Giggly Baby Face Killer Shows HS Friend CORPSE Asking “Are You Squeamish Around Dead Bodies?”

[Music]. bada beinging badao some friend groups. have tears for emergencies one friend. group set online they have specific. codes like the cops do for their. emergencies 971 is it's urgent I'm at. the store I'm trying on an outfit and. I'm waiting in the changing room while. there's a line forming outside to see if. I should buy these clothes and you need. to help me 951 is you just found out. that the person you went on two dates. with has a full-blown family 911 is you.

just found out that your dad has a side. full-blown secret family obviously those. are very extreme examples and I'm sure. it doesn't apply to high schoolers but. the 10th graders that Carly hangs out. with all had their little emergency. system and that is to basically just. mass text all of their friends telling. them my life is falling apart you need. to help me and quote I [ __ ] up March. 19th 2024 that's exactly what. 14-year-old Kari Greg text all her. friends after school one day and they.

start panicking recently Kari had just. been all over the place she's been. drinking gerx the hand sanitizer. technically the whole thing was a prank. they were like hey I dare you to drink. the hand sanitizer as a joke at least it. was supposed to be a joke but then she. actually drank it what yeah and there. was that incident where she brought a. knife to school and then she stole the. exam answers off the teacher's desk if. she's saying this is an emergency now. it's probably very serious.

what's going on Carly responds I [ __ ]. up I need help I need help when one of. her friends asks why I Can't Tell You. Why another guy friend asks should I. call 911 to which Kari responds you. can't do that one friend hops up on his. bike and starts making his way over. another friend she gets dropped off by. her dad because this seems very serious. and when she gets to Carly Greg's front. door cari's standing there she does not. appear to be in the middle of an.

emergency in fact she seems calm so what. was all of that Cari asks her are you. squeamish I need you to not freak out. I'm not going to freak out what's going. on you're not squeamish right have you. ever seen a dead. body kari's friend shakes her head no. and Cari brings her into her bedroom. where she looks down and on the ground. of 14-year-old Carly Greg's bedroom is a. dead body.

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to go viral and that's typically when. defendants hear that they have been. found guilty in some cases it might be. just the raw human emotion I mean you're. capturing this very intense. life-altering realization in real time I. mean you witness a person processing the. fact that their life as they knew it is. effectively over maybe it's like a. satisfying feeling you get as a viewer. knowing that justice has been served and. sometimes these guilty verdicts become. much more intense when you factor in. polling a jury that's a thing that's a.

thing and it's quite brutal if you're. found guilty of your charges because the. judge reads the final verdict of guilty. then they're going to make you sit there. while they ask each and every juror to. respond to juror number two is that your. verdict is that your verdict 12 times. you have to listen to most likely in a. guilty verdict each juror reconfirm yes. you are guilty you will spend the rest. of your life rotting in prison so. pulling a jury is just confirming double. check okay it's not done in every case.

but when it is done it's pretty brutal. but why do they do that one of the sides. will request it in advance so it takes. enough time and I think the repetitive. nature of it I think it really starts. feeling emotionally volatile for some. people and there is nothing you can do. but watch as your fate has been sealed. you can't beg the jurors to change their. mind you can't even talk to the judge. you also can't go and hug your family. that's sitting behind you in court you. just sit there and you listen for. 15-year-old Cari she has to sit there. and listen to 36 different is that your.

verdict yes guilty as to count one we. the jury find the defendant Carly. Madison Greg guilty of first-degree. murder is charged in the indictment. beginning on the first row ma'am is that. your verdict sir is that your verdict. yes sir ma'am is that your verdict sir. is vert ma'am is vert at first with the. judge reading guilty for her three. crimes she almost has no reaction and. then with each juror's confirmation her. face gets more red it's getting. scrunched up she starts sobbing and in.

the span of 5 minutes you see her go. through a whole chain of emotions she. hangs her head she looks like she's. trying not to act like this is happening. then her whole body is shaking from. crying and then she just stares from the. judge to the jury and almost this this. can't be happening I don't believe this. is happening face there's just no way. she keeps looking at her family sitting. behind her but they can't do anything. for her just 6 months ago 14-year-old. Kari Greg is Student of the Year at her. high school she's skipped a grade and.

was one of the highest academic. Achievers in her entire School everyone. said she had a lot of friends and was. quite popular what happened since March. 2024 and now September 2024 that she is. now sentenced to life and prison at just. 15 years old you say there's 36 juries. there's 12 jurors uhhuh but she's. convicted of three counts of a crime oh. so each person are asked oh okay three.

times each three different crimes she is. found guilty and each jur has to be. asked to confirm three different. verdicts wow okay now Carly Greg she. rarely gets into trouble she's the smart. kid her mom's the math teacher at their. High School her name is Mrs Smiley and. she's like a fan favorite with the. students Carly's friends let's call them. Jason and Jenny they start getting. worried for Carly recently March 2024. that's when everything starts feeling. very unsettling in fact she's just. acting very strange more risky with her.

life that morning in March her whole. demeanor feels off she looks Jed. secretive like she's hiding something. she's alone in the cafeteria and she. spilled her milk it's just weird it. feels like she's smoking weed again and. this is very unlike Kari she was never. really into drugs this is the same girl. that scored a 30 on the ACT already as a. sophomore that's higher than 93% of all. test takers and now she's smuggling and. knives getting caught going to her. teacher's desk stealing and taking. pictures of the exam getting caught.

passing that around this is just not. normal behavior for Cari Jason and Jenny. they come up with this plan today. they're going to distract Cari and tell. her mom everything it's going to be an. intervention will Kari be mad at them. probably if she finds out that it was. them but this is going to help her in. the long run get her act together the. plan is Jenny is going to take Cari on a. walk around the school distract her. after class Jason is going to go visit. Mrs Smiley's classroom and tell her what. he knows and Jason's smart with it he. even tells Ashley smiley 's mom don't.

confront Cari about it today that she's. hiding weed vape pens in her bedroom I. just don't want her to know that it was. me and Jenny that told you this he. thinks as long as Mrs Smiley listens to. him everything will be fine everything's. going according to plan school is. dismissed and as Jason bikes towards. Carly's house to check up on her after. school he sees police cars all parked. outside that day from the morning the. high school bell rang a series of events. would take place that would end in.

