of Brian Thompson. And so, people are saying like for a person. killing another person allegedly, you. just don't really have cases where it's. tried in three different jurisdictions. I mean, technically you can legally it.

is allowed, but it just doesn't happen. So, like that's the first thing. And New. York State, the state case wants to go. before the federal case. And then the. they're literally all fighting for. Luigi. The state, they want to try their case. before the feds. And they're adamant on. it. And Luigi's defense is like, well, you can't because we're literally trying. to fight a capital case, like capital. punishment. Like, they want the freaking. death penalty. That's that's the most. important thing right now.

>> Wait, can you explain the the three. charges real quick? >> Yes. Okay. So, he's got um that's where. he was apprehended is in the McDonald's. and Altuna, Pennsylvania with the Altuna. police. >> Those are it's like forgery, his fake. license. Remember, he had a fake. license, the weapons, it's like um all. these little I don't want to say small, but they're definitely smaller charges. in Pennsylvania. >> What how long is he looking at there? Do. we know like the based on the charges? I. mean, I don't think it really matters. >> Oh, that's true. >> These are like, you know, the kind of.

like the smaller charges. Then he gets. extradite. Well, he doesn't get. extradited. He ws extradition. He goes. to New York. So, New York State NYPD, they do the perp walk. NYPD, they charge. him with murder. And they're like, okay. And also terrorism. So, they have the. New York State case, which is the. hearing that we're going to tomorrow. And then after that, the feds indict. him. So now he's got the Pennsylvania. case, New York State case, which are. more serious charges. You've got murder,

terrorism, you've got like all the. weapons charges, and then the federal. case, murder, that's capital punishment. That's what they're seeking is the death. penalty. So this is where it gets really. crazy. They're all fighting for him. right now. New York State, they want to. try their case first. Parent Agnif and. the whole defense team, they're like, "No, you can't because the feds are. literally trying to kill my client." So, no, that should be the most important. thing. The fed's case has to go first. and the state is like, "No." And then. Pennsylvania is like, "Hello, don't.

forget about us. We need Luigi for a. hearing in November." So Luigi's. attorney, Thomas Dicki, he is only. representing him in the Pennsylvania. case. >> They're like, "No, Luigi's not going to. show up on Zoom. He's not going to do a. video conference because like we're not. doing this with you guys." Pennsylvania. is like, "Well, you better. You better.". and his attorney is like, "No, you can't. make us. You, if you want Luigi, you got. to get him in person." So, the. Pennsylvania DA is emailing Jay Clayton.

of the SDNY, the feds, and the feds are. like, "Respectfully and unrespectfully. and disrespectfully, [ __ ] off." They're. like, "Nope, you're not getting Luigi.". >> Oh, let me get the email. >> Pennsylvania just wants him for a. hearing. They won't take a zoom. >> Luigi's team does not want to take a. zoom. And I totally get why they don't. want to. >> They Luigi's team just want them to hold. off. >> No, Luigi's team is saying like we have.

three different jurisdictions in a. pissing contest for our client. And like. they're literally playing with our. client's life. >> just so that they can say what that. they're, >> you know, right? So they're saying if. you want him, come get him. And they're. all just like fighting for Luigi. But. this email is actually insane. Let me. find this email. Dear Mr. Weeks, which. is the Blair County DA in Pennsylvania, as we discussed, the United States. Attorney's Office for the Southern. District of New York respectfully. declines to authorize the physical. return of defendant Luigi Manion to your.

jurisdiction while the federal criminal. charges in USV Manion are pending. The. United States intends to keep custody of. the defendant until the conclusion of. the federal prosecution, including. sentencing. Accordingly, our office will. instruct the US Marshalss because. Pennsylvania was like, "Put in an order. Put in an order to the US Marshalss that. we need him for the hearing. We're going. to transport him back to Pennsylvania. for the hearing, take care of him, and. then bring him back to you." But now. they're saying, "Accordingly, our office.

will instruct the US Marshalss not to. honor any writing to take custody of the. defendants to appear in your. jurisdiction.". Yeah. Basically saying disrespectfully, no. Wow. >> The feds are like, "We are not releasing. him until after sentencing," which could. literally be death. >> Yes. And it's crazy because the federal. cases, it's like a whole other thing. They're trying to push the trial for mid. to late 2026. >> Luigi's defense is saying, "Hey, most.

capital punishment cases, they don't. even start like the commencement of a. trial for like 48 months. This is like. fast. This is crazy. We don't have time. to prepare for something like this." And. then on top of that, there are so many. problems. So that's just the federal. case. That's the problem. Oh, there's. other problems with the federal case. Who am I kidding? So in the federal. case, they were monitoring his calls. At. the MDC, there's two different phone. lines that you can use that inmates can. use. So the first phone line is like an. attorney phone line. They cannot record.

those phone conversations. It's. literally just attorneys with the. inmates. It's protected. Then you have. the second, which is a regular phone. line. And I think inmates get like a. certain number of minutes. They can call. their friends. They can call their. family. But a lot of inmates actually. end up calling their attorneys through. that line. I don't know. I feel like. there's got to be a reason for it. Whether it's easier, whether it's. quicker to access your attorney, whether. it's just like a less friction way, but. it seems like lots of inmates talk to. their attorneys there. Luigi is on a.

phone call with Karen Agnif, his lead. attorney, and that is recorded. And one of the parallegals at the. prosecution team, one of the prosecutors. parillegals listened to a portion of it. before they realized it was Karen. Magnif. >> But that's what they're saying in. quotes, right? >> Yeah. And so they're saying like it's a. mistake. >> And then they're also saying it's like. kind of y'all's fault because why wasn't. he using the attorney phone line? And.

like in the beginning of each phone call. from this side, it tells you like all. calls are going to be recorded. So, like. technically it's y'all's fault. So, that. was like the whole mishap with the. federal thing. Well, there's other. mishaps too and it gets very political. It's the fact that it was um the Luigi's. defense team is saying this is become so. political in the sense that it's not. even really it's not even really the. justice system anymore is kind of what. they're saying in their like motions is. the attorney general Pam Bondi who was.

appointed by Trump. She was the one that. came out and said we are going to seek. the death penalty for Luigi Manion. And. she also did not give him any sort of. presumption of innocence. Never said. allegedly. Never said we're going to get. to the bottom of like why he did this, if he did this. Like it was nothing like. that. The wording was very strong. It. was incredibly. passionate towards his assumption of. guilt, which is not how the justice. system works. She makes that statement.

and then a two weeks later they're. seeking capital punishment. Luigi's. defense team is saying like how can we. get a proper jury in here when even the. attorney general of the United States is. not even giving our client the. presumption of innocence until proven. guilty. >> So that's a whole issue with the federal. case. Then the New York State case that. the hearing that we're going to. tomorrow, there's so many problems. there. And I think that this is going to. be probably the biggest problem that's. going to be covered tomorrow is what I'm.

thinking, but is the DA's office, Manhattan DA's office, they do a. subpoena to Edna Healthcare. They're. like, "Hey, Edna, Luigi was a client of. yours. We need his member ID number and. we're going to need the time period that. he was under your care, like under your. I don't know if it's like insurance or. whatever, under your care." They're. like, "We need it by May 23rd, 2025, and. you need to give it to us by May 23rd,

2025, which is like a court proceeding. date. Otherwise, you're going to be held. in contempt of court." Yeah. Criminal. contempt of court. Etna. >> Uh-huh. And you might be fined up to. like $100,000. >> Also, like you can just mail it or. deliver it. Also, here's the contact. information. And they give the DA's. office. So, they're saying there's so. many problems with that. The defense is. saying, first of all, they bypass the. court. Anytime that you're supposed to. get these types of records, they. actually are supposed to send it to the.

court, not to the DA's office. >> Mhm. >> But they're like, "Hey, just contact the. DA's office if you have questions." So, they're just bypassing the court, going. straight to the DA's office. Etna is. like, "Okay, here are the records." They. give the records. What did the. prosecutors ask for? Member ID and time. period, right? They get back 120 pages. Mhm. >> That sounds like a lot more than member. ID and time period, right? However, the. DA's office in Manhattan is like, let's. just like take a look. Let's take a.

