7 Husbands Drugged & Assaulted Each Other’s Wives & Live-Streamed It For Their “Boy Chatroom”

James was going to take his wife to the. best hotel in the city, Marina Bay Sands. in Singapore. It's the three buildings. and what looks like a spacecraft sitting. on top of the three buildings. The top. is actually the largest infinity pool in. the entire world. It is like the. equivalent of being in a pool on the. 100th floor, about 1,100 ft up in the. sky. It's a five-star hotel that a lot of. couples in Singapore, they'll even do. staycations there. Because truly, like.

what is more romantic than taking a swim. overlooking the entire city? And it's. it's not cheap. The most affordable room. starts at around $500 a night, but you. can also book a lover's suite. That's. going to cost you around like $1,500. per night. This is a luxury resort. But James didn't care. He said no. expenses are going to be spared. He just. really wanted to splurge on his wife. Jennifer. They were going through the thick of. life. They're raising four daughters.

together. I mean, nothing in life at. this point seemed easy anymore. Everything about being a parent was just. exhausting. And both of them deserve. some rest. So, they spent all day just. lounging in hotel robes, going to the. spa, ordering room service. By the end of the night, Jennifer. excused herself to the restroom to go. take a shower. James is waiting in the. hotel room, waiting for the water to. turn on. Waiting to hear the sound of his wife. open and close the shower door behind. her. And then he pounced. He pounced on.

her phone. This was the whole purpose of. the trip. James wanted to see what was. in that damn phone. He went through her. messages. He went through all of her. messaging apps, WhatsApp, all of that. And then finally, he clicked on Facebook. Messenger. He starts speed scrolling through her. messages. He knows exactly what he's. looking for in here. He had a sneaking. suspicion this whole time. And there it was. Messages between James's friend Owen. [music]. and his wife Jennifer. So, he starts.

scrolling to see what they're talking. about. And it was bad. Jennifer, the. wife, is telling Owen that they were at. the the Marina Bay Sands Resort. And. Owen is kind of teasingly asking her, "Oh, are you going to wear a bikini? Are. you going to swim at the pool?". Okay, you know, it's bad, but maybe it's. explainable. James keeps scrolling. There were. messages James found where Jennifer, his. wife, is telling Owen all these intimate. details about her marriage with James. She said that whenever James asks her to.

sleep with him, she doesn't even know. how to respond. She doesn't even want to. respond. He just isn't doing it for her. anymore. If she felt obligated to sleep. with him, she would just close her eyes. and imagine that it was Owen instead. Oh my gosh. James had confirmation that. his wife was cheating on him with his. friend. James said that he just felt this like. strong sense of betrayal. I'm so sorry. Owen is his friend? Owen. is James's friend.

Ah. But he didn't even feel the betrayal. coming from his wife. He felt it coming. from Owen. They had a deal. Owen wasn't supposed to. flirt with James's wife. He was only. supposed to R-word her. How can it be R-word when they're both. choosing to sleep with each other? When. they're both choosing to have an affair? That wasn't part of the plan. James. decided that day to take matters into. his own hands. So, on his 3-year. anniversary with his wife, he would drug. her, invite Owen over, and watch as Owen.

assaulted her unconscious body. He would end up liking this experience. so much that for the next 8 years, he. would find like-minded husbands on. online forums, and they would drug and. assault each others wives, all the while. recording it for their own sick. pleasure. [music]. [music].

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Take it easy, go watch a funny show, relax, and just remember to take care of. yourself. We will see you in the next. one. With that being said, this case does. take place in Singapore and due to their. intense privacy laws, all parties. involved in today's case cannot be. named, not even the perpetrators due to. gag orders imposed by the court. In most. online articles, all the perpetrators. are given a single letter alias, so J, K, L, M N O P. And in court documents, they were. referred to as C E G, C E K, C E L, and.

so on and so forth, which which would. make it so incredibly hard to follow for. this episode. So, I'm going to give. everyone involved a nickname with their. court-designated letter to make it. easier to follow. And for clarity, the. nicknames of the wives of the. perpetrators are going to start with the. same letter. So, for example, James is J. and his wife will be called Jennifer in. this episode. Kevin, his wife will be. called Kathy in this episode. And so on. and so forth. And so, one last. disclaimer before we get started, like I. said, this case takes place in Singapore. and this is not I mean, I don't think I.

need to say this, but this is not a. representation or even a judgment of. Singapore or Singaporeans. Evil people. literally exist everywhere and it's not. like they exclusively stay in a single. country. In fact, Singapore has one of. the lowest crime rates in the whole. world. So, just keep that in mind and as. always with foreign cases, if there's. anything more that you'd like us to know. about the case or something that's been. miscommunicated, please leave it in the. comments. Now, let's get started. James. was a former safety officer who is now. trying to make a name for himself live.

streaming. He had set up all the cameras. and he was researching up the mics. He. didn't set up the mics yet because. they're a bit trickier. He needed to. think a little bit more about, where am. I going to put it? Where's the best. placement for the mics to pick up all. the good sounds? But, at least the. cameras were up. So, he starts live. streaming straight away. He's texting. all of his friends a link to his live. stream and he's asking if they could. kindly come and support him. Almost. every single one of his friends showed. up to every single live stream in the. beginning. Even though there were no.

mics set up, they couldn't hear a single. thing that James was doing or saying, nothing, just video, no audio. They. showed up to give their unwavering. support and encouragement. They were. James's brothers, you know? After his lengthy live streams that. usually happened in the middle of the. night, his friends would stay up even if. they had work the next day just to. watch, just to support. Afterwards, his friends would flood the. group chat with, "Nice show. That was. very well done. You thought of every. detail. We loved it. You keep getting.

better and better at this. Keep it up.". James is getting off on this praise. He. would smile, dim the lights on his phone. so that his sleeping wife wouldn't see. what he's doing and he would rewatch his. own live stream. The one where he was engaging and. intimate relations with his wife. His wife was completely unaware that. there were hidden cameras installed in. the corner of their bedroom ceilings. live streaming everything to James's. closest friends. His family friends, his.

best friends, and all of his little. online buddies that he met on Sammy boy. Have you heard of Sammy boy? Mhm. So, the forum Sammy boy has two. worlds. You've got Sammy boy Al Fresco. coffee forum, and then the Asian values. forum. So, the Sammy boy Al Fresco. coffee forum is not about coffee. What. what Sammy boy is a It's like a website. It's like Reddit. Right? reddit.com, sammyboy.com. But, there's two sides of. Sammy boy. So, imagine if there is like. the regular side of Reddit, and then the.

dark side of Reddit. I mean, you could. argue that is how Reddit operates. But, Sammy boy is pretty distinct in how. different it is. So, the light side of Sammy boy is. called Sammy boy's Al Fresco coffee. forum. And contrary to the name, it's. not about coffee. I mean, this part of. Sammy boy really does kind of feel like. Reddit a little bit. I mean, it's much. less moderated than the big subs on. Reddit, but to just give you a general. idea, the top threads of the day on this. part are usually linked to current.

events, current news, religion, immigration. I mean, conversations about. international news, what's going on with. the local government in Singapore. People go on there to talk about just. all sorts of random things. They go. there to get opinions, to ask questions, to analyze everything that's happening. in the news cycle. That's the lighter. side of Sammy boy. The dark side of. Sammy boy is called the Asian values. forum. What a name. So, that side of. Sammy boy is infamous, and it's. frequently in mainstream media news.

cycles for having explicit materials, trafficking illegal hidden spy cam. footage, and illegal upskirt photos. being uploaded onto that forum. Now, side note, if you go to Sammy Boy's. FAQ page, where they have, you know, all. the frequently asked questions, they. named the explicit side of their forum. Asian Values, because originally it was. called the Commercial Scene in. Singapore, but a lot of people. complained that they couldn't look at it. while they were at work. because of the URL domain. Their bosses. would pick up on it.

Oh, so so they're not hiding this. information? Like this is like publicly. like, "Hey, come to my site for these. type of content.". You don't understand how many hours me. and a few of the other members on the RM. team have been on sammyboy.com basically. the past Yeah. is a very like questionable forum. Very. questionable. I would say it doesn't. even compare to Reddit in how. questionable it is. I know that Reddit. has kind of a sour history where a lot. of dark things have happened through. Reddit, but Sammy Boy is like.

unregulated town. I would maybe consider. it more on par with 4chan is the vibe. Yeah. It's really intense. Now, a lot of. people complained when it was called the. Commercial X Scene in Singapore, they. couldn't look at it at work because. their bosses would get a list of all the. URL domains that they would access while. they were at work, and that's very. obvious that it's a nasty website. That's why they changed it to Asian. Values Forum, which is. considerate, I guess. So, the forum was.

started as a Yelp page for sex work. Now, to give you some more context, sex. work is legal in Singapore, but it is. highly, highly, highly regulated. There. is only one single legal red-light. district in Singapore. There are more. than like a hundred brothels in there, but they're heavily monitored by a. division in the Singapore Police Force. Each brothel has to be properly. licensed, and it's estimated to cost. about a million dollars to even set up a. brothel. The law dictates that each. brothel has to organize regular medical.

check-ups for the workers. All the. workers themselves have to be licensed. and come from one of the five following. countries: China, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, and Singapore. All of them need to be medically. registered in Singapore. So, it started. as a place to review different brothels. and different happy ending massage. therapy places. It's like Yelp for the. Red-light District. That's why it. started, the forum. And while some of. that still exist, it's kind of branched. off into this general conversations. about anything explicit, it's just.

