Cassie’s Husband Texts Diddy “I’d Like To Beat The F*ck Out Of You”

[Music]. Bada bing, bada boom. Sometimes there's. a lot that happens when the jurors are. not in the courtroom, like the fact that. there is a fight to decide whether or. not Cassie can have her husband in the. courtroom being her emotional support. The defense attorney, Anna Esto, says, "We understand Miss Ventura's husband, Alex Fine, may be present in the. courtroom, and we expect him to be a. potential defense witness. So, we would. ask that he be excluded, which makes. sense if he's also going to be on the.

witness stand. He should not be. listening to another witness who also. happens to be his wife and the mother of. his soon to be three children. That. makes sense." However, prosecutor Emily. Johnson states more or less, "No, that. doesn't make sense at all. We were. advised of this approximately 10 minutes. ago. He's not included on the defense. witness list. Miss Ventura's husband is. here with his family to support his wife. and testify publicly. We had under the. CV, she has the right to be treated with.

dignity and privacy, and she would like. support in this courtroom as she. testifies.". to which lead defense attorney Tenny. Garagos even states, "If I could just. elaborate, what we have given the. government is the witness list for our. case and chief. The reasons are. important because at this time we can't. really tell your honor who we know we. would call. At this time, we can't say. who definitely would call and we. certainly the judge asks, "Wait, why. wasn't this raised before this morning. when he's here with his entire family.

inside this courthouse?" Wait, so he's. already in the courthouse and they're. debating to kick him out? Yes, he's in. the courthouse waiting to come into the. courtroom when Cassie comes in to. testify. Cassie's brother is here. So is her. cousin. Your honor, I apologize. I. brought this up to Miss Comey, but not. Miss Johnson yesterday. This is my. fault. And then I didn't follow up on it. last night. I apologize. We're not. looking to not have her support people. Her brother is here who was around the. all the while in their relationship. And.

we have um our application, your honor, is that Miss Ventura's husband not be in. the courtroom under rule. 615. Rule 615 is basically the don't be. listening if you're going to talk rule. The rule provides courts with the. authority to exclude witnesses from the. courtroom to prevent them from hearing. other witnesses testimonies. I mean, the. whole point being it's to prevent. witnesses from tailoring their testimony. based on what they hear from other. witnesses. So, for example, if everybody. saw the defendant, this is not about.

combs, just like a hypothetical. defendant. If they saw him kick a koala, then it would be unfair for the group of. people to hear each other testify about. how he kicked them, what he said after. he kicked the koala, and then they all. testify in a row. Another thing that the. defense points out is that Cassy's. husband at one point did send a. threatening message to the defendant, Combmes. When Cassie and Combmes were in. the midst of their breakup, he sent. quote several very threatening text. messages to our client saying that he. would like to beat the f-word out of his.

old just several words that I will not. repeat on the record. There are several. threatening messages that my client. received that we got in discovery from. the government. And the reason we didn't. put him on our witness list, of course, was because the witness list is for the. defense's case and chief. But there are. several potential witnesses that. depending on how the government's case. comes in, we would have to put on in our. case and chief basically saying. depending on how the government handles. this direct examination of Cassie. Ventura, they might come in with forcing.

Alex Fine to testify. Okay. The government is so confused. They're arguing. I'm not really sure if. at all he would be able to testify about. an alleged rape that occurred between. Mr. Combmes and Miss Ventura, but we're. open to having that dialogue and we. would ask that Miss Ventura be allowed. to have her support. Her people, including her husband, here in this. courtroom. She has various rights under.

the Crimes Victim Rights Act, and we. would ask that he be allowed to be. present. And this is happening the. morning that Cassie's to testify. M. So, she's in the courthouse and they're. arguing whether or not her husband be. allowed in. The defense, they do. something interesting though because. once rule 16 is invoked, I mean, there's. really nothing you can do about it. That. once it's invoked, it's mandatory. You. can't let him be in the courtroom. However, the defense, they come in. swinging. They're like, "No, we might. call him on the defense witness list. He.

can't be in the courtroom." And then. later they pull back a little bit and. they state, "We understand she would. like her support people. If he wants to. come into the courtroom today before we. talk about the 2018 time period, we are. fine with him remaining in the courtroom. until then. We would just ask that he be. excluded once we get into that time. period. Eventually, it is agreed upon by. the parties that Alex fine, Cassie's. husband, will only be removed for that. particular part of Cassie's testimony.".

And it's hard to say what the real. reason is on why the defense perhaps did. not want Alex Spy in the courtroom. That's what I was wondering. It just I. don't know. I mean, who could say, right? It could very much be that. they're going to call him up as a. witness. Or it could also be the fact. that from the moment that Alex Fine. walks into that. courtroom, because I was sitting behind. him for most of the testimony days of. Cassie, like directly behind him, like.

literally right in front of him. If I. lean my head forward because the pews. are kind of smashed together, I would. headbutt his back. Wow. The whole time. when he walked in, he had his head held. high, his chest out, and he stared a lot. at Shawn Combmes and all of his family. members. And let's just say I personally. would not want to be on the receiving. end of that kind of stare.

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moved around and/or condensed for. brevity and clarity. However, this. week's testimony was impossible to. shrink into a standalone episode. So, this is going to be a two-parter. In the. first part, we're going to covering the. direct and then one part covering the. cross-examination. And there's just it's. going to be questioning of the same. defense. But I. think there has been a lot of talks. about the direct and the cross. And I. also feel like there's a lot of things. that are not being talked about that. were I thought key moments. Now speaking.

of the legality of things, Shawn Combmes. is presumed innocent until proven guilty. beyond a reasonable doubt. This burden. of proof is the responsibility of the. prosecution and all the crimes that he. has been charged with are alleged until. a verdict is reached. Any descriptions. or observations regarding Mr. Combmes, his legal team, the court andor the. public during the trial were personally. noted by myself or my two other. researchers who were present in the. courtroom. They should not be used as. definitive source to determine guilt or. innocence or how you feel about someone. I do want to make some clarifications.

for the last episode. I did see some. comments that informed me that the. giggling in the courtroom when Shawn. Combmes told a male escort that he was. in the import and exporting business is. a Seinfield reference. So that's why. people were giggling. And someone. comments total insanity that Diddy was. quoting that but also very on brand. The. cross-examinations from the defense team. is someone comments is giving that he. wanted to pull a legally blonde but the. witness did not fail to keep his story. straight. So there were lots of. Seinfeld. There were lots of Legally. Blonde references and also I was.

absorbed in the comment section of the. last video because there's a good amount. of people either in law school or. attorneys already that were giving me. insight on why perhaps Donaldson. conducted the cross- examination the way. that he did and I thought some of them. were correct. So if you guys are. interested and like need some closure on. that, go check out the comments in the. last video. But with that being said, Judge Arun is seated on the bench. He's. at the very front of the courtroom. I. have a courtroom sketch for you guys.

Okay, so I am on the third to last pew. on the back right side. Alex Fine, Cassy's brother, Cassy's cousin, as well. as Cassy's legal attorney and like two. of his fellow attorneys are also in the. row in front of us. And then in front of. them are government attorneys. So. there's prosecutors that are not working. the case. So, all of Cass's uh attorney, the whole team is right in front of you. They're looking at them. Yes. And every. time Cassie takes a break or if we have.

a recess or if there's lunch, they will. walk out with Cassie and then they'll. walk back in with Cassie and they're. literally right in front of me. Mhm. Yeah. So, the judge Arun is asking, "Is. the government ready to call their next. witness?" Yes, your honor. The. government calls Cassandra Ventura. This. is the first time since 2018 that Cassie. and Shan Combmes are seeing each other. face to face. Out of one of the double. doors from behind where we're sitting, the door opens and in walks Cassie.

She's wearing the long brown dress that. you've probably seen pictures of her in. already. And there is so much tension in. that moment. The main thing that I oddly. recall in what I wrote down is the. noise. Yes, I'm like visually seeing. everything and I'm visually like trying. to analyze everybody's faces. But for. some reason, the only thing that stands. out in my recollection of that moment. and my memory is that I could be it's. the noise like the sound of the door. opening and the sound of her walking on. the carpet because I felt like it was. that quiet. Wow. It was just so intense.

She does not look at anyone when she. walks in. She keeps her eyes glued to. the front, but it's not like she's. holding her chin down. She's not looking. down. her shoulders, her back, her. stomach is like two watermelons. I mean, she's heavily pregnant. I don't even. know how she's walking and not waddling. She's like what, eight and a half. months? Yeah. Additionally, when she. sits at the witness stand, she has to. lean in at times to speak into the. microphone, which I'm sure just cannot. be comfortable. She walks in, sits at.

the witness stand, and combs from my. perception is statuesque. And maybe it's. in my head, but he feels more frozen. than normal. And it doesn't even feel. intentional because I think previously. it felt like it it seems like he's. trying to not give reactions. He's. trying to be as still as possible, but. this feels very naturally still. And. when she walks in, like the whole time. that she's walking down the aisle past. us, like everybody's body is pivoting. towards Cassie as she's walking. So,

we're our whole bodies are moving with. her. Same as Shawn Combmes. He's. watching her walk down the entire length. of the courtroom. She does not look at. him and she sits down and I obviously. listened to a ton of interviews of. Cassie when I was doing like my 8h hour. diddy arrest series last year. Her voice. was raspier when she was younger. Perhaps it was her environment. I did. I. don't like there's a there's a recipe of. restraint that I I keep when I do a. record. Her voice is actually really.

soft, which I know some people are going. to be like, "Oh my god, she's faking. it." But it didn't feel like that. She. didn't sound like she was trying to. sound meek and like so soft. It just. sounded like she was very calm. initially. Nervous but calm. And I wrote. down in my notes because I heard which. we're not supposed to be talking in the. courtroom. We're not supposed to be. responding to evidence. We're not. supposed to be having any sort of. conversations. But I do hear someone. whisper behind me. She's so beautiful. Prosecutor Johnson, who does the opening.

statement, she takes the podium right. next to the jurors. She's blonde. It's a. bob. I love it. She looks good. She. looks at Cassie. And I will say the two. of them, I'm sure they've seen each. other countless times by this point. And. again, maybe I'm overthinking things, but I thought maybe this is why Johnson. did the opening statement because when I. was um doing that recap episode for you. guys, I like shortened and condensed. that opening statement and like pulled. the parts that I felt were the most. emotional. But in the courtroom, I think.

it was like an hour long of an opening. statement. and the cadence was a lot. slower. So I there were a lot of people. that were in the courtroom that were. slightly confused on why she was the one. that did the opening statement, but that. day I'm like, "Okay, maybe this is why. because the way I interpreted it, Cassie. is looking at prosecutor Johnson and she. looks very safe looking at her. She's. not really looking at many other people. She's either looking at prosecutor. Johnson or her family who is right. behind prosecutor Johnson sitting in the.

pews and then I'm like right behind. them." Mhm. So, I mean, not that she's. looking at me, but you get it. Like, I'm. just giving you an idea of where we are. And um she doesn't she just stares at. prosecutor Johnson, and she looks like. she's more at ease when she's looking at. her. So, she keeps leaning in to talk to. into the microphone, very pregnant. At a. sidebar, lead prosecutor Comey even. brings up to the judge, "This witness is. very, very pregnant. We are afraid she. could have the baby over the weekend. We. want her off the stand before the.

weekend." So, it it's that big of an. issue. At times, Cassie's kind of. supporting her belly. She doesn't really. try to draw attention to the fact that. she's pregnant. She's not like rubbing. her belly trying to gain sympathy. Not. that I think that's a thing that someone. would do, but she just is seems. uncomfortable. She's like trying to. move, put her hands under her belly to. maybe support it up or put her hands on. her hips. There's a box of tissues next. to her. And how many hours you say she. was sitting there in that position? I. mean, it's like like hours at a time. So.

it's the jurors come in. Judge Aroon. really tries to do 9:30 to 5. It's like. a 30 minute lunch and then maybe a. handful of 10-minute breaks. Like maybe. three 10-minute breaks. And she's. sitting on this wooden bench for. majority of the day. Well, I think it. has some cushions, that one. Oh, okay. But still very uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very uncomfortable and. very cold. Everyone in the courtroom is. cold. and she looked cold as well. And.

it's just so silent. You can hear the. sketch artist just like furiously. drawing on their little posters. Through. Cassie, the jury learns that she is 38. years old now. She was in an on andoff. relationship with Combmes for a little. over 11 years. She ends up signing to. his label, Bad Boy Records, which. notably, if you remember Notorious Big, Biggie was signed with Bad Boy Records. before his murder. We're going to get. there. Cassie states that she signed a. 10 album deal with Bad Boy Records. She.

