JRE MMA Show #171 with Brendan Allen

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> All right. What's happening, brother? >> Thanks for having us. >> My pleasure. So, Jamie, what were you. just saying? >> I I I stopped you because it sounds so. crazy. Uh Trump said there's going to be. eight to nine title fights at the White. House UFC event and that they're I guess. in quotes withholding. title fights right now.

>> There's only eight weight classes. So. how's there going to be nine title. fights? >> BMF fight. Maybe had a BMF. Maybe have. all BMF, >> I guess. But that's kind of a crazy. thing. We're going to have 20 title. fights. All the title fights it's ever. been. Um did he say any matchups? >> No, he didn't say who. He just said. they're going to Oh, I see if there's. even like a tweet about it, but I just. saw him talking about it. There's like a. I don't know, press conference or. something. >> Well, if they don't do Jon Jones at the. White House, I think it'd be a travesty.

>> for sure. >> They need to do that. Come on. Dana's. like, "You can't count on them. You. can't [ __ ] count on them. Come on. Stop.". >> When he wants to, he's gonna he's gonna. make it happen. >> At the White House, come on. Jon Jones. versus, >> let's see, what does it say here? Donald. Trump predicts eight or nine. championship. fights. Uh, okay. It would literally have to be. every weight class fighting for the. title, which would be nuts. Everyone,

everyone's a championship fight. Everyone's a legendary type of fighter. Yeah, he's actually holding back fights. right now for six months so he can do it. in the 15th of June. Trump continued. mean uh seemingly meaning 14th of June. Uh yeah. Uh arena is going to be 5,000. or 6,000 seats right in the front door. of the White House. 100,000 people in. the back where they're putting up eight. or 10 very big screens. What kind of. [ __ ] security are they going to have.

for this? >> Got to be insane. >> Yeah. >> Are you trying to get on this? >> I mean, not really. >> Not really. It doesn't seem. >> I can't I can't imagine like you said. the security, the behind the scenes, how. much stuff's really going to happen. I'm. just like, uh, >> a lot of weird pressure, too, >> because it's like all the security and. the protocols, all that extra [ __ ] in. your mind before you have to go out. there and fight. >> Yeah, it just seems like a lot like a. lot more than what it needs to be. I'm. sure it's going to be cool to watch, you. know, kind of like what was the uh Yeah,

kind of cool to watch like that. But. >> also, you're fighting outside. >> Yes, that's what I like. What are they. going to do? put a roof over it. Like. what happens if it rains? Then what are. you doing? >> What if it's hot and muggy? That's going. to affect people. >> I've watched them do outside fights in. Louisiana. Oh man. >> Oh god. Louisiana's the You can cut that. air, >> dude. You got to see everyone slipping. and sliding. It's so humid. >> Oh, that's terrible. >> Did you ever see that King of the Cage. fight that they did where it was. raining? >> I seen a highlight of it, but I never. watched the whole. >> Yeah. It was called King of the Cage,

Wet and Wild, and it rained out. This. was in the day when we we used to have. to uh put on fights at Indian casinos. I'm pretty sure Eddie Bravo was doing. the commentary back then and um they it. rained out and so they were like, "What. do you guys want to do?" And uh. everybody's like, "Well, we want to get. paid so I guess we have to fight." So. they fought in the [ __ ] rain. I mean, it was crazy cuz the. >> How do you do that? >> I don't remember what the canvas was. made out of. It might have been slick. It might have been like a vinyl can. It.

might it might not have been like a. canvas like the UFC's canvas, which is. actual canvas. It might have been like a. jiu-jitsu mat type situation, which. >> it was in Louisiana with the humid. So, I can't imagine the rain. The rain's got. to be crazy. >> It was pouring. It was pouring down on. people. See if you can find some. highlights of King of the Cage Wet and. Wild. >> It's got to be worse than blood on the. canvas or blood on the vinyl, >> right? It has to be. It has to be the. the worst. >> Just doesn't stop. Just. >> How bad are those [ __ ] logos? Do the. logos get problematic when they get wet.

>> on the canvas. >> in the middle? Yeah, in the middle of. the octagon. Oh, here it is. Yeah, look. at that. Look at that. That is like That. looks It's hard to tell what it actually. is, but it looks like like vinyl. >> Got rubber shoes on, maybe. >> Yeah, these guys are fighting with shoes. on, which helps a little. You see, this. is back when there was like zero rules. >> Poncho. My man's little poncho. That's. hilarious. Look at these. Oh, these guys. are barefoot. Look at these guys sliding. around. This is so crazy. They're. throwing punches and slipping. This is.

like a total like like winos. parking lot of a liquor store. >> Imagine everyone didn't know it was. raining. Be like, "Man, you got rocked. like 30 times." No, bro. I didn't get. rocked. It was wet, >> right? How do you judge like what shots. do damage? This is like so silly. Oh, look. They got a guy come out here with. a a thing to slide the water off the. side. >> Yeah, that's not helping. This is so. crazy. They're doing this. Look at the. fighters are helping. >> That is funny. >> The fighters are moving towels around.

That is so ridiculous. >> You get an extra 30 seconds break if you. wipe off the canvas. >> Yeah, right. That's funny. That's funny. Yeah. Um, so who knows what's going to. happen. I guess they'll probably have to. have some sort of a roof over it. But. what if it's like 98 degrees outside? >> It's going to be crazy. >> It's June in Baltimore or in Maryland. rather. And you know DC? >> Yeah. >> Whatever that is. It's like DC is It's. not even a state. DC gets hot. It gets. hot in the summer. >> It's gonna be crazy. I I always wonder. like how much behind the scenes work.

goes into like for the sphere for. example because obviously they have. everything else down to a science. But. >> maybe redo that. >> That's going to be crazy. >> Abu Dhabi. That's right. We did a live. one outdoor in Abu Dhabi. I remember. that. That was when um BJ fought Frankie. Edgar. >> Wow. >> Yeah. And Anderson. go. >> Damen Mia. >> Damen Mer. That's right. That's right. Oh, that's right. That was That was like. Damen Anderson and Damen had real beef. and so Anderson was like yelling at him.

in the first round, tried to kill him in. the first round and then he kind of ran. out of gas. >> and so he just kind of coasted for the. remainder of the fight and Dana was. really pissed. >> cuz he just coasted and won a decision. >> I could re just put that back out there, >> I guess. But that wasn't good, dude. By. the way, in Abu Dhabi, they had these. bugs that were flying around the size of. small birds. It was It was crazy. I was. like, "This is cuz you know, you're in. the desert. >> It's very weird.". >> Very weird having an outdoor fight in. the desert.

>> It's like mosquitoes in Louisiana, man. They come out of them swamp water and I. don't know what they're doing, but. they're huge. >> Well, back in the day, they used to have. fights like that in Vegas. They used to. have boxing matches outside. Caesar's. Palace used to have them outside. Yeah. >> See if you can find some of those. Uh, I. know. I want to think like they had some good. fights outside like some world. championship fights that were outside. Caesar's Palace. >> I think it'd be cool to say you did, but. I don't think I want to do it at this. level if something does go wrong.

>> You're too close. You're too close. Brandon Allen, you're knocking at the. door, dude. You're right there. You're. right there. >> It's crazy. I just saw Chamaya made a. post today saying that he's he's only. going to do one more at 85 and then he's. going up. >> What? >> Yeah. My wife sent it. He's going to go. to 205. >> That's what he said. >> That's crazy. >> She translated for me. It was in. Portuguese. >> Oh, wow. Look at this. That's Caesar's. spouse. >> Dang. >> Yeah, that's crazy. >> I never knew that. Never. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> They had big fights there, too.

Look at how big that is. Oh my god. That's so crazy. But again, Vegas. outside must be so hot. >> Has to be. That dry heat is something. That's crazy. Imagine being all the way. in the back of that thing. You ain't. seeing nothing. They don't got no screen. up for the TV or nothing. >> Who was that right there? Who was that? Oh, Tommy Hearns fought there. >> Roberto Durant. >> Tommy Hearns. Roberto Durant was. outside. Dang, >> that's crazy. In 1984. Wow. >> That's way before my time.

>> Yeah. Way before. I guess that was They. probably didn't even have an arena back. then that could keep those guys in it. I. wonder when they started putting arenas. in Vegas. >> That's a good question. It was probably. It probably started for those big boxing. matches. >> Ask Perplexity. >> Yeah. Ask Perplexity, our sponsor. When. did they start putting an arena in. Vegas? I'm going to say 90. because I think Vegas in the beginning.

was just all about gambling. And if. there was a show, it was at at a. showroom in Vegas like Yeah. >> You know, if you went to see Sinatra or. something like that, it was probably. just a couple thousand people. Probably. wasn't that big. It's crazy to see like. how Vegas is growing. Like even like. before my time I see pictures, but even. since like I fought what amateur worlds. in Vegas, I wasn't even old enough to go. in the casino. So they had to like walk. me around in the flamingo, I believe. >> Oh, that's crazy. You couldn't go in the. casino. >> Didn't do nothing. If I walked on the. floor, they were on me. I'm like, "Bro, I don't. >> How old were you?".

>> 18. >> Oh, wow. >> 17. 18. No, 18. Yeah, 18 about turn 19. And man, they were on me. I'm talking. about like they must have had a watch on. me. I stepped on the floor just to go. across to get like uh to the drink. machine. >> Well, that was probably a big concern. that if you have underage competitors. and that they're wandering around the. casino, they could lose their license. >> Yeah, cuz we stayed at the link. It was. brand new at the time. And then we. walked across to Flamingo. We fought. there every every time until the finals. The finals was in the UFC expo in the.

middle of the expo, which was cool. because they had like the Hall of Fame. ceremony going on. You were there. I've. seen you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it was cool. But uh yeah, it's. crazy just to see it from there till. till now. Like how much it's grown and. changed and. >> wow, >> it's it's pretty crazy. Like. >> when did you first start training? How. old were you? >> 13. >> And what did you start with? >> Jiu-jitsu. I didn't even like really. mean to to be honest. Like I was playing. football. I love football. And um my. brother came home because he switched. schools and his friend was like, "Hey, you want to do jiu-jitsu?" And we was.

watching, you know, UFC on the weekends. That was like Randy Couture, Chuck. Liddell Trilogy, all those guys. So, we. watched them on the weekends and um. he asked. So, we went there and looked. and I was still playing football with. football season and um my dad's like, "You want to try it?" I was like, "I. watched the class and I was like, "Dad, I want to do it." And he's like, "Okay, we use the trial gear." I was like, "Dad, I don't want to borrow geese. Can. you can we can you buy me one?" My. parents didn't have much money. We were. My dad was just starting to do okay for. himself at that point. He's like, "If I. buy you this ghee, I promise you for the. rest of the year, you're coming three.

times a week at least." I was like, "Yes, sir.". So started and never looked back. A. couple months later, my brother and my. dad joined me and we did it all together. for a little while. Then my brother. found girls and. >> he went his way. So yeah, it's been a long. >> that's derailed a lot of young. prospects. >> It definitely got him. It definitely got. him, man. That life took him elsewhere. and I don't know. Luckily I stayed. He. would have been better than me though. He was a lot tougher and. >> Yeah, but it's a lot. Is he the older.

brother? It's usually the younger. brother that winds up being the real. good fighter because the That's the. thing. That's the thing. You learn. resilience. You learn how to be the. nail, >> you know, and the older brother often. times is too comfortable being the. hammer. >> Yeah. But my dad would put him in his. place. So luckily he was he was used to. being the nail a little bit too, you. know. My dad's a big man. So um Yeah, man. Life is crazy. >> So when did you start striking? Well, my. dad boxed when he was younger and his.

his grandfather taught him how to box. and he was like uh. he did something uh like won like a. golden gloves in the military or. something back when they had like the. the boxing gloves that were made with. like horse hair. >> Oh wow. >> Yeah. So um he taught my dad to box and. so my box my dad boxed in high school so. he was kind of teaching me a little. stuff here and there growing up but you. know how it is man. Who listens to their. father? Now I look back and I'm like, man, I wish I would have listened more. And I say stuff that he was like, "What'. I tell you 10 years ago, you know?". >> Um, but I started striking probably like.

>> 15, maybe 15 and a half, somewhere. around there. But it was all grown men. back then, especially like where I came. up at. There's no like beginners classes. or anything like that. And. >> these guys are 24, 25, 26. I mean, >> there's been a couple of times, man, I. got hit and I thought my jaw was broken. I start crying. I mean, like smack and. just like I couldn't open my mouth. And. >> that's the problem with a lot of boxing. gyms in particular is that when new guys. come in, they just beat them up. >> Yeah, they did. They beat me up.

>> They don't they don't box you like spar. you rather. They fight you. >> and they know how to fight and you don't. know how to fight. >> You know, one of my best friends uh who. was with me like I started with him was. Kurt Haliva and him and Dustin Pouier. were the two biggest where we were from. at that time. So I remember uh Tim. Crater reached out to Kurt. >> Crazy Tim. >> Yep. and he was like, "Uh, hey, why. don't you'all come sparring? We got. Dustin." I think Dustin was just about. to go to WEC or he was he was right. around there at that time. So, we're. like, "Let's go." Kurt's like, "Hey, you.

want to go?" "Yeah, let's go." So, we go. over there for sparring. And I'm. sparring this guy, man. He had to be. like. 5 foot one. Like, he was tiny, short, and uh Kurt goes with Dustin. And I'm. sitting here trying to watch them go cuz. I mean, they're throwing, they're. fighting, they're they're not sparring. And this guy's hitting me and I'm like. get off me like trying to watch and the. same day like so we sparred like I don't. know four or five rounds. It was nice. and then uh and I'm only like 14 15. years old at this time and then it was.

start on the ground in your guard and uh. I go with Dustin because everyone like. said my jiu-jitsu was good. It was for. that time but I was still just a kid. Dude, he hit me so hard when they said. literally when they said go, it was like. boom, right in my mouth and I was like, "Well, I guess this is what we're. doing." I hurried up and grabbed and. tried to sweep and all that kind of. stuff. But man, I never forget that. moment to this day. Like last time I. trained with Dustin, I was like, "Hey, you remember that time you you beat me. up like I'm not little no more. >> You had three weight classes above him.".

>> Yeah. Yeah. So like I see all the guys. like that. There's one guy in particular. if I see him I told everyone I'm. whooping his ass. One guy you don't want. to name him? >> His name's Jart. >> Oh, okay. >> Great guy, nice guy. Training, I never. forget the day he hit me so hard and. thought my jaw was broke. I'm like, and. I was little. Like, now I'm a grown man. Like, >> it is so hard to find like reasonable. sparring. It's so hard to find people. that are like willing to not hit you.

full blast and like preserve each other, you know, that like, hey, we're all in. this together. You help me, I help. And. if you can get that, my god, you. progress so much faster. >> if you're in there just there's. something to be said for going through. the fire and understand what it's like. to be in a war with guys, but. >> there's something also to be said for. like learning how to recover and like. having more training sessions and not. getting concussions all the time. >> Yeah. is like Shawn Jordan was the first. to tell me that was like uh he came and.

trained and obviously you know Shawn's. huge super athletic guy heavyweight you. know and I'm talking about I watched him. and this other big man they were. sparring and it was literally like. touching each other so I asked him after. cuz everyone else is fighting. >> and I'm like man what how come you don't. spar so hard. >> he looked at me and started laughing. he's like Brendan at this time I think. he was like 270 somewhere around there. and he's I'm 270 pounds. I fought some. of the biggest guys, like biggest names.

in the world at the time. He's like, I. know how to fight. If I if I go full. blast or he goes full blast, one of us. is going to get hurt and then we're not. going to fight anymore. Like we're not. going to we're not going to make money. for our family. So I always I always. took that in. And obviously I'm not like. a huge guy like they were. But it's like. even like when I was training in. Florida, I knew when me and Robocop go, we're fighting. Like I know it. >> That guy is scary. You know, >> both of you guys like how the [ __ ] are. you making 185 pounds and you're on a. smaller side in comparison to him?

>> Yeah, dude. It's my weight cuts way. harder than his. >> Is it? >> Yeah. He walks Dude, surprisingly, I. asked him before cuz he he has, you. know, he has a great like physique, right? He's big guy. When I see him, I'm. like, "Bro, how much you weigh?" He's. like, "Oh, like 205." I said, "No way. No way." He's like, "I'll step on the. scale right now." Steps on the scale. 206. I was like, "No way.". You got bird bones. That doesn't even. make any sense. >> I have no idea. I thought the same. thing. But me, I step on the scale. I. mean, right now I'm probably like 225, but I haven't done nothing since I.

fought. But I stay around 215, 220, and. I'm the runt of my family. So, like, my. body wants to get bigger, but I'm like, uh, I got unfinished business here. So, yeah. Joe's Joe's a a big 85. Joe Piper. >> Oh, yeah. He's he's. huge. >> He has a hard cut. That's why I'm like. when he gets. >> Yeah. I like how is that guy how is that. guy 185 when I stand next to him I'm. like how. >> same. >> I can't believe he walks around 205 cuz. that doesn't even make sense. >> that's what I seen him hey if it's a lot.

guys strike me down now cuz. >> I think he rigged that scale. >> he must well we was all using it. >> he probably had his heels on the ground. >> there he was I was super surprised my. boy Tukco was with me we was all in the. room I was like cuz I called him out on. it everyone else wouldn't say it I was. like nah. >> was it after training after training. >> Okay. And both of you after training. >> Yeah. But and it wasn't a hard day. Like. that day was not a hard day. Like we. weren't like. >> sweating. It wasn't like a five, six. pound practice day, right? >> It was a pretty chill day into the week. >> Even if it was, I'd still be surprised. If he was only 211, I'd be surprised,

>> dude. But I know like when he had other. fights, >> uh he was a little bit bigger because he. wanted to be. I didn't understand. But. still that you know, but Joe, I think. Well, the Ritter probably has to be the. biggest 85. Like. >> he's enormous. He was he was bigger than. I expected and I seen him but I like in. the gym I never went close to him. because I I I rolled with him like one. time in a in a quick thing. It was like. a minute long but like still I was. surprised when when we stepped in there. like we set up to each other at faceoffs.

and I was like I was expecting to be a. little bit bigger. I don't know maybe I. make everyone bigger in my head but he. was really long. Like even when we stood. next to each other his hands felt like. they touched his knees. I was like all. right it's going to be interesting. Yeah, I was surprised when I'm when I. first met him in the UFC when he first. came over. I was like because I saw him. fighting one and I knew he fought at I I. believe he fought at 205 and 85 over. there. Right. >> Right. >> And when I saw him, I was like, how the. [ __ ] are you making 185 lbs? Like you. look like a light heavyweight. This. episode is brought to you by Happy Dad.

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Please drink responsibly. Happy Dad Hard. Seltzer tea and lemonade is a malt. alcohol located in Orange County, California. >> They were worried about that when he. came over because he never made a real. true 85 cuz you know they have the. >> hydration class. >> The hydration so he can weigh in at 204. but fully hydrated and they still know. how to finesse that. Like I just learned. like how they finesse that. How does. they finesse that? >> So they drink a whole bunch of water. >> and then they go they don't pee, they. don't do nothing. They drink that water. and then go cut the weight. It stays in.

their stomach. So when they piss piss it. out, it's clear. It's all good. So they. they they test that hydration. They test. they're hydrated, but they're really. not. >> Oh, >> they already went and sweat out a whole. bunch. So they drink it. They just hold. it. >> That's how all the guys do it. Some guys. mess it up, but that's majority how. everyone does it. >> And so they. >> So you just drink a whole ton of water. and just hold your piss as long as. possible. >> Yeah. They make sure like they probably. drink like two cups and then they're. just gonna hold and then they'll go cut. for like an hour like sweat sweat sweat. sweat sweat and then they say when they.

show up to the hydration that's I've. heard that from like four people that. have done it and they said yeah bro I. learned from this guy and I learned from. this guy. I was like wowing I knew there. had to be some sort of a catch to it. >> Yeah. So they and they say it's a lot. it's it's more unhealthy than like. cutting weight over here to like really. make the weight because it I don't know. I'm not a scientist or a doctor but they. they my friends that are into all that. stuff were like explaining like how it. works and I was like man that's crazy. and but he was a guy that never made a. true 186 so they were worried and then.

he did and I know like I know for a fact. he's come in I don't know what he came. in on my fight week. >> but I think uh the one before that he he. came in Monday I believe at 2:10. 10 210. to fight week. So I was like, >> [ __ ] I come in at 206 and I'm. stressing. I'm like, ah, 203 is like my. number. >> Well, I think that contributes to the. fact that he gasses, you know, I just I. think it's just too much of a strain. And he's he's talked kind of vaguely, not not real clearly, about problems.

that he's had with his health. And, you. know, I I've got to think that has to do. with weight cuts. So many guys have. kidney problems. >> For sure. For sure. And it's weird. because like in the fight with him like. I knew like in the first round. to feel like obviously adrenaline's. flowing everything. So you're even. everything's intensified, right? So I. could feel how tight he was squeezing. I. mean he was squeezing like his legs. everything. He was trying to where I. couldn't move. So I just make little. adjustments and make him move a little.

bit. He'd punch a very rarely but I was. like there's impossible. It's impossible. for you to keep this up for 25 minutes. It's impossible. I know you're not going. to do it. >> So, just b my time. Um, plus I didn't. want to gas either because it was short. for me. Short notice, five five rounds, you know, >> it was a little worrisome, but I knew he. couldn't. I knew we couldn't and um I. like we did a lot of prep for him. specifically and we saw the Russian that. he fought in one and I was like, we had. our game plan before we watched it and.

then we watched it and was like, >> here we go. >> Yeah. >> That's why everyone asked me like what's. going to happen? I'm going to break him. >> He's he's tough. He is tough, but you. know, like. >> Well, if he comes out with that. mentality, if he's trying to go full. blast 100% in the first round in a five. round fight, like we. >> Right. Exactly. >> Nobody can really do that. >> Yeah. And like I told the guys like. because obviously he trains where I was. training and uh they all know they all. know me, you know, so it's like if you. think you're going to come out here and. it and he said in his interviews like.