look. It's privileged medical documents. It's literally HIPPO violation after. Hippo violation is what the defense is. arguing. This is like statements Luigi. Manion has personally made to his. doctors. its medical diagnosis all in. this 120 page document where at the very. top of the first page of every sing. freaking file. The first page of every. file reads. request for protected health. information. And so they're saying,

"Why' you guys go through that?" Okay. Now, the prosecutors, they realize this. They've already opened it up. One of the. prosecutors has opened it up. Scrolled. through it. And then they're saying, "Oh, we just realized we're not supposed. to be seeing this right now." Cuz like. technic this is it. But even if there's. a criminal case pending, you cannot just. you have to get an order from the judge. that's like, "Yeah, you can get the. medical records or you have to get. consent from Louis G. Manion or whoever. the defendant may be, which neither of. those things has happened. So this is.

like you cannot access these files." Now. the prosecution come out and they say. actually this was Etna's erroneously. sent files. We asked member ID and the. time period they sent us privileged. information. Etna is like no no no no. Edna tells. CNN, "No, no, no, no, no. We gave what. we were asked for. That's all we're. saying." They're like, "That's it. That's all we're saying. We gave what we. were asked for." And then the.

prosecutors are also saying, "Hey, so. Edna [ __ ] up." And then guess who. [ __ ] up again? Luigi's defense team. because they emailed us back the files. So like they resent the prosecutors the. files. They were like, "Hey, I don't. know." They're just accusing them of. resending them the files. Now Luigi's. defense has now put in another response. This was in August, so like a month ago, right? And they're saying, "First of. all, you're so nonsensical." I mean, I I. will say that this letter is pretty. scathing. They're like, "You you guys. are so nonsensical. We responded to your.

email and you [ __ ] had the files. attached. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh, they just hit reply. >> We hit reply to be like, "What are you. doing?". >> Yeah. >> Why do you have this? We hit reply to be. like, "Hello.". >> Wow. >> And then they're like, "What do you mean. we have compounded the effect or like. the erroneous errors?" Because that's. basically what they said in the. prosecutor's response. So Luigi's. defense is like, "Um, hello." And then.

they're also saying, but you know what's. even crazier? First of all, let's They. were really crazy in this email or this. document. They're like, first of all, use common sense. You asked for his. member ID and the term, you get 120. pages back. You don't even think about. [ __ ] HIPPA. That's what they're. saying. And then the second thing that. they're saying is it's actually crazy. because nothing was scheduled for May. 23rd, 2025. So that subpoena that they made to Etna,

they're like, "We need this for this. court date, May 23rd, 2025." The defense. is like, "Nothing was scheduled that. day." So you made up a date to compel. them to give you this information by. said date. >> when that date there was nothing on that. date. That's all. >> So they lied. >> That's insane. >> Yeah. So I think the argument is going. to be that like technically I guess they. just needed a date like a deadline but.

the defense is arguing like state code. says that when you give a date for a. subpoena it's a designated like there is. usually a court hearing or like. something is happening on that date that. they need those records like you don't. just like subpoena someone and you just. say you know what let me just say two. weeks from now. >> Mhm. So that has been the main I mean. there are other arguments like the fact. that this is kind of this argument is. going on in Pennsylvania and it's going. on simultaneously across all of the.

different cases but he was not read his. Miranda rights immediately when they are. arguing that it seemed like he was. pretty much detained from the minute. that the Altuna Police Department. stepped into the McDonald's. They had. like seven to eight different officers. blocking his exit. Meanwhile, they're. telling him he's free to go. They also. searched his belongings without having. the proper search warrant. Now, the. Altuna Police Department, they are. arguing. And oh, this is interesting. Body cam footage. We don't have the body.

cam footage, but obviously the defense. has it because it's in discovery. And. they were staying in another motion that. was filed that the body cam footage. depicts Altuna Police Department going. through his backpack. And they're saying. that they did not have like the proper. search warrant for this. Like this is. protected in his Fourth Amendment. rights. Like you can't just search. people's stuff. Yeah. >> And at the point they point out that the. police officer who's going through his. belongings. >> notices and it seems like they're.

hinting at like, okay, the vibe that. they're hinting at is she's going. through his backpack. and it's like, [ __ ] I shouldn't be. going through his backpack. >> H. >> So then she says, I just got to make. sure there's not a bomb in here. Oh, she. says something along those lines. >> Wow. >> And the defense team is saying, "You. knew what you were doing when you said. that because if you genuinely thought. that there was a bomb, you would have. vacated the premises, the civilians, like you would have secured everything. You would have called in a bomb squad.".

Like, they're saying we already felt. that it was not a proper search, but the. fact that you even said that makes it. even more sus. Okay, that's like obviously not the. legal way of saying it, but I'm just. like informing happening. >> And then there's problems with the. terrorism charge. Like lots of back and. forth with the terrorism charge unless. >> it's like jury nullification. >> You want to explain what jury. nullification means? >> Yeah, jury nullification to put it.

simply because I do feel like um it's. very sensitive topic that is heavily. monitored these days. But jury. nullification is when the jury gets. together and to put it simply and. casually, they say, "Hey, you know, I know your brother knows he. did the damn thing, and it's a crime, but. >> like, >> but like we refuse to.". >> Reddit says, "This is one of the most. controversial and beautiful areas of. criminal law. I can't do your question.

justice with the response. Generally, you can't talk about it. >> What? Oh, yeah. I think Okay. You can't. talk about it as in I don't think it's. ever included in any of the court's. orders when they talk to the jury. Yes. So, that's why a lot of people in New. York are getting like jury. nullification. Educate yourself on jury. nullification billboards without even. putting Luigi's name on there because. they just want anyone in this. jurisdiction to understand jury. nullification and to see it as an.

option. Because when you get to the. courtroom, they're not going to say at. the very end, here are the jury. instructions. Here are your options. Oh, by the way, did you know about jury. nullification? It's just part probably. of the legal code of So, and then. another problem is with the Fed case, since we're talking about jury. nullification, is that Pam Bondi, the. attorney general, was appointed by um. Trump. Jay Clayton, the attorney for the. SCNY, he was also elected by Trump if. I'm not mistaken. So, it just seems like.

there's a lot of political connections. and then if you know anything about the. Agnifil family, they're very politically. active as well to be obviously on the. very opposite side of Trump. Karen Agnil. does segments on Midas Touch. It's a. network, a polit political network very. famously opposing Trump. So, there's. lots of like there's so many layers. >> Wow. >> Stuff going on in this one. But there is. um Oh, I got to find the part with the. body cam. Oh, okay. And then also the.

terrorism charges. The way that the. prosecutors are saying it's terrorism, the defense is saying strange. They're. saying that one of the basis of the. terrorism charge is the prosecutors are. arguing that it happened in the middle. of Manhattan, Midtown Manhattan. If you. look from the CCTV footage, there's a. woman merely a few feet away from where. Brian Thompson was standing. And so, it's grave risk to the human population. essentially. But what the defense is.

saying then any murder that happens on. any street of Manhattan should be a. terrorism charge. >> Yeah. >> But it's not. So why this one? And. they're also saying that um for the. Brian Thompson case because they're. saying that Brian Thompson having him be. killed in broad daylight is to incite. violence for his own like ideological. views and to try to get society and an. industry to behave in a certain way. through the threats of violence which is. terrorism.

Karen Magnif is just saying like when. did he ever say that? So, first of all, that manifesto that everyone's calling a. manifesto, Luigi's defense team is. saying the police are the ones that. called it a manifesto. It's not titled. manifesto. Luigi didn't say this is my. manifesto. And like technically there is. a definition for manifesto and it might. fit that def like Webster's definition. for it. But she's saying when he was. arrested he was not inciting violence by.

you guys releasing his manifesto it. instilled fear in people. Like you guys. are the one technically making people. have big emotional reactions. >> You guys you guys should be charged. >> Yeah. Like more or less that's what. she's saying, right? Okay. Okay. So, there was a journalist who released it. personally, right, >> on a blog Substack. I think it was a. Substack and it was. >> Kenstein. >> Yeah. >> Ken, >> but it was unconfirmed.