dumped onto Sammy boy. There are threads. for explicit fantasy stories, threads. for conversations about special. interest, kinks, right? And it's just a. general place for people to gather and. talk about very explicit things. But. there is barely any moderation. I mean, it's kind of weird. It seems like they. take moderation seriously when it comes. to things like shitposting. That's what. they call it, where you just like mass. post the same thing on different.

threads, but not much moderation in the. sense of posting questionable, if not. illegal, content. Sammy boy themselves. wrote on their website, "Juvenile crap. will be deleted. This forum is not for. pimple-faced teenagers to discuss their. first wet dream or to ask about where. the girls' body parts are located. If. you want to learn about the basics of. adult activity, ask your teacher or your. dad. Sammy's forums are designed for. experienced fornicators." Wow. You can. even pay a premium monthly membership, which is about $18 a month, and that.

comes with a promise that the content. that you post will not be moderated at. all. So, it's kind of turned into this. breeding ground for questionable. activity. The header of the premium membership. says, "Please note, this forum is full. of homophobes, racist, lunatic, schizophrenics, and absolute nut jobs. If you believe that content generated by. unsavory characters might cause you. offense, please leave now. Sammy boy. admin and staff are not responsible for. your hurt feelings should you choose to.

read any of the content here. To give you even more context on what. kind of threads can be found on there, many threads are some sort of variation. of come share your wife pic. Yeah, which. is done with or without the wife's. consent and usually we're talking about. explicit photos. We're not talking about. profile pictures. Another one is called upskirting my. employer. Both are explicit threads and the. upskirting employer thread is just I. mean it's really illegal. It's exactly.

what it sounds. It's for people who want. to post illegally taken upskirt photos. of female colleagues in the workplace. Which I mean, we've heard of this. happening in subways or very busy areas. where people feel like they can just. take upskirt photos of strangers. But to. take illegal upskirt photos of your. colleagues that you're interacting with. on a professional level on a daily. basis, it's like a notch above on the scale of. messed up and illegal. There's explicit. revenge videos posted on Sammy boy.

Pictures and videos of girlfriends and. wives being shared without their. knowledge nor their consent. And you. would think that most people would be so. turned off by this. I was getting. freaked out on there. I genuinely felt. like the FBI was going to knock on my. door because I don't know why so much of. the threads just felt so illegal. Mhm. I'm like, how am I accessing this. website? super illegal. Like I don't know how any. of them are not being investigated for. the things that they're doing, you know? A lot of people were arrested because of. Sammy boy. Right, yeah. And this is probably one of.

the biggest ones, but it's still. operating like very similarly to what it. was before. Mhm. It's just crazy. I. mean, you would think that most people. would be turned off by something that's. so blatantly illegal and immoral. But. one college student from Singapore who. is an active user of Sammy boy, he said, "You know, I actually go to Sammy boy. for the non-consensual content." He said. it was so much better than the. conventional x-rated websites because in. those videos he's like, you know, there's like a whole production team. There's paid actors. They're not really.

having fun. They're not really like. enjoying the activity. Whereas the. content on Sammy boy, it's so much more. authentic. He said he was addicted. He said the. only way he would stop consuming this. illegal content is probably the day he. dies. He said sometimes if he sits there for. too long and thinks about it, he kind of. feels a little guilty for enjoying such. content. But then he thinks, you know. what? No matter what, someone's going to. post this content. And just because I.

stop watching doesn't mean people will. stop posting. So if the content is out. there and I watch it and I don't watch. it, like what difference does it make? He said, I know it's wrong, but what can. they do to me? He said technically he's just streaming. explicit videos, which is legal. The. people that should be in trouble are the. ones uploading and downloading the. content. And a few did get in trouble. There was. this fantasy story writer on Sammy boy. who was jailed for uploading hidden. camera footage to accompany his stories.

So he would write these really intense, vulgar, x-rated stories, like fantasies. They're. fake, fictitious stories. But then he. would throw in real life hidden camera. footage pictures to accompany the. stories at the right parts where he felt. like, "Ooh, this matches the scene." But. the worst part of all of this is the. explicit photos that he used were all. women that he personally knew. He went. into his mother-in-law's house and. installed secret cameras into her. bathroom. He took photos and videos of.

his sister-in-law showering, uploaded. them to Sammy boy. He's a church guy. He. went to all of his church friends'. houses and installed hidden cameras into. one of his church friends' homes, watched her shower, uploaded to Sammy. boy. He was finally caught, but there's. more. There's so many incidents like. this. Do we know what he his sentence was? A. few years. And I mean, this forum just. gives very, very, very, very strong bro. energy. And I'm not just saying that. A. lot of the commentators on there. actually call each other SBF bro, which.

means Sammy Boy Forum bro. There's a. whole Sammy Boy dictionary that you can. go to, which has shorthand abbreviated. terms, and a lot of them deal with. women's bodies and actions. Tarma means. when there's three parties involved in. explicit activities. There's a word for. a regular-looking average girl. There's. another word for a hot girl, a hot. female. That's what they call it. Thailand is abbreviated into LOS, the. land of smiles. And I'm sure that.

they're not referring to the Tripadvisor. recommended activities to do in. Thailand. I'm sure they're hinting at. the industry in Thailand. Then you have papaya farm, which means. whorehouse. PCN means lousy service, and. you're you know what kind of service I'm. talking about. There's OMFIAMP, which I felt like was unnecessarily. long, but it stands for one man's food. is another man's poison, which is. typically used to describe women that. you think are ugly, but other people.

think are pretty. And there's EMA. This. is a very commonly used term on Sammy. Boy, and it stands for extramarital. affairs. There was a post made on Sammy Boy about. a woman who found out that her husband. was cheating on her through his Sammy. Boy account. He was using the forum to. look for a happy ending massage parlors. that give extra services. Her husband. was in the comments giving reviews of. some of these places saying things like, "Oh, the service at this place was not. bad, smiley face.".

And this woman, this wife, she took to. Sammy Boy to kind of talk about how she. has very low self-confidence from all of. this. She did some investigating, and it. turns out that her husband made the. account right after she gave birth to. their first child. And now she thinks. about it and she says, "Maybe it's my. fault because after I gave birth he. tried to initiate intimate relations and. I just wasn't in the mood after giving. birth, but now I'm wondering if maybe. it's my fault because I kept saying no. So now he's on Sammy boy looking for,

you know, ex-workers.". The original post was on a different. website and forum and she was genuinely. looking for advice. It got reposted to. Sammy boy. The comments were brutal. They wrote, "Dumb woman, if you treat. him like a man that he deserves to be, all this wouldn't have happened. This. woman should go and learn from those. derogatory term for Chinese woman. on how to seduce women. The only way to. prevent your hubby from starving is to. quote feed him with as much activity as. possible. The lady in the story clearly.

took things for granted. She practically. pushed him into the brothels. What an. idiotic woman.". So, yeah, that's what's on Sammy boy. And you know how on Reddit, there's subs. that you can go on and ask for. relationship advice. Knowing what you. know now about Sammy boy, would you go. on there with the intention of finding. real applicable tips on how to better. your relationship? Probably not. It's. like the last place that you would post. about it. Like is this really the place. to go to learn about how to be better. connected to your partner? I mean, I.

went to the most generic thread for. marriage advice on Sammy boy. The. original poster was asking about what. being married is like and and any advice. since he's about to get married soon. Which side note, even the original post. was so alarming. The OP wrote, "I guess. my girlfriend's biological body probably. needs a home. I really do like her, so I. don't really mind marrying her.". It ends with, "Any good and sound advice. from you senior guys here who have been. through this life-changing milestone?". The top responses are "Marriage is not a.

word but a sentence. A life sentence.". And the classic, "You're not very smart, boy. Why buy a cow when the milk is very. cheap at the market?". And another, "You can still cheat on her. while she's at university.". Someone commented, "Post her photo. That's needed to make a sound decision.". Which leads me again to believe perhaps. this is not the best place to be looking. for marriage advice. Like if you. genuinely want to work on your marriage,

right? James disagreed. James had some very. intense relationship marriage trauma. that he wanted to talk to someone about. To give you some context, James and. Jennifer, they got married in 2008. One. year into the marriage, Jennifer was. pregnant with their very first daughter. They're going to go on to have four. daughters, right? But this is their first kid. This is. such a beautiful moment for the both of. them. They're both so excited. They're. nesting. They're setting up the nursery. And James is continuously showing that. excitement by sleeping with another.

woman the whole time that Jennifer is. pregnant with their daughter. Jennifer. catches him. Now, we don't have more. details on this, but we do know that she. probably found out and for a long list. of reasons, she ends up staying with. him. It's pretty clear though that the. infidelity while she's pregnant, I mean, it's going to take a massive toll on. their relationship. It's going to take a. massive toll on her mental state. James said that Jennifer would bring up. his cheating all the time. And each time. she brought it up, she would have so. much anger and hurt in her voice and she.

would say something along the lines of, "Well, if you can cheat on me, I can. cheat on you, too, you know?" James. wrote on the Sammy Boy forum that his. wife was making him, quote, "live in. fear and anxiety.". He said he was living in fear. He was. worried, so sick of worrying, and so. anxious that his wife might actually. cheat and be unfaithful. And the idea of that made him want to. throw up. While he is worried sick, he showed his.

wife a video of two men and a woman, okay, doing intimate things. And he tells her, "This is something I. want to do." She told him, "Are you. crazy? Are you out of your mind? I'm not. doing that. We're not bringing another man into our. bedroom.". And he goes on to Sammy Boy to say, "After everything that we've been. through, after she keeps rubbing this in. my face like, well, I can cheat on you, too, she can't even give me this? On one hand, he's living in fear that. his wife is going to cheat on him. On.

the other hand, his ultimate fantasy was. to have another man join them in the. bedroom, and she just turned him down. So, he goes on to Sammy Boy to vent out. all of his frustrations. Now, we don't. really know exactly what kind of. responses or advice he was receiving, but this is a website that has a full-on. thread of men even debating the pros and. cons of cheating on their wives. There's a whole thread. I was on there. for like an hour because I was just so. appalled." Pros and cons of cheating. On. your wife. I wonder if they write any. cons, or is it just all pros, no cons?

