Epstein Survivor’s Memoir Names Politicians LINKED To Epstein List But Passes Before Publishing

Bada bing, bada boom. >> You have a friend and you find out that. your friend is cheating on their. partner. Your friend doesn't explicitly. tell you that this needs to be kept a. secret, but it does kind of feel like. private information. It's not something. that you're going to post about online. But within the next few weeks, you keep. running into your friend and their. partner who's getting cheated on at all. of these social gatherings, and you. start getting this feeling that all your. other friends are starting to change. their perception of the person getting. cheated on. They don't know that they're.

getting cheated on, but they just feel. like maybe the partner is doing. something wrong because there's tension. in this relationship. Everybody is. believing that the victim's reputation. is the one getting ruined, even though. they don't even know that they're. getting cheated on. So now you are in a. pickle. You have a few choices. Either. you confront your friend and you tell. them if you don't come clean, I'm going. to have to tell somebody. Or you go. directly to the friend's partner so that. they can make an informed decision with. knowing all the facts. Or you believe,

look, it's not my business. I'm not. going to get involved. My friend is also. the one cheating. So there is a level of. loyalty. And I mean, even if you were to. mention it to all the people who are. judging the victim, it would just create. this unnecessary drama. It's not even. like you witnessed it happen. If you. chose that you would rather confront. your friend or even their partner. privately to tell them what's going on, you are more likely to be a. whistleblower, whether that be against a. religious entity, a corporate. organization, the government. And I.

don't think this is like the litmus test. of whistleblowers. I do think that it's. one of the many characteristics that a. whistleblower has in which you would. rather suffer for the greater good. You. would rather risk your own livelihood, your own social circle for the benefit. of others. It's a pretty unique. personality type. I'm not talking about. whistleblowing in the sense of. everybody's going to love and support. you because that's not really. whistleblowing [music]. in I mean it is I guess definitionally, but it's not what whistleblowers go. through. And I'm sure everyone sitting.

at home is going to say, "I would. absolutely be a whistleblower." But. statistically, it is impossible that all. of us that believe we would would. actually would. There would be a lot. more whistleblowers out there. And it. makes sense because whistleblowing is. one of the most dangerous things that. you can do. >> Is this like a study research done? Yeah, there's like a series of different. moral dilemmas where you can kind of try. to gauge if someone is more likely to be. a whistleblower. And then there's also.

these very strange studies that they. have found that the more educated you. are, the more likely you are going to be. a whistleblower. The higher in the. organization you are, the more likely. you are to be a whistleblower. And a lot. of whistleblowers have this very. interesting thing where they do not. contemplate or procrastinate or feel. shame about whistleblowing. >> H. >> whereas a lot of people it's a very. natural human thing when you create. conflict you almost feel like ah maybe I. shouldn't have done that. Maybe that was.

a bad idea. I don't know if this is the. right thing to do. A lot of. whistleblowers they don't have that at. all. >> So you're saying like you're kind of. born with that. >> Yeah. >> It's a trait that you're born with. >> You're more likely to become one. Yes. And I'm not saying calling out bad for. bad and everybody loves you. That's a. very easy thing to do. I'm talking. you're going to lose your livelihood and. possibly risk your life because there is. this common misconception that truth is. going to set you free. >> If you ask someone bad, they're going to. tell you that the truth does not set you.

free. It sends you to prison. So shut up. and lawyer up. If you ask someone who's. too good for their own good, they might. tell you that the truth will not set you. free because it's going to get you. killed. There's really no statistic on. how many whistleblowers are killed, mainly because their deaths are always. deemed a lone act with no foul play. Even when it doesn't make sense to. people, like how two big Boeing. whistleblowers died within months of. each other. One of them, who happened to. have already been retired after working. for Boeing for 30 years, he was found. suspiciously deceased at 62 years old. with no indication of wanting to exit.

his life anytime soon, to which Boeing. did say that they were saddened to hear. about his passing, which feels ominous. Then a few months after that, another. Boeing whistleblower is found dead from. a bacterial infection. Interestingly. enough, this whistleblower Joshua Dean, he was known by everyone to be a health. nut. He worked out and watched his diet. with a meticulous attention to detail. He was so considerate of every small. change in his body and he suddenly. contracts influenza B pneumonia and MRSA. staff infection all at once which we.

tried researching it and the odds of. catching all three at once is extremely. rare. co- infections can occur, but all. three. I mean, there seems to be only. scattered reports of these triple. infections, which led to people on. social media writing, "The new leading. cause of death is being a Boeing. whistleblower." It's an obvious. exaggeration, but this isn't new. One of. the most controversial cases in. whistleblowing history is actually Karen. Silkwood. She was working for this huge. company operating nuclear factories. She.

gets out of a union meeting at a cafe. She's got a folder, a spiral notebook, a. binder filled with documents. She tells. another union worker she's going to blow. the lid on what the company has been. doing. There were constantly leaking. pipes. The protective gear is not. adequate. Radioactive materials were, according to Karen, not being properly. secured. But the biggest part is Karen. claims that there were between 20 to 30. kg or 44 to 66 lb of plutonium that had. been misplaced. That's enough to make 3.

to four nuclear bombs. People theorized. that there was a plutonium smuggling. ring in the plant. They were also just. like dumping contaminated water into a. river in Oklahoma that was known to be. used for swimming, fishing, and. drinking. And it's very bad. And on the. way with these documents to the. reporter, Karen gets into a onecar. accident and passes away. >> One car meaning by herself. >> Yes. She allegedly fell asleep at the. wheel. But there are so many things that. don't add up, like the damage to her.

bumper when it's a head-on collision. that killed her. A lot of other things, like the fact that there are grip marks. on her steering wheel that almost. indicate that she was holding on for. dear life and not asleep at the wheel. like the authorities claim. The police. that found her at the scene, they work. for the company when they're off duty as. security guards. But more suspiciously is the fact that. all of those documents that she had just. showed a fellow union worker at the. cafe, they are gone.

>> When was this? >> This was like 50 years ago. This was one. of the first big cases of um I don't. think the whistleblower died. accidentally. >> Her case is thick, very thick. I mean, there's a lot to unpack there, but it's. been debated for half a century whether. or not she was killed or it was an. accident, just like how it's being. debated whether or not the Boeing. whistleblowers were killed or if they. self-exited or naturally caught three. infections at once. But does that really. mean every time a whistleblower passes. that it's a self-exit.

authorities and major corporations. claim? What if a lot of powerful people. want someone dead? Does that factor into. the investigation? Virginia Du Fray, one of Epstein's. victims, but also an advocate and a. survivor who had been taking Epstein and. Galain Maxwell down along with Prince. Andrew. She is the one in that very. famous picture of Prince Andrew and. Galain Maxwell. There is 17-year-old. Virginia Duay with Prince Andrew's hand. creepily around her waist. That is her.

March 2025 of this year, Virginia Duy. gets into a really bad car accident. At. this point in Virginia's life, she has. three children. She has helped put. Epstein in jail. She lived through him. mysteriously dying in prison, which by. the way, she was on the fence about. whether he was killed or not in prison. She helped put Galain Maxwell in jail. She had just finished a manuscript for a. book, a memoir detailing her entire two. years being trafficked by Epstein and. Galain [music] to powerful people such. as Prince Andrew, but other world.

leaders like a prime minister of a. foreign country, US politicians, senators, governors. She has the. manuscript. It just hasn't been. published yet. It won't be published. until she's dead. Virginia Dufrey has. been working with a collaborator for. this book. The collaborator is not only. helping with some writing aspects, but. she's been adding footnotes, hiring. professional fact checkers, trying to do. her best to protect Virginia, but also. publish a book that has all the accurate. information. She says that she gets a. call March 2025, so earlier this year,

Virginia's in the hospital from this car. accident. The accident makes the news. because even death just seems. suspicious. This accident, too, seems so. suspicious. What do you mean? Virginia. goes into kidney failure. The doctors. originally give her 4 days to live. She. states that a school bus had hit her, turning her car into a tin can. She. states that when the police were called, they said that nobody was available to. come to the scene and now she's in the. hospital in critical condition. A. picture of her just bruised face is.

posted online. But it's odd because. police later come out and confirm, yeah, there was an accident, but there were no. injuries reported at the scene. And the. picture of her in the hospital seems. weird because a lot of healthcare. workers are coming out and saying, "Why. is she wearing a necklace?" And the. bruises, they look a few days old and. she would be hooked up to a lot of. machines if she were in kidney failure. And so what does this mean? Some. netizens initially believed that. Virginia had faked her injuries. But. like, why would Virginia do that? Like.

none of this makes sense. Virginia tells. Amy Wallace, her collaborator for the. book, very cryptically, [music] "If it's. in God's hands, I'm not scared. If it's. my time to go, it's my time to go, but I. want the book published. Amy writes in. the book, but she's like, I don't No, I. I want you around for the rest of my. life. And so, they tell each other that. they love each other, and they [music]. hang up. The next day, April 1st, 2025. Amy Wallace and Virginia's publicist. both receive an email. This is.

Virginia's last email to [music] them. It reads in short, "In the event of my. passing, I would like to ensure that. nobody's girl is [music] still released. I believe it has the potential to impact. many lives and foster necessary. discussions about these grave. injustices." That email is sent out. April 1st, 2025. [music]. By the end of the month, April 25th, 2025, Virginia Duy will be found dead. But this is not the first time Virginia.

Dufrey has almost [music]. predicted her own passing, if you will. Years ago, she tweeted, "I am making it. publicly known that in no way, shape, or. form am I wanting to self-exit. I have. made this known to my therapist and my. GP. If something happens to me for the. sake of my family, do not let this go. away and help me protect them. [music]. Too many evil people want to see me. quieted." Which, yeah, sure, okay, a lot. of things can change in a few years, including someone's mental state. But. with the Epstein case and the Epstein. [music] files, everyone feels like a. suspect. I mean, everybody has money,

everybody has power, and everybody has a. lot to lose if this book gets published. [music]. [music]. We would like to thank today's sponsors. who have made it possible for Rotten. Mango to support the coalition to.

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want to be clear that the allegations. mentioned in this video are not. allegations being brought forth by the. RM team. We are only repeating what has. been circulating online. These. allegations are readily available for. anyone to research and to come to their. own opinions and conclusions. Many of. the allegations are from Virginia. Dupre's postumous memoir. It's called. Nobody's Girl. And I highly recommend. getting a copy. We I mean I went through. and I I colorcoded a lot of the people. that kept coming up. I took notes. I've. I mean this there's just so much in this.

book that's not even going to be. included in these episodes. There's so. much to learn, not even just about this. case, but what it means to try to. support victims of trafficking. And. there's there's a lot to gain. There's a. lot to learn. And there's a lot to. support in here as well as I would even. check out Virginia's brother Sky who she. writes so fondly about in her book. He. has been very vocal about getting. justice for his sister even after her. passing and making sure that we see the.

day of the Epstein files. So many of the. allegations are from herostumous memoir. as well as publicly available netizen. comments and any theory should be taken. as a conspiracy theory. We are simply. trying to provide a compilation of all. the online theories and/or speculations. in an easy to digest video format so. that you can do your own supplemental. research before coming to your own. opinion about something or someone. That. is not to say that we personally believe. or don't believe something. We are just. not accusing anyone of anything in this. video. Our personal private opinions.

about someone should not be taken as. fact. We are just trying to present the. different types of publicly available. online discourse for you to consume. and. as well November of this year, so a. month ago, 20,000 pages of the Epstein. files were dumped by the House Oversight. Committee. There are emails in there. that have connected more people to. Epstein along with high-profile. professors, businessmen, politicians, including our current US president, Donald Trump. Whether these connections. are implications of something much. darker, I think, especially when it. comes to the political figures,

everyone's going to have a different. opinion. I'm not here to sway one's. opinion. I'm not here to make you. believe one thing or another. I am just. here to summarize all the people that. were implicated in the late Virginia. Duay's memoir as well as the emails in. the recent document dump and I'm just. trying to get you more familiar with. what's going on before the DOJ is. legally required to release all the. Epstein files this month. So December. 19th, 2025 is the date as mandated by. the Epstein Files Transparency Act. What. does that mean? The bill requires that.

the DOJ publish in a searchable and. downloadable format all unclassified. records, documents, communications, and. investigative materials in the DOJ's. possession that relate to the. investigation and the prosecution of. Jeffrey Epstein. This includes materials. that relate to Gla Maxwell, who's still. alive and in jail and apparently has a. puppy. flight logs, travel records, individuals named and/or referenced, including government officials in. connection with the investigation, and. prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein. The DOJ.

is only allowed to withhold certain. information such as the personal. information of victims and materials. that would jeopardize an active federal. investigation. Okay, the second part is. very important because it's been very. clear from the get-go that members of. the DOJ do not care about the victims. But that second part could be the. potential loophole that would prevent. yet another release of the Epstein. files. >> It is required that the DOJ report to. Congress all the information that is. released and withheld, as well as a. summary of any redactions that are made. and a list of all government officials.

and politically exposed individuals. named or referenced in the published. materials. So, this could either be the. great expose and the great cleanse, or. it could just be another fake out where. we get nothing but a messy dump with. emails referring to people whom we. already assumed are connected to. Epstein. So, now we have some evidence. of that connection, but it's very. unlikely as of right now anything will. come out of it. So, with that being. said, hopefully these videos give you. current updates that will give you a. full idea before the files drop. I don't. think anyone is unfamiliar with this.

case, but if you are, we do have a. multi-part series deep diving into. Jeffrey Epste, Galain Maxwell, and. Epstein's Island that you can refer to. So, with that being said, let's get. started. Getting evicted is usually an. experience that I feel only commoners. have to deal with or live in fear of. It's typically not something that the. ultra wealthy or nepo babies have even. briefly thought about. It's not even a. brief flashing thought that they've had. in their brain. Especially if you are. the Prince of England. That is until.

