“Good Girl” Nurse Killed 7 Babies To Get Doctor’s Attention & Sympathy

Bada bing, bada boom. There's this idea that trauma helps bond. people together. Would you agree? I can see that. Okay, I mean I mean it very lightly. though. [laughter]. Like you always see the relationship. experts on TikTok being like, "This is. why you go to an amusement park on the. very first date." Because the. adrenaline, the energy, the rush, it can. be translated into feelings of. attachment and love very easily. It's an. easy way to bond. I don't know. And. even on a large scale, like I can see.

how shared experiences, they help people. come together. Like have you seen Grey's. Anatomy? No. I used to be obsessed with that show. It's a show about a hospital. There's. doctors, there's nurses, they're just. trying to get through their jobs without. having like a mental breakdown on a. daily basis. Some of them fall in love, some of them get a divorce. Ultimately, it's about it's about friendship. It's. about forming these bonds and like. supporting each other. Dr. Crush and Lucy Letby from the UK, from Chester Hospital, they were kind of.

on that boat. So whenever they would. work on the same patients together, they. would send these quick little text. messages after work. We do work well. together, don't we? Or I felt proud about both of us. But these are just like the good times. During the tough times, they would also. text each other. So whenever they lost. an infant in the NICU, they would try to. be with each other throughout the. process. Dr. Crush would bring Nurse. Lucy chocolates to help cheer up. Sometimes they would make these little. Starbucks runs together or share lunch.

like tapas. He always encouraged her and. he told her, "Nobody cares for infants. the way that you do. You are a. spectacular nurse and you did your. absolute best for these patients and. there is nothing more that you could. have done. So you shouldn't harbor any. guilt or frustration within yourself.". But still, Nurse Lucy would say, "Yeah, I know, but I see these parents, I see them walking home without their. babies, and it's just heartbreaking.

And even if Dr. Crush wasn't able to. take away Lucy's pain, at least she had. some support during all of this. I think. everyone at Chester Hospital, especially, they needed some serious. emotional support. Because in the past year, they had been. losing infants at an alarming rate, a. rate that didn't even match the national. average of the infant mortality rates. So, something is going on in these. hospital walls, and they need to get to. the bottom of it.

And it seemed like Nurse Lucy, she could. be the one to provide some insight. She. was one of the most qualified nurses in. the NICU. At work, everyone said, "She's like this. vanilla goody two shoes." But, they. meant that in the nicest way possible. She always followed the rules, she. picked up extra shifts, she did. everything to a T. But at home, things were different. In a. journal hidden in her room, Lucy had. written Dr. Crush's name over and over. and over with hearts all around it. Dr.

Crush heart, Dr. Crush heart, Dr. Crush. heart, Dr. Crush heart. She wrote, "My. best friend, my love. I wanted you to. stand by me, but you didn't. Love, I trusted you with everything. One. day, I won't even think of you. I'm a. failure, though. Broken-hearted, killing. me softly.". And down the hall in Lucy's home, if you. opened up one of the bedroom doors, there was a bedroom decorated as a. nursery with giraffes all over the. walls. But, the thing is, Lucy didn't have a.

child. She wasn't even planning on. having a child. There was no other man. in her life other than Dr. Crush. But, Dr. Crush was already married. He. already had children of his own. So, she has a nursery in the house? Yeah, with no plans of having a child. anytime soon. It's very odd, but that's not even the. most curious thing about Lucy. But we have a nursery at home. Okay, for my niece. [laughter and gasps]. That's not even the most curious thing. though. Okay, so that maybe we can. explain away. But there was another.

sticky note found in Lucy's house that. read, "I am evil. I did this. There are no words. I'm an. awful person. I pay every day for it. I. can't breathe. I can't focus. I killed. them on purpose because I'm not good. enough for them. I'm a horrible evil. person and the world is better without. me.". Then in big, bold, red letters, she. wrote down the words, "Kill me." and.

circled it over and over. Could these notes be a confession? Was. she responsible for the uptick in infant. deaths in the NICU? This is the story of nurse Lucy, the. most evil nurse in recent times and. probably one of the more recent serial. killers to have been caught. [music]. [music].

As always, full show notes are available. at rottenmangoepodcast.com. This case has been highly requested and. I wanted to wait till the trial was over. to provide you with kind of a bit of a. more complete story. I mean, this case. went absolutely viral on most platforms. recently because and this is my personal. opinion, I think it's crazy. I mean, there's no light way to put it. I think. people were just having a very hard time.

understanding why someone would do. something like this. And I don't think. that the trial really answered any of. those questions. So people are left with this feeling of. like, "What happened and how and why?". And like nothing feels like closure. Quick side note, the victims' families. have requested that they and the names. of their children be kept anonymous. So, the victims are often referred to in. court documents as baby A, B, C, and so. on and so forth, all the way to baby Q. There's. Baby Q, that's woah.

There's a lot of victims in this case. And I'm going to use the name that. begins with the letter so it's easier. for you to track, and we will be using. random pseudonyms for the parents and. family to respect their privacy. There. are also other nurses and doctors at. this hospital whose names are available. online, but as a precaution, I'm just. going to be shortening their names just. in case they don't want their full names. in the full episode. But you can find. their names online rather easily. So, with that being said, let's get into it.

Nurse Lucy worked in the neonatal NICU. unit at Chester Hospital. And I'm going. to I'm going to try to put it nicely for. Nurse Lucy, but she could be a bit much. She could be a lot to handle for some of. the other nurses. To me at least, from what we could dig. up from the internet, she gives off very. strong brown-noser vibes. She would be. the type to do everything that she was. asked to do and then try to do your job, too. Which, okay, fine, it sounds kind. of like a joy to be around, right? But a. lot of the times it's just straight-up. agitating. Oh, there goes perfect Nurse.

Lucy, the most qualified nurse in the. NICU, sticking her head in everybody's. business. Like, imagine you're changing. a patient's diaper, right? She pops her. head in. Did you change the diaper? Don't forget to che- I'm changing the. diaper. Like, what? I'm doing it. You. can visually see that I'm doing it right. now. That's kind of the vibe she gives. off. Just checking in on everybody's. patients. It's insulting in the sense. that sometimes Nurse Lucy can come off.

as someone who believes that only she. can do a good job and everyone else. needs her opinion or her help. She would even be a bit too much for the. parents of the babies in the NICU. So, sometimes it's something particular. Some Sometimes it's something she says. or does in front of the parents. Most of. them didn't even register it at the time. as being creepy because, you know, they're parents in the NICU, they've got. way bigger things on their minds, right? But, it would be one of those instances. where they go home, they finally get. some rest, they're laying in bed, and.

they're staring at the ceiling thinking, "Huh. That was weird. Like, honey, did you. hear that? That was so strange. Why did. Why do you think she said that?". A lot of the times it was just kind of. the energy she gave off. Nurse Lucy. liked to hover all at the wrong times. When parents wanted some alone time to. gather their emotions, she's just. hovering. When parents are grieving an unspeakable. loss, she's just hovering. She's like. always lingering somewhere nearby, and.

you just feel eyes on you in your most. vulnerable moments. That's how Alice felt. Alice felt like. she was living in a repeat nightmare. that would just start all over whenever. the morning began. She didn't even know. how she was going to start processing. the trauma of the past few weeks. But, today she felt strangely calm. In. this instance, this was probably the. first time in a while that she just felt. collected. Maybe it's the water. Maybe. it's the smell of the baby soap. Her.

mind just felt so clear, and she just. wanted to cherish this moment. She. wanted to soak in every second of it. She focused on the feeling of the warm. water, and with one hand she's like. scooping up water and bringing it over. her baby's legs in the hospital baby. bathtub. And then she would get half a. pump of soap on her fingers, and her baby was quiet. So, Alice, like. any other new mom, she's trying to take. the time to memorize her kid's face.

She's like trying to memorize the color. of her eyes, like her smooth forehead, the round cheekbones that are buried. under the layers of squishy baby fat. And all the while she's having this. beautiful moment with her child, she can. feel this looming presence behind her. Nurse Lucy is hovering over this. precious moment. To be fair, Nurse Lucy was the one that suggested. Alice bathe her baby, and even though. privacy right now would be nice, Alice. couldn't hate her for trying to be.

helpful, right? Lucy said, "I can take some pictures to. remember this special moment if you. want.". Alice just wished that she would shut. up. Just stop talking. But she tried her best to just block out. Nurse Lucy and all her questions and. just focus on her baby. She needed to. use all her focus to memorize how it. felt to hold her baby in her arms. Her baby who was too still in the water. Her baby that would not be coming home.

with her. Alice's water broke at 27 weeks. That is. 3 months too early. We actually went. through this with my sister where my. sister's water broke early. Um not 27. weeks early, but she was turned away. from the hospital. The hospital didn't. believe Alice either. When she was like, "My water broke." They were like, "No, it didn't.". She was sent home, and 3 days later she. was rushed to a massive hospital and. gave birth prematurely. And at first, baby was doing fine. Baby was okay. After being transferred to Chester.

