How To Become Elite At Anything: Bryson DeChambeau’s Framework | FO582 Raj Shamani

Stay and please welcome the winner of. the 124th United States Open. >> Tell me what happens when you feel like. you're invincible, you're top of the. world, where you have a lot of money, a. lot of fame, you're winning majors. >> Bryson DeChambeau. >> Well, Bryson plays one of the greatest. players on the planet. >> [music]. [applause]. >> When you do get to the top of the world, I'll say that you feel alone. Everybody. loves me, but nobody understands me. You. can explain everything about the whole. entire situation. Everybody goes, "Yeah,

but you won. You're the best in the. world. What are you talking about?" Oh, but you don't understand how much. energy, how much [music] time, effort I. put in to making that happen. >> Take me to the moment where you're one. shot away from winning the US Open. You. lost your father. You're about to win. the biggest championship of your life. Father wanted you to win. [music] What. was going on in your head before the. final shot? >> So, I got over the putt. I stepped over. over it. And I was, you know, putt well. that week, obviously.

And in my head all I said is, "It's just. [music] like on the practice green that. you've done a thousand times.". And I knocked it right in the hole. >> If you have to make a Bryson framework. that people should have for next [music]. 1 year in order to become an elite. athlete, let's go one by one. >> Passion is the start. You have to love. something. You have to spend [music] at. least 3 hours a day on that passion. >> What questions they should ask. themselves every day? >> Yeah. Like you always ask, "Is this. working or is this not working?". >> That's number one question. >> Right. Number two, [music] if it's. working, great, how do I improve? Three,

if it's not working, is this the right. road? If it is the right road, then what. am [music] I missing? That's it. >> What is a belief you have and it only. makes sense to you? >> I have a belief every day that you're. not working is another day somebody else. is getting better than you. >> Right after winning this, the most. priceless possession that you have, do. you felt lonely? >> Oh, yeah. I had the trophy right next to. my bed. And you wake up and you look. over, and you're like, "I won the US. Open." And then right after you say. that, like, what do I do next? I'm in.

bed alone. I don't have my family with. me. I don't have anybody around. And. it's real moment of frailty, and it's. not [music] easy. Changed my life. My dad died in 2022. Um. And the one thing he said to me when it. was over, he was like, I'm going to go. now. I just know. >> [snorts]. >> Uh that sucks. Sorry. Take care of your mother.

You're going to be fine. That's all he said. >> I have a small favor to ask you. I need. you to subscribe to our channel. The. more subscribers we have, the better and. bigger guests we can bring and provide. you more value through these. conversations. And the full audio. experience of this show is also. available on Spotify, where you can. follow us and listen to the new episodes.

as well. And the styling partner for. this episode is Levi's. Click on the. link in the description to explore their. latest collection. Enjoy the show. Let's say someone's watching you for the. first time. They have no clue who you are. >> Yeah. >> They don't know what you do. >> Mhm. >> How would you explain them? Like, what. do you do? Uh where did all of this started? And. why should somebody watch this for next. couple of hours? >> Yeah. Look, I would say that I'm a.

professional golfer. I'm Bryson. DeChambeau, I'm a professional golfer, and you know, I've I've played a bunch. of golf throughout my entire career. I. um. became a professional in 2016. I started. playing golf when I was nine. I was a. big sports player, loved sports. I was. terrible at school. Uh I still got good. grades, but I was not great. I couldn't. remember things very well. And so, I. always viewed myself as as not. necessarily the smartest person in in in. in the world, but um. I could figure things out. I always was. problem-solving. So, I wasn't good at.

memory, but I was always. problem-solving. So, I knew growing up. as a kid I could I could build LEGO. sets. I could look at a I could look at. something and go, "Okay, I could I could. do that again. I can replicate that and. I can make it a little bit better." So I. always knew as a kid that's that's who I. was and so whether it was golf or. eventually now business, it was more of. how do I just continue to improve. things? So I think looking at it from my. perspective like I'm a person that loves. professional golf. I love sports. I love giving back to people and helping. people.

become inspired as much as possible. So. the three main things that I always go. into. anything with is I love entertaining. I. love educating and I love inspiring. Those are the baselines of me. So for. people that want to know more about this. it's you know, I'm a professional. golfer, but I'm much more than than. that. I love inspiring people to play. this great game. Golf is something and. then again, I don't know how much you've. played if you've ever played before. Have you ever played before? >> No, just once. But. >> okay. [laughter]. That's okay. That's okay. Golf is is something that.

is fun to do outside. I mean there's a. lot of people starting their YouTube. channels whether it's LeBron, Kevin. Hart, um you know, that those are. professional athletes and a celebrity. that that has just taken a love for the. game of golf. And I think a lot of that. has to do with being out in nature. You. know, we're in these cubicles, we're in. these boxes all day long, right? And at. some point we want to get outdoors. And golf just does a really good job of. of of expressing that. um. in its purest form. And then so the. sport on top of it, golf is a sport of. of character and integrity.

And you know, you're going to get. exposed if you're cheating, lying and. doing that all the time. Like it just. exposes it. You know, you're going to. move your ball and everything. So so. golf is a great uh way to show someone's. character. So that's why a lot of. businessmen love playing golf and they. love doing it because it shows someone. else's character. And it's really cool. to see it take shape. There's some deals. that just don't get done because a. person doesn't act well on the golf. course. A person cheats on the golf. course and you see that and you're like, "I don't want to partner with that. person. I don't want to work with that.

person.". >> Interesting. >> it's very interesting how golf can shape. the future of business and. entrepreneurship. every single day. It does it every. single day. And so I think golf is that. bridge of the gap to seeing someone's. character and personality. >> Fascinating. This is fascinating, but I. don't want to understand golf. I want to. understand your mindset. I want to. understand this. this elite athlete mindset that you. have. >> Yes. >> Which is which is obsession. You said, I. want to continually I want to. continuously just keep improving, and.

that's where which gets interesting to. me. Like why are you incapable of just. accepting that I'm enough? Like this is. good enough. What's happening inside your head? Why. this obsession? >> So, I would say this. I know that. if golf was taken away from me right now. and everything else was taken away from. me right now, I would be okay. I wouldn't lose my life. I would. continue to move on and I'd do other.

things or find other things to do. >> [gasps]. >> But it's a continual pursuit of. perfection. This obsessive nature of wanting to. improve all the time. This knack of how can I define find a. distinct advantage in a situation. to create as much value as possible is. always at the forefront of mind. And the. reason is because when I was a kid, always asked the question why. And my parents hated me for it. They. they despised me for it. I'd ask them, why is this cup made this way? Why.

couldn't it be like this? This would be. more This would be better. This is the. way it could be done. And my parents like, just eat your food. Just drink your drink. Like stop, you. know? And then when I got into golf, I fell in. love with golf, I started doing that. with that sort of mentality. And I try to find a distinct advantage. And now that I'm into business, I'm. doing the same exact thing. Whether it's. on YouTube, whether it's, you know, building golf golf equipment, building. sports tech, building um. uh.

you know, golf course design, whether. we're doing CPG consumer product product. codes for people. Um. this is all just starting, you know, building a [clears throat] holding. company. that consolidates, you know, [snorts]. uh, business uh, from. different uh, verticals that are in the. same ecosystem of golf, but. consolidating it into one umbrella. Um, and then, you know, trying to. excrete as much of value as possible out. of those verticals. Um, but have it all flywheel and then. have YouTube be a media machine engine.

behind all of it. You know, that whole. formulation came from trying to find. distinct advantages in every single. facet. And then I went, "Wait a second. I can potentially consolidate this. and bring it under one house. and multiply it. >> Yeah. >> And that's kind of where it just came. from. It it it it's literally, everybody. talks about creativity. And this is what I find so funny. And I it was true as a kid, too, for me. I thought creativity just came about, popped up in your head. Like the. thoughts and the ideas came about from.

from just your your sole thought. That's. not true at all. Creativity comes about from. different ideas and things that you've. seen over the course of time and. bringing them together or making it. unique or making it a little different. or this way or that way. And so, from a. creative perspective, I always say that. you have a creative nature. at your core self. Everybody has a. certain creative sort of nature. It's just that. if you can utilize it or not. If you can. say, "Hey, I see this. Well, this can be. different in this way and this will.

make, you know, this work in this in. this way.". And so, I think a lot of it's just. through personal experience and you. wanting to improve and getting 1% better. each day that has allowed me to to not. only flourish, but allowed others around. me to hopefully get inspired. Um, so, that's more of me on a personal note. >> But what that but. But when did you realize first that you. were wired differently? You're wired. like this where you keep questioning. >> Well, when my mom got mad at me for.

asking too many questions. That was. definitely something. that that she said I was a little. different, a little quirky. Uh, I would say. when I was 9 years old, I remember. playing in my first golf event. And I. know it's all golf, I get it. And. there's a there's an actual, you know, life lesson here to be had. I played golf for the first time, I was. 9, and I played my first event, and I. went out and. um played from the front tees. I played. nine holes and and shot a score. A really good score.

And. >> [gasps]. >> there's this kid, remember his name RJ. um Magat was his last name. And he was the best junior golfer in. that area, and I came in and tied him. for nine holes. They thought I had. cheated. The entire, you know, community around. was like, "No way, he cheated.". But because I tied, we had to go into a. playoff. So, we went to a playoff, and I. beat him on the the first hole.

And everybody was up in arms. They're. like, "Bryson cheated. There's no way. this kid playing his first tournament. won his first tournament. No way.". And this goes to show you that, like, no matter. how you get there, there's always going. to be people that that knock you down. >> Mhm. >> And for me, like, this whole. journey of mine, when I when I felt like. I was a bit different, was the fact that I saw people, even. though I had accomplished something. great, be incredibly negative towards me.

>> That's nine-year-old kid. >> That's a nine-year-old kid, and I. recognized that that was something. weird. That was something different. Why are they knocking me down when I did. something so great? And so, for the. first time in my head, that was when I. knew. that I had a different mindset. It. wasn't the fact that I didn't care about. what they thought, and I just went and. won. It was that, why are they thinking. so negatively about me, even though I. did everything right, and I won the. tournament fair and square? It was because.

I came in, >> [clears throat]. >> disrupted an environment, and I had. haters with it, even at 9 years old. And that mindset almost fueled me to. say, "Well, I did something that was. different and better. You know, why. can't you accept that? And so it it formulated in my head at. that early of an age that there's. something different about how I thought. about things. It was introspective even at nine. Like. I I looked at myself differently. Like, "Whoa." Not just that I was a champion. and I beat everybody. It was that people. were saying that.

I didn't win. There's no way that I. could have won. And I was questioning. that. >> Fascinating. So, usually if a nine-year-old. goes through an experience like this, they'll either be like, "Hey, I'm going. to show them again by doing this and I'm. going to prove them wrong." Or they're. going to be like, "I won." Or like they'll be affected by. it. Like, "All of this is affecting me. because people are hating me for no. reason.". >> Yeah, I don't like this. I don't No, it. was more of a How can I show them. there's a better way? >> Mhm.

>> That type of thought process. Cuz I I I. remember thinking, "Well, I'm just going. to beat him again and show him again.". And then I was like, "Well, no, that's. not right.". That won't do anything. What is that going to do? But if I can. show them that there potentially is a. better way, maybe I can I can convince them that. there is a better way. And it wasn't. that I was, you know, cuz they were. rooting for RJ and wanted him to win. I. mean, that's just the basis of it. And. somebody just loved that. You know, just. like somebody's going to root for Rory. McIlroy, who's. you know, a competitor of mine or. Scottie Scheffler or whoever. Um but the fact of the matter was that I.

took it as a challenge almost in my head. to not coerce, but to show them that. potentially there's another way. And. they can always make their choices. They. can say, "I don't want to believe in that." You. know, I'm never going to force anybody. to believe something. But all I wanted. to do ever since I was a kid was show. people that there's potentially a better. way. >> So, as a kid also you were always like, "Why are things the way they are?". >> Yes. >> So, that's the question. But is this Do. you think is this. is this curiosity,

insecurity, or competitiveness, or is it. like just fear of being ordinary and you. wanted to be accepted? >> I think it's a bit of all of it. I think. there was some insecurity there for sure. as a kid not really understanding things. and trying to understand them, but not. having it click in my head. Um wanting. to be the best at something, this. obsession of just wanting to be the. best. Wanting to prove people prove to people. that I could do it. And then I think it was a function of. personal achievement of knowing that.

even if nobody sees it, I know in myself. if I can sit by myself at the end of the. day and go I gave everything I had. that I would be okay with it. But if I. didn't, I'd regret it. >> And which one do you think is more? Is it more curiosity, more insecurity, or more competitiveness? >> I think it's more of a curio- curiosity. factor. Because I get the most high, I. get the most dopamine release. when I figure something out. It's a. distinct advantage. That's the only time.

when I feel like. >> [gasps]. >> I understand it. Let's go. That's so. cool. And then I tell everybody. I try. to tell everybody. >> [laughter]. >> That gets me in trouble sometimes, but. >> Tell me as as a kid, what were you. obsessed with which is irrational, which. is not golf? Like say or maybe something. around golf, but it's irrationally. obsessed. >> Yeah, I was I was definitely obsessed. with golf equipment. Like how to make it. differently. That was one. Uh I was actually into gaming. So I'd.

play a lot of video games as a kid. >> What games then? >> Okay. So it was RPG games, role playing. games. And I loved The Elder Scrolls. I. don't know if you've ever heard of The. Elder Scrolls. >> No, I'm not I'm not a big gamer. Okay, that's all right. >> Yeah, for people that are watching, I'm. sure people will know what The Elder. Scrolls is. But it was on Xbox. I played on Xbox and I loved Morrowind, Oblivion. They were all role playing. games. And you'd create a character, right? And there was magic and sword. fighting and and [clears throat]. all of that. And you could improve your.

abilities in different verticals, right? And so at a young age, that game. actually formed my my thought process. and opinions on how to improve different. attributes in your life. And it was the. it was the progressionary I want to. always get better because then I get. better stuff and I get, you know, more. achievements and so it was really gaming. that, funny enough, I've never really. talked about this actually. I think. gaming actually helped develop my. mindset of wanting to be better all the. time, too. Cuz I played at such a young.

age and I always wanted to win. I always. wanted to be better and I saw there was. different ways to become better. that made me formulate this opinion. around. how do I just improve every day? >> Were you always constantly thinking. about how to get better, how to get. better? >> I really wasn't until I started getting. into my teens. So it was more of just playing for fun, but I recognized things and I knew I had. to work hard. I knew I had to get. better, but I didn't have this obsession. or this crazy passion till I was around. like 13, 12, 13, 14. And then 14 is when.

it just went off the rails, when I just. started going crazy with golf. Um but. 12, 13 I started formulating and that. was when I was playing a lot of games. I. played The Sims. I don't know if you've. heard of The Sims. It's a another. role-playing game, but you're character. and you build a house and, you know, you. have to feed yourself and you know, go. to the restroom, shower yourself, everything. It was It was like this self. self-help game, I guess you could say, but it's just a fun game that I used to. play and it and every game that I played. I was always fascinated with how to. improve yourself. Just something that I fell in love with.

>> And was it because you didn't want to be. an ordinary just like every other. player? >> Great question. I definitely wanted to pave my own path. It wasn't necessarily that, you know, I. wanted to be completely unique and. different. It's that I wanted to pave. the path that may be better. Like in. Monopoly, I would I would play Monopoly. as a kid, too. And I didn't care about how much money I. had. It was just about owning all of the. the lots. That's all I cared about. I. was like, I just want to own all of them. cuz I know. people are going to have to pay me at. some point.

