JRE MMA Show #174 with Terence Crawford

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> All right. Champ is here. >> Last time I saw you, I think it was. before the Maderov fight, wasn't it? >> Wasn't it before that fight? It was. before that fight. >> And that was just around the time you. were talking about fighting Canelo. And. everybody was like, "That's crazy. He's. going to go up all the way to 168. Two.

more weight classes above that. That's. nuts. Everybody's got to shut the [ __ ] up now. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You know what I say? Skills pay the. bills. >> They do. They do. Skills are everything, man. Uh but the thing is, it's like, it's interesting. I watched both the. Canawa fight and the Madrimov fight. again recently, and Majimov looked. bigger. >> Mhm. >> He looked bigger than Canelo. It was. really interesting. >> He was a big dude. >> He's a big dude. I wonder what that guy. walks around at. >> cuz it's not 154.

>> No, not at all. He fought at 160 his. last fight, >> did he? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Really an outstanding performance. against Canelo. It was uh like I was. saying telling you before, it was a. great I told you so fight for me cuz uh. there were so many of my friends that. are big boxing fans that just thought. Canelo was too big. They thought was too. much of a jump. He's too experienced. >> But you got it. I mean, you made it look. I want to say easy. It wasn't that it. was easy, but it was definitive. You.

know, it was it was such a clear. victory. It was so It was at one point. when you were pity patting him and then. firing off hard shots, I was like, "Oh. my goodness, he's feeling it.". >> Yeah. I was I was in my element. I was. in the zone. Mainly because a lot of people was. doubting me as well, you know, telling. me I was going to get knocked out. I was. too small and I was just fighting for. the money when I knew what I was capable. of. So, I was just like, I'm I'm going.

to show y'all what I'm really about. because this is not the first time that. I didn't heard that, oh, he can't do. this, he can't do that. >> I think your situation is very similar. to when Roy Jones was in his prime. because when Roy Jones was in his prime, everybody was saying Roy Jones, other. than James Tony, Roy Jones really hadn't. fought anybody. am I? And I was like, "No, he's just that much better than. everybody else. It makes it look like. they're not good." If you saw them fight. against everybody else, you would say,

"These guys are awesome.". >> For sure. For sure. And I I've been. dealing with that my whole career. You. know, people getting. so much praise after fighting a guy that. I already knocked out. You know, if they. beat him, oh, such and such beat this. guy. But me, it's, oh, you're fighting. tomato cans or you fighting bombs and. things [snorts] like that. So, it's just. like, >> it was just because you're doing it so. well. That's what it is. It's just. people, they they try to find flaws in.

every great performance. And the flaws, the only flaws they could find is Yeah. But who are these guys that he beat? >> Mhm. >> But you beat great guys, >> champions. >> Yeah. I mean, listen, >> one of the more interesting fights to me. was a Benvitz fight. I I rewatched that. again recently too especially that. >> because there's so much tension. Yeah. >> There's so much [ __ ] talking and tension. and so many emotions. >> and he can fight. >> He can fight. >> You know a lot of people they looking at.

his injury and he fought no different. from. before or after the injury. He fought. the same, you know. So that's another. thing that they going to say, oh well he. had got shot in the leg and if he didn't. then this would have happened or that. would have happened and I'm like he. fought the same. Like if you know boxing. and you see him box nothing changed from. his boxing standpoint. He wasn't a.

mover. He wasn't this guy that used his. legs uh as a defense or offense. So, I. just take it as a grain of salt and. laugh at. >> him. I'm sure that injury sucked, but he. he fought the same and he fought well. I. mean, he's a [clears throat] tough guy. He he fought really well. >> Took me 12 rounds. >> Yeah. Listen, and but that right. uppercut in that 12th round that put him. down. I was like, "Oh my goodness." I I. remember watching that fight live. I was. like, "Oh, there it is. >> There it is. You found him.".

>> Yeah. He he had good head movement, you. know, >> tough guy. He he was he was ducking them. hooks and them [clears throat] straight. straight punches. So I was just like, "All right, I got to switch it up.". >> Well, also he believed in himself. >> for sure. Definitely. >> I mean, he came into that fight to win. >> Oh, definitely. Most definitely. Most. definitely. >> It's uh it's beautiful to watch you get. what you deserve because I felt like, man, if you retired after this fight, I. don't think people that are casuals.

would really appreciate your skill set. Yeah. Yeah, you know, the people inside. boxing, the re the the people that. really know boxing did, but I felt like. too many of the casuals just talk so. much [ __ ] and so the the Canelo fight. was the cherry on top of the Sunday. >> Yeah, it was. And even now, a lot of. people saying, "Oh, well, Canelo's. washed. He's old." And I'm like, "Well, I'm older than him. [laughter] Like, what are we talking about?" You know? So, I just I just love it, you know,

because it just shows what level I'm on, you know, for everybody to already know. what's what what happened and then they. try to take what happened and make it a. reason why it happened, >> right? >> So, I just be like, man, it's cool. >> That's boxing, though, right? That's. sports in general. You're always going. to have that. There's always going to be. a bunch of sideline people that talk a. lot of [ __ ] But, you know, for a lot of. fighters, it's later in their career, especially when they're avoided or they.

have difficult difficulty signing big. fights. It's later in their career that. people really appreciate them. Like, think about Bernard. It wasn't until. Bernard Hopkins beat Felix Trinidad that. people are like, "Oh shit.". >> Like, I think he was like 37 or 36 when. he fought Trinidad. And a lot of people. were saying he's washed up. it's over. And when he knocked out. Trinidad, everybody was like, "Oh, okay.". >> Yeah. Yeah. I've been calling out. everybody since the beginning,

>> you know. Um, they created a whole side. of the street because of me, you know, and I'm with a different promoter. It. was always something, you know, and. everybody always blamed me. But now look. at everybody now. All the promoters. working together now. Why couldn't they. work together when it was my turn to. shine? But it is what it is and life. happened and I'm happy the way it. happened because I did it my way and I. don't think too many other fighters can. say that. That's true. Yeah, it's uh.

it's a dirty business. You know, the. business of promoters and keeping guys. away from guys and making sure that. their fighter, you know, avoid certain. fighters. It's it's always been that. way, you know, and it's unfortunate for. the fans because there's so many like. the big one for a long time was uh David. Benvdz and Canelo. >> Like everybody wants to see that fight. and they just can't figure out a way to. make it happen. And you you got to think. someone's avoiding somebody and it's not.

Benvdz. >> No, not not not at all. You know, I just. think. Canelo. in a sense he know how big Benvda is. gonna come in the ring. You know, Benvitz is a great fighter, you know, but he's a big fighter. He's a tall. fighter, you know, and I just think. Canelo knows like why would I want to. get in the ring with this guy that's. going to be massive come fight time? And.

I'm not that big of a guy at all. I've. been doing all this with my skills. because because Canelo's not a big guy. He's been fighting big guys his whole. career. >> Yeah. >> You know, and beating them with skill, >> you know, so you got to tip your hat off. to Canelo and what he's accomplished. >> Absolutely. >> Being 5'7 going up to 175 and fighting. these big guys and and actually winning. and. >> knocked out Kovalev. Yeah. I mean, it.

was Kovalev later in his career, but. he's still Kovalev. >> for sure. >> And then having the courage to fight. Bivval in his prime. >> for sure. >> I think that's the fight that probably. kept us from getting the Benvitz fight, the Bivval fight, cuz I think after that. fight, he's like, "Okay, >> yeah, this dude big. >> This is a little big. >> cuz Bal, not just big, but he's got that. Russian style. Light on the feet, in and. out, in and out, in and out. That's a. difficult style to handle, >> you know, and the like the only guy to.

be better beef. >> was another beast. >> Yep. So, I think, you know, him knowing. that and then I think the disrespect. that he got from Benvdz had persuade him. to go elsewhere. But, you know, there's been many boxers. from the past that didn't fight people. that they wanted to fight, >> right? >> You know, look at. Sugar Ray Leonard and uh Aaron Prior,

they never got that fight. >> Mhm. >> So, and that's just one. So, um it's. going to be like that. Well, it always. seems at the end that it all worked out. the way it was supposed to, you know, and that's how it felt like for me after. your Canelo victory. Like this is this. is like, you know, all the [ __ ]. It's like now everybody has to shut the. [ __ ] up. It's like all the bullshit's. gone. It's like now everybody's got to. give you your just do because that was a.

stellar championship performance. I. mean, that was one of the all-time great. performances because it was a Canelo. that's, you know, you could say whatever. you want. I think he's still in his. prime. And you just outboxed him. And. you outboxed him. I mean, think about. it. 40 to 47, 54, all the way up to 68. And you out. That's right. 35 first, right? That's right. That's crazy. >> That's crazy. Going up from 35 to 68.

>> Yeah. >> And outboxing the champ. And the way you. did it, too. It was so skillful. It was. so beautiful to watch, man. When you're. if you're a fan of skillful, intelligent. boxing, that was such a good fight to. watch cuz, you know, Canelo is a. dangerous guy. He's a heavy puncher and. he he puts a lot of power into his. punches. He's he's kind of changed over. the years and really relied more on his. power. But man, he knows how to land it. And when he lands it, he puts people in. a lot of trouble. And he just there was.

there was this one move that you were. doing where you were throwing a left. hand and then a quick hook behind it. before you even brought the hand back. So he was going a counter and you were. throwing a quick hook. >> I was like, "Oh, that is so pretty. That. is so catching the counter.". >> You know, Canelo is a great counter. puncher, >> you know, so you got to beat him to it. You got to counter to counter at times. >> Did that fight play out the way you. thought it was going to play out? Yeah, most definitely. >> Exactly the way I thought. >> Most definitely. We knew what we was up.

against, you know, um when I went to his. fight against Berlingga and against um. the guy that's on his team. I forgot his. name. Mongia. Mongia. When I was with Turkey, I said Turkey. He can't beat me. just watching him from. 135. to now like live. I'm looking at him, I'm just like, I can beat this dude.

Like my confidence is getting more and. more and more. And his last fight in. Saudi Arabia, I was like, "Yeah, he can't fight like that against. me." Which he didn't, which he. definitely rose his game. But I just. believed in myself that much that. nothing was going to stop me from. getting that victory that night. >> The fight in Saudi Arabia, he looked. like under motivated. Yeah. >> It wasn't a big enough challenge for. him. He didn't look like he was in the.

same kind of shape physically. Like when. you look at him, [snorts]. >> he wasn't, you know, and that and it. happens, you know. That's why I always. train like this is the toughest fight of. my career because it is. every fight is. and you never know what to expect with. those type of fighters that nobody know. about. >> right right. >> them be the the ones that sneak up on. you and you know you got to be ready for. him but he didn't come to fight he moved.

the whole fight and you know Canelo was. frustrated he was just like a man this. dude didn't come to do anything. >> right he came to survive. >> yeah so I can see where he was. frustrated at. >> yeah Well, he probably thought he didn't. belong in there with Canelo either, right? You know, so he probably said, "Listen, if I just keep moving, I can. get out of here with my dignity intact. and just never get hit real good.". >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's uh it's fascinating now.

because before that fight, you were. looked at as one of the best boxers. today. Now, you're looked at as one of. the best fighters ever. And uh it's. interesting how that changes how people. now look at your body and then they look. at Errol Spence before you fought him. and go. >> Errol Spence can fight, man. He's a. really good fighter and a lot of people. discredited your victory over him. because of that car accident that he had. and maybe he wasn't as good as we. thought and but now with the Canelo.

victory you you're in this. rare air of you know mentioned as one of. the greatest of all time. >> Yeah. You know, there's a handful of. guys there is no, it's very difficult to. say the greatest of all time because. people want to go all the way back to. Sugar Ray Robinson. They, you know, they. throw Floyd in the mix, prime time, Roy. Jones. There's all these different. fighters they put as the greatest of all. time. But you are now in that. conversation. >> That's got to be nice. It's beautiful,

you know, especially all the hard work. that I didn't put in to be here at that. pinnacle of the sport. You know, since I. was 7 years old, I've been boxing. I've. been fighting. I've been a fighter since. day one. So when people compare me to. like Sugar Ray Robinson and Floyd. Mayweather and Sugar Ray Leonard. comparing me to who will win, who will. win, that just let me know that I did my.

job well in the sport. >> Oh, you absolutely did now. You. definitely done done, >> man. It's over with. >> It's definitely over. >> Yeah. I don't got. So I told I told a. couple of my close friends, I said, "Okay, since 2014, I've been fighting. for something, a title. I won my first. title in 2014. March of 2014. Ever since. then, I've been fighting for titles. Undisputed. Titles. Undisputed. Undisputed titles.

Undisputed. like just everything that. I've been fighting for now and I just. come back and it's just like all right. what what's the motivation just money. you know like all right so what what is. on top of that you know because my my. thing was the money going to come know I. was taking pay cuts after pay cuts after. pay cuts because I knew what I wanted my. legacy to be when I finished boxing.

