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Bada bing, bada boom. >> They have eyes everywhere. For every 45. seconds that you use your phone, there. is a secret screenshot that is being. taken of whatever your phone is looking. at. That screenshot is then used to. compile a report and it sends it. directly to somebody that you know. It. screenshots literally everything. your. messages, your email passwords, your. Amazon purchases, articles that you're. reading, whose profile you're viewing on. Instagram, the things that you do on. incognito mode, it is screenshotting.

your phone at least once a minute. And. it's not like it's every minute, so you. can time it. If it just took a. screenshot, which you wouldn't really. know, but if it did, theoretically, you. have a minute to do something on your. phone that is completely private before. another screenshot is taken. But it's. not like that. It's just completely. random. It's sporadic. I mean, it sounds. like something Palunteer would do or. some shady defense contractor that works. for the NSA, but it's just an app that. you can download on your phone, a public. software that anyone can willingly. install on their phone and their.

devices. And there is a company making. tens of millions of dollars in revenue. every single year because people want a. screenshot of their phone taken every. minute. It's the Covenant Eyes. It's a. software that you install on all your. devices that monitors and make sure that. you do not watch any explicit videos. where adults do adult things. And in the. event that you do, the software will. take a screenshot of your phone, whatever page and video you're on, and. send it in a weekly email to your wife,

husband, church leader, boss, accountability partner, whoever they. might be. It's a spying like spying on. the phone or. >> they call it not spyw wear shame wear. >> Okay. Do do people know when they are. being like some someone installed it? >> Uh-huh. >> They willingly install it. >> Oh, okay. So, it's not a secret. >> No. >> Okay. >> You willingly do it. One Redditor breaks. down the Covenant Eyes like this. This. is from a few years ago. So, there could.

have been a bunch of software updates, but there are three main services. It. has screen accountability, website. blocker, and safe search. Screen. accountability being the most important. Quote, [music] "It's their patented. software that will periodically take. screenshots of your screen. AI then will. analyze it and then it blurs all of the. screenshots slightly and then you and. your accountability partner get a weekly. report with some of these screenshots. And if you didn't look at x-rated. videos, then the report will just say. you didn't look at x-rated videos.". [music] It encourages you to look at.

their screenshots for anything that they. might have missed. And if you did look. at X-rated videos, it will attach those. specific screenshots and it will report. to your partner that you tried to look. at X-rated [music] videos. The website. blocker will block any website that is. mature. So you can set it to like teen, teen, mature, adult, mature, [music] and. teen mature. I believe even Reddit is. hard to get on. >> Interesting. >> Safe search will make sure no explicit. content comes up on any search engine. And all of this data gets sent to your. partner. If you want to uninstall.

Covenant Eyes, you have to call a number. and once you call them and confirm. [music] you want to uninstall, they give. you a code. Your accountability partner. will receive a notification saying you. did this. There are over 1.7 million. users that have been watched by the. Covenant [music] Eyes, including House. Speaker Mike Johnson, who uh back in. 2008, he had some very interesting. views. He says that the fall of the. Roman Empire, okay, we know Mike. Johnson, we think he's crazy. He said. the fall of the Roman Empire had to do. in part due to rampant homosexual.

behavior. Mike Johnson has also. previously stated that being gay is. quote inherently unnatural and a. dangerous lifestyle as well as quote. ultimately harmful and costly for. everyone. Why is it costly for you, Mike. Johnson, unless you're involved? Okay. He also weirdly kind of thinks that if. we just let gay people get married, what's next? Someone's going to marry. their dog. That's literally what he. [laughter] said. It totally makes a lot of sense if. you're a homophobe with a hole in your. brain. But in 2022, he spoke publicly.

about how he and his then 17-year-old. son were both on Covenant Eyes and they. were each other's accountability. partners. They would monitor each other's weekly. X-rated video intake. >> Wait, so it not only takes screenshot of. the video, it takes screenshot of. everything. Correct? >> Yes. >> So it's like your your bank account, your private. >> Yeah. >> data. They have all of that. >> Yeah, I know exactly where you're going. with this. When he said this in 2022, everyone said, "Now wait a.

minute. Is that not a safety hazard to. the United States of America?". >> Yeah, but he never addressed it. He just. said, "Covenant Eyes is the software. we've been using for a long time in our. household. It scans all the activity on. your phone or your devices, your laptop, tablet, what have you. We do all of it. And then it sends a report to your. accountability partner." So my. accountability partner right now is. Jack, my son. He's 17. So, he and I get. a report of all the things that are on. our devices once a week. If anything. objectionable comes up, your.

accountability partner gets an immediate. notice. I'm proud to tell you my son has. got a clean slate. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Perhaps he no longer. uses it because he is a sitting member. of Congress. I don't know. But it's just. alarming. But what happens when you have. Covenant Eyes and the content being. viewed is not on a legal X-rated [music]. website? What if the content being. viewed is not even legal and is just one. of the most morally bankrupt, ethically. bankrupt things that you can do on an.

electronic device that involves crimes. against children? If there is CSAM, does it send an alert? Who gets alerted for that? Because that. is what reality TV star Joshua Duggar. gets arrested for. This is the case of. the Duggars and the three arrests of. Josh Duggar and more recently [music]. Joseph and Kendra Duggar and all of the. potential crimes in [music] between.

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We'd also like to thank you guys for. your continued support. As always, full. show notes are available at. rottenmopodcast.com. A few intense disclaimers including. religious trauma, grooming, incam, CSA, please watch with caution. This is going. to be a multi- episode series, so please. take breaks whenever you feel. overwhelmed. All the information is also. publicly available. Any netizen. comments, speculations, theories, or. allegations or opinions of netizens. Legally, a lot of people are innocent. until proven guilty, of course, except. for the legally confirmed convictions.

that we're going to get into. And. lastly, a lot of statements and quotes. may be condensed for brevity. This is. just going to be a massive deep dive. And another thing to note, this is not a. take on religion. This is not me sending. my ideological beliefs into the ether. and hoping that you latch on to it. This. is just a breakdown of the Duggar family. and their beliefs. I have a whole wall. of the cast of characters that's behind. me of every single Duggar family because. there are over 20 members of the family. and then their spouses that get entwined.

into the family and then they all have. like 50 trillion children. And you'll. see why because they don't believe in. Anyway, we're gonna get there when we. get there. If you want to know who the. Duggars are, all of their first names. start with a J. So all the J, Jana, John, David, like these are all the. Duggars. Even when it doesn't make. sense, they really stuck to the theme of. naming everyone with a J. And so 1 2 3. 4. This is the order of the siblings. There's 19 siblings in total. 19. children birthed by one woman, Michelle.

Duggar, and her husband Jim Bob. Some. people call him Jim Boob. Some people. call him Boob. Some people call him Rim. job. It just matters on how much you. dislike this character. >> What? >> Yeah. And so all of the Duggars, the. original Duggars, they've got a J in. their name. And then a lot of them, they. get married very early on, like when. they're 18, 19, 20, they get married to. the first person that they start dating. Their first kiss is usually at the. altar. We'll get in there, but they are. the people right next to the Duggar. family.

>> So the 1 2 3 4 5 that's their birth. order basically. >> Yes. And then all the people next to. them are their spouses. And then this. little number in between is how many. children that they currently have. And. people netizens love to track the number. of Duggar grandchildren. It's like a. thing we're going to get into there. Yeah. But first, Noel Berman is worth. $40 million. Or at least that's what the. estimate was at [music] the time. And. Noel is. >> Noel on the board or. >> Noel is not, but Noel Berman is about to. have a really shitty day, which Noel.

sometimes leans into. He has been known. to be the most hated man on the. internet. Who said that? He said that. He said it's all self-proclaimed. You're. on the internet. You most likely have. never even heard of Noel Berman. So. like, why does he think that everybody. hates him? July 12th, 2015, [music]. employees of a media company called Avid. Life Media, run by Noel Berman, they. walk into their Toronto office. This is. like a corporate office. They open up. their work laptops and almost in unison, the AC/DC rock song, Thunder Struck,

starts blasting on every singleing. computer. It's like when you're. listening to something, you don't pause. it. You just close your laptop screen so. that the next time you open it back up, it automatically starts playing. >> What's AC/DC rock song? >> It's like a rock band. They're goats. It's a very particular style of music. It's good. It's [laughter] good. >> Okay. Okay. So, it's just a crazy rock. song. Very loud. Okay. I mean, they're. famous, but you know, what are the odds. that every single employee at the office. last night was listening to AC/DC's. Thunder Struck on the highest volume,

and then closed their laptop, and then. opened it up at 9:00 a.m. in unison for. it to be blasting again. Very unlikely. All of them are trying to turn off their. sound, mute their computers, and then a. message pops up. We are the impact team. We've taken over all systems in your. entire office and production domains, all customer databases, source code. repositories, financial records, emails. Shut down AM and EM. It will cost you, but non-compliance will cost you more. We will release all customer records,

which AM and EM, if that were a grocery. store or even like a frozen yogurt. chain, that would be disastrous. Customer database just released to the. public. But it's even worse because M E. em I'm sorry. >> AM is Ashley Madison and EM is. established men. These are dating. websites. >> Oh, >> for cheaters. >> Oh, >> and a data hack and leak from either. website is going to ruin millions of. people's lives. And that's not even me.

speaking hyperbolically. Ashley Madison. was run on the slogan, life is short, have an affair. So, it's not just a. dating website. It's a dating website. where people go to cheat on their. spouses. They launched in 40 countries. They had more than 37 million users. And. the threat message continues. We will. release all customer records, profiles. with the customers secret sexual. fantasies, nude pictures and. conversations and matching credit card. transactions, real names and addresses, documents and emails. Avid Life Media.

will be liable for fraud and extreme. harm to millions of users. This is a big. deal. Now, side note, Ashley Madison. would even charge people extra money for. quote full delete of their profiles. Because when you run an affair website, sometimes you're like, you know what? I. got to delete and make sure there's no. traces left of me being here. They had a. $19 full delete. I mean, pretty. economical if you ask me to hide an. affair. And they were making $1.7. million in one fiscal year just off of.

this extra [music] add-on of being able. to fully delete your profile. I feel. like they could have 10xed that and and. make 10x the money. >> Exactly. >> People will pay. >> But here's the point of fraud. Nothing. was ever really deleted. >> Ah, >> and the impact team is saying, "I'm. going to release it all." Even the. former vice president of sales at the. company would later say, >> "I'm sorry. This is the company who owns. Ashley Madison or. >> Avid Life Media owns Ashley Madison, Establishment, and a ton of other weird. websites.". >> Oh. >> So, they just got hacked and they're. getting a threat message like, "We're.

going to expose you for fraud. you're. going to be liable for fraud because not. only are we going to hack and leak all. of the customer databases, they're going. to know that you're not even deleting. any of this information. The promise of. security, anonymity, and safety was just. something we said. It wasn't something. we did. This is the former vice. president of sales. Now, just overall, the way that Ashley Madison, the entire. company, Avid Life Media, was run, their. operational practices were clearly less. than great. Noel Berman, the guy who ran. Avid Life Media, he has stated that data.

into infidelity can help us make better. choices. That was like the platform he. was on. He was like, "No, I know I'm. sleazy. I run an affair website and I. make millions of dollars off of it, but. hold on. Hold on. This is really good. data that we can latch on to and we can. make people have better marriages. We. can help women make better choices." So. it's only now with the advent of a site. like mine that you can look at huge. data. That's really robust. That's. really interesting. And so for the first.