releases one album in 2006 and then. never releases another album again. Furthermore, Cassie states that she was. in a platonic friendship with Combmes. when she signed Tim and it wasn't until. her 21st birthday that things start. getting intimate. Side note, they are 17. years apart regardless. She says they go. to Vegas to celebrate her 21st birthday. And that's when she's explaining he. kissed me in the bathroom of his actual. suite pretty early in the morning. we. had been up all of us pretty late and. that's kind of how she is for majority. of her testimony. She looks very genuine.

in her thought is the perception that I. had and obviously I think I went in with. biases but she just when she's asked a. question she looks like she's getting. into that moment. She's like lost in. that moment. It doesn't seem like she's. stuttering of like oh I I don't know. actually. It just seems like she's in. that moment and just trying to say, "Yeah, that's what happened." Basically, that was kind of her energy throughout. She says that she was really confused.

whilst Combmes is just like scribbling. down notes. So, there are there's like a. few different modes that Shawn Combmes. took during Cassie's testimony. He's. either very stoic, very statuesque, or. there are moments where it feels like. he's intensely staring at her. He could. be staring at the evidence screen. intensely. He could be staring at the. judge intensely, but it did feel like he. was staring at her intensely at certain. points or he's like just scribbling. notes because I mean they're preparing. for their cross-examination. So.

everything she says right now is very. important for the defense team. And I. thought it was very interesting because. Mark Agnil, the lead attorney, he's. taking a lot of notes, but Shawn Combmes. is taking a lot of notes. And I thought. about it and I was like, you know, that. makes sense because he doesn't strike me. as the type of person that will let the. lawyers just do their jobs. He strikes. me as the type of person that is trying. to be an equal part of the team, that is. giving his input, that's giving his. advice on the strategies. And Mark. Agnil, he's also two modes throughout.

all of this. He's either like furiously. writing on his legal pad or he's like. leaned back in his chair like he's. watching a movie. Like it's two modes. It's either like just passively viewing. or just furiously taking notes. I think. I was just really confused at the time. Again, young new artists like just. really didn't know the lay of the land. when it came to things like that. So, in. my confusion, I just kind of cried and. ran out. So, she said that they kissed. in the bathroom, she cries, and she runs. out because she's not used to any of.

this before. She's she doesn't even. understand it. This is the executive, the owner of Bad Boy Records, the label. that she's just signed with. She says, "Yeah, I mean, I was pretty naive, I. would say. I think the part that made it. a little more confusing, maybe to add. some context, is that Combmes was in a. public relationship with Kim Porter at. the time, and Cassie was publicly dating. a producer named Leslie. Cassie says she. did not want to kiss Combmes. Not in. that moment. But eventually, they come. back to New York and they start hanging.

out more. He was getting his apartment. renovated. So, she would meet him up at. the hotel that he was staying at, which. was, interestingly enough, the Trump. Hotel in New York City, which there's. always been conversations happening. about the connection between Diddy and. Trump. But Cassie says even the first. time she was invited to the Trump Hotel. She describes the feeling as I mean, initially a bit nervous and then just. like being a young artist, excitement of. course and okay, we're going to talk. about music or we're going to talk about. what's next. I think it's just it's a.

lot of in that time period that's just. kind of hazy because it was a while ago. but just nervous and excitement. A while. later she elaborates on the hotel visits. and this is while all the while Combmes. Agnif scribbling in their notepads. I. think it was nervous excitement. It also. just made me feel sneaky. I didn't know. I was curious but of course I ended up. here and wanted to be like around him. So that was just kind of it. I was like, "Okay, I'm here." Leaving, it was just.

always confusing because I really didn't. know what I felt. I felt like I didn't. know what I knew that I was making. decisions for myself or not. I feel like. I was just like, "Here I am. I don't. know how to explain that." But through. the hotel meetups of them just talking. about these projects, they start. developing a lot more comfortable. relationship with each other. And then, quote, I remember being introduced to. the idea of oral sex. It wasn't. something that I really understood or. did at that point. and he basically. taught me how. So that's when the. relationship starts turning intimate.

Cassie says he become she becomes one of. his girlfriends. And at the time she. didn't even know. It wasn't really. confirmed per se, but they were always. spending intimate time together. So she. assumed that they're boyfriend and. girlfriend. Yes. But they never went. public about it because quote is always. just a discussion of me being his artist. and not wanting it to look bad. But I. also know it was because of his family. and his children and other things that. were personal for him. He's also. publicly linked with Kim Porter around. this time. Kim Porter being one of the.

mothers of his children to three of his. seven children. Well, actually. technically four because of Quincy, right? Yeah. So, that's interesting. because Quincy is Kim Porter and Alb. Shore's son. That Diddy claims he's. adopted. I'll be Shore denies that he's. not been adopted by Diddy. And then. Christian King Combmes and then you've. got the twins. So, technically four of. the seven. and they start showing. pictures of Cassie and Shawn just to. establish their relationship. Miss. Ventura, directing your attention to the. screen in front of you, do you recognize. who's depicted in that still image? Yes,

that's me and Sean. They're establishing. the relationship. And these are pictures. that you can Google from them on red. carpets. Like, there are some more. private photos, but nothing alarming, nothing salacious, nothing mind-blowing, just pictures of them hanging out with. friends. And this is when I noticed. something very interesting. And I. thought, okay, maybe I'm thinking too. deep into it. My researcher right next. to me is like, "No, you're not." Because. she took the exact same notes and we're. not looking at each other's notes in the. courtroom. We're not talking. We're not. allowed to. Right? But when we came out,

it was interesting. So when there were. pictures of just Cassie on the exhibit. screen, which is to the right of Alex. Fine. So we all kind of Cassie is. directly in front of Alex Fine. And then. Diddy, you kind of have to pivot a. little to the left or your eyes can. pivot, but you know, your head can. pivot. And then you can pivot to the. right and you see this TV that shows the. exhibits. When there were pictures of. just Cassie and maybe like Cassie and a. girlfriend of hers, it seems like he. would look at the screen. He would look. at the exhibit. When it was a picture of.

Cassie and Shawn Combmes on the screen, I did not see him pivot any of the. times. He's just looking straight at his. wife. He will not look at those. pictures. And those pictures are not. salacious. They're like red carpet. pictures, right? he won't look at them. But then when there's pictures of abuse, he will look at them. And not only did. we notice and perceive that he looks at. the evidence of the pictures that show. the abuse, like bruising, he will look. at it and then we saw him look and glare.

at Combmes, the defendant, and the. family. Yeah. So, it's like when it was. Cassie, he would look and then he would. look back at his wife. When it's Cassie. and Diddy, he's just eyes fixated on his. wife on the stand. And then when it's. the abuse, he will look and then he. won't look at his wife. He will stare. down the defendant and the family. members. And this is like multiple days, too. And what's crazy is they're looking. back. Oh, really? They're making strong.

eye contact. At one point I um and like. at the risk of sounding super dramatic, Janice Combmes is a very intense woman. She's very tiny. She's a short little. lady. Okay. Sean Combmes mom. Yes. This. is Sean comes mom. She comes in like a. lot of uh people I did over here hallway. talk of her choice of wigs. You know, she'll come in big old sunglasses, like. just kind of interesting outfits and. she's a tiny tiny little lady, but she.

is terrifying in my opinion. There's. something about her that is so. terrifying. So, there's this moment. where Janice Combmes, Sean Combmes's. mom, I thought she was side eyeing me. Not that I am anybody, but like just. because that's the I look over there. She's two rows ahead of us, but on the. left side, so diagonally two rows. But. for Alex fine, she's only one row ahead, right? And I see her and she's like kind. her head is still towards the front of.

the courtroom, but her eyes are peeking. over her sunglasses, and it is the most. intense side eye I've ever seen from. anybody. And I was thinking, what did I. do? Like, did I accidentally bump into. her at the restroom? She was not looking. at me. She was looking at Alex fine. And. she held that glare for Oh my god, it. was the longest glare ever. Really? Was. it Alex aware of that glare or I don't. think so. But it was a really long.

glare. Just so intense. And with that, there are a lot of things that have gone. viral now with the direct questioning or. the direct examination by prosecutor. Johnson. So, she's standing at the. podium. Miss Ventura, do you recognize. who is depicted in government exhibit. 2A501? Yes. Who is it? Scott Mesci or. Kid Cuddy as people know him? We dated. in 2011. We worked together for a brief. period. Cassie says that when they were.

dating in 2011, she did not tell Sean. Combmes, but he did find out. How did he. find out? He actually found out during a. freakoff in LA. He went through my phone. and I believe he saw emails between me. and one of Scott's staff members. It was. about bringing my toiletry bag to my. house or something like that the next. day. What was his reaction after he saw. those emails? I just remember him. putting like a wine bottle opener. between his fingers and like lunging at. me. Just a his eyes were blacked out,

super angry, and I just had to get out. of there. It was actually another time. that I was able to get out of a. freakoff. She runs away to another. hotel, gets her burner phone. So, she's. got a burner phone so that she can call. Scott. Eventually, he picks her up. She's saying, "This whole situation is. not going to be resolved if I just keep. running away." She's like, "I got to go. and just explain to Sean what's going. on." Like, we were on a break. Maybe. we're moving on. Maybe we're all moving. on, you know? And it's not like he's not.

seeing other people. She says, "When I. arrived at his house, that was the house. where his bedroom was on like the top. floor. It's this massive mansion in LA. So, I went into his room and he was. irate. He was just so angry. And when I. was in the room, he told me about the. videos that he had that he was going to. release of me and how he was going to. hurt Scott and I. So, that was all said. there. And then I just ultimately left. When I was leaving, I was more than. ready to go. He Sean kicked me in the. back on my way out. So, I just had a big.

bruise on my back. I fell to the floor. and yeah and then left. I had a large. bruise on my back. The day is fuzzy, but. I had bruises in other places on my. body. I just remember that one. significantly because he literally. kicked me with the bottom of his foot in. my back. When she goes back to the hotel. room, it is trashed. She doesn't know. what it seems like allegedly that one of. Shawn Combmes's guards, maybe himself,

maybe one of his accomplice, I don't. know, trashed the hotel room. She says. it was just torn up. There was somebody. peed all over the floor in the bathroom. My clothes were everywhere. All the. furniture was over like turned upside. down. Somebody pooped in the toilet and. didn't flush it. It was just gross. So, she gets another hotel room with Scott. And that's when she sends an email to. her mom and Scott just in case as a. record. It reads, "Threats. The threats. that have been made towards me by Shawn. Puffy Combmes are that he is going to. release two explicit sex tapes of me.

one on Christmas Day, maybe before or. right after, and another one sometime. soon after that. He has also said that. he will be having someone hurt me and. Scott Muskete physically. He made a. point that it wouldn't be by his hands. He actually said he'd be out of the. country when it happened. Wow. Soon. after that, Cassie flies home to. Connecticut to be with her mom. And. within hours, her mom is taking pictures. of her giant bruises on her back because. she's like, "No, something's not right. You abruptly fly to Connecticut." And. now, like, what happened? I'm sure her. mom has like a six sense this is her.

daughter. Cassie tells her mom that no, this is the first time that Shawn. Combmes has ever been abusive. She says, "I just wasn't ready." And I was also. just terrified because the prosecutor is. asking, "Why didn't you just tell her. the truth?" Like that this has been. going on for so long. Like, it's not. normal. What's not normal? Just. constantly being bruised up by the. person that you love or that says they. love you. Like, you can't justify it to. anyone. just especially not your mom. At. that point, Cassie requests that Scott.

and her break up. At this point in the. testimony, Cassie requests a break and. so she walks out abruptly. Her husband. is also following her out. Now, I will. say that Alex mind the whole time she he. doesn't look happy, especially when he's. looking in the general direction of. where the defendant and the defendant's. family are sitting. I would not even say. that he looks stoic or neutral. He looks. kind of pissed. But when he's walking. out after Cassie requests a break, he. looked like he was like ready to burn. the world down for her. Really? Yeah. He.

looked very upset, but in like a. protective way. It didn't just look like. he's like, "I'm so angry," you know? It. just he seemed very upset. Like I think. he's upset at the fact that his wife is. going through this. Mhm. After that. break, Cassie comes back to tell the. court that in Connecticut, cuz Kid Cuddy. had come to Connecticut with her, she. just wanted to break it up with him. She. said it was too much danger, too much. uncertainty of what could happen if they. kept seeing each other. When you say. danger, what specific danger were you.

worried about? I mean, Sean said to me. before I left LA that he was going to. hurt the both of us, and I at least took. that in my mind, like, if I stay in this. situation, we both will be hurt. If I. don't, no one will be. He mentioned that. when we were out of the country that. Scott's car would be blown up. He wanted. his friends to be there to see it. When. you say he wanted his friends to be. there to see it, who is he? Shawn wanted. Scott's friends to be there to see the. car get blown up in the driveway. But. after that incident, Cassie Combmes and. Kid Cuddy do end up meeting up with each.

other. And this is like information that. I have not come across until the. testimony at Soho House in LA. The. purpose of the meeting was to discuss. the relationship that we were no longer. in. Yeah. And the only thing I remember. from the end was Scott asking Shawn. Scott said, "What about my vehicle?" And. Shawn said, "What vehicle?" And that was. the end of the meeting. Wait, where were. they met up and talked about We don't. know. Yeah. At all. Just that they're no. longer seeing each other. Okay. And that.

was the part with Kid Cuddy that. everyone has been talking about. And I. think the internet has been speculating. that potentially he could be called to. testify. Kim Porter was brought up a. lot. And I think it was interesting for. her to be brought up in the presence of. also her children. Now, a picture from. the 2006 BET Awards pops up on the. exhibit screen and it's Kim Porter, Combmes, Cassie, and a woman named Sher. Dennis. They're all on the red carpet. Who is Kim Porter? Kim Porter was Sean's. ex from before me and the mother of his.

children. So far, Kid Curry, Kim Porter. have come up, but there hasn't been much. discussion that we didn't already know. from like a few months ago about the two. of them. But also, the infamous Suge. Knight comes up. If you need some. context, it's like I genuinely think. Shawn Combmes lived 10 different lives. Suge Knight is like from five, six, seven lives ago. Cassie says Combmes and. Suge Knights, yeah, we're rivals, which. is very valid. Combmes had Bad Boy. Records from New York. Suge Knight had.