I wanted to. remembered as one of the greatest. champions of all time, you know, and I. think I I did that, you know. So now. it's like this last fight that I had, the height of it, there's no better. finish than that to me. >> Yeah. what what was on the line coming. from where I came from, all the odds. that was stacked against me, all the. things that I had to go through and camp.

and camp to get to that fight, you know, it was just like, man, you did. everything right. So, what what can top. that? >> I love that. I love when fighters go out. on top like that. And for for a fighter. to go out like you have with all your. championship experience, all the weight. classes you competed in undefeated and. beat Canelo, another all-time great. I. mean, that is that is a perfect finale. >> Yeah. >> For a spectacular career. It's pretty.

dope. >> for sure. >> And go out with your faculties intact, your health intact, plenty of money. It's nice. is is is beautiful because. nobody knows what us fighters adore to. get to the point to entertain. the fans. [snorts]. You know, we go through a lot. You know, we put our body through a lot and then. when it's all said and done, when our. body broke down to the point where we. can't take care of oursel,

>> they don't care about us. They going to. say, "Oh, well, he was once a good. champion." And. >> we go to the fights, you see a lot of. old fighters showing up to the fights. and people just walk past them. >> Yeah. >> You know, they on to the next. Oh, let's. see the young fighter, you know, and. it's like they use you up till you have. nothing left, then they forget about. you. >> Yeah. You know, so it's it's very. critical for these fighters to think. about their health first because.

once it's once it's over with, it's over. with. And you can't you can't get your. health back, >> right? >> You can always get money elsewhere, >> but once you can't your mind is messed. up. >> Yeah. >> It's over with. >> That's such a good lesson for young. fighters to see, too. to see a guy like. yourself be fully dedicated, so. disciplined, get through the whole. thing, get out on top and done. >> Yeah. >> And so many fighters have said that and.

then a couple years go by, their. identity is wrapped up in fighting. They. go, "Man, I think I got one more in me.". And then, you know, maybe they're buying. a lot of [ __ ]. >> That's the real problem. >> Yeah. It's always going to be that, you know, I got I got another one in me. I got. another one in me because they missed. that that high of all the fans chanting. their name and everybody, you know, cameras, lights, and you know, they they.

miss it, you know. But I was always that. type of person. I didn't care about all. that. I y'all can have the lights. just. just pay me and I go under the rock. somewhere, you know, take care of my. family, you know. I never was a guy that. wanted to be all up in the media and. wanted to be the center attention. >> How come? >> Cuz that's just me. I already knew what. I was doing it for. I never was doing it. to be famous. You know, I don't walk. around with a whole entourage to get.

noticed. You know, I be under the radar. >> I do like that you show up by yourself. But one time you showed up at one of the. UFC's and someone said you were Kendrick. Lamar and they put it on the [ __ ]. screen. >> and I didn't catch it because I was. doing the broadcast but I was like are. you guys out of your [ __ ] You don't. know who Terrence Crawford is and you're. in combat sports. This is crazy. >> I think they did that on purpose. >> No. No way. [laughter]. No way. Why would No. No. No. No. No. It. was just some [ __ ] in the truck.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. No. 100% they did not do that on. purpose. No one in the UFC would ever. disrespect you like that. No one would. disrespect you like that. No chance. >> Yeah. I was sitting next to to everybody. and I was like, "Did they really just do. that?". >> No, they they did not do that on. purpose. That was just some dumbass that. thought that you were Kendrick Lamar for. some reason. >> Yeah. >> It was so stupid. And then I think they. corrected it later in the broadcast. >> I don't know who it was, right? >> I didn't want to know. I'd yell at him.

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apply. See app for details. But that's. you roll very low-key like you don't. show up with an entourage, you know, a. lot of times you're just by yourself. >> Yeah. >> You know, and that's unusual for a guy. who's achieved as much as you've. achieved. >> Yeah. People be so like surprised that, >> you know, they'll see me in the airport, they'd be like, "You by yourself?". [laughter] Yeah. Like, >> man, this is crazy. I would always. imagine you with security guards, big.

entourage. I'm like, "No, man. That's. just a bill. >> Yeah. >> You know, you got to pay all them people. to be around you. >> That's true, too. >> I chilling. >> Yeah. I mean, every time you showed up. at the studio, you showed up by. yourself. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, >> it's uh that's another good example for. young fighters to realize like at the. end of the day, what are you really. doing it for? All that other [ __ ]. all the attention and stuff, that's it's. very temporary. It's very fleeting. It. goes away. Legacy. legacy and the glory.

of your accomplishments that stays. forever. And the respect of people in. boxing that really know. >> Yeah, for sure. >> Yeah, that's what's that's what it's all. about. And you've got that. >> Now everybody has to shut the [ __ ] up. >> Yeah, they do. >> Everybody has to shut the [ __ ] up. Even. the people that said that, oh, Canelo's. stop. You were the same people saying. Canelo was gonna stop him. >> The same people that saying Errol Spence. was gonna stop me. Same people that. saying Majimoff was gonna stop me and so. forth. So,

it just got to the point where they just. they can't they got to accept it now. It's like, man, I've been hating on this. dude for so long, you know, and he's. just been proving me wrong time after. time. It's like, let me just give him. his flowers. Forget it. >> You know, >> that's beautiful. And for young. fighters, it's it's such a good thing to. watch. It's so good for young fighters. to have an inspirational figure, to have. someone who really does it and does it. perfectly and does it in a way that is.

very unusual because like you're one of. the best switch hitters since Marvin. Haggler, if not the best, >> you know, and like that. >> God, that is such an underrated skill. It was so funny. One of the times you. were in here, you were telling me that. his coach, your coach told you to stop. doing that. [laughter]. >> Yeah. And he was like, "You need to focus on. fighting orthodox the right way instead. of switching to southpaw." I was just. like, "All right, switch southpaw. again." Then it was just like, he was. like, "All right, well, you going to do. that? We going to train like that." I.

was like, "All right, let's train like. it." Cuz I'm going to keep switching cuz. it just came so natural. Yeah. >> I'll be in there. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then they'll just I just. switch like unthink. >> Yes. >> Then you know it was just I win and I. win. He was all right. We going to fight. like we're going to train like that. >> Well, it's such an underrated aspect of. boxing if you can do it because you have. to recalibrate where everything is. coming from every time you switch, >> different angles, all that. >> In MMA, it's become commonplace. In the.

beginning of MMA, it was a lot of people. would stand one way or the other. And. now a large percentage of these young. guys coming up are constantly switching. because it hides combinations. It hides. different techniques. There's so many. different things you could do in MMA off. of SW because you're switching and. kicking. You're switching and punching. You're kicking and then now you're in. southpaw and you're throwing left hands. instead of right hands. It's like things. are come. There's so much overload of. the mind where you have to calculate all. these different things. And if you don't. spar on a regular basis with a very.

crafty guy who switches a lot, it could. [ __ ] you up inside the cage. >> Yeah. Because some people they have. better chances on one side than the. other, >> you know, and then when you switch on. them, it's just like, oh, I hate. fighting southpaws, >> right? >> You know, and it just do something to. their brain, you know, because. >> they might be slower moving one way than. the other way. Well, everything looks so. weird. >> when all of a sudden the jab's on the. right side and the left and then your.

your brain has to like. >> got to worry about the hook now instead. of the straight. >> Everything's different. Yeah, it's just. I mean I wonder how many young fighters. are going to see your example and start. training that very early in their career. now because I think it's. >> the the conventional wisdom was that you. have one stance whether it's southpaw or. orthodox stick with that there's a few. outliers like Haggler but for the most. part stick with that but I don't think. that's the way to go. I think.

>> I mean I think great fighters have. stayed in one stance. >> but I think the way to go is having the. ability to switch up. >> Yeah. It's always you know beneficial. if you can have it and not need it then. to need it and ain't got it. >> Yes. >> You know like okay [snorts] it's cool. that I don't need it for this fight but. I got it in my bag just in case I have. it. >> Yes. >> You know and that's that's like me. I. got it all. >> Yeah. Do you think you're gonna train. people when you're done? [panting].

>> I'll be training a little bit. I'll be. helping out at the gym, but. >> my patience ain't there yet. >> Like I get frustrated. And I have to. remember like my coach Bo say, everybody's not you, bud. >> You know, everybody don't adapt like. you. Everybody not as athletic like you. you know, so you can't be frustrated if. they not getting something. >> right. >> like as fast as you getting it. You've. been doing this since you was seven.

Some of these kid that started when they. was teenagers, you know, so you got to. give them grace, you know, and take your. time with them and some of them, you. know, they flatfooted and you just got. to train them into their style. Everybody not going to have your style. So when he explained that to me, I was. just like, "Yeah, you're right." You. know, let me back up a little bit and. just tell him what I see. >> Yeah. >> You know, more so than trying to coach. him into being this fighter that I want.

them to be. >> Being a version of you. >> Yeah. That's got to be difficult, right? Because everybody does have a different. style. >> Yeah. >> And you know, you're you're never going. to convince some fighters to fight your. way. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. But the wisdom that you can bestow. on young fighters, it's like there's a. lot of great fighters like, you know, Freddy Roach that had some boxing. matches but was never like an elite. boxer but still was a great coach and. >> but to have an elite fighter to be a.

coach. It's like there's an element of. that. First of all, you is it there's an. element from the young guy coming up. like you want to impress. >> You got Terrence Crawford in your. corner. You want to impress him. Buddy. Mcgherk did a fantastic job and he. became a great trainer. There's a bunch. of fighters that have done it, but it's. like I always wonder because I feel like. there's so much you have to offer to. these young. There's so much small. minutia, intimate details of what you're.

thinking and what's going on that would. completely change the way a young. fighter sees certain exchanges. >> Yeah, for sure. And I try to help them. on that aspect when they in the ring or. when they on the bag or when they. hitting the mids. Shadow boxing, just. little details, you know. I come in the. gym and you see the little kids, they. see me and they look look to the corner. and they hit the back. >> Yeah, they get fired up. >> You can see they trying to get my. attention. I come over there then give.

them some little wisdom, you [snorts]. know, and they appreciative. But it's. good that they see me in the gym all the. time. >> You know, my my son wrestling next door. and they over here boxing and I'm both. one side and the other side. So. >> your your son just won a wrestling. title. >> Yeah, he just won state as a freshman. >> That's incredible. >> Yeah, >> that's incredible. That's so amazing. Does What does he want to do? >> He want to go D1. He want to. >> Yeah. >> He He told me that.

>> Saturday after the tournament, we on our. way to the Ryan Garcia fight. He said, "Dad, I want to go to the Olympics.". >> Wow. >> I said, "You want to?" Said, "What kind. of mind state is that?" I said, "You. going to go?" I said, "You got to have. it in your mind you going." You can't. say you want to go. You got to say, "I'm. going to the Olympics." That way, you. know, you already programming it, you. know, for the future. How did you learn that mentality, >> man? Been doubted my whole life, you.

know? Being doubted my whole life. And. my coach, Mitch Miner, used to always. say, "Lahy dy, we fight anybody. They. ain't fought you yet, you know." And I. just carried that on my shoulders. Like, anybody you put in front of me, they. ain't fought me yet. So, you can't tell. me they can beat me until they beat me. So just like my son like hey you got to. have that confidence that whatever you. say you want to do you gonna go out and. do it but you got to put the work in. first.

>> So in that sense doubters give you fuel. >> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. >> There a lot of people like that. A lot. of people like that. They live off the. haters. >> Yeah. [laughter] Oh yeah. They they fuel. me up. And then especially when a it's. crazy [snorts] because like Mimoff and. Canelo they were so respectful you know. and I respect them you know I've been a. fan of Majimoff you know uh coming from. Usbekistan and learning about about him. and hearing about him and I always been.

a fan of Canelo like since [snorts]. I can remember you know so I didn't have. that like killer like my like heart in. my heart like I wanted to beat him but. like my other fights I was like man I. want to knock this dude out. >> like Benvitz. >> yeah I wanted to knock him out like so. like even in training like I didn't have. that rage like this dude talking [ __ ]. like he he never they never got under my. skin it was like all respectful so it.

was like all right I want to whoop they. ass but I didn't want to like inflict. like pain like I want to like knock him. out. There was one fighter you fought at. 140. His name is escaping me, but you. you stopped him in the Yes. >> Yeah. I wanted to knock him. >> Oh boy. >> Yeah. And I was so mad like when you. when you watch that [snorts] fight, you. know, I missed like when they stopped. it, I missed like two crazy hooks and I. just was like, man, why couldn't I land. him? Like he would have went to sleep. Like [laughter].

>> you would just stop it. >> Yeah. I want I want them I want to put. him [snorts] to sleep. But, you know, it's it's a sport and it is what it is. And I'm happy that we all could go home. to our family and talk about it, you. know, years down the line. >> Yeah. >> Well, that is the danger of the sport. That's why it's so different than every. other sport. It's like you you're. legitimately putting your life on the. line. >> Yeah. And a lot of people don't. understand that until something. happened, >> right? >> You know, us boxers, a lot of boxers.

have died in that ring. A lot of boxer. have went in a ring one way and left it. a different way. >> Yes. >> You know, so when a lot of fans, they. criticize boxers for doing what the. sport is for and that's boxing. You know, us boxers, like you not. [clears throat] even here getting your. brains beat out. So what you consider.

boring, we consider us doing what the sport is. meant. >> to do is box, >> right? >> You know, and. I think a lot of fans. don't give a lot of fighters. They just. do for boxing, you know, like Floyd, like Shakur, you know, when they pure. boxers. >> Yes. >> You know, they want to see people. bleeding, battered, knocked out, you.

know, but they not thinking about the. aftermath and the after effects of them. fighters going to the hospital, blood on. the brains, uh, pissing blood and things like that. Like your body is not meant to be beat. on like that, >> right? >> You know, so. >> they just looking at, oh, well, I paid. this money, y'all going to go in there. and kill each other, >> you know? And I think that's wrong. >> Yeah. Well, you're always going to have. morons in this world. >> You're always going to have casuals. You're always going to have people that.

don't appreciate what they're saying. >> But like when I see a performance like. Shakur versus Tapimo that last fight, >> like that was art. That was art. That. sneaky jab where it was like half speed. and then popping him with the jab. And. you could see Lopez just couldn't get. out of the way of it. He didn't know. what to do. >> It was beautiful. It was barely got hit. Yeah. >> It was beautiful. and and things like that. You know, you. see two high caliber fighters, but you.

just see one just on a different level. because of his. >> boxing IQ, >> you know, not because Tio Fimo didn't. belong in the ring with him. It's just. that Shakur IQ and his boxing ability is. up here. >> Yes. you know, he didn't have to sit in. front of him and trade shots and give. Tofimo the opportunity to land a good. shot and change the the the outcome of. the fight. One shot, I don't care who.

you is, in a good in the right spot at. the right moment, anybody can get. knocked out. >> without a doubt. Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, the human brain is not designed. to get punched, >> right? It's just not designed that way, especially big punchers. And when you. see a guy like Tapimo, Topfimo can. crack. He's a big dude and he's a world. champion. And it was one of the most. lopsided performances ever. Or you see. one world champion challenging another. world champion. >> for sure. >> I mean, it was it was art to me. I was.

every moment of that fight, like up. until the 12th round, I was just like. there was multiple times I WAS LIKE, "OH, oh my good." It was just beautiful. It. was just I love watching a guy at the. pinnacle, you know, watching a guy where. everybody else has got to go, "Wow, I. didn't think it was going to go like. this." Cuz, you know, TFO is a super. aggressive guy. Beat Lomachenko. He's. got a nasty jab, throws big power in his. punches. He's tough as hell. You know, a.

lot of people are like, "This is going. to be a tough fight." And Shakur just. and he didn't run. He stood right in. front of him. That's the other thing. He. wasn't getting hit and he was right in. front of him. I mean, that was art. That. was art. That's boxing at the highest. level. And um I'm fascinated because now. they're talking about him and Ryan. Garcia. I am fascinated to watch that. fight cuz that's a Shakur is a different. animal. Ryan looked amazing in that. fight. I mean, he looked amazing. I.

mean, he looked so fast and it was. beautiful fight to watch. But, uh, that's an interesting fight. I like that. fight. Shakur and him. I like that fight. a lot because Shakur is just a different. animal. That's that's you're dealing. with a whole different kind of skill. set. >> Yeah, Shakur. Listen, [snorts] I went. down to camp before he fought TFimo and. I seen his focus and the level of, you. know, intense training he was doing. And.