October 30th, 2025. [music] Something. very rare, very interesting happens. An. official royal communications is. released. A statement from Buckingham. Palace. His majesty, King Charles, has. today initiated a formal process to. remove the style, titles, and honors of. Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew will now be. known as Andrew Manbatton Windsor along. with royal communications. [music]. It's more of like an eviction notice. This entire thing formal notice has now.

been served to surrender the lease and. he will move to alternative private. accommodation. These censures are deemed. necessary notwithstanding the fact that. he continues to deny the allegations. against him. Their majesties wish to. make clear that their thoughts and. utmost sympathies have been and will. remain with the victims and survivors of. any and all forms of abuse. aka Prince. Andrew will just be suspicious Andrew. and he's getting evicted. The public. responded as expected with this news. with most stating that it's a little too.

damn late for that. Others point out. that this is fascinating because it's. Prince Andrew's brother King Charles. technically releasing approving this. entire statement. One in comment reads, "I mean tell me you believe that your. brother is guilty without telling me. that you believe your brother is. guilty." But mostly there's a lot of. shock with the comment continuing. I. mean, like others, I did not think that. this would happen. Titles removed, sure, but kicked out of the house and home. That I really did not expect. The. wording is much harsher than even I also.

expected. I mean, I I imagine the royals. would kind of beat around the bush if. they were to even do anything this. extreme. But the the word choice of. notwithstanding the fact that he. continues to deny the allegations, it's. more likely that you would hear. something like while he maintains his. innocence. But this sounds like, hey, you're saying that it's not true, but. nobody believes you, including me. >> Wow. >> Others are expressing disappointment. that Virginia Du fray, the victim who. initially exposed [music]. Prince Andrew, is deceased and is not.

around to see this. With a comment. reading, "I wish Virginia knew that her. bravery is still finally seeing results. She deserved justice in life, and she. still deserves it even though she's. gone. Her and all the other victims of. these heartless people." But most detens. are left wondering, okay, why now. though? Why now specifically? I mean, a. lot of people in the UK will say, well, the Queen was never going to do it. I. mean, everyone in the UK knows that. Prince Andrew was the Queen's favorite. child, apparently. But King Charles,

there's no love lost there. Others are. saying maybe King Charles is doing it so. he can clean up all the loose ends, so. when William takes over, King William, soon to be King William, he can start. fresh. But others are saying, well, it. might be happening because of what's. happening in the US right now. And they. believe it's only a matter of time. They. might be right to think that because a. few weeks after that, the royal. announcement November of this year, thousands of Epstein documents, including emails between Jeffrey Epstein. and Prince Andrew, are released in a.

Google Drive by the House Oversight and. Government Reform Committee. 20,000. something pages, large sets of emails, all dumped online for the public to see. with more to be released this month as. mandated by that new bill. The hope. being that finally this Epstein [music]. list will be released because I mean. everybody has an idea of an list. There. are random lists online going out where. people keep adding names once they keep. getting associated with Epstein when. there's pictures resurfacing. but a real. reliable list of every single name.

connected to Epstein and Maxwell. That's. what we're hoping for in December. So, here is a rundown of what we know so far. before that release. These are the. people, the high-profile people that. have been connected to Epstein and. Galain and the trafficking ring and why. the internet believes that many of them. need to be investigated and thrown into. a cell with the key dumped into the. freaking Pacific Ocean. Some of these. names are going to sound oddly familiar. and they have always been associated. with Epstein and Galain. Others are. going to have been loosely connected,

but now with renewed interest in this. case with the Epstein files being. dropped, new emails being revealed and. even Virginia Duy's memoir that was. published postumously, these people have. been more present in the news in. connection with Epstein. So consider. this a guide of all the people, places, and things that you may need to know. before the documents drop and why many. of these people could be someone. theoretically hypothetically. that would want the files to be. suppressed, who would want Virginia to. be silenced, who will probably try their.

best to make sure we never know what. happened. It's better to put a name and. face to these people rather than say, "Hey, they're making sure they never get. justice." So exactly which rich and. powerful people are we talking about? Like I said, we've already done a. multi-part series on Epstein and Galain. where we did talk a lot about Virginia. Dre, but just a quick refresher, Virginia Dry spent more than two years. traveling with Epstein and Galain. She. was one of the most high-profile. survivors considering she has been very. outspoken against Prince Andrew. She has.

been very passionate for advocating for. the end of trafficking and for exposing. the elite for what they've done. She's. also spent a great deal of time at. Epstein's Island. And she says in her. book, quote, "I knew their cruel habits. and those of the men to whom they. trafficked me. I saw these men. I. endured them [music] up close." She says. that she recalls being trafficked to. quote the former governor of a western. state, a respected US senator, and so. many scientists. And [music] as I've. said, usually when I was trafficked to. these men, Epstein didn't introduce us.

or tell me their names or their titles. Some critics have insinuated that. there's no way I could remember these. men given the Xanax and the alcohol that. I sometimes relied upon to survive in. those years. But to them, I simply say. this. [music] When a man has been on top. of you, his face just inches from your. own, you remember him. You may not. remember the exact day, date, or time. that the man abused you, but [music] his. face stays in your mind even when you. wish it wouldn't. She writes, [music]. "Seeking to silence me. My powerful.

enemies have threatened to bankrupt me. and even to have me killed. I haven't. stopped talking. When I was a [music]. slave, I had no say. I promised myself. that I will never have no say again. These are the main people that she has. named in her book that she states she. has been trafficked to." I remember when. I worked in retail, we were told. repeatedly through training that we were. to never assume one's familial relation. to the person that they walk in with. That is the very professional way of. saying, "Hey, don't assume that the man.

is the dad and the girl is the daughter. because they could be dating." Now, obviously, this is not for when one. party appears to be underage or in. distress. That's clearly a different set. of training rules. This is for when you. see some 25-year-old walking in with. someone who looks to be about 60, who. looks old enough to be their father. That's what that applies for. I mean, thankfully, most of these couples know. that they will likely confuse retail. workers. So, they'll typically establish. some sort of relationship. They'll have. a little show of a, hey, we're not.

actually dad and daughter, but there. have been times where mistakes have been. made. But every single person in this. Gap kids store that Virginia Duay walks. into should know what's going on. They. should be able to tell that Virginia was. indeed a minor and she was indeed not. shopping for clothes with her. grandfather. Even though he looks like. her grandfather, he's in his [music] 60s. and she looks to be 14, 15. And. technically, this is Gap kids, so all of. this checks out. However, no grandfather.

is going to passionately persuade his. granddaughter to pick the shortest tops. that show her entire stomach [music]. and the smallest shorts that are not. even in her size to show half of her. bottom. Like, there's just no way that's. her grandpa. And they're right because. it's not her grandpa. This is Ron. Epinger. This is the second man that. traffics Virginia Duay. The first man is. Virginia Dupre's own father. She alleges. that he trafficks her to a family. friend. And the third being Jeffrey. Epstein and Galain Maxwell. Ronald.

Epinger is the founder of Perfect 10. modeling agency, which I don't foresee. any of this sounding like a lifealtering. revelation, but Perfect 10 was not a. legitimate modeling agency. Though, if. you were to briefly look into it, it. might look like one because they do have. professional stylized photo shoots, collaborations with brands. They have. models who would be hired to walk. runways. But that's not the purpose of. the agency. This is a highly predatory, highly profitable business structure in. which Ron Epinger would go hunt down. young women from Eastern Europe, bring.

them to Florida, and run a $1,000 a. night escort service. He usually only. prayed on European children until he. meets Virginia. Virginia had just run. away from growing together, which we'll. get to more later, but it's essentially. just another predatory facility that. helps parents kidnap their own kids to. stick them in this facility to make them. more obedient, more teachable, more. moldable, more whatever adjective. parents want to pay for. It's obviously.

not a great place with assault, violence, essay being heavily present, and even just the psychological torture. Virginia says they would force the girls. that are 13 to maybe 17 years old to. stand in front of a mirror and. passionately berate themselves at the. top of their lungs. She says that they. were forced to scream at their own. reflections, I am a auty while staring. into their own eyes. I mean, it's. basically a torture prison. They even. have a solitary confinement cell. I. mean, it's a sick experiment. Virginia. recalls that every Wednesday they would.

have nasty mushroom soup. You're forced. to eat everything on your plate every. day, even if you hate it. Virginia hates. mushroom soup, or at least she hates. this variation of it. And most. Wednesdays, she would be able to push. through, but one particular Wednesday, she feels like she needs to throw up. The guard is screaming at her to eat. And Virginia says, quote, "But after a. few spoonfuls, it wouldn't stay down, and I vomited into my bowl." The guard's. face broke into a sadistic smile. "No. problem," she said. "Now eat until that. bowl is empty." Virginia ends up running.

away and hitchhiking just to get. anywhere far away from growing together. because they growing together. They're. going to find you and they're going to. bring you back to the ninth circle of. hell. Virginia just ends up staying at a. guy's house. They were smoking weed on. the beach together and he offered which. it's not like she has a lot of choices. at this point. She's a 15-year-old. runaway. And she says, "I was worried. that he wanted sex, but I was wrong. When we got to his place, we just smoked. some more pot and then he found me a. clean towel so that I could take a. shower. Please be gone by the morning,

he said before he went to go to bed. I. go to work early and please don't [ __ ]. up my house. Do the right thing. Virginia writes and quote, "Not all men. are monsters." The next person that she. ends up hitchhiking with is he is a man. who appears to be a construction worker. He claims that he's going to the same. place that she's going, but when she. looks up, he's driven to a parking lot. of a motel. And he tells her, "Come. upstairs with me. It's only going to. take a second. I owe somebody money. I. need to pay them back." She follows him. up and immediately when he closes the.

door to the motel room, it's too late. He pulls out a gun, jams it into her. mouth, and essays her. She says, quote, "From the front first, then from the. back. He would choke her until she lost. consciousness, only to choke her again. when she comes to." And then his phone. rang mid assault. He threatens to kill. her if she runs away. But also, she's. thinking he probably will anyway. So, she books it. And that's how she ends up. sitting on a curb in Florida trying to. block out all this trauma trying to. figure out how not to go back to growing.