Death Row Records for LA. They had. Notorious Big Shawn and then Suge Knight. had Tupac. And so they got the infamous. East Coast West Coast hiphop rivalry. which semi results in Tupac and Biggie. Smalls death, their murders. There's. actually quite a bit to unpack with Suge. Knight. And uh this is how Cassie. describes the incident at the Melrose. Diner where Sug Knight is shot and. there's speculations that Shawn Combmes. had something to do with it. Cassie. says, "Sean and I were having a freakoff. at one of his homes in LA. And uh I just.

remember we were kind of like just. chilling at this point and Drock, one of. the security guards, came in and he said. that Suge was down at Mel's diner, which. was just right down the hill." And they. quickly packed up and drove down there. What was your reaction? I I was crying. I was screaming like, "Please don't do. anything stupid." Um I was just really. nervous for them. I didn't know what it. meant, what they were going to do. I saw. them get dressed and leave the house. And you mentioned that they returned. Is. that correct? Yes. Approximately how. long between when they left did they.

return? It really wasn't that long. I. couldn't imagine. It was probably like. definitely less than an hour, 30. minutes, 30, 45 minutes tops. When they. get back, the prosecutors, they now want. to focus on the guns. Have you ever. handled Sean's guns? Um, handled? I've. been handed. Yeah, but scared. Who. handed a gun to you? I don't know. specifically who, but it was some. security guard in the car. Approximately. when did this happen? And what do you. recall about that night? I just remember.

I we took mushrooms and I was like. really high and I was handed the gun to. just hold in my bag, but I was just. freaking out the whole time that it was. going to go off. I didn't I hadn't used. or learned to operate a gun at that. point. So, wait, is this like kind of. like the JLo situation? Yes. So, this. might be important later because if you. guys remember, there was an incident a. while back and this is when Comb Sean. Combmes did was reportedly dating. Jennifer Lopez. There was a nightclub. shooting and it is alleged that JLo had.

a gun in her purse as they left the. nightclub. This is what we said about it. months ago. As they're dating, both of. them get arrested in New York City for a. shooting that happens at a club. Diddy. had been at this club with JLo Shine, which is like a musical artist that he. had just signed, I believe, and his. bodyguard, Anthony Wolf Jones. The four. of them are at a club when an argument. breaks out, and somehow that escalates. to shots being fired. Ultimately, three. people get shot. There are witnesses. from the club that are certain that they.

saw Diddy holding a gun in his hand. Diddy's protege, Shine, was also holding. a gun. And according to a witness, that's what the witness remembers, but. they fell to the ground cuz they had. been shot in the shoulder. Another. bystander, she had nothing to do with. the initial fight. She doesn't even know. these people. Her name is Nata Rubin. She was shot in the face by Diddy, she. claims. Shine, the 18-year-old musician, gets arrested at the club. Diddy and JLo. had already left by the time the cops. come. They ran straight to the car. Side. note, some alleged that Diddy zipped out. of there, leaving his girlfriend behind.

But either way, they both end up in the. car being chased by NYPD. I think they. run like 11 traffic lights before. they're finally pulled over. And inside. the car, some sources allege inside. JLo's purse was the gun because Diddy. would make her. Anyway, long story. short, there's a lot of allegations that. Diddy was the shooter. They all get. arrested. JLo's charges are dropped. Now. it's just Diddy, his bodyguard, and his. musical protege, Shine. But Cassie.

states she had that gun in her bag. It. was in my bag for the duration of the. club visit. So like about an hour, an. hour and a half. And how did you feel. while the gun was in your bag? Just. terrified. I didn't want anyone to touch. me, come near me. I just stayed like. sitting in the back. After you left the. club, what did you do with the gun? As. soon as we got in the car, I gave it to. whoever the security was. I just didn't. want it. I had no idea why I had it in. the first place, and I just wanted to. not be holding a loaded gun if I was. Speaking of guns, Cassie testifies that.

there are a lot of guns inside the. Comb's homes. Firstly, he has a lot of. homes. Secondly, he reportedly has a lot. of guns in those homes. Cassie says she. personally saw guns in his New York, LA, Miami, and Jersey residences just like. laid out on the table by security, handguns. She says, "Yeah, maybe there. was no point in those guns being laid. out on the tables." She said it felt. psychological. She says it's a vague. memory just came out here and there and. guns were taken out here and there. So, like just I always felt like it was just.

a bit of a scare tactic. I didn't really. know for what purpose. However, Suge. Knight is now in prison and he has. always been suspicious of Shawn Combmes. and he still does jailhouse interviews. saying that he's suspicious of Shawn. Combmes. But since we're on Shug Night, we also have to talk about Notorious Big. Real quick. Cassie mentions that there. are aliases that the two of them would. use to book hotel rooms for these. freakoffs. Cassie went by Jackie Star, Veronica Bang, and Anita Crawford. Combmes went by Frank Black or Frank.

White. She's asked, "Turning to Jackie. Star. Why did you use the name Jackie. Star?" Um, that was a name that I don't. know who came up with it. It w if it was. him or me that I just used to actually. book dancers. So, I would use that name. instead of my own name and then just. started using it as a hotel room name. But she never mentions why Combmes was. named Frank Blacklight or Frank White. But if you look online, Biggie Smalls. would often refer to himself as Frank. White. He got the name from a movie.

character who quote goes from ashy to. classy. And he would sometimes be called. black Frank White because it's just a. big part of his lore. So if you're not. familiar with the Biggie lore, I will. link that episode below or just wait. because there have been whispers that. the conversation is going to arise. again. Um, Biggie has since obviously. passed, but there's there's whispers. that it's going to be a bigger. conversation later on. Prince is also. brought up. Cassie is explaining that. one day she was with her makeup artist,

Mila Morales, at the Beverly Hills. Hotel, and one of the friends, she's. just there with a group of girlfriends. One of the friends is like, "Do you know. that Prince is having a party at his. house? He's going to perform. I mean, we. got to go. It's like a once in. a-lifetime experience to see Prince at a. private performance. So Cassie shows up. She says, "We arrived and went. downstairs. There weren't that many. people there and Prince wasn't. performing yet. So we were just there. and I saw some executives from like BET. I saw different people that I knew. through Shawn. And then suddenly I heard.

that he was there." Prince or Shawn? Sean. Huh? She did not tell him. I mean. it's not like she was I mean she thought. that if she told him he was going to say. no. It's not that he asked and she lied. She just was with her girlfriends and. then the night ended up at Prince's. house at a party where there's a bunch. of other people. Cassie says that she. immediately books it out of there. though. Just like runs as fast as she. can for the hills into the front yard. because she could tell that he was. angry. She says he came after her.

Quote, "It's a little fuzzy, but the. most distinct memory I have is like. running and falling into the bushes in. the front yard and like I don't know if. at that point he was over me. I have no. idea. I just remember falling in the. bushes and then getting up quickly, getting into the car and getting back to. the hotel. He follows her to the hotel. where the makeup artist, Mila, is asleep. on the couch. So, he bursting through. the room. She's like, "Please, can we. just like fight in the bedroom?" And she. says, "We had this bad fight. He beat me. up in that room. He was throwing luggage. at me, just calling me all kinds of.

names." Is he just very jealous, controlling? Yeah. Now, there are. allegations that before the trial that. Prince's name might come up during the. trial. It could be referring to this. It. could be referring to further. allegations that Prince and Combmes. would party together. People thought it. was strange, but most people seem to. agree that the relationship between. Combmes and Prince was more professional. distant than close friendship. Now, side. note, more celebrity names will come up.

during the cross- examination of Cassie, which will be covered in the next one, but um the most important name that I. think that came up during the direct, I. will say when some of these big names. came up, the jurors seemed a lot more. attentive, a lot more awake. Like the. minute that Kid Cuddy came up, they're. like jotting notes. Like these names are. I mean, a lot of people know these. names, especially Kid Cuddy for some. reason. Now, there is this moment though. where the government requests backtoback. exhibits to be shown to the witness, to. Cassie, but also to the open court, and.

all of them are pictures of male. escorts, which side note, Alex Fine does. not appear to be looking at the pictures. of the male escorts. And I don't think. it's because he's upset and like shocked. at his wife having gone through this. Like, some people are trying to make it. seem like uh she had so many partners. He's so disgusted. It just looked like. they are at a different stage in their. lives now. They have to come and. testify, but they have a family and he's. just choosing not to look at the photos.

Like that's how I perceived it. Now. she's responding to the ones that she. recognizes. She's like, "This one is. Islander. He was hired for freakoffs.". And I think he was on the site Latin. man. Next exhibit. I knew this one as um. I knew him as Tommy. Next exhibit. I. don't really recall his name. Next. exhibit. I knew him as Skyler and this. is Jake. This is Greg. And then another. photo pops up and the jurors have zero. reaction. But the press, there's. shuffling in the press. People are like.

writing in the press like you just hear. pens on journals. Miss Ventura, who do. you know the individual depicted in. government exhibit 2A624 to be? Jonathan. It's Jonathan OD. Do you. remember him? This is what we said about. him a few months ago. They say the. floors of the Trump National Dural Miami. Hotel are impeccably clean, evidenced by. footage of a man dressed in black inside. the hotel that gets released. He's in.

this nearly empty area of the hotel and. he's pointing his gun behind him. And. his wrist seems to be made out of jello-. shooting up in the air at the ground. He's sometimes shooting at the. chandelier, sometimes at the ground. itself. And the footage is interesting. He's just recklessly shooting his gun. He's slipping on the freshly cleaned. floors multiple times. He's wearing just. socks on tiled floors. Then he gets up. and then shoots around like his wrist is. made out of jello- and then starts. running trips again. Honestly, if you.

told me this is movie footage of a man. who is shooting at ghosts, I would. potentially believe you. But it's not. It's real footage. It's real footage of. a man screaming, "Come out, mother.". while shooting at the ceiling and in the. lounge areas. This man also grabs an. American flag to drape over the front. desk of the hotel. This is during. Trump's presidency. He goes behind the. counter, starts breaking, smashing the. computers. When the Miami Dade police. arrive, a shootout ensues, both sides.

are firing, and in the commotion, the. gunman manages to flee. He is found. later hiding near the elevators with. gunshot wounds to his legs. One gunshot. to the right ankle, two to the left leg. Interestingly enough, most of the shots. fired by the man were into the floor and. ceiling and ultimately the only one shot. thankfully was himself. The man, Jonathan OD, is arrested. He's aer for a. website called. dancingbears.com. It's an X-rated. website where male dancers put on big.

bear masks and have intimate relations. with women. But he continues rambling. about, quote, "Obama is Osama. Trump. makes his money on gas. Kill all the. police in the street. Useless, good for. nothing. Nada. All of you. Laws are. corrupt. Police death has come to you. You You be judged. Die for now and for. hell and for all of eternity. People in. the streets are going to shoot you, get. heart attacks. You're all dead. I'm. going to let them know to put a bullet. in your head. My dog Bubbles, you got to.

let him out of the apartment, Bubbles. If he does not eat, he will die. He then. proceeds to pass the officers his house. and car keys. Don't hurt my dog, Bubbles. You don't have time in the. United States. Yeah, just my dog. Bubbles. He continues on his rambles. I. have a settlement. I have a settlement. with the former president of the United. States, Obama. I have a settlement with. the current president of the United. States, Donald Trump. And I have one. with P. Diddy. Excuse me.