That was just me as a kid. I just. figured it out. >> as well as a kid, but it's just. fascinating. All I wanted to do was. just monopolize the whole game. >> Correct. Yes. >> I'll be the I'll be the mafia yoda. >> And then I realized monopolies aren't. that great, so. >> [laughter]. >> it didn't really fall. through, but. um yeah, that was the thought process I. had as a kid. >> And. Okay, if you have to choose one. or maybe let's make it general as well. because if you have met a lot of these. elite athletes including yourself,

right? >> Yeah, Steph Curry and people like him as. well or even the president I think. that's like another incredible uh. >> By the way, I've got a ball signed by. Steph when we uh. we did a break 50 here, so. >> Nice. This one? >> Yeah, this one. Yeah. It's not the exact. golf ball, but he signed it and then we. like commemorated it. So, we've got like. a Lake Merced break 50. We'll we'll get. into that in just a little bit. That was. kind of fun. I don't know if they can. see that. Uh it falls off all the time. >> [laughter]. >> It's not a problem. >> That was kind of fun.

>> So, that's all the athletes like to do. think the greatest people the greatest. athletes, okay? And I'm I'm including. the billionaires, the presidents, the. uh golfers, the basketball players, all. of them including, right? Do you think. most of them. they want to be great and continuously. keep improving because they want to keep. winning or is it because they fear that. they just don't want to be like every. other ordinary person? They cannot tolerate being mediocre.

>> Yeah, I I I can't uh comment on. everybody else, but I know there is a. bit of. I think there's a lot of. insecurities for us kids growing up of. not being enough. Um feeling like they've got to pave. their own way. Feeling like. if it's not me, then who else is going. to do it? >> Mhm. >> Right? Sort of mentality. I think there. are a lot of insecurities in us. professional athletes that um.

have. paved the way, uh but then they realize, you know, it's a self-journey. And we. all have a passion of [clears throat]. getting better at some capacity, you. know? And so, I think it's a bit of both. for sure. Uh what what fuels you more? I. think some people it's different, you. know, some people it's because of the. fear and insecurity, some people it's. because they just want are competitive. and want to be the best like Tiger. Tiger was the most intense and fierce. competitor I've ever met in my entire. life. This is an insane ability to just.

say, "I want to beat the living out of. you.". Cuz they love it. They just want to. absolutely beat you. That's what it is. It's a weird thing. I don't like that. That's not the way I approach things. But I'd never forget him looking at you. and then looking right through you like. you weren't even there. And I was. taken aback. I'll never forget. I was in the Bahamas and we were just. talking about something and some people. came up to him.

And we were talking I just like we are. now, right? Focused and whatnot. And. then he'd go over and look at them and. just like look right through them. Like they weren't even there and they. would talk to him and he wouldn't even. recognize them there. But he would make. it known that he didn't even see you. And the reason was because. for him. it was I feel like it was always kind of. a game and I'm not going to speak. necessarily ill on him. He was is a. great golfer and athlete and whatnot, but. to get to that level that he got to of.

complete and utter dominance. there was a bit of. I'm going to do anything and everything. to beat you. So on the golf course. he would go out there with that. mentality. Like he wouldn't even know. you're there. And he would intimidate everybody. And he had such an unbelievable ability. to tune people out, tune things out, and. focus on just winning. There was no other option. He was not. going to come back with a second place. finish.

And that insane willpower is what made. him special and different from everybody. else. >> Fascinating. Do you think the president. also has this? >> Again, I don't want to speak on people's. behalfs, but what I do know is he has a. bit of that winning mentality. Like. he'll do anything and everything to win. And you know, um I think he's. misunderstood a lot, too. You know, that's why I did break 50 with. him because I wanted him to be shown to.

the world like I I know him. And I think. he's very passionate about America. I. think he cares deeply about it and um, you know, I know look, that's not a job that I think anybody. should really want, um, no matter what side you're on. Uh, it's it's a difficult thing to appease a. full population, right? And. you know, everybody has their viewpoints. on it and albeit I don't think, um, like any president they've ever done.

everything right, right? Nobody's ever. done anything right. Um, I think it is. impressive to see how much he has got. done. Uh, and how much he cares about America. >> True. Coming back to the point where you. said. most of us are driven out of our. insecurities as a child. >> Yeah. >> Right? What was your biggest insecurity? >> I had a some abandonment issues. I had, um, >> I'm bad abandonment. >> Abandonment. Like just people leaving me. and not believing me. So, think about. it, right? As a kid, I get told after winning a tournament.

like you cheated and you're not actually. that good. There's no way you won, right? And so, I had this fear of people. like not accepting me, not being okay. with it, not staying around, walking. away from me. And my parents are great. I mean, I was. very lucky to have very loving parents. and my dad was hard on me, my mom was. amazing, but, um, you know, I had a. great coach that helped, uh, coach me as. a kid as well. Uh, and for me, whatever. for whatever reason, I had people always. telling me you could never do it this.

way. This there's this you couldn't. you couldn't achieve these goals. You. couldn't do it this way. And so, for for. for me, I always felt like nobody. accepted me. Nobody They always thought. it was weird, different, unique and. that, you know, I was never going to be. like accepted in the ecosystem. So, I. had a I had a fear of people just. leaving me. And even the friends that I. was around because I was a little. different and quirky, they would want to. hang out with me, but then they. wouldn't, you know, cuz I was always. thinking of something else. Like, oh, let's go do this. Let's go do that. And. they're like, no, no, no, I'm just going. to go stay inside. I'm going to do. this." I want to do this. I want to Man,

you a lot. You know, you just won't stop. talking or you won't, you know, just. calm down. And I feel like a lot of that. made me insecure of myself. I going, "What's wrong with me?". Rather than just realizing I wasn't in. the right crowd. And I was in a very. unique crowd of unique thinkers. And it. wasn't until later in life when I. surrounded myself with people that were. very unique thinkers and go-getters and. passionate that I. had such a relatability to them. Um and so it was difficult for me to to.

make a lot of friends growing up. And. um I had friends and you know, we'd go. out to the golf course all the time and. practice and play, but. there's a lot of times where I just. would not see eye to eye with people and. we just never would would become friends. at all. And it was because of, you know, my. curiosity that ultimately people were. like, "Whoa, I don't want to be a part. of that. I just want to live life and. have fun [clears throat] and call it a. day." Where I'm like questioning things. and asking these difficult deep. questions and like, "What are you talking about, man?" And. I'm like, "Well, I just want to know.".

You know, and so. you know, I I just. I just had a different mindset as a kid. And that's where those insecurities came. from cuz people wouldn't accept me for. asking those questions. >> And. does that. like is that the reason why you. why you went out to strangers to raise. money for your. uh one of your tours. as a kid? You raised You raised your own. money, right? >> didn't go to your friends and family. You actually went to everyone else. >> Yeah, we didn't have that much money. growing up. And so this is a great.

story, but um I think it's a funny story. that in 2009 when the housing market hit. in the United States, we uh didn't have. any money to go pay for tournament entry. fees for golf. >> [snorts]. >> And I did it every summer. I'd go play. tournaments and you know, it was a. couple thousand dollars to to do that. It was not cheap whatsoever. Um and for whatever reason that year my. mom uh told me and my dad told me. that I Hey, hon, we don't have any money. this year for tournaments. I don't know. what we're going to do.

Literally said that to my face. And I. said, "Well, Mom, I know what to do.". She's like, "What?" And I go, "I'm just going to go raise money.". She goes, "Oh, I don't think you can I. don't know if you can do that. I don't. know if you can do that." So, again, even the resistance from my parents. I. had this great idea and I wanted to see. if it would work and she's like, "I. don't know." You know, she's like, "Okay, hon, like if you want to go try, go do it.". So, I went and 2 days later I'd raised. $2,000 around my neighborhood. And I went to doors. I went up and I. said, "Hey, I'm Bryson DeChambeau and.

I'm an aspiring professional golfer as a. 15-16 year old. Uh and I said I my goal is to play the. the PGA Tour one day, play in college, play the PGA Tour one day, and I need. some money this this year to play. tournament golf, junior tournament golf. Is there any way you can support me with. just 20 bucks?". And I did that for a while and I'll. never forget this one older gentleman. He said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, no problem. No problem, son. I'll be right back.". And he came back with an $800 check. And gave it to me and I was like,

"I you can play golf this year." And it. like even tears me up today cuz it's it. was. it was this belief this this person. saw the passion that I had and said, "Yeah, I'm going to take a risk on you.". And that was the first time I realized. what private investments actually were. >> [laughter]. >> As a young kid not knowing what it. actually was, but somebody, you know, me. going and pitching myself and then. somebody saying, "Hey, yeah, I believe. in that.". >> Here's an angel check. >> Exactly, an angel check, right? And so,

that was the inception of kind of my. entrepreneurship of, "Hey, I can go do. this." And it was funny, it stemmed from. selling candy bars as a young kid, going. around to different houses and raising. money for a fundraiser for the school. We'd just sell candy bars. We did a. jog-a-thon. There was numerous things. that we'd go sell. You know, and it just got me out of my comfort. zone of going and selling myself, selling this opportunity. as a youngster and it made me into the. person I am today because of that. >> Did you ever give him money back?

>> Yes. >> The $800 you gave him back? >> Yep. So, that was. >> fun. Uh it was right when I turned. professional, too. So, it was like. almost a decade later and um there's. numerous things that that I had uh. given [snorts] back to him. He went out. and practiced the same tent, and we'd. hang out uh for quite a while. So, >> And then what How did he react? What did. he say? The moment when you came back. and you gave him. >> want it. He didn't want it. He He just. didn't care. He didn't care about it, you know? So, I can't remember if he. actually took it back or didn't, but you. know, I I had the thought of of at least.

paying him back, and he's like, "Don't. even.". >> [laughter]. >> So, it was really cool. >> He just did it. >> He just wanted to see me succeed, and it. was really cool. >> Nice. So, you were always this kid who. was questioning things. You were driven. out of little bit insecurity and. curiosity at the same time. >> Yes. >> And then you question. the whole the the way the whole game is. played. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. >> Right? What was that? Like you have. legends playing games over the decades. over. over hundreds of years now. Right? And.

then there's. legends like Tiger Woods and Jack. Nicklaus. >> Phil Mickelson, yeah, all them. Yeah, Jack Nicklaus. >> [snorts]. >> All of these three Exactly, like Jack. Nicklaus Nicklaus, Tiger Woods, all of. these players. Like they're big, they're. legends. They have been playing over the. since generations a single way. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> You questioned that. Why? >> You know, it's funny. It wasn't It. didn't stem from actually a question. It. stemmed from me sucking. >> [laughter]. >> It stemmed from me not.

doing well. I wanted to play like them. I just couldn't for some reason. You. know, whenever I'd go practice, I would. practice for an insane amount of hours. and wouldn't get that good. I wasn't. getting better. And so, I realized. quickly that I can either continue to. work really hard on my game and maybe I. can get somewhere, or I can find a. distinct advantage. And that distinct advantage usually came. from equipment. And so, the equipment. I'd ask questions on. And even though. it's been played a certain way, I said, "Well, maybe there's a better way.". And let me just investigate it. And so, I had a coach that was nice enough to.

let me go down those rabbit holes. My. dad didn't really like it, but I had a. coach that was nice enough to go down. those rabbit holes and let me experiment. and see what things worked for me and. what things didn't. >> Mhm. And then what did you do? Tell me. the whole thing. Like what. >> Well, I started building. >> point do you start questioning? What did. you do? What did you question? Tell me. everything about it. >> Yeah, so when I was 15, I started um. >> [clears throat]. >> I started asking questions about my. equipment. And I'll never forget one day. I was hitting golf balls and I was on a.

camera down the line and there's a. certain way you. um. there's a certain way you look down the. line for videoing. >> Mhm. >> uh. with a camera and there's a certain. particular placement you put it on. And. when I swung with a pitching wedge. the angle looked a certain way and then. when I swung with the three iron cuz. it's a different length it looked a. different way. And I'm like why am I. practicing all these different swings? I. have to learn every single swing all cuz. there's 14 clubs in a bag. I have to practice every single golf.

club in that bag. in order to be good. And I said, "What if I could simplify. that down to where I only needed like. three swings? Maybe the irons are all. the same length.". And that led me down a physics question. and a physics physics journey of which I. was a physics major in college. Uh it piqued my curiosity enough to. where I wanted to be a physics major in. college. And so. I then. take about $400 that I had that my. parents had. and scrummage it up.

with the help of my coach and he spent a. little money, too. And we bought shafts. and we bought iron heads or actually. took iron heads. and we we bought grinding wheels. and we started grinding on the pitching. wedge heads, which are the heaviest. heads, the shortest club and everything. And then the three iron the the longer. irons the ones that go farther. So. pitching wedge goes shorter than the. three iron. Um. >> [snorts]. >> and the the three iron was a longer club. with a lighter head. So all I did was just exchange the. length for the mass of the head to make.

them all the same club just with just. with different lofts on the face. The. loft was going to dictate how far the. ball went. Which seems simple in nature. Everybody's like, "Well, why doesn't. everybody do that?". >> Yeah. >> There's reasons for it. Won't get into. that. But ultimately I came up with a. the idea and it and it's been tried in. the past, too, before. Uh but I said, "I. want to I just want to try it." And I. tried it and it worked for me the first. time out with these old this old Nike. set of irons that I had. And then I used. TaylorMade. uh for a little while after that. They. helped build a set, too.

Um but we tried it and it worked. I'll. never forget going out on the second. hole. and taking a five iron out that was way. shorter, you know, had less loft and had a lot of. mass on there and hitting [snorts] it. and seeing the ball fly just as far as. when it was built originally. And I. went, [clears throat] "Oh my gosh, there's something there.". And we kept making it better and better. and then ultimately I'm playing with the. single length set today. And now I'm. building my own golf clubs. >> Nice. >> Uh one length. Um but we're building it. for anyone and everyone. So it it'll be.

different lengths as well if they want. So I can show Here's actually the. original some of the originals I played. the 2016 US Amateur with and I won the. US Amateur with these clubs right here. >> Okay. >> So they're all pretty unique. They look. pretty mangled, but um it's from Edel. and they're all named differently. So. you see there's Azalea and then this is. Kaiser here. >> Why have you named them differently? >> Cuz they were named after some famous uh. things in golf. Like Azalea is the 13th. hole at Augusta National. >> Mhm. >> It's a five iron and I was using a five. iron for that second shot. And I just.

remembered naming it that because it was. the second shot I hit into there. It was. just kind of fun. And Kaiser was one of. the champions um. uh back in the day and it was a 46° I. think it was the 1946. US Amateur, I believe. Uh. Kaiser won it. And then or might have. been the Masters, I can't remember, but. 1946 is definitely not the US Open. Yeah, Mangrum won Lloyd Mangrum won that. year. Um but Kaiser I think I believe was the.

US Amateur or the Masters champion in. 1946 cuz it says 46°. So it was a 1946. thing. So. >> And that that's actually not the. original, but. >> Mhm. >> that now we're 3D printing golf clubs. So, it looks like that. >> Fascinating. So, this one's going to be. available for people to. >> Next year, yeah, it will be available. And this is all an interchangeable thing. right now to to change different shafts. for different people with different. flexes and they.

based on the way they swing. But, it's a pretty cool prototype and. again, we're going to go through another. iteration of this, but you can see the. micro grooving. >> Yeah. [clears throat]. Yeah. >> So, it's micro grooving on the face and. this is all legal. It's approved by the. USGA. We have a governing body that. dictates what can be used and what can't. be used. But, this is 3D printed, laser. treated, heat treated after. And then, we CNC it to create the little. grooves and stuff in here to machine it. out and make it look as good as.

possible. But, the amount of work that. goes into this. and the time to iterate is so much. faster than the normal process than. going through and they ship it overseas. and they've got molds. You've got to buy. a mold. And they've got to cast it and. then send it back over and a lot of time. is wasted just on shipping. It's a lot of shipping time going back. overseas and back and forth. >> Interesting. >> So, anyway, that's one of the businesses. that we're building right now. >> But, how do you know what to question. and what not to question? >> It's based on my experience.

