China's "Red Uncle/Sister Hong" Exposed W/ 1600+ Victims But Became The Biggest MEME

[Music]. Bada bing, bada boom. >> The city of Nanjing in China is probably. the equivalent to Chicago in the United. States. Just in terms of population, you're talking about at least 9 million. residents, which means theoretically if. somebody farts or sneezes on one side of. Chicago, you would imagine that at least. 8,999,990. people don't care and don't even hear. it, don't even smell it. Maybe unless.

you're the mayor of the city or someone. with five cans of WD40 strapped to their. chest and a lighter, it is very unlikely. that one person's actions in a city as. big as Chicago or Nanjing, China, you're. probably not going to impact the whole. city. July 2025, something weird is. happening in Nanjing. The ones who know. about it and are talking about it. online, they're all boycotting any. future travel into and through Nanjing. Like you would think that there's an. outbreak of some sorts. They're talking.

about nanjing online as if something. incredibly dangerous, contagious is. spreading inside the city with the. residents. Some people online don't even. want to come in contact with someone. that's been in the city of Nanjing in. the past year. These are people outside. of Nanjing. Some people inside of. Nanjing, nothing. They have no idea. what's going on. They have no idea what. people on the other side of the country. or the other side of the world are. saying about their city. In fact, there's this one guy. He posts online. and he's just saying something weird has. been happening. Okay, so he was on the.

street the other day. He lives in the. city of Nanjing if you need some. context, which really isn't that. pertinent. Or so he thought. He was. going to go visit his uncle and he. didn't want to go empty-handed. His. uncle loves fruit. His favorite fruit is. watermelon. He goes to the store, purchases the biggest watermelon that. they have, which on second thought might. not be the smartest idea because now. he's hauling this massive watermelon. down the block. And a stranger stops. him, literally smirks at him and sneers. He's like, "What the hell is wrong with.

this stranger? Like, I didn't even bump. into you. I didn't do anything to you. Going to see your old man.". >> That's crazy. >> This guy online is like, "I I mean, I've. lived in Nanjing my whole life. Strangers don't talk to each other. It's. not like America where you make small. talk. It's like everyone goes about. their day. Everyone's busy. It's a bal. type of hurry hurry culture there as. well. The tone is kind of malicious also. which is throwing him off and it's so. weird. Is he about to get jumped on the. street for a watermelon? He responds, "Yeah." The stranger looks him up and.

down and shoots him. A look that can. only be described as utmost disgust. Like if someone were to step on a. cockroach barefoot in the middle of. summer and then half that cockroach. carcass just sticks to their bottom of. their soul. That's what it looks like. And then the stranger just walks off. Mr. Watermelon has no clue what this. entire interaction was about, but it's. all connected. Mr. Watermelon, the. internet boycotting travel to Nanjing.

And somehow even that's all connected to. Nanjing gyms and fitness centers that. are all seemingly at the same time on. the brink of collapse simultaneously. It. seems like every single gym in the city. is on the verge of shutting down. Some. of them are even trying to sell private. training lessons for $13. for three sessions and they're still not. selling any. And if you start tracing it. all back to when this all happens, you. can almost pinpoint a day that this all.

starts. July 5th, 2025. It's the day that a person the internet. has now nicknamed Uncle Red gets. arrested. Because after Uncle Red's. arrest, nothing and nobody is the same. How the hell is the entire city impacted. by this one man's arrest? It could be. the thousand plus videos that he has on. Nanjing citizens. Secretly recorded. videos of random Nanjing residents.

during the most intimate moments of. their lives. It could be that or it. could just be that Uncle Red is kind of. crazy. [Music]. We would like to thank today's sponsors.

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the social context of everything. Today's case involves mentions of. illegal distribution of intimate moments. without a party's consent, video. footage. Today's case is also unique in. the sense that it's going to be. discourseheavy. So, the crime itself is. ongoing, but much of the conversation. and the internet reaction has become. part of the case itself. Like, you can't. really separate the two. It's not one. where I can be like, "Hey, so I'm going. to tell you about the case." And then. maybe a few little internet comments. here. It's so embedded. You can't talk. about one without the other. Otherwise,

it feels like you're not getting the. full picture of what's happening out. there. So, I'm going to tell you. everything that's been happening in the. effort to present all sides of the case. Just because I'm telling you what people. are saying online does not mean that I'm. endorsing what they're saying or trying. to make light of a situation. But like I. said, the discourse is almost becoming. bigger than the case itself. And to. ignore that would not make it go away. I. mean, it's still there. Just because we. don't like to hear certain conversations. doesn't mean those conversations are. going to stop or they cease to exist.

happening. So keep that in mind. Now, the biggest note to go into this case is. it involves a male identifying. perpetrator who by most reports and. accounts seems to only portray. themselves as a woman online to lure in. straight men to engage in acts. So, with. the perpetrator's end goal being to. secretly film videos, our team had. multiple extensive conversations about. the best way to identify the. perpetrator. And ultimately, we decided. since there is zero public indication.

that the perpetrator identifies as. anything other than male in any other. context than when they're trying to. commit violations for monetary profit, we will be using he him pronouns. That. said, we understand that there could be. a slim possibility that the perpetrator. is suppressing their gender identity. since they may not live in the most. progressive city in the world. There's. no indication of that that we found so. far, but we just want to make it clear. we are not intentionally purposefully. misgendering someone if that is indeed. the case. It's just in this moment with.

the given information that we have, this. is the most respectful decision that we. could make. Secondly, regardless of the. perpetrator's identity, their crimes are. their own and are not representation of. any group of people. In fact, cases like. this can perpetuate negative queer. phobic generalizations. And if those are. the conclusions that one comes to after. listening to the entirety of this. episode, I would like to advise them to. visit the nearest emergency room for. possible brain damage. Thirdly, there is. massive discussion surrounding full. informed consent. As of now, none of the.

men in the videos have explicitly. consented to the release of their. footage. So, keep that in mind. So, with. that being said, let's get started. Nothing gets people more violently riled. up in my opinion. I have never seen a. group of people so quick to curse at. each other just like refusing to. compromise than a good old harmless. conversation about who has better. morals. It's the moral dilemma. It is. the quickest way to get people close to. you to scream at the top of their lungs. Because if you refuse to kill one.

person, then you're intentionally. knowingly killing five other people. So, you're actually not a good person. However, because I am willing to kill. one person, I'm a better person than. you. I'm morally superior than you. But. that's just the trolley problem. It's. like the most calm demure of all moral. dilemmas. There's a man named Jonathan. Hate, and he's got a lot of very. uncomfortable moral dilemmas that people. like to debate and end familial ties. with after long-standing fights about.

who's the better human. Take for. example, a family's pet is killed. outside in front of their house. They. had heard that roadkill meat is very. delicious. Wait, >> this is a moral dilemma. Okay. Family's. pet killed outside, ran over by a car. The family had heard from previous. conversations that roadkill meat is very. delicious. So, they bring in their. family pet. Nobody is watching. Nobody. knows the family is doing this. And they. cook the family pets meat and eat it for. dinner. Nobody saw them do this. Did the.

family do anything morally wrong? Some. will argue, well, it's gross. But that's. not the question. Is it morally wrong? And then they they'll say, well, I guess. the pet is already dead and it's their. family pet. So, if anyone's going to be. upset about the situation, it would be. them. And it's not like they're. encouraging other people by doing it. They're not posting it online. Nobody. saw them do it. I mean, it's gross, but. is it morally wrong? Jonathan then. further asks, then consider this. A man. goes to a supermarket once a week, buys. a chicken, a dead chicken, and before.

butchering the chicken, he has intimate. relations with the chicken, and then he. cooks it and eats it by himself. He does. not share the food with anyone. He does. not share the kitchen with anyone. He. has no young kids in the house. Nobody. sees him do this. He is a single man who. does this in his free time. The question. is, is it morally wrong? >> Who is this guy? >> He's like a He's an author. He's I. believe he's a professor as well. >> Got it. I got it. And the question is. not is it gross. The question is not. would you do this? Do you want to be. friends with chicken man? The question.

is simply is it morally wrong. >> This is side note also why you cannot. have philosophy majors over for dinner. because this would just end up in a. blood bath. Some would argue that this. is an efficient use of natural. resources. Others would say that there. is a lack of respect being shown to a. former living breathing creature which. would they would deem personally morally. wrong. That's what they're saying. Then. comes another moral dilemma. Okay, then. hold that thought. So you think the act. of doing this to a dead chicken because.

that chicken was once alive at some. point is wrong. Then I mean you could. also argue that you shouldn't be eating. chickens. And then the only people that. could have that argument would be. vegans. But if you're not a vegan, then. how can you have that argument? Then. comes another moral dilemma. So let's. say a woman is cleaning out her closet. She finds an old flag of whatever nation. you're part of or whatever nation you. have the most utmost respect for. Whether that be the American flag, the. South Korean flag, whatever. It's a it's. a national flag. >> Mhm. >> She finds it. She has no use for it.