I'm a frontr runner. I'm not good long, but I approach a three- round fight. differently than I approach a five round. fight. So, I was like, "All right, we'll. see." And it kind of backfired. >> Well, it was a big win for you. >> Thank you. >> Huge win. You look fantastic in that. fight. >> Thank you. >> You know, it's like there's just so many. talented people in the division. It's so. hard to stand out and sometimes, >> you know, you take a guy like Derritter. who just got done stopping Bo Nickel and. a lot of lot of momentum on his side. He. looks real good. You beat Kevin Holland,

submitted him, looks real good, and then. you came along and stole that momentum. >> Yeah, it was it was weird to be honest. because like when he got there, I was. like, I want to fight him just because. like things of like he fought one of my. friends, which now I guess they're best. friends. But. >> who was that? >> Uh Angla. Okay. >> He took both his titles from him, >> right? >> So like there was no animosity, but I. was like I want to test my You're a. ground guy. Like I'm a ground guy. Let's. let's see. Um and then it happened. and. he got there to UFC and I was like I. want to fight him. Like I was obviously.

I think at the time I was like 12 ranked. somewhere around there but I was like. let him get one two and obviously his. name's going to carry him you know. So. that came and I never forget I was uh. leaving an LSU game. I was uh in the parking lot. My manager. called and I was like man can we just. get a fight please? I've been asking for. like three months. like please I just. want to fight cuz I'm very like I get in. this mode to where I just want to fight. and I don't I'll just keep bugging him. bugging him like you want me to call.

Mick you want you want me to call Hunter. like and he was like no no no no but. anyway so I stayed on him he called me I. was like uh hey what about uh. uh uh the Ritter he was like oh come on. man he had just fought I think he beat. Gerald and um he was like I I think I. can make this happen text me back a. couple minutes hey they're good to go. The next day they called back and they. were like, "No, they're not going to get. the fight. Like, they don't want this. fight. It's it's not the right time." I. was like, "All right." They're like, "What about Fluffy?" I was like, "I.

asked for him two months ago." So, that's when I end up fighting Fluffy. And um it just so happened he fought the. Bone Nickel, got all that hype. And. I I don't know, man. Again, I was at a. LSU practice and um they called me and. they were like, "Hey, uh my manager. called me and he was like, "Um, just want you to know Fluffy's out. I. threw your name in the hat, but you're. not the front runner. It's Paulo Costa. He's He's the front runner, but I'm. pushing for you because I just saw Paulo. yesterday. I don't know how he's going.

to make 85 in four weeks. >> Yeah, he needs a lot of time to make. weight. There's He's another guy at 185. >> Do you think that it could ever be. possible for guys to just fight without. cutting weight? >> Wouldn't that be But wouldn't that be. better? >> It would be nice. >> Just wouldn't it be better like overall. for everybody? >> I think so. Yeah, for sure. Like here's. like if everybody just was honest about. what they actually weigh, >> you know, like find let's find out what. everybody actually weighs when you're in. shape, like when you're ready to fight.

and. >> make a contract to fight at that weight. because this whole weight cutting thing. is just legalized cheating. >> It it's it's so hard. And some guys are. so good at it, you know? >> Like how about Pereira? >> Dude, I don't know how he made 85. >> He would weigh 226 when he would fight. for the 185 pound title. >> Crazy. Doesn't even make any sense. >> I don't get how you can put on that much. weight. The most I ever put on was this. last fight. I was 207. >> Bro, he gained 40 something pounds. >> I don't get it. >> 40 lbs. >> in a day.

>> Blows my mind. >> What does that feel like? Like what does. that do to your body? >> I always wonder that cuz like this one. was this was tough for me. One month. full diet. Like I don't usually have. like you know a couple cheats and ease. into the diet like I'm starting to do. now cuz I'm hoping to fight in March. So, I'm already going to start, you. know, being cleaner and stuff. >> Are you concerned though that you could. get another of those last minute calls? Like, do you think like that? Like to. not get too heavy cuz if somebody calls. and says, "Hey, the big Paramount card, somebody fell out. It's January. Can you.

fight?". >> I think where I'm at it, it would have. to be like an interim title or something. like that. outside of that right now. Plus, like the reason I I'm so big and I. was out like I had fractures in my foot. so I had to, you know. >> Did you have fractures in your foot from. the fight or just you had him before the. fight? Oh god. >> Yeah. Which we didn't know. I just knew. it hurt. Like and to be honest with you, like I had them before the fight before. that, but I didn't know. Like I was just. like, man, it hurts. Like I thought it. was just like a muscle, so I just would.

roll it out, the gun it like you know. that's what I that was what I would do. >> How many fractures? They said they they. saw three, but they're small. >> There's like different like right where. like the toe meets the base of your. foot. >> Is it from elbows? >> I don't know. I don't It was on my lead. foot, too. So, I was like I don't even. know. Like I don't teep a lot cuz I'm. scared of like stuff like that. >> Yeah. >> Um Yeah. But I fought with crazy stuff, man. I tore my whole like ACL in half. >> Uh calves, everything when I fought Paul.

Craig. >> Did you really? >> Yeah. When that knee that calf slicer. >> Uhhuh. in half. >> It just blew your ACL out. >> Yes. >> Oh god. >> I didn't know. So like in the second. round when I go to throw the punch. Uh I. think it was Dominic Cruz. He was like, "Oh." They clipped each other and they. showed the replay and he hits my hand. He never hit like my face or anything. But. >> your knee just buckled. >> Yeah. It gave And you can see me reach. down to my knee in that moment. >> Oh wow. >> It was crazy. So afterwards we got that. But I was lucky like when it healed it, it like um. >> it fell to the bone like if they attach.

like up up here. >> Mine just reattached here. So I just. have a little bit more play and it's. still attached luckily. >> Really? >> Yeah. That's how you never got surgery? >> Never. I was very lucky. >> Wow. >> Insane. There's like three different. MRIs that show like fine, tore in half, rehealed. >> So it was a partial tail. >> No, they told me it in half. It cut in. half and then like fell. And when it. fell, I got lucky and it fell on the. bone. Just lower at a lower point. >> And it healed on the bone.

>> And it fused to the bone itself. >> What? >> Yes. How long did it take to do that? >> I don't know. The doctor said it could. It says it looked like it was torn maybe. like a slight tear before and that one. finished it. And the last MRI was. probably four or five months ago cuz I. had to get it for something else. >> Mhm. >> Fused to the bone. Perfect. You can see. it clear as day. The doctor showed me. I. was like, "That's pretty cool.". >> Did you get stem cells or anything on. it? >> Yeah, I did. I I did do a lot of stem. cells uh like through the UFC and stuff. They sent me that. >> That probably helped. Did you go down to.

Tijuana? No, they sent it to my doctor. No, they just. >> Oh, you sent Oh, they just sent it. >> It was nice. And they just sent a whole. bunch. Like my doctor was like, "Man, look how much they sent." I was like, "I. don't know what it's supposed to look. like. >> Fill it up. Let's go. >> Let's go." So, we injected that. But. yeah, man. I fight with all crazy stuff. cuz it's like I don't know. >> I don't know how to pull. >> That's the thing that people need to. realize that watch. Nobody fights at. 100%. Or very few people. Very, very. rarely. >> And I just don't know how to how to. pull. Like, I've never pulled from one. Knock on wood. I haven't pulled on one. fight in my career. And I've been pretty.

pretty messed up. I think my worst was. when I fought Emol to be honest. Physically I was like like as far as. like how my body was was pretty good. But I didn't realize like how much of a. toll cuz I like have a thyroid problem. and I I went years without getting it. checked. And um for like a while I was. feeling like real sluggish, real tired. Um no sex drive, nothing. Like I didn't. want to get out of bed. And um my weight. was just steady going up for the first. time in my life at that point. I hit 220.

and I was like, "What is going on?" Like. I'm still training. I'm eating clean. And uh anyway, I went to a specialist in. Florida and they tested everything like. T3, T4. And I never had T3 checked ever. And it was like seven times the normal. value, whatever that was supposed to be. I have it on a paper, whatever. They. gave me that and they were like, "Hey. man, I'm going to let you know." I was I. was fighting in three three or four. weeks in France and they were like, "Hey, this is going to take a month and. a half, two months to regulate and fully.

settle out." I was like, "I don't got. that kind of time. Just give me enough. to where my where my weight will come. down because I wasn't losing anything.". They're like, "It's going to do that. Don't worry. Within a week or two, that's going to happen." I was still. pretty tired, but I just kept pushing. We get to We went to uh London first. Stayed there a week because it was. cheaper for us than going to France. because he had my friend had family. there. Then we went to France and then. um I was still feeling like tired. I. that was the first camp in my life I. couldn't do more than two and a half. rounds the whole camp.

>> really. >> I I Bisanger was the only person that I. had to train with. Greg was hurt. Um. other guys were out. So I had Bisanger. every day. I paid him to to train with. me every day whenever I wanted sparring. anything. And um ask him I do good for. the first round. Halfway through the. second after that, I was dead. Like. dead. And I'm still hitting my runs, my. lifts, every training session. Like I'm. doing everything normal. But man, it was terrible. So the fight. comes and um they the the commission.

kind of like did super weird stuff. Like. I made weight and then like, "Oh, you're. getting drug tested." I'm like, "Okay, no problem." They're like, "No, no, no. You're going to get drug tested now, not. the night of the fight like normal." I. was like, "What?" I was like, I. literally just cut weight. Like, I don't. got to pee. I'm just now drinking fluid. They're like, doesn't matter. You can go. to your room. I was like, all right, I'll wait for a couple minutes. I waited. for like 10 minutes. I was like, "Hey, man. I'm just going to go to my room, try to sleep." And they were like, "Uh,

no, we don't have enough people. You. need to stay here." I stayed there for. two hours. They did uh finally I peed, just barely peed, and they did two vials. of blood. And they they got mad because. they did that one that they put on in. press, >> the gravity one, and they couldn't get. enough like and they were like. >> because you're dehydrated. >> Exactly. >> Do you think they were [ __ ] with you. because you were fighting in France. against a French guy? >> It was me and Moano. We were the us two. and one other person American. >> Was that when Mo was fighting Ben Was. Deni? >> Yes, sir. >> Oh, >> he he bitched about the same thing. But.

somehow he had. >> we're [ __ ] with you guys. >> Them two were up sleeping in their room. chilling. >> Oh, that's not an excuse. It does not. have to be an excuse. That's so dirty. >> It was It was It was frustrating, but. that's why like when I still think Evan. Involved is a cool guy, you know, like. he's deserved his title shot. I think. he's fully earned it, don't get me. wrong. But I I want to fight him again. where it's like I sparred him like a. month after that. He was at the gym and. I showed up at the gym and we sparred. We had a good time. But um I still think. he's a nice guy. I think he deserved a. spot, but I just want to fight him where.

everything's right. >> equal. And like you said, we're not. going to come in 100%. He's not I'm not. fine. I don't care if I got a messed up. hand, foot, whatever. But just an equal. plate. Like, >> well, it just sounds like you were. compromised. Look, a good example of. that was Pod Yan in his first fight with. Morab. >> Man, he looked great this weekend. >> [ __ ] What a masterclass. >> He looked great. I was so surprised. >> When you're going to fight a guy like. Morab, like that is the master class. Like, put on a clinic. >> I didn't honestly like I didn't think he.

was going to be able to do that for five. rounds. I thought he'd have one, maybe. maybe max two. And I thought Morab was. just going to do what Morab does. I was. so wrong, >> bro. His training camp must have been. hell. >> Had to. >> It had to be hell. >> Had to. >> Had to be. I mean, he must have done. some in I mean, it looked like it. I saw. some videos of it. It looked like he was. doing some wild strength and. conditioning and plyometrics and. >> he knew what he was in for. That's the. thing. If you're going to fight a guy. like Morab, it's like, you know what the. mountain is. >> You ready to climb it? >> For sure. And the first time they. fought, apparently he had a [ __ ] up. right hand and he he couldn't grapple.

with it and he couldn't throw punches. with it. So I rewatched the fight after. he said that I was like, "Oh, he's. barely using it." Like barely using his. right hand. >> Makes sense, right? >> Totally makes sense. And then also. psychologically, if you only got one. hand that everything now you have to. think, you know, you can't really throw. combinations. You have to think. >> Want to know how tough Uriah Faber is? Uriah Faber when he fought Mike Brown, he broke both hands. Both hands. I. remember that fight. He was throwing. elbows, both hands. >> He was one of my favorite fighters. I'll. never He was a guy that I wanted to be.

just like I even you you could ask my. dad, he'll laugh to this day. I was. like, "Dad, I don't want to be like my. dad's tall. Everyone's tall. I don't. want to be tall. I want to be like him.". He was like, "What?" Cuz that was the. fight. >> He was a beast. He was a beast back in. the day. You know, by the time he was. fighting in the UFC, I kind of think he. had had some of his best fights already, like the in the WC days. >> Dude, amazing fights. Oh, he was a. killer. >> I I still remember the Mike Brown coming. out party. Um, Josie Aldo, that was.

>> that's another example of how tough he. is when he fought Jos Aldo. And Josie. Aldo killed his leg, dude. Killed his. leg. It is the worst after leg I've ever. seen in my life. >> Other than Austin Hubard. You ever see. Austin Hubard? He got compartment. syndrome and had to have his whole leg. sliced open. >> from the top to the bottom to to. alleviate pressure and drain some of the. fluids. >> No way. It's the nastiest injury I've. ever seen. Google uh excuse me, look up. uh Austin Hubard uh images of uh I.

forget the fight. >> Oh, there it is. >> Look at his leg. That that black thing. That's his leg open. >> No way. >> Yeah, that's his tissue. >> Oh my days. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look at that. >> Oh my gosh. >> How insane is that, >> dude? He trains in Chicago with me. Oh, when I ask him. >> Look at that image. How How [ __ ]. insane is that image? That's his tissue. underneath there, man. >> Oh my god. >> Like, you have to like mature content. You have to click a link in Instagram to. be able to see it. >> Holy cow.

>> How nuts is that, man? >> Dude, that's gnarly. >> So, there's a drain. That tube that. you're seeing right there, that what. that is attached to is that drain that's. letting liquid drip out of his leg. So, compartment syndrome is so bad that. sometimes people when they don't get it. treated, they have to get their leg. amputated. >> Really? >> Oh, yeah. >> So, that was just from leg kicks from a. fight. just from leg kicks from a fight. I'm trying to remember who he fought. >> Jesus. >> Can we find out uh who he fought? >> It was a year ago. >> Oh, more than a year ago.

>> This this picture was 325 weeks ago. >> Yeah, but the fight was more than a year. ago. >> It was quite a while ago. >> But what is it like like a big bruise or. >> Well, it says 325. weeks ago. >> Oh, 300. Yeah. [ __ ]. >> 325 weeks ago. Yeah. Um, so it was quite a while ago, but I I. see if who you find out who he fought, >> but what it's just like your your leg. just stays like bruised and swollen and. you're like. >> not just bruised like your tissue breaks. down. It fills up with fluid and.

>> Yeah. And then also what happens I guess. when you get that much damage in your. tissue is like your whole body has to. process all all of that. So Kyle Propel, I don't remember that. And so it was UFC. Vancouver. >> elevator. >> passed down an elevator had to be rushed. to the hospital. Oh, >> that is crazy. I never knew that. >> Yeah. >> See him at the gym all the time. He's a. nice guy, too. >> So, they had to cut his leg open to. reduce the pressure. So, that's what. that image is. >> Damn. >> Nuts.

>> That is crazy. >> Yeah, that's nuts. And then Uriah's leg. honestly in the fight looked worse than. that. I mean, Uriah might have had. compartment syndrome and didn't get it. drained. >> cuz I know he spent a lot of time in. hyperbaric chambers after the fight. >> I want to try that. >> It's great. >> I want to try that. It's really amazing. If you have an aura ring and you go into. the hyperbear chamber, it will tell you. that you're recovered more. >> really than Yeah. than a normal day. Yeah. Oh, you have a very high level of. recovery today. Yeah. >> I'm going to try that for sure. That's. legit.

>> All my friends have been like like Jared. Gordon like got one for one of his. fights and he was telling me like how. different it makes him feel and stuff. Like for me, as far as I go, it's like I. just started like really like using more. supplements. Like I think the deal that. Thorne made with UFC really helped me. cuz like I started using their and what. really helped was I was always scared to. go on creatine cuz like growing up my. dad would get so big and he would like. back in the day they'd have like all. these different things like oh if you. use too much creatine it's bad for you. bad for your kidneys or whatever. Uh but. >> turns out all that's [ __ ].

>> Exactly. >> Yeah. And creatine is fantastic for And. that's that's been like the main thing. like I can really feel like how how. different my body recovers like how more. >> almost energized in a way you know I. wake up and like when I go to lift and. stuff I feel like. >> way better. So like. >> what's even great for your mind? Creatine is fantastic just for cognitive. support. >> I need everything for that cuz. I've been getting hit in the head since. I was 13 years old. So you know yeah it. don't sometimes it don't function. properly. You know, I have to My It's.

funny. Me and my wife were just joking. the other day. We were like, "Uh, I was. like, "Babe, you do that on purpose, don't you?" She's like, "What?" I was. like, "You try to use memory against me. You'll wait till I forget something. Then you'll be like, "Oh, remember you. said this." And I'm like, "I didn't say. that. I have to die on that hill." Cuz. it's like I don't remember. But I'll. tell her that, you know. I'm just like, "No, I didn't. I know I didn't.". >> You know? So, but yeah, the that that. was a great relationship that's helped. like, you know, UFC's done like a lot of. like made a lot of good partnerships. It's helped like the athletes, but for. me personally, like the Thorn. relationship. >> Yeah, Thorn makes great stuff.

>> Yeah. And they're so tested. >> If you get in hyperbaric chamber, that'll it'll help your memory as well. Hyperbaric chamber is just good for. overall recovery for everything. There's. even a study out of Jerusalem. It shows. it lengthens telomeres. They did this. process where they had um you took 60. sessions of 90 minutes uh over the. course of 90 days. So 60 hour and a half. sessions over the course of 90 days and. it showed it lengthened people's. telomeres. That was. >> really. >> Yeah, that was equal to a 20 age. difference.

>> So yeah, 20 year age difference. So it's. like your telomeres as you get older. that that's like one of the clear marks. of biological aging is how long your. telomeres are. >> That's good to know. >> Yeah, it indicates you know like as you. get older they shrink and the only. there's a few things that they've shown. that will increase telomeres but nothing. as dramatically that I've ever heard uh. other than the hyperbaric chamber. That. was probably the best one I've ever. heard of. Yeah, >> I man I' I've been like trying to learn. more about recovery cuz I'm kind of like. >> How old are you now?

>> I'll be 30 in a couple weeks. >> Yeah, that's when you got to start. thinking about it. >> When you're 22, you're just a wild man. You wake up in the morning with rockh. hard boners. Like everything's fine. >> You just show up to training, you don't. even stretch. Now I'm like, >> "Wait a minute, guys. Wait a minute.". >> The thing is, even if you're 22, you. should stretch. That's just youthful. ignorance. God, it's so there's so many. guys that can't I remember I was talking. to I don't want to say his name because. he's a good guy, but he's like a. world-class MMA fighter and I was trying. to show him something. We're talking. about like guard technique. He's like,

"I can't and I'm not flexible. I can't. get my leg like that." And I go, "What. do you mean you're not flex?" I go, "Why. aren't you flexible?" He goes, "I'm not. I don't stretch." I go, "How do you not. stretch? You're a worldclass fighter who. tries to kick people in the head and you. don't stretch. That's so crazy." He's. like, "It's boring." I'm like, "Okay, >> a lot of things are boring." Like that. that you don't stretch is so crazy cuz. like anytime someone says, "I'm not. flexible." I'm like, "How do you know?". >> Right?

>> You know, like you don't know if you're. flexible until you start stretching for. a long [ __ ] time. You can get. flexible. It's like, I don't have any. cardio. >> Well, you can get cardio. >> That's a choice. >> [ __ ] work. Get do cardio and you'll. have cardio. This is crazy. I'm not. flexible. >> Yeah, but it's like I never stopped, but. I started when I was little. I I. developed flexibility while my body was. still maturing, which is very fortunate. because you're not like like stiff yet. It's like you can get flexible early, but it's I'm 58 years old. It's not easy.

to stay flexible. I just keep [ __ ]. stretching. >> I didn't know you was 58. I'm old as. [ __ ] dude. >> I didn't know that. I thought you was. younger than that. You're older than my. dad. >> I'm old, dude. You're in good shape, though. >> Thank you. I keep up. I'm scared of. death. I'm I'm not scared of death. Death is inevitable. What I'm scared of. is being feeble. Like where you can't do. things anymore. You can't go on a hike. You can't use your body. Like I work out. just as hard now as I did when I was 30. >> I make my wife always worried cuz I'm. like uh I don't know. I don't honestly.

know if I mean it or not. I'm like uh I. don't want to be 80 years old. Like for. instance, like. >> you kind of not say things like that. around ladies sometimes. They don't like. it. >> She's like she's like no don't say that. I need you. like we're a team and I'm. like, >> "Babe, look what I do for a living. Look. what I've done." Like. >> my body's not like that. Like, you know, and like I don't know. Maybe. >> I say that but then like I get out of. working out for like I haven't worked. out in like two months and I'm like I'm. itching like a freaking fiend. I'm like.