Murder Cari crawls out of the storm. drain you know those little parts next. to the sidewalk that has a gaping hole. in the ground and you get nervous. anytime your dog walks anywhere like 10t. near it you can crawl into those it's. not advised it's for storm water to. drain so that your street doesn't get. flooded she crawl out underground yes. it's cramped it's confined there is. typically a ladder it's typically very. dark very cold there's probably lots of. rats and very uncomfortable it's going.

to smell incredibly foul down there and. by the time she's crawling out there's. people waiting for her she's soaking wet. I mean considering the circumstances of. you know crawling out of a storm draam. she's remarkably calm she looks a little. confused a little uncomfortable around. these strangers but that's to be. expected when you get arrested and your. hands are getting swabbed for gunshot. residue and she's short she's like maybe. not even 5 ft tall at 14 years old she's. got this short brown bob she's wearing a. n on a shirt and she asked the officers.

what is this it's GSR it shows which. hand you shot with okay obviously you. fired with a pistol correct yes sir. she's very polite almost kind of. nonchalant like if you were to go to the. hospital and they ask you to take your. weight it's uncomfortable you're not. feeling the best but you're being polite. and you're letting them help you they. ask her which hand did you shoot with oh. um I don't remember and as they're. swiping her hands she asks is my steep. out okay I don't know baby I can't talk.

to you about that that's how a cop. responds I don't know baby yeah I do. think he doesn't mean it Strangely I. think it might be a southern thing this. is in uh. Mississippi step that okay I don't know. baby I can't talk to you. about are you okay yeah. fine the police step aside to talk to. each other out of Carly's view about. what just happened discussing which fa. facility they're going to take this.

teenage girl to and one cop turns to the. other and says she doesn't even know. about her mom she's over here asking. about is my stepdad okay when police. were called to their house they had. found Ashley the geometry teacher. Carly's mom dead her stepdad Heath had. been shot and Carly had been missing she. was found in the storm drain not even. like an hour later so what happened. people don't know what happened the. police need to figure it out and all the. answers are in this small camera that's. hiding inside the refriger Ator it's not.

normally placed inside the refrigerator. because why would one need a camera in. the refrigerator that's very odd it's. normally up on a high shelf in the. kitchen so you can see the whole back. door you can see the kitchen you can. even see a little bit of the living room. just outside but they find it behind. stacks of water bottles in the kitchen. as if someone was intentionally trying. to get rid of this camera in the. refrigerator yes cuz I guess the police. would look in the trash is it like a. ring camera type of yes and the police.

import the footage and they start. watching and I'm sure it's strange for. authorities to watch footage from inside. someone's house it's just weird when you. watch someone move about their space. this is publicly available I'll insert. it in the video but it's just it's odd. cuz it I mean these are actions that. people have when they think nobody is. going to perceive them their faces are. usually different too because they're. not trying to smile or make certain. faces cuz they're around people they're. just more relaxed the police click open. the first file from that day and at this. point this is what the police know. Ashley and Cari may have had a tense car.

ride home considering one of Carly's. friends told Ashley that she was having. problems with weed and had a burner. phone and she had weed vape pens hidden. in her bedroom and it's likely that. Ashley Smiley the mom was going to go. look for those weed pens in Carly's room. once they got home and they know that. Ashley Smiley the mother the math. teacher is found dead in Carly's room so. it's safe to assume that she's in there. right now when the video starts playing. cuz she's not in the video you see Carly. letting the family's two Golden.

Retrievers in from the backyard and. she's walking in through the back door. but her demeanor is interesting she's. almost sneaking back in she's walking. through the kitchen but she's careful. about each step trying to listen while. quietly going towards the living room. she's standing in front of the living. room she pokes her head out to the right. then to the left and then she listens. briefly and then starts swiftly quietly. moving towards the left she comes back. into frame holding something behind her. back did she hear someone is it like a.

possible Intruder what's going on at. this point the dogs are roaming around. freely in the house their tails are. wagging they're completely oblivious. they're having a good time is there an. intruder it doesn't make sense right you. see Kari go from the left side of the. hallway pass by the kitchen to the right. side of the house holding what appears. to be a gun behind her back it's on the. camera yes you don't see the gun that. well because she's hiding it but it it. appears to be a gun because right. afterwards you you hear a loud.

gunshot then dogs start pacing then you. hear a high-pitch squeal of some sort it. sounds like someone had been shot in. they're squealing then another two. rounds go. off and for a brief moment everything in. the kitchen freezes and then the dogs. start pacing the dogs are so anxious. they're confused they're trying to. figure out what's going going on Cari.

walks back into the kitchen. calm like gunshots did not just go off. in the house is she holding I the G. behind her back and she sits in one of. the counter stools facing the camera and. she places whatever was holding behind. her back down on the counter but you. can't see it and it seems. intentional and she grabs her phone and. starts messaging people her demeanor is. very bizarre considering three gunshots. just went off in her house she's hiding. right from the camera yes.

that's crazy so she's aware the camera. is recording right now everything she. does is on camera mhm that is so bizarre. she hides her whatever behind she starts. getting on her phone and her demeanor is. very strange one of her pinkies is in. her ear digging in her ear while she's. messaging her friends that's just how. casual everything. seems and then you. hear someone kind of moaned for help but. I think because of where the gunshots. were it sounds like someone's Last.

