JRE MMA Show #182 - Protect Ya Neck

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> Hey. >> What's up, brother? So, your boy Tommy. was awesome. Good. >> He was really cool. >> Yeah. I actually listened on the way out. to that one. >> He's really fun. Tommy Lee is fun. >> He's like a big kid, man. A big kid. >> Yeah. like a 15-year-old that just. never, you know, had all the way up.

Well, he got famous when he was 18, so. he really never had to grow up. He just. stayed Tommy Lee. >> Yeah. I'm glad you finally got to uh. have him on. >> It was very cool. >> So, it was good. >> It's weird that he's he's really into. bonsai trees. >> Oh, big time. >> Crazy. >> Trims them up. He's. >> got likeundred yard. >> His uh you make them yourself, too. >> His yard, he'll he sets up like a whole. like zen garden type of thing. It's. pretty wild. But he's he's been into. those and he likes to trim them up and. uh you know it's pretty pretty wild. He. he's just he's a positive energy nice.

guy. Like he's never never been in my. you know uh what do you want to say. interactions with him never he's never. been a dick. Never. I just he was cool to work for. >> Well I only worked I I met him rather. when you were working with him when you. were his bodyguard and then uh this is. the other time I met him. So he was. super cool. >> Nice. Good. I remember him on his car. with his [laughter] dick. >> His pecker's as tall as you are. >> I remember him with his [laughter]. huge dick with Pamel Anderson.

He's He's got a lot of advantages in. this life, doesn't he? >> Good lord. [laughter] Good lord. Godamn. >> Same person. >> And one of the greatest drummers of all. time. That was [snorts] like one of the. first sex tapes. >> Oh, yeah. That was probably the first. celebrities. actual celebrities allowed. them to get famous afterwards. >> Well, they were already famous. That was. why it was crazy. Both of them were. super famous, >> right? But I mean, allow like they keep. to catapult them into like a different. stratosphere, >> right? Well, anytime one of them. celebrities is dating another celebrity,

they it's like their superpowers. unite. >> He was with Heather Lleier, too, right? >> Was it? Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, he was a fun dude. The the. the trees thing is wild though. I didn't. know that these people, they have like. hundredy old trees, 200 year old trees, 300-y old bonsai trees, and they pass. them down through generations. They have. like paperwork. So, you know, like who's. the guy who first started the tree and. they've got these trees that are like. several hundred years old and they're.

like this big and they're in like a pot. It's all like an artistic thing. They're. trimming them in certain patterns and. every time they try to grow, you trim. them down and they just like tighten up. and it makes a weird form. >> Yeah. It comes out straight. >> They're pretty cool looking. Actually, >> I wonder if the tree likes it, though. [laughter]. >> She's like, "Hey, >> I'm 300 years old. I'm 16 in tall. This. is [laughter] retarded.". >> I think for him though, he's had such a.

crazy high pace life. That. >> the yin to the yang. You know what I. mean? That's how he relaxes. >> I loved hearing it. It sounded perfect. I was like, "Oh, you found a great. thing.". >> And you see he's a gear head, too, like. you. So, you guys had a little. >> Yeah. He was talking about. >> bonding on the cars. >> First cars he bought, he bought a an old. Corvette. It was he got a. supercharger put on it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a He's a maniac. He's definitely a maniac. But he's a. very nice. I mean, >> rock and roll, man. I mean, the guy was. the the drummer for Mly Crew.

[clears throat] I don't can't even at. 18. Can't even imagine what that must. have been like. >> Must have been insane. >> A lot of these guys, they don't want to. stop touring all these rock and roll. stuff. >> Why would they want to? that adrenaline. But some of them should. though some of them [laughter] some of. them I saw some clips. Who the was. it? >> David Lee Roth. >> No, I think it was the guy from AC/DC. >> Brian Johnson. >> I don't know if it's that great. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's bad, >> dude. AC/DC. My favorite one of my. favorite alltime bands and Brian Johnson. struggling. I mean, but that screaming.

style he has. >> How do you keep that going? Like no. acting or vocal coach would ever tell. you you could sing like that. [laughter]. >> I don't think so. You just can't sing. like that. >> You can't scream like that. >> I wonder if they get like 60-year-old. groupies. >> 100%. [laughter] 100%y. old grouping that flame lit. >> Oh my god. >> They've been keeping that flame lit. since the 80s. [laughter]. course. >> But do they have like new groupies. though? >> Of course. Of course. You know, there's.

no way they don't. Like doesn't. What's his What the What is What is his. name? Um, Jesus Christ. >> What? Rolling Stones. >> I forget what it was. >> MC Jagger. >> Well, I know MC Jagger has a kid that's. really young. Like MC Jagger just had a. kid like really recently. Really? >> Yeah. >> He's like in his 80s. >> I was thinking of someone else though. Someone else is is another Oh, there's a. bunch of guys like that. Like Aluccino. just. >> Oh, yeah. That's true. True. True. >> But a lot of older guys like that, they.

wind up having kids. Like they're still. obviously getting young chicks to. them. It's kind of irresponsible though. >> I mean, but maybe it's crazy. >> You hope he's [laughter] gonna take care. of the kid, but maybe it's the young. chick that wants the kid, you know, worse. But it's still, if you did it on. purpose, if you're the guy and you did. it on purpose, that's wild. >> I don't even want to be around. I'm just. going to have this kid at 80. >> It's more important that my jeans pass. on that I be there for my child. >> Think about that. By the time you're 85, you're probably gone.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. By the time you're 85, >> you won't even see your kid go to. school. >> You'll be 5 years old. And the you know, the kid will be 5 years old and the dad. dies. >> Maybe the maybe the wife wanted it. You. know, you leave something behind type of. thing. You know, >> it maybe it's better than not doing it. Maybe. >> Yeah. >> But also, if you're a rational. 80-year-old [laughter] like, bro, you. barely have time to take care of. yourself. You can't even keep your own. in your pants. [laughter]. >> You're going to raise a kid both.

your diapers. >> You're going to take the kid to the park. and watch changing the kids diapers. [laughter] and yours. Bro, you're going to break a hip and. your toddler is going to be screaming. and no one will hear it, right? >> And you're going to be alone with them. at the park and you're going be lying. there bleeding internally from a broken. hip [laughter]. >> and the kid's going to walk off and. you're going to watch the kid. >> 5 years old. Yeah. [laughter]. >> Three-year-old wander off and you're 80. That's nuts. >> Oh yeah. By the way, Longo, you got him. upset because he's he's like, "Man, I've. been feeling good." He's like, "I'm, you.

know, I'm at the gym every day and I go. I I turn on Rogan and he's he's. bitching about being 58." I'm like, "What the fuck?" [laughter]. >> He's 68. >> Oh. >> So basically like he's like, "I the. He's complaining about being 58. He's 68. He looks great. He looks. looks real good. Looks great. He's got dark ass hair, right? >> I know, right? >> He don't [laughter] have he don't have a. Ronald Reagan hair. >> He's looking He's looking He's looking. good. >> That's great." And then he asked me. about a what the.

Ronald Reagan had dark hair like deep. into like the 70s. [laughter]. >> My is all white. If I grew my if I. had hair and I grew it out, it'd be all. gray. >> Really? >> Yeah. Mostly. >> It's like my face like my like my. stubble. It's like at least 60% gray. >> Yeah. Mine is all gray now. >> It's weird. There's something about a. gray beard that's like you're just. saying it. >> Yeah. That's why that's [laughter] why. that's why I just started trimming it. down. I was like, yo, this is. ridiculous. Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't like the way it looks. When I see myself in the mirror with a.

gray beard, I'm like, "Who the are. you?". >> Yeah, >> you're supposed to have a dark beard. >> for sure. >> I had a dark beard most of my life. >> I'm looking at the pictures from like. like a couple years ago and it's dark. now. It's all gray. Like, what the. happened? >> They had a thing on A&E with me and. George and they had they showed a clip. of me and you talking. I still we both. had hair. [laughter]. >> I. >> Yeah, we It looked crazy now. You you. look you what? You're just slowly. slipping into the grave. [laughter].

>> We're looking good though. Holding it. down as long as we can. >> Yes. Compared to people that don't take. care of themselves and also compared to. people from the past. That's what I'm. saying. They didn't have TR, >> you know, red light therapy. >> But think about like in the 80s what 40. year olds look like in the 80s. >> Yeah. They were. >> And I think uh the like martial arts. also helps. Like we just had a a an. event Henzo's 30th anniversary for his. academy in the US. >> That was great. >> And they invited all the OGs. So we, you.

know, we were I has seen guys I hadn't. seen in decades. >> Got a fifth degree. >> But yeah, I got Matt got look at that. >> That's amazing. [clears throat]. >> And uh I mean we were talking like. almost everybody looked good. everybody. Everybody and there was. >> Well, if you continue to train 60 guys. there, >> it's the thing is you you got to. maintain and if you don't maintain, you're never getting it back. >> You don't you don't get you can't like. at 50, you can't take three years off. like. it's just too hard to get back. >> And if you never worked out before and.

you're like 46 and you're starting now, like. >> it's tough. >> That's a hard road, man. You never. worked out before. Like, first of all, go slow. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You got to break everything. >> Well, that's the problem. People want to. jump right in and then you get hurt or. get busted up a little bit and then it. just defeats, you know what I mean? You're like, "Fuck this." Which is the. big shape, not get injured. >> The big reality about age is how long it. takes to heal something. >> Yeah, it does. >> My kids get hurt. They just heal. up like Wolverine. It's nuts. [laughter]. >> Like within a few days. Oh, my. shoulder's fine again. Like you.

just did a backflip and landed on your. shoulder. You're all right. I would be. up for a year. They just they. just heal quicker. They have they're. alive. [laughter]. >> I mean, it's it's It's the. truth. That's the truth, man. That's the. number one thing that happens as you get. older. >> If you're lifers like us, you just got. to be smart about your training. >> Like, you know, I got young savages. I. don't want I don't I I'm I. choose who I want to roll with. Like, you know what I mean? >> You don't got to be that guy to. just slay everybody on the mat because. you're the Sensei.

>> You're going to break. You'll break. You. You know, it's like you you have a. Corvette, you take it around the track, you can only do so many laps. Every car, even Formula 1 cars that cost $100. million, whatever they break. You can. only go so far, so fast, so long before. you blow a rod, you got some goes. sideways. Everybody I know has had. surgery. Like everybody, [laughter]. everybody. >> Like for me, like when I'm in Philly. with the crew, Brady and Piper and them, like it's hard being in a room with. these guys cuz they want to grab you and.

do moves on you. And I'm like, "Yo, chill out, man. Let's grab one of the. younger guys.". >> Bro, the last guy you want grabbing you. is Brady. >> Yeah. Jesus Christ. >> Gets on top of you and just starts. squeezing you will grip. His that. fight with Buckley. I was like, "Holy man.". >> He raged, >> bro. Was it was the the the level of. domination was like shocking. I was. like, "Okay, so this is his best form.". Like this is him at his best. At his. best is terri. He's a little. inconsistent. Like he's the Morales.

fight was tough, but when and he said. it's like his head wasn't in it, but. when his head is in it and he's. like dialed in. >> for sure, man. He's like when he grabs. you, >> bro. >> Like he'll squeeze you and you just. start making like little noise like. >> when he did a Leon and what he did did. to you're like, "Holy man. What is. that like?". >> That was beautiful. >> Beautiful. >> As explosive an athlete as. >> the like everywhere they went, he was. just following them one step ahead. It. was like no escape.

>> Yeah. Yeah. He don't want you out, man. >> Smush. >> Yeah. His back is so big. He just gets. so much coverage over you when he's on. top of you. >> And the balance. It's just every he just. like so many steps ahead of them on the. ground. >> The one time it really looked like a. cardio drill. Like he was on [laughter]. top like he was just it would look like. he was just getting like placid face. super calm. >> I believe where they were he wasn't. allowed to do the 12 to six elbows. >> Oh, that's so crazy. That's where I. right or wrong. Something like that.

>> So there's I think Jersey is still like. that, right? Yeah. >> There's a lot of places that are like. that, man. [clears throat] It's so dumb. >> That are still using the old unified. rules. >> It's so dumb. Like that that rule. doesn't make any sense. >> It would be nice. >> I get it if you if it's, you know, soccer kicks. Okay, you want to have a. debate? But if you can elbow this way. and this way and this way, but you can't. go this way, that's just. >> And everybody else is doing it, so why. would you not do it? >> It doesn't make sense. And you have to. remember what state you're in. That's. the problem. >> So, like when you're in the fight and. you're on instinct and the guy's like.

this, but it's wide open for a 126. elbow. You're supposed to throw it. That's what it's for. >> Yeah. For safety's sake and the. fighter's abil and the referee's ability. to make a decision have consistency in. the rule set. >> It's just another elbow. It doesn't make. any sense. Like this one elbow that's. outlawed. That's crazy, >> right? >> I don't know why. >> You can you can knee the hell out of. somebody in their face. You can jump. You can run and jump and. kneel in the face. >> Oh god. And some of the craziest. knockouts we've ever seen come from.

that. Like we were just talking about. Mazvidal versus Askin the other night. >> Oh man. >> Hey, he's supposed to be wrestling. again. >> But is that is that a good idea? >> No. >> I saw him talking the other day. >> Yeah, that freaked me out when I heard. that. >> when he was talking. and he was coughing. a lot and I'm like do you listen when. you're people who are athletes. they're afraid of wrestling because it's. exhausting they don't want to feel that. that burn in their lungs you really want. to push yourself like that.

>> I worry about I just don't want him to. get. >> totally with you I mean he had double. lung transplant surgery like how long. ago. >> that was like a year ago [laughter]. >> a year ago. >> maybe two years ago maybe two years ago. >> I'd be worried even just about infection. >> I'd be worried about everything and I. would also be worried If you're doing. that, I think you have to take. amunosuppressant. drugs in order to keep someone else's. organs inside of you. >> So, you're going to go out into a giant. crowd of people. >> My friend CT Fletcher, you know, CT. Fletcher CT had a heart transplant and.

uh he has to take medication to keep. this heart in his body, keep his body. from rejecting it. And he has a bunch of. complications from the medication like. makes him swell. and he posts videos and. pictures about like it's a serious thing. and he had to be real careful during CO. like you have a heart transplant and. then you're on imunosuppressant drugs. and then all a sudden or a bad flu like. anything bad will kill you cuz. your immune system is working in a weird. way cuz it's trying to keep someone.

else's heart inside of you. >> Yeah. Your body's like, "Who's this. heart? This is not our heart. Get it out." Your body's like, "This is. a disease.". >> Which is wild that your body knows. >> Yeah. like it recognizes that it's from. another. >> and we're just like no we can we can. hack nature shove it in there and give. you some drugs that make your body stay. alive. I think it was Bal Muhammad used. >> Maybe he has like an agreement like, "Hey, listen, man. >> Didn't they used to train together?". Right?

>> They did used to train together. >> So, they're friends. Maybe that's the. deal. >> Dude, we were just reading about this. last night. Two people have had pig. hearts transplanted in their bodies. >> No way. >> Yeah. One guy stayed alive, I think, for. 60 days, and one guy stayed alive for 40. days. >> Did they gain a lot of weight? [laughter]. Did. >> they become fatties? [laughter]. They start put shoveling their face in. the trash. So, uh, so wait, they tell. whose idea was it to put a pig heart in.

another human being? >> Uh, there's a a bunch of doctors cuz. apparently pig's hearts for some reason. uh are similar in function to a human. heart. >> Say that about a sheep's vagina, [laughter]. >> don't they? >> Don't they? >> They do. >> I I'm no farmer, but that's what I. heard. >> That's what [laughter] I heard, too. So. a pig's heart. >> Yeah. >> And that's That's crazy, man. >> It's crazy. And so they did it on two. people. >> Yeah. But either way, the whole thing of.

transplanting organs from other people. is like super risky and dangerous. And. once it's working, the the number of. like we looked at heart transplants. I. don't know what it is for lung double. lung transplants, but it look you look. at mortality over a period of years. And. so it's like 91% of the people survived. the first year. And then it starts and. then it starts going down. So 9% of the. people die after the heart transplant. But then it starts to go down after you. know that's for the first year. When it. gets to five years then you're in the.

80s or the 90s and then the 80s and it. keeps dipping. It keeps dipping until. like at 10 years it's like half of them. are dead. >> Jesus. >> Yeah. So you're buying some time, >> right? >> But you know it's hard though. What. about other. >> It's a good question. Like so what is it. like for double lung transplant? I don't. know, but I would imagine it's fragile. >> You want to you want to put that in the. red? You want to push that where. you're breathing heavy? It felt like. yesterday he was making laps around the. hospital floor and that's a a dude. >> Well, he's a winner, right? And that's.

the problem. Like sometimes when you're. a winner, your your will is so strong. that you think you could force your body. into unrealistic expectations. >> There's got to be some agreement or. something. Yeah. >> Like I just in my mind too, >> but a good dude. >> He [clears throat] cheated. He I mean he. basically you cheated death. >> Yes. >> Your family now you have your family. back. You understand you have a second. chance. >> Like why would you put that at risk to. do something? >> Maybe him and you have nothing to prove. >> have like a friendly what's kind of.

>> wrestling role kind of friendly. wrestling. I don't think that though. he's an animal aspirin a animal. >> I I don't think that they have an. agreement with each other. I think that. somebody told Bal, hey listen man, don't. push this dude. Well, he said like I saw. an interview where he said like his. first question was what are you talking. about? Can he wrestle? >> You know what I mean? Has he even been. cleared? So. >> I I would I would not accept that if I. was Balo. I'd be like the the pros don't.

go. And this is no disrespect to Ascin. It's like I think that guy's an animal. Like I was one of the biggest promoters. of trying to get Askin into the UFC when. he was the champion of Bellator and the. AR and then when he went over to one and. the argument was like he was boring and. I was like no he's not boring. It's. crazy that he could do this to these. guys. >> Yeah. He could take guys like Douglas. Lima and just ragd doll to the ground. and they can't do to him. Corus. remember he did to him? >> Yeah. Yeah. He wasn't he wasn't boring. at all. He was destroying guys these. guys. They had zero chance in him not.

taking them down. It was zero chance and. it was beautiful, >> right? >> It wasn't like Alex Pereira flying knee. and somebody in the face, but it's still. another way to win. >> It was like a man and a child. >> Yes. It was crazy good. He was crazy. good. And then we got him like a little. late, right? We got him when he already. had hip problems and he eventually had. to get a hip replacement after he got. out of the UFC. You know, he had already. been 15 years in combat sports and then. all the years of wrestling and like but. those days when he was running at.