Doesn't want it anymore. So, she cuts it. up into pieces and then uses it as a rag. to clean her toilet. Nobody looks. through her bathroom window. Nobody. finds out. She doesn't post it on social. media as some sort of message to the. youth. It's not a statement of any kind. It's just well, I was either going to a. throw it away and it's mine. I can do. what I want with my possessions. And I. mean, isn't it better to reuse things. than just throwing it away? Some will. say the chicken is a no-go, but the flag. is fine. But others argue that flags can.

hold very symbolic meanings for a large. population of people such as veterans, perhaps even more so than the symbolism. of a grocery store chicken that people. will be eating regardless. than others. argue just because we independently have. our own views about something. Does that. make others morally wrong when their. views are not the same even if they're. technically not hurting someone? Where. does the morality end when they start. hurting people or just the idea, the. concept? But who comes up with where. that concept is? >> Mhm. >> Side note, if you've ever had the desire.

to be the very annoying dinner party. guest, his book is really good. It's. called Righteous Mind. It's it. >> is it filled with these questions? >> Yeah. And it's filled with how his. students respond and it's just I mean. it's crazy. Yeah. There's like a. cockroach dilemma. There's some there's. incest dilemmas. >> Wa. >> Yeah. It even goes into how a lot of. people will first this is what he says. in the book of It's interesting because. when you ask people these questions. about these moral dilemmas, first people. will be disgusted by the moral dilemmas.

>> Mhm. >> And you'll see it. And one of the first. things that they do to justify their. disgust because they can't I mean maybe. someone on the street but when you're. talking to a lot of like philosophy. majors it's hard to debate that some of. these are morally wrong. >> because it's it's just difficult. They're not hurting anyone. Nobody's. finding out. It's not a statement. So. what they do is they feel the disgust. first the emotion. And he says one of. the first things that happens is they. will find victims to justify their. emotions. stating the family who eats.

the pet will get sick or they're. teaching their children dangerous. behaviors or the children are exposed to. diseases by eating the pet meat. He's. like, "Who said they had children?". >> That is so interesting. >> Others say a neighbor who is a veteran. is going to see the woman cutting up the. flag and cleaning her toilet. And if he. doesn't see that, he's going to see it. peeking out of her trash can filled with. doodoo, and he's going to be very sad. because he fought for that flag. Jonathan is like, "We never said anyone. was going to see it. In fact, I told you.

nobody knows that this is happening. This is happening privately. So, people. will create victims to justify how they. feel upset about a moral dilemma, which. I thought was very intriguing, >> but that's not the point here. There are. other interesting moral dilemmas, a bit. lighter. So, the cockroach one, cuz I. see that you were interested, so I'm. just going to tell you about it. Okay. A. professor has everyone drink a sip of. apple juice. >> Mhm. >> And all of them take a willing sip. They. saw it come out of the juice can and. they take a sip. Then he announces, "I.

have here in this container a sterilized. cockroach. We bought some cockroaches. from the lab supply company. The roaches. were raised in a clean environment and. they have been sterilized once again in. an autoclave which heats everything so. hot that no germs can survive. I'm going. to dip this cockroach into the juice. Now, will you take a sip? Why or why. not?" No. Well, one could argue that. probably dirtier things have actually. been in contact with most food products. sold within our country. We just don't. know about it. This actually happens to.

be completely sterile. But the problem. with moral dilemmas, and it's so. interesting because they also did one. that was so fascinating. They got a. group of students together. A ton of. them were atheists. So, they don't even. believe in any sort of god or religion. And they asked, "Will you sign this. piece of paper that I sign my soul over. to this professor after my death, but if. this this contract is null and void, this is not a legal contract." And they. have they present it in front of the. students including the atheist students. who don't believe that there's an.

afterlife who don't really believe that. your soul exists in any sort of form or. even conceptually after death and they. refuse to sign it. >> They refuse to sign it. >> Would you sign it? >> Probably. Yeah. >> Right. Okay. >> Yeah. No, I don't know. >> No, just be safe. >> Yeah. I mean, just to be safe. I feel. like I mean, you would want a lawyer to. look over it. No. At least maybe I would. probably be peer pressured into signing. it though. Yeah. Would you sign it?

>> No, >> you wouldn't. >> No. >> That's so interesting cuz you're not. particularly religious or superstitious. or. >> but I know it will bother you. So, it. would just be whatever. So, the problem. with some moral dilemmas is that once. you find an answer to the first moral. dilemma, it leads to another moral. dilemma and then another one until. you're basically in this black hole of. moral dilemmas. And that is today's case. of Uncle Red. This case has led to at.

least 15 different conversations and. debates about the morality of not just. the case itself, but also the internet's. reaction to the case. and it feels like. a black hole that we're about to get. stuck in. So, at first glance, there is. this list. The list looks like the top. 10 list of men from the city of Nanjing. It's just a collage of 10 guys, a. closeup of their faces, and it's ranked. 1 through 10. If you see the collage, it's confusing because uh it has a.

little phrase accompanying each blurry. photo of a man. Number one says, "Might. as well guy. Two, Four Seasons guy. Three, Uncle Red Note Dreamboat. Four, Half Bottle of Oil Guy. Five, Tik Tok. influencer, Sleep Early Guy. Six, Muscleman. Seven, Watermelon Guy. Number. eight, The Milk Guy. Number nine, Black. Leather Jacket Guy. Number 10,

Sister-in-law Guy. Michelle's fiance, and Michelle is a pseudonym, is Black. Leather Jacket Guy. Number nine on the. top 10 list, which is kind of hard to. forget for Michelle because every single. day, every second of every moment, everyone in her orbit, in her social. sphere, just keeps sending her links to. the collage of photos. Everyone calls. your fianceé the leather jacket guy. Well, I mean, her former fiance. It gets. to be so much that she actually posts. online. I took the video and I.

questioned my fiance and he went silent. I showed him the collage and currently. we have notified both sides of our. family. I went to the hospital to get. checked for anything today and I'm still. waiting for the results. We were. together for almost 3 years. I really. believed we'd make it all the way to the. altar. Both families had met. They'd. gotten along and then the Uncle Red. story broke and I couldn't even trust my. own eyes. All the lies he told me. suddenly felt hollow. I just I. confronted him and you just shrugged and. said, "Let's part on good terms. I'm.

sorry." as if those words could erase. everything. At that moment, every bit of. light I had carried for 3 years in my. life shattered. Uncle Red. I was left I. was left wondering what exactly was I to. my fianceé. Really, Uncle Red? She posts. a screenshot of a video of her fianceé. Well, now ex fiance sitting in a black. leather jacket sitting on the edge of. someone else's bed. And that's where the. top nine, like the number nine photo was.

pulled from. And same with the other. nine guys. They're all sitting on the. same bed or they're all standing in the. same room. Michelle apparently went. through leather jacket guy's phone and. he even had the chance to come clean. One of his friends messaged him, "Do you. want me to tell your fiance or are you. going to?" He responded, "Huh? I don't. think that's necessary. What do you mean. you're engaged and still doing this? You. don't have shame? Netzens are commenting. under Michelle's post. I'm so sorry, but.

your fiance was pretty good-looking, too. And I could tell this happened. twice, didn't it? Another one reads, "All I can say is he was pretty. handsome, so this makes it even more. confusing." Others say, "It's actually. more confusing that he's only ranked. number nine on the top 10 list. I'm so. lost." Another one in the top 10 list is. a popular influencer on Ding, which is. China's Tik Tok. His videos have gone. viral in Asia at least a few times. solely for the reason that he's. attractive. One of his videos there's.

just comments that now read, "You. deserve better than Uncle Red. Why. didn't you meet me before you met Uncle. Red?". >> That's crazy. >> So, who the hell is Uncle Red? A. middle-aged man allegedly catfishing. straight men into coming to his house to. have intimate relations. Uncle Red poses. as a woman online and he will invite. these straight men over and all of their. intimate reactions are secretly. recorded. It has been reported by many.

