JRE MMA Show #157 with Craig Jones

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day what's going on I like the one here. side I thank you yeah that's. professional a lot of guys do that help. my hearing hey it's fading in my old age. do you have U [ __ ] up ears because of. the cauliflower is it [ __ ] up your. hearing yeah just one of them I thought. it was cool until the inner ear started. to swell and it was messing with my. hearing and I was like I was like that's.

not cool anymore did you get it fixed I. just fa it at the women I'm talking. to did you get it fixed or oh it. eventually drained out but it's as good. as it's going to get I think yeah i' I. always wore ear guards I was always. scared of the ears cuz it's just there. there's a design like it helps capture. sound and bring it into your ear I. didn't know the airpods were coming that. threw a curveball and how cool this was. stuff them in there I Jam them in but it. pop back out yeah you got to wear over. over the years so uh let's talk about.

your tournament the tournament all what. did where did this come from first of. all cuz youve competed at Abu Dhabi this. is what I don't understand you're you're. you're gonna go head-to-head with ADCC. which is the biggest grappling. organization the World by the way that's. Gordon Ryan's Belt up there if you want. to look at it Gordon Ryan oh I might. take that home with me I can I get the. money to buy. it well I mean what's started it well. obviously you can't win a want you put.

your own tournament on that you can. win and probably lose. anyway um I mean really it's for the. growth of the sport we're getting some. beef involved some two pack biggie Drake. Kendrick energy to this but really to. compensate the athletes well and to. raise some money for charity along the. way and who's funding this thing that's. one of those things you know your girl. takes a trip to the UAE she comes back. with a handbag you don't talk about it. you don't have too many questions you. know you brought with you uh a million. dollars in cash which I've never seen. before.

I've never seen a million. dollars in one place I've never even. seen a million dollar check should we. tip this out yeah I guess tip it. out make sure we don't spill. any ladies and gentlemen that is $1. million in cash fall. stays that is so ridiculous look at that. that's so crazy.

ah wow whoever uh is running this really. trust you they should those are loose. they're they're like a lot of these are. just kind of flying around flopping. around here you know they have way too. much faith in me yeah a lot of faith in. you I mean this was to prove I I had the. idea I was like I'll bring a prop. million dollars on Joe Rogan but people. will I was thinking then they already. don't believe I have the money so if I. pulled out a prop million and you were. like oh that's fake money then I'm like. Oh my tournament's [ __ ] so we had so.

had to do some bad things for. that um so how's one even get a million. dollars out of a bank that's got to be a. pay in the ass right yeah so my buddy. that's helping me out with this. basically called his bank he said I need. a million dollars on Thursday they said. yo that takes two to three weeks and. he's like get me the million on Thursday. or I'll find a bank that can and that I. mean that put the energy in him get it. here we are so what is this guy do that. he has all this loot I I really don't. want to say I'm going to keep it all. directed at me it's all board legal you.

know what I mean but we're sort of. keeping it mysterious I want any. negative energy towards the tournament. come in my direction not the anonymous. sugar daddy in the background okay so. you you don't want to say like what the. business is or does the business profit. off of this at all does this benefit the. business to do this benefit their bus I. mean we're running it as a nonprofit so. like obviously for people that want to. support the sport of Jiu-Jitsu like. we're going to donate basically all the. ticket sales of this event towards. different charities so we really want to.

do this as a nonprofit because my. thoughts were if Jiu-Jitsu doesn't make. a profit we might as well make a. nonprofit okay well does Jiu-Jitsu make. no profit like Abu Dhabi doesn't turn a. profit right it's done primarily because. of the shik's uh love of the sport like. the yeah it's like a passion project but. I mean sort of my problem with the. latest event is like we're selling so. many tickets and they their event is in. T-Mobile m t-mob is super expensive as.

far as I know I remember their event. organizer posted the amount they paid. for t- mble and it was basically two of. these so I was just to rent out the. venue just to rent out and then and you. were at the Thomas and ma yeah so the. previous event were at they were at. Thomas and Mack so I just thought hey I. might as well check how much Thomas and. Mac cost and it was a lot cheaper so in. my opinion we're really doing this. because the prize money has been the. same for so long a lot of events don't. pay a lot of money but obviously 8 is.

the biggest right and this sells a lot. of ticket Sals but really they made a. lateral move in uh the venue that didn't. really grow much in the way of seeding. and none of that money really how much. does Thomas and Max heat uh I think. we'll have about 11,000 seeds for this. one and t- bumbles what 18 I think 18. yeah so not not massive difference and. really ADCC prize money stayed the same. so their prize money you have to win. four matches to get 10K not that I'd. know cuz I could never [ __ ] win it. we're going to pay we're going to do two.

divisions and pay a 100 times that. amount of money to the division winners. so 10K is the winner of ADCC and we're. going to pay $110,000 And1 to show up to. our tournament 10,000 And1 we throw an. extra dollar that's for me personally so. anybody who competes gets $110,000. really so even if you just get smoked. yeah I mean I'm thinking of the the. other guys like me in these tournaments. that don't make the final compensate. everyone you. know well that is nice but ADCC has. never made money right so for them them.

raising the money would just be losing. more. money yeah I mean but if I mean if if. you could sell 11,000 seats you know. what I mean like if you could sell. streaming rights to an event I feel like. some of that should go back towards the. athletes rather than just spending it. all on production like I a lot of people. talk about the cost of production and. it's important to grow a sport but I. really feel like at least the athlete. compensation should go up a little bit. you know like in terms of ticket sales. some of that should go back towards the. athletes even the ADCC is not making any.

money at all but in terms of they do. make money but it's where they spend it. they choose to spend it on production. rather than the athletes they right but. it's not profitable like in terms of the. the organ organization itself is not. really profitable I don't believe well I. I would imagine if they had chose Thomas. and Mack with the streaming rights and. the cost of the venue like that they've. spent on T-Mobile for sure they would. have made a profit off this event you. could Cil production cost down like it's.

not going to be that crazy if you choose. the right venue my opinion is grappling. is amazing but I don't think we're ready. for T-Mobile that's that's a massive. expensive venue right well team the the. Thomas and Mack was very impressive last. year it was very impressive the the. whole overall production and just the. scope of it and the the the amount of. fans that came out to watch ADCC it was. pretty impressive it's crazy yeah it's. crazy obviously I've never competed in. that many in front of that many people. before was awesome it was awesome.

spectacle that that was basically my. opinion is like why are we making a. lateral move in my opinion when we could. still keep the same venue so what was. the idea about going head-to-head with. ADCC if you want to grow the sport. wouldn't it be better to do it in an. alternative weekend that way the people. that compete at ADCC can also compete at. your event well we kind of we I mean. yeah obviously athletes can't do both. but in terms of for the fans the fans. will be able to go to our event Friday. Saturday still see 8 CC finals on Sunday.

but in terms of doing it the same. weekend we're I mean we're really trying. to make a stand that uh like the. athletes can unify in this sense and we. can uh get compensated better because. again none of I mean none of the. athletes care where we compete you know. what I mean like we want to make as the. sport grows grapplings growing obviously. thanks to people like you you've blown. it up when you whenever you shout us out. our followers go up so I mean the events. are getting more eyes on it people are. uh more ticket sales like we should get. at least.

some token gesture of a payment increase. well I think the best case scenario out. of this is that ADCC does ramp it up and. that the sport does get more eyeballs. because people are aware of this huge. increase in pay and then over look I. always feel a competition is good I just. don't necessarily like the idea of going. head-to-head because I feel like it just. kind of messes with the athletes CU you. know it get puts them in a situation. where they have to choose first of all. between ADCC and the Craig Jones.