I said, "I don't know it all, but I know. Shakur gonna whoop TFimo's ass." I. tweeted that way before the fight, you. know, and he went out there and did it. Ryan looked spectacular in this fight. for what it was. I don't think Barios. came to fight, you know. Ryan was boxing. great. You know, the jab was working, the overhand right was working, and he.

he looks out. at me at the end and said, "You see my. jab?" I said, "Man, it was working. That jab was beautiful." Because we. don't we're not used to seeing Ryan jab, >> right? >> You know, or or boxing for that matter, >> you know. He was he was boxing. beautiful, you know, and I commend him. on that. Like he. >> he aced it, you know. But when it come. to Shakur, >> Shakur is not a barios, >> you know. Shakur got a jab. Shakur got.

head movement. Shakur got defense. Shakur knows range. Shakur have good. legs. So. I look at that fight like it's not going. to be as. a competitive fight like everybody think. because if Ryan get careless, he's going. to get countered all day. >> If he gets careless, I don't I think. he'll fight very different than he. fought with Barios. I think. >> Barios just couldn't keep up with the.

speed. I mean, Ryan's speed is. extraordinary. He He relies on it a lot. But I mean, that's not a knock. That's. just like if you had it, you everybody. should rely on that. Man, that's nuts. >> Of course, a different animal. >> That's [laughter] what I'm saying. >> It's a different Well, a lot of people. thought Devin Haney was different. though, right? A lot of people thought. Devin Haney was going to give him real. problems. When he dropped Devin early. with a left hook, everybody was like, "Oh, this is different." I wish he. didn't have a positive drug test in that. fight cuz that [ __ ] tainted.

everything. >> They know they know each other far too. well. I think him and Devin fought each. other the most out of all of them. You. know, Shakur and Ryan fought as well, which Shakur won all the times that they. fought. But I just think, you know, him. and Devin, the the history of it, Devin came in. there. overconfident,

>> Ryan, >> you know, being juiced up, you know, added a little whatever it did. But, you. know, you can't take away from him. landing the punches that he was landing. You can't take away from the performance. that you know. he was he was doing. But. when you when you on steroids that ad. you know. >> it definitely adds something. What was. he what did he get popped for? Do you. remember? >> I don't even know. I just. >> Jamie find out what he got popped for.

It was a very low level of whatever he. got popped for. >> And a lot of people say oh the levels it. doesn't it wouldn't even matter. It's. such a small level. H the problem is. there's a lot of ways you can mask the. [clears throat] amount of steroids you. have in your system and that's one of. the reasons why the UFC banned IVs. because uh you can flush your body out. if you super hydrate with IVs espec I. don't know what what you're supposed to. put in the IV but there's some nutrients.

that you can put in IVs that will mask. any traces of performance-enhancing. drugs which is why at UFC you have to. hydrate this is drugfree court's policy. and USADA's policy, you have to hydrate. only with drinking liquids. You can't. hydrate with an IV. And when you use an. IV, which I don't was uh were they. allowed to use IVs to rehydrate? >> I don't know. >> When you use IVs to rehydrate, you can. mask a lot of [ __ ] So, if he did use an. IV to rehydrate and he only showed a. trace amount, that's still.

>> that What did he What did he test. positive for? >> Lost. Which Who I missed which fighter. you're talking Ryan Garcia. >> Oh, that's right. >> Ryan Garcia when he fought Devin Haney, >> the fight got overturned, right? It was. a no contest, which is very unfortunate. because it was a clear victory. One of. his best victories ever. Dropped Deon, had him in trouble a bunch of times. Dropped him how many times? >> A few. >> Yeah, few times. >> He looked [ __ ] great in that fight. >> Yeah, he did. >> And I think uh unfortunately, you know,

that positive drug test just. >> ostine. Yeah. >> Okay. I think I think you know. both of those fights is great fights for. Ryan. Ryan's in a great position right. now. >> Oh yeah. >> You know he he he got the role. >> unification fight. >> You know he lost he lost to Roelly. He. got that fight that he can. >> you know try to avenge in a unification. fight. >> Roelly looked great in that fight.

>> He got Devin. >> Yeah. >> in a unification fight. Um he got Shakur. >> Mhm. in a a spectacular fa fight. So. Ryan's in a great position right now. >> If Javvante comes back, he's got that. rematch. >> I think Javvante is going to fight him. without having those type of claws. >> The rehydration clause. >> Yeah. Bring him down and you got to do. this and you got to do that. So. >> that's crazy. Those those clauses are. crazy. You can't weigh more than X to. the [ __ ] off with that.

>> That's like with me and Canelo. I'm. like, man, listen. I'm challenging you. >> Yeah. You can weigh whatever you want. I. don't want no excuses, you know. I Hey, it is what it is. When I All you got to. do is weigh 168. >> Yeah. >> You know, and then after that, >> it is what it is. >> Well, that's the same [ __ ] that Floyd. made Canelo do. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's where they got it from. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> That's where they got it from. You know. what I mean? >> The thing is these guys see that big. number, they see those purses and they.

go, "Oh, I could fight good.". >> Yeah. I'll just get I'll just get a. little smaller beforehand. >> It's just not smart. >> Yeah. Your body's not going to react. when it's not fully hydrated. >> No. Not chance. It's the worst way to. fight. You know, I think guys who cut a. tremendous amount of weight, they do. themselves a terrible disservice. >> They really do. I think it's terrible. for your body. What's the most you ever. had to cut? >> The most I ever had to cut was probably. like. 25. >> Woo. That's a lot. >> What weight was that? 35 or 40?

>> 47. 47. Really? >> Wow. >> My last fight with Spence. >> And when did you start your cut? >> Months. >> Months out. >> Yeah. Months out. >> So the week of the fight, what were you. at? >> Probably like. 52, 54. >> Oh, okay. That's very good. That's very. reasonable. See, MMA fighters do it in a. [ __ ] up way. >> Them last couple of pounds is tough. >> Yeah, >> them last couple of pounds are tough.

And I just knew that it was over with. I. knew it was over with, you know. But. the hardest cut ever was when I was at. 135. That was like killing me. >> What were you walking around at back. then? >> Probably like. in the 50s, >> like 55. And so would you just lower your. calories in camp in camp? And then.

>> I got to change my whole diet. >> And then the week of the fight, what did. you weigh when you were fighting 35? >> I don't even Man, I was cutting like. probably like, >> seven pounds the week of the fight. >> See that in the MMA world, that's. nothing. These guys are cut. >> because they wait till the last minute. I know I know a lot of MMA fighters, they just dehydrate themselves. >> Yeah, they wait till the last minute.

But mine, >> I got to start gradually cuz I never. want to go in there and just like tank. >> So, I got to change my eating habits up. months, like two months in in advance. That way I can get my body used to being. lighter and yeah, you know, performing. at at that weight class because. >> if not, you know, you you doing more. hurting yourself than than than good. because you taking all the the fluid out.

of your brain. >> Exactly. >> You know, and. yeah, I couldn't be at no disadvantage. like that. >> And it makes you more vulnerable to. getting knocked out. >> Yeah, [snorts]. >> definitely. I mean, Alex Pereira is the. craziest example in the UFC. He was. fighting at 185 and he would weigh 225. when he fought. >> which is bananas. I mean that's 40. [ __ ] pounds. >> I think that's why I got um when when uh. not Cano when I fought Gamboa when I got.

hurt, you know, in that ninth round, but. I stopped him in the ninth round. But. that was part of that. Boom. Caught me. with a clean shot. Boom. I like. [laughter] [ __ ]. You know, until this day, that's the. only fight that I got hurt like that. ever. You know, a lot of people thought. me machine dropped me, me machine hurt. me. I didn't got mean [clears throat]. machine hit me with some hard shots, some clean hard shots. But nothing was.

like that gamble. Like my whole leg. locked up and I was just like, man, I. got to grab this dude, you know? And. >> And you think the weight cut had a lot. to do with that? >> Definitely. Yeah, definitely. >> What weight was that at? >> 135. >> Yeah. 135. You're a big guy, man. >> That's a lot of weight to cut. >> Yeah, >> it's uh that's the the most problematic. part of MMA for sure. I was actually. just having a conversation with Hunter. Campbell about that. They're trying to. devise strategies to discourage these. big weight cuts and trying to figure out. what to do.

>> It was crazy though because. >> I always been skinny. >> You know, a lot of people they say, "Oh, he's a weight bully. He's this. He's. that." And it's like, bro, I came from. 132. I wasn't at, you know, you see a lot of. these fighters, they in the amateurs, they like Sean Porter, he was at 165, then he went to 147. >> You know, a lot of people, they was. heavier, then they dropped weight. I was. at 132 and I moved up to go at 135. You.

know, as a professional and I was cool. with the weight. Then I just started. filling out once I start, you know, working out more and doing a little. strength and condition and. >> I just started my body started filling. out so I kept moving up. But. >> the weight that I was at with with. Canelo, that's the most comfortable time. of my career to be able to eat whatever. I want, not focus on weight, just.

>> Did you feel much better in the ring. because of that? >> I did. I did because that was the only. time that. I never like I had to eat to keep my. weight on me. >> Wow. >> And it's like and I don't I'm not used. to doing that. [laughter] Like I'm used. to, >> you know, starving. >> We got portions. It's like they feeding. me big meals. I'm like I can't eat all. this, >> you know? But so that was the that was. the one camp that it was like.

>> the weight wasn't an issue. Do you have. a nutritionist in camp? And so how do. they how do they do your meals? Is it. all based on x amount of protein, x. amount of carbs? It's all weighed out, >> all that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then they weigh you, check you, make. your body fat. >> They ask me what I weigh in the morning. Every morning. >> What did you weigh like when you got. into the ring? >> Um I think I was like 72. >> Okay. >> It's just a few pounds. >> Yeah. >> Nothing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I didn't weigh I didn't weigh I.

probably couple of pounds. Yeah. >> The only difference in MMA is obviously. the grappling, you know, and that's it. plays a big advantage if you can get a. lot of weight on a guy. That's. >> that's why a lot of guys do it. It's. also MMA is very flawed and one of the. most flawed aspects of it is the weight. classes. There's just not enough weight. classes. There's giant leaps. >> like between uh 205. the next weight class is heavyweight. So, it's 205 to 265.

185, the next weight class is 205. That's 20 pounds. That's nuts. 170 to. 185. 15 [ __ ] pounds is a lot. >> A lot. >> That's a lot. >> 7 lbs is a lot. >> 55 to 70. Yeah. 7 lbs is a lot. >> A lot of people don't know, but I was. way stronger at 47 than I was at 40. >> And that's only seven pounds, >> right? >> That's seven pounds of muscle that I. don't have to cut, >> right? Yeah. >> And a lot of people think, "Oh, is this. 7 pounds or 135 to 140? Is this 5.

pounds?" No, that matters. >> Yes, it matters a lot. And for fighters, there's a lot of guys that are tweeners. They're too big for 155. They can't make. the weight. And then they're too small. for 170. Yes. >> Cuz at 170, you got guys that are never. going to make 155. They're coming down. from 210 and they're getting to 170 and. they're jacked. I know somebody that was. coming out from 230 fighting at 165. >> Oh my god. Who was that? [laughter]. >> I ain't going to say his name.

>> Well, Anthony Rumble Johnson was the. craziest one that I ever saw. >> 230. >> Anthony Rumble Johnson was 230 and he. was fighting at 170. I ran into Rumble. once, rest in peace. He died a few years. back. I ran into Rumble once when he was. fighting at 170 and he was in between. fights and I ran into him at the hotel. and he was a [ __ ] heavyweight. He was. so big I couldn't I go, "What do you. weigh?". >> Yeah. >> And he said 230. I'm like, "Dude, that's. crazy. You have to cut 60 lbs.".