And so, a lot of people were saying, "Well, we don't really know if these are. his writings." And it was just kind of. up in the air. The police are like, "Yeah, it's his writings. Here's his. manifesto. We're going to count beans at. a bean conference." Like, all of that. jazz. And so Karen is saying like you. guys are the one that are publicly. releasing these things. >> and you guys are the one causing the. greater society to have an reaction. It's not my client that's doing it. It's. you guys that are doing it. >> Yeah. >> And also she's saying you shouldn't have. even been searching his backpack. So.

this is the backpack part which I. thought was very interesting. Oh, there's another very interesting. part. I don't know who's I mean it's. it's Karen writing these. Listen, not to. compare, but I was, you know, we were. reading so many different court. documents and letters from attorneys for. the Shawn Combmes case, and every time. they would write a letter, it was just. like, what? That's a crazy letter. These. like it's so. >> well written.

>> Not even just well written, like the. amount of passion that they have. >> Like the way that they're coming out. swinging at the prosecutors is very. intense. really. >> the um Jay Clayton was recused from. Luigi Manion's case. >> Why? Why was he. >> the attorney general or he's the. attorney US attorney. >> for SDNY? >> Yeah. >> Do you remember for Shawn Combmes it was. all of the women's names for the. prosecution and then always at the.

bottom. >> J Clay. >> Yeah. >> Like who where is he? >> Where is this man? Never saw him a day. in that courtroom. Yeah, >> cuz they always have to sign with like. the DA of the area or like the US. attorney of that area. >> and it's like you know all the ones. doing. >> like Marine Comey who is now suing. Yeah, she's suing because she Okay, you. want to give people some updates? >> Yes. An update that I was genuinely. perplexed about. Marine Comey was let go. from the SDNY and you guys know that.

Okay. Marine Comey was like the lead. prosecutor for the Shawn Combmes case. for SDNY for the Fed case and she was. listen like her dad is James Comey. former FBI director notorious enemy of. Trump I will say I don't care what you. say about her dad Marine Comey seeing. her in action like there was nothing. like it she is so intelligent she is so. quick on her feet I know people are like. dogging on her online because Shan. Combmes did not get the sentencing or.

the verdict that people wanted or the. mainly the verdict by that people wanted. but she is just I don't know she's whips. smart she's so intelligent and she was. let go from SDNY and apparently. according to her lawsuit she they didn't. give her a reason she said Jay Clayton. did not give her a reason and basically. told her it's from Washington it's out. of my hands. >> what. >> and so she's suing them for back pay. legal fees and she said I want my. [ __ ] job back too.

>> But Jay But now Jay is gone. >> Oh, no. Just reced from the from the. case. >> He's recused from the Luigi case. >> Wow. >> Is there a reason why he's recused, >> right? >> Oh, because of Is it because of the I. think it's the phone calls? >> Really? That's it? >> If I'm not mistaken. No. Oh, hold on. I think it's because we read so many. court documents for all these cases. >> and I am by no means I know nothing.

about law but just reading as like. someone who's reading court documents. for these cases just when certain people. just know how to write one they just. this is about the terrorism charge and. Karen is arguing that he's not inciting. violence he's not trying to change an. industry in fact Mr. Manion never stated. anything publicly, released anything. publicly, or expressed anything online. to suggest that this was his intention. Law enforcement, prosecutors, and the. mayor of New York City are solely.

responsible for the very fear they are. now attempting to attribute to Mr. Manion. >> This is talking about how they're trying. to attribute the NFL headquarters. incident to Luigi. Mr. Manion is no more. responsible for the actions of Mr. Tamura or any other alleged killer whose. actions followed his arrest than the. president. is responsible for the. alleged mishandling of classified. documents by those who served with him. before him or after him. >> Oh my god.

>> Gosh. >> Wait, India Nicholas's daughter is a. parillegal as well. So it could be her. writing this. >> It could be. >> So there is more about the terrorism. charges. Okay. So the defense is just. saying that the government for the. terrorism charges they have to say these. are the elements that require for it to. be terrorism. Right. >> Yeah. And so the first one was the. aggravating factors are substantial. planning and premeditation. because they're saying that he stalked. Brian Thompson for weeks and months. leading up to the murder, but I feel.

like that could apply to a lot of. different cases, but what do I know? Um, and then also grave risk of death to. additional persons because there was a. woman nearby. It was in the middle of. Manhattan. And. >> that's a that's a weird one. >> Yeah. And then three non-stutory. aggravating factors such as victim. impact, selection of sight for an act of. violence. The prosecutors were citing. the fact that he wanted to um uh kill. Brian Thompson allegedly at a bean. counting conference, right? And then. future dangerousness. So the defense,

they go all out fighting these different. aggravating factors. So, for one, they're saying that him attempting to. evade law enforcement and flee New York. City with his ghost gun is future. dangerousness. And they say, "What. relevance does that have to proving. future dangerousness?" Does the. government contend that any alleged. murderer who flees the scene of the. crime with the alleged murder weapon. presents a future future danger that it. warrants imposition of the death. penalty? If not, what facts make Mr.

Manion's alleged flight unique such that. he presents a future danger so great. that he deserves the death penalty. Then. the defense just goes in on the attorney. general Pam Bondi. And I just think, listen, I think there's so many layers. to this case, but the way that they go. after Pam Bondi is so fascinating. And I. just feel like there's already blood, like bad blood between them because. obviously, like I said, they're just. very opposing in terms of political.

views. But they they even put in Pam. Bondi's Instagram post cuz she made an. Instagram post calling for the death. penalty for Luigi Mani. And they say. that Pam Bondi the basis that she. believes there should be capital. punishment is one, her past history as a. capital crimes prosecutor. two that if. there ever was a death penalty case, this is one and three that she herself. has been threatened because of this case. and four that a reason for seeking the. death penalty is that the victim was a. CEO and five that Manion is guilty and.

six that Manion committed two statutory. aggravating factors and should be. executed. They say the stakes could not. be higher. The United States government. intends to kill Mr. Manion as a. political stunt. The attorney general. compounded this prejudice by appearing. on television on Sunday, April 6th, 2025, and stating that she has received. death threats for seeking the death. penalty. Right? I tried death penalty. cases throughout my career. If there was. ever a death case, this is one. This guy. is charged with hunting down a CEO, a.

father of two, a married man, hunting. him down and executing him. Yeah, I feel. like these young people have have lost. their way. I was receiving death threats. for seeking the death penalty on someone. who is charged with with an execution of. a CEO. This guy's charged with a violent. crime and we're going to seek the death. penalty whenever possible. >> So, they're saying like she has not. given their client presumption of. innocence and now she's making it worse.

by saying that I'm getting death threats. for saying that we need to seek the. death penalty. And then as for Pam Bondi. saying that the victim was a CEO and. that warrants that is one of the factors. of why there should be capital. punishment. The filing reads, "The. attorney general stated during her. television appearance that a reason she. ordered the death penalty sentence was. because the alleged victim was a CEO. Council is aware of no provision in the. death penalty statute or in the. Department of Justice's death penalty. protocol that allows for consideration.

of the social, economic, or professional. status of an alleged homicide victim in. determining whether to seek the death. penalty. The drama. The drama, right? The prosecutors are arguing this is like. the whole thing with the backpack. search, the fourth amendment rights at. the McDonald's, which I do feel like. fourth amendment rights are just like. the first rights that every single. attorney has to argue in any sort of. criminal case, which is like you weren't. supposed to search any of my belongings. Now, the number one problem is the.

