Explaining Future Technology & Artificial Intelligence - Sai Krishna V K | FO 14 - Raj Shamani

What is uniquely different about the. times we live in now? Right? Like what. makes 2020 to 2030 so different from any. other time in human history? Is this is for the first time that. spending time in a digital world. is way more important than spending time. in a physical world. Everybody keeps asking this question, right? How do I make million dollars? How do I make billions of dollars? But if you look at the way. that people who have made billions and.

millions, they've actually worked on. something which was relevant 10 years. ago. And now it has become mainstream. So you need to believe in something and. get early in order to make that kind of. money and order to make that kind of. wealth. And that's exactly what this podcast is. about. We have talked about this new technology. which everybody is crazy about. Metaverse, NFTs, cryptocurrencies, Web. 3.0. What is all of this? How can you. and me, people, normal people common.

people can make the most out of this. opportunity. What can you and me do so. that we make maximum money? What is this. opportunity where you get to learn, what. are the sources where you can learn, what are the people who are the people. who are building this technology, and. how it can make sense to somebody who's. invested in it, or somebody who's just a. beginner and want to get started. This. is exactly what we're going to talk. about because today's guest has not only. built and not only breathes this. technology but have also invested and.

gotten an exit for more than 20-30. million dollars. So make sure you watch this podcast till. the end. Now our today's guest is Sai. And majorly he's known as Sai Tech. So. by the end of the podcast you're going. to get to know why he's known as Sai. Tech. Also, this podcast is brought to. you by CoinSwitch Kuber. CoinSwitch. Kuber is India's simplest digital. exchange and trading platform for. cryptocurrencies where you can start. trading from only rupees 100. A simple, fast, safe, and secure platform which.

allows you to start your crypto journey. in the most user-friendly way. You talked about. that. you started with engineering. Like you. you were in engineering college. Which. college did you did you go to in. Bangalore or you Oh, man. So, when. people ask me this, I just say India, right? Like I don't go down to the. second layer of specific specifying. which university it's from, because. nobody knows it. It's this place called. RV College of Engineering, which is. typically where. you try you attempt for an IIT, you.

disappoint your parents once, right? And. then you attempt for AIEEE, you. disappoint you disappoint your parents. twice, and then you settle for RV. Like. like that's That's the journey through. there. So, where where is it? Where is. the college? It's not It's It's as much Bangalore as. the Bangalore airport is Bangalore. Okay. It's It's a really far distance. It's. this desolate place in Bangalore called. Kengeri, which is about a 1 and 1/2 hour. journey away, uh where you need to go to one way, right? So, it was 3 hours to get to. college, 3 hours in college where I.

bunked classes, and then. you contemplate for the rest of the days. to what the hell you're up to. So, life was a very interesting trifecta. of samosa, canteen, and my and my trip. to college at that point of time. Okay. But then what did you do with the. trifecta? Like I know from there on you. went to Stanford. Like what the [ __ ]. happened? About all of the. disappointments, all of a sudden you. were like this one kid everybody's look. looking up to. All the aggression pent. up, I guess, yeah. Uh but uh. you very quickly realized that your 4. years are going to amount to nothing, like engineering just flies.

Probably the easiest part of a 4-year. time horizon that'll just go by if you. don't notice and you're deliberate about. it is engineering, I guess. So, at the. end of my first year, I said, "Let me go. intern somewhere," right? Like as every. engineer probably wants to do. And I. landed myself an internship at this chip. design company. And first day I borrow. my dad's shoes, overweight overweight. guy back then, and walk in and say like. my I'm going to help a team that's going. to change the world making new. microchips. I bring chai for my manager,

like 30 ft away. The machine's right. there. Yet I do that. Right? So, it it. the reality check started early, right? In terms of the fact that no one's going. to take you seriously, yeah, right? And over a period of time I realized. I have time, right? Number one, three. odd years to do something. Number two, there's no downside, right? Like what is. the worst that can happen in engineering. by by you just trying things? Your. grades can probably dip a little more, right? They're already bad. Right? So, I had nothing to lose.

Which meant that uh I looked at an. opportunity specifically when I was in. my internship where in the education. space, no one was really building great. software products that went on these. low-cost tablet PCs. The Akash tablet. was a $35 tablet PC that was supposed to. revolutionize the world, right? It. didn't revolutionize the country, but it. just set into a rat race that you wanted. to be part of what education plus. hardware can sort of be like. Yeah. And we started building some small. software pieces around the same. Right?

And we were then able to build and sell. that to an educational institution which. then pass that into their tablet PCs and. their learning management systems out. there. So, that's really what That was. my first attempt at building something, right? Okay. Was it in college? was in college, right? Between my first. and my second year. Okay. Right? So, it wasn't called. entrepreneurship. It wasn't It didn't. have structure to it. I built something. because I saw a problem. I just wanted. to probably scratch that itch at that. point of time. And then from there. you slowly start realizing that you can.

institutionalize this, right? Like you. can think sensibly about something in. the world that needs solving that you. can go after. What do you mean by. institutionalize? Almost think of it as. why would you build anything at all, right? Like why would we go on a journey. of creating something? Mhm. You wanted. to do a specific function. Inspire, make. someone laugh, uh. stir action. There is something at the. end of the tunnel. Now with startups, very often we do.

something because we feel like it. Right? Like especially in college. Yeah. And that's really where I stopped doing. something because I can, which is as a. guy who wanted to code, to probably doing something because. someone else wants it to exist. Right? Like solving for someone else, which is. aka the customer, is not something you. think through. In college, you're like, "I'm going to redesign the college. website.". Who wants the college website to be. redesigned in the first place? Right? Or. I'm going to build an app that's going.

to get you your food from the canteen. ordered 10 minutes faster. Yeah. Nobody. cares. Yeah. Right? Now that's. the same thing, okay? It's like I was in. my college and this is a pure play. like a BBA college. Right. A, first you. talk about like IIT, Air triple E, RV, then comes five other college, then. comes like BBA colleges, okay? Like nobody basically, nobody gives a. [ __ ] Mhm. Because BBA usually, at least.

the kind of college where I went to, there are people. who are either forced by their families. to do something, like okay, like at. least get a degree, or who couldn't get. their hands on CA or something. So they. are just trying to waste their time and. they're like, "Okay, this three years of. getting a degree or something." Or there. are a few people who are like toppers. who are really good. They couldn't get. out of the city because of XYZ reason. because we are from tier two city. So there are like X number of factors. that oh you can't go alone, you can't do. this, you all of that. So technically. everyone is in the college, they are not.

willingly there. So nobody gives a [ __ ] about college. And I am there in college because I also. dropped out from college in Mumbai. Ah, interesting. dropped out from a college in Mumbai, went to my city and I'm like, "Okay, now. that I'm here, I better do something.". And now I also want to create things. I'm I had the same itch. And I want to. build, you know what? I want to build. college may experiences where I can. build festivals where people can enjoy. music and learning together.