After the hospital, Jonathan OD is. brought into an interrogation room. Here's what I want you guys to know. Diddy and Ross, which they're good. buddies, okay? And uh they're they're. gay. Ross. Rick Ross. The police are. confused. Who Who is Katie and Ross and. Kevin? They're all gay. DJ Kelly, Rick, Ross, and PJ. They all gay. Yeah. Gotcha. You know the Illuminati group. that I was telling you about? He puts.

his hands up in a triangle shape. The. Illuminated group, you know, the. Illuminati, which is an elite group, okay? Individuals which run the whole. country. All right. What I did this for. was to basically transmit a statement to. the American people because they want. the United States to fall. They've been. creating chaos and confusion in the. United States. They want the United. States to fall. You have the Illuminati. basically, which means illuminate. They. do um satanic ritual abuse, which is. basically CIA mind programming.

techniques to their own family and kids. And they bond that way. They. do animal abuse, killing of animals, blood sacrifices, uh and everything in. the Bohemian Grove, you know, where the. bushes go. Okay. How do I know this? Yeah, that's what I want to know. How do. you know this? Sean Combmes, Puff Daddy. Yeah. P Diddy, whatever you call himself. these days. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. He's. part of what's called the boule. The ble. the boule is a branch of the Illuminati.

Okay. It's the black people. Okay. I'm. from Africa, so I'm not a racist. Okay. Okay. You're my brother, so I like black. people. Okay. My my mom I was raised by. a by a African woman in my house. Okay. And the police are like, "Okay, right. Right. Okay. Um so I have this. settlement with Shawn and he belongs to. that agenda. That's why he's so famous. They land over. contracts. Uh, okay. He leans in. He. puts his arms on the table. I had with.

Cassie and Sean. Basically, he would uh. he would tell me what to do with Cassie. I had like 15 encounters and I heard a. lot because when they would do it, Sean. talks a lot on the phone and on the TV. with speakers and stuff and I'll be in. there. I was like a slave. Yeah. For. them. That's what I was. He leans back. Um, so I caught herpes. He goes on, "What is going on?" Yeah. I mean, it. just seems like the ramblings of someone. who is a little.

unhinged. He leans back and he goes on. to explain that Diddy's two attorneys. asked him to turn in a video recording. Those two attorneys are also involved in. Michael Jackson's death and the. Illuminati. It's unclear, but it seems. like he's stating a video was recorded. of this supposed encounter and he turns. it in, but he also states they gave it. back to me accidentally and it's. possible that I threw everything out, but it's also possible that I could. produce a copy. I'm not. sure. Now, how does that lead up to him.

going into the Trump Hotel with a gun? My settlement put me in a box. Basically, I couldn't talk cuz otherwise. I'll be sued. So, I let it be. But they've been. following me and they've had smart car. has had uh the FBI on me has had other. interpretive other agencies looking at. me and spying on me. Okay? Cuz they. wanted to set me up as an extortionist. Like if I extort Sean for money, it's.

wrong. Basically, what happened is the. Sorak agenda, you know, the SRA vodka. agenda is to promote binge drinking and. drugs. the hip-hop agenda. That's why. they had Tupac killed because when they. killed him, they gained pain. That's. when the record sales go up. That's how. you become famous. That's how that's how. you do it. All right. Tupac is still. alive. He's in Cuba. Basically, what. happens? It was in the hip-hop agenda. What he alleges in more simplified. terms, they move drugs all over the. United States. They move drugs in.

private jets that don't get screened. within the United States domestically. They move all that dope in the private. jets. They move what's called high-grade. powder MDMA. They move cocaine. They. move liquid cocaine in their bottles, too. I see liquid cocaine. I've cracked. myself having sex with Dillian Cassie. Okay. It's not good. He drinks all the. time. All right. He calls it G, but it's. liquid cocaine. All right. Many state it. sounds like an interrogation that one.

would watch to study for psychology. class. And to be frank, there's many. parts of the interrogation that sounds. like the unhinged ramblings of someone. who has lost touch with reality and has. gotten swept up in every internet. conspiracy possible. Perhaps he created. a whole fantasy of two high-profile. A-list celebrities and in his mind, he. truly knows them. He's met them. He's. had these encounters with them. But it's. all a fantasy, right? It doesn't change. the fact that he committed this crazy. crime. And it does appear that most of.

what he's saying are full-blown. conspiracies. We hope. But the question. is, what if there's even a little bit of. truth to what he's saying? And now. Cassie has just confirmed that they know. each other. He recently did an interview. with News Nation from a Miami jail. By. the way, he says, "I felt bad because I. got along well with Cassie. I think. she's a decent person and unfortunately. I had a suspicion that she was in a. situation that you know but I wasn't. sure and now understand what was going. on in her life and was happening and.

beating her up in the hotel shows me the. type of individual he is confirms that. everything that happened to me was true. and correct. He was saying like PI were following. him. He was scared for his life. He says. all this starts because he was making. more money to perform sexual acts. He. says, "I got dressed like a police. officer." Do you recall witnessed to. you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got. dressed like a police officer and they. stripped me down and then they offered.

me some money. They offered me some. money to do some extra stuff. He. describes everything pretty distinctly. He says the freakoffs. Yeah. I mean, candles, you know, I would just he would. just sit in the corner sofa, watch, and. he'd tell her, you know, give. instructions what to do to perform it. Rub baby oil. Well, then he'd tell me, "Rub baby oil on her, perform oral sex.". He says that he probably engaged in 15. sessions and he would get paid about. $800 each time. He says the biggest. issue though that he had was Cassie just.

seems so drugged out that he decided I. feel like she's going to die one day and. they're going to blame it on me. So, he. says that he records a video at a. freakoff because he's scared. He says, quote, "Because after she passed out, I. decided to record that. So, in event. anything worse happened, if she died, well, anybody died, they'll be on. camera. They'll be on video. Like I. wouldn't be responsible for any of that. He records it, but they catch on. He. says Combmes and two associates and ski. mask start coming to get him and he. starts Combmes just starts threatening.

Jonathan. That's what he's accusing. Eventually, allegedly, Jonathan signs an. NDA and takes allegedly $5 million of. what some might call hush money. It's. unconfirmed, but there is a screenshot. of an agreement floating around on the. internet. We don't know how accurate it. is, but he did instantly immediately. start going on a real estate shopping. spree in Florida. Did he buy something? Yes, he bought like a bunch of real. estate. Now, hold on to Jonathan Odie. because he's going to come back in the.

next episode as well. There were a few. moments where they're pulling something. from the evidence and Cassie would just. kind of quietly shift in her chair. She. just seems really uncomfortable on the. chair. She's not trying to move or. fidget too much, but anytime there's a. moment where she's not being asked a. question, she's like trying to readjust. her belly, her positioning, and her. shoulders will go up, and then she'll. just kind of like lower them as if she's. like releasing tension, and she reaches. for tissues to wipe her tears. And again, this could be a very strong.

bias, but I was thinking about it and. I'm like, I bet she's really lonely up. there cuz it's not like you can just. say, "Hey, can I have my husband sit. next to me? Hey, can I like go and. meditate for 10 minutes or like go cry. in the bathroom? I mean, she can take a. few breaks here and there, but I imagine. that feeling to be very lonely. Like. your your brother, your husband, your. cousin are in the courtroom. They're so. far away and there's all these scary.

people in between and scary not like. threatening, but you know, attorneys are. scary. They're intense. The jurors are. just sitting right next to her and it's. just like, yeah, prosecutor Johnson. asks, "And how did you learn what a. freakoff was?" Uh within the first year. of our relationship, Sean proposed me. this idea, this sexual encounter that he. called voyerism, where he would watch me. be um have intercourse and sexual. activity with a third party,

specifically another man. When Sean. first proposed freakoffs, what was your. reaction? Oh, I just remember like my. stomach falling to my butt. Like just. the nervousness and the confusion in. that moment. I think I was 22 at the. time. I just turned 22. I don't I didn't. have a concept of how that would be a. turn on, but I also felt a sense of. responsibility with him sharing. something like that with me, you know. So, yeah, I I was confused, nervous, but. also loved him very much and wanted to.

make him very happy. So, how did Sean. describe voyerism to you? He described. voyerism as a fantasy that he had where. he would want to see me having with. another male and having sexual. interaction. Yeah, he would watch. What. was your reaction when Sean told you. about voyerism? I was shocked. I didn't. I wasn't expecting anything like that. I. just really like at a loss. I didn't. know how to react. I didn't want to. upset him if I said that it scared me or. if I said anything outside of okay,

let's try it because I was just always. down for the things he wanted to do. I. was really nervous, like really really. nervous. What if anything did Seawn say. to you about swinging? Uh, swinging was. brought up separately and it was a. lifestyle that he taught me about about. couples that switch partners and yeah, I. didn't really have too much knowledge of. it. Did you agree to try a freakoff when. Shawn first proposed one? I did. Approximately how old were you when. Shawn first proposed freakoffs to you? I. think I just turned 22. And how did it.

come how did the term freak off come. about? I honestly don't remember exactly. how it came about. Can you describe for. the jury when you say the term freakoff. what that. entails? Um, basically it entails the. hiring of an escort and setting up the. experience so that I could perform for. Shawn. And what did the performance. involve at a high level? The performance. involved I'm. sorry she seems to start getting. emotional. It just involved watching.

Sean being able to watch me with the. other person and direct like direct us. on what we are doing sexually. And when. you say the other person, who are you. referring to? The third party, the. escort or dancer that would be hired. Cassie explains during the freakoffs, combs would provide ecstasy and alcohol. What did you wear to the first freakoff. specifically? I don't know exactly, but. it was definitely an outfit from a sex. store. Hustler or something with some. really high platform shoes, like dancing. shoes. Always super see-through netting.

outfit. It varied just like a sexy. outfit from a store. What are some of. the stores you would buy outfits at? Um, in LA, there's a store called Pleasure. Chest Hustler on Sunset. Here in the. city, there's just like little shops. everywhere. She says that she would. always wear those stripper dance shoes, just like extremely high heels, uncomfortable but extremely high. She. would wear them throughout the entire. freak off. Sometimes if there was a. break, she would take them off, but. mainly she would wear them throughout. Who decided what you would wear to the. freakoffs? I would purchase outfits and.

show Sean and see what he liked the. best. What, if anything, did you do to. disguise your appearance? She states. later that the very first time Shawn. told her that they would be wearing. masks, like a masquerade mask, and then. later sometimes she would wear glasses. Sometimes she would wear wigs. What if. any supplies were needed for freakoffs? Main supplies were baby oil, astroglide. as lubricants, and condoms. Who. typically bought the supplies for the. freakoffs? More often than not, it was. the staff. Like the room was usually. stocked by the time we got there. If. not, if it were like a last minute.

situation that I set up, I would get. things or sometimes Sean would bring. them. Initially, what kind of lighting. was used for freakoffs? Initially, it. was candle lit. So, various candles. What kind of candles were used um at the. time? Really strong smelling candles. like Glade or Dip Teique? Any just. really strong smelling? Approximately. how many candles were used? Approximately 6 to 10. They were placed. so that Shawn could see me in the escort. in the candle light. Later she says that.

there was a distinct smell during. freakoff. So perhaps that's why they. used the very strong candles. What does. that mean? Lots of just mixing of scents of body. scents, baby oil, but also later there's. blood and urine. And. besides lighting, were there any other. uses for candle wax? A couple of times. where it was poured on the body, but it. wasn't common. When you say poured on.

the body, whose body? My own or Sean's. And specifically, she even goes on to. mention that the candles, if they were. the glade ones, they were the angel. whisperers scent. And she says, if. anybody knows what that smells like, just like on 10, it was super pungent. and mixed with oil and just all of the. other scents. What other scents were. there? I mean, it was warm, so he liked. to keep it kind of warm in the hotel. room during the freakoffs. So, body. odor, you know. Side note, I did see.

another interview previously of Cassie. where she talks about being a. germaphobe. Do I have any phobias? I'm a. germaphobe. Don't shake my hand if you. didn't wash your. Yeah, and she does seem like very. squeamish every time she talks about. these incidents of like the. freakoffs. How was the baby oil used. during the freakoff? It was just it was. just as important as everything else. being there. We used it quite a bit. Can. you please describe what happened at the. initial first freakoff? Um, we took.

drugs. We had a conversation. Sean had a. conversation with the dancer. And then. shortly after he came down to the room. and performed and stood in the doorway. and danced for a little while I just. watched and while Shawn watched us. What. happened next? It was just a gradual I. would say every freakoff was like. directed by Shawn. Like he knew. specifically where he wanted everyone to. be, the lighting and such. So, the first. session we just kind of ended up getting. closer and closer, talking to each. other, and then eventually had to put. oil on each other. Yeah. You use the.

word session. What do you mean by. session? A session in a freakoff would. be like one full time um the escort. until basically they finished. Do you. recall how many sessions you had with. the first escort at the first freakoff? I believe we had at least two. After. this freakoff, how did you feel? Well, I. was high, so there wasn't too much. feeling. I think it was a mixture of. dirty and confusion. Like, okay, he's. really happy with me and I did something. right. So, just really confusing. I.