Chinese mainstream media news outlets. and then later debunked by police, but. nobody believes it that about 1,691. men fell victim to this illegal. recording scam. Uncle Red appears to. have a very strict routine prior to live. streaming. It's a ritual, if you will. The first is finding the palest color of. foundation readily available for human. use, slathering it all over his face, and pairing that uniquely with the. reddest of red lipsticks, always. remembering to overline his lips. It's a.

rather loweffort, minimal routine that. does create kind of a striking. appearance. Now, side note, the filters. on Doying are good enough that not much. more is that necessary. The next step of. his process includes putting on a dress. shirt, a silky blouse usually, and then. a long flowy maxi skirt. He puts on a. short bob, a wig. It's a wig. It goes. down a little past his shoulders. He's. got bangs covering his eyebrows, and. it's a unique combination of design.

choices that are confusing, mainly. because Uncle Red decides the day that. he joins Doying, he's actually going to. go into making thirst traps. Really? >> Yeah, that's I mean the attire is. interesting. He never wears anything. provocative ever and it doesn't work. At. least not in the traditional sense. Uncle Red is for 3 years on Doying. The. mass audience has no clue who this. person is. Nobody knows Uncle Red until.

he gets arrested. But that's not the. endgame. It appears that Uncle Red joins. Doying for the purpose of getting DMs. from men, which I say with respect for. half the world's population. Lots of. respect, lots of love. It's typically. something that you can achieve even if. you are aggressively doing nothing. Naturally, Uncle Red starts getting lots. of DMs from men. >> But like, what kind of thirst trap is he. posting at that point? You're going to. get into that? >> Yeah. So the thirst traps are not thirst. traps in the way that you would.

typically imagine. So when you think. thirst traps, you're thinking about. >> Yeah. >> costumes and dancing. Yeah. And like. lots of. >> skin. A lot of guys are attracted to. Uncle Red's softness. >> It's alleged that he uses a voice change. filter and he knows how to talk to guys. Sometimes he would take calls from his. viewers. And one male viewer, seemingly. familiar with Uncle Red already, is. asking, "You still haven't slept yet?". Uncle Red responds, "I just ate lunch.

How can I fall asleep?" Oh, why aren't. you sleeping yet? Uh, I don't know. I. just haven't slept yet. Then can I ask. you a question? Go ahead. What kind of. question is it? It's about a man. Sure, go ahead. My husband's private part is a. little longer than my middle finger. Is. that normal? That's the extent of his thirst traps. >> Got it. >> It's That's the conversation that wins a. lot of guys over for Uncle Red. Side.

note, Uncle Red does not appear to be. married. At least not anymore. He was. once married to a woman, but they. divorced. He is not since remarried, nor. does he have a husband. But a lot of. people like the idea that this is a. woman who is not intimately fulfilled by. her husband. And a lot of men want to. say, "Let me show you what men do.". >> That's the thirst trap. >> I I I see. >> Yes. Now, Uncle Red also does not have a.

good wig. Because at one point during a. live stream, it does slip off his head, revealing that not only does his. foundation only go up to where the bangs. cut off. >> Wait, I've seen that photo. It's only. the face. That's why, right? >> I mean, but it's like half the forehead. >> Yeah. and he just has like a very short. buzzcut hairstyle which looks perfectly. fine. But even so, Uncle Red's DMs start. filling up. And it's rumored that Uncle. Red, at least 1691 men came to visit. Uncle Red at his personal residence for. intimate relations. So, why is this a.

Rotten Mango episode? One of the first. titles to come out of this incident. Well, first of all, let me tell you why. it is a Rotten Mango episode. because. I've gotten hundreds of separate emails, hundreds of emails while I was so deep. in the Karen Reed case and everyone is. telling me about Uncle Red. And so I. looked into it and I thought, okay, maybe it's not going to be the most. complicated. mind case because. >> my mind was wiped. And then the minute. that I got into it, it's just the moral.

dilemma conundrum. It made my brain spin. because of how many different debates. were taking place online. Also, just. like how viral this is in on Tik Tok and. then in all in all of Asia. Like every. single c country in Asia was. >> it's crazy. Like everyone's talking. about this. >> It's suspected that Uncle Red's bang. wig, pale skin, red lipstick, maxi skirt. is going to be the number one Halloween. look in most Asian countries this year.

>> That's crazy. >> Yeah. So, one of the first titles to. come out of this incident, and again, this is not me agreeing with the wording. of this title, but like I said, it's. important how the news is presented in. this case, it translated reads, "Nanjing, 60-year-old man with a wig and. a long skirt successfully attracts over. 1,600 straight men." So, it's a very. strange title. And accompanying it is a. collage of a bunch of guys faces. And. they don't look like mug shots.

considering half of them are looking. down to the side all different. directions. Some of them are shirtless. Others look like they're in brief. flashes of pain. Others look like. they're in brief flashes of pleasure, but you can't really tell the. difference. And it's a very weird visual. to see so many random guys faces in a. collage. I mean, the background is so. consistent that you have to consider. that the idea that the pictures were all. taken in the same place is a valid. theory, and they are. All of these. pictures were taken at Uncle Red's.

personal residence, where, like I said, almost 2,000 men have reportedly come to. visit Uncle Red. That number will later. be debated, but we will get to that. For. 3 years, nearly every single day, Uncle. Red has had visitors. live stream fan. after liveream fan knocking on his door. And it's kind of difficult to pinpoint. who watches Uncle Red's live streams. I. feel like if you sat at the corner of. his apartment building and made bets. with the elderly neighbor who sits. outside on the plastic chair every day, you would lose money because sometimes.

it's a younger college kid that shows up. hoodie and a backpack. Other days it's a. slightly older fitness obsessed looking. muscle dude in a muscle shirt. Other. days it looks kind of like a nerdy. English tutor. Other days it looks like. a middle-aged balding man. The only. reason that you would really know that. they're here to see Uncle Red is that. they do not come empty-handed. The speculation online is that Uncle. Red's house becomes a local legend. through word of mouth. Uncle Red does.

social media, gets a few guys in the. messages, but these guys then turn and. tell all their friends, "You need to. visit Uncle Red's house." It's basically. a steal. you know what you get and what. you give. It's not even comparable. It's. basically free. All you have to do is. bring a small gift, a household. necessity, a bottle of peanut oil from. the grocery store that's $3, a single. watermelon, which depending on the. season in naning is $2 to $5, or a. packet of milk that you can get on sale,

whatever. Just bring bring a bag of. spinach if you must, which someone does. Just bring something to show gratitude. for the host. And most likely what you. get in return is what Nisonens refer to. as quote full service. Undoubtedly, a. lot of these guys find this to be a. practically free exchange. I mean, a lot. of the stuff you can find in your own. freezer. They put in zero emotional. effort, no dates, no paying for dinners, no relationships, no strings attached, and they don't have to pay for the. services because Uncle Red is willing to. do it in exchange for a half filled Dani.

water bottle of peanut oil. In fact, a. lot of streamers will barely give their. top donors the time of day unless. they're dropping thousands of dollars on. them, let alone meet up with them in. person. But Uncle Red's fan service, if. you will, is so good that Uncle Red will. take anyone in. The these are how nizens. are saying. They think that this this. whole scam started, this whole crime. started. Uncle Red won't even make fun. of you for buying a $3 bottle of oil and. taking half of it and giving Uncle Red.

only half the bottle of oil. Instead, Uncle Red will guide the men to the tiny. thin mattress in the corner and spend. about 30 minutes with them. Now, up. until this point, all of this is. consensual. Like, these men are coming. to Uncle Red's house. They're not being. forced to stay there. They're not being. forced to partake in any intimate. relations or activities. So, all of. this, like no part of this so far, is a. crime. >> Mhm. Some of these men may have realized. that the market price and what Uncle Red. are offering is kind of a steal. It's. It's a good bargain. Uncle Red's.

apartment is difficult to find, but even. then, still a bargain. It's a basement. unit, and it's dimly lit. Kind of has a. bunkerish feel to it, which is what. Nisonens say. I will say it's very. sparsely furnished. Just a collapsible. table, mini fridge, a bed, and a. built-in closet with a sink next to it, and a bathroom off to the side. It's not. exactly homey, but some of the guys have. to turn on their phone flashlights to. even find the door to Uncle Red's unit. And we know this because a lot of them. are captured on the video walking in.

with their phone flashlight on. But it's. seemingly worth it cuz right when they. walk in, Uncle Red will place pink. slippers in front of them. Sometimes. Uncle Red will even wash fruit, cut the. fruit, make small talk, make the guys. feel comfortable, and then they get into. the festivities for free. Well, for the. price of a watermelon. But there is a. saying that a lot of people use in. marketing, which is if it's free, that.

means you are likely the product. Because in the middle of Uncle Red's. apartment is a tiny little hole. And. hiding inside that tiny little hole is a. hidden camera. And when these men leave, Uncle Red pulls out the SD card, starts. importing the footage to go through. Even in illegal businesses, there seems. to be some sort of quality control. because Uncle Red will sort through the. footage, cutting out the quote boring. parts and the not exciting parts. Trim. down the hidden camera footage to just. the highlights, which includes the men. walking in with a grocery store gift in.

their hand, awkwardly saying hello, Uncle Red saying hello, hugging them, and then the opening line for almost. every single thousand plus guest is. along the lines of, "Did you wash. yourself first? Go clean yourself." They. will then be escorted to the bathroom. like a stray dog where you hear the. water turn on. They rinse themselves, walk out, and there are pink slippers. awaiting them. From there, the camera. captures them unzipping, receiving, and then.

none of their faces are blurred. None of. their identities are hidden. And Uncle. Red is selling these videos, this. massive collection of videos in Telegram. group chats. News breaks of Uncle Red's. arrest and suddenly all of Nanjing in. China are kind of going into a meltdown. The only reason I even first heard about. this case, I mean, I I did start getting. a hundreds of emails, but the very first. time I heard about this case, my. husband's sister came over and she was. trying to explain the story and it. looked like it was fundamentally.

changing the wiring of her brain. Like. she was losing her mind at not only the. case itself, but also the internet's. reaction to the case. Like it was just. everywhere. She said, "You can't even go. onto any Chinese social media platform. without this being the main. conversation. Like, if you don't know. Uncle Red, you don't know half the jokes. people are making. You don't know what. half the people are talking about. It's. just it's you could post a video of your. dog and in the comments there will be. references to Uncle Red or jokes about. Uncle Red somehow fitted in there. It's.

like a cultural phenomenon.". >> Mhm. >> The more she knows about this case, the. more questions. Like, for one, how did. Uncle Red even get arrested? July of 2025, a man walks into the. police station in Nanjing, China to. report very simply that his private. moments were secretly recorded and. they're circulating online. He knows. where the videos were taken. He knows. who took the video and he's going to. lead the police straight to her. That's. about all he says to the police. Police. head to the basement unit of Uncle Red. They knock on the door and since Uncle.