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we could have nowadays where, you know, they're both so um brilliant at the way. they use their art with him with his. wrestling and him with his jiu-jitsu. And in that fight, >> you got you got to see some of that with. with Ben. You got to see the takedowns. You got to see an Uma Plat reversal. uh. and a leg lock ashi reversal. I mean, beautiful jiu-jitsu. >> It was just such a It was such a great. fight, >> dude. Dame got harder than. anybody ever got by a referee's. decision. >> Kamar ever. Nobody got harder.

than Damian. >> Was it her? Who was it? >> I don't know. And maybe we shouldn't. even pull her name up. [laughter]. >> I can't do my boys like that, man. I got. to see them. I want to think I don't. remember the I don't remember who it was. but I think it was a guy who doesn't do. it in the UFC anymore but he had him on. his back one hook in over under. He had. gotten to a position where like you are. you're dry and you got the best. back specialist in the UFC. Damian Maya.

was a the way he ran through Neil Magna. you're like holy man. >> his jiujitsu is so high level and for. you to get off get him off and Kamaro's. one loss. >> right was to. >> naked Alex's brother. >> so it's like how many years ago was that. like and now you're fighting Damen Mia. and he's got your back you're in danger. like you're in danger and the referee. separated him and so never got to that. spot again Camaro played it nice he. fought a great fight won the fight and.

you're like damn Damn, Damen had him. >> He had him in a like not nine out of 10, but he had him in like a six out of 10. spot for him. >> Yeah. >> Like half the time he gets your back and. you're dry and you're not at his level. of jiu-jitsu. You're in You. should never You could You should never. separate anybody from that position. I. know you're a big proponent of not. standing people up, but especially. positions that it requires time to get. to. >> 100%. 100%. The idea that a guy can. defend it for a few seconds and the. crowd booze and that's enough for you to.

make him neutral again. you. I. know. It's so hard to get the toamaru. to give his back like that. >> And the tightness is what keeps that. position, you know, any space he makes. and Kamaru's gone. >> Name the amount of times in the history. of Kamaru's entire all the years of. competition where people got him in. disadvantageous grappling positions. >> Right. I can't think of. >> There's very few. Very few. Leonard. for a moment. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Chamay. But even Chamay, he was winning. the third round. >> Oh, well he. almost won that fight. >> It came like that a fight where I he won. the last half. >> But here he is. Here he is. This is. crazy. >> Oh Do I need head shot? >> Who is that matter? >> All right. >> So that sucks. Back it up again so you. can see how good the position was a. little further. >> That hook. >> Can you get it a little further back? >> Yeah. Here. So I I want to see it like.

when he starts entangling. This is so. bad for Kamaro. You have to understand. how bad this is. >> Yeah, this is bad. >> This is a This is not just simply he's. like behind you. >> and Maya had that the progression like. it was. >> He was just about to beat that wizard, >> bro. Look how good this looks too. Maya. is just a gorilla. >> His wrestling was underestimated too. like he was. >> so he was technical in everything. >> and his use of leverage and the his. positioning was always perfect. >> It just was so beautiful to watch when.

you see a guy just super highlevel. jiu-jitsu in the UFC just like oh my god. this is beautiful to watch. >> Yeah. I love how methodical he's working. his way his way into this. >> dangerous man. OH MY GOD. HE WAS GONNA step in there. Look at this. That arm is the only thing. >> and he's just about to beat that arm. >> And not only that, from here he could. just start beating him up with the right. hand, which he'll probably start doing. >> So if the referee really stands him up. from this position,

>> like this is a this is a crazy way to. separate people. >> This is bad, man. This is like for. tomorrow. This is super dangerous. >> Still got half the round left. >> Hanging on to that whizzer for dear life. is the only thing from keeping him from. getting this guy on your neck. how you. trying to trip. >> And that whizzer is like at 40% power. now because look how far back he is. >> Yeah. Yeah. Not much into that. >> Yeah. There's not much. >> It's hard. It's hard to generate power. like that with Camaro. I mean, he's got. full double under hooks. >> How do they break this up?

>> How do you break this up? This is crazy. to break up. >> Like this is such a dangerous position. >> Oh, this is bad. I don't recognize the. ref. >> Yeah, I can't remember. I I recognize. I'm [clears throat] not going to say his. name. There's no need to. But this is a. giant mistake. >> You're clear, Herb. [laughter]. >> Sometimes with Herb, though, it's all. right. >> Sometimes in fights, man, these guys. listen to the crowd. >> Yeah, it's it's kind of hard not to, right? And they feel responsible. >> Yeah, they do. And then the.

organization, I'm sure they feel. pressure because the organization wants. like fast action fights. But there's. certain situations where you you got to. just accept the fact that sometimes this. sport is not the most exciting for. moments because it's so exciting in. other spots. >> Oh, that's crazy right there. crazy. That's crazy. That's the worst. over that anybody's ever gotten in. the UFC. >> I mean, >> I think that's the worst. I mean, there. is the time that Bamante had to.

get two submissions. That's [laughter] a. pretty big Maya reminds me of. his striking wasn't as good as. Marillo's, but the combination of. wrestling and and his jiu-jitsu, like. once he got a hold of you, he was. probably going to put you out. >> Yeah. Merilla was so good. >> He's still coming around. He's got a. fighter in the UFC now. >> Nice. >> Does he? That's awesome. [clears throat]. >> Yeah. >> I saw him when I first started jiu-jitsu. at Carlson Graciey's place. >> Did you? >> Yeah. The very first year that I started. jiu-jitsu, it was like him. Vtor was.

there, Sergio Cohen, um, uh, Mario. Sperry. It was crazy. Like I just. stumbled, I just. lucked out and wound up watching these. guys train when like Vtor was about to. make his UFC debut. I was just starting. out. I was like, "This is amazing." You. >> seen all them guys in there, >> dude? They were all in there, man. You. could just come in off the street and. see the best jiu-jitsu guys in the world. training. >> That's crazy. It was crazy. And it was. all they were they were all fighting in. um there was the other guy. What's his.

name? >> Carlos Bakto. That's right. Carlos Betto. He was there. too. >> There was a bunch of those Carlson. Gracie team guys there. We just got. lucky that this was the place that. >> Yeah, man. >> Randleman. >> Yeah. >> Built like a He-Man figure. >> Carlson had some savages, man. He really. had a a great team. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was back then. >> Oh, that's that's where I got my black. belt from. >> Laboro. Yeah. Hell yeah. That's another. guy to be proud of. He is a good guy. >> Such a nice guy. >> Yeah. It's [clears throat] like uh it's.

kind of amazing when you realize that. before 1993, jiu-jitsu had no schools, >> right? [laughter]. >> And now and now they're everywhere. >> Every corner. >> Everywhere. That is grounds. Insane. Like the Gracie family. Like the. world owes them. >> Yeah. No, there's no doubt about it. >> owes them. The world, the whole world, >> the world is impacted. Like, think of. the world. >> The world, the whole world. >> Yeah. Everybody.

>> because I think liking MMA has impacted. culture and then people training much. more people training in jiu-jitsu has. impacted culture. >> Hell yeah. >> Where the would we be if. >> the UFC's here because of the Gracies as. well. I mean, obviously the Fertitas and. Dana, but. started the whole thing. He wanted to. have a crocodile mode AROUND IT. [laughter]. IT'S. >> AMAZING. I remember hearing about it [laughter]. in 1992 with Horian and Hoist, the. seminar I went to, and they were talking.

about that. They were talking about the. different ideas what they were going to. do. And I I even though I didn't think. they were full of I thought it was. never going to happen. I'm like, what is. this? Blood Sport [laughter] on TV. They're going to be fighting. It sounded. ridiculous. But now everybody's so used. to it, it sounds ridiculous that it. sounds ridiculous. Like when I when I. first found out about it, I didn't watch. it until it was UFC 2 cuz I will only. watch it on videotape. Like somebody. from the gym told me about it and I went. and watched it. I got the video tape.

like Hollywood video, brought it home. and I was like, oh my god, they did it. >> They did. That's what I thought. So you. like, oh, they off No, they did the. thing that we always wanted. >> So when I was when I first started style. >> Yeah. I first started taking karate and. I thought karate was good until I. stumbled into this really good taekwondo. school and I was like oh taekwondo is. and then I started boxing I'm like. oh my god I can't box and then I started. kickboxing I'm like oh my god you kick. my legs I didn't know you can kick my. legs like this is terrible and then I. started doing jiu-jitsu like oh my god. I'm helpless so it's like all these.

steps along the way I was like it would. have been nice if we knew what style was. real and this is what Bruce Lee tried. and. >> bro when I was starting out in like 88. doing taekwondo nobody knew nothing. nobody knew what worked everybody just. like saw that guy beats people in that. thing and that guy beat I wonder what. would happen if they fought. No one. knew. They thought I saw wrestling was. worthless. Grappling arts were. worthless. >> Yeah. >> Well, luckily I I learned it was not. worthless in high school when I got my. ass kicked. [laughter]. >> Me too, man. Pract on a wooden.

dummy to ch. my ass. [laughter]. >> But that's all I know. And uh every time. I do a real scrap, I'd go back to my. season of eighth grade wrestling. >> That's the case. But I also think that. Wing Chong would work if you knew all. the other like Anderson Silva can use. Wing Chong, >> right? >> You know what I'm saying? A lot of hand. trapping. >> Yeah. There's hand trapping and elbows. from him. T there's stuff that does work. if you know all the other It's an. added element, right? >> It's like there's mo there's moves that.

you could do that you're just your. opponent's not going to your opponent is. used to this, right? They're used to. punches like regular punches. every now. and then weird can work because. they don't see it coming and then it. opens up other big shots and Wing Chong. can those guys when you watch the really. good ones like whack at each other's. arms and you're like okay there's. like a little value in this there's a. little value in getting good at this as. long as you know how to actually punch. >> yeah I don't dismiss nothing because. anything can work in the right context. >> it's just not gonna work on Terren.

Crawford. not a boxing match against Terence. Crawford is. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT is [laughter]. working against him anyway. >> Not much. >> No one has figured that out. No one has. figured that out yet. Not much. >> Listen, you could have fun with it, but. as far as value, >> I'd say very little value. >> Very little because it's only valuable. if you're going to be doing the other. stuff. >> Yeah. If you're going to do that, you. might as well be doing Muay Thai, western boxing, or jiu-jitsu. >> No. No. I for sure by itself useless.

But what I think is if you already are. doing other stuff and you could train. with a guy who can show you some of it, >> I think you would be like, "Oh, I see. value in this." Like, >> do you remember when uh Dan Henderson. was fighting Hector Lumbard and he hit. him with like a back elbow standing? >> It was like or back forearm. It was an. elbow or I think it was an elbow. >> Yeah, I think he like threw a punch and. >> came back sometimes. You ever see. people do standing back fist sometimes. and they work? >> There's some that we're missing. Yeah. >> And like I think Wing Chong is a part of.

it. >> Yeah, I agree with that. Like especially. like when you're in close like in. clinching positions, you're just like. trapping hands. Bam. Bam. >> You know what I think is the number one. thing that people need should be doing? The number one thing that people should. be doing is point fighting karate. >> It's like you want to add something. I. mean, not obviously not number one over. wrestling and all that, but number one. thing to add, don't add Wing Chong. Add. [laughter] point fighting karate. But. it's so but it's such a physical thing. that a lot of people probably can't do.

Especially if you come from a wrestling. background who where you're so used to. being like heavy and square to be able. to turn sideways jump in and out like. that. >> But if you can do it that advantage is. so hu when you watch like MVP when he's. in his prime. >> That's so funny. I when he hit the sh. bullet the uh. >> Yeah. But the thing about Yeah. back. elbow. Crazy. Damn. >> What a beautiful elbow from a wrestling. position. >> Yeah. >> Let me see that again. >> How did he land it? So, yeah, he had his.

leg. Look at that. He's holding his leg. >> And he catches it. Look at the. elbow. Oh, right. [laughter]. >> Fantastic. What a el. That's one. of the greatest elbows of all time. >> Underappreciated elbow right there. >> to c get a knockout elbow while you're. hopping on one leg. >> Yeah, that's crazy. fighting off the. takedown. >> Yeah, >> that was nasty. >> Nasty. >> Wasn't chunk. >> But what I was [laughter] getting to is. these guys like MVP. That advantage is. so huge. The advantage of being Wonder.

Boy in his prime, >> bro. That advantage is so nuts. >> Well, I So I I watch videos of people. doing it online. I'm like, if you could. do that in an MMA fight, no one will. catch you, right? >> It's you'll be in and out before they. catch you. >> Closest to it. >> Serial gone. >> It's true. serial gun is not a point. fighting karate guy. He's a Muay Thai, but he's a basketball player. And we. were talking about this the other day, like what better sport to develop. plyometrics and the ability to change. direction than basketball. You're. constantly changing direction and. they're big men.

>> Then why can't basketball players fight? >> They're the worst fighters on the planet. cuz they don't train. >> That's true. >> Just cuz they don't train. But serial. gone, you look at the way he moves. Like. he moves like a basketball player can. move, but he's 250 lbs and he's a. heavyweight and he can strike. >> Yeah. I remember I used to train Walt. Harris who was a pretty good basketball. player and I used to always try to tell. him, "Man, it's the same thing. Your. pivots are the same. You got to be able. to move, change directions. It's the. same thing." But as a heavyweight, it. also comes with being lazy. Yes. >> Those guys are just lazy.

>> Well, it's harder to do. >> Hey, you, Dean. [laughter]. >> It's harder to move all that weight, right? It's like It's hard to get a 248. pound guy to move like Sir Gone. There's. not a whole lot of them. We were just. talking about it the other day. I think. it's an underappreciated thing because. we're used to lighterweight fighters. moving like that, but like name I'm like. name one. Name one guy at heavyweight. who moves like that. You know who used. to you know who used to was the dark. horse of the heavyweight division? Travis Brown. When Travis Brown. was in his prime, he was a bad.

dude. And he moved light. He was a big tall dude and he moved. light. Arlosski used to. >> he just had some he had some you know. wars and they take their toll on you. But if you go back to like Travis Brown. in his heyday when he was knocking. people out with those elbows from the. clinch and the way he would move like he. would move like super light on his feet. like bouncing around and I think it was. cuz he played basketball. >> It's got to be it. >> 100%. It makes sense.

>> cuz I know Travis played basketball. >> Yeah. You know, he's when you get a big. athlete that's light on their feet, that's a giant advantage. >> Yeah, it is. >> Because you only needs one entrance that. you didn't anticipate when you get. popped and now you're compromised. >> And getting that first step and being. able to get a clean shot, >> dude. Those karate point guy, I've only. fought a couple of karate point fights. when I was a kid. When I was doing. taekwondo tournaments, we' enter into. them and I I fought this one guy that. was like, his name was Mafia Holloway. He was like a champion. I couldn't even.

touch him. I couldn't even get close to. [laughter] him. His first name was. Mafia. >> Mafia Holloway. He was a very famous I. don't know if it was his real name, but. that's what his name was back in the. day. He was like a well-known black belt. point fighting champion. I couldn't even. touch him. >> I was like, Jesus, we're playing totally. different games. I'm playing a. continuous fighting game which where you. you're you know, you fight in Taekwondo. for a certain amount of minutes and he's. playing this thing where you stop every. time they hit you and so you can't hit. him and he keeps hitting you and it's. just stop stop. It's [laughter] like so. frustrating. But I remember leaving.

going, "Oo, I need to learn that." Like, that's crazy. I didn't know you could. move that quick and just jump out of. there the way he's doing it. I'm like, and you think about like these guys that. fight him, like Kevin Holland that fight. MVP. Yeah. After a while, they're like, "What the is this?". >> Yeah, for real. He was in his corner. saying that. Like, I how do I I can't. >> He's quicker than I thought. >> What am I doing here? This is nuts. You. You just can't do anything to him. And. he's styling on you. [snorts]. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's why when I trained. Tyron to fight uh Steven Thompson,

Wonderboy, we did. So I was I knew the. mistake that everybody was making. They. were using just regular tall kickboxers. >> I went to karate schools. >> and we got just karate kids that did. that for him to spar with. >> And I was like I was like I was like I. was like don't worry about takedowns. We. don't even need to get there. >> Just be able to deal with this movement. and his length and being able to deal. with that because it's different. >> What is this? Mafia Hollow. >> Oh. >> Yeah, >> he's got a crazy kick here, right? >> Dude was very good. There is. He was.

very good. He didn't get me with that. [laughter]. >> He got me with a couple of side kicks to. the body though. I tell you that. I was. very impressed. I was impressed by the. speed in which he was able to like move. forward and back cuz the that darting in. and just tagging each other speed is a. totally different speed than like. continuous fighting speed. Because. continuous fighting speed, you would. assume that if the guy's hitting you. that you're going to counter and you're. going to exchange. And what these guys. are used to is you never exchange. They.

just pop you. They pop you and they get. the out of there. >> And that's that's a asset in MMA. >> Giant asset. >> You can just knock somebody out. That's. >> giant asset. It's a giant asset. Also, if like if you try to play their game, you should just try to play their game. just to realize how hard it is and. you're like, "Oh, this is a crazy. This. is a different thing. This is all about. the blitz. It's all about the entry.". They switch stances at will too. >> At will. Yeah, at will. You know, but I. think all the good guys do now. I think. that's going to be a prerequis There's. too many calf kickers out there. >> You got to be able to switch. >> True.

>> Do you guys watch one? You watch uh. kickboxing in one. Did you see uh. Jonathan Hagerty and Yukiza? >> Uh it wasn't good for Hagerty, was it? >> No, he won. He figured him out. Hagerty. was. >> He's the guy that beat that dude that. was wrecking everybody with He's a. double guy. He's Well, he's just a. full-on Muay Thai guy, but he beat him. by continuous movement and switching. stances. >> Oh, right. I think I did. I did. see that. Really technical fight. Like, if you.

really like striking, it's a really. technical fight. He did an amazing job. of just constantly giving him different. looks and switching stances and moving. and then catching him in exchanges. And. dude, it was beautiful because. Yoza crushes everybody's legs. It was. really sweet. >> He just kept switching stances. >> Just kept switching stances. And he did. a lot of great boxing from the outside, too. It was just But he never gave him. the same look over. See that? Like, >> look at that. >> And then knees to the body. A lot of.

knees to the body. It was beautiful. Brilliant fight. >> I was just uh chatting with him on. Instagram. I'm going to try to get him. on. >> Nice. >> Bring him to America. Like, it's This is. what Zufa should be promoting, you know? I mean, I know they love boxing. That's. awesome. I'm glad they're doing that. But you know, this is it. >> Yeah. >> If you want another thing that's really. exciting, it's striking. Just have only. Muay Thai. Just have. >> I'm just surprised they haven't done. that. >> Yeah. It doesn't make any sense cuz. that's what everybody likes to watch. >> Everybody likes Dana said to me, I don't.

know if he changed his opinion, but he. said to me that people don't like. kickboxing cuz they think of like PKA. karate from ESPN from like the 1980s. I'm like, that's old people. [laughter]. >> I don't even know what that is. people. Young people love martial arts. Like, young people love knockouts. Young. people boo when fights go to the ground. They do. >> MMA is the best. No doubt about it. It's. the greatest sport of all time. It's the. champion of sports. However, if you're. going to have some value in another.

combat sport, it's Muay Thai. It's the. most exciting You can do the most. options. You can knee. They can throw. each other. They do all kinds of wild. kicking. You think uh Rico Verhovven's. boxing success will bring some eyes to. kickboxing at all? >> I hope so. I'm having him on too. >> I hope so. I hope so. >> Great. He really phenomenal. I mean, dude, for 10 rounds, he really. >> he was into the point where if you if. you're good judges, if the judges are. real, he Usyk needs a knockout twin.