Breath but it almost sounds like a. humming noise like someone's singing. it's a little unsettling considering. when you know in. hindsight Cari perks up she listens. she's calm she's like an FBI agent. almost if I were watching a movie I. would think this kid is like an FBI. agent at the scene of the I'm ready to. go she's alert cool calm collected she's.

not pacing around like the dogs are she. just grabs the gun from behind her back. and then gets out of there briskly walks. to the right side again in fact the dogs. are looking at her trying to figure out. what to do they're terrified their tails. are down they're very panicked and by. the time that Cari comes back her mom is. dead there's no gunshot right no Cari. goes to the kitchen tells the dogs it's. okay and leads them back out to the. backyard she does not look phased even. in the slightest it looks like she's. just another kid back home from school.

but she's texting her friends it's an. emergency and one of them comes over and. she asks have you ever seen a dead body. are you squeamish I need you to not. freak out do you want to see one she had. been shot in the face she shot her mom. three times in the face then she asks. her friend can you wait outside in the. backyard so I can quote I put three in. my mom and I'm going to put another. three in my stepdad when he comes. home she had even taken her mom's phone. and texted her step dad you almost home.

honey question. mark Karly Greg the little girl of the. math teacher in high school the one that. skipped a grade because of how. intelligent she is she killed her mom in. Cold Blood and tried to kill her. stepfather too so what the hell is going. on in this house I don't understand she. doesn't end up killing Heath her stepdad. she ends up shooting him the bullet. grazes his trap muscle on his shoulder. and he manages to russle the gun from. her and she flees the house hiding in. the storm drain.

what's going on with the friend do we. have any details on what happened. traumatized they didn't expect to see a. dead body and now they're like Cari has. a gun and she's telling me to wait in. the backyard so I'm just waiting in the. backyard because I don't want to be shot. if I'm running away I mean they didn't. say exactly like that but it's pretty. clear that's what happened yeah now when. a 14-year-old kills anyone one of the. first questions is okay yes but are they. insane because any other option doesn't. make sense 14-year-old ads aren't. inherently evil are they I mean how can.

they be they look so young and naive she. must have some debilitating mental. condition that makes her legally insane. right Kari kept this journal where on. March 12th so a week before the incident. she writes I think I had a psychotic. break earlier the whole ordal was quite. silly I actually spoke with one of the. voices in my head well I didn't hear. them until earlier today but I only do. then my particular friend and I were. practically screaming bloodthirstiest I. mean thank God phys iCal confrontation. was not fruitfully possible I sound.

crazy I need to get back into the habit. of journaling I think it's good I. haven't quite decided if I will bring. this stupid thing to my therapist. tomorrow I just can't. decide then stuffed into that journal is. a loose piece of paper that's been. folded up and there's writing in the. middle that reads anywh who I don't. think I'll make it any longer then. scribbled all over the paper is please. help me please help me please help me in. different fonts different types of. handwriting I don't I'm sorry I'm sorry. please help me when asked about this. piece of paper Kari claims she has no.

idea what anyone's talking about making. it seem like she does not recall writing. anything like. that then another page in her journal. reads what do I believe there is no God. heaven and hell are fake you don't need. family writing your own destiny loving. yourself don't belong to anyone never be. alone go to your place of comfort often. sometimes you must blend in but never. forget it's okay to be evil sometimes. you must jump into the dark to truly see. the light death is.

inevitable another one reads water fire. earth I choose fire it's powerful. beautiful and deadly those are the. traits I desire so I choose fire another. one reads do I have schizophrenia am I. having a psychotic. break and one that reads I know one of. y'all will read this. journal she then gives a guideline on. gaslighting she writes take advantage. have happy hurting Life's greatest.

illusion is. innocence and there in the middle of. that page is a pencil stabbed hole where. she writes she stabbed it like Tom. Riddle which is Voldemort from Harry. Potter whose most famous line is there. is no good in evil there is only Power. and those too weak to seek it allegedly. Kari thought one day she was going to be. famous for making a nuclear bomb I don't. know so it's a lot to unpack and maybe. the prosecutors did not want to unpack. it they offered C and her legal team a. plea deal plead guilty for shooting and.

killing your mom in the face three times. and for shooting at your stepfather. plead guilty and we will give you 40. years in prison she'll be 54 when she. comes out or the other option is go to. trial it's your choice the ball is in. Carly's Park and the judge tells Carly. think very clearly about this because. either she gets the 40 years she could. be 54 when she gets out or the jury. could either acit her meaning she gets. no time or the court could sentence her. to two life sentences for murder and.

attempted murder and tampering with. evidence she can probably get out even. earlier than 54 no they said 40 years no. parole I believe oh okay Kari stands. before the judge and rejects the plea. deal that would probably be the third. worst choice in her life the first worst. would probably be shooting her mom then. shooting at her stepdad and now this all. right Miss uh Greg did you receive that. recommendation of 40 years yes sir and. it was your choice and your choice alone. to reject that recommendation yes your.

honor she now has to convince the jury. even with all that footage in the. kitchen the dog's going crazy that she. is insane she was lost in her mind in. those moments she also has to sit there. and listen to Heath her stepdad that she. tried to kill but was unsuccessful be. alive and sit on the witness stand to. talk about what happened that day Heath. Smiley is Ashley Smiley's husband Karly. Greg's stepfather he testifies and his. testimony has been quite controversial I. will say he does appear to be quite.

lethargic during most of it emotionless. even that was Carly screaming and he. heard me holler what's the matter but. remember this trial is actually. exponentially Speedy I mean most murder. trials they take years for the. prosecution and the attorneys to get. through all the evidence and Discovery. and all of that this happened 6 months. after the crime so it's it's very fresh. everything is incredibly raw still he. could be medicated he could be Al. guarding himself to protect himself.

there's a lot of reasons he could not be. emoting the way we want him to but on. the stand he talks about how he and. Ashley got married a few years ago in. 2020 they met in 2019 the way he. describes his wife as um super nice real. smart he's not karly's biological father. but he felt like she was his biological. daughter the whole family they were. still in this honeymoon phase they would. go out he would take Kari to karate. lessons guitar lessons and then. obviously everything changed March 202. four he walked in through the door after.

work and saw a gun go off right next to. his face he was maybe in the door 3 4 in. the gun was about a foot from his face. the bullet grazed through his shoulder. trap muscle. area and Heath's 911 call is played for. the court where he does not sound like. himself the 911 operator kept calling. him ma'am he's very incredibly.

distraught it sounds like the adrenaline. is overpowering and he can't even. control his breathing he isn't even able. to tell the operator his address he's. just screaming he's screaming that his. stepdaughter had shot him he managed to. take the gun from her but she ran out. the back door and Cari is the most. emotional during the entire trial when. she hears Heath's 911 call probably more. emotional than when she is being read. her final verdict really yeah what was. her emotion just snot dripping down her. nose.