Red was not expecting any company, Uncle. Red does not have his live stream fit on. and they realize, okay, this is a little. confusing because the man who reported. it to me said that this was a woman in a. bunker type style basement unit who took. these videos, but now I'm looking at a. middle-aged man. Maybe it's his wife, but it's not. It's him. They promptly. arrest him and they realize that Uncle. Red has likely made over $35,000. selling these videos in these group. chats, which could explain why Uncle Red.

perhaps did not have a deep yearning to. receive expensive gifts from the men. that came over. The whole Okay, this is. where I again get a little bit confused. by the internet reaction because I will. say the selling of the videos online is. reminiscent to other cases that we've. covered such as Enthram. I don't know if. it compares in severity and I don't. think it would be appropriate to compare. the severity of certain cases. However, the business idea is similar in the. sense Uncle Red will join a Telegram. group chat or start one. He will charge.

$20 for a video in the group chat. After. spending $20, if you want to see other. videos or more videos, instead of. receiving further payment, Uncle Red. will ask that you invite three people. into the group chat that will be willing. to spend $20. So, it seems like a very. wellthoughtout. business plan. It's a referral program. for a new customer acquisition, which. what can only be described as Uncle. Red's blooming illegal video criminal. enterprise. July 5th, 2025, authorities. in Nuning released a brief statement.

that they have put an end to said. illegal video sharing by Uncle Red. Within hours, news of this arrest start. trending, which would make sense if. Uncle Red was a famous live streamer. that had just gotten arrested. But. that's not the case because within. hours, Uncle Red's arrest is at the top. of the trending list. 89 separate media. outlets have started reporting on the. case. And in just 3 hours, 350 million. people have clicked on any article. regarding Uncle Red. Someone that the. entire country had no clue even existed.

2 seconds ago. >> 300 million clicks. >> 350 million clicks in 3 hours. >> Wa. Interestingly enough, this is where. things get weird and controversial. because people have very wild reactions. to the whole case. First, people are. doing the math. 1691, that's about 2,000. men gone to Uncle Red's house in 3. years. That's about 1 and a half men per. day with speculative reports estimating. that there's about 5 tab of footage out. there, which equates to about 3,000.

hours of footage. That's a lot of. activity. And that's not him even I. mean, he's got to lure these men. somehow. So, he's talking to people. online. Let's say it takes about an hour. to at least talk to someone to the point. where they can come over to your house. and do those intimate relations. I mean, that's this is like a full-time. full-time job. Most of the videos are. also the same, which depects Uncle Red. performing oral activities on the guest. And then usually, unceremoniously, Uncle. Red will turn around without taking off. any clothing, just lifting lifting up. the back of his maxi skirt and then just.

like backing up into the man in. question. Now, this is the part where I. report to you all of the internet. reactions regarding Uncle Red. And. again, am I saying that these are. appropriate reactions to a situation. like this? No, that's not at all what. I'm saying. I am just here to tell you. what people have been saying online, what the general consensus has been, the. types of memes that have come out of. this. Just so you understand the full. totality of this case, the initial. reaction across China seemed to be a. mixture of shock, rage, and confusion.

But with a lot of women, particularly on. Doying on Tik Tok that are just. squinting at the collage of men's faces, praying that they don't see a boyfriend, fiance, husband, dad, whoever. Some even. go online to report, "Hey, so I did find. my dad in one of the thumbnails, and I. don't know if I'm supposed to tell my. mom. I need advice." Others say, "Okay, well, at least yours is kind of a more. simple situation where you should.

probably tell your mom." For me, it's. different because I found my colleague. A lot of people report finding their. colleague or brother or someone that's. like distant enough that you definitely. don't want to confront them with it. You. have nobody else to talk to about it. and now you're just stuck with this. information. One comment reads, "I was. here for the drama, but then I found my. brother-in-law in one of those pictures, and we thought he was working, but turns. out he was at Uncle Red's house, and he. showed up with a carton of milk. So, that's very awkward." On Chinese dating. apps right now, and again, is this.

appropriate? That's not up for me to. decide. I'm just letting you know. The. biggest red flag that a lot of Chinese. women state is that if a man writes that. they are from Nanjing, even though it's. a massive city with nine million people, they think it's inappropriate. One nizen. shared her dating profile which reads, "Requirements for boyfriend. One, not. from Nanjing. Two, must not have been. to, stopped by, or traveled through. Nanjing in the recent years. The. comments under her post are agreeing. with her, writing, yeah, I'm not going. to date Nanjing men in the foreseeable. future. I'm also going to abstain from.

those who have even stopped by Nanjing. for work." Other netizens express just. sudden disinterest in men completely. writing, "I've just been uninterested in. men these days. When I look at them, I. just feel like all of them have slept. with Uncle Red." I don't know what. exactly that means. I don't know if it's. the fact that 1,691, you get it. But. another one writes, "Does anyone. understand my pain? When I walk around. Nanjing, cuz I'm from Nanjing, I just. feel like every guy I see, I just. picture them with Uncle Red instantly. I.

just look at them with the consensus. being on many Chinese platforms that the. biggest disc that you can throw at. someone is telling them that their. husband or father is from Nanjing. There have been lots of memes that have. occurred from this case in this. situation. I mean, you know, when you. travel to a new city, there is a trip. advisor must eat list on there. Well, on. there the number one must eat list is a. 38-year-old man, which side note, a lot. of initial reports stated that Uncle Red. was 60 years old. He's not 60. He's 38.

years old. But it is must eat. 38-year-old man named Uncle Red. And. then the Red Gate banquet list goes. viral. People have given nicknames and. created these AI videos. A lot of people. have dubbed Uncle Red. And again, this. is for if you look up this case, you're. going to see a lot of these references. online. And I'm not saying that these. are appropriate, but a lot of people. have dubbed Uncle Red Nanjing Zero. online, which I was thinking, okay, there has been discourse that we're. going to cover in a second about perhaps.

there being not a enough usage of. protection and things that can deter you. from getting an STD. So maybe they're. calling him Nanjing Zero because they're. trying to make some sort of joke or some. sort of meme about him being patient. zero and he's like passing on things to. other people because they're just all. doing it willy-nilly like all 2,000 of. them. But I uh came to the very. interesting conclusion that zero in. China refers to bottoms.

>> Yes. >> And one refers to tops. And Tiffany and. I, my sister-in-law and I had a very. uncomfortable conversation where she was. like, "Okay, so let me explain.". >> What's funny is Tiffany didn't know what. top and bottom means. She actually only. knew what one and zero means. >> So it's like you have to double. translate what top and bottom means to. her. And then she's like, "Oh yeah, that's one and that's zero.". >> And then I had to double check that this. was not like an offensive term in China. And then she was like, "No," she was.

showing me these doing videos of guys. who are like, "Oh, I'm a one and it's. like thirst traps." So I was like, "Okay, it seems like a normal thing that. they talk about." But that has become. another meme. And there has been, aside. from the chaos and discrimination, it's. not even just stopping at men from. Nanjing, but also fitness men. So, remember the 1 through 10 ranking that. there was? Those are the top 10 men that. nizens find the most interesting and or. appealing from Uncle Red's guest list,

if you will. And they have been ranked. I'm not even going to go on to what it's. like to rank victims of these intimate. videos being leaked, but it's been done. and these have been circulating and. everybody has been referencing them. Number three on the top 10 list for. Uncle Red is actually a pretty famous. fitness influencer on the app Red Note. Shiao Shu. >> Xiao Shuh. >> And it's relatively easy for netzens to. connect the dots because even when he. went to go see Uncle Red, he's wearing.

this black under arour shirt with a big. white bull on the front and a pair of. Adidas Ultra Boost that he always wears. in his fitness videos. And he has a very. distinctive look. And after these videos. leaked online, he changed one of his. social media bios to just read, "I've. already filed a police report. My life. is a mess and I'm planning to leave. Nanjing for another city. Stop sharing. the leaked footage. Then ranked number. two out of the 10 is someone netizens. have dubbed the four seasons man. Because a lot of netizens after this. news broke out, they actually it's like.

the Barbara Stryzen effect. It's what. happens in a lot of crimes like this is. people will go out and seek the footage. afterwards. It draws more attention to. said footage and people have been. piecing together who is who and what is. what. And I will say some netizens do. say we have to do this because a lot of. these people are not going to come. forward. A lot of them are married. A. lot of them have children. A lot of them. have other partners that may not know. that they're visiting Uncle Red and may. want to get tested or may not know that. they're having other intimate relations.