And then, what other people have seen. from. >> When you were a kid, like let's say you. didn't have any experience. Like today, you know. >> Yeah. >> But, when you were like 15 year old or. 16 year old, you're questioning how the. golf is played or the. you know, the length of your club. Like. all of these things. How do you know. what rules to accept and be like, "Hey, these are the rules of the game. I need. to keep playing so that I get better. And these are things I'll challenge so. that I find a distinct thing advantage. in play.". >> Yeah. So, that's the balance that I. tried to figure out as a 15 year old. There were some things I went down.

rabbit holes where I got. I got lost. And then, sometimes where I had to pull. myself back out and it took me a little. bit to get back out. So, it wasn't like. a success success story right off the. bat. Like there were things that I tried. that didn't work and it set me back, you. know, a month or two, right? And I hurt. my back doing one thing or this or that. or whatnot. And then I have to pull. myself out and go, I can't do that. anymore. That doesn't work. And then I'd. go down a different rabbit hole. So, but. I was always going down different holes, different rabbit holes. And then when it. didn't work, I'd pull myself out. But if. it did work, I'd then go off of that.

into another hole trying to figure out. more and more. That's how I viewed it. >> How do you develop this? If someone's. watching this in their own sport or in. their game or whatever they're doing. >> Yeah. >> They want to develop this first. principles thinking that you have. How. can they develop it? >> So, I'd say the first most important. thing is you've got to be passionate. about whatever you're doing. If you're passionate, you will start to. ask questions. If you're not passionate, you won't ask the questions. Cuz if you if you truly are passionate. in your field, >> Mhm. >> you will then ask the next question, how.

do I do that? Or how do I get better? Or what isn't working for me? Or what isn't working in the world? Those questions happen from a stance of. passion. I don't care if you know nothing about. the sport. If you asked about the game. of golf and you had a passion around it. and you wouldn't ask questions on the. internet, you'd figure some stuff out. And then you'd ask another question. And. then you'd ask another question. So, I. think a lot of it has to do with being.

truly. super passionate about something. >> Mhm. And. So, let's say you're super passionate. Okay, let let me ask you only this. Like, you're super passionate, you're always. asking questions. What is something that you've. believed. which everyone else thought that you're. crazy about? >> Well, one that's clubs is easy. That I. mean, they work. And everybody doesn't. agree with it. My wedges aren't that. great. My you know, the more lofted.

clubs, um. I'm not really the best in the world at. it. And people think that I need to go. back to short wedges. And I've just. always sucked at it. I've never been. that great. I've always I'm So, this off. season, I'm going to work really hard on. my wedges to make them good. Um another thing that. Man, I have to think about that for a. second. Um, something that. people thought would never work. >> Mhm. >> Um. Yeah, it's a YouTube.

YouTube's one of them. It's crazy to. say, but in golf, like it's it's kind. [laughter] of a, you know, push-off subject. YouTube's. one of those where, you know, my team. was like, "What are you doing spending. time on YouTube?". >> Yeah. >> I said. "Well, there's a massive audience over. there.". >> Mhm. >> People. The most most of the people in the world. watch YouTube. Like, that is the most viewed one of the. most viewed websites outside of Google. And Google owns YouTube. >> [laughter]. >> So, it's like. it's like [clears throat].

"Why wouldn't I want to be a part of. that?" Right? I'm missing out if I'm. just on broadcast television, I'm. missing out on a whole new audience. Cuz I guarantee you, they're not. consumed the YouTubers aren't. necessarily consuming broadcast all the. time, and vice versa. So, I just wanted to try that market, and well, guess what? >> It worked out. >> It worked out pretty well, yeah. A lot. of trials, a lot of tribulations, but, you know, we we formulated the company. back in 2022, and it's now formed into. what it is today. >> And what is it about performance that.

you strongly believe in. and. you tried and experimented, and you. turned out to be right, and everyone. else thought that you were crazy, but it. and you proved everyone right. >> You know, I've never been one to truly. prove to people that I'm right. It's always been about here's another. path. Here's another opportunity. Not everybody's going to follow the. normal road, right? Some people are. going to go down a different road.

Hopefully, me making that path for. people will open their eyes to asking. the questions. and being inquisitive, and wanting to. know more. Because through that. hopefully, you become incredibly. passionate. I think a lot of human. beings struggle with passion nowadays. They think, "Oh, everything's been done. You know, I'm not smart enough. I'm struggling with you know, things at. home. I don't have any ability to make. any motion anywhere, moves anywhere.

I just life is just going to life me. Life is just going to go after me. But we always have an opportunity. to ask the next question. >> Yeah. >> To improve your life a little bit. I'm. struggling with my finances. I can't get. out of debt. You can get out of debt. It's the mindset. So example, for. example, I saw a great thing thing on. Instagram actually the other day. It's. hilarious. It talked about.

It it it it it it it said. on the page, I am alone. And it had this sad graphic with it. And. it was a split screen. And below it. it said, I'm alone. And it was ha- it happy. It was like. euphoric. Like, I'm alone. I can do whatever I want. I'm excited. It's perspective, right? And so I think. that when you look at life in a. different lens, right? And anybody. that's struggling out there.

doesn't matter if you're in the worst. financial situation or in a really bad. relationship. or even the best relationship. I mean, it doesn't matter. You can always. improve yourself. >> Right. >> You can always make it better. You can. always give a yourself a different. perspective. So as much crap as you're. going through, as much as I'm spending. time in the range trying to figure out. my golf swing and I can't figure it out. I can always look at it as. what a privilege, what an opportunity. that I have to make this better.

That's my perspective on life. And so. from a passion perspective, like. even though I'm struggling in a certain. moment, it's really difficult. I relish. that opportunity. >> Mhm. >> I relish that because. I know from that I will become better. And so it's not. gosh, I have to deal with this today. It's. I have to deal with this today. >> Fit. Fit. And when was. when was the last time, let's say you. were low and things are not going great,

but because you're passionate, you. wanted to fix something and you found. out. >> Yeah. >> and you're like. >> Yeah. >> this this is something that I found out. it makes no sense to others, but it. makes sense to me and I I was right. about it. >> It's every day. It's an every day thing. >> Then we give me an example of one which. was a big change in your life and. specifically from lens of performance. Like your performance just improved when. you did something. >> So, here's a great example, great segue. Um. So, it was when I shot 58 in 2023, which.

is 12 under par. So, for anybody that. doesn't know golf, you have to shoot a. certain number uh to shoot par, which. par is normally 70 strokes on an 18-hole. golf course. And if you go below that, you shoot. under par. 69 shots, 68 shots, 67 shots, that's under par. Over par is, you know, 71, 72, and then above. And then however. many you're over par is like you're plus. 10, that's 80 shots. If you're minus 10, that's 60 shots, which is really. difficult to do. Um but I shot 58. There's only been two people that have. ever shot it at the highest professional.

levels, uh which is Jim Furyk and myself. And I shot 58. And ultimately, um that changed my. career in 2023 because of this driver. head that has more curvature on the. face. So, because I hit it really far, okay? Um I need more forgiveness, and that. forgiveness is based on a curved face. So, the toe and the heel is actually. pointed more to the right and more to. the left for my miss-hits. So, they look. at it from above, you know, the toe is. pointed more right and the heel is. pointed more left. And that's not.

normal. Like there's a little bit. curvature on faces, but it's more like. that, not, you know, over here. >> Interesting. >> for my miss-hits, swinging at my fast. speeds, I was able to get it in the. fairway more. And because of this driver. head, I was able to break through in. 2023 and play some of the best golf I've. ever played and then give me the freedom. to not have to practice as crazy amount. of hours to be just as good all the. time. This is a technology that changed. my career and I was struggling before.

that. I mean, I had hand surgery. People. can look at that. I had hand surgery for. a broken hook of the hamate bone. So, I. struggled with that, came back from. that, and then later. in the next year I I figured out this. driver and I put it in play. And this is. for long drivers. This is for people. that are like This is like a long drive. community driver. And I put it in play. and it changed the trajectory of my. career because then I could do YouTube. content without having to practice a. crazy amount of hours. And then I could also do YouTube content. while I practice. So, I made the YouTube.

content kind of around me completing. these difficult challenges. So, it kept. my mind sharp. So, I integrated the. content into my practice and. professional golf. So, for anybody that's trying to start a. YouTube channel, like make it around. what you're passionate about and make it. work. You know, fit something like. you're a basketball player, fit it into. how you would practice, you know? Um that's what I would recommend. >> So, you feel today because of technology. people should not be. crazily obsessing over number of hours. they are actually putting in something.

They can be smart about it just by. leveraging technology. >> That and I think improvement in your own. personal health and performance. So, um. there's a litmus test that I always tell. everybody and this is something I've had. to learn over the course of time, especially in golf. In golf, everybody's. trying to obtain this perfect looking. golf swing, okay? Now, that's not going. to fit for everybody. Everybody's unique. in their own way. And it's a great life lesson too because. whenever I've tried to do something that. somebody's told me and I've struggled.

with it and I've worked for a week with. it or 2 weeks with it and I've not. gotten better, you're wasting time. Yeah. Some people. would say, "Oh, it just takes time to. get there.". Well, if it takes time to get there, I've lost 2 weeks of getting better. But then they say, "Oh, it's worth the. investment." And I go, "Okay, I. understand that. But is the juice. worth the squeeze?". Right? Is the amount you're squeezing on that. fruit. producing the right amount of juice.

And that's the question that's the. age-long question that everybody has to. ask himself when trying to change. something. I liken it to more of hey, let's focus on what's going to improve. you right now. And if it improves you right now, let's. multiply that. It's like it's like. building let's say a wall and you put. one brick down perfectly. And then you put the next one down. perfectly. Well, if you put that next. one down imperfectly, you can't. ultimately form a. >> True. >> Right. And so every single bricklayer. has to be put down right. If you try to.

put this wall down in the. first moment, the whole thing right. there a new thing, if the ground and is. not stable, it's going to fall. >> True. >> So, a lot of that has to do with like a. litmus test of if it doesn't work right. away, I would tend to try something else that. makes you better immediately. >> Interesting. >> So, it's not about necessarily 2-3 weeks. of just working like crazy and not. getting better. I would say that's a. strategy. that's fine,

but try to make yourself better. immediately. It'd be like you. reading a book. Here's a good example. You're reading a foreign book. You have. no idea what it means. It would take. years for you to decipher that. >> Yeah. >> But if you learned if you learned one. letter. of that new language that day and you. did it for the next however many, you. could understand the book way quicker. than just getting a book thrown to you. and trying to understand the book and. decipher it on yourself. So, the little. incremental steps I think is what.

actually is the journey. People misinterpret the journey like the. the the I you got to love the journey, right? You got to love the journey. And. and that's the truth, but I think people misinterpret the. journey is all the pain and all the. difficulty and all the the strife and. you know, it's never getting good and. then all of a sudden boom one day it. just happens. No, no, no, no, no. It's the micro improvements every day. that you make along that journey that. turn you into that person or. help you understand whatever it is. you're trying to to work on. >> Does that always work?

>> No. >> No. I meant. does the does this thinking that. anything that can improve me now. is better for me versus things that I. will suck at today, but probably maybe. in 6 months from now or a year from now. it'll make me better. >> Yeah, there's a lot of debate on that. I'd prefer I'd say it doesn't always. look, there's situations in which. >> Mhm. >> that's not always applicable, right? So, if you're taking it from like a physics. perspective and looking at the macro and.

the analytics of of a statement like. that, I I would say that. no, but in most cases, especially in. golf, people are just looking to get. incrementally better. And taking a long break of getting. better to then trying a new swing out to. become better usually doesn't work out. for people. So, that long break for for. sports athletes because it's such a. neurological thing. uh in your fingers and your feeling and. your touch and your proprioception, I think it works more times often than.

not, but it doesn't work all the time. >> Fair. >> The micro improvements, I think are the. what is more important than the big. changes and the big adjustments and the. big uh changes that are going to take, you know, a month or 2 months to work. I'd focus on the micro and improvements. >> Nice. Okay. I have more questions on. micro improvements as well. >> Yeah. >> Tell me another micro improvement. that has worked really in your favor. >> Um well, my golf swing every day, um.

but then the calls I make. >> The? >> The calls. >> Okay. >> Every day. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, who I pick up the phone to call. Right? If I wouldn't have called them. that day, that job or that thing. wouldn't have gotten done. >> Mhm. >> You know, so. I think people underestimate how much a. call or a text really matters to people. And the more you're able to engage every. day or have a conversation with somebody. every day about a. business idea or a situation or thing. you're doing, um really is important.

You know, if you just say say, "Hey, I. want this done." and you wait a week, probably won't get done. But, if you're. calling every day, talking about it in. the right way, you'll make more improvements on that. So, I think every day getting up, doing. the next right thing is very important. >> Interesting. Tell me one time when you. were convinced about doing something and. it was completely wrong. >> Uh, that's a great question. Um, let me think.

Yeah, I'd say one of them was uh, getting. more mass. So, when I was trying to hit. the ball a lot farther, uh, I went on a journey of eating and. consuming as much food as possible to. get as big as possible because I thought. more mass, heavier weight meant I'm I. could hit it farther. I wasn't right. Um, it was a lot a lot. more about the fast twitch muscles and.

developing the fast twitch muscles. And that was a a big thing for me is is. I went down this health journey, a. negative health journey actually of just. consuming a lot of food, stuff that. really was sensitive to my body and it. made me overweight and didn't feel. really good and I I won the US Open in. 2020 because of it uh, because of. getting bigger and getting stronger and. swinging harder, but it wasn't because. of the food I was eating and getting. bigger that I was able to swing it. faster. It's because of the speed. training I was doing. And I didn't correlate that until. afterwards. And so, when I got to a level where I was three. times the risk of a heart attack, I got.

to that level. as a 27, 28-year-old, I then said to my. doctor, "We've got to change something. We've got to figure something out." So, I I got a chef and we started eating. whole food uh, relative to my. sensitivities, like all my blood. sensitivities. And I lost 24 lb in 30 days. It was like that. >> 24 lb in 30 days, how? >> I ate. I ate whole food. >> What all did you stop eating? >> Oh, sugars, candies, anything packaged. >> Okay. >> Took all that out.

And it was not the most fun time to be. around me. I was very agitated and my. gut biome was messed up and so it was. uh it was angry. So yeah, you wouldn't have liked being. around me at that point in time. That's. for sure. But I can say that afterwards. when I. finished the whole cleansing thing um. I felt the clearest in my head I've ever. felt. I felt the most productive. Um I. felt like my eating sessions were. small minimal and they were just micro.

food sessions over the course of time. I was fasting better. Fasting is one of. the most important things you can do. to the human body. Probably more. I would say than even physical activity. sometimes. Um. that ability to to fast your system and. and make sure. it's it's taking care of itself is is. important. Um obviously working out. everything is really important too. You. have to have both of them and you got to. eat and you got to sleep. But fasting is. something that's not done enough today. Um.

And it was those things that changed my. life. But that was something I was definitely. wrong about. >> But what were you insensitive to? What. were the things that you found? >> gluten, dairy, eggs, uh cucumbers, some vegetables in there. Oh yeah, there's some vegetables that you could. eat Somebody could be sensitive to. lettuce. There's no question about There. is someone on the earth that is There's. a lot of people on the earth that are. sensitive to to greens. >> I I got sensitive I found out my. sensitivity to broccoli. >> There you go. You know you already can't. eat it. >> it's the best food in the world and then.

it was just sensitive. >> Exactly. But that's the point and that's. something that I think a lot of people. don't know is that. everyone's unique. Every gut biome is. minutely different. You know, everybody. has different tolerances to certain. foods and getting yourself tested, going. out, getting a health test and they're. becoming a lot cheaper. There are ones. that are like, you know, 80 bucks 80 to. 150 bucks, something like that. And getting yourself that information is. a micro step in that right direction for.

your [clears throat] health and wellness. and longevity. That's what I say to anyone and everyone. that that touches my life. I try to say. just go get a go get a sensitivity test. and start eating relative to that that. test. You will feel completely. different. Your sleep will be better. Your mental clarity will be tenfold. better.". Um something like that. I don't know if. that's an accurate. way to say it, but ultimately, you know. what I mean. It'll be better. >> get the feeling. Yes. >> Exactly. And and your life will will will be. better because of it, in my opinion. Um.

you know, it's we're all going to die. one day, right? But I will say that. the better you can live life. and the more. time you can have to enjoy it, you know, that quality of life is is uh. going to be enhanced quite a bit. throughout the ending days. There's the. last 10 years that you're going to be. living. And you want to make that quality. You. don't want to be living in a assisted. home. >> Yeah. >> You know, or you don't want to be. uh unable to walk upstairs or go to the. restroom on your own. You want to be.

able to live all the way up to that. point where you go to sleep and one day. you don't wake up. >> Fair. And then tell me tell me before. you got to this wisdom, tell me that is. take me to the time where you thought. like, "Okay, I would now want to. redesign my body so that I could hit the. golf ball harder.". >> 2019. >> Okay. >> Going back to Distinct Advantages, I was. uh struggling with my game in 2019 a. little bit. Still was playing fine. >> So, always like in a constant pursuit of. finding distinct advantage.