Hospital, though, that's when her. precious child flatlined two times, and. the third time doctors were unable to. save her. So, that's how Alice found herself. burying her tiny baby. the day before her original due date. So, it's like a It's a special type of. pain for Alice. And her family had. already moved out all the baby stuff so. that she wouldn't have to see it. She. wouldn't have to process that emotion, and that just the visuals of that would. be so heartbreaking. But she couldn't.

escape the fact that moms, when they. give birth, their bodies crave that. baby. Cuz your body is confused. It's very. hard to tell your body, like, "Hey, baby's not here, and that's okay. We're. going to get through it." Your body is. like, "I've worked like 10 months. Where is my child?". The day after the funeral, so the. original due date of Alice's baby, a. letter appears in the family mailbox. It. reads, "To the family, there are no. words to make this time any easier. It. was a real privilege to care for Isabel.

and to get to know you as a family. A family who always put baby first and. did everything possible for her. She. will always be a part of your lives and. we will never forget her. Thinking of. you today and always. Sorry I can't be. there to say goodbye. Nurse Lucy.". Okay, so nurses don't usually send. letters like this to the families of the. parents, but you could argue that Lucy. had gotten to know the family well. during their time at the hospital. Maybe. she just wanted Alice and the rest of. the family to know that the loss of baby. Isabel has impacted all the nursing.

staff at Chester and that her baby would. never be forgotten. But Lucy wasn't telling the full truth. in the letter. There are things that she left out. Like. how Alice's baby was the seventh baby to. die in the NICU unit that year. She talked about how the whole staff had. been affected, but they weren't just. affected by sadness or grief. They were. sad, yeah, but they were also very. worried. And maybe even a little bit suspicious. Seven babies? That's way above the.

national average. That doesn't even make. sense. The nurses and doctors weren't sure what. was wrong, but each baby they had died. of health complications due to being. born premature. It seemed natural, but. then again, infant mortality rates had. never been this high at Chester, so why. the sudden spike? So there were these rumors going around. Cuz you know, when you don't have an. answer, there's rumors. And the first. rumor was, okay, this was like a smaller. rumor, but it was a rumor that Tristar. was haunted or cursed or maybe it was.

the air or the water supply. Something. was bad in the water, tainted, contaminated. Maybe some new medical. equipment was interacting with the NICU. infants in an odd way. It just didn't make sense. There were even some whispers that the. hospital water pipes had been. contaminated with feces. And the nurses. would wash their hands in there and then. touch the babies and it could easily. easily spread germs and diseases and. viruses. So at first it was the hospital. is haunted, then someone cursed the. hospital, then it was the function of.

the hospital was off, then the water. pipes, and then it was one of the nurses. in the hospital that was a serial. killer. That was a rumor. And Dr. J was not having it. He was not. a big fan of superstitions nor rumors. He prided himself in obviously being a. man of science, right? He's like, "Haunted? People have died everywhere. Unfortunately, just about every single. inch of this earth would be haunted. then. Cursed? Nobody can curse a. building where people try to save lives.

It just wouldn't work. Because the. hospital halls, they hear more prayers. than the churches. That's the saying, right? The water pipes? Okay, that's something. we should definitely look into. But the. rumor that nurse Lucy was somehow. involved in the deaths of a ton of. babies in the NICU, that to Dr. J feels. like a pending lawsuit ready to. implode.". You're saying that there are suspicions. of her already in the hospital by the. coworkers? By the other nurses and some of the. doctors.

That she's like a full-blown serial. killer. And Dr. J is like, "That literally. doesn't make sense." He's like, "The. hospital doctors, the managers, you. can't just go around whispering to each. other about how she might be involved. and try to ruin her career and. reputation without any concrete. evidence. That is a ticking defamation. lawsuit. That is an employer lawsuit. waiting to happen. That's what he. thought. Until one day, he's walking by the NICU. hallway on the way back to his office. when he heard the alarms just blaring. A.

baby is coding. But after 1 or 2 seconds, the alarm. stops going off. He still makes that immediate detour. into the NICU and he sees the baby in. the clear plastic box wriggling around. and he sees Lucy Letby. And it it's just an eerie sight. He. said, like standing like a tombstone. over the baby's box. And I'm sure there was something in that. split moment. Maybe she was just staring. at the baby in a certain way. Something. that he just felt immediately.

uncomfortable. Mhm. Probably unnatural. Yeah. Not a normal response in that moment. It was just weird. It was weird. And you. know, the rumors were that every baby. that had died or had been in critical. condition had collapsed, nurse Lucy. Letby was there. And here she was again. But he didn't have time to think about. that. The blood oxygen readout was super. low. The baby's heart rate was elevated. He ran over. He sees the baby laying. there and his blood is running cold. The.

baby is supposed to have a breathing. tube on. Baby Kayla was 12 weeks. premature and her lungs hadn't finished. developing. But the breathing tube. wasn't on the baby in the baby. It had. been pulled out and laying next to baby. Kayla. And now baby Kayla's chest is not. moving. So Dr. Jay grabs the tube, hooks baby. Kayla back up to the oxygen. Her chest. is finally moving. She's still showing. these minor signs of distress and. discomfort, but her blood oxygen levels. are evening out. It's a close call.

Nurse Lucy. stood there most of the time. without doing anything important. This is what he said. She looked busy. She was going through papers and. adjusting machines, but she wasn't. actually doing anything. Like imagine a baby is dying and I'm. kind of like organizing the machine. Kind of like straightening it out. Dr. J felt like she was doing random. things that made her look busy without. actually getting anything done. Like.

that's one thing though, if you work a. 9-5 office cubicle job doing that, it's. another thing when you're doing that. when there's a dying baby right next to. you and you're a nurse. So when he leaves the NICU, Dr. J feels. so shaken up. He didn't even go back to. his own office like he had originally. planned. He goes straight to the head. office of the neonatal unit to talk to. Dr. B. And he realized three things. One, nurse Lucy was the only one in that. room with the babies.

Two, when Dr. J walked in, she wasn't. doing anything already to help the baby, but the alarms had already sounded. Why. wasn't she in action? Three, Dr. J clearly heard the alarm. turn on and then turn off again, but. when he got to the room, the readout was. still low, so the alarm should have. still been sounding. Did the alarm fail and it just stopped. or was the machine broken? Or did someone manually turn it off? And you're telling me there's no cameras.

in these rooms? So the NICU in the UK didn't have. cameras until 2020, mandatory. This is. 2015. Wow, come on. So he wanted to believe that the baby. pulled out her breathing tube on her own. and the whole alarm thing was just a. coincidence, but he couldn't explain. away the fact that Lucy wasn't doing. anything to help the baby. But at this point, there's still not. much evidence that Dr. J or any of the. nurses or any of the doctors. had. Like there's nothing that they. could do right now. They were playing a.

very dangerous rumor game. If it turned. out to be false, they could ruin an. innocent woman's life and career and. face a massive defamation lawsuit that. would probably put this hospital out of. business. If it turned out to be true, then they. would need a lot more evidence. to get her behind bars, and that would. be difficult. Because unfortunately, death is. death is a numbers game. And humans have like the losing end of. it. So, no matter how much each nurse.

and doctor on that floor begs and prays. not to lose a patient, that's just not. how it works. All they can do is their. best and hope that they're fighting off. death for their patients with everything. that they have, but sometimes there's. just nothing more that you can do. You've exhausted all the resources. So, for that very reason, the first. death in a string of very suspicious. deaths was actually not alarming at all. That's not to say it wasn't devastating. or heartbreaking, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't like setting off these red.

alarms in everyone's minds. June 2015 is. when it all started. There were these. two twins in the NICU, baby Andy and. baby Bella. They were born inside of the Chester. hospital, and they were actually born 9. weeks premature. So, their mom Renee was. classified as a high-risk pregnancy, and. carrying the twins full term was just. putting way too much stress on her body. It would be dangerous for not only her. health, but the babies' health for them. to stay in there any longer. And so, she's freaking out. She's a. first-time mom, and the doctors are. like, "You're going to have an emergency.

C-section like right now.". And the nurses are like, "Don't worry. Everything's going to be okay. Your. babies are going to be fine. We have an. amazing NICU unit. We have so much. experience giving care to premature. babies. They're going to stay safe and. warm in their cozy little boxes. You can. visit them all day. They'll get the care. that they need, and then you guys can. all go home once you're all ready, okay?". They honestly were just trying to get. her heart rate down before the. C-section, and she knew it, but it. helped. The birth went perfectly fine. I mean,

both of the twins, they did have some. complications, and both of them were. sent to the NICU to receive care, but I. mean, the nurses showed Renee her. babies, The the parents were allowed to. hold them, and the nurses pinky swore, "We're going to take good care of them. You need to go back to your room and. rest.". And that's what they did until a nurse. burst through their door and said, "Sorry to interrupt, but you're urgently. needed in the NICU.". They had no idea what was going on. So, they leave their little forks of food. cuz they were eating dinner, and they.

rushed to the NICU, and they kept asking. the nurses, "What do you mean? Like, what's wrong? What happened?" And the. nurse doesn't respond. She's just speed. walking to the NICU. These are all very, very bad signs. Renee could feel this pit in her stomach. that something was wrong with her. babies. When they arrived, there's a team of. doctors huddled around baby Andy. One. doctor had two of his thumbs side by. side on Andy's chest. These are how tiny. these babies are, okay? Most of these. babies weren't even 4 lb.

Most of them are premature, most of the. victims. So, just think about how tiny. they are. 4 lb? Yeah. Oh my goodness. Sophie was like 8 lb when she was born, yeah. Wow. And the doctor is like pushing down. once, twice, three times, and Renee. could see the sweat just dripping off. his hair. There was another doctor in. the corner of the room that was drenched. in sweat catching his breath. It looked. like he had been doing CPR. And finally, a nurse told the parents,

"We're not really sure what happened. His alarms went off. He's been receiving. CPR for about 40 minutes, but his pulse. is not going to come back. We called you so that you could say. goodbye.". Renee didn't even. couldn't even process what was going on. Her baby was fine yesterday. Her baby. was fine this morning when they saw him. and again in the afternoon, but suddenly. he flatlined. Like, there's no answers. What do you mean? She just felt this guilt. She had this autoimmune disease. So, mom.

had an autoimmune disease that made her. blood clot more than it should. So, she's thinking, "Maybe I passed it on to. one of my twins, and something happened. and Andy's blood couldn't get where it. needed fast enough, and maybe it's all. my fault.". The doctor kept performing CPR, but Andy. was already blue in the face. The more. CPR they did, the more damage they would. likely cause his little body. And Renee didn't even know how to. respond, and she just felt this hand on. her arm, and it was her mom. So, baby Andy's grandma was in the.

hospital, and she must have heard the. commotion, and she looked at her child, Renee, and told her something that I. don't think any mom should have to tell. their child. Which is, "It's hard. I know it's hard, but you have to let go, okay?". The doctors stopped the compressions. They unhooked baby Andy from all his. machines, and he was able to spend his last few. moments with his family. There was this suffocating silence in.

the hospital that night. Each nurse, each doctor, I mean, their shoulders. felt a bit heavier. Nobody could even. try to lighten the mood with a joke. It. was arguably a very, very rough day. The doctor who did baby Andy's chest. compressions, he had to take a whole. week off work because this was the first. baby he had ever lost. After the parents had time to grieve. baby Andy and say their goodbyes, a. nurse approached them and said something. along the lines of, "Hi, I'm nurse Lucy. I'm so sorry for your loss. I just.

wanted to give you these.". They looked down, and in nurse Lucy's. hands, there were a copy of Andy's hand. and footprints. Renee took the prints and made them into. a necklace. She wore that necklace around her neck. every single day. What exactly did she make? Like the footprints in like a probably a. ceramic or something. She wore that necklace every single day. until she found out her son was murdered.

by the person who took those prints. Now, mind you, Renee's not even able to. grieve in the comfort of her home. She's. still in and out of that hospital. Her. body is healing. Her other baby, Andy's. twin baby Bella, was still in the NICU. And of course Renee feels this massive. anxiety of like, what if something. happens to baby Bella, too? But it. seemed like all the nurses are giving. her good feedback, good news. Baby Bella. seems stable. She seems healthy. Now, side note, in the UK, the average. infant mortality rate is one to two per.