>> Yeah. Thousand%. Which is he was up I. thought he was up by eight like eight to. one or two at the time. >> I thought the same. A lot of people. thought the same. I mean, he was he was. bullying him around. He was moving. >> use his weight. Well, did he on. himself? And it was phenomenal because. he put my my style against Usyk and it. was Jim Carrey and that what's. the one where, you know, he come. [laughter] boxing at the guys and it. often looked like it too. It was. phenomenal. But man, he really did.

amazing. I I personally think if they. rematch that now Usyk will like kind of. figured him out, so maybe it'll happen. he'll get him faster. Look, I hope not. cuz I was rooting for Rico. He. reallyatch Rico was going to know that. he can do that. Like before that fight, he didn't know he could do that. And. Usyk didn't know he could do that. And. the difference is Usyk is not a real. heavyweight. He's the greatest. heavyweight of all time, which is crazy, but he's not a real heavyweight. He's. you can't say the like Tyson, in my. opinion, is always going to be my. favorite in his prime. He was just so.

insane. It was so insane to watch him. just demolish the whole division. for. real. >> But then you look at Cashes Clay and. then when he was Muhammad Ali and Larry. Holmes doesn't get his due and Lennox. Lewis was a beast. So maybe, you. know, who knows who would have fought, but. >> that guy stylistically is like the. greatest heavyweight ever. Like watching. him move the the way. >> like skill for skill when you look for. skill. >> You're watching an artist. >> Yeah. >> It's like the way the way he put it on. Dublon. >> Oh my god. >> He's incred. He's still a really a 220.

lb guy. Yeah. >> You know, like he puts on some extra. weight. He gets a little he was a little. thicker for that fight, >> but you know, >> Rico's huge. >> He's a giant. >> Rico's a giant He's a giant guy from the. Netherlands. >> That's a Is that where he's from? That's. a real heavy Dutch. Another Dutch. kickboxer. They're all giants. >> They're all tough as what he like 65. 270. 260. >> He's got crazy cardio, too, for a big. giant guy. was bouncing on. I mean, he.

was for 10 rounds, he kept that pace as. a heavyweight, keeping that pace. And. then once he slowed, you know, that's. when Usyk was able to find him. >> Did you watch it, Matt? >> I can't watch I I have a hard time. watching anything but mixed. martial arts. I [laughter] I love. jiu-jitsu. >> I love jiu-jitsu. I Yeah. Well, you. know, Star Wars. [laughter]. >> I saw the new He-Man movie, by the way. >> How was it? >> It was good. >> Really? >> The Masters of the Universe was good. I. was worried cuz I'm thinking all the new.

reboots and this and that. I go, is it. going to be too woke? Is it going to be. this? It was fun. It had a uh. Thor Ragnarok type feel where it's just. kind of fun and a little goofy, but not. to the point where it's just takes you. out of it. You know what it is? I grew. up with that He-Man. That was my that. was my I was a kid around our age, right? So, it did justice to that. like, you know, it made it made it fun. It was. >> Skeletor was awesome.

>> Yeah. Wasn't that Jared Letto play? >> I heard there was like some sort of. crazy like he was wasn't allowed to do. interviews. He wasn't allowed to talk to. the rest of the cast. >> Why? >> Because they're worried he's going to do. nutty Like he when in the Joker he. was like sending people dead rats in the. mail and stuff. Oh, really? Yeah. Doing. like [laughter] cuz he was he was in. character, you know? that's wild. >> So they were like, "Yeah, you're going. to be an evil Skeletor guy. No, no. We can't let you be in character. [laughter]. >> We can't contact the rest of the crew. I. don't know if that's true. That's what I. heard, but it was fun. See if that's.

true. >> No, I heard that, too. I heard um Will. Smith said something about that. >> Yeah, I thought somebody said I thought. somebody said I know he definitely did. that with the Joker. >> Like a rat or something. He was the. Joker. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Said, "I know you're playing the Joker, but come on with the rat.". >> Yeah. Yeah. You would chill out. But uh. all that. >> there's some dudes that played the Joker. and you're like, "All right, it's over.". >> Hey, I heard. >> like when Heath Ledger played the Joker, like everybody stopped. >> Yeah, >> that's the Joker. >> Yeah. Yeah. He can't come back after. that. >> until we Phoenix. >> Yeah. He Well, he's a great. >> I saw that. I was like, "Okay, now. that's the Joker.". >> Yeah. Yeah. And then you saw then you.

saw the sequel and you said, "Fuck that. Bring back [laughter]. >> I didn't see the sequel." Tim Tim Dylan. told me it was the worst movie that's. ever been made. >> Everybody said that it like I I didn't. see it either. I didn't make it. >> I didn't watch it. >> If I was guessing, he probably didn't. want to do it. >> I don't know what they were thinking. with that. I bet it was like a dispute between like. the movie company and the dude. >> I don't know who directed it. Why would. you do that so much? >> Unless you're trying to mock it or. you're trying to diffuse it. Maybe the.

government was like, "Hey, after you. released that movie, we had the BLM. riots and everybody was lighting LA on. fire. Hey, maybe don't have a movie. where you're encouraging people to like. light cities on fire. Maybe make a. musical.". >> [laughter]. >> So crazy. >> They try to diffuse the Joker movement. with a musical. >> It's funny how the first if I never seen. a I mean sequels aren't normally as good. as the original, but holy I never. seen something so bad I didn't make it. through it. I saw some of it and then.

I'm like once I started singing I'm like. I'm out of this mother. >> It's very rare where where a sequel. you're like damn that's just as good. >> Well, Terminator 2, Empire Strikes Back, >> those are a couple. >> Those are a couple. Rocky too. >> You didn't like Rocky too. obviously. >> Why did he take it to the zoo in the. beginning? [laughter]. >> Why? I never can get over that. >> I like the zoo. >> The other [laughter]. the whole. >> go stare at the giraffe. >> The whole the whole joke was that be. that mean bodyguard saying take it to.

the zoo. The retards like the zoo. And. then [laughter] he takes her to the. zoo to propose to her. Is that. not crazy? >> Yeah, that is. >> But that's how people were in the 70s. They were animals. But he he's basically just [laughter]. saying that, right? You're right. >> Before the internet, >> man. Doing movie reviews on your. channel. >> Oh, you trying to plug my channel? >> No. Well, I'm saying [laughter] GIVE ME. SOMETHING ABOUT IT. >> YEAH. NO, I JUST WANT TO TALK A GOOD. MOVIE on because like. when Hey,

>> you know WHAT I'M WATCHING ON THERE? I. do I do series reactions. It or movies. reactions. Are you watching the new. House of Dragon? >> No, I'm not yet. There's too many things. to watch. Let me tell you something. >> I'm I'm in the middle of From. >> I I that's I want to talk to you about. that, too. >> My wife My wife's mad at from. >> You know what? >> Don't tell me why. [laughter]. >> It might be ahead of me. [clears throat]. >> I'm on season 4, episode five, I think. I think is it five? >> Oh, there's only four. >> Four. >> And then the fifth one is the final. season. It doesn't come out until 2027, so don't tell me. Shoot. All right. All.

right. >> Hey, House of Dragon. Now, look, I love. Game of Thrones. The Night of the Seven. Kingdoms was phenomenal. And House of. Dragons out of all of them is the one I. like the least because it's a lot of. just gloom and doom. It's a you all the. characters are pricks. They're all a. bunch of wacky talking. >> Yeah, there's no one to like. >> Exactly. >> No one's noble. >> But this one, this third season is. I watch Yeah, I do the reactions. on my channel. Thanks, Dean. >> What is the channel? [laughter]. >> The Matt Sarah channel on YouTube. >> Look at this. He's. >> He's contemplating.

>> Oh, that's me. [laughter]. >> It's like he's contemplating House of. the Dragons. No, no. You know what this. is? Do you ever see Mystery Science. Theater? That That [laughter] was like. mystery on your head. >> Yeah. Well, they showed the back of. their heads. >> You're the former UFC welterweight. [laughter]. champion of the world and you're sitting. there with the headphones on. >> That's great. >> This is what I think about House of. Dragons. [laughter]. >> He didn't have to. He didn't have to do. that. >> That's 200 mg of edibles right there. [laughter].

55 millig. >> Well, you know what scene? You know what. scene I really love? when they were. trying to find Targaryenss cuz the. Targaryenss had a bunch of bastard. children. We're trying to see who's a. Targaryen. So, they put people out with. the dragons. I was I was burning them. up. >> The prior seasons had some good scenes. like that. >> But this season, I just watched three of. them so far. Each one of them is It's. all It's nothing but fighting now. It's. nothing about but going at it. >> Let's go. >> And it's good. Yeah. Yeah. It's. good. >> I'm in. I watched I watched the whole.

season of the whole uh all the episodes. of Game of Thrones recently. that you. went back and started. >> went back. Yeah, we watched it for like. four or five months. Watched every one. of them. And when you watch it like. every couple nights a week, like two, three nights a week when you watching. it, it's like you you just like you. follow. You don't have to wait like. years in between seasons. It's. incredible. It's the greatest epic. adventure show in the history of the. world. >> I tell people that all the time. I'm. like, you got to watch it. Good, dude. I. forgot how good it was. And even though.

it's 10 years old, special effects are. perfect. Yeah, for sure. >> Here's I'm going to say something I. never said in my life. >> There's a new book I'm reading. >> What? [laughter]. >> HEY GUYS, HOLD ON. WAIT A MINUTE. >> WAIT A MINUTE. HEY GUYS. >> Is it a graphic novel? [laughter]. >> Son of a. >> No, it's not. It is. Um and and all. right, I got to be honest. I'm listening. to the audio book. >> Okay. [laughter]. >> I hate when people say they're reading a. book when they really listen to the. audio book. >> Bro, Don Rollins gave me so much. about that because it's not true. He's. like, "H, HOW HOW YOU READING WHEN YOU.

JUST LISTENED?" [laughter]. >> I'm just trying to abbreviate it. Yes, I. listened to an audio book. Sorry. I. didn't sit down and read it. >> Rising. Red. Rising. Have you ever heard. of this? >> No. >> Well, you're going to document this. episode because sooner or later. someone's going to pick it up and it's. going to become either an Amazon series. or a movie. My one of my black belts, Jedi Joey Beans, told me about this. ages. >> What a great name. [laughter]. >> Jedi Joey Beans. >> Joey Beans. >> Oh, Joey Beans. Savage. But Jedi Jedi. Joy Beans is a great name.

>> Oh, he's great. But uh he likes all the. I'm into. So he told me about this. >> I'm going to write it down. What is it. called again? >> Red Rising. >> All right, that's it. And uh I'll tell. you, I don't know how many books there. are, but I'm listening to the first one. and I'm like more than halfway through. and it's. >> What's it about? >> Uh. set in future on Mars. >> Whoa. Red Rising is a 2014 dis dystopian. dystopian [laughter].

>> science fiction novel. >> You guys are a bunch of bullies. First of all, [laughter]. >> you guys are a bunch of This is. why I got. my short. >> telling us he's reading. >> My short friend [laughter] the first. book telling us he's reading and. dystopian comes out. >> Somebody else read [laughter] it. >> Bunch of pricks. But hey, listen to me. This is This is a great book. This. [laughter] is a great book. Uh. >> and I like getting into something new.

>> Well, how long is the book? >> No, that's regular coffee. There's a. cop. If you want coffee, coffee. >> You know what that would be? >> Unless you want a little baby. >> I was trying to figure out what you're. going to do with that. >> I didn't know what I was doing. >> I'm a caffeine. >> I'm down for that. I'm down for that. >> Yeah, the Red Rising, man. That was. really good. Pass me that pass that. coffee, man. >> It's like uh Game of Thrones in space, you know? >> I'm in. I'm in. Oh, you know what? started watching because of you guys. that uh Battlestar Galactica. great. >> I'm like I'm I'm I'm only on the first. season. There's like 20 episodes a.

season. I'm like I'm I'm like 10 in. right now. >> Yeah, that was a Sci-Fi Channel, bro. That show was so underrated. So. underrated. Like to this day, if you go. back and watch Battlestar Galactica, the. entire series, it's incredible. >> Very good. >> The new one, not the old one. The original [laughter] high or demand. >> That's right. Here's one I'm going to. recommend. And you can watch it with. your wife or by yourself, whatever you. want to do. >> Porn. >> What's [laughter] that? >> Say porn. >> Well, by yourself. >> Um, Widow's Bay.

>> WIDOW'S BAY. >> WHAT IS THAT? >> Apple TV comes out with some. bangers. >> Bangers. >> Sil silo is another great one. But, uh, Widow's Bay, it's this very rare. It's. about an island that's kind of cursed. and a May is trying to get it to become. like the next uh, Martha's. Vineyard, whatever that is. And he and. you know this is it. >> Oh, that guy that guy was in The Beast. Within. This is great, bro. That guy's. in another great series that. also might be Apple.

>> It's It might be. >> It's very rare that something I don't. like like my family's a bunch of ghouls. except for my oldest. They like all the. horror I'm not into it, but this. it's very rare. I like spooky So, it's like spooky, but it's. funny. The charact it's It's got like a. quirky type humor to it. And I I was. dying. I was nice. The Beast in. Me is another one. It was uh what was it. on? >> Netflix. It's on Netflix. It's still on. Netflix. Um it's a series and it's about. an author and this psychotic guy.

that is a rich guy who lives in her. neighborhood. I don't want to tell you. any more than that. The. >> movie. I saw that. >> Claire Danes and that guy Matthew. You. watched that show? >> I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it. >> Dude, it's good. It is Claire. Danes can act her ass off. This summer, soccer is here and the watch parties. will be going back to back to back. But. don't worry, Uber Eats has your game day. essentials covered. All the snacks and. groceries to keep your crowd happy.

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She's fantastic on that. It got 98% on. Rotten Tomatoes. That's how good it is. It's a great show. >> The Beast in Me. >> Yeah. There's too much to watch. >> There's so much I just started The Pit, so I'm like and I'm and I'm late on. that. though. >> What's the pit. >> about the um the ER room in Pittsburgh? >> Um. >> yeah, he plays a doctor in the ER room. It's really good though. >> Okay, >> there's something I'm into for a while, then I just fall off. >> I never heard of it. There's too many. shows. >> Yeah, I did that with Land Man. After a. while, I'm just like.

>> new season of Land Man's good. >> I don't give a about the. wife and the daughters annoying me. Like. >> my favorite she [laughter] plays to. strip her wife. Well, >> after a while, it's just like all right. I go, they get to some interesting. with like the cartels after them and. then they're, oh, let's take the old. seniors out to the strip joint. It's. like, [laughter]. here we go. Oh, the wife's being. outrageous again, right? >> It's like I mean, it's true. >> I mean, I don't got my ADD. I can't take.

it. >> That's funny. >> Now, that was my problem with it, too. I. thought that the the women were like. caricatures of women. >> Yeah. Come on, man. >> And who's who's cheering their daughter. on. >> basically [laughter] to be a hoe? I want. to know. I was kind of like this too. much. I have a question though if you. guys all seen it. Why does the why do. they live together? Like the uh the the. other lawyer and why do they all live. with Billy Bob Thornton and his family? >> That's a plot point. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> Yeah. There's no other reason why. >> Yeah. Because there's only one house on. the ranch or something. I don't know.

Cuz I'm just like they all have to live. in the one house. It's his office and. his home basically. It makes it fun. But isn't he making a. lot of money? Like [laughter] what are. we doing? Shouldn't all of them be. making a lot of money? >> Yeah, you would think his lawyer be. making big bank, you know. >> Well, now he's got to be making money. because, you know, he's running the. company. Spoiler alert. >> Right. Right. >> So, he's making more money. >> Yeah. She's making sure they're eating. their vegetables and. gets mad about any anything. I love. Billy Bob though. Billy Bob in that show. is so good.

>> He makes. He is the Taylor said that he wouldn't. even made the show if it wasn't for. Billy. Really? >> He went to Billy with the idea. He goes, "I'm not going to make this if you're. not going to be in it.". >> He made the show. I thought Andy Garcia. was good in it, too. >> Oh, Andy Garcia great. >> He's great in everything. >> Yeah. >> You ever see Things to Do in Denver when. you're dead? >> Longo loves that lemon, >> dude. That's [laughter] a great. movie. I like. >> I hate that movie. I never. loves that movie. >> I'm with you. I'm [laughter] with you, Ray. I'm with you. >> LEMON. >> MICHAEL LOVES IT.

>> I I listen, in all fairness, in all. honesty, I haven't seen it in decades, but when I saw it, I loved it. Yeah, >> but the problem is sometimes you go back. and you try to watch one of them movies. like. wrong with me. This movie sucks. [laughter] A fat one. >> There's a bunch of movies like that. You. try to watch them. They're terrible. >> Yeah. >> Sometimes it's just better better off. remembering how good they used to be. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the impact you. were just a more naive person before the. internet. And. >> true. I watched one of the worst movies. that was so good that it was.

bad. It was uh rowdy. Right. Rowdy. Rowdy Ry rowdy. >> rowdy rotty piper. >> Rowdy how. >> rowdy rody piper. >> Yes. >> He was. >> 100 milligrams. [laughter]. >> We saw him last night too. Joey. >> Joey. [clears throat] That's right. >> Hell comes to Frogs Town. >> Let's see that. Now, it's a it's a it's. a combination of say like Mad Max, like. a post-apocalyptic thing, and Escape. from New York, where in the future,

Rowdy, Rody is the only guy who's not. sterile. Everybody else is. sterile. So, >> same everybody's chasing him for it. So. they have to like it starts off when. he's in like a general's he's in. like a a room cuz he got caught with the. general's daughter and they put. a they put a um a jock strap on him with. explosives. and [laughter] he has to. >> he has to do a frog.

>> Yeah. Oh yeah. [laughter] Yo, so he has. his mission is to go to this frog's town. and there's a herum there and he's got. to impregnate everybody. >> or else they're going to blow. him up. >> Sounds like a horrible [laughter] job. >> This is crazy. This movie, >> what a [laughter] movie. >> Oh yeah. No. >> Oh my god. >> You can't unsee it. So he cut out Frog. Town. This is amazing. >> He cut out halfway through [laughter]. things to do in Denver when you're dead. >> But he's in for Frog Town. Yeah, but I.

agree [laughter] with this. You know. what you're getting into. It's not a. bunch of people pretending to be cool, >> you know? It's like this is just silly. >> So, how did you even find this and then. sit down and watch the whole thing? This. is the thing. Well, you know, it's it's. well documented about my ass problems. So, sometimes [laughter]. I spend a lot of time on the throne. [snorts] and I got my iPad, so I go to. Prime Video and it's almost like when I. was little, like I used to go through. the channels and I'm like up all night. I'd find something wacky. So I I I look.

for weird or different movies and that's. one of them and I just it just brought. me right in. I watched that whole I in. two shits. I watched that whole. movie. [laughter]. >> What was the one when he was an alien? >> Crazy amount of time to. >> What's it called? They or whatever. >> I'm on I'm on the a long time. >> Yeah. >> It's crazy to for two hours. You're. saying. >> a little. Well, not for two hours, but. >> yeah. The budget for this movie was. double what that movie Obsession was. that just came out. That's almost. >> My wife said that movie was great.

>> So the budget was 1.5 million back then. >> Yeah. In 1988. >> Wow. So was this a small release? >> Yeah, it has to be. >> Who made this movie? What was the. company that made New World? That's a. big company. Maybe they sold it to New. World. I don't know how that works. >> Was this before or after They Live? >> Well, they Live was good. >> They live. >> That's what I'm saying. Maybe they got. to say they bankrolled it. But I bet if. you tried to W [laughter] return to Frog. Town was released on 93 direct to VHS.

bro before even DVD like no. [laughter] this straight put it on tape. straight to tape. >> Now listen everybody don't go watching. this and cursing me. I mean we got to. know what you're getting into. It's. >> exactly what it looks like. >> TV guy only gave it two out of five. stars. How dare they? >> DVD talk said three. >> But but but [laughter] I'll tell you. he's he's he's hysterical in it though. He's. >> It only got released in for some reason. >> I bet if we watched They Live right now, we wouldn't like it. I bet we'd be like, "Oh, this.

>> still pretty funny if you watch.". >> Is it good? >> What was the last time you saw it? >> I mean, it's one of them movies when. you're flipping around if it's on cuz. him and the Who's the What's the. >> his guy's name? Remember, they had. basically a wrestling match in the. alley. They were. >> the black guy. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> There's There's movies from like the 80s. and the 90s. >> There it is. There's movies from the 80s and the 90s. that become comedies. >> Yeah. >> Like they used to be. >> This is a comedy, right? >> But this is kind of a comedy. This is. like a little tongue and cheek. But then. there's stuff like Roadhouse.