>> So when you say I haven't worked out. like you don't do anything for two. months. >> I haven't done anything. I went in the. gym twice. I went in the gym twice. I. did uh one run and one lift and then we. found out my foot had fractures and they. sent me this foot boot and then the. doctor's like you don't have to wear. that but don't do. >> anything that puts a lot of pressure on. your foot and then I've been traveling. like at the end of the year I travel a. lot going hunting and stuff and you know. like like like your meat eater thing. like I love that kind of stuff. So um. I'm not on that big of a scale and that. nice of like animals. I'm just like just.

a simple whitetail kind of guy. But you. know. >> I love hunting whitetails. >> I love it. I got a little property in. Illinois and. >> Oh, that's great, man. >> Yeah. >> So, I can't believe that you could take. a whole couple of months off with. nothing. Just don't do nothing. >> Crazy, right? >> Yeah. >> I'm very blessed. Like, >> well, it's probably smart. It's probably. smart to do. I only a few people do. that. >> It's good and bad. So, like I only do it. this much at the end of the year because. it's hunting season and holidays, my. kids' birthdays, and you know, kind of. my kids birthdays are right now or back. to well [ __ ] I guess all the time.

they're back to back to back. So, it's. like, "All right, we'll do that." We. travel, but it's only end of the year. Usually, I'll take a couple weeks off, maybe a month max, depending on my. injuries after a fight, but then I'm. back at it. Um, but it's hard for me at. home. I'm a full-time dad and a. full-time husband at home right now. Um, got so many kids, you know, that I'm. away for so long. >> How many kids you have? >> I'm about to have five. >> Wow. Yeah. >> Five. And you're not even 30 yet? >> Yes, sir. I have two with my ex. I'm.

about to have two with my current wife. and she has a son from hers previous. So, step. >> Wow. >> Yeah. So, and he's 14. My daughter's. just turned six and four. My son's about. to turn one and then we'll have another. one in about a month and a half. >> So, you got a lot of work to do. >> Yeah. But it's it's nice. Um it's hard. right now. Um you know, kids have. schedules and now like my my little. girls do jiu-jitsu. My stepson was. playing football for the first time this. year and he he's a basketball player cuz. my wife was a pro basketball player and. um so he's always got something going.

on. But at my new house that I'm working. to build, I have like two gyms, full. gym. So like I don't have to leave, you. know? >> Oh, that's nice. >> I can bring people in to train. I have. my full cage that I used to have for my. promotion. So, >> well, even if you only you realize, oh, I only have 40 minutes before I have to. leave, but I can get a half hour workout. on real quick. And you could really burn. it out for a half an hour just to keep. keep the machine oiled. >> But, you know, the argument about taking. time off, it does reset the brain. Like, you know who used to do that? I know. he's not a fighter, but Ronnie Coleman.

Ronnie Coleman is crazy as he used to. lift when he was Mr. Olympia, and he was. one of the heaviest lifters of all time. I mean, he would freak. >> He's a freak. Ronnie when he would like. get done with Mr. Olympia, he would like. I'm not doing [ __ ] He wouldn't do. anything for like a couple months. Like. no training at all and they'd be like, "Nothing at all." He go, "Nope, nothing. Nothing.". >> Yeah. >> He goes, "I got to reset. Got to reset.". But imagine being so driven that you. could train the way that guy trained and. yet so wise that you're like, I'll get.

it back. Let me just like, >> let me just chill. Let me just chill. And it wasn't like it turned him into a. lazy person. Like that's what everyone's. afraid of. Oh, I'm gonna lose this. momentum. I'm doing so good. Everything's going so great. I'm working. so hard. I want to keep working hard. Because we've all had if you will live a. life, you're going to have ups and. you're going to have downs. And like you. were going through your thyroid issue, there's going to be times where you. don't have a lot of energy. So, when. you're feeling good, you want to keep. going, right? And this guy gets to Mr.

Olympia, but he has the wisdom to go, you know what? I can get that back right. now. Let's just not do [ __ ] and let this. let this mind recover. Let this stress. just go away. Let it slip out of my. life. >> That's what I try, man. Uh I I kind of. learned like because I always have. traveled for camp since I was. >> probably three or four and0 as a pro or. three and one as a pro. Three or four. fights in as a pro. I was I was. traveling. I was going to Rufusport for. a long time. I stayed there for a long. time. Then I went to Florida for a long.

time and now I'm not Chicago. And um. always. >> what Jimmy you are now? >> Uh Valley Flow and like War Room with. Bal Muhammad. >> Bal. Yeah. >> So and that's been a Monday. >> Yeah, man. He's so good. >> Both the brother. He got a little. brother. >> Oh, really? >> He's a stud. He's a stud. >> I believe it if it comes out of that. family. Bob Mondays is a beast. >> He's a stud. The little brother is a. stud. He helped me for. Marvin's fight, I think. And then Nacho. helped me a little bit for this one.

This last one. >> How did you choose going to Chicago? I've known Bal since Rufus Sport and u. obviously we stayed in contact you know. when we see each other it's like we. never you know haven't seen each other. and he's always told me like bro just. come down just come check it out you. don't have to stay or nothing like stay. at my house but you don't have to move. here or nothing just come check it out. so I watched his his rise and what he. does and his work ethic and his team and. um after the fluffy loss like I just I. kind of sat back had some conversations.

with people that are really close to me. and explained like what was going on. with me like mentally and where I felt. and um I Bal was one of the people I. talked to and he's like I know what the. problem is and everyone that I talked to. which wasn't a lot they all said exactly. the same thing. So I was like B can I. come can I come. >> what was the problem? >> Complacency. >> I know like who I can train with and not. go hard. I'm I'm the coach of my own. thing. Like I'm running my like whole. camp basically. I go to. >> You were running your whole camp. >> basically. I I'd be like.

>> you go to Vagner for jiu-jitsu. Yeah, I'd go to Vagnus for jiu-jitsu. I'd go. I'd be at Kill Cliff, but I'd be in the. corner doing my thing because you had. the Russian coach over here teaching. some crazy stuff that don't make no. sense. >> What do you mean? >> Like they'd be teaching some stuff off. the wall that would never work. >> Really? >> Yeah. But the kid like the kid the. Russian kids like they were in the. classes like they got young young guys. like Ansar, Nikita, like um Bisangor, he. wasn't even there. Like those guys, they. were like, "Come over here. Let's do. something else." like they have like. real MMA knowledge because they fight.

and they've learned from, you know, all. the guys from where they're from. But, uh, >> so who are these Russian coaches that. are. >> It was just one man. Uh, >> you don't have to say his name. >> Yeah, he was just He's not there no. more, but um, >> but he was a legit coach. >> He never fought. >> Okay. Did he fight in anything? Kickboxing? >> Nope. >> Nothing. >> I don't know if he even competed in. wrestling to be honest with you ever. I. don't know. >> Okay. Is he like, does he spar with. people? >> Nope. >> How old is he? I I would say in his 30s, I would say. >> What? Really?

>> I would say. Yeah, I would guess. >> And he's a coach. >> They. >> But he's coaching unorthodox stuff. Like. what kind of stuff? >> Like stuff against the wall, but it was. like for instance, I don't remember what. it was. It was against the wall. I was. going with my friend AJ, Aaron Jeff. And. uh he it was some takedown off the wall, right? AJ couldn't get it. I was like, "Bro, this and I don't say it out loud. because I don't want no problems, you. know, like I'm going just go with the. flow and mind my business." But, you. know, I've been doing it long enough to. where it's like he realized this move's. probably not going to work for my body. type or my my game, but I'll try it.

>> Right. >> And so anyway, he was doing it and AJ's. like, "Bro, I don't get it." I was like, "Yeah, because this [ __ ] ain't going to. work, bro." He's like, "What?" I was. like, "It's not going to work. I'm. telling you." So, he calls the coach. over and he was like, "Que.". The guy looks at me, he goes, he's. telling him. And then he looks at me, goes, "Stop it.". Me? He's like, "Yeah." I was like, "Bet." He tries to do it. I literally. grab his wrist, grab his head, and throw. him. Boom. >> Is he your size? >> He's bigger than me.

>> Oh, wow. >> Throw him. >> And so it didn't work. >> No. He's like, "Let me try one more. time. Let's go full speed." I said, "Shit, that was full speed." Do the. exact same thing, but do it the other. way now. >> Boom. Throw him again. AJ looks at me. He says, the the coach says something. I. was like, then then I get agitated, right? Then I'm like, man, that's cuz. this [ __ ] ain't going to work. I told. y'all y'all don't listen to me. I just. walked off. Oh, that's not good vibes. >> You know, so I just walk off and I was. like, I ain't taking his become a coach. there. >> Sticking around and translating.

>> Oh, no. You know, oh, there's those. weird guys like that. I'm not saying. that this guy's like that, but there are. some weird guys like that become. parasitic. You know, they're like. friends with a guy who's a really good. fighter and then they're always there. and then they want to be a part of the. team somehow and then they start. contributing or they start maybe running. conditioning drills or something. And. you're like, "Why is this guy running. conditioning drills with. >> That's exactly how it went.". >> Oh, that's the worst. >> Exactly how it went. Literally, >> there's weird parasitic relationships in. any elite like thing, whether it's.

sports. I see it in comedy. There's some. comedians that have weird parasitic. friends that wind up, you know, becoming. a producer on their thing and there's. just some guy who just just like like a. lamprey clinging to the bottom of a. shark. It got weird for a little while, especially at the end. It did like when. I was still there. um with that whole. thing because even some of the other. coaches started to catch on because at. Kilcliffe, you know, sometimes we'd have. a lot of guys fighting like all over the. place. So coaches would be gone and. >> you try to, you know, figure that. situation out. So he'd step in and try.

to help and. >> it just got weird. But like again, I'm. I'm I'm not the kind of person that. really cause a conflict. Like I'd rather. just like if like just for instance, if. you're causing something like some type. of energy with me, I'm going to just. move over here and just stay out your. way. You know, the world needs more. people like you. >> Well, my younger self would have I want. a conflict. I'm gonna I'm gonna show. you. >> Right. Of course. But as you got wiser, >> you realize like what's the Also, you're. an elite professional mixed martial arts.

fighter. You ain't got [ __ ] to prove to. somebody. >> That's kind of how I feel now. I see. some of these younger kids. I feel I see. some of these younger kids now and I'm. just like, >> I'm g just stay over here. >> It gets people hurt. It ruins your life. And that's what it'll be for me. I don't. I don't want that to happen because like. >> I have kids, I have a wife, I have a. good life, I live very nice like as far. as like my lifestyle. Like I'm I'm here. with you right now. You know, >> also it's [ __ ] pointless. >> I've seen bar fights where you know. there's young guys and they just like. see an opportunity. They want to prove.

something. I'm like I just want to tell. them like, "Hey man, one day you're. going to be 35. You're going to be. looking back on this day and maybe it's. the day you got stabbed. >> Maybe it's the day you got shot. You. know, maybe it's the day you got knocked. the [ __ ] out, your head bounced off the. concrete, and you'll never be the same. person again. >> Yeah. Like, exactly what you said, it's. just not worth it. Like, >> you know, Kevin James, the the comedian. >> Yeah. He used to come to the gym. >> Oh, that's that's awesome. He trains a. lot. Good friend of mine. Been friends. of mine for 30 years. When I first met. him, he told me a story of when he was. bouncing. when he was bouncing at a bar.

in Long Island. One of his friends there. was a bouncer and some drunk kid was. starting [ __ ] and he knocked this kid. out and the kid fell down and hit his. head and died and he wound up doing. time. He went to jail for manslaughter. My one of my best friends got stabbed in. the face in New Orleans cuz he was he. didn't even know he was talking to this. dude's chick and he didn't know, >> right? >> He didn't know. Like she didn't say. nothing. She came up to him. He was just. at the bar. >> Oh jeez. >> Dude came and stabbed him in the face, broke his jaw, uh stabbed him and ran. He has a he has a nice scar. It's he's.

older now, so it's kind of went away, but like through his beard, but uh wired. his jaw shut. He he was messed up for a. while, you know, stabbed him in the jaw. in the face. >> This episode is brought to you by. Squarespace. If you've got something to. say, sell, or share with the world, you. need a legit online presence. Me, I use. Squarespace to power my website. It's. easy to use and with their AI enhanced. website builder and built-in tools for. booking, payments, email, all of it, you.

can actually run your business, not just. build a site. Go to. squarespace.com/rogan. for a free trial. And when you are ready. to launch, use the code roen to get 10%. off your first purchase of a website or. domain. And someone trying to stab you. in the face is easily trying to stab you. in the neck. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. You just got lucky. So, it's like. >> you just got lucky to hit that jaw and. not your [ __ ] corateed artery. Oh my. god. I watched a video of these guys in. London and they're yelling at each other. and squaring off each other back and.

forth and back and forth and then. finally they get out it and one guy just. pulls out a [ __ ] knife and slices. this dude's neck and this dude is just. squirting out of his neck and he tries. to fight for a second then he just gets. woozy and and he's just squirting as he. goes down. I don't know what happened. I'm assuming he died because I'm looking. at the amount of blood loss if someone. didn't jump on that and compress it. And. even if you did, the corroted artery is. like such a significant amount of blood. that's going through there depending on. I guess the damage. >> Dude, I think I had like.

>> so stupid. >> I've always heard the story. Obviously, you know how stories are, but I've heard. from a couple different people, but I. have like a great uncle somewhere along. the line. He passed out passed away. before I was alive. He was in a bar. I. know right where where the place is. Everything's the building's still there. to this day. He was in the bar. He was. sitting down having some drinks with a. friend. Don't I don't know the. relationship between him and the guy. The guy walked up behind him, SLIT HIS. THROAT. >> OH GOD. >> He He missed the corateed arteries, both. of them, by like not even a quarter of. an inch. Like not even an eighth of an.

inch. He missed both of them. So it was. just here. >> Oh [ __ ]. >> He chased the guy out, almost beat him. to death and then almost died because he. couldn't breathe. Like. >> Oh god. >> But almost beat the guy to death. Almost. almost died. So, two people almost died. >> Bro, nightclubs are so bad. >> I've never been a club. I hate like a. group of people. I hate it. I get very. off setting. >> There's too many people on Coke. There's. too many people that are stupid. There's. too many people that want to like, "Bro, I [ __ ] see red." And, you know, there's too many dummies. When I was a.

kid, when I was 21 years old, I was at a. bar and I watched this guy hit a guy in. the face with a Heineken bottle out of. no out of nowhere over nothing. I was. standing by the bar and there was these. two guys. cuz they were as close as. Jamie is to me and they were talking to. each other like a loud voices but. nothing crazy like no physical [ __ ] and. this guy just takes a Heineken bottle. off the ball and smashes it on his face. and there was blood everywhere. This guy. was just just leaking all over his face. I was like that guy's face is destroyed.

for the rest of his life over literally. nothing. Literally nothing. >> It's crazy, man. >> It's just there's too many people out. there that are [ __ ] stupid, man. And. you get sucked into their gravity. >> You know, you're like the guys that like. they like uh if they know who you are, they'll be like, "Oh, you can fight. I. can shoot." I'm like, "All right. So can. I. Congratulations. >> Let's not fight each other or shoot each. other.". >> That's my hi, my name is Brendan. >> That's my thing now. I'm like, "Bro, I. don't want to fight or shoot you. Just. leave me alone and leave my family alone. and we're good, bro. I don't I don't.

want no problems with nobody.". >> Well, the problem is there's too many. people out there that haven't proven. themselves. They don't have a thing in. their life that gives them a challenge. all the time where they're proving. themselves. So, every time they go out, they're trying to prove themselves. Every time they go out, they're trying. to puff their chest out and be Billy. badass. And it's it's so dangerous. And. here's where you don't see that. Trained. fighters, dude. I used to bounce at a. little like something small. And uh I. needed the money obviously. And I will.

never forget, man, this little dude, he. had to be like this tall, short, and. fat. He he was I don't know how tipsy he. was. I don't know, right? But all the. guys know that I was fighting. I was LFA. at the time. And um they're like they. always told me, "Hey man, don't worry. about hitting nobody. If someone swings. at you, I got you." Or just hit them and. say, "I did it." And I was like, "I'm. good, bro. I'm good. I'm just so it. doesn't get you in trouble.". >> Yeah. They were super cool, right? Who. knows if that would have really been how. it went. I don't know. You know, but.

anyway, >> you really [ __ ] somebody up and there. was a lawsuit. I guarantee you that. dropped your name, >> dude. They they was a bartender there. He freaking I watched it with my own two. eyes in the front. This dude and him got. into it. The guy slipped cuz he pushed. him and he slipped. It was a little wet, dude. He soccer kicked him so hard in. the face. So hard. I was like, he got. arrested for that. >> Oh god. >> You know, but that but that little kid, he swung at me and I don't even know if. he hit me or hit my hand. He hit. something, right? And I'm laughing. I'm.

laughing. I'm like I couldn't believe. it. Like. >> he had that cocaine courage. >> He must have, bro. I'm laughing. I'm. literally doing this and cuz I was going. to stick him with the right, but he was. so little. Like I was like, >> so crazy. >> No way. And how I saw the punch come. I. was like, don't do it. >> There are some people out there that. have no idea how to fight and yet they. still try to fight. They have no weapon. They don't have a a good punch. They. don't have a background in wrestling. They don't have a damn thing. And yet. they'll still decide they want to fight. someone and just hope in today's day and.

age, how can you hope that people don't. know how to fight? >> I think if you run into 10 guys, one of. them can fight today is probably the. most in human history in terms other. than like Spartan days, most in human. history. And even back then, how good. was their technique? >> Exactly. >> You know what I'm saying? It's crazy. They probably didn't even know about. calf kicks. >> It's like my dad grew up boxing, right? So my dad, he would always tell me like. growing up he was a little [ __ ] He was.

like, I used to get my ass kicked until. he had he had to move in with his. grandfather. His grandfather World War. II vet, shot twice, grew up boxing. Um. probably the most rugged man that you'll. ever meet. I met him once before he. passed away. His voice was so gruff. Like he's a man's man, you know, like. one of those. Doesn't say nothing. really. And uh so he raised my dad. and he used to step outside like kind of. mess with him box like he put him in.

boxing but he knocked my dad out one. time because my dad's like you know well. man come on let's test it. Stepped on. his foot and slept him. >> and uh but anyway so like when he was in. high school thing to do to your kid. >> dude he said my dad said he didn't care. about nothing. My dad said he literally. watched smash his finger flat with a. hammer. The nerves flew out. Like they. were still attached. They flew out. >> Oh my god. hit his head on uh throwing. uh bales of hay in the loft, smoked his. head on a railroad spike that was in the. wood. Uh cracked his skull. He didn't.

know till 2 days later. They said if he. would have waited a couple like 12 more. hours, he would have been dead cuz all. the swelling on his brain. They had to. cut his brain uh his skull off to let. the fluid come out. >> Oh god. >> Crazy old just stubborn old man, you. know. >> That's crazy to do to your grandson. though sleeping like that, >> dude. He said my dad said. >> my dad said he he said we were messing. around. He's like, "All right, like quit. messing with me." He always told him. that, "Leave me alone.". >> He kept on, kept on, he stepped on his. foot. And my dad said, "You quit. stepping." He said, "That's all he. remembers.". >> Oh, wow. >> Old school trick. Slept in. My dad said.

when he woke up, he had the worst like. migraine. And he was on the porch. drinking a thing of I think tea. And he. was like, "Hey, >> get your ass up and go clean the dog. pin. >> Get to work.". >> Those dudes who came up through World. War II were that's a different kind of. human being. >> Yeah. you know, so it's like. >> a human being. >> like that's that's just kind of like how. my dad was. So like when he got to high. school like. >> he wasn't the kind to go look for. trouble, but he was the kind of person. like my dad told me as well like you. stick up for other people that can't. stick up for themselves.

>> Yeah. >> Or if someone [ __ ] with you like do. what you got to do. Just don't like. nowadays he's like don't put your hands. like don't throw punch at them first. unless they get in arms reach then you. throw a punch first. Don't ever let. someone hit you. >> Kind of like you too. You could just. choke somebody. >> Yeah. Now but hurt them. you just put. him to sleep. >> and that's more I'm a I'm a good hugger. so it's like I prefer that but my dad's. like mean man like he's different like. and he he like he was in the military. and he boxed when he was overseas for. like 75 bucks cuz he'd send all his. money home to us so it's like.