>> Yes, every single day. Micro. improvements. >> Mhm. >> I think micro improvements in life is a. a very underutilized tactic. >> Okay. >> And that's what's allowed me to progress. quite quickly. Um most people think. "Oh, you know, I'm going to get better. over the course of time.". >> Mhm. >> And I go, "Well, what about right now?". >> Nice. >> So, in 2019, I said to myself, "I'm not doing great in the game. Yeah, I'm fine. I won the Dubai Desert Classic. that year, but I didn't perform that.

well in every other event." And in late. 2019, I said, "Okay, I'm just going to hit the ball farther. cuz I read uh something online that. talked to me from Mark Broadie. It was a. strokes gained thing. It's a It's a way. to evaluate how good our games are. relative to each other. It's called. strokes gained. And. in that book he talked about. you can hit it. 3 yd farther. and be 6 more yd offline and have the. same strokes gained potential to every.

other competitor. Meaning, I could hit it 3 yd farther. and be 6 more yd offline. >> Mhm. >> and still be the same level as everybody. else. Which meant that if I could get it to 5. yd offline, hitting it 3 yd farther, I'd. gain strokes on them. I'd actually get. better than them. That was a distinct. advantage. I was like, "Well, what if I. went 10 yd farther? Could it be then, you know, however much. that is 18 yd offline, right?". 19, something like that. And it worked that way up until a.

certain point. But that was then the. limits of technology. That's when I. brought this into play in 2023 and it. helped me hit it straighter. So, okay. I made that decision because I couldn't. figure out my golf swing as well. >> Mhm. >> I wasn't hitting it very well. >> Mhm. >> So, there's not only the strokes gained. opportunity that it was there where I. could get actually better from hitting. it farther, but it was also I might. learn something about the biomechanics. of my golf swing and how to be more. repeatable. And so, there's a repeatability thing. that I tried to figure out alongside. hitting it really far. that made a big difference for me. And I.

went down that journey as well. So, I. wanted to know how I had to hit it as. far as possible. and as straight as possible at the same. time. I said, "Screw it. I'm just going. to go down this journey. I don't care. what it does to my game. I'm risk-averse. to this. I know I can always go back and. play good golf the way I was playing and. be just fine and stay on tour." But most. people are afraid of that. >> Yeah. >> Most people are scared of that. Um so, it's a bit of that I've got a. risk-taker mentality in a lot of things. I'm risk-. >> I can see that now. >> Yeah. And and I was okay with. I was okay with, you know, the follow of.

it because again, going down that rabbit. hole like I was as a kid, I could pull. myself out. I still had a lifeline. I. always made sure I had a lifeline. whenever going down rabbit holes. So, I could pull myself out. But if I did work, I'd then keep going. down it. I'd figure out other other. potential steps. So, it was in 2019 I. did that and changed my body and tried. to get bigger and stronger and worked. out in the gym, speed trained a bit, worked with some long drivers, and got and hit it farther. >> Tell me tell me training routine during. that time. What did you do? What did you. change so that you could become bigger. and stronger?

>> Yeah, so I. started speed training. So, I would hit. >> What is speed training? >> Speed training is where you take your. driver and you go to the driving range, you have a launch monitor unit that. tells you how fast the ball is going. Okay, so just something to you use a. guideline off of it. It's like a radar. almost. It's a radar, there's infrared. It's another conversation. And. pretty much you just hit it as hard as. you can for about an hour long. And uh. you swing it as hard as you can, you hit. about 120 balls. There's times when your. body physically starts to dip uh and.

your ball speed goes incredibly low. Uh and then you push yourself back up. You go over that neurological barrier. cuz your body neurologically saying, "Okay, I'm done. I'm exhausted." After. like the first 10, 15 minutes. >> Yeah. >> Can't do it anymore. And then you go, "No. I'm going to push you.". And so it goes down for a little bit and. then all of a sudden your body goes, "Okay, I got to I got It's a this is. fight or flight. I now got to run away. from the lion.". It's the same, you know, relatable. thing. Relationship is like if you're in. the wild and you're running and you're.

like, "I'm tired. I can't do it. anymore." but then you see a lion. running after you, you aren't thinking. about anything but running away, right? Your body doesn't get tired. Adrenaline. spike, boom, you now have the energy. uh of a kid again, right? So, it's the. same sort of feeling in speed training. You you kind of dip and then all of a. sudden your body just goes, "Okay, I got. to keep going. I'm pushing it. I'm. pushing it." And then you start rising. and you're rising and rising and you. keep going up and up until about 120. balls till you physically start uh. convulsing and [clears throat] almost. throwing up um because it's so much uh. it's so much of a toll on your body that.

your body just physically responds in a. negative way. Um that's when you can injure yourself, but you got to be really careful doing. it. And so I was lucky enough to for the. most part not injure myself doing it. besides one of the. one little issue with my hand. uh in 2022. But, late 2021 and then 2022, I got. surgery. Um but ultimately, that. progression. um. really taught me how to how to. stay in it when the. the going gets tough.

So, you know, speed training I actually. had it has a lot of precedent on how it. has shaped me. >> you do that? >> I would do it. when I was full-blown into it and I did. a couple long drive events as well and. almost won the world championships. I finished second to Martin Borgmeier. who hits it way farther than me, but it. it was it was quite interesting and fun. Um. I don't know. It was something for me. that I just wanted to. experience and I tried it and the speed.

training would go from anywhere from two. to three times a week. Uh an hour session and then I'd go work. out after to make sure my body was able. to tolerate forces cuz think about it, when your body gets depleted like you're. If I worked out beforehand, there's no. way I can have the neurological output. of speed training. >> True. >> It's your body's just done. But, if I. did it afterwards, I can make sure that. everything was functioning through its. full ranges of motion and then I wasn't. injuring myself and then everything was. okay. So, I'd go weight train after. speed training. Um and do like a recovery sort of thing.

But, I was still working hard. I was. trying to work my body out and speed. train. So, I was double dosing myself. Uh probably a couple times a week and I. did that for, you know, a couple months. and then during COVID, when everything. got shut down, I was able to work on on that for about. a month and a half, 2 months and that's. when I really gained speed. I went from. like 180 mph to 193 and then. then I've started to hit I kind of hit a. block because my body physically, you. know, everybody has physical physical. limitations. You start hitting these. physical limitations and you know, that's kind of where it it stopped, but.

I'm I'm going to push myself here at. some point once I get the equipment. right. So, I hit a physical limitation. and then also a tech. uh a equipment limitation. And we're working on that right now to. improve that so I can hit it farther and. faster. Um all my physical limitations. are I'm still pushing them and seeing. where they can go. >> Nice. >> And during this period when you wanted. to find this. distinct advantage of. where you're trying to hit it further. and further, you were gaining and. everything. What was. one metric that you were measuring every.

single day? >> Uh the most important metric. >> Oh, sleep, I would say. >> Oh, you were measuring that? >> Oh, yeah. You had to measure sleep. You had to. make sure you're getting at least 8. hours, 8 8 and 1/2 hours of sleep and. then enough deep sleep. >> So you were doing these like sleep you. were doing these speed sessions. You. were gaining a lot. You were weight. training. You're doing a bunch of these. things. So you were not measuring how. many. swings are you able to do in that 1 to 2. hours? You were not measuring how much.

weight are you weight like lifting? Or. were you not measuring. >> The weight lifting I was. Like I was. trying to push barriers in the weight. lifting, trying to get as strong as. possible, but that wasn't as important. of a metric. It was more the speed. training and how fast I was hitting the. ball. I was always trying to push myself. on the ball speed and then I wanted to. sleep as much as possible. It was. difficult. There sometimes I was. convulsing in bed. I was like shaking in. bed cuz my body was hurting so bad from. speed training. Not kidding you. My. hands were blown up. Like it was. cracking in the hands. >> What what was happening? Why you were. not able to sleep? This is fascinating. >> Yeah, so it's because of the.

um the exhaustion. Yes, thank you. The. exhaustion that I put in amongst my. body. I couldn't physically sleep cuz I. was shaking from my body. um neurologically convulsing. You know. when you were a kid and you had. uh growing pains or like your legs were. like hurting from the growing? That's. literally what it felt like when I was. trying to sleep. Uh when I was speed. training. It was the same exact feeling. >> So your just body was in pain and you. were not able to sleep. >> Yeah, and it wasn't like a muscle pain. It was a nervous system. Like my nervous.

system was shot. And it was just shaking and feeling like. it was everything was growing. Like all. my muscles and everything were growing. as it was happening. It was a new growth. spurt. It was weird. And I didn't And I. didn't take anything, by the way. And zero. Everybody thinks I did. I didn't. >> [clears throat]. >> And you were just shaking and then not. able to sleep properly at all. >> Mhm. And why didn't [clears throat] you stop. then? Because this is an unusual. feeling. You could have actually thrown. down your career.

>> Yeah, cuz I'm a crazy man. >> [laughter]. >> Cuz I like pushing the limits. >> That I can see. >> Yeah, there was a time where I then hurt. my hand and I had to slow down. So, until late 2021, I was pushing it. I. reached the fastest swing speed I've. ever I've ever reached, which is 200 152. mph ball swing speed, 221 mph. ball speed. And after that, I I I started feeling something in my. hand. Like I broke something and I. played [clears throat] through it early. into 2022 and and then at some point.

after the Masters, I was like, I can't. do this anymore. I just got to get. fixed. So, I went and fixed my hand. So, I was playing with a broken hand in. early 2022. >> me 8 weeks to recover and then I um. yeah, I went to LIV at that point, too. So, it was a big. change in my life. My dad died in 2022. Um I had some relationship stuff. And. then um. yeah, I just literally. went to LIV and it was a whole big. change from PGA Tour to LIV. LIV is a. team golf concept and now they're going.

through bankruptcy right now, funny. enough. >> Um they owe you 5.7 million. >> Exactly. Yeah, more than that, actually. But but the point of it is is that the. team golf stuff I was very excited. about. I really care and I still do care. deeply about the team golf stuff. Um and. the top coaches wasn't really managed. that effectively. And I know that now. I didn't know that. during the time. Our teams were doing. very well. Like our teams we we. generated almost 29 million dollars last. year in revenue. >> Nice. >> We had 21 in cost just from payment of.

players and expenses and traveling. everything. So, we made 8 million. dollars EBITDA last year. And. uh the teams were doing well, but then. all the player payments and everything. got pushed down to the teams when they. went bankrupt cuz the top co wasn't. being run effectively, um which I no no. fault to each other. It's just we you. know, we thought that there. [clears throat] was a lot more capital. that was going to be at play with um. with the the guys that were funding it. Yeah. And uh it didn't work out, but the. business model.

the business model makes a lot of sense. Um and we're actually working through. that right now. uh for this new new model where it will. make full financial sense. It's no funny. business, no nothing. It's going to be. done right, and this this is going to be. a league hopefully that exists forever. Um you know, it's not combative. We're. not trying to compete uh against the. tour. We want to be a creative We want. to bring value uh to anywhere and. everywhere in the golf market across the. world. Um and so, you know, that whole LIV. situation.

uh was great. We had to get up-front. payment cuz we had no real governance. >> Mhm. >> You know, if we knew like they were. going to control how this thing was run, like we had to get paid. You know, and uh so we did, and then. this time around it's more the opposite. We're not really getting paid, but we do. have the governance, you know, control. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. >> But coming back to the transformation, right? What did that transformation. teach you about getting stronger, getting bigger, and actually getting. powerful? Because you just said that. you.

bulking up. >> Mhm. >> didn't necessarily mean that you would. hit it the far like really far. So, what. is it? >> Yeah, so. >> Actually becoming powerful is not is. equals to getting like you being strong. >> Bodybuilders don't hit it very far. They don't have power. They don't have. the um. neurological uh. quickness. Uh the synapses don't fire as. as fast, as quick. Um. slow-twitch fibers and fast-twitch. fibers, those sorts of things. Um.

you know, you're building a lot more. slow-twitch when you're bodybuilding and. whatnot. So, the power component of it, you have to layer in. uh the speed training. What you swing in. the golf club as hard as you can, and. you got to be careful, make sure you. consult with, you know, whoever you're. working with. Make sure it's okay. I'm. disclaimer on that, please. Um but then you have to uh make sure. you're you're able to move through full. range of motion and and hurting. yourself. Um and so, the weight. training, whenever I weight train to get. stronger, to get bigger muscles and and. whatnot, I'd make sure I train almost.

not over stretch, but train it to its. full range of motion. Whatever it was, whether it was, you know, the rhomboids. doing that or, you know, pec minor, pec. major. Or anything else, the deltoids and. um, you know, the serratus anterior, all. those things have to be moving through. full range of motion. Most people when. they weight train, they just go in the. miniature ranges and they'll just do, "Ah, I'm just getting a huge hyper. hy you know, so much hypertrophy right. now in this mid-range." It's like, you. got to go through full range of motion. to train to make sure you don't limit. your ranges. So, that was a big thing.

for me, um, is that I would speed train. uh, to get some power. uh, or to get the speed of it and then. I'd go weight train to get the strength. of it. And the speed in that, you know, weight training helps create power for. me. >> Interesting. What is one thing in in all. of this transformation and your pursuit. of actually finding that advantage you. would not recommend anyone doing? >> I would say.

working out every day without speed. training. Like, you have to do both. Um, and then I'd also say. man, there's there's some stuff out there. where they're just swinging a a stick, you know, if you I don't know if you've. ever seen it, but like to gain speed, they just swing a stick. It's not. actually a driver or anything like that. Um, but you always you always want to. make sure that whenever you're trying to. move faster in a motion, whether it's, you know, track or whether it's um, uh,

any other sport, a baseball bat, you. know, make sure you're swinging the. actual. thing you're using. Make sure you're. you're you're doing the actual motion. So, whether you're running, right, and. trying to run faster, well, if you just strength train, you're not. going to get faster, hm, right? You have. to work on being more explosive, more. powerful, right? So, anything to make. your fast twitch muscle fibers, you know, jump more off the line, right? Or in that next step, make a wider. stride or something. Like, there's a. it's it's got to be around your sport. You can't just try to do something.

adjacent and hopefully that translates. over. >> Interesting. >> A lot of people say like, "Oh, you know, you play baseball, that they hit it you. know, they'll hit it farther." Well, yeah, they can swing it pretty well, but. they have no idea where the golf club is. pointed and they can hit everywhere, right? And so you want to practice and. train. the sport that you're trying to train. at, right? And so I wouldn't recommend. doing anything adjacent to it. or using something else that isn't your. golf club. So if it's like a speed stick. with a just a weight on the end of it, like that's not going to help you. Uh.

it's not going to actually going to. train you cuz you have to have the. inertia, the right inertia, which is the. golf club itself, to make sure that your body can time. everything up to get that face square. and down the down the line. So. it relates to any sport. Like if you're. trying to become more powerful, do the sport. >> Mhm. >> with the right equipment. Don't don't. use some adjacent equipment that says. it's going to make you faster. Like use. the actual equipment and learn how to. make that thing go faster. >> Interesting. You know, I love this. thread. I'm going to go deeper on this. thread. It's like. you are this kid.

who faced little bit of insecurities. >> Mhm. >> and then since then you've been obsessed. about finding the distinct advantage. >> Always. >> Right? So your first time. when you. when you were you were having like these. abandonment issues, you were like, "Okay, let me win.". >> Mhm. >> And then when you won, then you started. questioning, then became curiosity. When. you stopped winning, then you were like, "Okay, let me fix the equipment." Then. that worked. And then when that stopped. working, you were like, "Let me fix my. body.". >> Exactly. >> stopped working, then you found.

something like. >> You're getting it. That's exactly what. it is. >> So every time you're just questioning, okay, what's my distinct advantage and. how can I question everything. [clears throat] else around me so that I. get that advantage? >> Yep. And and you know, there are things. that I don't question. I I guess that's. a good question to ask is like, "What. don't you question?" Right? >> Yeah. Okay, go ahead. Tell me that. That's a good one. Yeah. >> Um I I would say there's very few things. that I question. Um. especially your girlfriend or your wife. Like you don't want to question them. >> [laughter].