So that's kind of been one conversation. of why they're scouring through the. videos. Others say it's just for fun, which is a very morally debatable. dilemma that we can go down. But there. is one guide called the four seasons. man. And it is because he has been seen. in four different videos and it's in. each of the seasons, spring, summer, fall, and winter. And you can see in his. attire in one he is wearing full-on. winter gear, thermal puffer jacket. Summer he's wearing lighter clothes. And. that man is visiting Uncle Red all four.

seasons. than in first place. So, a lot. of the one through 10, they're just. called they're just they made the top 10. either because they're attractive like. the leather jacket guy that cheated on. his fiance or because of the unique. gifts that they brought, i.e. watermelon. man. But the number one place is I'm. already here might as well. And this has. actually turned into a very famous. phrase in lots of countries in Asia. That is what this man has been dubbed. online. Netzens came up with this name. because reportedly in the leaked video,

it appears that when he gets to Uncle. Red's house, he realizes that Uncle Red. is probably an uncle. So, Uncle Red goes. by Sister Red online. And so, he gets. there and he's like, "Okay, I don't. think this is Sister Red." So, he starts. confronting Uncle Red, asking, "Are you. a man or a woman? Are you a man or a. woman?" And this is going to be another. moral dilemma that we're going to go. down. And lots of people have been. having debates about it, but right now, pause on that. He's asking, "Are you a. man or a woman?" Uncle Red lies and. says, "I'm a woman. I'm a woman." He.

does not believe him. He's like, "I. don't believe you." So then finally, Uncle Red tells him, "Well, I'm going to. call the police if you keep harassing me. and asking me these questions." And he. has this moment reportedly in the video. where he thinks about it. He pers, you know what? I'm already here. I might. as well. And the next frame of him that. people netizens have clipped from that. video is of him in likely a moment of. pleasure. So it's now become a meme.

Again, wildly inappropriate. Nevertheless, I'm just reporting on. what's happened. A meme shows a. screenshot of the video where you can. see him pondering, looking very pensive. And then right after it, right under it, it shows him looking up at the ceilings. with his his hands resting on his hips. and he looks like he is enjoying the. moment. And it says, "I'm already here. Something doesn't feel right but might. as well. >> Yeah. In Chinese like Lido Laya. It's. like really really. >> viral. Viral viral viral. >> These have gone very viral and pretty.

quickly everyone found out who the might. as well guy even is. He works as a. teacher from one of the elite Shanghai. kindergartens. And if you're wondering a. lot of people actually travel to Nanjing. to meet up with Uncle Red. >> Oh. >> yes. So the kindergarten that he works. at to go there you have to send your. child there. You have to pay $22,000 a. year for kindergarten to learn how to. count to, I don't know, 26. It costs. $22,000 a year. But I digress. The most. appalling revelation, however, is that.

he has a wife and children. So, he. quickly deactivates his accounts. Everyone thought that he was just going. to disappear off the internet, focus on. his personal life. But now, not long. after, a new Doying account pops up with. who only Netzens can describe as being. the doppelganger of this man posting. workout videos in the similar fashion of. the Might as well guy before he. deactivated his account. So, comments. start questioning him, hey, did you, you. know, just delete your old account and. start a new one with a fake name? He has.

since vehemently denied it, stating that. you must have the wrong guy, which the. comments read, "Dude, it's totally you. Same shoes, same tank top, same. everything. Way too recognizable. You. got the same height, same build, same. everything. He too has a bit of a buff. build and typically like to post his. workout selfies and shirtless photos on. social media before everything blew up, which has now cemented this joke in a. lot of netizens minds that if you post. shirtless workout selfies, then you. remind everyone of Uncle Red's type,

which are young buff dudes. So now under. random fitness influencers videos, there. are comments that read, "Hold on, hold. on. Let me check my dictionary first.". And the new term dictionary means the. collage of men from Nanjing, >> a thousand men pictures. >> Another one reads, "Please put your. shirt back on. We're not in the mood. these days." Another one reads, "Show. this to Uncle Red. You're his type.". Another one says, "What number are you. for Uncle Red?" Another says, "Brother, please stop showing off. Everyone is. trying to find out which one you look.

like." Another reads, "Either put your. shirt on first. Currently, we feel. nothing. The moment we see someone. flexing muscles, all we can think about. is whether or not you have kissed Uncle. Red. Or another one that simply states, "Let's not talk about whether or not you. are popular. First, you need to tell us. if you've been to Nanjing." To which. some netizens find the whole social. discourse very confusing, and they. comment, imagine being a fitness guru. right now. They write, quote, "On night, the thirst trap men watch their skies. fall down." It's said that if you post. fitness content and you're from Nanjing,

you're almost obligated to add in your. bio, have never seen Red Uncle. So, example, there is an online user, a. fitness guru from Nanjing called. Chestnut Loves Spinach. That was his. username. Now, it's Chestnut Loves. Spinach () I swear I've never seen Uncle. Red and parenthesis." So, it's become a. huge thing and people are still making. memes out of it. So, there's this one. incident including a foreigner and that. incident has since gone viral because. when Uncle Red sees his private parts,

Uncle Red, it's just interesting like. the amount of discourse that has. occurred from this case is vast and it's. vastly different depending on where you. look. So, for these people, they're. saying this is almost like a social. experiment and we should treat it as. such. And a lot of netizens have. psychoanalyzed each video and each. reaction to Uncle Red's video. So, for. example, when this foreigner walks in, people say, "Uncle Red has finally. solved the debate of if size matters.". Because Uncle Red puts both of his hands.

out gasping and says, "Wo, it's huge.". And after they were done, Uncle Red paid. him $14 for the experience. And the. netzens state that even the foreigner. looks confused and doesn't really appear. to know what to do with the cash with. the $14. And then just to add more. complexity to things, there are now AI. videos that depict industry leaders. visiting Uncle Red, including Jensen. Hong of Nvidia. I think it has to do. with the fact that Jensen Hong, tech.

founder, has an obsession with black. leather jackets, >> which happened to be from Tom Ford and. probably cost lots of money, but that's. like his Achilles heel. and it made him. one of the more viral AI Uncle Red. parodies in China where he's coming to. Uncle Red and giving him like an Nvidia. chip. Trump is also one of the AI. videos. So, people have created Lego. sets for Uncle Red's place which shows. Uncle Red and Men having intimate. relations and a line of people waiting. outside waiting to get in. Some of them.

are holding watermelons, bottles of oil. Some netizens comment it's not the most. realistic, stating that there's too much. oil because a lot of these guys would. only bring half the container of oil. Yeah. Others point to the pink slippers. and they've made memes of this pink. slippers with zoomed-in pictures of it. saying, "No one feels sorry for the. slipper. It has been worn by over a. thousand people." Others have gone to. recreate Uncle Red's quote iconic look. by dawning a wig with bangs, throwing on. a mask, silky blouse, and a long skirt.

And I will say, you know what this. discourse is reminiscent of? Again, I'm. not comparing severity. I'm just. comparing crime happens discourse that. is so big and almost all on the same. level of dark humor. It reminds me of. all the baby oil jokes. >> where it's like the discourse is almost. bigger than the case itself. And it's. generally on the he hehaha side and not. the I'm going to take this seriously. side. >> So that's kind of what it's reminiscent. of. So, you have people recreating Uncle.

Red's iconic look. That's what they call. it, by throwing on a mask, silky blouse, long skirt. There are fashion tutorials. on how to achieve Uncle Red's makeup. Some clubs have even started adopting. the Uncle Red memes with giant screens. inside the club that read, "Anyone who. is late with their round, dodges their. shot, or doesn't focus on drinking is. going to be sent straight to Uncle Red's. house." That's what it says. There's. just been a lot of reports and discourse. and online conversations about the fact. that Uncle Red was able to get so many.

men to come visit them. And in one. video, according to reports, a foreigner. is using an app. So, foreigners will. come. Uncle Red will use a translation. app to even talk to them. There is. nothing barring any guests from coming. in and having intimate relations with. Uncle Red. Uncle Red seems to be open to. anybody. And they will be using this app. to translate the conversation. And at. one point, the foreigner pushes the. phone towards Uncle Red, who is talking. into the phone near the foreigner's. face. And nizens believe that Uncle Red.

has very bad breath because the. foreigner keeps looking away, sneaking. in breaths of fresh air. And at one. point, he just straight up covers his. nose with his hand. But the main comment. reads, "The way he's gagging and. covering his mouth when Uncle Red is. talking." to which the next comment. reads, "But he still didn't leave." And. that is where the nickname that Uncle. Red is an absolute mansllayer comes. about. And a lot of memes have spurred. from the fact that Netzens joke Uncle.