time we get a chance to see what. society's behaving like. And so that's. really interesting to me. >> He says the day after Valentine's Day, it's a real real slippery slope for when. people have affairs. So maybe the day. before you want to step up and play. differently. Let's take this data and. make it more consumable and give people. a better road map to navigate at least. the infidelity components of marriage. Wait, what does Valentine's Day have? What is he trying to say? >> So, he's saying lots of people get up on. Ashley Madison after the day after. Valentine's Day. They're signing up. They're paying extra money for fees. They're messaging people. And he's.

saying it's because probably during. Valentine's Day, you didn't get what you wanted. So, he's. saying, "Now, what can we do with this. data?" Probably women, listen up. You. guys should be hotter for Valentine. That's the vibe he's giving. >> And the busiest day for affairs is. Monday. And they like to say it's. because the expectations of the weekend. were not met. So maybe up it on the. weekends. Weirdly putting blame on the. partners that are being cheated on. rather than the cheating partners. But. like what do you expect from the person.

who runs Ashley Madison? Noel Berman has. just been known for some saying some. very weird questionable depressing. things. He was asked by USA Today. You. have made the argument that monogamy is. a failed experiment and infidelity is. the way of the future. How can you say. cheating helps a marriage? Infidelity. has always been amongst us. It just. happened to be the dominion of men for. the most part. What I hear from the. women in particular on my site and even. the men is, "I love my partner. I.

cherish my kids. I can't stand what. doesn't happen in the bedroom." Most. people are not willing to give it all up. for a one night stand of an encounter. What I'm saying is majority of people. having affairs are looking to preserve. their marriage, not leave it. People pursue affairs because they don't. want to leave their marriage. They want. to have their cake and eat it too. I. acknowledge that. I'm not suggesting it. helps the dynamic between the two. individuals, but it might help them stay. within the institution of marriage. >> What if people are having affairs to.

stay married? What if they love their. children, their partner, their extended. family, their economic situation? They're struggling with one element. which is monogamy. So what if they don't. want to leave but want to break with. monogamy? I think people unfortunately. stray long before we create Ashley. Madison. And so there's a lot of. shooting the messenger but we're just. you know fulfilling a void that exists. in the marketplace. >> Also in the event that this information. is not saddening enough he says one of. the more important groupings we have. found on Ashley Madison is the first. time affair seeker 3 to four years into.

a marriage typically and there's a real. correlation factor with pregnancy. [music] Yes, men look tostray 3 to four. years into a marriage. It coincides very. directly with that first child on the. scene. >> Essentially, men start cheating on their. wives because she is pregnant and. exhausted from creating a human life and. then continue to cheat on their wives. now because the wives are now exhausted. from single-handedly caring for and. raising that life that she just birthed. out of her body. Don't you love data? And Noel Berman ran a website that. clearly exploited such data by. encouraging mostly men to have affairs.

Now, side note, Noel Berman, I will say. he did have access to some weird. information that I don't know how. accurate it is. I don't know if any of. the conclusions coming from said data is. important to anything. I'm not entirely. sure. He just like dropped random. nuggets of statistics here and there and. I'm just going to drop it for you. It. turns out that at least among our users, that's what he says, it seems to be the. more women they are in a family, so the. more daughters they have or the more. sisters a man has, the more. unfaithfulness there is. They also study.

cheating astrological signs. Their. finding is Pisces men and Gemini women. are the least faithful on their website. And ultimately Noel says, "But is it. really my fault?" Yeah, I am the most. hated man on the internet, but if I shut. down Ashley Madison tomorrow, do you. intellectually genuinely believe that a. single affair will not take place? You're shooting the messenger. This is. societal life. >> So what happened with the whole hacking. leaking situation from the Monday? >> Yeah. So they they get that, you know, leak. They're like, "We've got all your.

customer databases. We're about to leak. it. >> Shut down Ashley Madison and shut down. established men." And um they don't they. don't. So then it gets leaked. >> It gets leaked and it's an implosion. where and someone on this board is. involved in this leak. Okay. Now, but. because everything must come back to. this as always, Noel Berman was in the. Epstein files. He was being introduced. by a third party who emails Jeffrey. Epstein and Noel writing, "Hi Jeffrey, I.

hope all is well. I want to introduce. you to Noel Berman who was the CEO of. Ashley Madison and is now experiencing. some of the downsides of their scandal. I was hoping that when Noel is next in. New York that the two of you could meet. and maybe you could help him think about. life after a scandal." And in general, I. hope all is well. Irrationally yours, Dan. Irrational indeed. Dan. Okay. But why was Avid Life Media. targeted by this impact team of. anonymous hackers? >> Wait, wait, wait. Why is Noel trying to. get connected with Epstein? [laughter].

>> Yeah, we don't know. It doesn't seem. like they met. There's like a few back. and forth emails that I could find. I. mean, there's no definitive response of. if they did meet or did not meet, but. there's no confirmative email of like, "Hey, so nice to meet you.". >> But why was Avid Life Media targeted by. this anonymous hacking team? Is it just. a bunch of scorned spouses who hate. infidelity with a fire burning passion. and want to get rid of any safe space. for the offenders and also have hacking. experience? Valid reason enough, but there is a lot.

more to it. Avid Life Media, let's start. with Ashley Madison. That's like their. bread and butter. This is their staple. website. This is where they make the. most money. This is the website that. helps cheaters have discreet affairs. It's free for women to sign up like most. clubs and it's predominantly aimed at. straight people. But they also have. established men, the other website. targeted by the hackers. It's. essentially a sugar daddy website. supposedly to connect older wealthy men. with young women both wanting quote.

unquote mutually beneficial arrangements. with it basically advertising female. members are young and beautiful and. mostly in their 20s and 30s. These women. are looking for older and richer male. partners. [music] Men who can afford to. give them expensive gifts and monetary. support. Then you have the counterpart. of that which was cougar life. Older. women with younger men [music] which. they called cougars and cubs. They had. arrangement finders, another sugar daddy. website but more emphasis on direct and. explicit transactional nature of it.

Broke college girls self-explanatory. They also had like a few smaller niche. websites. But these are not just morally. bankrupt sites. [music] It's been. reported that Avid Life Media employees. would actively recruit escorts to join. their sites like Arrangement Finders. And they had emails internally where. they were discussing how they were going. to grab foreign young women, smuggle. them into the US, bypassing immigration. to sign them up for these websites, which would very loosely could very. loosely be defined as human trafficking,

sex trafficking. >> International too. I'm not saying that. they did this, but I'm just saying they. were coming up with ways of like, well, how would we lie to immigration. authorities about it? Which I feel like. you're already trying to commit the. crime. But this threat that shows up on. the employees computers reads, "Avid. Life Media runs Ashley Madison, the. internet's number one cheating site for. people who are married or in a. relationship to have an affair. ALM also. runs Established Men, a prostitution. human trafficking website for rich men. to pay for sex." Trevor, ALM's CTO,

chief technology officer, once said. protection of personal information was. his biggest critical success factor. And. quote, "I would hate to see our systems. hacked and the leak of personal. information." Well, Trevor, welcome to. your worst nightmare. We are the. impact team. So, they threaten Avid Life. Media. Shut it down or we're leaking. everything. They don't shut it down and. they leak everything. And this is back.

in 2015. You had random housewives going. on looking for their husband's email. addresses. You had journalists going in. typing in every.gov email address, typing in all the celebrities email. addresses. It was an implosion of. The damage was done. Profiles, billing. information, addresses, full government. names, messages are all exposed to the. public. And the expose aspect is. multifaceted with this one. Like you. obviously have the cheaters being. exposed, but you also have Ashley. Madison being exposed. And not just for.

their god-awful security measures that a. 5-year-old could probably vibe code. these days. One of the main things being. exposed was the fact that Ashley Madison. created more than 70,000 female bots. They had bots and these bots were. supposed to contact men. Basically. tricking men that they were talking to a. woman who wanted to sleep with them, but. they were just talking to a line of. code. >> That makes sense. >> Yeah. Because what woman is signing up. for this website, if a woman wants to. have an affair, she could probably just. go to the grocery store. In the US.

alone, there were 19 million profiles. and 16 million of them were men. [laughter] So, who the hell are they. talking to? It's not a local woman in. their area who's hot and horny, okay? It's a bot. And the coders would even. sit there coming up with their best. lines to entice the paying men who want. to have affairs. And these are a bunch. of dude coders because you can tell. >> So, this is before like Chad GBT times. Yeah, >> because today. >> Yeah. And so they're writing to them, hm, when I was younger, I used to sleep.

with my friend's boyfriends. This is. like a female bot messaging husbands. When I was younger, I used to sleep with. my friends boyfriends. I guess old. habits die hard. Although I could never. sleep with their husbands. I'm [music] sexy, discreet, and always. up for a kinky chat. would also love to. meet up in person if we get to know each. other and think there might be a good. connection. Which then would push a lot. of male users to purchase the $250. guaranteed affair premium, which then. passes that customer along to a third.

party affiliate who either provides a. real person for the guy to chat to, which is usually not what happens, or. they just straight up connect him with. an escort service because a guaranteed. affair is a guaranteed affair. And. because of the bots's god-awful. messages, there are internal reports. that Ashley Madison was pondering the. idea of paying human women to engage. with the men if a woman engaged with a. man within 20 to 30 minutes of him. buying credits so he could message more. so he could connect with more women. She. can be credited with 5% of the profit.

They never executed this thought, but. they thought about it, which is telling. They also um did previously get sued by. a former employee who alleges that she. was hired to create 1,000 fake female. profiles within three weeks to make men. think that there were more women willing. to cheat than there actually was. The. suit alleged that she heard her wrist by. typing to get so many profiles done, stating she became quote severely. disabled. The company responded at the. time by referencing a picture of her jet. skiing, saying an unlikely activity for. someone who was allegedly suffering. serious injury to her wrist. Oh, and. allegedly they were working on an app.

called What's Your Wife Worth? This app. would let men submit pictures of their. wife and others would rate them. And. with that, a dollar amount would be. generated for how much men likely would. be willing to spend for a one night. stand with your wife. >> They made that or they were thinking. about making that. >> They were thinking about it. Noel Bman. was really excited about it, but he. didn't like the the developers on it. He. said the website interface the user. experience was. >> I just cannot imagine how many customers.

there would be for someone. >> So many customers there have been. >> you will expose yourself for. >> Yes. But there have been so many Reddit. threads where people post explicit. photos of their wives, their girlfriends. and those get shut down. There have been. so many weird Oh, there was like a. entire. forum community of people talking about. how to drug their wives and partners so. that they could bring in other people to. our word them.