>> Right. Roadhouse is a comedy now, >> right? For sure. >> You want Roadhouse is such a bad movie. [laughter]. >> It's so bad. I mean, it's so insanely. bad. The bad guy is bad. The writing is. bad. >> Everything is bad. >> Everything's bad except for Patrick. Seesy's hair. [laughter]. >> That's amazing. >> It was appropriate at the time. 80s [clears throat] everything was we. were dumb people were dumb back then you. know. >> that's what I think [laughter]. >> I think we were dumb. >> Miami Vice you know. >> no internet people were stupid. >> it's true right only we were only.

exposed to what we were exposed to in. your area. >> exly yeah we thought that's solid movie. [laughter]. >> you should go see Roadhouse I'll tell. you what that's good guy you're going to. root for him. >> yeah [laughter]. >> he's complicated but he's tough he's. quiet and he likes poetry people. up and he says pain don't hurt. I was. about to say that [laughter] pain don't. hurt. >> The karate scenes are so bad. Like. everything is so it's so fake. It's so. dumb looking. >> But it's still awesome. >> They brought Sam Elliot in as backup.

Had an 80year-old backup. >> But dude clearly could barely walk like. KOing guys left and right. [laughter]. >> That's it. That's it. Miho. >> He's awesome [clears throat] in. everything though. Sam Elliott's. everything. Every time you see Sam. Elliot in a movie like Yes. >> Hang in there. I think the bad guy, didn't he tell uh Patrick uh what's his. name? That he was going to that he. used to guys like him in prison. >> Yes. >> Yes. [laughter]. >> Is Sam Elliott? That's the one who. played Lamb Man's father, right? >> Yes. >> He's awesome. >> He's always good. Always. Always in.

everything. >> He's real life Marboro man. >> Exactly. Yeah. He's great and. everything. >> Yeah. That movie was so bad. [laughter]. >> But the thing is back then it wasn't. Yeah. Everything in the 80s was bad. >> TV shows were insane. you watch them, you're like, "What were they doing?". Yeah. >> Trying to brainwash America. >> Roger Ebert's review is that this is. right on the edge of a good bad movie. and merely the bad. [laughter]. >> It's not a good movie. >> Well, he's right. It's not a good movie, but viewed in the right frame of mind, it's not a boring one either. Ah, that's.

the thing. Jean Cisco was less. complimentary, calling it outrageous in. terms of its cartoon-like plotting and. dialogue and lamenting sees mindless. posturing. A young star has sold himself. to become a pinup boy. Someone sounds a. little jelly. >> Come on. >> Someone sounds a little jelly. That. sounds a little jelly to me. >> Acting. [laughter]. >> It's called Heade. >> Yeah. He made a movie and thought it was. going to be better than it was. Okay, let's move on. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. [laughter]. >> It's a cult classic. To this day, people.

are still talking about it, >> bro. Basically, every actor that's ever. lived has been in a couple lemons. >> Of course, that's part of the process. >> Except maybe Daniel D. Lewis. He's probably a little bit more. >> maybe that Lincoln one. A lot of people. didn't watch that Lincoln one. >> That might be the only one. >> I didn't like I don't know anybody who. was like raves about the Lincoln movie. >> What about the [clears throat] vampire. hun? The Abraham Lincoln. >> That was crazy. >> Who was in Did anybody see that? I never. seen. >> I never saw that. >> That was Daniel.

[laughter]. >> Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter is crazy. >> That should have been made in the 80s. >> That should have been It should have. been should have been made in the 80s. Yeah, that it's like a comic book. That. sounds like a Marvel comic. >> I haven't seen it. Sounds like something. I would watch. Sounds like something. [laughter]. >> It's funny. >> Was it good? >> The vampire. It was vampire. >> It was to me it was like a comedy thing. >> I might have seen it and forgotten about. it. >> I don't even remember. >> I saw it. I mean, you get high enough. when you watch the movies. They're cool,

but you don't really remember details. all the time. [laughter] So, >> yo, you know what? I'm looking forward. to that uh new werewolf movie. Edgar's guy, the same guy that did. noado, he's doing a werewolf. They just. released a trailer. >> Did they? >> What's it called? >> Werewolf. >> Were Yeah, werewolf. I saw that. >> It's spelled weird, but it's basically a. werewolf. [clears throat]. >> Where's it take place? >> I don't know. Some foreign country. You. can hear them speaking some strange. language. You know, it's like old. Give. me some. >> Oh man. Oh, I want to see that.

>> Yeah, >> that looks pretty wild. >> Robert Edgars is. >> Oh, Christmas night. How was the vampire. fun Christmas? >> How was the vampire one? yeah. It was awesome. >> You think I'd like it? >> Yeah, >> it just I don't know. It's. [clears throat] good, dude. >> It is. >> I think it's the best vampire movie of. all time. >> Better than Interview with a Vampire. >> Yeah. >> Naseratu. >> Yeah, I think Nasarat is the best. vampire movie of all time. That's my. opinion. >> I think it's the best. It's like I've.

seen a bunch of them. Gary Oldman one. was amazing. That was a great that. Dracula one with counter rea. That was a. great one. That's [clears throat] still. great. >> But man, there's something about Edgar's. noserado. It's like it's more terrifying. than all of them. >> You like it's just something. It's more. hypnotic. Like he's got powers over. people. Like it's weird the way he. influences people. It's like it's. creepy. >> Yeah. Like the way that looks shot like. I can I see what you're saying. Like. these show me a scene where they're when.

he's making him sign the contract. There's this scene where the dude has to. go to his house and he doesn't know, spoiler alert, like what contract he's. signing because he's signing it in in a. language that he doesn't know to sell a. house to this prince that lives in. Romania and he goes to visit this guy. It's the creepiest scene ever. And this is the first scene where you. like see him and you you you slowly gets. revealed like what he is. >> Yeah. >> The best vampire movie of all time. >> It's the best. >> All right. >> You'll love it. >> I'm going to watch it.

>> It's so well done. Watch it. >> How careless of me, my lord. >> The language of my forefather. son. >> Of course. >> Maidens token. I see your bride.

Just so it Yes, >> he wants to look at the bride. >> Well, he wants this guy's wife. This is. this whole contract. This is what this. whole thing is about of him going to. this guy's town and buying a house there. from him. >> Like this really. He just wants this. guy's wife. He's like eternally. connected to her. >> Oh, it's creepy AS DUDE. >> OH [screaming]. OH, I GOT TO WATCH THIS. >> OH, YEAH.

>> It's good. >> I got to watch this. >> Best vampire movie. >> Is it? >> I got to watch this. >> ever. >> Yeah. >> Some people disagree. That's fine. [clears throat] My opinion. >> You ever seen Lost Boys? [laughter]. >> That was good. >> That was fun though. >> I bet if you watched it today, you'd be. like, "What?". >> Yeah. You'd be like, "Yo, this is corny. as shit.". >> John Roll with long hair. I STILL. BELIEVE THE [laughter] HAT WITH. THE SAXOPHONE. I WAS IS THAT YOU with. the. wig? There's a Broadway show for. it now.

>> Lost Boys, the Broadway show. >> Oh my god. >> And dude, first of all, Boo Broadway. I. saw Spider-Man. [laughter]. I saw Spider-Man. I saw Rocky. Two. Things I Love. >> It's like going to see a Spider-Man. movie with the worst special effects. ever. All a sudden, there's a guy. swinging and EVERYBODY'S LIKE, "OH.". [screaming] I GO, "DUDE, WHAT the. really? [laughter]. Show me the one with Macy Barber in it.". uh not Macy Barber. Marcy. Barber. >> Who was the. >> Macy Barber? Is a fighter. >> Who was the black girl that used to sing.

>> Macy Gray? Macy Gray. >> 100 milligrams. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> Y'all. does a Rocky play. >> It was horrendous. >> Does Do they box? Do they pull a ring. out and everything? >> Yeah. It's awful. >> It's It's like. >> Does the guy try to imitate the movie is. but just what you're picturing on. 12 or something. >> No, I've never seen anything I liked on. that This This is it. >> Oh, boo.

>> Oh, theater people, you're so silly, [laughter]. >> dude. I I can't stand that. >> And the guy sucks. He can't box. >> The beloved Oscar-winning story. >> Dude, I just I mean, I assume Stallone. did this. >> I don't know. I mean, got to own it. >> It's like he's so It's a cover story. [laughter]. >> I'm not into plays. I saw Dog Day. Afternoon with John Bernthal. >> on on Broadway. >> Oh, really? Yeah. How was that? It. wasn't bad, though. Like, he was he was.

he was really good in it. He's really. good in it. >> You probably like that though. >> Did you Did you ever get into The. Punisher? >> Yeah. Oh, did you see the uh One Last. Kill? >> Yeah, I watched it. >> That was good. It's a oneoff. >> It's Yeah, it's like an hour long. People think it's a movie. It's not a. It's not a movie. >> It's like It's like a special movie. It's like That was good. >> Yeah, I liked it. >> That was really good. Season him and the. Daredevil was good. Uh he was good. First season was okay. Second season. wasn't good. But that special was good.

If you have to watch one thing, it's. like 45 minutes to an hour. >> Yep. >> Uh I did a watch along on the Matt Sarah. channel. >> But uh I did but that guy's awesome at. everything. >> John Bernto. >> Yeah. Walking Dead. He was amazing. >> He was played such a good creepy friend. >> Yeah. you liked it when he came back to. life. You. >> like That was crazy. >> I met him a few times in real life. He's, you know, he he can scrap a little. bit. >> Yeah, he's a very nice guy. Like he was. on the podcast. Enjoy talking to him. Very smart. Interesting dude. Went to.

school in Russia. Learn acting. >> Yeah, that's I mean that's a weird place. to go learn acting. Yeah. And just so. you know on while we're on the topic, uh. The Punish is going to be in Spider-Man: Brand New Day. That's coming out. >> Is that movie? Yeah, the new Spider-Man. movie though those they just keep. swapping out Spider-Man. >> Yeah, but this this Tom Holland. Spider-Man back in it again. He's yet to. do a bad Spider-Man thing. He's good. >> There's no job security in being. Spider-Man. >> No, hell no. >> They got another dude waiting in the. wings. >> Or or there is job security. They just.

brought Toby Magguire back after 20. years. >> Yeah, they did. That's not a bad gig. >> The multiverse thing. But the thing is. about Spider-Man is he's supposed to be. like a college kid. >> Yeah. >> Unfortunately, this guy looks like a. little kid. >> Tom Holland. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Is the origin story is he starts out as. like a college? >> Yeah. He's a high school in high school. >> Yeah. >> And then his uncle Ben gets killed and. he doesn't save he doesn't stop the guy. >> You know what else was fun was the. Spider-Man in the wall. >> Yeah. I was pulling that up. Nicholas.

Jamie, me and you are right here, buddy. >> Yeah, that's Nicholas Cage. That was. that was fun. Yeah, I thought it was. pretty good. >> That looks dope. >> I thought it was good. >> And you can watch it in color or black. and white. They give you the option. Yeah, >> Nicholas Cage is a fascinating dude. Another guy's been around forever. >> He's the good Nicholas Cage in this. [laughter]. >> Some stuff you watch him in, you're. like, "Oh, >> well, I think after after that uh Pascal. movie he did, what's his name was in the. title. It's like I don't know, being. Nicholas Cage.". >> That movie brought him back. It was like.

Pulp Fiction for Travolta, like kicked. him back off again. >> What is that movie? Uh, it was a great. where the P Pedro Pascal is like a a. drug dealer who's a big fan of Nicholas. Cages. [laughter]. >> Oh. And he winds up like hiring him to. come to his house to do something and. then he gets cages hemmed up in the. cartel business. >> The unbearable weight of massive talent. That's what it's called. >> Is that it? Is that the name of the. movie? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There it is. See being Nick. Cage. So that's [laughter] uh. >> great B+. >> That's not bad. Pretty good. It was.

good. >> Check that out. I watched part of it. I. never got through the whole thing. It's. just busy. [snorts]. >> But it looks hilarious. The premise is. hilarious. You know, you're like an. actor and you get these gigs like cuz. people do things like that. They'll like. show up at people's houses and parties. like someone wants to pay you a million. dollars to go to Dubai and you're like, "Okay." So they fly to Dubai, then they. have dinner with people and hang out. with them and meet them and people just. cut him a check. >> Damn. Yeah. Where can I get that? >> I know. It's weird. It's weird. [laughter].

It's uh there's there's you know so like. Nicholas Cage like that probably would. happen where the cartel guy was like. that guy is my favorite like remember. when I mean Sean Penn met El Chapo right. hang hanging with El Chapo and did an. article for Rolling Stone magazine where. he talked about meeting El Chapo in. Mexico? >> No. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Remember Do you remember when Connor was. wearing the El Chapo shirt and he tried. to do the pictures just like El Chapo. did? Those were the pictures that he did. with Shawn Penn. >> No.

>> Yes, that's the shirt. That's what. Connor When Connor's doing that, that's. what he's mocking. He's [laughter]. >> Larry's mind. >> Speaking of Connor, how well does he do. next week? >> Boy, we're going to find out. Um, we're. really going to find out what's going on. if it gets into the second and third. rounds. >> That's when we're really going to find. out. >> We'll know. >> We'll know immediately at that point. >> But, I mean, whether or not he can. really fight for five rounds like. against a guy with can man. >> with a great gas tank after 5 years of.

>> tearing your body up. >> Yeah, it's you don't know, right? Cuz. it's all in a vacuum. Like there's some. training footage of him beating guys up. that you've seen, but who knows what he. actually has been doing? We know he's. been partying, but has he also been like. really training? Cuz if he's been really. training and he shocks everybody because. he's still got his skills. Yeah. I mean, my god, if he if he somehow or another. >> sparks out Max in like the first round, >> do [snorts] do you know how big he. becomes? >> Oh, he's right back. Right back.

>> Right back. Like right back. Him and. Justin Gachi, the biggest fight in the. history of the known universe. They go. for the BMF title at 170. Conor's like, I don't want to cut any weight. That. fight would be crazy. >> My only concern is is his size. Like Max. struggled with bigger dudes like Dustin. the first time then Max came back bigger. which we know cuz when he went back down. he struggled [laughter] you know with. her ski you know I mean he went five. rounds with Justin so like I'm just.

waiting to see. does is Connor able to put that. weight on him and and have a problem? >> Is he a bigger dude though? They both. fought at the same weight class. Yeah, they did start at 45. >> When Max was fighting at 145 when he was. a champion, he was walking around like. 176. He's a big guy. >> He's a bigger guy. Good. I mean, I love. Max. So, I like I It's hard for me, but. Conor's back. >> I follow Max [snorts] on YouTube. He's. got a great channel. So, recording all. of his training and all the stuff he's.

doing. And you know, you see him. He. looks good, dude. He looks big. >> Dustin Porier thinks Max might be. bigger. >> Really? Yeah. I mean, he's taller and he. says he says he's kind of thin, but he's. got a bigger frame. He thinks he's going. to be bigger. >> Like, I mean, he came to my gym a couple. times and he's like my height. >> I think he made a big mistake going back. to 45 after he did 55. I think it's too. hard. I just I think it's just too hard. on the body. And especially when he got. he be a thick 55 when he fought Justin. He looked good, man.

>> He looked solid at that weight. I think. >> him fighting at that weight, he could. actually fight. I think going down to 45. I think I think he was fighting. It. [clears throat] looked to me like he was. in like he was compromised like I think. the weight cut was just too much too. much. >> Do you think the Justin fight and Max is. different if he doesn't get caught with. that kick early in the face? You know. what I'm saying? Like I would like to. see that fight without Justin. compromise, >> right? But I mean that's the beautiful. thing about moves like that game. That.

was the intention, >> right? It could have been a chaos, right? It shattered the bones of his. nose, >> right? Yeah. So that for sure. I mean, but then you know, you think you see the. way Max looked at 145 when he fought. Ilia, but then you got to also factor in. also he's fighting Ilia and Ilia is so. good. Like you look bad. Like. there's a lot of guys who don't look he. lands combinations on people and a lot. of guys look bad. Doesn't mean they're. bad. >> I' I'd like to see Max and Justin again. if if Max pulls it off. >> But then again, like what are you going. to do for Ilia? Like if Ilia wants a.

rematch, >> like could you justify that? >> I don't believe so. >> I think you give him Patty if Patty. wins. >> That's what I think. That's what his. next fight should be. I think I think. Patty wins. >> You think you think Patty beats Ilia? >> No, I think he beats Saint Denise to get. to Ilia. >> I think his he gets hit way too much to. beat Ilia. >> Well, Ilia's sharp. He's so sharp with. his strike. I I rewatched that fight. again. >> Yeah, I I like Patty in this one. Saint. Denise is not an easy.

>> Saint Den is a beast. >> I just think his Patty striking's a. little better and his jiu-jitsu is. better. I think the only place Saint. Denise has the advantages in the. wrestling just my opinion. >> I don't know, man. Sundy uh switched. camps and then made that big adjustment. after he lost to who did he lost to? Mo. Yeah, after Mo. He's looked a lot. >> puts him on his back at all. Like I. don't Does Saint Deny train off his. back? because it didn't look like it in. that Moano match. >> Patty and Ilia would be huge. Hell yeah.

Because they have his That's right. They. got. >> That's the fight. >> Yeah, >> that would be a That's the fight you. make. Do that in London. >> I think that's that's the that's the. right comeback fight for Ilia. And also. do that in England. Joe's like, I'm. going. >> Oh my [laughter] god. No, I don't want. to go get caught in a riot. >> Not for anything. They were. >> Be careful. They lock you up for your. social media when you get over there. >> They would too. They were on uh. Patty when he lost to Justin and uh you. know he got compromised also that first. round. I believe he got poked in the eye.

or whatever else. >> Whatever case he went five with him. >> Yeah, he did five with him and. >> you know and got battered and stood up. to great shots and he's going to come. out of that fight better. He'll know, okay, there's more work to be done. There's holes I have in my game. There's. places where I got caught. And he has. improved over his like when he first got. there I didn't really think much of him. but each time out he's I think he gets a. little better. So. >> yeah dude for sure it's just in. >> Yeah. my favorite fighter rat you know been.

for a minute. >> Yeah no doubt. >> cuz he's just always insane. >> and especially after you see that second. round when I rewatched it again. >> when Ilia was putting it on him in that. second round like those livers. I know. Like, how does he come back from this if. he just. >> more than one, too? >> So beautiful, though, too. Like, the way. he delivers those shots, man. Just. clean. You know who else does it like. that? Aaron Pico. >> Great. Great body work. >> I'm glad that he's got to show his.

stuff. He looked great his last fight. He look great. >> Yeah, Pico is. >> cuz he that was one of those guys. He. was fighting Pitbull who's like, you. know, a real legend. But he the way he. mixed it together, the striking and the. and and the wrestling. >> was really good. >> He just got crazy in his debut and he. just got a little just too hyped up, a. little too aggressive against a guy. who's way too skilled. >> Yeah. You know, >> he's a hunter. >> Yeah. >> I you know, he's a I love that he's so. aggressive. But uh that was a great. comeback fight. You know what I mean? It.

was. >> cuz it shows that that he's still in. there. You know, you get worried when. they when you see people get. >> their lights put out like that. You're. like, are they going to ever be the. same? And then when you see him come. back and have a fight like that being so. intelligent. >> Yeah, >> that's a good sign. >> But he has to make sure his defense is. always good because his chin is still. suspect regardless of how good his skill. is. He still don't had a chin. >> Well, he's been knocked out a bunch of. times, you know? I mean, after a certain. amount of times, it's easier to get. knocked out. And you got to know he's. been knocked out in training. I. >> always believe part of your chin is.

believing you can't be knocked out. And. then when it happens to you that first. time instead of when you get your bell. rung, you bite down on your mouthpiece. Now you're like, "Oh not again.". Like I think mentally it's a it's. different. You know, >> there's something to that probably. But. then there's also like a. >> Well, if you get hit on you get hit on. the button. >> Yeah. It's like certain that. violates your beliefs. >> It doesn't matter. [laughter]. >> Nobody I see red, bro. >> Clango. wheel kicks you.