1,000 births. In 2014, Chester Hospital had overseen. 3,000 births, and they had lost three. babies. So, it's right on par. So, now when they lost Andy, nobody in. that hospital is suspecting that. something was wrong. I mean, they. believed that his death was completely. natural. And it wasn't until baby Bella, Andy's twin sister, fell gravely ill, and baby Charlie, another premature baby. in the NICU unit, that died, that. everyone's like, what the hell is going. on? Like, what on earth is going on?

Wow. Baby Charlie died just 4 days after baby. Andy. And many of the nurses on shift, they had to take breaks crying in the. break room. It just didn't make sense. One nurse said, "Baby Charlie was tiny. He was barely 2 lb. Like, that's less than a bag of sugar in. weight. 2 lb. But she said, "He was the feistiest. little baby I had ever seen.". So, it just didn't make sense when the. alarms go off blaring. Charlie is. coding. And one of the nurses remembers.

how they all rushed to respond. They. tried an oxygen mask on baby Charlie, then CPR. And then the most qualified. nurse in the NICU unit, nurse Lucy, suggested they try putting an oxygen. tube through his trachea. But ultimately, Charlie didn't make it. And everyone was hit so hard by this. Like, including nurse Lucy. I mean, two. babies in one week, this is a lot for. the staff to digest. Lucy texted her. co-worker that wasn't at the hospital. that day and said, "It wasn't a great. start to the shift, but sadly it just.

got worse. I'm struggling to accept what happened. to baby Andy, and now we lost baby. Charlie overnight, and it's just all a. bit much. I know it happens, but it's still so sad. and cruel, isn't it? I just keep seeing. them both. No one should have to see and do the. things that we do, and it's. heartbreaking, but you know, it's not. about me. We must learn to deal with it.". Her co-worker said, "You should try. switching off your shifts for the rest. of the week, like take a break. You were. there for both deaths, I'm sure it's not.

easy." Basically. That's so sick, cuz. she actually says. the right thing. So, she's like the. emotion she's trying to mock is very on. par with what most people feel like, right? Prosecutors would actually argue that. not to this co-worker, but to Dr. Crush, the doctor that she has a crush on, we're going to get to it later. But, they argued that she might have even. killed these babies. to make these conversations happen. Mhm.

Yeah, we're going to get it we're going. to dissect all of that in a second. But, she continued, "It's not about me, it's. about the poor parents who have to walk. away without their baby.". So, now two babies have died, and. there's been one close call. I mean, things are a little weird, but again, not suspiciously so, until there was a. fourth. Baby Diana wasn't premature, she was. just in the NICU unit because her birth. had taken a really long time, and the. doctors were worried that she had caught. an infection from it. This is actually. the hospital's fault.

Wait, so baby Bella's not passed yet? Baby Bella almost died, but she. survived. Oh. Yes. So, baby Andy, baby Charlie, and. now baby Diana. Baby Diana was not. premature, the other three babies were. premature. Baby Diana was actually in. the NICU because of a mistake that the. hospital made. So, I believe when a. mother's water breaks, but no one. accepts it or like she doesn't go into. labor, something of that sort, it's the. baby is very likely to get an infection. and so is the mother. So, one of the.

first things that the staff do are put. them on antibiotics, but someone forgot. to do that. So, now baby Diana had to be. in the NICU because they didn't know she. was going to catch an infection the day. that she was born and that could. jeopardize her health, that could be. deadly. So, Diana stopped breathing three. separate times the very night that she. was born. She was showing signs of. pneumonia. The breathing mask brought her back. twice, but the third time she didn't. make it. [music]. So, so far we have babies Andy, Bella, Charlie, and Diana and the only survivor.

is Bella and then all within the month. the hospital loses another baby, baby. Elliot. Wow. And they almost lose baby Elliot's twin. brother, baby Freddy. And then immediately after that they. lose baby Grace. They don't have reasons. They couldn't. figure out why, what's the cause? So, each baby had a different cause. listed on their postmortem. So, one of. them was like their heart stopped, the. other one was a bowel infection, one of. them was insulin levels were not great. So, it did seem natural, but it still.

didn't make sense. Even if it was. natural, like it's just a puzzling. thing. So, Dr. B, the head of the. neonatal unit, he's sitting in his. office with a pile of papers probably. this high in front of him and he's got. records of all the five babies that they. lost this year. Five. Within like a. month, too, okay? So, it's not even like. spread once a month, you know? This time. last year they'd only lost one baby. This year they had lost five and it's. only halfway through the year. It's his job to figure out what the hell. is going on.

He could be seen coming out of his. office with dark circles just dragging. all the way to his chin. When he wasn't. working with patients, he spent every. single second in his office trying to. figure out what the connection was with. all of these sudden infant deaths. [music]. It just didn't make sense. There was no. connection. Baby Andy's heart stopped. Baby Charlie stopped breathing. Baby. Diana died of pneumonia complications. Baby Elliot had a bowel infection most. likely from birth complications relating. to the placenta. Baby Freddy's body was. producing too much insulin. And Baby. Grace was given a 5% chance of survival.

at birth because of how premature she. was. There's no connection. So, it's not like, oh, the water is. tainted. It's in the water, right? Dr. B. felt like he was going crazy. And no, this is not like the silent killer of. South Korea. There would be no emails to. figure out what kind of mysterious. illness was sweeping the nation. It was. just going on inside of Chester. Hospital. So, he's like, okay, this is in my unit. and I need to find out what's going on. and I need to find it fast. He thought of everything. He thought. maybe there's something in the preemie. baby formula. So, all the premature.

babies are being fed a certain formula, maybe it's in there. But, there are other premature babies. that had consumed the same formula, but. they were fine. Then, was it the air? The water? Hospital air filters are cleaned. regularly up to standards and the. hospital ran off city water. Initially, Dr. B never suspected a. healthcare worker, let alone anyone from. his team to be responsible. I mean, the. very people that he works alongside to. save lives. Yeah, no, he's got faith in. his team. They were as devastated and as. confused as he was and he could see it.

on their faces every day. Each day they. came into work, they looked more. exhausted. They looked more emotionally. drained. They looked so upset. So, he pulled up the shift chart to see. which nurses or doctors he could talk to. when the deaths occurred, just to get a. better sense of what was going on. But, that's when he noticed something. that was just very chilling. For every single shift where a baby. died, collapsed, or came close to dying, Lucy was on staff. She was there for.

every single one. There were some nurses. that had been on shift for two, three, maybe four, even five, but Lucy had been. there for every single one. She was the. only one that had been there for every. single one. And Dr. B started laughing. He's like, "Okay, I'm losing my mind. Okay, I need to go outside and touch. grass because just because Lucy is on. shift doesn't mean she's in charge of. those babies." He pulled up her charts. In fact, she was only in charge of one. or two of the victims that died.

Okay, you know, that that makes sense, right? Each nurse has to take care of. three or four babies at a time per. shift. Lucy had other babies in other. rooms, not just in the NICU, and all the. babies who died or who had close calls, they were all in the NICU. So, maybe. it's not Lucy, maybe it's still just the. NICU. Something's going on there. He didn't want to say it, though. But, maybe there was a feeling that. Lucy's not a serial killer, but maybe. she's the curse. Cuz this happened soon after she was. hired. Maybe she just had bad omens.

It's messed up when you think about it. to say that someone just carries bad. luck with them or comes into a new place. and bad luck strikes because of them. It's mean. And since he knew Lucy's. background, it felt even more. mean-spirited. Lucy had worked her whole life to be a. nurse. She had these dreams since she. was a freaking baby, okay? Nurses had. saved her life when she herself was in. the NICU. She wanted to be a nurse ever. since she heard that story from her. parents as a kid. She studied like crazy. She got more.

qualifications than any other nurse in. the NICU. She was the most qualified. even though she was one of the youngest. nurses working. She would constantly. spend her off days getting more. qualifications. She was only 28. Her former boss and colleagues, they. only had amazing things to say about. her. They all said, "She's incredibly. hard working. Vanilla goody two shoes.". That's how they describe her. But, still. the deaths had absolutely nothing in. common but nurse Lucy. And Dr. B. couldn't help but be suspicious now. He.

brought it up to his boss, and by the. time that his boss saw the email and. replied to it, two more babies had. already died. The email response was not. what Dr. B was expecting. Basically, they said, "You know, it's unfortunate, but it's all just a coincidence. There's. no proof of anything. First of all, Lucy. has a great track record, and all the. babies had died of natural causes. related to their birth and nothing else. They were all premature, and most had. difficult or high-risk pregnancies from. the get-go." Side note, a lot of people. had problems with this response because. it felt like the unit manager, so Dr.

B's superior, wasn't even trying to. listen or figure out what was going on. in the NICU. It seemed like they were. just shutting down any ideas at all that. Lucy was involved. So, you could argue, maybe maybe they genuinely thought that. Lucy was not involved, and this was all. some sort of sick coincidence, and. they're trying to give her the benefit. of the doubt. Or two, people said, "It's like they don't want. to open Pandora's Box." Like, imagine. you're in this long, dark hallway, and. at the very end is this door, and behind. it you hear all sorts of terrifying.

screams and growls and scratching. noises. When you open that door, there's no. going back. Whatever's behind that door. is coming out, and you don't know what. it is. Maybe it's a monster, maybe it's. a speaker playing monster noises. You. don't know. So, they're like, "Let's keep the door. shut. Yeah. Let's never open this door. Put a do not. open sign on it.". And you say two more people died in that. process? Yeah, two more babies. Yeah. I mean, I guess we'll never really know. what the unit manager was thinking, but. it is just a little weird.