>> like I don't know like people kind of. human beings man. >> I come from something like that's what I. feel like when I fight like I'm. different like I I honestly I uh I was. telling myself that in the Marvin fight. in between rounds like going into the. third cuz my dad and my brother were. both there in attendance for the first. time. Like my brother hadn't been in any. of my fights since probably my second. pro fight because of his injury. >> And uh so like my I watched my buddy. Costello fight uh for the PFL belt and. he said after the fight like he said. word for word he's like I was um I was.

raised by a warrior. He raised two. warriors. I'm a [ __ ] warrior. And. he's like that's that's what I told. myself. And so like that stuck in my. head till the fight like till my fight. So like in the third round like everyone. was like oh he falls off in the third. and that was something like my corner. was because that was my first time in. Chicago. So like Harasio looked at me in. between rounds and he was like hey let's. go like let's let's restart it. He said. something else and I was like I'm good. just get out of the way like you know.

that's that it's kind of one of those. moments where it's like you're living in. the moment but I don't know. >> Well I think just having a coach is. really important. It's really important. especially having an elite coach, having. a coach that's really on top of it, you. know. Yeah, I guess a safe sude uh you. know, Farza Hobby, Duke Rufus, having. someone who's like. >> really on it, really watching you, really knows what you need, really knows. when you need to back off cuz the fact. that you did so well and that you were.

coaching yourself is kind of [ __ ]. crazy. >> Well, when I say I had coaches Yeah, exactly. But I didn't have a a main. coach. >> Yes, sir. Exactly. >> That's the diff. So, for people that. don't know, okay, if you're listening to. this and you're just interested in MMA, generally there's a striking coach. Usually, they have some sort of a Muay. Thai or kickboxing background. You. generally have wrestling coaches. You. generally have jiu-jitsu coaches. And if. you're a really good gym, you got one. guy who knows how to put it all. together. And those are the maestros.

Those are the guys who are like. conducting the entire orchestra. And. they know you. And if a a good guy. knowing his fighter is like an artist. and I think you can only have a certain. amount of people that you're working. really closely with because it's a very. involved and intensive job like Eric Nix. that's a guy he gets down into the. nitty-gritty of every [ __ ] thing you. guys are he's watching you. He knows. what you need. He knows what you don't. need. You know it's like it's also you. got a guy who could just say push it off. to him. He knows what to do. He's going. to give you game plans in between.

rounds. Okay, this is working but we. need more of this. He does this all the. time when he does the reason why he's. getting away with it is because of that. Get it in your head. Go out there. When. I hear guys and the guy's losing and. they get no technical advice and and and. they start getting go [ __ ] him up. You. got to [ __ ] him up. You got to put hands. on him like and I'm like, "Oh my god, tell him what to do. He knows how to. fight. >> Get on top. >> Tell get on top. >> Tell him what to do. >> Stand up.". >> And I get it. You only have a minute. I. get it. And I get it. Everybody's. panicking if things are going wrong. I. get it. But my god,

>> having a good coach, having like a. Ferasa hobby type dude in your corner. who just really understands what you. need to do. So [ __ ] important. >> It's been one of the best changes that I. have cuz I ain't going to lie, I'm not. the easiest person to deal with. Like I. like to be very in control of things. that I can control and I know myself. Like I I I've done a lot. I've been. around a lot. So like I know like, hey. man, like I'm feeling it today. Like my. body's kind of done. No, no, no, no. Go,

go, go. 100%. You know, >> do you monitor all your [ __ ] Do you. monitor your resting heart rate? >> Yeah. Now I don't Usually I have my. whoop on cuz I used to have the Aura, but it hurt like I couldn't train with. it. So Right. >> But uh I I just took it off cuz I was. training jiu-jitsu. >> Orura is a little bit of a problem when. you lift weights, too. >> Exactly. I pinched my finger so bad. >> Well, have you ever seen sheathing. injuries? You ever seen those? >> What is it? Where it rips the skin of. your finger off? The first time I ever. saw one, I never saw them in person, but. the first time I ever saw one, it was. somebody uh who did jiu-jitsu, and they.

did jiu-jitsu with a ring on, like a. wedding ring, and just [ __ ] mangled. their finger. Well, it's called. sheathing cuz it pulls all your skin off. the bone like a sheath you would stick. >> Yeah, I didn't know that's what it was. called. >> That's what it's called. It's like a. sheathing. Here's some some of these. injuries. >> I thought like that, >> bro. Look at that, >> dude. >> Ew. >> The first time I ever seen it was. someone with a ghee. A ghee. It got. caught in the ghee. Oh my god. >> Like you said, took the skin off. Yeah, he had the right wing and he had I think. he made the grip on the on the sleeve.

and when the guy pulled it like took it. like caught that like fat that little. muscle or whatever right there. >> and ripped it [ __ ] skin off the. >> whole skin. >> I've never seen that, >> dude. It was so nast like you said. I. was like, "Oh my god." So now I am 100%. sure that I don't wear my wedding ring. That's why it's tattooed on my finger. because when I go to camp, I don't I. don't wear a wedding ring. She knows. when I get to camp I take it off. I put. it in my truck. When camp is over and I. get home from the fight, I put it back. on. >> I don't have mine on now because I just. came from the gym, but I used to have a.

silicone one. Well, not used to. I have. a silicone one that I use all the time. that uh I can work out with it. I could. do anything with it. >> Oh, interesting. >> Yeah. What is that company? Ridge. Is. that what it is? No, that's the wallet. company. >> Is that what it is? >> [ __ ] They're making all kinds of stuff. luggage and everything. >> It's a good one. It's there's there's um. it looks like an aura ring, too. But. it's it's made out of silicone, so even. if you catch it on something, it's no. big deal. But even that, I forget which. which coach it was. >> I forget which coach. It's like like an.

elite jiu-jitsu coach. He goes, I refuse. to let a guy even train with that. He. goes, I've seen too many injuries. >> Too many injuries where your finger just. gets mangled by having that [ __ ]. stupid thing on there. >> That's nasty. That's like. >> groove ring. >> Groove. That's it. Yeah. I I feel like. that with like knee injuries and like. dislocations. >> Oh, dude. You know what creeps me the. most is broken shins. >> When I see that that shin check when. this the shin snaps like ah if there's. ever a fight that I think a guy should. have pulled out that didn't and I if I. was his friend I would have told him you.

cannot fight. It's Connor when he fought. Dustin. The second fight with Dustin, excuse me, the third fight with Dustin. when his shin snapped in half. >> You know they knew that he had some sort. of a hairline fracture on his should. Yeah. He had already had MRIs and. everything. They knew something was. really wrong with it. >> Yeah. Screw that. No. >> Yeah. And he didn't even It didn't even. like go shin to knee or anything like. that. Like it usually snaps. That's how. compromised it was. If you watch that. fight, there is one time where uh Dustin. checks it.

>> and he checks the kick and he looked at. him. He pointed at him like, "I know. that hurt you, bitch." Like he like got. in his head. And that was also after. Dustin had just KO'ed him in the last. fight. So this was the third fight. And it was man because in the first. fight it was like nice guy Connor. It. was like nice guy Connor. Even after the. fight after the fight he was being cool. He got KO'ed. His leg got [ __ ] up with. those calf kicks. And after the fight he. was so respectful. I'm like look Connor. turned a corner. >> Not the third one. >> Not the third one, bro. Your girl in my.

DMs. >> Oh, bro. It's so funny. But it's like I. know where Dustin he comes from like the. same vibe that I come from and like same. things probably bother him. So when he. said that you could see Dustin like even. though he just whooped him. He was like. >> like you know. >> crazy thing to say while you're lying. there with a broken leg. >> for sure. You know. >> the guy could just keep. >> he took it well though. You know who. took it the best that I've seen. personally? Tyrone Spong. >> when he when he snapped his in half. He's just sitting there. We talk about. this too. I'm like, "Bro, how did you. sit there just like.

he's like to be honest, I was a little in shock at first and. then I was like, >> "What am I going to do?". >> It is what it is. >> Yeah. Like what am I going to do? Like. it sucks. >> That's wise, you know? And that is that. was uh against Goks, too. >> Yeah, >> that was a kickboxing fight. >> Yeah, I remember in a kickboxing fight. Isn't it interesting? It's way more. common in an MMA fight. I've only seen. it a couple times kick I've seen it. God, thank God. Thank because of. Instagram. Luckily, I get to see every. [ __ ] horrific injury that's ever.

happened. God, I've seen it seems like I. never saw it until one who was the first. time. Was it Corey Hill? I think it was. Cory Hill was the first guy who broke. his and Cory was like a real tall thin. guy. I believe he fought at 145 and he. was something crazy like 6'3 at 145. Yep. >> It was real tall and skinny. And who did. he fight? Jamie will find. >> he passed away, right? >> Yes, he did. Unfortunately, >> he fought in Louisiana a good bit.

because I remember when he passed away, they were doing some stuff for him. there. >> So, that was um also the referee didn't. notice it. >> Dale. just says Dale H on the thing. >> Oh, bro, that gets me. So during the. fight, the referee didn't notice it. So. they kept fighting and I put my headsets. down and I got up and I I was screaming,

"Stop the fight. Stop the fight." The. referee didn't notice it. He didn't. notice that the guy's leg broke. So they. were still scrapping on the ground. >> I I hope that was the end cuz how do you. not notice that his leg is literally in. a. >> It's just a bad uh angle. You know, you're in the wrong place at the wrong. time. Wow. Looking at where the. referee's standing, there's actually. kind of no excuse. >> There it is. >> Let's see. It falls back. Look, it's. limp. It's broken. HIS LEG'S BROKEN.

IT'S GOING TO BE THE FIGHT. STOP THE. FIGHT. STOP THE FIGHT. >> THE FIGHT IS ALL OVER. CORY HILL. >> DANG. >> Suffered a broken leg. >> Hart, you saw it instantly on your. monitor. >> I saw it instantly in the cage. >> Oh, dang. >> I wasn't watching the monitor. I don't. even think we had monitors back then. >> I was just about to ask that question. >> I don't think we had monitors back then. We didn't have monitors for a while. The. monitors were my idea. Really? >> I was like, we have to have monitors. I. want to see monitors. I want to see. replays. I want to see [ __ ]. >> It was early early in the UFC. I was.

like, we need monitors, >> you know? And also the judges should get. [ __ ] monitors, too. >> Yeah. Now it's it's nice. I'll sit. behind you. >> Actually, now that I'm thinking that, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we did have. monitors. Maybe I was asking for other. things because maybe I was asking for. monitors for the judges. Like, when did. they start having monitors in the UFC? I. don't know. But I always try to watch. the actual fight. I want to see the. actual fight. Yeah. >> Okay. >> I mean, I like you get a better view if. the cage is there, but I mean, [ __ ]. man. You're five feet away from the best. fights on earth. You want to see it? See. it. I don't want to be on t watching TV.

That's crazy. >> Yeah. You got the best seat in the. house. >> Oh, it's the craziest seat ever. So, when did they start doing it? 2011. Is that for judges? >> Yeah, that was definitely my idea. Or. well, there was other people that had. that same idea, but I'm like, you need. to do this. This is cuz there was some. of them that were so bad. Some some. calls that were so bad. It's like. there's no way these guys are seeing. everything. You know, if there's a. pillar here and a guy lands an elbow and. you're judging and you don't see it, like what do you do? What do you say? That might have been the most pivotal.

moment in the fight. >> Like, what are you doing? You have to. see it. And all. >> the judging thing is crazy, man. Cuz. some there's judges that don't even. train. They've never trained MMA. They. don't they don't have any jiu-jitsu. skill. They don't know what's going on. In the middle of a fight once, this lady. leaned over to my friend who was also. worked for one of the commissions and. said, "What is he doing?". >> No way. >> Yeah. It was an Americana. It was a a. normal move. It was like, "What is he.

doing?". >> That's crazy. It was either Americana or. Kamura. I'm not sure if I remember. >> I mess like he's trying to bite him. What? I don't know. But imagine this is. a person that's in char. So the the. really horrible thing about it, a bad a. bad decision, is not just that you get a. loss on your record, but you get half. your paycheck, which I think is really. [ __ ] up. I think that needs to stop. >> I think you should have a a designated. amount that you're fighting for. And if. you want to have a stoppage bonus or you.

want to, you know, give someone some. some sort of a bonus for an excellent. performance, that's great. That. incentivizes them to try harder to stop. somebody. But a a bad decision that can. cost you half your purse is crazy. It's. crazy. >> You know, I had a. I'm getting older, you know, so I try to. be have a little bit more wisdom. So. after like I lost to Fluffy, I was I I. was like I went back and watched the. fight like six times and I'm like. I really don't see how I how I lost on.

on a on a decision. like I can see like. your point if you use this frame of. mind, but based on the unified rules at. the time, how so I dude I reached out to. like a lot of people that I knew that. are like in the high up in commissions. and like I had really deep talks with. them about it like explained my. perspective, listened to theirs, the. rules and literally it came down to it's. your interpretation. It's your. interpretation of the rules. And it was. like it came down to is his effective.

grappling, even if they're holding, they're still, you know, whatever. Does it outweigh me almost knocking you. out and me putting a cut all the way to. your skull on your face and you holding. me? Which one outweighs what? That's how. I explained it to them. And they were. like, "Oh, but he just had more time." I. said, "And look, don't get me wrong. I love. Fluffy. I think he's a great human. being. I really do. I've known him. We. fought twice already and um he's beat me. both times, both decisions, you know,

and um but I don't think I lost the last. one. I still stay I'll still die on that. hill. >> Well, it was a very good fight. It was a. very close fight. I see what you're. saying, though. And it was one of the. things that we brought up during this. past uh fight with Morab and Pure Jan. And I'm like, if you're looking at it in. terms of just damage, Podder Yan is. clearly doing more damage, right? >> He's hitting Morab with shots that rock. him. He kicks him in the body. He's got. him screaming. There was never a moment. where Morab did that to Podor. Even when. he hit him with good shots, Pod was.

firing back, >> right? >> Damage is huge. It's what the sport is. really about. The sport is really about. either damage or coming really close to. putting someone out, like submitting. them. >> That's what the sport's about. And when. it's just holding, when a guy holds and. doesn't do anything with it, it's like. that it's look, it's an effective. strategy. And if you're fighting a guy. who could [ __ ] you up standing and. that's all you could do to survive, I. understand. Like I have no problem with. boring fights. I really don't. And I. know the c the fans like [ __ ].

separate them, you know, [ __ ]. separate them. I have no problem with. boring fights because I think if you can. let a guy just hold on to you, that is a. part of the game. >> Yeah. >> If a guy takes you down and holds you. down, I think you should be there. A. round's only five minutes. I don't. believe in standups. And I know that. sounds crazy, but even if it's boring as. [ __ ] and sometimes I'm happy when they. stand people up. I really am. But if it. was my rules, if I could make the rules, I'd be like, never stand a person up. unless there's a violation of the rules,

right? >> Never stand a person up because it's. part of the sport. If it's boring, it's. boring. >> You know, we talked about it after the. fight. Like after the fight, like I went. in the back and I was frustrated at my. at myself. Really, to be honest, I was. super frustrated at myself. Well, first. it was I was like, "Fuck, they just let. him [ __ ] hold the whole time." I'm. like in the third. I literally almost. knock him out. Like I'm talking [ __ ]. right? And uh uh Robbie looks at me, Robbie Lawler, and he goes, "You should. have just got up then." I went, "You're. right.".

>> Yeah, >> you're right. >> That's That's right. That's some Robbie. Lawler wisdom right there. >> And that's and from there, I was like, >> "All right.". >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But then I found out after like one of. Fluffy's coaches is um he used to be in. the commission like so he knows the they. they explained his pedigree or whatever. and he's very very very knowledgeable. about what the rules are and all these. things. So they he strategizes I guess. certain things around that. Um. >> so he strategizes certain things around. the rules. >> That's what that's what I heard. That's.

that's what they told me. And. >> I've been a lot of guys do that. He. canceled like he he was in the. commission like part of it like I guess. work for him and he's like he pulled out. of working there because he wanted to be. for Fluffy more which is admirable but. like he didn't want to have like a. conflict of interest. >> So I thought that was pretty cool but. like I will say like what Fluffy did. really good that I was prepared for like. wrestling like crazy but I wrestle with. guys that are like folk style wrestlers. What he does very well is he don't shoot.

normal shots. He does. He doesn't shoot. like a double or a single. He shoots. like it looks like it's going to be a. double, but he's only at your hips. He's. just trying to get your hips. Then he's. circling right away if he can or putting. you to the cage and working his. sequences from there. But he has very. awkward shots. They're so weird. Like I. could see them and I was like, "Oh, I'm. about to stuff it." But I'm the kind of. guy like you got to touch me and then. I'm going to go. I'm not just going to. react. That way you can set it up for. something else. >> Right. But as soon as he touches me,

like in the second he was I didn't know. how uh but I watched it back. Um I went. to like catch a whizzer and next thing. you know my feet came out from under me. because we were both circling so hard. I. was trying to get the whizzer. >> and he was trying to go to my back and. my feet came out from under me. I just. landed like on my shoulder and I'm like. in the fight I'm like what the [ __ ] just. happened? There's no way. This is where. my head's at. I'm like no [ __ ] way he. just did this. I'm like what the [ __ ]. just happened? And my corner's yelling. at me. His corner's yelling and I'm.

still in my head like what the [ __ ] like. what just and dude it took me like. probably a minute and a half to to like. transfer into something else and then I. was like h he's not doing nothing so. I'll just get him next round which. terrible frame of mindset we've worked. on. And then the third but yeah man I. was like still like after the fight I. was like yo I asked my boy I was like. how did he get me down there? Like he. went for a guillotine I said I ain't go. for no goddamn guillotine till the third. and then I swept him with it and stood. back up. I was like, I didn't do that. I. swear. But um yeah, man. But like I. said,

>> clever style. >> He's a savage. >> He and he also has a crazy gas tank, man. >> He melts guys. Melts guys. Did the Liz. thing where he grabbed his neck and just. like like a bouncer at a nightclub just. dragged him back to finish him. That was. crazy. >> Yeah, man. I That's one thing I wish I. would have gave like put more output. like cuz I wasn't Everyone's like, "You're tired." I was like, "Bro, I was. having a full conversation like this in. between rounds right after the fight. I. wasn't tired. >> I was just complacent." Like, I was. like, "Oh, like I'm already going to Cuz.

I I beat Malcoun like that cuz all he. did was hold. Literally just held." And. I'm hitting him. Bang, bang, bang. >> How am I supposed to improve my. position? You're literally just holding. You're not even moving at all. You're. not lifting your weight. You're not. doing nothing. Right. >> So, I won that fight because I did more. damage and I had fight ending. intentions. I felt I had that. >> with Fluffy. So in the third I was like. I'm elbowing him and he's gushing blood. and I'm looking at the ref. I'm like yo. he's just holding. I try to get up he's. just he just picks my ankle and I go. back down. I elbow him some more try to. get back up. He got on top for like a.

minute but he didn't do nothing really. Anyway that's where my frame of mindset. was at and it was just terrible you know. looking back but um I would love a third. you know. >> Well it'll probably happen. It'll. probably happen somewhere down the line. because it'll be a great fight. Yeah, that's where well that's where the kind. of the holdup is I guess right now of. like obviously you know how politics. work in this game but it's like the top. five is the champion Drich uh oh no I'm. sorry champion Dusovv. uh Sean Strickland fluffy me and it's.

like all right Sean they just announced. Shawn and and Fluffy. >> Emol Yep that's cool and then uh I. evolve is waiting they've all they both. said they they're going to wait for that. one. >> so it's just me and Da And then right. behind me is Izzy. Who knows when Izzy's. going to fight or if he's going to fight. or. >> so it's like we're waiting on Drius and. Drius always has a lot to say when I'm. losing, but when I'm winning, he don't. really have enough to say. And then like. I just saw an interview like the other. day and it was like uh. >> he was like, "Yeah, I'd love to to to.

beat his head in or something. >> about you.". >> Yeah. About me. And I'm like, "Well, you. have the opportunity to do so and it. only makes sense unless you want to wait. forever." So, I wonder um what he does after that. Hamza fight cuz when a guy dominates you. like that where it's so clear, it's just. like one one of those gaps that it looks. like, oh, you're never going to bridge. that gap. >> and that grappling gap and. >> it's never going to that I don't know if. you agree, but that should never happen.

at that level. >> It Well, it never does happen at that. level. That's the real except Islam and. Jack Ela Matalena. That's another. similar situation. Yeah, >> very similar situation. But I think. there's there's guys that you get in. there with and you know if you're used. to a like B caliber guy or you know a. high highlevel guy, right? >> But there's there's only a few real A's. and like Hamzad is a real A. >> Yeah. Well, he's good at he's a savage. >> I talked to DC about him and DC said, "Dude, when that guy grabbed me and he.

goes, we were wearing street clothes and. everything like that." He goes, "I. realized like I'm going to have to. wrestle wrestle to keep this guy off. me." He goes like he was he's [ __ ]. strong, man. >> And it's also because first of all, how. the [ __ ] did that guy make 170? >> I don't know. But I don't understand how. he talks about going up to 205 cuz like. you said, you got guys like Pereira. And. don't get me wrong, I know they're. stylistically different, but. >> I think he could do it. I think he could. do it. I think he could do it if he. takes the time and puts weight on. >> Yeah. If he puts weight on, I think he.

has a high chance. >> cuz he's tall, you you know, he's and. it's also the thing is it's like these. gaps in wrestling, you know, these gaps. in grappling when a guy's a really good. grappler and then you're taking on a guy. like Trickus who's really a striker, right? >> Who's a good he's a good grappler, a. good jiu-jitsu guy, but there's levels, you know, and the kind of guy like. Hamza, like man, you got to be a [ __ ]. Olympic caliber wrestler to scrap with. that guy. >> Yeah. And it's like I I tell people like. I'm not going to go out there and. straight beat Chamay in pure wrestling. Like it's not going to happen. I'm not.

stupid. I'm not stupid, but it's MMA. Could I take him down? I mean, yeah, I. could. But there's other ways to. approach the fight that I think I I have. the upper hand. Like, you see how other. people have approached him and done well. with him, but it's like um. >> you also have very good submissions, too. >> You have you have real solid jiu-jitsu. game and you can strike. You know, you're you you've got a very complete. package. And I think, you know, the. thing about his grappling is that like. you have that hole. If you have that. hole, he's gonna find that hole and he's.

gonna smother you for sure. You're. flexible. >> That's what freaks That's what like. makes no sense to me with the Drius. fight, right? Like you're the champion. of the world. He took you down. No problem, man. I. totally understand. I get taken down a. lot, you know, but um. I mean, I know our styles are different, but you didn't try to hip bump. You. didn't try to hip escape. You didn't try. to scoop the leg and lift and elevate. You didn't try to do nothing. You didn't. literally He didn't try to do nothing.