Invitational and if they do that ADCC is. going to probably hold a grudge I mean. hopefully not well hopefully they hope. they won't but but likely they will I. mean doesn't it make sense that they. would I mean if you're kind of crippling. their organization by taking the elite. guys and offering them potential for. like how many people are going to jump. ship do you know oh I mean who will we. got confirmed already we've got Fon. Davies P Champion the Tacker brothers. were the first two we got Nikki I'm. going to announce today Nikki rods.

jumping across uh we got Luke rockold in. there we threw him in cuz he's just he's. honestly pretty impressive he tapped me. out in the gym I was like [ __ ] it we'll. throw him in uh in terms of the under we. got Joseph Chen so I mean a lot of. people are going to make the move and. what's interesting to me I I can't say. any names in particular but a lot of the. old Legends obviously want to be a part. of this event I think they believe they. want to support the cause you know I. mean and you say make the athletes make. a choice I mean really they should be. able to make the choice if there's an. event with such a huge amount of prize.

money on display you know the argument. is prestige versus prize money and my. argument is if the prize money is there. that becomes the most prestigious event. yeah it does it does ramp up the. prestige but will this happen again is. this a one-time thing or are you guys. planning on doing multiple ones of these. yeah we want to do it we don't 8cc every. two years so most of the time guys have. to wait every two we want to do it every. year well that would be good then there'. be a year where that's not in. competition we don't want to just kill. another organization and then I just. disappear off into the sunset maybe.

sneak a couple million but we want to do. it every year for sure the goal is. really to raise money for Charities and. do some film projects around the world. using Jiu-Jitsu really helping out some. underprivileged kids and stuff well that. the the whole idea of using it for. charity is beautiful that's that's. amazing um but is this guy willing to. Fork up this kind of like does he have a. commitment to do this more than once I. mean basically he says if hey we do a. good job with this one you can do it. every year he's super invested in sport. of jiujitsu he loves it and this guy's. just throwing loot away throwing a lot. of loot away thank God thank God that's.

a crazy thing to commit to though I mean. even no matter how rich you are I mean. cuz if you're giving away $3 million in. prize money is that what it is so I mean. so how's it Go all together we basically. got a budget of 3 million and we decided. to give 2.3 million of that to the. athletes and the rest we're going to. spend on production obviously we're. going to have sponsors come in we're. going to work with particular sponsors. but we're going again the ticket sales. that's going to charity we're really. allowing some of the athletes to choose. like if we have an influential and stuff. we're not really trying to leverage the.

money we have we're saying hey if we get. you on board we're happy to donate a. percentage of the tickets Sals to a. charity of your choice so we give them a. bit of freedom in who they want to help. well that's nice and if this does go. well like what is what's the when when. you say go well like what are the. guidelines what what what you trying to. achieve in terms of like going well to. do this again I mean based on the. investment and how much money we can. raise for charity is really the goal. there like if we can sell out Thomas and. Mack and we can demonstrate that we can.

do this in a cost-effective way we can. bring in more sponsors definitely going. to keep doing this every year Well I. like I said I think competition is. always great and I think just more. eyeballs and more people paying. attention to it is great for the sport. obviously I love Jiu-Jitsu and I think. you know the athletes getting paid a. million dollars to win first place is. fantastic I mean CU you know we both. know that most athletes don't make much. money off of actual competition the. money that they do make they usually. make in seminars and only.

fans that's you things yeah that's a lot. of underwear I had to sell you know only. fans and what else uh I guess DVDs yeah. I mean that's the number one uh Revenue. sourc trades would be instructionals but. like again that's like you can win the. biggest tournaments in the world it. doesn't necessarily translate to. seminars doesn't translate to. instructionals that's the sad thing it's. like you hold certain events so high. that you're like when I win that I'm. going to make it but then there'll be.

some [ __ ] like me that never won but. out sells you and it doesn't make you. know what I mean it's like it's not your. life's not set if you win one of these. events but if you win a million as a. Grappler you're pretty well set up. especially if you're like a Grappler. from a poorer country like a million Us. in Brazil is going to go a long long way. and also it's it's just going to elevate. the whole profile of the sport just. people knowing that a million dollars is. going towards the first place crafers. and then like has UFC Fight Pass had a. positive impact has that helped at all. for for sure I mean obviously it helps.

so much like my dream's always taken on. MMA guys you know like they got the. clout they got the big name so obviously. UFC fight passs help that happen but I. mean T's put a lot of work into the fir. Pass events and those are very very. popular I think that would be the. Pinnacle of sort of professional superf. fight events and what is like like if. you fight in UFC Fight Pass like what is. a big payday UFC Fight Pass I know some. of the athletes might get I don't even. know how I should say it tety will. probably kill me but I mean it's broad. like uh it could go from 10 to six six.

figures really and again that's I mean. that's the thing when you compete for an. event like a tournament you might face. four guys like for me personally I might. face four guys that I could have made. much more money facing off in a super. fight setting so really like in terms of. the investment the commitment the. training the time to prepare for. potentially four opponents to win. something like $10,000 when if I just. had four super fights right it make so. much more money obviously I don't get. the metal and the amount of money that.

you're going to spend in Camp anyway. just with nutrition supplements steroids. the damage duty all the Jazz everything. everything you mean you're spending. $10,000 anyway your blood pressure goes. up your liver valleys go up you push it. to the you readed line up for a thing. like uh ADCC well that is the craziest. thing about the sport is that steroids. are openly tolerated it's probably the. only Elite professional sport where. particularly because of Gordon because. Gordon's been so open about steroids.

that everyone knows that the athletes. are on juice well I'm sponsored by a. local company called everon and I this. is the sad thing I tell people hey I'm. on trt and I'm sponsored by them and No. One Believes Me they're like you look so. out of shape there's no way he's just. joking and I'm like no believe me I'm. taking Ser weights I mean sometimes yeah. every now and then yeah honestly I'm the. worst example of athlete ever I don't. stretch don't do any recovery I don't. sleep you don't stretch at all no I just. go easy the first around I feel like. them pushing on my legs with some like.

HP Mobility I think if you get a bad. injury that's a sign maybe TR to hang it. up you know so when you train all you do. is just jiujitsu you don't you don't. like I do a little bit of lifting but. man [ __ ] I didn't even track anything. I'll just be like oh that seems like. enough Lifting for today really yeah. that's it do you ever wonder like if you. did like hire like a serious like. strength and conditioning coach and. really get after it it would make a. difference in your performance. maybe but I mean like I mean if there.

was a million dollars on the line maybe. but that's a lot but it's your whole. life I mean you're a professional. Jiu-Jitsu guy I mean I love the. technique and the strategy aspect of it. you know like sometimes when I've lifted. or taken more stereos than usual it's. like uh I'm stting overly rely on my. strength what I love about Jiu-Jitsu is. laying traps tricking people making. people feel silly that's the part I like. right rather than just I want to look. Jack just for me enough for match but. don't you think even with the LAN traps. and just overall your ability to move.

would be enhanced it's true but if I. mean if I look to Jack and I want to buy. the instruction they be like come. [ __ ] do what that guy does you know I. got to look like a weathered do man out. there wow that's a a crazy approach we. got we got another announcement here. today the biggest super fight in. grappling history we signed it actually. I signed this maybe an hour and a half. ago so I got the contract did appr yeah. but busted out uh oh the biggest super.

fight in grappling history really yeah. it might be one of the biggest events in. what is the biggest so far so far it's. probably Gordon and gval terms G bueser. yeah um but now we're talking the most. decorated female athlete of all time. Gabby Garcia has put pen to paper to. face me on my own events so we're. talking 10 11 time world champion.

fulltime ADCC Champion you have been. joking around about this forever this is. actually going to happen 100% going to. happen we booked it we signed this. contract earlier so like uh I mean it's. I had to do a lot of things to get it. done you know what did you have to do I. had to talk to Gabby a. lot I had to go over there give her a. backrub you have to dance with her I. mean this getting this done like she's. like Harvey Weinstein producer you know. but I'll do it for the fans but we got. that booked so I mean she so that's. really going to happen yeah she's 6'4.

250b I don't know what I don't know what. she weighs yeah so I'll take her on wow. I feel good I I probably w't train for. I'll be planning this damn events say. you won't train I wouldn't train that. hard I'm happy she's doing it though. like oh it's took a long time we we've. been talking about this for two and a. half years feels like an arranged. marriage or something I know I was. always thinking that it was just a joke. I know we got to get we got to get rid. of the sexual tension somehow you know. so we're gonna throw down there one way. I mean that's in the contract if I lose.