prosecutors are saying that when the. Altuna police arrived, they already had. his fake ID. So, he had already given. his fake ID. So at that point. technically like they're allowed to. search his stuff, right? But this is the. defense. The fact that they believed. that Mr. Manion was the person wanted. for murder does not change the analysis. nor provide the necessary exigency to. overcome this fatal police error. First, the shooting happened 5 days earlier and. the police had no reason to believe that.

the alleged shooter was still armed. Second, even if the police had reason to. believe he may be armed, any exigency. disappeared after patrolman Deweiler. frisked Mr. Mr. Manion for weapons, moved the bag 6 ft away, and had armed. officers strategically placed between. Mr. Manion and the backpack. The. exigency was certainly removed once Mr. Manion was handcuffed and surrounded by. officers, which they continue on the. next page. They say, "While Patrolman. Waser claimed that she was searching the. backpack to make sure there was no bomb. inside, this excuse did not reflect any.

legitimate exigency. First, nothing. about the alleged shooting in New York. where law enforcement's interactions. with Mr. Manion in the McDonald's. provided a reasonable basis to believe. that there was a bomb in the backpack. Second, the patrol woman did not make. this claim until after she had already. been searching through the backpack and. after she recovered a loaded magazine. Tellingly, she stopped searching the. backpack at the McDonald's once she. recovered the loaded magazine. If one. were legitimately concerned about a. bomb, one would have either continued. searching right then and there or.

cleared the McDonald's and have called. in and waited for the bomb squad to. arrive before searching the bag. Neither. of which occurred. Certainly, one would. not have continued searching the bag in. a McDonald's filled with officers, employees, and customers or put the bag. in their car to transport the potential. bomb to the precinct. They're going off. I don't know if any of it's going to. work, but they're saying it all. This is. not the first time a prosecutor's office. has tried to fit the square peg of. murder into the round hole of terrorism.

>> Yeah. >> Damn. >> Oh, this is also interesting though. The. people's stated reason for not turning. over discovery and for at some unknown. future time seeking a protective order. is that Mr. Manion is somehow. responsible for quote harassment, backlash, and death threats to certain. people. So, they're saying there's no. evidence of that. But on December 9th, 2024, when he was arrested, among the. first words out of Mr. Manion's mouth. was an apology and a concern for the.

very McDonald's employee who they are. saying now is receiving threats. Quoting. from their notice, quote, I apologize. for the inconvenience of the day, followed by, "They aren't going to put. the cashier from McDonald's information. out there, are they? It wouldn't be good. for her. A lot of people will be upset I. was arrested.". >> Wow. This is the very opposite of. someone who is seeking to terrorize. anyone or wishing harm or violence to. anyone is what they're saying. Also, like there was a whole thing because. they found um notes in his socks.

>> What exactly happened there? >> Yeah, the defense um they put notes in. the socks. Well, like there was notes in. his socks. >> Who put it in there? >> The note um was written by the free. Luigi Reddit thread. >> But we don't put it in the socks. How. did they get into his socks? >> I don't know, but it was like a. heart-shaped pink letter. And it was. like a letter of support. I have no idea. how it got in their sock. >> And when was it in his sock? When he was. arrested. >> No, like when he had to change for a.

court hearing. >> Someone slipped it into his sock. >> Yeah. Or like it could have been like an. honest mistake. >> It's. >> So this is the part where she's saying. like the journal that they're calling. his manifesto. We have never been. provided copies. They had actors playing. Luigi on television. It doesn't sound. anything like him anyway. So, um, they're talking about the HBO thing. This week on HBO in a documentary, I see. the chief of detectives and the New York.

City mayor, full hair and makeup done, sitting down and giving an interview for. television and talking about the. evidence in Luigi's case, talking about. police paperwork that we don't have, talking about forensics that we have not. yet received. I guess we have now today, but I didn't when I was sitting there. learning about the case, hearing an. actor play Luigi, reading from a journal. that they say is Luigi's, and we have. yet to receive it from the prosecution.

>> Yeah, cuz the New York City mayor and. NYPD, they sat down with HBO and she was. like, Eric Adams be putting going. through hair and makeup. >> Oh, >> yes. I've seen that. Yeah, >> this guy showed up last time. >> Yes. They say he's a conservative. activist. So I Is this just like the. calm before the storm? Because everyone. on our team that's there right now at. the courthouse at team night is like 12. hours. They're saying it's fine. It's.

chill. >> My name is Jar Valan. People don't. really understand what goes on unless. you have like a sensational enough trial. that it gets televised or it gets. meticulously documented, but that's not. the case for the most part. I have an. obsession with trying to document trials. meticulously. >> I like mango. >> Amazing. What's your name again? >> Abil. It's like April but in Spanish.

Tomorrow we have death penalty action. coming and they just announced their. like collaboration with Luigi's bookshop. which is basically instead of buying on. Amazon you can buy on bookshop.org and. part of the proceeds go to his um cases. My name is Lena. I'm from Los Angeles. and this is a book I just brought to. read in line called health communism. >> The shooting death of United Healthcare. CEO Brian Thompson. Alice Gator covers. where she'll be at tomorrow's hearing.

Alice, what are you hearing about what. we can expect? So, there's a. Okay, so we're in front of the. courthouse. The press line is across the. street. You have all of the news. stations. I feel like I didn't vlog at. all during the Shanomes case because we. weren't allowed to even bring our phones. into the courtroom. You have to check. them so I would never even bring it. But.

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legal right. For justice, we will fight. To process is a legal right. We must. fight. >> Healthcare is a human right. >> Good queen. We must fight. >> Healthcare is a human right. >> Good queen. We must fight. >> Healthcare is a human right. >> Good. We must fight. >> Healthcare is a human right. >> Good. We must fight. my human rights. >> What do we want? >> Free. >> When do we want it? >> Now. >> What do we want? >> Free.

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organizing a lot of the protest outside. Like, they're mainly focused on the. goals of reforming healthcare. These are. activists who spend really any ounce of. free time that they have outside of. full-time jobs to try and make a change. so that you and I can probably live in a. better world. And I think right now is a. very critical time to join them, support. them, see how we can be helpful. But. before even going to the hearing, we. spoke with a lot of different people. from lots of different organizations who. were involved in trying to spread. messages and organizing protests. And. there have been lots of conversations.

because it doesn't really take a very. astute person to realize that mainstream. media coverage on this case has been. very interesting. And I thought I. thought maybe I live in a bubble because. I don't know if it's I'm just. chronically online and I'm just always. on TikTok and I'm like, well, I've seen. good coverage about this case. I I mean, more often than not, mainstream media. has bizarre coverage about the case or. they're maybe focus on the wrong things, but I have seen lots of coverage on the. case. I did not realize how hostile it.

was going to be until we got to the. hearing. And I don't even think when I. got out of the hearing I could even. process the thoughts correctly. So, I'm. just going to describe to you some of. the parts that I've noticed that really. stuck out to me. The press line and the. public line outside of the courthouse. Unlike previous trial that we've been. to, it was divided already into two. separate lines. And you could. immediately tell that it was two. separate lines. I mean, lots of people. on the public side were dressed in. organized t-shirts. Like, it seemed like.

everybody was on the same page. It was. really well organized. On the press. side, everybody was dressed more like. members of the press would normally. dress. And for the hearing, they allowed. a good chunk of the press in. The. courtroom was much larger than the. federal courtrooms that I've seen. So. instead of just like a few rows of. press, there were I think closer to 10. rows of press. >> Oh wow. >> And I maybe only spoke to a handful of. independent reporters there. Almost. everyone in the rows of I want to say.

like if I had to take a guesstimate and. don't hold me to this, I want to say at. least eight to nine press pews were just. legacy media. >> Mhm. >> And they were on the reserve list. So. this is in New York State. You get on. this reserve list and most of it is. legacy media. And I know this because I. was we stood in line for 48 hours. Well, not we physically but like the Rotten. Mango team. Like we had organized this. so like people we could interchange and. it was a mess. But we were there for 48. hours before the hearing so that we. could secure the first few spots because.