He literally waited for him to establish. his position. He'd roll side to side. Maybe one hit bump around. When he did, Tmay did great. Knee sliced or just. stepped over past and went crucifix. >> Do you How many times he put in the. crucifix, by the way? That was crazy. >> It was crazy. >> I only had to be like once a round cuz. he wasn't getting out. It was I mean how. many times did he put him in a crucifix. in a world championship fight? Has there. ever been a fight where a a champion has. been put in a crucifix that many times? >> Insane. >> It was over and over and over again. We.

were like, how is he doing this again? This is so crazy. >> and that that kind of blew my mind. But. so that's why it's like. >> I just think Chamaya's gap is just so. good. And I think also with a guy like. Dricus and you would be the guy to speak. to this when you're down and you you. realize, okay, it's the first round. He's taking me down. He's on top of me. Let me just conserve my energy. This is. a five round world championship fight. I'm going to knock this [ __ ]. out. He's going to get tired doing this. He always gets tired. But you know the. difference with um Hamza in this fight. is he trained with Sam Calvita. Do you.

know that guy? >> Uhuh. >> Okay. >> I just already hired someone good. >> Yeah. Calvita is a a real elite strength. and conditioning coach and uh legendary. guy. And he runs this it's called he. just calls it the garage. Okay. It's in. Orange County, California. And it's just. a [ __ ] garage and not even a big one. Just a small twocar garage with no cars. in it. And it's all just machines and. equipment. He's got Arman Serukian in. training down there. TJ Dillashaw when. he was in his prime, he was training. down there. The reason why TJ's.

conditioning was at such a [ __ ] high. level when he was in his prime was he. was training with that guy. >> He has Everybody that I know that's. trained with him is like, "Bro, this guy. puts you through [ __ ] hell.". Hell. This is uh that's TJ when he's. training there. And again, this is like. if you see there's Sam. If you see it. like and when you listen to the guy. talk, just extremely [ __ ]. knowledgeable. But he gets you to the. point. It's called the train. It's uh if. you look at it online, training lab on.

Instagram. T R EI GN lab. >> Uh Inglab training, but training is T R. E I G N like train MMA. >> Yeah. I I I I know that name, the. training lab, cuz I was like, man, what. a weird way. >> That's it. So, you see Aaron Pico's. there with him. There's Hamzant. So, I. mean, he's got so many elite guys that. are training inside of that gym. >> There's one. >> I wonder how they how they work that in. Obviously, they have their coaches and. stuff dealing with it, but like how they. operate if such.

>> intense. Well, the issue with Hamzot was. overtraining. Um, so one of the things. about Hamzot is uh he's apparently you. can't kick him out of the [ __ ] gym. He he he won't stop training and you. gota you gotta literally like stop him. from training. He's a maniac. And when. he got COVID, that's what really [ __ ]. him up. So he got CO and you would. think, well, healthy guy like that who. gets CO, that ain't going to be [ __ ] for. him. This silly [ __ ] was. training like an animal, two-hour.

sessions with CO. So then, you know, he's never getting better. So instead of. like saying, "Hey, this cold is not. getting better." He's like, "Don't be. [ __ ] I kill everyone." He shows up. again, training again, two and a half. hours, sick as a [ __ ] dog, coughing, and then he broke his immune system down. to a point where they had to [ __ ]. hospitalize him. Yeah, I remember just. from training while he had CO. That's. all it was. He just refused to stop. training. And look, if you I don't care. what it is, the flu, whatever you have, you're you're trying to train two and a.

half hour days when you have a a serious. lung infection, you're going to [ __ ]. die. There's DC and DC told me he did. one session with him. >> This is on the bike. >> What's that? >> Resistance. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He uses elastic. bands along with a [ __ ] uh a Rogue. Echo Bike. >> Damn. >> Yeah. So, those Rogue Echo bikes, they. suck enough. And to have resistance. bands while you're doing it, too. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. No, Sam's an animal and again. super knowledgeable like knows like what.

your recovery should be or where your. resting heart rate should be and also. super knowledgeable in terms of like. supplements, diet and all that stuff. He. he comes from the um the endurance. cycling world, >> okay, >> which is like so cycling you would. imagine like tour to France style style. cycling. This probably the most. endurance dependent sport on planet. earth because it goes for so long. Like. you have to be you have to really. understand how to peak in order to. compete at a a real insane endurance.

event like that. So he's got this. knowledge from that sport that he's. transferred over to MMA. But everybody I. know that's trained with him has said. like, man, it just changed everything. Changed my whole game because now all a. sudden you've got an incredible gas. tank. >> Yeah, he's he's doing good. Shiv, like I. said, he looked good. I think that was a. factor though in that fight because. there was no fade in that fight whereas. you saw like the Usman fight there was a. fade in the third round. Usman won that. [ __ ] third round. Yeah. And after. that third round he was like [ __ ] I wish. this was a five round fight. >> Yeah. But it's like also like Usman made. him have output. Yes.

>> He didn't really have to. He had one. explosion to take him down. >> Mhm. >> But Usman can [ __ ] wrestle. That's. the difference. Like he was in there. with a guy who's real strong even though. he's a weight class below him. like it. was Usman had been competing at 170 and. Hamzad had already committed to 85. He's. he's a bigger guy, but Usman can really. wrestle and that's the difference. It's. not like a guy that doesn't know what to. do and you take him down, you ragged. him. Usman's like, "Okay, you got me. down, but this is a long ass fight and. I'm going to get back up and we're going. to figure this out." And in the third.

round, he was figuring it out and he was. he started tuning him up. He was landing. good shots. Yeah, they I I have a friend. that trained with Traaya like he he goes. and helps and he's told me he's like, "Man, his wrestling's really good." I. was like, "How good?" He was like, "It's. good." I was like, "He whoop you?" He. was like, "No, if I if he whooped me, why would they bring me in if I if he. whoops me?" I was like, "Touche. Good. one." But you know, he he is. >> But you still got to watch that. You got. to watch. See what does he consider. whoop. >> Yeah.

>> Let me watch. >> Show me the video. Let me see it. >> Yeah. >> Let me see what they got. Let me go in. the room. I want to see you in the room. >> But I like his demeanor, too. Like the. that the the the confrontation he had. with like Ian Gary. Like he's similar to. me. Like. >> Well, I don't understand that because I. had heard there's another angle that. shows that Ian like slapped him on the. back pretty hard. >> Yeah. >> Oh, he did. >> Yeah. But Ian's that guy. He's like he's. trying to get a rise out of you. >> That way when you do get a rise, he's. like like a big brother, you know, like. >> nitpicking. He's that guy. He wants you.

to get a rise out of you. So then he. could be like, "What are you doing? I I. didn't mean that." He's like, "That's. why I don't really like That's why. that's why I don't like Ian at all.". That's cuz he's. >> Well, you guys were at the same gym for. a while. >> Yeah. And he's And but like. >> I don't know. Like I know like other. things and like things that happened. He's just that guy. Like he's talked. [ __ ] to me through another person. Like. we're at a me and my boy are at a fight. and he's talking [ __ ] to me through his. phone. Bro, shut up. Take your Stop. letting your wife tell you what to do,

bro. Shut up. you know, but like yeah, he he walks over there and he says. something. Dude, he hits him hard on the. back and Sham just looks at him and then. he he did what he did back or whatever. and shoved him whatever the case, however that you saw the confrontation. from there. But yeah, he did he hit him. and he told him he was like, >> "You hit like you hit me, I'm going to. [ __ ] you up." Like if you hit me like. that again, >> he tried to like big brother him like. >> the clip that everybody saw was after he. slapped him on the back. It looked like. Kachamay just got really aggressive with.

it for no reason. >> There you go. There's the other angle. >> Look, keeps hitting him then shakes him. as he walks away. >> Yeah. >> And then he's talking a little [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Like, oh, we're fine. He's not. going to do nothing. >> So, it's a little weirdly aggressive. It. ain't that passive aggressive. >> It's a little weird. He taps him. It was like a little like grab his. clothes and shove him a little bit. Yeah. >> It wasn't like a guy, hey, brother. All. right. >> Exactly. And that's what he said. He's. like, >> "Good luck to you." Yeah. I have to give. it to him. Like some things says or like.

he fought my boy G and he talked [ __ ] to. him in the hallway. >> I didn't really like that. But hey, y'all two are going to fight. Y'all are. grown men. Do what y'all want. Some. things he might say or do I don't like. or agree with. But hey, as long as it's. not to me, we good. But that like and. other things he does, I fully agree. with. I I I stand behind him. But. >> one of the things I like about Chamay. like after he fought Gilbert, Gilbert. and him went to war and then he was. like, "You're my brother now." You know, you know what I mean? He was like he was. really cool with him. >> Yeah. You know, there's a young kid, Ansar, um, that trains at Killcliffe,

and he is so much like demeanor-wise, from what I see of Chamay, he's so much. like that. Dude, I'm telling you, this. kid's like 18 years old, and he is a. stud. He's 18. He fought for me on my promotion, his I. think his debut, dude. He goes and gets. in the guy's face. The guy's coming down. a weight class. He's going up a weight. class. Anar's going up a weight class, dude. He don't care. Matter of fact, he's in uh that streamer's video, Neon. or whatever they post about it. He's the.

one like throwing RDR around him. >> Really? >> Yeah, dude. >> 18-year-old kid, >> dude. He gives everybody problems. Gilbert. Uh, >> wow. >> Was throwing RDR around. >> Isn't it wild when there's like some. weird young phenom that is just so much. better than they're supposed to be when. they're young? >> Dude, >> it's really odd when there's you're. around those guys. There's three there. there's three or four of them that dude. I I miss them a lot like when I'm not. like when I when I left Florida. One, they are such.

loyal humans. Like you barely find that. nowadays as you know. Like you don't you. don't find too many loyal guys. And when. they say like my brother, they don't. care if you're white, black, Indian, uh. what your ethnicity is, what your. religion, they don't care. They care. about you. And dude, when when I got. into it with Marvin at the at the. casino, Ansar wasn't even old enough to. get in. So, he was like, "Brother, if I. would have been there, I hit him. No. problem." Then there but there's like. Nikita, uh, Umran John, which is uh,

Ansar's best friend. There's like Islam. There's a couple of them. Uh, that. there's like three to five. And I'm. telling you, these guys, especially like. Umran John, there he is. Whoa, that's a hell of a shot. Oh my. goodness, >> dude. He is so good. >> Oh my goodness. Look how smooth he took. that dude's back. >> He just he just fought a couple weeks. ago. He knocked some dude out in the. first round. >> That was so smooth, man. Oh my goodness. Oh, he is on that back so quick. >> Answer is so good.

>> You know, there's a one thing that the. these guys have in common is they're all. from a hard part of the world. A [ __ ]. rough part of the world. him and his. best friend uh Umrram John they they. left home at like I think he was 17 18. years old. They just left home. We asked. him like, "Hey bro, why'd you leave. home? How'd you leave home? Like how'd. you get here?". >> They both said the same thing. They. >> look at he's out. He's out. Referee. >> He's a savage. He trains 100%. He don't.

know anything other than 100% every day. >> Multiple times. But we asked him like, "Bro, how'd you look now?". >> I think he's 18, 19 max. >> Wow, >> dude. He's a savage. >> He looks good. >> He's very good. He looks good. If you're. that good at 18, my goodness, >> he's going to be a stud. >> What's he going to be like when he's 30, >> dude? I tell him all the time like, man, if you just learn how to just take a. breath and just be a little bit patient. in certain positions, >> well, that'll come. >> Exactly. But man, he's he he's fighting. good guys already. Like they all they.

all want to fight him. Um John Uman John. was fighting like one or two weight. classes up and he had a draw with a guy. and he thought it was like you would to. think he lost the love of his life. He. had a draw cuz he was two weight classes. up and uh like bro why don't you fight. at your weight class brother. >> I just smash I want to fight everyone. everyone and they can't get fights they. can barely ever get fights so. >> it's hard for phenoms to get fights the. amateurs and in the lore organizations a. lot of people don't realize that it's. really hard. >> yeah they come to me to match them and.

you you got to pay the other guy more to. fight cuz it's like they they already. know like what it is and. >> it was hard it was very hard. >> and so what weight is he at now? I think. he's at 45. >> Damn. >> 45. >> That's That's his last one right there. >> I think. No. No. That's not. >> another big take down, >> bro. Look at the dude's hair he's. fighting. >> That's what he does to everyone. >> Oh my goodness. That is a crazy taked. down. >> He's so exciting. >> I can't believe dudes are still holding. on to guillotines when people get into. side control. How many times they want. watch Oven St. Pro fight, you know? It's.

It's crazy how many people still do. that. They still keep that guillotine. while guy's in side control. Yeah, >> that is a death sentence. Like, and some. people don't cash in on it. >> But it's all if you just cinch those. hands together, he can't get that ham. out. That's it. Turn on your side. That's it. It's It's almost like giving. up your neck. It's like if someone like. gave up their back, everybody like, "What are you doing?" That's like what. you're doing. If you're holding on to a. guillotine and the guy's in side. control, it literally is like giving up. your back and and exposing your neck.

It's kind of crazy. >> It is. But I see these kids like this. and I'm just like, I used to be that. kid. But these guys are even better. You. know what I mean? Like it's scary how. evolution is. >> But like I said, man, I asked these. kids. I was like, "Man, why'd you leave. home? How did you leave home? How'd you. get here?". >> Him and his best friend left together. >> Their story both same thing, different. times. Like, brother, we just left one. day. Our parents, we told our parents we. were going to the store, never came. back. >> What? >> You know, >> and just moved to America. >> Yeah. Like they somehow got here and.

they've been here and dude, they work. during the day. They move stuff like. they they work for moving company and. then they train. So they train in the. morning they go they train train then. they go work all night all through the. night moving stuff try whatever they. have to do whatever their work is but. most of the time I see them moving stuff. and then they come back train the next. day and they do this every single day. working their ass off man. Wow. >> It's super impressive and it's super. motivating too. But it's it just lets. you know like. >> like for me I used to be that young cat.

Like everyone was 24 25. I'm 17 18. >> Yeah. >> And I'm doing what I'm doing and now I. see these kids and I'm like. >> damn. So that's what it was like when. the older guys were looking at me but. these guys are better. >> Kids forget when they get like. complacent in their career and they. become like a journeyman and they forget. what it's like to be young and hungry. and then they'll train with someone and. that'll either make them retire or it'll. reinvigorate them. It's it's awesome. >> because if you're around like people. that are that driven, it becomes. contagious. It really does. Especially.

if you know that a guy is working all. day and training that hard, like you got. no excuses, >> right? >> And it's also there's like a when you're. around people like that, there's a an. energy. It's it catches you. It like. moves you in its wake. >> It does. You're right 100%. Cuz like I. get in my modes where I don't want to do. nothing. I'm just like, man, screw this. I've done this long enough. Like. whatever. But then I go I go back and. like say today for instance I went and. train with Nikki Rod. They whooped my. ass. I ain't going to lie to you. They. whooped my ass. And I told them after I. was like it should be illegal that y'all.

just whoop me that bad. And uh they're. like yeah but you ain't done nothing and. you know you don't do pure jiu-jitsu. anymore. Like we're the best in the. world. Like some of the best in the. world at pure jiu-jitsu. >> It's true. >> I was like yeah but still I shouldn't be. getting walked like that. And uh but it. just it makes me hungry to almost. everybody. >> I love it man. He's so big. He's such a. freak. >> Dude, I told him today I was like, "How. are you this big and move like this? This is should be illegal." Dude, >> Gordon told me there was a position once. they were doing where they were um. working from the back and Gordon had his.

back and Nikki flipped over the top of. him and wound up behind Gordon and. Gordon turns to John Donner and goes, "What the [ __ ] am I supposed to do with. that?" Like, "What do I do if that. happens?" It's like, well, Donner was. like, "Well, nobody could do that other. than Nikki, >> dude." Like, >> that's how crazy that is. >> He's so sick. You know how nuts that is. to do a back flip from your knees? >> I couldn't. >> And go over the top of someone who's got. your back. >> I can't even visualize. >> Separated the hands. Somehow another he. separated the hands and flipped over. him. >> And Gordon was like, "Okay." Cuz Gordon.

would be the first to tell you even. though he's the best in the world and. the best ever at no jiu-jitsu. He's not. a explosive guy. >> Yeah. >> He's not. He was like, "I'm not a good. athlete.". >> He's intelligent though. Super super. intelligent. >> Super smart. >> Yeah, he's super intelligent. >> Super smart. >> I've listened to some of his like. instructionals before. Mhm. >> And like uh I know he did one at. Rufusport a long time ago and the guys. told me after cuz I was obviously at. home and they were like, "Bro, he he was. in a wheelchair cuz I guess he had a. surgery at the time and he was in a. chair and his lady was teaching like she.

was teaching for him and he was walking. through every single position. They they. all everyone said that was the best in. uh seminar they ever been to. He didn't. he didn't get down there and teach one. move.". >> That's incredible. That's incredible. >> I was like that's impressive. >> Well, you could if you could do a. seminar from a wheelchair. Jesus Christ, >> dude. Impressive. You know, Vagner says. the same thing. He's like, "Bro, he's. the best guy I've ever trained with, learned from anything. He's He's. amazing." So, I've heard it from a lot. I've heard a lot. >> There's another guy, though, that's 365.

days a year of training. He goes, "Period. There's no days off. [ __ ] your. Christmas. [ __ ] your birthday. There's. no days off." Which is so crazy to think. of. But. >> the way they put it and the way Donner. put it is like, "If you are training 200. days a year, that is a lot. But you will. not be able to beat a guy who's training. 365 days a year because he has 165 more. training sessions a year. So over the. course of two years now he has, you. know, >> 300 plus then 400. It keeps going and. going. So over the course of 5 years,

like he's trained so much more than you. >> It's true. >> And it's not just training. It's like. when they're not physically training, they're going over tape all day, >> right? like which is like it's hard to. do that and to keep your mind focused on. that. They're writing things down. They're going over positions. It's not. just all hard physical work. >> It's intelligence. >> It's a lot of breaking things down. A. lot of like the finer points of. technique and positioning. >> It's It's funny you say that because. it's like for me like when we were.

talking earlier about how like time off. it re reinvigorates your mind. It's like. that's what it does for me. Like I I I. probably do a hundred reps in a day of. like things that I I've screwed up on. like throwing a jab wrong or leaving my. hand down or like in my head, my mental. reps and then somehow when I do go train. again, it's just so weird. Like it my. body just automatically does it. Like. say I I throw the jab and I just bring. it back to my chest. I don't want it. there. I want it at my on my chin. >> I th I do so many mental reps of this.

for like a week or two weeks or however. long I'm out. By the time I spar again, I'm not doing it no more. Like I do so. many mental reps, focus on such little. details. But then outside of that, I. really take my time I try to take my. time away from fighting. Like when I'm. not training for the most part, like. especially like the month after the. fight, I don't want to hear about. fighting. I don't want to talk about. fighting. That's why I stay away from. like most people that don't know me. I I. don't want to talk because anytime they. see me, oh, what do you think about this. fight? What's next? This. >> I don't know, man. Like. >> you just want to let your.

>> motivation return. I just want to be. with my family. I want to be a normal. person because one day fighting is not. going to be there for me. It's always. been there for me since I was 13 when I. had um anxiety about something, stress, heartbreak, whatever it is. It's always. been there for me and that's when I. always grew, >> but it's not the end is a lot closer. than the beginning, right? >> You know, that's that's where I'm at in. my life. And I know that. So, I'm trying. to make the most of it and try. But. >> you think about like high-end, you got. 10 years if that's really possible. >> Maybe it's not usually. And usually the.

last few are rough because the last few. you like Anderson after he broke his. leg. >> Right. Right. >> So I say there's like two Andersons. There's Anderson pre-wideman and post. Widman. >> For sure. >> There's the knockout where Widman caught. him at the left hook and then there's. the leg break in the rematch. And then. from then he's never been Anderson. again. >> Correct. >> And I think the injury has a lot to do. with it. But it's also father time. I. don't I don't think we got Anderson in. the UFC till he was 34. >> It was a while cuz he was already big on. the other suit. >> Huge, bro. That was one of them fights.

where um people didn't really know. Anderson that well and he was fighting. Chris Leeben and the odds were Anderson. was the favorite but not by enough. And. I was telling my friend I'm like bet the. house. >> on the Brazilian. I go bet the house. Yeah. >> Cuz he was coming off of that. Remember. Cage Rage? >> Yeah. >> So he was coming off of uh the Lee. Murray fight. He was coming off who did. he fight over there as well? He fought. Jorge Rivera. That was a big fight. There was a Tony Frricklin one where he. did that crazy step in elbow.