Okay, now interesting concept in my head. like, imagine college fest will have. learnings and music together. Realized. A, nobody give the [ __ ] about festivals. in college, in my college specifically, because they're attending far fancy. festivals outside. B, nobody cares about learning at all. C, there's no no one in college to. support you to do any of this. So, the. problem is only in your head. Like, nobody actually wants the solution of a. problem because there is no customer, there is no one on the supporting side, no one on the consuming side. By the.

time we. realize this, right? It's either too. late, we've graduated, or. we don't realize it at all, or we've. just failed. Yeah. There's no way to. actually preempt that the dorm room is. such a joyful place to build things that. if this some this much of structured. learning is somewhere there, right? It. would have helped. Right? And we missed. out the boat, I guess, right? Like, we. learned the hard way in that sense. But, institutionalizing that probably is just. like some way for every mathematics. subject to probably teach you logarithms. which you don't need in life.

Probably if if if some if things can be. as. as unnecessary as that, I'm sure. entrepreneurship needs to be a more. important part of what curricula is, right? So, that's what I meant by. institutionalizing. institute Institutionalizing, yeah. Okay, go ahead. You were telling me more. then. You were like, "Okay, you try to. You try to solve this problem. You were. trying to institutionalize after doing. your first thing.". The software's for. So, this goes well, and you're sort of, you know, building and moonlighting. software for other education companies. So, did you sell it? Did you start. making money out of it? Right. So, we. scaled that up to about like what, 10,

12,000 kids, and then eventually let. that go to an to a bigger edtech company. that wanted to have that as a part of. their internal competency. And we were building it as a project for. them, basically, right? And. when once that sort of successfully ends. as a journey, then what do you do next? Right, you think about. That was your first exit? Like. theoretically, we didn't know it was an. exit or anything like that. How many. people were there? How many staff. founders? Three. Three people. Yeah, it was the whole. just sat down. Three buddies, I'm sure. you didn't have any like anything in.

your mind like, "Oh, because you're good. at tech, I want you. You're good at. marketing, I want you." Or you're doing. Was it my or just. two others who can give me company at. that point, right? Like practically two. people who would not get tired of this, who can stick around. Okay. You don't. think through, right? Or at least I. didn't think through, right? That that. you have to have complimentary. co-founders. You need to play to each. other's strengths, have roles and. responsibilities that are clearly. demarcated out. It's just like What's it. We're all rats in the same uh cage. Let's probably like, you know, try.

chewing on the cage in order to get. free. That's it, right? Like we all. wanted to do something outside college, which felt inspiring. And we also wanted to do it at a point. where you knew that you can stick around. even though things are not going great. Yeah. So did that, and then said, "Let's try. this again." Right? Um. One of the. the other two subsequently went on to. work in places like Apple and Cupertino. so on and so forth, right? Like so their. journeys went through. And I'm still in. college. These guys were like 3 years, 2. years ahead of me in terms of seniors.

Like, "Okay, what do I do now?". And uh I assembled another team. And then said, "This time around, uh let's pick up a let's pick up a. bigger problem to solve." And we went. after this whole hyperlocal delivery. after that. Okay. Yeah. Not a good idea. That the hype. Uh The real hype right. now. And which year was this? This was. between my third and my fourth year. Okay. Right? So one a year and a half. Many years ago, like what was it? Wow, now I feel old.

2014-15. I graduated in the batch of 2016. Okay. So, this was like 5 years ago. 5 years. ago. Right. So, But, 5 years ago you. were building hyperlocal something. Now. it it has become like a huge. Now it's become a thing, hasn't it? So, uh. we joke internally that we might be. right, but we're just off by 4 years in. timing. Mhm. So, no idea is wrong. It's just bad timing. Bad time. Yeah, at the end of it. And I. mean, we were both wrong and badly. timed, by the way. But, what we decided. to do was build build like an AI. solution on top of WhatsApp. So, we. said, "Why you down loading 45 other.

apps in order to go place your. hyperlocal orders?" It's got to be. inside one WhatsApp window where you. just text what you want, and you should. get it, right? We'll do the hard work of. extracting the sentiment, the data. points, and probably giving you answers, or telling you if the theater is going. to be open, or bringing you food, doing. your laundry. Basically, like a one-stop. shop for everything that you needed. There were a dozen players like us, right? We were outmaneuvered, capitalized way better with other. companies, and we didn't execute that. well, right? And this was probably the.

first time that life takes you like. pulls you up by the collar and hooks you. left on the face. And what fizzles out. usually teaches you way more than like. what works, right? And the fizzling out. part, I mean, especially when you're in. college is never graceful. It's not like. you decide to, you know, not do it. Yeah. It's beating a dead horse again. and again and one more time, right? So, that's basically how that journey went. through. And learned a lot from that, right? And that's when I paused. I said, "Look, you're graduating now as well. And uh.

you have a choice. And you can you can. continue to. go down the usual path. The usual path. is, of course, for engineers, you study. abroad, right? Like your master's. That's as simple as that. Uh that's when. you don't disappoint your parents. Or uh. you continue to try building something. in between. Or in or you. you you find out some way that you're. able to learn better, right? The option. for me to build. was very tempting. But I also was aware. that.

engineering didn't teach me [ __ ] which. mean which meant that I had to in some. way. learn a little before I apply my. learnings to doing building a company. That's when I was lucky that I had like. the entrepreneurship course at Stanford. that came through, right? And about 6. months of order rigorous processes there. and like more essays than what I would. wish to recount now. But finished all. that through and then eventually they I. continue to believe it was an Excel. sheet error, but they said head on in, right? And so did my time at Stanford at.

GSB. And that was awesome, right? And how for. how long were you there? About a year. A. year. So day one, right? I'm supposed to walk. into class and this was a design. thinking class. And I'm like. I was a little full of myself, right? I. said, "Boss, design thinking, like we've done this, we've seen enough YouTube videos out. there or we've seen enough blogs that. tell you what design thinking is. You're. not going to teach me something new." I. walk into that class with a bit of. spunk.