Yes, some people wrote cons, and they. said, you know, once trust is broken, it's broken. Which is a very generic thing to say, but one commentator wrote, "I guess when. the opportunity comes, I cheat. If my. wife does the same though, I can't. accept it. A painful revenge is the easy way out. Why do I do this, and why am I like. this, you ask? Because I'm an. and I don't give a The truth is, I'm quite sure that I'm no different. than most of the men on this thread.". So, that's great. What? One person wrote.

the idea that they don't think cheating. is good. They said you should not cheat, but they said it like this. "I think. sexual desires and needs will never be. fully fulfilled. There are certain. fantasies which I can never tell my wife. about. Also, I can't turn her into a hot Latina. model, but I got to use my brain. So, I'm not. going to cheat on my wife. This is the. pool of people we're dealing with. And when James goes to write about his. wife has been holding a grudge against. him since he cheated on her while she.

was pregnant, he said he knows this. because she quote, "Repeatedly tells me. that if I can do as such, she can do the. same as well. Since then, I have been. living in fear and suspense.". He also stated recently that Jennifer, his wife, has been acting cold towards. him and there's been a shift. He. suspects that she is sleeping with her. boss. They've been getting closer and. closer together. It doesn't even feel. like a work relationship anymore. He said, "I'm worried that this is. heading towards something that might go. wrong." He posts this and the comments. start pouring in. Personally, I mean, I.

think they're ill-advised suggestions, but they're all along the lines of, "If. she stayed with you after you cheated on. her, that means she forgave you. She. can't hold this over your head and you. shouldn't have to live in fear all day, my poor sweet boy. Have you thought. about setting a trap for your wife?". At least that way you'll know for sure. she's cheating or not. At least that way. you don't have to deal with the anxiety. of not knowing for certain. That is when James decides to set up a. honey trap.

These are services that you can actually. purchase to test your partner's loyalty. They exist not just in Singapore, but. like all over the world. You could do it. in the US. I've seen TikTokers do it. There's one TikToker who made her whole. career off of being a honey trap or what. do they call it like a honey? So, this. is very different from hiring a private. investigator because you have suspicions. that your partner is cheating. This is. hiring someone to go out of their way, hunt down your significant other online. or in person, and flirt with them. See. if they're willing to cheat on you. This.

is a honey trap. Nowadays, you can pay a. platform about $100, hire a tester to. flirt with your partner online to see if. they'll respond, and if they ignore it. or flat-out deny the tester, that'll be. sent to the wife or the husband. And. these days, the honeys, the testers, they never even meet with their. subjects. It's all done online. They. just message them trying to get a. response out of them. They send. screenshots to the partners as proof. But James, James wanted more. He's like, if I'm setting a honey trap for my wife,

they're going to sleep with my wife. It's really weird because James did not. want to divorce his wife. So, I have. heard of people trying to do honey traps. when they're in custody battles. They'll. hire a professional honey to try and get. some sort of evidence of an affair of. infidelity because this works against. them in child custody battles. But this, I don't know what James' end. game is here. He's just trying to be. like, "Aha, I don't know.". He just wants someone to sleep with his.

wife. And he felt like this guy named. Owen from Sammy Boy was the perfect fit. James chose Owen because Owen drove a. BMW. Yeah. James said, "I chose him. eventually because my wife's. ex-boyfriend drove a BMW. So, I just I. assumed.". I mean, based off that assumption, it. seems like James thinks his wife is. someone that's just interested in. material goods and would be tempted by. any man that drove a BMW. He decides, "Okay, perfect. Owen is. going to try and sleep with my wife and.

I'm going to help him.". Everybody else on this thread is warning. James, telling him like, "Do not trust. this Owen guy. I'm telling you right. now, things aren't going to go well for. you, James. Owen has a history of being. very sneaky on these threads." So, he's. trying to have another guy, Owen, sleep. with the wife or seduce the wife as a. honey? Seduce the wife and eventually. sleep with the wife. Oh, okay. It's really weird. So, he's saying, "I'm. so scared my wife is cheating on me. Mhm. So, I'm going to set up a date with.

her with another man so she can cheat on. me.". Okay. Is what he's saying. Basically. So, he's not scared the wife is. cheating. He just want to watch it. He just wants to watch it. Yeah, basically that's what's happening. He. just wants his wife to sleep with. another man, and I think he wants to get. involved later. It's just the way that he's like. concocting all of this and pulling the. strings is just so bizarre. So, everybody's warning him like, "Don't let. Owen do this. This is going to backfire. on you." But, James said, "You know, the.

way that Owen expressed himself, he was. very confident. I liked him." So, they. set up all these rules that made James. feel reassured. Owen was going to tell. him everything that happened between the. two of them. Even if it's just a mundane. text message, Owen would report anything. that Jennifer said to him. James told. him, "This is the only way this plan. works because as long as I feel like I. have the power to pull out at any time, and I tell you to stop talking to my. wife, you stop talking to my wife, that's the only way that this is going. to be okay. If there's anything I'm. uncomfortable with, I'm just going to.

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some pictures to make it look very. realistic, and then he starts DMing. Jennifer. So now Owen is direct. messaging Jennifer, James's wife. And. I'm sure James gave Owen the rundown of. all the things that his wife likes, doesn't like, so that they could just. hit it off right away. And they do. Every single day, it seems. like James is obsessively checking his. phone for reports from Owen. He wants to know, "What did she say? Did. she flirt with you? Did she send you a. picture? Did you guys respond? Are you. guys going to meet up yet? When?".

So the two, Owen and Jennifer, they talk. online for about a month until finally. Jennifer agrees to meet up with him in. person. They go to the local park to. grab dinner, and I don't know what James. is feeling. I'm sure it's a mix of. emotions. I'm sure he's upset that his. wife would actually meet up with another. man, and for a romantic dinner date at. the park. With all of that, I mean, there's probably some sort of anger. there, right? But he also seems oddly. excited. He wanted Owen to report back every. little detail about that first date.

And I feel like we all know how this is. going to end. It's not going to end. well. After the dinner, Owen starts messaging. James again on Skype and he's telling. him, "Well, yeah, we shared a bottle of. wine together and intimacy-wise, we did. hold hands for a while. Then I hugged. her and we kissed.". So, the first date, it goes so well that. the two they make plans to meet each. other again. This time that they're. going to go for lunch at another park. nearby. Now, after this date, this is.

when things start getting interesting. Owen reports back to James again. "Yeah, it was more or less the same thing as. the first date. You know, wine, hand-holding, making out. Yeah, yeah, same stuff. That's it.". Owen apparently lied. He didn't tell. James that their second date went so. well that the two of them found a hotel. afterwards and had full sexual. relations. And maybe sneaky little Owen was. starting to like Jennifer because he. starts distancing himself from James. He. starts acting like the whole thing with.

James' wife is kind of fizzling out. "Oh, we're not really talking anymore. She hasn't really responded. We're not. really into it anymore." When in. reality, Owen and Jennifer are texting. even more now. They're getting even. closer. This goes on for like 2 months. until October 26th, 2010. James took his wife on a staycation, the. one at the Marina Bay Sands, found the. text messages of her talking about how. she wishes she was sleeping with Owen. instead of her husband, and James. immediately confronts Jennifer. But.

instead of telling his wife, "Hey, I. snooped through your phone," he said, "You know what? Our neighbor stopped by. the other day to talk to me. They said that they were out and they. saw you walking into a hotel with. another man holding hands.". Jennifer didn't even try to deny it. She. just admitted it very swiftly. She's. like, "Yeah, I'm having an affair.". But she told James that I'm done talking. to the guy. We're no longer seeing each. other if that matters. Why not? Well, because he he brought up the idea.

of a threesome. So, Owen had allegedly suggested to. Jennifer that he wanted to sleep with. Jennifer and her husband at the same. time. Jennifer has no idea that Owen. even knows James. Mhm. Jennifer was so grossed out by this. suggestion, she blocked him on all. platforms soon after. So, it seems like James forgave her, or. at least Jennifer was under the. impression that her husband was over it. They were moving on from it. And I'm. sure Jennifer felt a little bit of guilt. about what happened and how it must have.

made her husband feel. She had no clue that James was the one. that set Owen up to talk to her. That. that he had been getting detailed. reports from Owen about everything that. they talked about, at least in the. beginning. And now, she's got no clue that James is. still talking to Owen over Skype. James. tells Owen, "Change of plans.". He wanted Owen to fully assault his wife. while he watched, and it was going to. happen on their 3-year wedding. anniversary. A symbolic moment.