>> Yeah. >> But it was killing him. It was killing. him like literally to the brink of death. >> the day before a fight. >> That's nuts. That doesn't make any. sense. And they were all doing it. because they all felt like they had to. be the biggest guy in there. >> Yeah. >> Not smart at all. >> I think for MMA, they really need to. recognize this that one of the things. that's going to stop weight cluts. >> is give people more weight classes. Give. people more options. >> These this idea of only having eight.

champions, I think, in MMA is very, very. limiting. It's also limiting the. potential of a guy like you to go up and. up and up and win championship after. championship. In MMA, if you win two. belts, that's crazy. That's the only. thing. >> weight classes is so far apart. >> Exactly. It's the only the only people. that have ever done it have done it in. two weight classes. No one's done it in. three. >> You know, Pereira might try to do it at. heavyweight. He might try to go up to. heavyweight now because he's walking. around like 240, >> which is crazy because he used to fight.

at 185. >> It's nuts. But if they had more options. and they had more weight classes, I. think we'd have more competitive fights. We'd have less extreme weight cutting. We'd have healthier fighters and just. more champions is better. I mean, there's a lot of guys that could be. champions. There's not a weight class. for them. >> Mhm. >> If there's a 20 pound gap, 20 pounds is. so much. If I put 20 pounds of bone and. muscle on this table and show you what. it looks like, you'd be like, "Whoa,

that's a crazy amount of mass." And the. difference between losing that, gaining. that, being in the middle of that, it's. pretty significant. So, for a lot of. fighters, they're just their frame. doesn't line up perfectly with whatever. the division is. >> It just they they don't have a chance. >> Yeah. >> Sucks. >> It does. >> It drives me nuts. It drives me nuts. I. think extreme weight cutting is the. worst thing that's ever happened to the. sport of MMA and. >> any sport. >> Any sport, but in boxing, it's not as.

extreme. No one really does it. Jerem. used to do it. He got real big in. between fights. Real big. He was But. that cost him in the Nigel Ben fight. I. think that probably is what led to his. bleeding of the brain. That's probably. one of one of the contributing factors. to why he's, you know, he's. >> he's so hurt right now. you know, and that [ __ ] Roy up, too, because back at the time, that was his. biggest rival was Gerald. And, you know, Roy was always like, I do not want that.

ever happening to me, you know. >> Yeah. Like, man, like I say, when you. lose that that weight and you don't. understand, you losing that fluid in in. the back of your brain, >> you know, >> and it takes days for that fluid to. fully return to your brain, especially. when you're just drinking the water and. not. >> IV rehydrating. It's tough. It's tough. >> Yeah, it's [sighs] uh but I mean. boxing's been around longer. They've got. it figured out. And unfortunately or.

fortunately, the UFC dominates MMA and. they only have eight weight classes, so. everybody else only has eight weight. classes. California has instituted a. bunch of different weight classes, but. nobody The UFC has a heavyweight limit. You know how crazy that is? [laughter]. Isn't that stupid? It's stupid, right? >> It definitely. Talk to these people. >> I'm just now learning about that. You. didn't know? 265. You have to weigh 265. So, think about Tyson Fury. When Tyson. Fury fought Deontay, he was like 280, 285. >> Yeah. >> Imagine he's got to dehydrate himself.

He's got to lose 20 [ __ ] pounds. >> just to make the weight class. That's. [ __ ] That doesn't make any sense at. all. >> At all. >> At all. It's the heavy weight. >> It's the heaviest weight we can go. >> Remember Valuev when he was fighting. Aender Holyfield? Oh my huge god. >> He had to be over 300 lb. He was gi He. was a literal giant. An actual giant. Yeah. >> So, I think that's something you need to. talk to Dana about. >> Nobody listens to me, bro. [laughter]. >> They don't They don't listen to me. They. think I'm crazy. >> Well, we got to petition it then. >> Oh, I have a bunch of wacky rules that I.

want to institute. So, it's I understand. why they don't want to listen to me. I. would throw the whole sport up in the. air. >> I think it. these combat sports, it got to come from. the fighters, you know, just like boxing. I think if. the if the fighters come together, they. can make anything happen. The fighters. don't understand the level of power that. they carry because they think, "Oh, since they cutting the check, they got. the power, >> right?".

>> You know, but they can't cut the check. without us, >> you know. But it's the fighters that. need the money that makes it hard, >> right? Because the fighters that already. got the money, they can make a stand for. something. But the fighters that. doesn't, they like, "Well, you can do. that. I got to provide for my family.". You can take. a a chance of. going at the organization for a year or. however long it's going to last, but who.

going to pay my bills, >> right? >> Who going to put food on my family table. while we doing this, why we making this. stand? So, >> it's a little tougher for them to make. that stand than a person that's already. established. >> Yes. >> You know, and I think that's where, you. know, the the seesaw effect happens with. with boxing in UFC because. >> Well, UFC is more extreme because it's. really just the UFC. >> Yeah. >> It's really I mean, even Francis Enano, right? Francis Enano, one of the most.

devastating fighters to ever compete in. MMA. UFC heavyweight champion. They. couldn't get a deal signed and he winds. up leaving and goes to the PFL, but. nobody's watching. >> Nobody watches. Nobody cares. He He. knocked out some dude in the PFL and. nobody cared. >> Is he making more money? >> Yes, >> he care. >> He cares. Well, that's why he did it. He. got a great. >> a great deal with the PFL and then he. got to box Tyson Fury, boxed Anthony.

Joshua. >> Doing well. >> Doing well. Much much more money for. sure. >> which is good. But the the the fortunate. and unfortunate. Fortunate that the UFC. is the best promotional organization. that's ever existed. They really know. how to do it. They do it right. They. make stars out of these fighters. They. give them all these opportunities. They. they get the most asses in the seats. Every pay-per-view sells well. When. there's a UFC pay-per-view, people line. up to see it. There's there's a bunch of. stars in the UFC. But unfortunately,

when they're in other organizations, even if they're getting paid more, nobody knows who they are. >> Mhm. >> And so they if they want to come to the. UFC, they have to be they have to take a. pay cut, which is crazy. So you're. leaving an organ like if you're going. from. uh small promotions in boxing and then. all of a sudden you're in a world title. fight and you're in or you're in, you. know, uh Golden Boy promotions. You. would imagine now I'm getting paid more. money, more people are watching me. But. it's not the case. Like these other. organizations like the PFL have to pay. these guys more money because otherwise.

they can't get them at all. >> because everybody wants to fight in the. UFC. >> It's not a monopoly because there is. other options. There's 1 FC, there's. PFL, there's some organizations in. Russia and other parts of the world. But. >> the reality is it's like the NFL or like. you know Q-tips. It's like it's got a. name. It's the NBA. Nobody wants to. watch some new basketball organization. Nobody wants to watch the I mean the. XFL. Does do people watch it? I don't. know. But it's not the Super Bowl, you. know? It's like there's one big.

organization. That's the NFL. There's. one big MMA organization. That's the. UFC. And for these guys that want the. glory, they want to be known as the best. in the world. There's one place to be. >> So, it's very difficult for those guys. to hold out for more money. >> It goes back to identity and what you're. doing it for, >> right? You know, that's what you got to ask. yourself. Is you doing it for. fame? Is you doing it for to provide.

stability for your family? Is it I need money? Like what is Yeah, definitely legacy. >> For the great of the greats, legacy is. the primary focus almost always. Greatness is always the primary focus. because otherwise you never achieve. greatness. If you're just thinking about. money, I don't think those guys ever get. to the level that you're at or the level. that like the elite of the elite get. I. think those guys have to have their eye. on being the number one dog, period.

>> Facts. >> That's why I asked what is you doing it. for? Because in Gh, you know, he he's. already famous, right? He probably like, "Okay, well, >> yes, >> if y'all going to pay me x amount over. here and they only going to pay me this, >> then it makes business sense to go over. here.". >> Yes. >> You know, and that's just like uh Conor. B. >> He just s signed with Zufa. >> Mhm. >> And a lot of people was saying he's.

disloyal and Eddie Hearns them was loyal. to him and this and that and this. >> He's getting 15 million for his next. like, man, what is people talking about? I said, >> it's just business. It ain't personal. with with them. I bet. I said, Connor B. did what what was best for him and his. family. I said, just like the. promotional companies going to do what's. best for them and their business. If a. fighter that they sign. lose probably two straight, they get to. cut them. No questions asked.

Why? Because now they wasting money. They feel they don't care about that. person family. They don't care about. that person, you know, relationship with. them. They not going in there with their. heart like, "Oh man, like you a good. buddy." They like, "Ah, sorry. It's just. business. Cut you.". >> So when a fighter does the same thing. that a promotional company do or a. manager or anybody else, it's all you. disloyal, you this, you that. I'm like, >> make it make sense.

>> That's it doesn't make any sense in. boxing because in boxing there's so many. promoters. There's so many different. people as Eddie Hearns, Bob Arum, there's so many different promoters. >> Don King, this is there's so many. different promoters. That's the beauty. of boxing is that there's a lot there's. a lot of competition and there's a lot. of people that are there to try to get. you over onto their side and there's. cross promotion. There's no cross. promotion in MMA. Doesn't exist. >> They tried it a little bit in the early. days. They uh sent some UFC fighters.

over to Japan to fight for pride and. they brought some pride fighters over. into the UFC, but they don't do that. anymore. That was the early days because. it was the sport wasn't big back then. >> They were just trying to get big names. and they were trying to work a. promotional deal. But Japanese, man, they're clever. Like when they sold them. Pride, they thought they were getting. all the fighters. Turned out all the. contracts were [ __ ] that none of. them were valid. They basically bought. Pride for I think they spent $65 million. and they got a library. They just got a.

video library. >> UFC did. >> Yeah. They [laughter] didn't get [ __ ]. They didn't get Fedor. Fedor was the big. dog at one point in time. He was. >> kicking everybody legs. I remember. >> [ __ ] everybody [laughter] up, slamming them, arm baring them, [ __ ]. people up, standing. He was a complete. It was And he was at the same time where. Cain Velasquez was in his prime. And. that was the fight that they tried to. put together. But the Russians because. uh the UFC didn't have a contract with.

Fedor anymore because the contracts at. Pride were all [ __ ] They they had. to deal with, you know, these Russian. gangsters and these Russian gangsters. were like, you know, they wanted a piece. of the promotion. They wanted a lot. And. the UFC wasn't willing. It got very. contentious. Like the UFC had to up. their security. It got it got sketchy. >> Yeah, >> it got sketchy. You know, they're. they're bad dudes. Those [laughter] are. bad dudes, man. You know, >> but it's just as a fan, we were robbed. We were robbed of like one of the.

greatest matchups in the history of the. sport. >> Yeah. >> And there's a few of those moments in. combat sports where you've got these. just top dogs where you're like, "God, we got to see that happen." For a while. was Floyd and Manny, right? For a while. And after Juan Manuel Marquez knocked. out Manny, it took a little of the shine. off of that. And and then eventually. they fought, but Manny had a hurt. shoulder. And now they're going to do it. again. They're both 50. It's crazy. [laughter]. >> You're going to watch it though.

>> I'm going to watch it. [ __ ] you. I'm. going to watch it. I'm going to watch. him fighting Mike. I think that's crazy. He's going to have an exhibition with. Tyson, which is crazy. >> Yeah, that's crazy. >> Mike is so much bigger than him. >> He's so much bigger than him. He's not. going to land a fist on Mayweather, >> right? >> Not after his last performance, >> you know? I think Tyson just. >> need. >> What do you think was going on with that. the last one? It looked a little bit. like sparring. >> Yeah. I don't know. I think it was.

scripted. >> Yeah. >> I ain't never seen Tyson biting his. gloves and like you could just It was. taking all that he could not to like hit. him. And it was just like. >> it's it's. >> it's heartbreaking to see a icon go out. like that. >> Yeah. >> You know, and. >> but it's crazy also to see him fight at. 57 years old. Like that's. >> still like. >> he shouldn't have been in there. >> at all. You know, I think it's other. ways. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's other ways for.

>> But what did he get? He got at least 20, right? >> Yeah. But still, I think. that money. >> Yeah. But with all his connections and. things like that, I think people could. have put him in the right position to. make some money. >> if he's got people with him that are. looking out for his best interest. But. you know how it is when there's a guy. like that that's a big name. Usually. everybody around him pretends they're. looking out for their best interest, but. >> there's always lawsuits later on. You. find out someone was stealing money or.

not paying him what he deserved. There's. always a bunch of [ __ ] involved. >> Yeah. You know, unfortunately, especially if you're not businessminded, which I don't know if Mike is, but most. fighters aren't. Most fighters. concentrate on fighting. >> To be businessminded, that's a giant. distraction. You got to pay attention to. all this other [ __ ] On top of that, it's generally not how they think, >> right? >> You know, I mean, look at Floyd. Like, Floyd spends money like it's a tap. Like, he's got a tap just like unlimited.

amount of money. Let's money's just. flowing. And even as much money as he's. made in his career, which he's probably. made as much if not more money than any. boxer ever, like there's all these. lawsuits. Like he hasn't been paying. things and he owes money on this and. owes money on that and it's like and. then he's got to come out of retirement. >> Yeah, that's that's tough. >> Yeah, >> that's tough. I think it's just the. lifestyle that Floyd lived. >> Yes. >> I think he can't fathom to just live a.

modest lifestyle. It's like he gotta be. lavish, >> right? He's got to have those videos. where he shows you all the watches where. he opens the case up, you know, >> all the money. He gota. >> show that he got a million dollars in. his backpack and. >> yeah, >> you know, he got the latest watch and. latest car and. >> look what I just bought. >> And when you get into latest watches and. latest cars, you get into that [ __ ] like. boy, that money goes quick. >> Yeah. >> Bugattis are like 3 million. There's. watches that are 35 million. That's.

crazy. So you buy a watch and a car, you're down 10. >> That's nuts. >> That's nuts. >> Crazy. >> I remember Iran Barkley was talking. about that. Iran Barkley when he was in. his prime was hanging out with all these. professional athletes and everybody was. getting diamond crusted chains and this. and that and he was keeping up with. these people like you got to keep up. with the Joneses and he just found. himself like draining all of his money. He was talking about it like that was. the biggest detriment to him being able.

to save any money. >> They trying to keep up. >> Yeah. Which I thought was funny when I I. I was listening to this uh conversation. with Chad Oro Senco. He was talking. about it. He was like, "Oh, his jewelry. fake." [laughter]. >> He was wearing fake jewelry. >> Well, who would know? >> What's that? >> Who would know? Chad Oinko. It's like. when they look at him like. >> flying economy. He was sleeping at the. stadium like so he didn't have to pay. for an apartment. So smart, >> so clever, you know,