I don't believe I have been. intellectually humiliated more in a. 60-minute period of time that you don't. know anything at all, right? And that was great, right? It very. quickly resets you into staying low, keeping your head down to the ground and. learning. I think the first class was a very quick. starting point for that for me. And then. spent the rest of the year just with. peers who were. incredibly competent, right? Exceptionally hungry. And the average of the room ends up.

pulling you forward, right? You are the. sum of the five. Yeah. Here I'm the sum of the 100 that are. around me and that helped like. tremendously. So I had much to thank for. in terms of sanity, right? And you now. you're as a tech guy, you're an outsider. in a business school. Mhm. Right? And. that's the world is suddenly upside. down, right? Like there's there's a. lawyer, there is a media person, there. is a consultant. They look at you and you're like, "Oh, you're the tech guy." Like, what do you. mean you're the tech guy? You aren't, right? Like, so when you're an. engineering you don't realize this,

right? Like, what an echo chamber you. live in. And that helped again, right? Where. you're able to learn from so many more. diverse sort of views in life. Apply that and then realize that tech is. one way to solve a problem. It's not the. solution itself. Right? Tech is employed. to solve. Yeah. It's it's it's a tool, right? We often. as engineers and and if you're like. especially a programmer, right? You'll. you'll you'll think that the tech is the. be-all end-all. Yeah. Very rarely is, right? Like, almost never is actually,

right? So, that's really what business. school teaches, right? Building a. company is very different from building. code or like building a project. Yep. Right? And that's probably where I. paused and said, "Okay, I don't know if I'm any wiser, but at least you can try." Right? So, I. then got back to India, but before I got. back to India I was able to convince my. co-founder. at Scapic called Ajay. successfully that he should quit a. perfectly well-doing AR/VR startup back. in the Bay Area and said, "Dude, you got.

to ride this horse with me.". And for some strange reason he said yes. Okay. We got back to India, we raised a round, and then we started building Scapic. Okay, and then you was you skipped a. great part there. Okay, like you skipped. everything. First, how did you find like. who was this Ajay guy? Like, how did you. find him? Oh, man. Uh so, I spent a little bit of time taking a. small tour around Chikmagalur, right? Which is a part of Karnataka, which is. known for its coffee. Okay. I was just like, you're addicted to. caffeine, might as well embrace it at. this point, right?

And uh the guy who was running this. resort said, "There's only one other. loony who I know of in my circles who'd. keep saying virtual reality, virtual. reality." Right? And I kid you not, he. just said, "Only two people in my entire. network repeat this term. Mhm. It's the two of you. I think the. two of you should meet. Right? And when we did catch up, interestingly, it seems to be that our parents have. been neighbors in Chennai in this. literal same apartment. Which traces back for like two decades. now. So, wait. Right. So, it like I mean, that was.

serendipitously nice. And later we realized that we have a. shared interest in terms of what we want. to do or we want to build things. through. So, the that sort of courtship. existed for about half a year. And then. we said, well, since you're doing. something, I want to do something. Let's. get down to it. Try building, and that's really where the journey. started through it. So, it was really. about I've I've realized that life for. me has advanced non-linearly through two. things. Someone has decided to take a. bet, right? Like. given me a shot. And the other time is.

when someone has engineered some. serendipity for me saying, "Ah, the two. of you should meet or the two of you. should probably end up doing business. with each other, etc." So, it's been. engineered serendipity on one side as. well as a. a a leap of faith on the other side. And. that's the only thing that's pulled me. forward. And that's how you guys That's. always been the case, right? Like always. you have gotten, but I'm sure that this. is not how startups are built. I wish. This is probably this is your idea, this. is how you got done. But for before we. move forward, uh how did you get into.

building part and stuff? Why don't you. tell everyone like what is Skapic. quickly in like 60 seconds so that. people who don't know about it have like. a great idea about what exactly we're. talking about here. Under the pump, yeah. Uh 2018, when we started Skapic, we said, look, when things in the world have gone from. mainframes to desktops, desktops to. laptops, laptops to smartphones, the way. we've interacted with computers has. changed every 15 years.

It's not going to stop with the. smartphone. Why should it? The next big thing is. right here, right? Wearable devices that. you can now literally project holograms. using. If that future is going to come through, someone has to build software that makes. it easy to develop these virtual and. augmented reality experiences. Like how. when you wanted to build a website, you. initially tried coding, you were. horrible at it, then you went to. WordPress, it was a little better, then. you went to Wix, it was even better, Better. right? So, we were building the.

Wix and WordPress for virtual and. augmented reality. We said, "Look, you. don't need to code. If you want to build. a metaverse, I'm giving you a drag and. drop tool in order for you to jump right. in, build an AR or a VR experience that. will work in your browser from day one. You just come in, drag and drop things. like Canva, exactly like Canva, actually, and then hit publish and. you're good to go." So, wait. Dude, even I didn't know about it. Wow, I know the the NFT side of you. This was This was something new. But,

now that you So, you're a you're a big. believer of. VR space, I mean, of course, and the. wearable device is going to be like my. first interaction with wearable device, I'll tell you, I saw this video went. viral on YouTube about of Pranav Mistry, I guess. Ah, yes, of course. Six Sense. Dude, it blew my mind. I remember for a month, not kidding, not. exaggerating, for a month, every day I. Googled where the [ __ ] can I find this. device? Like, how can I buy? I was like, even.

and there were rumors, right? It's for. $600, it's for $400. like, I'm ready to like. you know, convince my parents, sell my. car, do something. I want to be this. cool. This is what I want. This is like. this cool thing I want, like Six Sense. device. Dude, that blew my mind. Like, it would. just portray that those pictures out. there. I think now that is coming to. reality. True. That is going to be. through your. maybe glasses or watches and all of. that, and those projection is something. what Kwik is going to help us build.

Completely. Right. Make it really simple. for a creative person to not bother. about code, just sit and build damn good. VR and AR experiences. That's it. So, next time my workshop's going to be like. this. So, I'm going to give people like. devices on their in their houses and. they can have like virtually they can. see me speaking while they're doing and. I can do all of that through Skype. For. sure, yeah. I think that's that's a good. start. And that's probably the vision that's. coming to life now, right? Where. everyone's saying, "Look, you're going. to spend so much time in the metaverse, so on and so forth.". It all starts with.

the device which you're wearing and or. using and then the experience that can. power it. And both sides now we are at a. phase where it's actually possible. Right? Like no other point of time in. human history will your brain be tricked. into believing that it's in the Amazon. rainforest or be tricked into believing. that it's in a beach. Now these displays devices and the. fidelity of them are so good that you. would see videos where people are. wearing them and going and crashing into. their TVs, right? Or falling down. because your brain's truly believing.

that it's right there. Yeah. Right? And. that's uncanny, right? And that means. that you've finally hit a point where. things from here can only get better and. better and better and better in terms of. convincing you that there is a. completely parallel world that you can. live in. But how far are we from that? Oh. Not too far at all, actually. But how. many years would it be if you want to. put it like that? I'll put this in context, right? Um. the most popular virtual reality device. that's selling today is a device called. the Oculus Quest 2, right? The Quest 2.

is a $300 device that you can buy, put. on your face and do play like hundreds. of thousands of games on it. And work. out like beasts and do all of the stuff. The whole thing. Over the last 12 months, the Quest 2 has. sold about 10 million devices. For context, 10 million was the same number of. iPhones that were sold between year one. and year two. Right? 10 million was the same number of. Xboxes that are sold when a new Xbox. launches. And 10 million is the same. number of PS3s that are sold when the.