Red is eating better than them. They. state that a lot of the men showing up. to Uncle Red's apartment are young, good-looking, well-built guys that have. a lot of people, a lot of people would. have dated them. So, why did they find. Uncle Red instead of them? That's a huge. conversation being thrown out. A new. meme is where Uncle Red is using his. tongue to try and pick out food that is. stuck in between his teeth. And the. words across the meme are, "I'm eating. better than you, sister." people start. creating these AI videos of Uncle Red. giving lectures, dating advice to women.

on how to capture quote goodquality men. with the AI video showing someone who. kind of appears to be Uncle Red in the. same apartment, saying things such as, "Today I'm going to teach all my sisters. how to get highquality household goods. [Music]. [Music].

Third, you have to be proactive and make. the first move. But the ter the truth of. the matter is, no matter how. good-looking a guy is, when he is. hungry, he will still eat trash. Unless. he's very rich, then he will only eat. Michelin star food. Sisters, follow. Uncle Red to learn more. It's never too. late to learn. Another Uncle Red lesson. reads, "Uncle Red teaches that. attracting a man doesn't require thirst. traps. A face mask, long skirt, long. sleeves, and bangs are sufficient." Some.

netizens have called this a Black Mirror. episode in real life. Others have called. it a real life study. Studying what? We're not entirely sure yet, but a study. of something. If you go through Chinese. social media, there are pages of threads. and threads of online netizens breaking. down different types of discourse that. is spurring because of the Uncle Red. situation. One of them is breaking down. the types of gifts that were brought to. Uncle Red's house by these men and Uncle. Red's reaction to these gifts. Some. think that Uncle Red's always positive, always thankful reaction is the most.

intriguing part of this. Others think. that the gifts that these men choose. willingly is more insight on the psyche. of humankind. They break it down. Some. men have come empty-handed. It's been. reported that Uncle Red never. specifically demands anything to be. brought to him, but these these men. bring stuff out of courtesy, and it's. kind of awkward to go empty-handed. However, some men do. The others, all of. these gifts are just like random. household necessities that range from. food products like a single watermelon,

packets of milk. I mean, you would think. that some of these netizens analyzing. the gifts are doing dissertations, myself included, I guess, dissertations. on this topic because they've broken. down the types of milk that were gifted. to Uncle Red. Milk is one of the more. popular gifts. And almost every single. time, all these men picked out the. cheapest milk, the cheapest brand of. milk, the cheapest type of milk, the. cheapest kind of milk, the cheapest. cheapest cheapest milk. The There's one. brand in China that is known for having. milk that is cheaper than a bottle of. water. A bottle of milk is cheaper than.

a bottle of water. That's the brand that. almost all of them went with. >> Kind of alarming. >> Yeah, the milk was still considered a. top tier gift on the gift analysis. hierarchy with tissue paper being on the. lower end. Almost all the men that. brought tissue paper would bring like a. small packet of tissue paper, like a. threepack little Kleenex packet, but. they would buy the cheapest one ply. tissue paper that if you were to try and. wipe water off your hand, it would stick. to your hand and disintegrate into white. fluff all over your hand. How do nizens.

know this? A mixture of personal. experience. And according to some. netizens who have personally viewed the. illegal footage, they state that after. one man gifted the one ply tissue paper, another man came over and used it to. wipe their private parts, but the tissue. paper disintegrated, leaving tens of. little pieces of tissue paper on their. private parts. And it is reported that. this man spent quite a bit of time. dusting it off of himself while Uncle. Red just stood there watching and. waiting. Another man brought a bag of. fruit for Uncle Red, but apparently on. the way on the journey on the trek to.

finding Uncle Red's place, he got so. hungry that he ate half of the fruit. >> Like, what do you mean ate half? Like. half a watermelon type of half or just. like a bag of apple? He ate half a bag. Okay. >> But the top tier gift, the most. expensive gift being cooking oil. One. man was so stingy that he bought a. bottle of cooking oil and he decided. that he wasn't going to give Uncle Red. all of the cooking oil. So, he got a. Dani water bottle, filled that up with. cooking oil, and brought the Dani water. bottle of cooking oil to Uncle Red's. house. >> Or it could just be leftover oil that he. has at home.

>> Yeah. Another man brought one of the. more valuable gifts. Some netizens have. argued it's almost heartfelt, which is. um a fish. A fish that the man caught. himself uncooked, still attached to the. fishing wire, just like a live fish from. the river. And Uncle Red's response in. his soft voice was an encouraging, "Wow, you were able to catch such a big fish.". Some joke that by this rate, after three. years, Uncle Red should be able to open. up his own grocery store. And people. have created memes of photoshopped. images of Uncle Red in his own grocery.

store. It is to the point where people. say, "If you're a nuning local, it's. best not to walk around with a single. lone watermelon, a carton of milk, or a. bottle of oil." And that has also led to. a lot of deep analysis on the men. There. have been like okay so the moral dilemma. it's tfold. So first of all the moral. dilemma is is this an appropriate. reaction that the internet and society. can have to a situation like this where. everything is okay up until red. illegally films these without consent.

and then releases them online. Clearly. that's a very bad crime. These men are. ultimately victims. But is it okay to. have this type of reaction? That's the. first moral dilemma. The second moral. dilemma comes in the fight of a lot of. guys and women are fighting in the. comment section. So a lot of girls um. they are making jokes about this case. and they're saying you know what because. I feel like there are lots of crimes. against women where men make jokes about. it. I mean take the Diddy baby oil. situation for example. Lots of jokes are.

being made and so why do we have to. suddenly be so sensitive when nobody is. sensitive towards crimes against women? And so it's been like this back and. forth almost like a mini gender war at. times. It's been really intense. And. then there's also been conversations of. why did all these men even go to Uncle. Red's house? A lot of men have decided. to take this as a teaching moment for. women and they are telling women it's. because Uncle Red gives off energy where.

he will support men. And it's because. all of these feminist gold diggers are. just looking for Lamborghinis and not. cooking oil. It's why women can't get. any of these young straight men and. Uncle Red is getting all of them. And. that's become a whole conversation. itself. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I saw one. It was like. a guy the girlfriend was like, "I want a. new iPhone." And then he flashed back to. Uncle Red.

>> Yeah. >> Like only wanting a Apple and. >> Yeah. So, one nizen breaks it down of. Uncle Red's allure and he says, "Uncle. Red's videos actually sneak in a whole. crash course on how to treat men. The. second a guy walks in through the door, Uncle Red greets him like an old friend, not with a stuck up like, "What do you. want? Why are you here?" face, which. like I don't know anyone who does that, but okay. A second. Yeah, the apartment. is decent at best, but it feels cozy, like a home. Three, he even washes. fruit, hands it over. Even for a casual.

fleeing, he gets treated like an. honorable guest at Uncle Red's. Four, he. takes charge to initiate physical. conduct instead of just laying there. like a dead starfish. He's fully. engaged. Five, when a couple of guys get. overwhelmed and get performance anxiety. down there, Uncle Red doesn't roll his. eyes or pile on pressure. He eases the. awkwardness and gets them back in the. game. Six, he has thick lips. One. netizen agrees, saying, "Uncle Red has. proved to women that men are not. actually picky." But a lot of women have.

a lot of things to say about that, obviously, with one comment reading, "I. want to thank Uncle Red for getting rid. of so many red flags for us." And. they're not even talking about the men. in the videos. They're talking about. people saying things like this about. Uncle Red. So, it's become another moral. dilemma. One netizen even comments, "His. voice is gentler than 80% of Chinese. women." Which, I'm telling you, Chinese. women had a field day with that comment. Another one comments, "Uncle Red. reflects the emptiness in the Chinese.

man's heart. Their wives are too fierce. At least Uncle Red is submissive.". Another group of men are just fully. outraged that women are not outraged at. this situation because the victims are. men, stating that women would have been. more outraged had the victims been. women. And women are agreeing saying, "Yeah, but when have you been outraged?". Last time the list of victims were. women. Like men are never outraged. It's. women being outraged for women and now. the men are the victims. You guys go be.

outraged. We're tired. So that's been. another whole collective discourse of. like, why are women being held to. greater higher standards than men? And. why do we have to be the emotional. outrage factor for every single crime. that's ever been committed if men don't. do the same for women? So, that's been a. conversation. A lot of women are also. expressing frustration that a lot of men. are using this to teach their. girlfriends, wives, and random internet. women lessons on how to be more generous.

and less demanding in order to get a. man. There is also a debate online, a. completely separate debate of whether or. not Uncle Red disclosing or not that he. is a man to the male guest is a. violation of consent or not. With people. debating online, if they don't know that. Uncle Red is a man and they are. catfished under the impression that he. is a woman, is that a crime in and of. itself or is that some sort of moral. dilemma in and of itself? I think the. conversation is tricky because when it. comes to disclosure of genders, usually.