>> but that's a guy like preparing like. >> nobody going to question him, you know. They know, oh man, this NFL star, he got. money. >> Yeah. >> You know, so we're not going to question. if his diamond is real or not. >> Well, you really can't tell. I can't I. mean, you can't tell until you get a. magnifying glass on them. >> Or that's why they say we got these. diamond testers. >> They want to test your diamonds now. Like, >> come on now. >> Yeah. >> It's just all illusion anyway. Do you. [ __ ] around with any of that stuff? >> I got jewelry, but I'm not paying all. that money for no jewelry. Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> No, we can get some sponsorships. >> Yes. >> But me keep spending hundreds and. millions of dollars on jewelry. Nah, not. a me. >> It's just not smart. >> Yeah. >> And you don't get out of it what it. costs. >> Like if you think about how much. >> blood, sweat, what. >> sometimes you do. >> What do you get. >> now? If you buy from the factory now, if. you get you a Rolex, from the Rolex. store, you know, you might can get some.

money back for. >> you can flip it. Yeah, that's true. >> Now, now buzz downs. No, >> but if you get it from the actual store, the protect store, the Rolex store, >> that's true. >> Them type of stores, >> keep the box in the papers, is worth a. lot of it's worth more money. >> Then it's an investment. But all them. other ones, the chains and stuff like. that, no. You don't never see a. billionaire with no chain. >> No, >> you see it with a good watch, though. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> See it with a good [snorts] watch. >> Yeah, that's true. It's just uh the.

trappings of fame and and also showing. everybody that you have that money, the. trappings of wealth, you know, competing. with all this other getting your own. private jet, all that stuff. It's like. >> I learn from them. I learn from them. because the people with the real wealth, you don't know they got the wealth, >> right? You know, >> they walk around plain Jane clothes, no. nothing. >> Yep. >> You know, but the people that have a. little bit of money, >> they want you to know that they got a. little bit of money, but they don't have.

the wealth, >> right? >> So, I'd rather be wealthy than rich any. day of the week. >> Yes. And sneak around. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And keep [clears throat] it. >> Yeah. There you go. >> That's the thing. Cuz a lot of what. wealth is is never having to worry about. money. That's the big thing. >> Just have that money invested. have that. money making money for you. Don't spend. it all on stupid [ __ ] Live a modest. life. Live a normal life. >> You're much better off. Much especially. a professional athlete because you have. such a small window of time.

>> I mean, a lot of men don't even make. their real money until they're deep in. their 40s and 50s. >> or the end of the 30s. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, >> look at Floyd when he fought De La Hoya, >> then he fought uh Gotti, then he started. making some real money. >> Yes. >> You know what I mean? >> But I mean, that's for a pro alete, but. for most of these like really wealthy. business people, >> they most of them ex unless they're tech. investors, >> they they're making their money later in.

life. >> And so you have all this opportunity to. keep growing your wealth. But when. you're an athlete, you got a small. window of your prime. >> Your prime is essentially like maybe 20. years. Maybe 20 years you can make money. from 20 to 40. But what for a pro. athlete, unless you're Tom Brady, 40 is. the end. Or unless you're Bernard, >> Bernard was fighting at a world class. level at 49, 50 years old, which is. crazy. >> crazy. >> But that's cuz he take care of his body.

>> He don't put nothing. >> Super disciplined. never gets out of. shape, never puts any [ __ ] in his. body. And also. >> that mindset of what what he learned. when he was incarcerated like that, like. discipline is everything. Discipline. Discipline. Never knowing you're never. going back to that. Don't buy anything. stupid. Don't be dumb with your money. Don't be dumb with your body. Take care. of yourself. Never get out of shape. Always keep your conditioning up so when. you go into camp, you're not struggling.

to get back in shape again. You're. already in shape. Now you're just. working on your skills and honing. everything to a razor sharp edge. >> I think that goes to, like I said. before, the people that you have around. you, you know, that want to see you be. successful and the people that you can. learn from and the people that you can. get advice from, you know, um when they. see you about to do something that you. shouldn't do, they be like, "Hey man, we. ain't we ain't doing that. Come on, let's go." Or they'll call you be like, "Let's go run. I'm I'm not doing that.

let's go jog or. >> let's go to the gym or let's go eat some. healthy food. People that want to see. you be successful, not the ones that. say, "Hey, let's go party. Let's go. drink. Let's go do this. Let's do. cocaine.". >> You know, >> I think those the people that you need. to get get from around you. >> 100%. >> The ones that see you doing things that. you shouldn't be doing, but that's cool. with them seeing you doing that. >> Yeah. That's also the problem with an. entourage, too. >> For sure. >> It's guys who roll with an entourage. You always got one dude who's [ __ ] up.

in that entourage. There's conflicts in. the entourage between dudes and it's. like you're managing. >> a whole team of knuckleheads. It's like, oh god. >> Yeah. >> Just so that you could roll deep when. you show up at a place. >> You have 30 dudes hop out of SUVs like, "Oh, he's here. He's here. Look at that. group behind him. >> I don't need none of that.". >> That's beautiful. >> I don't need none of that. >> That's a valuable lesson for young. fighters to see your example. It's a I'm. glad you live the way you live. I really. am. I really am because I think it's so. important for guys to see.

>> So, let me ask you this. When you were. training for Canelo, what did you do. different? So, knowing that you're going. to be fighting at 168 instead of 54 or. 47, what what did you do different in in. terms of did you do anything different. in far about strength and conditioning? How long did you prepare? Like I know. you were thinking about that fight for a. long time, >> but like when you were physically. preparing for it, knowing that you were. going to be fighting him at 68, what did. you do different? >> To be honest, I ain't do nothing. different. >> really. >> It's crazy. Like all my fights,

there's nothing different. You know, we. train for me, me getting sharper, what I. need to work on, what I'm lacking in. But the only thing that I changed for. the fight with Canelo is Chad, my. strength edition coach. He got me in. February. He called me up. He like, "Hey, we going to get this fight." He. just kept saying, "We going to get it.". So, you need to be working out now. So, this way before I ever got the Canelo.

fight. So, I'm like, "All right." So, he'll come over my house. We'll work. out. We'll work out. We'll work out. >> What kind of stuff were you doing? >> Just strength work. Just strength work. like deadlifts, like what kind of stuff? >> Dead lifts, strength condition, like. deadlifts, working on good legs and. things like that and just get my body. just, you know, back to where it need to. be, you know. And um he just like, man, you got to strengthen up your shoulders. and things like that. And cuz quiet is. kept, I had just had shoulder surgery.

>> You did? >> Yeah. So, I just, you know, it there's a. lot of things that I go through in. training, but I don't speak about. because I don't never want it to be an. excuse, you know. Um, that's just one of the. injuries that I was coming off of. But. yeah, and he was just like, "Man, we got. to work. We got to work." So, >> what was the shoulder injury? >> Labram. >> Labram. Yeah. So, did you get it sewed. back up? Yeah. >> Did you get stem cells shot in there at.

all? >> No. No. No. No, >> I just had surgery on. >> Oh, man. I wish I talked. >> the front and the back. >> I wish I talked to you about that. Could. have got you in. >> Yeah. I didn't get I I didn't get it on. my left shoulder. So, I tore both of. them. Well, I tore my left in the Gambbo. uh fight. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> And you never got it fixed? >> Never. >> Is it okay now or does it [ __ ]. >> still It's still tore. >> Really? >> But the doctor say if if it's not. preventing you from working out then. they wouldn't advise me to get.

>> Do you feel it? Does it bother you. >> sometimes but not really like it it. bother me like sometimes but like not. crazy for the right. >> you down for. >> I leave to after this. >> damn. >> but the right one that was crazy like it. was hurting when I was sleeping after. the magimal fight. >> Oh really? >> Yeah. After the magim fight it was like. throbbing then it was just like man we. better get it done. But he was just on. me like we got to do physical therapy we. got to do this. We got to do this and it. was just like all right let's go. So he.

was just on me and he was just speaking. it into existence. He was like, "Man, you gonna get this fight. I can feel it. I can feel it." So like I started. training for Canelo in February. I. wasn't, you know, more so doing boxing. workout, but I was just getting my body. prepared to, you know, go to camp and. when I start back to go. >> So strength work is like the basics, strength training, but like what kind of. conditioning were you doing? >> Oh, no, nothing different. like running,

swimming, things like that. >> And you didn't try to put on any weight. Just tried to like be able weight is. just tighten it up, you know, with the. with the strength work. Just tighten it. up. That was it. >> Damn. I wish I knew that you had a. problem with your shoulder. I could get. you back in town. What? There's a place. called Waist Well that I work with here. that does stem cells that that helps so. many fighters out. A lot of UFC guys. come here. A lot of uh a lot of pro. athletes come here. NFL guys come here.

just to to get stem cells. It's like. state-of-the-art facility. It's really. good and it could help you. >> Yeah. >> Just I bet it could heal that labum. >> probably. Yeah. We'll see. >> Especially now because you're not going. to beat it up as much anymore. Obviously, I'm sure you're still working. out. You look great. >> No, I'm actually not. >> Not working out at all. Nothing. >> I've been chilling. [laughter]. Hey, >> you earned it. Hey, I've been I've been. putting on my time with my kids and. just, you know, relaxing and not having. to worry about running and waking up in.

the morning. And. >> did they offer you a rematch? >> No, >> they didn't. Cuz there was talk that. they offered you a rematch, but you. wanted 100 million. All this all. internet [ __ ]. >> That's a lie. There wasn't even no. rematch in the in the contract. There. was no no conversation about a rematch. There still haven't been a conversation. about a rematch. I've seen Canelo said. that he won a rematch, but nobody has. reached out to me and said, "Hey, Terrence, what you think about a.

rematch?" or anything like that. So, >> let's put that out there. >> Is there a number that that would bring. you back? >> I don't know. Like, me personally, I I. can't say it is, you know, because. >> you're just not compelled. >> Yeah. Not at all. >> You did it. >> Yeah. >> Did it perfect. >> It's like I'm not the motivation. I'm. I'm always motivated by competing and, you know, things like that. But like. when it come like boxing, it's like I. did it all.

>> right. >> Like it's like I checked everything off. the the the check box. So it's like uh. it wasn't close, >> right? >> You know, >> right? >> I beat him, you know, decisively. So. what what am I doing it for? >> I think I might have gave him one or. maybe two rounds. More like one. Yeah, >> it was mostly there was I think it was. like maybe the fifth he had a really. good. >> Yeah, the fifth round he had a good. fifth round. >> Yeah. But other than that, man, especially the ninth round.

>> and he headbutted me. I He headbutted me. on purpose. Did he? >> Yes. >> Really? >> Yes. >> I was like, man. He was like, "Sorry, champion." I like. >> this [ __ ]. >> He just got a little angry. Little car a. little frustrated. >> Yeah. a little frustrated, but it's a. fight. Like, >> anytime I'm in a fight, I don't I don't. complain about nothing. If somebody hit. me in the back of the head or they hit. me below the waist or anything like. that, I never complain because I'm so. aggressive. I'm like, it's a fight. You.

know what I mean? Like, they trying to. do whatever they can to win. It's up to. this. >> referee to step in because if he don't, then I'mma take matters in my own hands. and I'm going to do the same thing. >> So, uh I don't complain. I'm just like. bam. I was a little frustrated. I was. like, man, all right. >> All right, breathe. Let's get back to. work. >> Yeah. Don't lose your composure. That's. the problem with getting angry. Right. >> Yeah, for sure. >> Yeah. But yeah, that ninth round, that's. when you really start separating.

>> Yeah. >> You really started pouring it on. I was. wondering if you're going to stop him. When the ninth round was coming over, when you were cracking them with some. big shots, I'm like, whoa. Like, >> so I told my coach when we was in there, he was like, you don't got to do that. you got cuz they [laughter] they know. they know me and I'm like man I can go. for it and you know and it's just like. they they just know me. They know my. demeanor and it was like you don't got. to give them a chance. >> Just keep doing what you doing. You. boxing the [ __ ] out of them. You you.

winning hands down. Don't give them a. chance. You don't got to box them. You. don't got to do that. You winning. So. it's just like me wanting to listen to. my coaches all the time because that's I. have that much faith in them. If they. tell me to go out there and use my jab. the whole fight, that's what I'm gonna. do because that's the belief I have in. them, you know, and I just like, all. right, the last round I was like, "All. right, let me win this round and. separate myself, you know, and.

I felt like I hurt him bad in that. round.". >> Yes. >> You know, but it's boxing. >> Yeah. Well, he's got a crazy chin. Yeah. >> He's got a crazy chin. I mean, it's it's. something unusual. >> No. >> You know, you don't think so? >> No. They said red heads is hard to knock. out. [laughter]. >> It's proven. Yeah. I Googled it. What is. they called? What? Uh. >> gingers. >> Yeah. Gingers. I promise you when you.

look up, >> they have a higher pain supposedly. Yeah. when you look it up. I looked it. up cuz my cousin, she's a um a nurse and. she said, "Yeah, them gingers, they hard. to put to sleep even when you giving. them the aesthetics to go to sleep.". >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Interesting. >> Anesthesia. >> Redheads often possess unique pain. profile, generally exhibiting a higher. threshold for specific types of pain. like heat or pressure, but requiring 19. to 20% more general anesthesia.