>> Oh yeah, I saw the highlight of that. I. didn't know that was the name, but I. know the the elbow you're talking about. >> That elbow. Do you know he had a. practice with his wife because uh his. coach wouldn't let him try it. >> Really? >> His coach was like, "Stop doing that. You're not going to do that." He goes, "I'm going to hit him with this." He's. like, "No, you're not going to do that. Stop training that." So, we didn't want. him training that. So, he told his wife. to hold a pillow. So, his wife was. holding a pillow at home and he was. going like this. >> s over and over again. He was just. practicing. He wanted to do some on the. box [ __ ]. >> What a great story to have.

>> No, that was Anderson. Like people. didn't people saw him in his prime for. sure obviously because he's one of the. greatest of all time but. >> for sure. >> they didn't see that transition to him. becoming in his prime and that was in. cage rage cuz he had some really good. fights in in pride but then when he went. to cage rage like something flipped man. you know how it has like Olivea when it. happened to him after he had his kid you. know something flipped sometimes when a. fighter just locks in and then they. become who they really are. >> Yeah. Who everyone around them knows. because they've seen it in the gym but.

no one else has seen it. It's uh it's. weird. Like I always say that about. myself. Like. I still haven't I'm still not the guy. that everyone knows in the gym. I show a. little bit more every time, but I'm not. even that that guy. >> Well, maybe this changing of environment. and coaching will allow you to hit that. spot. >> The coaching like you were talking about. earlier, right? It has been the hardest. thing for me to let go like of control. and give it to someone else. But it took. it was kind of one of those things. I.

met Harasio and Mike and I have. obviously a lot of trust and a lot of. faith in Bal. I've known him for a long. time and I see what he's done but I met. these guys and Max too. Um I met him for. 5 days when I was with Bal and uh to. watch sit back and watch them also have. my own interactions with them just felt. like you know one of those things you. just feel like you're friends instantly. like you know known each other forever. That's kind of what that connection was. with them. So, honestly, it was a little. bit easier than normal to let go of like.

um the control of like controlling what. I'm going to do, when I'm going to do. it, the strategy. >> Did you think about other camps as well? Did you think about. >> I didn't think I was going to leave to. be honest with you. I didn't think I was. going to leave Florida. I was just going. there to help my friend and just kind of. see what I could do different, like what. I could change in my own in my own. thing. >> Um but then obviously uh my goal after. being there cuz he was getting ready for. Jack uh Bal was. So, I watched. everything. I helped him for a few days. and then I went back. I fought.

Marvin. and I was at um I did two or three weeks. with uh at Chicago. Two weeks. I did two. weeks, excuse me. I did two weeks and. then um I did like four or five in. Florida. So I was like, "Okay, next time. I'm just going to do split it four and. four, you know, spend my time mix and. match because it was great time like for. me." Then I fought Ditter. He was there. And I was like, I don't know. It didn't. sit well with me how all that stuff. went, like how he got there and.

everything. And everyone was like, "Oh, why is he fighting him, their. teammates?" And I told everyone from the. beginning, like you can ask Gilbert. Burns because he said it on his little. podcast thing he did. I always said, "I'm not going to train with him. I'm. going to fight him one day. I'm good. No. animosity. I just don't need no more. friends.". >> Like, I just don't. >> Right. >> Um I have enough guys. the guys that I. know that I'm friends with, Joe Pyer, Rod Gregory Rodriguez, uh, Bisangor, um, those are guys that are gonna be at. the top or at the top that we have.

agreements only for a belt. I'll fight. anyone on this planet for a belt, anyone. And I expect the same in return. because it could change my their lives. or my own, you know? >> Yeah. >> So, um, they know that about me, but no. matter what the time frame is, if you. say yes to me or you say my name, we're. going to fight. That's it. Like, that's. how that's how I feel. But those guys. are the guys that I have with and now. they're all coming to the top. So it's. like, you know, someday it's it's. probably going to happen. So it's like I. don't. >> hates hearing that kind of [ __ ] Like. guys won't fight friends.

>> Yeah, but I'll fight for a belt though. Anyone on the whole planet, Godzilla, I'll fight for the belt. I don't care. And Ghanu, I'll fight him for a belt. I. don't care. Like, you know what I mean? Like it could change my whole life. Like. my families, you know? >> Sure. So like I I'm very realistic cuz. obviously even if you love to do this at. this level it's about the money too. Like. >> you know it's financial freedom. >> Making intelligent choices because one. slip up could set you back two years. >> Yeah. I'm learning that. >> Yeah.

>> I learned that the hard way. >> Well that's also important to learn, right? It's also important to have those. setbacks. Those setbacks are some of the. most important growth points in your. career in anybody's career if you do it. right. Like those set those setbacks are. when you feel that ugliness and then you. really have to assess what could I have. done differently, right? >> What am I doing wrong? What's my is. there something about my mindset? Is. something about my diet? Is there. something about my recovery? Am I doing. too much of this or too little of that? >> You have to have that pain if everything. is just going great. The thing going.

into the fight was Aspenol's every fight. other than the Curtis Blades fight was a. one round fight. It was him blowing guys. out. And so no one really knew what was. going to happen if we got into round. three, round four, round five. And so. that question is always hovering over. the head. When a guy like you who's been. in those wars and been in the trenches, you've already had that's a blessing. It. really is a blessing because it gives. you not just the motivation to return. better than you were before. Like look. at Bo Nichl after he lost, right? He.

loses to Ditter, comes back and smokes. Adolf Vieira. Looked like a different. guy. Looks like a different guy. Why? Because of that. There's a blessing in. losing. There's a blessing in failure. There really is. Because if you can. swallow it, it will give you a [ __ ]. furnace inside you to come back. stronger. If you can swallow it, but. some guys can't swallow it. They choke. on it and they they cry and and maybe. their confidence gets shattered and. they're never the same again. Or maybe.

they go, "Why am I doing this? I could. be a carpenter. I always wanted to play. drums." You know, >> I've thought of that. I thought of that, but I don't want to go back to being a. carpenter. I'm good with that. >> A guy like Tom Aspenol, when he gets to. a fight with a guy like Ginganu or a guy. who's going to be there, those. questions, and I'm not saying that he. wouldn't succeed. I'm not saying he. wouldn't win, but those questions might. be in your head because you haven't been. in those high-profile wars before where. you came up short. >> That, you know, I still get those. question. I question I I'm such a.

perfectionist and I know nothing will. ever be perfect, but I want as close to. it as I can get that still. >> great mindset. >> I find something I will always find. something to be negative. But what's. helped me is I had a sports psychiatrist. for a while. He was great. >> Um. and I learned a lot with him and for me. it's it's been about like I'm very like. open with people that I care about and. that I know care solely about me. They're not worried about if I win or. lose or you know all that stuff. off the. fame. They're not worried about that.

They care about me as a person. And that. was something that was great with Bal. and Harasio and all the guys in Chicago, Mike, Max. You know, we talk regularly. How are you, man? How's the family? Everything good? How's how but I'm very. open with them leading up to the fight. Like, there's a clip from behind the. scenes of the last fight where I'm I'm. open and they catch it. Like, it's just. me being vulnerable of who I am. I was. too manly or whatever or trying to to. suppress it before where it just grew. into something bigger and I would. mentally shut down. Um, Malcoun was the. worst fight for me for that. I was.

shaking in the bed the night before. Like I I thought like I was freezing, but I wasn't. I was so nervous of like I. can't lose to this guy. He's not on my. level. And then I go out there and. perform not that well. >> So your mind was [ __ ] you. >> Yeah, cuz I find one negative thing and. I just focus and I make it huge. >> I think it's good sometimes. >> I think it's good sometimes, but it's. it's like almost like you have to be. critical but yet also confident, >> right? And I I would take my confidence. away by by focusing on it. But being. able to talk about it like again they. had that moment. I have it on my.

Instagram that they made a clip or. whatever for me and um it was it's just. literally it was two nights before the. fight, three nights before the fight and. we're we're talking and I'm telling like. he could get me down. He could he could. finish me but if he finishes me on the. ground he's got to be just that good. But I'm nervous man. I'm nervous that. I'm not going to go out here and perform. to what I know that I can do. That's to. me that's the worst. I don't mind losing. to someone that's better than me. I can. take it. I haven't found that man yet, but I know it's going to happen. But to.

lose to someone truly better than me, I. can accept it. But to lose to myself, oh. man, to look in the mirror, it eats me. alive. I think those things that can. creep into your head before a fight. where I don't want to lose. I don't want. to disappoint people. I don't want to do. this. Then that is a really bad time to. have those thoughts. It's not a bad time. to have those thoughts when you're. working on stuff. It's not a bad time to. have those thoughts like if you're. really trying to motivate yourself to. get up in the morning and run or. whatever it is like to really get after. it in strength and conditioning.

>> but when you're fighting like you have. to have a strategy of how to squash. those thoughts when they come up and it. get I mean it's not just fighting. anybody who's listening to this anything. in life that you have to do that's. really difficult and scares you got to. know how to squash negative thoughts. before they burn your house down. Like. when you see the fire, >> stomp that [ __ ] out quick. Stomp it out. quick and then. >> make sure that you're starting to really. only focus on positive things and never.

let it get cuz they those little creepy. demon thoughts, they'll get in and then. they start running around. They start. running around. They start screaming and. taking over your brain. You're like, "GET OUT OF MY HEAD. GET OUT OF MY. HEAD." BUT THEY'RE ALREADY IN THERE. You. let them in. You let them in. And. sometimes they have to burn your house. down before you realize what the what. the danger is of them getting inside. your head, right? >> And so then the next time you've got to. come up with a strategy to squash it. before it gets too crazy. >> We did a lot of like uh at the beginning. of like sports psychiatrist like that. was one thing, right? Like I would.

suppress it right away and suppress it. and it tried to creep back through and. I'd suppress it again. >> But then it just gets bigger and. stronger to where it can just come out. and you don't know when it's going to. come out. It could be the night of the. fight. It could be the day before the. fight. could be in the fight, you know? So, it's like that taking it in, whatever that emotion is for you, dissecting it, like literally get to the. root of why you think this, like, oh, I. think he can knock me out. If I dissect. it, well, yeah, he's knocked a lot of. guys out, but anyone can knock anyone. out, right? >> Anyone can. So, what are you nervous of?

You've done this like for me over 30. times. Like, >> what are you worried about? You fought. on the biggest level. You've main. evented. You're you're ranked in the. world. You fought some of the best in. the world. Like, what are you worried. about? You let a demon sneak into your. brain. >> Yeah. You know, and once I dissect it, I've worked on it like that so well. And. being open and honest with my coaches. and like the people that I care about. and they care about me has been such a. great like thing for me. I'm kind of the. guy like sometimes like just I've. learned about myself is just like just. let me talk. If sometimes I'm not a big.

talker, but just let me talk if you. don't even have to say nothing but damn. that's all right, bro. That's why Tuco. who always see me with normally he's. always with me, >> bro. He's the best at just like. listening to me. Like it's not very. often, but when I do want to talk, >> like I'm like, "Bro, like he he'll ask. me what's wrong with I don't think you. want to hear it today." Like I'm good. He'll ask me that a couple times. Eventually, I'll just let it out and. then I'm good. I'm I'm good. Like. >> it's almost like you have to tell. somebody what what's going on inside. your head. And if you keep it inside.

your head, uh. >> there's the wings. The wings are coming. demons. and flying monkeys. throwing fire bombs inside your head. Wizard of. >> Oz launching them, bro. So, it's like. that's been great for me. That that's. really helped in it. I I you know, I've. had a couple younger kids that like have. asked me, "Oh, how's that?" And I turned. them on to my guy that I used to use. >> What did you do with the psychiatrist? Like, how did what were the sessions. like? >> We would talk about things like this. He'd have worksheets and stuff like. this, but you know what really really.

sunk in. So first we worked on like. learning to catch emotions. He called it. something but learning to catch. different emotions before they grow. So. you can dissect the fire before it burns. your house down. >> So like recognizing first is recognizing. anything you have to recognize. If you. recognize it 30 minutes the first time. All right let's try for 25 the next. time. Don't let it like you thought on. it for 30 minutes and you're like [ __ ]. why am I thinking about this right? >> Let's do 25. So keep until you can get. it like right away. Then we dissect it. >> and then we move on about our day. Uh.

things that helped me at the beginning. were like um. >> Does it help you talking with a. different person like another person. about this rather than just bouncing it. off your own head? >> Yes, for sure. >> Something about talking to another. person makes it real. >> Yeah. It and it it just like gets it out. like I'm holding it in, holding it in, holding it in. As soon as I talk, it's. like it's literally like leaving my. body. Like. >> the stress just kind of like And. sometimes they have like good things to. say like. >> things like like that. My sports. psychiatrist is the one that told me. those things like, "Bro, you've done. this how many times? he fought these.

guys like. >> did he ever work with fighters before? >> Uh he was working with a small team in. New Orleans. >> and now he like he's got other guys in. the UFC now because they would ask me. and I turn him on and he's he's great. His name's Eric. He's he's really great. He's from New Orleans. >> Cuz I would think of a guy was like a. sports psychiatrist for like tennis. It's like some things would carry over. but it's a very different thing. >> And he trained as well. He grew up. wrestling and stuff. >> Okay. Perfect guy then. >> Exactly. And it just it just uh it. worked out great man. I learned a lot. Like I kind of figured out what worked. for me. So I was like, "All right." And.

I get so busy. But um another thing he. gave me was uh you read it the day like. after you weigh in, you read it and then. you finish like it has a part to where. it says read up to this point and then. you read this the rest of the section uh. the day of the fight. And it's I forget. the author. I have it in my phone. somewhere uh that he sent me a long time. ago. And I would read it before every. fight. Everyone at at like the Apex when. we was in the Apex all the time. We I'd. weigh in and we had to wait that like. two hours till like we could face off if. you weigh in first. And I'd sit there.

and I'd read it and it was like an. author and he talks a lot about like. different sports and like like one of. his basic things is like hope. The word. uh hope hold on possibilities exist. Like don't ever think it's over. It's. done. Don't ever say I have to do. something. I want to do something. I. don't have to. The moment you start. putting I have to is the moment you. start like he says like put like change. You hit the emergency stop button. the. emergency brake on your car, like you. got to let it off. You're not performing. at your best with all those things. So, like stuff like that really like sets in.

and I try to remind myself. So, like. reminding myself of those things, talking about it is really like what. helps me. >> This book, Is it a book? >> It's like a little uh. >> pamp pamphlet. >> Yeah, kind of. I. >> Do you know who wrote it? >> Uh, it's in my phone. I can find it. >> Well, just like so other people can look. at it. >> because it sounds pretty powerful. >> It It was great, man. And if it helped. you, there's there's a a lot of like. hokey sort of self-help stuff online, you know, be a [ __ ] man, go out and. get it done, and there's there's a wolf.

inside of you and all that kooky [ __ ]. But the reality is there's a lot of. wisdom out there, too. There's a lot of. like you could read meditations by. Marcus Aurelius and literally learn how. to live a better life. Like, there's a. lot of stuff out there that's very. beneficial. So, when someone like. yourself has something that really. helped them, I think it's probably good. to put it out there so other people. could get it. >> You know, it's so crazy now I'm looking. through like the documents and stuff. that he sent me. Like mindfulness was. the word I was looking for when you. catch it. Like mindfulness, like stuff.

like that. But it's funny. >> Mindfulness is one of them co-opted. words. >> It's been co-opted like gratitude and. spirituality. It's one of them words. that like too many kooky people use. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Too many wooden. >> The first time he told me I was like, "Bro, don't tell me where. about to get. some crazy [ __ ] bro. I'm not that kind. of guy, you know? Like, >> don't you hit me with no mindfulness, son. >> Yeah, man. But look, I'm literally going. through right here, right? And he would. send me stuff right before a fight or. like. >> So, you send me quotes. >> He'd send me uh YouTube links. >> Look at the second one from the top.

>> Uh, who is it with me? Who is it? Uh, >> David Gogggins. Oh, that's hilarious. >> He sent me that like stuff like this. >> Gogggins is a perfect example that he. says things all the time that I think. of. Jaco, when I'm when I'm working out. and I'm really tired, I think of this. one Jaco video where it's called good. Have you ever seen that video? >> No. >> You want to get fired up? >> Yeah, I want to see it. >> Can we play that? We get fired up. This. is one of my all-time favorite videos. You know, Jaco, right? Joo. Yeah. So.

Jaco, you know, was a Navy Seal and uh. was he's got a book called uh Extreme. Ownership. >> and it's just the way he thinks, the way. he carries himself is it's so it's so. beneficial if you can adopt this that. there's sometimes where I'm training. where I'm [ __ ] really really tired. and I want to quit. I think of Jaco and. I go, "Good, you're tired. That means. you're going to get stronger.". >> Listen to this. This is my.

>> direct subordinates, one of my guys that. worked for me. He would he would call me. up or pull me aside with some major. problem, some issue that was going on, and he'd say, "Boss, we got this and. that and the other thing." And I'd look. at him and I'd say, "Good.". And finally one day he was telling me. about some issue that he was having, some problem, and he said, "I already. know what you're going to say.". I said, "Well, what am I going to say?". He said, "You're going to say good.". He said, ' That's what you always say.

when something is wrong and going bad, you always just look at me and say, 'G. good.'. And I said, 'Well, yeah, when things are. going bad, there's going to be some good. that's going to come from it. Didn't get. the new high-speed gear we wanted. Good. Didn't get promoted. Good. More time to get better. Oh, mission got cancelled. Good. We can. focus on another one. Didn't get funded.

Didn't get the job you wanted. Got injured. Sprained my ankle. Got. tapped out. Good. Got beat. Good. You. learned. Unexpected problems. Good. We have the opportunity to figure. out a solution. That's it. When things are going bad, don't get all bummed out. Don't get. startled. Don't get frustrated.

If you can say the word good, guess what? It means you're still alive. It means. you're still breathing. And if you're. still breathing, well, now you still got some fight left. in you. So get up, dust off, reload, re-calibrate,

re-engage, and go out on the attack. >> Oh yeah, that's a good one. You know. what I'm saying? >> That's a good one. >> Play that one when you're in the [ __ ]. dressing room. >> This is what it is. >> Getting ready. >> I don't know if it's these are the. things he sends you. Okay. So, um it's. called How Sports Psychology Can Help. You Do Your Best When It Means the Most. United Copy. Who's the author? Um does.

it say? Oh, Rob Gilbert. Rob Gilbert, PhD, Montlair State University, Montlair, New Jersey. >> Okay. >> It's pretty cool. >> Um God, I'll ask you to send me that. afterwards. >> Of course. >> I love [ __ ] like that. It's a like. there's little things like that that you. can carry in your toolbox and they can. help you and not just if you're a. professional fighter, but in basically. everything in life. >> It's been um. it really helped change.

>> How's Bal doing? Who [ __ ] gets poked. in the eye more than that guy? >> Jesus Christ. That guy has had I think. he's had something insane like nine eye. surgeries. I know he's had three of the. hard ones like of the the he literally. he he told me the story he had to drive. home six hours his his uh excuse me his. wife came and got him and brought him. home but this is a while back. Uh he had. to drive six hours with his head like. that because something with the pressure. you can't cinch straight up with it. It's it's crazy. He explained it to me.

but it's like it blows my mind. I. couldn't believe he got poked again by. Gary. I couldn't believe it. The moment. he got poked I'm like I can't believe. this is happening. I can't believe it's. happening, >> dude. I thought the same thing. >> Look at Oh my god. Look at that one, right? >> Look at that finger in his deep in his. [ __ ] eyeball. That is so crazy. >> Yeah. >> That's so crazy. >> So, he's had major surgeries on his. eyes. >> Yep. >> And then Ian poked him like right away. I was like, "This is crazy." I I don't. know how you feel, but I feel like it.

should be an instant onepoint deduction. at least. Every time at least. At least. >> I like what Tom Aspenol said. He was. like, "No, you poked me in my eye. You. want me to continue? Okay, no problem. I. get to poke him in his eye, >> right?". >> I was like, "Well, a lot of people are. talking [ __ ] about Tom, but he he. apparently still can't see.". >> Yeah. >> Like his eyes still [ __ ] up. Like, no. one knows. Here's the thing. The eye the. other eye got hurt as well, but not as. bad, but it looks way worse. The finger. goes way deeper in the other eye. >> Dude, I poked her, >> bro. He went straight three stooges. Boink.

>> And you know, it's it's crazy that. everyone that talks the most [ __ ] has. never been poked in the eye. Not even a. little bit, like accidentally. >> Oh, it's horrible. You know, >> it's like a a bolt of lightning in your. brain. >> and then you can't see. And if the idea. that you can't see and then you're. supposed to fight a guy, >> also you're you're fighting a guy in Ian. Garry who has a [ __ ] nasty left hand. >> So if you get poked in your eyeball and. you can't see that punch gun, well, he's. got a nasty right hand, too. I mean, Ian. Gary can strike. Oh god, that's all. right there. >> Look at that. So look at the right one.