March 14th, 2011. James hands Jennifer a. glass of wine. She takes it and she. clinks it next to his. Like they had. been through a lot, you know, marriage. is tough, having kids is rough, overcoming infidelity is even tougher, but at least today is something we're. celebrating. They've been married for 3. years. Jennifer takes a sip and another. The wine was spiked with crushed up. sleeping pills. It was odorless, tasteless, colorless, and it it was a. little weird that she felt very drunk. very fast. But she could have thought.

maybe she didn't eat before she drank, maybe she was just drunk off the energy. or the love in the house that night. And. just like that, she's out cold. And this. is in the safety of her home, just like. keep that in mind. One moment she's. drowsy from the wine, the next minute. unresponsive. James texts Owen and waits for him. In the meantime, he drags his wife's. limp body to the bed, blindfolds her. just in case she wakes up and opens her. eyes, and he's patiently waiting for. this man to get here. The man who's.

having an affair with his wife to come. over and now assault his wife while he. watched. James said that he has two distinct. memories from the very first time that. this happened cuz it's going to happen. again and again and again. And this is from James, so take it with. a grain of salt. He said he remembered Owen assailing his. wife. He remembered watching it. And then after he left, James said he. remembered cleaning his wife up and. crying and sobbing asking himself, "What.

have I done? What have I done?". James said on one hand he felt so. guilty, but on the other hand, there was. this excitement of watching Owen assail. his wife. "It didn't feel real," he. said. He said, "Even today, I cannot. imagine myself standing there and. watching." But he did. And then he. wouldn't shut up about it. He starts. going on all these random Sammy boy. threads about wife swapping, which, you. know, it's not wife swapping what he's. doing, and he starts making friends with. random people on the internet that have.

the same interest as him, and he shares. the story of what happened with Owen. And one of the guys, his name is Matt. Matt is like, "That's so intriguing. I. want to be a part of this. Please let me. be a part of this.". James is like, "Oh yeah, you want a. turn? Let me give you a turn." James. drugs his wife Jennifer once more, making sure that she's unconscious, and. waits for another man to come into their. house where their four daughters live. They've got four kids, four daughters, and a man that he met online is coming. over to assault his wife while the kids.

are asleep. And he's watching yet again. This time. he even took it a step further and. started recording the entire thing. He. wanted photos and videos to remember the. assault by. And for eight years, he would drug his wife, the mother of his four daughters, he. would drug her, drag her unconscious. body to the bed, their marital bed where. she's supposed to feel the safest and. the most protective. And James would invite men from the. internet over to assault his wife, while.

he not only watched, but started taking. videos and photos. Soon, more people on Sammy Boy started. being intrigued by James and his wife. They all wanted to join. James connected with a man named Kevin. on Sammy Boy, and Kevin was like, "James, I want the same thing that. you're doing, right? But my wife, Cathy, is just like Jennifer. You know, I thought it would be perfect. because your wife and my wife, like we. could swap wives, if you will. But Cathy. would never in a million years. Like,

she would never consent to it.". So, they decided, "Okay, then Cathy can. also be drugged. It's no big deal.". And they start developing an MO. At this. point, James had already drugged his. wife before, but this is when they. really start having like a system. They. started drugging the woman with. something called Dormicum. It is a. sedative. It's categorized as a. benzodiazepine, and it's unique for. being very fast-acting. If injected, it. takes about 5 minutes to kick in. If. it's taken orally, it only takes about. 15 minutes. And it dissolves in water.

It's odorless, colorless, tasteless. It's a terrifying date rape And if you. remember the Burning Sun case, this is a. very similar type of drug. The drugs are. metabolized, and they leave the system. really quickly, typically within a day. So, it's even harder to catch, at least. on the police investigation front. And I. don't even think I need to tell you. about how dangerous that is, especially. since the husbands planned on mixing it. with their wives' alcoholic beverages. That's even more reckless. So, they're. already risking their wives' health and.

life by administering this sedative. without a prescription, and even more so. by mixing it into alcohol. A doctor who has knowledge on this said. that when this drug is mixed in with. alcohol, increasing the dosage without waiting to. see the actual effect, coupled with the. alcohol intake, there's a very high risk. of over sedation, which could lead to. suppression of breathing, which could in. turn lead to inadequate oxygen in the. blood. In severe cases, this can lead to. brain damage. A sedated person is. unconscious and therefore unable to. avoid any visible danger and could.

potentially even ingest their own vomit. into their lungs and die. It could be fatal. But they were like, "No, this is perfect because you don't. remember a single thing when you wake. up. You don't even have like a feeling. You. have It's just a blank space. Someone. cut it out of your memory.". Kevin invites James over after drugging. his wife Kathy, and he watched as James. assaulted Kathy. So now James went from. being the watcher to the assaulter. He took photos and videos, and James.

wanted more men to come and assault his. wife, but he also wanted to assault more. men's wives. It's very complicated. In the end, these monsters just wanted. to physically, mentally, emotionally. violate the person that they're supposed. to love and respect the most. And they just kept this sick little. cycle going, adding more people in. From. Sammy boy, Kevin invited James over to. assault his wife Kathy, then he decided. he was going to assault his wife right. after James. I mean, I don't believe for.

a second that any of these guys felt. guilty about anything that they did. Even now they're crying and moaning. about how remorseful they are. I don't. think so. At one point, James just. straight-up asks and demands to assault. an ex-wife of one of the husbands. So remember the guy named Matt who came. over and assaulted Jennifer? Yes. They met through Sammy boy, and. James helped Matt assault his wife. Jennifer. And now he's like, "It's my. turn.". But the problem is, Matt's like, "Well,

I'm no longer married. My ex-wife Mary, she still lives with me, but we're not. together.". James is like, "That's fine. She doesn't. have to be your wife for me to assault. her.". James wanted a very twisted tit-for-tat. Like, I give you one and eye for an eye. Come on. So, he waited until Jennifer was out of. town for a work trip. He told Matt to. bring his ex-wife Mary over under the. guise that James would have some work. opportunities for her. He spiked her drink, assaulted her. So, not only is James having men from.

the internet come over to assault his. wife in their family home, but when his. wife goes out of town, he's having. another woman come over so that he can. drug and assault her all in their family. home where they again raise four. daughters. Mary was drugged and it was. said that she was slurring her words. before she fell unconscious. Matt, her ex-husband, helped prop her up. so that James could assault her and they. made sure to get a ton of pictures and. videos from it. Not that they needed to because before.

Matt and Mary even got there, James had. turned on all the secret cameras so that. he was able to live stream the whole. assault to all of their buddies on. Sammyboy. So, it wasn't an open live. stream where anybody on Sammyboy could. watch. You needed a password, but a lot. of people could watch. When they were done, James kept Mary's undergarments so that. he could gift it to one of the boys in. the group later. He gave them to a guy named Nick. I. actually did manage to find one of. James's comments on a thread.

In a thread titled {quote} most. perverted things done {question mark}. James, he had like four different. accounts. On one of his accounts called. newbie to all this, he wrote, "My most. recent experience was to invite an SBF. bro over to my place to watch my wifey's. ex videos and pics. And if they got a. fetish for her lingerie, I let them help. themselves to her wardrobe and laundry. basket. It's so nice to see, especially. young guys lusting over my wife. LOL.

Can it even be considered as some sort. of perversion?" What? Basically being. like, "Is this really even that. perverted? A lot of people were responding to his. post saying, "Wow, can you invite me, too? I love panties.". "Hi bro, can you invite me over next. time? I hope I can join this group.". So, James is loving it. He keeps posting. videos and photos of his wife being. assaulted by other men. They would add. little captions to the photos and. videos. So, Kevin would send videos to. James of James assaulting Kevin's wife,

Kathy. And he would write to James, "It. would be nice if you managed to knock up. my wife, Kathy.". What? Which like, we don't even need to. go down that road of deciphering how. messed up that is. They've already tried. to strip Kathy of her bodily autonomy, but now they're like, let's take it a. step further. The idea that she would be. impregnated by her R warder and her. husband is encouraging that is another. level of depraved. The men refer to their wives as. and plan to get more assaulters to come.

on board and they really had this. fantasy of impregnating their wives with. the assaulter's DNA. This part is very disturbing. James, like I said, had four daughters and he. discussed in great detail with Owen. about how Owen should come over to. assault Jennifer in the kids' room while. the children were asleep. Wow. They laughed about how their wives were. too dumb to even know what's going on. They were poking fun at the fact that.

they, as husbands, they wanted to have. threesomes. They wanted to bring another. man into the bedroom. The wives said, "You're crazy. Don't ever talk about. stuff like that. No, no, no, no, no.". And they said, "You know, the wives. think they won, but in reality, we're. still doing it." That was their whole. hee-hee ha-ha thing. James messaged Kevin, "Women like. Jennifer and Kathy, no matter how smart. they think they are, they eventually get. outsmarted by their husbands." Hee-hee. James goes on to say, "I bet both of.

them still think that they're their. husband's loyal wife, making fun of the. fact that neither of them know that. other men have violated their bodies. Additionally, they talked about their. wives as if they were just objects or. property to be given and gifted. Kevin. told James in one instance that Cathy. is, quote, "always yours," implying that. Cathy belongs to Kevin, and Kevin is. gifting Cathy to James. On Nick's birthday dinner, this is. another man that gets involved and. assaults James's wife, Jennifer. On.