>> So, I'm assuming that the demographic. the. market cap would be large. >> During the hack, it is also revealed. that the CEO of Avid Life Media, Noel, sought young escorts, which like why is. that a scandal? I mean, it would seem. like something that would happen. And. everyone just assumed that this man is. in an open relationship with his wife. whom he shares children with. But not at. all. His wife has publicly stated before. the hack. I'm sure most people assume. that because of what Noel does, we must. be in an open relationship. But this is. absolutely untrue. She states that she.

would be entirely heartbroken if she. discovered Noel being unfaithful. We. have such a great relationship and are. open about our needs that it would. really come as a big surprise. She says. that she supports her husband's career, though, because he looks like a villain. trying to tear apart relationships, that. he's okay with infidelity. But in. reality, all he's doing is bringing. light to something people turn a blind. eye to. He's not afraid to ask really. tough questions. I imagine that she was. the one asking tough questions when the. affair was brought to light in the hack, and a lot of people were actually asking.

a lot of tough questions. Hunter Biden. was named in the leak to which he denied. all involvement and stated that someone. else clearly made an account using his. email which side note there is no email. verification needed. So that could be. very well true. But Hunter Biden is not. particularly known as someone who. doesn't have affairs. His most notorious. affair being that with his own. sister-in-law after his brother passed. from brain cancer. There's that. The. >> Yeah. The Yeah, that was a whole thing. in the Biden era. Yeah. The husband of a. real housewife of New York was exposed.

to have an account. He stated he made. one foolishly with a group of his. buddies for he he hahas. A Florida. circuit court judge who was then a. prosecutor. This is the guy that. prosecuted Casey Anthony. He was found. in the leak and he said, "I hope the. public will judge me on my 35 years of. service and not a bad mistake." He says. he never cheated. He just signed up out. of curiosity. One Republican party. member was also outed for having a. profile and he said, "I did it for. opposition research. I needed to see. what the Dems were doing." a. Christian YouTuber, Sam Rider, and his.

name starts circulating on Twitter. associated with the data leak. This is a. Christian couple that makes Christian. videos where they're like, "I serve my. husband." And you know what? I have. religious trauma, so I can have a little. bit of sass with this one. Okay, but. it's all like, "This is how I serve my. husband. I never question his. leadership." And I'm like, "I question. literally everything in everybody's life. all the time. Like, you should question. more. You should have more question. marks in your head, girly pop." But he. was associated with the data leak. He. says that during this time, this was a.

very vulnerable time in his life. He was. working as a nurse and taking care of. their firstborn son. So, he was very. overwhelmed, which naturally, one would. think that the way to decompress from. life being overwhelming is to, I don't. know, take a bath, take a Xanax. if you must. But he says when life got. overwhelming, he wanted to start a. morally, emotionally, physically. overwhelming act of cheating on his. spouse. He says, "I didn't want to leave. my family, but I wanted something. exciting in my life." His username was. dirty little secret_man.

Dirty little secret man. He has since. gone on to state, "This is an issue that. is in our past. This was before I got on. to YouTube." Yeah, cuz that makes it. better. This was brought to my wife's. attention. She has forgiven me for this. mistake that I made in opening the. account. I have sought forgiveness from. God and he has forgiven me. So, I have. been completely cleansed of this sin. >> Um, I did make the account. This was. brought to my wife's attention. She's. she has forgiven me for this uh mistake. that I made. Um I've sought forgiveness.

to God and he's forgiven me. So I've. been completely cleansed of this sin. >> There was a pastor who was outed in the. leak, outed as a cheater. To clarify, he. ends up self-exiting in his garage. To. this day, no one nobody has been. arrested, charged, or publicly. identified as a member of the impact. team that hacked Ashley Madison. >> That's crazy. They didn't ask for money. or anything, huh? >> No. >> Huh? They said, "Shut your down.". >> Fascinating. >> Back then, the vice president of the. company would say, I would be asked,

"Who's your biggest competitor to Ashley. Madison?" And I would say, "The Bible,". which seems to be very, very much on the. nose. A contributor to Christianity. Today reported that approximately 400. church leaders had been identified in. the data and were expected to resign all. across the country after this leak. One. person in particular becomes the face of. the Ashley Madison [music] scandal. This one right here. As one would say, he was horny on the main. Joshua Duggar,

the eldest firstborn son of the Dagger. family empire. >> So this was leaked in 2015. >> Yes. >> And he was already famous. >> Oh yeah. They've been famous for a. really long time. And 2015 is the year. that everything Josh does comes to. light. And then in 2021, it comes to. light once more and we don't even know. if he's the worst of all the brothers. >> And that was already headline news. Josh. Duggar in the Ashley Madison. Okay.

>> Because the Duggar family, I mean, they're reality TV show stars from TLC. And they're known to be this huge family. of Christian fundamentalists who love. God. This is the biggest scandal. And. it's not necessarily because he's like. the biggest celebrity in the world. I. think it's more so the irony of him. being on Ashley Madison. Joshua Duggar. is part of this family. Christian. fundamentalists, by the way, are a very. large group of Christians who believe. that the Bible and scripture should be. often times taken literally. So notable.

fundamentalists state that God. essentially breathed his exact thoughts. into biblical writers, meaning that. every word of scripture is literally, scientifically, and historically true. So there's like a lot of different um. denominations of Christianity and a lot. of them have different beliefs and main. goals. I would say. >> fundamentalists are hardcore. >> and they're not that common, right? >> They're huge. They're it's a huge group. of people. Yeah. I mean depending on the. severity, not the severity, the. intensity of how fundamental they are.

Um it gets a little bit smaller the more. extreme you get, but it's a huge group. of people. >> Huge group. They want to go back to the. basics, the fundamentals, hence. fundamentalist. You'll often hear them. being referred to as fundies. Um, they. hate that. [laughter] Yeah, most of them. don't like that. But, um, that's what. people will call them. There's like. snark pages on Reddit like funies. There's a really good YouTube channel, Funy Fridays. She like dissects all the.

Christian fundamentalists. I love her. channel. I think she runs it with her. husband, boyfriend. I'm not sure, but so. good. Um, but this is just like one. group of fundamentalist or no? >> I don't think so. I don't know if she. has a background of religious trauma. I'm not too um well versed in her lore, but she's incredible if you want to deep. dive into cuz there's so many different. groups of fundamentalists and so many. different fundamentalist leaders. She. like dissects the out of each one. of them. >> But there seems to be a lot of. fundamentalists who do have differing.

beliefs. So you got a large group of. hardcore fundamentalists who hate. secular culture. A lot of Christians, like a lot of people with faith will. partake in certain aspects of secular. culture. They'll still watch TV shows. even if the TV shows I mean there's. differences. >> Wait, they don't watch TV. >> No, they don't even have. >> They're on TV. >> They're on TV. >> They're on TV but they don't watch TV. >> I know. It's like Mark Zuckerberg's kids. don't have Facebook. What the. >> No way. They don't watch their own show.

>> No, I don't think so. >> Wow. Okay. So, a lot of Christians, I mean, some of. them, cuz I grew up Christian, not me. like having religious trauma right now, but a lot of them will not allow you to. even watch any sort of show that has. anything that is against the Bible. So, witches, magic, Harry Potter's a big. one, and it has nothing to do with JK. Rowling being transphobic. In fact, that. probably would have my old pastor would. probably have loved that, but you get. what I'm saying. Like, it's a, you know,

if there's something that is ungodly, they don't want you to watch it. Some. people are more relaxed about it and. they're like, I watch Game of. Thrones and I watch nasty stuff on. screen. I might look away, but I still. watch it. It's just a movie. It's just a. show. It's fine. But historically, fundamentalists typically do not engage. with any secular culture with many of. them believing that rock music. specifically is akin to the devil's. soundtrack to life. Drums could. potentially be demonic. Women aren't. even really allowed to wear pants for a. lot of fundamentalists, only dresses and.

skirts. So many fundamentalists, they. see the Bible as a document that [music]. is perfect and so literal that. questioning any part of it means. questioning all of it. And once you. start questioning all the Bible, are you. even a person of faith? Joshua Duggar. and the entire Duggar family are reality. show stars that were like the face of. fundamentalist Christians for almost a. decade. [music]. >> That's why they had their own reality. show. that and the fact that Michelle. Duggar and Jim Bob, they've got like 20.

kids. Like, I'm going to run you through. all of them in a second. Joshua, at this. point though, in 2015 when the Ashley. Madison scandal happens, he's 27 years. old. He's married to Anna Duggar. And at. that point, they have four children. He. was the executive director of F FRC. Action. So, like I need to give you all. the information to know why this scandal. was a big huge colossal failure for the. Duggar family. F FRC is the Family. Research Council. Some call it a. right-wing think tank. Others will call.

it a hate group. It has been declared a. hate group, by the way, by Southern. Poverty Law Center. So, this is not me. just like throwing around the word hate. group. Their goal is to produce policy. research from a self-described biblical. worldview. The core agenda revolves. around three pillars: faith, family, freedom, which means anti-abortion. legislation. They focus on trying to ban. abortion at every level. They want to. support what they call fetal personhood. laws. They oppose most, if not all, LGBTQ plus rights. They literally fight.

same-sex marriage as if someone wants to. marry them, which is what I would just. call delusional self-lattery. They. fight, they stay up and fight gender. affirming healthcare. They push for. clauses that allow medical workers to. refuse treatments for things like birth. control, abortions, and they defend. prayer being required in public schools. And they also actively oppose the. Equality Act. >> Wait, what is his role again? You say. director. >> He's the executive director of one of. the F FRC's arms, the political arm,

where they lobby politicians. Like, that's a huge deal for a 27year-old to. get that position. I mean, he got it. through nepatism. A lot of people said. that he was largely incompetent. He. would show up to meetings late and he. had no idea what he was talking about. >> But because he's famous. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> And he's a family man and he's like the. face of Christian fundamentalism and now. he is the face of the Ashley Madison. leak. But also like just to give you a. background on who Josh Duggar is. They. oppose the Equality Act. That's like.

waking up one day and decide you want to. kill every single butterfly on the. planet. Like you just hate them. Obviously, it's not remotely the same. thing, but it's kind of ridiculous to. oppose the Equality Act. The Equality Act would prohibit. discrimination based on sexual. orientation, gender identity, and. employment, housing, and public. accommodations. They also think X-rated. videos are the poison seeping through, running through the rivers, the. Chattahuchi River of America. And I'm. like, look around. We're not going to.

war in the Middle East because all of us. are horned up. Get a grip. Okay, that's. not a problem. F FRC Action is part of. the Family Research Council. Super. powerful council. They are now a church. They just like recently applied for. nonprofit church status and they got it. So, I mean, they're just they're rolling. in money. They're terrifying. Yeah. And. um the council that he's on is the. lobbying and political arm. So, he moves. to DC with Anna Duggar and his four. kids. And even though a lot of Americans.

have not heard of FRC Action, they have. been changing our lives. F FRC action. has been instrumental in pushing state. level abortion bans. So if you live in a. state with restricted access, F FRC's. decades of lobbying, judicial. appointment advocacy, legislative. strategy, and Josh Duggar. probably played a huge role in that. Not. that he's competent, but he was part of. the organization. >> So the organization is still very much.

alive and thriving. >> Yeah. A lot of people would say that. they have strong political sway of who. even ends up in Scotas, the Supreme. Court of the United States. I mean, this. is like a very powerful organization. >> Is he still in there? >> No, cuz he's in federal prison. >> We'll get there. >> What? >> They're also like an advisory board. member F FRC Action of Project 2025. They don't just like to with. Americans. They paid $25,000 to. congressional lobbyists to propose the. anti-homosexuality. bill in Uganda, which would propose the.

death penalty or life imprisonment for. anyone who is gay or caught being gay. FRC would later state that they were. actually opposing the bill. Nobody. believes them. Josh Duggar, just 27. years old, is the executive director of. the F FRC action the lobbying pack. But. here he is on Ashley Madison. Josh. Duggar is a paying member. He didn't. just have one account on Ashley Madison. He had two accounts on Ashley Madison. Two separate accounts from February 2013.

to May 2015. [music] In total, he spent. almost $1,000, $986.76. to be exact, for two separate accounts, including [music] he paid for the $250 a. fair guarantee fee. >> His account names were ready for this. DC. I don't know if DC I'm assuming DC. meant Washington DC. Like, are you ready. for this DC? What else could it be? >> I don't know. I did have a moment of. pondering and it was not a good one. And. then Josh_the.

man. Josh the man. Also, he listed one. of his billing addresses as his. grandma's house in Arkansas. His list of. turnons include naughty girl, girl next. door, [music] aggressive take charge. nature. He states on his profile that. he's interested in finding a partner. that is down to experiment [music] with. toys and share fantasies. It's also. revealed in this entire storm. scandal that Joshua Duggar also had an. okaycid profile. >> Okay Cupid? >> That's like a regular dating profile. >> How is he so He's a famous person,

right? >> Yeah, >> but he's putting his face out there. >> Yeah, >> that's like one screenshot away from. >> Exactly. >> And he would answer questions. Okay. So, OKCid does this thing where you can. answer questions with someone that. you've matched with and the responses. will come up together to see if you guys. have the same world views. So, he's. trying to cheat on his wife, but also. like answering these questions. Do you. feel there's any circumstance in which a. person is obligated to have sex with. you? That's a question. Joshua Duggar. writes, "Yes." Are you the type of.

person to tell a homeless person to get. a job? Yes. The idea of gay and lesbian. couples having children is not. acceptable. Have you been faithful in. all your past relationships? No. Rate. your self-confidence very, very high. The rest of the OkayCid summary reads, "Just enjoying life here in DC. Lived. here just over a year now. Lots of work, hitting the gym, finding good places to. eat, and really needing to add some fun. in the mix. What I'm doing with my life. right now, I'm an executive in the city.