I'm on the side of people that have not. had gender affirming surgery will. usually for their own safety disclose to. their partners prior to intimacy. And. also because they even state preference. for certain equipment has no correlation. to any sort of homophobia, transphobia. Like sometimes you're just not attracted. to certain body parts. And so you want. to let them know like, hey, I might have. a body part that you're not attracted. to. So let me tell you before we get. started. However, Uncle Red is not a. member of the trans community, and this. is clearly not a normal situation. Uncle.

Red's main objective here is to profit. off these hidden camera videos. And side. note, that's another moral dilemma of. like he's genuinely perpetuating. homophobia and transphobia through this. case. So, it it's not good. But the fact. that he's not disclosing that he's a. man, I mean, it's up for debate. A lot. of people are debating whether that goes. against consent. Many nizens have gone. through the footage and sorted these men. into three different categories. The. first group being a group of men that do.

not ask Uncle Red about his gender, likely not even thinking about it. They. have intimate relations. And because of. the way Uncle Red lifts up his skirt and. very quickly moves things along, they. may not have even noticed anything about. what equipment Uncle Red possesses down. there. With some netizens arguing, just. because the men don't ask doesn't make. it less deceitful. Some saying, "Well, they didn't know, so it doesn't matter.". But then some are saying maybe if it. wasn't for the videos being released. because maybe if they didn't know it. didn't matter to them, they didn't ask, Uncle Red didn't tell them, and then.

they had these consensual intimate. relations, that's fine. But then now. these videos are being posted online. without their consent. And then add the. element that we still live in a society. especially in Asian countries where. there is a lot more homophobia that can. actually I mean even in the US still. even in Western countries that can ruin. your life, that can take away your job, that can do all of these things. Does. that make it less consensual because of. the video element? I mean, you could go. down this entire rabbit hole, black hole. for like 10 years. And then you have a.

second group of people from the victim's. list where they discover that Uncle Red. is a man and they don't care with a few. even reciprocating oral activities. There's no debate there until you get to. the illegal videos. And then you have. the third group of people that have. their suspicions or they straight up ask. Uncle Red, like the might as well guy, and he lies to them. There's one video. where a man starts interrogating him. like, "Is that a is that and he flat out. lies?" Uncle Red is like, "Don't be. ridiculous. You're seeing wrong." And. from there, some of these men will run.

away. Uncle Red does not hold them. captive, but still that's not saying. much. And then others are staying and. just pushing through the activities. nizens are arguing whether or not. straight up lying is a violation against. the men. If the answer is yes, it is a. violation, then the next argument. dilemma is then what about the ones that. continue to state afterwards even though. netizens claim that you can see on their. faces that they don't believe Uncle Red? Is that still a violation against them? Is that not a violation? People are.

saying it's just very confusing and I. think that everybody has a different. opinion about this case. Some are saying. you can't have these debates without. bringing in the illegal filming and. releasing of these videos factor because. maybe if they knew the whole world was. going to find out about it, they would. have asked. Maybe they wouldn't have. stayed because maybe they're not. homophobic, but they're scared of being. outed. Maybe they genuinely thought that. Uncle Red was a woman. Like, it's very. confusing. >> Yeah, >> it's like a moral conundrum, I guess, is.

how people describe it. And then the. there is the morality of doxing the. victims. So there has been a lot of. debate of would this have happened if. the victims were women. And okay I will. say one thing which is when we do a lot. of research for these cases. I think. it's a really good conversation of like. two things can be true at once. I think. male victims, especially when it's. crimes like crimes, especially when the. perpetrator is a woman and it's a male.

victim, they do not get taken seriously. However, I don't think we can always. say, would this have happened if the. woman was the victim? Because I mean, there's so many cases where women are. the victims. A lot of cases where women. are the victims, they're laughed at, they're mocked, nothing happens, they. get injustice. So it almost makes it. almost insinuates that if you're a. female victim, you're going to get. justice. Everyone's going to stick up. for you, which is not the case at all. So I think two things can be true at. once. However, this I might agree with. because there has been a lot of social.

media discourse about the titles of the. videos that people are re-releasing. these illegal footage videos under. So a. lot of these websites have taken these. videos and started creating eye-catching. titles. For example, one reads, "Buzzcut, anxious guy. Brother says. nothing, just keeps taking off his. clothes. Looks like he's getting ready. to fight." Another one reads, "Milk guy. knows Uncle Red has been working hard. taking care of so many people. Brings. milk to help Uncle Red recover." Another. one just reads, "Done in a minute.". Another one, "Diehard fan of Uncle Red.

returns multiple times." Another, "A. carton of milk and a packet of tissues. in exchange for Red's private time.". Another, "Watermelon Brother brings. coolness to Uncle Red's scorching hot. summer. Who wouldn't love such a. thoughtful man?" So, some people are. saying, "If these were illegal videos of. women that were taken without their. consent, would they have been released?". >> But then you have some women fighting. back and they're saying, "Actually, they. would have and they would have created. titles like this." But what's crazy is. it happens so often. You It actually.

doesn't make the news and that's why you. don't think it happens. >> You know, literally as we speak, there's. a huge antherum case in China that's. happening at the same time. Oh, I do. think I got some emails about that. >> Yeah. Which everyone's talking about. this. Yeah. >> So, it's like just when you think, okay, that's a good point. Then someone will. come and say, "No, it's because you're. just unaware." Because when it's a. female victim, it happens so frequently, it doesn't really make the news unless. it's a massive scale operation. So, it's. been this huge back and forth and one of.

the main topics being who defines. victim. Are these men victims or not? Because a lot of people are also saying. a lot of these men, they're here to take. advantage of someone. They're here to. take advantage of Uncle Red. And yeah, it's consensual, but like they're not. perfect victims. Others are arguing. A. lot of these men got caught cheating on. their wives. A lot of these men have. families. A lot of these men have. girlfriends, fiances. So, are they a. victim? If they came here to do.

something bad and then something. backfires, is it karma or is it. victimization? That's been a. conversation online. I'm not saying. that's my conversation. And some people. are even saying that the meme culture. around this cases a lot. People have. started creating anime business cards. So, you know, you do like the character. It's like it it gives you a rating for. it's like a video game. Talking about like Pokémon cards type of. >> kind of, but they have it's like a thing. now where you do it business style as.

well. So, it's almost like characters in. someone's office building. Okay. >> And you describe their personality and. you rank them by appearance, EQ, IQ, overall ratings, stuff like that. >> Oh. Oh, got it. >> They do stars and then they have like a. cartoon character that they've drawn out. of these guys from the video. And so, for example, one is nicknamed strong. work smell guy, which is a term for in. China where you're just overworked, exhausted, stressed out, and you carry.

around this scent of work with you. like. you just never can escape the idea that. work is very depressing and everyone can. feel it off of you. He comes over to. Uncle Red's house. The two of them have. their intimate relations. He wraps up. rather quickly. Uncle Red asks him for. $138. To which he responds, "My wife has all. the money. If you want, go ask her." And. then he runs off. He has his own little. character card. And people are ranking. him like one out of five stars. Others. have deta described incredibly um. intense psychoanalysis of people's.

visits to uncle red's house with one. netzen postreading. This guy never cares. about hygiene and always complains a. lot. He always looks guarded, looks. around carefully, doesn't even want to. wash up for Uncle Red. He hates the way. Uncle Red looks. He only talks about how. he feels and he uses and trashes so many. tissues. It's a blatant disregard for. others and their belongings. He's. selfish. seems to hate Uncle Red, but. it's all a facade because he's come back. multiple times and this is a reoccurring. visitor. Then another one gets a card, and his name is just character number.

two, stingy, chubby guy. It reads, "Came. empty-handed, bargained while doing the. housework, didn't cooperate well, only. did part of the quote chores and left in. a hurry." Another one reads, "Fruit. uncle. He's very warm and kind when he. visits the elderly." (Parenthesis) Uncle. Red. He brings fruit and gives him a big. hug to show he cares. He's also. hardworking, so he does the chores. When. he leaves, he'll even take out the. trash. He's really amazing. We are also. moved. Then another one. This guy has a. hot temper. Very straightforward, but. the contract is already signed. He's.

already here. He will fulfill the. agreement. At least he keeps his. promises. Or another one that reads, "Thermr pants guy. Whenever he comes in. for a meeting, he wears the same brown. outfit with thermal pants. Every time he. talks about the plan, he's very. supportive, saying encouraging things. like, "If you do well, you'll get a. bonus." His ability is pretty sharp and. he seems to enjoy discussing the plan. He shows a strong willingness to work. together and collaborate. Then you have. people under these saying, "Is this. actually appropriate to make for victims. of crimes?" And then people will fight.