sobbing your daughter tried to shoot. you shoting at. me where she. is how old is she. 14. 14 I mean I can see potentially why I. mean when Heath discovers his wife. Ashley is dead he sounds a bit like a a. wounded animal I mean I say that to.

paint a picture for you it's pretty. heartbreaking he screams she killed her. she killed her mom she killed her mom. she's dead on the floor of my daughter. stepdaughter's room she's on the floor. when the dispatched officer arrives at. the house you can hear Heath screaming. inside the house he's finally able to. open the door he can barely stand up. straight once he gets out the front door. of his house he falls onto the ground he. has his back up against the wall he can. barely. talk what hey come on hey come here Hey.

where's your wife at Bud where's your. wife at she's down on the floor in that. room the officer runs inside looks for. Ashley and when he walks out Heath is. laying on the floor on the. porch does she still have the gun it's. on the kitchen counter think coming in. the back door she Tri to shoot me. and 6 months after this Heath is on the.

stand testifying and a lot of the. questions were about Carly's mental. state prior to the incident he says. Carly's biological dad was just not a. great person he terrorized both Ashley. and Carly that Cari told them that. whenever she went to hang out with her. biological dad for required visitation. custody he would do really questionable. things like blow smoke in her face do. drugs in front of her at one point she. reportedly told Heath that her. biological dad forced her to drink a. beer when she was 12. that Ashley would do anything for Cari.

they had such a good relationship but. because Ashley had lost a child. previously to a genetic condition it. seems like perhaps she was a tad bit. more on the worried parenting side which. I mean these days isn't the worst thing. also since her former ex cari's. biological dad struggles with drug usage. it seems like Ashley was very sensitive. to anyone doing drugs around her. especially her 14-year-old child for. good reason Ashley is in fact so scared. of her first husband the biological Dad. she keeps a loaded weapon under the.

mattress of her bedroom that's the one. that Cari grabbed to kill her mom which. Heath said he was shocked by he said. that morning was as normal as it could. be I mean everything was normal nothing. was even slightly different at one point. he States after the chaos was over he. realized the garage had a camera set up. inside the garage he went home after. being released from the hospital he. found the SD card he tried to copy the. card onto his computer and he also. called the police but instead of copying. the videos to his computer it moved the.

videos to his computer then he found the. camera hidden inside the fridge he. called for the police for that as well. he did everything to be cooperative but. apparently the vibe he got back from. authorities were that they were treating. him strangely the authorities gave him. what appears to be lectures on quote. tampering with evidence cuz he had. copied the files from the SD card and he. said that he stopped working with the. authorities and hired an attorney at. that point he states that he loves Cari. like his own biological child and. believes the only reason she would have. shot him was perhaps she did not.

recognize him maybe she thought he was. an intruder or. something the prute so he saw the. footage right yeah the same footage you. just described yes but he's saying she. must not have been in her right. mind the prosecutors ask Heath to. identify the person in court today that. shot at him point to that person in. court they do this often and he looks at. Cari points and he smiles and she smiles. back and they both smile at each other. because Heath is in full support of his.

stepdaughter there is a lot of discourse. about Carly's stepfather primarily. because there's this one clip that's. going viral where Heath is in court he. smiles at Carly and I don't know what he. mouths but it sounds like he mouths I. love you to her which I mean stepdads. love their stepdaughters but I guess. people just thought it was weird so. there is a lot of discourse about the. stepdad and I do want to mention that. this is not normally I would include in. one of our episodes I think it's really.

dangerous to talk about these types of. theories that have no proven basis yet. orever but it's just such a big part of. the discourse of the case that it would. be nearly impossible to bring you a. comprehensive overview of what happened. without including it and a lot of it has. to do with the interactions during the. trial now I don't think most of us are. trained Behavior analysts nor do we know. these people personally nor do we have. access to their personal devices so keep. that in mind these are just theories. circulating on the internet Heath Smiley.

is not a known suspect of any sort of. crime in fact he is a victim in this. case unless there's any new developments. that suggest otherwise which I don't. know if there will be but until then. he's honestly just a victim and these. theories. are a little unhinged sometimes so there. is this wildly circulating theory that. somehow Heath is involved in the murder. again just to reiterate this is a pretty. high-profile case if there was evidence. he was involved I would have to hope. that law enforcement would have found it. and I just don't see why they would do.

anything to protect Heath but the theory. that is mainly based on gut feeling and. Court Clips some nens think there's no. way that Heath is able to forgive Carly. for something like this there's just no. way there have been arguments by neens. who State even if that was your. biological child that killed your wife. it would be hard to forgive and they're. saying like as parents I'm saying this. I'm not a parent I wouldn't know they. say even if this was a stepdaughter that. you raised from birth since she was a. day old it would be hard to forgive but.

they State it's even stranger when you. realize that Heath only met Carly and. Ashley in 2019 so Karly was maybe around. 10 years old 11 years old I'm sure. they've bonded I'm sure there's a strong. relationship they say but they argue. that it's just not enough time they. believe to form a bond so strong that. you would want to stand by her side. through all of this not only did she. shoot and kill your wife she tried to. shoot and kill you a lot of parents were. commenting saying even if my biological. child that I birthed and raised from the.

minute that they came out of me if they. tried to shoot and kill me I don't know. if I could forgive them would you really. have such a strong bond that you raised. after four or five years this child that. you would rather than your own. self-preservation people are saying if. she's free she could easily try to quote. finish the job if you will and kill him. neens are also confused by the fact that. there was a protective order put in. place where kly and Heath were not. allowed to communicate for Heath's. safety but Heath the stepdad requested. it for it to be lifted he has been. speaking with Kari ever since while.

she's been in prison awaiting trial they. talk nearly every day it appears then. there's the whole thing with the SD card. being copied onto his computer and the. police having to have a conversation. with him about touring with evidence he. lawyered up after that some netizens. thought that in addition to everything. that else is strange the SD cards is. strange what if he wanted to make sure. there was nothing on. there but just to clarify Heath was. never considered a suspect a few other. parts that nens point out is obviously. the fact that he's forgiving of Carly.

and that he's supporting her but later. when the defense asks him what his. wedding day to Ashley was like and how. Carly was that day he says Cari was just. her normal wonderful self all day a lot. of nens think just the way he describes. Cari to them does not come off as very. honest but overly perfect they feel like. he fully works for the defense in trying. to help her he's bringing up stories of. how smart she is how friends depend on. her she's so sweet so happy so bubbly. she loves the dogs when nzen writes. there is no way she was this calm.

peaceful and sweet all the time she was. taking medications getting therapy. self-medicating I mean something was. clearly wrong so what is this one nzen. writes defense will love his testimony. no justice for his wife only Carly I. guess others state that Heath smiles. more when he talks about Cari than when. he talks about his own wife Ashley I did. notice it but I did notice it once. someone pointed it out so I don't know. um and when did you and Ashley Smiley M. uh spring of.