I have to do some things oh no maybe. sell that on our only fans. but good luck good luck um so when this. all goes down um are you going to stream. it live and how are you going to do that. free on YouTube really yeah we want to. put it free on YouTube because we like. everything I want to do about this event. is to grow the sport so like do G see. scoring is confusing it's hard to keep. up some events don't even know their own. scoring and to be honest I compet in. events well I don't even know the rules.

you know I'm just hoping for the best. but this one we're going to do for the. leadup matches the non-f finals. qualifying matches 3 by five minute. rounds and we're going to have the. judges score according to your. traditional Judit you know like if you. get a good position it might be a if. there's a fourpoint discrepancy. something like that are you using a. specific rule set or you guys making. your own making our own one we want to. make it make it our own completely so we. want to take what Jiu-Jitsu guys already. know so we'll have three judges use some. sort of pre-existing point system and. they understand but we'll have the.

judges translate into a 10-point m. system so the MMA fans will understand. so say if there's a after round one the. guy finishes on the other guy's back the. ref stops it we get up we have a minute. break that's a strong position we'll. score that at 108 and we'll do open. scoring so Jiu-Jitsu guys are used to. knowing the score as the match. progresses they don't like the surprises. like MMA surprise at the end Jiu-Jitsu. guys they don't want things to be too. different so we're basically keeping it. very similar to what they already.

understand while trying to introduce it. in a a way that's friendly to fans that. tune in cuz fans have t and be like what. the [ __ ] happening he won the round. tonight I wish that MMA had open scoring. because it would expose a lot of really. bad scoring yeah you know where you're. at yeah because there's so many times. where it's just not and the argument. against it I think is silly because the. argument against it is that the person. would Coast if they were ahead but my. feeling is that would make the person. who's be behind really get after it cuz.

they know they're behind you know and. then in fights where you know a guy's. ahead and a guy's getting tooled up. that's already the case there's no you. know like if uh like adna is fighting. somebody and he's just dominating the. fight we all know that we all know that. and the only thing that could [ __ ] him. is a bad judge some crazy judge yeah and. and we've seen that we've seen like two. scores that are like that's right and. then one score one judge is like what. the [ __ ] was that guy watching. that's the guy we're going to hire for.

our. event that guy's going to be cheap why. that guy's going to be dangerous what. why 108 like I don't even like 108 for. MMA I think it sucks I mean just for a. way that we can grow like we can have an. easy to digest I mean I guess MMA is. still pretty confusing but we want MMA. fan we want to steal MMA fans like. that's my be my whole strategy is I'll. take on guys in the UFC cuz I know. they're drug tested and I'm not and I'll. be like and they're famous it's like a. perfect matchup but we want to do that. cuz we want to steal their fans and.

we're also changing and it's very. [ __ ] expensive actually every. Jiu-Jitsu event is basically on an. elevated stage or just on mats and we. have this problem where there's all. these weird resets like guys might fall. off the stage they crash into the table. that's crazy so inspired by karate. combat we're going to do a rectangular. mat space with an angled wall cuz. there's no there's nowhere to run and. we're going to call this rectangular. mats basic the alley you basically only. head the back alley to fight or [ __ ]. sometimes but isn't the angled wall a.

bit of a problem like I I saw your match. with Philip brow yeah and the angled. wall like all of a sudden he's [ __ ]. because you're just going to go down. like it's not like a wall like a wall I. don't like the cage in MMA I've said. multiple times I really think they. should be fighting in a basketball court. just make it all matted up have a long. red line where 30 by 40 it's going to be. massive that is big yeah so we heard the. basketall court but we threw some angles. on the end. them we want to punish guys for backing.

up okay so like again like you said with. a cage they back up but they remain. vertical and guys are so like you can. use that angle to not get taken down but. if you back up if you're running away we. want it to be detrimental to you while. not having any referee Interruption so. if I'm if I'm like you said I see I won. the first round 108 I'm coasting I'm. backing up that guy can chase me and. there's nowhere I can go and if I back. up it's detrimental to me I want to ask. you a specific question about the Philip. roow fight because he posted his arm. down. to like against the the angle and I was.

like well you're kind of [ __ ] if. you're doing that and then you threw up. the triangle and you trapped him but. like did you train for that like so he. this is this this is the setup and this. is in karate combat which is by the way. in Austin this Thursday I'm going to go. down and check that out oh man so like. this like when he posted his arm down. I'm like oh no that's honestly he's the. funny thing about it is uh as him the. promoter said to me he goes bro we got. to sell the angled wool for grappling. he's like can you try to M him off the. wall and I was like [ __ ] yeah I'll do.

that but I was like I was like I got no. plans of that they asked you to do it oh. yeah they said they said that' be cool. if he could do it and then afterwards. he's like did you plan that I was like. yeah sure but I mean anytime someone. posts a hand on the ground and we have. an overhook and we can put weight on. that hand they can't lift it off the. ground so we can shoot a triangle pretty. easy so well as soon as I saw him I've. got a overhook here we got the Russian. Tire as soon as I see him put that right. hand on the floor I was like we can do. something up flying and and I saw. because of the angle. you can be a bit more Brave you know.

like it's not as it's not as sharp a fo. right like I'm I'm 32 I probably. shouldn't be doing Flying [ __ ] but you. throw an angle in there I'll give it a. crack well especially with everything. padded up like that on the walls yeah. but man me and Phil were laughing before. this match like we I had a couple beers. before this I thought we're just going. to have a good time Phil you had a. couple beers before the match yeah Phil. said he was going to drink a tequila. shot to start the match but then I saw. him put water in his cup I was like I've. been misled here and then I we went out. there and his I didn't even know the. time of the match there was 8 minutes. and the the guy's like got 12-minute.

match I'm like oh [ __ ] and then his. coach started cornering him serious I. was like what have I got myself into it. so I was like better give it a I thought. we were going to have fun play around a. bit but he was uh he was ready to go you. really had a couple of beers yeah I do. do sometimes you know do you really take. the edge off yeah does it [ __ ] with your. performance at all I you know what I I. never know what helps my performance or. makes it worse you know I never have. like taking the edge off might help I. think so cuz well I do a Long training. camp sometimes I'm like thinking every. day putting pressure myself but like I.

finished that match and cuz I hit a. flying thing we just got hammered that. night I was celebrating then the next. day I was like [ __ ] I have to face. Lavato next week I was like what have I. done but I so it's like sometimes I. guess the Jon Jones approach you know. having some fun the week before takes. the edge off relaxes me ilot Toria does. that too he get he gets drunk on. Thursday night when he weighs in on. Friday that's that's why I don't like. what he did to my man but I respect the. drinking of the wine for sure. yeah that fight I wanted to talk to you. about that too I wanted to talk to you.

about just the volkanovski fight and. training him in general like did you try. did you try in any way to discourage him. from taking the makf fight on 10 days. Donas no I mean I'm not involved in that. process at all you know like uh I got. the call that it was happening like he. called me me I was jetl at the time I. just got into Austin for a day and I get. a call at 4: a.m. from vogs he's like I. think I have Mev booked in two weeks and. I was like [ __ ] it tell me I'll just. book the next fly I just got on the. plane down there so I'm not involved in.

the matchmaking decision process at all. were you apprehensive about him taking. that fight on such short. notice I mean I wouldn't say. apprehensive I I like believe him. believe in him fully I knew it would be. a very difficult challenge I didn't know. what sort of shape he was in at the time. I had seen him for a while but like I. believe in him that he can do it and. it's like I'm going to just do. everything I can to get him ready for. that moment and yeah I mean it is the. risk of the game you know especially you. take a short notice fight like that had. he been training at all I I honestly.

don't know I don't think he like he. wasn't in the same shape he was for the. previous MAF fight the previous m fight. I was down in Woolen gong with his team. freestyle for like uh six to eight weeks. helping him prepare for that one but I. mean this one yeah such short notice. well it made it such a huge difference. the the six to eight weeks just the fact. that he was able to survive on the. ground the way he was and not just that. but just not just survive but be. completely safe he he was never even.

close to being threatened with a. submission you know and the fact that he. was like laughing at off and punching. him from behind and it's crazy yeah I. mean I can't take uh too much credit for. that the guy just is a yeah he's just a. monster he's so hard to hold down even. for me to hold down I didn't get it I'm. like [ __ ] you w 45 this shouldn't be the. case you know rugby yeah some rugby. energy hey well also he used to weigh. 214 pounds and you still got those. [ __ ] tendons from being a big gorilla. that's true yeah the rugby days that's. crazy I mean our trains when train at. his gym one of the rugby players come in.

actually and I was just [ __ ] around. rolling with him and he put me in a chin. strap and I was stuck I was like [ __ ]. thank God these guys make real money in. other sports have to deal with this [ __ ]. yeah it's a hard [ __ ] sport man it's. a hard sport that Americans don't. necessarily appreciate they don't. understand like those are guys that. could compete in the NFL and they said. they're playing rugby because they live. in a different country but it's when. volkanovski fought the first time and he. was perfectly prepared it was an amazing. fight I thought he won I thought it was.

very close but I thought he won I gave I. think round two was the difference and I. could see round two going either way but. I gave it to vul but I was like when. when they announced it the rematch part. of me was like o that's a great fight. but the other part of me was like e this. is the number one in my opinion this is. the fight for number one pound-for-pound. right I believe vul won the first fight. although very close it's I don't think. it's a robbery but very close close and. I think that puts him as the number one.

pound-for-pound fighter in the world and. then he loses the fight to Islam he gets. caught with that head kick and then he. gets knocked out by Toria and now he's. not even in the conversation anymore so. this is a short amount of time you know. and then everything kind of falls apart. and I think it wouldn't have fallen. apart with if not for the rematch if it. wasn't for the re if he just waited for. Toria I think I got to think that head. KCK has a factor I mean to get brained. like that with Shin to the dome which is. the worst way to get knocked out you.

know it's so much power in legs I mean. your legs are you're carrying your legs. are carrying your body around all day I. don't think people that have never been. kicked understand how much more power is. in a leg Yeah I wouldn't know you get. head kicked like that and then you fight. the a guy who's obviously the most. dangerous boxer in the division in the. next fight and get. koed I mean yeah it's crazy I didn't. know the I've had a couple concussions. from grappling like accidents but KN and. head Buttes always that one [ __ ] you.

know going crazy but I don't know really. the effects of that it's so hard to. judge like it's like I don't know what. testing they can do but it's like uh. they can't do much Unfortunately they. they do there there are some tests but. the the reality is every time you get. knocked out it's easier for that person. to get knocked out again and. psychologically I think for the. opponents like for me coaching vogs like. there were matches where like even well. the fights when like say Ad him in the. sub and it's like when he keeps doing.

these impossible things you believe in. the myth of your guy more and more and. other Fighters do too they go couldn't. we couldn't submit him look how deep or. his heart his heart is just Unstoppable. but I think when a guy gets clipped like. that everyone else goes they suddenly. have a bit more self-belief so I think. yes it's like two two factors yeah I. think you're probably right but I think. Toria thought he was going to do that to. him anyway but I just Lov to seen him. fully recover from that like Manny. Pacquiao got knocked out by Marquez.

Freddy roach wouldn't let him do. anything for a year he's like you're. going to take one year off he's like. this is the only way you you have to and. Freddie Roach who has trauma induced. Parkinson's from his boxing career he's. well aware of the impact of brain damage. and you know it's it's so tricky because. I'm just such a huge vul fan that I just. like I wish I had his ear I I don't know. if you would have listened to me but if. I I had his ear I think that's what. makes those guys special though is that. they don't they're like it's the.

self-belief 100% that's what makes you a. champion you cannot become a volkanovski. without this Unstoppable belief in. yourself me and him are the complete. opposite hey if someone was like bro. you're probably going to lose I'm like. yeah you make a good point I'm like how. much are they paying me you know we're. complete opposite in every he takes. everything super serious sporting. everything I don't know how we've. Blended together I'm able to coach him. somehow well you're very technical I. mean the the thing about your you know. joking around and being silly about it. all it's like you are but your Technique.

is very very good obviously you you. obviously are one of the elite guys in. the world when it comes to technique so. it's not you you are serious yeah I mean. personality type you know like but I. guess we have the Australian Australian. Bond he has faith in me more faith in me. than the guy that gave me this I. think they both probably shouldn't what. is vul up to now do he's in Thailand. training at bangau with his uh so folks. wrestling Coach Frank Hickman they have. a gym in Thailand so he's out in.

bangtown getting some work in I want to. get him a grappling match I said to him. I said man like uh if we're going to. take some time away because of the. concussions let's get you a grappling. match and my thought was how like cool. would it be to see him and Orga have a. grappling match oh my God that would be. incredible I would just love to see it. in that setting because Orga obviously. struggles to submit him in MMA yeah. let's see what happens in a grappling. match right with no gloves too yeah that. would be very interesting Ortega's very. good on the ground he's very sneaky too. yeah yeah he's super slick he pull he.

catches some crazy [ __ ] out there he be. losing a fight like two three rounds get. one look at a guillotine [ __ ] it's crazy. no and his Guillotine is [ __ ] death I. mean when volkanovski got out of that. the mounted Guillotine his face looked. like a grape and just would not tap. would not tap I had no idea how he got. out but I told everyone I was like yeah. obviously that's me buy the DVD you know. support his grappling coach I take. credit for that he's an animal. 99.9% of the world world would have. tapped he's like that in the gym I. remember I'll choke him in the gym.

sometimes and he'll go from putting his. chin in to taking it out as your grips. in there like he'll try and switch it. from like uh I guess like the front. choke to the to the blood vessels he. just changes how you choke at him and. can survive down there wow I don't know. how he does it he should teach me that. [ __ ] I think it's just his brain too. yeah too tough yeah he's a [ __ ]. animal and so does he have a plan to. come back does he I don't I don't know. what's going on I imagine it's probably. Holloway versus Toria I think that's. going to happen and then I think I hope.

personally we get v a grappling match. maybe we get him at this event I'm. hoping we get him we get some MMA guys. at this event is he thinking about doing. something like that you don't have a. whole lot of time right when is this. event this is August 16th 17th yeah so. not much time but I mean if he's in. shape he's training he's out bangtown in. Thailand getting some rounds in I think. it's fine especially against another MMA. guy they both have the same type of. training you know it's not like he's. taking on a pure Grappler that's only. grappling so do you have a budget to do. something like that to do super fights.

as well actually yeah so we're we're. going to start taking sponsors to try. and get more Super fights and I'm in. talks with some Legends of the game. right now like some guys that you'd be. shocked hit me up uh I wouldn't say any. names but potentially I'll tell you. rme uh one of them has a Mexican sounded. last name but I'll talk to you about. that off the air okay um I know that one. yeah all the Legends they want to so. many people want to come out matter of. timer for this I think they just know.

like especially when I explain the rules. explain that it's in that alley like the. sunken floor you know they like that. format obviously you throw a million. dollars on your Instagram you get some. messages you know what I mean you get. some uh hey brother what's going on you. know yeah I think people are going to be. shocked at how good Luke rockold is yeah. he man he's so tough so he's very good. on the ground I remember when he got. Weidman down and mounted him widman. could not get up I was like this is his. ground game is very underrated and cuz. he's just known as an MMA guy and he's.

going to come train with us he's going. to come to be in five weeks so he's. going to prepare with us for this event. so we'll watch him and Nicki Rod kill. each other every day I love to watch. that [ __ ] wow yeah um I always wondered. how he would have done if he had gone. straight grappling because the people. that I know that trained with him said. dude I think he could have competed with. the best in the world as a Grappler just. as a pure Grappler yeah I mean he look. at the guys he's training with kib and. Islam C Velasquez like d all those guys. it's like people think it's like mm in.

isolation like those skills won't. translate they translate especially with. athletes like that especially in such a. a grappling dominated Camp he's going to. surprise some people what what I keep. laughing about is like it's a million. dollar for first place 10,000 for second. place I'm like who's tapping right for a. million dollars yeah I think what we're. going to do I haven't finalized this yet. but I think if you're in a submission. and the round ends we keep going get out. of the submission well there's been so. many times where guys were almost. submitted where you you think yeah this. guy I let him out of that arar to join.

the team you know look at happen I. didn't get any money out of that how bad. was his arm [ __ ] up after that that. arm bar was so tight well that was the. funny thing right is that and that was. ebi like what's the prize of. ebi well he had had some if I had. submitted him I would have won 15K and I. think he had only had two submissions in. regulation so he was um he only made 10K. so I like we could have made a business. deal there bro like just let it go but. man I I his arm popped on the day said.

it was fine next week I show up we both. competing in another event again and. there was like three four locker rooms. and I I would just travel by myself I. wouldn't even have a coach I just post. an Instagram story who can Corner me for. this event like the against Gordon I had. Denny Brer boss and he was saying 10th. Planet stuff to me and I didn't even. know what language he was speaking in. the corner there all right so I was. confused control yeah he saying do these. things I'm like what's happening bro and. then I show up to this next event yeah. casai grappling in New York. and of all the locker rooms they throw. me in there with the Dan guys and I'm.

just like this a bit weird like I had. this guy in AR by last week then he. choked me and now it's just me in a. lockering with them all it was very. awkward but then broke the ass and uh. came into train the next week and you. were with them for a long time you were. with them for like what five years with. danah her two two years two years so I. so what did it start before Puerto Rico. yes yeah I lived in New York for oh I. mean man my memory is hazy but we did. Puerto we survived Puerto Rico for 6. months and uh before that was I would.

come and go from New York I was played. with a team two and a half. years but yeah things get weird out. there in the jungle you know yeah. apocalypse down style well everyone's. confused as to what happened with you. guys that's what like there's no real. version of the truth we got a book deal. we got a movie deal coming out you know. I'm gonna exploit that story to The. Bitter End you have a book deal for real. no I'm joking but I could the story's. weird enough you know what what happened. with you guys I mean there's so many.

things we really can't discuss you know. uh a lot a lot of problems obviously a. lot of obviously two brothers split up. there's going to be some serious issues. there um but yeah it's not really my. place to say but hopefully one day it. comes out I think it'll be interesting. story who knows this [ __ ] might kick. things off it might be World War II. again so when you left like how did you. leave to start your own place when you. guys started B team was that the playing. all along no I honestly never even. wanted to start a gym I'd already told.

the guys like at danaher that I was like. Hey I'm going to this will be my last. atcc and then I just want to travel. around see the world visit interesting. destinations teach seminars like I felt. like I'd already built a brand but then. when the team split I felt like I sort. of wanted to help him kickart something. so we came here we started the B Team. I've been with the B Team we've had the. B Team two three years but I'm not there. too much anymore you know I helped. Kickstart it we got the gym the guys. have it you know so like I like. traveling. around so are you basically.

semi-retired for sure yeah for sure I. mean obviously when you put on like if. you put on an event that pisses off. every other promotion of the sport it's. going to probably be hard to get matches. in the future so I'll probably compete. for my own show and that's it that's the. plan we want to keep doing these shows. well I think you're going to piss off. ADCC for sure by going head-to-head with. them but I don't think it would piss off. Fight Pass or who's number one or do you. think well I mean if whoever is. streaming ADCC is obviously not going to.

be not going to be happy there more. competition but again I still think. longterm this story is going to grow the. sport it's it's an interesting story. it's fun let's see let's see what. happens it will either be the best event. ever or the fire Festival I'm hoping for. the the former the fire Festival are you. are you besides the Gabby Garcia thing. which is you know no disrespect kind of. a gimmick fight yeah for sure sure um. are you done competing I'll probably do. another match that's Gabby Gabby will be.

one day if someone's down I'll do a. match on the other day as well we'll see. but I also want to leave it open because. I am talking to some crazy big names and. I'm like man if we can put that together. like I'm going to try and save some. space but like obviously I have to run. this thing I wish you could tell me some. of those names on the air it's everyone. you could possibly think of I'll tell. you after there's a potential matchup. that I'm working on that's insane it' be. the craziest [ __ ] ever really. crazy yeah you want to tell me now we'll. cut it out yeah can we do that yeah yeah.

yeah uh I'm working on holy [ __ ] sorry. folks you can't know damn that would be. insane that would be. insane wow is uh the former is he. training training yep people have said. man he's feels good it'd be like. obviously crazy inspirational story I'd. love it love wow yeah that's insane it's. insane to you know and then it's like. Abu Dhabi for a lot of people is the.

Olympics of grappling and one of the. things is it's every two years I mean I. remember when John jacqu uh won Abu. Dhabi you know I had just started I. think this was like what year was this. when he started training when he uh. fought in Abu Dhabi early 2000s around. mid 2000s yeah I I was thinking I was. like a blue belt at the time and when. John jock went over there we were we. were just so proud that he went over. there and he he had this advantage over. a lot of the ghee guys in that he only.

has one hand and so he never relied on. grabbing collars everything was over. Hooks and underhooks and he had sort of. already developed uh a no ghee game that. he was applying to the ghee you know. obviously he could do all the ghee. techniques as well but he was more of a. nogee guy in the beginning and it was so. interesting watching that style you know. watching nogee which is if Abu Dhabi. didn't do that and if they didn't have. this prestigious event and make it no.

gee I think the sport would have really. struggled because it's so hard for. people to appreciate what's going on. with the ghee it's very slow and when. you see a guy getting choked by a collar. it's just it looks silly too yeah but. yeah I man I'm so happy Abu Dhabi exists. I think the inspiration for me to do. ADCC was uh Stuart Cooper's highlight. reals like when I was coming up like. 2009 2011 CM BR Andre gav's runs like. that inspired me. losing in the ghee more than noi also. inspired me to chase the noi dreams but.

like I'm following in Eddie Bravo's. footsteps you know we both did ADCC. couldn't win it we have our own. Invitational but yeah I thankful for. everything they've done I still. obviously love ADCC I wouldn't have a. career as big as it is without ad but do. you feel any loyalty to ADCC like you're. kind of [ __ ] them right I mean I feel. loyalty to the athletes I think like uh. for what we do and how much how much. bigger the sport is now we should be. compensated better you know like and. that's sort of why I've taken a massive. risk in doing this I appreciate what.

you're saying but if ADC is not turning. a profit like the idea of compensating. the athletes more I mean they have. essentially made stars out of so many of. these athletes and by because of that by. the fact of that they've profited but. there in lies the argument and the. argument is that I believe an event of. that magnitude should turn a profit I'm. going to do it myself and see obviously. I could be wrong but based on the. production and the things we've paid for.

thus far I don't see how you couldn't. run it in a profitable way obviously. we're giving away a 100 times as much. for two divisions mhm but man like if. they had even upped it to 20K you know. what I mean like some token gesture like. if we're going from a basketball court. with a 100 people in there to selling. out. T-Mobile like there should like if. there's room for a fireworks show if. there's room for drummers I feel like. there should be some room in the budget. for the athlete pay to increase no.

that's a good argument and hopefully by. forcing by this you guys will like. Inspire them and the argument is about. making stars like it's true it's true. obviously get a huge platform but you. could win and not become a star you know. I know plenty of guys well not plenty of. guys but I know a few people that have. won ADCC but really like no one knows. who they are yeah unfor that's like. that's crazy for me is I'll go to a. seminar and I'll sell out just because. of just [ __ ] gay jokes and stupid.

jokes all the time you know and I'll see. real champions that can't sell out a. seminar so if we can make an event that. those Champions can make some real money. and I'd be super happy well I think. you're also your popularity has. increased because people know that you. coached volkanovski and you've worked. with MMA athletes before do do you plan. on still doing that for sure yeah for. sure love volosi always be there for him. anytime I mean obviously mma's got a lot. of crazy individuals in there but like. to give up the time to work with the. correct athletes I will always have time.

for some of the real good guys out there. like obviously Izzy awesome I'd always. make time for Izzy Jack Dela from Perth. like guys like that just super cool guys. I'd always find time to help him yeah. Jack Del what a big win he got over. Gilbert man I steal moves off him I. remember when he went in the contender. series he hit like a maky ky reversal in. the first round of the contender series. fight and I was just blown away by his. grappling and I've been watching it. since and his reversal Gilbert Burns was. crazy yeah I've trained with him and I'm. just like I steal moves from him like.

he's man he's so good at grappling yeah. he's very good at striking too he's in. my opinion he's like one of the best in. the sport at mixing up shots from the. body to the head cuz so many fighters. for whatever reason are Head Hunters you. know and because you can knock a guy out. with one shot but Jack is so good at. mixing shots up to the body and to the. head I mean he just breaks guys down. yeah it's man he's a scary guy I was. lucky actually cuz before the toor fire. we were able to sort of link up so it.

was like uh he came out to uh Willen. gong and trained Izzy came out at the. same time so I got to watch Jack Del and. Izzy mix it up and then them train with. folks and for me even as an MMA fan it's. like I have to pitch myself sometimes be. like wow that's amazing it's just like. putting on this thing when I'm talking. to these guys about super fights it's. the dream as just a grappling fan I'm. just thinking oh what could we do who. could we convince into this event you. know like just from a pure fan. perspective it is pretty fun. those aspects I'm I'm sure it's it's.

going to be interesting to see whether. or not this can work um because a lot of. people have like looked at the UFC model. and said hey athletes should be getting. paid more money and so they put on these. events and none of them are profitable I. mean maybe Bellator was and they sold. Bellator and then there's the pfl I. don't know how they do financially but. they have the same sort of similar thing. they have a tournament the end of the. tournament the guy wins a million. dollars but my point is right is like if. you're an Olympic champion or if you're. a UFC Champion it has so much Prestige. that every single person in the world.

knows what it is it has this intrinsic. value yeah if you say you're an ibf. Champion or an ADCC Champion a very. small percentage of population know that. so it's like that's case in point we'. put on a tournament with much more money. everyone jump ships because they know. that's money whereas like obviously. Olympic gold medal that's Timeless. that's that's that crosses all sports. you know that crosses into culture how. many is our Jumping. Ship I mean I'll tell you afterwards but.

so is it public that they're jumping. ship or are they not talking about it or. well we got 16 spot spots in Under and. Over and I'm navigating through who. wants to be in there you know 16 spots. each so 32 total so I'm I'm trying to. navigate through the best guys we can. get and it's like everyone wants in you. know really so no one's worried about. the repercussions or this the blowback. from ADCC no cuz I think they see it as. wow I could get the money to show like I.

mean say so the tacket brothers local. Texas guys some of the nicest kids ever. you know and they were the first ones to. reach out to me they won the trials it's. been ADCC has been their dream their. entire life and they just hit me up. because No One Believes anything I say. unfortunately it's like you make too. many jokes everyone's like it's full of. [ __ ] but these guys were like man is. this real and I was like yeah it's real. and they're like well even if I have to. deal with the consequences even if I. have to go back and win the trials to. qualify again I want to sh at a million. to take and they're not even talking. about themselves I want to take care of.

my family and I'm like wow that's that's. a super cool motivation to do this. they're willing to risk it because. they'll fight their way back in well I. hope there's no repercussions I hope I. don't think that will be well you we'll. see right but I think best case scenario. is that ADCC recognizes that there's. competition and they have to raise up. the amount of money to get the athletes. and you know maybe it'll just Elevate. the profile of the sport and enough so. that's profitable still yeah it's a good. experiment Prestige versus but why do it.

the same weekend as them well you you. want the athletes to make a stand you. know are they together or you know what. what is the what is the motivation here. for these guys yeah money is the. motivation it's not NE it's sort of. making a stand but it's making a stand. that money is more important than this. organization that's propped up the sport. for 20 plus years well there's other. athletes that say a million dollar easy. to make you know there yeah you it's. easy for Gordon I mean Gordon makes a. lot of money I mean Gordon makes a lot.

of money through instructional just from. dominating for all these years but again. like like a million for most gu I mean. you grow up in Brazil you know you. million is not easy to make by any means. like especially like the instructional. Market is predominantly English speaking. people they're the ones that are going. to pay the highest price so it's like us. that speak English have a huge advantage. in that area like even me personally. just for having an accent a lot of. Americans are like wow he's [ __ ]. smarter use people like you for. infomercials yeah exactly they they take. it so I mean sell them up John Den you.

throw a kiwi Accent on it yeah he's. obviously a smart guy but that adds. points for sure are you still close to. him do you talk to him no we don't talk. so he's upset at this all this I don't. know I've run into him a few times with. shake hands but you know his General. demeanor you don't really know like you. know yeah I look back when we walk past. see there's no knife coming you know but. I helped him hide a few bodies in New. York you know so missing. but but we had a tie Bond he's uh he's a.

unique character I mean he seems like a. guy from a [ __ ] movie like he doesn't. even seem like a real guy you know some. professor of philosophy of Colombia who. becomes obsessed with jiu-jitsu sleeps. on the mats teaches everybody and forces. everybody to train 365 days a year yeah. that's an interesting fell yeah what was. it like doing that like the 365 days a. year I mean I wouldn't do it you know I. would be like bro what taking a day off. you know let me have a day to relax I. wouldn't necessarily do it I mean it was.

a lot of training though he kind like he. wanted it to be your life you know like. and obviously it should be but a lot of. a lot of pressure a lot of pressure to. be a part of that team did you talk to. him about that the philosophy behind. those. decisions I mean we had a lot of. discussions I think like we were. actually really close because I'm from. like he's New Zealand I'm austral I'm. from his part of the world so a lot of. the time Australians visit he actually. has a tight connection with him because. we have a lot of things we can relate on.

so we I mean we talk all the time i'. probably unfortunately probably me and. Nicki Ryan were two of the ones he was. closest to before the team. split H and when you guys were training. there I mean how beneficial is it having. a guy like him around super beneficial. and also not just because of who he is. and how smart he is but like he. basically approached it like an MMA. coach you know like MMA coach is always. watching is always guiding your training. most Jiu-Jitsu coaches are participating. they teach you a few moves they roll. with everyone right so to have a guy.

that approaches it like an MMA coach. where he approaches it with that level. of professionalism watching making. adjustments I think even something as. simple as that is a huge. benefit yeah I think so too also a guy. who's uh physically impaired where he. can't compete but he has so much passion. for it that he pours it all into the. athletes yeah and I think what made him. so brilliant as well is obviously his. college and university he knows how to. study he knows how to take notes on.

everything he knows how to teach you put. him in henzo Gracie's in New York for 20. years when it was the Hub of MMA and. grappling guys like hoder Gracie are. passing through all the time he's. basically in this position where he can. just watch train with all these guys. pick up all these details and have it. locked and loaded ready to teach in a. perfect way like obviously his game's. heavily inspired by Marcel. you know like he just takes the really. useful things and can articulate it in a.

way that's better than most of the. people in the sport before him so I. think there's all these factors that. have made him who he is and why he's so. successful how much of a factor is this. the constant training the training of. 365 days a year like how do you balance. the burnout with the discipline like how. do you like cuz I think inspiration is. uh almost enthusiasm an inspiration are. almost I think discipline's more. important for sure but they're factors.

that can't be ignored because when an. athlete loses inspiration and loses. enthusiasm they just don't have the. mental drive to push through like. very difficult situations you know what. I'm saying like you just lose the steam. you lose the engine I mean I don't think. you should do 365 a year you know like I. think you should Peak for events have a. period of time afterwards where you slow. down and then when you not preparing for.

an event you're studying technique when. you get closer to an event you're. refining those particular techniques and. skills for that particular event's rule. set or opponent or whatever and we. should like go up and down and like I. like it when you have an event whether. you win or lose you don't train too much. after you have this period where you. miss training and you're like pulled. back into it so I I do and I think I. mean even like see Gordon's had forc. breaks with health issues but like as. long as I've known him and we train.

together like there would be time. periods where he would wouldn't be at. training for a week or two you know so. it's like I think it's like a a myth we. should all strive for but everyone. should be entitled to some time off did. you ever talk to John about that I mean. I would just take a day off every week. but luckily like I think he had some. love for the Australians let me get away. with some things he wouldn't let other. people do so I mean I would be chilling. you know does he enforce that like the. 365 days a week a year rather I don't. know if there's a real strong. enforcement but there's like an unspoken.

you better be there you know like but I. who knows what it's like now obviously. he's moved to Austin my memory is. probably phazzy probably forgot some. things but yeah obviously I'm super. appreciative that I had I was a part of. that team but I mean I was with like Lan. I'm I'm lucky I moved to Melbourne was. with Lan JS for a few years who had a. massive Splash at ADCC 2019 and then I. was with John so like I've been around. some good coaches you know so I think I. a lucky position despite coming from. Australia not as lucky as others like it.

would have been amazing to be like a. Nicki Ryan born right next to New York. and got to train with someone with the. people in that team or have that coaches. but again like we're all not that lucky. I didn't even train with a black belt I. was already a purple Bell so it's like. we all yeah we all weren't exposed cuz. I'm from Australia I probably came up. with a time period in my city that was. more like an older time in the US where. black belts were like w never met one. what year did you start. training oh probably 17 years ago now.

and even back then there weren't many. black belts around no when I started. training I just trained with my cousin. and he was like a four strip white belt. there was like two people on the mats. you know there was nothing I trained. twice a week I didn't train properly for. a long time you trade twice a week yeah. I was just like I didn't even think I. didn't even know what it was you know we. just [ __ ] you just doing it for fun yeah. what were you doing for living back then. I was still in high school when I first. started and then I was just flipping. burgers of Burger King basically then I. did uh a psychology degree just a. bachelor's sbart like I had to work jobs.

study and do Jiu-Jitsu so these [ __ ]. today they get a gist train I'm so. envious of them you know like it's just. the sport again the Sport's growing that. much with the sponsorship deals and. stuff so so back then how did you learn. technique man I had Eddie like here's. the funny thing I had Eddie Bravo's. mastering the ragard book that came to. me at a very influential time where I. read the chapter about weed I was like. [ __ ] it maybe I should start smoking. weed you know so like I was like. thinking I'm going to learn some. techniques ended up smoking weight all. the.

time yeah it doesn't work for everybody. it's interesting the the weed thing CU. some people think it makes you lazy and. I think you're just lazy I think if you. if weed makes you lazy you're lazy I. just I don't I don't I it makes me think. about the consequence like the idea of. paranoia like people talk about weed. paranoia I think it's like a hyper. awareness and you know Eddie once said. this to me like if your life is [ __ ] and. you smoke weed it's going to feel. terrible but if your life is great and.

you smoke Fe weed you're going to feel. good like if you got all you don't have. any problems in your life you don't have. any things you're dealing with if you've. dealt with your problems and you're just. like on a good path then weed's good for. you but weed has never made me lazy it's. the opposite I smoke weed I always feel. like don't be lazy good got good things. to do you don't want these things. [ __ ] with you you don't want these. things hanging over your head like that. hyper awareness is it's like part of my. work ethic. you know like the the like oversight. like someone is looking over me all the.

time making sure I I can't lie to myself. or to other people like I have to do. this the things I'm actually supposed to. do that's my feeling about it well I. mean I read his book and I was like 17. smoking bongs driving a training in the. car having pre-workout getting ready to. go to war you know like that's basically. flu it that on me but it was good I. think rolling like Rolling High keeps. you fluent keeps you I wouldn't do all. the time sometimes I meet guys that are. so high that I've just smashed them for. a round but they've done one thing but.

they're so like fascinated by that like. the perceptions of sometimes I think. that's possible true that's too but I've. always felt like I was like 10% better. when I was high I really feel like. that's was quite a few things you got. try a couple beers have around I'm. scared beers don't help me like like. when I play pool if I play pool High I. play way better if I play pool drunk I'm. not good oh really yeah I think with me. alcohol just makes me not pay attention. to [ __ ]. alcohol for me is like. uh I'm not I'm not a focused person if.

I'm drinking I need that for sport that. gives me a false sense of confidence you. know I think that's. useful maybe one or two beers but drunk. have you ever competed drunk. uh I've felt it for sure you know it's. usually not be she usually a vodka soda. or something so if if a fan sees I'm. like soda water a man and you've done. that many times where you just to take. the edge off five six times I mean I was. I had a couple drinks before the levado. match cuz we had the howad bottle back. there I was like hey come on throw us.

some sponsorship money you know and put. that up but sadly. not well isn't Hower head owned by Dana. doesn't Dana yeah that was the thing I. was like go sneak us a bottle back here. man put in the. Vlog um when you were training and you. were learning from books like did you. have any videos that you studied was it. like how did you learn techniques other. than just books I mean we I I'm trying. to remember what books I had had man I. had like uh PJ Penn's book Eddie Bravo's. book like the actual textbooks and then.

I started buying the instruction I was. like I had KIRO Pan's Judo for MMA I had. Ryan hules he he was one he really. changed the game with instructional was. in the early days so like stealing all. his moves and then I learned about the. world of torrent sites and I started. illegally acquiring every instruction I. could and then we try to self-learn on. the mats studying these and then. drilling the moves that's really so I. was really self-taught up until purple. bell really just focused on using. instructionals and then where did you go. for purple BT after then I moved to.

Melbourne with Lan Gils and basically. was like two and a half years there and. then two and a half years with John. that's a crazy little amount of time. yeah I didn't spend that's that's the. thing a lot of people obviously they. just notice when you achieve something. you know what I mean so like I trained. by myself a long time before I was able. to join any big teams what do you think. attributed to your. success I think I mean I honestly I. don't know I put in the work in the. early days for sure and then studying.

studying studying and then just being at. the Forefront of the leglocks sort of. saga you know like I got in the right. time I saw techniques in the ghee like. the beer andola that would just a new. technique that would wipe the floor with. experienced black belts you you could. use it on people you had no business. beating those were the techniques I. wanted and I saw the Dano guys use heel. Hooks and I was like man if I as a. purple belt can submit some black belts. I'm like that's [ __ ] and that's. that's the way I got to go and so how. did you wind up training with John and.

the well I mean I would just obviously. Australia is far away hard for us me to. keep doing that 16-hour Journey back and. forth I wanted to stay in America so I. just started doing my camps there that. was the best place to do it it was like. 100 people in the room doing noi. obviously it had that DDS Squad there. that was awesome Dan her focus at that. time there really weren't too many. places in the world that would take noi. as seriously as guys how bad was the. staff infections going around down there. I got staff every month every month.

there I remember how the [ __ ] is that. possible I got I got it under my eye one. time and the guy was the doctor was like. bro if it it'sit your eye you're [ __ ]. I was like oh it's reassuring hey thank. you but yeah every month I was on it I. remember I used to go trips to Mexico to. get some medicine so I'd go down there. buy a bunch of doxy cycling buy like 90. tablets of it I just sit on it keep. taking them used to buy my steroids down. in Mexico too but isn't that that's. probably what [ __ ] Gordon's stomach up. the steroids I mean no I mean the the.

antibiotic yeah I don't think the. steroids I mean yeah probably probably. bit everything who knows yeah the the. antibiotics definitely not good for you. but when you're on antibiotic he was on. antibiotics for a year straight which. first of all is crazy because the amount. of discipline it takes to train that. much while you're on antibiotics for. people don't know antibiotics wreck your. cardio just wreck your physical strength. wreck your Your vitality I got staff. once and I remember took antibiotics and. and I don't think i' had ever taken. antibiotics before while I was training.

and um when I was recovering from staff. I was like this is nuts I feel like I'm. 50% you're at 50% like when Luke rockold. beat Chris Weidman he was on antibiotics. taking I mean I've taken it a lot during. matches I've taken it a lot I've been on. it all the time you the last two matches. [ __ ] wrecks you though right yeah I. had bad stuff on my leg like even during. the that Philip Ro match I remember I. submitted him and he had staff a few. days later I was like got you twice mate. but but that was bad when the doctor had.

to cut that open and like squeeze it out. that was horrible but I think yeah the. more you take antibiotics the less uh. effect they have on you so now I get. staff it's [ __ ] really annoying do. you use anything to protect your skin. like do use defense soap or anything. like that N I just try to shower. straight afterwards you know just. regular soap yeah anything I think we. have some branded soap in there but like. I think it's just important like I mean. we're dealing with some people that. don't even know how to shower like. that's crazy yeah some of they have a. quick rinse get out of there you know I. would see guys do that when they would.

train and they would just go home sweaty. I'm like you're out of your [ __ ] mind. like you're allowing that stuff to breed. on your skin while you're in your car. it's hot out that was Puerto Rico we had. no showers at the gym oh God so we'd. have a 60-minute drive home after each. class without uh having a shower oh. that's insane not good for the car. fabric smell but was the Puerto Rico gym. wasn't that exposed to sunlight at least. wasn't the mat exposed to sunlight not. enough but you know what cuz I get the. ocean every day I think maybe that. helped a lot of sunshine down there too.