>> I remember that one. And that was in. Brazil. And Ed. >> Barboso, Terry Adam. >> Yeah, he had a good one, too. >> That's one of those where you go, I. don't think that guy's ever going to be. the same. >> I don't think he was the same after. that. >> No. >> I thought it right then and there. I was. like, I think that was too hard. >> Yeah, >> that was too hard. That's a different. shot. >> And you've seen it where guys, they get. one and then they're still in there and. then you see them get a couple and then. next thing you know, their chin is gone. It's just it's not And. >> listen, Chuck Liddell's mentally strong. You know what I mean? I don't think he's.

being like, I wonder if this is going. to, you know, that's just his body. saying his body's trying to protect him. You know, >> his body saying enough of this. And then. it's also the apparently it's the lining. inside your brain. All that fascia tears. over time and repeated head traumas and. just there's a lot of swashing around. So when you get dinged, your your brain. is literally going without shock. absorbers. >> bouncing off the inside of your skull. That might not be the technical way that. a neuros [laughter]. describe it.

>> Hey man, listen. All those height jokes, I was like a little ARMADILLO [laughter]. AT THE top of my head. I was covering. that little Unless I'm. running into a back fist, I was okay. Right. [laughter]. >> You know, that's right. >> But, uh, it's so funny how everything. just evolves. When I got stopped with. the first ever, I was the first guy ever. to get stopped with a backfist. And when. I did, the people were like, "Yo, this guy must suck. Nobody gets stopped. with that shit." Now you see it on every. call. People getting stopped with back. fist. >> Dude, we used to have these.

conversations like Eddie Bravo and I at. the beginning of the UFC about stuff. that works that's not in there yet. Like. what about this? What about that? And. you know the big one that I missed on? >> What's that? >> Front kick to the face. >> Before Anderson Silva front kick V. toward the face. I'm like that. doesn't work. Nobody Nobody does that. Yeah. >> It's too hard to land. >> Yeah. Then it's. >> I don't even know why I thought that. >> You say he really thought that. >> for a little bit cuz I was like it's not. worth it. I was like that move is so. powerful to the body. I was like that's. really where you should use it cuz you. could land. It's a big target and you.

could really a guy up. You get your. most power with a front kick going. straight. And I was like to the face. it's like too hard to hit. >> I don't know why I thought that way. >> Macha Machandy. >> Yeah. Yeah. Machete and Randy. I think. it was like Vtor first. >> Yeah. >> Uh or Anderson Vtor first. I think that. was the first one when we saw a real. spectacular front kick knockout to the. face, but then it was Machita and Randy. and then a bunch of people started doing. it and then front kicks to the face. became like a spam. >> Thanks, thanks Sensei Seagal for that.

>> How about Michael Chandler? Tony, that. was a bad one. >> That might be the worst one. Yeah. >> Yeah. Or uh Cheeto Rivera, Frankie. Edgar. >> Oh, yeah. >> Bad for Frankie. >> Front kicks to the face are brutal. I I. just didn't see that coming. I really. cuz in martial arts tournaments most. people were throwing him to the body and. not throwing him to the face. Even in. kickboxing not a whole lot of guys are. throwing him to the face. You know the. with Michael Chandler I remember talking. to him he said he didn't even practice. that. >> That's. >> he just says he just saw the opening and. just threw the kick.

>> That's so. >> that's wild. >> That's so crazy. >> I mean I think too once a a successful. technique gets out there and people see. it. >> you know then all of a sudden hey I. could do that you know. >> Yeah 100%. He had a rough outing. The. last one, Mike. >> Yeah, that was a tough match. >> I mean, that was a bad matchup. Like. that's day and Mike, it's time for you. to retire. >> Mike is 40. Huie is in his prime and he. might be the scariest striker at 17. 155. rather, by the way. Giant for 55.

>> I know. Gigant like rangy, >> good movement. >> He's good, >> bro. He hit him with like three wheel. kicks. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He was just I mean, it was target. practice. It's crazy how good he is. >> And you talk about that taekwondo. movement. He has that. >> Exactly. >> But with boxing hands, so it's crazy. >> Yeah. You know, I mean, got to tighten. up the wrestling, the jiu-jitsu, and. that's why he lost to Ben Waseni. >> But that was a good learning experience. Like when you see a guy who's that good. everybody up, you know, the way.

he put out King. >> Bro, >> that was real bad. >> He does it like a video game. >> and I thought that was going to be. physique. I thought it was going to be a. decent one. >> And by the way, the physique knockout, apparently he was like sick as a dog. before the fight was. They were talking. about pulling out of the fight. >> No. >> And he just took the fight anyway and. had one of the best performances of his. career. >> But that guy's a he's elite, man. >> And training with Vulcanowski. >> I know. Only going to make him better. >> Perfect for sure.

>> What better guy like wrestling strong. like animal featherweight that was like. the king for so many years, won the. crown again, right? Stick around with. that guy. He'll show you how to get up. He'll show you how to not get taken. down. >> And Vulcganowski, you know, he don't. have much left in him. >> So, he's going to want to coach. >> Yeah. He's going to want to like pass it. on. And you got the perfect guy to pass. it on. >> He's got a great fight IQ. Very. wellrounded, too. >> Vulcanowski. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think he's one of my favorite in. terms of. >> Yeah, he's really grew on me. I didn't. like him because of Max. You know, I was.

always rooting for Max, but uh you know, he's earned my respect. That guy's just. he's he's good. He's good everywhere, too. He really is. The dude I got my. eyes on the most is Carlos Prates. >> I got my eyes on him. That Jack Dela Matolino Ko was crazy. Jack Jack is so good and he's so. tough. He's so tough. And to watch. Carlos just tee off on him like a looked. like target practice for him against. such a high level. >> He was having fun.

>> I know. That's ain't that the worst. part, >> dude. Moral Morales is a savage too. Still. >> I know. that fight. But but save that. fight. Morales versus Protest. Save that. fight. >> Wait till it's ready. Not yet. [laughter] It's like don't pull the. brisket out of the smoker just yet. Like. >> I was I was telling Matt, I saw some. grappling uh like footage of Morales and. I mean he looked pretty. >> Well, he has a wrestling background and. if there's a way he's going to get Proz. is going to probably be a combination of. those things cuz Protes just wants a. stand. >> Yeah, of course. And he's he's built.

like a like if you had an engineer. [laughter] like a long. >> mosquito torso is this big. He's all. legs and arms. >> Oh, and he's so accurate. He had his. best round the fifth round verse Ian. Machado Gary and he came back like a bat. out of hell. >> and really had him hurt bad. >> He might get outpointed but he's he's. calm in bad positions and he's always. dangerous. That was the last. Are you thinking maybe he's a chain. smoker or something that he's or he.

smokes cigarettes and the fifth round, man, he had he had Ian in trouble. >> He's good, dude. And he's he hit so. hard. When he KO'ed Leon, I was. like, I know Leon's good. He's a good. striker. To KO Leon like that clean was. crazy. >> They got a crazy room. What is it? The. Fight Nerds. They call themselves nerds. >> And Hufty was there. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Mhm. He trains with them and he trains. with other people as well. Like Proatz. moves around. Um but he you know he had.

a giant Muay Thai record rather. >> Oh no. >> Yeah. Like how many Muay Thai fights did. Carlos Proz have? Like world class. Like. I've watched a bunch of his just pure. Muay Thai fights and the comfort level. that he has in there exchanging and. moving and knowing where he's supposed. to be and not to be. >> That like sensitivity that he has to. like striking exchanges because world. class Muay Thai is is such an advantage. >> Yeah, I would favor him if he fought Ian. Garry again. >> perhaps because he knew heard him. Yeah,

>> he knows he has to like try to get it on. him. You can't point fight him. Do you. think that Islam's gonna just have his. way or do you think Ian uh Gary has a. shot there? Oh, >> he definitely has a shot. >> I mean, Ian. >> So, he had 29 K Muay Thai wins uh five. losses. So, 34 Muay Thai fights and like. high level, man. You watch him fight and. you're like, "Okay, this guy, he can. he he knows where to be, where. not to be, and he knows how to like.

piece people up, man." It's like when. you have that high level. We've seen it. so many times where these guys are like. world champ like Alex see these world. champion kickboxers. They enter into MMA. and like nobody has a chance standing. with him. It's like it's too scary. >> Yeah. >> And that's what you're seeing with. Carlos. It's like man. Like what he. did to JDM. I was like holy. >> I mean he he was having fun. He was just. playing. I was like what? >> Beating the out of the former world. champion having a good time. >> Just smashing them. >> Had him screaming from calf kicks. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Whereas he he went to his corner. and they're like, "No." Ah, don't. [laughter] scream. They're. telling him to not scream. >> Oh, you didn't just get kicked in the. same spot six times. [laughter]. you. >> You know how tough that dude is? His. nose is on the left side of his face. And [laughter] you told you're saying. that guy toughen up, >> right? >> That's a fact. That was one of those I. was had him when he was getting him up. against the cage. I was. flinching. I'm like, I hear it. It's.

coming. cuz you just you know it's. coming but you just don't know where. it's coming from. >> And those knees to the body are so. nasty. >> Bratz is so nasty. >> He's so good, man. >> And he's getting better, too. And and. now he's starting to do this. >> you know? He's like he's feeling it. He. feels like he's the best guy in the. world. >> I feel like he's the scariest guy in. that division. >> I think so. He's the scariest, but it. doesn't mean he's going to be the best. >> The bottom line about Islam is no one's. able to get away from him. He gets a. hold of you. He's very good standing up.

now. wrestling. >> and he gets a hold of you, you're a. fucksville. He has a different kind of. wrestling. >> Different kind of grappling. >> Well, if Ian can't keep him off of him, I don't see how he beats him on the. ground. >> His submissions are insane, too. He's He's just got a vice grip, man. >> I know. >> Everybody that he rolls with or. everybody that he he fights rather, they. all say, "I've never been grabbed like. that. Never been never felt anybody that. strong.". >> Who's that? Islam. >> Islam. Yeah. I don't know if it's the. same at 70, but he's so big. I can't. imagine it's not. It's not like he's a.

little 70. >> Yeah. Like because he's tall and he's. Yeah. He's got a good frame on him. >> I think he's gonna be better at 70. because he's not going to be depleted. Cuz when I would stand next to him in. the octagon when he was the 55 lb. champion, I'd be like, "How?". >> How do you weigh 55? That doesn't even. make any sense. You're 190 lbs right. now. Guaranteed. If I put you on a. scale, you weigh 190. >> It's so big. >> I think Ian's gonna make it comp. competitive early, you know, like. because he's got good footwork. He moves. side to side really good. He's long, but. if he gets taken down twice and then it.

becomes a habit of him getting taken. down, he won't get back up. He won't. >> if But the thing is, if Ian Garry can. get off sharp combinations early, he. could stun him. >> Yeah, >> cuz Ian can move. He's fast as. Fast as And he's super accurate. >> And the way he throws his strikes is. like real clean. No fat in his move. Everything's like like he doesn't. responsible. Yeah. He's not like a. physically overpowering guy. It's. technique. His technique is sharp. >> Yeah.

>> Did you see his interaction that time. with with Kamzot? >> Yeah. >> What are your thoughts on that? >> There was a little too much of a pat on. the back. >> That's what the I'm talking about. >> Kamzot wasn't wrong. And I like Ian. I. don't against him. >> But. >> there's like a pat on the back where. they're kind of halfway. >> Yeah. He went up to him like, "Oh, what? >> You think he was trying to check him? >> What? What? You know, you got Oh, you. got something coming up. Oh, you feel. strong." There's a weird thing when you. hit me a little too hard on the back, you know? There's one there's a hug and. then there's a slap slap. >> where like there's a slap slap that's.

like a little aggressive some male. dominance here. Yeah. For me. What are. you trying to do? >> You don't like me? Are you hitting me? You feel like it feels like you're. hitting me a little bit. >> Yeah. >> Like if you were a if you hit a woman in. the face like that, you go to jail, [laughter]. >> right? >> You're hitting me in the back, but if. you like, HEY, WHERE'S MY. SPAGHETTI? And you double slap her in. the back. >> right now. I don't even like from so. many right hands. If you see this little. >> Oh, Jesus. >> See this thing right here that's bumping. out. >> Yeah, it's broken. >> I don't like Yeah, I it up on.

Shy's head. But I don't like when guys. try to when they you first meet somebody. and they try to squeeze, dude. Cuz I I. want to smack them right there. >> cuz it's I'm like cuz I feel pain with. that. >> Is that it? >> Another one. >> What are we looking at? >> No, he's talking about the Hamza. >> No, no, that's Shavat. That's how dare. you. I fell down the wrong. typing [laughter] it in and then you. think they all look the same. I'm. >> like, "What are we looking at?". >> No, it was uh Jamie, wasn't that a. fight? It was like cuz.

I remember seeing it. >> Yeah, but. >> I felt I honestly felt bad for Hamzot. trying to make 185. Uh from all that I. heard before the Strickland fight, like. he almost died. >> to make 185. >> Yeah. When he made 185 when he fought. Strickland. >> Really? >> Yeah. He was apparently thinking that he. was gonna go up to light heavyweight. Oh. >> And they were even talking about him. fighting Yuri. >> Okay. >> And so he was preparing like he was. going up to light heavyweight. And if. you watch he's another guy who's got a. great YouTube channel. He details all.

his training. He was hanging out with. that Calvita guy doing a lot of cardio. and strength. Here it is. >> Like he he gave he gave him. >> I think it was before that though. I. think it was like good job tonight. Good. job. And I think he slapped him on the. back before that. There was or maybe it. was after I don't know what it was but. it was enough. So like he's fine now. Like they seem cool. Oh no. No. Talking. a little. >> right here. He gets pissed and pushes. him. >> He's a champion. Don't worry. So yeah. >> Yeah.

>> Well, you know Hamza doesn't. >> Well, I mean they give a little that. little squeeze on the shoulder. >> Yeah, that was not necessary. >> Chchna is not America, right? >> Okay. The dudes that come from Judge, that is a wartorrn country and those. don't play. >> And the guy who runs it, the. [clears throat] guy who runs it is it's. Hamza's homie. Y. >> which is like, okay. >> So much so he lets him tap him out. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> It's ridiculous, but that's how it goes. >> You know, you got to do what you got to.

do. But I like the fight. I think uh Ian. has a real chance. >> I do too. I think early he does, but if. he gets if he gets taken down. repeatedly, uh, >> if he gets taken down, he might just get. smooshed. He might just get choked and. smooshed and choked. I don't know. >> He struggled with shave caught on the. ground. >> He did, but again, that's a couple of. years ago. It's not like he's not. getting better. I mean, that dude, >> he's smart. Like, he knows how to he. knows how to. >> get himself prepared. >> I just think he's got a his edge is on. the, you know, on the feet obviously. So, I think that's where he if he's.

going to win, that's where he he will. >> I don't know why people don't like him. I love him. That was awesome. He also. almost finished Shavkat with a red naked. choke if I remember correctly. >> Does that really? >> Yeah, he did. He did have Shot back. Yeah, he had his back. >> Oo, I forgot about that. I forgot about. that. >> I mean, he that was the closest anybody. came to finishing an. >> He also up Sha Cott's knee. >> Yeah, >> he hit him with that oblique kick to the. knee and that's the reason why Shaot had. to get surgery. >> Really? >> And he's had two surgeries since. Yeah. Like Ian even made a post about it. >> Yeah. Damn. >> So rude. >> So [laughter] rude. This is why you had.

to get surgery. He's like I think Ian. made a post. I saw a post that maybe. somebody attributed to Ian, but it was. he it was his work. I mean, look, it's a. legal technique and he's really good at. it. And the way he throws it that. oblique way sideways to the knee, that's. devastating. >> He's long enough to do just kind of. >> Yeah, for sure. >> Jon Jones style. But he's like with his. the way he could move in with. combinations, it's very hard to deal. with. But even he how to grab. MVPs like. >> I know, right? Even [laughter]. him that's what I'm talking about where.

you can't hit them and you're like what. am I doing here? >> Well see but that's why like Ian like in. terms like think about that like he's. able to solve them problems. >> like he's his IQ is so high he's beating. guys like MVP and like the guys that. other people and Carlos Proz guys that. other people can't beat. >> Very true. Very true. Look at that. There it is right there. That's it right. there, man. >> Let me back it up again so we hit it. right there. Oh my god, dude. >> Damn. Mets are up. >> Look how bad that is. >> for anything. I used to do that. >> That's it right there.

>> I used to do that on the wooden dummy. That's a Wing Chunk. >> See, there you go. Don't you Wing Chung. work. Yeah, it is a stomp. >> It's real. It's real. Wing Chung works. >> Proof. >> That's it, >> bro. Gary's no joke, man. He's. dangerous. And that style of being that. tall is so hard to deal with. Matt, my. short brother. You know what I'm talking. about, >> dude. Let me tell you something. [laughter]. >> Especially little trolls like us, >> they'd always try to latch onto my head. >> Yeah. It's just so hard to even spar. with tall guys cuz they can hit you from. 6 in further away than you can hit them.

That's a lot of space. >> Yeah, you got to come in behind that. double triple jab. >> I love the fact that you you can do. anything and you should be able to kick. to the knees. I hate the fact that it. blew his knee out. We really haven't. seen him the same since we I mean he's. been. two surgeries. I think he had one fight. after that, right? >> Did he have one more fight after the Ian. Gary fight? He's had a what? Didn't he. have a bad car accident or something. like that? Did he? >> Yeah. Uh Shauvkott. >> Damn. >> I thought so.

>> I don't know. I'm not. Or maybe it was. just his family. >> Maybe. I don't know. Uh I hope he's. okay. I just missed the guy in the. octagon. He's good, man. Chovka. was good. It's just like one technique. can change your whole life. >> I thought he was coming back like trying. to rehab from whatever from the. accident. Like so. I thought that's I. mean look he obviously first it hurt his. leg for sure. >> for sure first he had ACL surgery before. that so he might have got. >> maybe that's what happened maybe he. redid it.

dude that sucks he's so good but. then again it's like this sport. waits for no one these dudes are coming. up coming up you know what I'm bummed. that got cancelceled this weekend is. Ethan Euing. >> oh yeah good man he's so good that was. going to be that kid was fighting. >> slouch he came onto the scene Oo. >> And uh it was a short a short notice. fight versus Wellmaker at Madison Square. Garden. >> and Wellmaker and and Well, he's having. a hard Wellmaker's having a hard time. lately. He lost his his last one, too.

And he's a better fighter than that. So, he's a young kid. So, we'll see the best. from him yet. But, >> well, he came out so spectacular. Wellmaker did. He looks so good in his. debut. And he looks like he's, you know, and on the Contender Series. He looks. like he's. >> he's really good. But, Ethan, you slick. >> He's really good. He's slick. >> And he's another guy like we're talking. about like these this new breed of guys. like the Sanhagens. He's constantly. switching stances, constantly giving you. different angles and directions. It's. like very hard to pattern them.