together or the house that she states. that she was being essayed in when this. very fancy limousine pulls up right in. front of her. And I say states because. um her dad has been very vocal and has. been denying the allegations. So just. legally speaking, but personally I mean. I have opinions. This limo pulls up. right in front of her and the window. rolls down and it's this old wrinkly. man. He's balding and he's eyeing her up. and down. Oh, you poor baby. Virginia. looks inside and next to this old.

balding man, there's this very young. girl who looks about Virginia's age in. this very short red dress and she's. staring and she's smiling at her and. they seem they seem kind of friendly. The man sounds like a grandpa. Come in. here so we can take care of you. >> [music]. >> Ron Epinger tries to get Virginia to. trust him by way of sympathy. The. textbook, "I am a sad, vulnerable old. man. How could I ever harm someone when. I'm so fragile myself?" He tells her, "I. had a daughter once, Susan Marie. She.

died when she was 15. She was in a. truck. The driver fell asleep and. crashed into a utility pole in Pompano. Beach. I've never gotten over it, you. know." Virginia says in her book, "And. for that moment, I feel sorry for him. That's when he reaches for me and. strokes my hair. If you want, I can be. your new daddy. This is how Virginia Du. Fray starts getting trafficked by Ron. Epinger. He starts a new string of. felonies by taking Virginia to a. restaurant to eat where she says she. eats like an animal because she's.

starving. And then to Gap Kids to shop. for her, buying clothes that at that. point, why even shop at Gap Kids? These. clothes barely cover her. then takes her. to a lingerie store where it appears. that the workers know Ron Epinger. because they don't look at all confused. at why this much older man that has not. one hair to his name on his bald head. while he is purchasing a g-string. underwear for someone who appears to. have just left a middle school bus. They. don't bat a single eye and he picks out. every lacy thing before taking Virginia. back to his house where there are at. least five other girls alarmingly young,

probably minors, fully unclothed and or. almost fully there. Then he takes. Virginia to his room which horrifyingly. has a circular bed and a mirrored. ceiling. And he announces that she's. going to be sleeping with him tonight. He called her baby. And Virginia writes. in her book, "I am the youngest girl. there, so the nickname sort of fits. I. want to become someone new so badly that. I [music] accept it. Baby is now who I. am." which I don't think any of you.

would ever say, but if anyone were to. say something inherently as brain dead. as, well, why would she get into this. man's limo? Which honestly, I think. questions like that should be part of. some sort of standardized test to. determine one's comprehension level. But. if you were to ask such a thing, please. remember, Virginia says, "This is just. some of what I've been through before I. met Epinger. Perhaps it explains why I. so readily got into a limousine with an. old man I didn't know. It wasn't just. that I'd been brutally essayed a few. hours before, barely fleeing with my.

life. No, I had felt worthless for. years. [music] Sometimes I worried that. what the counselors at Growing Together. made me say was true. That I was a a. [ __ ] and [music] a druggie. Which. clearly we all know and Virginia knew. eventually is not the [music] case. Because Ron Epinger is clearly the. problem. Virginia states that not only. did Ron Epinger target children, he. wanted them to look more like children. According to Virginia, before he. demanded intimate relations, he would. force her to shave, he wanted her to. resemble a teen Barbie doll, and then.

told her that she needed to watch. X-rated content [music] and be grateful. to him for letting her, a child, sleep. with him, a 63-year-old balding. predator, because, quote, "He was. teaching me a valuable skill, how to. please men." What's frankly bizarre. about this entire situation is that. Virginia states that he would drive her. around South Florida in his convertible. because he liked to show off his fast. car and a girl in the passenger seat, in. my humble opinion, to cover up for his.

lack of manhood downstairs. And what. other laughable condition he may have, but according to Virginia, he would. require that she be topless. And she. clearly looks like a child. Nobody. notices. Nobody pulls them over. Nobody. arrests Ron Epinger. Some people can't. even drive to Target to run errands. without getting pulled over. And you're. telling me Ron Epinger is just doing a. full bus tour of the city showcasing his. crimes and nobody says anything? I'm. sure there are police cars all around. the street where they drive around. They. haven't driven past one patrol officer.

>> or anybody who makes a call or do. something about. >> Exactly. >> Ron Epinger. I mean, he just gets away. with it for so long. Virginia makes a. clarification in her book that in some. reports including a widely read book on. Epstein and I think that these. clarifications are so important there's. so many clarifications throughout the. book and it's very interesting to see. what the media got wrong because I mean. this case is so heavily talked about and. she states that in one widely read book.

on epste called the perversion of. justice the Jeffrey Epstein story the. author who is a journalist she writes. about how Virginia was swept away by Ron. Epinger's lifestyle seeing other girls. get expensive clothes and jewelry. And. Virginia starts thinking the lifestyle. isn't just exciting, maybe it's an. acceptable way to earn a living. Which. even if that were the case, Virginia was. 15 at the time. But Virginia says that's. not the case. She says, quote, "I wasn't. excited. I was a defeated hopeless. child. I knew what was happening wasn't.

right." Virginia writes, "In fact, quote, "Soon after Epinger began. trafficking me to his friends, I knew. how it felt like to be a puppy picked. from a litter just hoping its new owner. wasn't the whipping kind. I was merely. trying to survive." Virginia states that. she was held captive for 6 months before. she was quote given away to Ron. Epinger's friend, who embodies the. phrase birds of a feather flock. together. He's heinous, too. And in. 2011, Ron Epinger finally pleads guilty. to charges of quote smuggling aliens to.

the US for the purposes of sex work and. the consequences of that. 21 months in prison and a $6,000 fine. >> What? >> Also, he would have to forfeit his. beloved limo and his boat. There are. speculations that the FBI knew what he. was doing for a really long time and. just let it happen. There is a massive. file released by the DOJ. It's in the. FBI vault on Epinger, Ronald Epinger. It's a good starting point to go down if. you're really interested, but there is a. large amount of things redacted from.

that file. So, keep that in mind. And it. just makes people wary because is that. what the Epstein files is going to look. like in a few weeks when it's released. with everything redacted? >> Virginia's dad is a maintenance man at. the massive country club Mara Lago in. Palm Beach, famously, infamously owned. by Donald Trump. >> That's crazy. really. >> Virginia's dad was in charge of making. sure all the red clay tennis courts were. suitable for very wealthy people to play.

on, which is not an easy job. Wealthy. people love to complain. And that is. when Virginia is 17 years old. She's. desperate. She needs a job. She asks her. dad if you can help me get something at. Mara Lago. She applies for a position as. a locker room attendant. She says, quote, "My duties in the locker room. were to, you know, make tea. I've never. made tea before, so that was fun. Learn. how to make tea. Clean up after the. ladies who had just been in the locker. room. Make sure the bathrooms were kept. nice and tidy. You fold the toilet paper. into a little triangle every time anyone.

went to the toilet. Clean up the sink. area. It was a very crazy job. Crazy. enough that just to be folding toilet. paper and making tea, they make Virginia. undergo a drug test, which [music] okay, standard, fine, right? But also like a. polygraph. For what reason? I don't. know. >> What? when you get hired at the Mara. Lago, I guess you have to undergo a. polygraph. Nevertheless, she starts working there. [music] She's studying the employee. handbook, which is this hefty 65page. filled to the brim with half rules, half.

digs at people. So, instead of writing. things like, "Please maintain personal. hygiene," it reads things like, "Body. odors are offensive, even down to the. ear accessories, one per lobe each, no. larger than a dime." which Virginia says. the rules actually made her feel better. [music] She said it felt good to work at. a place that was serious because she. hoped people would take her seriously. She actually gets very inspired working. there and she says that seeing how. [music] calm and distressed all the. guests appear, which I mean makes sense.

considering Mara Lago is regardless of. opinions objectively a very exclusive. club to get into. The initiation fees. are in the hundreds of thousands and it. would make sense that the average net. worth of a member would be at least a. few million, but there are a lot of. members that are worth billions as well. So yes, they should seem really relaxed. But at the same time, Virginia says she. [music] wants to work her way up to. being a masseuse so that maybe she could. quote, "Make a living by helping others. reduce stress. I believed I might.

finally leave my abusive past [music]. behind." Now at Mara Lago, she meets. Donald Trump. And I will say as an. American, the mere mention of Donald. Trump's name, who happens to be the. president, makes people break out into a. sweat for vastly different reasons. And. I'm not here to convince you of one. thing or another. I think I've made my. political stance pretty clear over the. years. But we try as a team on RM. specifically to make sure that the main. message of each video, though, I do. believe that our bias do tend to creep. in politically speaking, not because of. our lack of trying, but because we are.

quite passionate outside of these. episodes. But for this episode. specifically, we are going to try to. swim across the Pacific and try to take. out all the political opinion. There are. a lot of great channels that cover the. topic in depth with a lot of political. insight and opinions. Great channel is. again subjective. What I think is great, you might not think is great. I don't. think that those channels are lacking. from any platform. But our intention is. that this serves as a deep dive so you. can see the social commentary or the. feelings behind each person named and. listed instead of me just telling you.

how I feel about it. It should in theory. give you a much clearer vision of all. the things that are being said out there. online. So if we just showcase our. thoughts and feelings, it would not be. as broad of a view. So with that being. said, Virginia does meet Donald Trump. [music]. Thank you to Netflix for sponsoring this. portion of today's episode. As many of. you guys know, I spent months. researching and producing our four-part. series on Shaun Diddy Combmes. And. honestly, it was one of the most complex.

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Netflix. >> [music]. >> She is introduced by her dad. And she. says Trump couldn't have been. friendlier, telling me it was fantastic. that I was there. "Do you like kids?" he. asked. "Do you babysit at all?" He. explained that he owned several houses. next to the resort that he lent to. friends, many of whom he had children. who needed tending to. I said, "Yes, I. had babysat before." She says, "Soon I. was making extra money a few nights a. week minding the children of the elite.

That is until one day there is a car. driving behind her slowly on the. property, Mara Lago property. The car. has tinted windows and a man in the. front, Juan Allesie, the driver. And in. the back is just one Mara Lago member, Glain Maxwell. Virginia writes that she. never even knew that this car spotted. her walking to work until way later, but. quote, "I didn't know it yet, but once. again, a predator was closing in. This. one, however, would prove different from. any I've met before. This was an apex.

predator as greedy and demanding on the. inside as she appeared to be beautiful. and self assured on the outside. Again, I wish I could say that I saw through. Maxwell's polished facade that I felt. the immense threat she posed to me. [music]. Instead, my first impression of Maxwell. was the same one that I formed when I. greeted any well-healed Mara Lago guest. Quote, I'd be lucky, I thought, if I. could grow up to be anything like her. Virginia doesn't meet Galain Maxwell. until one day the other girl that works.

at the spa can't be at the front desk. So instead of tending to the locker. room, suddenly Virginia's at the front. desk and it's so slow she's just reading. her book on massage therapy because. again her dream is now to become a. masseuse. And then she looks up and. there is this woman with a hideous bob. in a British accent. Virginia doesn't. stoop [music] solo to call Galain's Bob. hideous. In fact, I guess you could say. Galain's Bob is objectively chic. I. guess if you are threatened with a. weapon, but [ __ ] Elaine and her hideous. bob. Okay. And her bag that probably.

costs more than Virginia's dad's car is. how Virginia sees it. But she shakes. Virginia's hand and introduces herself. as Galain Maxwell. [music]. She looks down at Virginia's massage. book. Are you interested in massage? How. wonderful. Do you massage on the side? Virginia says she starts freaking out. because she's like, "Oh, no. I don't. want to give this person the wrong. impression. I I'm not even trained, but. I hope to learn someday. I'm sure you'd. be terrific. Gain tells her that she's. friends with a very wealthy man, also a. member of the Mara Lago Club, who is.

looking for a massage therapist who can. travel with him. Will [music] you come. in for an interview? Virginia's. hesitating, but Galain picks up on it. and tells her it's not about what she. knows right now. It's about her. determination to learn. If she can. impress this wealthy rich man, he would. be more than happy to fund her training. sessions. He's a mathematician. [music]. He's got this knack for making money and. he loves helping people. Besides, he. lives right here in Palm Beach, just 2. miles from the club. Come meet him. tonight after work. Virginia writes in.

her book, "Even today, more than 20. years later, I remember how [music]. excited I felt." If you've watched our. previous deep dives on the Epstein case, you are familiar that Virginia excitedly. tells her dad about this life-changing. opportunity. He drives her to the house. where she's taken into the massage room. where an old hairy man is laying naked. face down. Galain instructs her on how. to massage him. Virginia describes in. the book, quote, "When we got to his. buttocks, I tried to glide past them, landing on his lower back, but Gain put.

her hands on top of mine and guided them. to his rear. It's important that you. don't ignore any part of [music] the. body." She said, "If you skip around, the blood won't flow right." They both. Galain and Epstein [music]. assault Virginia. Virginia writes that. she just This is the moment something. cracked inside of me. Epste and Maxwell. laughing at my underwear which were. dotted with tiny hearts. How cute. She. still wears little girl panties. Epstein. [music] said. So they force Virginia to. massage Epste. Then they assault her.