Nick's birthday, James sends him a. picture. of Nick assaulting Jennifer and wrote in. the caption, "Happy birthday. I will. always be knocked out waiting for you in. bed from your doll, Jennifer." He would. also steal his wife's clothes and. underwear to gift them to Nick like a. souvenir for the crimes that they've. committed. Like, it's just a husband's world and. the wives are just living in it. And I. think now is probably a good time for a. disclaimer. There are a lot of husbands who want to. watch their wives be passionate with.

other men. I think it goes without. saying that I personally don't shame. people as long as everything they do is. between consenting adults and no laws. are being broken. I just feel like it's. not my place to have an opinion on what. people are into. And I almost feel like. I need to give you the psychology behind. these interests that people have because. if I don't, it does feel like in a lot. of mainstream media articles, James is. being grouped into this wife swapper. community. And it just ends up. demonizing a whole group of people who. don't do anything wrong.

A lot of media reports say that this is. a wife sharing case, a wife swapping. case, but it's not really. It's an. assault case. Wife swapping, wife. sharing, when done properly, is not. illegal. So, to undo some of that. stigma, we're going to go down the. psychology of why someone might be. interested in watching their partner. with someone else. And how that differs. from James and what he did because James. is not part of these people, right? I. mean, it's very different. You'd be very. surprised at how many people out there.

are interested in watching their wife. sleep with someone else. I think it's. one of those things where we can very. easily react and say, "Well, that's. crazy. Well, I could never." right? And. that's perfectly fine if you don't want. to, but it does seem like there's a lot. of solid psychology behind the intrigue. of something like this. And this is what. I've been able to gather just as a whole. from this genre, if you will. So again, this is not James psychology cuz he's. not part of this group, but right off. the bat, the aspect that kept coming up. in Reddit threads about this was the.

mixture of really good and really bad. emotions that are really intense. They. said it reminds them of Christmas. When. you hear the Christmas songs and you see. the lights, you smell the nutmeg and the. spiced apples and the pine, it's this. comforting and very happy feeling. But there's also kind of a sadness cuz. you think about all the days that have. gone by and how you're no longer young. and Christmas is no longer stress-free. and there's almost like a. kind of a mixture of sorrow. A Redditor.

said, "Just like how that mixture of joy. and slight sadness makes Christmas. special, it makes this whole experience. special.". And I'm not speaking for everyone. This. is just what I could find from hours and. hours of redditing this topic. It seems. like the husbands, the ones who will. watch, go through a series of really. intense emotions. And I do think that. this can, to a degree, be applied to. James, but not fully. We'll get into it. So, the first emotion they said is. excitement and nerves. It's so taboo. There's such a thrill in.

doing something that's considered. forbidden by society. They think it's. naughty and that in itself is so. exciting, you know? Society says you. should never cheat on your partner. You. should never actively and so bluntly. cheat on your partner literally in front. of them. Then they said that there's. happiness and joy at seeing your partner. being happy and having such unique. experiences. So, this is to emphasize that the wife's. participation, consent, and enjoyment of. this process is a huge part of why some.

husbands would want to partake in these. activities because they are seeing their. wife be happy is what they were. explaining on Reddit. One husband said, "You know, and it's also my wife is the. most beautiful woman in the world to me. I'd rather watch her than some adult. actress that I don't know.". So, there's that voyeurism aspect. Some. husband said that it's like seeing your. wife from a whole new angle. Only when. you're not part of the activity can you. see her from the outside and focus on.

like her every minute movement and. expressions. And then they said, "This is where it. gets complicated." The jealousy and. insecurity starts to hit the husband. Perhaps there's an edge of embarrassment. and self-doubt even. Some husbands. believe the humiliation aspect of. feeling weaker or lesser than or not. really a man adds an extra layer of. excitement to the whole process. And. they said that you'll start wondering, "Oh, am I not good enough for my wife?". And once it's over, now this is what I.

see a lot of husbands on Reddit at least. talk about, it's called reclaiming. Between the husband and wife, they said. it's one of the most intense things. ever. Now, again, just from an outsider. trying to understand something that's. very nuanced and complicated, I kept. coming across people talking about this. So, I tried to research it. Apparently, there's a biological side to this. Have. you heard of sperm competition? No. Okay. I guess to put it more. eloquently, it would fall under mate.

guarding. So, studies have shown that if. a man thinks his wife may have cheated. on him, the more likely he is to want to. have intimate relations with her, like. psychologically. Often times, even the physical volume of the the. that comes out at the end will be. greater in volume. There will be more of. the. final fluid. Because biologically, I guess men are wired to try and get rid. of the potential rival's product. If.

we're like really going into like. caveman thought process. scientifically studies shown that if. someone found out the wife cheated, the man will will have like a biological. reaction. Yes. Now, I'm not saying that. they'll act on it. Like don't go around. cheating on your husband thinking like. they're going to like it. They're not. going to like it, right? Biologically, there seems to be some sort of. connection with more production of that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean just going through some of. the psychology of that. Like the fact.

that a huge important part of the. process so far is for the husbands to. watch and enjoy their wives be happy and. excited. That seems to be a main point. for every single person that I came. across on Reddit. Wife participation is. key. Not just legally, but for the whole. process to even be exciting for these. husbands. So it's very clear that this. is like wife swapping is being demonized. in this case and it's evident that James. is not a wife swapper. And if I could just be an armchair. therapist for like 1 second because. think about it. The psychology and.

thought process here is just so. unhinged. Side note, me explaining what. I think is going on in this evil brain. of James is not a justification nor an. excuse or even trying to be. understanding for someone like him. I. think I'm genuinely just intrigued by. his thought process. And these are all. opinions, not professional diagnosis or. fact. James claims he did all of this because. his wife made passing comments about. cheating on him. He said that he felt. nonstop fear and suspicion that she was. cheating on him and his solution is to. watch someone assault his wife over and.

over again. It feels like there's. multiple elements here. First, maybe. perhaps, if he's not lying, he's almost. trying to get rid of that. anxiety or fear of his wife cheating on. him by just making her cheat on him. through assault. And there is the sick. power that he feels by humiliating his. wife in such a ghastly way. I think if. you ask any woman about one of their. biggest fears in life, it's to be. essayed. And to facilitate the essay of.

your wife, that is one of the most vengeful, spiteful, violent things I've heard in a while. There's a comment I read on Reddit about. this case. Well, about a different case, but I think it sums up this one really. well. It says, "This is about possessiveness. It's not. about being a husband, it's about being. an owner. He hates his wife being looked. at by other guys in situations that he. can't control because in his mind, she. is his property. He wants his wife to. have intimate relations with another guy.

in a situation he set up and controls. because he sees his wife as property. that he decides to lend out on his. terms.". A part of it is the importance of him. being able to make his wife do something. she doesn't even want to do. We don't. know if Jennifer felt gaps in her. memory. We don't know if maybe she was. beginning to suspect something because. sometimes after drinking wine with her. husband, she wouldn't even drink that. much, but she would wake up the next. morning and have no recollection of the. night before. We don't know if she felt suspicious.

about any of that. But we do know that James literally did. not care. Like he could not care less. He didn't care for her health or her. mental well-being. One time James had. plans for one of the internet guys to. come over and assault his wife. But. Jennifer was feeling a bit sick that. night. So she's like, "I don't want to. drink wine. Like why would I drink wine? I'm feeling sick. Like that's so weird. Stop pushing this cup of wine on me. I. don't want a glass of wine." And he's. like, "Okay, no, no, that's fine." He's. being so kind. He's sympathizing with. her and he tells her, "I'm going to tuck. you into bed and grab some meds." He.

comes back with a pill and a glass of. water. Jennifer didn't know what this pill was. because I mean, how many times have you. taken a pill from your husband, and you. just assume it's probably Advil, it's. probably this, right? And she trusted. her husband to feed her medicine. Instead, while she's sick, she's drugged. and assaulted that night while her. husband watched and filmed. January 1st, 2020, New Year's Day. Jennifer noticed. James had fallen asleep, and he was. watching a video on his phone. So, she. walks over and grabs his phone to turn. off the video, but a new Skype message.

comes in from someone she didn't know. So, she's kind of intrigued, you know, it's an interesting username. She clicks it. The phone opens this chat. log, and words just start jumping off at. the screen at her. I mean, I'm sure she. started feeling panicked. They were. talking about how their wives are. clueless, about how they're going to do. it again, when they're going to do it. again, how hot each other's wives are. She starts scrolling up on the chat to. see the previous chat log, and there are. pictures of herself. And I'm sure in the. beginning it wasn't even registering.

Like, I think if that were me, the first. reaction I would have would be, are. these deep fakes? Because I don't. remember ever taking a single one of. these photos. She did not remember a. single one of these photos, but they. were of her, naked, blindfolded, in her. bed. Those were her sheets, her pillow, and there would be, in one picture, it. was just like her blindfolded face and. two male parts hovering over her. But, if she did think it was faked or edited, or maybe not her, just someone who. looked like her, those doubts were. squashed. She's scrolling, reading as.

fast as she can, and it's clear that. this is a chat between Kevin and Kevin. and James are both assaulting her in her. sleep when she's drugged and passed out. So, New Year's Day, Jennifer slaps James. across the face, wakes him up, and. shoves the phone in his face. She's. like, I need answers right now. She. wanted to know everything. What are they. talking about? When did it happen? The. pictures, when was that? Who was in. there? The two men, who are the men? James quickly confesses to everything. Well, not everything. He says, "Yeah, so, Kevin did assault you." He's.

basically saying it was just Kevin, it. was just Kevin. He said he took the. picture where she's blindfolded and it. was just him and Kevin. And she's like, "Who the hell is Kevin?". Jennifer demands James take her to Kevin. right now so that she can confront him. and see if James is telling the truth. James hesitantly drives her to Kevin's. place and she starts confronting both of. them. They both confess, they're. basically on their knees begging for. forgiveness and understanding saying it. was a one-time thing, they just wanted. to swap wives like one time after. drugging them, that's it. Kevin admitted.

to assaulting Jennifer, James admitted. to assaulting Kathy and they told her it. was just a stupid stupid thing. They. were just wanting to try something. different and it was a stupid stupid. fantasy and they would never do it. again, they felt so bad about it. All of that. January 2nd, 2020, the day after, Jennifer went to the police and filed a. report. And that's when the truth starts. unraveling. Detailed plans on facilitating the. assaults and potential impregnation of. their wives by other men. And almost. every single assault was documented in. depth with pictures and videos.