These are all just speculations. Now, the unit manager more or less told Dr. B. that there was just no way that a nurse. was involved in the uptick of infant. deaths in their hospital. Especially, especially not Nurse Lucy. She's the. most qualified nurse in the NICU, and. she's the type that took her job so. seriously, maybe to the point where. other nurses might want her to loosen up. a bit. The unit manager said, "Look, Dr. B, I. can personally vouch for Lucy. She's a. good nurse. There is no way that she's. connected to all of this.

Dr. B was like, yes, I respect your. opinion, but of course lives are being. lost. So, I'm going to go over you and. request a meeting with few of the. hospital executives. He emails them in. March. They don't even email him back. till May. So, for months they don't. really talk to him, but at least in May. he gets in front of them and he tells. them everything that he knows. So again, sounds like he's the only one. that cared. Yeah, um him and a few of the other. doctors, Dr. J and two more doctors. So, four doctors from the unit cared, but. he's the head of the neonatal unit, so.

he's doing a lot of the communications. Yeah. With the superiors and the executives. So, he's laying it bare to them. Like. these are my suspicions, these are why I. have these suspicions. Obviously, I. don't have concrete proof, but like you. can't tell me that things aren't weird. You can't tell me that we shouldn't at. least get some sort of third-party. investigator involved. Yeah. The conversation allegedly went. something along the lines of. was she the charge nurse for all the. instances? Meaning was she the nurse in. charge?

No, a lot of the time she was in another. unit, but she was on shift. But she wasn't assigned all the babies. in every instance. No. And the manner of death was all. natural? Yeah. So, it's a coincidence then. It's. unfortunate and it's tragic, but it's a. coincidence. The executives recommended that he. switch Lucy from the night shift to the. day shift. All these instances had. happened at night. So, if it really was. a coincidence, then changing Lucy's.

position should have no effect. So, in. late May Lucy was switched to the day. shift, and it just seemed like Dr. B. wasn't the only one that suspected nurse. Lucy of something. They didn't know what yet, but they. suspected her of something. Like the. other hospital staff, they started. analyzing everything Lucy did, and they. had been putting together these little. pieces. Some of the nurses actually. started whispering to each other saying. that Lucy was just a little bit too. interested in NICU babies. She kept popping into the NICU unit when. she was assigned to other units. For.

example, nurse Ellis was assigned to. three to four babies one night in the. NICU. She was on shift with Lucy, but. Lucy was assigned three to four babies. in another unit, so not the NICU. Lucy's. babies were healthy babies and they were. in another place down the hall. She had. no reason to be in the NICU that night, but while nurse Ellis is giving care to. her babies, every time she would turn. around, there was nurse Lucy cooing at. the babies, checking their vitals. And. at first, Ellis is trying to keep it. polite like, "Oh, sorry, is that baby.

yours? I thought I was assigned to that. baby. I could be wrong, but let me go. check my charts real quick." And then. Lucy would be like, "Oh, no, no, no, no, you're right. I was just stopping by cuz. she's so cute. I'll get going now.". But 5 minutes later, it would happen. again. And nurse Ellis would be at the. computer updating the baby's chart and. when she turned around, there was Lucy. Oh, hi again. Um. Something wrong? Anything I can help you. with? No, no, everything's okay. When it happened a third time, nurse.

Ellis was very frank with her. She said, "Lucy, this is my baby under my care. Please go back to your section.". Obviously, hindsight is 20/20. I did see. some people online arguing about whether. these particular nurses should have. known something was wrong, but like. really? I feel like I would be annoyed. at my colleague, but my immediate. thought, and maybe I'm still just too. naive, was. oh, god, she's so annoying. Yeah, it's it's like to suspect that, it's almost you have the darkest. Like there's something wrong with you.

almost. Yeah, you you think you see people in. the probably the worst light possible. It's hard for human to be Oh my god, is. she trying to kill people? Like that's. just not Yeah. Like to think, "Oh, is she out here. scoping out potential murder victims in. the NICU?" Like most nurses were like, "There goes nurse Lucy. Is this Is one. of the doctors around? Is she trying to. look good? Is she trying to undermine my. position and act like I'm not good. enough to take care of these NICU. babies? And they would all say like, must be so nice to be so young and have. so much energy to do your job and.

everybody else's. Like that was kind of. the energy. But then things started to change. So when she started popping in on stable. babies, everything was fine. It's. annoying, but it's fine. But then the. nurses started seeing her near babies. whose conditions would suddenly take a. turn for the worst. More and more. stories like this, they start floating. around the hospital staff. One person saw Lucy in a baby's room. alone right before the baby's condition. took a turn for the worse. Another staff. member saw Lucy watching from the window.

while two parents cradled their deceased. baby for the final time. And they even had to ask nurse Lucy to. leave because the parents were feeling. so unsettled and so uncomfortable in. probably the worst moment of their life. She was just hovering around them, watching them like some sort of grief. vampire. She's like soaking it in. She's not like. smiling, okay? So again, it's not one of. those instances where she's got like. this creepy Joker clown smile and. everyone's like, oh my gosh, she's a. killer, we got to do something. It's.

just like. she just seems too invested. Like, please, have some read the room, social. cues. Nunchi we call it in Korean. In another instance, a nurse was taken. aback when a baby was in distress and. Lucy told them off when they attempted. to assist. And the nurse said, I was. shocked because I'm a nurse, you know, and I just know that you can't have. enough help in these situations. I just never expected a nurse to tell me. to like back off basically. And Lucy. would pop in and check on babies that.

weren't her responsibility and it was. just generally a lot of crazy. coincidences. When Lucy was on the night. shift, these crazy coincidences happened. during the night shift. When she was. switched to the day shift, all of a. sudden they started happening during the. day. So, everybody knew about the rumors, even Nurse Lucy. She was really upset about them, okay? And she wasn't afraid to voice her. disgust. She said she had been nothing. but a great nurse since 2012, and it's. been like 3 years, and these random. rumors are popping up out of nowhere. She told the other nurses, "Yeah, maybe.

I would understand if there was some. sort of probable cause, big or small, but the whole thing is based on. coincidence, a coincidence that is the. hospital's fault to begin with.". And you're like, "What do you mean the. hospital's fault?". Lucy would argue, "They say I'm on shift. for every single death. That's true. Lucy knows that's true. Everyone knows. that's true." But Lucy argued, "Because. I'm literally always on shift.". To give you context, Lucy was a. 28-year-old nurse who lives alone, no.

family, no boyfriend, not a lively. friend group, or a crazy social life. She had given up her whole life to. becoming a nurse, she argued. And. because she doesn't have a ton of. personal obligations like many of the. other nurses that had kids or elderly. parents to take care of, Lucy would. inevitably end up picking up shifts. One. of the nurses has to take her kids to a. dentist appointment, Lucy would pick up. her shift. Another nurse has to go to. another city to care for their elderly. parents, Lucy would pick up her shift. Lucy pretty much just took every shift. that she was asked for.

And out of everyone in the hospital, she. probably had the most shifts, yeah. Okay, fine, whatever, right? So, she. argued, "I mean, if I'm always at the. hospital, then of course I'm always. there when issues arise, because I'm. always at the hospital.". And now the hospital wants to use her as. a scapegoat, she says, to cover up their. own problems and shortcomings. For one, Lucy argued the hospital is so. understaffed and underfunded. This statistic actually does, um, it does clear. It It checks, right? And.

this stat really only applies to the. infants in the NICU, not just babies or. infants in general in hospitals. But. when babies are in intensive care units, the staffing rate is much, much higher. So, typically in the US and places like. the UK, it's one nurse per baby in NICU. Yeah, at most. At most, it's one nurse. per two NICU babies. Lucy argued at. their hospital, Chester Hospital, they. had each nurse take about three to four. babies. So, if a nurse is only able to give a. baby a fourth of the time that they. need, then there's a higher chance that.

a small problem will go unnoticed until. it turns into a big problem that is too. big to fix. To sum it up, she's saying the hospital. was experiencing this abnormally high. infant mortality rate because of their. own lack of funding, their own lack of. staff, and since Lucy was the only. common thread between all of them, they're blaming it on her. They're using. her as a scapegoat to cover up the real. institutional problems at fault here, and she's not going to take the fall for. it. She's super frustrated because prior. to all of this, she had a stellar. reputation in her field. She worked.

nonstop. She took She took extra courses. to get extra qualifications and. certifications. She just wanted to gain more knowledge. She took this seriously. And in the beginning, in the beginning, Lucy actually had a quite a lot of. people defending her. Her old friends from college that. weren't working at Chester Hospital, so. I'm not sure how much weight their. opinions hold here, but her friends from. college and all of her close colleagues, they all said, "Lucy Letby is a vanilla. goody two shoes, okay? She is so adverse.

to even breaking a tiny, tiny little. rule.". We know. she couldn't have done anything that. she's accused of. So, without a doubt, we stand by her. [music]. I've grown up with Lucy, and. not a single thing that I've ever seen. or witnessed of Lucy would, you know, let me for a moment believe that she was. capable of the things she was being. accused of. You seem utterly [music].

unshakeable on this, but. isn't it possible she's. has fooled you all? Unless Lucy turned around and said, "I'm guilty.". I will never believe that she's guilty. If there is like a candy bowl that says. take one piece, she's not going to take. two. She's just not. That's not her, okay? I. mean, she's the most vanilla girl we've. ever met. She comes from a nice family. with two loving parents who are still. together, a stable household. She wants. to be a nurse. She's got blonde hair,

blue eyes, a big smile. She's just I. mean, her idea of going crazy is. like this is her idea of being unhinged. Sparkly eyeshadow and probably a shot or. two of tequila. So, anytime she texted. her friends or co-workers about any. problems she was suddenly having at. work, all of them were backing her up. They're comforting her. They told her, "You know, we know that you would never. do something like this, and they're just. being idiots. They're just being. douchebags. They're trying to find a. scapegoat. It's not you, it's them. It's.

deplorable what they're doing to these. hardworking nurses these days." And Dr. Crush was probably Lucy's biggest. support system. This is a fake name, by. the way. I'm calling him Dr. Crush. because it seems like Lucy and Dr. Crush. had, in my opinion, workplace crushes on. each other, to put it lightly. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Yeah. So, from the get-go, since baby. Andy passed and baby Charlie passed, Dr. Crush was like right there to support. Lucy. She would text him during or after. her shift to just talk about how.