I develop strategies, meet people, crunch numbers around big tables, and. occasionally get out of ivory towers to. sleep. Also, OKCid has [music] this very. interesting thing where you take a. personality test and it tells you if. you're less than average, average, or. more average in certain traits. So, this. is not like an actual measurement to. someone's capabilities, just how they. perceive themselves. [music]. And it says that he's a lot more. arrogant than the average, more romantic. than the average, more sex driven than. the average, more political, more.

spiritual, more confident, more. old-fashioned. However, less. independent, less literary, less. scientific than the average, which we. know because he would say things like, "Marriage is essential to the American. family, and every single child deserves. a mother and a father.". Well, all seven of your kids are about. to be without a father because you're. going to be in federal prison. But I. digress. And like any highprofile. cheating man caught with his pants down, Josh puts out a formal statement. I have.

been the biggest hypocrite ever. While. espousing faith and family values, I've. secretly over the last several years. [music] been viewing pornography on the. internet and this has become a secret. addiction. I have been unfaithful to. [music] my wife. I am ashamed of the. double life that I have been living and. I am grieved for the hurt, pain and. disgrace my sin has caused my wife and. family and most of all Jesus [music] and. all those who profess faith in him. I. have brought hurt and reproach to my. family, close friends and the fans of.

our show with my actions the last few. years while publicly stating I was. fighting against immorality in our. country. I was hiding my own personal. failures. [music] As I am learning the. hard way, we have the freedom to choose. our actions, but we do not get to choose. our consequences. I humbly ask you for. [music] your forgiveness. Please pray. for my precious wife Anna and our family. during this time. Joshua Duggar, Jim, Bob, and Michelle, his parents [music]. come out with this statement. When we. learned of this late last night, our.

hearts were broken. As we continue to. place our trust in God, we ask for your. prayers [music] for Josh, Anna, his. wife, our grandchildren, and our entire. family. Joshua Duggar's wife, Anna Duggar, whom. a lot of people felt that she was going. to leave him at this point. [music]. She states in an interview, "I think. it's such a betrayal for a spouse to go. through what we're walking through." Not. only was it a betrayal against me, but. it was also a betrayal against those. that call themselves Christian. Because.

here we are as a Christian couple. getting married. Everyone was able to. see us get married and to vow before God. to be loyal to each other. And that. loyalty was broken. And so for my heart. [music] it was broken. But Anna will. decide to stay with her husband and. eventually they will go on to have. another child, seventh [music] child. They name her Madison. But this will be. the least of Joshua Duggar's problems. [music]. because he's going to end up in jail for. something much, much, much worse. When. you [music] think of the Department of.

Health, Education, and Welfare, MIL. Manor typically isn't the first thing. that comes to mind. I mean, maybe it is. Okay, maybe I need to broaden my. imagination, right? >> Mil Manor. TLC is the reality show. channel. It actually was never that in. the beginning. It started off being the. learning channel and it was funded by. the department of health and NASA to. essentially create. >> TLC stands for the learning channel. >> The learning channel I know and it was.

funded by the department of health and. NASA to create learning material for. people who did not have as much access. to schooling. So they would be these. little educational videos, hour-long. videos of teaching people how to read. would be distributed through a free NASA. satellite to all the rural areas where. there's not a lot of school setup. It. was unsurprisingly. not a profit machine. I mean turns out. we don't really enjoy learning, especially not with riveting titles like. learn to read. If I don't know how to.

read, how am I going to read your title? The initiative itself was solid. I mean, there were regions in the US with. illiteracy rates that were three times. the national average. Like genuinely, I. think that this was like one of the. times the government was maybe in the. right place, but because money runs the. world, the parent company eventually. goes bankrupt and it's no longer being. funded and the Discovery Network swoop. in by the Learning Channel and it's now. almost defunct, right? They originally. stay on brand. Discovery Channel is.

like, "We're just going to do like. slightly more fun. We're going to. release multi-part series on. literature's most influential works. We're going to bring in scholars, historians, >> novelists to come in and comment on. pieces like Frankenstein, the origin of. species. Then Paleo Worlds, that was a. hit. 50 episode series on dinosaurs. >> Paleo World Sundays at 9 [music] Eastern. and Pacific on TLC. >> Well, >> yeah. Ready, Setle, Learn, preschool. programming. >> Ready, Set, [music] Learn. We're on the.

move. And then because money still runs. the world, the Discovery Channel starts. getting creative. They're like, "Okay, well, maybe it doesn't have to be so. informative every second of every time. we're on air. Maybe we could just like. ease into it." So, they do. They ease. into it. They don't go from ready, set, learn to extreme cougar wives, >> which features, you know, people like. 76-year-old Hattie. She sleeps with men. as young as 18 years old. And she says. things like, "I'm confident. I'm sexy. I'm loving. And I've never had a.

headache. I always have sex on the first. date. >> I'm confident. I'm sexy. I'm loving. I. never have a headache because yes, I do. it on the first date. >> You go, Hattie. Okay. Then there's. Stephanie, not to be confused with me. She's 65 dating a 28-year-old. Yeah. And. they That's what they switch like they. just start making some. >> Yeah. So they they had Ready, Set, Learn, and then they start doing, you. know what? We could learn about. weddings. >> A wedding story. watch real couples get.

married and learn how to wedding planned. and maybe they do these DIY projects to. save money and you can learn the. learning channel how to do that for your. own wedding. >> Then that transitions into a baby story. Watch real couples give birth and it's. medical and its relationship and you can. learn the health care system. >> and we can capture their emotional first. birth moments, trading spaces, neighbors. swap home. Okay, this one I don't know. what we're learning from it, but like. neighbors would swap homes and then.

redecorate a room in the neighbor's. house with money and a designer's help. There's a viral moment where a designer. covered up a homeowner's beloved. fireplace with a wooden facade even. though the homeowner explicitly told the. show not to and she broke down on. camera. They also have while you were. out, a family member would decide that. your house is disgusting, filthy, and. ugly. They would lure you out of the. house for 48 hours. A team of designers. would come in with the learning channel. and redo the room that they deemed to be. filth. It seems like loosely.

loosely educational in the sense of like. we want to be voyers, but also it was. mostly harmless and most importantly an. advertiser's dream. Then TLC starts. transitioning their slogans. It was live. and learn life unscripted to finally. everyone needs a little TLC. They. dropped the learning channel. They're. just TLC now. And they use it as more. like tender loving care. >> No way. >> Then it starts to get weird. Honey, we're killing the kids. American version.

of an existing British show. Nutritionist will come in and they'll. bring in a laptop and they're like, "This is what your kid is going to look. like at 40 years old if you don't stop. feeding them tater tots for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Look at your kid. Isn't your kid so unconventionally. unattractive? Doesn't that make you want. to scream and die?" then they should eat. a salad. And everyone's like, "This is. actually horrendous when you think about. it." Like, there is no aspect of this. that could be even remotely healthy that. we get a four-week boot camp to. transform the family's habits and.

follow-up episodes to show how they're. going to look more conventionally. attractive now with their new lifestyle. It's just like shaming. Okay. There's. hoarding, buried alive, where they would. go to hoarders homes, give them. interventions, declutter their homes. One notorious season, two members of the. crew contracted the very often fatal. hentto virus where humans inhale dust. that's contaminated by saliva urine or. droppings of infected rodents. The. mortality rate is up to 38%. The haunt.

virus now lurking in an eyeopening new. place. A [music] Texas home featured on. the hit reality series about hoarders. and now it's threatening an entire. community. >> My strange addiction, you know that one. People who like to eat glass mattresses. participants have come forward to state. that there was a lot that was depicted. that was just straight up staged and set. up and also like there was no therapy. There was no nothing. Extreme couponing. This is like a whole national scandal. That show couponers would coupon stack.

to purchase hundreds of dollars of. groceries for pennies. The show. triggered a surge of extreme couponing. and stores blamed the show for coupon. fraud. A huge wave of coupon fraud took. over America after this show. I believe. there were people investigated in. regards to coupon fraud because of the. show. Freaky eaters. Hey you, you only. eat French fries. Welcome to the show. Sister Wives, where a man has four wives. and I believe at one point they all. lived in the same culdesac and he would. go from house to house and he'd be like.

on Mondays I stay with Megan and on. Tuesdays I go to Terry's house. Outrageous kids parties. Parents would. just be spending a lot of money for. over-the-top birthday parties for their. children and just like really oddball. shows like mall cops where they would. follow the security staff at the Mall of. America in Minnesota while they deal. with shoplifterss and people peeing in. fitting rooms. Toddlers and Tiaras. followed child beauty pageantss. That. was one of the more controversial ones. as you would imagine with the constant. sexualization of little children. 90-Day.

Fiance, very controversial, still up and. running. M. >> My 600lb Life. Multiple former cast. members have filed lawsuits against the. producers. Here comes Honey Boo Boo. That's a whole other situation I could. do a whole episode on because Honey. Boooo's mom ends up staying with a child. sex offender breaking Amish where they. allegedly filmed former Amish people. leaving their communities in real time. Social media investigation stated that. that was all fake. That these cast. members were actually had left their.

communities years earlier. So, the show. was not that accurate, but more staged. My five wives. Another polygamous. Seeking sister wives. Another polygamous. where now they're like, "My husband. wants another wife. Let's go find the. perfect wife." They had a special called. My Husband's Not Gay, which focused on. four Mormon or LDS church members who. stated that they had SSA, same-sex. attraction, and they chose to live in. heterosexual marriages because that's in.

line with their religious beliefs. The. men framed their attractions as. something they chose not to act on, emphasizing religious conviction and. marriage as the priority, which. naturally drew significant backlash and. criticism. pregnant behind bars, documenting pregnant women in jail and. prisons, which you know, the anger there. was that TLC just did not do enough to. advocate for prison reform. My teen is. pregnant and so am I, where mom and. teenage daughter in a family would be. pregnant at the same time. Unexpected, another teen pregnancy show, Hot and.