>> Wow. or higher do 19 to 20% is a lot. [laughter]. or higher doses of certain anesthetics. to reach the same level of comfort. That's crazy. Largely due to the mutated. MC1R. gene which affects nerve sensitivity can. lead to increased sensitivity to pain. and paradoxical increased sensitivity to. some opioids. Interesting. >> Interesting. Increased sensitivity to. opioids is interesting. When she told me. that, I I Googled it and I was like,

damn, this why Canelo, you know what I. mean, can take so many good shots. Yeah, >> that does make sense. Well, you know, Neander Dolls supposedly had red hair, >> so maybe like redheads have more. Neanderl jeans. >> probably. >> You know, the Neander dolls were. brutally strong. >> That's where it comes from. >> I thought she was playing at first. >> That's crazy. She was like, "Man, when. we be trying to put them to sleep, it'd. be it'd be harder to put them to sleep. than normal people." So, I started.

googling and I like, "Fucking right.". >> 19 to 20% is nuts. That's a lot. That's. like the difference between killing. someone and them just going to sleep. Like, you give them an extra 20%, they. might not wake up. >> Facts. >> That's [laughter] crazy. 19 to 20% is wild. >> Yeah. Well, I was talking to Jim. Lampley, and I didn't know this, but. Canelo has always been riding horses. since he was young. >> That's good for his balance and them. legs. >> And the legs. Yeah, it's his base. That's That's a big part of it. Also,

he's got that thick [ __ ] neck, big. square head. >> Like he been doing an iron neck all. >> says Neanderthalss have a different. mutation that actually gives them more. sensitivity to Payton. >> Interesting. >> More most humans. >> Inter more sensitivity. >> Yeah. >> Lower threshold. Interesting. >> It's like the opposite. >> Wow. Even though they're redheaded. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, he ain't one of them. He ain't. one of them. [laughter]. >> He the other one. >> It's one of those Mexican redheads,

>> right? >> Yeah. It's wild. That's crazy. But yeah, I never thought the horse thing like. Lampley was explaining was like, yeah, the balance and the the legs cuz you're. you're constantly squeezing down on that. horse and you're constantly adjusting. and your core and everything. like, "Oh, I never even thought of that." I would. just think, "Fucking, why are you riding. horses when you're a world champion? Don't do that. People fall off horses, they break their [ __ ] neck. Don't do. that.". >> Yeah. I seen a a guy break his arm. [snorts] They wanted me to take a.

picture on the horse and my bro Manny. was like, "Man, I don't know about these. [ __ ] horses. These horses be crazy.". I said, "Man, I rode horses before." He. was like, "Yeah, but it's a lot of. people around." and he asking the guy. and about the horses and the other guy. was like, "Yeah, he can get on this. horse." So, I get on the horse, I take. the horse, I take the picture and I get. off. No longer than like 10 minutes. This guy on the on his own horse, his. horse just [ __ ] go crazy. [ __ ] him off.

Boom. He broke his arm. This in the. parade [clears throat] and the horse is. just running wild. I'm like, he said, "See, see this is why I was telling. you." He was going crazy. He was like, "See, I told you these [ __ ] horses.". Yeah. >> But it wasn't the same horse. It was a. different horse. >> Yeah. >> But he was just like, "See, that's why I. was telling you these horses be [ __ ]. crazy.". >> Yeah. You just never know with animals. You just My oldest daughter got into. horses for a while. One of her friends. used to do those things where you know.

they the horse jumps over a thing and. like you know they have like a whole. obstacle course and she was getting into. that and she fell once and she was okay. and then she fell a second time she hurt. a wrist pretty bad. I'm like honey you. got to stop. You can't be doing this is. too dangerous. >> cuz like those kind of injuries you get. falling off a horse especially if you. get stomped those are lifech changing. >> Especially if you get tied up tied up. Oh, >> I didn't seen videos of people getting. buck and their leg is. >> Oh,

>> they just a rag dog getting beat up, >> getting stomped in the head. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, horses. [ __ ] that. [laughter]. >> [ __ ] that. I I I know quite a few people. that have fallen off horses and been. okay, but like. >> why why do it? >> Yeah. No. >> Yeah. >> Texas Ranger. [laughter]. >> Everybody wants to be cowboy. They watch. Yellowstone too many times. Everybody. want to be a. >> It's funny. We were talking to Andre. Ward on the phone today when you had. Andre on FaceTime and you're talking.

about Burbles. >> Yeah. >> But uh I I've been going down this uh. Berber uh rabbit hole. Those those. mastiffs. >> I'm I'm fascinated by them, man. South. African mastiffs. They used to keep. lions and hyenas away from the farms, >> you know. And uh we were talking about. coyotes. Like you got land now, >> you know. You're just you're relaxing. now. So, I like it. Separated from. everything. Got some space. >> Yeah. I bought It's crazy because when I.

was building the house, >> you know, a lot of people was like, "Oh, he he's building a house on the Aeros. Spence money and this and that and. this." I'm like, "Dude, do you know how. long the process is of building houses?". Like, this is not no week or two two. month deal. You know what I mean? Like, >> years. Yeah. Just from design to the. beginning of construction, it's years. >> Yeah, for sure. You got to go pick out. every [ __ ] thing in the house, >> you know. I bought that land in 2016.

>> Oh, really? Wow. >> And I just was sitting on it. It was a. house that there already, you know, I. had it rent out to one of my buddies, my. best friend at that, you know, and when. the time came, I had more kids. So, you. know, it was better that I waited than. the build then. So, I just was like, man, it's it's time, you know, it's more. peaceful out there. The kids, they ride. the four-wheelers out there where we can. shoot out there. >> Nice. >> We can we can do whatever we want out.

there. And it's just, you know, peaceful. to wake up. >> to the sunrise and, you know, the the. nature calling. >> Yeah. >> Ain't nothing like it. >> That's the dream. >> It's definitely the dream. >> Yeah. For a lot of people, that's nice. That's nice. It's nice to see someone. just setting their life upright. Yeah. >> You know, I'm just amazed that you don't. get the itch at all. [sighs]. >> I I'm I'm more competitive in other. sports, you know, >> like what? Basketball, football. I'm.

anything. I ain't going to lie. Anything. I do, it's like I got to compete. >> I got to compete. Darts, pool, like. whatever. You remember I came in here. like [laughter] you want to play pool? You're like, "Let's do it." I was like, "No, I'll just play. You can't kick my ass on camera on pool. [laughter]. I heard that you was good. >> I [ __ ] Lennox Lewis up. He was talking. a lot of [ __ ]. >> Lennx Lewis never got a shot. [laughter]. >> Yeah, >> I ran two racks on him and he was like,

"We're done.". >> Yeah. I came in here uh pump faking you. [laughter]. already knowing. >> I just like to have fun, you know. >> Well, everyone who is an elite athlete. is insanely competitive. >> Yeah. You know, that's the problem. though is unfortunately some of them get. involved in gambling. You know, like. that's the Michael Jordan. >> That's what we was just talking about, me and Dre. He was like, >> "You gamble?" I said, "Man, I ain't. never gamble.". >> Good for you. >> A lot of people was always asking me, "Why [snorts] you don't gamble on your. fights?" No,

>> I don't gamble at all. >> Good for you. >> You know, they was like, "Oh, well, we. see you when you when you gambled on the. the streamer, you know, Aiden Ross." I. said that was only because he called me. out with my brother. >> What did you do? What was that? >> He bet me 10,000 that TF female was. going to whoop Shakur. >> Oh, that's a crazy bet. >> You know what I mean? So, it was just. like. >> that's a silly bet. >> He called me out on on on live, you. know, stream. So, I I'm never going to. back down from that. Like, of course,

I'm riding with Shakur till the wheels. fall off, you know? >> That's also like if if I was making. odds, I'm putting like a six to one. Yeah. Like that's a crazy flatout bet. >> Yeah. >> You're not even getting any odds on the. money and and you're putting it on T. No. disrespect to TFimo, but I think that. Shakur is he has the potential to be an. all-time great. >> Yeah, he will be. >> I believe so. >> He will be. All he got to do is keep. doing what he doing, stay focused, and. that's it. It's just with with with.

fighters like Shakur, Devin, >> it's all about staying focused. Mhm. >> You know, when these young fighters get. to the the p pinnacle of boxing and they. got everything at their disposal, sometimes they get caught up in the the. limelight and the things that really. don't matter. >> You know, as long as they stay focused. >> and keep their eye on the prize of where. they want to go and where they want.

their legacy to land, >> they're gonna be just fine. Yeah. because it's easy for them. to get caught up and want to be a fan. pleasing fighter, you know, listening to. the masses. All they need to fight like. this or I don't want to see them fight. because all they do is run or all they. do is fight like this and they pity pat. They ain't got no power. This and that. It's boxing. They winning. All they got. to do is keep winning. That's it.

>> Well, look at Floyd later in his life. >> Yeah. Like Floyd later in his life. fought so safe but yet made so much. money cuz he talked so much [ __ ] that. people were spending money hoping he was. going to lose. >> And he's not the first one that did. that. Tyson. >> Yeah. [snorts]. >> Roy Jones Jr. >> Yeah. >> Muhammad Ali. Yep. >> And I always I said this. when I was with Tyra. I said, "Why is it. only the black fighters that got to talk.

[ __ ] to to sell like. >> Well, MMA, it's white fighters, too. Conor McGregor. >> No, no, no. Conor McGregor, you know, I. say he one of us, you know, because they was treated like. black people over there where he from. >> Mhm. >> You know, a lot of people don't know. that. >> Oh, yeah. a lot of Irish ladies, >> you know, they was they was treated just. like us. So, >> you know, I I I consider him one of us, you know, but at the same time, >> you know, in boxing, it's always.

the black fighters got to be the ones. that step out and play this circus role. and, you know, be the be the one to talk. [ __ ] and have everybody hate them. But. the ones that don't like. Andre Ward, Terence Crawford, Tim. Bradley, you know, they boring or they. can't sell, things like that. Is you judging me for what I say or what. I do in the ring?

>> Well, this is the difference with. casuals versus people that really. appreciate excellent boxing. >> Cuz I knock people out. >> Of course, [laughter]. >> that's what people want to see. They. want to see action. I'm going to give. them action. But I think for casuals, they want to see a lot of shit-talking, too. For some reason, they want to get. emotionally wrapped up in your conflict. with this other person. >> But they pick and choose. >> They do sometimes. Yeah, they do. sometimes. But I mean, like, look, Tyson. Fury talks a lot of [ __ ]. >> Oh, yeah. >> And obviously one of the greatest of all.

time, >> you know, talked a lot of [ __ ] Sold a. lot of tickets, you know, >> singing and [ __ ] Yeah. >> After [laughter] the fights, that guy's. great. >> In his draws. In his draws. of this cup. Legendary. >> He's a legend. >> Legendary. >> He's a legend. [laughter]. >> I mean that guy. >> but he from a different country. >> Sure. >> You know what I mean? So. >> you got to understand like. >> he bringing those people over here and. they going to support him win, lose or. draw. Y. >> you know when we [snorts] went over to.

the UK and we watched Amir Khan fight. Kell Brookke it was electrifying and. those guys had losses been both stopped. and all that. >> you know but those people came out to. support like a [ __ ]. >> Oh yeah. And I left and I left that. arena like god damn man I wish I was. >> you know from the UK you know like cuz. the way they support boxing. >> they don't look at oh since you lost you. know we not going to support you they.

look at no these is warriors and. >> we not going to stop supporting them. because they lost. >> that's true that is true about the UK. >> America they like man you got your ass. whoop on to the next you bum you washed. >> you ain't as good as you said you was or. we thought you was and it's just like. they they chew you up and spit you out. and it's like goddamn you know how hard. it is to stay at the top of a sport that. everybody's gunning from you. >> Mhm. >> You know that's that [ __ ] hard like.

>> Yeah. That's the culture of America. though, right? It's a bit of a problem. >> Yeah. >> I It disgusts me with fighting. >> It's not like that in the UFC though. >> It is. >> Not so much. >> There's plenty of plenty of people. >> Well, the UFC it's not as important to. me. I'm about to say it's only like a. couple of people in the UFC that was. undefeated. >> Very few. >> You know, you got. >> Khabib, >> you got uh uh Jon Jones, he had that one. little loss. >> That's a [ __ ] loss. Yeah, but. everybody know that was [ __ ] loss.

>> Um. >> uh uh my boy my boy Cejudo. He he just. finally lost with not too long. >> Well, he lost a bunch of times. He lost. to Mighty Mouse early on, then he came. back and beat Mighty Mouse to win his. first title. Yeah, >> but like. >> most. >> everybody else be having like five. losses and stuff like that and they be. at the top at the top, >> you know, and everybody still support. them. But don't nobody go, "Oh, he got. five losses. He trash. He this, that.".

No, just. >> that's true. >> Maybe it was off night, you know. >> There's something to that because I. think it's more difficult to not lose in. MMA. There's just too many different. styles. There's too many different. approaches, too many variables. And it's. also so difficult to not be hurt in. training before you fight. When you're. grappling, kicking legs, elbows, all. that [ __ ] you're doing in training, jiu-jitsu, you know, you're manipulating. joints. There's so many different things. that can get [ __ ] up. >> I mean, think about all the things that. get [ __ ] up just with your hands. Just.

boxing, shoulders, back, knees, >> ribs. >> Ribs. Yeah. >> And then neck. >> Yep. Neck. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then add getting dumped. on your head. Add, you know, getting. kned in the face. Add getting your legs. kicked, knees buckled, >> toes broke, >> toes broke. Yeah. [laughter] I mean, Pereira fought a world title fight with. a broken toe. >> Yeah. >> Just came in and fought with it and. afterwards toes all [ __ ] up and. crooked the side and he like adjusts it,

>> pops it into place. Yeah. >> It's tough for them for combat sports, you know, and people don't know, like I. said, they don't know what we go. through. We don't never walk in a a a. world. >> class fight, you know, the same or 100%. healthy. Like, everybody just be like, "Oh, man. I'm 100%." No, the [ __ ] you're. not. >> It's not possible. [laughter]. >> There's always going to be something. that's bothering you. >> If you're going through a 10e camp, how. is how how is it even possible.

>> to not something. >> if they bullshitting? But it's going to. show in the fight, >> right? >> It shows in a fight. But don't they. everybody always say nobody says I'm. pretty [ __ ] up going in this fight but. I'm hoping it works out. Nobody says. that. >> Nobody said that. >> No. I mean it's just it's the game. >> When they talked about my shoulder you. know before the Canelo fight I was just. like I don't know what [ __ ] tell hit me. in both of my shoulders you know. [laughter]. like it don't matter. Like my shoulder. is healed like Yeah. >> How long did it take before it felt 100%.

again? >> After the fight. >> Really? Yeah, cuz I got it on Halloween. >> Oh, you got in October. And then how. many months did you have to recover? >> I fought September. >> Whoa. Okay. So that. >> So you had not even a year. >> And when did you really start training. hard again after the surgery? >> Uh probably. April. >> Okay, that's a good amount of time.