And then they force her to wash Epstein. in the shower, shampoo, condition his. hair while Epstein gives her just one of. many countless lectures. Virginia says, "From the first meeting, Epstein wanted. me to regard him as a mentor and not a. predator. He would give lessons on game. theory, AI, just like anything that is. mind-numbingly. He just wanted to be the. smartest person in the [music] room.". And then afterwards, Virginia is forced. to pat him dry with a towel before they.

lead her outside with two $100 bills. shoved in her hands. And they're. smirking as they tell her, "This is. probably what you make in a week at that. spa." And the driver takes her back. home. Virginia says, "The entire car. ride, all I knew as the black Suburban. headed west was that I felt gutted, as. if someone had reached down my throat. and scraped out my insides with a silver. spoon." Also, another thing to note, perhaps clarify, is that everyone in the. media was under the impression that the. house was white. Virginia writes in her. book that that was years later. In the.

summer of 2000, the home we pulled up to. was a garish pink, the color of. Pepto-Bismol. Yeah. The house was. painted all pink. And this is his Palm. Beach house. And Virginia explains, "Epstein took delight in explaining to. me, for example, that he had painted his. house pink [music] because I love pink. Pink is for pussy." and later quote, "Epsteeen liked to tell friends that. women were merely a life support system. for their private [music] parts." He. also apparently stated, "I'm not a. sexual predator. I'm an offender. It's.

the difference between a murderer and a. person who steals a bagel." This is how. Virginia becomes a prisoner of Epstein. and Galain for the next 2 years. She. writes, "My job was to do whatever they. asked whenever they asked it. There were. no bars on the windows or locks on the. doors, but I was a prisoner trapped in. an invisible cage. For a few weeks, maybe months, Virginia is balancing work. at Mara Lago and then going to Epstein's. house to train for massages. It's very. complicated and understandable. It's a. it's like a psychological response.

She's been essayed already, so she's. been traumatized. She feels gutted. However, they keep charming her to come. back and promising her that this isn't. for nothing. If you keep doing well, we're gonna get you officially trained. so that you can quit this job and become. a masseuse. If she stops now, then all. of this trauma she endured would be for. nothing. But if she comes over a few. times, maybe they would pay for her to. get trained. So under this very. complicated feeling she keeps going back. and she says in short and again please. read her book but in short she explains.

as Epstein used me to satisfy his. perverse appetites I rationalized that. perhaps he might also help me to better. myself. In those initial weeks with. Epste and Maxwell I told myself I could. weather this too [music] and maybe even. come out ahead. Virginia goes there to. massage Epstein when he finally asks, "How about you quit your job at Mara. Lago and work for me full-time." He. gives her a lot of cash, $2,500. This is like the most 17-year-old. Virginia has ever seen. Rent yourself an.

apartment. It's not like she jumps at. the chance to work for him. She admits. it felt foolish to rely on him for my. livelihood. Epstein must have sensed my. qualms, though, because he walked around. his desk, picked up a grainy photograph, and handed it to me. The image had been. taken from some distance, but it was. unmistakably my little brother Sky, the. one that I was telling you about to go. follow. >> He was walking away from the camera. I. could see his backpack and the outline.

of the side of his face. I felt a stab. of fear. Why did Epstein have a photo of. the person I loved most in the entire. world? Epstein tells her that they know where. her brother goes to school. And you must. never tell a soul of what goes on in. this house. and I own the Palm Beach. Police Department, so they won't do. anything about it. Anyway, Virginia. leaves Mara Lago as her place of. employment, and this is going to be a. huge part of the Epstein and Donald. Trump saga. If you're not familiar, in. the massive Google Doc dump, there are.

multiple emails between Epstein and. others that consistently reference. Donald Trump. Depending on which aisle. of the political party you're on, you. will have very different interpretations. of said emails. I'm going to try to do. my best to aggregate both sides opinions. and sentiments to give you a full. picture of what's going on and what. people are thinking about it. We went to. channels of well-known left-wing. commentators as well as right-wing. commentators as well as mainstream media. networks along with Reddit to see what. comments people were having from both. sides and opinions. And it's just vastly.

different. And we went through hours of. trying to see, okay, well, is there at. any point people come to some sort of. agreement on any topic? And no, there is. not. I don't think it would be. productive for me to even try to get you. to come to a point. So, you you got to. come to your own points at this point. One email from Epstein to Galain in 2011. reads, "I want you to realize the dog. that hasn't barked is Trump. Redacted. victim spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned. Police. chief, etc. I'm 75% there.".

>> The redacted. >> 75% there mean? >> We don't know. A lot of these emails are. just like all over the place. Now, the. redacted victim has since been released. as being Virginia Du Fray. Many netizens. believe that this implicates Trump, placing him at the same place in. Epstein's house of all places with a. victim, a known survivor, and the dog. that hasn't barked. I mean, clearly. Trump knows more than he's letting on. He's not barking. He spent time with one. of the victims of Epstein and Galain and. he's not barking and clearly that's. what's happening. However, others.

believe that this is actually a. vindication. They state that Virginia. has never come out to state that Trump. was an abuser or one of the men that she. was trafficked to. And notably in her. recent postumously published book, she. writes relatively kind words towards. Trump and meeting him. I mean she was. very vague but it wasn't I mean it. wasn't over the top but it wasn't I. guess bad. To which others argue that. well she mentions that she was abused by. other huge politicians and wealthy. businessmen whom she will not name due. to her own safety. This book is.

published while Trump is the president. of the United States. So maybe, yeah, no. matter how goofy American politics seems. to be, which it is, we're a mess over. here. The president of the United States. is still one of the highest powers in. the world, which leads some to argue. that it would make sense that she would. not badmouth Trump in her book, accuse. him in her book. It's just not going to. end up well for her to accuse the. sitting president. But others argue, well, she could because others have done. it before. A lot of people have actually.

accused this specific sitting president. of lots of heinous things. So, it's just. um there's no end to the back and forth. and we've spent hours going in these. soon to be fist fights in the comment. sections and it's just widely. unproductive. Nobody's convincing anyone. to come to the other side. So, you know, in another email that is sent to Michael. Wolf, keep Michael Wolf in mind for. later. He is under a lot of fire. More. on him later, but he is a reporter who. served as an adviser of sorts for.

Epstein on how to handle Trump who was. going to run for office at that point. So this is during his first presidential. run which turned out to be successful in. in terms of he became the president, right? That was when he was first. elected as president. This email is from. 2015. So he had already announced that. he was going to run in 2016. And it. reads from Wolf to Epstein. I think you. should let him hang himself. He's talking about Trump. If he hasn't. been on the plane or to the house, that. gives you valuable PR and political.

currency. So some netizens interpret. this as saying Trump has probably been. to the house in the plane, which Epstein. might have proof of, but if Trump goes. out and says, "Hey, I haven't been to. the house. Hey, I haven't been to the. plane." Then Jeffrey Epste suddenly has. this political currency of like, I can. expose you for lying. Other nizens have. interpreted this as Trump has not been. to the house or the plane. Continuing, Michael Wolf says, "You can hang him in. a way that potentially generates. positive benefit for you. Or if it. really looks like he could win, you.

could save him." So that would mean. probably I've seen coming out and. saying, "I Trump has never done anything. weird. What do you mean you could save. him?" Generating a debt. Of course, it. is possible that when asked, he will. say, "Jeffrey is a great guy and has. gotten a raw deal and is a victim of. political correctness, which is going to. be outlawed in a Trump regime.". Do that what you will. That's in 2016. during Trump's first run for office in. which he was successful. But in a 2019. email before his second run, which was.

unsuccessful, so January 31st, 2019, this is actually 6 months before Epstein. is arrested. Epstein emails Wolf victim. Mara Lago. So it's like redacted. [music] And it says, "Trump said he. asked me to resign. Never a member. ever." And I just I do want to preface. Jeffrey Epstein's grammar, his. punctuation, his spelling. If he weren't already dead, I think an. English teacher would want to kill him. Never a member ever. Of course, he knew.

about the girls as he asked Elaine to. stop. So, some netizens have interpreted. this as he knew Galain was what? Recruiting underage employees of Mara. Lago to come get trafficked. If that's. the case, why didn't he stop it or go to. the authorities considering if anybody. had the power at that time to stop. Epstein and Galain? It would have been. Trump because of how powerful he is and. how wealthy he is. And also, if Galain. is a member at Mara Lago to be the owner. of Mara Lago, it's a very different. standing. It's a different social.

standing. But others are saying, well, he asked her to stop, but maybe he. didn't know what was going on. And like, see, he asked her to stop, so like maybe. he's a good person. Additionally, the. whole back and forth gets trickier when. you factor in the birthday cards from. Trump to Epstein. And there's going to. be a lot more on that later. White House. press secretary states that the. president did not write the birthday. card to Epstein. A lot of people have. compared his signature on I mean the. president's signature is literally. everywhere. Every US president's. signature is everywhere. They sign. everything all the time. I mean a lot of.

people say it looks the same, but the. White House press secretary says he did. not sign the letter. And that is. basically why the president is going to. sue the Wall Street Journal. More on. that later. But the White House press. secretary Caroline Levit continues the. unnamed victim. So there was this whole. thing. The Democrats, they released. these emails, a lot of them. And the one. where it says like redacted victim and. Trump spent hours at Epstein's house. together. And so they redacted the. victim's name because it's you want to. redact all the victim's names, especially when their association with. the president of the United States. I.

mean, you have an entire political party. that could go after you if maybe they. don't like that email. So, I can see why. they redacted it. However, I guess if. you look at the other side of the aisle, they are arguing why the did you redact. it? So, let me just tell you what the. White House press secretary said. She. says the unnamed victim referenced in. those emails is the late Virginia Du. Fray who repeatedly said President Trump. was not involved in any wrongdoing. whatsoever and couldn't have been. friendlier to her in their limited. interactions. The fact remains that.

President Trump kicked Jeffrey Epstein. out of his club decades ago for being a. creep to his female employees, including. Ju. One netizen thing that people have. pointed out about this statement is, "It. sounds wishy-washy, and second of all, she keeps pronouncing Ju as Guffrey.". But then there is an email from Epstein. to Michael Wolf that just reads, "Of. course Trump knew about the girls." If. this part on Trump in this episode feels. a bit thin, it's because the next part. of this two-part series is going to dive. deeper into a lot of the major names.

So, [music] Trump, Clinton, Gates, conspiracies that Epstein, and Galain. were political spies. This is just the. starting point of the conversation of. how Trump and Epstein and how it relates. to Virginia Du Fray. There's going to be. a lot more that is going to lead to the. memes of Donald Trump and Bill Clinton. having a salacious alleged [music]. affair that has now become a meme with. people memeing big beautiful Bill and. people calling pus throatus. So there is. that and there's going to be more on. that later but so far that is what.