2019 um and at some point did you and. Ashley Smiley end up marrying each other. did in June of 2020 oh where' youall get. married we actually went up to. Gatlinburg when things opened back up. after Co tell us about yours and Carly's. relationship before March 19th. 2024 we were always good we laugh and. played and messed around Love video. games and and um took her.

to karate stuff until she kind of got. tired of that and she started going to. guitar practice weekly so I was taking. her to that every week one nison writes. I don't think I'm accusing him of. anything inappropriate just stating that. he's acting very strange it's weird. defending the child you only knew for 3. years that tried to kill you now others. argue that not everyone has to be. skeptical of innocent people and victims. they argue yes these types of cases have. happened before where stepdads will. groom the children and then might even.

try to get them to kill the mom or a. foster child will you know there have. been some cases of that it's a lot but. they argue even when he's talking about. their family life it just seems like a. man who actually enjoyed his new life. with his family and his new kid he talks. about how he and Ashley surprised Cari. with their second golden retriever it. just sounds like very fond memories for. him which they find enduring that he and. both Cari are able to think back to. those positive memories other people are. saying this is just unfair that you're.

accusing him because first of all he's a. victim there's no proof and if there was. law enforcement would have found it by. now and second of all it's almost. perpetuating this narrative that. stepfathers cannot love their. stepchildren without being. creeps so they're saying it's just why. can't we just be nice parents and not be. misconstrued as creeps that are trying. to groom their step kids I mean they're. both smiling when he's talking about it. and if you listen to the footage they. released in court you hear him get shot. yeah in the garage footage you hear a.

bang go off and then you hear screaming. and then a few more bangs go off and. then you see Carly and her friend. running jumping the fence from the back. door also the 911 call I mean that that. was a very intense 911 call I just don't. know how someone would fake that kind of. emotion if he did that's that's an Oscar. winning performance as for getting an. attorney it makes total sense they say. you don't want to talk to a police. officer without an attorney present as. well as the fact that they took his ID. and didn't give it back to him and they. kept giving him him these weird lectures. of tampering with evidence when if he.

was suspicious why would he even call. them about the SD cards the police. weren't even looking for SD cards they. didn't even know the existence of these. cameras so it's not like where are the. SD cards he called it and then willingly. gave it to them so they're like no he's. never even been considered a suspect. these group of nens comment if you have. ever had severe trauma or PTSD I mean. you know not to judge this man you. detach you learn to compartmentalize the. trauma another one reads this is a.

trauma response it's called. compartmentalizing stop victim shaming. and blaming another one reads everyone. really needs to stop with the. accusations against the stepdad if you. don't think that detectives and. prosecutors haven't already checked out. that angle you're nuts further if there. were something there with the stepdad. her defense attorneys would be using it. as part of her defense because then she. could say that she was coerced or. manipulated into doing these things by. another adult another suspects that he. might just be very medicated right now. and I will say I think it would be. really hard to fake that 911 call one.

nzen comments the grief in his cries for. his wife is Earth shattering or I don't. feel that he's covering up or hiding. anything I think this is a man destroyed. he's just numb he's answering all the. questions asked that's my opinion others. think not only do they feel bad for. Heath but it just shows how good Carly. is at manipulating people she fooled her. friends she tricked her mom her. psychiatrist and now her stepdad. especially because he's in such a. vulnerable vable State he might feel. almost to a degree trauma bonded to.

Carly in a sense Karly might be the only. other person that went through what he. went through that day or maybe even. helping her will give him a purpose to. try and offset the bad some neens have. speculated or perhaps it's the guilt of. missing your wife and knowing that. perhaps Ashley would not want her. daughter to be rotting in prison for the. rest of her life one netizen comments I. feel he's being manipulated by Ki and is. making himself look like a creep for. defending her which many netizens can. see just the way he talks about Cari it. sounds like someone who has been Charmed.

almost when he talks about how. intelligent she is he states she was. always complaining to us that kids. constantly bug her for help with school. work because she can do all of it so. easily and she can explain it to them. better than most teachers and she got so. tired of them coming to her for stuff. she loves school but she was almost. bored with school a lot of days even. though she was in the advanced classes. she was a lightyear ahead of everything. they're teaching you know anything new. she picks up and just wants to be a step. ahead of the teachers. at one point the defense attorney asks.

in all the time that you've known Cari. would you describe her as callous no. calculating no not except um except with. math and he smiles and Carly. Smiles so karly's grandparents have also. been in attendance Ashley's parents it. seems she smiles at them whenever she. comes into the courtroom so people use. that as proof that karly's just very. manipulative it seems do we see the the. grandparents reaction yes um not in the.

high emotional moments but when she. smiles at them and they're typically. stoic and smiling. back yeah there might be a legal aspect. to all of this too some people say no. he's not defending Carly because he is. like doing something weird with Carly it. might be because he's trying to protect. himself technically the gun used to. shoot Ashley is registered to Heath. Heath knows that prior to this she was. seeing a therapist and Kari was mentally. unstable some medicin that could fall on. Heath he could get some sort of charges.

for having his gun so easily accessible. because recently with all the other. happenings the school shootings that has. been the case where parents know that. their children are mentally unstable and. still let them have access to weapons. they also get charged which rightfully. so but some people think he's doing this. defense of like no nothing was wrong. nothing was wrong so that he doesn't get. legally held potentially for having her. have access to the weapons wow so some. people are saying it's not a weird thing.