back and comment, well, are they really. victims if they're cheating? if they're. putting their family at risk because. there were reports coming out stating. that these men from Uncle RD's videos. A. lot of the videos um you can see. sometimes that they will find certain. fluids around their private parts that. seem to be suspicious looking and it. seems like they have blatant disregard. for their health, for their intimate. health. And if they're married, if. they're dating someone else, they could. be spreading these things on unknowingly.

to people that some people on the. internet believe are the true victims. Some people are saying the only victims. really in this case are the wives and. the girlfriends that are dating the men. that are going to Uncle Red's house. It. was briefly reported by the media that. 11 of the men from Uncle Red's videos. were tested and positive for HIV, but. the police quickly shut that down, saying there's that's nothing but. rumors. However, they later state there. are like three people that did test. positive for HIV. However, it's unclear. if it's connected to Uncle Red. In fact,

they cannot release if Uncle Red has any. sort of contagious disease, STD or HIV. because that would be a violation of his. privacy, which a lot of nizens are upset. about because they're like a violation. of his privacy. He violated so many. people's privacy. Release that. information. >> Yeah. And then like you know all the. people just connected 1,600 people. connects to thousands of people. >> Now the authorities have stated that the. thousand plus number is a gross. exaggeration. However netizens don't.

believe the authorities. Nizens are like. I saw the pictures. I saw the videos. I'm believing the rumors. It's a lot of. guys. Maybe it's not 1600. Maybe. it's500. Maybe it's 900. Does it matter? It's a lot of guys. That's what netizens. are saying. People are also annoyed. because the government can't do. anything. However, they are opening up. their health center for a free HIV test. if you feel like you are in fear of. contracting something. >> Oh, because of this. >> Yes. In 19. Yes.

>> Oh, wow. So, they do think there could. be a lot of people that needs to get. checked up. >> Yes. >> Wow. >> So, some people have used this as see. these men are not victims. In fact, the. only victims are their families that are. at home or their wives and their. girlfriends. Others are saying, "Well, they are victims because they're at risk. and Uncle Red probably didn't tell. them." But then the other argument is, well, they knew what they're going when. they're going there. Like, they're not. just going there to show up. So, it's.

just been this carnival ride loop around. of debates. Side note, some netizens. also believe that this case is weeding. out the not so bright men from the. brighten. One boyfriend proudly texted. his girlfriend that he bought a self. test kit at home since he had recently. gone on a business trip to Nanjing. And. he proudly stated that he tested. negative. And he was very proud of. >> Yeah. He proudly he proudly stated that. he tested negative. And he was very. proud of himself for thinking ahead. And. his girlfriend's response was obviously. very cold and detached. And he says, "You're so cold. I'm safe, baby. Are you.

not happy?" To which nizens think this. is the epitome of an empty mind. That. was probably up to no good. with one comment reading, "A business. trip. So frightened you took a test. immediately. If he didn't cheat on this. business trip, why would he need to take. a test to begin with? >> It's not like you catch it through the. air.". >> Wow. >> The girlfriend posted to that. >> Yeah. >> Wow. And with this HIV scare that's. happening, a lot of people in the. LGBTQIA community are upset because it's.

like again, are we really going to do. this again where we are creating these. homophobic. fearbased situations of the correlation. between gay men and HIV? And it's just I. can see how infuriating that is. specifically because I do think Uncle. Red got off on duping straight men into. believing that he was a woman. I think. that was also part of the quote allure. for selling these videos. >> Yeah. >> I think the people that were purchasing.

these videos, that was a huge element. >> Mhm. >> It's very annoying. There have also been. conversations on whether or not this is. a comparable situation to Bonnie Blue. Bonnie Blue, if you don't know, is I. think she's based in the UK. Is she. British? I don't I'm not sure. But she's. an Only Fans model who recently broke. the record of sleeping with like a. thousand men in 12 hours in a day. 1,000. men. And she got a lot of hate. I mean, it made news internationally. People.

hated her. Versus Uncle Red. I think. he's almost become a meme to the point. where I don't think people hate him per. se. They just make fun of him. I don't. think there's this like deeprooted I. despise you, you're setting humanity. back. Whereas that was the case with. Bonnie Blue. And there has been this. debate of wait, why is a woman who does. it consensually with men that are. consensual with men that know everything. about her and she's very proactive about.

STD health and preventing STDs? Why does. she get hate, but this man who's doing. it is almost become a legend? Then a lot. of guys come in and they're arguing, "Oh, well, you know why? It's because in. Bonnie Blue's situation, the real victim. are women." Because women feel like. she's perpetuating negative stereotypes. about women and creating this stigma. that women should be open and available. for men and are obsessed with just like. anyone on the street. Whereas in Uncle.

Red's situation, he's only victimizing. men. And so these men are saying that's. why women don't care and that's why the. world hates Bonnie Blue because the. ultimate victim is probably Bonnie Blue. and other women. And whereas for Uncle. Red, it's just men. But then there's. been a lot of push back on that as well. There's even been push back on Uncle. Red's name. So a lot of Chinese female. nizens are really upset because. initially he was called uncle red and. then people started calling him sister. red or like uh red auntie.

>> Also just for clarification some people. call it uncle Hong Hong. So h o ng is. the Chinese word for red. Yes. That's. why people call it sister hong. Uncle. Hong just means red in China. Chinese. And a lot of Chinese female nizens were. upset and they were stating, "Stop. calling him Sister Hong." Like, there. are zero women involved. This is a man's. crime. Don't drag women into it. Like, this is a man targeting men, harming. men, and why do we have to call him a.

woman? And it and I think it has to do. with the fact that he never states that. it has nothing to do with the trans. community. It genuinely just seems like. he did this because he it's part of the. allure. It's part of the videos. It's. part of maybe a kink that he has is to. trick straight men. So, a lot of people. were upset about that in China. and. they're saying you it doesn't make sense. why we have to make him sister Hong with. a lot of female Chinese nizens fighting. back and saying if a woman had genuinely.

secretly recorded and leaked footage of. her sleeping with over a thousand men. sold the footage without the men's. consent and profited money off of it. She would have been eaten alive online. But Uncle Red has become a meme. So this. is not a woman like this is Uncle Red. He's never identified as a woman outside. of committing these crimes. So what are. we doing here? That's been a huge. argument. Others are arguing Uncle Red. did nothing wrong except for the videos.

They're saying having with men is not. wrong as a man. And everyone's like, "Wait, but we know that.". >> So that's just been like a weird. conversation. But some people are. commenting justice for Uncle Red. He did. nothing wrong. Those men wanted it. I. mean, I think that has a deeper meaning. than just the words on the screen, though, cuz those men wanted it. That. sounds like a play on. >> when female victims want it. With one. netison also writing, I think apart from. the secret filming and cheating, there. is nothing to criticize. There's nothing. wrong with being gay, being by, but.

there's nothing wrong with dating or. hooking up. There's nothing wrong with. liking Uncle Red's appearance either. Which a lot of people are like, well, now you're just boiling it down to this. like random argument that everybody. already knows. It's like, of course, nothing's wrong with being gay. We. already knew that. But this is like a. really weird situation to be like, "There's nothing wrong with being gay.". >> When everyone's like, "Yeah, we know. there's nothing wrong with being gay.". >> You're the weird one for thinking like. this is your coming out moment of like, "There's nothing wrong with being gay.". Like, "No, we've been there. We all. know. Did you just catch up?" So,

there's been that argument of people. fighting back and forth. And then some. people are saying, people who are saying. that are just trying so hard to be woke. that they're like, "No, no, no, guys. This is a victimless crime." And then. some people, it's just been such a. fight. >> It's crazy. Yeah. >> There have also been some memes that. some people find funny, some people find. very offensive, but some netizens have. gone on to photoshop Uncle Red's face. onto Buddha statues. >> The Buddha statue that. >> depicts Uncle Red standing resting both. feet on the heads of two young men. And.

in one hand is a watermelon. In the. other hand is a bottle of oil. Others. are making cakes of Uncle Red's face. with words that read, "I wish you have. 1,691 men pursuing you this new year.". It's supposed to be a celebratory cake. And so people are like, "That is crazy. that this is happening." And it just. seems like the deeper that you go in, if. you pass like the first layer of memes. and people joking around, it becomes. this black hole of moral dilemmas and. arguments. And it seems like no one.

seems to agree on any aspect. It seems. like at some point people start. diverging in their thoughts and their. moral opinions of like, okay, well maybe. some people think it's okay up until. this point. Some people are like, it. isn't okay up until this point. And it. just goes on and on. What are your. thoughts, though? Side note, Uncle Red. is if sentenced, which he likely will. be, he will probably spend at least 10. years in prison, if not more,

considering how. strict the justice system is in China. But what are your thoughts? Let me know. in the comments. Stay safe. I will see. you in the next one. [Music].