The one the excuse me, the left eye. That's deeper. And that one didn't get. hurt as bad. It's his right eye that. really got hurt. The left one is like. finger knuckle deep in his eyeball, man. >> Dude, it's crazy. You know, like um. Bal's like one of those guys you talk. about 365. 24/7. He's ready. He's doing something. always. I'm I'm even like, "Bro, take a. break, bro. You've earned a little. break. Take a week off. Be with your. with your family." You know, he won't. Well, at his stage of his life, it might.

be the only way to keep going because. he's at like 38 now, right? >> Yeah, something like that. >> It's re like that's the same age as. Usman. And uh you know, you can still be. a world class fighter at that age. You. could clearly see that with Camaro. against Buckley. Like a lot of people. counted him out cuz we Buckley was. [ __ ] a lot of people up. >> Yeah, he was. >> We Buckley, bro. Woo. That guy's a. problem. He's a [ __ ] problem. >> I've known him for a minute, man. He's a. He's wild and fast and he keeps getting.

better and he's really [ __ ] he he's. really [ __ ] intelligent about how to. land shots. He knows how to set things. up. >> He likes to fight. >> He loves to fight and he's, you know, he's just just a dog just in the fight, man. He's always dangerous. That. Wonderboy fight, you know, he's have a. little having a little bit problem. solving that distance and that range. until he didn't. >> Until he did, man. Bro, that dude's got. hammers in his fist. >> Yes. So when watching Kamaru just ragd. doll him like that I was like god damn.

[ __ ] yeah. It looked like Kamaru world. champion level Kamaru like a lot of. people have kind of counted him out. because there's this narrative that he. puts out there openly about his knees. >> Yeah. >> Oh he talked about it on this podcast. openly. His knees are [ __ ]. >> He's like I got to go downstairs. backwards sometimes. >> cuz they hurt so much. >> I heard he went and did like a lot of. stuff to like redo them and now he says. they're good but I don't I don't know. I. don't know about that. Well, uh, I know. he went to Colombia. He went down to, uh, that, uh, Bio Accelerator place in.

Colombia. I don't know if he's been to. the place in Tijana that the UFC uses. now, the the Cellular Performance. Institute, but they're all very similar. We're being held back to such a [ __ ]. ridiculous extent in this country by the. FDA, that you don't realize how many. people with neurological conditions, how. many people with severe injuries, how. many people could be helped by stem. cells. And there there's no evidence. that they're damaging people. There's no. evidence other I mean look anytime you. have any invasive procedure anytime.

anytime you have a surgery there's. always some risk that something can go. wrong. There's always a risk in any. medical procedure but there's no. outstanding risks versus rewards to stem. cells. On the contrary the the the. evidence is outstanding results. including like some of the things Dr. Neil Rearen has been doing down in. Panama with people that have like severe. neurological problems, guys that have. had CTE, like real real real bad [ __ ]. other than just injuries. And then even.

injuries like my mom had a really bad. knee and I sent her down there and it. got a lot better. I sent her I sent her. down there twice. A lot better. Mel. Gibson, his dad couldn't walk. He's he. was like almost 90. He was like 80 years. old. And then um he went down, got his. hips done, got his Neil um Neil did his. shoulders, his hips, a bunch of other. stuff and and did Mel as well. And he's. like, "No, my dad was like up and. walking around like 5 years later still. like like he was 10 years younger." Like.

>> he's a great actor by the way. >> Oh, Mel. He's the man. He's the man. I. love that guy. >> He's crazy, too. He's He's so. interesting. He's such that guy's got. like a [ __ ] tornado going around in. his brain all the time. >> Really? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's why. he's such a good director, man. Did you. ever see Apocalyptto? >> Yeah. One of my favorites. >> I [ __ ] love that movie. >> Same. It's one of my favorites. >> Such a good movie. >> I love that movie, too. >> Such a good movie, man. Such a good. movie. >> Great ones. >> I mean, he made a movie where nobody. speaks English.

>> Exactly. >> And it's a blockbuster. >> And it's amazing. >> It's [ __ ] incredible, dude. It's. [ __ ] incredible. >> I love that one. But like I like his old. stuff, too. Like Braveheart. >> Braveheart was amazing. Passion of the. Christ was really good, too, man. >> The Patriot was good. >> Yeah, dude. He's [ __ ] He's the real. deal, man. Mel Gibson's the real deal. >> What's the one he. think I'm crazy, but uh I think it's. Think Like a Woman. You ever seen that. one? >> I did not. >> Bro, that is freaking hilarious. >> What is it? >> It's like um he gets trapped in like he.

can like read a woman's mind. >> Oh. >> And so cuz like he's basically a guy he. works he's a journalist or like a. publisher or something like that. And um. he's very like a womanizer. like he gets. women and just like whatever and they. always like talking [ __ ] about him. behind his back like everyone else. So. now like he's trying to move up the. ranks. Uh he's supposed to be next in. line for a promotion. Well, he's has his. daughter come in and she leaves the the. the. blow dryer and he trips on it and falls. in the uh the water, gets electrocuted.

and he wakes up and now he can hear all. women's thoughts and it like changes who. he is as a person. That's it's amazing. like she gets his promotion. So now he. >> 2000, >> bro. Great. Funny as Helen Hunt. >> No, he's been great in a lot of He was. He was great in that conspiracy theory. movie. >> What's that? >> That one. Was it Julia Roberts? >> Yeah, he he was a a wacky conspiracy. theorist guy. >> I don't think I've seen that one. >> It's pretty good. >> Was called Conspiracy Theory. >> Oh, is that what it's called? That's. hilarious. I didn't seen that. And um it.

I I think like a lot of the things that. he talked about now it's like people. openly discuss online, you know, cuz. this was all before the internet. What. year was that? The. >> 97. Yeah. So there were no like. conspiracy theory websites back then. >> He has a lot. >> He has another one where like his wife. works or his daughter, I'm sorry, his. daughter works for this company. She. comes home and it's like this one of. those rich companies that like hide. stuff, but you never can tell because. you never have proof. And she's working. in like a secret department. She comes. home all frantic and uh the dude yells.

something, shoots her with a shotgun. right on the right on his front door. Boom, kills her. So obviously then he. goes and starts trying to figure. everything out and he starts figuring. out like through the way what the work. was doing and it was like poisoning or. something. Well, anyway, he finds the. guy and ends up killing him, but he ends. up dying too cuz he got the poison from. wherever he went into the workspace. Like he he followed he was doing all. kind of [ __ ] But it was super cool, too. >> What movie is that? >> I don't know. You know that movie. >> where he shoots he shoots his daughter. on the front step. Like that's one of. the that was one of the things that sold. the movie. Like that was one of the.

previews. >> Well, how about Leth the Weapon? First. time we ever saw anybody do a triangle. in a movie. >> True. >> Right. >> Yeah, dude. He's crazy. I like his. movies. >> I love that scene. Like that scene. I. was like, what is he doing? I didn't. even know what a triangle was back then. cuz I think that was in the 80s. >> I wasn't even alive. >> When was. when was Le when did Lethal Weapon One. come out? Edge of Darkness. Lethal. Weapon. I think it's like 87 or 88. >> Yeah, man. So, uh, back then, no one. knew what a [ __ ] triangle was, other. than the Gracies. >> People in Brazil knew. Brazil was so far.

ahead of the curve, man. They were. having MMA fights in the 30s, >> dude. I was, uh, I went there for my boy. Tuko. He fought in the Favlla, right? And, uh, yeah, look at this. >> He was it Gary Buucy who he was fighting. in the end? Who was the guy he was. fighting in the end? I don't remember. I. think it's Gary Buucy, right? >> Yeah, it is Gary Buucy. >> You know, he had a headache. Come on.

>> Movies in the 80s are so wild, dude. >> We don't need to watch the whole thing. Let's just cut to the triangle. This is. silly. >> Thought I was coming. >> I thought so, too. >> This guy's back. Oh, Gary Buucy tried to. take it to the ground. Outrageous. Mel. got swept so easily. Oh, Mel's on top.

>> Everybody was doing cocaine with their. right move. Oh, look at that. He goes. right for an arm. Oh, sloppy. Terrible. Terrible left hook. The left leg like. barely held on there. That was some. There it is. There it is. That's not. bad. That's not bad. That's pretty good. I like that. >> He got a good angle. >> Oh, that's not bad at all. >> That's tight. >> He's cinching it up right there. Everybody at home was like, "What is. happening? >> Another man put his legs around another. man's head.". >> I remember when Hoist Gracie did that to. Dan Severn. Everybody was like, "What's. going on?" Like, "What is happening?".

And then all a sudden you see Dan Severn. tap and you're like, >> "What? What happened? What did he do?". He put him to sleep. And my my friend would know better the. lineage and stuff, right? That's where. he's my he's my intelligence. But um we. went to Brazil, right, for his fight. He. was fighting in the favlla at um Josie. Aldo's gym. I don't what. >> Nova. >> Yeah, it's like right on the edge of the. FLLA. It's It's nice though. >> Yeah. Andre Kiner. >> Yeah, he was there. He was super nice. >> He's awesome.

>> He was super nice. Super. >> a pioneer, dude. >> Yes. >> He was fighting MMA in early days. Baron. Really? I didn't know that. Andre. put Oh my god, man. Yeah. >> I didn't know him, dude. We met a lot of. great guys. But we uh we were there with. Daniel Gracie and I think it's Henzo's. mom and then his dad like the whole. lineage was there before he passed away. He was there. We went over there and we. were sitting on their couch chilling, hanging out, talking, meeting all of. them. >> And again, I am absolutely got a with.

names, but I knew like as soon as he. come out of the stairs, he was going. somewhere. He had a nice jacket. Oh, no. He was doing an interview with um uh he. was doing an interview like a little. podcast or something. It was all in. Portuguese. I couldn't understand what. they were saying but dude met him super. nice and then like I think like it was. it was it wasn't too long after that he. passed away but like that's like the one. of the starts of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. >> Was it Ilio? Was it Carlos? Who was it? >> I think it was Carlos I think. I don't. >> Doesn't matter.

>> It was one of them, >> right? >> I could figure it out though. >> Okay. >> But dude, super nice. Like they were all. explaining like the lineage and I've I. started with. >> what's that Jamie? >> Oh, sorry. >> I started with like Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. So. like I used to know that lineage fairly. well, but then you know how life is. You. just get away and kind of forget you're. not around it as much. But. >> yeah, well it's a crazy lineage. I mean. that one family is responsible for. changing mixed martial arts. Dude, they. were telling us so many like cool. stories like things that I had heard. through the grapevine, you know, from. other people when I was younger.

>> But they confirmed it and like they were. even like asking like where the beef. comes from in the family, you know, like. what started that exactly what started. cuz obviously he was in it. He dude he. well they translated for us. >> but he was saying like how it all got. started. >> But beef between what parts of the. family? >> The two beefs they that that they have. Uh, no. It was uh Carlos and who's the. one? One of the brothers went out on. their own because he was like, I don't. want nothing to do with this part of the. family.

>> Was it Han? >> Maybe it was I know that name. They were. saying. >> started the UFC. >> Yeah, it might have been him. >> And Hian also trained Mel Gibson. >> Okay. >> For for this lethal weapon fight scene. There he is. Horian Gracie. >> Horian Gracie in Playboy magazine. challenged Mike Tyson to a no rules. fight. See, I don't want to sound. stupid, so I don't like to stay say too. many names, but you go make me call my. friend and ask him when we leave here. >> Well, Ilio was his father. You know, Hixon's obviously his brother. Hoist is. his brother. Hiler's his brother. I.

think Her and Ho are half brothers. >> Yes, I knew that. They were they were. saying that, but they were just kind of. like going over like old times and. stories and like they were talking about. that cuz apparently like with they were. saying like well Daniel was saying like. within the family cuz he's a Gracie but. I think he's he's like it was his mom or. something like that was but so she's. still a Gracie but anyway or his no his. cousin was a Gracie. So technically like. he's not a real blood Gracie. I don't.

know they tried to explain it. It's very. weird. But anyway, we were there and. they can't they don't talk about it like. why there's a divide between this side. of the family and this side. And they. they explain to like even when they were. kids like they would go in and get into. it. Like say you'd go in and you get in. a fight in the street just like maybe. you're 12 years old. >> Mhm. >> It started they said like basically that. young that like there was a divide. between whatever one and this one and um. because they would go get in a fight and. he would come back and rat on them. And. he was like, "Bro, come on." You know,

so it started as that young. And he said. it was a lot. It wasn't even like, "Oh, it was just one time." No, like multiple. times, you know? So, it was just. interesting to hear like these stories. that these guys had of like when they. were young in the streets like fighting. in Rio. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, Hixon, there's a video. of Hixon fighting somebody on the beach. >> Yeah. They talk about it. >> Some Lutre guy, he smacks him on the. beach. >> Talks about it. They were talking about. it. >> They're fighting in the sand, scrapping. it on the beach. >> Daniel was there for that. Daniel was. there. He was the one that brought it. up. He was there, right? He said he they.

showed the picture of it and he was. right in the back. >> Hixon has those little surfer shorts on. >> He even Daniel explained how it started. I don't remember that exact details, but. dude, it was like, >> well, they would dojo storm each other. They would show up at places and. challenge like Libre gyms and Libre guys. would show up at the Gracie Dojo. >> Dude, it was like, >> "Yeah, here it is. Look at Hixon with. them beautiful colored shorts on just. smacks him like, "Come on, baby. It's. on." And the dude's like, "Take your. shoes off. Come on, let's go." Like.

there, hold my shoes, bro. These are were wild times. Yeah. Especially when you take into. consideration Hixon's widely considered. one of the absolute greatest jiu-jitsu. practitioners of all time, >> you know, and that he was willing to. have these kind of fights on the beach. in Rio, these no rules fights, just. surrounded by dudes. >> and man thongs. >> Yeah. I mean, and not have any striking. Look. See how Hixon's winging punches. These guys had no striking at all.

>> It's really kind of crazy. >> I mean, not not ever saying there's. anything wrong with anything that Hixon. ever did because he's like one of the. greatest of all time, but if you look at. the difference between a guy that's just. a pure grappler like Hixon, even when he. fought in Pride, remember he'd come out. this throw those little stomp kicks just. try to get he's just getting you to the. ground. It's all getting you to the. ground. There's no one like that now. No. one has very little standup. There's no. one who fights like that. >> And it's crazy because there is like so. many stories about like Hoist wasn't.

even supposed to be the one to fight, >> you know? >> He he wasn't even supposed to be the one. that. >> they're supposed to have the the the. other one. >> Well, Hixon was always the champion of. the family and Hoist had always said. that Hixon was 10 times better than him. He said, "Hixon Hixon tapped me every. day. Every day I go to the gym, Hixon. tap me." But it's just like that's just. how it was. But there was all there was. a lot of rumors. One of the rumors was. that, so this is the narrative. Hoy says. it's because he's so beautiful. He's. like, "Look at his face." Of course they. picked me. That's what he said on the.

podcast. It was hilarious cuz he's so. handsome. But but Hixon's handsome, too. So it didn't make any sense. But it was. I think it was cuz Hoist could show that. it was the technique cuz like Hixon was. shredded. I mean, he he's pretty jacked, too. I mean, he looked like like a world. champion athlete. Whereas Hoist looked. like a 170lb guy who was like, you know, not that muscular and it was just. technique. It was him using beautiful. jiu-jitsu technique that nobody knew. what it was. It was like the best.

advertisement ever for jiu-jitsu. When. you see a 175 pound guy tapping out Dan. Sever, you know, was this huge wrestler. and catch or chemo when he got him in. that armbar, like all the [ __ ] that. Hoist did. Ken Shamrock when he tapped. him. crazy to watch a guy that's like so. much smaller than everybody else. dominate everyone and everyone was. afraid of him. So it was like the. perfect thing and the thought was okay. well if he ever does lose. >> we always have Hixon. >> right. >> and then but Hixon went off to Japan and. he did Japan Valley Tudo and then he did. Pride and you know this was always uh.

there was talk at one point in time of. Hixon fighting Fedor. They were throwing. money around for Hixon after he fought. in that coliseum show which I think was. in 2000. When did he fight Faki? When. did Hixon fight Faki? I think it was the. year 2000 and they were talking about. Hixon fighting Fedor. They had made him. an offer Japan for him to come over and. he wanted to do it. >> It never came. >> I wish you I wish you could have heard.

like again because I'm so bad with names. and my memory is not as good as it used. to be. But it it's one of my favorite. memories from fighting. Look at that. >> 2000. >> 2000. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's one of my favorite memories from. fighting, just sitting there and. listening to these guys because the the. history was freaking insane. The stories. were awesome. Like. >> it was uh but like I said, I'm terrible. with names, so I'm very bad with like uh. >> So, look at that. RJ Pettys on that card. versus Genki Sudo. >> Sure is. >> Ended in a draw. And Genkiso was a bad.

[ __ ] That's how good Pedinerys. was. >> I didn't know that. Oh yeah, Pedan was. legit, man. >> Damn. >> Very legit. Very legit. >> Damn. I knew he was a great coach. I I. didn't know he fought. >> fought in the early early days, you. know. I mean, it was the He might have. even fought in extreme combat. Did he. fight in extreme combat? He might have like that was back in the. day when Mario Sperry first on the. scene. He fought back then. Igor Zenovv, all these dudes that everybody forgot. about. >> They fought in uh that was John Pretti's.

card. So, John Peretti, who was the. commentator for the early days of the. UFC, then John Peretti went over and. started his own organization for a. while. >> Yeah, it's crazy like I think like. sometimes, well, I know like I said, I'm. bad at names, right? But it's like I. went and fought in Seattle last year or. was this year. I fought in Seattle this. year and uh they did like there was. Amanda Nunez, Robbie Lawler and there. was one more that got in inducted into. the Hall of Fame this year and uh nobody.

could give like really any fights for. who whoever the other person was and not. many could give too much for Robbie. Lawler. I was like bro how have you not. heard about Robbie Lawler? You mean they. weren't clapping? >> No. Like uh. >> so here it is. Let me just go over this. real quick. Panerys. >> his debut debut fight Japan. That's what. it was. He defeated Ruminos and then uh. >> Pat Militic for the UFC welterweight. title UFC 21. We lost in the second.

round technical knockout. Then he fought. Cow Uno. >> He was a savage. I remember. >> that ended in a draw. So Genkiudo and. Kow Uno, two savages. And both of those. fights were draws. And the um the last. one with Genki Sudo was his last MMA. fight. So how many fights did he have. overall? >> Four. >> Four fights. >> But [ __ ] they're all good. >> Oh yeah. Yeah, he fought legit guys, man. He beat Romanos, >> you know. Ruminosato, man, was [ __ ]. terrifying back then. >> KO soccer kick KO. >> Damn.

>> Yeah. >> But yeah, it was like um. it's just different, man. That time. frame is just different, you know? Well, it is uh it's the birth of the sport and. it's it's kind of amazing to have been. there at the very beginning and to be. able to watch it, you know. Um when I. when I I first found out about it, I. couldn't believe it was real. I had a. bunch of friends that told me about it. I think I I heard about it from dudes at. uh do you remember Benny Oritz? Do you. know who he was? No, I don't know. >> Benny the Jet was a famous kickboxer. Now I'm really going back.

>> Feel like I know that name. >> He was one of the best kickboxers of all. time. Um, and this was like way back in. the day, like in the early 80s. Benny. the Jet was the [ __ ] man in the late. 70s and the early 80s. And he had this. gym in California in Vanise, California. called the Jet Center. And when I first. moved out to California, there's two. places I knew I really had to go. One. was the Comedy Store, and the other was. the Jet Center. And so I got I got to. work out at the Jet Center. And Benny. was there and his cousin uh Blinky, he. was there. and Blinky Rodriguez who was.

another elite kickboxer uh who who. actually knocked out Jean Eve Tero who's. like one of the best kickboxers of all. time. So it was like this incredible gym. but Benny the Jet Aritz was like he was. early like a p like like a the Bill. Superfoot Wallace days like back in. those days you know and um I forget what. I was just saying what I lost my train. of thought. What were we just talking. about before that? LA. >> Yeah. You moved to LA.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I had a point. I. had a point about these uh early MMA. fighters. >> Oh, you were saying it's the birth of. >> this the birth of the sport. So watching. that this this was this is what my point. was. Watching that where there was not. even leg kicks to watching all of a. sudden you see Rick Rufus and he fought. that dude from Thailand. Like one of the. most important fights in the history of. martial arts because you get to see that. dude from Thailand just chop Rick Rufus'. legs apart. And then Rick and Duke both. learned from that and said, "Okay, we. got to incorporate that into our game.".