She discovered that her husband James. had been live-streaming their own. intimate moments straight out of their. bedroom. Jennifer would later say that. James did try to initiate intimacy with. her like every other day and she felt. like it was very frequent. So maybe it was for the live streams. And whenever James had any free time, she said that he was constantly these. days watching X-rated videos. Once she caught James trying to call one. of his friends while they were having. intimate relations. It was weird. Like he tried to play it.

off probably like it was a butt dial. But she it was weird. Later it's. discovered that he likely just wanted. his friend to overhear them on the. phone. Over the span of eight years, Jennifer's own husband had fantasized, coordinated and facilitated numerous. assaults against her. She was assaulted. by Owen, Matt, Larry, Kevin and Nick. The photos and videos of the the. assaults were shared to god knows how. many people.

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a prisoner is sentenced to this specific. punishment, they don't know when it's. coming. Every day they wake up in prison. wondering, is today the day? Every day they're in prison, other. inmates will tell them these horror. stories about it. Oh, you were sentenced. to that? It's really bad. Really bad. You see that guy over there that's. drooling and staring at the wall? He had that punishment. Yeah, never the. same ever since then. The other. prisoners, they burst out laughing and. you have no idea if they're joking. around or if they're being serious.

Every time a guard makes eye contact. with you, you wonder, are they going to. call my name? Is it time for my. punishment? One prisoner says, "Each and every day. in prison, you sleep, you wake up, and. you worry. I waited 3 months before it. happened to me. 3 months, I was just. waiting.". And then it happens. Your inmate number. and name are called, and you're going. Today is the day. So, you try to act. nonchalant. You can't show the other. prisoners that you're nervous or scared, but you have no idea what's about to. happen to you. You and the other. prisoners get taken into a waiting room.

It's kind of like a viewing room. When. you walk in, you notice a giant window. that looks directly into another room, and in that second room, there's this. big wooden structure. Looks like a contraption, maybe like a. giant ladder. And there's a muscular men. just lined up against the wall. They call them commandos, the men. And they're all holding 5-ft long. sticks, a cane. The sticks are about a half inch. in diameter, which doesn't sound very. thick, but in this case, thinner might.

be worse. Two people are escorted into the room. with the commandos, the muscular men. They each get changed into a special. padded jacket and pants. The pants have. a hole where their butts are. So, now. their butts are fully exposed. They're. told to bend over the wooden frame. Their ankles are tied down, their wrists. are tied down, they're fully bent over. creating a 90° angle. They cannot move. There's a wooden bar on either side of. their torso and one supporting their.

stomach, so they can't move their arms, legs, stomach. They can't scoop. backwards, they can't scootch forwards. They're literally just stuck there. Butts up in the air, fully exposed, skin. touching air. So, they're wearing special pants with. their butt cut out? Yeah, a hole. Mhm. And the whole point of this wooden. contraption is to make sure that you're. held in place and you cannot move. It's. one person at a time. So, let's say. prisoner one is tied up to this wooden. frame. They get positioned, bent over,

butt exposed. Prisoner two is in the. same room with prisoner one. They get to. watch up and close what's going to. happen to prisoner one knowing damn well. it's going to happen to them next. Then on the other side of the window, staring into the room, are prisoners 3, 5, 6, 7, and so on and so forth, and. they're all watching, they're all. waiting, they're all knowing they're. going to be next. One prisoner said about the waiting room. experience, "It's like queuing up like. idiots, lining up and waiting for your.

turn to be slaughtered.". The commandos then take the 5-ft long. sticks, which by the way they made sure. to soak it in water last night. That's. very important because the sticks can. splinter and they don't want that. They. don't want it to crack. They hold the cane with both hands like. a baseball bat or maybe more like a golf. club and they start swinging it back and. forth mid-air. You're just hearing. whoosh whoosh whoosh whoosh noises. The. commandos are trying to intimidate them. because the prisoners know they're. trying to show how fast they can swing.

because in a few seconds each prisoner. is going to get a determined number of. strokes on their exposed butt. They're. about to get caned. The canes are said. to be able to go at about 99.42. mph. So, to give you perspective, cheetahs are known as the fastest land. animals and they run at a speed of 60 to. 70 mph. 99 mph, the speed of a cane. strike is even faster than a burst of. speed that a cheetah uses to catch their. prey. It's swift, it it's explosive, and.

it's solely there to create pain. Some prisoners have stated that even. with the first stroke, the skin and. flesh will tear and blood will start. oozing out of their butt, but they don't. stop. Not until you've gotten the number. of strokes that the court has sentenced. you. But, it's really bad. To give you an. idea, no adult is allowed to be. sentenced to more than 24 strokes. They. have medical personnel there to make. sure nobody gets gravely injured or. faints. The commandos, the officers.

administering the strokes, they're. incredibly muscular, they're incredibly. fit, but even then they're only allowed. to give six strokes per officer. They. want to make sure each stroke has. maximum impact. So, if you're sentenced. to 24 strokes, they don't want the. officer to get tired 10 strokes in. So, they want them to. get the maximum amount of pain from that. stroke. Yeah, maximum amount of pain. So, every. six strokes, you have to wait while a. new officer walks in, grabs the cane,

cracks his knuckles, practices swinging. the cane, gets into position, and then. smacks you. And there's nothing you can. do. You can't even squirm. You're being. held down in place. There's prisoners. all around you. If you're screaming like. a little baby, they're going to talk. about it afterwards. The caning officers are trained to not. strike at the same spot. So, prisoners. said that you walk out of there with. your butt looking like you sat down on. one of those barbecue grills with the. lines. The impact is so harsh that it. feels like you're getting burned. If the pain is too much for a prisoner.

and they look like they're about to pass. out, the doctor might say, "Stop.". And all strokes will stop. But that doesn't mean it's over. That. doesn't mean like that prisoner gets to. go with half the strokes that they were. sentenced. Even if you were sentenced to. six strokes, but you only do five and. you can't do it anymore because the. doctor says you're going to pass out, that one extra stroke gets translated. into extra prison time up to a year. You can't come back and finish the rest. of your strokes. It has to be done at.

one time. And in a final act of humiliation and. pain, prisoners said that they've been. told to stand before a panel of three. prison guards that have been keeping. watch the whole time. And after you've. been whipped all over your bottom, you. have to say, "Thank you.". And if you don't thank them for your. punishment, you cannot leave. The Singapore government does deny this, you know, but multiple independent. prisoners have said it is a requirement. But thanking the panel, the actual. strokes, the caning itself, those aren't.

really the worst part, either. The. worst, they said, is the recovery. Prisoners are given one round of. medication for their wounds after. they're done. There's no continuous care. throughout the healing process, and in. the upcoming weeks, you've got all sorts. of fluids coming out. Blood, white. discharge, pus. You can't even put pants. on because, first of all, it's so. painful to have anything touching it. Second of all, the pant fabric gets. stuck to the open wound, and the fabric. starts fusing with your skin. It's. nearly impossible to take the pants off. later without ripping off more of your. skin and flesh with it.

So, a prison tip in Singapore, I guess, is to run your trousers under water. first. So, the water helps separate the. fabric from your wound before you take. off your pants. A prisoner said, "If you don't do that, it's just damn pain.". Everything is painful, though, after the. caning. Taking a shower is painful. Don't even think about sitting down. You. have to sleep on your chest. And never. mind the fact that you feel extra. vulnerable in a place like prison. Like, it's a lot. Some offenders who experienced judicial. caning said it was one of the most. painful experiences that they have ever.

had. And because of that, caning as a legal. punishment in Singapore has been hotly. debated. Judicial caning is really, really complicated. Over 30 different. offenses can warrant a caning punishment. by the Singaporean government. Robbery, drug trafficking, and sex crimes are. just a few. And before anyone feels a. sudden aching urge to be xenophobic, the. caning punishment was likely introduced. during the time that the Britons were. colonizing Singapore, so there's that. But it's kind of just stayed in. Singaporean law for a plethora of.

reasons. There's a lot of historical, cultural context that I don't want to. bore you with, and even among. Singaporeans, there's so much debate on. whether this is good or bad. The caning debate has even started. international debates. Yeah, so the US had a problem with. Singapore's punishment when a. 19-year-old American was sentenced to. four strokes for vandalism. The US. argued it was cruel and unusual. punishment, which is against our. Constitution. Singapore argued that if. you're in Singapore, you abide by.

Singaporean law, just like how a. Singaporean national would do the same. if they visited the United States. The US argued it was a deplorable, inhumane punishment for a non-violent. crime. Singapore said, "Well, we do what we. want here." But there were also. politicians in Singapore who argued the. vandalism in New York City is so bad. even cop cars aren't even safe from. them. So this is what we do to curb. vandalism. Singapore does have one of. the lowest crime rates and is one of the. cleanest countries in the whole world. I.

went ahead. It's like 50/50. Even. amongst Americans, it's like 50/50 how. they feel about this. The 19-year-old American, Michael, said. he had just four strokes, but it was. really bad. When he first saw his scars, he cried thinking that he would have. them for the rest of his life. He said. when he was first caned, his skin ripped. open and there was so much blood, it. felt like nosebleeds. It doesn't feel. like just a oops, blood broke. And this. is after the US helped get his caning. sentence down to four. Four is known to. be on the low end of the punishment. But.

he said it was miserable. His scars were. agonizingly painful, and then once the. pain was over, you think you're in the. clear, you're not. It's like unbearably. itchy. You want to lose your mind. It's. so itchy and pus is leaking out if you. itch too hard. Caning was again in. international news when a British. national was caught with drugs in. Singapore. He was sentenced to the. maximum of 24 strokes. He said to this. day he has bowel problems because of how. bad the caning was. And now he wants to. raise awareness to put a stop to caning. He said it causes permanent physical and.

psychological damage to the offenders. Human rights activists have agreed and. said it's considered a form of torture. And the argument here is it's enforcing. violence. Like you are trying to enforce. law and order through violence. And. really who gets to decide something like. that? Human rights activists have argued. that the government just arbitrarily. decides punishments. For example, robbery during the daytime, the. mandatory minimum is six strokes. But if. it's nighttime, it's 12. But on the flip. side, one attorney who had been caned. for a crime before said, "Well, the. rules are known before you commit a.

crime, so it's not really like a. surprise. So I accept the punishment.". The sentiment was, "Should we really. fight for the {quote} humanity of. criminals when they can't do that for. victims? Like is this really the hill. that human rights activists are going to. die on?" That's the argument from the. opposing side. A lot of people also. questioned the cruelty of the. punishment. You know, a lot of human. rights activists said, "It seems like a. big part of the punishment is the mental. trauma." I don't know if I want to call. it trauma, but the mental torture. aspect. They don't know when it's. coming. The strikes are done in such a.

very meticulous, methodical way. The way. that they whip it back and forth, they. have to thank the panel. But for the same point, it could be. argued there is mental trauma for every. victim of every crime. And I think for. this one, most Singaporeans were not sad. to hear that the husbands in this case. were facing caning punishment on top of. their prison sentences. Do we know how many? Oh, yeah. We're. about to know. Because even during the. trial, James still managed to blame his. wife for everything. I mean, in a very.

interesting choice, James stated he. would be representing himself in the. trial, and he really played the victim. part. I mean, he looked sorrowful. He. was dragging his feet, wincing at the. remorse that he felt inside of his soul. James admitted to hitting the wives of. two of the other men. But But he only. did it because he wanted to be good. friends to these guys. He did it as a. friend. He didn't want to do it. Like. you know when your friend asks you to. take them to the airport, you don't want. to take them to the airport, but you do. it because you're a good friend. That's.

why he said he did these women. It's not. because he was genuinely interested in. their wives. It's not because he was an. assaulter. He did it to, quote, reciprocate their friendship and their. help. So, in short, he still doesn't. understand what he did. No remorse. No. Still, you know. Mhm. Yeah. And then. when the judge is like, "I'm not going. to listen to that." He looks for. something else. He said, "Actually, I. find it really hurtful to be stereotyped. by media as someone who thinks and. behaves like these wife-swapping.

husbands." He said that he was pushed. into doing what he did. He said that he. doesn't have an interest or kink in. something like this, not like the other. perpetrators. No. He said, "You know, my wife cheated on. me twice, and I did things that I'm not. proud of, but we mutually hurt each. other. And her betrayal, cheating on. him, was the reason that he did what he. did. It contributed to his actions." He. said, "The shocking discovery of my. wife's affairs triggered these.

offenses.". When describing his wife's alleged. second affair, he wrote, "To further rub. salt into the injury, my wife had. another affair with her colleague." He. claimed that his wife taunted, mocked, and humiliated him, and that all these. events pushed him over the edge and made. him want to lash out in retaliation. But. like, remember, that's not a good excuse, first of all. Second of all, for 8 years? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. However, he argued he should have a. light punishment because he was, quote,

"sincerely regretful of his. wrongdoings." And he wanted to submit. himself to receive punishment as soon as. possible. He brought in letters for the. judge from all four of his daughters, character witness letters, which. thankfully were not read in court, another letter from his mom, who argued. that he was a great son and great family. man, and you can see probably how he. ended up this way as well, a letter from. his wife to show that his family wanted. him home. That's what he said that. letter said. I don't think that's what. that letter said at all. So, when he realized that the judge was. feeling less than sympathetic, James.

starts changing his tune. He starts. accusing the media. He starts accusing. the journalists and the reporters for. over sensationalizing the story. He said. the reporters were, quote, "irresponsible and unethical" for trying. to make his case about explicit videos. and fantasies of wife swapping. He said, "That's totally not what I am in. reality." He has so many people to. blame. Yeah. Which It is very true. That's not what he is in reality. He is. not a wife swapper. He is an art order. But essentially, he blamed everyone for.

his actions, from his wife to his. co-perpetrators. to even netizens and the press. He even. argued with the judge that netizens and. media have made it so hard for his wife. He said, "Right now, oh, get this." What. is it? Go Wow. He said this with his full chest. He. said, "Right now, my main concern is the. safety of my wife as well as my. children. So, I would like to seek your. honor's consideration in putting me to. go for legal assessment and diagnosis of. what's really going on in my mind.".

He's basically saying, "Look, I'm going. to get some therapy. Can you just like. let me out so I can protect my wife?". Netizens were shocked because he is the. danger to his wife. What are you saying. right now? One comment read, "Don't you. just love it when these disgusting. criminals whine about how people treat. or view them? They whine about injustice. they receive and yet they're the ones. who got themselves there in the first. place because of the disgusting things. they do to other people." Another.

comment reads, "His legal arguments are. so dumb. At this point, he's a danger to. himself.". When all of these things didn't work. out, he starts pulling out psychiatric. findings. He said he was diagnosed to be. addicted to sex. To be more precise, he. and his therapist agreed that he would. he had compulsive sexual behavior, which. I think is a wild argument to make. Like. sex addiction is real. How is that. relevant? It's not an excuse nor a. mitigating factor for a crime. So, just. to clarify, this is a very real. diagnosis that can have big impact on.

people's lives. It's described as an. intense focus on fantasies or urges or. behaviors. in a pattern of failure to control such. impulses, which ultimately result in. repetitive negative sexual behavior. Okay. That doesn't impact anything that. he did and it it just doesn't make. sense. I mean, first of all, the. prosecutors don't even believe that he. has that diagnosis. And second of all, they argued, "Even if he has it, all. that is is a person who claims they're. addicted to sex and all that means is he. has a high sex drive, which honestly.

could be argued it makes him more. dangerous to be a free man.". The judge seemed to agree. Now, side note. James would then go on. to make more arguments. He's like, "Judge, before you decide, I have low self-esteem. I have self-doubt in my masculinity and. those were contributing factors to why I. did what I did.". Nobody cared because those things do not. impair judgment or decision-making. capabilities. And considering all the aggravating.

factors for these specific crimes, like. nobody had sympathy. There was. significant planning and premeditation, the victim's vulnerability, exposure to. risk of sexual disease and unwanted. pregnancies, violation of the sanctity. of the victim's home, recording and. dissemination of the incident, betrayal. of trust and abuse of trust. The judge. said, "James does not appear to have. fully understood the gravity of his. offenses. Although he's indicated that. he wishes to own up and take. responsibility and accept the punishment. that's due, I could not ignore the fact that all the. written pleas were all just self-serving.

attempts to deflect responsibility and. shift blame to others, particularly his. co-accused. Most regrettably, the. accused has resorted to a form of victim. blaming, suggesting that there's a. reason for his offending." Yeah. The. judge pointed out that James himself had. affairs. So, what are you on this high. sensitive horse about? You too cheated. on your wife before any of this. happened. You cheated first while she. was pregnant. Mhm. The judge also noticed that James was. trying to downplay the seriousness of. his offenses by claiming that he was. unfairly labeled as a sexual predator.