those are always like the best time to. get in and see what's going on. They. have a reserve list. So before anybody. who waits first come first serve, they. will go through the reserve list. So if. a reporter from a legacy media who's on. that reserve list shows up 5 minutes. before the hearing, they get to cut the. line. >> Mhm. >> And they get priority. They have a whole. list and they check. So, I'm in the like. beginning of the line. So, every time. someone comes up, that list is gone. through and they're like, "Okay, what.

media are you with?" And it was just all. legacy media. I mean, I saw a lot of. people that I remember from the last. trial and lots of friendly faces, lots. of reporters that I really enjoy. spending time with and I respect and. they're such kind people and they're. compassionate and they're here to do a. job, but also some really insane people. I will say even that reserve list was a. little strange. It was a little strange. because if you know anything about the. Luigi Manion case or the People v Luigi. Manion case because he has three.

different pending trials. There has been. a very vocal complaint by people of. wanting independent journalists to have. access. And I'm not saying I'm an. independent journalist. I I'm literally. just a girl online. So just people who. are not part of Legacy Media who have to. go with certain messages anytime they. report on the news or like filter. through certain checkpoints. A lot of. people wanted independent journalists in. there and for them to have this very. long lengthy reserve list of legacy. media that are allowed priority I.

thought was very interesting especially. in regards to this specific case. But. regardless of press were allowed in. which is always a good sign. Only two. rows of public were allowed in and from. the moment that we got to the courthouse. the morning to get in there was a clash. between the press and the public. It. felt very strange. There was heavy, heavy NYPD presence. There were two cops. walking past me and I guess they were. trying to understand why the public line. was so long and one of the cops just.

turns to the other and says, "He's a. good-looking guy." And they just like. walk away. So, which is fair, but that's. like the most normal comment of the day. So, I'm standing in line with a lot of. members of the press and I felt like I. felt confused. So, the Rotten Mango team. and I were thinking about it and we were. like, "This is very strange. So most of. the press, I think they handled. themselves very professionally and they. were just like normal people doing their. jobs and they were incredible reporters. there, incredible journalists there and. like we were lucky to be in their. presence. But at the same time there.

were certain members of the press where. it just felt like they showed a lot more. grace to the defendant Shan Combmes than. the defendant Luigi Manion. And I feel. like across the board it should be like. the same level most of the time, right? And maybe it has to do with the fact. that Luigi Manion is charged with murder. and Shan Combmes was charged with. trafficking and RICO charges and those. he was acquitted of. But at the time. when that trial was happening in real. time, we did not know that he was going.

to be acquitted. There was video. evidence of him, you know, harming. Cassie in the hallways. There was. domestic violence that was caught on. CCTV camera. And so there were all of. these different elements just as the. Meion case. There's all these different. elements. But it was interesting to see. how people showed a lot more grace and. benefit of the doubt and presumption of. innocence for Shawn Combmes than they. did for Luigi Manion, which I thought. was interesting because there's actually. a lot more hard concrete evidence.

against Shawn Combmes at the time. I. mean, that CCTV video was everywhere of. him committing a violent act with his. face in full view. Whereas, you know, the Luigi Manion CCTV outside the Hilton. Hotel, some people argue you can't. really see his face. So, that will all. be discussed in the trial. That's what. people are saying. So, I thought it was. very interesting that they showed a lot. more grace to Shawn Combmes. And then. when they get here for the Luigi case, there was just a lot of crazy words, a. lot of crazy comments just like being.

thrown about, which was fascinating. I. think one interesting thought that I had. was we were talking to organizers of the. protest before we even got to the. hearing. The way that they are so. committed to trying to change different. policies in the United States to make. sure that everyone has access to health. care and quite literally just like save. people's lives. That's all they talk. about. That's their message. I don't. know how they even stay so resilient.

amongst everything that's going on. But. then the way that they get there and all. the mainstream media reporters are like, "Hey, get the girl that says she's. dating AI Luigi and we're just going to. put her on every platform." I will say. some media have been better at reporting. about the protest and how people don't. want capital punishment, how people want. to reform healthcare, but the way like. the influx of media was like these. people waited 30 hours to see Luigi. Manion. Aren't they crazy? And I was.

just thinking it's also crazy because a. lot of members of the press wait over 24. hours to get into high-profile cases. >> Yeah. >> So, how are we different? It just felt. weird to say they're fan girls, but. we're doing our job. It just was so. strange. And yes, a lot of the people in. the public line, they did wait 30 hours. And some of them had t-shirts that had. Luigi's face on them or they like they. had Luigi's Pizzeria t-shirts. And like.

while I do think it's kind of I don't. know, some people might say. inappropriate, I just thought that it. was more in tune with maybe a younger. person's like it just felt very Jenzy. humor. A lot of the reporters were just. not running with it. They were actively. out loud vocally making fun of the. people in public and then they would. walk over and try to interview the. people in public line and then they. would walk back and say, "I don't know. why they don't want to talk to me." And. I'm like, "Oh, um, I could probably list.

you like five reasons just in the past 2. minutes of things you've said." Like, it. just it was very confusing. And I also. thought it just felt very hypocritical. And I was kind of shocked by this once. we got to the second line. So that's. like the main line outside the. courthouse. Then we get funneled in. We. had to wait in the very cramped hallway. So one side was reserved for the press. Everybody's like cramped to one side. And then the other side is the very. short line for public access. They let. in even fewer people from the public. side. And I was just standing there and.

I'm just like I'm kind of eavesdropping. And I hear theos, the Luigi's defense. team. They walk in. The elevator's kind. of in front of us. We can't really see. them. They walk into the courtroom, and. then we're going to be led into the. courtroom later. So, it's going to be. the prosecutors walk in, the defense. team walk in, press walk in, public. walk-in, and then Luigi will be escorted. in once the hallways are completely. cleared of everyone except for the press. pit. The press pit is where there's like. a little barricade, rope barricade, and.

the press cameras are set up. Everybody's live streaming. Like, those. are all the shots that you saw. And we. actually had someone we had someone from. the Rotten Mango team in the press pit. who also took a video. But those are the. press pits. Everyone that's not in there. gets cleared out of the hallway. Luigi. Manion gets walked into the courtroom. and then the judge comes in. So that's. kind of the order of things. The defense. team, they walk out of the elevator bay. and now they're in the hallway walking. towards the courtroom away from us. I. mean, you're just waiting in the hallway. for like an hour trying to get into the.

courtroom. Of course, when the defense. team walks in, you want to get a good. look. And these are high-profile defense. attorneys. These are people that have. been in the public eye. I think it's. interesting to even watch them in their. element. They're very captivating to. watch. And so I'm kind of like looking. and I hear a reporter from Legacy Media. look over at the girls in public. And it. was like predominantly I think it was. all girls and she goes, "Look at them. Look at them craning their necks to get. a view." And I was like, "I mean I'm. also craning my neck to get a view.".

Like that seems like a very normal thing. to do in this instance. Like we have. nothing to do right now. We're just. waiting to get in the courtroom and. these are high-profile defense attorney. Yeah. I I think everyone wants to see. them. >> Yeah. >> So, it's just very strange. And then. there was I overheard another discussion. of people talking about, "Doesn't it. smell like weed?" I hear one reporter. being like, "Doesn't it smell like. weed?" And I remember being like, "Do I. have sinus problems?" I don't smell. weed. I smelt weed outside the. courthouse because it's the streets of.