he's doing this for his legal thing and. that's probably why he also got an. attorney I don't know about this Theory. I don't know if the police would have. charged him with anything but a lot of. netizens have been pointing it out also. there were a lot of guns in that house. there was also a shotgun and an AR. unloaded but in the closet but still one. that is in rights hearing that the gun. was insecured under the bed it feels. like all of this could have been. prevented or reduced with proper gun. safety so that's one of the theories and. then I will say a good chunk of people. fall into the category of I don't know.

but it's definitely weird they comment. very weird reactions from the stepdad. but I guess people deal with trauma. differently I don't know one of the. reasons that this case starts going. viral recently is not just her. interactions with her stepdad whom she. tried to kill but Kari has very. interesting Court appearances and she. just behaves a bit interesting a lot of. neens have opinions on how she looks. what she's wearing how she cries so. people point out that she was arrested. in a Nirvana shirt and her hair was in. this almost sporty looking Bob but now.

she's got this Bob with bangs she is. kind of leaning into this Doll Girl type. of aesthetic I don't know obviously. nobody expects her to show up in court. with her Nirvana shirt on but some. netizens think that she's clearly. clearly dressing in a way that is very. reminiscent of Catholic school girl. outfits plaid dresses collar dress. shirts Cardigans with gold buttons all. the way fril sleeves some netizens. comment who thought dressing her up like.

an 8-year-old would be. believable I don't know the outfit makes. her look more evil the little Catholic. school girl thing does not work on us. they also say with her hair the short. hair with the bangs and the outfits they. say she looks like the girl from the. movie Orphan which makes this. creepier but some commentators think. it's working they write I mean she's got. that little pumpkin face this little Bob. she looks very innocent others make. comments about how the defense is. working overtime with her styling saying. surprised they didn't just put her in.

something pink with unicorns on it yeah. so that's that's been a huge topic of. conversation I will say her baby face is. kind of out of this world she does look. a lot younger than she is and defense. attorneys to their defense will Coach. their clients on what to wear how to. dress but more so than her attire I. think it's her demeanor I mean the first. day she looks a bit more distressed but. other than that most of the time she. looks like she's seen crazier stuff like. more exciting stuff she looks like she's. in the pews of Easter Sunday church.

sermon she looks kind of disinterested. she's very emotional during Heath's 911. call when that's played she's pretty. engaged when Heath is on the stand and. she's the most locked in when the. defense expert the psychiatrist goes up. there to talk about how mentally unwell. she is what is she doing she just locked. in locked. in so fascinating. like what are they saying just talking. about her just that she has potentially.

schizophrenia she's bipolar she was not. of her right mind over the last 5 years. she thought about 60% of her time in a. depressed state about 20% of her time in. a hypomanic state and about 20% of her. time in a normal mood state so I gave. her the diagnosis of bipolar 2 disorder. the locked in is weird. she's fascinated by how someone. perceives her how this expert perceives.

her there is an authoritative look to. her when she's locked in it's not like. oh my gosh I'm so nervous what's. happening like I don't understand these. words he's saying it's almost analytical. studying which is kind of it was a. little creepy at times yeah it was a. little unsettling she does Giggle and. smirk a lot during the trial there was. one time what okay there was one where. the prosecutors expert went up there and. he's talking about yeah I don't think.

she's crazy I read through her journals. I spoke with her I'm a psychiatrist I. don't think she's crazy and like the. whole Tom Riddle thing that's from Harry. Potter and he's talking about the. connections with Harry Potter and all. these villains she seems to have an. obsession with villains and she just. smirks a full. smirk Tom Riddle is uh from Harry Potter. series and he turns into Lord voldemar. and he's evil and so in her journal she. talked about Harley Quinn war.

crimes Tom Riddle sometimes she's. giggling with her attorneys I don't know. if they're writing something but there. she she'll just giggle she scribbles. something on a piece of paper her. defense attorney and I don't know what. the context is but she thinks it's. hilarious and she just starts giggling. it's just not appropriate another point. of frustration for nison is she really. only cries when someone calls her a. victim of some sort she just can't help. but cry and there are other times when. her defense attorneys talk about how. close she is with her mom she starts. blinking rapidly her lips get thin and.

she starts nodding up and down like yes. yes we were a lot of people feel like. it's very forced you tell me she also. does this thin lipped looking down shy. smile when the defense like talks about. her grades and how smart she is like oh. stop stop I'm. embarrassed or when the defense talks. about how she's not a deranged child. she's not a trouble child she does these. strange little like no head [ __ ] akes. and her lips are thin like she's trying. to cry and she just shakes her head no.

it's just it feels like she's very. performative for the jury and it's just. doesn't feel natural a lot of the it's. not working no a lot of the comments. read me when I force myself to cry. sometimes she'll have these moments. where she just looks straight into the. camera of the live streaming court stuff. where it just feels like she's breaking. the fourth wall the whole thing is. unsettling she'll just stare straight. into the camera many nens also point out. that she just C is at weird times I mean. she could be in her head but she'll just.

start busting out into tears while. they're swearing in a witness like a. random witness like a police officer. who's probably not going to say anything. crazy but she'll just start crying while. they're being sworn in it's just very. odd on top of that when a state witness. so her opposition if you will if they. State something about her that puts her. in a negative light she'll just. sometimes smirk here and there and then. she'll like take these side glances to. her stepfather who's sitting in the. court supporting her and then they'll. smile at each other and her behavior is.

definitely unsettling and it's not. working in the defense's favor because. their whole argument here is that Cari. is insane they state that prior to this. Cari has they're saying she is like the. poster child of for someone who might. have a psychotic break they're saying. that her biological father is bipolar. now the state brought up an expert who. said well I went through her father's. medical records because I was allowed to. and I saw that he had a 1-hour.

consultation with the doctor and they. diagnosed him with bipolar disorder. bipolar 2 to be exact but 1 hour is not. enough and that same doctor prescribed. him Aderall which is an ADHD medication. and this psychiatrist for the state is. saying that is not common when you have. someone with bipolar 2 you would be very. very hesitant and careful to prescribe a. controlled substance like Aderall the. defense ALS o states that her dad is. schizophrenic and they state that that.