Yeah. Yeah. People don't realize like. shoulders is such a complicated joint. There's all this different movement. >> and it still wasn't like like 100% after. I fought. >> cuz you didn't have your strength all. the way back to even after you fought. >> Yeah. Like it wasn't 100%. >> So it wasn't 100% in the fight. >> That's crazy. I always tell people like. if you watch my jab and my hook in the. Canelo fight, then watch my jab and my.

hook. my prior fights, you know, and match him. off and Spence, you'll see the. difference. >> really, >> you know, but the blind eye wouldn't. even notice it, >> right? >> You know, they'll just be like, "Oh.". But then they still effective. >> Yeah. But then but then when they know, they be like, "It wasn't as snappy. It. wasn't as hard. you know, you kind of. was just like laying out there. >> So, that's just little key little. things. >> But now it's 100%. >> Oh, yeah. It's good now.

>> Wow. And the left one doesn't bother you. really. >> Uh the left one, it bothered me when I. when it's overused. >> Mhm. >> You know, but like. not in a fight. No, I don't think none. of that [ __ ] bother me. >> Do you have any plans to come back in. town? >> N. >> Can we get you back in town and get you. some stems? You know the the only time I. ever came here was this podcast. >> Never ever been here in my life. >> Really? >> I got a great city.

>> Yeah. Julie always talked about it. She. >> so many good restaurants. So many good. places. >> She took me to the college and all that. and you know reminiscing cuz she went to. college here and she just love it here. So she's like this is the bars that we. went to. This is this this and like oh. Julie you happy sp place huh? She was. like I just love it here. Well why not. move here? It It's a great town. I love. it to death. But if you want to come. back, I would love to get you set up and. get your shoulder taken care of. >> For sure. >> It'll change your life. Stem cells is.

wild, man. It's crazy what it could do. >> Yeah. >> Just regenerates tissue. Everything. heals. Like within like weeks, you start. feeling better. You're like, "God.". >> Yeah. >> Everything just feels looser. >> For sure. >> I've had so many friends that were like. on the verge of getting surgery. Like, I. don't know. Doctor says I need surgery. Get stem cells. >> Everything's good. Mhm. >> I had a full length uh rotator cuff. tear. >> I went to the doctor 6 months after. those stem cells. He's like, "This is. the craziest thing I've ever seen." He's. like, "That tear doesn't even exist. anymore. It's gone.

>> Completely healed. >> It's crazy.". >> Like, stem cells are nuts, man. And. they're getting better at it all the. time. >> Like, it's just pharmaceutical drug. companies [ __ ] hate it. Surgeons hate. it. Like, doctors hate it because it's. going to it's going to cost them money. because there's a bunch of people. >> money. Yeah, there's a bunch of people. that are going to get treated with stem. cells that don't need surgery, >> right? >> And afterwards they're like, "Oh, I'm. good.". >> Because the doctors, like when all you. have is a hammer, everything looks like. a nail. And these doctors, the way they.

make their money is cutting you. And. they all want to cut you. And it's. amazing how many different, especially. soft tissue injuries, how many different. injuries you can heal with stem cells. It's pretty remarkable. >> My doctors try to avoid cutting me. >> Did [laughter] they? Well, that's good. >> So, they waited till all the way till. >> That's a good doctor, >> you know. >> That's a good doctor. >> So, it was like we got to. >> Mhm. >> So, >> that's after the Majima fight, right? Yeah.

>> Well, I'd love to get you back in here. because I really think they could they. could help that. >> For sure. >> Yeah. Especially you got your whole life. ahead of you now. You don't want, >> you know, you don't want that bothering. you and [ __ ] with you. You be able to. do whatever you want. >> And especially now because you're not. training hard. Oo, it'll heal good. >> Yeah, >> it'll heal. Because that's the problem. A lot of guys, they get the stem cells. and they go back to training in a few. weeks and then they kind of it's not. 100% healed and they tweak it a little. bit and you know, but now if you're not.

training at all, this is the perfect. time to do something like that. >> Yeah. >> So, what is your plans now? Now that. you're on top of the world, >> man, I just. >> you did it. What does it feel like? >> It feel Man, like it's supposed to. >> Like it's supposed to. and feel like. it's supposed to. >> Like a lot of people they ask me, they. say, "Man, how you feel? Like how how's. the retired life?" I'm like the same. Like nothing. in my life has changed, but the people.

everywhere else congratulating me and. things like that. But like far as like. my living, you know, aspect of my life. is it's the same. like when I'm. fighting, training, you know, I'm. focused on the fight, but after that. it's like my kids, you know, the gym, things like that. You know what I'm. saying? >> Do you have any interest in doing. commentary at all? Because I think you. would be great at that.

>> I don't I be chilling. I don't be liking. to be in the media talking and all. >> But you don't even have to be in the. media. >> I'd be avoiding the media. [laughter]. I I be void avoiding. You know how like. some people [sighs]. >> like they want to be all up in the. limelight and things like that and. >> Yeah. >> I just be I be avoiding. They be like, "Dance, can we get in here?" Not right. now. I don't want to talk. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> well, I appreciate you coming in here. >> Oh, yeah. For sure. You know, but a lot. of people ask me that. Do you want to be.

like all the other fighters and be a. commentary? You know, nah. Good for you. >> I'll be cool. >> Good for you. That's going to help you. so much. It's going to help you so much. because it's the people that crave that. limelight. When it all goes away, then. they're like, "Well, who am I? >> I thought I was special. I thought I was. special.". >> You know, I want I want to be the guy. when, oh, he's here. He's here. You. know, they want to be constantly in the. limelight, showing up at red carpets, all that. I avoid all that [ __ ] too.

>> I don't want to have nothing to do with. that. I know who I am, you know, internally, you know, so. >> can't nobody, you know, tell me who. Terrence Crawford is. >> So, I'm happy in my own skin. Always. been happy in my own skin. And I believe. that's how I got to the point where I'm. at now. You know, when nobody believed. in me, I didn't listen to them because I. knew who I was all along. when people. told me I was a bad businessman.

Okay, look at me now. You know, when. people told me what I should have did, what I shouldn't have done, and I did. what I wanted to do, look at me now. So. now it's like everybody like, man, this. dude was knew all along. And it's like, yeah, because I'm not a follower. I'm. not gonna listen to people that never. done anything in their life and never. took no chances or no risk to tell me. what I can and what I can't do. So, I'm.

happy in my own skin. I'm happy, you. know, whether they chanting my name or. whether they not. Long as my family love. me and my family there and they they. good, they well taken care of, then. that's the only thing that makes me. happy. >> That's beautiful. I hope young fighters. that are inspired by you take that. example. I hope I hope they take that. mindset and try to adopt it as their. own. I really do. >> I really do because there's so many.

young fighters that just can't wait to. be that person in the limelight. Can't. wait to be that person living flashy in. front of everybody. >> And it's a foolish adventure. It's. >> temporary. >> It's temporary. >> And they don't understand that. like. they only change your name for a moment, you know. It's it's it's very temporary, you know, and they'll turn on you in a. heartbeat, you know. Just just do. something crazy or lose a match that you. don't supposed to lose or be up against.

one of your rivals and you lose and then. everybody going to turn it back on you. >> 100%. >> You know, and you're going to be sitting. there lost. Look at Broner when he was. at the top of the top. Everybody was. there. >> Yep. >> He had everybody in this corner. >> Now he had this lowest. Now they making. fun of him. Now they taking pictures and. you know I. >> He makes fun of himself too though. >> Yeah, he do. But he he's suffering. >> Yes. >> You know and I hits him up and I try and. encourage them and I send him messages.

and I you know and you got to be there. for people when they at their lowest. >> That's great. He was a very talented. guy. But. >> again, that's what you said, like he's a. guy who really got caught up in it. >> That's a perfect example. >> What's Jervante doing now? >> I don't know. >> Is he on the run? >> I don't know. I don't know nothing about. that guy. >> I think he's on the run. At least he was. like recently. That's unfortunate. He's. so [ __ ] talented.

He's a He has such an unusual style, too. You know, very economical. throws. very few punches, but when he does, it's. boom. >> Explosive. >> Super super explosive. I mean, uh, this. is a great time for boxing, though. It. really is. >> It's an exciting time for boxing. There's a lot of stars right now, you. know, >> and they fighting each other. >> Mhm. >> That's the that's the most important. thing that I could say is. the fight is being made. Whether you on.

this side or that side, the fight is. being made. the promoters is working. together within each other. Um so no. matter. >> what do you attribute that to? You think. that's Riad season? Is that. >> Yeah, >> of course. >> Yeah. >> Turkey came in changed up the game, you. know, he he he he. went to the fighters, you know, hey, I got this. I got this. We want this. fight to happen. And the fighter is.

like, "Whoa, we know we not going to get. this and nothing." Well, nobody would. have never seen no bev better b fight. >> That fight would have never happened. Them promoters not going to pay that. money. >> You know, there are so many fights out there that. the promoters would have never paid for. Top rank would have never paid the money. that Turkey paid to see Shakorn Tio. fight, >> right?

>> You know, so we got so many fights. because of him and we need to be. appreciative of him because without him, none of those fights would have happened. >> 100%. >> The Canelo fight wouldn't have happened. for me. The Magal fight wouldn't have. happened for me. Um, and so so many. more. >> Absolutely. I think that's very exciting. that but that's what the sport needed. It needed someone to come in with deep. pockets. >> that just said let's make these fights. happen. >> And I think that's why you know boxing.

is on a rise right now. People is. talking about boxing more. People is. more supportive about boxing now. And. people is tuning to not only RI season. shows but all shows. Look at Clarissa. >> Yep. She just put on a hell of a. performance. >> Hell of a performance. >> and it was rocking in that moment. >> It was sold out over 16,000 people as a. woman. >> I know, right? >> Man, she doing her thing and people. don't give women enough credit like she.

bringing out stars, you know, and man, it was it was a good atmosphere in. there. I mean, >> and it was a very skillful fight. >> Yeah, they bang. >> Very skill. They came to bang. >> I said I said y'all came out of there. fighting like cats and dogs in that. first round. But you can see it in her. face. She wanted the knockout so bad. I. was She's a dog. >> She's ferocious. Yeah. And so skillful, too.

>> You know, but it's she's a a unique. individual star in a, you know, a. a realm where there's not a lot of women. stars, you know. It's like, >> but I think a person like her can. encourage others. Yeah. >> And it could be more. And when you have. one star, a lot of times it does sort of. open up the landscape for more. >> For sure. For sure. Cuz she. >> she transcends. >> Yeah. >> She transcends boxing. Like a lot of. people know who Clarissa Shields is. A. lot of people know who she is outside of.

boxing. And there's not a lot of other. female boxers you could say that about. You know, there's only been a few ever. like Christy Martin and. >> Leila Lee. >> Leila Lee. >> And Wolf. Yeah. >> And Wolf was good. >> Yeah. And Wolf. Woof. That would. [laughter] crack. She could. And she was. a ferocious trainer, too. Remember she. was training Kirkland? >> Yes. >> Bro, >> with the bag on on the back of the. truck. >> Oh, man. She'd make him go through hell. But when she when he was with her, >> he was phenomenal. >> When he undefeated with her,

>> I think he was undefeated with her. And. she wasn't with him when he fought. Canelo. >> Unfortunately, >> a couple of fights I don't think she was. with. >> Yeah. Well, I think it was too much. Like it was too hard. like he didn't. want to he didn't want to do it. >> She's [laughter] a tough lady, man. >> She'd put you through some [ __ ] hell. Her training like there's some videos of. her putting Kirkland through training. camp and it's like my god. >> And for a woman. >> show. >> to be able to do that, you know? It just. shows you how impressive she was, how. special she was.

>> But his performances showed as well. >> Yes. >> You know, because she was getting in his. mind as well as physical. >> Yes. you know, and taking everything. from him. >> and putting them in a room. And now it's. training. It was kind of like Rocky, >> you know, you ain't got no TV. All you. doing is work, eat, sleep, >> [ __ ] boxing, >> you know, and it's just like, damn. >> I got into uh old uh boxing footage real. recently. Over the last like six months,

I've been watching a lot of like old. camps and there's some great YouTube. channels that are shows Haggler's camps. >> And Haggler's camps were phenomenal. It. was so good. Like Haggler was rich and. he would go to Province Town, this. shitty little [ __ ] town on the Cape. No disrespect Province Town. I'm just. saying. And compared to where he could. be, I mean, he could be in New York. City. He could be anywhere he wanted, but he would go to this small town in. the middle of [ __ ] nowhere and run on. the beach and live in a room with no TV,

no nothing, just eat, sleep, train. He. was sparring a 100red rounds a week. I. mean, it was wild. Watching him train. was incredible. It was incredible. And. when he would get into that ring, there. was no stone unturned. No stone unturned. And it was just all. discipline and drive and focus and and. he was another guy didn't get his due. didn't get his due until he stopped. really until he stopped Hearns. That's.

when people really woke up. You know, all the inside boxing people were very. aware. But it took a while. It took a. while before the rest of the world. caught. >> because it weren't flashy. >> Yeah. It wasn't flashy. Just dominate. >> Yeah. >> Just break people's wills. The Mugabi. fight to this day is one of my favorite. fights of all time. >> cuz Mugabi was putting people in the. hospital. >> That was tough. >> Oh my god. Mugabi hit so [ __ ] hard. But that was the other thing about. Haggler Ben had a chin from hell. You. know, Haggler had extraordinary mandible.

muscles that like they they did a CAT. scan on him like a a scan of his head. They said the ma the muscles on the side. of his head. It's like he was born with. headgear or he developed it just from. biting down on a mouthpiece for so long. >> Yeah. Just But I love watching those old. school training footage videos. Like. there's some great ones of Sugar A. Robinson running in the mountains and. hitting the bag and and training and all. the calisthenics that he had to do. I.