Heavy, where they would document mixed. weight couples, where plus-sized women. are in relationships with male thin male. partners. But the name of the show, Hot. and Heavy, feels like the men are hot. and the women are heavy. And there's. almost always this lingering question in. every episode of like why is he even. with her when she's fat? Mil Manor, I. believe this is the one, you know, where. you had the older woman with the younger. men. But um so this they had older women. come into the villa where they thought. that they were just going to meet a. bunch of young hunks, but turns out all.

the young men that they're going to date. are like their sons. So, they're not. going to date their own son, but like. the other mil, that's her son. And they. had these weird segments where the. mothers would grope the young men's. torsos to identify their own son. >> But there was one show that was one of. the biggest ratings success for TLC. Like really unlike any other, and that. is 19 Kids and Counting, the show about. the Duggars. This show repeatedly.

consistently. hit new highs on TLC. >> I mean, cuz I never heard of them, right? But you would say most American. heard about them and this show. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, >> you would know this. >> Leave it in the comments. I knew of the. Duggars. Um, I never watched the show. I. never kept up with the Duggars. I think. maybe cuz I had a little bit of. religious trauma. I I don't watch shows. like this. But. >> yeah, I know a lot of people do. A lot. of people that on the RM team, they're.

like, "You don't know the Duggars. >> You don't know every person of the. Duggars.". >> I see. [snorts] But the show is long. finished, right? >> The show ended in 2015 because of what. I'm about to talk about. And it's not. the Ashley Madison scandal. >> that ends the show. Something worse ends. the show, >> really. >> So, this whole show is about Jim Boob. Jim Bob. Okay. His real name is Jim Bob. People call him Jim Boob. People call. him Rim job. People call him Boob. You. decide what you want to call him. >> So Jim Bob Duggar is his full name. >> Yes. >> Do people just call him Jim? Jim Bob.

>> They call him Jim Bob. >> Jim Bob. Okay. >> Yeah. Then you have Michelle Duggar and. they are fundamentalist Christians and. they have 19 kids and counting. They had. specials before. They're full-blown. multi-season show. And it would be. called things like 14 children and. pregnant again, raising 16 children, on. the road with 16 children. Season 1 of. the TLC reality show wasn't even 19 kids. in counting. It was 17 kids in counting. and you can put together what happened. there. Now, aside from the fact that. Michelle Duggar herself birthed 19 kids.

[music] and is by the internet's opinion. freakishly fertile, they all live in one. house. They've got to make 19 breakfast, 19 dinners. There's the infamous tater. tot casserole. I mean, it's it's weird. The whole show, the appeal live in one. house. >> Yeah. >> With the with the wife, husband, everybody. >> No. So the minute that someone gets. married, they usually move out. But. there was a point in time where most of. them were under the same roof. >> I see. I see. >> Yeah. >> So when the show was going on, they were.

like younger, so they're still kids. And. Okay. >> So I think it was like midway through. the show that he's the first one to get. married. And this was heavily. documented. Joshua Duggar gets married. Heavily documented. Anna Duggar is a big. part of the show. The whole appeal of. this show is it's like watching a woman. wearing an ankle length denim skirt. looking like Michelle Dogard looks like. she just walked out a magazine from a. 100 years ago and she runs her house and. dinner time like a corporation. All the.

kids are employees. That fascination. causes the show to become TLC's highest. rated program ever when it's released. The show is a ratings addiction. People. are so confused and intrigued by this. entire big family that seem normal. And I'm telling you in the perspective. of the reality show appeal, not the. actual family, because it would be kind. of offensive to say that they're. wholesome when they have all vocally. outside of the TV show have stated, well, not all, but a lot of them have.

been very vocal against just like human. rights. M. >> a lot of them are anti-abortion, anti-. homosexuality. That's what they like to. say, right? >> Over 130,000 people have signed a. petition at change.org calling for the. cancellation of the popular TLC reality. show 19 Kids in Counting. Critics say. the family's recent anti-LGBT statements. have gone just too far. >> 19 Kids in Counting star Jessa Duggar is. in the hot seat after comparing abortion.

to the Holocaust. They're exactly what. you expect from like a hardcore. Christian fundamentalist family. So, but. I think when the TLC show originally. aired, a lot of America had a. fascination with them because at least. on the show itself, they appeared very. wholesome. >> They don't talk about these issues, right? >> No, they always seem like, well, it's. always kind of like the nice southern. family of well, if you don't believe in. God, you're going to burn in the pits of. hell. But like that vibe. >> Does does Jim Bob have a job or.

>> Yeah. Yeah. So, Jim Bob was like a car. dealership dude and then later they get. into trying to flip houses in real. estate, but his whole job becomes the. reality show. >> Okay. >> He is a politician at one point. Not a. good one, but he was. >> Do they get paid for the TLC? >> Yes. They made millions and millions of. dollars from this show, all taken by Jim. Boob and Michelle Duggar. There were. lots of complaints um particularly from. Jill Duggar later who writes a full book. and her husband Derek who say like. everything they were forced to be.

documented. She alleges that Jim Bob. would have her sign contracts without. reading them because she just trusts her. dad and it would be like oh from now on. you are forced to come to every TLC. appearance and they would get nothing. out of it. >> You felt that your father quote tricked. you into signing a contract the night. before your wedding. >> Mhm. The revenue you generated, one. could argue, was considerably more than. that. [music]. >> Yes. But they're Christian. fundamentalists, right? So all the. children would dress in a certain way. The girls were all wearing dresses, long.

dresses. They never wore pants or. shorts. They all had curly hair. All the. girls in the family, the daughters, they. had softer voices. Michelle Duggar is. known for talking like this with like a. slight southern accent, but very soft. Nothing. It's almost like she's always. whispering and she can barely like you. just always hear this very soft. demeanor. >> As a mother, you look forward to the. milestones in your children's lives. The. boys, they're just there. The boys are. just there and they're scared to look at.

any girl. The family believes that the. female body is a trip wire for sin. It's. like a code red. They would have a code. where if one of the girls they're out. and about, one of the girls in the. family would yell Nike. All the boys in. the family would crane their necks down. looking at the floor cuz one of the. older girls would later write in the. book. So Jill Duggar would write in her. book that it's because like someone who. was wearing I don't know maybe something. that showed their shoulders or a butt. [music] cheek was out and about. So all. the guys had to look down. >> Nike though. >> Yeah. So they would scream Nike.

>> Why Nike? >> I don't know. Yeah. And they all. homeschooled their children. And side. note, like I said, all the Duggar kids. are named with J names. So you got Josh, Jana, John, David, Jill, Jessa, Ginger, Joseph, Josiah, Joanna, Jed, Dia, Jeremiah, Jason, James, Justin, Jackson, Johanna, Jennifer, Jordan, Josie. >> Wow. >> Michelle Duggar stayed busy. She was. having a baby like every 18 months. So. you. >> I guess some of them were twins, too, right? >> Yes. There's two sets of twins. And you.

can kind of see how all of this makes. for really good reality TV. Large group. of people. There's a large group of. people who watch this show that could. relate to the Duggars. So they I mean. probably not the part where they need a. whole school bus to transport the family. to the grocery store, but a lot of. people grew up in super conservative. strict religious families and either. they're still in it or they've left it. and they're watching the show with. perhaps morbid fascination of what their. lives could have been. where there are. people who aren't raised religiously and. think that the whole show is very.

interesting because it's so different. from their own way of life, but. ultimately it still feels kind of. wholesome. Like the biggest plot point. of every episode is like we're having a. guest over now girls run 20 loads of. laundry and ooh how many cans of pickles. are we getting at the grocery store and. now we got to teach one of the kids how. to drive. It's like very slice of lifey. and as long as TLC edits out all the. parts that they're probably being. homophobic, transphobic, anti-woman, anti-diversity, you get it, then it's. going to stay wholesome. Now, again,

like I said, when I talk about their. wholesome family image, it's not because. I condone any of some of their bigoted. beliefs, and many of them still hold. those beliefs. I'm giving you a context. on how they became famous and without. further research, why people might watch. their reality show and perceive them to. be wholesome. They were literally. marketed that way. Christian family. trying to navigate the world. It'd be. like Duggars go to New York City for the. first time. And in this wholesome image, let's break down the family members.

You've got Jim Bob who comes off. originally as the Ashucks guy, like the. Ashucks patriarch. He runs the family. He originally had a southern dad appeal. No more, but he did. He'll be asked. about drugs. And he could just say, "I've never taken drugs." But he's like. the ah shucks. There's a few times I've. been sick and I've taken some Tylenol or. aspirin, but I've never taken marijuana. Well, nobody was asking you about the. Pepsi to cocaine pipeline. Like, that's. a really You didn't have to say that,

right? Then you have Michelle Duggar, softspoken, makes it hard to believe. that she's birthed 18 kids because after. like maybe two, you start yelling a. little bit more because life is hard, right? But she's she's not. She's so she. portrays herself as someone who never. loses her cool even though she has 19. more kids than most people. But she's. also like superm mom by the grace of. God. She says she wasn't always like. that before she found God. You know, she. didn't grow up religious like Jim Boob. I hadn't really attended church that. much growing up. And so I knew nothing.

I didn't know what an invitation was. I. didn't know what an altar call. I knew. nothing. She actually used to do this. crazy thing, sinful, where she would mow. her lawn in [music] a bikini as a. teenager and she felt it was sinful to. lead all the married men astray in the. neighborhood, which is not only really. confident. >> What? >> But like a very odd story to share. >> Yeah. >> They get married on Michelle's 18th. birthday. Story goes, Jim Bob walks into. a yogurt shop and sees Michelle falls in.

love. She converts to IBLP, his. religion, and then Disney becomes. synonymous with the devil. Apparently, the Duggars would have a bonfire where. they would burn anything that was. worldly and not godly. So, Mickey Mouse is getting cremated. by the name of God. >> Okay? >> And again, I I just want to make it like. abundantly clear. I think religion is. one of the more beautiful aspects to. human life in existence. Though I'm not.

religious and that probably is like due. to my own personal upbringing, but I. think that most people who are in some. sort of faithbased. life, a lot of them are some of the. sweetest people and they support gay. rights, women's rights, they support all. of that and they're just living life, going to temple, church, synagogue. But. um he's weird. Okay, so this is not me.

poking fun at religion. This is me. poking fun at Jim Boop. He says, uh, they also are not allowed to dance. Jim. Bob says, "We try not to shake body. parts to draw attention to our bodies.". So the two of them, they go on to have. their very first child, Josh Duggar. >> My name is Joshua Duggar. >> They called him the little governor. Josh Okay, so Jim Bob eventually gets. into politics. Josh Duggar would follow. his dad to the capital in Arkansas and. meet with all these politicians. He. would even later join the Family. Research Council. Like I said, the. highly highly political right-wing. group. His on air persona at the time.

was role model, eldest golden boy. Responsible, charismatic, into politics. This is the prototype for what every. Duggar kid should strive to be. He's the. first to get married, but even then, his. relationship with Anna Duggar becomes. like a huge storyline for the show. The. show leans so heavily into Josh Duggar. being Jim Boob 2.0. He's going to be a. great family man. He also ironically. sang the loyalty song to Anna during the. ceremony during their wedding. Yeah.

There there's this one scene in the show. though. Josh doesn't want to move. So. they're all sitting at the dining table. and Josh doesn't want to move. He's. holding one of their babies and Anna is. pregnant with another baby and she's. like trying to get behind him and he's. like oh. He like makes a half-hearted. attempt to move his chair. He's like. just doing this. And then uh Anna, she. decides oh don't mind me. It's okay. You. don't have to move, my amazing husband. Let me just get on all fours while I'm. pregnant and crawl under the table to. get to my seat. Then you have.

>> What? Wait. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like she's doing it as if this is a. normal thing to do. >> Yeah. >> Like this happens a lot. >> But I think the way that it's edited. with light-hearted music, I think in. hindsight, this show was really. effective at normalizing horrendous. relationships. Then there's Jana Duggar. >> My name is Jana Duggar. >> A lot of people have sympathy for Jana. because she's the firstborn daughter, which naturally makes it seem like she.

was tasked unfairly with basically. raising all of her siblings. She. actually gets married um latest. She's. she gets married in her 30s, which. nothing is wrong with that, but netzens. feel like she was forced to watch her. siblings get married, have children of. their own, while she was forced to stay. in the family home, homeschooling all. the younger kids, raising all their. siblings. She's known to be basically. good at everything. Musical instruments, gardening, the word Cinderella comes out. a lot when people talk about her and not. necessarily in like a mean-spirited way.