New York City. You smell weed. everywhere. But inside the courthouse, I. smelt zero weed. And the reporter next. to them goes, "It reeks of weed. It like. reeks of marijuana." And they're like, "Uh, that could be a headline." And I. >> that could be a headline. What headline? >> Yeah, probably Luigi Manion supporters. wait 30 hours, wreak of weed. And I'm. just like again, what is happening right. now? Like the public have been nothing. but so chill. And actually, they're like.

here, yes, to support the defendant. And. you can disagree with that all you want. Like totally, you can absolutely. objectively say that's against my. morals. That's everyone's own opinion. Okay. But like it it was weird. It's. like that's not what they're doing. That's not even what's happening. I'm. seeing this with my own two eyes. That's. not what's happening. I'm confused. I'm. sniffing it with my own two nostrils. That's not what's what's happening at. all. >> And then later, even when we left the. courthouse, a lot of the coverage just.

made it seem like a lot of these people. are crazy. I will say maybe mainstream. media was a little bit better this time. around, which is really good and maybe. hopeful for the trial, but they were. showing some people protesting for. healthcare, but a lot of it still was on. girls waited 30 hours. Girls waited 30. hours. And I was like, I don't know. These girlies look like they have a. cause. like these girlies look like. they're here for a mission. And like you. could disagree, you could agree, but it. wasn't. >> it just did not align with what I. witnessed. >> Yeah, >> it did not align at all with what I.

witnessed. Even inside the courthouse, because this is state court, you are. allowed to have your electronics as. members of the press. So, you can bring. in your phone. Uh federal court, you can. not even bring in your phone. You can. bring in your phone. You can actually. work on your laptop in the press pews. Um if you're a member of the press and. you have your press badge on, you cannot. record. You cannot film. You cannot like. be on the phone. You actually can't have. your phone out. Like you can have it in. your bag. You can only have your laptop. out. And I think it's because the laptop. usually the camera is just towards you, right? >> And so that's the whole rules. I feel.

like there were phones going off in the. press pews. Meanwhile, the public there. was nothing. >> They did not like nothing happened. No. phones are going off. Everybody was. showing the most decorum in a courtroom. And even when the officer first walks. in, before Luigi walks in, he's like, "No outburst." And he's like mainly. talking to the public side. >> Mhm. >> And I'm like, I don't even think the no. one wants to have an outburst. Like they. seem like they're they seem like they're.

taking it serious than most of the press. pews. >> So I'm like, okay, I don't know. Maybe. the last one there were outbursts. I. don't know. But it just seems like. >> they don't look like they're about to. have an outburst. And so they're just. like on their best behavior. And I. thought it was kind of unfair that they. get labeled as like crazy girls who wait. 30 hours for Luigi. And it's like, okay, well, the press also wait like 30 hours. to get into high-profile cases. And like. they will fight to the death to like cut.

each other in line to get into these. high-profile cases. So like technically. we're all the same people. Like it's. fine. Like we don't have to make fun of. each other. Everyone's just here to. either do their job or be here for a. reason that maybe you don't understand. But that's fine. like you don't have to. be so crazy about it. And I will say. like the public was really guarded with. the press and I totally get it. Like I. totally get why it people. >> you say like literally nobody want wants.

to talk to the press openly. >> Yeah. And we were actually really lucky. cuz we were like going in throughout the. day. Um, even the day previously before. the hearing and during the night like we. had members going in and out of the like. not the courthouse but from the line and. we were talking to people and we told. them that we were with Rotten Mango and. they seemed a little more open to talk. but like I can totally see why a lot of. people felt guarded. >> and it just and I also noticed what was.

interesting is a lot of legacy media. they're looking for the people in public. that are dressed the craziest. >> and those are the people that they want. to talk to. They don't want to talk to. the protesters with very legitimate. signs. I thought the focus of every. piece was so weird. >> There was another reporter who was. sitting next to me who was working on. his article before the hearing started. and it was just talking about how there. was there was one person outside the. courthouse and I think they had a sign.

uh I think I took a picture of it that. said something along the lines of, you. know, protect Luigi G. Manion before. protecting parasites. Something to do. with the word parasites. >> And when you have protest signs, they're. supposed to be highly emotionally. charged. That's kind of the purpose of. it. And they were just like really. focused on the word parasite in. connection with the victim, Brian. Thompson. So, it seemed like that was.

their whole piece of how these. protesters are calling a murder victim a. parasite. And like I do understand how. that can be shocking, >> right? But I think it's a small it's. like if you were to look at a giant. puzzle and then just only focus on one. piece when it's like I do think that. maybe that one piece is not a great. piece. We don't know, right? It's really. subjective. But when you look at the. whole puzzle, there's like a lot more. going on. But it felt like that was the. sole focus. So it seemed like everybody.

was hyperfocused on something and it. just felt very strange to witness it. firsthand in real time where I was just. so confused. A lot of the protesters. were also giving out these stickers. They were giving out stickers. They were. giving out pamphlets. And I think the. stickers are like a thing people do at. protests. It's a sticker. Like enjoy. your sticker. If you don't want a. sticker, it's not a big deal. But a lot. of the reporters are like making a big. deal about the fact that they have.

stickers. And I'm like, do you also know. that they have pamphlets that you can. also get? So, it just seemed like they. were focused on one thing and like. hyperfocused on only one thing. It got. to the point where I don't even think. some members of the press I could even. have conversations with about this case. because it's like I just feel like it's. weird. Like this is so passionate of. like so firmly one when you're. technically supposed to go in.

>> Yeah. >> You're a reporter. >> You're just reporting what what what's. going on rather than having your own. little. >> It's like I mean you go in there and. like Yeah. I will admit there were there. was a girl dressed up as Luigi and she. was hitting the poses. Okay. She had an. LED backpack on. She came in early. You. know, they were like she was hitting the. poses and it's like is that the best. thing to do? I don't know. I don't know. Right. And it's it's fine to just see. everything happening and then say these. are all the things that happened. But it.

seemed like they were very hyperfocused. on one very interesting story line that. they kept going with. But regardless, we're inside of the courtroom and it's a. big courtroom. I was very nervous. because um lots of people had lots of. things to say about this judge and just. from the transcripts I read about this. judge, he seemed like a no business. judge. And we were just all waiting for. Luigi Manion to be walked in. And it was. um it was like an oddly high tense. moment. And the press pews, all of us. were craning our necks to get a view of.

Luigi Manion, right? And so everybody's. craning their necks cuz that's what you. do. And the doors would open and you. actually hear his shackles before you. see him. And I think that was a very. interesting moment because it's like. dead silent in the courtroom and you. just hear his shackles. >> Wow. >> And then he turns the corner, walks into. the courtroom, and I'm not really sure. what I was expecting. I don't really. think I was expecting anything to be. honest. I didn't really give it much.

thought, but I have seen obviously all. the videos of him being escorted into. courtrooms and like the footage of him. in courtrooms. And this time he was. dressed in like a beige sand colored. prison uniform and he had shackles. around he had the handcuffs that were. tied to his waist and you could hear the. shackles on his ankles. And when he. walked in I don't know if they just used. cuz we're all sitting down. I don't know. if they just picked the shortest court. police officers but he was tall. He was.

much taller. And I know people are going. to ask, and I don't think it has much to. do with the defendant's looks or. anything, but just because people are. going to ask, I'm going to answer the. questions before they're asked a million. times in the comments. He was much. taller than I expected. Like very tall. to the point where I was like, I want to. ask Mark Agnif how tall he is because he. was like, even when he was standing next. to the attorneys, he was very tall. So. I'm like, okay, he's much taller than I. expected. But one thing was interesting. was and and okay, this was my very.

beloved researcher who was sitting next. to me and she said afterwards if I'm. going to be fully honest she's like I. thought going into it Luigi has almost. become this persona like this person. like this figure and so she thought. going in there would be some element of. underwhelmingness. remember she was like saying, you know, cuz you see people talking about him and. you see these videos and you're like, "Okay, I'm going to go in and you're. just going to realize he's just another. person and like maybe there's it's even.

underwhelming because you people have. these big ideas and visions of what. people look like in person." Like a lot. of people said Sean Combmes is going to. look very aura. He's going to have this. insane aura like this big bigger than. life personality and then he just looks. kind of like an old man. >> He looks very intense but still. ultimately kind of like an old man. And. so she thought it was going to be like. that, >> but she said that he is very tall. >> He's I mean he is very built. He's very. buff. It seems like he got a lot more.