>> He's is he on the Connor card too, right? >> He was on Oh, >> Sanhagen fight Baltista. >> Yeah. Um but he was uh Ethan was on the. card and I think they pulled him off. >> Yeah, he was uh the dude he's fighting. was undefeated. Um what's it There it. is. Baserat. Yeah. And Bosro's. good. Yeah, that would that's a really. good fight. >> He's tall, rangy. He he like that would. have been interesting. >> Can we see the rest of the card? Can we. >> He's injured. He'll be back. But I like. the fact that he's not fighting injured,

too, because it's a pretty significant. injury. And so when these guys, they. say, "Fuck it. I'll just do it." And. then you have one loss and then that. loss leads you, you know, your career. can go down a weird. >> road. Pretty good card. >> It's a very good card. >> It is a good card. Ben W and Sanden and. Patty Pimpblelet. Right. That's right. And then Conor Max is on this one too, right? >> Yeah. There was He was going around that. he was going to fight Josh Hoget. I was. like, "Please don't make that be true.". >> Yeah. >> But he's a minus 2500. >> Robert Whitaker and Nikita Kryoff is.

good too, man. >> That Robert is going from 170 to 85 to. now light heavyweight. >> Ain't that crazy? >> And he's not that he's not that big. >> Not that big. No, he's like pretty. short. Not even. No. Six. >> How [snorts] tall is Robert? Six feet. tall. Yeah. Six. So, he's uh I mean, he's a thick fella. >> Yeah. >> Definitely got to be walking around at. like 230 or something like that, but. these guys are so tall and so rangy. And. that Nikita Kryoff guy can kick.

>> Yeah. He's a legit 205 or two. Cody. still. >> He was lighting up Yuri in that fight. before he got caught. Remember? Mhm. Yeah. He was lighting Yuri up. >> Yeah. Cody, I don't I think it's time to. >> Cody Garbrandt. >> Adrien Yanz, man. He went through a bad. streak, too. But that dude's very. skillful. Very good boxer. >> Yeah, he looked good in his last. >> What's Cody doing, too? What is this. thing on his eye? She angry that he's. good-looking. >> Y is angry. [laughter].

>> Yeah, he's got to doctor it up. The kids. these days, they like face tattoos. >> He's Y is 450 um favorite. >> That's what I'm saying. Like. >> 450. >> Cody's chin, man. He's just been too. many times. >> Too many times. >> Well, that's an age thing, too. I mean, Cody's not actually that old. >> I think he's only like 33. >> How old is Cody Garbrandt? >> 33? No, he's got to be older than that. >> I don't think he's old. >> No, I don't think he's old. I think he. started his career 34. >> Oh my god.

>> Yeah. See, I think he started his career. really young. >> Dude, >> 35 now. Oh, July 7th. Next week. Oh, next week. >> Max started. He was what, 19? This guy's. still getting it. >> Yeah. Well, you know, when I interviewed. them for the UFC at the White House, which is the most ridiculous thing in. the world, I'm sitting there in this b. this like beautiful adorned room with. like gold on the ceiling and like. that and on a chair with a camera in. front of me and then there's a monitor. here that's Connor. There's a monitor. there that's Max and they're arguing. with each other. You won't lay a glove.

on me. It's like [laughter]. you go. there. It was it was crazy to see the two of. them going back and forth with each. other. It's it's fun seeing Connor come. back, man. >> I know. He's the world. >> He cracked me up, man. He was cracking. me up. >> I can't wait till fight week. >> It's going to be amazing. >> Look, I hope he looks great. I hope it's. a good fight. >> But, you know, it's a tall order to take. on Max Holloway after he was just the. BMF champion. He beat Dustin Pouier. Yeah, he lost to Ilia, but like you look.

at the wins that that guy's had in his. career and how he's looked since their. first fight. This is a totally different. human being. >> Yeah, >> this is a world champion. Like one of. the all-time featherweight greats. >> I think if Connor don't knock him out. early, he's in for a long night. >> Max can fight with no weight cut. No. weight. Never get tired. >> People are saying like, "Oh yeah, but. what about moving up weight?" I'm like, "That's great for him. He don't have to. cut no weight.". >> Great for him. It's great for both of. them. Listen, this is the future. I. would hope I would hope guys would.

abandon weight cutting. I really do. And. I think the UFC should accommodate it by. letting go of these ridiculous weight. limits. Let's just find out what guys. weigh. >> Let's find out what guys weigh and like. have them fight. >> Does one still do that? >> I mean, that was the way to go. Like he. went at the beginning of the year and. then like this is what you're going to. fight. >> If I I would run things like one because. they also allow steroids allegedly. >> I [laughter] might have just made that. up. I don't want to get slandered. I. don't want to get sued. I don't think. they do. They have they I think they.

have drug tests at one. I think it's. like a multiple choice. [laughter]. >> Multiple choice. >> I want guys to take this. I want them to. take peptides. I want them to take. everything they have. I want to give. them a hyperbaric chamber. Like, let's. go for them. >> Yeah. And then [clears throat] just. release them. >> Yeah. Release the hounds. I want the. best fighting that's humanly available. >> The old [laughter] Pride days. >> Yeah, that's exactly what it is. I want. the enhanced games MMA bouts. >> [laughter]. >> But uh with Connor and Max, one guy even. in his prime, Connor has always showed.

sign shown signs that you know his. endurance was never the best. >> He's a sprinter. >> and Max is is man he's the guy in the. last round he's winning a fight 30. seconds he's pointing to Yeah. He's he's. fresh. His fifth round is is as good as. his first round. >> Max's discipline is beyond compare. Like. that trains hard. I mean, you might train just as hard, but there. ain't harder. >> There ain't harder. >> The craziest one was when he put it on.

Calvin Kedar and he was just talking. >> Yeah. Yeah, we were there. We were. there. I'm the best in the UFC time. >> It was so crazy. >> I was watching that cage side and I him. looking away talking and hitting him was. just something. >> Bro, how about Brian Ortega when he was. fighting him, showing him how to keep. his hands up. He grabs him, grabs his hand and puts it. by his head. No, do like this [laughter]. so you can block it and then pops him. with a jab again. >> Bro, Max Holloway is a bad.

dude. >> 100%. >> You know, I think it's going to be. interesting to see. Look, Connor in his. prime was elite. Conor Eddie Alvarez, if. it's that Connor right now fighting Max, I'd be like, "Holy shit.". >> Yeah, that's a that's different. >> But can he regain that form? >> Right. >> We don't know. I mean, he's a special. dude. Look at this. Just pop talking. to him. Yo, Dana was Dana was losing his mind. over there. >> It was also co so you could kind of hear. him, right? >> Yeah, 100%. >> Cuz this is not.

>> Oh, look at that. Look at that right. hand. >> Look at it. He was even looking at it. was slipping. >> I'm the best boxer in the UFC. Look at. this, >> bro. He's such a bad. >> man. >> And if he starts talking to Connor like. that in the middle of the fight and. teeing off on him, if Connor gets tired, it could get rough. >> Look at his last fight with Dustin. I. mean, the difference is Connor, I don't. give a if he's 39. I don't care how. old he is. That dude's got the touch. >> Yeah, he does. >> He's got the touch of death. >> And he's very accurate. >> And he's accurate and he's fast as.

And when he's sprinting, when he's. sprinting, he moves quicker than. anybody. >> And it's like, you can't do that for. five rounds, but if he does it and. cracks you, you're in you're on. fucksville. Look what he did to Aldo. Who the ever done that to Aldo? >> That's the touch. Do you think there's. any chance that Connor wrestles him? I. think Connor might try to wrestle him a. little bit. >> That's what Nate said all of a sudden. because he wanted to turn into a. wrestler. Maybe maybe looking at that. and then maybe seeing that that's. >> I don't see that. I think Max has got to. put it on him a little bit and then.

he'll shoot cuz he's not in it for war. >> That's going to get him even more tired. >> He did in his first fight. He wrestled. >> We say he's not in it for war, but he. can surprise us, man. Yeah, like you. know the humiliation of losing that. second fight to Dustin with a broken leg. and sitting there and having to go out. for all the who knows how he responded. to that. Obviously he did a lot of. parting. We don't know what kind of. training, you know, and if he really is. still the Conor McGregor that had. something to prove when he entered into. the UFC and he can get himself into that. mindset and get through a camp with that.

mindset, who knows, man. I mean, he he. definitely looked focused as when I. was talking to him in the the interview. It doesn't really mean anything until. you actually see him move around. But if. he really prepared himself correctly, he. wants to make a stand and show that he. could still do it. >> This might get wild. >> But if that's the strategy, man. If. he's worried about his endurance. already, or if that's a question, >> if that's the strategy, he's not it's. not like he's going to take him down and. just smoke him. Max has got he has a. ground. Look what he survived. Look what.

he survived with Charles Olivera. So. it's not like he's going to take him. down and just smoke him, >> right? I would like to talk to. Kavanaaugh and see what was the plan. like how did what did you guys do? How. long was the camp? Like how did it. start? >> What was he doing before the camp? >> Yeah. So I had talked to Laura Senko who. interviewed Kavanagh. Oh, >> okay. >> And she said that he wouldn't say it but. he kind of alluded to that wrestling. might be a part of the game plan. >> Well, that might be a ruse. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That might be to lure because the way. that Charles handled Max in the last.

fight was crazy. But also that's. Charles. Just get ready. Nobody else. >> took Max down like that. Nobody. >> Charles is a monster on Charles. >> He's so good on the ground, man. >> Max had to survive some that other. people would have tapped. >> Here's what's crazy. Islam smooshed him. >> I know. I know, right? [laughter]. >> Right. There's crazy levels to this. sport. >> True. >> Islam smooshed him. >> I know. >> He got him. >> Made him look bad. Made him look bad. >> Smoosh. He was tapping like immediately.

He was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't. getting out of this. >> Yeah, >> I'm going night night. >> That's how good he is. I mean, his his. squee when he got Drew Dober in half. guard that arm triangle from half guard. is like just there ain't no half guard. here. This is just smush. >> Yeah, pressure. The pressure is. phenomenal. >> Incredible squeeze. Like he just cuts. off the blood. Like you there's nothing. you could do about it. That forearm grip. darse that he uses. Do you with. that? >> I don't mess with that, but I know how. powerful it is.

>> Do you with it, Matt? No, that that. was never my thing. The anacondas and. the dorses. >> because we're short armed little me. with these things. >> These [laughter] are great for some. things, but not for. better for y'all because like all you. have to do is grip here. >> Yeah, I never tried it though. But I did. used to like the Japanese necktie for. the same reason. Cuz the Japanese neck. tie when you're funneling under for when. you go for that under hook on the left. arm and you get it behind the head, you. cinch down like this. And then instead. of trying to go all the way through and.

cinch it up as a dar, you you take it. from this position with this lever on. the back of the neck and you tuck the. neck into your chest. >> And then you grab a leg. You grab a leg. and you do this. >> You like lean on this shoulder. So you. once you cinch it up, as soon as you get. this forearm behind the neck, the first. thing to do is you put your left. shoulder to the mat. So your left. shoulder, you drop down the mat. And. usually they they think they're going to. spin out of it, but you're trapping the. head and the chest. >> with your shoulder to the floor, right? >> There's a video of me. See, we could. There's a video of me showing it to uh. TJ Dillashaw. We're we're at the Onit.

headquarters and I'm showing how to do. it. I It's great for short arm. >> You're on his back, you're saying? >> No, you're on the dar position, right? So he's got the under hook. You funnel. under you get it behind the head. Once. you get it behind the head, you use this. lever. You pin that down on the neck. And the first thing I want to do is put. my left shoulder over on the top. So. here, oh, here it is. So here it is. So. once you get to this position and you. clip, I want to put my shoulder down and. then his head is trapped. >> Yeah. >> Is that a neck crank? >> 100%. It's horrible.

>> Are you hipping in? >> Yes. >> And you usually grab a hold of a leg. >> You can just step over. It's right. there. Jamie, back it up to where I'm. showing it to him and then I talk. through it. Back it up a little bit. Yeah, there it is. Give me some volume. >> Okay. But try this though. >> The difference between what you're doing. and what I'm doing is. >> I'm going on my left shoulder. >> Yeah. >> Once you got [laughter] this, >> if I hook this leg, I'm going on my left. shoulder. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm all the way sideways. >> Yeah. >> So, there's a tremendous. >> So, you're hooking the leg even before.

you fall down too. >> Immediately. >> Yeah. Because you won't be able to get. it if you fall down before. >> Exactly. So, as soon as I cinch my hands. together, I'm hooking a leg. I want to. tie him up. >> I want to tie him up and I want to get. him in a position where he thinks he's. going to roll out of it like you would. with a dar. >> Exactly. Cuz I also because I'm trapping. your head in my chest. >> So, you're you're just worried about me. getting this. But I'm not even trying to. get that. I'm just getting this. Give. some volume right here. [clears throat]. >> Yeah, >> dude. That's a.

leg. >> Right. Right. Right. For sure. >> See, people like when they put their. legs in there. That's what he was just. saying. That's why it's like it's really. good. >> That cranks that neck. >> that Danny Castile. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Going all the way to my. >> No, I'm sure you can, but that's better. >> There's more pressure. >> You very rarely see this in the UFC. And. it's available, too, because also the. gloves, they get in the way of certain. chokes, like definitely rear naked. chokes. It's so hard to get the hand in. the proper position with the back of the. hand on the head.

>> Does it matter which leg you step over? like you stepped over the first, you. stepped over the far leg when. >> the far leg's better. You get better. control. But it doesn't matter as long. as you could tie him up and trap his. head inside your chest. So once the. head's in the chest, you're in a. terrible position to defend because it. puts your head at this nasty angle. Like. the moment your head gets to that angle. So TJ's showing like one of the ways. that he does it. >> He's doing. >> I say his grip is different from yours. >> He's trying a different grip. >> Um I like my grip better. Well, it's not. my grip. It's Eddie Bravo's grip, but I.

like the grip better because you got the. lever. So, the thing is about having it. go through this lever when you get this. forearm and the back of the neck, that's. a lot of power. There's a lot of power. that way. >> So, if you see how I'm doing, I'm doing. it like a little bit different. >> Well, yours, too. You're you're all on. his on his head and neck. TJ is. cradling. >> So, he did it that way now, like in that. that time. Now, he's doing it the right. way. That's that's nasty. And then once. it gets in the chest, Yep. Trap the leg. You can trap either leg. It's the whole. thing is just trapping the head. You.

just want to make sure you have contact. with his body so his left legs or his. right his legs rather can't spin out. You don't want him spinning out because. then his head's going to get free. It's nasty, but it's just I don't see it. in MMA and I don't know why because it's. available when guys are trying to get. the dar and they can't get it. Like. there's a lot of times the legs are. tangled up and it's it's horrible. because you have this level. You. remember when Khabib tapped Connor and. everybody's like, "Oh, you didn't even. That wasn't even in the choke.". >> He was doing that same but he was. doing across the neck on the back.

horrible. It's going to break. your neck, man. And that's what that. feels like. But that's even worse cuz. it's sideways. >> and you got your body on it. >> Yeah. But the the worst that I've never. seen in the UFC is the executioner. I. don't think I've ever seen anybody get. that rear that, you know, you're in the. back mount and you reach over, you go. guillotine from the back. >> Somebody got something like that the. other day. >> Um, well, that was the uh the the. Scottish uh. >> Oh, >> Scottish twister. >> The Scottish twister. Scottish.

>> Scottish different Scottish twister is a. little different. It's still nasty as. >> That's the you're leaning back, right? Yeah. It's horrible in your neck. >> Anything that attacks the spine and the. >> Oh, they're horrible. But I think. >> my man couldn't fast enough. Yeah, >> the executioner is the worst cuz you. you've got rear naked hooks and you've. got the head back this way and you're. going like that. >> That's nuts. >> That's nuts. >> Yeah. Now, that's a catch wrestling. thing, right? >> Uh that I don't know, man. That sort of.

started popping up at 10th Planet at. least, like in the 2000s, like 2003 or. four. So, Epstein likes to call it the. executioner, but he wasn't the only guy. doing it. Like other guys had figured it. out. So, you're in north south, which a. lot of guys, you know, that was back in. the north. Got him. >> Yeah. This is it right here, >> bro. This is holy hell. >> When you're in rear naked choke. position, but you have the the the arm. wrapped like that, the amount of. pressure on the spine is just crazy.

>> It's about 100%. >> Should I. Long Island knucklehead? They'll be. [laughter]. making sure everybody sign a waiver on. that. >> But look at look how nasty this is. Like. it's such a bad position to try to. defend. You have no strength to defend. it. >> Yeah, that's just Yeah, that's a wrap. >> Hell, that's hell. And I don't see it in. the UFC and I don't understand why. I. think it's available. I think some guys. could get this. I mean, not always, but. there's a lot of times you're trying to. fight the rear naked choke or the you're.

trying to get the rear naked choke and. the guy's defending. And if you switch. to something like this, if you could. find a way to get into a position like. this, you're not going to defend that, man. Well, the truth is that a lot of. guys in the UFC or in MMA in general. don't really practice jiu-jitsu from. that standpoint. They do anti- jiu-jitsu. because they think that their chances of. winning a fight on their feet are. better. >> Right. >> So, their idea is just like defend the. takedown, get back to my feet. >> Yeah. >> Or just use basic jiu-jitsu. So, like. stuff like this that's available to. them, >> they don't know it or they don't. practice it enough for it to be.

instinctive for them to do it. >> The fact that they're just trying to get. up to their feet, the first problem, right? >> Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Because look at. Gilbert Burns vers Damen Mia when match. his jiu-jitsu a little bit and he finds. the opening. >> If he doesn't match his jiu-jitsu, he'll. use that. But then he has to move a. certain way. Gives enough space to get. to his feet. >> God, I got to remember this guy's name. The guy who was the Bellator champion. who's from Ukraine. He's fighting in the. UFC wants Amaz. >> Yeah, you're a Slav Amaz. I knew that was the name and I didn't.

want to it up and I I I was. panicking. Yeah, [laughter]. >> it's it's not easy to get. >> But you know when I really panic? Weigh. in days. >> You look at my face. I have a hot panic. >> I'll be feeling for you sometimes. [laughter] cuz stuff like that. He's. going to forget the name. >> Do you don't bring the paper up. on your paper? >> I do. I have to. I have. Not only that, I have to listen to these names. over and over and over again. some of that shit's coming. >> And you know, Magov. and Annic going to be mad at you if you. mess it up. >> He's so good at it. [laughter].

>> I don't know how you do. He should be. doing it. I should give the microphone. name. He'll introduce the guy. I'll just. interview people. >> Yeah, [laughter]. >> he's the best at naming the names. >> I do that on unfiltered. I go, "Hey, Jimmy, who do we have next?" It's a. crazy name. >> I just get the first name down. >> Uslav is good. >> He's good. His ground game is so sweet. >> Did you see him fight. >> the which show? >> See, pull up his last fight. >> Yeah, he beat up. >> Yeah, bro. It's but back it up a little.

bit so you can see the taked down. Watch. how he does this. Look at how beautiful. this is, bro. >> It's all in the hip. Here comes. >> right into arm triangle. Look at this. >> W That's a. >> bro. And then he goes knee to the belly. too. Just crushing him. >> Did you see the his setup for uh Neil. Magny? >> Yes. >> Oh man, he's so smooth, man. >> He's smooth. >> He's smooth. >> He's smooth, >> dude. He put it on Neil. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then he break dances. afterwards. >> Break dances. [laughter]. >> Got to have something. Well, actually, look at that, man. >> Little windmill. Yeah,

>> that guy can move. And that guy's really. good. He's dangerous. >> Old Shawn Alvarez. He would be doing the. windmill. >> He has one KO lost. He w lost. That was. Jason. Jason Jackson. >> Yeah, Jason Jackson knocked him out. He. just put it on him. Jason Jackson just. >> just murdered him. Just like ran ran. across and beat him up. >> Yeah, I was talking to Big John and um. Josh Thompson on the podcast. They. brought him up like that. He's like the. un most unheralded, the most. underappreciated of the guys that are. out there. >> Jason Jackson. >> Yeah.