A lot of people who have strong. parasocial connections to the Duggars. wanted to save her in a sense. She does. get married and gets cited for. misdemeanor child endangerment. We're. going to get into that later, but yeah, later. That's later. Then you have her. twin brother, John David Duggar. >> My name is John Duggar. On the show, he's kind of the older, reserved guy. that's in the background. He's very much. hated by the internet these days, but on. the show, he was just a quiet, reserved, strong persona. Very masculine emphasis. on persona. He has a pilot license. He.

almost killed his entire family because. he let the aircraft run out of fuel and. they crash landed in a field. >> What do you mean? Like they were on the. show. He was flying. >> This was not on the show. Yeah. >> Yeah. But he was flying the plane and. they crash landed. And he also was like. stealing supplies from missionary. efforts is the allegation on the. internet. Not my allegation. Yeah, people hate him. People hate him. And he. has one of the more viral moments on 19. kids in counting because at his wedding. with his wife, this is a lot of the.

Duggars their first kiss [music] is. their wedding day, wedding ceremony. kiss, like which is great for ratings, right? But um he does this thing where. he doesn't just like kiss his wife. He. like makes a whole drawn out production. of it where he kisses her hands, then. her cheeks and then her forehead and her. lips and it's very uncomfortable to. watch. Then you have Jill Duggar. My. name is Jill Duggar. She's been very. outspoken about her family since the. show. She will become pivotal later. But. while on the show, they kind of molded. her to be the persona of the eager to.

please daughter who wanted to be. noticed. She seemed deeply enthusiastic. about anything that the family valued. On her wedding day, Jim Bob, her dad, tells her new husband, Derek, that he. has permission to kiss the bride. >> Derek, you may kiss the bride. >> Jessa, my name is Jessa Duggar. Growing. up, she was seen as the outspoken, sharp. tonged Duggar by Duggar standards. She. was the first daughter to enter a.

courtship on television. And I believe. their very first kiss was not at the. altar, but afterwards. So, they wanted a. very private moment for their kiss. >> Now, prior to this, during the courting, Jim Bob gave them permission for a. 30-second hug. [music] So, there's that. There's also a weird viral moment where. Jim Bob and Michelle go on a date with. Jessa and Ben during their courting. process. And Jim Bob and Michelle, I. don't know if the Holy Spirit compelled. them to do this, but they're mini. golfing, and they're like, "Here's what. all the fun you can have when you get. married." And they're just like dry. humping on the mini golf course. They're. like. >> Jim Bob and Michelle.

>> try humping. >> They're both like, you know, when you in. like the Yeah, but it was not. >> when you say courting. >> Oh, we're going to get into courting. So, courting is their version of dating. >> Oh, got it. Got it. Okay. >> Then you have Ginger. >> My name is Ginger Duggar. >> Now, Ginger, who has been very vocal, she also has two books since the reality. show ended. There was a whole free. Ginger movement online during the show. because she would roll her eyes. She. would mention that she wanted to live in. a big city one day. She wouldn't mind. it. She wouldn't mind living in New York.

City one day. And so a lot of people. online were like, "We got to save. Ginger." She she's the one that we can. save. We can get her out of the grip of. the fundamentalist. Ginger has since. written her book um free indeed. But she. says um in her book, "As TLC ordered. more seasons, I became known as the girl. with a million expressions, apparently. because of my exaggerated faces. People. even called me the rebel dugger." Which. was funny considering I wanted nothing. more than to please my parents. It was. all because of one off-hand comment I. made on camera about how I love the city. and enjoy visiting it. That innocent.

statement turned into entire Reddit. threads about how I wanted to move away. from my family and lead an exciting life. in the city. Joseph Duggar. >> My name is Joseph Duggar. >> At the time at the time he is known as. the quiet, nice one, athletic. A lot of. people loved him. They thought that he. was soft. He has this baby face. More on. him later. Josiah. My name is Josiah. Duggar, >> class count, family prankster. He's. notably also a rebel by Duggar. standards. So much so that he was sent.

to this camp that fundamentalists go to. where which is just like really harsh. military-esque training really just and. people said that you could see the light. leave his eyes after that. He's. generally wellliked by the internet. You. have Joy Anna. >> Her name is Joanna Jugger. >> She's known as the tomboy. I don't know. if that word is offensive to some. people, but that's what a lot of people. would call her on pages, but the show. focused on her gravitating more towards. boy activities rather than domestic. chores like her sisters. Then you have. Jeremiah and Jedadia. They're the Duggar.

twins. >> My name is Jos um Jadiah Dugger. My name. is Jeremiah Doug. >> Fans dubbed them the Lost Boys because. they barely ever got individual screen. time. They just kind of blend into the. episodes. And this is again when they're. young because Jediah later is going to. get himself into some trouble because. he's going to um he's going to pat his. wife on the head when she gives labor. and he's going to weight shame his wife. during pregnancy and then he's going to. run for public office. Jason the. Builder. >> My name is Jason Duggar.

>> Another one that just kind of gets lost. He just like builds things. Very into. construction work, flipping houses. James Duggar, known to be resourceful. So, in this pink square, I actually have. a lot of the single Duggar children and. [music] and then obviously they're. underage, but like single as in um it's. actually very important in the Duggar. universe of who's married, who has. children, who's courted, and who is. quote eligible for courting. It's like a. thing. James Duggar, resourceful helper. Justin Duggar, people say he was like.

the sweet, thoughtful one. And this is. during the show. Jackson, the jokester, his parents would say that he's like the. best jokester, best storyteller ever. And a lot of the younger Duggars, there's not much I would say like their. biggest controversies that they face are. still being part of very like rightwing. religious groups. Like Jackson's thing. was he is very involved I believe in. Turning Point USA where he's at like a. lot of their conferences. So like the. younger Duggars there's not as much. compared to the older Duggars. There's.

not as much history. There's not as much. of a digital footprint and all of these. things that's going on. and with two of. the older Douglas criminal histories. So. with that, you know, his Jackson's. classic move though would be to bring in. snakes and doors to tease his siblings. Then you have Johanna. Johanna is after. six boys, they finally have another. daughter. And she's described as. outgoing and always tidying up after her. siblings, which I don't know if like. anyone should be known for that. Then. you have Jennifer, the younger ones. Like I said, we don't really know much. about, but huge animal lover. Jordan.

Grace. People call her the overlooked. baby because right after and you can. kind of see it happen like right after. Josie is born quickly after and Josie is. nicknamed the miracle baby. She spent 6. months in the NICU. And actually one of. the most disturbing scenes in the entire. series is the producers film her having. a seizure on camera. Josie Jenna is. watching over her sobbing, praying for. her, freaking out. The directors finally. step in to help. They rush her to the. hospital. Meanwhile, Jim, Bob, and.

Michelle are away and do not rush home. >> So, there's something called the. Quiverful Movement in Fundamentalist. Christians, which the family has denied. being part of it, though it seems like. they follow the principles to the tea. These are essentially people who believe. that children are tools for God. They. invoke God's word, and that's really the. only reason to keep having children. beyond conventional desire. Therefore, if you have a ton of children, you are. blessed by God and you should keep. having these kids because that's what. God wants. So, for it like family.

planning is frowned upon. Any sort of. contraception is frowned upon because. it's God's will. Like, if it happens, it's God's will. And if you follow that. logic, you can see how forms of birth. control can start becoming demonized. There have been lots of controversial. statements made by people in the. quiverful movement who liken birth. control to murdering children. Even. natural family planning, just like. following your ovulation scandal, is. frowned upon by hardcore quivers. Aka,

don't even plan when you're least likely. to get pregnant. Like, just just do it. and see what happens. A woman's body is. meant to be a living sacrifice. Yeah. To. having kids. [music] And that's why a. lot of people will track the duggers. kids kids. So they want to track a lot. of uh internet people like to track how. many kids each Duggar child has because. that gives them an indication of how. deep in the fundamentalist religion that. they still are because not all of them. have spoken out. Does that make sense?

>> Spoken out about oh like just Duggar the. whole scandal and what they believe in. >> So they can tell by how many kids is how. much they're still following this. belief. >> Yeah. I see. >> if you are a man who had a vasectomy, you should go and reverse it because you. can't cut off children. You owe it to. God. In the quiverful movement, there. are people called reversal babies where. husbands would reverse their. vasectomies, then go on to have a child. and they were known as reversal babies. in the communities.

>> Is that good or bad? >> Like they would all hang out with. themselves apparently and they liked it. Some people like really wanted I was on. Reddit. I was so deep in Reddit and they. would like I think they would lie that. their dad had a vasectomy undid it and. then they were born to join like. reversal baby clicks in churches. >> That's weird. It's become like a. religious, societal, you know, right way. to live life, even political type of. movement, the quiverful movement with.

people who leave these communities. writing. Quiverful movement people, they. think that they have the numbers. They're going to be able to control the. fate of the government for cultural and. technological ends. A lot of women that. were part of the Quiverful Movement have. stated that they aren't afraid of dying. during childirth because a lot of them. are warned against additional. pregnancies. like if you've had multiple. babies, the doctors will be like this is. not safe. But one states, I really. believe that I wouldn't die unless God. willed that I die and if he did, then I. would accept that. It's a pretty. controversial movement considering it. leads families to have a lot of children.

that they cannot feasibly care for. emotionally, physically, financially. A. lot of people in the quer movement are. living in poverty. There's food. scarcity. The children are growing up. hungry and anxious. But a lot of them. argue if God wants you to have a certain. number of kids, he will find a way for. you to provide for them. And Jim, Bob, and Michelle, whether they like it or. not, they become the face of the. Quiverful movement, and it's really not. fair because they're multi-millionaires. making tons of money off of this reality. show, this TLC reality show, and there's.

no more food scarcity in the house. anymore. Meanwhile, what they're. advocating is leading to food scarcity. amongst children in the United States. because their parents are falling into. the quiverful movement. But the reality. show doesn't focus on that. They focus. on the fact that all the suns like they. would run marathons in long pants. because shorts are bad. Shorts are. banned. They would risk a heat stroke. >> That's really Do they swim? >> Yeah. So the girls when they go to the. beach they wear long skirts which I. think is like a pretty huge safety. concern. >> Long skirt and the boys wear long pants.

Oh, >> it actually becomes. >> Do they wear shirts? >> Yes. It actually becomes a huge scandal. when one of the elder daughters wears. pants. It becomes like a huge thing. >> Really? Which one? >> They [snorts] all started wearing pants. Um Jill, Jessa, and Ginger. >> Jim and Ginger. Not in the show, but. later on. >> Yeah. >> So, what what if they see other people. shirtless on the beach? >> They probably scream Nike. >> Yeah. And um they had the infamous tater.

tot casserole. The Duggar family tater. tot casserole. You cannot separate the. two. They didn't like invent the tater. tot casserole, but they probably ate it. every week. It's cheap. It's easy to. make. It's filling. You get frozen tater. tots and then you add like cream of. mushroom soup, sour cream, all this. You. make a casserole. People thought that. the Duggars loved it so much to the. point that I believe they refused to eat. it for like 3 years because everywhere. they went to visit anybody, they would. be served tater tot casserles. >> Wait, I'm sorry. Why? What? Why is tater. tot casserole a scandal?