PS3 launched. Which means that this critical mass is. hitting sooner than we think. Right? And it's it's like a very PS2 Nintendo. moment, right? Like things will only get. better from here generation after. generation. It's not going to be. graphical fidelity that you're suddenly. like, holy [ __ ] this is better than. real world. But we're very quickly. getting there. Yeah. And the rumors are. that over the next 12 to 18 months we. have at least two massive launches from. what I hear from two big companies that. are like a generational leap ahead from.

where the Quest 2 is. Because the Quest. 2 itself is like a 14-month-old device. now. And what's coming next is probably. like super exciting. And if this is at. at an Xbox level or an iPhone first. generation level, you can now expect that that graph to. follow a similar pattern. Even if it. does half the similar pattern there, over the next 5 years we're talking. about a billion people using this. Insane. Dude, this is Okay, we're going to come. to this before we let let's close the. loop on the Scape X story. Please. And. then we come back to the Quest 2 part. And then you're going to. you're going to help us and everyone.

what all can we do with this? Okay, because why there's a even need for. this, all of that we'll talk about. But. let's close the loop on that Scape X. You built it. You were passionate about. it. You know that this is where the. world was going. You realized. everything. And then the then it got. acquired. Mhm. So, how did that happen? Did you reach out? Did they reach out? What was it? Frankly, it's a bit of a strange dance. here. Okay. It's like you've seen these. What did you do? Because most of the. time what happens people excited, they. build something good, they don't know.

how to scale it. Right. They don't know. how to scale it to a level where some. big player, one Goliath will be. interested in like someone like you and. be like, okay, let me Grab this. grab. this and help you build out with us. Why. don't you use. the power and the money we have and take. it for your fun. Right. Very interesting. And I think M&A's are. not spoken about as much as well, right? Like especially in the Indian scenario. Uh. good companies are bought, not sold, right? Which is the best time to sell a. company when you don't want to probably. sell a company. Which is where most good.

acquisitions happen. So, during a typical M&A process, here. is what might occur. One of your customers, usually, right? You've sort of started building a. relationship with them and. you've slowly started getting them. acquainted to what the hell are you. building? Is it even useful for me? And. do I have some gains from that at any. point of time? The moment that happens, it's almost like. building a rapport with someone, right? Before you. before you ask them for a huge favor.

So, you get to know the person. And then. you slowly start getting entrenched in. their lives. So, the big company gets. entrenched in the small company's lives. in some way or the other. Usually as a. customer, right? Or as a partner, an. integrator. We can call it what we want. Once this relationship is usually set. in, you then try to deepen that. relationship because of two things. One, the startup thinks this guy can be. absolutely milked, right? Like there is. a source of revenue here which is super. lucrative. Yeah. The big guy now looks at. innovation that can't happen internally. Mhm. Right? It's.

the classical innovator's dilemma, which. is my company is so big, if I decide to. do something meaningfully. different, it's going to hurt my. existing shareholders and customers. Yeah. Which means I've got to steer and I've. got to stay on course. But, oh my god, I'm missing on so many. opportunities on the side because I'm. staying on course. So, where do I innovate? I innovate by. virtue of acquiring innovation from. outside. Inorganic growth. Yeah. Because. I simply can't foster, cultivate, and.

build that sort of team internally. Right? Not because it can't be done, but. because my priorities are very. different. Yes. Right? So, which is where a big. company looks at a smaller startup at. areas where it. it can be outmaneuvered. The one thing. that startups always look at is they're. like, what if Google builds this? Yeah, Google will never build it, right? Google has a hundred things to do before. they bother about something which is as. breadcrumbs as what you might be going. after. Yeah. Right? The chances of you.

shooting yourself is a lot higher than. the chances of Google coming and. shooting you. Right? And that's really the same case with. M&A's as well. If you steer course and you're able to. build something where a big company. feels like you are outmaneuvering them. through speed, the only advantage. startups have, the only is speed. A. smaller guy can move quicker than the. big large guy. Yeah. And if you show that enough number of. times in an area which is important to. the big guy, that's where the deal. happens.

And by the time you have done this, right? You actually don't have too many. reasons to sell. Because somewhere you're sort of getting. revenues from this guy. You're getting. revenues from more people. So, the. reason you decide to sell is also. because. they are doing something that you don't. have access to. Yeah. Right? And in our. case, that was 115 million Indians, right? My goal was to build augmented. reality and virtual reality as fast as. possible to as many Indians as possible. Now, that's a goal I can't do as a.

small-scale startup, right? Access and. distribution is often something that the. big company can crush for you. Case in. point, Instagram. A billion-dollar. acquisition was today 300 billion. dollars minimum in terms of the meta. ecosystem, and that was possible because. Facebook put its weight behind Instagram. and allowed that sort of distribution to. come together. Very similar here. And in this scenario, uh. what we decided to pull the trigger on. was, "Look, you can build a product as. much as you want, but if not people are.

not using it, who cares?" Right? And. that's really where this made a lot of. sense for us, right? Post-pandemic, uh. e-commerce was like suddenly booming, right? Everyone staying at home. apparently wants to shop now. And as. they do that, AR becomes an important. way to go about it. It can be as trivial. as throwing a lipstick on your face or. something as important as showing. exactly how the furniture looks in front. of you. But that spectrum is going to be. important. And why is because even. people have even made memes of this, right? Like what I order online versus. what ends up in my doorstep, completely.

different. Yeah. Right? Like expectation reality is. we have trolled e-commerce on this for. years now. And we still keep on doing. that. It still works. The content it. works. There is this one guy in Diwali. who will get a brick instead of an. iPhone, boss. Like as a rule. Right? Like he will get a brick instead of an. iPhone and he will tag everybody in. Flipkart. He will tag 5,000 people in. Flipkart and make it very visible that. look, I have gotten a brick. Did you? Nobody knows. Right? But the part that. AR really solves in this case is that. expectation gap. Right? You don't trust.

an e-commerce system enough. You don't. expect the e-commerce system to. really deliver exactly what they should, especially if they are not tier one, right? Like you go to a slightly more. nondescript site. Your your alarm bells. are on. You're like, what if this guy. runs away? And AR sort of solves for a. lot of that. What you order is exactly what you would. get because what is in augmented reality. can now be a 3D scan of the actual. product that they're selling. Right? That gives you a size, fit, finish. You showed me that, right? I remember.