Virginia Dre writes in her book about. Trump cuz I do see a lot of people. referencing the statement and I read. through the whole book just to see if am. I missing anything but that does seem to. be what she wrote about him. Now, the. next person under fire is a billionaire. couple. Virginia writes in her book, "There are other men whom I was. trafficked to who have threatened me by. asserting that they will use litigation. to bankrupt me. One of these men's names. has come up repeatedly in various court. filings, and in response, he has told my. lawyers that if I talk about him.

publicly, he will employ his vast. resources to keep me in court for the. rest of my life." So, for that reason, the next person, Virginia Dufrey, only. refers to this man as billionaire man. number one and his pregnant wife. However, in her 2016 deposition, Virginia Du Fray sues Galain Maxwell. And this is like uh we're going to get. into it in the next part, but Virginia. Duay publicly accuses Epstein and. Galain. >> She is a monster. She She's worse than. Epstein. >> Gain comes out and basically says. Virginia Duprey is a liar. So, Virginia. Duy's attorneys decide we're going to.

sue you for defamation. >> Oh. >> They sue Galain Maxwell for defamation. And that kickstarts a series of events. which leads to both of them being. deposed in a deposition where they're. essentially being questioned by the. opposition's attorneys. And these. deposition fi the transcripts were. unsealed. So there's a lot in there. There's a lot of names in there. However, in that 2016 deposition where. she is deposed and Gain Maxwell's.

attorneys are grilling her, Virginia. does name people by name whereas in her. book she does not. There are still some. redactions in the deposition before it. was released, but a lot of people have. been cross-referencing the deposition. and the book and trying to figure out. who is who. >> So, we know. >> I don't know anything. People think they. know. Some netizens think that. billionaire man number one and his. pregnant wife is Glenn Dubin and his. wife Dr. Eva Dubin. She states. specifically in her deposition. Virginia.

does. Well, it was in the beginning, like after my training. Glenn Dubin and. Redacted were the first two people I was. sent out to. She states that she cannot. give exact dates and how old she was, but she says, "I can't tell you piece by. piece who, but I knew Glenn Dubin was. first." Later on, on page 199 of the. deposition, Virginia is asked by Galain. Maxwell's attorney. So, you're saying. Galain Maxwell directed you to have sex. with Glenn Dubin? Correct. What words. did Galain Maxwell tell you to go have. sex with Glenn Dubin? It was same. It.

was like the same all the time. All. right. They want me to go provide these. men with a massage. And when they say. massage, that means erotic. Okay, that's. their term for it. I think there are. plenty of other witnesses that can. attest to what massage actually means. And I'm telling you that Galain told me. to go to Glenn Dubin and give him a. massage, which means sex. We have no. clue if Glen Dubin is billionaire man. number one. We have no clue if he was an. abuser. But it's been widely talked. about in the news that he has some sort. of connection to Epstein. And this some. sort of connection is actually a pretty.

strong connection. Whether that be. sinister or not, it's a pretty strong. connection. Virginia explains that this. was a mark like a marked change in her. victimization from Epstein and Galain. She states that she went from being. assaulted by just them two to now Epste. is trying to manipulate her. and he. believes he's getting her to believe. that the next step in her actually. training to become a massage therapist. is to go work on Epstein's rich friends, be their massage therapist. Especially. when Epste allegedly tells her that the.

very first client is going to be a. couple, I think that she probably is. more inclined to believe him. It's going. to be a man and his pregnant wife. So. that that would appear like a real. appropriate legitimate massage. They're. staying at the Breakers, which is an. exclusive Palm Beach hotel nearby where. they have private residences. Epstein. was very firm on the rules. Be gentle. with her. Talking about the pregnant. wife. Make her feel comfortable, but. save most of your energy for him. Which. would still sound somewhat appropriate. considering perhaps he's a bigger man.

Virginia would need to physically exert. herself massaging him. Then Epste tells her, "Give him whatever. he wants, just like you do for me." That. night, she goes to the residential area. of the breaker's property. First, she. goes into the bedroom to massage the. pregnant woman. She doesn't really know. how to give a prenatal massage. In fact, Galain kept freaking her out by saying, "If you massage a pregnant woman's. ankles, they can go into early labor and. the baby could die." So, she's barely. even touching this woman. She's. terrified of harming the child. Within. 45 minutes, this billionaire wife tells.

her that she's going to go to sleep. Virginia quietly turns off the light, leaves, and out in the living room, who. she refers to as billionaire number one, has thrown a rug on the floor, and he's. laying there face on the floor naked, and he's facing up, actually. So, Virginia starts massaging him, and it's. been like 4 hours since she got here at. this point, and she is believing that. maybe this is a normal massage because. it's been 4 hours until billionaire. number one tells her to take off her. clothes. She states bluntly in her book, "I was disappointed, but not surprised.

We had sex on the floor and afterward he. tipped me $100. As I left that night, I. felt that familiar scooped out empty. feeling. When she gets back to Epstein's. house, she states that he asks her how. it went with a casualness that should be. alarming. Quote, "I told him I had done. everything that anyone required of me. and that his friend seemed satisfied.". He grinned, then popped a red grape in. his mouth and walked back to his office. I had pleased him and I was dismissed. So, why do people think that this is. Glen Dubin? Okay, it's just a guessing.

game at this point. Okay, I guess some. of that could come down to Glen Dubin is. a billionaire. He is a billionaire hedge. fund manager. And to make the. conspiracies a bit more intense, his. wife, Dr. Eva Anderson Duban, was Miss. Sweden and apparently dated Epstein for. years before she married Dubin in 1994. They've also reportedly invited him over. for Thanksgiving dinner at their Palm. Beach home after his 2008 conviction. So, this is after they publicly know. what he's done. It's also rumored that. Epstein is the godfather to their.

children. Some people go even further to. think I mean there's some crazy. conspiracies that Epstein is an Israeli. spy. We're going to get into it in the. next part, but Glenn Dubin's wife even. wrote an email to Epstein's probation. officer stating that she feels 100%. comfortable with Epstein around her. minor children. So, there's that. Eva. Dubin also testified during Galain's sex. trafficking trial and stated that she. did not witness any inappropriateness or. any strange conduct between Epstein and. any teenage girls. I will say that aside.

from the the first child of the Dubin. family, the birth dates of the other two. children, I couldn't find super reliably. published birth years, but it seems to. be it it the timelines could make sense. that Eva was pregnant during that time. And I say that as in I believe that this. happened to Virginia. I don't have a. clue if it's Glenn Dubin and his wife. Eva. Although I think that they are. incredibly shady, but that's just a. personal opinion. They've also donated.

$27,000 to Andrew Cuomo's mayoral run in. New York City recently, which was goofy. to say the least. And based off recent. files being released, it is believed by. netizens that in 2017, so 2 years before. Epste is arrested, the second time, 2. years before Epstein was found dead, he. claims to somebody through his email. that he spent Thanksgiving in 2017 with. Trump and Eva Duben and Glenn Duben. The. same email chain contains Trump, Eva, and Glenn. So that could mean he spent.

Thanksgiving with Glen Duben and Eva. Duben as well as Donald Trump. It could. mean that he didn't. It could mean. nothing. If you're interested in more. about the Duban family, I would point. you to a testimony from Glenn Dubin's. former butler who alleges that they saw. a 15-year-old girl distraught in the. Duben family home before and that there. was um it was bad. They allege they. allege it was bad. >> What is that? >> Like she's told them allegedly that she. is Epstein's personal assistant and they.

were confused cuz they're like, "You. look like a child. How can you be a. personal assistant for an adult?" this. doesn't make any sense. And there was. just some weird energy. And they said, I. mean, the Dubans have like 55 million. homes. That's not true. That's an. exaggeration. Did you know one time I. got a letter because I said someone was. a billionaire and then they sent me a. letter and they were like, I'm not a. billionaire, by the way. And I was like, okay. So, they do not have 55 million. homes. They have multiple homes. And I. think she gets sent off to be a nanny at.

another home, but then the Duban living. nanny was like, "Oh, I've never seen her. before." So there is a lot being. disputed but I will say that that. testimony is if you believe it very. alarming very alarming but I would just. warn you be very careful because these. are all very very powerful people then. there is the issue with Allan Dersowitz. Alan Dersowitz is a Harvard professor a. criminal defense attorney for Epstein.

for a period of time. You may not know. Alan Dersowitz. You may know Alan. Dersowitz and chances are if [music]. it's the latter you know him as Allan I. kept my underwear on Durowitz or maybe. not. Okay, that's very niche. [music]. Maybe you know him as part of OJ. Simpson's dream team and he also. represented Weinstein Harvey Weinstein. and he was um on Trump's defense team in. his first impeachment trial in 2020. Notably, Alan Dersitz was Epstein's. attorney while they negotiated his. nonprosecution agreement in Florida in. 2007. Durowitz has stated that this is.

the one case that he regrets taking, the. Epstein case. He has been named in. Virginia's deposition where she states. in 2016 and I know Steven Kaufman was. one of the first I was sent to. So. Steven Kaufman is another name, but. there's not as much on Steven Kaufman as. of right now. Continuing, she says, Allan Dersitz could have been between. Glen Duben and Steven. The first time I. was with Alan Dersitz was in New York, so I wasn't actually sent to him. It. actually happened at one of Jeffrey's. residences. What did he do to deserve.

such a precise nickname though Allan I. kept my underwear on Durowitz? Well, apparently after being initially accused. by Virginia as being someone she was. trafficked to, he states that he did get. a massage at Epstein's but but it was. given by a 50-year-old Russian woman. named Olga. And quote, "I kept my. underwear on. >> I kept my underwear on during uh the. massage. I don't like massages.

particularly. >> Thus Allan I kept my underwear on. dersitz. He's just also an overall. [ __ ] which is not a crime. It's just. an opinion. He would get hate comments. where people would write to him, "You. are the demon of evil. You are the best. argument for abortion one could. present." He would apparently happily. tape them to his door. To call him aing. annoying contrarian would probably be. one of the nicest things ever uttered. about Alan Derswitz. He's quoted in an. op-ed saying there must be criminal. sanctions against with very young.

children, but it is doubtful whether. such sanctions should apply to teenagers. above the age of puberty since voluntary. sex is so common in their age group. He believed that no matter how old the. partner is, 15 should be the reasonable. age of consent. He also hates when men. are prosecuted for hiring sex workers. He wrote once, "These men who. occasionally seek to taste the forbidden. fruit of sex for hire should not be. arrested." According to someone in one. of Durowitz's lectures, they claimed. Dersowitz had this idea of workers. They.

know what they're doing. They need to be. prosecuted, but you can't ruin a John's. life over wanting to take a bite of. forbidden fruit here and there. Another. Duruit's original quote is, "Radical. feminists can accuse all men of being. and radical African-Americans can accuse. all whites of being racist without fear. of discipline or rebuke.". However, in 2019, Virginia sues. Dersowitz for defamation in the same way. that she sued Galain Maxwell. He. counters sues and they both settle. Later in Virginia's book, she states.

that in 2022, the two of them, Virginia. and Alan Dersitz, settle out of court. with no payments made by either party to. the other, and the agreement seemingly. being that both of them would release a. joint pre-approved by both sides. statement. Virginia's statement reads, "I've long believed that I was. trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein to Alan. Dersowitz. However, I was very young at. the time. It was a very stressful and. traumatic environment, and Mr. Dersowitz. has from the beginning consistently. denied these allegations. I now. recognize I may have made a mistake in. identifying Mr. Duritz. Alan Derswitz's.

statement reads in short, "She had come. to believe that at the time she accused. me, she believed what she said. She has. suffered much at the hands of Jeffrey. Epstein, and I commend her work. combating the evil of sex trafficking.". But a year before Epstein was arrested, it seemed that Dersuit was not friendly. with Epstein anymore. In the recent. email dump, another person is mocking. Durowitz for being like the Kim. Kardashian of the legal scene. Famous. for being famous. Epstein responds, "Nicely put." exclamation point.