>> It's not a scandal. It just becomes like. a huge part of their lore. >> Oh, >> yeah. Like they make tater tots. casserole and they love it and then now. everyone thinks they love it so. everywhere they go they're served a. tater tot casserole and then the kids. are like I hate tater tot. casserles now. >> No they they finally came out to say we. actually hate that. >> Yeah. One of them said like we couldn't. eat it for 3 years because all we did. eat was tater tot casserole because. everyone thought we loved it. Yeah. Then. there's a part in Jill Duggar's book. where she says that her family would. roleplay different scenarios on what to.

do to stay as far away from sin as. possible to hold the devil with a 10-ft. pole, right? They would practice. What. if their friends ask them to read a. book? Now, what if someone comes up to. you and says, "Hey, Joseph, why don't. you read this book right here? It's got. a witch in it." Joseph would deliver his. line right on Q. I'm a Christian. I. won't be able to do that. Joseph will. later be arrested. So, there's that. All. the kids are homeschooled. They don't. even have a weather radio in their. house. So, if there's a tornado coming.

their way, because they live in. Arkansas, their cousins would have to. call them and scream at them, "Shelter. in place. Shelter in place. I repeat, shelter in place. There's a tornado. warning." They had, you know, ironically, they also had an entire. camera crew crew following them around. that would be aired to the very very. secular network of TLC, but all in the. name of spreading the word of God. I. guess look, I don't know, but the most. controversial things to come out of the. show initially in the very beginning. were the buddy systems. There is no way.

for Jim, Bob, and Michelle to raise 19. children. So, they just thought, why. don't we have the children raise the. children? Michelle says, "Mom cannot be. everywhere at once, and so my older. children help to take care of my younger. children." When a baby is born, it's my. buddy until it's weaned, and then from. there, it goes to the other buddy, whoseever turn it is to get a buddy. Guess who's all the buddies? All the. girls. >> Oh, so the guys didn't have buddies? >> No, not really. I mean, like, they. compare all the girls tasks. So, all of.

them have to pull their weight in the. house. And all the girls, they're doing. like 10 loads of laundry. They're. cleaning all the rooms. They're doing. this. And the guys are like, "Well, today on my list of to-dos, I have to. feed the dog." Process goes like this. Every doggger has at least one buddy. If. you're too old and don't need help from. a buddy, that means you're ready to take. on a younger buddy. A big buddy helps. you get dressed, brush your teeth, comb. your hair, get your breakfast, do your. homework, learn to play violin, piano, and sew. They're there to pick you up.

when you fall, and keep track of you. when you're out and about. No one is. exempt from the buddy brigade. [music]. Yeah. So, I mean, the boys did have. buddies, but like they're not really. doing much. Jim Bob's buddy is Michelle. because he still needs to be catered to. and taken care of like a [music]. infantile toddler. And Michelle reserves. the privilege of being each of the. children's very [music] first buddy. Basically 11-year-old little girls. becoming parents while the boys are off. being boys. But they also have the. courting system. Like a lot of. fundamentalist Christians, the Duggar.

family has a tendency to get married. very early with the exception of two. siblings. Most of the others get married. 18, 19, maybe early 20s. And you could. say it has to do with their dating. system, courting system, the system. where God is the ultimate chaperone. So. the rules are this. No dating, no. kissing, no handholding, no frontal. hugs. If you want to spend time. together, chaperones must be there. >> Spend time with somebody else. You mean. like a new person? >> If you want to spend time with someone. that you are going to marry,

>> even if you're on the phone with them, another sibling has to chaperone and. make sure you're not doing anything. ungodly. M. >> and maybe America is the chaperone. because we're just watching this all. play out on the reality TV show. A lot. of it comes from this decades old book. that got a lot of evangelical Christians. like in a knot where the author states. dating is training for divorce. So. courtship should be a godly thing. A. young Christian man should decide that. he is financially, spiritually, and. emotionally ready for marriage and he's. going to approach the father of a. potential bride asking permission to be.

in a supervised relationship with the. explicit intent to marry. >> So, um, a few questions, right? How do. they meet people if how do they know. who's they just walk by someone on the. street and and decide that's the person. or. >> No. So, they all h go to similar. churches. A lot of them got courted by. people they either went to the same. church with or they would have these. like youth seminars all around the. nation where people with same. ideological beliefs would gather for.

like summer camp. VBS. Ooh, that used to. be the bane of my existence. >> VBS? >> Yeah. Vacation Bible study. >> They would like starve us. It was a. thing. Um, yeah. You couldn't get your. food until you memorized a ton of Bible. verses. >> And I was like a chubby little hungry. kid. And I would come back just like so. hungry. Yeah. It was actually like I. don't even know how that's ethical, but. Okay.

>> So, okay. So, per you see a girl that. you kind of like and you go straight to. the death saying, >> "Yeah, >> I'm going to marry her.". >> Yeah. >> There is there like a trial and do I. have to marry this person? Like, >> yeah, most likely. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. Because I guess if a girl. was courted by multiple men, she's just. a right? >> Yeah. And girls get no say in a lot of. this. So, I mean, it really depends on. the family. There are certain families. on Reddit who are saying like, "No, I.

don't really believe in this courting. system." But there are also a lot of. families deep in this religion where. they say, "If God wants a man to marry. you, the man will want to marry you, and. that's God's will." The author that. wrote this book that some people would. accredit to the beginning of this. courting system would later pull his own. book from publications stating that he. gave millions of people the wrong advice. and that he's not even a Christian. anymore. So like what the hell? A lot of. people built courting systems based off.

this original book and now he's just. like taking back seats his information. He's like oops. But the Duggars they had. their own little spin on it. Apparently, Jim Bob, who a lot of people, like I. said, call Rim job, would have potential. suitors for his daughters fill out. 45page [music] applications, questionnaires, which you know what is. not the craziest thing in the world. I. feel like that's something I would do if. I had a daughter in this world. However, the questions aren't even good. The. questions are not even good. There is an. alleged leak version of it online where.

some of the questions, okay, some of. them are completely valid, like when. someone gets married, do you have any. financial debt? If so, explain the. extent and circumstances. You should. probably know your partner's credit. score before you get married. Okay, yes, that fine. But other questions are just. weird. Would you be willing to die for. Christ? If you're not dying daily, how. can you be so sure you would die for. Christ? That's then uh when did the. fruit of the spirit start appearing in. your life? I don't even know what that. means, sir. >> Fruit of the spirit. >> What was your prior experience with. dating and romance? Have you ever kissed.

or been physically intimate in a way. with a girl or a woman? If so, explain. the circumstances. What is your stance. on terminating a pregnancy? What about. in the case of our wording? What are. your views on child training, including. corporal punishment? When at home or in. the car, who does the temperature have. to be set to [music] please? You or the. others in the car? How about in regards. to your mom or sister? >> So, if you're in the car with your mom. and sister and your partner? >> Yeah. >> Who do we set the temperature catering.

to? >> Yeah. >> What's What's the right answer according. to Jima? >> The man. Duh. M what about what about. like the man and Jim Bob in the car? >> Jim Bob? >> I see. >> Yeah. Yeah. What a weird question. No. >> Like can you imagine telling my dad that. in the car you're the one that sets the. temperature? My dad would bonk you over. the head. [laughter] That's actually. insane. >> Yeah. >> How will you approach your wife or. daughters if they are immodest? >> What are your views on public swimming? [laughter].

One of the suitors counts, you know, one. of the suitors, one of the quarters. states, "I got sent a 50-page. questionnaire. I sent it back at 105. pages.". >> I got sent a 50page questionnaire. I. sent it back at 105 pages. >> What does that mean? Like, he came back. with a lot of answers. >> Yeah. Michelle Duggar also has words of. advice for her daughters according to. their book, A Love That Multiplies. She. says, "For instance, I have told my. girls that romance novels are to women. what pornography is to men. They stir up.

emotions with unreal fantasies. In. contrast, God's word tells us to think. on things that are honest, pure, lovely, and of a good report, which is crazy.". >> She doesn't like romance novels. >> Yeah. >> What's wrong with romance novels? >> She's saying it's unrealistic. standards. And like I think we know. that. I'm not expecting that, honey, you're gonna be the leader of the. Russian mafia and a billionaire that's.

going to storm in and kill people who. even dare look at me because you're so. possessive. But like I don't know why. she is. >> like it's so bizarre. >> Sounded like she read something. [laughter]. to know. >> like hm like I I don't think romance. novels sounds anything like what you. just said, but to her she probably read. read, [laughter]. >> right? Exactly. And her romance novel is. probably like the diet romance. >> Hey, you never know because some of. these guys, they say one thing and do.

the other things. You know, you never. know. >> Michelle, I want to know. I want to know. your [laughter] read on Goodreads. Okay. And from again a reality TV standpoint, we love Love Island. We love Love is. Blind. We also apparently love courting. in the 19 kids in counting because this. whole dating process is part of the. reason that the show is so successful. I. think it's the dating. It's the. fast-pacedness of courting. It also. feels higher stakes because usually the. courting phase lasts a very short amount. of time, a few months. And then they get.

married at the altar and they're like, "Oh my god, I'm going to have my first. kiss. I'm going to like have a kid." And. the cameras are everywhere. We are the. unpaid chaperones. Wait, so all of these. people, we see them start courting on. the show and they get married in a. couple months. >> and there's no divorces so far. >> Nope. >> Really? >> Even when there are crimes committed. against children, there are no divorces. like genuinely the rhetoric in their. beliefs and I'm not saying there as in. the children but maybe perhaps because.

the lack of divorce is kind of. astonishing in certain circumstances but. I think their view of divorce is. genuinely you might as well sever your. relationship with Christ. But the whole. point of this is just to get you. familiar with Joshua the firstborn. Duggar child and to understand him and. why he gets locked up in federal prison. for over a decade for [music] crimes. against children. So, in order to. understand that, we also have to know, like I said, we got to know 19 Kids in. Counting, the reality show, which I just. told you about, but we also have to talk. about Jim Bob's political run. This is a.

high bar to call a political career. It's just disastrous. Everyone holding. office, their career has been. disastrous. Jim Bob's career is a car. crash straight into the capital, but he. hasn't even made it in the car. The car. is driving itself, and he's just like. chasing after it, trying to get into the. car crash. His political career is a. mess. He does get elected as a House. representative in the Arkansas House of. Representatives and then wins. re-election, but instead of seeking a. third term, he's like, I got to run for.

the Senate in Arkansas cuz God told me. to, and God wants me on vacation, but. the world works in mysterious ways. Here. we are, right? But he first runs for. Senate, and the only issue he seems to. care for is abortion. And apparently he. hates Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton being. elected horrified him into action. So, um I don't know, maybe he's got a good. chance, right? So, the person that he's. running up against is another. Republican. He's actually got in a lot. of hot water. This is why I think he has. a good chance. So, this Republican that.

was in the Senate, he's all God is good. all the time. All the time. God is good. And then he goes and divorces his wife. of 39 years and then marries a former. employee and his voter base is like, "Um, hello. What the hell was that? This. guy is a former Southern Baptist. minister turned politician turned. divorce turned second marriage with a. former staffer who's much younger than. you. I mean what? So Jim Bob is going up. against that. Most people could win up. against that. He just doesn't know.

anything about politics. During debates. when he's asked to address key issues, he's like, "Come on, kids." And he'll. bring 13 of his kids on stage and. they'll sing a song and everyone is. like, "We asked you a question.". >> And he's like, "Shut up. I'm a family. man. Needless to say, he gets wrecked. He loses, but he runs again after and. then fails. And then he just ends up. helping other Republicans like Mike. Huckabe, Rick Santorum, stating that he. loves Rick because Rick wants less. government intervention in our lives.

except when they want to control women's. bodies. Okay. Interestingly enough, Jim. Bob very vocal about wanting to make an. incest capital crimes. Basically, if you. commit incest, you should be killed by. the government. Keep this in mind for. later. But he also tries to outlaw. anyone from under 21 becoming a midnight. ballerina. And it's just like it's just. it's like a mess of a political career. And if you think that Jim Bob has very. anti- everything values in politics in.