didn't know that what was going to. happen after that. I didn't know if we. were going to do to be doing it more. frequently because I was willing to. I I. didn't know. So, what if anything did. you tell Sean about how you felt about. the first freakoff? I honestly don't. remember. She said within weeks he asked. for another freak off. And she responded. in like the same kind of mixture of like. nervousness. Uh what am I going to do? But also I can't say no is the feeling. She says like I've already done it and I. ultimately said yes. Why did you feel. you couldn't say no? Just didn't want to.

make him upset. Yeah. I didn't want to. make him upset. I didn't want him to. make him angry and regret having told me. about this experience that was so. personal. I like his trust meant a lot. to me at that point. How frequently did. you have freakoffs? Was shot after they. started. After they started, it became. almost weekly, I would say. Who was in. charge of all the aspects of the. freakoffs? You mentioned the hiring, the. setup, etc. Eventually, it became a job. for me pretty much. Um, to where I just I knew if that it is.

something that he wanted to do, I had. the contacts to set it up and get a. hotel room and all of that. But in the. beginning, Sean set it up. He was in. charge. Where was it? Um, where was the. baby oil placed? We poured it all over our bodies. Had to. be glistening. Which participants in the. freak off, if any, used the baby oil? Everyone, what temperature was the baby. oil when it was poured on your body? It. was always heated. Um, like keep the cap. on it and put it in the sink with hot. water and let it warm up. Who wanted the.

baby oil to be heated? Sean, you. mentioned that the baby oil was used. because you had to be glistening. Who. told you that you needed to be. glistening? Sean, it was his preference. How frequently would baby oil be applied. to be glistening? Like every five. minutes. It was a lot. He would uh if he. felt like we were too dry, he would let. us know. What would he say? He would. say, "You're too dry. You need to put on. more oil or you need to be glistening. You need to be um you need to be. shining. Why did you know what to do? It.

was a very choreographed experience. Who. choreographed it?" Sean, during the. freakoffs, who applied boy oil to you? I. applied it to myself, sometimes Sean, sometimes the escort. How did you. usually apply baby oil? Um, you just. squirt it out of the bottle. Approximately how many bottles of baby. oil would be used in a typical freakoff? A lot. I would say definitely somewhere. close to 10. Now, yeah, side note, there.

were some evidence photos and they were. using, at least I'm assuming they were. using the larger bottle. She does. confirm it was the larger ones. 10. bottles is about like $80 per freak off, which I highly doubt Combmes is worried. about the price. But aside from that, that's a gallon of baby oil. 10 bottles. is a gallon. I mean, if you were to use. baby oil for typical baby care. applications, parents would probably go. through a gallon of baby oil in a year. Even a full body massage only requires. three fluid ounces of oil per session.

They're using 140 ounces. So that's like. 46 full body massages. Even if you were. to get a massage almost every week, you. could last almost a year with that much. baby oil. So it's basically a gallon. dumped in the middle of the room. Yeah. A hotel room. Yeah. And how do you even. clean baby oil? It doesn't even make. sense. Yeah. Now, obviously, this. doesn't cover the people who use it for. professional settings or for. extenduating circumstances. Typically. athletes will use a lot of baby oil, but. this is still an abnormally large amount.

of consumption of baby oil. But that. wouldn't that mean like all of these. hotels kind of know about this then? Because there were some tweets. circulating of employees at hotels that. were like, "Hey, so Diddy just stayed at. the hotel that I work at and I'm telling. you he's nasty." And like people didn't. really put two and two together because. it's like what does that even mean? And. like you kind of assume that celebrities. have wilder sex lives, quote unquote. Just to remind you though, authorities. said that they seized a thousand bottles.

of baby oil during the raid on his. homes. Like thousands of bottles, which. is exponentially more money, but aside. from the cost once more, it is an insane. quality. To which even before the trial, Agnil said he probably bought it in bulk. like a lot of Americans do at the local. Costco. I'm paraphrasing and I do think. that before the trial started I was like. sir what a crazy thing to say. I think. you're absolutely insane and you got a. few bolts loose right but now I'm like. yeah no Mark Agnifil would say something.

like that. He'd just be saying stuff and. him and Brian Steel I feel like they say. stuff and I believe that they believe. what they're saying like it's the. craziest thing. M it's like I feel like. you might genuinely believe that and. maybe I'm naive and I think maybe. they're just that good. Like they say it. with their full chest, but it's also. just like their whole demeanor. Anytime. that Mark Agnil is talking, he sounds. like the type that would be like I mean,

yeah, bulk buying does make sense. Like that's the vibe he gives me. So it. it it did get me a little bit confused. I mean, maybe that's they're just super. convincing and maybe that's why they're. getting paid. allegedly seven, eight figures to be on. the defense team. I don't know. Both of. them do have that teddy bear dad aura, which I'm saying this because I'm sure. the jurors are also receptive to the. attorney's vibes and energies inside. that courtroom, especially when you're. there all day, Monday through Friday.

Mhm. I mean like you can't avoid. people's like quirks and personalities. and sometimes charisma. Now I do think. interestingly enough Brian Steel and. Mark Agnif are more charming when the. jurors are not in the room really during. like the hearings. What does that mean? So they'll be talking to the judge about. even like debating that Cassie's husband. shouldn't be in the room, right? And I. don't think that action is charming, but. it's the way that they phrase things and. the way that they try to make jokes at.

certain times. Not jokes because. nothing's funny, but like there will be. an awkward moment and they'll kind of. lean into the awkward moment. So, it's. it's very interesting. I I'm trying I. I'm curious to see how it translates to. the jurors in the next seven weeks. Now, Prosecutor Johnson continues, "After a. freakoff, can you describe the condition. of the room where the freakoff was. held?" The room was usually pretty bad. off. There was oil all over the walls, the door handles, the bed, the sheets. We often would get to the room. I would. need to call and ask for extra linens.

and towels and stuff like that to try. and mitigate those problems. But oil, candle wax, all over the place. So, she. would ask for extra sheets and try to. cover the couch. M. But I mean, you're. not really a gallon of baby oil. You. described wax and oil damage. What else, if anything, was soiling the linens? Sometimes blood. Urine. So, starting. with blood, how would blood get on the. linens at freakoffs? I was expected to. have freakoffs on my period. Did you. want to have freakoffs on your period?

No. I I don't think anybody really wants. to do that. And you also mentioned. urine. How would urine get on the linens. at freakoffs? Sometimes Sean would have. um he himself he would have the escort. urinate on me. Sometimes there was so. much going on. I don't know how they got. soiled the way they did to be completely. honest. So, focusing on the urine, did. you want an escort or Shawn to urinate. on you? No. And before that happened, what if anything did you discuss about. being urinated on? There was no. conversation. It just was a turn on for. him. So, it happened. Can you please.

describe how it felt when this happened? I mean, just as humiliating if anybody. were there to see it. It was disgusting. It was too much. It was overwhelming. I. choked. There couldn't have been. anything on my face that was reading. that I wanted to be doing that. I was. kind of just laid on the floor in a. position that I couldn't easily get out. of. So, were you able to tell the escort. to stop? I just kind of put my hands up. and eventually Sean saw and he told them. to stop. Why did you put your hands up? Nothing I could really do laying on the.

floor. You mentioned choking. Why were. you. choking? Too much urine in my mouth. And. besides the escort urinating on you, who. else, if anyone did that? Shawn, did you. want Shawn to urinate on you? I don't want anyone to urinate on me. No. And when in relation to the escort. urinating on you, did Sean urinate on. you at the same time? Were there. freakoffs where you ran out of baby oil? Defense attorney Esto leans into the. microphone on the table. Objection, your.

honor. At this point, it's getting a. little cumulative. Aka, it's a lot of. repeating evidence that adds little. information beyond what's already being. established. They're saying like you. we're just doing too much baby oil. questions. Basically, you can't keep. repeating stuff to try and overemphasize. a point if you're not adding any more. information or substance to the case. Or. it's like if you have multiple expert. witnesses that are all testifying the. same thing over and over again, then you. don't need that many multiple expert. witnesses. The judge tells prosecutor. Johnson, "Let's wrap this up and move. on." You also mentioned astroglide. How.

was that used at freakoffs? Esto leans. in. Same objection. Irrelevant. Prosecutor Johnson this time is not. having it. Your honor, it's a supply. The judge calls for a sidebar. So, in. court, when there's a sidebar, the baiff. will actually come to like the middle of. the courtroom, and he will be watching. everyone. Like, no one's allowed to talk. because technically the judge is still. on the bench, right? And the you see the. defense attorneys, you see the. prosecutors, and you see the judge.

literally do a huddle on the side of the. courtroom, and they just play white. noise. But then when you get the. transcripts, you can actually see what. was talked about, unless it's a sealed. sidebar. So, I always find like a very. interesting thing because when it's a. sidebar, it's like, "Wait, why did they. call a sidebar? Now I'm so curious." And. then later you find out. Now, at this. moment in the sidebar, the judge is. asking prosecutor Johnson, "Miss. Johnson, maybe you can help us with. where we're going right now. I think the. objection is grounded in lack of. relevance and also the cumulative nature. of the questioning. Am I right about. that?" Esteeo says, "That's right." The.

judge says, "Maybe if you can give us. some guidance as to where you're going. next, that would be helpful." Yes, your. honor. We are going through the various. supplies that were used because those. are supplies that were demanded by the. defendant that were at every freakoff. that were consistent which showed a. pattern which showed how he controlled. the events that happened at these. freakoffs. I will not ask any more oil. questions. I have one question on. lubricant but I'm going to march through. with different supplies that were. present. That's fine. The judge is like. that's fine. I understood the objection. to be mainly on the cumulative nature on.

this. I think we had about 20 questions. on baby oil issues and I think we can. condense that a little bit and you'll. avoid the objection. Is that fair? How. long was this baby oil talk? Was it like. an hour or two hours? Um, was it like did did it feel like it. was extended that I didn't and maybe. because the baby oil was a very big lore. and maybe it's not the most factual. evidence against the charges that he's. being charged with. I thought it was I.

thought the jurors were engaged. Oh, you. thought the jurors were engaged? Yeah, I. thought that it was I don't know if it's. like importance to the case or maybe. it's. you know shocking information. Got it. But it didn't feel overly like. oh my god let's move on. There were. other times where I was like oh my. goodness like we don't need to know the. past 10 residences in which she lived.

unless you're going to like tie it into. something which I felt like sometimes it. was and a lot of the times it wasn't. But this was not one of those situations. where I was like, "Wait, what's. happening?" Yeah. Yeah. But to which. Mark Agno, lead defense council, says, "I was going to say slippery slope, but. I'm not going to say it." So, he's. making a joke. Yeah. And that's how they. end the sidebar. Which is like gnarly. because to end the sidebar with a baby. oil joke. What is happening right now? Which if you're like, "Are you sure that.

was a lot of questions on the baby oil?". There were a lot of questions on the. baby oil. I will give you that. Okay. So, there were more throughout the. entire direct. Were there other ways of. applying baby oil at a freakoff? There. was one time where I think I got to a. hotel in Beverly Hills and there was a. pool, like a blowup pool, and it was. filled with lube and oil. So, that was a. different way. When there was a blowup. pool that was filled with lube and oil, what did you do with the pool? I don't. know what happened to the pool, honestly. Well, when there was that pool. and oil, did you get into that pool? I.

did with my outfit, my shoes. It was. quite dangerous. Who if anyone asked you. to get into the pool, Sean? It was his. idea. Did you want to get into a pool of. baby oil? No. Especially not in a hotel. room like that. It was such a mess. It. was like, "What are we doing?" Yeah. Why. did you get into the pool with baby oil? At that point, I couldn't say no. It. would have been bad. Yeah. I don't Yeah. When you say bad, what do you mean? What. concerns did you have about not getting. into the pool with baby oil? that.

amongst other things, just his temper. If that is something that he wanted, Sean wanted to happen, that's what's. going to happen. There wasn't any other. way around it. And now with the. Astroglide and baby oil, Cassie explains. that if they ran out of it, what would. happen when you ran out of it? We would. either call somebody staff to bring it. or ask the bell desk and give them a. tip. When you say staff, what staff are. you talking about? Sean's staff. Which. members of Shaun's staff would resupply. the hotel rooms? assistance usually.