Take that as you will. Alan Dersitz says. that Epste wasn't a profile. Also, >> there was no allegation even that. Epstein was a profile. >> And not to put words in his mouth, but. basically he's saying that that term is. for actually people who like. prepubescent children. And I think that. is always good. >> Yeah. This guy is like literally outing. himself. >> Yeah. And Megan Kelly said the same. thing. >> Yeah. >> What? >> She was like, "Epsteine is sick and. nasty, but he's not a pedophile.". Because legally, I don't know why people.

are obsessed with the definition. >> Yeah. >> A minor is a minor. I'm so confused. Let's talk about vice presidents. Al. Gore served as the vice president under. Bill Clinton. Virginia states in her. book that Epstein had hosted Al and his. wife, then wife, they're now divorced, I. believe, Tipper Gore, over for dinner. and that she was there. But if you go to. her deposition from 2016, she's asked, "Tell me about the circumstances of. meeting Al Gore." And she says it's a. little bit hazy at where that took.

place. I mean, we're going back a long. time ago, but I do remember one thing. about him. I believed he was a wonderful. guy who loved his wife and they spent. the entire time like there was nothing. else around them. It was just those two. It was a dinner table, a long dinner. table with people around. They were just. lovely. Just watching them as a couple. I remember thinking, you know, he's. somebody that I would definitely vote. for. He's just somebody that loves his. wife that much. A lot of nizens comment, I sort of suspect Al Gore and his then. wife Tippergore are the kinds of people. who would get invited to the private.

island by a social climber like Epstein, but not the kind of people who moved in. the same social circles as Epstein. Like, they don't strike me as the kind. of people who would be friends with. Epstein's friends. with another netizen. writing, Epstein was probably selective. with who he showed what sides of the. island, if that makes sense. Because you. do have to remember that Epstein was a. social climber, but it is likely that a. lot of high-profile, powerful men liked. what Epste was doing in his private. life, but he could probably scope out. which ones did and which ones didn't.

>> And so, a lot of people are saying, "Yeah, okay, maybe Al Gore was at the. island, but we don't think that he was. doing crazy stuff." And Virginia says. that he was nothing but nice and loved. his wife. However, in 2010, he is. accused, Al Gore is accused of making. unwanted advances to a masseuse at a. Portland hotel in 2006, which he was. cleared of by the DA. The DA said no. Al. Gore has also passionately denied any of. these allegations, but netizens believe, if true, sounds straight out of.

Epstein's playbook. I don't know. Take. it as you will. Okay, everybody's got a. different opinion. Virginia also states. in her deposition they Epstein and. Galain instructed me to go to George. Mitchell. George Mitchell may or may not. sound familiar. He is a former US. senator for the state of Maine. He was a. former Senate majority leader. He was a. special envoy for then President Bill. Clinton and then later a special envoy. for the Middle East peace for then. President Barack Obama. He's also 92. freaking years old right now. So I don't.

blame you if you don't know this man. But he also wrote a heartfelt meaningful. message for Epstein and what is now. dubbed the birthday book. >> What. it reads in short, "Dear Jeffrey, the. beginning of the new year is an. appropriate time to count our blessings. Among mine is your friendship. It's been. more than a decade since we met by. chance at an airport in Washington. During that time, you've been a good. friend. I'm grateful for that and for. what I hope will be many more years of. your friendship. Among your blessings. has been the opportunity to lead a full,

exciting, and fantastically varied life. Now that you've reached a critical. milestone, I hope you will intensify. your activities in the widest possible. range of issues, especially in the field. of science where you've already done so. much. With my congratulations, gratitude, [music]. and best wishes, George Mitchell. George. Mitchell states that he never victimized. Virginia, stating, "The allegation. contained in the release documents is. false. I've never met, spoken with, or. had contact with the alleged victim. A. spokesperson later states during the. time he knew Epstein, he had no. knowledge of Epstein's actions involving.

underage girls, stating that once he. did, he [music] quote he never had any. contact with Mr. Epstein again. Virginia. states in the deposition that quote, "They instructed me to go to George. Mitchell, Jean Luke Brunell," which. again, we've talked about him in. previous episodes. He's a huge figure in. the Epstein case. He's dead now, thank. God, but please refer to those episodes. We're going to cover him briefly in the. next part as well, [music] but she. states that she was sent to George. Mitchell, John Luke Bernell, and Bill. Richardson. Bill Richardson being the.

former governor of New Mexico and the. former US ambassador for the UN and. energy secretary during the Clinton. administration. One of Epstein's biggest. properties, Zoro Ranch, was in New. Mexico. Later on, on page 200 of the. deposition, Galain's attorney asks. Virginia, "Gain Maxwell told you to go. give a massage to Bill Richardson.". Correct. Correct. When did Galain. Maxwell tell you to go give a massage to. Bill Richardson? I don't know dates. When Galain Maxwell used the words, "Go. give a massage to Bill Richardson. Where.

were you?" Virginia's like, "I can't. tell you where we were. I know that I. was sent to I don't know where we were. when she told me to do that." Cuz again, it's like I mean, she was going. everywhere with them. Where exactly. where she was, she doesn't know. Where. were you sent to? New Mexico. Bill. Richardson spokesperson has stated these. allegations and inferences are. completely false. To be clear, in. Governor Richardson's limited. interactions with Mr. Abstein, he never. saw him in the presence of young or. underage girls. Governor Richardson has. never met Mr. Fry. And that is not the.

only governor with ties to Epstein. It's. actually far from the only governor. Thomas Pritsker is part of a very. wealthy family. He's not a [music]. governor, but his cousin is. the current. Illinois governor JB Pritsker who has. been associated with Epstein. He. vehemently denies the association. I do. think that Governor JB Pritsker's. association with Epstein is I couldn't. find a lot on it. So he's like I've.

never had contact with Epstein. As for. my cousin Thomas, I barely talked to. that guy. Thomas Pritsker is not the governor, but. he is the executive chairman of Hyatt. Hotels. >> Wow. >> Some people believe with no proof or. evidence because we weren't in the room. We don't know anything. Um, some people. believe that he is billionaire number. two in Virginia's book, though there is. no proof of that. She says about.

billionaire number two. Again, this is. no proof that this is the chairman of. Hyatt Hotels or Thomas Pritsker or. anyone, but she writes in her book, "Epstein made it clear that he wanted me. to give this 50-year-old stranger with. thinning brown hair a massage. So, when. we arrived, I accompanied this man to. his cottage. He does appear to have some thinning. brown hair, but again, that is not. proof. There's not even association, but. just saying." She states that she tried. her absolute best to put on her most. professional sounding voice because she.

thought that he would get the message. Again, this is not about Thomas. Pritskar. This is about billionaire. number two. He did not. And at the end, he offered to pay her triple what. Epstein was paying [music] her if she. came to work for him. She was terrified. she politely declined and then told. Epstein about it because remember Epste. [music] has a picture of her brother. Virginia states in her deposition they. instructed me to go [music] to George. Mitchell, John Luke Bernell, Bill. Richardson, the governor, another. prince, I don't know a name, [music] um, a guy that owns a hotel, a really large.

hotel chain. I can't remember which. hotel it was. So, that's where people. are speculating [music] that it's Thomas. Pritsker and that he might be unnamed in. the book because perhaps she found out. how powerful this man is. Or maybe she. doesn't know his name. Again, there's no. proof that it's Thomas Pritsker, but in. the recent email releases, Epstein does. refer to him as quote like family. [music]. does not suggest any wrongdoing. They. also had cordial emails sent back and. forth.

So, Netzens have been putting together. all the clues online. And again, whether. we're right or not is to be determined. hopefully when the documents released. But Virginia describes in her book that. she was quote lent out to a psychology. professor whose research was Epstein was. funding his research. The professor ends. up on Epstein's island. She describes.

him as a quirky little man with a. balding page, white hair, crazy mad. scientist look. It seemed he wasn't used. to being with women. Epste instructs. Virginia to keep him happy. Eventually. the professor. he I mean they spend like all day doing. water sports and all these other. activities and then finally he's like. hey can I get one of those famous. massages that Epstein has told me so. much about and she knows exactly what. that means. She takes him to a cabana. and gives him a quote rubbed down that. ends in intercourse. And she says, "The.

psychologist was only the first of many. academics from prestigious universities. who I was forced to service sexually.". The fallout in academia has been. massive. Um, again, if you refer to our. previous episodes, Epstein really liked. to believe himself an intellectual and. he would use his corruptly gained funds. to then fund these research projects and.

centers at prestigious universities. People said that Epstein was a collector. of crimes, minors, but also of. scientists. It it gave him a kick to. associate and be around these very. objectively intelligent people and he. was heavily associated with Harvard. University, MIT and Brown University. which led in a massive fallout of even. the presidents of these universities.

having to resign or some of them. Okay, Larry Summers recently went viral. because he was the former Harvard. president. He's an economics professor. He goes, the emails get dumped. He's got. emails. I'm gonna go into this later, but he has a wife at the time. He's got. emails with Epstein where he's like, "I'm trying to judge up this girl that. I'm trying to date and I need advice.". And Epstein is giving him, you know, and. Yeah. >> Wow. >> So then he goes into his classroom the. next day filled with Harvard students.

and he's like, "Hey, so I'm here to. teach. I'm not here to talk about the. emails.". >> Oh. After this has been exposed. >> Yeah. and then he um I believe he. resigned. So, >> some of you will have seen my statement. of regret expressing my shame uh with. respect to what I did in communication. with Mr. Epstein and that I've said that. I'm going to step back from public. activities. for a time, but but I think it's very.

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[music]. Netzens found Virginia's first original. manuscript for her memoir. So that was a. whole thing. She had another manuscript. for a memoir, but she was misguided by a. journalist who told her, "If you. fictionalize a lot of things, then you. can't be sued because you could argue. it's a work of fiction." So then she. kind of fictionalized a few things in. the manuscript. It was never published. But a lot of attorneys that are against.

victims, they've been using it as like, "Well, you lied in that. How do we know. you didn't lie in everything else?" God. forbid anyone write a novel once in a. while. like it doesn't make any sense. But in that manuscript, she does name. him as Steven. And so with that, Netzens. put together that it may or may not may. or may not be Steven Pinker. She says Steven was a quirky little man. with white hair and a mad scientist. Look about him. He is also Steven Pinker.

is also a Harvard professor like Larry. Summers [music] and he is someone who. had previously rallied against cancel. culture and then uh he started blocking. anyone who mentions Epstein in his. mentions. So okay. >> Wow. >> He has no associ he says that he has no. association with Epstein other than. quote other than third parties who have. invited us to some of the same events. He also states that is not me. I've. never set foot on Epstein's Island, nor. any of his other residences. This is not.

to say that Juy's accusations are true, just that they are not about me. We. don't know if Steven Pinker is. associated with Epstein in any sort of. sinister way, and there is no proof that. he is the psychology professor described. in Virginia's book, but that's just the. discourse. Then we have Marvin Minsky. He is a prominent MIT cognitive and. computer scientist. He helped co-found. the AI division, like the AI research. center at MIT. He's also dead. He died. in 2016. Yeah. Virginia states in her.

2016 deposition. They instructed me to. go to George Mitchell, John Luke. Brunell, Bill Richardson, another. prince, I don't know his name, a guy. that owns a hotel, a really large hotel. chain. I can't remember which hotel it. was, [music] and Marvin Minsky. There. was just a whole bunch of them that I. just, it's just hard for me to remember. all of them, you know? I was told to do. something by these people constantly. told to. My whole life revolved around. just pleasing these [music] men and. keeping Galain and Jeffrey happy. And. their whole entire lives revolved around. sex. They call massages sex. They call.

modeling sex. Virginia's asked, "Where. did you go to have sex with Marvin. Minsky?" [music] I believe it was the US. Virgin Island, Jeff's um Jeffrey. Epstein's island and the US Virgin. [music] Islands, Epstein Island, which. Virginia's attorneys later check. records. And in 2002, while Virginia is. being trafficked by Epstein, [music]. sure enough, Epstein and Minsky hosted a. gathering with prominent figures in AI. on the island. That's not to say. definitively that that is evidence that.

she was trafficked to Minsky, [music]. but there is a connection there. Virginia states transparently, "This. could have been when I was trafficked to. him for the first time. I'm not sure of. the date. What I do know is that Minsky. was in his 70s then. precisely 56 years. older than me. We shared a birthday and. I remember what happened. >> Wow. >> She alleges in her book that she was. sent into one of the cabanas and she. will never forget Minsk's bald head and. just trying to focus on the waves.

outside, the sound of the waves as she. was forced to. Later in the book, she details how when. she first went public with accusations. against Marvin Minsky, a colleague of. Minsky's at MIT, Richard Stallman, sent. [music] out an email blast suggesting. that Virginia was a willing participant. in the cabana. [music]. According to Virginia, he wrote, quote, "We can imagine many scenarios, but the. most plausible scenario is that she. presented herself to him as entirely.

willing." But according to NPR, this is. also the type of guy that writes, "I am. skeptical of the claim [music] that. voluntary harms children. The argument. that it causes harm seems to be based on. cases which aren't voluntary, which are. then stretched by parents who are. horrified that their little baby is. maturing." [music] He later takes it. back and says that he spoke with victims. and he changed his mind about it, which. I didn't know that you had to personally. talk to victims to see why this take. should put someone in prison, but okay.