You showed me that that particular. feature where I could wear all the. different kind of shoes and check on my. Dude, that was insane. And it looked as. if I'm having a picture. as if I'm really wearing it. I wondered. at that time like am I wearing the same. shoe or no? And that was really really. good. And now if you take from makeup, shoes, clothes on the human body and. also furniture or accessories for your. house, you suddenly start looking at the. camera as a place where commerce.

happens, which has never been before. And that's really where it made a ton of. sense for us. And we said, let's build. it. Let's build it together and they So. eventually started with building. relationship, you try to deepen it and. then one day the conversation happened, and you were like, "Okay, let's do this, and let's take it forward." What you. said makes sense both for like courting. a girl as well as selling a startup. Exactly the same sentence flow, but yes, we sold a startup. Every once in like. this is the third podcast of the day, and everyone has been quoting the same. thing. It's exactly like the girl. It's.

exactly like the dating. It's exactly. like the crush. I don't know what's. this. Your sentence not Bangalore. Am I giving this vibe that I'll be. interested in this or. or is it because the Bangalore has the. vibe? If three people are spotting the. same pattern, maybe it's introspection. and not reflection. What the hell is. wrong with you? All right. Okay, so then this happened, and then you got excited about more of. this because now obviously you have as. as somebody who's building as a partner,

you have more time than as a founder. because founders usually have lesser. time because you have to do 10 things. Now, out of those 10 things, you have. outsourced kind of eight things to the. bigger giant. Two things you're focusing. on, which is that is building core. building. Mhm. Okay. And that's when you. started getting deep in into more into. the metaverse, the world which is. where your scape is really going to make. sense, right? Right? What is this world. about? Everybody has been talking. In. fact, dude, the biggest of the biggest. influencers of the world, like the.

business influencers I'm talking about, like you talk about Mark Zuckerberg or. Kevin O'Leary or Gary Vee, like the. social media moguls, not In fact, talk. about Elon, talk about Mark Zuckerberg, these people. They all are saying that. world is going to change. Like we are going through. we're going through that shift which was. the early internet days. And we all get it. We all have been. hearing this because communication is. faster. Through social media, we can see. that Facebook got turned into Meta.

Okay. And this is a master move. Great. We all are looking at this. But even after studying, like I've been. reading about it since 30 days. After reading it for 30 days, I don't. get [ __ ]. I don't understand what this Web 3.0 is. I try to in fact do it as a Web 3.0 as a. creator economy. Web 3.0 as a creator. economy. As within in relation to storytelling, in relation to selling, in relation to. market platform. I don't get [ __ ].

I don't understand what metaverse and. all of that is. Why how can it help me. and how how can I understand all of. this? Quick disclaimer, if someone comes to. you and tells you that they are an. absolute expert at this space, that's. when you run, right? Because that's how. early this space is. None of us are. We're all blindly leading the blind and. trying to figure it out. I've been. spending 6 and 1/2 years in trying to. build startups around the AR and the VR. space and I still don't consider myself. anywhere near this. But it is exciting, isn't it? Which is. for the first time, we now are able to.

anticipate what the evolution of the. internet itself is going to be like. So, let's backtrack before all that mumbo. jumbo, right? What is uniquely different about the. times we live in now, right? Like what. makes 2020 to 2030 so different from any. other time in human history? Is this is for the first time that. spending time in a digital world. is way more important than spending time. in a physical world. Yeah. Right? Going for a walk is a luxury.

Staying in front of your laptop for 15. hours a day is a necessity. Right? Our parents, our grandparents, and everybody before us probably had it. the other way around. Right? Um. appreciating nature is a luxury. Coexisting with it was something that. was a necessity for our parents, right? I think we have increasingly started to. prioritize what's online or what's on a. URL more than what's IRL. Yeah. Right? Absolutely. That's going to That's only. going to get amplified. between now and 5 years or 10 years from.

now. With that as the starting point, right? Three things will change, right? Computing, content, and commerce. That's it. Right, let let's start there. Computing. Shit's getting more realistic. Shit's getting faster, and it'll also. get more personal, right? Your. smartphone was an incredible device. because you literally touch the info. Right? It's a very personal device. The. personal computer was supposed to be. personal, and the smartphone made it. even more personal. What's the ultimate.

realization of that? Throwing things on. your face. Right? And that will happen, right? That's That's on the hardware side that. we spoke about. As that happens, you very quickly realize that your human. behavior is going to stay the same. But where you. exhibit this behavior is going to be. online as compared to offline. Yeah. Right? What is this human. behavior? I want to show off. Right? I want to tell you that I own. something unique, expensive, and rare. Yeah. NFTs. Right? Human behavior is I want to be.

rewarded for some action. Tokens. Human behavior is that I need to find a. way in order to socialize with someone. in three-dimensional space. The metaverse, right? So, what the metaverse really says is as. computing changes, gets to your face, as. content changes, becomes completely 3D, and as commerce changes because it. becomes digital-first as compared to a. physical-first product, why is all of this being done on a on a. on the current version of the internet?

It's going to be done on an evolved. version of the internet, which we all. collectively call as the metaverse right. now. Okay. It's taking your existing. behavior, dialing it up to 11, and then. putting it into a space or a 3D. enclosure that everyone will now. possibly have access to through a VR or. an AR headset, and we now say. that seems to be the internet, but. that's a 2D rendition of the same. Whereas here, it's a far more immersive. rendition of the same. Welcome to the metaverse. Dude, this makes so much sense. I want. to simplify it for people. Okay, I have.

like random examples in my head. Maybe. I'm wrong, but you correct me there. Okay. So, what do you mean to say is. human behavior is going to be same? Right? And we are already seeing that. shift. That people are caring about. digital first, digital more than the. offline things. Right? We are seeing that in business. Businesses care more about what URL they. have rather than what location they are. open the showroom on. Right? This is. happening. This is going on because they. want to own that dot com of a specific.

name so that people visit and it's easy. for them to So, they are buying that off. in higher prices and want that more than. this. And it's just one link, one word. It's happening. Okay. Then we all want. to show off that blue tick on our. Instagram accounts. Right? It's. I mean, it's a flex. So, people who have. it, they're flexing it out. People who. do not have it, they're ready to pay a. lot of money which they would have. easily be used like. they would have used that to buy a. jewelry. Mhm. They don't want to buy. jewelry anymore. They want that blue.

tick. So, they're focusing on the. digital aspects of it rather than this. And this all happened. I think one more example I can think of. Gary V said this. was. this happened in FarmVille. Nice. Right? So, in FarmVille what. happened? We all played that and we were. like spending. more hours. We were spending money to. buy those coins so that we can grow like. fancier crops just to have the social. show off in front of our friends that we. have something unique and a bigger land.

and a best the best crops and the. fancier crops which you don't have. Right. So, we already have been seeing. this. And the more and more we get. digital, the things get on our devices. Obviously, you're going to look people. from the perspective of just this one. device which is going to be in front of. you, not here. Right. So, it's going to. be more relevant. That is what you mean. to say. And once that happens, maybe you. want to hang out with on a social. platform because people want. socializing, right? People want to. comment, people want to do all of that. It's not far where instead of DMing each.

other, you would like be in let's say. some. some Pluto or you and then you'll be. chatting there and going hand-in-hand. going their holograms will be talking. Precisely. All of that. Like this is. what you mean. And this is how the. social's going to be like. The behavior. is already being seeded offline. Which. is let's say I go to the food I eat is. in a in a in a fancy cafe designed for. you to Instagram about it. The place. itself is now built in such a way that I. snap a picture, put it out there on on.