The judge was over it. Jennifer, his wife, said in an impact. that she felt hurt, angry, disappointed, and overwhelmed with a sense of. betrayal. She expressed that she had. dark thoughts and thought at one point. she would be better off dead than have. to deal with this. She said, "I kept thinking about how. cruel he was to do this to me.". She said at first she thought it was. just one person that had assaulted her. But more and more started to come out. and likely her brain went into. self-protection mode and started to.

block everything out because she said. that slowly I chose not to feel anything. about it. I wanted to focus my energy to. take care of my children and family. So, I just became numb. Kevin's wife said. something similar. She said she felt. like dying but tries to manage her. emotions by not thinking about it and. just blocking it out. Which side note, many of the wives chose. to stay married to their husbands. And. Mhm. Yeah. Before we judge, I do I do. think that there's a lot of reasons why. Even if we can agree it's maybe not the.

best choice. I don't think judgement is. the solution. One Redditor has stated very eloquently, and this is speculation, we'll never. really know why they chose to stay, nor. do we have the right to know, but the. Redditor stated, "There's so many. nuances behind abuse that us internet. bystanders don't see. The abuse begins. from the very beginning of the. relationship, creating a dependence on. the abuser, socially, financially, emotionally, and psychologically. That. dependence, [music] it's takes a very. long time to go away. It's not as simple.

as walking away. What the victims need. is supportive network of friends and. family that are willing to forgive them. and for whatever hurt they've caused. because of their toxic relationships. And that's the first step of healing and. recovering a damaged psyche.". Yeah. Redditor commented, "This is. beyond getting angry and walking away. The couple's lives are so intertwined. and we're looking at couples who've been. married for decades, maybe some of them. financially depend on their husbands, they've got multiple children, and on. top of that, they're going through all.

these complex feelings, which is so. difficult to process. Maybe they feel. the need to keep it a secret, maybe they. feel the need to process the emotions. first before they do something. life-changing.". Yeah. Like I I just listen to the way James. handles himself in court. Like let's say. he didn't even do anything illegal. Just. imagine that's your husband for 10. years. Yeah. Or level of psychological abuse she's. probably been through where he nothing. is his fault, it's always your fault. If. I hurt your feelings, it's because you.

hurt mine first. Yeah. Like it's crazy how he talks about. his wife in court. Yeah. So, the men though, of course they. use their wife staying as the best legal. strategy ever. Of course they did. Larry. is one of the guys, right? Larry's attorney even argued that Larry. and his wife have a good relationship. now, so the judge should take that into. consideration. Side note about Larry, Larry's wife. actually caught him doing all of this. She woke up while she was being. Let me take it back. September 1st,

2017, Larry was sharing a glass of wine. with his wife, Lucy. And he's all up in. this little circle of crimes. And of. course, he spikes Lucy's drink, and he's. so excited. This is the first time that. he's bringing his wife into the. equation. He had already assaulted. Jennifer, and he had been consuming all. the videos and photos shared in the. group chat between the husbands, but he. had never gotten his own wife involved. He made sure that she was knocked out. And following the others, he blindfolded. his wife, dragged her unconscious body. to the bed. He texted his colleague, so.

not a random man he met on the internet, his work colleague, Parker, and told. him, "It's time. Come over. Lucy is, quote, ready for you." Parker would. claim that he had no clue that Lucy was. going to be drugged up when he showed. up. He said that Larry started confiding. in him at work that Lucy wanted to have. a threesome. That's his argument. I. don't know if I believe it. Take it with. a grain of salt. Okay, Parker shows up. Unconscious. wife laying on the bed. Like, what are you talking about? You're. committing a crime. Right. What does he.

do? He takes off his clothes and starts. performing unsolicited sexual acts on. Lucy. But he's like, "Oh, no, I thought. she consented." It's dumb, right? Yeah. Yeah. And he did not use protection. None of these guys did. Thankfully, Parker could not fully assault Lucy. because he had erectile dysfunction. So, he could not maintain the right. faculties to do so, but he did continue. to molest her. And that's when she. started moving around. She started. grumbling, felt a man on her, so she. gets up, takes off her blindfold. Parker's running with his He's like. grabbing his clothes from the ground,

running out the door at this point. Lucy's seeing this, like there is a. strange man running out the door. Her. husband doesn't seem startled. She's. putting two and two together. She's. piecing it together. She confronts her. husband, Larry, who's just like, "Yeah, it happened." He confesses to. everything. Lucy forces Larry to write a confession. letter, demands Larry to get his. co-worker, Parker, to write a confession. letter. And she just wants to know what happened. that night. She wanted to know the. truth. It is unknown if Larry's wife, Lucy, went to the police with the confessions.

But Larry argued later in court that. they should go easy on him because he. and his wife were good now. Larry would get 13 years and 6 months in. prison for his crimes. And zero. zero cane stripes. Because Larry. is 50. And there is an interesting law. that you have to be a man under 50 to be. struck with a cane. by the court. Parker, the colleague who. came to assault Larry's wife, Lucy, but. couldn't successfully maintain his.

faculties, he pled guilty and was only given 3. years in prison. A lot of netizens felt. like this wasn't enough. His whole thing. was that he actually didn't end up. following through with the assault with. Lucy. Like that was his argument. Well, I didn't actually assault her. But. netizens argue, yeah, it wasn't a. choice, though. It's not because you. were a good person. It like It wasn't a. choice. You literally couldn't. And then we have the others. Kevin, the. man who drugged his wife, Kathy, and. facilitated her assaults, he was given. 22 years and 20 cane strokes. Matt, the.

man who helped drug his ex-wife, Mary, and facilitated her assault, he was. sentenced to 20 years in prison and 20. cane strokes. And Nick, Nick is the food. delivery driver that assaulted Jennifer. His attorney took another interesting. approach. These attorneys are all. unhinged, I'm telling you, okay? They. argued that Nick was the only one. without a wife. So he should get a lesser sentence. because. he his does not have the aggravated. additional aspect of abuse of trust. Since, you know, these weren't his wives. and he didn't get his own wife involved.

But the prosecutors looked at him and. they said, yeah, no, that doesn't make. sense. Nick is not married. It's not. possible for him to even offer up a wife. to be assaulted. Offer up. So it. shouldn't be a mitigating factor that. makes him seem more empathetic. Surely, if he had a wife, he'd likely would. have. Again, same with Parker. He didn't have. a choice. Nick was sentenced to 18 years in prison. and 20 cane strokes. James and Owen were. tried separately. James was sentenced to. 29 years in prison and the maximum cane.

punishment of 24 cane strokes. James. looked defeated when he was sentenced. and he said he. He didn't say this, but he dug deep and. somehow found courage to appeal his. sentence. He said he said he wants to. appeal for two reasons. One, he claims. that his wife wants him home and two, he. feels like he wasn't represented well by. his initial attorney. guy so so. unhinged? Yeah, like. I I can't. [laughter]. It's how unlikable of a person even at.

this Yeah. moment. And like you can just tell the judges. are over him. So, the judge is like, "Your family's not even showing up to. support you. And all I got from your. wife was a letter of her victim impact. statement where she basically had. thoughts of death and was. The only redeeming factor was she said. she felt numb now, okay? That's it and. she's focusing on her kids. But you keep. saying your wife wants you home, your. wife loves you, your wife supports you, your wife wouldn't want this for you.". Again, still using his wife to try and.

get something that he wants. As of 2023, we are still awaiting his. appeal. With Owen, he went on trial. August of this year and Owen argued that. he never wanted to assault Jennifer. James invited him and forced him to do. things to Jennifer. He never wanted this. to happen. Owen stated he felt scared. and he only did it to get out of the. situation. It was arguably not a bright. legal move because there were literal. messages between Owen and James where. they were talking about drugging. Jennifer and doing this. Owen even. cutely named the whole plan Operation. Jennifer.

He even nervously messaged James, like, "What if we're caught?" So, clearly he. knew. He was convicted and he will be. sentenced January of 2024. He is facing. 20 years in prison with a fine or caning. punishment. The judge presiding over this case said. it was, quote, one of the most. astonishing and atrocious cases of. sexual assault ever come before this. court. Many victims are able to lean on family. members, including their husbands, to. deal with the aftereffects of trauma. after an assault like this. But these.

women cannot do that. because it was their husbands that did. this. It is such a gross betrayal of trust, the prosecutors on this case stated. When a woman enters into a marriage, she. entrusts herself to her husband. She. trusts that the man who sleeps beside. her will not harm her as she sleeps. She. trusts that in sickness her husband, the. father of her children, will not poison. her with drugs passed off as medicine. She trusts that her husband will keep. private their most intimate sexual. moments together. Instead, the men. breached their wives' trust on every.

front. Netizens commented, "The law must. severely punish them to prevent ruining. society.". Others said, "Why can't we publicize. their names?" As for Sammy boy, it is. still an up-and-running site. A lot of. Singaporean netizens want the site to be. fully taken down, and they're confused. how it's still up-and-running in a. country where even chewing gum is. banned. Did you know chewing gum is. What? Yeah. Chewing gum is banned in. Singapore. It's illegal. Really? The laws are more lax now. I think there. are some provisions where you can bring.

in enough chewing gum for personal use. If you import chewing gum to the extent. where it looks like you're going to. distribute it or sell it, you can face a. fine or go to prison. Mhm. They really don't like They're. crazy about cleanliness and order in. Singapore, and there was a problem with. chewing gum being just like stuck onto. floors. I mean, so chewing gum is. banned, and they're like, "How is this. website not banned?" But apparently, it's very complicated. Sammy boy servers. are not based in Singapore, which if. they were, Singaporean authorities could. just seize them and arrest all of those. operating the website. But since it's.

not, the only other option they have is. to try and block the site from being. viewed in Singapore. But one, people. could just get a VPN. And two, they said. it's like whack-a-mole. So, Sammy boy. constantly changes the URL to keep the. explicit forum to keep the website. restricted would take so much. coordinated oversight and taxpayer. dollar it would be insane. So, Sammy boy still thrives with who. knows how much illegal content being. uploaded and distributed on there. And. again, this is not me saying Sammy boy. is all bad and everyone on there is bad.

and doing illegal shady gross things. That's not what I said at all. But, we. have to admit there definitely is a dark. underbelly to this forum. But, I will. say before you lose hope in humanity, most people everywhere usually are still. sane and logical. And I hope that these. husbands are just a small portion. But, someone did make a very grim. comment about this. They wrote, "These. are the only ones who got caught. Imagine how many hundreds are out there. doing the same wife sharing without. their wives knowing." So, what are your.

thoughts on this case? Please be safe. and I will see you guys on Sunday for. the mini episode. Bye.