Before leaving the hotel, what if. anything did you do to clean up the. linens you described? I mean, there. wasn't really too much you could do, but. just give a good tip and hope that they. would help out. I would just try to. clean up what I could. Usually, like an. assistant or staff or somebody would. come, I believe after she says that in. fact sometimes they would get so many. charges for the damage in the room, which completely understandable that the. hotels would do that. She says that she. heard through conversations with some of. Combmes's staff members and she doesn't. remember the exact number, but there. have been numbers circulating tens of. thousands of dollars. Yeah, cuz I.

imagine they have to like rip up the. carpet, replace things, the furniture. and the walls. Yeah. I remember. specifically hearing like a number that. was crazy. It was having to redecorate. the room. It was like a really high. number to fix it. That's so interesting. Like even with that, he still choose to. go to hotels. Yeah. In a public, not. public, but like a rather than his. residents cuz I guess they're bringing. escorts, right? Right. Are you aware. which hotel charged that really high.

number? The Intercontinental Hotel in. New York. Which, side note, Cassie says. once the freakoffs became her job, Combmes would just tell her what to do. And pretty quickly over time, she says, "I knew that it wasn't something that I. wanted to be doing, especially as. regularly as it became, but again, I was. just in love and I wanted to make him. happy. And I didn't really know what no would. like what no could turn. into. What do you mean by that? Making. him angry very honestly. Also making him.

uncomfortable that I knew this thing and. that I no longer wanted to do it. Ultimately at that point Sean controlled. a lot of my life whether it was my. career, the way I dressed, like. everything. Everything. And I just. didn't feel like I had much say in it at. that time being like super really young, naive, total people pleaser. I didn't. know if he would be upset enough to be. violent or if he would write me off and. just not want to be with me at all. Eventually, Cassie says there's the. element that she was scared that there. was also so much blackmail material. She. basically felt like, quote, "If I didn't.

do it, that it would be hung over my. head in that way or that these things. would become public." Which, from my. angle and perception, it looks like. Combmes is shaking his head lightly, which I feel like he does this often. when he wants to either show the jury. that he doesn't believe what she's. saying, or a strong like, "No, this. isn't what happened." It's like a very. like, "No, why would she say that? H. like, no, I disagree. This is crazy that. she's saying that." He doesn't do that. when it's discussing violence or even.

parts of the freakoffs itself. That. that's what's very interesting. It's. always like moments like this blackmail. Yeah. And then there was another point. which um it's like the same slightly. similar questions. So I didn't include. it because I mean the direct examination. was over the span of 2 days. It's over. 10 hours. But in one point she says like. he has a lot of resources and like he. was just shaking his head. know h I. wonder if it has because it's so related.

to the RICO charge and trafficking maybe. blackmail and so he's just shaking his. head lightly and she says initially that. these videos were recorded on like small. tape fil cameras and then eventually it. morphed into iPhones, iPads, computers. They were recorded on both Cassie and. Combmes's devices which sometimes they. would later watch the videos together. Cassie says, "Um, I would watch them. with Shawn afterwards when we usually. when we were having intimate relations,

but I also if I saw them and I was on my. own, I was deleting them." She says if. she sees a video on her phone, she's. erasing it. I mean, she's asked, "Why. did you delete the video that you found. on your. devices?" It's humiliating, disgusting. I never wanted anyone to see me like. that. It just was not okay for me. And I. felt like it was just tossed around. like the idea of it was tossed around. like it was nothing, like objectifying. me and putting me in these really. compromising, gross positions with. strangers that I just She says that she.

would frequently ask Holmes to delete. the videos on his devices, especially. because so many assistants staff members. just constantly have access to his phone. and his computer, but he would just. threaten to blackmail her with them. whenever he was upset about something. She says, quote, "He just wanted to hurt. me." How frequently did he bring up the. freakoff videos to you? I mean, once is. too much, but several times. Cassie says. that she was so scared that he would be. mad enough to put them out and then I. would have to answer to my mother. Like,

I just feared for my career. I feared. for my family. Just embarrassing all of. it. It's horrible and disgusting. Like, no one should do that to anyone. It. could ruin everything that I worked for. Just make me look like a [ __ ] I I would. be shamed. like I wasn't I wasn't. supposed to be on those videos. She's. saying like she didn't even want to be. there. I mean, the leverage of having an. incriminating or derogatory, humiliating. video of someone telling them they're. going to release it if you don't behave. the way that they they want you to or.

whatever the case may be. It was just. always like that. Like that that was a. big part of our relationship. She says, for example, they went to Khan Film. Festival, and this was in her lawsuit, but on their flight back home, it was a. commercial flight where there's a lot of. other people nearby. Combmes was clearly. upset with her of a fight that they had. in con. He pulls up his laptop and. starts playing a video. It's a video. that she thought she deleted of a. freakoff. Oh, yeah. And he essentially, I mean, it's insinuated that he forced.

her to watch it the entire way. back. She said, "When they landed in New. York, they ended up going to dinner and. they had a freak off." She said, "Honestly, at that point, whatever was. going to make him not be angry at me and. threatening me, I was willing to do.". Yeah. I just didn't want to feel scared. anymore. And one thing, he made me feel. like it was something I was good at. That was on top of the fact that he was. violent with her. Like the violence was. always in the back of her mind. Interestingly, she testifies that the. conversation about freakoffs happens.

around the same time that the. relationship starts getting violent. So, it's relatively close together. She's. asked, "Why did you agree to a. freakoff?" And, okay, this is where I do. think that Cassie is trying really hard. to be honest because there are moments. like this where she's so candid and she. just says, "That's a great. question. I wanted to make him happy. I. was in a really significantly mature. relationship that I don't think I was. prepared for now when I look at it. But.

yeah, I loved him. I didn't want him to. think that I thought anything bad of him. for it. I just wanted to make him. happy. She says that the best thing that. she could do basically was just try to. disassociate during the freakoffs. I. just felt like it was all I was good for. to him. I just felt pretty horrible. about myself. I felt disgusting. I was. humiliated. I didn't have those words to. like put together at the time like how. horrible I really felt and I didn't I. couldn't talk to anyone about it. So, so. she had to use drugs during every freak.

off to disassociate and numb herself. She said it would be a range of ecstasy, marijuana, ketamine, GHB, sometimes. mushrooms, just whatever there was later. cocaine. And it was always Shawn. providing the drugs at the freakoffs. And prosecutor Johnson brings it back to. the urination because I think there were. maybe some things that were a little bit. confusing about it and she's asking like. why didn't you say anything when you. didn't want to be urinated on? She says. I mean in that moment I was squeamish. immediately and high. And in the moment.

with this man I mean that that's what. happened. That's not a whole lot of. control you have at that point of taking. that many drugs and being laid on the. floor with two men standing over you. peeing on you. could have gotten up and. screamed, I guess. Why didn't you say no. when that happened? I thought that it. was obvious that I didn't want to do it, I guess. She's asked, "How much time out. of your week did freak offs take?" It. would depend on how long they were. They. ranged anywhere between 36, 48 to 72.

hours. I feel like the longest one was. ever was over 4 days, maybe even more, like on and off with breaks. So, it was. a significant part of the week. 36 being. the lowest. Yeah. And this was happening. once a week. She says that the average. freakoff would last two to three days. and she would be awake the full time. that it's happening on drugs. The. longest one that she remembers was 4. days. She says, quote, "I often would. try to speed it up if anyone wasn't. really paying attention." So, to further.

break down the freakoffs, Cassie. explains, "There's like acts to it, and. each one of them is sessions. So each. time that an escort ejaculates is a. session, but there's multiple sessions. throughout the span of 36 to 72 hours, but there's acts within the sessions. So. the first act of the session would be. self-pleasuring while looking at each. other. This is what she's saying. When. you say looking at each other, who would. you be looking at? I would be looking at. the escort and they would be looking at. me. Um, I would describe what I saw in.

detail and yeah, that's kind of how the. beginning went. Why would you describe. what you saw in detail? That's what. turned Sean on. That was his fantasy. So, yeah. How did you feel about. describing what you were doing in the. masturbation step of the session? I. mean, it was just always pretty awkward. Um, I I'm a pretty laid-back person, so. like sitting there and describing. somebody's piece to another male was. just awkward and pretty humiliating, but. eventually it just became normal. Did. you want to be describing what you were. doing intimately? No, I did not. What.

was the next step in the session? self-pleasure was just continued uh to. put oil on eventually get to each other. the escort and I and actually start. touching each other um that would. eventually lead to oral activities. When. you move to touching the escort, how. would you know when to move from. self-pleasuring to touching the escort? More often than not, I would ask if it's. okay for me to ask Sean. It it was his. fantasy. He was controlling the whole.

situation. He was directing it. He was. doing the lighting. He was telling us. where to be, what to say, how to act in. the room. I would just try to speed the. process along. It was personally if I. get it done, then it's over and then we. move on to the next thing. And I just. wanted it to be over. And after the oral. intimacy, what typically was the next. step that would lead to um intercourse. And depending on the familiarity with. the escort, sometimes Sean and the. escort would both um have intimate. relations with me or doing something at. the same time, sometimes Shawn would.

just watch. When you say that he'd be. doing something with you at the same. time, what is that something? If I was. having intercourse with an escort, um, he would walk up and have me give him. oral activities, it was just like a lot. happening at once. Cassie also in a now. viral moment is asked about when the. escorts would finish. Usually, they. would finish like wherever Shawn. instructs and when it was okay for them. per Shawn. But if they did, they would.

usually do it on her and then her and. Shawn would go into the next room. So, usually they get hotel suite. So, I'm. assuming all of this is happening in the. living room cuz they're covering the. couch with the linen. They would go into. the bedroom inside the hotel suite. And. this is the now viral moment where she. says, "Sean and I would go into the next. room and he would want me to put the. fluid on his body." Shawn was usually. right there directing it where it could. be. So she states they go in there and. she would transfer the substance from. her body to quote usually on his chest.

on his. nipples. She says that if the escorts. would finish before they were told, they. would get paid less. And she's also. asked, "When you say you wanted it to be. over, what are you referring to? The. freakoff session? I more often than not. would just want to be able to go to the. other room where I could just spend time. alone with Shawn." When you say get to. the other room where you could spend. time alone, who was in the room where. you were spending time alone? Just me. and Sean. And the individual stages that.

you described, how long typically did. each of those stages last? Felt like. forever. One thing could be hours. Honestly, depending on how high we were. Yeah. How would Sean react when you try. to speed up the process? Uh, he would. tell me to slow it down or tell both me. and the escort to slow it down. I could. often like if I left the room to use the. bathroom, I could hear Sean telling the. escort to slow it all down because I. usually just wanted to hurry. Besides. asking you to slow it down, were there. occasions where you had to start a stage.

over if you move too quickly? Yeah, we. would go back to square one. Approximately how many sessions would. you have with one escort during a. freakoff? I would say at least two or. three, but a freakoff could be three to. four different men. And when more than. one escort was present, how did the. intimacy proceed? Just like it was very. like porn, like explicit materials, it. was just like I was an object being. heavily objectified by men in that. scenario. Just having to be the only.

female in the room like with all the. sexual stuff. It just having to. entertain one more person. Make sure one. more person is satisfied. Yeah. During these sessions, where was. Sean physically relative to you and the. escort? If he wasn't involved, he would. just be like outside the room, kind of. covered up, not seeing. You could just. hear his voice or in the corner. If he. was involved, he would be right next to. us. If Sean was in the corner of the. room, what was he generally doing there? He was generally self-pleasuring and. just talking. What kinds of things did. he say? He would just ask me how the.

other party's private part felt, like, what it looked like, how it felt. This. is so. awkward. She says that. H sometimes if he wasn't in the room, he. would quote there was like a couple of. occasions where he said he wanted to. watch from a different room where he. would set up like my phone and his phone. would be on FaceTime so he could watch. while he wasn't like present in the. actual room. So I was still expected to. do the same thing even though he wasn't.

there. She says that if he actually left. though and they weren't on FaceTime, everything would stop. She's like I. don't want to do this. Like let I like. get off of me basically. So, it's like. clear it's a performance for him. Yeah. It's not something that continues if. she's like, "Oh, if he's not watching, no." Like, "I don't want to be doing. this." She also is like stating, "I've. never reached out to any of these. escorts without Shawn and like his. guidance." Basically, like I've never. tried to form relationships with them. I've never tried to meet them alone.

Like, nothing. Also, there was another. issue during freakoffs. What difficulty, if any, did escorts have in getting or. maintaining stimulated down there? It's. actually pretty frequent with people. that we didn't know well. Yeah. And they. would express it like it's like every. time Shawn would talk, it would just. throw them off or if he moved a candle. or, you know, it's distracting, I guess. What did Shawn do when escorts were. having trouble with maintaining. stimulation down there? Um, he would. give them a pep talk.