>> Uh no, I I would say though that for the. most part like I leave a lot of. the. I would say. other businesses in my life to people. that are specialists at that. So, the. things I really don't question. are the people that are. incredible professionals, high. achievers, high. um value individuals around specific. businesses, you know, whether they're a. high-end craftsman or they're an.

incredible artist, right? Or they're an. incredible legal advice. Like I just. don't question those things all the time. cuz they've gone down the road of doing. the the same thousand things and. questions I I would probably ask, right? And so when they're in when they're. heavily backed, verified professionals, I rarely question that. Um so, whether it's, you know, legal, whether it's, you know, somebody that's. raising money that has done it before, experienced, has the connections, you.

name it. Like those are the things I. don't question. But when it comes to. the daily little things I question, oh, why is that, you know, this way? Why is. the law written that way? Why is this, you know, whatever it can be. I have. little questions, but they're people. that I entrust to run those things. So, it's not like I'm, you know, necessarily. micromanaging everything. It's more of. I'm delegating. Okay, I trust you. I've. hired you. Go do it, right? This is the. vision. Go accomplish it. >> It's only just you in your sport. So, tell me if I.

Mhm. >> [clears throat]. >> Okay, let let's. What makes you exceptional? I want to. try to understand that. >> What makes me exceptional? >> You know? And here's I'm going to ask. you to reframe the question and ask you. in a much deeper way. >> Mhm. >> There's an There's an athlete who's an. average athlete, whatever they're doing. They're doing something. If I watch them for 8 hours a day. practicing and if I watch you for 8. hours practicing, what differences will I see in your. practice that makes you the truly. exceptional?

>> I'm efficient. >> And explain more. >> I'm efficient. So Like what are you. doing differently? >> Yeah, a lot of people just go play golf. >> Mhm. >> I practice it for a crazy amount of. hours. and I'm always iterating my golf swing. to be more repeatable so that I feel the. club more than everybody else. So in my head. I'm feeling where the club face and club. head is all the time no matter how fast. or slow I'm swinging. And that just comes about from. me asking the right question of.

is this a motion that I can sense over. the course of my golf swing? Is this a position that helps me feel. like I can close the club face more. consistently through impact or keep the. face wherever it needs to be more. consistently through impact. And so it's. that litmus test of asking the question, is this making is this new input making. me better right away? >> [snorts]. >> Or. is it not? And if it's not, I throw it. away and I try something new. So what makes me different from.

everybody else they'll also just go play. golf and they'll try to shoot the lowest. score possible. But my goal is how do I. become the most repeatable. every single time. And how can I. become more intuitively. um How do I How do I become more in tune. with my intuitive nature? Right? So I'm very creative. I am a. interesting cat when it comes to that. I. can do some weird things with a golf. club cuz I see and feel things. differently. A lot of it through experience. >> Mhm. >> But then it comes down to.

how can I repeat this motion every time? As much as possible. So when I'm on the. tee box, in the fairway, have a shot. into the green. I'm just doing it like I'm on the. driving range. But I also throw myself in unique. situations. Like I'll throw myself in. the trees and do whatever and try to. work on it out of there. Um and so from. that I'm I'm trying to be as efficient. as possible with my time. I go out and I. practice for 3 4 hours and I make sure. my golf swing's repeatable. And then I go play one or two holes and.

I'll play those two holes really. quickly. And I'll then I'll throw myself in a. weird place and say, how do you hit this. shot? How do you become more intuitive?". So, it's the combination of hitting. small facets in an efficient manner. Like that encompasses the whole game, rather than going and playing for 4. hours and then having to go practice and. then maybe having to try to think of. something with your golf coach and. whatnot. I'm very particular. and efficient in every single aspect of. my game. >> So, every time you're hitting something. in your head.

you're just like in your head and. through your focus you're. you're making your. you're seeing how your entire body's. feeling with every swing. >> Yes. I I see it in my head. >> And you consciously put that effort like. you see that in your head every time. you're playing something and then then. you feel that okay, when did it hit, how. did it hit, which angle that. So, you're. you're not only making like trying to. hit as good as possible. You're training your entire body to feel. a certain way and that you just try to. improve that feeling. Is that what.

you're trying to say? >> Yep. It's like be like anybody that's, you know, learned how to type on a. keyboard, right? And they're now just. doing it cuz they know how to do it, right? But at first it was like, "Okay, I got to feel this. I got to do that. I. got to Okay, okay." And then as you. start getting better you just start. connecting the dots and it becomes. natural, right? That's the same exact. process that I go through in my head and. I see it I see it happen. So, like when. I'm texting on my phone right? If I text. sometimes, you know, I won't even look. at my phone cuz I know where the place. where my thumb needs to be for all the. words.

Cuz it's boom, like they I know exactly. where they go in my head with they. So, I see it and feel it in my mind based on. my proprioception. It's all like I can see the world. without my eyes in my head based on. where I feel everything is. And I've just developed that to a. hypersensitive level. Um it was not something I had growing. up. Like I wasn't I was pretty clumsy as. a kid but I just learned over time. >> Do you like do you consciously just wait. or probably just sit down.

and think about certain things and just. imagine certain things? No. >> I can't. >> I just I have to walk. >> and so you see all the hand motions I'm. making? >> So, you're already in the motion and. then you're also thinking at the same. time. >> That this motion this motion makes me. feel the world around me. It's like an It's like an antenna, almost. Like it makes me feel the. energy. Like if if I'm moving my hands, I can feel the energy from you. Like and. it's not like it's some pseudo-science. spiritual thing. It's just that's how I. perceive it. >> Interesting. >> It's like the same thing I went back to.

just a minute ago of like. um. I'm alone. And there's a negative frame set to it. I'm alone, right? It's how you perceive. it. Like I could be talking in this. conversation right now and be really. mad. Right? And not in engaging and whatnot. But I'm not because that's not first off. who I am and I want to feel the energy. You know, you you ask great questions. I. love giving great responses. I want to. be the best at giving the best responses. I can, right? I'm always trying to. improve. I'm always trying to figure it. out. So, in that pursuit I'm using every.

one of my senses. >> [clears throat]. >> You see what I mean? So, it's this. feeling that I have from that. I try to. engage with it like that. >> This is fascinating. This is. the you're like at the same time you're. doing just like two or three things and. because you've consciously put in so. much thought that you're able to do it. Which because a lot of other athletes. they do. they sit and think and then they also. then go and perform. So, it's like the. way they've thought, they go end up. performing that that same way because.

they practice it in their head so many. times. So, that's their process. But. this is this is the first time hearing. this. Do you visualize? >> Um. I'm actually not a great visualizer. >> Okay. >> But I feel things in my head. >> Hm. >> Uh there's people out there that can. like see. uh. or excuse me, they can hear color. >> Hm. >> Like if something bounces off of. something, they can hear it. There's. some really crazy superhumans that can. do that. I feel like with me and I don't. feel like I'm a superhuman cuz I think a. lot of people can do this.

But almost I I sense. the world around me in my head. Like I just I use all my senses to feel. something. Like I can go into a haunted. house and be like, "Yeah, there's a. ghost in here. There's no question.". Like I feel something weird in here. Or. I can go into an environment and know, "Oh, this is not going to be a good. conversation." Or. "Oh, this is going to be an amazing. conversation.". >> So, you can just feel the energy. >> I sense it. Yeah, it's something that I. sense and I've become decent at it. And. so, like when I'm on a golf course, it's. the same thing. I can get behind a ball. and I just sense everything.

I know what's going to happen before it. happens. I get over the ball and I can. sense if I'm going to be a little off or. not. I just can feel it. I don't know. why. It's something that I've developed. over the course of time. It's a. hyper-sensitive thing to the world. around me. >> Can you see yourself winning? >> All Yeah, I can see it winning, but I. can't visualize it. There's a difference. between visualizing and feeling it. >> Yeah. >> Like I know what it feels like to win. I. know what it takes to win. I can't see. myself going. I see myself there. and I'm making the putt to win and that.

affects me in a positive way. What I. What I feel to win. is the energy with everybody and myself. and my caddy. And me going into the shot. and going, "I'm the. I know how to do this better than. anybody else." And it's not like a a I'm. not thinking that. I'm not saying that. It's more of. I just know how to do this better than. anybody else. Yeah. And it's not a cocky. thing. It's not at all. It's just a. I get up there and I like I've done this. so many times. I know exactly what to do. to make the ball go in the hole.

>> Nice. And. >> [clears throat]. >> let's say. when your performance breaks, suddenly. it just breaks. What is your exact. diagnostic process then? >> Yeah, so it's a litmus test. You go back. to okay. micro-improvements. What's the next. thing that's going to allow me to get a. little bit better? >> Okay, let me give you a situation. >> that. >> Let me give you a situation. Let's say. you're you're in the. in the game. >> Yep. The moment. >> You've hit five terrible shots. >> Mhm. Back to back. >> Mhm. What's going to be next? What happens. next? >> Everybody gets pissed. I get frustrated.

I snap clubs. I do all that. You know, that happens sometimes. I try not to, but um. you know, I I I'll go back into my head. with my caddy and and I'll go back into. my head first and I'll go, "Okay, what am I feeling right now? Why am I. not lining things up correctly? What am I missing?". >> Mhm. >> And then I'll ask if it gets really bad, I'll ask my caddy, like, "Okay, I need. some help, man. What are you seeing. right now?" And so, it's a collaborative. effort between us and and my my brain. that I go, "How can I get this around. get it in the house?" is what we call.

it. >> Mhm. >> How can I just get it in the house? Um you know, if I'm on the ninth hole or. fifth hole or first hole even and I'm. like, "I got nothing today. I don't. know. I can't feel it very well.". How do I just play as good a golf as I. possibly can to get it in the house to. go work on my golf swing after? That's. what I think. How do I just get it around? You know, there's a A game, B game, and C game. that we kind of define for ourselves as. golfers. And A game is when, you know, pretty much anybody. anybody can win. Like, I if I get that. to that stage, I can win any tournament. If I'm at my A game. B game is like,

"Okay, I can win, but I've got to work. at it." And then C game is like, "I'm. struggling. I just I got to get to the. range to get back to a B level at. least." So, I'm always trying to get. back to that A level, the highest. performance that I've ever experienced. >> Interesting. So, your framework is. the moment you play bad, the diagnosis. diagnostic. framework would look like first you let. the feelings to be there. Allow yourself. to be pissed, to be angry, whatever. feeling you're feeling, just feel that. moment. Then. then you sit down by yourself in your.

cat like with your caddy and you just. think about what am I feeling? What am I. going through? What's going on? So, you're you're trying to look inward. Then you ask the caddy, which is. is like, "Okay, what am I missing?" So, we work together. >> Yes. >> Then you ask for an outsider's. perspective. What do you think that I'm. not able to do it? And then. Then you're like, "Okay, how do we turn. this around? And what are our chances to. turn this around? And if there are very. slim chances to turn around, then how. can we play the best golf game I can. >> with what I have. >> with what I have right now.

So, it's like you work in there. And. then you just keep repeating every time. till you get back. >> Yeah, it's exactly. It's a bit of. insanity. I will say that. >> [laughter]. >> It's crazy sort of like but it's but. it's somebody that's very passionate. about their business as well. Like, there's always little things that are. going to fall through and you always. trying to improve it. >> What I really like is two things which. stand out for me. You are not trying to. suppress the feeling that you're. feeling. >> Mhm. >> Like you're like okay, if I'm angry. Yeah, I'm angry. >> And I'm passionate. >> Yeah, because I was like dude, so it's.

good that you're allowing yourself to. feel. That's a that's a very good thing. because most of the time the moment. performance is going down, most of us we. would be like no, at this time I need to. be calm. I need to do this. I'm this. I'm that. I'm stoic and I'm this. I. can't get this wrong. And you start. >> And what's funny is that you know, the. fans sometimes try to put you that way. like no, you're good. You're good. You're good. I'm like. No, I'm not. I'm pissed right now, you. know, I'm I'm mad. I'm you know, you. cursing like you know, you don't say. that to them obviously, but like in your. head that's what you're thinking. >> Yeah. >> And if you don't let that be your true.

authentic self, I think you become. somebody different. >> Mhm. >> I think that's what a lot of golfers. have struggled with, too, is they've. turned into somebody else because they. don't want to be criticized by the. public. >> Yeah. >> And at some point you're just like. you're living a fake reality then. You're not living your actual life. And. so for me like I had a choice. I could. either. >> [laughter]. >> be that villain that everybody made me. into. or be the passionate authentic person. that I am. >> Mhm. >> And that passionate authentic person is. going to make people frustrated and mad. sometimes. And there's going to be. people that.

hyper inflate me, you know, so I can't. really do much about that. I'm just. going to continue to be the person I am. That's all I care about. >> Which year was this? >> 2020 Well, it's happened throughout my. entire career, but. >> What was the peak? >> Peak was. what going to live 2022. >> Okay, so 2022. you were. you were the peak athlete and yet you. were one of the most hated people in. golf. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Like people made you a villain. You were. you were hated. Like so you were winning. and people were hating you. How and why?

>> Media. Media is really good. It. >> But why did people hate you? What was. your story in your head? >> I was different. I thought of things. differently. Um I said things that. people didn't necessarily like. >> Like? >> Uh. Well, I was critical of my equipment. that I knew it right and I found out it. wasn't. Um but I probably shouldn't have. said that. You know, if you're trying to. be politically correct or trying to not. rock any boats, you wouldn't say that, and you say it, you know, privately. But. at some point, like I just kind of had. enough. Um.

so I said that. Do I regret it? Look, I. wish I wouldn't have said it, but um. I I guess you could say I regretted it, but it taught me a lot. Right? Those. moments That's why I don't say I really. regret anything. I just learn from it. >> Hm. >> Right? Like I feel like people that. regret things. almost don't learn from it. You know, maybe you can regret and still. learn from it. I really thought too much. about it, but. um from my perspective, like those. moments where I failed. I call it a failure of that moment, cuz.

I don't want to be viewed like that. I learned from it. And so I don't ever. really regret things that happened. I. try to understand the failures. and be okay with it. And that's a part. of my system, and you know what? I'm. going to grow over time from it. >> Fed, but what was the more terrible. thing you did? >> Um. >> Which you feel which really pissed off. people and made you. uh like made you the most hated person. >> Uh. I you know, look, there's a few moments. I don't know necessarily why. There was.

a slow play moment where I took a bit of. time to hit a putt, and people called me. out for slow play, which is kind of a. you know, frustrating thing, cuz I'm not. necessarily the slowest player on the. greens. I'm very slow, but everywhere. else I'm really fast. So now I'm pretty. average when it comes to professional. golfer, and I've if not, I've gotten. quicker over the past um 5 years, 6. years. And then when I said my driver sucked, uh was not too great. Uh and then when I. got hit in the face with a rope, uh cuz. the one of the security guards.

accidentally dropped it on me, and it. went underneath here, and it caught my. eye, and. uh hit my eye. I got really frustrated. I was playing bad golf. This is peak. 2022. And it caught my eye, and it cut part of. my cornea. Actually, nobody really knows. that, but it looked like I was a and I'm. going to curse on here, so sorry. I. It looked like I was a And I felt. like one, too. Um and I That's one thing. That's one moment that I wish I could. have handled a lot better cuz it really. was in a moment of frailty and you know, I I I do.