>> So, that's a problem when you're not in. the UFC. [clears throat]. >> That is. And if the UFC picks him up, I. mean, it's going to be kind of late. >> He had to dig through the rubble of his. house to get his. >> Holy. >> Jeez. That's nuts, man. >> That's crazy. >> That's nuts. >> Put in perspective real fast. >> Holy dude. How bad did he want. that belt? >> For real, right? I mean, this dude went. back to a war zone to get his belt. >> A Bellator house got a Bellator when. [laughter] Christ imagine his UFC belt. >> I'd have loved that.

belt. >> That dude's good, man. There's. so many good guys now. It's crazy. It's. just a It's a wild time for the sport, man. >> Yeah. >> You know, I like Big John. You know, one. thing I don't like that he does, >> it always irks me. Big John McCarthy. I. lie. He when I won the title, he was my. guy. But uh I hate this. man. As you savages know, when. you're in there, you're in a certain.

mindset, right? You got a guy looking to. do bodily harm to you. You're looking to. take him out any way possible. If there's a foul or something now, you're in this mindset. So now you got. this big guy. Hey, uh what do. you see? You say ugly. >> making jokes. >> Oh. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. [laughter] Okay. Let me go back TO THIS GUY TRYING TO. KILL ME. BIG GOOD ONE. BIG JOHN, GET. [laughter] THE OUT. REALLY? I JUST. like you like a million jokes today. How.

about [laughter] this? HOW ABOUT YOU GO. to the mother ship and you bring that to. Tony? How about you take a put your name. in the hat? You take the name out and. maybe you could use that on Kill Tony. [laughter]. >> I don't like that I I that. Every time he does it, >> oh my god, >> there's something in me that makes me. just be like, dude, is it about you? What the is the matter with you? [laughter]. >> A good one, Big John. Oh, and you see. the guys do it. Sometimes you see the. guys go,

>> oh yeah, all right, dude. that. IT'S THE SAME AS [laughter] IT'S THE. SAME AS THE GUY LOOKING TO GIVE YOU A. HIGH FIVE OUT THERE. THAT, TOO. That's boring. So, I mean, I don't know, man. It always irked me and it just. stuck out when you his name came up. And. I like he's not a bad guy. >> He's a great guy. I love him. >> But how about this? Now that you're back. reffing, make a note of that. Maybe. [laughter]. >> put your name in the hat. >> Yeah, I could imagine that would. with your head, right? You'd be like, "Man, make me listen to that joke.".

>> God damn. [laughter]. >> I just got poked in the working. >> What are you You see ugly, >> bro. I think they're getting a little. bit better about warning people for. fouls, but not better about taking. points. They did for a little while. It. seems like there was it was hot and they. was like, "Yeah, one point." AND. EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, "YES." Crowd. cheered. That's how it's got to be, folks. That's the new rule. The new rule. should be I poke one point. Don't poke. eyes. You do this and you jab. someone in the eyes, one point. One. point. One point right away. You know.

not to do it. Sometimes it happens. Unfortunately, if it happens, you get a. point taken away. Don't let it happen. And you go back to your corner and go, "Make sure you don't do that again.". Nutshot. One point. Unintentional. nunchot. It's a warning. Like, cuz you. could kick while I'm kicking. You hit me. in the nuts. You weren't trying to hit. me in the nuts. We just collided legs. That happens all the time. >> The rough one is the call. The call is. the uh the back of the head when you're. trying to put a guy away cuz he's moving. his head. You're trying to hit him. >> It's hard. It's rough. It's hard. It's.

kind of that's hard. >> And and that spot is a lot smaller than. what most people think cuz we think cuz. we we think about it, they just say the. back of the head. So you're assuming. that it's like anything back there. >> This is like a little small piece. >> Isn't that crazy though? You kind of. should be able to hit the back of the. head. >> If everybody had the Osborne. [clears throat]. haircut, it'd be okay. Just [laughter]. don't get him. Don't hit him in his. hair. >> Bro, do you remember when Henzo fought. uh what was his name? Rikers. >> Ben Rikers. Spikers. remember spikers.

and it showed if you're allowed to elbow. the back of the head the rear mount like. [snorts] when Henzo. bro when Henzo was dropping bombs on him. and then stepped on put him to sleep. with his jacket with his I remember that. the beating he gave him before he choked. him to sleep beating in the back. >> call in my room all night long. >> the guy was the guy was being a prick. before the. >> he was a piece of yeah he. >> he did what what he did. >> oh yeah he he just calling his.

room trying to wake him up like had his. people harassing Henzo. He was a dick. and went to greet him and he said, >> "Oh, you have not you have eyes like my. my my girlfriend, but they're they're. prettier or some fucking." So, right, Henzel's one of those guys that he can. go from a smile to a boha in two. seconds. >> You're about to. >> I mean 0 to 100 real quick. >> Well, and you know, only if you're a. dick. >> Oh, yeah. >> If you're not a dick, he's the nicest. guy in the world. Come on. >> But that that position just shows you if.

you're allowed to do that. Yeah. This is. But show before that. Watch what he does. before. >> It's once Here it is. Once he gets them. back mount, WATCH THIS. BOOM. MAN, >> I mean, dude, that's a wrap. You can. only take Imagine that was in MMA. >> Why? Now, here's the thing. >> This dummy has a ghee on. >> Is that inherently dangerous? Is it that. much more dangerous? >> I mean, what we're doing is already. dangerous, >> right? And it also is very effective. So, are we removing a very effective. technique that would end fights? And if.

so, are we doing it to protect the. fighter? Cuz if we are, why are we. allowing a lot of other stuff? Why are. we allowing flying knees? Why are we. allowing side kicks to the knees? Why. are we allowing wheel kicks to the head, heels to the head? >> Hey, smack him in the face again. >> Hey, nice fight. Smack. [laughter]. >> Step. There's a certain amount of things. that we already allow that are so bad. for you. It's like, why don't you allow. a shot to the back of the head? I I need.

it explained to me like I'm a child. Like, why is it okay to slam your elbow. full blast into someone's temple? >> Yeah, but not this spot. >> You could drive your elbow down into. their eye socket. >> That's okay. [clears throat] But the. back of the head is bad. But also, the. back of the head's fine if you knock. someone out from the back of the head. and you didn't mean to. Like a headkick. Like how many head kicks wrap around and. hit the back of the head, >> right? >> Wonderboy and it's like his UFC debut. He goes over the shoulder. Whack. Back. of the head. Out cold.

>> Yeah, >> that always works. The back of the. head, round kicks. That's a lot of times. where they land. getting hit in the back of the head. It. is [laughter] a little different. >> How many times are like like Ernesto. who's knocked dudes out with back of the. head head kicks in kickboxing? >> A lot for sure. I think that's how he. knocked out Maurice Smith. I think he. snuck it around over the shoulder and. hit him in the back of the head. >> I mean I mean anatomy is going to. dictate that.

>> That's what you're supposed to do. So. that's legal. No one says that's an. illegal blow. >> My over hands. That's where they hit a. lot. them. >> I mean, >> well, I'm facing you. What do you want. me to do? >> This is what is part of the sport, right? No. If that's legal and you get. okay win, if you head kick someone, you. land them in the back of the head. That. That's always happened. >> Yeah, >> that's happened a hundred times. >> I don't know. I I mean, >> it's weird, right? >> It is. I mean, it's weird because. >> I mean then we now we're playing with.

all these different rules and people. don't like them and it's just like But I. mean, you got to draw a line somewhere, I suppose. But. >> see if you can find Ernesto Hoost uh. KO's Moraurice Smith. less rules shows who's the better. fighter at the end of the day. >> But those there's some rules that I'm. like, "Okay, but now you're getting a. unrealistic. understanding of a position." Like when. someone's in a turtle and you can't kne. the head. >> Yeah. To me, that one should be. eliminated right away. You should be.

able to knee a guy in the head. >> Yeah. Watch this. Look at that. >> Shoot. There it is. >> Right at the back of the head. >> Yep. >> Watch that again. Can you Can Is it in. slow motion? Is that what it is? Watch. how slick this is. Ernesto was such a. >> Look how close he is, too. Oh, man. >> Boom. Crazy. >> See how close he was? Crazy. >> That was like Billy Jack. >> Look at that, >> bro. >> Yep. You know, so if that happened in the. UFC, everybody would cheer. You couldn't. say, "Hey, that's an illegal blow, >> right?" Even though technically that's.

the spot where they can constitute a. legal blow. >> Yeah, that's illegal. >> Yeah, >> that's illegal. And wheel kicks happen. like that all the time. >> All the time. Cuz it's coming from that. angle from from behind. around. The guy. tries to duck under, hits him right in. the back of the head, and no one. complains. >> Yeah. >> It's weird. No one, the referee never. says, "Stop nose striking the back of. the head." Never happens. >> Yeah. >> Ever. >> It's only when they're like turtling. >> and they're throwing arm punches. >> Yeah. Which is the least. >> power which is less powerful than a full. kick to the head. >> But the reality is if you were in that.

position and the guy could throw elbows. to the back of the head, that would be a. wrap. in that same position where you're. on a guy's back and you're doing this. kind of Instead, if you're just. back of the head, boom, boom. >> Like Henzo just did, right? >> Hey man, what about headbutts? >> Right. Headbutts. Not even even standing. up, >> right? >> Like when I'm in a clinch and I'm buried. in It's good for short guys. >> I love it. >> I get that your head all day. When I get. in that clinch, Mark Coleman would get.

in your guard and headbutt the out. of you. And the only guy to solve that. puzzle was Moraurice Smith. >> Well, >> Maurice Smith was the first guy to solve. that puzzle. >> Dragged him out. Cardio cardio and. defense off his back. Good butterfly. guard. >> Mark Kerr murdered Fabio Gelle with. headbutts, too, >> bro. Headbutts when you were on top is. brutal. >> Yeah, I was at that fight. That was the. first fight I ever went to. Really? UFC. fight I ever went to was in Birmingham, Alabama. >> Really? >> I was there. Yep. >> Wow, bro. That was a huge upset. >> Yeah, I know. Everybody I was nervous.

Everybody you. I was nervous. I was. in the crowd rooting for Moraurice Smith. for obvious reasons. >> Well, I was friends [laughter]. >> and everybody, but I was the only one. there rooting for Morice. Yeah, >> I was friends with Maurice. Maurice came. over my house, worked out with him. I. was cool with Moraurice. So, it was like. I was sad. I was like, "Oh my god, Maurice is going to fight Markleman. You're going to get killed.". >> I was like, "He's 260 lbs. He's a. wrestler. He takes everybody down." And. then when Maurice was leg kicking them, he said, "Come on, Mark. Ground me and. pound me." Wap. Mhm.

>> Ground me and pound me. Wap. >> He was talking to him while he was doing. it. And then when Mark would move. towards him, he'd move away. >> Yes. >> Got right back in. Those leg kicks were. brutal, too. Maurice was the first guy. to bring like world class leg kicks to. the UFC. World class. >> Did the Lions then guy. >> actually Pedro Hizo? >> Yeah, Pedro. >> Pedro. >> Yeah, it's Paul Varlins. >> He had sick leg kicks. >> What's the Lions Pete? Uh, he knocked. out I mean beat. >> Pete Williams.

knocked him out. He knocked him out with. a head kick first. >> Yeah, >> I think Maurice beat him first, but. Maurice beat him by decision, right? Wasn't it a five round decision? >> I think it was a decision. >> I think it was a five round. He just. beat him up. >> Williams caught him with a kick. >> Yeah, Pete Williams head kicked with. shoes on. >> The good old days. >> That's right. Head with shoes on. Yeah, >> bro. It was what a crazy sport, man. I. remember one of the first fights that I. saw was uh this Japanese dude and um. Valiji and the J they they were grabbing. each other's like underwear like you.

could hold up they was giving him a. wedgie. I think the dude he was fighting. like was literally grabbing his shorts. and like giving him a massive wedgie. like during the fight holding the whole. >> totally legal. It was totally legal. >> in the UFC or. >> It was bare knuckle back then too. The. first fight I worked was bare knuckle. that was 97. >> I remember that Vtor was the only guy. that had gloves on. Is Vtor the first. guy or Tank the first guy to wear? >> Tank was one of the first guys for sure. Tank might have been the first guy. I. believe he was the first guy and then. Vtor wore him too. Vtor was, you know,

bro 19 years old and Vtor first fought. in the UFC tornado. [laughter]. >> He ran fight. Holy dude. >> I mean, definitely on that. >> 100. He looked like the Hulk. >> Well, not yet. He didn't. When he first. fought in the UFC, he only weighed 200. lb. >> When he fought Scotto, when he fought. Trey Telman, he won 200. He weighed 200. lb. Then he gained tons of weight and. fought Randy. And when he fought Randy,

he was like 240. >> And that messed him up, too. He could. too big. That was what Randy got cut in. that one. Remember? >> No, that was a different one. That was. in the UFC later on for the light. heavyweight title. >> Yeah. >> So, this is like So, this is Trey. Teligman. And Trey Teligman, if you're watching. this, has lost his check in a uh his uh. pec rather in a car accident when he was. a baby. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. Crazy. >> He lost. >> This is Brad Kohler. >> Yeah. >> This is a different fight. >> What is going on here?

>> Hold up. >> Japan 1997. >> Oh yeah, this is uh not That's not Japan. 97. It's UFC 12. Actually, >> Japan 97 was when uh Frank Shamrock. fought Kevin Jackson. Remember any. Armar? Yeah. >> Ah, this was that was pretty crazy. >> This is a different card. That's. Ultimate Japan 97. Uh, UFC 12 is the. fight. >> I was just going off. >> Yeah, you remember the number. >> Yeah, >> Randy looks older there than he does. now. [laughter].

>> Peptides. >> It's not It wasn't Japan, though. >> Um, >> that's I was just heard you say. something about Japan in 1997. That's. all I typed in. >> No, no, there's a Japanese fighter is. what I said. He fought Baliji. Wed. Ishmael. It was either UFC 12 or UFC 13. Uh Wid Ishmael UFC. If you find that, you'll find it. And the dude was giving. him a super wedgie. [laughter]. >> You were totally allowed to grab shorts.

>> Grab shorts. >> You could punch guys in the nuts. >> Acne punching Joan in his balls. [laughter]. >> Remember that, dude? What about Gary. Goodidge in the crucifix? >> Paul Herrera. So, here it is. Look what. the dude's do done to Luigi's pants. Luigi's pants. [laughter] Jesus. >> All the way up the crack of his ass. Cuz. the dude had a hold of his shorts. I do. remember earlier in the fight. >> I'd rather that be McKenzie Durn. He's. giving the wedge to. >> But yeah, look at this dude. >> Here it is, bro.

>> Oh my god. So, this was my first UFC. that I worked. >> Okay, so look, the Japanese guy has the. gloves on as well. So, Vtor had them on, but Vali is fair. You're allowed to grab. it back then. >> Look at the Japanese guy has gloves. Vali's bare knuckle. >> Hilarious. Isn't that crazy? He's really. grabbing his ball. >> He's up there grabbing his nuts. >> I think you could grab nuts. >> It's got to be so uncomfortable. >> Hey, look how he's grabbing a fence. He's like, >> "Yeah.". >> Yeah. >> Full on grabbing the fence. >> and Big John's trying to pry his hands. away. He just grabs him again. >> He just don't even let go.

>> At least back then, I guess you couldn't. grab the fence. So, there was a rule. [laughter]. >> He's grabbing it again. LOOK AT THE. GRAB. LOOK AT THE GRAB. THAT'S THE most. blatant fence grabbing of all time. >> I see ugly right there, >> bro. [laughter] Big John, would he get. on it? John. John, slap his hands away. John, do something. John. Johnny's. grabbing the fence. [laughter]. >> They really It was like a suggestion. back then. >> Not was not even a rule. [laughter] Were. you allowed to grab the fence? >> I think he knocked his hands away. He. was saying don't grab the fence, but. only like a little. [laughter].

>> He's kind of not that enthusiastic about. enforcing it. And it was like as he was. letting go already, he was like, >> grabbed it. >> Yeah, that was uh the first UFC I worked. like the they the rules back then were. so weird. >> Shoes, wrestling shoes. It's weird how. you you know like wrestling shoes would. change everything. >> You get so much more grip on the cage. >> So much more ability to move. >> Yeah. >> Uh but the wrestlers would love it. But. also. >> foot locks. >> That's what that would be a problem. >> Oh, heel hooks be a real problem. When I. first started training, I remember with.

Cuck back in the day, >> he used to wear wrestling sneakers and. stuff and I remember being like, you. know, I wanted as much for the street as. possible. I remember that was my. mentality. So, I'd wear the wrestling. sneakers and I'm like, "Yo, this.". [laughter]. >> Guys are grabbing your foot and I'm. like, "Yo, that.". >> And also like setting up arm bars and. stuff like when you try to grab the foot. and throw it over now. You've got a grip. on something that's like textile. like you you could hold on to that. A foot is foot's hard to. hold on to. They get sweaty and.

They're all slippery. >> Nah, no good. [snorts]. >> Yeah. When I hear Jen's pulver, I was. like, he going to wear shoes or worse. [laughter]. >> That was Hey. Hey, Jamie. Could you find. Dean Thomas's rolling knee bar on Jen's. povert? I bet they don't even have that. I think Jamie can find that. >> Oh, it has to be online. Everything's. online. Dean Thomas, >> those fights, those old fights. I mean, those are history. >> I'm a pseudo fighter, you know. I. remember seeing that interview because I. was You remember seeing it? >> I studied it because I was gonna fight. you. >> Oh, >> and I'm like, "Ah,

>> try that meatball on me, motherfucker.". >> J Pulver had some laser beam punches. back in the day. >> I know. I remember when he knocked down. Lewis. I was like, I got to fight this. guy. >> Oh, that was a bad one. >> J, >> you got him in his prime, too. Yeah, >> but I He crack did not want that guy. punching me. >> Yeah, you can't be wearing shoes. It's. just. >> kneeball. >> Yeah, it's just too much. Too much of an. advantage. >> That was an old school one, too. You did. it almost like you're going to give your. back to him and roll. >> I think you should let him. >> Look at this. Here it is. Look at this.

>> Who is that. >> Look how lean you are. Oh man. Inside heel hook with shoes on. That's a. wrap. >> That's the worst. >> He has no way. Tap tap tap. You should. have tapped a long time ago. >> Thomas. >> Oh my god. That must have hurt. >> Thomas, >> what did it feel like? Did you feel it. bust? >> I heard all the pop. >> How bad was the injury? >> Oh, I don't know. I never called him. afterwards, but. >> Oh, it had to be real bad, dude. It had. to be real bad. >> with the shoes and everything. Like, my. god, >> look at that. Into that. That's so.

pretty. >> Look at you. >> Look at you. Right into the inside. >> Oh my god. He knows he's Bill. >> Oh god. I heard I heard it pop. >> Oh, you mean Dean Thomas? >> Yeah, I heard that pop a few times. Yeah, >> that is awesome. Dean, >> how good does that feel? >> It feels good actually. [laughter]. I've watched myself get knocked out by. BJ Penn over and over and over for. years. So like about time I get one. those heel hook ones are the ones that. you while you're watching them you're. grabbing. >> Yeah. You know you're already I'm like.

you're like. >> I hate them. I hate them with a passion. because they ruin your whole career. >> Hey, do you ever see a kamura dislocate? >> Oh yeah. >> Well, I saw that's just ugly, man. It's. like you almost like you want to push it. back in. You're like. >> Frank Mir, right? >> Oh dude. Oh, >> dude. Straight jiu-jitsu tournament. I'd. snap the dude's humorous just like. straight up key lock cuz he didn't tap. My coach is yelling like, "Protect your. fighter.". >> Oh Jesus. God, that's horrible. And you.

don't recover fully from that. >> He had to get surgery. Sound like a pool. stick snapping. >> Ah, I just I'll never forget the sound. of Weidman when We Widman Oh my god. Oh. my god. Never forget that sound. >> I remember that. >> That one was so That one was so loud. Oh, I didn't I wasn't in the corner. >> So loud. >> What are the chances. >> Anderson does it to, you know, he does. it to Anderson and then it. happens to him, too. Like. >> it's only four guys in the UFC.