socials. In fact, the content, the blogs are. being written like now the most popular. blogs are the ones top 15 Instagrammable. cafes in this city, not the top 15 who. have the best food. Right. And you from there let's assume. you go to a concert the same day. What. do you do in the concert? You don't. listen to the music, you hold your phone. up in order to record that for an hour. and a half. Yeah. Right? Like that's. that's it. Why is all of that being done offline in. the first place? Right? The space you. hang out in, the music festival that you.

go to, as well as the people you talk to. can all exist in a in a 3D shared space. Yeah. And so we've been doing all of it. probably in a clunkier manner if I were. to think of it in in in like the real. world. As compared to the metaverse just. jumps in and says, "I'm giving you a. device that's good enough for. experiences that are crazy enough that. you can spend with your friends that you. never could have in the past." Oh yes. And the commerce also going to get. changed out of the What I'm imagining is. let's say if we all are sitting here, I. have the device on my head like in my. eyes and all of a sudden we're walking.

on the street and I saw this guy wearing. those shoes or like damn, those were. nice shoes. I can just like click, bought, add to cart, and it's going to. get done. Yeah. Right? It's like by. walking because most of the time we buy. things by looking at other people what. they are buying. And now when people will be walking. around, oh I like that t-shirt, Click. I. like that belt. Click. Like this is what. how the commerce is going to get shaped. as well. Here's the cooler part. You. mentioned that when you saw the shoes on. your foot that it was compelling enough. that you thought wow, that's the real. deal. Imagine if you're walking down the.

street and someone else when you. specifically look at those shoes, there. is a digital NFT on top of that which. allows you to simply augment virtual. fashion. Mhm. Those shoes can be like a. crazy fluorescent color. It's not. fluorescent in real life, but when you. see that through an augmented reality. pair of glasses, you can now have. digital fashion completely springing. through on anybody's t-shirt, uh sneakers, and anything else that you. want. Which means self-expression on top. of a normal-looking piece of clothing. can now be absolutely anything that you. wish for it to be. Sweet. So, normal.

clothing can be as comfortable as. possible and then like for the show-off. part, you don't have to be uncomfortable. at all because you can do that through. That's intense. Okay, I get it. Now, I'm. I'm excited about it. Okay, I really see. that the computing is going to change. The computing is not my era. Not my. arena. I don't understand it as of now. Maybe 5 years later I decide to become a. techie like you and I get on the same. path and I'm going to bother you again. be like, "Okay, now I want to learn all. of this." Then it makes sense, but today. it doesn't. But what about the content and the.

commerce part? How can people like me. and the people who are listening or. people like my team, we are not from the. tech background. How do we take the advantage of it? What. are the first let's say, what are the. opportunities for us, right? So, what can we build or do or bet on so. that we make at the end of the day we. want to make wealth. We want to produce. something. We want to create something. which makes us happy. And we want to be. just we want to show off as well. So, all three things, how can we do? How can.

we find opportunities? I think creators. are creators are just outrageous at. building value here and being. resourceful about that value in terms of. how it's built. Uh the most amount of horsepower for for. creativity or like thought is probably. in this space. Now with that the the cool part is. computing very quickly follows the. content commerce or rather leads the. content commerce part. How is. Let's go to the smartphone again. Because the smartphone existed is why an. Instagram and a TikTok existed in the. first place. Yeah.

The device means whole new ways of. engaging with content start to come up. Which then leads to a absolute industry. of creators who do incredible things on. that platform. The same is now applicable as we go into. the metaverse. You will have virtual influencers who. are completely AI generated or 3D. generated who can be complete CGI, right? And they could be running music. concerts for all you know, right? Like. Marshmallow's a guy who's probably. wearing that that that that whole gear.

right now and going about the concert, but Marshmallow in a metaverse is can be. nobody. Yeah. It can just be generated. by a programmer sitting in his basement. and absolutely crush it. Now the way. that we can now be creative is just. absolutely no limits, right? The parts that would immediately show up. is on something called virtual land, right? Which is just like the way you. have real estate in in your Bangalore. and Mumbai. You're going to have real. estate in the metaverse. Yeah. And this. real estate is going to be bought and. sold, believe it or not. And people are.

paying a pretty penny for it, right? Like I'm talking in the hundreds of. thousands of dollars to own pixels on. the internet, right? And the reason they. do that is because they want to now. build on that land. Yeah. So you as a. creator, imagine if you had the chance. to build your own private area in in. your neighborhood, which would have just. been the creator house. Mhm. And so. that's a monumental annoying task. But. in the metaverse, that's actually really. simple, right? You can buy virtual land. and set up a like a creator house which.

is truly what you think art should be, right? Someone comes into that house, they're going to spend a lot of time. with you as the person. The things that. you want them to feel, right? This could. be music, this could be. um inspiration, this could be art. And. then at the end of this all, they then. have a chance to buy an NFT, right? In. order to show their solidarity and. support about the fact that I truly am. here to support the creator in the first. place. So, the metaverse is incredible. from the standpoint of experience. creation in the virtual space. The. second is digital fashion, right?

Um. Fortnite's skins, right? Like things. that you throw on your character is a. $60 million business annually. Yeah. Right? And that's like kids buying in. skins in order to distinguish what their. character is with someone. That's it. It. doesn't even give you a comparative. advantage in the game. Imagine that, but at a complete fashion. level, right? Like the things you wear, the avatars that are there, or even in. augmented reality, right? Like I'm If. I'm looking at you right now and you. decide to accessorize yourself with an.

AR hat, that's your choice. Yeah. And that. digital fashion is going to become a. whole other space that creators can now. go after. Anybody who's dropping merch. today. technically should look at ways in order. to engage with digital fashion to engage. with their community even further. And the last part is around. is around the commerce part, right? Which is. creators now can monetize through tokens. and non-fungible tokens. Wait, what the hell, right? A token is.

simply a way for me to buy in to your. promise even before you have delivered, right? You go on and you state tomorrow. that I'm going to do 100 podcasts next. year. Yeah. Right? And now I think of. you as a as as as a as a company listed. in the stock market. Yeah. Right? And. the company's made a promise. Holy hell, that seems a good promise. I'm going to go and buy shares, which is. what we typically do. Now, what if. that's a token that I purchase off the. person quite literally? Right? I hold on. to that and you live up to your promise,

right? You deliver upon what you claim. Which meant that your credibility is now. being built. More people have been in. your sphere of influence and they are. now willing to write this journey with. you even further. Yeah. What a share. market does. Right, and that's but now decentralized. to the point of individual people is. really where we can start off at. So, the next project that you embark on can. possibly be funded even before you. start. Human IPO. Completely. Right, so that's the. commerce part where it starts with the.

person, the things they decide to. monetize or put out and then eventually. anything that is creative that they can. put out there. It's almost like a. digital renaissance all of a sudden, right? Which is. people are truly appreciating art, creativity, and technology coming. together and willing to pay a price that. is. fair and just to the creator in this. case and not by running an ad in front. of your face. And this is probably some. of the best times to exist and try to. innovate. No, make make sense. For all the artists.

it makes sense because now if I feel, let's say, I'm going to become big. Example, I say one podcast, example, give me 5 lakhs of revenue. And I'm. going to do if I make it big, one. podcast going to give me 5 lakhs of. revenue. And I'm going to do 100. podcasts in a year. Right, okay. But. today, one podcast only giving me. 50,000. So, what I want to do is, in. order to scale. I want you guys to buy my thing at a. valuation of 50,000.