I do know that I could have acted better. in that moment. And I got pissed at my caddy. I yanked. the towel from the caddy and it was all, you know, recorded live and everything. and. um, you know, everybody made a big story. about it and, you know, they still mess. [clears throat] with me today on it. They still Oh, is that the guy that got. hit by the rope? And he got taken down. by a rope. You know, and so, um, it is. what it is and I own it. I absolutely. own it and I really on honestly, I. appreciate the banter uh, in my opinion. because it reminds me of of the the.

humanity that that is there. So, it. keeps me real, too. So, I actually. respect a lot of it. >> But would you feel that was. you behaving in that manner? Because. at there are very few champions in the. world who get hated. Like very few, right? And. where the audience just boo them or like. probably is cheering someone else when. they're playing even at the when they're. playing at the highest levels, right? So,

there has to be something wrong at least. on the percep- perspective or perception. from the audience. So, do you feel when. you were getting hated, was it because you were behaving in a. So, it was because you were behaving in. a certain way, but were you behaving in. a certain way because you were pissed. that you were not able to actually push. your game forward or were you. like did you get a little egoistic? >> No, no, no. It. >> Or arrogant about certain things? >> No, no, no, no. It was because I wasn't.

playing good and I know I could do. better. And so, that. >> So, it was just like more pissed and. frustration towards yourself and your. game. >> so mad at myself for not doing well and. then something happened extraneous to it. and and I reacted in a really negative. way. And that's what happens a lot of. the time is people mistake, you know, that passion for being a child. It's. not, actually. Um, there are people that. do act childish, for sure. Um, but I think that passion of you. getting really frustrated, really pissed. off, and holding yourself to a. professional level, uh, those are two.

different things, too, by the way. So, like, holding yourself as a professional. is what golfers should hold themselves. to. And I admit I I how I handled that. rope situation was not, obviously, how. that, um, should have should have gone down at all. as a professional. But, it was because I. was so passionate about how poorly I was. playing that that came out as a. reaction, like, why is everything bad. happening to me? You know, this is all. happening bad. And yeah, I'm playing for. a lot of money, and I should have been. more, um, introspective on that, and having. and had better I wish I had had better.

perspective, like, look, you're still. playing for a lot, like, you can figure. this out. Take just take it easy. You're. you're okay, Bryson. Yeah, I should have. had that, right? But, uh, at the same. moment, like, I actually appreciate. everyone that talks to me about that or. says it or brings it up because it it. humbles me. And if there's one thing that people. don't realize about me, I think this is. something that's a good little point, too, is that. is that, um, it's not that I like being humbled. I. like having that. the perspective, right? Like, it sucks.

getting humbled, right? Everybody. doesn't like but Yeah. It needs to. happen, right? In order for me to improve in life, I. need to be humbled, there's no question. And, you know, whether it's me losing. the Masters to Rory, uh, or him losing. to me at the US Open when I won, um, it it's so good for us. I think that's. why golf is so great cuz it does humble. us no matter what. You can think you're. the best in the world, and the next day. you can't can't go ahead and hit a golf. shot. Um, and I think that's what's so. beautiful about it. And so, you know,

that that difficult moment, you know, is. what. honestly has helped shape me into a. better person today. So, if if I didn't. have that, I wouldn't be the person I am. today. >> Interesting. So, were you arrogant at any point because. you said. >> Uh, arrogant? Um, people would view me as. arrogant. I don't. >> But, was there any point in your life. where you yourself felt arrogant? >> Probably. Probably in certain situations.

where. you know, whether I was frustrated a. volunteer for like you know, get out of. the way or whatever. Like that's. arrogance and that's something that. needs to be checked and you know, it's. it's a bit of. where you feel [snorts] like you're top. of the world and like I'm the best. I. can like what are you doing? You know, sort of thing and that's part of that. humbling sort of thing. And so like I. take ownership to to all that. >> moment that you felt like you were top. of the world? >> Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. You know, where. >> you feel at that moment? What was the. feeling? Explain me.

>> Uh you feel a bit invincible. You really. feel invincible. Um you know, I won back-to-back events. in 2018. playoffs. I won the Northern Trust and the Dell. Technologies. I felt like I was. invincible. And I went that out there. the next week. We had a tournament the. next week is the FedEx Cup playoffs and. we played at Aronimink, a golf course I. actually missed the cut this year on and. I played really poorly that week. And I. was like. getting pissed at everybody and I'm like. but you just won twice. Well, no because.

I expect to continue to win. And that's. the tough part cuz with golf like when. you win, right? The next week everybody gets level set. We're all back at even par and we've got. to try and win again and beat the field. again, 125 players. And so when you win. a few times you become a bit arrogant. and and you know, even when you win when. majors and whatnot you become arrogant. Um it's just a part of it and you've got. to learn how to deal with it and be. humble and gracious and that and and and. in nature after winning these. tournaments and that's something that.

nothing really prepares you for that. Like you've got to learn how to. be you, be your authentic self even when. achieving these high goals. This does not define me. It's a part of my story. But what defines me now and that's. something I've had to learn over the. course of time and YouTube has helped. tremendously. What defines me now is the footprint. that I leave on this earth. And this is just a part of it. It ain't. the whole story. >> Tell me what happens when you. when you feel like you're invincible,

you're top of the world at a very early. age where you have a lot of money, a lot. of fame, you're winning majors, you're. the Like and in your world, it. feels like there's no other world. The. only world that exists, I am at the top. of it because everything falls into your. place. What happens? What does it do to. your psychology and your brain? What's the dark side of it? >> I think Tiger could talk to you a lot. more about that. >> [laughter]. >> Um I love Tiger by the way. Um but you. know, he's had his tough moments as well.

as everybody has. Um. I'll say that you feel alone. You wake up the next morning going, that. was it? That's what I worked my entire life for? It's done? I open and they're asking me to do it. again. But I know how hard it work I. worked to get there. So it's actually a dichotomy more of. >> [snorts]. >> they're expecting me now to do this. every time. And then I know how hard it is to get. there.

I can't hold up to this standard. There's no way. How many things had to go my way for me. to win that tournament? Right? And me to. be on top of the world? I have to do. that again? And so it makes you feel. um lonely, like nobody understands you. And you feel. on an island. Where even though you can explain. everything about the whole entire. situation, everybody goes, "Yeah, but. you won.

You're the best in the world. What are. you talking about?". Oh, but you don't understand. how much energy, how much time, effort I. put in to making that happen. And you're asking me to do it again. And again. And again. Every day I show up in that capacity and. that manner. That's not authentically me. I can do it for short spurts because it. requires so much energy. You're. you don't understand what we have to do.

to make that happen. You know, and I think. when you do get to the top of the world, um you have to have a really good team. around you in order to stabilize you cuz. if not, you can fall real quick. You can fall off and um. I've seen it happen to a lot of people. Um. it's not easy. And then you got to pick yourself back. up and you do it again and you level set. and you figure it out and. plenty times where I've felt, you know,

on top of the world and just as. everybody loves me but nobody. understands me. You know. As lonely as can be but as loved by. many. >> Do you. right after winning this, the most priceless possession that you. have? >> Mhm. >> Right after winning this, you felt. lonely? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean I don't have a family. I. don't have a family. I don't have kids. I don't didn't have a wife. I don't have. a wife and you know,

That's one of the things where I had the. trophy right next to my bed. I'll never forget we had a nice party. We were all having fun and I go to bed. It's tough to sleep by the way. Your. endorphins and your adrenaline's still. going. But you sleep for the 5-6 hours and you. wake up. and you look over and you're like, "Aha, I won the US Open.". And then right after you say that, it's. like, "What do I do next?". I'm in bed alone.

I don't have my family with me. I don't. have anybody around. And it's. it's a real moment of frailty. And it's not easy. Cuz. your entire life you're told that's what. the goal is. The goal is to get to this trophy. And then you realize when you hit it, you go, "I gave up most of my life for. this. I gave up 20 years of my life to do this. and I did it. Well, now what do I do?".

And I don't have anybody next to me. I. don't have somebody loving on me and. giving me a kiss and a kid coming up on. the bed and you know, holding my hand. and all that. Is that really what I want to do for my. life? Is that what legacy I want to. leave too? It's what really transforms. you and makes you. realize what life is about. So, it's a. great thing. It's also a humbling thing. and it makes you feel. um lonely at first, but if you can get. past that loneliness, you realize what.

life's truly about. >> You spoke about two feelings right now. Anger and loneliness. >> Mhm. >> Okay, let's explore one by one. >> Mhm. >> First was. coming back to anger. So, you used to. get angry, but then you worked on it. >> Yeah. >> What used to make you angry? >> Haha. >> What was the if because anger is always. an emotion sitting on top of something. some other emotion. >> abandonment issues and and feeling like. nobody could understand me.

>> You know. You felt misunderstood. >> Completely. Completely. I felt like that. my entire life. >> What's the biggest misunderstanding you. feel? >> Um. uh I would say that. you know, uh. people think that I I'm an entitled, you. know, son of a. you know, whatever you want to call me. Um they think that I'm. you know, this this cocky individual and. I'm like. >> [sighs and gasps].

>> Look, I think I'm good at the game of. golf, but I know I'm not the best of all. time and I know that I'd have to work a. crazy amount of hours to even get close. to that level. And so, from like a cockiness. perspective, like no. I. The three things I want to do are. entertain, educate and inspire. And I've. always been that way. I love inspiring. people. Even as a kid, I loved inspiring. people. And so, everybody thought when I. was talking passionately about something. that was cocky. and it kind of probably came off as that. way, but I was not trying to make that. happen. So, I was totally misunderstood. And when people would. say he's crazy, he doesn't know what.

he's talking about, he's a whatever, I'd. get pissed. I'd get like, "What do you mean?" And. so, there's this cycle cuz then they go, "Oh, look. Yeah, he is cocky cuz he. thinks he's the best. He thinks he knows. everything and and whatnot." And so, it. was this perpetual cycle of getting. angry after not. somebody not understanding me. And I would say to myself like, "This is a cycle I can never get out. of." Until I realized. when I did YouTube, I just have to be. authentically myself and not really care. what other people think in the end of. the day.

I have to understand their position, but. I don't have to be affected by it. >> And then, how did you turn. in recent one of the recent interviews. or somewhere you said that anger. a can be very powerful. It's a tool. It's a tool in your toolkit. It can be a. tool. >> It can be a tool in your toolkit, right? So, anger was the thing which probably. made you pissed and destroyed you in. certain way. >> Yeah. >> And made you hated, made you the. villain. And now, you have anger, you've. worked on a lot of it. A lot of people.

who used to hate you, now they love you. You have just turned around that thing, right? And now, anger is just a tool. >> Yeah, it's just a tool. >> turn it turn that around? Like how how. did you work on being super brash and. privileged and angry person who you were. in the image of the world to now being. loved and now you have worked a lot on. your anger and your demeanor. What. changed? What did you do? >> I would say it was a lot of. understanding more of who I am.

So, I went and introspected. I went I. went internal. I said, "Okay. What is affecting me? Why am I getting. so angry? It's because people don't. understand me.". Okay, how do I have people understanding. me more? I'm not going to tell people. who I am anymore. I'm going to show. people who I am. That's where YouTube came into play. And. that's where when I started realizing I. could express myself, uh I then didn't have to become angry. And people could see me and start loving. me for that. And whenever I do get. angry, you know, there's specific. moments in which it happens where, you. know, it's it's for a purpose. It's for.

a specific purpose. Um. you know, like I'm uh I I'm I'm I'm a. bit religious and whatnot. I'm. faith-based, I would say. And so, you. know, like. on my faith, you know, um. Jesus got angry. He got mad, right? And. there's numerous figures that have. gotten mad throughout history that have. been very influential and and whatnot. Um and that's where I look at it from. that perspective of like you can get. angry but for the right reason in the. right way in the right time. And so then became a tool for me to go,

"All right, I've got to focus on delivering this.". And so so I give you the So in business. it's taught me a lot about that. I could I could be so angry on a. situation, but how you communicate that. to people is more important. It's not just I hate what you're doing. What are you doing? This is No, it's. like. I appreciate the work you've put in, but. I'm very disappointed right now. Two totally different ways to do it, right? And I think it took me time to learn. that. I never learned that as a kid. And. I think it'd do a lot of people service.

if, you know, parents or or education. systems taught that. Like. don't subdue somebody's anger. Help them transition it into getting. what they want. And how they can use it effectively. So everyone becomes better from it. It's. that how do you get better every day. sort of mentality. Rather than screw. you, this is wrong, this has to be this. way. Da da da da da. No. How do we. how do we work together? Cuz this really. hurt me. This didn't make me feel good. This is a struggling point. I don't.

understand why you did this to me. And. to that. how do we make it, you know, better. together, right? Not a I'm going to go. after you mentality. >> So now when you get angry. is there something that you do? Like do. you pause? Do you do breath work? Do you. do something? I don't know. What do you. do? >> Breath work and then I just take. 15 seconds. Like 10 to 15 seconds. >> Tell me give me a situation. Let's say. you get angry. Now what? >> happened wrong, right? Today. Like let's. say, you know, something happened and I, you know, couldn't get here in time or. whatever and I got really frustrated cuz.

I hate being that type of, you know, whatever, right? I hate that whole situation happening. I don't react to the people that may. have messed up. but I go. Okay. That's it. And then I make the next move. I just. give myself time. >> That it changes everything. Just that. pause and breath. [clears throat]. >> Yeah, cuz your first reaction, that. immediate reaction can be subdued by.

just a. sit with yourself for a second. >> It worked out very well for you. >> Yeah. That I mean, that's that's for me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's that's. That's what I do. Um. some people it works in other ways, but. for me it's. I just have to bite my tongue and go, "Okay, just stop. Stop 15 seconds.". >> Nice. So, this is anger. So, you turned. it around. Now, do you still have.

moments of weakness? >> All the time. >> Okay. >> Nobody's ever perfect. But, you've. gotten better. 100%, yeah. But, it stems. from a lot of my like as a child, I was, you know, that my father was pretty. tough, and he got angry a lot, and I. learned from that, right? Instead of. having, you know, someone that maybe you. just sat there. and said, "I'm really disappointed. I'm not okay with this, Bryson. How can I help you. not do this again, right? Instead of. being pissed and saying that's wrong. Don't do that. You're ruining our family.

name." That is that sort of stuff. >> What was one thing that your father did. and you hated? >> Yeah, I mean, there were times where he'd slam the. door in my face cuz he was so mad at me. um when I was. doing something or I played bad, and I'd. slam my club on the ground, and he just. he'd get angry at me for me getting. angry. And I'm like, "Well, you're doing. the same thing.". You know, um and so there were some. tough moments at that point, yeah. Yeah, and he he was by no means a perfect. father, nor is most fathers, but we all. try our best with what we know, and they. all try their best, right? Um.

so. >> It is It's It's a thing usually, you. know, I I heard it somewhere from a very. wise man. He He told me that. most of the times if you're not very. well aware about who you are and you. don't do the work inwards as a man, the thing that you hate in your father. the most, you end up becoming exactly that. >> Correct. 100%. >> You end up building the exact same. trait. >> Yep. Unless you. >> Unless you work on yourself. >> Work really hard to make that not happen.

and find other ways to be yourself that. allow you to express an alternative. emotion. >> Exactly. So, he told me like be very. self-aware that you don't end up doing. the exact same thing because there are. things about your father you must be. loving, there are things about your. father that you must be hating. Make sure that you focus on the part. which is loving because that is. something that you want to inculcate, not the hating part. >> Correct. Correct. >> Or else you'll end up become that. And I. was like, that is so powerful because. >> truth. >> I have found myself doing that and I. it's it's frustrating to the core.