Arkansas, there are two gyms in politics. in Arkansas with these beliefs. You've. got Jim Bob and his very close best. friend Jim Holt. So Jim Holt is going to. be important. Okay. Jim Holt has a lot. of similar beliefs to Jim Bob. He and. his wife Bobby have 11 kids. And Jim. Holt has won a seat in the Arkansas. House of Representatives where he. co-sponsors a bill that would require. public schools to state that evolution. is an unproven theory. He's also. homophobic. He said that quote, "If my. own mother voted against the federal.

marriage amendment, I'd be campaigning. against her. Every person in America has. come together on this issue of samesex. marriage. We have the issue that is we. must defend our traditional values. He. also said for Roie Wade, "It is a. terrible decision and should be. overturned. If we truly care for the. women of our great country, we must end. this cruel and gruesome procedure.". Depressing, yes. But Bobby Hol, the wife. of Jim Hol, says that she's known the. Duggars for decades. They are all in. politics and they all go to the same.

church. They do Bible studies and ski. trips together and the Duggar kids. apparently call her Auntie Bobby Hol. It. would, you know, only make sense, right, that their children would eventually. court each other. So Joshua Duggar was. originally not, by most people's. beliefs, going to marry Anna Duggar. >> The [clears throat] little governor, that's what they called Joshua Duggar, asks Jim Hol for his eldest daughter, Kaye Holt's hand in marriage. They start. the courting process. It's kind of. expected, common knowledge that this.

>> No. >> Oh, secretly. >> This was like before. >> Oh. >> And it was common knowledge that this. was going to happen in the community and. they were just going to get married. Like that was it. No one ever No one was. like even looking at Joshua as someone. who was going to be courting anybody. else because that's how close they were. They're like two boobs in a bra. And. [laughter] then. No, because I have to find some. happiness somewhere sometimes because. this was so depressing. Okay. But the. Holts find out something really, really. bad about Joshua. Something that.

requires Josh to be sent away for 4. months, away from his family, his. parents, his siblings, and the hols. They want Joshua to never come around. their daughter [music] ever again. But. nobody knows why. >> Then how do we know this? >> It comes out all later. But around that. time, the courting just like ends. abruptly. It's not happening. They're. not doing it. And that's where Jim Bob. and Jim Holt, they suddenly become icy. Everyone's like, "Okay, something. happened." And then Josh gets sent away. for months. >> Sent away where?

>> To this like uh other Christian family. who run a home remodeling business and. he's got a like home remodel. >> Okay. >> And then Joshua comes back. He now. they're on a TV show and he starts. courting a girl named Anna Keller. She's. number five of eight children in the. also deeply religious Keller family. The. Keller family are very different from. the Duggars. They are financially not. well off. And a lot of people, a lot of. internet users and people who run in the. same fundamentalist circles say that. Anna Keller's dad is all about marrying.

up in the religious ladder. They meet at. a homeschooling conference. And Josh is. like, "That's the one." He asked the. Kellers if he can court Anna Keller. Their courting, relationship, eventual. wedding, and marriage are all documented. on the TV reality show. Even the wedding. planning Josh is all like men approach. planning a wedding. I think I'm more of. the kind, you know, I look at it more of. like a systematic process. I say, so you. know, like here's the desired result and. here's the way we need to accomplish it. Women look at it as like a wedding and.

XYZ has to happen in between. He's just. saying nonsense. He's just saying like. whatever comes up in like three neurons. that are going off, okay? They just have. a lot of uncomfortable moments. And his. dad also say it's the way God ordained. it. Josh becomes the authority at the. wedding. He becomes her authority, not. me. And that's the way God designed the. transfer of authority. And it's a good. design. So basically, women can never. have authority over themselves. They. must always have a man being authorized. for them. >> Okay. >> Okay. So like the logic is women cannot.

be responsible for themselves and it. needs to be a man. So God has the. ultimate authority. And then a woman. usually it's their dad. And then once. they get married, they're under their. husband's authority. Now, when they get. married, Jim Bob gives Joshua a CD from. like this guy named Ed Weat, who is a. pre-marriage counselor. It's a guide on. how to quote instructions on how to give. a good hand job and be available at all. times. >> Oh, when you say CD, it's like a CD. player CD. Oh, I thought it was cash.

deposit. I was like, oh, he gave him. [laughter] some cash. No, it gives like. a CD, video tutorial CD for the two of. them to watch on their wedding night on. how to give a good hand job and be. available at all times. Be available at. all times. That is what women are taught. in certain circles of this religion that. you should be joyfully available for. your husband at all times. Jim Bob. explains, "It's so important for the man. to learn to cherish his wife and for him.

to realize that it takes a lot longer. for her to kind of get in the mood and. stuff after they're married versus a man. is instant on, instant off, but a woman, it takes time." Spoken like a true man. who has never pleased a woman before. At. the wedding, Josh sings a song of. loyalty that goes like, "When you have. hard times and all the others are gone, I will be there." You know, when the. troubles have come through sunshine or. rain, when no help can be found, things. may seem homeless, hopeless. Things may. seem hopeless, but just look over. And. if you think that I'm tonedeaf, his is.

worse. His is worse. I will say how they. get married is a lot. They were planning. on courting, but Anna stated. specifically that she did not want to. officially start courting until she was. 20 years old. Josh surprises her by. proposing to her. They don't court. Proposes to her at her 20th birthday. party. And she looks uncomfortable. >> What do you mean? So, you mean like. Anna's like, "That's a stranger right. there.". >> Basically, >> is trying to marry me? >> And she like looks surprised and finally. she whispers yes. And Michelle Duggar.

explains, "Anna, since it was your 20th. birthday and you had made that. commitment to the Lord that you wouldn't. court or get engaged or whatever until. you turn 20, your daddy, you know, had. said he really wanted you to keep that. commitment. So, I guess Joshua and your. daddy figured out all this together to. surprise you." Three months later, they're married. Anna goes from her. dad's house in Florida to her husband's. house in Arkansas. And people describe. their relationship as a super fan meets. religious royalty. Like Anna is just. obsessed. She has never lived alone.

She's never had a real job. She's never. she doesn't even have a driver's license. for the first few years that they're. married. And within a year of being. married, she's pregnant with their first. child. And they later become known as. the M kids. So they carry on the. tradition of naming all their children. with the very first initial. All their. names start with an M. They're leaving. the family size up to God. So they're. just having as many children as God. wills, right? But one thing to note that. comes out during the scandal is while. Anna Duggar and the M kids are always.

spotted wearing $2 flip-flops because. they're they don't really have a lot of. money and there's a lot of kids. Joshua. Duggar is out here spending $1,000 on. Ashley Madison. Mhm. >> Furthermore, a lot of people who. personally knew Anna Duggar said that. she was quite loud and opinionated. before marrying Josh and just having. babies back to back. They thought that. slowly she started talking like Michelle. Duggar, like just real soft, toned. things down. Everything is what they. call a pastor's wife whisper. They even. used covenant eyes. So Anna was Joshua's.

accountability partner, but somehow he. bypasses that to get on Ashley Madison. and Okay Cupid and watch explicit. videos, which is the whole point of the. Covenant Eyes, but Anna stays. A lot of. people feel a lot of sympathy, but they. thought it was predictable that Anna. would choose to stay with her husband. You know, everyone around them just. spoke about it as if Joshua Duggar was. also a victim in this. Like that's how. this whole scandal gets handled. Jim. Bob, during a sermon, he's nervously. giggling. I guess you've read it in the.

newspapers or seen it on TV, but uh. we've gone through a lot of trials. Michelle says, "I don't think I need to. talk to Josh. I'm going to talk to our. heavenly father. >> after the medicine thing.". >> I'm sorry. If my son is cheating on his. wife and their children, I'm not talking. to God. My fist is that's not condoned. However, I will be very angry. Like it's. just like crazy. She's talking about it. as if later a bodyguard of the Duggars. comes out because they had to get a. bodyguard at one point and allegedly the.

bodyguard claims that he was in the car. with the Duggar group and they drive up. to Josh's car and Josh is driving and. he's also like watching X-rated videos. He's like not even holding it near his. leg under the wheel to be discreet as. per the AMA on Reddit. He said, quote, "Josh kept his phone on a hands-free. like stuck onto the windshield and there. was just like. >> Wait, hold on. He stuck what on where? >> His phone on the windshield so he could. drive handsree and there's just x-rated. videos playing while he's driving.".

>> And he's just like he knew that we were. in the car. Either he didn't care or he. didn't know. I don't know. But like, what do you expect from couples who. follow the religious semiult leader? Some would call it a cult. I wouldn't. call it a cult because cult leaders love. giving season to cis but his name is. Bill Gothard. More on him later but on. the website for IBLP which is what they. follow basic life principles they um. have this article titled should I. confess my [music] secret sin to my wife.

and how so these are for husbands and. the article reads in short yes you. should. When you come clean with your. wife by confessing moral failures you. will have a feeling of euphoria. It will. seem as though hundreds of bricks have. been taken off your shoulders. However, in a sense, your wife will now be. carrying this burden. Now is when you. say, "Thank you, God, for setting me. free. I now choose to do whatever it. takes to see that my wife is set free. and healed from the truckload of stuff I. have dumped [music] on her." Another. article says, "God clearly says he hates. divorce. Divorce is linked with.

treachery and violence in our day. [music] of increasing violence, even. among Christians. May God give us the. strength and courage to call divorce. what God calls it, breaking a covenant.". [music]. So when Joshua bypasses the Covenant. Eyes to cheat on his wife, everyone just. says, I mean, he's got to he's got to. humble himself before God. Even Ben. Shapiro tweets, the left don't target. Josh Duggar because he's a garbage fire. They target him because he advocated. Christian values. I don't know how you. advocate Christian values when you're on. Ashley Madison. Okay. But Anna chooses.

to stay. And some people can understand. given her circumstances, her religious. background, and a lot of other couples. who chose to stay together after the. Ashley Madison leak. It's not just. Christians. So, if it were just that, maybe people could understand Anna. Duggar, but they don't. Because the. thing that confuses people is right. around the time of the Ashley Madison. leak and scandal that's happening, there's bigger problems. Like, the real. reason Joshua Duggar never married Jim. Holt's daughter, it wasn't political. differences. It's because the Holtz. found out that when Joshua Duggar was 15.

years old, he molested his younger. sisters and confessed to it. [music] But. did Anna and her family know about it? And just how long has everybody been. covering for Josh Duggar? And what about. his victims? [music] And how is this. connected to the two other Duggars that. were arrested this year, like [music] a. month ago? Another one for crimes. against children. Would Anna Duggar. still have chosen to stay then if she. knew that in a few years her husband. Joshua Duggar would bypass the Covenant. Eye system that they had in place and be.

arrested for downloading some of the. worst CCAM content including infants and. children that the federal investigation. working [music] on that case? They said. it was one of the worst that they had. ever seen. There are links to some of. the content that he pulled and it was. linked to Daisy's destruction. And that. is where I leave you. There's going to. be the next part. We're going to go. through Joshua's trial and then the two. other Duggars arrest. So stay tuned, be. safe, and I will see you in the next. one.

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