means Karly has a higher chance of being. schizophrenic but he has never been. diagnosed at least from what the state. could find of having schizophrenia they. state that prior to this Kari was seeing. a therapist here and there for a few. weeks because she was just having um. bouts of depression she just became very. lethargic her mom was really worried. about her she would go see this. therapist like once or twice a week. never mentioned hearing voices but. suddenly in prison after the murder she. reports that she's been hearing voices. since she was a little kid the states.

experts argue that's actually not very. realistic people don't start hearing. voices when they're 7 years old maybe. it's an internal monologue that they. mistake as a voice in their head but. these hallucinations don't come in that. early and that. consistently they also state that Karly. was put on anti-depressants she was. first put on Zoloft and that made her. feel like a quote zombie they switched. her medication to Lexapro they think. that that medication switch also caused.

a psychotic break in her head the state. is arguing Lexapro usually causes self-. exit ideations not homicidal ideations. so this just doesn't make sense either. like are we really pulling the Lexapro. defense because it doesn't really work. the defense also States the weed the. self-medicating was also very volatile. for her mental state which most people. argue it's just weed she should not be. doing it at 14 but it's just weed and a. lot of comments were saying she was. doing meth cocaine crack all these. things I might be like okay yeah that.

could probably cause a psychotic break. but weed people were saying it doesn't. make any sense they also state that. coupled with sudden disappointment that. she knew her mom was feeling because on. the way home she found out that her mom. found out that there were vape pens in. her room she didn't want to feel that. disappointment because she loves her mom. so much that it rendered her into a. state of psychosis and then she murdered. her mother in a state of psychosis. so would I say out of all the insanity. defenses that I've researched before is.

this a good one I would say it's. probably one of the worst ones worst. ones especially for a 14-year-old I feel. like you could have done an okay job. considering her age what do you mean you. could have done an okay job because. she's already 14 she's been in therapy I. feel like there would have been a lot of. ways for a good defense attorney to try. and spin a whole story about how she's. unwell I don't think it would have been. believable in the end but these defense. attorneys were very questionable really.

yeah I think they were probably yeah one. of the worst defense attorneys I've. seen yeah and the biggest thing is the. defense states that before Kari shot her. mom she blacks out doesn't remember. coming home okay she gets home blacks. out shoots her mom she comes to in the. storm drain she crawls out of the storm. drain but the state points out the fact. that in the body cam footage her hands. are getting swabbed and then she. confirms it's a pistol she asks about. her stepdad so they're asking okay how.

could you black out and still remember. those things additionally her. psychiatrist is stating that she is. having these nightmares where she hears. gunshots go off and this is in prison. while she's awaiting trial now the state. argues if you blacked out you don't. remember so why would you have these. PTSD like dreams about it if you don't. recall that if that's not something that. you did how could you have nightmare. mares about it and then also they argue. that her journal it sounds like someone.

who wants it to be read it sounds kind. of like um like a little kid reads a. book on psychosis and then writes a. journal about it and the journal was. written all like recently yes like how. recent was it within the oldest entry I. think they brought up into evidence was. maybe a few months old oh there was one. in. 2023 so like 11 months before she. allegedly I'm a schizophrenic person I'm. crazy I miss the comfort of being sane I.

just want to find true love then maybe I. wouldn't be so crazy I'm scared I need. help something along those lines and the. psychiatrist for the state was like. again it just sounds like every symptom. in the book that she's trying to. replicate into this journal it sounds. very villainous all these things are a. little bit odd and it just and the way. that she writes about hearing voices she. writes it's silly actually the state. psychiatrist says if you've met anyone. with auditory hallucinations they would. never trivialize it they would never say.

it's silly actually because these are. real to them it's so traumatizing it's. so haunting for them they're terrified. of these voices they're not going to. downplay it and say ah I'm just so silly. I hear these voices I see yeah and also. Heath his whole argument in support of. Carly was trying to argue that it seemed. like Cari was out of her mind she didn't. even recognize him when she shot at him. that's how he said it but she did text. on her mom's phone you coming home honey.

like it's very clear that she's luring. him in additionally one of the main. notes of her psychiatrist that was. seeing her prior to the. murder was that Kari reported being. angry with her friends because they. weren't as serious as her the. psychiatrist wrote she never reported. hearing voices she was just kind of rude. to people she felt were not as smart as. she was she felt like she was losing. patience with her teachers it seems like. she gets off on being better than others. she would tell her therapist in almost a. bragging way that she was reading Crime.

and Punishment which is about a main. character who is obsessed with his own. intellectual superiority that he starts. planning to murder someone to get away. with it and he does in fact murder. someone and his whole life starts. unraveling he descends into a very scary. state of paranoia self-loathing he's. being hunted by a detective till he's. ultimately confessed and is sentenced to. hard labor and they report that she does. seem to have these very strange wants to. appear certain way but that was about it. other than that she seemed a little.

depressed the state argues Cari likely. heard her mom in her room finding her. vape pen that's why she was. listening then she walks with purpose. quickly directly to where the object is. that could kill her mother in her mom's. room is the gun under the mattress to me. that sounds like an intact motor. function it shows coordination and it. suggests a specific intent she did not. walk to the kitchen and grab a banana. which is something something that many. psychotic patients would do like when. they're in psychosis in a state of.

psychosis a lot of the times when people. are in a state of psychosis they don't. harm others they end up harming. themselves by accident she walks. directly to where the sole object is. that could kill her mother retrieves it. in a very methodical manner she Peaks. around the corner while hiding this. object these are high functioning things. that take several areas of the brain. it's almost predatory in my opinion that. is the statement of the states expert. and even when the two shots to Ashley's. brain he believes it takes Marksmanship.

that shows a high level of brain. functioning to shoot someone in the head. like that he says if he were to describe. the crime the psychiatrist States the. word would be. diabolical and in fact he States Kari is. actually quite charming and manipulative. in a sense he says she's very likable I. liked her I don't like saying any of. these. things wow. yeah wow so with the closing statements. the defense States if Carly is so. diabolical so smart so callous why is.

this so dumb essentially they ask. nothing about this looks like a well. planned out scheme much of what she did. seem senseless why plan to shoot your. stepfather and invite friends over that. makes no sense why wouldn't she. immediately just run away I hope none of. us are ever judged by the worst moment. of our lives but rather our whole lives. as a whole and when you look at the. facts of this case as a whole and the. picture of who Karly Greg is on the. whole you'll see this wasn't a bad kid. this wasn't a kid who was enraged this. was a kid experiencing significant. mental health issues and health issues.