stressful her life and her work has. been. He was always very encouraging, and he would support her. I'm going to. read you some of their texts, and you. tell me what kind of relationship you. think it is, because it's very pertinent. to the story later. Lucy texts Dr. Crush about how stressful. work is, and she texts him, "We've lost. two babies. Two babies I was caring for, and now. this happened today. It makes me think, am I missing something? Am I even good. enough? Lucy, if anyone knows how hard you've.

worked the past 3 days, it's me. If anybody says anything to you about. not being good enough or performing. adequately, I want you to promise me. that you'll give my details to provide a. statement. I don't care who it is and I. don't care if I have to leave the. hospital. You promise? Well, I sincerely hope I won't ever be. needing a statement, but thank you. I. promise. So, when they say statement, I don't. think that they were referring to a. police statement. Um well, maybe not. I. think that they're just referring to.

like a a charge against her license. Like people accusing her of medical. neglect or malpractice. Okay. Right. So, it's not like, "Oh my god, you're a serial killer. I'm going to. give them my statement to defend you.". It's more like, "I don't think that. you're in a position where you committed. medical malpractice and I can vouch for. that.". Do they work together or. Yeah, not as often, but they do cross. paths, yes. And they do work on certain. patients together. And he said, "You are one of the few.

nurses across the region and I've pretty. much worked everywhere that I would. trust with my own children.". Wow. She responds, "I don't know what to say. Thank you.". Then a little while later, Dr. Crush. texts her, "Am I right in thinking. you've had six long shifts? No wonder. you're tired.". "Yeah, but it's my own fault. I have. hypothyroidism, so I'm just tired all. the time." "Can you take your annual. leave? Is there anything I can do to. help? Cake? Coffee?". "Thanks, but no. I do think that I'm.

going to be going on a trip with my. parents." This was right before another. baby collapsed, baby Noah. Lucy was on. shift for that. Which side note, Dr. Crush got off work and left for maybe. about 15-20 minutes before he comes back. with a surprise for Lucy and it's a box. of chocolates. He texts her after, "Oh Lucy, you poor. little thing. Have a cry, it'll make you. feel better. You can take my car home if. you're too tired. I'll arrange to get it. in the morning. So sorry you've had a. rubbish day. You really deserve a.

vacation after this horrible week. So, that's exactly what she does. She. goes on vacation to Ibiza. You said baby Noah? Yeah. Holy, that's. Yeah. There were a few surviving babies, but. what's crazy is it's not just baby A. through Q. There's actually a lot of. parents who. Nurse Lucy was assigned to their baby, and thankfully their baby wasn't in the. NICU, but they still had some sort of. health problems while they were at.

Chester. So, we really don't know how just how. many. Anyway, she went to Ibiza. She stayed. there for 2 weeks, and the day that she. got back, another baby entered into. critical condition. Baby Oliver was a. perfectly healthy baby, but the day. after Nurse Lucy got back on shift, he. mysteriously and suddenly had a crisis. He was vomiting, his stomach was super. swollen, his dad said he looked like. E.T., and his veins were bright blue. After Oliver passed, Lucy texted her.

coworker, "Oliver was doing just fine, but he got a huge tummy overnight, and. it ballooned. There was nothing else. that led to the collapse. I wish I was. still on vacation.". Then she texted with Dr. Crush some more. about how sad she was and how hard her. job was. Now, this is what's so depressing. Oliver was actually one of triplets, identical sons. So, he had two other. brothers, they were all in the NICU. Oliver passed, and less than 24 hours. later, his brother Peter passed away. [sighs].

And I'm just like thinking of the trauma. of the parents, okay? So, Nurse Lucy was in the room, even. though she wasn't supposed to be looking. after Peter, and it's it's weird, isn't. it? Like, when you really sit down and. you think about it, it makes you want to. raise your eyebrows at Lucy. Look, I imagine in the beginning almost. every single nurse was on nurse Lucy's. side because that's terrifying. Being a. nurse, you've worked your ass off. You. feel this intense grief every time a. patient passes. It's not a field for the. weak. You're overstaffed. You're. underfunded. And now one of your own is.

being accused of being so negligent to. the point of causing deaths in infants. or going out of their way to kill. infants. Every nurse probably had nurse. Lucy's back in the beginning. Cuz it's the feeling of if that could. happen to her, it could happen to me. I. could just be accused. But one by one, the nurses had to ask themselves, is. nurse Lucy really innocent? There was a really creepy instance, okay? So, I'm going to bring it back to. baby Diana. Baby Diana was in the NICU when her.

condition suddenly worsened and she. passed. It was devastating for Diana's. mom in every way possible. She had gone. through 60 hours of labor. And now baby Diana was gone. They were spending their last moment. with Diana to say their goodbyes. And. this is the part that's so unsettling. Nurse Lucy wasn't even in charge of baby. Diana, but she was hovering around the. parents as they said goodbye, asking. them constantly, "Do you need any water? Do you need anything? Do you need this?". They just wanted some time alone. And she's just hovering. It was to the.

point where Diana's parents took the. nurse that was actually in charge of. Diana and said, "Can you please tell. that nurse over there to like leave us. alone?". That nurse talked to Lucy about it, but. it was just one of those things where. she couldn't stop thinking about. everything else that had happened. It. just felt unsettling. So, she told a few of the other nurses. about what happened. And one of the. coworkers was like, "Oh my god, the same. thing happened to baby Charlie.". When baby Charlie was in critical. condition, doctors knew that there was. nothing more that they could do. Parents. requested life-saving attempts to be.

stopped so that they could spend a. little bit of time with Charlie, have. him baptized by the hospital priest, and spend time with him, right? Well, Lucy went in with a ventilated. box. Basically, a box, like a coffin, if. you will. Didn't look like a coffin, but. it's essentially a coffin. And asked if they wanted to put baby. Charlie in there. While they're spending time, like. everyone else was under the impression, when they're ready, they'll let us know. they're ready. But she barges in there and is like, do. you want to put the baby in here?

The parents were horrified. Like, this is so traumatic. Imagine you. are dealing with so much trauma, so much. emotion. You're spending your last. moments alone. Your baby is technically. still alive. Your baby will die, but right at this. moment, they're still alive, and a nurse. comes in with basically a box and is. like, you want to put your baby in here? It It just felt really unsettling. Like, it didn't feel helpful, it felt weird. So, they talked to their nurse, and that.

nurse had to talk to Lucy, and Lucy. didn't think so, okay? She didn't think. she was being weird. She texted her. co-worker, "I was just trying to be. considerate. Why do things like this. always happen to me?". So, now the other nurses, they're. getting fed up with all these little. weird moments, and one of them thinks, "You know what? I'm just going to. freaking text her. I'm going to text. Lucy. See her thoughts on the matter.". So, she texts, "Hey Lucy, there's. something odd about that night and the. other three infants that went so. suddenly." And Lucy goes, "What do you. mean odd? We lost three and in different. circumstances.".

"I don't know. Were they that different? Ignore me, I'm just speculating.". I think that this is weird. And I don't know. Maybe some people are. just not as conspiracy theorists like I. am, but I feel like if I was a nurse and. these babies were dying, I would engage. in this conversation. I would say, "Yeah, why have there been so many. babies that have been passing recently? Like, you think that the hospital. executives are missing something? Like, you think the doctors have done. something? Like, what's going on, you. think?".

You're saying Lucy's response was really. odd, right? She was just like, "What do you mean. odd? They all died in different. circumstances.". Yeah. But I would be like, "Yeah. Okay, now. that you mention it, yeah, that's a lot. I don't know what's going on.". Yeah. Cuz every nurse feels different. Mhm. So, the way that Lucy responded, it just. didn't sit well with the nurses. And. then it happened again. So, baby Elliot. had blood coming out of his nose and. mouth. Doctors and nurses immediately. rushed in and tried to give Elliot. life-saving measures, but baby Elliot. stopped moving, stopped crying, they.

couldn't bring him back. His mom, Elliot's mom, was in the room watching. the entire thing, and nurse Lucy was one. of the nurses that came in to help and. try and save Elliot. So, after he's. gone, most of the hospital staff, they. shuffle out, not because they don't want. to be there, but they want to give. Elliot's parents some time alone with. Elliot. Lucy stays behind and offers to give. Elliot a bath. His mom agreed since he had been. bleeding, and I don't think the parents. wanted to see him with blood on his body. any longer. And Lucy brought out the tub, washed off.

Elliot's body, and Elliot's mom said, "Lucy let me bathe him in front of me in. the neonatal unit. After he was bathed, he was placed in a white gown, and I. just remember being so thankful because. we had no clothes for him because he was. so little.". But just like the twins from the. beginning of today's case, Elliot's. parents couldn't even go home to grieve. because Elliot's twin Freddy was also in. the NICU, and his heart rate was too. high, his blood sugar was way too low. How evil do you need to be.

after you kill one of them. and you see what the parents are going. through. and then you do that again? Yeah. I That's why I'm saying she's like. a grief vampire. It's like she gets off. on the grief. That's how That's the only. way in my head I can explain even the. hovering around the parents as they. grieve. It's like she's soaking in grief. and it's like energizing her or like. it's an addiction. It's just so sick. Yeah, he's feed She's feeding off other. pain.

yeah, which is I really don't know what. kind of person. that would have to be because most. people are generally very uncomfortable. when they are confronted with such. strong grief. Either they feel that. grief rub off on them and that makes. them uncomfortable or they don't know. how to respond in a way that can help. that person. So, it makes them. uncomfortable. This is like. Mhm. just so against human nature. So, Lucy was taking care of Freddy's. blood sugar levels when it happened. The. doctors tried to give him sugar water to. try and help. Um Lucy texted one of the.

other nurses on shift, "Did you see what. his blood sugar was?" 1.8. Both nurses chatted for a while about. how they hoped Freddy would get better. And then Lucy said, "I'm off soon. Would. you give me an update later tonight on. how Freddy's doing?". So, after work Lucy would go to these. salsa classes and then she got a text. "Oh, Freddy's more stable now. They're. doing tests to find out what happened.". "Good.". No response. Lucy texts back 3 hours. later, "I wonder if it's like a. different sort of problem, like a. hormone problem. I hope they can get to.

the bottom of it." A lot of people think. that this is her trying to come up with. answers since her attempt at killing him. didn't work. Mhm. Do we know how every baby go. through Okay. Yeah, so um we do know it's. See, the part that gets tricky is I. almost want to say allegedly and that's. not me saying that this crime is up for. debate or it didn't happen or Lucy's not. the culprit, but I want to say allegedly. because prosecutors can only speculate. how she did things based on the.

evidence, but since there were no. eyewitnesses and no CCTV cameras, it's. just one of those things, right? Prosecutors believe that she did it in. some really sick and twisted ways. Sometimes she would her favorite thing. was to inject air bubbles into the. babies. So, you know how when you get a shot. Yeah. they make sure that there's no air in. there, right? So, an air bubble, like. when you're talking about skin, it's. fine usually, but when you're going into. the vein, into like the bloodstream. Air is absolutely not okay. Air bubbles.

in adults, full grown adults, can kill. them because that air bubble doesn't. just disappear somewhere. It stays. there, and if it blocks blood from going. into your heart or to your brain, you. could have a stroke, you could die. And. just think about how tiny the blood. vessels for these infants are. They're. not even like 4 lb. So, air bubbles, they can kill adult. beings. Think about what they can do to. a newborn baby. Then, if sometimes she didn't feel like. doing that, she would inject air into. their stomachs via their feeding tubes,

and it would cause their stomachs to. balloon, and that's why one of the. fathers said he looked like E.T. And that can really crush like their. diaphragm and all these other things so. that they can't breathe. There was. evidence of physical assault in some. cases. They believed that she would take. medical instruments and/or tools. She. would take. the feeding tube and jam the feeding. tube directly into the throats of the. babies, and that's why some of them were. bleeding from the nose and the mouth.

One of the babies had liver damage that. was so intense that doctors said they. only saw that type of liver damage in. children who had been in very bad car. accidents. Sometimes she would just. add a ton of insulin to their feeding. tubes as well, killing them. And it does seem like sometimes she. would just literally take out their. breathing tubes. Wow. I I just It almost sounds like. she's like trying whatever she can think. of on these babies. Yeah.

And then I imagine sometimes if someone. survives, she probably will try something else on. the next baby. Yeah. And like, okay, I really don't like to. relate cases to my personal life because. I feel like there's nothing in my. personal life where I've dealt with that. has can in any shape, way, or form. compared to the grief that a lot of. these victims and their families have. felt, but. we recently went through something with. my sister where my niece was in the. PICU. She coded multiple times. Her. heart stopped multiple times. So, like.

the trauma that that has left on our. family, especially my sister and her. husband, even now, tiny little things trigger her. trauma, and to see my sister in that. level of pain, and Mia survived, thankfully. So, it's just like I can't. even begin to amount how raw and. visceral this pain must feel for the. parents. Thankfully, Freddy survived, and the. doctors, they chalked it up to an. imbalance in insulin in his body. Weeks.

later, Dr. B would find out the truth. He would be in his office again looking. over paperwork when he found something. interesting. Baby Freddy's insulin. levels were high, but his C-peptide. levels were not high. So, think of. insulin and C-peptide like a couple in a. honeymoon stage. They don't go anywhere. without each other. So, if your body is. producing too much insulin, then the. C-peptide levels are going to be very. high as well. If the body is low on. insulin, the C-peptides are low. It's. just naturally like that. But, Freddy's.

C-peptides did not match his insulin. levels, which means that his body is not. creating excess insulin. So, are you. catching my drift? That means the. insulin must have come from an outside. source. Then Dr. B looked at who was in charge. of Freddy's last feedings, and he only. saw two people in charge, or two shifts. that were in charge of his feedings. Nurse Lucy was the one that gave him his. feedings both times. Yeah. So, his very strong scientific belief. was someone put insulin inside of baby.

Freddy's feeding bag. Every other nurse. said that they didn't do that. Lucy. denied it, too, but just with all these. other coincidences, it's not looking. good. And then remember the triplets. where Oliver and then his brother Peter. died? Mhm. Before Peter passed, he was in critical. condition, and another nurse remembered. checking up on Peter, and Lucy said out. of nowhere, "He's not going to make it. out here alive, is he?". If you know anything about nurses, they. never say stuff like that. It's such a. dirty, dirty feeling. Like, why jinx a. life, especially an infant life out of.

all things? That's why there's a. superstition that they don't even say, "It's a slow night, isn't it?" Because. that means all hell is about to break. loose in the hospital, and usually all. hell breaks loose means someone might. die. So, the nurse scolded Lucy because at. this point Peter had been stable for. like a second, okay? I mean, he's not. doing great, but he was kind of getting. stable, and she said, "What are you. saying? Don't say that.". But then a couple hours later, his. abdomen swelled again, and he got this. purplish rash that looked like spiderweb. veins all over his body, and he wasn't.

responding to life-saving measures. And it wasn't until after Peter's death. the nurse felt her hair. could stand up on the back of her neck, and she just had these goosebumps, and. it was like déjà vu. She remembered just a year ago when baby. Charlie was doing well. He was stable, but he wasn't doing well. Nurse Lucy was. helping monitor Charlie, and she looked. over at this nurse and said, "I don't. think he's going to make it out alive.". And she remembered how gross it made her. feel because like, again, why would you. jinx that? But then she also remembered so vividly.

how Charlie would not make it out alive. And now neither would baby Peter. And now whenever smiling, happy Lucy. walked by, all the nurse could see was. just this thick [music] black cloud, like a bad omen. But Lucy would be busy texting her. colleagues. I keep thinking of them in. the cot together. Oliver and Peter. They were together, yeah, at one point. So peaceful, yet beyond words for how. awful it is. So sad. The family all.

thanked me when I took baby Peter and. dressed him. Two of the three triplets died, and Dr. B was going insane. The hospital. executive still refused to believe that. a nurse could be involved. Mainly, they. were concerned that this rumor was false. and Lucy was going to sue the hospital. I'm just going to give you an example. about how big this fear was for them. Dr. B sent an email to one of the. executives after baby Peter died and he. said, "We still need to talk about Lucy. I believe we need help from outside. agencies. At the moment, we're all under. suspicion and the only agency who can.

investigate every single one of us, I. believe, is the police. I think we should proactively seek their. help.". The executives responded, "Action is. being taken. All emails cease. forthwith.". Basically, don't be emailing that. because this could come up in a lawsuit. Don't be emailing Lucy's name because if. she sues us, this could be discoverable. in a lawsuit. But four doctors, Dr. B, the head of the. neonatal unit, Dr. J, the one that. walked in on Lucy acting busy, and two. other doctors, they refused to back.

down. The hospital executives, they even. tried to put their own minds at ease by. calling the Royal College of Pediatrics. and Child Health. So, this is in the UK, hence the Royal College, right? Executives asked them, "Review the. services that are being provided in the. NICU unit." According to some nurses, Lucy seemed a little bit uneasy when. they were investigating. And they said that for whatever reason, when anyone outside the hospital, even. if they called like an ENT specialist. for the babies, n- Nurse Lucy would look. around several times and just constantly. ask like, "Who are these people? Who are. these people?".

It just seemed odd. So, after the review, um all of the. documents were sent off to a specialist. in London and she said at least four of. the infant deaths should be investigated. by authorities. But the hospital still. didn't do anything. They had another. meeting in January of 2017 and just. taking their sweet time. They said, "The. results show that the problems in the. neonatal units are issues that have to. deal with leadership and timely. intervention. AKA, we're not going to. the cops about it. We would rather just.

stop accepting premature babies." That's. what they say. "Let's stop accepting. premature babies. We'll still do labor. and delivery, but no more premature. babies, and no more NICU for a while. They also moved Lucy to an. administrative job in probably the worst. department that they could have put her. in. The risk and patient safety office. It's like so ironic, no? Yeah. But at least she didn't have access to. the babies anymore. Okay. just crazy how much the executives were. worried about a lawsuit. At this point, you might imagine that Lucy comes from.

the royal family themselves, and they. all work for her. Because a few weeks. after shutting down the NICU, the. hospital CEO personally went to Lucy's. father's house and apologized to Lucy. and her father about the rumors and. accusations she was facing. Wow, how ironic, dude. Like this is. this is unbelievable. Yeah, he came back and advised the other. board members of the hospital to. apologize to Lucy as well. They even. tried to get the four doctors, they're.

called the gang of four in the UK. like the Black Mirror episode. Which one? Just like any. Just the irony of this. Yeah, like they're more scared of a. lawsuit than infants dying. Yeah, meanwhile they're apologizing to a. killer. Please, please. They tried to get the four doctors to. send an email to Lucy, and they wanted. it to read, "The increased mortality. rate in the NICU unit has been a. stressful time for all of us, and we. understand that it has been. exceptionally stressful for you. We. would like to apologize for any. inappropriate comments that have been. made during this difficult period. As.

you are aware, emotions run high. We are. very sorry for the stress and upset that. you have experienced this past year. Please be assured that patient safety is. our top priority during this difficult. time.". The doctors were like, "You can keep. your letter, and we're going to go to. the authorities, okay?" So that's how. Operation Hummingbird began. Um, Officer. Jones sitting in his office at the. police station, and he's looking up at. these two doctors sitting in front of. him, still in their white coats, and. they're fidgeting. They seem super.

nervous. The hospital isn't thrilled about us. doing this and we don't want to make a. big fuss, but. we think a third-party organization. needs to handle this case. So, the doctors are saying, basically, we want you to look into us, too. Look. into every single person in this unit. because we don't know what's going on. We have our suspicions, but we need to. stop this. Babies are dying. And he explains, you know, we usually. lose maybe two to three babies a year, max probably four in the past history of. our hospital, but this year alone we've.

lost seven and many, many more had close. calls. Okay, and how can we help you with that? They're like, we don't think that these. deaths have been natural. There's a. nurse that has worked every single shift. that someone has died or had almost come. close to dying. They're like, well, do you have proof? So, they gather all of these medical. documents and all the shift charts from. the past year. And they gave it all to the police. The. investigation would take 1 year. They. would have to pull medical records,

shift charts. They would go to. eyewitnesses, nurses. They talked to. doctors, nurses, families, everyone. And. finally, July 3rd of 2018, Lucy was. arrested the first time. She was. actually be arrested like three times. What? Yeah, the whole ordeal was pretty. anticlimactic. We do have some body cam. footage, but I mean, Lucy looks vaguely. confused. It's hard to say whether or. not she's faking the confusion, but I. thought the reaction was telling. Okay, just like put your mind in that position. for 1 second, okay? If they would come.

up at my door and I know that there had. been rumors about me killing babies. That is like one of the worst crimes to. be accused of, right? Especially if my. profession is saving babies. I would. just feel the. highest sense of injustice. And they come knocking on my door, you. better believe I'm not fighting them. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but. I would be screaming and pleading with. them like you don't understand. I would. never like I feel like there would be. something inside me, that. like the words would be flowing out.

Like you don't understand, like this is. not what you think. Mhm. You don't think so? Like that feels like. more of a normal, appropriate reaction. Yeah, yeah. I can I can see that. Yeah. She's really chill. She looks kind of confused, but she just. like follows them. The only thing she really says is like, oh, I had knee surgery. And I think she. mentions it as a way to explain how why. she's moving slow into the patrol car. But that's really all she says. We do have Take a seat in the police.

vehicle. I'll move that seat forward a bit. Yeah, I just had knee surgery. Oh, right. Okay. [clears throat]. We do have some footage of what happened. inside the interrogation room, but not. all of that has been released to the. public. It's very short what we have, and the clip starts off with Lucy. talking. She's got her hands in her lap, and her elbows are hugged close to her. body. She's not moving a lot. She's very. calm. She's not very defensive. Um she's not. saying everything that her mind thinks. of. She just says, they told me that. there had been a lot of deaths, and that.

I've been linked to someone who was. there for a lot of them. And again, I feel like my reaction would. be like, please talk to everyone that's. ever worked with me in the past. Like. you I would never do this. Like please, like you don't understand. Like I'm on every single shift. Like I. feel like I would I don't know. Who. knows? Maybe in the rest of the. interrogation it went like that, but. this was just eerily calm for me. They. asked, did you have any concerns that. there was a rise in the mortality rates? Yes. So tell me about that. What did you. have? I think we all just noticed as a. team in general, the nursing staff, that.

this was a rise compared to previous. years. Did you have any concerns that there was. a rise in the mortality rate? Yes. Okay, so tell me about that. What. concerns did you have? I think we all just noticed as a. as a team in general, the nursing staff, that. this was. a rise compared to previous years. The police didn't get much out of Lucy. during the interrogation, but they did. have a warrant to search her home, and. they found lots of crazy things in.

there. So, let's go over the craziest. parts. We talked about the notes with. Dr. Crush's name and hearts all over. them. Yeah, that was alarming. The. nursery, that was alarming. There was. also some other notes that I'll go over. in length, but one thing is. Lucy still maintains this narrative to. this day that she is innocent and that. she was a scapegoat for the hospital. So, just keep that in the back of your. mind while I tell you everything that. they found in her home. Medical documents. When authorities. searched her home, they found multiple. sheets of medical records for more than.

one baby that passed. This is super. illegal. Nobody is allowed to take home. patient records. Nobody is allowed to. take home strictly cut I mean, imagine. all the violations. Just because you're. my nurse, you can have all my medical. documents hidden under your bed? Cuz. that's where it was hidden. It was. hidden under Lucy's bed. Yeah, like I don't think so. I would be. very uncomfortable if my doctor had my. medical records under their bed or my. nurse. Even if the patient is just a baby, even. if the patient has passed, you can't.

just take home these records. Authorities believe that these were her. trophies. You know how serial killers. bring something from the victim of the. crime scene, something to remember each. kill by? They think that this was Lucy. Letby's trophy stash. They said it was hidden under her bed. It was almost like a sacred place. because even her bank documents were. even under her bed. Like things that. most people would typically prioritize. more than like random scraps of papers. from work. Cuz that's how she tries to. claim. She's like, "Oh, I must have. accidentally had them in my pocket and.

then brought them home and then never. got rid of them.". Yeah. But she actually moved houses in late. 2015. So, that means she also brought. them to her new house and then forgot to. throw them away? When she was confronted with that, she. just said, "Oh, I just like to collect. paper. Like I'm kind of a hoarder. It's. not because I'm like. looking up the families on Facebook. Cuz that's what she was doing. Wow. Holy. I don't know how she was able to try and. even look the investigators in the face.

and argue this, but Lucy Letby looked up. a lot of the parents of the babies'. victims on Facebook. And this is the. disturbing part. Okay, this is why I. keep thinking of grief vampire while I'm. researching this case. I just keep. thinking of like this image of someone. who gets off on people's grief. Like. someone just standing at a funeral like. soaking in all this energy. She would do. this around baby death anniversaries. for these victims cuz parents will. usually post like it's been 1 year. without you. It's been 2 years.

It's a moment of grief and reflection. and love and all these complicated. emotions. And during the holidays, which. is another moment for families to. reflect and talk about these types of. things. She would look up the parents every so. often on Facebook. And when I say every. so often, that sounds like once or twice. a year. In 1 year, it was like 2,300. something times that she looked up. parents of the victims. times? 2,300 something times.

1 year? In 1 year. There's 365 days. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like four times a day. Wow. I mean, she claims that she just. remembers these patients and wanted to. see how they're doing just cuz she's a. caring nurse, but I don't know, 200, 3,080 times in a single year. is just unhinged behavior in my very. personal. non-professional, very free advice and. opinion, that is unhinged behavior.

Yeah. That's not even the most damning. thing found in her house. The notes. Lucy was an avid note-taker. She kept a. diary, a planner, and she wrote a lot of. sticky notes, and she never threw away. any of it. Another slightly unsettling. detail, at least for me, was that her. diary was just super super meticulously. organized, like color-coded with. different colored asterisks. She had. some sort of meaning behind every color, every different code was something. Authorities believe that the highlighted. dates in her diary were significant. events that were related to her crimes.

The contents of her diary have not been. released to the public, but her little. notebook scraps, her journaling scraps, sticky notes, they were released. A few. of them. Another unsettling thing, they're not. that easy to read. Not in the sense that. her handwriting was messy, but. Okay, so sometimes she writes left to. right while she's writing, but then. she'll go in and fill over the leftover. spaces in between the words she's. already written, or on top, like you. know how there's lines? She'll write in. between the lines a whole 'nother.

thought. Sometimes she writes words on. top of words, so it's kind of difficult. to pick up her whole coherent train of. thought. But one sticky note that has made its. rounds on the internet has been decoded, and it reads in full, "I am evil. I did. this. There are no words. I'm an awful. person. I pay every day for that. I. can't breathe. I can't focus. Kill. myself right now. Overwhelming fear, panic. I'll never have children or. marry. I'll never know what it's like to. have a family. No help. I've not done. anything wrong. Police investigation,

slander, discrimination, victimization, all too much. All taking over my life. I. feel very alone and scared. What does. the future hold? How can I get through. it? How will things ever be like they. used to? I don't deserve to live. I did. this. Why me? I killed them on purpose. because I'm not good enough for them. I'm a horrible evil person and don't. deserve mom and dad. The world is better. off without me.". Lucy's attorneys argued that this was. not a confession, that this was Lucy. writing through her emotions about being. accused of killing babies, and that it.

was just her trauma. She was having a. mental breakdown. The authorities. disagreed. An An that searched her home said, "The. amount of evidence we recovered from her. home address was just not expected. Thousands and thousands of documents, many devices that led to downloads of. half a million pages of information that. we did not expect to find. Wait, wait, say that again. Like half a million pages of information. that they didn't expect to find from. like I'm assuming hard drives. Half a million pages? Yeah. Maybe she was looking up like certain.

things that could be related to the. case. Side note, they also found two books. that were worthy of mentioning. One was. Never Greener by Ruth Jones. It's a. novel about two people swept up in an. adulterous affair. Doctor Crush vibes, okay? The other one. is In Shock by Dr. Rana Awdish, a a. memoir of a doctor who suffered a. hemorrhage when she was 7 months. pregnant and she lost her child. Side. note, I did see some people speculate. online. um. whether or not Lucy might have This is.

like pure speculation and I don't know. how to feel about it because I don't. really like speculating on. women's bodies and like, you know, their. trauma, but people speculated that maybe. she had a miscarriage. or she had this nursery and now she's. like sick and twisted and wants to kill. babies because she can't have this. family. I don't know. I don't even like even if. that makes sense to me, still not a good. reason, you know? Yeah. Like I I what I don't like about this. speculation is that it might give some.

sympathy to Lucy, which I don't like. It. makes her like a comic book villain. Right. Right, but it's like no, you're just a. villain, sorry. So somehow Lucy gets off on bail, but in. 2019, 1 year later, a full year later, she was re-arrested and had to come in. for more questioning. She somehow gets. out on bail again and she's re-arrested. the third and final time, November of. 2020. She was now being charged with. eight counts of murder, 10 counts of. attempted murder. So how did she do it, right? I talked. about the air bubbles that were injected.

into her veins or into her stomach, and. that's where the rash came from. So, all. of the babies had this weird bluish. purplish spider web rash on their. bodies. Mhm. So, it's speculated by experts that. those were the air bubbles. So, it would trap the blood and then. blood couldn't travel. Oh, right. Yeah. But, Lucy would continue to argue. that she didn't do any of that and she. was just a scapegoat. The trial itself was emotionally. draining for the victims' families.

Lucy's attorney kept trying to delay the. trial claiming that Lucy had trauma. because of her arrest. It was um. it's just rough for the parents. Her. attorneys claimed that she had PTSD, so. she was allowed to bring in a comfort. blanket and a small stress toy to the. trial. Which to me, don't get me wrong, as someone who deals. with a lot of anxiety and other mental. health issues, okay? I'm like, yeah, I. like a comfort blanket. I like a stress. toy, right? But, imagine the Like, who.

brings that to trial, first of all, okay? And then imagine the parents and. how they feel. Their children never got. to go home to the warm blankets that. they have prepared for them, the toys. that they excitedly bought before giving. birth. Yeah. This is like probably the worst. thing you can let her bring to the court. in front of the parents. It's like, oh, I'm so weak and I'm like. a child. She even looked at the jury and. was like, oh, I have PTSD from my. arrest, so I get startled at anything.

There would be like a pen dropping in. the trial courtroom and she'd be like, And everyone's like, okay, what? And I'm. not saying trauma like that doesn't. exist. You often see that with veterans. or people who have. um witnessed some sort of gun violence, typically um is what you'll see that in. And do I'm pretty noise sensitive, too, and I have pretty strong reactions to. like loud banging noises, but a pen. dropping? When you're in a courtroom and there's. so much other things going on, I don't.

know. I might look, but like it was. weird. Everyone was like, "It's just. really not It It was gross.". Mhm. Yeah. So, the killer was just sitting there. clutching a stress toy because she had. PTSD from being arrested. Some of the most notable things to. happen during the trial included Dr. Crush taking the stand and stating that. he didn't believe Lucy was in love with. him. Lucy also testified to say that she. didn't love Dr. Crush and only ever saw. him as a friend.

Which I don't even know if I've ever. written my own husband's name with a. heart next to it in a journal somewhere. Like, okay, but also to do it over and. over and over again, like that's not. even love. I don't know what that is. That'd be just creepy. The prosecutors accused Lucy of killing. all those babies to get Dr. Crush's. attention. They said, "Lucy put those babies in a. crisis situation because it gave her. something to talk to Dr. Crush about.". I don't know. I feel like it's like way. more more than that. Like, the way that. she look up all the victim families, you know, just the things she does, like.

even writing letter to the family, getting their fingerprints and. footprints. Like, she's doing more to. get some reaction out of them. You know? Yeah, it's like I feel like there's. multiple things wrong with her. So, on. one hand, she gets off on grief. On the. other hand, she wants people to almost. baby her. Well, like, "Thank you. Thank you for. doing this. Oh, thank you so much for. this." Even the whole comfort blanket, it's like she wants people to baby her.

in a way. It's weird. Mhm. Or do you think even like those things. that she does is also just to bring more. reaction out of them. Here's [snorts] a. footprint. Like, cry more. Yes, you see them like get more sad. receiving that. Even the comfort blanket, that would. have a reaction from the family. same thing. It's like bring them into. that state of mind. Ah. [sighs]. She was sentenced to life in prison with. no chance of early release. The judge.

said that Lucy was especially cruel. because she was the person that was. supposed to take care of these babies. Some of these babies were only a day or. a few days old and it just takes a. special type of person. to hurt someone like that. You murdered seven babies. and attempted to murder six others. In the case of one of them, trying on. separate occasions, 2 weeks apart, to. murder her. You are now to be sentenced for your. crimes.

Lucy did not even show up to sentencing. She skipped it. Like she's just casually. skipping class. Okay, the victim's. families found it incredibly. disrespectful. It felt extra gross. It's. like, "Oh, if I show up to the trial, I. can try to get the jury on my side, but. they've already decided, so no point.". I didn't know you could skip that. Well, she had to go to the courthouse, but she was kept in the like the little. prison jail holdings that they have down. there. So, she's like, "I don't want to. go.". Yeah. Wow. Cuz her sentencing is going to be her. sentencing. It's not like cuz she skips. it, it's not going to happen. It's just.

going to happen without her. But, the. fact that she didn't go is just so. gross. It's like she doesn't need to try. and show up unless it helps her. Unfortunately, the one question that the. trial didn't adequately answer, at least. in a lot of people's opinions, was, "Why. the hell did she do it?". The prosecutors argued that she did it. for Dr. Crush's attention. But, I feel. like, again, there's so much more to it. I think that's why this case wasn't as. viral as it did. I think everyone was. sort of waiting for some sort of motive. so we could wrap our heads around it. But, that didn't even come during the. trial. Some argue that it was Munchausen.

by proxy. She wanted babies to die so. she could text her co-workers and. friends about how hard her life has. been. She wanted sympathy, attention, and praise from everyone around her. That could explain why she often texted. her friends and co-workers about how bad. her shift was going. But a lot of experts theorized that if. that was her ultimate goal, she would have done a bit more, they. think. Like she would have pretended to. save the babies and be hailed as some. sort of hero, or push them to the brink.

of dying and then quote bring them back, so to speak, so that she could receive. some sort of praise and admiration. Others think she did it specifically. just to get Dr. Cruse's attention and. somehow use these traumatic experiences. as a way to bond herself closer to him. so that maybe he could leave his wife. Maybe it was a shared experience that he. didn't have with his wife. Others. speculate that she just wanted infants. to suffer. Um, there was evidence that. she used tools to jam it into their. throats to make them bleed. Like, that.

to me is. just so graphic. So maybe it's the pain. aspect that she wanted and she's just a. sadistic killer. Some argue that she is the angel of. death, which is a type of serial killer. who is usually employed as a medical. practitioner or a caregiver that. intentionally kills people under their. care. So the angel of death typically. starts off by believing they're doing a. favor for the patient by killing them. because now they no longer have to feel. pain or suffering. They act like they.

think that I don't think deep down they. think that, okay? But usually this. escalates to them just killing people. with like common colds. And like reasonably healthy and easily. treatable patients, they'll just kill. them. Even the angel of death type can be. divided into three subgroups. You've got. the mercy killer. These are the ones. that like to live in this. self-praising delusional land where they. think that they're helping the sick. patients. But it's like, no, they have. the flu. You didn't need to kill them, right? But they like to convince. themselves. Then you have the hero of.

death types where the killer will. endanger someone's life to save them. Usually the victim doesn't even end up. surviving, but everyone around them. looks at them like, "Wow, you really. gave it your all. You really cared. Then lastly, you just have the sadistic. ones. The ones who exert power over. helpless victims. And it seems like Lucy. fits best in this this latter category. I mean, her text messages make me also. kind of lean towards the wannabe hero, but she just didn't do enough as a.

healthcare professional and I think that. she knew that. Like even Dr. J was like, she looks like she's acting busy. An expert said she committed her crimes. quietly. She wasn't playing some heroin. She didn't go out of her way to provoke. any attention, which is interesting. Some killers enjoy killing. They like. playing God. They get a kick and a. pleasure out of it. She causes harm and. purely just gets pleasure out of it. Yeah, that's what I think too. As I'm. listening is I feel like she has zero.

care for these babies. She doesn't even. see them as humans or she doesn't care. about them. I think her goal is not even. killing. Her goal is to see other people. suffer. So the parents. and everyone else suffering. And the. kids are the collateral of her. Yeah. trying to get see other people in pain. So she goes for the twins. She goes for. the moms again and again and again. Yes, okay. The twins thing, I was. thinking like I thought it was so.

interesting that there were a lot of. twins in today's case. I thought. originally maybe the doctors could sum. it up as some sort of genetic condition. So instead of like two separate babies. from two different families, if they're. from the same family, maybe it's. genetics, right? But as you're saying. that I'm like, oh, because after losing. one baby to lose another baby, it's. probably a different level of grief from. just losing one child. Not to compare, it's not a comparison game, but it's. like. a further enhancement of that grief that. maybe she wants to see. Yeah, she just saw that. She just saw.

this mom breaking down. Yeah. And now she's trying to do it again. Like. that's what she's feeding off on like. from what I'm hearing. Like that's so so. so so so sick. And the kids are just collaterals for. her to get there. Yeah. Like you know, like we talk about serial. killers. There's even killer years later. they feel regret, right? They're like, "Oh, this is consuming them." Like this. feeling is consuming them. Like she I. don't even think that crosses her mind. No. about what she does. She's just thinking.

about like the families, what they're. doing. And then she wants more of that. She's not feeling regret. She wants. more. Other people trying to block it. out, but she wants more. And she's hunting them down on Facebook? Yeah. Yeah, it's and I think also to go after. parents because you always hear like. losing a child is a very unique type of. grief nobody will understand. To go. after that strong of a grief, yeah, and it's just really twisted when. you think about how she was a baby in. the NICU at one point. Like she was in.

that position, but instead of a serial. killer nurse, she actually had a nurse. that did their job and probably cared. for her and really put in a ton of. energy to make sure that she would stay. alive. And that's the only reason that. she's alive. So for her to turn around. and now kill babies in the NICU, it's so. demented. So as of right now, Lucy's parents. firmly believe that she's still being. framed by the hospital. At one point. Lucy's mom was so upset she offered. herself up as tribute and she said, "No, this can't be right. I did it. Take me.

instead.". Which. yeah. Yeah. You may be surprised there's. actually a couple more people that. defend Lucy. She's got a quite a bit of. supporters. Most of them are her old. friends who knew her and one former. friend said, "Unless Lucy turned around. and said, 'I'm guilty,' I will never. believe that she's guilty. She is kind, gentle, and soft and I can speak for my. whole friend group that we just know. that she couldn't have done anything. she's accused of. So without a doubt, we. stand by her. I grew up with Lucy and. not a single thing that I've ever seen.

or witnessed about Lucy would lead me to. believe that she was capable of. something like this. I don't know. Maybe they got swept up in. Lucy's arguments about how she was a. scapegoat. I have to admit, some parts. of her arguments I was like, "Okay, yeah, I could see that. Maybe not in. this case, but I could see it.". But how can you argue the hospital's. mortality rates after Lucy was fired? Before baby Anthony died, the infant. mortality rate at Countess of Chester. was in line with the national average. Then it spiked to seven a year when Lucy. was working there. The infant mortality. rate after she was fired and arrested.

went back to one per 1,000 births. As of right now, Lucy is looking for a. retrial, and even if that happens, it'll. probably take another year or so. So, we'll just have to keep an eye out for. that for more information that comes. out. But baby Charlie's mother said, "I will always remember the overwhelming. wave of emotion that I felt when I first. held Charlie. I understood right then. and there the bond and immediate love. between a mother and their baby. The way he smelled, the feel of his fine. hair on my chin, my tiny feisty boy, my.

firstborn, my son. The trauma of that night will live with. us until the day we die. Knowing that his murderer was watching. us throughout these traumatic hours is. something out of a horror story. I blamed myself entirely for his death. I still live with the guilt that I. couldn't protect him in pregnancy or in. his short life. And in my darkest moments, I would open. up Charlie's memory box and I would. smell his familiar smell and I would. touch his handprint. His hand and. footprints were made into a pendant and.

I wore them around my neck. It made me. feel closer to him. When Lucy Letby was. first arrested, I felt like the first few moments, memories I had of my son were tainted. She had taken those footprints. I felt so conflicted, I stopped wearing. my necklace. But now that we know as much about. [music]. my child's death as I believe we will. ever know, I feel I'm able to wear his hand and. footprints again for the first time in 5. years. I now know that they represent.

the love that I have for my son and I. will not allow evil to taint that. And that is the story of Lucy Letby. The recent case of a nurse turned serial. killer. What are your thoughts? And please stay. safe. I mean, I'll see you guys on. Wednesday for the main episode. Bye.