Okay. So, anger was one, second was. loneliness. So, you know, I think you explained. loneliness well. I want to go further on. that. Do you think that you made winning in. your head so important that it made you. miserable? >> Yeah. I was saying 2017 2018, 2017 I missed 14 cuts in a row. I was. trying to win as much as possible. I. missed 14 cuts in a row and I was at a. super depressive state. Like I was.

mentally unstable, for sure. Um and then 4 weeks later I went and won. cuz I figured some stuff out. Finally. had some distinct advantages that I. figured out. But there was that moment 2019 I. struggled a little bit, 2021 I struggled. late in 2021. uh or early 2022 I struggled a lot uh. with those same things. And those are just, you know, moments. that that I, you know, learned from and. it was a difficult thing for me to go. through, but everybody I guess in some.

stage goes through it, you know. >> Did it Did it turn you into someone who. you didn't like? >> Oh, yeah. I mean, again, like I felt. depressed. Like there were times where. I was very on the edge of of not going. to a really great place. And you know, I had to be pulled out. numerous times from it from other people. that cared deeply about me and I and I. love those people today. Um, you know, it's having it's having. really good people and having. uh understanding like I just told you. >> Yeah. >> I sat there and won and I was like, this. is it. Right? This is what I worked my whole. life.

>> didn't you like about it? >> What didn't I like about it? >> Like about yourself. Like at this point. >> It's the way I treated people. It's the. way I interacted with people. You know, it made me into a person like. where it was ultra demanding. Uh, yeah, I was passionate, but I was. ultra demanding. It was un A lot of. things were unreasonable. I'm like, no, it has to be this way. This is how it. has to be and they're like, it's just. not going to be that way. I don't. understand what you're trying trying to. talk about. So, you know, people didn't like me for. that as well cuz I. um. you know, pushed the boundaries a lot. and they didn't work. And then people.

were like, well, what are we doing being. a part of this, you know? And it just. became really difficult in 2017 and then. I went and won four times in 2018, played really well, it transformed. everything and then it just progressed. from there on out. And it's just been. that way ever since evolving. >> Have you ever found yourself. that you've attached your self-worth to. the score that you've had that day? >> All the time. Yeah, that's the tough. part. Like in golf golf everybody kind. of attaches themselves to, you know, the. score that they shoot and how. valuable they are based on the score. they shoot. And.

>> Every day. So, that it'll change. >> Oh, yeah, 100%. >> every game you're like, today I'm best. and they. >> Next day I could be I'm terrible. Exactly. 100%. It happens all the time. >> So, you're constantly living like this. >> How crazy is that? Golfers are psychotic. There's no. question about it. We have a bit of. um, mental instability when it comes to. that. [laughter]. But I will say, you know, the ones that. have been super successful are the ones. that aren't affected by it. That we. shoot a certain score and we go, and it.

doesn't define me. And that takes a long. time to learn. That's why back in the. day like people didn't win golf. tournaments until they were in their. 30s. You know, because uh a lot of it they. didn't have the access to equipment and. whatnot. And then secondarily they. you know, um. didn't have the mental stability with it. as well cuz it's such a volatile game. >> So, was that the time when you were not. performing well? It was and you were. practicing over practicing. Was it the. time where you ended up having a. surgery? Or like you. >> Oh, for my hand? >> Yeah, like you injured yourself.

>> I was over practicing, over training, and I was stressed out. Well, I was. So, I was practicing at the Summit Club, uh hitting doing long drive, and I was. going up against Brooks Koepka uh for. this match that we were having. It was a. one-v-one match. And it was for show. It. was a fun show. And then we had some. spite uh between each other moving up in. that point, and I speed trained that. afternoon getting to 200 mph ball speed, and I just felt something in one swing. go. Just it clicked. And I went, "Oh, that hurt." And then immediately just.

pain through my whole arm. I was like, "Okay, this is not good." And so, I. played through that, and it got a little. bit better, you know, but it still hurt. for quite a while, and it ultimately got. to a place where. I um. I just couldn't swing the golf club. anymore. And uh so, yeah, it definitely. There There was a point in time where I. overdid it, and I wasn't cautious about. my surroundings. It was really cold out. If it was warm, I probably wouldn't. have, you know, hurt myself, but it was. cold, and I wasn't warm, and I pushed my. body more than what it could take, and. um. I I you know, broke my hand.

And then like how did you come back. then? Like what was the distinctive. advantage you found after the surgery? [laughter] Because hand is something. that you need in golf to be functioning. at the best. This is the worst kind of. injury that you could have. >> So, so luckily I've been working with uh. a a neuro specialist um neuromuscular. specialist Greg Roskopf and and Ryan. Overturf. Greg Roskopf is the founder of. MAT. And so, he works a lot on training. the muscles to. contract and perform at their highest. uh potential output. And what that means is that you just.

train it through the full range of. motion. You're able to test the muscles. to see if they're neurologically active. or not. Um and if they can contract on. demand in a shortened position. Uh and that shortened position is the. most vulnerable position for the. muscles. Um but I luckily had somebody that could. help me recover in 8 weeks, and I got. back out there, and then went to live. >> [laughter]. >> But were [clears throat] you able to. find your distinctive advantage, a newer. one, after the surgery? Or you were. like, oh, now I have surgery, so my hand. works perfectly different. >> Yeah, right. Yeah, it's a robot hand,

right? >> right. Now it's like. >> I just cut it off. I put a robot hand on. there, right? No, no, it's funny. I. actually figured this thing out the the. crank driver after that. Yeah, 2022 had. the surgery in the 2023, I figured out. some of the technology, and then Shot. 58, and then kind of expedited my. >> Nice. >> um exponentialized my um my YouTube. career as well outside of that, too. >> So, YouTube was a distinctive niche. >> That was a huge distinctive advantage as. well. Yeah, YouTube was a sneaky little. secret that was growing and brewing. And. I I thought of the idea in 2019 when I. saw Mr. Beast and Dude Perfect. Uh Dude.

Perfect was a a big one. I was like, these guys are trick shot artists, and. they're really great athletes, but. they're trick shot artists, and they're. getting hundreds of millions of views. But golf on the weekend is only getting. like 10, 12 million views maybe maybe at. max with all the the different uh. platforms. And I'm like, there's something wrong. with this. You know, why is somebody. that's really not a professional athlete. not getting as many views as some. tricksters. >> Yeah. >> And uh that's kind of what started me on. my journey of how do we.

how do we garner a bigger audience than. what we currently have? Cuz every. weekend it's about, you know, 10 to 12. million views that we get on all. platforms, pretty much. >> Mhm. >> Um for weekend professional golf. And on YouTube hundreds of millions of. views for, you know, um experiential. channels or ex- exploration channels or. trick shot artists or food channels or. toy channels or whatever it is, and. podcasts and everything, right? I'm like, we're missing the boat here. Professional athletes are completely. missing the boat. >> Mhm. >> And we don't have a voice, you know, the.

media rights kind of control exactly. what happens. uh to us. And so, I was like, I want a. voice. Uh I want to um. I I I want to be able to have that that. voice permeate in the market more. efficiently. So, decentralizing. and going to YouTube uh and being able. to speak, you know, whenever I wanted to. was was really important for me. And. yeah, athletes can go on podcasts, but. ultimately the broadcast when they were. on TV would make them that character. And that was the frustrating part was. like they're talking on my behalf.

while not speaking to me. Yeah. What the. heck? What's going like I'm hitting a shot and. you're talking about who I am. You don't. know me. Talk to me. And then when they interview you, they. ask questions in certain ways to never. let you be your true self. They manipulate the situation. You know, it wasn't like a podcast form. or what we're doing now, you know, it. wasn't a conversation. It was just. What what do you think about this. player? And then immediate pitting. against each other. It's like. It's not what I'm trying to do. You. asked me the question like trying to. answer it because you're telling me I. got to answer it. It's like what's going.

on? But now it's a lot more decentralized. and I think, you know, broadcast and. everybody's realizing that okay, we got. to we got to more be more. um. positive to the athletes, I guess you. could say. But they're still trying to I. mean they're still trying to do it. They're still trying to pit people. against each other. >> So. >> [clears throat]. >> So when. people were hating you they were getting. and that was making you pissed and angry. and that was affecting your performance. You found another distinct advantage. that was like let me communicate my.

personality to people and then let them. understand the real me because I'm. misunderstood. >> Yes. >> That was the distinct advantage of. YouTube. >> Exactly. >> Interesting. Very. This is very non-athlete like, but I. like it. >> [laughter]. >> But you know what? Why not? Why not? You only live life. once. >> I agree. So and then on the show you you. start break 50 right and you've gotten. like Who's who of the boy? >> Yep. >> What did you learn about human. connection? Which golf could never talk teach you?

>> Well, I would say that you know. human connection, I think a lot of it. stemmed from traveling internationally. I went to India. few years ago now, about a year and a. half ago after I won the US Open and. played there and it was the biggest. showing that they've ever had there. And. you just realize when you start going. across the world and filming that humans. we're all pretty much the same. I mean. we're different and unique in our own.

right, but we all want for the most part the. same thing. We want to live a great. life. We want to have a great family. We. care about others around us. We want to. give back as much as we can. We want to. make sure that we do as well as we can. for our future generations. And that we're all living lives just in. a little different bubble. >> Like we. >> Yeah, and it's not um. I I don't know why. I really don't know why. media and people. uh and cultures have pitted each other. against each other.

It's it's it. it doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, we're all humans. I mean, in order for and this is getting a. little loud outside of the golf, but. in order for the world to come together, like we're going to need an alien. invasion. I'm serious. [laughter] Like at this. point, that's literally what we're going. to need. Uh cuz we're just not. like together, I guess. I don't know, man. Um you know, it it it's it's just. frustrating to see people you know, fight and bicker and go at each other. when we really don't need that. It's.

we're all humans um experiencing this. for the first time. We didn't sign up to. live this life, by the way. >> Yeah, nobody [laughter] signed a. contract to live this life, right? >> And so, I feel like having more grace. with people is is not given out enough. >> Mhm. We judge people too quickly. And. all media has done that quite a bit. And. you [clears throat and snorts] know, for. better or for worse, there's some great. things that have come from it. There's. also some bad things come from it. But. that's everything in life. You know, um. you can use this is a crazy example, but. you can use a twig to build something or. you can use a twig to hurt someone.

You know, it's it's it's always the yin. and the yang. And you always have that. opportunity to do either either side of. the coin with uh with it. Tech can be. used for good and tech can be used for. really bad things. It's just the way the. world works. But I wish people would. sit back for just a moment and go, "What am I really passionate about? What. do I care most about?". You know, and I hope that I hope most. could have the perspective of. "How do I just help the world out? How can I make a a difference? How can I.

make it [clears throat] better? >> True. Let me one one give me three. athletes. or three people who have been on your. show. and. what have you learned from them? Tell me. one inside which is like the most. fascinating inside and I want. non-golfers. >> Yeah, so Steph Curry. Um. he is such a giver. He gives so much of. his time back to. um the community and the world to make.

it a better place. Number one. I would say. number two is the the president. Um. >> [clears throat]. >> he's just a grandpa that has. >> [laughter]. >> a love for his country. Um. you know, whether you like him or not, he's done a lot. Um. and then I'd say three. let me think about that. Uh Adam Sandler. I can't tell you how good of a human.

being that person is, how much he cares. about his family. He's such a family man and I love that. about him. No matter what, it's about his daughters. and his wife and. um it's what he can do for them. And I think that's what's really special. about Adam. >> To Adam's family. >> Yeah. >> Uh Steph is. >> Steph is is his giving back. His ability. to give back. >> His charitable work. >> And Donald Trump. >> His his passion and care for for the. country and and being just a a.

a grandpa that really cares. >> [laughter]. >> You [clears throat] keep calling him. grandpa. >> I know. I mean, look, he's 80 years old, so. >> [laughter]. >> technically he is, by the way. But, it's. fun to see him. It's fun to see him in different places. cuz like when you. when you get him on the golf course, he's just um I would say. someone that just wants to play golf. He. just loves it and he loves. passionate people. You know, he he's been friends with so.

many people. Frank. uh. uh it was Frank Sinatra. He he he had. met him uh a few times. And then he was you know Michael. Jackson, he was friends with him. Um and then. um. I mean he's been friends with you know. Oprah. He was friends with Oprah for a. long time and. you know so he he's just he loves. passionate people. And I think that's what makes people. misinterpret with him uh quite a bit. Not that I want to speak too much on him. because I don't know exactly everything. but from what I can tell. he really likes passionate people. Um.

and he loves golf. >> Fair. Okay. So here's here's what I. could make out of all the things that. you've spoken. is. you found your. insecurity, turned it around, equipment, body, anger, human connection with through YouTube. >> Yes. >> So these were the things which were. going great for you. All of these. things, right? And then. I want to know about.

what happened when your father passed. away? Because when he passed away after that. you won. the US Open. >> Yeah, absolutely. I mean he passed away. in uh November of '22 and. you know he he was a diabetic type 2. diabetic and had some health issues um. had a triple bypass. uh fused back a few times 20 over 20. surgeries on his eyes. Uh he was a.

foot amputee double foot amputee. a leg amputee below the knee leg amputee. and then a double below the leg amputee. with diabetes. He got a kidney transplant. He got a rib taken out that was wrong. Oh yeah, the wrong rib so he has he had. two ribs that were out that he got taken. out. Uh doctors messed it up. Um. and just had a difficult uh upbringing. as well. Like he didn't really have a. father. Um you know my last name's. actually not DeChambeau, it's Aldridge.

Uh but my dad liked the DeChambeau dad. And so he put the DeChambeau name in in. with the Aldridge and so I'm now known. as Bryson DeChampo but technically my. name is Bryson Aldridge. and so it's funny real quick side note. as a as a kid growing up I always. thought that I was a DeChampo. right and as I went to high school we. tried to register for high school and. they go we don't have DeChampo here. I'm like what? I'm right here. Here's what my ID says. And they're like no. uh.

but there's an Aldridge DeChampo and my. mom was like. oh no. your dad forgot to write down Aldridge. as the middle name. >> [laughter]. >> So my last name is actually. Aldridge-DeChampo. and that's where they get BAD on the. back of my my book I have BAD so it's a. it's like bad ass it's it's just a. stupid thing but it's fun. um. and. so my dad. didn't really have the greatest. childhood growing up and.

yeah he did his best with me and then. got into a little bit of drinking early. on fixed that. and then married my mother had me at. like 35 34. and right about that same time he. developed diabetes type two diabetes. just drinking diet Cokes and Oreos and. everything in the wrong way. I don't. know if there's a great way to do it but. it's it's fun but you know that can. obviously lead to bad things just like. anything you know if you do too much. it's not a great thing. but developed diabetes and then since.