built than his last court appearance, but he has a very strong energy to him. >> Like his posture is impeccable. >> Yeah, I think his posture is. >> Yes. But it's also the way he carried. himself and it was interesting. If. anything, I don't think he really looked. at any of the pews. If anything, he. might have. I don't think, but he might. have looked at the public pews. But for. the press pews, he was very reserved. Did not look. He just looked ahead, went.

straight, sat down, and there were three. police officers surrounding him on the. back. So, nobody could really even see. him throughout the hearing. And this is. the hearing where they dropped the. terrorism charges. The judge dropped the. terrorism charges in New York State. These are the charges along with the. federal prosecutors seeking capital. punishment that people had the biggest. problem with because it's one thing to. either agree or disagree with Luigi. Manion. It's another thing to feel like.

he's not getting fair treatment in the. law. >> because a lot of like I said a lot of. mass killers don't get terrorism. charges. So it didn't make sense. It. almost felt like people were. prioritizing a corporate CEO and so. there was a lot of discourse about that. Those charges got dropped. So ultimately. the most severe case that he is facing. in New York state court is secondderee. murder which is like 15 to 25 years but. he still has like all those weapons.

charges. And I don't know if I mean it's. a big win but he's still facing capital. punishment in his federal case. >> Yeah. which is, >> you know, which is everything that he's. fighting for, right? >> I think the state cases, they're very. important, but that federal case is. probably the most important. And so the. terrorism charges being dropped here is. a big win, but I I I saw some people. online made it seem like he's going to. get off. I don't think that's the case. I I think he has a very long uphill.

battle ahead of him, especially with the. federal case. But the terrorism charges. were dropped. the energy in the. courtroom because the press were allowed. to have their laptops. It was like a. moment of pause. >> and then just like everyone's typing. away like live tweeting everything and. then the public they're stoic. They are. on their best behavior. They're like. they got this on lock down. They're like. we are not giving you a reason to write. an article about us, okay? Even though. you guys already are writing articles.

about us, we're going to No, it was. crazy. like it was on lockdown. But then. my researcher outside who was recording. all of the protests outside, she was. texting and she was like, "Everyone's. cheering.". >> She's like texting into the group chat. She's like, "Everybody's cheering that. the terrorism charges are dropped." So, it's very different energies inside the. courthouse, outside the courtroom. It. was just fascinating. And then um there. were brief conversations about just. dismissing the charges. There were brief.

conversations about the HIPPA. violations, but none of that gets. resolved. And like I know there's this. one picture of Luigi Manion looking. like, "What the hell is going on?" And. people are like, "What did he hear to. make him have that look?". >> I think because we can't see very. clearly. I think it was the hippo. violation. >> That was not dropped. >> Yes. Like that was not even covered and. settled. And I also think it's like the. prosecutors being like, "No, we're not. going to drop the charges. Like we're. going to go." And then he gets walked. out. I did notice something as he's. walking out. He did kind of raise his.

eyebrows at the press pews like once. Like it was just like one like one. eyebrow raise and it was just like given. like. right about that [ __ ] but like in like. a it almost felt not that I agree. I. don't even think that's what he's doing. You know, I misread everything in life. I don't think that's what he's doing. But if that is what he's doing, it felt. almost justified because of everything I. had sat through and listened to all. morning of the way that people were.

talking about this case and the way. people were talking about even the. public. >> I mean, people had way more hatefilled. things to say about this public section. than they did about people who showed up. to support Shawn Combmes, like fans of. Shawn Combmes. And I thought that was. interesting because with the Combmes. case, everybody saw that CCTV video and. the presumption would be if you still. show up to support him without having a. personal connection, the underlying.

assumption would be you just really like. his music. But with Luigi's case, it's. like the presumption would be maybe. you're upset about healthcare in. America. Maybe like it's just like a. little bit more complex, but it was the. way that they treated the people showing. up for Luigi Manion as like the most. simple-minded little girly pups. And I. was like, I mean, that could be the. case, but also you don't know that's the. case. And like technically your job as a. reporter is to either find out if that's. the case. >> or do something about it. Like you can't.

just like assume that's the case. It was. just it was just weird. It was weird. And that was not the majority of. reporters. I think 99.9% of them are. incredibly. just talented people that I can only. aspire to have even an ounce of their. abilities. But, >> you know, that's weird cuz, you know, we. literally cover cases that people were. they're fans of a killer because they. look certain ways. >> and usually those are still minorities.

Like people do not show up to support. someone because they look certain ways. >> No. Like, >> so this is if that's the main message, then we're not getting the real story. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> And that was a lot of the main message. that people saw. Um, I will say Tik Tok. was way better about it. Tik Tok, there. was a lot of just like memes that. occurred afterwards. There were. conversations of why he wasn't wearing. court approved clothing like he had been. in the previous hearings.

Some people have conspiracies that not. conspiracies but theories and. speculations that his defense attorneys. had brought this brown paper bag and. they had brought clothes for him but. because he had gotten a lot more built. over the course of the past few months. he was no longer able to fit in the. court approved clothing. So that was one. theory. Another theory was with. everything happening in the US and all. of the high-profile cases they were just. on extra lockdown and they would not. allow him to be in court approved. clothing. And then there is another. theory that it's because of sock gate.

You know, those little heart messages. that were in his socks. >> So, it was kind of a mixture of those. It's unclear. They didn't really go over. it during the hearing. So, I'm not. entirely sure, but he was in his prison. uniform. >> And those uniforms are super viral in. Chinese social media now. >> Yes. So, Chinese nizens um they actually. I was actually intrigued because um and. I think it has to do with the country. obviously. A lot of the people that. support Luigi Manion in the United.

States are supporting Luigi Manion. because of healthc care reform because. this affects us on our daily lives and. our family members who all live in the. United States and have healthcare in the. United States. Chinese nizens, they're. like, "Hey, we got our own healthcare. We don't care about your health care. system. We call him Lulu." So that's his. nickname in China. And a lot of people. say that color of the prison uniform is. the color of the season now. And so a. lot of designers in China are now. incorporating the sand colored uniform. to like all of their looks. And there's.

just like a lot of internet comments. that are doing internet things. There is. a Tik Tok going around of a reporter. talking about the case and all of the. fan girls and um POP NYC they have these. LED trucks that drive around the. courthouse during the hearing. Like I. would say they they changed the screens. and most of it is talking about. healthcare, how to get informed, how to. get involved, how to try to make a. difference. And then some of them just. have like Luigi's face on there while.

they're like spreading facts about how. to make a difference and like how to. assist in these protests. And one of. them is him like kind of side eyeing and. that truck is just driving by the. reporter as she's actively talking about. him and people are like a drive by mug. is insane. And again, like these are. people who do take cases seriously, but. at the same time, it's just like Gen Z. humor. And I feel like Legacy Media has. not caught on to that because even the. Reddit comments, like Legacy Media would. have a heart attack and all the Reddit. comments are like, "Not a bad angle.

>> There's not a single bad angle of this. man, which is crazy. That's what people. are saying. I don't know." Okay, there. are other people commenting that they. need to put taller guards with him. because putting all these short guards. with him are not doing the prosecutors. any favors. People are commenting that. Yeah, people are commenting, "I miss my. husband." Like, there's a lot of. interesting comments. Okay. And I think. a lot of these people take cases in the.

United States very seriously. They take. healthc care conversations very. seriously. >> I saw someone in the Chinese platform. There's a shot of him uh someone. flashlight it so it's like super. dramatic with his shadow casting on the. wall and people are like damn even his. shadow looks good. >> Yeah. Like people are making jokes. Does. that mean that they don't take anything. seriously? No. I think it's just like. >> I mean it's the internet. >> It's the internet. Like what can we do. about it? There's nothing we can do. about it. He's in the courtroom for like.