A pep talk? What does that mean? Like, you got this? Yeah. Were there any. occasions where the Sean offered the. escorts drugs like Viagra? Yes. She also. states that he pressured her to take it. and it made her feel quote sensitive and. engorged. She states that she did not. want to take it. And there was just a. lot of things that she really hated. doing that she was mentioning, especially kissing. So, witness 2 said. the same thing. She said, "I was really. against kissing. I just felt like it was. too intimate, but it still happened. anyway." like she told Shawn, she says.

that it made her squeamish and he would. still request it on different occasions. The only part of the freakoffs that she. enjoyed are the times that she could. spend with him. And I think that this is. where the direct examination keeps. bringing in text messages to show like. there are times where she initiates a. freakoff. And she's trying to explain. the only reason I initiated a freakoff. is so that I could spend time with him. alone. It was the only way that he would. spend time with me alone. She says, "As. sad as it was, I thought like it was the.

only time I could get." She said, "I. definitely brought up not wanting to do. freakoffs, but gently because I didn't. want to make him upset or angry with me. for even sharing it, but I just treaded. lightly when I would bring it up. Sometimes I would email him about it. like I didn't want to. I just didn't. want anything to happen." When you say. he didn't want anything bad to happen, what do you mean by. that? Violent, but also him just being. like, "Okay, well, I'll just find. somebody else to do it with." Like, you. know, when you really care about. somebody and you're in love with them, you don't want to disappoint them. So,

she keeps bringing this up throughout. like the 10 hours. She just keeps saying. she never wanted him to feel embarrassed. or like made fun of or insecure about. his fantasies. Yeah. Yeah. Which is interesting because. witness 2 also testified he didn't like. being looked in the eye. M. So, it seems. like I don't know. There's like lots of. a lot of people have been. psychoanalyzing some of the stuff. I. don't think I'm qualified, but I will. say it's probably very complicated. Some.

people are even speculating if there. were any sort of childhood incidents. that would have led to this. I've seen a. lot of that online. I truly don't know. I don't know if any of that is going to. be revealed during the next 7 weeks, but. it is very interesting. I would say as a. result of freakoffs, what if any medical. issues did you experience? I had a lot. of stomach issues and like. gastrointestinal issues from taking. drugs. I also would get frequent UTI. which are I mean if you had one you know. how painful it is. Just stopping you.

there Miss Ventura. What does UTI stand. for? Urinary tract infection. So how. frequently did you get these UTI? When. we were having frequent freakoffs it was. sometimes like they were back to back. Sometimes I couldn't get rid of it and I. was actually doing the freakoff with an. infection. She says it was very painful. It varied. I try to flush it out. Just. drink tons of water, cranberry juice, cranberry pills. I got to the point. where Cro I I think it's like an. antibacterial medicine that you take for. UTI. It didn't even work anymore. Yeah.

It just like a mess. Like really painful. for a long time. I I actually can't. believe that I actually dealt with that. How did you feel to have sex while you. had a UTI? I mean, horrible. It's the. most uncomfortable burning. I wouldn't. advise it. There's text messages entered. into evidence where Combmes is asking. Cassie about her vocals, and she says, "They're good. I have all these sores on. my tongue, so it's kind of. uncomfortable, and I think I have. another UTI. How's your day?" Cassie.

explains her text to the jury. She says, "Occasionally, I would get sores on my. tongue from the freakoffs, the taking. drugs, substances, and just friction in. my mouth." What What was the friction in. your mouth from? From oral activities. Also having my mouth on things where. there was oil and astroglide and. lubricants. How did the mouth sores you. would get feel? Just stinging and. uncomfortable. Combmes text Cassie back. I'm good. Need you to go to the dock.

How's Cassie's like energy or demeanor. during this whole or most of this? I. don't know how she did it. I don't know. how she did it. I mean, I saw my sister. when she was pregnant twice. The amount. of just emotional turmoil she was in on. a daily basis because it's just science. Like, that's how the brain chemistry and. like all these chemicals work inside the. body, the hormones. She I think I don't.

know how she did it. Her voice was. steady. She didn't sound like she's. overly trying to get sympathy. She. didn't sound like wo is me. She didn't. sound angry. She just sounded like I'm. about to tell you guys genuinely how I. felt and that's all I can do at this. point. Like that's the feeling I got. It. didn't even feel like she was trying to. convince the jury of one thing or. another. It just felt like I am going to.

answer the questions as honestly as. possible. Mhm. And there would be. moments where she would be asked a. question and she would be she would. start her answer and then she would say, "I'm sorry, could you um repeat the. question?" And so I heard some people. saying maybe it's pregnancy brain, right? But when I was watching her. answering a lot of these questions, it. felt like she in certain questions maybe. went back to that time period and then I.

don't know if maybe she's having. flashbacks. I mean, physically she. doesn't look like, "Oh my god, I'm so. traumatized," but it just it just was. interesting. Like, it seemed like she. was in the moment. There were also other. times where I don't know why this like. made me so sad. She was talking about. the Intercontinental Hotel and just how. Sean was dragging her. The way she. describes it is so emotionless and very. like it is what it is. Like, he was just. dragging me and kicking me. Yeah. like.

it's very like it is what it is. That is. what happened. I would say there's a lot. of times throughout where her voice. shakes or she grabs a tissue, but. there's twice when she gets very. emotional. One is in the direct and one. is actually in the cross or like the. redirect. But she said I had PTSD. episodes. I know Sean was concerned that. I was having seizures um sleepwalking. quite a bit. My body was in my mind my. body was telling me that I needed to. just chill out. A text message thread.

from June 15, 2013 is entered into. evidence. In it, Cassie text Combmes, "Your sex makes me high." No, like. literally. I feel like I took a. painkiller, lol. During your. relationship with Shawn, who did you. want to have intimate relations with? I. wanted to have intimate relations with. him. Did you want to have intimate. relations with escorts? No. But after. that, Combmes responds back in the text. Dope. I was thinking about a freakoff, but I need to be. focused. She responds, "Lol, I've been. thinking about one, too. We were pretty.

focused last time. Just has to be the. right people or person." She says that. this just was the normal way to respond. when he brings up freakoffs. She never. wanted him to think that she didn't want. to do it. Approximately how many. freakoffs in total did you have with. Shawn? It's impossible to know. Hundreds. She says that yeah, the violence, the. blackmail is also scary, but she just. desperately wanted to be loved by him. She says her voice is relatively the. same throughout the direct, like I said, but maybe it's the word that she uses,

and I don't know if maybe I just like. relate to it for some odd reason. She. said, "I really fell in love with him. I. traveled with him everywhere. I was in. the studio. I was just like a little. shadow." Cassie says, "Immediately on. dating, Combmes just starts ripping into. her appearance. She says he would say. anything from I look too Mexican with my. hair like that to I needed to have my. nails done a certain way. I mean he. would clown my chip nail polish and. dirty sneakers. That was like a thing. But appearance was very important to. him. My. appearance it, you know, it varied on.

what he wanted me to dress like. depending on what was going on. Some. days he would want me to be really sexy. and be his woman and then other days, you know, I could be on my tomboy looks. and stuff like that. But he was very. involved in it. You mentioned your nails. earlier. How did Seawn say he wanted. your nails to look? He preferred them to. be white. So, I know some of you guys. didn't get the context when I said um. Tenny Gargo, the lead defense attorney, had white nail polish on. And I do think. that Nicole West Morland, if I'm not.

mistaken, either it's like a baby baby. pink or it's white. They've got white. nail polish. She says he preferred them. being white from the beginning of our. relationship. They just always had to be. done for sure. But specifically during. the freakoffs like white or French tip. in the lawsuit, she states that the. white she he liked the contrast from. usually the black male body parts. What. else, if anything, did Sean say he. wanted you to do with your physical. appearance? I mean, we had discussions.

about breast implants and just tons of. conversations about my body. there'd be. comments about working out or just like. keeping my shape a certain way when. there wasn't there wasn't much there to. begin with. So, with her 10 album deal. with Bad Boy Records, Cassie says, and. this is clearly verifiable, she only. releases one album, and even from a. public perspective, her career, she was. on a high with Me and You, and then she. gets signed with Bad Boy Records. She. says it feels intentional. She feels. like every day she was just doing busy. work. Work that would keep her in the.

studio. She's making hundreds of songs. none of them are getting released. It's. like he's stalling her career. He's. making her full-time job freakoffs. She's saying music wouldn't come out, but also I would get a lot of. opportunities that I would come through. that I just would I was told not to. participate in. Be it a modeling. campaign, which was something that I. actually did before music or a runway. show. Those are things I just had to say. no to. And Sean advised her to say no. So, this is just stalling her entire. career. I mean, she's even asked very.

candidly in the direct, "Why did you not. release another album during this time?". And she just leans into the mic and she. goes, "You're asking me?" Cassie. testifies one of Combmes's managers, who. is also managing her, told her that he's. managing her with one hand tied behind. his back. The manager couldn't do. anything about it. Yeah. So, her whole. life is just preparing for a freakoff. doing her nails, getting a wax, getting. a tan, getting all the supplies, the. baby oil, getting the hotel, finding the. escort, making that sure that Sean.

approves them, then participating in the. freakoff, and then recovering from the. freak off. I mean, that's a whole week. And this lasted like more than a decade. Yeah. And there are public figures. that's actually being seen all the time, but nobody knew for a decade. There were. actually like gossip columns that called. her a gold digger. They they made it. seem like, oh, she was a aspiring. musician, got with a billionaire, and. then is now just living the good. life. She said emotionally after the.

freakoff, she would just feel really. gross and really empty. And so, she. would just take lots of opioids because, quote, I didn't want to feel what was. actually going on in my mind in my real. life in real time. It was just an escape. for me. And it's just crazy that she's. on the stand testifying and there would. be, like I said, Combmes would have. different reactions. Sometimes he's like. glasses on staring at the evidence. screen. Sometimes he's like jotting down. like he's doing math homework. Sometimes. he's just stoic like a statue, leaned.

back, watching her. Other times he's. turning around and mouthing to his mom, I love you. Which, side note, Janice. Combmes has an intense vibe. Like I said. earlier, she's tiny, terrifying. But the. whole time that Cassie is testifying, or. a good chunk of it, she's leaned. forward, elbows on her knees, intently. staring at Cassie, listening to every. word. And you know, a lot of I heard a. lot of public say like, I'm just saying. my mom, no matter how much she supports. me, I don't think she could hear stuff.

like that. She I she would be crying. She would something would happen. She. can't just be like staring down the. person on the stand. Mhm. Cassie talks about how even on her. birthday, he forced her into a freakoff, which she really begged not to, but it. didn't. work. And then there were other things. that he forced her to do. There is about. 10 minutes from the Las Vegas strip, there's a very distinct green hued. building in a strip mall. It looks like. it could be a PetSmart, but it's green,

emerald green. It looks like an arcade. It's 18,000 ft². Once you walk in, there's like a menu board. Sunday. through Thursday. Couples $70. Weekends. $80. Single males $92 to $120. Single. females. $26. No open toed shoes, no athletic. wear, you must be 18 to enter. Once you. get inside, there's like a few. interesting rooms. The most interesting. being called the shadow room where you. just see silhouettes of people moving. and doing things. It is one of the older, more well-known.

sex clubs in Las Vegas called The Green. Door. Cassie testifies that she was. taken to these sex clubs and sometimes. they would bring escorts and he would. also watch at these clubs and she just. did not want to be there at all. Oh, and. then another point that I thought was. important was this is what I mean by I. feel like she's candid. Like I feel like. she's trying to be very honest. There's. this point where she talks about how one.

of the escorts, Jules, comes to the club. with them and she's asked, "Did you want. to have intimate relations with Jules?". And she said, "No, no, not at the club. No, no. Did you want to have intimate. relations with Jules ever?" And she. goes, "No, no." And like her laugh is. kind of confusing at first, but then she. explains, "Jules like within all of it. was like a safe place. I saw him a lot. We actually had our own friendship. So. being able to have intimate relations. with Jules instead of somebody at the. club was it was better than somebody I.

didn't know if that makes sense. But I. think the way like she even answers no. It's like when you talk about your best. guy friend it's like oh no no no like. whoa. It's like oh gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it seems like she's like. feeling a lot of the questions being. asked instead of being like no. Yeah. And everything she said like makes. sense, right? Like I think if you have. some more understanding of how these. type of situation works, you can see how. and why this happened. Yeah. I think.

it's just complicated because there's so. many elements. I think it's like. everything is a building block. It's the. age gap. It's when they met, it's the. power dynamic. It's like everything is a. building block. And when you only take. out one building block and say, "Hey, look." It's like obviously, and I was. even thinking like she started, you. know, they met 19 and then the free call. started when she was 22 and then every. single time she was completely drugged. up for days on end. Yes. Just the drugs.

alone for days on end at that young age. for that many years is already changing. everything in her brain chemistry. Yeah. So just that alone you cannot say that. she is a person that can you know make. decisions on her free own will right. like it's it's just I did see some. comments um echoing that sentiment I saw. a lot of people on Reddit talking about. technically they believe right and it's.