>> It's. one Cory Hill's the first one. >> I remember the Cory Hill one cuz the. referee didn't see it and I put my. headphones on. I'm screaming, "Stop the. fight. Stop the fight.". >> He passed away. >> Stop the fight. He passed away. >> Did he? Yeah. >> Yeah. [snorts] Young. >> Yeah. >> Was it related to that? No. I think he. has some kind of disease, some kind of. like something with his. >> Bro, a break of a bone is a traumatic. injury. Like, you have to understand. this is such a difference between. breaking your hand, which I think we've. all done, or I broke my arm when I was a. little kid, breaking your shin in half.

>> like that. It's such a traumatic. >> stepping down on it and it just. >> How about Frank Mir broke his femur in a. car accident? A guy t-boned him on a. motorcycle, snapped his thigh bone. But Frank wasn't the same for years. It. took years for him to come back to full. form again. >> That's rough, man. >> Rough. So, this is the other question about. Connor. How much can he use that left. leg? His left leg snapped in half. Okay. And.

he I I see him kicking the bag and I see. him doing all these things and that's. great. And I hope it's 100%. >> But I mean I seen Chris Wyman kicking. Hector Lumbard. You see that? [laughter] They had a They. had a weird thing where I think it's. only body punches and leg kicks. You see. what I'm talking about? >> Oh, that thing. >> Yeah, the jiu-jitsu thing in Russia. >> Jiu-jitsu, >> but it is. They do jiu-jitsu, too. >> Did they? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They're allowed to leg kick and. body punch. >> It was the oddest thing. >> It's the weirdest thing. >> I just saw Chris just kept kicking him. body. >> and Hector was like punching him in the.

neck. I'M [laughter] LIKE I'M LIKE, "WHAT THE KIND of rules is this?". >> It's crazy. >> I didn't know what I was watching. Those. those ones where the dudes like stand. next to each other and just leg kick. each other into submission. >> That shit's pretty nasty. >> Those are so that's so crazy. >> Who does that? >> That was I don't know, man. But there's. a lot of those videos. >> It's almost as dumb as slap. >> almost [laughter]. >> I mean kind of almost because like you. could really ruin your leg. Like you. don't understand. Like Pedro Hizo like. one of those kind of guys.

>> Could you imagine like doing that with. Pedro Hizo? >> Look at the damage Hizo did to. Randleman's leg. or. >> that should had a different vein pattern. before he got done with him. >> Randy, it was like six months for him to. recover. >> Two two two fights. >> earlier this year in an MMA fight. >> God damn, man. >> A heavyweight fight. OH JESUS. [groaning]. >> ARE YOU GOING OUT TO EAT LATER, MAN? You're going to make me sick. >> It's a horrible things, man. >> And I know how hard Chris kicks. was like backstage. He was killing. the pads. It was hard to hold them.

>> That's such a great impression. [laughter]. And then he went out there and. Jesus. >> Broen's making me feel bad for being 68. >> Oh yeah, he was [laughter] telling me. >> he's so funny, man. >> And then he was asking about a peptide. I have to text him later. >> He's He's the best. >> He's You two together. I swear to God, it should be a show. [laughter]. >> It should be a show. >> Just follow him around. >> Yeah, just follow you guys around. Follow you to the pizza place. [laughter]. >> Be a great show. It'd be a great. show. It really would. If you.

get one of them Keep it Up with. Kardashians people who know how to do a. reality show, film the two of you guys. together hanging out, drinking coffee, talking training fighters. >> Oh, epic. I mean, >> don't wait too long. He's getting older. >> And [laughter] also, think about how. many guys you've worked with like super. high level guys like Aljo and Morab and. you know, just that being with them and. Weidman being with them at the UFC's. >> Yeah, great show. We have time. >> Who's Who's best to have mics on in the. corner? Those two. Come on. You guys are.

the best. >> It's so funny. >> I like that. comedians are making comedies again. I'm. looking at Har. This is Harland. Williams. Haron Williams. [laughter]. >> He put a gourd in his. >> I love that. I think that I think that. >> with the fake legs so funny. >> His movie, you know, I love movies. His. movie Wingman. >> is is funny. It's funny. It's funny. >> He's funny in everything he does. >> Yeah. It's it's I miss those. >> him and Nasty Nate half. >> you know you know what it is these.

comedians are now funding it themselves. like Theo Vaughn and David Spade did Bus. Boys. >> and. >> Tom Sagur is doing a bunch of. >> Theo Theo and David Spade did one. together. Theo's real life Joe Dirt. So. that's. >> you don't I like that they're just. [clears throat] doing it where they. don't have to get okay by anybody. >> And the other one I keep I always. >> And nobody's telling them what to do. >> How to how to how to be in a. cult. how to start a caught a cult with. uh uh the Greek guy, the heavy Greek. guy. >> Is that Yeah,

>> dude. That's a funny one, dude. That. That one's That one made me. >> is very funny. >> He's from Baltimore and he does a. Baltimore Ravens fan after every win or. loss during the season. Like, you have. to see it cuz it's. hilarious. >> Very funny, dude. >> Yeah, man. >> I like [clears throat] it's a good time. for comedy cuz this is like push back. Yeah. Yeah, >> you know, when there's push back, then. people get excited when someone doesn't. give into it. >> and they make make their own But. if you want to try to make a comedy. movie with a studio, you have to deal. with so many people telling you what you.

can and can't say. You're way better off. just doing it on your own. Like they. don't really know what funny is. They're. trying to protect their job. They have a. Mercedes, >> man. They were cranking them out for a. while there. Like Tallaladega Nights, Tropic Thunder. >> You know what happened? The. internet happened. People started. complaining in real life. Like, you. know, it started these morons online. started affecting the way people view. comedy. >> So ridiculous. >> It's the Meanwhile, it didn't affect the. way we view violence, which is crazy. Like, you could have a super hyper. violent movie and nobody has a problem.

with it, right? >> It's the dumbest of all time, but. if you have some crazy like if you tried. to make a movie like uh. >> like super bad, hilarious. >> to try to make that today. >> Couldn't make it. >> You couldn't make it. Tell or Tropic. Thunder. >> Try to make Tropic Thunder. >> Make it. Robert Downey Jr. straight and. blackface. >> Straight and [laughter] black. >> Ben Stiller full Come on. >> I I asked him. I said, "Do you think. Robert Downey Jr." I said, "Do you think. you can make that movie today?" He goes,

>> "Oh, you could make [laughter]. most of the. >> the8s comedy about. >> guys trying to get laid." I mean, the. premise alone is not going to make it. >> you know what I mean? >> It's funny, man. It's like. >> we allow the most hyperviolent movies. and celebrate them. Oh, this is awesome. Like, I just watched Collateral again. the other day. >> Oh, what a That's an awesome. movie. >> We watched the scene in the in one of. the one of the episodes we did. We. watched that scene where he shoots those. guys in the alley and I got so into it.

I need to watch that movie again. >> Yeah. Sick movie. >> But hyper violent and a movie that. everybody says is a wonderful movie. >> Yeah. Really good. But comedy really. enjoyed it. Let's make you laugh. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> But doesn't it like isn't there like. spoilers like I don't want to spoil it, but like doesn't the other doesn't Jamie. Fox kill him or something at the end? >> Well, isn't that kind of cheesy? >> He dies. >> Well, I mean, he dies somehow, but like. isn't it like kind of unbelievable that. he kills the master assassin, the taxi. driver? >> I think like he wanted to die. I think. when you kill a bunch of people over a. long period of time.

>> Oh, it's one of those. It's deeper than. that. I. >> wait for your turn. >> You know, it's supposed to be Russell. Crow and Adam Sandler in that movie. >> originally. Are you serious? >> That's crazy. Interesting. Yeah, right. That's interesting. >> I'll tell you what, Tom Cruz was good. >> Phenomenal. >> Well, he's pretty much good in. everything, >> dude. They say they used that clip of. him in that alley for training like CIA. >> cuz it was that clean. >> Do you know the [clears throat] scene? >> No. >> Oh, one of my favorite scenes in Jamie, pull it up. >> One of my [laughter] favorite one of my. favorite scenes in any movie.

>> Idiots. >> I love a good tactical draw cuz I love I. love a guy who practices. What's the un. It's underrated. It's a It's a. live, die, repeat. It's. >> Yes. The Tom Cruz one. The. >> call something else, but. >> Edge of Tomorrow. >> What is it? >> Edge of Tomorrow. >> Is that the space? Here it is. >> It kept coming back. Coming back. >> Oh, this is a scene. So Jamie Fox is. strapped to the car. He He's zip tied. them to the steering wheel and took the. keys. >> Wow. >> That's fine. But uh you can't have a.

bunch of guys trying to get laid. [laughter]. >> That's unrealistic. You're sending a bad. message. So. >> spring break so ridiculous. >> I never thought of it that way actually. >> It's ridiculous. >> Like the comedians like rebuttal to it, >> you know, to not being able to make the. movies they want to make. >> Well, it's only empowered the clubs. Like clubs are packed. >> Yeah. >> Everybody wants because you go like you. go to the mothership, you're going to. hear some wild People want to. laugh. They don't. >> Nobody It doesn't mean you mean what. you're saying. Just. >> Right. Right. Right. It's come.

It's a joke. >> Bob Marley didn't really shoot the. sheriff. >> Right. [laughter]. >> Okay. It's like all you're doing is. around. And we all know we've. always been talking Talking. has been a natural part of humans. >> We talk We joke around. And the. idea that that's supposed to be up to. someone's standards or someone else's. parameters of what you can and can't. talk. you. you. Just don't go. Just don't go watch it. >> Tom Brady Roast kind of brought it. brought it back. >> in a big way. Yeah. In a big way. Yeah.

The Tom Brady Roast I think cracked the. egg because that thing got like 55. million views on Netflix alone like. within the first week. >> Joe, can I water please? >> Are people still getting cancelled. though? I think it's kind of. >> I think it doesn't work. >> You can't because everybody could just. people get mad. >> Put your own stuff on. >> You can just do your own stuff. >> What's also when people get cancelled, people just flock to those people now. It like makes them more popular. Yeah. You know, every look at Kanye. Kanye is. selling out the biggest places. in the world doing popup shows. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> he's doing arena popup shows.

>> He did one in Miami a couple weeks ago. My son went to it. >> He's doing one this weekend in San. Antonio. >> Really? >> Just pop-up show. Tony Hinchcliffe just. went to the one in Tampa. He said it was. insane. Yeah. >> This is the greatest show he's ever seen. in his life. >> He's on top of a world. He's like. standing on top of a globe. >> and like it's spinning while he's up. there doing two and a half hours of. bangers. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like you you realize Tony. goes, "You realize how many hits this. guy has?" [snorts]. >> You go to see Kanye mother, >> otherwise known as Yay. >> Yeah, that's right. Yeezy.

>> Yeah. No one wants to do a versus battle. against Kanye. >> He's going to eat you up. >> He's so prolific. >> Yeah. >> It's And like Tony said, every aspect of. the show he produced. So every sound has. a like a purpose. Every lighting effect, it's all coordinated. He said it's. amazing. >> He's like a gen He's a genius. >> Legit. Crazy is a house. rat. >> But that's how you have to feel. He's. out there. I mean, but most creative. people. >> 100%. >> You know, you don't come from a. different. >> You don't get that good. >> by being normal, right?

>> Like he's too good. >> But I mean, >> normal is overrated. >> The guy comes back from wearing a. diamond encrusted swastika. to selling out the biggest arenas in the. world. He has a song called Hy Hitler. A. year later, he's selling out the biggest. arenas [laughter] in the world like. instantaneously. Do you know wild he's. the goat? Like no one's even close. He's. like one of the greatest performers of. all time. >> Yeah. >> Like no one's even close. Like with the. stuff that he does, like you compare it. to his contemporaries, like he's he's.

out on that. >> Yeah. He's Yeah. He's so far ahead of. everybody else. >> Out there. >> Yeah. Prince was like that, too. All the. hits he had and all the hits he's. written for people. when that Freddy Gay. happened in Baltimore, he called. the city and wanted to do like a benefit. concert or whatever and I was able to go. to it and uh at one point on the stage. he's doing all these songs and he goes, "God damn, I forgot all the good I. did." [laughter]. And then he kept going. But the best. story was on soundcheck like he tunes.

everything's got to be the way he wants. it and uh Jay-Z Beyonce and I don't it. was somebody else. I don't know who the. third person was but they were going to. come and be part of it. So they asked. him if he could come. He's like yeah. sure. So when they came they started to. go on stage for soundcheck and a friend. of mine at the building said Prince like. whoa what are you doing up on the. stage? And they're like, "Oh, you know, we want to get our. straight." And he goes, "No, this is my.

>> You want to come and be a part of it? Fine. If not, get the off the. stage." Whoa. >> And they you know, they walked in. and and left and got out of there. But. >> well, you got to be careful with other. stars cuz they do like the metal. >> Yeah. >> I went like this. >> I want the lighting. >> You know, was getting done how he. wanted it done. >> 100%. It has to be. He was too good, though. >> Yeah. He's a genius. I remember. the guitar solo he did at the Rock and. Roll Hall of Fame. Oh my god. He could. do anything. >> Yeah, >> he could play any musical instrument. He.

used to play all the musical. instruments. >> Did you? >> And he could play basketball. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> Did you watch that Michael Jackson? Michael Jackson. >> I saw it. >> Did you watch it? >> I did. Yeah. >> How was it? >> I thought it was good. >> Ray liked it. >> You didn't You didn't see it yet? >> I didn't see it. >> Oh, it's good. No, it's good. >> Set watched it and then he told You know. what he told me? >> Well, I mean, it's a good thing, I. guess. after he seen it, he goes, "He. didn't touch any kids." [laughter]. Oh, tell you right now, he didn't. touch any kids. So, I'm like,

"What long?" That's all. So, I want to. know your thoughts on it. >> That's hilarious. >> No, if cuz like my son was up. >> Yeah, his father's all up. >> No, it's a good movie. And the guy who. played it, his nephew nailed it. >> Yeah, man. >> Nailed my. >> family loved it. My wife, my kids, they. they loved it. >> I didn't see it, though. >> It's a cautionary tale. The Michael. Jackson story is like when kids get that. famous, no one can handle it. That's. what that is. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> There's also the weirdness of the doctor. saying that he was chemically castrated.

>> His doctor, the same guy that killed. him, the same guy that killed him with. the profanol, the guy that put him to. sleep with anesthesia, >> that guy said that when he was young, his father chemically castrated him to. preserve his voice. >> Are you serious? >> Yeah. >> They didn't get into that part. >> Which totally makes sense. When you look. at him in comparison to all the other. guys in his family, he's really thin. Like he has no testosterone. >> Never really thought about. >> All the brothers are all big men. They're men. Like you [clears throat]. look at Germaine. They're big men.

>> He's really thin. And he kept that high. pitch voice. Like when you listen to. some of his like human nature, listen to. human nature. >> Like that voice is insane. >> Yeah. >> We can't play it on the show, but Jamie, play human nature by Michael Jackson. real quick. Why did Why did Varys get. plump on Game of Thrones when they cut. off his balls? [laughter]. >> Well, I don't think that was real. >> I mean, there's also dragons in there. >> You can still get fat, but you can't you. you know, you don't get muscle. Like, you don't have any testosterone. It's.

gone. You're. >> probably burned in that guy either to. keep him thin so he could dance, >> right? >> Oh, man. Well, also he's probably. performing every night, so he's burning. off tons of cow. If they put a. Fitbit on that dude, the amount of steps. that he's taking, >> dude, it's pretty crazy. Like a a front. man for a band, the running. They're doing We're going to play this. song. Human nature. Ooh, the official. music video. >> Oh man, that voice you I don't think you. get that voice from a man. No, but how. do you. >> a regular man that has chemistry.

somebody. >> the same way that they do it with. puberty blockers that they use on kids. >> pills and stuff like that? >> No, like when you're when they do. puberty blockers, that's what puberty. blockers do. Yeah. >> What they're doing is they're just. blocking all of your testosterone. production. >> And so they used to do it to criminals. So if they had a sex offender that was. uh they would castrate them. >> I'm all for that. >> Yeah. >> Chop their dicks off. >> Just eliminate We just eliminate them. They they should be eliminated. But the.

the chemically castration thing they. used to do with opera singers. They. called them castrados and but not. chemically castrated. They used to use a. knife. They used to chop their balls off. when they were young. >> so. So that they could sing like like a. woman. It was a very haunting. Like. there's only one recording of a castrad. That's from like Jimmy, what was it. from? Like the 1800s. >> Really? >> There's one recording of a guy singing. that that had no balls. Oh. And then. they do it to them when they're really. young. They do it to them when they're. kids.

>> No kidding. >> Yeah. Like your family sells you off to. some opera and they slice your balls off. and keep you that way forever, >> man. >> Crazy. >> Damn. [clears throat]. >> Yeah. And the sound. See, find the. Castrad recording. The sound is. haunting, man. You hear the guy singing. and he creeps you out. You're like, "Oh. my god, this guy was a little boy and. they cut his balls off so he could sing. like this.". >> Oh, that's so. >> Yeah. And I think that's what they did. to Michael Jackson. >> Well, at least that's what the doctor. says. It makes sense to me.

>> I mean, it makes sense. Like even. watching the movie, how hard his father. was on him and how much he demanded of. him. >> Oh, man. You're going to creep us out. now. >> Listen to this guy's voice. Okay. >> Oh, Jesus Christ. >> That's depressing. >> But we know that that was an actual. process. That was an actual practice. that really did chop boys balls off so. they could sing better. went from happy. human nature to sound [laughter] like. some fun. He was dying. >> I know. It's really nuts if you think. about the horrible things that people. are willing to do. >> This is not disproving it or anything.

This just a guy saying he went to search. where they were doing it. I think he. said he was having very trouble a lot of. trouble finding a lot of information. >> about cast. >> Yeah. And where they did it or how they. did it. >> I bet they hide that. [laughter]. >> I was chopping nuts off. Oh yeah. Let me. take you to the lab. We'll show you what we do with the. balls. >> Are you doing those peptides? Many Unix. were castrated after puberty and thus. castration had no effect on their. voices. Oh, that's a unic though.

>> Well, that's just puberty. >> after puberty then. Yeah, it wouldn't. >> So, you got to catch them young. >> Yeah, right. You got to catch them. before they they grow their nuts. That's. so horrible. >> It says it goes back to 400 AD. But. >> boy, Constantinople. Boy, who who's who came up with that. idea? >> I have an idea, [laughter]. right? >> I mean, how many of them died from. infection from getting their nuts. chopped off, you know?

>> Probably a lot. Back then, they didn't. even know what cooties were. They had no idea. >> Yeah. They didn't clean the kn. Yeah. >> No. Disgusting. >> It started off with a as a punishment. It wasn't a choice. >> And then they realized these guys sing. really nice in prison. [laughter]. It's kind of cool. >> They sing in the shower. I really like. it. [laughter]. >> Mine. >> Gentlemen, this was a lot of fun. >> We always have such a good time. >> Hell yeah. >> Matt, how you how you feeling?

>> What are you talking? Why me? [laughter]. >> Why out of everybody? >> 100 milligrams. >> Hey, >> you're right. Handle like a boss. >> You like a boss. >> Your eyes are a little thin. I was going. to say some Italian looks a little Asian. right now. [laughter] My Italian pa. >> guys, >> you handled it. >> I had a great time. >> It's always fun. Let's go eat. >> Let's go eat. >> And is it Italian? >> Uh, we'll we can go whatever. >> But what did you did you want to do with. that? >> Well, let's let's cut this off. Figure.

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