Duke becomes a world Muay Thai champion. after that, which is like it ch" And. then Duke becomes one of the best MMA. coaches ever. So, it changes the entire. course of the sport. And when I got into. it and started watching it in Oh, that's. what it was. So, the Jet Center, one of. the guys from the Jet Center was like, "You got to see this thing. It's called. the UFC." This was in '94. I was like, "What? What is it?" It was a UFC 2. Like. I didn't even see UFC 1. I saw UFC 2. because that was the only one that was. available on VHS. So I watched UFC 2 and. I was like this is crazy. I'm like how.

is this guy doing this? Like this is and. I was like oh my god like how is. everybody so vulnerable to this one guy? Like this is nuts. So I was like I got. to train jiu-jitsu. and watching all of. these people from that that era and. watching the level of the competition at. that era and what the fights looked like. versus today. There's not another sport. on Earth where you could see a gigantic. difference between 1994 and 2025. Like a.

gigantic difference where it's. unrecognizable. The like that kid that. you were talking about before, the. 18-year-old kid, what's his name again? >> Answer. That guy would have been a world. champion. >> Easy. >> A world champion. Like no one would have. [ __ ] with it. I mean, they we would. said this is the greatest fighter that's. ever walked the face of the planet and. he's a kid that's on undercards of small. regional shows now, right? How crazy is. that? So, like when you're seeing these. guys in the Dana White Contender Series, some of these guys coming up, I'm. watching them fight for their first. fight in the Contender Series. I'm like,

"This guy looks like he'd be fighting. for the title." Like they're complete. fighters. They're fast. They have good. technique. Everything they're doing is. smart. It's like the level has changed. so much in such a short period of time. And I feel so lucky to be able to see. the whole thing. I saw the whole thing. like from the ground floor to today. >> It's crazy cuz you probably hear it all. the time, right? Like I was probably. watching Fear Factor before I knew the. UFC. So when I saw the UFC, I was like, "Dad, look. It's it's him." He was like.

he looks at me because obviously my. dad's seen it before. He's like, "Yeah, son. He's he's been around a while. you. know, he's been in the UFC. I don't even. know if it was longer, but I'm sure it. was. >> Yeah. I was I started working for the. UFC in 97. >> So, he was like, he's always been there. So, then obviously as I get older, I. start seeing history and looking at old. fights and older fights, and I see I. notice you there the whole time. And. like me and my friend Tuco have these. conversations, but I was like, "Bro, Joe's a real one, though. He's he's been. here the whole time. Like how awesome. does it have to be for like you Dana.

Fertas and probably a few others too. that nobody knows that have seen this. thing grow from what it was to what it. is today. >> Oh, it's amazing. >> It's got to be. >> It's amazing. Yeah. I feel so lucky. I'm. I'm so fortunate. Like it's one of the. things I look forward to more than. anything in life. >> UFC weekend. I'm like, "Oh boy, here we. go." I get so excited. I've been doing. this forever. I still I started UFC 12. in 1997. That was the first fight that I. ever did uh backstage interviews. That's.

what I did. Or post-fight interviews, too. I think I started doing interviews. backstage and then I interviewed guys. after the fight was over. That was, you. know, early early. >> But how did you how did you start there? >> It was a crazy fluke. So, uh I was. already doing jiu-jitsu. I was at. Carlson Gracies. This is back before. Vtor made his debut. I was training at. Vtor's uh with Vtor's gym with uh Mario. Sperry. I took lessons from Mario Sperry. when I was a white belt. It was awesome, dude. Marilo Bamante was there all the. time. >> Um there was a ton of the the Carlson.

Gracie killers, you know, the two. bulldogs, you know, fighting each other. Yeah. And Carlson was there every day. So, uh I got to train uh there when I. was on News Radio, the sitcom. I was So, it was just like 1996. >> And um I just loved that there was this. is before Vtor fought in the UFC. So, he. while he was training at the gym with. us, he went and fought this guy John. Hess. John Hess was this big tall. He. fought in the UFC as well, I believe. I. believe he did. John Hess was his he had.

a style called SAFTA. I forget what it. was about, but it was like back then. dudes would just like make up their own. style. Street fighting, artistic, finger. [ __ ] you know, they would make up. some sort of a [ __ ] acronym, but uh. Vtor blitzed across the ring. He was 19. years old and just lit this guy up like. A MACHINE GUN. LIKE GOT HIM down. like like put him out on the ground like. it was so crazy and so fast. the most. ferocious display of ground and pound I. had ever seen in my life at the time.

And I was like, "This is crazy." And so. just randomly, they had a guy who was. doing the post-fight interviews and they. wanted to get a new guy. And they were. looking for people and the guy, Campbell. McLaren, who was the producer of the. UFC, happened to be friends with my. manager from the comedy club days. They. Campbell used to work at a comedy club. with my manager. And he they were just. shooting the [ __ ] over the phone. He. goes, "Hey, I'm I'm looking for someone. to do interviews for the UFC. Um, do you. know anybody that'd be interested?" He.

goes, "Joe is a huge fan." He's like, "Joe watches every one of them." I I. actually got Direct TV just so I could. watch the UFC because that's when it was. banned from cable. So, I got my cable. removed and I got Direct TV put in my. house just so I could watch the UFC. because it was the only way you could. catch it. >> And then uh it was no money. And I was. supposed to fly to New York, but then. the last minute it got cancelled. They. made it illegal in New York. And we had. to fly to Dothan, Alabama on a [ __ ]. propeller plane. I I shared a propeller. plane with Randy Couture. Like.

and uh actually that was later later. that was in Louisiana. I shared a. propeller plane with Randy Couture, but. Randy didn't fight that. But it was uh. Vtor made his debut against Trey. Teligman and everybody thought he was a. jiu-jitsu guy cuz he was from Carlson. Gracie. He had a black belt. >> and he just came out just throwing. missiles, just missiles so fast. Like. nobody had seen anything like that. And. he was only like 200 lb back then. He.

was light and fast and and strong as. [ __ ] And then he fought uh Scott Ferozo. and took him out in the finals. So he. won this heavyweight tournament and that. was uh 1997. >> That's crazy. That was the third person. I was trying to think of when I was in. Seattle. So, basically what happened, UFC was asking fighters, hey, were these. these three guys? They weren't saying. they were getting inducted, but. obviously if you've been around, you. know, Vtor, uh, Amanda Nunez, and Robbie Lawler, >> they weren't cheering for Vtor. That's. >> No, they were asking the fighters,

right? They were asking the fighters, uh, hey, if do you know who these guys. are? If you do, what's your most. memorable moment of them? What do you. what was your favorite moment? Like, anything like that, right? because. obviously they put it on the montage. when they announced it, >> right? >> And um they told me that only me and two. other fighters on the entire card could. give a fight from Vtor. I was like, "No. way." I was like, "That highlight that. you're talking about when he sprints. across." Ding ding ding ding. Even if.

you don't know the person, how do you. not see that highlight. >> when he did that to Vanderlay? Remember. we did? >> That's what I said. That was my. Vanderlay was that one. >> that was crazy. But I think the scariest. Vtor of all time was TRT VTour. >> TRT VTour was the scariest [ __ ] human. being that ever stepped into that cage. If they never banned TRT, I I think that. guy would have been a terror for every. [ __ ] human being that weighed that. weighed 185 pounds. >> For sure. >> The way he wheel kicked Luke Rockold, like what the [ __ ] are we looking at,

man? He We never saw him throw a wheel. kick in his whole career. All of a. sudden he's wheel kicking guys in the. head. He come in the gym like because. obviously I live in Florida. He come in. the gym and he is the nicest guy. Brother, brother, come here. Come here. >> Very nice guy. >> Let's talk about it. Hey, I think uh I. think you need to slow down a little. bit. These 100% everydays. No good, brother. He said, "Why don't you come? We can have some coffee, have a lunch, and let's talk about it." I love the. science behind the sport. >> Uh but super nice guy, right? Like. there's the conversations that I had.

with him and uh if I see him great guy. before this never had a conversation. with him only watched him on TV you know. but that was like the first interaction. I ever had with Vtor as a person I don't. know if he knew who I was he just. watched me spar and then come to me. after that was it. >> that's very nice of him. >> yeah super nice. >> a real OG like him that's been again. fighting since 1997 1997 that's almost. 30 years that's literally crazy. >> it hurt my heart when they said that. people didn't know like no couldn't like.

say fights for him. Couldn't even say a. highlight. >> It's hard. You know, these young guys, a. lot of them, they're 25 years old. 24. years old. They didn't watch this. Joshua Van 24, right? Like didn't watch. the sport a lot before they were. involved in it. And the the fights that. they've really seen a lot of have in the. last few years. >> Yeah. And that's what Josh Van that's. why I said his name. He's young, but he. says the same thing because they were. like, "Why do you think Pinto is the. goat?" He's like, "I know Demetrius. Johnson is what everyone says." is he. was like, "But I I never got to see him, you know, like I was I was crazy, too.". That's crazy, too. Go watch. It's.

online. >> Yeah. >> Go see him. >> YouTube's free, bro. >> You're the champ now, Joshua. Go back. and watch Mighty Mouse cuz that. [ __ ] was extraordinary. >> Mighty Mouse in his time was extreme. >> He was still special when he fought that. that big Brazilian kid and won. >> Uh-huh. Right. >> He lost one and then he beat him twice. Right. >> Lost the first time in one championship. and then he got KO'ed and then KOed him. the exact same way. Wasn't neat. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know the same. They. >> both got KO with knees and both got KOed. against the cage with knees. >> It was It was literally like almost the. exact same except Demetrius's was more.

artistic. It was beautiful. The flow. where he was like chasing him. He rocked. him and then he's chasing him down. He's. like, "Not yet. There it is." And he. just launches and catches him with this. You've seen it, right? >> Yeah, I seen it. >> Oh my god. >> I didn't know it was the same way. >> What is that dude's name? The dude he. KO'ed. >> Just. >> Andre. I don't know. Search uh Demetrius. Johnson flying knee KO1FC FC. I bet. you'll find it. >> Yeah. Adriana Morise. That's it. That's.

it. And Morice is good, dude. He's. really good. He's really big. And 1FC. FC's got that squirly weight cutting. jazz. >> So this is uh the second fight after. Marise had KOed him in the first fight. And also this is a DJ that's probably 35. years old. Right. >> Right. I mean, and after a long career. in the UFC, widely recognized as the. greatest flyweight of all time in the. UFC, and to me, like, he just didn't get. the love that he deserved when he was in. his prime because he was 125 pounds.

>> And for whatever reason, I mean, it's. not like it's not even more interesting. to watch. Like, but people have this. weird thing like a heavyweight could. beat anywhere in the anyone in the. world. 125 pound guy will dump him on. his head. Stop. Watch him fight. Look it. right there. Boom. But back it up. Back. Back it up a second so you can see the. sequence. Look. Right hand timing. Boom. Perfect. The timing is just so. beautiful. That's so Look, that's. [ __ ] artistic, man. That is so.

artistic. >> Perfect. >> And to KO a guy with the [ __ ] he KOed. you with in the first fight is wild, >> dude. I don't know much about like. Demetrius as a person, >> but from what I've seen of him, obviously because you see more now that. he's on like uh doing his like streaming. and stuff, >> he is like. >> he's the best. >> He's the definition of a martial artist, too. Like he cares about the puress of. being a martial artist rather than the. views or the belt or any of that. I. respect that. >> Talking stupid [ __ ] just to get. attention. He hates people that do that.

kind of stuff. He hates disrespectful. stuff. He's such a nice guy, but also. just so smart about his approach to the. sport. Just so clever inside the cage. and also so [ __ ] fast, man. >> Dude, insane. >> Dude, he was one time I grabbed him just. as just being silly at a UFC. He was in. front of me and I put my arms around him. like from behind, you know, like saying. hi to somebody and he turned around, he. looked at me, he goes, he hit me with. two knees to the body like just touched. me with it. It was so fast. I was like, "Dude, that was so scary." I go, "You.

hit me so fast." I didn't even see them. coming. It was like, >> you know, just like just just moved like. a cat. >> And you know, like you said, he was. probably 35 or whatever there. He could. still compete with the best in the. world. >> Yeah. And juice free, too. Juice free. with the best in the world. And by the. way, over there, I don't know what kind. of drug test they're doing, but it's. probably multiple choice. >> There's a lot of them organizations. where you're like, "How hard are you. testing?" really.

>> it's a multiple choice, >> you know, because like if you're not. testing all throughout camp randomly, you're not really testing, you know, because we have to remember that. Alistister Overim when he fought Brock. Lesnar was tested. >> And that is the juiciest man that's ever. walked the face of planet Earth. The. Alistar Overim that fought Brock Lesnar. is the juiciest guy I've ever seen. fight. It was horse meat. >> And I wish he could keep juicing. I do. I think we would have seen we've seen a. different result if you you let.

Alistister stay juicy and stay 265 with. worldass kickboxing skills. And also he. was so jacked that he could kind of hide. from punches cuz when he would shell up. especially in uh K1 when he had those. big gloves bro when he would shell up. So, he's got biceps and shoulders and. then traps. Everything's all protected. And he's got that high guard and he's. coming in like this throwing bombs. >> And he looks like a superhero. He looks.

like a guy from a [ __ ] comic book. >> Yeah. Let's just let everyone juice. If. you want to juice, just everyone juice. Let's make it an even playing field. instead of let's try to catch who's not. or let's catch who's juicing. >> Would you if they if they just open the. gates? >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I'll start it off by saying yes. When I was younger, I was like, "No, I. never juice. I want to be all natural to. show everything like to show I'm just. that good." Then I was like, as I got. older and seen it, I was like, "Nah, I would." But that's like I remember I.

fought Eric Anders for LFA, right? And. they have pictures of him on the scale. the day of the fight. 222, 223, one of. them two, right? >> I'm stepping in. I don't even really. cut. I'm stepping in like 194. I'm. young. I don't cut really anything. That. time I did cut a lot though. That was. the first fight I cut a lot for because. I was lifting like crazy and I wasn't. really doing nothing else because I was. in Louisiana. I used to train with Rich. Clemente. Oh, >> okay. >> Yeah. So, you know, he's crazy as hell.

Um, so I was training there, but I was. lifting more than anything. But anyway, I was probably like 196ish, 197, no more. than 200 for sure. No questions asked. And uh they're they come in the back. that night and they're like, "Hey, we're. drug testing you." I said, "What?" He. said, "Yeah, yeah, we're gonna drug test. you. It's random." I said, "Well, if. it's random, is he getting drug tested, too?" They're like, "Nah." I said, "Oh, so you're telling me the man who's. weighing over 220 and just weighed 185.

exact yesterday is not getting tested, but the guy who's only weighing like 14. whatever pounds more is getting tested.". I pulled up my shirt. I said, "Does it. look like I'm on [ __ ] steroids? Does. it look like it?" I said, "Give me some. credit, bro. If I was going to take it, I promise you I would look like it." And. they were like, "I'm sorry, bro, but. this is it's just a job." I was like, "All right, let's go get it done." But. it's just like, >> how could you randomly test only a few. people on a roster? That has to be like. a budget thing. >> That has to be a budget thing. >> Texas Commission,

>> that's cra But that must be like they. don't want to spend money on everybody. >> I don't know. >> If you test one guy on the card, you. should have to test everybody. Yeah, I. think it was a total of three or four. guys is what they said that they tested. on the whole card. >> If you're testing a guy, you have to. test his opponent. >> Dude, >> you have to. That's crazy. >> I was I I still to this day I laugh. I'm. like, "Come on, bro." Every time someone. asked me like, "Eric, come on, bro.". >> There was a few fights where they. stopped, they wouldn't let a guy fight. because um they in the TRT days, they. did test to see what people's levels.

are. And one guy, I don't want to say. his name, but one guy was so high that. they canled the main event. >> Really? >> Yeah. They cancelled the main event at. the weigh-in. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> I didn't know that. >> He was so juicy. They were worried that. he was gonna die. They were like, "You. could like your levels are whatever you. [ __ ] did, you should not be fighting. with this level of testosterone in your. system, also on TRT." So, it wasn't like. this guy's just some genetic freak like. yo Romero coming out of the Cuban sports. program. No, it wasn't.

>> He's a special human, too. >> That's a special human. Yeah. >> Do you ever heard of a guy um Clovis? I. think Clovis Hancock. He died in the. fight. >> I think it was for Legacy or LFA. I. fought him. >> Then his next fight, he died in the cage. and and they brought him back. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. CPR. It's It was all over the. internet. I fought that dude. I was. like, "No way." I saw that next day. I. seen it like Yeah. They had to give him. CPR till the ambulance uh got him loaded.

up and taken to the hospital. >> So, his heart just stopped beating. >> Wow. Never obviously never allowed to. fight again, but. >> obviously yeah. >> Yeah, man. >> He wanted to. Oh my god. >> He probably did, bro. He was funny. I. ain't. >> Some guys just have that dog in them. They don't care. Cyborg wanted to fight. again after he got his skull crushed by. MVP. >> No way. >> Yeah, he thought he was going to fight. again after that. So, here it is. Dude, can you imagine being the audience. watching that? They're doing [ __ ] CPR. on a dude. >> Oh my god, that's so scary. >> Yeah. Yeah, I remember. He's the cut man.

for scary. >> Yeah, man. It's It's uh crazy. >> Well, thank God they have those EMTs on. standby and you know these. organizations, they do their very best. to screen people and make sure that. they're as healthy as possible. >> The FC does a real good job with that. >> For five minutes. >> Yeah. Dead for five minutes. >> Dead for five minutes. >> The cut man was the guy that was giving. him CPR. It wasn't even the EMTs. >> Oh my god. Thank god the cut man knew. Yeah. >> CPR. Holy [ __ ] dude. >> Yeah. It was crazy. >> Well, you know, reminds you this is not. a game. It's a It's a crazy ass [ __ ].

sport. >> So, what's next for you? Do you know? Do. they have you lined up for anything? >> Uh, no. I've been pushing. Uh, hopefully. Jerkus hopefully March, April at the. latest. Um, >> so do you need like that much time to. prepare or is that like how you'd like. to? >> Uh, yeah. I just kind of I started. training again today, matter of fact. Um, so training. >> Maybe that'll get him excited about. fighting you, >> huh? >> Maybe that'll get him excited about. fight Maybe that's a trap. Maybe that's. a trap. If I was Dus, I'm like, "This.

[ __ ] probably has a full. six-pack. If he takes his shirt off, he's probably ripped hisack of rolls. He's ready to go. >> He's just bullshitting, saying he hasn't. been training to go me into a fight.". >> Yeah, man. But I like. >> So, Drius is the guy that you're hoping. for. >> Yes, sir. Uh, and it makes sense. Like, it's it's just the right time. Like I. said, Emov is going to wait for the. champion. He earned his spot. >> They just announced Fluffy and uh Shawn, >> so what's left? It's just me and him. And. >> it's a good fight, too. It' be a great. fight to watch and a good fight, you. know,

>> for for you obviously fighting former. champion, you know, in his next and for. Driers. It's like that's a that's the. kind of fight you need at this point. You know, you need to turn back the. Young Lions. >> I've been trying to fight him since he. got into the UFC. I just felt like I. still feel this way. I feel like he's. the luckiest guy I've ever seen. Like, don't get me wrong, he does have a. couple fights now, but before he got the. belt, I always said like he's the. luckiest guy. Like Marcus Perez was. beating his ass. Marcus Perez wanted to. do something crazy and and went to throw.

a spinning elbow. Jerkus was throwing a. body shot when he was throwing the. spinning elbow and he hit him right in. the mouth. >> Jerkus hit Marcus right in the mouth. Out. I don't think you could call that. lucky. >> Oh no. >> Uh I know what you're saying, but he. finds a way to win. The dude's a dog. He. finds He finds a way to win. You know, I. mean, think about some of them fights. that were just like like the Osagna. fight. like he just kept kept coming and. found a way to win. Yeah, the round. fight where he took Whitaker out in the. first round. You can't there's no.

>> No, I You're right. That one's I don't. see luck in that one. >> There's a lot of. >> I think that was a great strategy. >> He's a [ __ ] animal, dude. >> Yeah, he I love that's honestly like we. can say whatever we want about each. other. He can joke, talk [ __ ] whatever. the case. But I love the fight because I. know he's coming to fight. Like he's. coming to kill. >> for sure. >> I love that. I don't want a guy that's. like I've had them, but I don't like the. guys that just want to hug. Like he's. trying to hurt me. I love that. Like. that nervousness brings out the best. version of me cuz I'm nervous. Like.

who's not nervous of another man that's. going to he's trying to hurt me. And his. to me one of his best attributes is. exactly what you said. Like he you. describe it as he finds a way to win. Like that's a great way for me. I'm just. like that dude can dig deep. Look, even. in the Hamzad fight, even in the Hamzad. fight, remember the the fifth round? Yep. >> Fifth round, he's on top dropping bombs. on Hamza at one point in time. It was a. little too late and he didn't get him. out of there, but he was not giving up.

>> Yeah, >> he just was getting dominated. There's a. difference. Like, he was still trying to. find a way to win. >> But I I love that that that motivates me. by itself. Like, >> I love hearing that. >> I want a guy that's going to try to come. kill me cuz what's the worst that's. going to happen? He knocks me out. >> Okay. Okay. like that's what we came to. do anyway. Any man could do it. I've had. I've been TKO'd before. Like, all right, cool. But I can do it to you, too, you. know? So, that's what I I I love that. aspect of the fight. That's my favorite. thing. That's what motivates me about.

the fight more than the the number, >> the danger. >> Yeah, I like that. It's And I I I feel. like I really truly haven't had that in. in a while. Like a true like. some guys look at it as a sport and some. guys really mean it. Like, I'm trying to. hurt you. And I like that. Like it. brings that out in me too because like. I'm trying to hurt you. All right. You're gonna try to hurt me. I'm gonna. try to hurt you. Or you know, I don't. know. But that's just how I look at the. fight and it really like excites me. Like that's that demonic side of me. coming out like let's see. I'm ready.

>> Well, I love hearing that and I love the. fight. I hope you get it. >> Thank you. >> And thanks for being here, man. It was. great talking to you. Uh let everybody. know how they can find you on social. >> Yeah. uh on Instagram, Brennan Allen 185. or B_Allen185. and uh that's that's really where I be. I'm just kind of chill. I'm lowkey. >> All right, brother. Well, hopefully next. time I'll talk to you. It's after a. victory. >> Yes, sir. Thank you for having me. Such. a pleasure being here with all you guys. Thank you so much. >> My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody.