JRE MMA Show #158 with Tank Abbott

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day all right what's happening baby good. to see you oh likewise it's been a long. road for both of us it has been a long. road man I think I first met you in. 1997 M I don't know the dates but I I. remember meeting you.

officially are in my memory in New. Orleans or somewhere around there um. when I was sitting like in an auditorium. and you came in and sat down next to me. and at that time uh people used to. bother me all the. time and so I was getting some fresh air. and uh away from everyone and uh you. came up and sat down and I was in my. head I was like oh no I just want some. peace.

and uh you rolled up and you were. totally cool and I was like oh that. guy's cool we had a good session rapping. yeah I remember first meeting you know. when you talk about like the early days. of the UFC like you you are one of the. real original Legends of MMA I mean you. were one of the very first guys and you. were one of the very first guys first of. all you one of the very first guys if. not the first to wear gloves.

which I always thought was very smart I. know vtor I think was one of the first. no who was the very first was it you I. don't know but the the people out there. in uh the uh internet World say this. Melton Bowen guy he was a striker boxer. kind of guy in the early. UFC's I did not get the idea from him at. all and who was the other guy with the. one glove boxing glove yeah he just died. recently damn it yeah forgot his name it.

was back in the days with the Fred. jerson art Jimmerson yes yeah and Fred. edish. that's and Harold Howard and all those. guys and um at the time I had just. getting out of jail for uh beating up a. cop's son and they kind of he used his. position to um his dad uh make things go. the way for the prosecution even though.

he deserved to get beat up and I obliged. him but uh I was going back and forth. from a halfway house to work from the. guy that got me into the show and uh we. stopped off at. a um like a Dicks Sporting Goods store. big box sporting good store like that I. don't think it was dicks but it was. something like that and they were bag. gloves and I I put them on and I go.

these would be perfect but they had a. post in them so you couldn't really. wrestle with them and I was like hm I. could take the post out I ended up. cutting it off and it was just a clear. plastic thick tube that you could hold. on to so I got rid of that and I go. these are perfect and they I think they. were Harbinger. gloves and uh I knew cuz I've been in.

hundreds of street fights. altercations that's where I come from. although I've wrestled since I was eight. years old but uh I used to beat people. up on the street that deserved it yeah. absolutely there's not one guy out there. that did didn't want to do the same. thing to me I was just better at it. um so I knew my hands would get hurt and. uh I'm like you can't can't fight three.

times in one night without your hands. getting busted up so I cut those out and. I go these are perfect I could wrestle. in them as I said I had wrestled my. whole life and uh they were perfect did. you have hand wraps on no no hand wraps. just the gloves yeah yeah did you wrap. your wrist or anything no nothing and. what was the law back then were the the. rules rather what were the rules in for. what you were allowed to wear wrestling. shoes you were allowed to hit the nuts. back then and your first fights you were.

allowed to pull hair hit the nuts you. could do anything there there wasn't. there till I came along and uh anyways. uh they um you just couldn't I can't. even tell you what you couldn't do but. um that you couldn't bite and you. couldn't ey gouge those were the only. two rules I think fish hooking right no. that was me oh really you. started I introduced the EV fish hooking.

and um so at the fighters meeting they. have these meetings with all the. fighters and they all sit in there and I. guess think they're badass but I guess. they are in their own world but so. they're all sitting around and uh Big. John McCartney was up there explaining. the rules and I think he is having. trouble since there wasn't any um so at. the end of that I asked him I said I had.

the gloves with me and I I I said hey. can I wear. these and uh in his. big. bellowing Goofy voice he goes oh you. want to wear them go ahead thinking I. was some kind of. fool when in fact I was thinking. everybody else were fools that they've. never really been in a fight and your. hands get busted up so yeah I thought. the fir very first time I saw you. wearing I'm like that guy smart that and.

look and when you knocked out was it. John Tua Mata yeah Mata John Mata when. you knocked him out I was like see like. this you can still generate insane power. but you don't hurt your hands absolutely. and uh I didn't hurt my hands. although at the end of that fight I not. that fight but you fought three times in. one night and I think I I busted up my. hand it didn't break it but it busted up. where I had to go to the hospital and. get.

X-ray and uh I got to go I didn't want. to go. cuz I was a kid and like no one sends me. to the hospital even even myself you. know I my busted up hands no I'll be all. right but my father talked me into going. so I went there and there all my. opponents were all stretched out and uh. I'm saying oh well how you doing I'm. just passing through so they x-rayed it.

and said I was all right and went back. to the cocktail party and had some. fun did you have any like injuries. during your. career oh sure I mean when I fought when. I needed knee surgery against. feroo um I couldn't run I couldn't do. anything and uh I ended up uh taking the. fight I told him I didn't want to fight. and then um back in those days they had. ways of stacking the cards against.

you and uh. so the owner of the show at that time. says Hey show up you got a small or you. have a boxer your first fight so that's. not going to be a big deal and he goes. then you got a little guy like a 200 lb. guy that was from Shamrock's Camp um was. a bowlander Jerry bander yeah yeah and. you can fight him I mean he's not. nothing cuz he's like uh you know 200 lb.

you throw him around like a rag doll and. I'm like okay you know talking me into. it realizing he's just trying to sell. his show and get it over and I'm like. yeah yeah well I'm never one to say no. to a fight and um so I said okay you. talk me into it I'll show up but I. couldn't I couldn't run I couldn't do. anything and like jog one time around.

the track of 400 I I couldn't do it so I. go and take uh the boxer make short work. of him and. cuz. boxing is good if you're going to box. and stand up in a ring but you're not. going to go anywhere in a fight just. with boxing as a skill it might help you. uh throw a punch and that kind of thing. but if your main plan of attack is is. boxing you're going to get taken down.

and you can't box from your back um. so anyways back to the show I take short. work of him and I'm like all right so I. got this little 90 pounder 190 pounder. and um make short work of him and I. think I was supposed to fight Mark. Coleman at that time and I was like oh. well we'll just we'll just see who's.

tougher not get taken down and we'll. just uh throw uh punches and he's not. really uh at that time uh very skilled. on his feet so I had a at least a. Fighter's chance at the whole. deal and so you know you have these like. dressing rooms that are screened off and. there's a an opponent or not an opponent. um alternate.

big guy going crazy making all this. noise he sounded like a an elephant uh. running around in a. cage I'm going what the hell is that guy. doing I go he's not even fighting he's. just a an. alternate well it turns out it comes for. us to go in with bolander and what. happens oh he pulls out why did he pull. out oh he did so he couldn't make it and.

I'm like. whoa and I just fell off the turnup. truck and uh next thing I know I'm. fighting this 300b plus guy who's all. jacked up on gods knows what and uh got. crazy who was it feroo oh so I went out. there and this is at the Advent of of uh. um.

referees and I I don't care about. winning or losing never have I'm always. down for the fight and uh the Battle of. fighting and um getting bloody. sweaty getting punched and punching. people man that's what it's all about. for me and um so I'm like oh well get in. there and we banged it out and they had. three refs and they gave him the fight. I've had people said if you really watch.

it you won that fight don't. care they they suckered me in with a. little guy and then they throw in aund. 350 lb dude ended up kind of ruining the. show uh cuz Coleman didn't have anybody. to fight so he went out with randomman. and did like a wrestling Expedition. exhibition and uh it was like why did. you do do that you didn't have to pull.

Shamrock's guy out it was behind the. scenes kind of things that that were all. prevalent at that point in time yeah. there was a lot of Shenanigans in the. early early days oh yeah well it was so. loosely constructed you know people have. to realize like if you're looking at the. UFC now you're looking at you know WME. owned UFC gigantic money huge [ __ ]. special effects screens looks amazing.

the sounds amazing professional. wrestling back then I mean UFC 12 was. the first one that I did which was Scott. fero's uh debut and we did it in Dothan. Alabama and it was like a High School. auditorium or something it wasn't a very. big place I remember the name doam um. was that that was when uh they did an. interview with me and it was supposed to. be at a different show somewhere and. they got they got cancelled so they put.

it up in dotham it was supposed to be in. Buffalo but it got banned from New York. right so last minute we had all fly to. Alabama right so I was I was actually on. the plane going to doam and or not. dotham but to Buffalo right and they. they said hey there's been a change of. plans you got to go to dotham so I went. to. dotham and I was sitting in the like. twostory Hotel not really a hotel but. one like a motel type thing and I looked.

out across a parking lot and there was a. bar. there yeah what the hell why not so I. ended up walking across the street and I. was drinking at the bar with this crazy. old country guy old school dude he's. like a peanut farmer or something like. that we got. blasted and he he goes come on I'll take. you to the arena and uh I'm like okay so. we get in this old pickup truck and he. turns the key and it sounds like a.

dragster and I got uh hillbilly Hayman. or whatever driving this thing and we. drive to the arena and I'm like no no no. I'm supposed to do an interview he ends. up parking on the island a grassy Island. he drove up the curb I stumbled in there. and and David Isaac is like oh my God. what's going to happen. next they got banned and then I showed. up out of my.

mind and I don't I think there might be. a clip of me all drunk saying stuff I. don't I don't know though there a bunch. of those clips I'm sure oh. absolutely how old were you your with. your first UFC fight uh 30 years old and. did you have uh any competitive fights. other than wrestling matches did you do. any amateur fights or anything well um. there kind of wasn't around back then I. I no there was no real fighting you only. did did it in the street and.

um back in those days um I had wrestled. and then on my uh 19th. birthday um I was hoping to go on I had. one year at wrestling in junior college. and um a dumb drunk friend of mine drove. into a light pole on my birthday that's. why my teeth got all knocked out. and.

um it also put a gash right underneath. my knee and mangled my knee on my left. knee and um so my wrestling I came back. like halfway well maybe a third of the. way into the season and I just could I I. didn't have enough time to get whatever. it's all written meaning spiritually and. so I didn't perform the way I wanted to.

perform my sophomore year I I did not. continue no one was interested in me I. so the whole time as a young. man I wanted to box and my mother said. absolutely not not the CTE and everybody. boxes is stupid and you're not going to. do that and I'm like oh man so I didn't.

have anything to do I was 18 years old. and I said you know what I on a box and. the same guy that it was back when Mike. Tyson was on fire and he was the baddest. man in the planet and I as a young man I. go not my planet and uh so you know he. would obviously kill me in boxing but I. there's not a boxing ring on every. corner. and so I was all fired up with that so.

same guy that I worked for at the. uh uh clothing company where the cut and. sew type thing it was for medical uh. clothing he lived up uh San Louis abiso. way and he started. boxing and we were at a you know. justlike what you would think going into. a boxing gym and learning how to box and. I go man I want a box and he saidwell.

come on up and you I'll introduce you to. my trainer and maybe you know anyways. that got the ball started rolling. basically so went up to San Louis abiso. and there was a boxing gym just outside. of there Atascadero or something like. that and uh so I went to the. gym and it's like you see these reels. where these guys all they you learn a. skill like boxing and then you somebody.

that comes in that's a complete novice. has no clue of what's going on and they. they take advantage of these people oh. you think you're tough you want a box. well if you don't know how to box so. that was the vibe when I went into the. boxing gym I go. hey yeah I want a box yeah sure I'll do. with this and they goes are you sure I'm. like yeah so they go well you want to. spar and they're all.

snickering you want a spar and I'm like. yeah isn't that what we're in here for. isn't that what you. do and they're like oh no you got you. have to learn and I'm like okay so they. got like all kind of like chuckling. going oh he wants The. Spar and um so they went and got a mouth. piece from a. local like uh what do you call those. stores um Sporting Goods store and uh it.

comes back and they were trying to melt. it in. coffee and all that kind of stuff. and so. um this guy's uh got a name very big. name uh from the 70s in boxing and I. don't need to talk about his family has. a big name and can't say his name I. don't there's no point in it yeah it's I. it could but you oh I was training with.

this guy and he did this guy I have it. on videotape and all that kind of stuff. so it's not like I'm making up stories. I'm the antithesis of trying to get. myself over I try to just go no no no. you. know. so I get in there and I go and they're. all like oh this is going to be great. and this guy is a heavyweight and he had. like eight professional fights and I. believe they thought they were going to. use his name and push him and get him.

some money. somehow and so I'm like okay I go if. like they I put boxing gloves on and hit. the bag and played around and sparred. with people but I'm like okay this what. we're going to do we're going to do it. let see yeah and I I knocked the living. snot out of him I just really yeah I. just said [ __ ] it and can you C on this. or whatever yeah you can cuss yeah but I.

said okay I. wasn't sparring like skillfully boxing I. was like let's go and we went and you. had already had a bunch of street fights. yes and you knew how to hit things yes. and power is something you either have. or you don't have and you've always had. crazy power that's so if someone. underestimates you and someone think. look this guy so they let their guard. down get a real little relaxed think. they're just going to tea off on on. you no he thought he was going to hand.

it to me yeah and I was like all right. you'll see what's going to happen and. and I said this is going to be a street. fight and I knocked a liveing daylight. like I said I have it on. videotape and. um that guy was filming at the guy from. the clothing store anyways. he Factory yeah but yeah and so he he's. in the back going oh oh my God oh my God.

you know I'm I I enlightened him that. you don't I didn't need to know the. skill of boxing to take out somebody. that had eight professional fights in. boxing I I pretty much handed it to him. so what did you do you didn't box just. clinched got close to him and just start. no it was on I just started throwing. boom boom boom boom right down the. middle let's go. and uh so did you you just always had.

skill with your hands like I mean that's. pretty impressive for an eight eight. fighting professional boxer I I put my. chin down and I don't tell stories I. like I said if you if you want to get a. lie detector and a certified guy I will. take listen you don't have to tell that. to me I know you have I've known you. forever so I'll just say it to anybody. else tank says it as it is always you. always have even when you lost you were. like that guy [ __ ] me up that guy. kicked my ass you were said you got.

molested by the lead singer from Queen. Freddy. Mercury he was slapping me when Dad seph. beat you he was [ __ ] slapping me you. you had the best attitude about both. winning and losing if you lost you were. very self-deprecating you always had fun. with things yes that's not the end of. the world you were a great guy to be. around man because it was a goddamn. party I I mean I don't know if you. remember but we got hammered a couple of. times there was a few different times at.

different hotels yes where you and I got. drunk and you you with your whole crew. there were all bunch of psychos it was. just like being around like a lot of. pitbulls like jacked up pitbulls like. ready to go but it was fun man you. always brought a party you were having a. good [ __ ] time you were having a good. [ __ ] time fighting and you having a. you were and that's what made you a. legend a lot because you were a you know. everybody thought that the skilled. martial artist was always going to beat. the fighter right but there was a you.

were a skilled martial artist but you. were kind of more of a fighter just a. dude who [ __ ] people up and for you to. just be going out there and knocking. people out you became the biggest star. of the UFC even without winning it right. you know I mean you beat a lot of good. guys but your power and your attitude. like when Mata went out and you did the. little [ __ ] dance like everybody. because it was everybody thought martial. arts was supposed to be bow and you know. Sensei and spirituality and meditating. in the river and you were out there.

getting wild. Mata was metaphorically martial arts in. my head. see all these people running around and. and martial arts is martial arts don't. get me. wrong it works it's a skill but it. fighting is. uh chaos yeah but I I clang this phrase. I believe anyways uh Fighters fortitude.

and that is where because fighting does. not it's not a skill that you learn and. you become tough ho Gracie is not tough. because he knows jiujitsu he's a tough. man and all these guys that fight in the. UFC are tough men not not because they. know skill you like these people I see. getting an army. bar who cares you anybody that sings.

skill is not a. fighter you're you're a [ __ ] frankly I. you sit around and go I can do this and. I can do that doesn't matter it's how. tough you are your Fighter's fortitude. when it when someone's got a thumb in. your eye socket or taking a big bite out. of your back and how you react and what. you do from that that's what Fighter's. fortitude is not like oh well if he's.

got his thumb in my eye maybe I could. armar him or put him in a triangle that. doesn't save you those the fighting is. emotional it's not about skill it's what. is inside your head the heart you have. and what you need to do to get things. done to beat the opponent hopefully. that's thinking the same thing you're. thinking and that is I'm going to get to. this point where I can kill this.

person. or let or kill him but basically. fighting is to a point where in in the. street anyways and there everybody that. I beat up was trying to do the same. thing to me in the street they were. trying to beat me up and get to the. point where they could make the decision. of killing me and that's the whole point. of a a street fight and it's not about. oh got better skill than.

you that's the difference between a. Street Fighter and somebody that goes to. the gym and learns how to throw a. correct Punch or a a submission hold. that's going to save your. ass you can learn those things you can't. be tough by learning those things you. can become tougher by learning those. things and and if you're a tough guy and. you learn.

skills that makes you tougher like hoist. Gracie he's a tough man but that guy's. got skills up the yin-yang and jiujitsu. that makes him even tougher but he has. the mental fortitude to keep it together. in the chaos Fighters fortitude and some. people even very skillful people for. some reason don't have that yes there's. moments we've all seen where you get. this guy who's like a special a lot of. guys who are gym Heroes there's a bunch.

of guys that in the gym they look. Sensational they look like this guy's. going to be a world champion keep an eye. on them you watch them sparring you. watch them hit in Ms and you're like. this guy's insane right and then they. fall they they they maybe reach like 30%. of their potential when they fight you. could see the panic in them and they. don't have it in their head yeah they. don't have something the thing that some. guys have like a Max Holloway has that. he'll fight to the end to the end. Fighters for there's zero quick. the quid is not in there you can go.

searching around for it forever you're. never going to find it and then there's. some guys there you even though they're. really talented you can get to a point. where they'll break and they'll just try. to survive and there's a difference and. it's the great ones all like JN Jones. like so many of these guys like they. find a way to win and they never give up. no matter how chaotic it gets no matter. how bad they're losing they find a way. 100% Leon Edwards in the fifth round. against kamaro Usman perfect example.

he's getting just he's getting taken. down and manhandled and he finally lands. a head kick in the fifth round there you. go and he becomes a hero and and it's. all fighters fortitude yeah it's about. being a tough guy yeah and you can see. it in that fight have you seen that. Usman Leon Edwards fight I haven't seen. it it's [ __ ] amazing cuz his coach. his coach is Sensational and his coach. is screaming he don't let him bully you. son you know from English in England and. the Rocky music is playing there's a. clip of online you get Goose pumps every. time every time I see it every time I.

see it I get goosebumps it's like that. thing that is the difference between a. fighter and just someone who's skilled. that was something that you I think. introduced more than anybody in the. early days of the of the sport this is. it you want to see this cuz this is so. [ __ ] good man play listen stop. feeling sorry for your [ __ ] come on. man what's wrong with you you're to. [ __ ] D you got to pull this [ __ ] out. of Fire come on man you got it man come. on you.

got what the. music yeah but it's part of the fun. thing that his [ __ ] coach is. [Music]. Sensational Alo they're doing it this. way to avoid copyright strikes from the. UFC they're just showing photographs of. it but it's the kind of person who never. gives up the the kind of person who. finds a way really knows how to actually. just it's not just skill there's another.

element and that's what you're talking. about if. you uh put it to UFC. 6 that was the uh Awakening of the. guillotine choke because rest you had. jiujitsu and then wrestlers came along. and started uh handing it to the. submission Jiu-Jitsu guys and. um then. UFC 6 came along and they came up with.

the. guillotine now if you they olle got the. guillotine on me twice and I fought. myself out of it I don't I've never. timed it or whatever but it was a while. I was. losing Consciousness I was seeing black. but I got I pulled myself out in fact he. brought up the uh fish hooks when I. finally the first time he got it and I. pulled my head out and he was laying. there I'm like what are you going to do.

now and then I reached down and fish. hooked him and started banging his head. on the. floor when you look back at yourself. then does that even seem like. you yeah why not. I I mean of course it is you but I mean. the the young hulking you smashing guys. this was also just the one round correct. yes 17 minute round yeah there there's. no rounds. was it uh did they have a time limit on.

any of the fights no and I would have. won that fight if Big John McCartney. wouldn't have uh stuck his uh his melon. in between us and break us up you know. that's how you were talking about how. they uh fixed the fights and everything. he he broke this fight up they there. were no. rules not supposed to to do look he's. breaking us up why did he do that why. did they do that yeah were people booing.

yeah that was all John McCartney. McCartney he why did he break us. up I don't know like what were the rules. back then as far as no rules he all you. all they had to do was give him a a. track uh starting gun and he could stand. there and go boom and that that's all he. needed to do he just had to start the. fight he he he and so this this restart. was just completely because of him yes. John mcarthy yes he's he's corrupt and.

he's a crook his idea of what he thinks. fighting is and he's a a fullon Ole o. submission guy CU he's all into. technique I don't know this he's never. said it to me but he's all into skill. and everything else he has no respect. for Fighters fortitude or anything you. don't think he does I I think he does. well I mean I think you have like a. personal dispute with him but I like big.

John and I well you might like him but. uh he uh leveraged his madeup uh Persona. of Big John to get me kicked out of the. show him and his wife they got me. literally kicked out of the show that. you kicked out of the UFC yeah really. yeah what year was this the very. early why would they want to get you. kicked out of the UFC because he does. not like me he's a cop and he doesn't.

like the fact that I'm a uh probably in. his eyes a thug but the point is. he he has a be in his b he's never liked. me he you know he was a jiujitsu student. uh before he started in the thing they. they for the Gracies they didn't have a. ref so art Davy goes hey what about that. big guy big John and then Big John was a. cop and everything and he did uh.

background checks on me before I got. into the UFC like oh yeah no this guy. really he's got a record he's been he's. got I've been arraigned at least at. least seven times for beating people. up and [ __ ] was hitting the fan it was. getting it was getting bigger and more. and more you're going to get in trouble. pretty soon thank God I had a great. attorney and um he he was a guy that.

could point out the truth and people. would see that and the da would go okay. community service I'd go do do that at. the boxing. gym and. so anyway so John checked into it and he. goes no this guy really is a a street. fighting Legend like tank. murdog and um obviously the guy's dad. was a was a cop and that underlying it.

doesn't matter but he did not like the. fact that I came along after the Gracies. cuz he was like a stooge for Gracie. jiujitsu and the whole nine yards and. when I came along I kind of said no no. no no I fighting is emotional it's not a. skill it's not a skills match it's it's. it's what you have in your head. and he obviously doesn't have anything. in.

his but so at Puerto. Rico um I used to go around to. dojo's and go in there after I'd cruise. around drinking a. 12pack in my van and and we' pull up to. dojo and walk in there and go who does. anybody want to. fight and nobody did and so I lost my.

train of thought on that but oh this is. it okay. so when I was I was working out with. weights and I and I didn't I wasn't a. strong day for me so I got you have to. know when it's say no not lifting today. so I felt compunction and I needed to go. do something I said let's go check this. jiujitsu place. out um. they had Flyers at the Westminster.

boxing gym where I was boxing after I. left that Bakersfield thing so we go in. there and all the other Kung Fu and wing. chongs and all that stuff no no one ever. wanted to fight me and I go let's go. check out this Jiu-Jitsu thing see if. it's real or not and this guy's supposed. to be a world champion and all. this and um since since it's out there. I'll say who it was but was Alan goes.

and uh so he's supposed to be some world. champion this and that and at this time. we're totally green didn't have any. really respect for jiujitsu or anything. like that and I was with Paul Herrera. and Eddie Reese who are very. accomplished wrestlers and I go let's go. check it out I'm not left in let's go. see what if this stuff is for. Real so we go into the Jitsu thing and.

it was a little bit of a drive we get in. there and I said hey we want to roll. around with you see would check this. stuff out you know and they're. Portuguese oh demonstration. demonstration and I'm like oh what the. [ __ ] is. this anyways so one of the guys goes in. the back I guess they put cameras up in. these little mirrored boxes that oneway. mirror things and so Eddie gets up there. and um. he he's a little guy and so it didn't.

take him very long to tap him out with. like an armed thing and then Paul who's. a u is a All-American from Nebraska. wrestler bigger guy like 190. is he gets in there and I'm like going. what the hell's going on cuz they're. lasting and Lasting and he's on his back. and at that time I like what the what. are you on your back for it's stupid you.

know yeah you're totally ignorant of of. what was going on yeah and I'm like holy. [ __ ] he ended up tapping him out and I'm. like gone wow he made short work of. Eddie and he Tapped Out Paul and I had. respect for Paul for his wrestling. abilities and where he'd gone and. trained and wrestled for her and I was. like holy smokes well I'm I'm rather. large and very. powerful and uh Alon goes is not and um.

so I go okay oh and they were starting. on their their knees and all that kind. of stuff and I'm like whatever so I get. on him and I I had. a uh cuz a medical uh place the cut and. so place I had a scrub on so I'm I'm on. top of him and he grabs like a ner. scrub CU they don't rip or anything like.

that and he he does like an x on his. thing and he starts choking me and I. look at him I kind of roll my eyes like. really like I went like that like fist. on both sides of his face you know and. he's like okay and so we rolled around. rolled around rolled around and then he. finally got to an arm lock and like I. said I was I was doing curls with like a. 120 lb dumbbell and stuff like that and. so I I picked him up basically he was.

like a foot off of the mat and I raised. my right hand up and made a fist like. you want me to fall down on his eyes got. huge as as the moon no no no no no no. and I'm like okay so I let him down and. let it go and he was like uh like I've. had enough of this big guy. here and um so uh we left.

and whatever goes on in somebody's head. like oh who's that guy almost in. narcissistic way oh I I got him in arm. lock I would have I would have used him. for a it doesn't matter dri yeah there. would have been a whole bunch of bad for. him getting slammed yeah. so Puerto Rico I don't know Paul was. fighting in that. show that show um it was David versus.

Goliath there oh that's right that's. right did he fight Big Daddy yeah yeah. and Big Daddy had a videotape of him so. he knew exactly what to do with that. high. crotch that was all stage not stage but. prepare yeah yeah and. so Al goes comes up afterwards oh where. this is all the way full Circle back to. John so Al go comes up after uh Paul.

gets. elbowed my big John didn't stop it and. who knows I know but anyways so he. starts mouthing off I he must have had. too much alcohol or something and I'm. like who do you think you're talking to. and you know like really you were going. to go there okay so so he had like him. and all his friends were behind him so I.

popped him and was going after him and. me and Eddie were fighting the whole. contingency of Brazilian fighters in the. audience and um then we go to the back. and I old school Warrior and like no one. sends you to the hospital and I'm. telling Paul hey [ __ ] that you're not. going to the hospital you don't do that. and he's like huh and uh there was a. doctor.

isgo and John McCartney and his uh wife. Elaine who is a Karen I think her name. should be Karen is Elaine McCartney. anyways uh they come she comes running. up and starts pointing her finger in my. face and saying on get the hell out of. here I kill you you know just uh h. verbally in the moment charged type.

thing they try to make a huge move out. of that and then oh so that's how you. get kicked out and then John's like. telling Bob oh I'm gonna quit and. elain's G to quit and if if you don't. kick him out that's why I didn't go to. the show and mind you I was the. personality of that whole show at that. time and I think they went to Detroit or. something like that after that words and. every's like where's tank at where's.

this there's the show and they Bob's. like we got to fix this and so um. somehow A letter came up of a. apology to um their leverage of they. were going to quit I'm like who cares if. they quit he's just a uh he's a referee. he pulls the trigger a gun and then he. affects fights um by breaking people up.

and and giving people chances and. everything else he's he's a corrupt. person and uh who cares and but I guess. uh Bob was leaning into the fact like oh. he's developed a personality for himself. so we anyways we're going to have this. letter made. and uh we'll send it to the McCartney.

and then they can be soothed and then. I'll be allowed to come. back and that was all around the same. time with the feroo fight with my knee. messed up and Bob being the uh slickster. that he is but don't you think it's also. it's just possible that Jerry bolander. got hurt cuz he fought too right he. fought a fight first right it's possible. but but I I'm a kind of a conspiracy. theorist yeah a cynic I see where you.

would feel that way and I think um in. the early days you know one of the. things that Dana White does a really. good job about is like he kind of he. lets he talks to everybody MH have. conversations with people sit sit people. down talk to them explain this is great. this is not so great you know this is. what we think we could do with you like. no back then it was chaos yes AB it was. chaos and referee today they're allowed. to stand people up but back then no no.

no no I understand completely what. you're saying yeah but back in the those. days those those guys set up a lot of. stuff what' they set up all right it. won't come to me right off but I I will. tell you okay it I want to put you on. the spot so you think that they had uh. people that they wanted to win so they. made things work a particular way well. like the Don fry fight um him fighting.

is the people comment it's not his. friend who Mark Hall that guy went out. and did the job for fry it looks like he. did he well no he did yeah looks like it. when you watch the fight yeah he did and. they fought before too yeah he just went. out there and fell down and then why you. know regardless of how easy my fight. before is mentally it's it's a whole. different ball of wax yeah it's it's a.

different ball of wax if one guy goes. through a war and one guy goes through a. really easy fight yeah emotionally. though in your head like oh you got to. get all ramped up to go especially if. you had a real close fight your legs got. beat up there's there's a lot of things. that can happen one guy can knock a guy. the tournaments are so crazy cuz one guy. it's almost like it's better than not. fighting cuz he lands one punch knocks. the guy out like oh my God I already won. I want to fight I know I'm performing. well I didn't get hurt at all and now. I'm loose my brain's loose and then you.

could go through three rounds of hell. with some [ __ ] psychopath where. you're barely surviving both of you and. you get to the final round you're like. or whatever it was back then it was one. round but you you get to the final end. of it and you're like oh Jesus I got to. do this one more time with a guy who's. fresh right yeah and if you can rig that. and if you can if you want to you can. set a bracket up I'm not accusing them. of doing. that same thing with Anthony Maas guy uh. that fought ole before me ole went out.

Ole went out and choked out his first. opponent with a guillotine choke real. fast and then he fought. um Anthony msas that Winks at him right. before the fight they wink yeah you know. what I'm talking about yeah obvious. where do you want me to fall down and. who I fought the two biggest guys in. ever fought in the UFC a 400lb guy in.

the 6 foot five whatever 300 or 280. whatever size you want to make real. fights not some guy that's out there. laying down going. okay well the early days it was so it. was so loose and you never knew when it. was going to go away because it was. already getting suspended from cable. Cable cable kicked it off you could only. get it off Direct TV back then with John. M uh not what was it McCain yeah yeah.

John McCain and John McCain allegedly. was uh doing something for Bud Light so. he was working with Bud Light and Bud. Light wanted boxing right it's kind of. you know the whole the whole world was. conspiring to keep MMA from flourishing. back then absolutely I me it was a real. big deal they would disparage it every. there's a funny [ __ ] there's a funny. video of Bob arum talking about it. they're rolling around on the ground. like homosexuals I saw that yes I was.

laughing about that. too it's amazing it's amazing cuz he's. such an old school guy right for him. saying that it's just it's very funny. immediately I was like what's his angle. why is he saying that he's just trying. to say yeah he's trying to save boxing. he he's just silly because uh boxing's. awesome I love boxing doesn't mean. doesn't mean UFC is not better oh no. it's it's a skill yeah yeah boxing is an. amazing skill it's an amazing skill and. it's a huge part of MMA I mean if you. can't throw a punch you really you can't.

win but but it's a different thing you. guys are in you're in it's a game of. it's a fighting game whereas MMA is a. fight boxing can be a fight too but it's. so the rules are so specific well so. limited when I went out and boxed the. the Atascadero thing I came back here. and um went to Westminster. Boxing Club I believe it is anyways um I. had I was fortunate I have I walked in.

and Tyrell bigs was boxing and his. trainer Matt kard I walked up and I was. a white heavyweight and every back in. those days like oh and I'll train you. I'll train you and I'm like okay he. didn't have time for me. so I was like okay and I'm slowly. learning boxing and his underling was on. charge of me and um I go when when we. get a fight and he's like no you don't.

just fight you got to learn how to box. I'm like no not me I'm want to I'm G to. fight he goes well there's a show in six. weeks in here and I go that perfect I'll. do that then you can't just do that and. I'm like no I can do that and so this is. also on video um I fought some guy that. had been boxing for like three years and. I knocked a stu stuffing out of him his. mouthpiece went flying out of his mouth.

and at that time the guy that ran the. gym was named noi. Cruz and he was the trainer for Carlos. Palamino old school Mexican uh 6 fo2 guy. but uh knew his boxing skills like no. tomorrow and he went up to Mack and he. said. hey that guy's got something you can't. train you because you you guys can be in.

here forever but I want to train that. guy and Max all I don't have time for. him I'm with Tyrell he goes we will. split him you know whatever. so from that point on after that first. fight I started uh rolling with noi not. rolling but boxing with him and uh he's. the one that got me sit down on my. punches and all Mexican style hard. punches. inside to the body uppercuts all that. kind of stuff then I I used to he used.

to swing those big old leather bags. they're hanging from chains it was like. an old Warehouse that had been there. probably since the early 60s he'd swing. the bag and he' come back and I would. just turn through and the whole gym. would shake and his eyes would get all. big and. go no he was a great guy do you ever. wonder what would have happened if you. went and pursued just professional.

boxing yes a big white heavyweight with. knockout power like you that could have. been very marketable that was the whole. idea and they were all into that and I. remember because I would show up to the. uh boxing gym with black eyes and cuts. on my face after every weekend pretty. much and in fact uh when on my Trilogy. uh Street Warrior is what he used to.

call me oh the street Warrior and um you. go oh what what what do you do now and I. go. Noy if only if only you you don't. understand if they only had a fighting. show with real fighting not just boxing. stuff and he would just look at me and. Shake has a big smile and just shake his. head like you're crazy and. um it happened it was awesome how did.

you find out about. it um well I was driving I I used to. work at a liquor store when I was going. to. college and uh supplied my habit but um. so I I was looking through the Playboys. and I saw an advertisement for Ultimate. Fighting I don't know what it was one. with the tooth fell out that was the. first one yeah yeah and.

so I had uh you know I was living with. two other guys pirated cable he climbed. up the telephone pole type. thing and uh so I invited my dad over. and I said hey man you got to check this. Ultimate Fighting I go I don't know if. it's real or not I suspect it's not I I. think it's probably just a offshoot of. professional wrest like he's okay I'll. come over so he came over and we're.

sitting there you know drinking beers. watching the T tube and he came out with. a with that grass skirt type thing and. I'm like oh see and then I don't know. who was it Gerard purau whatever yeah. Gerard CAU yeah and he he kicked him in. the face and his tooth went flying I go. oh yes this is. real it's real yeah I can't believe it. man this is gonna be so awesome so how. did you want contact them like how do. you wind up getting in I was I was in.

jail for beating up this cop son right. and I was got work released from. that probation I did. like like three weeks in jail in a honor. farm and then I went to like a probation. apartment thing went to work and came. back and that's when my friends my. friend who worked for his dad at the. medical clothing company goes hey you.

know that guy chemo that works at the. bar and I'm like H he goes you got to. know him he wears like that Jean thing. and and uh he and I'm like yeah and he. goes you know. Joon I knew Joan from the boxing gym he. goes they fought in that. show and I'm like well yeah I go why is. that guy fighting in that show because. he would always I had quite the. reputation back in those days he would. come find me in the line and go Mr abbit.

are this way and cut me in front of. everybody and walk me in is this Joan no. that was Kemo Kemo and uh I was hey. thanks Kemo you know that's a much as I. knew of him like when he was telling me. you know that guy and I'm. like anyway so it was chemo and he goes. this guy Kemo if that guy's in it you. why can't you be in it and I that's when. I was saying. make it happen and he started calling.

art Davey on the phone and Art's like. yeah yeah yeah and then he goes no you. don't understand this guy is the real. deal from the streets man everybody. knows who he is and and he's like yeah. yeah we hear this story all the time and. he's all not from not from this guy and. then it was back in the day when he had. like a table like this with the phone. and the speaker phone on it and so he. goes tell that guy cuz I was sitting in. the back he goes tell him I got some guy.

that's like 6 fo8 300 lb at once to. fight. him and uh we'll see you next week at. this time it was raining so we ended up. going to Art Davy's office in Torrance. right around the corner I heard from the. Gracie Academy I guess they call it and. so I it was raining and I had like a it. was back in the days when they had brown.

paper bags for grocery bags so I put my. high top basketball shoes in there and. like stretchy clothes that you would. wear I had it all folded up and I walked. in sitting here like we are now he's. talking and he's like okay and this is. before they came up with the tank. idea I said I no I'm a wrestler and. so he goes okay well we we'll be getting.

back to you and he goes oh by the way uh. what what what's in that. bag I said well you said you had. somebody was like 68 300 lb that we. wanted to fight and he goes what I go. yeah on the phone you said that and he. goes You' fight somebody and I go yeah I. don't go to jail and he. goes you're cra you are what you you're. just crazy man I'm like no I'm down for.

fighting any time you want to do it and. he's like oh just shook his head and we. walked out and. uh like I. said see I did we go over the point of. going where I got kicked out before even. I got in no we didn't talk about that oh. so so they found out about your record. before you got in is that what it was no. no no no no no you did something yes.

okay now this is I don't know I've never. talked about this publicly I don't. think uh. so this is why I told. the Central Casting Mafia wannabe. guy that they kicked me out this is why. they kicked me out so they gave me a one. sentence paper that. says David Abbott's going to be in the.

next. show whatever and I didn't realize that. it had to be six because the graci's. owned according to my calculations the. first five shows before Bob took over. Bob mywoods for six and. so. um lost my train of thought for a second. it'll come. back so he gave me a piece of paper and. it says you're going to be in the show.

not five but six and I'm like oh man and. you know you're a young man and your. patience is like you I can't wait that. long I need I need like tomorrow you. know right and um I was like whatever so. I go. okay work with it well well you can. train and so. a.

wrestler that uh was you know wrestling. everybody knows the world and college. wrestling and this guy worked for a uh a. volleyball company clothing company. called club. sportsware and um they used to sponsor. volleyball players and so Eddie knew him. I think they used to live together. somebody lived with him that knew him. and he called up and said hey dade's.

going to be in that UFC. show and so he goes okay and he goes. well um you guys want to sponsor him and. I don't know anything about anything. sponsor with that whatever and he goes. let me ask my boss and he goes yeah sure. you know it was new he go yeah we'll. give him some clothes to wear and all. that kind of stuff and he goes well he. wanted airplan ticket to go back and. watch the show I think it was UFC 5 in.

Charlotte and. uh so he send he sends me a ticket and. I'm like wow this is you know I'm a kid. in my head I was a kid but not. chronologically I was a forever college. student and so. uh I'm flying there and like go man this. is so cool these people to do this for. me and they gave me like bags full of. clothes I was like Wow even socks and.

everything like that it was like crazy. you know that's that's where I was in. that time of life and so we get there. and I had a big club bag and I go they. go yeah just try to get on TV man just. so we can see our. stuff I get to Charlotte and. uh I walk in and it was like a the Lobby. of a hotel it was like a two-story hotel. but it was a nicer like a sweets kind of.

Hotel it wasn't dumpy and. uh everybody in the lobby had their desk. out and at that time it was martial. arts and it was kung fu Frank over there. and uh whomever jiujitsu Jeff over there. and I'm this like and they're walking. around like their Steven Seagal with.

their chip on their shoulder and their. chest out and thinking I'm like what the. heck is this man are you kidding me it. looked like a swap meat for uh martial. art wannabes I I I don't know and all. these people are walking around like. going this is before UFC even you know. people knew they're like wow I can. remember some guys I I I was just like.

are are you kidding me this is like. insane these people are like. uh just playing the role and so I just. walked on by and I I was like wow I have. a room and I went to the room and I'm. like wow like my first time really being. somewhere by myself and I'm fine with. being by myself but I what the hell am I. going to. do. so there was a UFC office in the hotel.

so that's my first runin with Karen. McCartney and I walked in there and. she's like who are you what you want and. I'm. like Wow's like hi you know whatever and. Dave the guy that that that uh set it up. from the clothing company or the medical. company said oh you're going to be all. set you're going to backstage passes and. I go good CU I want to know what I'm.

want to do and I the lay of the land you. know so she's like oh yeah whatever and. I'm like. okay whatever she having a bad day or. something and so I uh go. hm what do I do so I walked down the. lobby and I said hey man is there a bar. around here and goes oh yeah right. across the street over there just down. in there and the highway there I go.

perfect so I walk over there and. everybody's partying I sit at the bar. and. uh everybody's like oh what are you here. for like oh you know that UFC thing. they're having at the Coliseum or. something like that oh yeah that. fighting thing are you a fighter and I'm. like going on not technically really a. fighter I go well I'm not fighting in. this show but I. got a piece of paper saying you know a.

contract saying that I'm going to be in. the next. one so um I can you you know you partied. with me I yeah I like to have a good. time so it doesn't take long before the. whole bar is rocking and rolling around. me and uh we're having. fun everybody's like woohooo man tank. and I'm like g h cringing you know like. uh tank. and um they're like yeah and I'm like oh. yeah woohoo and so we partied it up had.

a good time and. uh. so end up uh going back with these guys. to this like a Sweets Hotel so there was. like a room like a living room and then. you had your bedroom type thing and. we're partying it up and um it doesn't. take long before security comes and. knocks on door and say hey people are.

complaining about you guys and God I'm. probably swinging off the couch doing. all sorts of crazy stuff and um like. okay well it turns out me witz is right. across the hallway and I think he called. oh so that wasn't a good thing and I'm. like okay we'll keep it down I don't. even who the Bob was Art Davy was the. was the the guy that's what he was. reporting himself as so I'm like oh.

whatever and so toned it down so go back. the next day and it all starts up all. over again and I'm like yeah let's go. and they go hell yeah we're going we're. going to the the fight and I yeah let's. go so we end up I go I got these. backstage passes and stuff so I don't. know if I can sit with you guys so they. got ticket kits in there were in this. little cubicle block of seats just up on. the first rail and they're sitting there.

and I go okay and I go hey there's that. art guy I go hey Art and he's running. around like he's a Don King and a. tuxedo and I'm like hey art art art hey. you got my passes and stuff like that. and he's looking at me he's giving me. like the cold shoulder like not even. knowing he sees me but like oh [ __ ] I. don't want to talk to that guy and I'm. like oh why is he being.

evasive and um finally I called them. over and I started putting two and two. together like you said I'm kind of. cynical conspiracy. theorist he would walk around the hotel. like he was King Kong like I'm the Man. type thing and right when I went in to. get tickets and Lane and them are all in. there he's giv these two young. girls these.

laminates and gave me the quick eye like. what the hell is he looking at like oh. you know sketchy. look and when I got to the show when. they gave just gave me paper tickets and. those two girls are running around with. the laminates in the office so I went. two and two together he gave them my. laminant trying to get get over with the. girls and just gave me some tickets oh.

all right so now just add a little. alcohol a little conspiracy thoughts. going on in my head and I'm going that. little. worm I go oh I know what's going on and. so I go I go so you were supposed to get. laminant right but those girls got the. laminant when I went in to get and those. girls that he had just met yes they were. just groupy okay ring rats kind of thing.

anyways so um he I'm like hey art art. art he finally walked over I go what the. [ __ ] dude I you give me these Paper. Tickets I go I can't see anything I I. just want to walk around and in the back. of my mind I wanted to get their clothes. on camera I was going to do like a cameo. walk by you know I was a kid anyways are. young or ignorant or whatever unwise and. so um I'm walking and he's like oh I.

don't tell you give me the shrug and he. walks off in his little tuxedo and I'm. I'm steaming and so that goes down and. the first fights go down and one of the. girls there's like a group of maybe 10. people she goes hey tank you know in the. southern thing she goes. I don't know I you know I was expecting. something else this is kind of boring to.

be honest with you and I'm like like I. was part of the show you know and I'm. like going yeah I understand I think I. think Gracie or Ole or somebody fought. and they were doing submission and it. was boring and and and so I go let me. tell you something I promise you I. promise you is not going to be anything. like this it's not going to be laying on. the ground rolling around when I fight I.

promise you that you have to believe me. and she goes well I hope so cuz this you. know I can't can't get into my accent. but she go I hope so cuz this is boring. and I'm like no it's not going to be. anything like that when I get in there. trust me and. so that was the tone that was set. and more beers I was drinking beer at. that time maybe I was drinking some.

vodka then but so we get back after the. show at the. bar and I remember everybody's like. sitting around talking about it like you. know and I went. hey you know what I forgot there's a. cocktail party going on and I going what. I go yeah there there's a cocktail party. going on my my guy told me about it like.

I had back P back you know passes and. the whole nine yards I go but there's a. cocktail party with everybody. there anyways. so I go let's go and they're go well. we're not how are we going to get in I. go you're [ __ ] with me man we can get. in don't. worry so I went over there I had an. Entourage by that time believe it or not.

I wasn't didn't even fight and we walked. in and you know they had the typical. banquet type stuff with the silver wear. and the r roast beef and rolls and. Cocktails and so I was drinking and. drinking and drinking and uh didn't take. long before I started telling. [Music]. that they were a bunch of [ __ ] and. that they didn't know how to fight they.

don't even what the hell's going on wait. till I get in. there. and Jim Brown the football player was an. announcer. then and uh I think he came. up in a fatherly way like hey hey hey. hey calm. down tell me what to calm down I'll tell. you went to calm down I I have any. respect at that. time and.

so things went on like that and ended up. taking Jim Brown's. um what do you call those things like a. derby his hat off yeah but what's it. what are they called I don't know it's. like a hat I know what it is yeah yeah. just the word escapes me right now his. Beret he had a beret that he used to. wear all the time and he took it off his. head took it off his head and started. walking off and I got about 5 yards.

away and he's all hey hey hey young man. and I turned around and I threw it at. him I flung it like a Frisbee and I hit. him in his chest and he caught it and he. looked at me angrily. angrily and I was. joking around having fun that's all.

and that might just be the the top the. cherry on top but the whole Behavior was. that the whole night and we left because. it was closing down and I had my fill of. food and we went back to my. room. and restarted the party up. again and then I left and came back. and they never called us back or.

anything and I was like going hey man. what the hell's going on and he's like. what did you do there and I'm like this. is being me I going oh no he was shaking. his head and then that's when art called. him and said hey that guy is a maniac. he's not not only allowed in to fight in. the show he's not allowed to be at the.

show no effing way that guy he's. crazy and I remember my friend hanging. the phone up and looking at me and. slowly just shaking his head like you. blew it. dude so how'd you get back in I told you. from the guy from the the bar okay so. that so they discounted all the things. that happened in the past that guy made. a phone call well it's a smart thing to.

do I mean regardless of someone's a. maniac it's a maniac sport you just got. to like have better security that okay. to lead up and to meeting that guy that. got me in the professional wrestling guy. yeah okay so I get. this this phone call you're out boom. right and we go to this. bar and it's not a nice it's a bar that.

normal people don't go to and. so and we're in there and. there's I told Paul and Eddie that I. don't want to go there I just go I don't. I don't want. to. trouble and I was a well oiled and. primed machine for beaten ass and I'm. like and I had anger issues from being.

kicked out of my. dream and. um so they talked me into. it and I go okay listen if anybody. bothers me you guys have to take it take. care of. business and no problem and we were. supposed to be in a wrestling room. training and fighting. but the wind got knocked out of our.

sails my sale but they were in there for. me and so we're in there and it's a CD. place. and. CED things. happen this girl starts in with. Paul. Paul disables her and she falls on the. ground disa her well he foot swept her. cuz she was claw and it's a dirty you.

know it's a bad place anyways. so so that Paul didn't beat up her. boyfriend I came up behind him and got. double underhooks Underneath Him from. behind and was pulling him back and all. of a sudden they hear this loud. crack and a light flash across my eyes. I'm like what the [ __ ] happened you know. it was like sounded like the Jukebox. machine got broke you know the glass on. it what the hell happened man and I let.

go of pull pulling him back and I turn. around and there's a guy with a broken. pull. queue standing there and obviously I put. two and two. together put two and two together and. um his eyes were like oh that didn't go. the way I planned cuz he's still. standing here. and. um I don't know because I was knocked.

silly but I heard that he got hurt. really. bad and that's why the bartender or bar. owner wanted to. extort money from me from having a tape. of me beating up those guys ah he's like. yeah that guy came into my bar and. almost killed somebody and I have on. videotape I see that's a long roundabout.

back to the story got it yeah so it was. a whole lot of fights and a whole lot of. chaos when you were when you were. competing were you like what kind of. training were you doing if you were. drinking that much oh man see you know I. I really like to address this and. everybody thinks people don't think that. I train I I ran a marathon you think. that you just get up someday and go I'm. going to go run a marathon well there's. no way you didn't train. like you look at you you were very. strong you obviously you know even.

though you were a big guy your cardio. wasn't that bad you you were definitely. doing something you try try yeah no you. try try fighting three times on on that. day the first UFC 6 I believe I could. beat any. man uh any man on Earth that day on I. was in my Prime that day the only reason. why I lost is because of Big John. McCartney and his uh breaking up the. fights he he should have never broke.

that fight up did they break so there. was no rule at all about standing people. up no none I personally believe and I've. I've broken this down too many times to. repeat it but I'm goingon to anyway I. don't think they should ever stand. people up I think a person could take. you down person can take you down and. keep you down tough [ __ ] even if it's. boring like the whole idea is like. what's Real Talk Talk take take it away. from me. about McCartney uh affecting fights the. first fight they had and don't quote me.

on this cuz I'm I'm not a historian but. I believe it was boss rottin and Kevin. randman that was the first fight they. had with. judges John. McCartney got in there and broke that. fight up twice so boss could get back up. and and come back and fight him were. there rules back then about standups I'm. I I don't know I don't think so that was. an interesting fight I think it was the. first fight anybody ever won off their.

back really yeah but but no he shouldn't. have won if you watch that fight and I. just watched it recently Kevin random. and kicked his ass beat his ass severely. and John broke it up twice just so he. could uh to give boss a uh uh an. advantage a chance to get back up to his. feet yeah and and boss is is nothing. more than a charismatic uh what pancre.

pancreas is fake listen to Kin Shamrock. he said it it's fake well it's at worst. there were some fights at best it was. predetermined as Ken said I think there. was some real fights and I think this is. the true in all Japan there was some. real fights and there's some fixed. fights like when boss fought faki watch. that fight he beat the [ __ ] out of. funaki that was a real fight yeah I. haven't I I I don't know if you've seen. that one but that is not fake he beats.

the [ __ ] out of funaki I mean it's one. of the worst beatings anybody's ever. taken in pancreas is boss boss had. figured out instead of slapping to throw. Palms like. punches you know well I'm not going to. get into I know you discit a lot of. people because that's I'm not yeah but. like boss rutin was a bad. man I think uh. on Boss room to kosaka did you ever see. that fight I. don't it's a a skills.

fight. and what have you I I did see theu. kosaka was a very good fighter and that. was not I mean it was a skillful fight. but it was a brutal fight but was that. panra no that was UFC UFC that was his. first fight in the UFC I haven't seen it. he's had two fights in the UF I think he. had two fights in the UFC and in my. opinion I just watched it he lost random. so he's one one maybe he had more did he. have more of than two fights in the UFC. I can't think of a third I think I think.

he might have fought um the Indian guy. yes but that was uh Ruben Vale right but. that wasn't in um the UFC that was in. another organization that was like a. later fight right now I fought that. Ruben whatever guy that was my last. fight I came off of my hotel bed and. walked into the octagon didn't you have. a fight with Scott feroo in a backyard. yes that fight's [ __ ] great we played.

that fight once on the podcast like this. is so crazy these guys are so wild. they're just fighting on a lawn yeah no. they I they called me up and said I go. yeah I love fight that guy again and and. uh uh I flew out there. and went they wanted to do it in an. empty strip um Club how was this. organized like how does that some guy. some guy named Brian Grooms just came up. with some money yeah and said hey I'll. pay you guys to fight on a lawn well he.

wanted to do it in a an abandoned strip. club and I told him I go dude he's like. I'm having trouble I go I'm not I'm not. going get arrested I go I value my. freedom and he's like yeah and I go I'll. fight him anywhere he goes you do my. backyard I go hell yeah I'll do in my. backyard and so we went there and I. don't know what version you saw he put. He put some uh uh edited version out of. it but um he ended up going to the.

hospital again I sent him to the. hospital the first time and he went. again the the second time because of his. big. mouth well you were punching him on the. top and he was like cheering like he was. having a good time it was a kind of a. crazy fight to watch yeah I don't I. don't know if he was. cheering it was something like he was. saying woo like like this is great yeah. he's trying to he's trying to act yeah. like he's enjoying it yeah enjoying. getting beat up right yeah um only if a.

girl's doing it to me how many fights do. you think you had. total in all of MMA and in street fights. in your life you had a guess I have. guessed and you know what that's like uh. asking Wilt Chamberlain about how many. one night stands he's. had you know did he say 10,000 yeah so. like you know I not 10,000 I I I kind. of dabbled around before I got bored and.

thinking like wow you know last couple. years at least two times a week at least. and then you know that's 100 a year. that's what I'm saying and that I I two. times a week two times a week is so if. you looked at a chart of the average. person how many street fights they get. in the two times a week that is the. smallest percentage of the population. that's alive yeah yeah well I was into.

it what did you enjoy so much about it. because here's the thing you're you're. not a dumb guy you're you're like when. someone can get to a conversation with. you and you want to really start talking. about things you're a very bright guy. yes but you liked it oh yeah I love it. it's like your favorite thing well you. know I broke it down and. um recently not really recently ly but. in towards the after my surgery and all. these kind of things you sit around and.

talk to yourself all day um I come to. realize you know there's a like a cliche. I'm the bully's bully that kind of. thing. um I used. to set. up. um textbook. narcissist that. come in. and display their narcissism around.

people like you ever meet somebody that. that that you're like oh no those two. can't be around each other M well I was. the kind of guy and I've never I more of. an empath than people know but. um I. would my ears would perk up and my eyes. would open up when I saw a. narcissist that would try to uh belittle.

put people down okay and I would kind of. like be you my brother's 5 years older. than me and I kind of maybe you know. he's very athletic I come from like a. football dad's a football coach that. kind of thing and so maybe uh Dee rooted. I was resentful of him being older and. able to push me around or what have you.

and so when I see these narcissists and. I'd be like why would that guy be doing. that for what like what are you getting. yourself over and so I would put myself. in their vicinity and sooner or later. and if you look at me like even today I. walk down the street people give me the. IE like yeah you want some and. I and I they really oh hell yeah how are. you looking at them well you don't want. to know I'm like hey do you want some.

yeah exactly looking at you back yeah. and no I just smile and and it's like. it's not it's like are you kidding me I. feel like Billy Jack you know right like. you're you know you don't know what. you're going to get into same same back. in the day and I would go no no no no. you know I wrestled 190 lbs I wasn't. uh like I was when I was fighting once I. knew I was fighting I just ate. everything and just got as strong as big.

as I possibly. could um so sooner or later and I go no. no no no no no you're going to slow down. there and soon you talking to me one of. those kind of back and forth and like I. say um fighting to me is like walking. the dogs I I don't. okay we can go there if you want to and. uh like I said I've I've been a lot of.

fights and talk about uh Fighters. fortitude you know someone's B biting my. back or sticking the thumb in my eye. socket it's like all right just enjoy. your time right now cuz you're going to. pay the. price and the more you beat people up in. the street and in life the more jaded. and um you get used to it like you know.

I can remember like maybe in high school. or. something early High School you punch. somebody and you give them a black eye. it's like holy M. wow that like you want me to put my. hands on you I'm you're going to pay the. price if I have to especially nowadays. with my health being so fragile. um there's a different kind of a beating. people you know when I was a.

Youngster I used to go to all open. Wrestling rooms all the time and I. remember this old Warrior. coach he said you know. son human body can take a lot of be pain. a lot of. beatings and it was I still remember to. this day and I'm what a 59 now it it. just kind of resonated in ringing in my. ears like when you think you you don't.

think you can hit them again and the. more they are a smart ass and the more. they beg for a. beating I give them what they. deserve did you always feel that like. you. had you had like an ethic for like when. you would get in fights when you AB. absolutely you know you'd only get in. fights with. douchebags well yeah but they they think.

they act like oh don't nothing makes me. more upset and it doesn't happen so much. that I'm older now but like you're going. to tell me what to do or talk down to me. that I I used to go oh really are we. going. there who who there's a lot of people. out there and there's everybodys they. tough well there's a lot of people out. there that are just bluffing and they. just they talk crazy because they think.

that people are going to get scared and. you see it all the time online you can. watch a hundred videos of them doing it. to the wrong person it happens all the. time you do it to the wrong person and. the guy did you ever see the Joe. Schilling one no is one of the greatest. of all time Joe Schilling who's the man. he's a world champion kickboxer [ __ ]. great guy Joe chilling is a nice guy he. doesn't start [ __ ] with anybody he's. walking through bar and there's this. really aggressive guy who's drunk and. he's talking a lot of [ __ ] and Joe is.

walking by him the guy moves and he puts. his hands on his shoulders and he excuse. me he passes by and the guy talks [ __ ]. to him as he passes by and Joe turns. around and looks at him and apparently. the guy had been obnoxious all night and. Joe had been seeing him being obnoxious. all night and Joe looks at him and says. what the [ __ ] did you say and the guy. flinches at him and Joe just just two. shots and one as as is on the way down. and he's out cold watch this video cuz. it's that's exactly it's classic look at. this. guy this guy actually wound up suing him.

and losing the guy uh sued him and lost. and so watch Joe passes him and then the. guy says something he turns around ly. flinches on. them yeah wrong guy those videos people. love those videos that's the hundreds of. people there hundreds of people that. I've come across Karma you're like. Karma's Warrior going out to the bar yes. knock down douchebags and but you back. in the day before I became tank oh my.

God yeah all the time like who who whoa. whoa whoa I've never acted that way I. have only because I would see them. acting that way I would go and overdo. what they were doing just to go them on. yes do you ever wonder what uh it would. be like if you were if you were born in. a different timeline and you lived in. today's UFC do you ever think about it. like when you see how big it is now and.

you see like the sure the different. rules how you know these these kids and. whatever um come yeah I guess they're. kids the kids to us yeah exactly they. think they put a new spin on the wheel. the wheel's been around for a long time. and uh you. don't understand that you just because. you learn a leg lock doesn't make you. tough and uh there's some old bruisers.

out there they'll take it take it to you. yeah there certainly are um but it's. just it's a different thing now it's a. different thing with the five rounds. with the world championship fight you. know it's a different thing it's like. more of a skill I think it would be very. the problem is people wouldn't enjoy the. entertainment value as much cuz people. get tired you can't really fight for 15. minutes straight you're going to get. exhausted but can fight for 15 minutes. if you take a break every 5 minutes oh. there's there's not not a problem I.

don't think with rounds like but when. when somebody like say McCartney gets to. pick and choose when to break up the. fight yeah I don't I don't like that I. don't like I don't like that at all the. door for corruption I'm I'm I'm even. though I'm a hypocrite so I will say. like when I'm doing commentary they. should probably break this up cuz I'm. getting bored but I really do believe. that I mean I think if the the the thing. is they're allowed to break them up now. it's part of the rule set inactivity but. I don't think that should even be in the.

rules I I don't I also have another. controversial opinion I think if you. take a guy down and you're on top of him. at the end of the first round and you're. ground impounding I think the second. round starts in that exact same position. they have cameras it's super easy to. duplicate done that in Japan they should. do it they should do that here why. should you be allowed to start standing. up which is a hugely advantageous. position for a striker right hugely and. you didn't earn it you did not earn the. standup like if you got taken down and. you got controlled you never escaped.

that and you might not ever escape it if. it wasn't for you being stood up and you. starting for the next round like who. knows so not only do you get to get up. but you get a whole minute to recover. and then you're started in an. advantageous position for yourself. that's not it's like it's imbalanced. it's imbalanced if a guy is uh grappling. is a huge part of fighting and if you're. not a good wrestler and you're not a. good Grappler and some guy can take you. down and hold you down for the whole. fight that's the fight that's how it.

should be played out that's reality the. reality is you never earned a standup if. you can't figure out a way to sweep that. guy if you can't figure out a way to get. an underhook and get back up to your. feet then you stay down and that should. be what fighting is even if it's boring. because at least this way it's realistic. yeah absolutely and and like uh Mark. Coleman ground and pound I also think. that if you're not touching the cage as. long as you're not touching the cage. knees to head to a ground opponent I. don't think you should be allowed to.

Turtle I think I don't think you should. be allowed to just turtle and a guy. sprawled on you and he's got a hold of. your like a head and arm and he's on top. why wouldn't he knee you in the head of. course he would knee you in the head. that's that's a very effective technique. that would end fights that should be. legal as long as you're not touching the. cage where you're not stuck somewhere. where you can move you got to [ __ ]. move you can't. you can't allow that guy to hold you in. that if he does it's just as legitimate. as getting the tie clinch anding if.

standing up it's the same thing stalling. yeah well it's you can't be in that. you're not safe there also touching the. ground and avoiding knees to the face. [ __ ] you can't do that like they. should be able to knee you in the face. like you you should not touch the ground. because if you touch the ground your. face is wide open you should be like. this or you should figure out a way to. get out of there or he's going to win or. he got the best position you got to we. it's it's there's two many rules that. make it less about a fight and more. about like winning with the rule set.

like touch the touching the ground thing. is so crazy that guys have a guy. clinched up against the cage and if the. guy touches the ground you can't KNE him. in the face right that's bananas that's. literally bananas the guy standing up. chooses to touch the ground so that he. doesn't get kneat in the face right. that's a that's a crazy playing the game. part of the rules that doesn't lend. itself to realistic fighting that's not. fighting that's not like an accurate. assessment of what would happen in a. real fight if you leave like some of the. most effective things other than of.

course ey gouges and nut shots and [ __ ]. but if you leave that stuff out then. you're you're leaving out like really. effective techniques that would. definitely work and probably would end a. fight especially knees to the head to a. grounded opponent right 12 to six elbows. what how the [ __ ] is that still in there. I think they're taking that out now. right isn't that out. now they were just informing me they're. they're either close to taking that out. now or they're that was you know where. that came from they they were worried. that people break Bri bricks and ice on.

ESPN so they banned the 12 to six. elbow it's still all these years later. 2024 it's still banned it's [ __ ]. crazy they vote to remove nice okay so. this is in January so is it taken to is. it into effect already is that it uh. this might mean this. New Jersey I don't know if it's in every. I don't know if it's a like Countrywide. worldwide if it's ABC I think I think it.

is I think it is because uh Hunter. Campbell is the one who told me about it. it was either him or or Craig Craig. borsari but uh do you know the guys who. run the UFC now you ever. go I haven't been I've been on a medical. Hiatus for yeah tell me about this. because you uh they told you you were. going to drink yourself to death and. they were. right I did that yeah you came close no. I did you came close and you came back.

yes what. happened well you saw what I used to do. I just kept on no no no I mean what. happened physically to you like what I. got a liver transplant and a kidney. transplant holy [ __ ] yeah and I died. five times on the table holy [ __ ] did. did you both at the same time no they. did the kidney or the liver first and. wanted to make sure it take hold and. then months later they did the kidney.

how old were you when this was going on. six years ago okay and but I. had so 53 yeah um I had uh five Strokes. too so so sometimes I struggle it's hard. I I was. a. uh for a long time really really. slow like I Strokes yeah it was all on. the table um and so yeah it was it was a.

rough so do you have to take medication. to make sure that the your body doesn't. reject the organs yes yes does that [ __ ]. with your immune system well it is about. the immune system right but I mean does. it [ __ ] with you like do you get colds I. will always wonder no but you know what. um happened is like almost died from. that too was 2 days away according to. the doctor. um I got uh roundworm infection oh that.

was they think hanging around for a long. time and once I got on anti-rejection. medicine um they didn't it didn't have. any uh resistance right so it started. flourishing and they didn't know what. was going on and I was like. no you don't understand I'm dying and. not literally but from Pain and um.

they're like going we don't know what's. wrong with you anyways I couldn't take. it anymore so I ended up doing 30 more. days and this is after a while of being. home and I was actually going to the gym. crawling around on the wrestling mat. doing that kind of stuff. um turns out uh the doctor that saved me. Dr Toto he saved me twice two different.

surgery type things but um he uh did a. biopsy of my bowels and stuff and found. that I had round worm and I. was he's like you you know where you got. this from and I'm like I have some. guesses and. um so where'd you get round. well I don't know I I went to Costa Rica. a few times but um I don't know is it.

like a tropical. worm yeah I round worm is like a. intestinal thing okay so it's probably. from something you ate somewhere right. and so now it's just overrunning your. body yeah slowly and I I was in the. hospital for my after I did like four. months the first time on the second time. I went to the emergency room it couldn't. take anymore. twice and I was there for 30 days on.

morphine and it was very painful where I. developed a a. chant. of pain is temporary pain is. temporary. and oh my God for a month they finally. did a. and cut me open and did uh my bowels and. found that I had round wear and two days.

of medicine and I was better wow yeah I. imagine people dying from that must not. be very nice yeah I talked to this dude. once who told me that like 90% of people. that live in tropical climates 90% have. some sort of parasite in their body well. possible I. and want to hear a Nutty one this is.

what I was going to say. it's okay because I didn't say it um um. so when we went to Japan for first time. I was there with a Brazilian. fighter and he was eating a lot of food. food a lot of. food and Isaac's Bob all them are like G.

Jesus Christ you see how much food that. guy. eats but I'm like who oh I go oh ask guy. give it a rat's ass you going to. do and so I said hey why why you eating. so. much he's oh. oh he I wa you on the gas what's going. on and he's oh I'm like yeah the guas. huh he's no no it's the worm the.

worm I'm like go what the hell is he. talking about some type of Portuguese. thing and he was in front of everybody. and when I was in the hospital David. Isaac's came and saw me quite a bit and. he's like don't you remember that time. he was saying saying why why you eating. so much the worm the worm he goes it's a. round worm and I'm like wow I never.

thought of that could be possible we. were always eating dinners with all the. Japanese people and everything and I'm. well you could definitely get worms from. food you know if you get tape worms or. round worms like that's a [ __ ]. yeah well almost kill me they infectious. disease doctor came in with his badge. and everything he goes he goes you know. year down to like couple days left Jesus. Christ yeah especially with the. medication you were on right so the. worms are flourishing so you get rid of.

that and you they give you medication. and now um that now you have to get a. kidney transplant after the liver. transplant piece of cake that was that. was easy that was really easy so the. liver one was the bad one yeah I did I. did over over 120 days in ICU whoa yeah. what is that like hell. but you know I was laying there and uh. my wife uh told me obviously that they.

were. saying it's time for you to start. thinking about taking them off. unplugging. me it's that it's getting to that time. and she said this like the surgical ICU. floor like they could do surgery right. there in your room that you're in and uh. that's C Beverly Hills yay anyways. um she's like the doctor Dr Toto he came.

to her and said hey it's time for you to. really start thinking about does he want. to live like this I guess she told me I. was just laying there with a tracheotomy. with my eyes open and nothing. moving and uh she was there. anyway so David Isaac's came.

there and they're going yeah it was he. goes I'm going away for the weekend I'll. be back. Monday and. so they were talking about it holding my. hands and David Isaac said have you ever. seen Awakening I haven't seen it he goes. it was like a Awakening he goes you had. our hands and he goes you just you know. like your eyes came open and you started. shaking your hands up and.

down and so they didn't unplug me I'm. still here wow was that. close and you died five times yeah do. you have any weird memories of that you. know. when you have. sosis um went to the doctor's. hospital and um made it out by my house.

and uh got. a specialty doctor digestive whatever GI. doctor so he put me in touch with cedar. siai you got to have a. sponsor someone to sponsor you to be be. allowed into the. organ. uh system there transplants and so I.

went there and you there's like a you. know meetings and Association type you. know we're going to take you on and then. they say okay we'll see you in two weeks. you cannot drink anymore do not drink. you can't do it not even a little bit. nothing you're done and not a problem. and. so I'm like after a year I'm like God.

man what the hell is going on I mean. they just go there and they take your. blood and go okay see you later. well. um till the last time I went there and. you go in these little rooms and you get. these. like bed type chairs almost look like. dentist chairs and sitting there and. they walk out and they take your blood. and then she walks in the nurses and the.

doctor. assistants and all of a sudden they get. this Panic look on their face and mind. you I'd been doing this for like a year. year and a half and I've met with the. doctors and the guy doctors said to me. he goes I I'll do surgery on you but not. until you lose weight they gave me like. uh 50 pounds to lose I lost like. 75 you know so they knew I was serious. and about the whole nine yards and. so there was like a I'm sitting there in. the chair kind of like I am right now.

and usually it's kind of like hey how. you doing and you know what's going on. right but they were much more serious. very serious and I'm like uh looking at. my wife like what's going on here and. you know she basically died with me. during this whole. time I'm like what's going on what this. is something's not right. and she's like I go go go out there and. see what's going on and she comes back. and.

goes uh we're not going home I'm like. what are you talking about she goes um. your kidneys aren't working and I'm like. H. okay and. anyways. so I'm like looking at her like what the.

what the [ __ ] you know what's going on. and was like the most alone I've ever. felt in my life except for. her and the doctor and the everybody are. not making eye contact with me not doing. anything and a gurnie comes in and they. throw me on a gurnie and I'm like hey. hey what what's going on and they're. like they don't hear you they don't see.

you you just become like a log you know. what I mean you're. sensory void not you're. non-existent and I remember being pushed. out of the transplant center is across. the street by the hallway underneath. tunnel type. thing I remember laying there and the. fluorescent lights above me look like.

freeway lane. lights lines and I just remember laying. there just going oh. man this is this is a real deal you're. dying for. consciously it was like I died it was. like no one talked to me no one heard me. no one saw. me except for my wife bouncing back and. forth trying to hey hey what's this.

you'll be all right all right you'll be. all right and I'm like just being pushed. down this hallway to the. hospital and I remember getting pushed. into this room with all these machines. it looks like the. movies and I'm like wow and I remember. just laying on the bed there and. uh just going oh oh oh and then my.

wife's like you know like comforting me. and I'm like wow and to me that's when I. died and then I woke up with Isaac's and. my wife there but I guess I was in that. room for Six. Days on the machines and they were. waiting for a. transplant to come in and one came. in and told my wife we got.

one and she's like oh thank God you know. and we're going to do. surgery well it turned out somebody else. was waiting for one also and they were a. better match and my wife said they're a. better match she's an angel. she said let them have. it.

so the doctor came back in she said like. six hours. later and he said all right we're going. to go to surgery and she's. all I think you're messed up even though. you shouldn't be but I think you messed. up cuz we gave that other. liver to somebody else right no liver. okay the kidney is later my kidney. stopped working okay so they put me on.

dialysis I guess and waited for six days. and so she she's all no that they gave. that liver to the other person that was. the better. fit and he's all this never happens but. we got another. one because never happened ever and so. they did me and I was in a catatonic.

state. for weeks and weeks and weeks and then. they were talking about unplugging me. the dialis machines and all that kind of. stuff and um he go I'm going to go away. for the. weekend this is obviously conveyed to me. from My Wife and take the weekend to. think about what you want to do do cuz. you know this could be the best he gets. right here and she said the whole floor. knew that that was talk happened and she.

said everybody that she would walk down. the floor with their mood changed just. said it was total darkness it was like. she'd walked down the hall and everybody. us hi Sally hey how you doing right and. she said they were just like oh poor. girl right and then Isaac's came in and. she said they were both holding my. hands and I woke.

up and how much that how's this. experience changed your perspective. about just life knowing it almost went. away yeah yeah yeah now I'm a totally. different person completely. I that's what you were telling me when I. when I first saw you today yeah yeah no. I'm. I I used to be like. a I hate to say it.

narcissistic like I'm going to conquer. the world and no you can't mess with me. and. now it doesn't matter it didn't care. I oh you have that good for you I'm glad. for you you know I don't sometimes but. maybe before all this I'd be like oh man. how that I do that oh man I got to do. that I I'm better than that I can do. that I now it's like good for you man go.

go out and mow down whatever isn't that. a way better way to interface with life. absolutely I wish more people could. learn that lesson it took it took the. hard way for me but it's it's so. unfortunate that so many people go. around angry at other people's lives. yeah and thinking that they deserve what. that other person has a waste of time. 100% it's so bad for you too you're. carrying around just a bunch of extra. [ __ ] for no reason and you're doing. it to yourself yes and you know I with.

with Dana um I. I I was in a dark dark dark place and. just there there's some medical. things about that when you get ammonia. in your blood and it makes you crazy. crazy like they had like a warning thing. around my room like watch out for this. guy like I guess I kicked a physical.

therapist in the chest and all stuff and. I was ripping my cords out of me but. um um it's called. incopy mhm and um I would just just like. to my poor wife to people. that I've known for years I've just. talking crazy nonsense like almost like. Alzheimer's type they don't and they. they gu they would tell my wife like.

he's got ammonia in his blood and his. liver doesn't work and it's poison in. his brain and he doesn't know what he's. doing and I I I I believe that I left. according to my wife CU she would listen. to me on the phone IID leave Dana Choice. me uh messages. Dana White. yeah it's not funny but it really it's. funny if you realize how sick I was I.

thought I was going to die I mean yeah. you know. I I was living The Rock and Roll. Lifestyle I used to joke around rock and. rollers couldn't even hang with me I. once I got into. WCW you a. whole those guys live Rock and Roll. Lifestyle. it's like an athletic Rock and Roll. Lifestyle and I as you can imagine. pushed it to the floor and pedal of the.

metal man I was getting down was there. ever a time where you were realizing. that if I keep going something's going. to when was that when did it start. feeling like that. um I I uses. uh um well when I was wrestling I mean. it was the Rock and Roll Lifestyle like. you fly on a jet boom boom boom go for 8. day Loop fly home do your laundry do.

your thing and uh that kept me from. really taken off crazy but once. WCW got. sold and uh my contract was still valid. and I had I had money coming in and uh a. whole bunch of time so um Leaving Las. Vegas with Nick Cage where he's the. agent and he's all he gets fired from.

that show or not show but the talent. agency and he's like H Ben saunderson. and he's like what am I gonna do. now they go go to. Vegas I I was Ben serson after WCW was. done and I wasn't leaving every week to. go somewhere new I was like what am I. going to do now and I go I guess I'll. just drink myself to death not.

consciously but that's but that's what. you were doing that's I was I was. getting down so that's when the liver. started failing no my liver started. failing um when I went. back um to the. UFC that's when I held on man I pulled. in PH physical feet but when Dana called.

me to come back for the. um to do my comeback. thing I'm like sure and I kind of got. into shape. shape. um but he flew me out to Atlantic City I. believe and he goes okay I need you to. be down here tomorrow we're going to do. a shoot this whole n yards and I pride. myself on being responsible and doing.

what I'm supposed to do and being there. on time I'm one of those kind of people. and um. so I go to wake up and this is like I'm. coming back kind of thing and I was. supposed to be at this shoot I could not. I was like could not get out of bed I. was that sick and I almost missed the. whole show I I just out of just.

crawling to get there and I got there. halfway through the show and his agent. or his person that worked for him came. up to me and goes oh here you are where. were you and I'm going oh man I just. didn't feel very good I was I I was. awful like nauseous sick all the time so. I think that's when your liver was. starting to fail yeah and there's. there's stages MH and um that's kind of.

this is called a compensated liver. decompensated. liver it was. um compensated liver and it's like all. the things where your liver stops. working and you get sicker and sicker. and that's when you start turning y. yellow they would pump my stomach or my. cavity and pull out like a couple 2 L. things all the time oh was it just.

poison just running through your body. and and uh like in sephy opathy going. through your brain I was I was I was a. complete crazy like you know Ben. saunderson is the guy in Leaving Las. Vegas I make him look like a uh a. kindergartener I was that out of control. I was insane I can look back and just go. have you thought about writing a book I.

have written a book and I'm glad you. brought that up man thank you is it out. yes it's uh it's a Trilogy I wrote 900. page Trilogy really yeah did you bring. it did you bring the book yes I did it's. in my my bag over there there three of. them the first one's called bar brawler. and it's about um when uh it's 300 plus. pages long it's about how the um mid 80s.

and early 90s how people used to be and. how there's some really graphic um uh. fights in it and um who um some people. think it's an AI bibiography but it's. written as a. novel okay um that's a good way to do it. is and the main character is Walter. Fox and Walter. Fox it's how Walter fox goes through his.

life beating people up at bars and all. that and ends up fighting in a show. called. nhb and they call him crazy. Fox and um it's how Walter Fox through. all these trials and tribulations and up. as crazy Fox at the end of it there a. Trilogy it's 900 pages long plus did you.

write all this by yourself yes page. every single page I have a ghost writer. I have anything just sit in front of a. laptop you write it out by hand I. scribbled it out on a uh spiral notebook. bunch of them yeah and I hunt and pecked. the whole 900 plus Pages wow three books. why didn't he just learn how to type. I I because I'm a d but well you know. hunterz Thompson never really learned. how to type I Hunter S Thompson was.

hunting and pecking when he was. writing like Fear and Loathing in Las. Vegas I'm I'm telling you this if. especially if you're a fight fan uh it's. called before there. rules and um it's awesome I I'm pumping. myself up but if you want to know how a. real fighter in my. eyes before there were rules yes that's. the third book the second book is cage.

fighter and the first book Is bar. brawler and it goes pretty much the. whole what we've been discussing it goes. through all of those things and where. can people get these books they're on. Amazon okay and it's um some people. think it's an autobiography like I said. it's F exactly right fiction folks was. it plausible deniability yeah exactly. fiction folks and there's like the.

there's a a. fighting uh promoter. Matchmaker and his name is. um big Bart. shady and of that of that. show the nhb show the referee's name is. winshell. Duncan um and he's a little a little.

guy with a big. ego and uh. so you could draw parallels but I don't. tell you how to think but of but it's. actually how Walter Fox got all the way. through the bar scene and everything. that I. discussed um it's how Walter Fox ended. up becoming crazy Fox have you done a.

audio book for this yes is it did you. read it I listened to it okay somebody. else read it somebody else read no it's. oh yeah no it's on uh AI oh AI did it. yeah it's pretty good I I was I was. worried about the inflection and. everything right it it came out really. good no they're very sophisticated now. it's pretty incredible what they can do. now it's it's awesome David thank you. very much for being here man you're an. American original you really are it's. been cool to know you all these years.

and to you made the UFC a very exciting. thing in the early days you were one of. the big reasons for its early success. yes I believe so I think so too I think. everybody thinks so and uh I appreciate. you brother and good health to you and I. I hope you feel better thank you very. much um anybody your website anywhere. else people can see your stuff oh yeah. no just uh Amazon uh before their rules. do you have a. website uh yeah well what's it called. Instagram Instagram what's the Instagram.

uh tank. abbit okay yeah all right I. think anyways yeah like I said I I I've. had five Strokes so it's amazing that. I'm even talking so but um what was I. going to tell you there's my I don't. know we were talking about uh website. Instagram buy the books on Amazon uh. your Instagram David no tank. abbit oh. yeah be before there are rules um the. first word you know I WR like I said I.

wrote every single page of this book the. first word is. misspelled so all you. narcissists get preemptively blocking. people getting mad at you for. misspelling things no no I I like I put. it out there as bait for all those. narcissists to tell me how dumb I am. well you could have just corrected it I. spell things all time no you're just. always playing games yes all right well. thanks brother thanks for being here man. it's great to see you again it's a.

pleasure thank you for having best of. health to you thank you bye everybody. [Applause]. [Music].