Right. Take like 10 p 10 tokens of me. out of the 100 tokens which are. available and then when it becomes 5. lakh, every episode you're going to get. 50,000, right? Because the 10% you own. it. This is what you mean. So, every. time I'm going to make it simplified. This is like we build on our imaginary. world. Let's talk about the real world. This is what happens with artist. So, Spotify. Right. YouTube streaming, like YouTubers. So, every time the Spotify artist, let's. say, if I believe in someone artist some. artist some musician going to become big.

or some YouTuber is going to become big. And I bet on very early on okay I feel. this content is really good. He's only. on 10,000 subscribers. Let me bet on. him. I buy his tokens. And then tomorrow. this guy becomes really really big. So. every time he does a brand deal, he does. something, he does big things, I get a. piece of it and I get to make money. throughout the throughout my life. completely based on his success. And. imagine all of this without the. centralized authority. If you identify. Pratik Quad before like the first 100. streams on Spotify, you got nothing.

except some bragging rights probably in. life. Yeah. But if you had found the same guy. in Web3, right? In a tokenized platform, that would probably be a meaningful. four-digit five-digit differentiation in. terms of the tokens that would have. appreciated at that point of time. And. that is why Web3 is so much more. incentivizing the users who come in. early and are able to spot the right. things at that point of time. So but now the game is only going to be. about. the the the game's going to be three. things, okay? One, how well you know.

your art. Whatever you know, you can. build or make money out of it, but you. need to know something really really. well. Okay? Second is how quick you are. you able to understand and go with your. gut feeling. Like how. how fast you can take risks in order to. capitalize on the people who are. building up in your community so that. you can build on them or maybe invest on. them and do things. And the third is. how quickly you are ready to learn and. create yourself so that you keep.

experimenting. Let's say you want to. experiment like a virtual creator house. If that works, you scale it up. If that. doesn't work, you build a virtual music. concert. If that works, it doesn't work. So you need to be I think everything. which entrepreneurship stands for, you. need to do that faster in order to scale. on digital world. That's all. Completely. And And the space has been. moving at the rate of knots, right? Like. a thousand odd projects would be. launching on a daily basis right now. And probably 900 failing, right? And.

that's the beauty of it, right? What's. the best time to climb Mount Everest? Not when it's littered with dead bodies, right? It's the best time to climb it is. when it's probably early when people. don't know enough about it. Yeah. You. need to be in the ground floor of. innovation, right? And and that ground. floor opportunity comes very rarely. The. last time it did was what? 2007 with the. iPhone. And the time before that was. 1994 with the internet. Right? So, you. don't get such opportunities in terms of. being part of cultural and technological. changes. at the very inception. And that's. probably the precipice at which we stand.

right now. And this is our time. Completely. Our time is now. Like this This is my. tagline for my speeches also. Like this. is us and our time is now. It's so apt, yeah. Genuinely so. this say this so often after I end every. speech when it comes like I mean I'm. talking about live stage speeches. Not. like Solid the digital ones. I'm talking. about the offline ones. Where I used to do this I used to say. this. Okay. Now for everyone who's. listening, where can we learn about these things so.

that it makes more sense for us? And I'm. talking about from the perspective of. somebody who doesn't know anything about. it. Who has zero clue. Right? Like doesn't. understand computing technology from. people who are like very normal people. day-to-day work who probably going to. discover this podcast for the first. time. 30 minutes they'll be sleeping. 20. minutes they'll be like, "Oh, dude. Okay. I can't figure out. They're going to. revisit again from the beginning." And. they're like, "Okay, what's happening? I. don't know. Where do I learn? What do I. do?".

I think. I would look at the metaverse more like. a journey than a destination, right? Like just getting started, there are 150. ways for you to enter this space, right? You can be a You can be a trader who. wants to make a quick buck, right? And. crypto is a great starting point. You. can be an artist and you want to drop. your own NFTs and hence NFTs are great. starting point. You can be a programmer. and AR VR makes sense today. You can. That can be a starting point as the way. I got into the space. Or you could be an. architect, right? And you can say, "Look, buildings exist in real life. The.

heck, you're telling me buildings will. exist in the metaverse? I'm going to try. that." Right? So, or you could be a. community manager in a co-working space. offline. And you're going to be like, "The concept The way humans think is the. same. I'm going to manage a community in. the metaverse." Right? And that's a. really important skill to have. Co-working places in metaverse. Insane. And uh which means that the logical. starting point is actually not to. prescribe, but to just pause. Take a. look at the role you're in today. Right?

There's a very strong chance in some. way, format, or shape that's going to. translate. Right? And to a web3. platform. And we're not We're not. upending society. We're accelerating the. way it's functioning in a digital world. Which means whatever you're doing today. will simply be crazier when you do it in. web3 and in in the metaverse. Let's probably start there. As a. profession, if you are in the creative. aspect, I think. just logging on to OpenSea and trying to. just figure out what the what the hell. NFTs are is a start.

I've always prescribed that getting your. hands dirty is probably the best. teacher, right? So, a 5,000 word article. or blog probably written by like Ben. Thompson from Stratechery is cool, is. great. It's not going to teach you. exactly how to go about it. So, I would. say fail and fail fast. Best way to. learn. Buy your first NFT. Get your. hands burned. Right? Or uh buy your. first token. Get your hands burned. Very. rarely are you are you going to nail it. or hit a home run in your first shot, right? You're not going to hit a six the.

first time you face a grade A fast. bowler when you're a village cricketer. Yeah. Right? And that's exactly the same. thing here. Why would you expect your. first investment of a 100 rupees on a. shitcoin to suddenly give you a 1,000 X? Don't start. Right? I would say. get going, get your hands burned for a. second. That teaches you. Right? You're. like, why did I go wrong? And that in. that intrinsic human annoyance of what. did I mess up probably teaches you way. more through that journey than anything. else. Right? So, um.

if you want to go about learning about. the metaverse per se, I would say. just find the closest place where you. can have access to a virtual reality or. an augmented reality headset. Just go. try it out. Right? I think way too many. people speak about the metaverse without. necessarily experiencing VR or AR before. that. Right? Like because it's. fashionable, right? It's it's easy to go. at it. Yeah. Um I think the starting point is just. take a look at it. Understand what can be done, what can't. be done.