2012. back in 2012 he got put on dialysis and. once you get put on dialysis which is. every it's like a part-time job every. time you go into dialysis you got to get. your whole blood. cleaned out so they they. take your blood put all of it through a. machine put an put an entry of new blood. into your system. to clean out your blood you know I think. it was like twice a week or two or three. times a week for three hours a day and. that's what it took for him to stay.

alive until he got a kidney. from a um. pretty I mean they they thought that. they were blood brothers. by the looks of it, but it was his high. school teammate that he had reconnected. with in Winnemucca, Nevada. He went to school in Winnemucca, Nevada, and they connected. And, you know, they were a perfect. match. You know, he got he went through. four or five different, you know, trials. with different people to try and get a. kidney match, and they finally found. this guy, Ron Bankofier. He's like, "I'll give it. I'm good. I got two of.

them.". And it was a perfect match, and it. worked, and that kidney worked for 10. years. And, pretty special for Ron Bankofier to give. that kidney. to my dad. [clears throat]. And, you know, he lived a a tough life. I wouldn't say it was an easy life. whatsoever. Ever since he had diabetes, he was. giving himself shots every day, and then. he'd drink a liter of Coke. It was. craziest thing ever. But, he did it to himself, you know, and. um. I'm sure if he was here right now, he'd.

say, "I wish I would have taken it more. seriously." But, um you know, his last days in 2022 were. not easy. I remember. going to him in the middle of 2022, and. he went to the hospital once, and I. said, "Dad, you're going to be okay?". He's like, "Yeah, I'll be fine. I'm. good. I'm good." Gets out of the. hospital, and then like a month later, uh. the ambulance was called, and and he. went back in with some heart issues. Um. and [clears throat] he just looked frail. and not good. And I then fly out to see him, and I see. him, and I go, "This is it. There's no.

way it's going to be more than this.". And I saw him, and I remember him. um talking to me. in gibberish. Cuz when he got pulled, cuz his heart. was hurting, um. he actually had a heart attack. He had. seven heart attacks in that in the last. moments in his life, and gray matter. started to develop, and that's when you. lose your your mind. Um. They saved him, but he lost his mind, and. I'll never forget him saying, "Hey,

Bryson.". And then he just dozed off, and didn't. even know I was there. It was like he was in a whole 'nother. world. And I remember I was like, "This is it. This is no there's no way. it's going to be any more than this and. um the next week I went they they kept. him on for a little while and I went to. the the Bahamas. I had to go do some. stuff over in the Bahamas and. um just for filming and some golf stuff. And you know, I didn't know if it was. really going to be his last time, but I. thought this this might be the last.

time. Um. and I went over and just one morning I. woke up and I go. he's gone. There's no way he's there. anymore and I get it went over to my. text. I got out of the shower. I felt. just chills go over my body. Like he had. he had exited. And I remember going over the phone and. my mom texted me. This was at 6:00 a.m. over Excuse me, it was 8:00 a.m. over on. the East Coast, so it was 5:00 a.m. My. mom was with him.

and. um. uh the text said he just went on a. ventilator. Meaning. he wasn't there anymore. And that was the time I knew he he. passed away and it wasn't he wasn't. declared dead till the next day, but I. mean I felt him and I went out. and had like a 30-minute conversation. uh with him personally in the sky. And I. just I I saw him and I felt him right. right up there. And uh we made our peace with each. other. Um.

and we were okay with each other. You know, it was it was uh. it was a really sad but cool moment. because. there was a lot of things I wanted to. say to him that I couldn't get to say to. him in real life. that I got to say to him. that I got to say to him um. just in the sky cuz he was okay. And um. it was awesome to feel that. And even. right now like it makes me so emotional.

because. he meant so much to me. As much as we. fought and much as we struggled with. each other. um we still loved each other. uh. like nothing else. >> [gasps and sighs]. >> And he meant well. He meant well and I knew that. And you. know, I saw my grandma up there. She. passed before him. And [clears throat] I. saw him. up there. And we just talked for like 30 minutes. about different things and everything. And the one thing he said to me when it. was over, he's like, "I'm going to go.

now. And just know. >> [snorts]. >> Uh sucks. Sorry. Take care of your mother. Take care of Jared, who's my half. brother and he's my brother. I call him. my brother. But um. you're going to be fine. That's all he said. That still makes me emotional today. Ha. You know, um. cuz it was so real. Like.

I have no question in my mind that he. was right there, you know? >> [gasps]. >> And I just felt it. It's one of the same. things I talk about when you have the. five senses. You just you just feel it. And I'm like, "I know you're there." [laughter]. I'm talking to you. And I saw his parents. And I you know, I he was there with my grandma and his. mom. And. it's so weird how. That's why I believe so much there's.

something after this, you know? Cuz I I. I literally felt it right there. And he said, "I'm okay.". For the first time in over a decade. He. was in so much pain. He was like, "I'm. free.". You know? So, that was [snorts] a great moment. That um ultimately. made me realize that there's more to. golf. You know? It's not just about winning all those. tournaments. It's like how you affect people.

And so, from that moment. the whole next year made me feel um. like I had a different responsibility. than just winning tournaments. Yeah, I wanted [snorts] to win. tournaments, but I wanted to. impact the game in a way where. I left a really amazing footprint. Like. the likes of Arnold Palmer, you know? And what he's done for the game and. [clears throat]. I feel like I have a responsibility now. to give back to this great game that's. given me so much.

Because of my dad. >> What did you want to tell him? >> Well, I told him I I told him how much. of a piece of, you know what he was to. me. And I was real with that. And that. I forgave him for that. Makes me cry every time I say it cuz. it's just the realest thing ever.

>> It's all right, you can cry. >> And and yeah, and like to anybody that's. like holding grudges and stuff, like. just forgive them. Who cares? You got one life. You might as well. live it without holding grudges on. people. And um. I'd encourage that, you know, cuz it's. freeing, man. When you let that go, and you just go, it is what it is, and I've learned from it.

I've become better because of it. I. thank you for those moments. >> Do you regret that you couldn't tell him. while he was still there? >> No, I told him. Not at all. He knows. He knows. And that's the thing I feel. like a lot of people get stuck on is. is they go, I wish I would have done. this during, you know, life, right? But. I believe that they're out there. It's. It's energy. It's. you know, I believe in a heaven, whether. you don't believe in that or not, that's. not the point. The point is there's.

something else out there. And for me, like. I was able to express that when he. passed. Doesn't matter if it was during. or after. I still feel it. I still feel. him. I he's not right there. He's doing his. own thing with whatever he's been called. to him to do. in the next life, but I feel. I still feel like that that moment, that. opportunity was afforded to me and I. took the moment to apologize. And so, you know, in life if you you have that.

opportunity to apologize, if you don't. sit for a while and just connect with. that that person that you want to talk. to cuz they will show up. They'll be. there. And you can you can. you can tell them. >> Take me to the moment where. you're one shot away from. winning the US Open. >> Yeah. >> You lost your father. >> Yeah. >> And this is Father's Day week. >> Yes. Yep. >> You're.

about to win the biggest championship of. your life. in Father's Day week. Your father wanted. you to win. You won. You win. What was going on in your head before. the final shot? >> Yeah. So, it was a focus mentality of. this is just like I'm on the practice. range again. I'm just going to hit a shot like. I've always done growing up, having my. dad watch me and. um having.

you know, everybody around. um. saying that I can't do it, it's not. going to happen. Um. you know, and me just going into that. bubble and saying. I'm going to do it. And I don't care how it gets done, but. I'm going to make it happen. Going to. make it happen. So, I got over the putt. I'll never forget this. I stepped over over it and I was, you. know, putting well that week obviously. Got up into it. I lined it up. I looked. once and I go. >> [gasps].

>> and in my head all I said is. it's just like on the practice green. like you've done a thousand times. And I knocked it right in the hole. It was just a complete bubble mentality. of focus and I've done this thousands of. times. >> Could you feel your father was watching. at that time? >> Oh, yeah. >> Right at that shot as well, you had this. thought? >> I Not Not necessarily at the shop, but. after when I did my emotions and then I. looked up in the sky and I realized. it was a beautiful sun was starting to.

get, you know, golden with the clouds. and. and I remember thinking it was a 25th. anniversary of Payne Stewart and his. death. and his win. at the US Open at that golf course and. Payne Stewart was an idol of mine. I. wore the cap. Uh he went to SMU as well. And so it was a whole connection piece. to it all. And then knowing that my dad was. watching me. and that Payne Stewart was watching me. as well when that tournament. It was. like fate. It [laughter] just. It was like it it had to happen that. way.

And me getting up and down out of the. bunker. from 50 yards, one of the most. impossible shots in the game of golf. And even the shot before that hitting. off the side of a magnolia tree and. magnolias are my favorite. [clears throat] tree. Just knowing how that all happened and. the difficulty of me getting up and down. in that bunker knowing that I'm going to. have the most difficult up and down. It's always been that way for me. I. never win easily. And and knowing that. through the fire. I can persevere on.

You know. That's what we we always say and hitting. the shot out hitting it close to 4 feet. And when I when I when I hit it out to. that to 4 feet, I got really excited and. then I realized I still got to make it. and so I kind of got excited and then I. kind of reserved myself. I knew I had to. make it, but knowing that it was going. to I I knew that like I was going to. make it. I knew I was got up there. I. was like this is just going to go in. So. everything happening getting the bubble. telling me that and then knowing my dad. was there and Payne Stewart was watching. was all part of the journey. I just had to walk through it.

>> And you got this feeling that this is. your day. A way before. it happened. >> Um. It's weird. I don't think it was at any. moment specifically. But I knew that that opportunity was. there and I just had to walk through it. >> And did it make it more difficult or. easy. knowing that your dad's watching right. now from up there. And this is Father's Day week, so. Yeah, maybe there's more pressure.

>> There was more pressure in moments. I I. recognize that, but I always went back. to focusing on the task at hand of just. completing the job. And then when, you know, the final hole. was there and I stepped up on the tee. box and knowing I just had to par pretty. much to win. And I hooked the drive off the tee, making it more difficult on myself. Hitting it into the bunker, hitting it. up and out. I felt like I was almost. sort of watching myself do it. It was. really weird. And I And when I replay. things back in my head, it's not like. I'm in the moment I feel that it's the. same exact thing again. I'm actually.

like watching myself do it from the. third person. It's the weirdest thing. ever. So, I feel like there's it's just. energy. I don't know. It's It's. something that I just sense and feel. And when I replay it in my head, I'm. almost third-person viewing it. It's. It's wild. Um I still remember doing it, but I felt. like at the time I was walking. and I was. it was just going You know how you have. déjà vus? Have you ever had like a déjà. vu where you're like, "Oh, it's supposed. to be here.". It's kind of the way it felt. Wasn't. exactly like that. It wasn't like. completely exactly like that, but it was.

similar to that. Like I was doing. everything and I'm feeling everything. and I'm like, "This is going to happen." Like I just. know somehow I'm going to win. Wow. Yeah. >> So, the belief that pains you and your. father was watching. became your distinct advantage at that. moment. >> Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's moments in tournaments where I. just feel like it's going to happen for. whatever reason, whatever moments. You. know, whether I'm struggling with. something or, you know, my family's. struggling with something or that.

there's just a reason that things happen. and I go, "Oh, this is all lining. This is going to happen for some reason. I just know it. I feel it.". And it happens quite often with me for. some reason when I'm winning events or. whenever I win events. It's kind of. cool. >> Nice. >> So, very lucky. >> To that, let's sum this entire thing up. and make it an episode for people to. take one framework away from you. If you. have to make a Bryson framework to. become the most elite athlete or the. most elite version of yourself in no. matter what you're doing.

I want you. to tell me the routine, the questions, the outside, the belief that people. should have for next 1 year in order to. become an elite athlete. Let's go one by. one. Let me maybe Maybe get like, you. know, I'll get a whiteboard on. That'll. be in in fact. >> Absolutely. >> interesting to build your framework. >> Yeah. So, it's it starts with this. I'm just. do this. So,

it's. Passion is the start. You have to love. something. >> Okay. >> Love. Right? >> Yeah. So, what I want you to do is. >> Okay. >> In the passion, if you can tell me what. is the daily routine, what kind of questions they should ask. to keep make sense better, which is you. keep asking lot of questions, what they should be focusing on outside.

the daily routine as well because you. said like the call you make, like stuff. like that. And then, what is a belief or. a superstition they should have which. only you have it only makes sense to. you, but maybe it makes sense. >> So, routine routine is is going to be. um. you know, spend at least 3 hours. a day. on that passion. >> Okay. >> Or love. >> Everyday? >> Everyday.

And again, if people like the framework. of 3 hours or just at least a. combination of 3 hours throughout the. day. >> Okay. >> Whether it's making calls or whatever it. is, right? And then, this next one was. >> Questions. What questions they should. ask themselves everyday? >> Yeah. Why. does. this. or. doesn't. it work? Number one. >> Okay.

>> Like you always ask, is this working or. is this not working? >> That's number one question. >> Right. Number one. Number two is then if. it's working, great, how do I improve? If working. >> Okay. >> Is this the right road? >> Mhm. >> Right? If it is the right road, then. what am I missing? That's it. >> Um those are. >> These are the questions. >> Those are three. And and then. >> And every day you ask these questions so. that you can keep improving. >> Yes, 100%. So, what's working, what's.

not working? How do I improve what's not. working? And then. is this if it's. if working, excuse me, if working. How. do I improve if working? And then if. it's the is this the right road? And. then if it's the right road, great, you go back to how do I improve? Right? So, it goes back up to there. Right? And if it's not, right? What am I. missing? >> Then what should they focus on outside. their daily passion and work as well,

which will eventually help them build an. elite. mindset as well. Health, mind, >> which is a part of that. >> Okay. Spirit. You don't You don't necessarily put like. network, connection, something outside. in this, no? >> So, I would say it's always but again, if.

you've got a good mind, that mind is a. part of creating a good network. >> Got it. >> So, I'm generalizing it quite a bit. Yeah. So, this this health, you have to. be healthy. You have to take care of. yourself first. And then if you're. healthy, how do you utilize your mind to. get where you need to go? And if there's a limitation, a physical. limitation, how do you your body where. do you want to go? And then probably the. most important ultimately is the spirit. because that comes about from your. morals.

>> Mhm. And then the last thing is what is. a belief. a couple of beliefs or superstitions. that you have and it only makes sense to. you. >> Only makes sense to me. Okay. I have a belief. Can I do a belief first. maybe and then then one that only makes. sense to me? >> Yeah. >> Every human So, how do I describe this.

in a short uh frame of mind? So, every day that you're not working is. another day somebody else is getting. better than you. >> Mhm. >> That's one. Okay? >> So, you got to be obsessively outworking. 24/7. >> Yeah. That's a belief. And then. something that I believe um. that nobody else believes. um. Okay, a lot of people struggle with. um aggregating. So, they they they struggle with.

bringing things together. >> Mhm. >> And I believe that the best ideas are. usually formed from ideas that have. already worked before and aggregating. them again to make something new. >> Okay. >> So, I think something along those lines. would be great. >> it's not necessarily to keep innovating. certain things. You can just actually. pick up things and make your own. combination. >> that is an innovation. >> Innovation but it's not like. >> Innovation. has always. stemmed from. >> something that existed before.

>> other. ideas, combinations. >> So, it's not truly original. It's always. >> Nothing's ever original. You think fire was invented by us? No, it happened because something got on. fire and like how do I recreate that? >> Right. >> [laughter]. >> If you think about it. >> [gasps]. >> Bad. >> That. >> Bad. Nice. So, that's a. that's a Bryson's framework for every. day for us for the rest of one year. And. then anyone who follows this. I'm sure it's going to help them a lot.

That's great. Thank you so much, man. It. was just I just have last three. questions which I ask every guest. >> One is. what is one advice nobody should follow? >> One advice I think nobody should follow. in my opinion. I would I would actually say. I would encourage you to be. a lion. >> [clears throat]. >> not a sheep. Think for yourself.

Just because something's been done. before. doesn't mean. that it's the perfect solution. >> Mhm. >> Go try something. Don't be afraid to go. down a rabbit hole and get yourself bit. Have a lifeline. Pull yourself out, but. always. always pursue what you're passionate. about and give something unique a try. >> What? Perfect. What's the most extraordinary.

thing that you want to do in your life? >> I want to go to the moon. I want to go to the moon, maybe hit a. shot, be the second person to plant on. the moon, or Mars, maybe hit the first. shot on Mars. I don't know. That'd be. fun. >> Nice. [laughter]. Okay, and. what's the cost that you have paid. personally to become the most elite. athlete in the world? >> My childhood. I lost my childhood. So, I'm not trying to live it. >> [laughter].

>> Well, thank you so much, man. It was a. great pleasure having you. >> Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you. It was. a great time. Amazing. >> You and me we were at the dinner table. >> Yes. >> And then. randomly we start talking about. obsession, hustle, entrepreneur life, YouTube, career, and you talking about. YouTube, right? Like all of this. conversation career. >> Yeah. >> And I didn't know you at that point. >> Yeah. >> So. >> Nor did I about you, by the way. >> Yeah, exactly. Like which is which is.

just like two strangers sitting right. across and we're talking. And. you had no clue what I do, I had no clue. [music] what you do. >> Yeah. >> And we just we were vibing on YouTube. Only like 40 minutes or 30 minutes later. in the conversation I found out. like this dude is. >> [laughter]. >> Like he's. >> Same with you. >> the president of France. I was like, "Oh. my gosh, this guy knows his stuff." So. it was impressive. >> But that was insane. Like to me, it was.

one of the most impressive things that. how can you be. amongst the most elite athletes in the. world, >> have your whole identity that you are. the champion at something, >> in top five. >> Yeah. >> in the world, >> Yeah. >> and not talk about it as your identity, and yet be very curious and [music]. humble enough to be like, "Hey, you know. what? Let's talk about something else. which is maybe content and business and. entrepreneurship.". >> Yeah. >> I really commend you for that. I enjoyed.

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