think more people should see stuff like. that just to appreciate the amount of. discipline and work that it takes to get. into peak condition for a fight cuz I. just don't think they understand what. your mind has to go through to get up. for that every day over and over and. over and over and over until you're. finally in the ring. Like the ring is. almost the easy part. >> Easiest. It's tough. It's like, you.

know, when when we in Colorado and we. got to run the mountain, like sometimes. I'll be like, "Man, I ain't running this. long." Like, "I don't care." Like, and. then it be like, "You going to get your. ass whooped. You better get your ass. up." Or Bo will come in there and be. like, "Let's go." I be like, "Man, Bo, let's go." I don't [laughter]. Bo got the saying. anytime I'm giving. him some push, he'd be like, "I'm not. about to argue with you for you to be. great. Let's go." Like, "That's great to.

have someone with you like that.". >> Hey, right. I like here we go. >> He's been with you from the beginning. >> From the from the start. >> That's so big, too. >> And it and it's crazy because the days. that I don't want to do nothing is the. craziest days that I do the best, you know? And. >> cuz you conquered that inner [ __ ]. >> that thing inside you that wants to not. do it. I'm the [ __ ] man. >> Yeah. Steen be like he was like when you. don't want to do something. It's like.

you trying to hurry up and get it over. with. So you trying to do it fast. So. like my best times is when I don't want. to do it. [laughter]. Like my best [snorts] sparring is when I. want to spar because it's like I'm like, "All right, I'm gonna [ __ ] you up. because I ain't about to play with you. I ain't about to go in here doing all. this extra [ __ ] you know, or I don't. want to get hit, you know. So, it's like. your best days is when you don't want to. do it. >> Yeah. >> You know, that's when I perform the best. in the in the in the gym and stuff like. that. So, yeah, man. A lot of a lot of.

young fighters when they come and see my. training, they see what I go through. three times a day. So, it's eat, sleep, [ __ ]. work. You know, they like, "Man, you train too. hard." I'm like, "Ain't no such thing.". You know, Tim Bradley told me, "Hey, man, you got to rest. You got you got to. chill [laughter] out." Andre Ward, man, you [snorts] got to you got to rest, you. know. And.

these last two training camps, I took on their advice and took it just. a day off, like in a week. like every. week instead of training seven days a. week, I take one day off just not doing. nothing. And it helped me tremendously. on my recovery. >> really. >> Cuz I used to just do active rest on. Sunday. We'll do the incline. We'll just. do the incline. That's it. In the. morning, early in the morning, then we. have the whole day to recover.

But he like, "No, you got to just take. the whole day off not doing nothing and. just recover." And as you get as I got. older, you know, my last two training. camps, I took that advice and it's just. like, man, I'm like, man, I could have. did this years ago. I [laughter] was I. was I was just so like locked in like, >> right, >> if I take a day off, they going to have. a day up on me,

>> right? you know, and I was just like, I. can't do that. I was working. >> Well, it's a fine line where there's a. point of diminishing returns where you. put in too much work. >> Like seeing a guy fight when he's. overtrained is one of the saddest things. ever. It's like his drive actually. [ __ ] him. >> Yeah, >> I've seen it before in MMA. It happens. all the time. Especially guys that don't. use heart rate monitors don't monitor. their their resting heart rate when they. get up and down. >> I mean that my last two two camps. >> Oh, and that was the only two camps you.

did that. >> My last two camps. >> Wow. Interesting. Interesting. >> So like everything was. visual with with my coaches cuz they've. been with me so long, >> right? >> So they know when to pull back. >> Like some days they'll be like, "All. right, you know, >> you're peeking. >> You did four rounds. Nah, we we done.". be like, "Man, I got eight rounds. today." "Ah, you good." Be like, "What? You good? Don't worry about it. We'll. come back tomorrow." You know, and I'll. be like, "All right." You know, I will.

never question them, >> right? >> You know, or we come in there and they. be like, "All right, today we just going. to we going to shadow box and we going. to hit the mids, but I never question. them." But they already knew, >> right, >> by watching me, you know, along the. weeks to pull me back, when to pull me. back. >> And then it started getting, you know, to me, and I'm like, "Oh, okay. So now I. know what they like, they not going to. let me overtrain because they know I'm. going give it my all every time I train. and anything I do. So they just pull me. back like, "All right, well we going to.

just do yoga today and we going to do. boxing work. We ain't going to do no, you know, strength conditioner or we not. going to do no roll work or we not going. or we just going to swim. We not instead. of running, we going to swim, you know.". So some days they flip-flop. That's the. beauty of having a really good trainer. >> Yeah, for sure. >> And someone is really paying attention. to you and really and knows you like. knows the signs, knows when you're a. little sluggish, knows when you're. peeking a little early. >> Yeah.

>> To pull you back. Yeah. >> And anybody say that you train too hard? It's like. >> compared to who? >> Compared to who? you know, like uh it. it's whether or not you've built your. body up to the point where you're doing. that for so many years that your body's. conditioned to go that hard, you know, because there's people that used to say. that if you run a marathon, like you. need like six months off. I had a. friend, it was my friend Cameron Haynes, he runs ultramarathons. When he was. training for a 250 mi run, he was. running a marathon every day. >> Every day. Most people, the conventional.

wisdom was you can't do that. >> Yeah, you can. >> Yeah. You just got to get up to that. So. if a fighter is slacking off in between. camps and getting fat and drinking and. [ __ ] off and then they get back in. the camp, yeah, you can't do three hard. a day like that. >> Yeah. >> But if you're already in shape and. you're already conditioned and you have. built up this base of years and years of. doing this, your conditioning will be so. much better. One of the things that I. notice in young fighters in particular, especially in MMA, is how tired they get.

in a three- round fight. Just a three. round MMA fight, how tired they get. And. I'm sure they train hard, but they don't. train as hard as these guys who don't. get tired in a five round fight. So, what is the difference? Well, it's the. years and years of building up that. cardio base, not [ __ ] up your body, not partying, >> knowing how to breathe. >> Uhhuh. >> That's the most important. >> Being efficient. Yeah, >> cuz when I. my first time at the UFC,

when I did strength condition, you know, I was like, man, this I'm not getting. nothing out of it. It's easy. And it was. like, well, it's not meant to break you. or kill you. You you going you going to. see the difference. And I'm just like, man, when I'm when I'm doing UFC back. back at home, like I'm sore. like I'm. not sore, you know, the next day when. I'm doing strength condition here, but.

like gradually you start seeing the. results, >> right? >> You know, and it's like, damn. You know, and it's a science behind it. >> Yes. >> You know, and I was just like in my. mind, I'm like, man, I'm not working. hard enough because I'm I'm used to. working hard and I'm going home and I'm. like, oh, that was a good workout. I. feel it. like psychologically I'm like I. don't feel like I did nothing, you know, because my body is in so in shape, you. know? I'm like, man, I I need to do.

more. And they're like, you good. You. did a lot today, you know. I'm like, all. right. So, like gradually I'm starting. to see the effects. >> Mhm. >> You know, I'm like, "Oh, okay." So, maybe he was working me out too too. hard, you know, and I'm I'm getting. stronger and everything. I'm just like, okay, you know, it's all it's all a. science. >> that it really is a science. And you. know, the problem with fighters is, especially elite fighters, is they're so. driven, you know, and sometimes you. can't let the dragon off the chain. You.

got to like slow down. Slow down. >> We got to do this. We got to progress. Progress over time. >> and get to that perfect point the week. before the fight where you just settle. in and then fight time. That's my guy. Gavin. Gavin just like, "Oh, don't. worry. We. >> steps.". >> Well, that's the beautiful thing about. having someone that you could trust that. really knows what they're doing. Yeah. >> And you know, there's a lot of young. fighters that are just all gas, no. breaks, and they might be costing.

themselves a little bit, but then. there's a lot of lazy fighters like, "Yeah, I don't want to overtrain.". >> Yeah. >> Like, no, no, no. You're undertraining. That's why you get tired all the time. You're not in good enough shape to be. doing the proper workout that you need. to do to really prepare for a fight. >> Yeah. It's just this [ __ ] dance, man. It takes forever to to learn. It takes. forever, you know? That's why like a lot. of fighters, they reach their prime when. they get into their 30s because they get. it all dialed in. They know what they. need. They know what they need to do.

>> They know what a camp really feels like. >> They prepare for it. >> Been there, they're experienced. >> Yeah. >> You know, so yeah, they definitely know. their body. They know when they in. shape, when they out of shape, what they. need, when they need a little more. Experience is the best teacher, I would. say. >> Well, experience and then listening to. people like you. That's a big factor. listening to people that have done it. all and you know and that wisdom the.

just the things that you've said on this. podcast today. I guarantee you right now. there are hundreds of thousands of. [ __ ] future fighters that are. listening to this right now and that are. probably like taking it all in. Okay? Because you know in the early days you. don't know what the [ __ ] to do. You. don't know what what's what's the what's. the right approach is his approach is. his approach like what's the right. mentality? What's the right mindset? What's who are the right coaches? Which. is a big factor. You get a bad coach and.

get stuck with a bad coach and it'll. limit your development. >> Yeah, for sure. >> For sure. And that that goes back to. styles. When I said I was trying to. coach everybody to the same style and. everybody ain't meant to be trained the. same. Everybody don't have the same, >> you know, mental capacity to process. things the same way. Some people process. things different. >> That's kind of like yelling at a. fighter, you know, that that motivated.

me. Sometimes that break fighters. They. like, "Haha, I'm getting yelled at. I'm. doing something wrong." And. >> you know, so um we look at them like, "Man, toughen up.". >> You know, but nowadays it's different. Like everything don't flock the same. with one fighter like it do the same. >> You got to figure out what what gets. your fighter going. Yeah. >> Yeah. And that's a that's another. interesting dance. >> I don't envy those people because your.

livelihood depends upon another person. performing, which is kind of crazy. It's. a crazy way to live your life. >> That's any sports. >> Yep. Like I always say, sometimes I. blame the coaches, but for the most. part, the players and the fighters and. the athletes, they got to go out there. and perform. I could tell you go out. there and do this, but if you don't go. do it, then that's on you. Now, coaches, they can make the I mean, they can get. out coached.

>> They can call the wrong plays at the. wrong times, different like that. But. >> all in all, if he go out there and miss. a tackle, if he go out there and not. catch the ball, why am I getting fired, >> right? [laughter]. >> They going to blame me. You know what I. mean? So, >> that's true. >> Hey, I can't make him hit the three. I. can't make him, you know, D up. So, I'm. getting fired because they not. performing. >> You're also getting fired by people that. don't totally understand all the subtle.

nuances of what you do if you're a. coach. >> Yeah. >> Like, if they're not a coach, how could. you really understand if you're not day. in day out with these athletes. [clears throat]. in their head, working with them, seeing. what they're doing, improving upon their. strengths, strengthening their. weaknesses? If you're if you're not. doing that, you just are seeing results. >> That's all you see. You're judging based. on results. And you don't really know. who's a good coach and who's not. Cuz if. you're a good coach, you got [ __ ]. athletes. >> Yeah. >> You can only go so far. >> That's it. And it's tough.

>> Yeah. >> It's tough to, >> you know, go across the middle and try. to catch a bullet without when you know. the safety about to come in later, >> the the crazy slap on you. >> Yep. you know, and it's crazy to go up, you know, on a sevenfooter trying to. shoot a shoot a three. Like, it's hard. at a professional level to do what these. athletes is doing, but they making it. seem like it's easy. >> on the outside for us. And we like, man, you didn't catch the ball. It's like,

man, [laughter] you try to catch that. ball with three people, you know what I. mean, on you, you know, coming full. speed and you got to worry about getting. your feet in bounds and things like. that. It's so much. >> Well, it's like TFO's corner during the. secure fight. You got to hit him. [laughter]. >> You got to hit him. Like, what do you. think I'm trying to do? >> Tell me how to hit him. Tell me how to. set up to hit him. Don't just tell me. you got to hit him. You know, and that. that that goes in to saying that.

>> everybody shouldn't be a coach, >> right? >> You know, because now you're not giving. me no instructions. >> You you going off of emotions and you. just telling me, "Hey, you got to hit. him. You you not hitting him. What are. you doing?". >> Yeah. >> Now, what if Tio would have said, "What. is you doing?" Cuz you not telling me. nothing. You see me trying to hit him, but he moving. >> You know, like what what I supposed to. do? I'm swinging and I'm I'm missing. >> so tell me how to set it up to him. >> But there's really nothing anybody could.

have told him. >> Yeah. >> The gap was just too wide. >> at that point, >> right? >> Yeah. They should have studied more in. training. But even then, it's like the. problem is years. It's years of. advancement. It's years of intelligent. boxing. It's years of setups. It's years. of skills. I think when a a fighter have. a good coach that's knowledgeable. and they believe in a coach and a coach. asks him to do something and they.

believe that that's going to work, they'll try it. You know, if your coach. tell you, "All right, listen. He's. stepping back every time you step in.". So that means for every time he step. back, you got to step in twice and. double double the jab and close the. distance and let your hands go when you. get in range. And that fighter go out. there and do what the coach asked him to. do and he's successful. >> Then that's a different ball game. >> That's a different ball game. >> because now you listening to your coach,

but your coach is seeing what the other. fighter is doing that's making him be. more successful. >> Technical instruction. >> There you go. >> Yeah. >> You can't just go go out there and hit. them. Crazy. >> Tell Tell me how to dip. >> I hear that [ __ ] in the corner. I'm. like, "Good Lord, what are you saying?". >> Yeah. >> You hear it in MMA all the time. You got. to put it on him. Oh. Oh, I didn't know. [laughter]. Oh, I got to put it on him. All this. time, I just was hoping it would just. happen. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, listen, man. Congratulations. on everything. You had a fantastic,

spectacular, like one of a generation career. So, it's beautiful to watch. And as a fan, uh, I'm honored that you came in here. and I think what you've done is just. [ __ ] incredible. So, congratulations. on everything and enjoy it. Enjoy all. the rest of your life cuz you earned it. all. >> Definitely. >> Thank you very much. >> All right. Bye, everybody.

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