He had to resign after that. But it was. not just MIT under fire. Like I said, it. was Brown University. It was Harvard. University. And it's also the. billionaire's dinner host, John Brockman. John Brockman owned one. of the most powerful literary agencies. in the world of academia. He is the one. that's publishing all of these books. from these scientists and these think. tanks. and he would host this. billionaire's dinner annually at the. annual TED conference, TED Talk.

Conference in Monterey. Yeah. >> Yeah. Virginia describes in her memoir that at. one point she flew from Epstein's. property in Zoro Ranch to Northern. California near San Francisco [music]. where Epste had all these meetings and. they were in town for the billionaire's. dinner hosted by John Brockman which. [music] also the TED conference is there. and Virginia describes Brockman as being. a fixer for [music] Epstein. So he would. connect Epstein to scientists who were.

doing research that Epstein was. interested in funding. And again, a lot. of people are like, okay, this is where. a lot of conspiracies come in. Some. people are saying, hey, he was a. narcissist. He was this kid from. Brooklyn who was obsessed with the ultra. elite. He wanted to be the smartest guy. in the room, so he surrounds himself. with all of these scientists so that he. could present himself as one of them. And then there are others that are like, or he's an Israeli spy. that's also. funding all of these major things. There's like a lot of conspiracies. It.

really depends on the rabbit hole that. you want to go down. And I think also. conspiracies are one of those things. where it really depends on the day that. you're reading them. Some days you feel. a little more conspiratorial. Some days. you don't. So I guess that's up for. everyone to decide which rabbit hole. they want to go down. But Virginia. states in her book, "In due time, Epstein would force me to have sex with. at least two other people in Brockman's. circle. This does not implicate John. Brockman directly. He might truly have. no idea what Epstein was doing, but he's.

also connected to Marvin Minsky, Steven. Pinker. I mean, they are all academics, so that could be why. But there could be. something else. I will say it's very. interesting that he's been pretty quiet. He has not really said much. But, um, again, this is not to say that he is. definitively connected to any wrongdoing. at all. I'm just saying it's a name that. comes up. But one of the most terrifying. people listed in Virginia's [music] book. is a former prime minister of a nation.

In Virginia's deposition, she is asked, "If you're confused by a question, you. need to let me know so I can clarify the. question." Okay. Okay. For example, if I. asked you the question, were you. sexually trafficked to a foreign. president? Do you understand what that. question means? Yes. What does it mean? Was I lent out for the purposes of sex. to a foreign person, president? All. right. What is the answer to that. question? Yes. Virginia describes this man in legal. documents as quote a well-known prime.

minister. She says this was the most. violent man that she has ever witnessed. Quote, "He wanted violence." She. describes as how he would choke her. until she loses consciousness only to. bring her back and do it all over again. It's like he took pleasure in her fear. for her life, in her begging for her. life. She says horrifically, the prime. minister laughed when he hurt [music] me. and got more aroused when I begged him. to stop. I emerged from the cabana,

bleeding from my mouth and down there. She says for days it hurt to breathe and. to swallow. She said it was the most. terrifying experience of her [music]. life that she got on her knees. afterwards and begged Epstein to promise. her to never send her back to the prime. minister ever again. She doesn't know if Epstein owed this. man or was in fear for this man or what, but instead of promising to never. traumatize her like that ever again, he. just coldly [music] says, "Yeah, you'll. get that sometimes.". Referring to the violence of the prime.

minister. Virginia writes, "Epstein. cared only about Epstein." She says the. prime minister's assault was so bad that. quote, "At that point, I hit bottom. I. now knew I wouldn't survive. I saw only. two possible options. Either someone. Epstein trafficked me to would kill me, or I would self-exit. She details the second time that she's. sent to [music] service the prime. minister on Epstein's private jet. She. says she was in fear for her life, but. maybe it's the lack of privacy on a. private jet. Thankfully, he did not. enact physical violence in the form of.

choking and causing her to bleed all. over like the first assault, but this. was just a regular assault. Virginia. says, "I didn't know it then, but my. second interaction with the prime. minister was the beginning of the end. for me." In the book, the prime minister. is unnamed, but it's not because. Virginia does not know this man's name. She says, "While we need to be brave. about naming our abusers, we must also. protect ourselves. There are certain men. who I fear naming." She says, "For the. prime minister, I know [music] his name. and he knows what he did to me. Even.

though when others have sought comment. from him about my allegations, he has. denied them. I fear that this man will. seek to hurt me if I say his name here.". There are two guesses online about who. this former prime minister could be. The. most common conspiracies and thoughts. come down to two, with some saying that. it could be the former prime minister of. the United Kingdom, Tony Blair, with. some netizens pointing out how odd it is. that Tony Blair was invited to the White. House shortly before Virginia's memoir.

was released. According to some reports, Tony Blair and Prince Andrew and Jeffrey. Epstein were buds. They all knew each. other. And the Daily Mail in Australia. has reportedly stated whether this is. accurate or inaccurate. Is up for debate. that the prime minister in the book is a. British ex-p prime minister. But a lot. of netizens actually don't think that. the prime minister in question is Tony. Blair. Not that Tony Blair is off the. hook in the eyes of netizens. A lot of. netizens don't like Tony Blair, but they. think specifically that this prime.

minister is the former prime minister of. Israel, Ehoud Barack. According to the. Times of Israel, Eruhood Barack had. visited Epstein 30 times in 2013 to. 2017, which is not the same timeline as. when Virginia was being trafficked, obviously, but the netizen speculations. being that those are just the years that. are tracked andor released. He could. have been friendly with him for a. [music] very long time. In fact, Barack. himself states that he had met Epstein. in the early 2000s. But of course, he. denies any sort of wrongdoing, stating.

that yes, he had gone to Epstein's house. a few times. quote, "I came to his house. quite a few times with my wife. However, there are pictures, right? There are. pictures [music] of who it appears to be. a hood Barack entering Jeffrey's [music]. um Manhattan townhouse and a lot of. young women also entering allegedly. around that same time frame. Could be. his wife's friends, could be not." But. [music] furthermore, his spokesperson. did state that yes, he had attended.

several small functions in Mr. Absin's. home in New York. But if the Times of. Israel is to be believed, 30 times in. the span of a few years is hardly. several. It sounds like a lot. He's also. quite friendly with. >> [music]. >> um Colombia's Andre Pastana. And. Virginia reports in her deposition that. she met another huge politician, a. leader of a foreign country that had a. Spanish [music] accent. So people think. that that could be Andre Pastana, but. that has not been proven at all. Um,

none of this has been proven in the. court of law. And that is not to say. that any of this is not true or that. Virginia is not to be believed. I mean, I don't think that there's really anyone. who doesn't believe Virginia, but I. think it's um I mean, you see what's. going on with the Epstein Files, of. course, right? But some argue that the. timeline with the ex British Prime. Minister Tony Blair makes more sense. However, it it's just more people seem. to be theorizing that it's the former. Israeli prime minister. With one one.

nizen commenting, "No wonder the US. government doesn't want to release. anything. It would paint a very bad. picture on their bestie nation, but none. has painted a worse picture aside from. the US than what is being done in the. United Kingdom." At one point, Prince. Andrew was known as the playboy of the. royal family. [music] He is divorced. from his wife Sarah Ferguson. And. according to some reports, after he. divorced his wife, he started having an. on andoff relationship with Galain. Maxwell. >> What. >> the first real mention of Prince Andrew. comes in on page 86 [music] of.

Virginia's memoir. She talks about how. Galain had left for a while to meet up. [music] with her old friend Prince. Andrew, who was going to go to the Heidi. Clume annual Halloween party. And again, there is Heidi Clume's name does come. up, but it doesn't seem like she has any. strong association. I will say that her. annual Halloween party, everyone's. invited. I mean, I've never been. invited, but it seems like a lot of. people are invited, if that makes sense. It doesn't seem like a, "Hey, this is a. very intimate gathering of people that I. vetted and I love to hang out with." And. Prince Andrew was going to be there.

Galain was going to be there along with. Donald and Melania Trump. This is in. like the early 2000s before they ever. became residents of the White House. But. that is not when Virginia meets him. Virginia meets Prince Andrew [music] in. London in March 10th of 2001. And that. day is already starting off very [music]. different for Virginia. Galain is in a. particularly good mood, perhaps too. good. She wakes Virginia up in a sing. songy voice. Get out of bed, sleepy. head. Galain tells her that just like.

Cinderella, she's going to be lucky. enough to meet a handsome prince. Prince. Andrew is going to be in town, so hurry. up and get ready. So the whole day they. go out shopping. Glane is pulling all. the stops purchasing a Burberry bag for. Virginia. Three separate outfits. Two of. them are Gla's [music] pics. Very sexy, sophisticated dresses. The third option. was Virginia. She said, "I just wanted. to look like Britney Spears and. Christina Aguilera cuz those were my. idols because she's [music] like 17 at. this point." And she chose a cropped. t-shirt and a sparkly like sparkly. jeans. She begs Galain to wear that.

outfit. It's a whole ordeal. Virginia. convinces her and nothing is going to. ruin the moment for Galain because. Prince Andrew walks in through the. townhouse doors in London and Galain, according to Virginia, is acting even. more playful and flirtatious, like a. little flirt. You know, that's kind of. how she describes her. Very coetish, like cheeky. And immediately she just. she wants [music] to play one of her. favorite games, which is basically guess. the age of the child. Guess Virginia's.

age. Come on. Prince Andrew, according. to Virginia, guesses correctly. 17 years. old. Everyone's impressed. And a sick. response, Prince Andrew allegedly tells. Virginia it's because his daughters are. just a little younger, so he's really. good at guessing ages. Galain, however, has another joke. I guess we'll have to. trade her in soon. >> Wow. >> That night, Virginia follows Epstein and. Galain's lead, calling Prince Andrew. Andy. And then Virginia has this moment. where she realizes that as weird as all.

of this is, "This is Prince Andrew." She. writes in her book, "I suddenly thought. of something. My mom would never forgive. me if I met someone as famous as [music]. Prince Andrew and didn't pose for a. picture. She grabs her disposable. camera. Epstein takes the photo for her. It's the prince with his arm around her. waist and Galain behind them. And a lot. of people say she smiles like a. Cheshshire cat. [music] And most notably. in the picture, Virginia looks very. young. She looks like a teenager. This. photo would go on to haunt the royal.

family for [music] decades and it. probably will until the end of time. >> But at the same time, that photo almost. changed everything, too. >> Yeah, >> that decision changed everything. >> because even with that photo, Prince. Andrew said, I don't remember taking. that photo. So, that photo could be fake. for all I know. >> If she didn't even have this photo, I. don't know what he would have said. I. don't know what kind of things he would. have tried to do. >> Mhm. After small talk, they decide. Epstein, Galain, and Virginia are going. to get in one car. Prince Andrew and a.

security detail are going to get in. another car. They're going to go out to. eat at a restaurant and immediately go. to a London nightclub called [music]. [ __ ] Virginia remembers the prince. getting her a cocktail and dancing and. he's just so sweaty on the dance floor, which side [music] note, this is not. unbelievable information. a lot of. reporters and journalists and a lot of. tabloids that have followed Prince. Andrew through the years because he was. um he's just always been a very. problematic royal. He's always been a.

very big partyier, a clubgoer. A lot of. people say that he like really gets in. on the dance floor like he'd just be. dancing on the dance floor. So, this is. not oh my gosh, unbelievable. We can. never imagine a royal would do this. He. did that a lot. Then as they head back. to Galain's townhouse because Prince. Andrew is in a separate car, Virginia. states that Galain tells her, "When we. get home, you are to do for him what you. do for Jeffrey." Virginia writes in her. book again, "Her sections on Prince. Andrew are very detailed and thorough.