And then probably you'll automatically. start joining the dots from what you're. good at, what you like versus what you. can make money with. Make sense. That has a lot of. entrepreneurship lessons actually. You. know, it's not We didn't I thought that. we were going to talk a lot about VR, AR, and NFTs, but we talked a lot about. human behaviors and how humans can. succeed in their lives. Because that's. what we talked about. We talked about. asking questions, having a thing to build startups or. build something just to solve problem,

then institutionalizing things, then. trying to figure out how the heck I can. learn more about it, then mixing and. matching 10 different kind of fields so. that you can bring out and build better. solutions, then understanding who's the. big guy, who's the small guy that's. trying to sell services to the small. guys and the big guys, then big guys are. going to give you revenue so you deepen. your relationship with them. Once you. deepen the relationships, you build. something meaningful. Once you build. something meaningful, now you're going. to have enough resources to outsource it. so that once you outsource it, you only.

focus on the creating part of it, then. you'll have another time. So, for the. time when you have, you dig deep on the. process of what you're building. Once. you dig deep on that particular part, you're going to explore the new ways and. you're going to understand human. behavior and you're going to see the. patterns which are helping you succeed. in a particular industry. And that is. ludicrous if whatever I said this in. last 1 minute, if people could just. point that out. and start learning about those things.

which I just talked about, I think that. itself can teach them a lot about. building a startup or building a life. which they dream or desire right now. Finally, all of this started because of. bad grades. You'll have that This started because of. bad grades. This genuinely like podcast. figuring out the name figuring out came. because I was bad at school. I was horrible at school and. I used to keep telling my dad. that, you know, I'm going to figure out. something. And I was like, so I was.

trying to build my startup, I was really. trying to build my offline business and. I was like, "What are you doing? At. least tell us I'm like, "Dad, I'm. figuring out.". I don't know what to do. And my dad gave. me this timeline. He was like, "Till. 25." I was 16 and luckily for some. reason I got out of school at the age of. 16. Nice. 12th, I graduated 12th in at the. age of 16. You escaped early. Uh yeah, I. escaped early. Let's just say that. So, my dad told me that. till 25, you have time. Nice. Do whatever the [ __ ] you want to.

do. Wow. Fail, learn, do whatever you want. to do. You're going to have house. because this is the house we own. So, you're going to live here. We're not. going to kick you out. You're going to. get food. You're going to get clothes. you have. This is what you have. Okay? Probably slowly slowly slowly we'll keep. putting foundation, we'll keep cutting. down your pocket money and all of that. as you grow, but these thing three. things you're going to have till the. time you turn 25. Right. After till 25, if you figure out. something by your own out of your. passion, keep doing that for rest of. your life. Wow. If not, I'm going to.

kick you and make you do what I know. So, either you figure out what you know. or you I'll make you like I'll make you. do stuff I know. Wow, yeah. Very good. framework. I loved it. I started. figuring out and I kept telling. everyone, "What are you doing?" I'm. figuring out. I've time till 25. I've. time till 25. And I'm 25 today, I'm. still figuring out. In fact, figuring. out I've made enough uh I think I've. made this property good enough that. proudly when my dad asked me, "What are. you doing?" I'm doing figuring out.

Perfect. It's become a thing of its own. Yeah. Now it has become It is now giving. me bread, butter, and everything in my. life. I'll tell you as much choice I had. My. dad looked at me straight dead in the. eye and said, "Uh you're going to pick. engineering, but I'm going to let you. choose which branch of engineering you. might want to pick.". The generosity of that really caught me. off guard. Right? So, uh but besides He. was kind. At least he was kind. That's bad. And I've always believed. that you need a chip on your shoulder, right? In order to get far. That hunger.

sort of exists. In your scenario, it was. an actual timer that was there before. you 25. In a lot of people's scenario, it's. surprisingly your goddamn neighbor, right? Your marks card is probably the. only reason why you need to exist and I. love your mom to rub it in someone. else's face. And wow, things can get petty and. competitive there, you know, can't it? And that that eventually creates a chip. on your shoulder. You will have this one. relative or uncle or cousin who's. absolutely crushing it in academics. Yeah. Now he's the yardstick. Oh my god.

Don't even get me started. All my. cousins are toppers. Like straight out, right? Okay, my dad, he was a state topper. Let's just not go there. So, things began a lot closer at home. itself. Right? So, and what that what. that eventually creates is a. is a canister. There's so much pressure. that you either just go pop or you find. a way in order to have that outlet into. like a good attitude. Yeah. And that. chip on the shoulder is usually what has. created some of India's best.

entrepreneurs. And I think as long as. that exists in some way, it's not it's. not crippling, but it's all that that. little bit of hunger that allows you to. go that extra mile. I The hunger part, I want to end this. podcast with the hunger part is. that. I keep saying this, I've been fortunate. with the kind of parenting I've had. I. think if I don't do something big in my. life, it'll be really bad for the kind. of parenting I've gotten. I think. someone else would have gotten them who. could do like my parents have never. pressured me to do anything. They've.

always instilled the self-belief in me. They've the absolutely good. All the. good things you can think about it. My. mom and dad Mom taught me to be. generous, keep giving, giving, giving so. that you get great value without. expectations all like all the. fundamentals of how to be a good human. being, my parents have put in me. Okay. So, that is really good. But still. because I was born in an environment. where every one around me were toppers. Right? In fact, my best friends, like. close friends, usually like toppers have.

topper friends. And like you know, average people have. average friends. My average like I was like 50 60%. student, but my top four friends I used. to hang out with, they were all 90 plus. Mhm. I don't know how this happened. My. cousin, they were 90 plus. So, I've. always had this feeling. that I'm not enough. I had this inferiority complex until. 12th I was not able to speak in English. properly. So, obviously and the place where I come. from English speaking in English school.

considered cool. Like you have to be in. the hip guys. And we were not that rich. So, always had this inferiority complex. And that gave me the hunger that I want. to become better than my friends. I want. to become better than my dad's friends. I want to become better than my cousins. and everyone. That drove me to do. whatever we are doing right now. For. sure, yeah. So, like hunger is really. important. And I feel most of the people. see it as a pressure. Like most of the. people would see it as okay, my dad. forced engineering on me. But you saw.

that opportunity in the diversity. Most. of the people would feel that oh, I am. not enough is bad thing to do. So I saw. that opportunity there. And I think the. people should figure out what drives. them and what keeps them hungry. That is. the only way to go ahead regardless of. which field do you choose. Completely. You can only play the hand. you're dealt with. So might as well now. try optimizing that. Oh, sweet. Played. in the best way possible. That's it. Thanks a lot for doing this, man. I'm sure that people would have. gotten a lot of insights from it. I'm.

going to definitely if you have any. books or insights or some blogs to put. out on, I'm going to put the links of it. and definitely definitely people are. going to follow you and find out more. about your journey. Thanks a lot, man. Thanks for. Thanks for having me.