that were running in her family that we. know are hereditary this is a kid that. was compliant with the medication that. she was put on however that medication. caused her symptoms to worsen and while. she was having a state of psychosis in. that episode of acute stress she lost. herself in what was The Perfect Storm. I'm asking you for those reasons to. please find Karly Greg Not Guilty by. reason of insanity and finally quell. this storm for Kari Greg and her family. the prosecutor State the defense wants. you to believe that from the time she.

took the dogs out she blacked out well. that's a real convenient time to be. blacked out which she still has the. wherewithal to enter her mom's code into. her phone and text someone specific and. that specific person is her stepfather. Heath Smiley when are you going to be. home honey they go on to argue yes she. has mental health problems quote those. records State she has anxiety and. depression ladies and gentlemen it's. indisputed that anxiety and depression. don't cause you to kill someone as for. her hearing voices or having lapses in. time you did not hear that from any. provider that's ever seen Carly before.

the crime was it a perfect plan no. nobody ever said it was perfect that's. why we're here but that is not Insanity. in the end Kari was found guilty they. are appealing her sentence but a lot of. netizens have a lot of thoughts even. with this verdict the netizens who. believe that Kari should have been found. insane Not Guilty by reason of insanity. they write damn some of you guys are. brutal she's a baby she doesn't even. have a fully developed front Al cortex. things happen to children that develop. these behaviors they're born innocent.

she's remorseful it happens sometimes 14. is a child I know she took a life but. her brain is not fully developed we're. watching more and more children being. treated like adults I'm torn the crime. is really bad yet we are dealing with a. child physically mentally and. emotionally poor Cari the way her. stepfather Smiles at her and has a good. relationship with her I remember I. started seeing a psychiatrist at 14. because I was bipolar they had her on. medication maybe she just flipped out. the others that do not believe she was. insane at the time of the crime that she.

knew what she was doing they write the. fact that she shot her mom came to the. kitchen and was messaging someone heard. her mom screaming and then went back to. check up on her she was fully aware of. what she was doing another writes oh Cry. Me a River she's always trying to make. herself cry but it's not working. sociopaths always forget to produce. Tears in their performances I believe. those tears are real tears I just don't. believe this was mental illness is. another comment she cries for herself. and herself only she ugly snot cried to. today because it suddenly became very. real for her that she will spend the. rest of her life in prison I don't know.

after hearing from her therapist nothing. sounds like insanity sounds like a very. intelligent girl who for all intents and. purposes is now trying for some Insanity. defense still don't know if life is the. answer but she should have taken that. 40-year. plea others just focus on the evidence. in the trial like the footage of the. dogs they write the body language of. these dogs really makes it sink in for. you they instantly went from Tales. wagging excited to see their owners to. scared frantic and Confused conf used. animals are so. perceptive wait what happened with the.

dog after the gunshots they start pacing. like they look very anxious and. stressed others are just using that as a. chance to bully a 14-year-old they write. it's the chin pimples for me hope they. sell Proactive at the commissary in. prison others are just talking about her. strange courtroom cries and smiles they. write it's the fake convulsions and.

strained face for me others think Kari. is enjoying the trial and they write. look at her she's both horrified and. fascinated by what she's done she has. been sentenced to life in prison for the. murder of her mother the attempted. murder of her stepfather and 10 years. for tampering with evidence her. attorneys have expressed disappointment. and they what temper with evidence oh. hiding the cameras oh okay yeah they. state that Karly knows this is not the. end meaning they're going to be. appealing the verdict which could be. possible I imagine if she claims.

ineffective counsil there were Parts. where the defense was just doing things. and I'm like what is the purpose of this. for example the body cam footage where. Kari is arrested and her hands are being. swapped the defense kept bringing up the. fact that one of the officers muted his. body cam after swabbing Carly's hands he. states that he did it because he and the. other officers were talking about. Personnel issues like who's going where. and who's taking where who and those are. lots of officers names that don't need. to be included in this evidence right. right and it's not like they were. interacting with Carly at the time that. they muted it they were stepped off to.

the side there were other officers with. Carly but the defense kept stating it. was strange it's against protocol is it. not is it not and everyone was like I. mean it is he did break protocol but. what does that have to do with Carly cuz. it's not like he has any incentive or. motive or there's no suspicion that he. was trying to help Carly not help Carly. in any way yeah it's unrelated right yes. but they were just kept going on it like. you broke admit it you broke protocol a. lot of the experts stuff didn't make. sense they state that she was diagnosed.

after the murder with bipolar 2 and was. having auditory hallucinations her whole. life but auditory hallucinations can. happen to those with bipolar 2 but. aren't as common so everything just felt. very. wishy-washy I don't know she could have. bipolar 2 she could have been having. auditory hallucinations but it just. nothing made sense in fact they just. basically went up there and read someone. the dsm5 as what it felt like they were. like you know what it could have been. this which symptoms include blah blah.

blah blah blah dm5 is the diagnostic. manual for a psychiatrist it just felt. not specific to Carly and just more so a. regurgitation of information of things. that could possibly happen to someone. when they have maybe certain conditions. it just didn't make. sense and some comments just read this. is Justice she could have admitted guilt. and got in parole after 40 years but she. didn't she didn't admit anything and now. she gets life in prison and will never. be released she chose this another.

comment reads she is truly shocked she. thought because she was 14 and looks 12. that it was going to go in her favor. another comment reads the thought of. someone carrying their own killer in. their stomach for 9 months is truly. creepy to me and depressing another just. reads adult decisions have adult. consequences what are your thoughts on. this case it seems like everybody is. very divided some people think that she. should just be hospitalized others think. that she should be acquitted I would say. most are pretty happy with this.

conviction but they wonder if there's a. lot of other theories roaming around. what are your thoughts why do you think. she killed her mom just pure evil some. people were saying this is like a serial. killer in the making but a lot of people. were also arguing it doesn't make sense. she doesn't have these trademarks that. you see in a lot of serial killers it it. just feels off. I don't know what are your thoughts. leave it in the comments please stay. safe and I will see you in the next one.