10 15 minutes and then he is escorted. back out. I think there was a moment um. from what I saw online of people who. were in the public pews, they said that. it seemed like he was trying to look at. the people in public briefly, but it. seemed like the the court officer pulled. on him. >> And then there was a moment where like I. don't know, I don't think it looked like. it hurt, but they were saying like it. almost looked like he rolled his eyes, but it was not because he's like rolling.

his eyes at the public, but it was like. there was like a yank and pull situ. I. couldn't see from my angle, but that. would make a lot of sense because. >> these court officers were genuinely. acting like this is Hannibal Lectar. Watch out. And I was like, I mean, yes, there are very serious charges on the. indictment, but like this is crazy. energy. This is a lot of energy right. now. Like, it was a lot. It was intense. Like, I've never seen that many court. officers on one floor at once. Yeah. And.

another thing that was very interesting. was we had a team member that was in the. press pit. So she is trying to take. photos in the hallway. So she was taking. a photo and video of Luigi walking down. the hallway into the courtroom. We were. in the courtroom, right? >> And she was saying one thing that was so. fascinating and she's like, I don't know. if it depicts in the videos. I'm sure it. does. You know, she's telling us I'm. sure it does, but you know, defense, you. guys saw them walk in. And we're like, yeah. And she's like, "You could barely.

see them." Like, I couldn't even get. Karen on camera cuz she's walking so. fast. Like they're just like, "Boom, in. and out, in and out." I'm like, "Hold. on. Can you walk a little slower?". >> And then Luigi Manion, they're just like. dragging him. Okay. So, like same thing. It's like happening so quick, so quick. And she said, "I don't know what the. prosecutors are doing.". >> But when they were walking down the. hallway, she said it was like like. people joke about the Met Gala online. And she was like, "I thought it was a. joke, but they're like shaking hands. with every court officer that's like.

guarding the hallway from Hannibal. Lectar. They're just like the slowest. walk.". >> It's like slow motion football team. headed onto the court field, I don't. know, whatever. And she thought it was. the weirdest thing ever. >> And she was like, I also didn't like. want to get so much video of them. because nobody even knows them and. nobody cares. So she was like it just. like was so long for what? Like she was. saying it was not normal. >> So that's why a lot of people are saying.

again, yeah, maybe these prosecutors are. all fighting to get the first bite at. Luigi Manion. And again, regardless of. if you agree or disagree with what he is. accused and has allegedly done, it's, you know, when the justice system is. unfair to one person, that one person. could be you the next day. That one. person could be a loved one the next. day. So, they're just saying like. regardless of how you feel, if it's. unfair, it's unfair and that's not how. it should work. I will say even when the. prosecutors walked into the courtroom,

>> Mhm. >> I was like, why why are all of y'all. here? Okay, so first of all, it's a. hearing. It's a hearing. And uh only two. prosecutors were in like the bullpen, >> I think. Okay, maybe two or three. They. were in the bullpen and one of them had. their phone horizontal before Luigi came. in and I was like, is he watching a live. stream right now? I don't know. I don't. know. It just kind of was the vibe. It. was the vibe, but I don't know. My eyes. are not super laser, you know, 40 eyesight. I couldn't see,

but it was horizontal, which was weird. Like, are you watching a video right. now? What's happening? What video could. you possibly be watching right before a. hearing that's more pertinent than the. hearing unless it be a live stream, right? And so, I thought that was very. interesting cuz he was just like this. And another thing that was odd is, and I. know I keep referencing this trial, and. it's like my recent experience. obviously, and hopefully as I get more. experience, I can reference other. trials, but in the federal case, which. are usually more high-profile cases, like the Shan's case, you had all the.

prosecutors, like six of them, and they. would get they all sit in the bullpen. So, they're all working on this case. They're like the prosecutors on this. case. So, there were only two for. Luigi's New York State hearing, but a. whole row of them filled up on the very. first row on the prosecution side. >> So, they're not participating. And I'm. sure they're working on this case heavy, but it was like, I don't know if all of. you guys needed to show up like full row. deep because even for the federal case, there are other prosecutors who are.

working on the case that are not part of. the six. Mhm. >> And those prosecutors will show up like. remember how I was saying they're like. two rows ahead of the press pews. >> and really they only show up on really. big days of the trial and that's the. trial. >> Oh, you're observing. >> Yeah. Like they show up huge witness. testimonies. They show up on big cross-. examination days. Like they're not there. most of the time because they're working. on the case probably, right? but a full. row and I they walked in like like they.

were on an episode of Suits. >> and I was like looking at the defense. attorneys and I was like it just was a. different energy. Also, I did overhear. Karen Agnif. Um, listen, Mark Agnif, I. know people have thoughts about him. obviously because he does represent a. lot of interesting people, including um. Keith Reeri, like lots of interesting. clients previously. Karen Agnif worked. primarily as a prosecutor for a very. long time before becoming a defense. attorney. She is a very fascinating.

person. Like her aura is also crazy. crazy. Okay, like I said, Mark has like. a teddy bear aura, which he really let. his wife do everything on this case. Like she is lead lead counsel and she. was standing there and they like to. observe the courtroom before Luigi. Manion comes in. And I guess someone had. whispered to her, "Are you nervous?". Because the first thing I can distinctly. hear her say is, "I'm not nervous. Why. would I be?" And it was like it was not.

like a why would I be? Like it was just. >> it was just like pure confidence. like I. have nothing to be concerned about. It. was giving like there is nothing for me. to be nervous about. >> Not like me, but like our side of the. case to be nervous about, which I. thought was very interesting. And so it. was just a very different aura from the. prosecutors coming in like a row and a. half deep doing a very long walk down. the hallway. >> And that's interesting. >> Potentially watching the live stream.

after. >> Mhm. And like as someone who's trying to. get on that reserve list, should I be. saying this? Probably not. But here we. are. So I it was a crazy hectic day. And. so updates on this case. Terrorism. charges have been dropped. Um, there was. a lot of hope and I think the defense. attorneys are pushing for the state, New. York State case to be dropped entirely. because I mean, oh wow, >> seconddegree murder charges, it's like.

come on, he's facing capital punishment. in the federal court. Like, you want to. spend all that taxpayer money to be. doing all of this right now. >> and clearly lots of prosecutors are. working on this case. >> and there's so many cases in New York. and I think this is where people can be. mad collectively. Like again, you can. hate Luigi Manion, you can love Luigi. Manion, who cares? But it's the fact. that you're using taxpayer money to go. so hard on this case and there are so. many unsolved cases in New York. There. are so many families like waiting for.

answers in New York and you're like, "No, let me pour so much more resources. on this case that even the federal court. is also trying simultaneously." It just. feels like. >> Yeah, the Fed's already doing this. Like, why are we doing this double. triple times? >> Yeah. It's like and again on taxpayer. money when you can be focused on other. cases or is it the fact that you don't. care and you just want a high-profile. case under your belt because if that's. the case you're not for the people are. you? So that's been like a huge thing. Um they just want the case dropped in.

New York State cuz they're like it's not. like he's going to go free. Like he's. facing capital punishment. Like come on, right? I don't think that's going to. happen. The prosecutors have already. stated um at the hearing and later to. media like they're going to still pursue. seconddegree murder. >> Wow. >> As well as the weapons charges. And that. the next hearing for them will be. December 1st. The federal hearing is. December 4th and probably sometime. December. We're finally hopefully going. to figure out which case starts first,

which case proceeds first and um where. that's going to go from there. I do know. that he has a hearing in November in. Pennsylvania, which like I said, there. was like that whole argument of can he. come in person. The feds are like. absolutely not. It's been a back and. forth, but it seems that he will not be. attending that hearing. So, it seems. like right now it's really between New. York State and the feds of who goes. first with most people assuming it's. going to be the federal case. And that's.

just what I've been hearing even in with. like the press members. They're just. saying it seems like it's going to be. the federal case. So, that will be. probably hopefully there will be some. updates in December, but we will just. have to see and that is where we are. with this case. I do think that it was. very interesting um to go and attend the. hearing. Definitely follow POPNYC. Renegade for Justice. I think even as. the trial proceeds, it's going to be. really important to find a lot of.

different sources that are maybe not. aligned with Legacy Media just to see. and make sure that you're getting. thorough and fair coverage of the case. So, keep an eye out for that and be. safe. I will see you guys in the next. one. [Music].

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