This is just a brief synopsis, but she. says, "Back at the house, Maxwell and. Epstein said good [music] night. Headed. upstairs, signaling it was time that I. take care of the prince." In the years. since, I thought a lot about how he. behaved. He was friendly enough, but. still entitled, as if he believed having. sex with me was [music] his birthright. She explains that she first drew him a. bath. He gets in the tub, but he seems. pretty eager to get to the bedroom, so. that was quick. [music] And he starts. licking Virginia's feet, caressing her. toes, and she says, "It was a first for.

me." And it tickled. Then he was rushing. to get to the final part. And [music] um. quote, "Afterward, he said, "Thank you.". in his clipped British accent. In my. memory, the whole thing lasted less than. half an hour. She remembers the next. morning Golain praising her. You did. well. The prince had fun. But she did. not know that that picture from that. night. She said, quote, I had no idea. what a commotion this photo would later. cause. We're not done, though. A month. later, Prince Andrew reunites with this.

trafficking duo, Epste and Galain. This. time, he goes to New York City. There's. another party president, Johanna, another one of Epstein's victims. Galain. this time gives the prince a puppet that. says it's uh Prince Andrew and they take. a picture on the couch. It's a puppet. holding one of Virginia's breasts and. Johanna sitting on the prince's lap and. the prince with his hand, his actual. hand on Johanna's chest. [music] And. Virginia says the symbolism was. impossible to ignore. Johanna and I were.

Galain and Epstein's puppets and they. were pulling the strings and later they. sent me to a bedroom where I had sex. with the prince [music] for a second. time. the third time that she's with. Prince Andrew. She doesn't recall the. exact date, but she says that it was on. Epstein's island and it was an orgy. Virginia says, "I was around 18. Epstein, Andy, and approximately eight. other young girls and [music] I had. together." The other girls all seemed. and appeared to be under the age of 18. and didn't really speak English. Epstein.

laughed about how they couldn't really. communicate, saying they are the easiest. girls to get along with. Virginia. doesn't distinctively remember if she. was 17 or 18 at the time. During. Virginia's deposition, she's asked by. Galain Maxwell's attorney, "To whom did. Galain Maxwell actually traffic you?". You have to understand that Jeffrey and. Galain are joined by hip by hip. Okay? So, they both trafficked me. Galain. brought me in for the purpose of being. trafficked. Jeffrey was just as part of. it as she was. She was just as part of. it as he was. They trafficked me to many.

people. And to be honest, there there's. people I could name and then there's. people that are just a blur. There was. so much happening. Okay, please name a. person that Gla Maxwell directed you to. go have with. Prince Andrew. Later, Prince Andrew goes to state to. the BBC in 2019. [music]. I don't remember meeting her at all. I. don't remember that photograph ever. being taken. You can't prove whether or. not that photograph is faked or not. >> I don't recollect that photograph ever. being [music] taken. Epstein later in a. third-party email. He's not talking to.

the prince. He's talking to a third. party. Yes, Virginia was on my plane and. yes, she had her picture taken with. Andrew as many of my employees have, further cementing the thought that. nobody had, that the photo is doctorred. It's not doctorred. He also states to. the BBC, Prince Andrew does, that it. couldn't have been him because first of. all, he can't sweat. It was almost. impossible for me to to to sweat. >> What do you mean it can't be him? What. cannot be him? This whole story cannot.

be him. >> Yes. Because he had when he was in a war. like he was in the military, he had so. much adrenaline rushing through him that. he could not he had he developed a. condition where he could not persprate, he could not sweat, which his medical. records do show that he did have that. condition, but it's very temporary. And. a lot of other reporters have stated. that they have seen him as they. paparazzi him coming out of places out. of functions heavily sweating. He also. states that he took his daughters to go. eat pizza that day. So couldn't have.

been him. And so with that, a lot of. people are very curious to see if the. Epstein files are dropped this year, what's going to come out about Prince. Andrew? because it does seem like maybe. the royal family, they are preparing for. something to come out. It would seem. that way perhaps. There are also a lot. of small connections mentioned in. Virginia's book as well. On page 116 of. her memoir, Virginia details having. interacted with the Simpsons creator. Matthew Groaning. She alleges that he.

was riding on Epstein's private jet, which has been confirmed by flight logs, that Matt was on his flight February. 23rd, 2001. So, that's not alleged. But. Virginia states, "I just recall that. Epstein required me to massage Groing's. feet, which were calloused and sweaty. and in terrible shape. I did as I was. told, as usual, tempering my disgust. with the knowledge that I'd now met the. genius who'd invented the dysfunctional. family, Homer, Marge, Bart, Lisa, and. Maggie Simpson, that helped me survive.

my own family. Before we touched down, Groing kindly drew me two sketches that. I asked him to sign for my little. brother and my dad. I never had any. contact with Groing. It seems that Matt. Groing was arranged to fly with Epstein. by his agent, and he has crusty feet, but that seems to be really his only. connection. It doesn't seem like he has. any other strong connections as of right. now. So, it doesn't seem like he's a. reoccurring person in the world of. Epstein. Then there's disgraced actor.

Kevin Spacy. Virginia details in her. book that she wasn't on this flight, but. she knew that Epste and Galain were. preparing to fly to Africa on Epstein's. private jet with a bunch of high-profile. people. Chris Tucker, actor, Kevin. Spacy, actor, and former President Bill. Clinton. More on Bill Clinton later, but. Kevin Spacy recently released a. statement on X. Release the Epstein. files. All of them. For those of us with. nothing to fear, the truth can't come. soon enough. I hate to make this about. me, but the media already has. I mean,

the media barely has, but okay. However, I will note that he has not been accused. of wrongdoing in direct connection with. Epstein. But also, I believe that he's. gay. So, I don't think that he's I don't. know. I I don't think that Epstein has. had any um Okay, so Kevin Spacy was. accused by many male actors in the. industry that he had harmed them when. they were children. He has been. acquitted and there's just a lot of uh.

Kevin Spacy is a whole rabbit hole of. its own, so I'm not really going to. touch that. But Spacy states that he. traveled with Epstein and President. Clinton and Chris Tucker to Africa for. Clinton's advocacy tour, which could. make sense. Chris Tucker also states. that he like went to a trip to Africa. for this advocacy tour because like when. a former president calls you to come for. an advocacy tour, you just kind of go, right? You don't really And it does seem. that Chris Tucker is not really um. immersed in the Epstein world in any. way. So, a lot of people don't. necessarily associate him with Epstein.

in that context. A surprising name to. come up in the book, however, is. well-known actor George Clooney. Virginia states that Galain would brag. about quote enjoyed repeating that once. at some random event she'd taken the. actor George Clooney into a bathroom and. given him a [ __ ] Whether it was true. or not, we would never know is what. Virginia writes. >> We climb. >> Yeah. Maxwell said that she went down on. Clooney and one net and I'm not laughing. cuz I think that this is funny, but I'm. laughing because one netzen comments, I.

call [ __ ] Not because I have. sympathy for Clooney. I actually think. he's a [ __ ] actor. This is the netizen. comment, but because it doesn't pass the. smell test. Why would a guy I don't. agree with the sentiment, but the. comment goes, why would a guy who can. have anyone in Hollywood except a BJ. from a woman with a face like a Doberman. suffering from a hair lip? This is just. an obvious lie that defies sanity. And. while I don't agree with that kind of. thought process, I do agree that she. does look like a Doberman sometimes.

However, one name that nizens are less. forgiving of is Naomi Campbell. In her. deposition, Virginia states that she was. forced to service Galain in the south of. France before Naomi [music]. Campbell's 35th birthday party. She. says, "We are going to Naomi Campbell's. birthday party. It wasn't at the. birthday party, which Gain Maxwell's. attorney, who is deposing Virginia, is I. think probably a very slappable. individual." But they ask, [music] "And. who else was present during your. supposedual contact with Galain Maxwell. on this occasion?" To which immediately.

Virginia hits back, it wasn't supposed. it actually happened. and Galain was. present. Jeffrey was present. I believe. Emily Taylor was also present who was a. longtime assistant for Galain. They go. to Naomi Campbell's birthday party. There is a picture that went viral of. Virginia Du Fray at this party. surrounded [music] by wealthy attendees. and the implication being really nobody. could tell that Epstein [music] and. Galain are flaunting around an underage. child. And while nothing implicates.

Naomi Campbell of any wrongdoing in this. specific case, I believe that she has. her own criminal back and forth. She was. like accused of assaulting an employee. multiple time [music] like physically. There was a lot. Okay. Naomi Campbell, I. will say, is a legend in her own right. and she is undeniably beautiful and has. set her own path in the modeling world. and she is innocent in the eyes of the. law in this association. But her name.

constantly coming up [music] with. Jeffrey Epstein, Golain Maxwell, and. Shawn Combmes, I would imagine that that. makes a lot of people very wary about. her. July 2009, Epstein is released from. jail after serving 13 months. So, this. is a huge part of why people want the. files released. In 2008, an. investigation is opened in Epstein. Well, actually, it's opened far before. that. Then Alexander Acasta, huge. political figure. He basically gives.

Epstein [music]. the world's most insane plea deal where. he will then serve 13 months for two. state charges of procuring a child for. [music] work and soliciting sex work. >> I'm here to say we did what we did. because we wanted to see Epstein go to. jail. He needed to go to jail. He was. supposed to do a measly 18 months, but. even that clearly too harsh for a great. upstanding man like Epstein. He was. released in 13 months and promptly.

placed on house [music] arrest. And even. during this so-called prison sentence, they let him out for work release. because a businessman like Epstein, [music] a sex trafficker, business never. stops. So, this is why it's even more. puzzling that after all of this in 2010, there is a party hosted for Prince. Andrew at Epstein's New York City. townhouse. [music]. All the allegations have gone public. Well, not all of them, but he has plead. guilty and he got this plea deal. And. apparently CBS News anchorwoman Katie. Kurrick, [music] Good Morning America.

news anchor George Stephanopoulos were. there, which people have been bringing. up their name. These two people, I find. it to be very reasonable that they're. there considering they are journalists. who um they do tend to go into the fire. to figure out who the arsonist is, right? That's I don't imagine that. they're just like hanging out with them. for as best buds, right? Um but netizens. were initially very puzzled because. Chelsea Handler, the comedian, was. present. Now, [music] she does clarify,

I had no clue who Epstein was. And you. have to remember in 2009, the. allegations were public, meaning that. everyone around Epstein in his circle, his friends, they knew what happened to. Epstein, but he was not. >> this big of a figure as we know today. >> So, she's like, I don't know this guy. I. actually went with Katie Kurrick [music]. and also we didn't stay for long. Chelsea Handler actually left because. she runs into Woody Allen and his wife. Sunni Preven who was um Woody Allen was. married to actress Mia Pharaoh who. [music] adopted Sunni Preven. And then.

Woody Allen divorced Mia and married. Sunni Preven, the little child he. watched grow up. But Chelsea Handler. states, [music] "So she goes there and. she asks Woody Allen how he and his wife. met." cuz she was I was she was like I. was curious. I had forgotten for a. moment and so I asked them because I. would ask any other couple but as soon. as it came out of my mouth I knew it was. too late and I was like uh she says that. Woody Allen loved it. Suni she doesn't. think heard it but Katie the one that.

the reporter who invited her was like we. got to go we got to go. Chelsea Handler. does not appear to have any sort of. association with Epstein, but um her. name did come up in the book and so just. to mention, but the same cannot be said. for some of the most powerful. politicians [music] in the world. In. part two, we're going to go over in. depth the emails that were released, the. birthday book, and the things that are. connecting [music] Donald Trump, Bill. Clinton, Bill Gates, Alexander Aosta,

the DOJ to Jeffrey Epstein. [music]. So stay tuned for part two. Be safe and. I will see you in the next one.