not really up to us it's up to the. jurors but they believe that's like a. good point for sex trafficking because a. lot of sex traffickers will actually get. their victims addicted to drugs and make. them feel like they need to take these. these drugs so that they can get through. the forced work if you the trafficking. if they will if you will. So I I think. the drugs do play a big element into it. I just again we're not the ones it's the. jurors. She recounts the first time that. he was ever violent with her. They were. at a party. They were at.

this dinner with a lot of other people. and she had seen him flirting with. somebody. And there was another person. that looked at Cassie and was like, "Oh, like they saw that she saw it and she. just shrugged her shoulders like. whatever because what is she supposed to. do?" And when they get into the car, she. says, "He knocked me around and was just. really mean." His security driver was in. the car, too. But quote, "He hit me in. the side of my head and I fell to the. floor of the car. We were in his. escalade. Just shook me up and scared me.

quite a bit to the point where I was. just trying to get out of the car. I was. just shocked. I didn't necessarily. understand what happened and why he was. so angry except for the little bit he. was he said he was like hitting me in. the car and I don't know I just hid out. at home after that. She also does. recount there was a time that she did. fight back. They were at an Ace of. Diamonds club and she remembers that. they were leaving. She had been talking. to a producer about music. He called her. a [ __ ] or a [ __ ] or something. They get. in the car and she punched him in the.

face. She had never hit him before. She. said she punched him in the face. And. she said she punched him as hard as she. could punch him. Basically, what was. Sean's response after you hit him? His. whole demeanor just switched over. I. remember his eyes went black. It was. just like we were in an escalade, but. the two sitting in the middle of the two. seats that are separate from each other. with the windows down and we had a. friend kind of like following us back to. the house. So, all of that went down. with the windows down. And I punched. him. He attacked me and I was like. basically underneath the back seat in. the escalade just trying to cover my.

face. And Sean was stomping on my face. with his foot. How long did Seawn stomp. on your face with his foot? The ride. back to the house was short, but I mean, the whole ride was a fight until we got. there. Probably like a 10-minute up the. hill from the party. It was just me. trying to defend myself and cover myself. up. I was just being I mean, I never. experienced anything like that before, like getting that badly beaten. And for. her to say that after the. Intercontinental Hotel, like to say like. she never had been that badly beaten and. we don't.

know. She says, "When they finally get. to Sean's house, I just took off. running. I started running down the. street, but security catches up to her, brings her back to the house, and she. looked in the mirror and she said she. didn't even recognize herself. Knots, bleeding, everything was swollen." She. said, "I just looked horrible." And then. shortly after, Sean came in and he saw. me. I think I was vomiting when he came. in and he kind of like that person was. now gone and it switched over like. freaking out of sight and he basically. said I had to sneak out of the house out. of the back with the security and go to.

a hotel and just stay there to recover. Oh, that was the hiding in hotel. incident. Yeah. The government also. brings up another exhibit which shows. Cassie's eyebrow being completely I mean. it's a pretty bad wound. The cut looks. pretty deep with shades of pink. So, it's like pinky flesh, like different. shades of pink. Wait, what do you mean? A picture of a closeup to of her. eyebrow. And there's like maybe um. um Is this like a never seen before. photo from Yes. Yes. This is like so.

oddly specific, you know, like the USBC, the silver part, so not the actual like. plugin, just the metal part that you. stick into your iPhone. Yes. It's like a. little bigger than that. M. And it's. there's like pink flesh and it's like. slightly different colors of pink and. then in the middle it's almost like. black. So it's a very deep wound and it. looks bad and it's deep enough that she. went to a plastic surgeon's office in. Beverly Hills to suture it and it's just. evidence of one of the many violent. fights that she had to endure during all.

of this. There were other times they. were supposed to go to Canada. She was. not packing. She had fallen asleep and. then he basically threw her and she hit. her head on the bed frame. And when that. picture is shown, Alex Fine, Cassy's. husband, is looking and staring at the. Combmes family. And it's like I I think. I would feel the same way of like look. at the picture. Like look at what he. did. Like I want you to I would imagine. it would be like look at what he did and. I want to see if this is normal to you. I would want to know their reaction of. like if you have no reaction, is it.

because this happens all the time? Is. this what you guys are just used to? But. what's crazy is that I looked over and. it wasn't a member of the Combs family, but it was a friend of the Combmes. And. he's like asleep. I mean like full I'm. talking like REM sleep, like head on the. table type of sleep. Yeah. He has like. his elbow on the ledge of the pew and. like his face is resting on his hand and. his eyes are his eyes are closed and he. was dozing off and so I I just imagine. if Alex Fine is looking at that. I mean,

yeah. I just imagine that's a lot of. emotions. Cassie sends a picture of her. eyebrow to Combs in a text message, which is also entered into the exhibit, but he responds, "You don't know when to. stop. You have pushed it too far and. continue to push." Sad. Cassie responds, "Just say sorry. Have some sympathy. I. came in saying sorry, and I didn't even. know why I deserved that. You could care. less if I was okay." She still has a. permanent scar on her face from that, and she covers it with makeup. How many.

times has Shawn been violent with you. before? Who knows? And clearly security. for all these people working for. Combmes, according to Cassie, they knew. She says Drock, one of the security. guys, he cried once when he saw her with. a giant golf ballsized knot on her. forehead and black eyes. Cassie says. Sean Combmes even held one of her. friends off of her 17th floor balcony. Just like held her over the balcony. She. says she saw it and said, "I saw him. bring her back over the railing of the. balcony and then throw her onto the. patio furniture." Even Carrie Morgan,

who is Cassie's best friend of 17 years, well was they got into an. altercation. Sean Combmes allegedly hit. Carrie Morgan on the head with a wooden. hanger and Carrie Morgan and Cassie had. a falling out because of that. And so. it's just like Cassie is testifying that. everything in her life is controlled by. him. He would rent her homes near his. home. They would barge in anytime she's. not answering the phone. It was just. everything. If he was upset with her, he. would take away her car. He would take. away her jewelry, her gifts, which she.

doesn't even care about. She said it was. just very random. But the worst thing. that he took away was quote my. self-confidence. I mean, just physical. things or physical things. But at that. point, to me, the physical things didn't. really matter. I really just wanted his. approval. She said, "I mean, the. greatest and most complicated and. greatest examples are the abuse because. like I also felt at certain times when I. knew that it wasn't even about me." And. yeah, like make the wrong face and the. next thing I knew I was getting hit in. the face. It was like, you know, if I.

wasn't smiling at him the way he wanted, if I just looked a certain way that he. didn't like, maybe I was a brat or. something, like he would let me know I. need to fix my face or watch my mouth. That was like those were the things that. were said in our relationship quite. often. Fix your face. Watch your mouth. or you have a slick mouth. Now, there. was another um exhibit that was entered. in by the government, which is a text. message between Shan Combmes and Cassie, where he says, "He's just asking for. another freak off." And Cassie responds, "That is all we do, and I'm just getting.

back on track. I'm sure you can call Kim. or something." Oh, Kim Porter. Yeah. So, that was um a moment where I feel like. there was a lot insinuated, but not a. lot proven or explained. Uh-huh. Oh, they didn't dive more into it. Mhm. She. said, "I'm sure you can call Kim or. something and we don't know what Sean. said." Okay. I mean, I think he just. bypassed it. But it like I'm saying, um, there was not a lot confirmed in the. sense of like, okay, there were.

allegations by certain bodyguards and. people that were speaking out to the. media that were inside sources and close. sources of the Combmes family and team. and they had mentioned that perhaps Kim. was also part whether willing or. unwilling to these activities. So that. text message was interesting. But. eventually August of 2018, the two. finally do break up. Cassie just. couldn't do it anymore and they finally. have a closure dinner in Malibu. Cassie.

was already seeing her husband at the. time, Alex. Um they were no longer. dating, her and Shawn. This was just. closure and it was nice. She said he was. just being really nice, playful, laughing, kind of romantic vibes, sort. of, but we were just normal, laughing. It ended with him bringing me home and. yeah, that was it. We went. inside, went in the living room. He came. in pretty usual, nothing weird. And um. and. then and then he raped me in my living. room floor.

How did you physically react when. combs raped you? I just remember crying. and saying no, but it was very fast. So, what if anything did you observe about. Sean's physical appearance just like. black eyes? I kind of said that before. just wasn't himself. The laughing and. like all the things that were happening. before that was not there. And it was. just like somebody taking something from. you just without you said that you.

cried. What did he do when you cried? He. continued. I don't even know if he. noticed honestly. He continued, finished. and then he got up and left. After the. rword in your living room, were you. intimate with Sean again? I was once. more, but by choice. Can you explain to. the jury why you agreed to see him again. after the assault? We've been together. for over 10 years. Like, you don't just. turn feelings off that way. We were very. connected at that point still. I still. had good vision of who he was as a. person, like I didn't hate him. March. 1st, 2019, so a few months afterwards,

Combmes texts Cassie, I'll pull up and. handle it face to face, no threat facts, and you will not be threatening me. You. have too many iPads full of skeletons. If I was you, I would get me my money. cuz we both have better things to do. with our lives. I really don't want no. problems. I got it from here. I tried. Cassie is explaining that Shawn wants. his money back since the man that Cassie. moves on with her now husband Alex find. was the personal trainer that Diddy had. hired for her. So I guess he had paid. her for sessions and then they started.

having a relationship. So he didn't like. that he wanted the money. What money? I. guess that he had paid Alex fine for the. personal training sessions. At this. point like combs his glasses on, face. all close to the evidence screen. intently reading. Cassie responds, "Do. you want me to tell the truth? It's way. deeper than iPads. This is her text. message. They talk on and off here and. there, but not much. But in 2023, Cassie. talks about how she goes to rehab. She. says I was spinning out and I didn't I. didn't want to be alive anymore at that.

point. So, this is where she gets. incredibly emotional. I was actually. shooting a music video with another. artist and I just kept having these. horrible flashbacks. And um after the. video shoot, I went home and it was like. super super late and my kids were. asleep, my husband was there and I just. remember telling him like you can do. this without me. Like you don't need me. here anymore, right? And like while. she's explaining this, Combmes is just. elbow on his chair kind of touching his. chin. Cassie takes a moment and then. continues, "I couldn't take the pain.

that I was in anymore. So I just try to. walk out the front door into oncoming. traffic and my husband would not let. me." So, she goes to rehab and it's in. rehab as a way of dealing with her. trauma. She tries to write a book, not. like a book that she's trying to. publish, but it's like a book format, like a journal. She just wanted to. deliver it to Combmes. And she did. She. sent it to him. She said, "I really. wanted Shawn to read the information. I. wanted him to understand what I had to. learn to understand over that period.".

Why did you want Shawn to read the book? Because I don't think that he. understood. I don't think after all. those years of begging for like. sorryries and just for him to actually. recognize the pain that he put me. through like I just wanted him to. understand. I think bigger more than. anything it was his own personal shame. in I'm having to carry the things that. were shameful to him. What were those things? The second part. the freakoffs like I took on a lot of. the responsibility of that that I never. should have. He brought the concept to. me when I was 22 and I would do.

absolutely anything for him and I did. and it never stopped our whole. relationship and it was expected of me. and it made me feel horrible about. myself and I couldn't get I couldn't get. it out. I couldn't face him with it. I. was always so numb because that's what I. chose to do to get through it. Cassie. tries to get Combs the book. Eventually. Combmes's assistant Christina Cororm I. think that she's going to testify. I'm. going to be so real. I think so. which. she gets back to Cassie and is like, "Yeah, no one's really taking it. seriously. I don't even know if he's. going to read it." So, the prosecutor.

asks, "So, other than wanting Shawn to. read your book, what else, if anything, did you want from Shawn? I wanted to be. compensated for the time, the pain, and. like the many, many years of trying to. have to fix my life." What, if any, price did you have for the rights of. your book, 30 million? Can you explain. to the jury how you came up with that. figure? I really didn't do any research. I just picked a number that I felt like. would alert him. November of 2023, Cassie files a lawsuit against Combmes.

and within 24 hours, she settles for $20. million. This was speculated but. confirmed during her testimony. She has. no more pending lawsuits actively. against Combmes or anyone else relating. to her relationship with Combmes, at. least as of the day of testifying. However, in the next episode, a huge. topic of conversation is that it appears. that maybe a pending lawsuit had wrapped. up within the past month without telling. me about any discussions with your. lawyers. Why are you testifying at this.

trial? I can't carry this anymore. I. can't carry the shame, the guilt, the. way I was guided to treat people like. they were disposable. What's right is. right, and what's wrong is wrong, and. I'm here to do the right thing. And with. that, we're going to head into part two. of Cassie's cross-examination. part two. of her testimony where there were a lot. of audible gasps at one point in the. courtroom. There were a lot of intense. moments and I think that episode ties. into I guess like the crazy polarization.

that's happening on the internet. It. seems like every time I go on the. internet, everybody is so divided. [Music]. So stay tuned and I will see you in the. next one. [Music].