yeah that probably helps a lot sunlight. on the mats apparently is a great thing. like if you could open up garage doors. and have sunlight on the mats apparently. that that kills a lot of things yeah for. sure I also think sometimes like the. over train like your immune system's. just down because maybe your stress. sleeping sure you're really stressed. about a match a lot of people get stuff. around a match because they push the. training up due to the anxiety of the. match they're thinking about it messes. with their sleep and then they're just. vulnerable to it when you were training. did you ever monitor your heart rate.

check your heart rate in the morning. make sure you're not over trining you. know I thought about doing that stuff. that HIV stuff I saw the I looked up one. of the machines at the time I was like. [ __ ] that's expensive I I mean now I. don't monitor anything I get my blood. pressure checked it's concerning you. know I almost failed the last two. Medicals cuz the doctor was like bro. your blood pressure is through the roof. really I was like POS man D did so it's. not MMA why would your blood pressure be. so high good question hey probably too. much caffeine. think that's it I don't know we should. find out but I'm busy traveling all the. time we should look into it you don't.

know what's. wrong oh freak me out my blood pressure. was high now you're freaking me out now. we'll test it. off I mean there feel like I got to. survive for this [ __ ] or Somey I. understand but you're you're relying on. your body that's your business your. business is your body I just hope it's a. faulty test you know I'm like faulty. test for blood pressure I think those. things are 100% I'm like the B step's. too big get a bigger F I don't think. they're ever wrong with blood pre I mean. there's factors you could be stressed.

out that'll that'll raise up your blood. pressure I was making jokes with the. doctor last time I competed in Dubai um. and I was making jokes with him and he. was just like not laughing at all he's. like not having a day the Mexican doctor. for karate combat loved it but not the. Dubai guy oh that's funny I faced uh you. know the guy in the UFC that finished. Kevin Lee real quick H not he finished. Kevin Lee like with a he knocked him. down guillotined him in a minute oh the. last guy yeah his last fight can't. remember his last name renat Rena I.

can't remember his name right he was. crazy though man he did not want to tap. had him buggy choke put him in a. triangle he went to there it is Rea how. say that [ __ ]. ROV go give his middle forof forof his. middle name's tougher there yeah wow. rash Ric he's just like how can I. [ __ ] make Bruce Buffer's life. difficult day yeah bro buffers got it. rough I got it rough on the I [ __ ] up. all the time on the the the weigh-ins.

when I have to do the weigh-ins do they. get angry with you does anyone get angry. no no luckily no one's gotten angry at. me but it's always a mistake I've [ __ ]. up a few times it's hard those words are. hard sometimes your mouth just doesn't. work right you know it just doesn't come. out right I [ __ ] up Umar. nurmagomedov's name once when I was. after his fight I was like God damn it. yeah it just came out. like I can't even say it now hey it's. hard some of the um zabit was the. hardest maged sherov yeah zabit magamed.

sherov that was a guy that I [ __ ] man I. was really bummed out when he stepped. out when he just decided enough's enough. I think he's a doctor now really I think. so find out what he's doing do I beat. magamed sherov that guy was [ __ ] good. man he did some cool [ __ ] yeah oh he did. some wild [ __ ] he was so interesting. because he was from dagistan but he. fought like a he you know like almost. like a karate fighter yeah crazy kicks. yeah wild kicks man and he could do.

anything I mean crazy trips too he would. do that trip oh yeah the he sort of led. the way with that now that vks does it a. lot of guys try to do that one yeah he. was very good at that one particular. trip he's just so clever so clever and. creative and such an interesting fighter. to watch I was bummed out man like. really bummed out when that guy retired. I was like [ __ ] that's why I traveling. around finding these guys like these. mysterious guys like I was in Japan I. could to have dinner with Yi sudo ah I.

love that dude that's the coolest guy I. ever gke like a politician now man he's. not at Old remember when he used to. carry around that flag with all the all. the flags and we are all one what a. beautiful guy so cool man so cool win a. fight and then hold this up like we are. all one and then he just retired to. pursue becoming a pop star and now he's. a politician he was a pop star yeah he. owns restaurants yeah have you seen his. uh dancing video. no what's it called imagine a guy who. fights that good could probably dance. like a [ __ ] crazy dancing gkey.

sudo won I forget the name of it C like. dancing Montage singing is he does it. all no [ __ ] wow I'm not surprised he's a. creative guy he was creative as a. fighter too very interesting fighter to. watch he retired uh and like he became a. pop star to grow in popularity like even. fighting wasn't his Focus he just wanted. to leverage fighting and becoming a pop. star to help him get in to politics to. help people he really just wants to help. people so those were side gigs to get. him to where he is today where he can.

use his political influence to help. people in Japan wow that is amazing does. he look at him is this him dancing oh. yeah first pitch with got first pitch. with all his dudes behind. him oh terrible pitch yeah self. throw. wow that's pretty cool some crazy man he. back in that Westside grappling. tournament he like was hitting some. moves back then that oh yeah man.

Innovative today yeah wild explosive. interesting guy just very interesting I. mean that's the kind of thing about the. sport that's so cool is that you get. these human beings that just exceptional. human beings that decide to challenge. themselves and one of the most difficult. things a person can do like volkanovski. like he's a very interesting guy because. like it takes extreme character and will. and dis discipline to become Alexander. volkanovski the greatest featherweight. of all time I mean it it takes a lot to.

be that person yeah you know and and you. learn a lot just by being around those. people you you learn about human. potential I yeah I mean I even learn. grappling from these guys you know. people think I show up and I'm just. helping them like those guys are so. talented like I steal [ __ ] from them as. well you know just I don't know how they. do it all V does it all what have you. learned from vul I mean just the way. like I really steal a lot from MMA. fighters and how they turtle and get up. from there m. a lot of Grapplers don't understand that. like until they roll with a good MMA guy. and the guy just keeps getting up and.

they're like what is happening like like. Derrick Lewis yeah they just just stands. up I love that I stole that for an. instructional name just stand up and I. was like Dereck Lewis. inspired no you did do that right you. did make a whole instructional about. getting up yeah is it because some guys. get just too captured with the idea of. engaging and grappling and not getting. up yeah well like U like if a guy gets. these God PES you just just look to get. God back whereas like sometimes it's. good to expose your back and just stand. up and reset whereas like a lot of.

jistic guys are so scared to expose. their back they refuse to ever do it so. it's like the when an MMA glad does it. they don't know how to deal with it. they're not as good at dealing with it. it's fine them interesting yeah because. you don't think about it yeah well it's. always like when you have new. variabilities new variables new. variables into any sort of fighting. discipline like oh this is a new thing. that I didn't consider yeah I love that. like that's why that's why I love about. Jiu-Jitsu Jiu-Jitsu can be more. complicated MMA is a bit more simple so.

it's like we can make all these. instructions and you did so about all. these weird positions like octopus G and. stuff because you can be endlessly. creative whereas in MMA the consequences. are so strong severe right it's a much. simpler game doesn't mean it's easier. there's just less things you can do well. that's what's interesting is that guys. in MMA in general aren't as good at. submissions because they have all these. other disciplines to consider it's like. when I went from um Taekwondo to. kickboxing is one of the things that I. realized like oh when people are.

punching you in the face there's a lot. of stuff you can't do but if people. aren't punching you in the face damn you. get good at kicking you know like and so. these guys who are used to getting. punched in the face there's stuff that. they're just not they don't have the. dexterity they don't have the ability to. do and I don't know if you develop that. the same to the same extent like when. you see guys like Wonderboy who started. out with with karate like that guy can. do stuff with his legs that the average. person can't do you know or Yer yaer.

Rodriguez my God that guy he's one of my. favorite guys to watch cuz his [ __ ]. kicks are crazy they just come from. everywhere who's he fighting next that's. a good question did he just fight he. just F was so tiger his last fight I. believe was that his last fight let's. say pull up yayer Rodriguez but let's. just find out what Yaya Rodriguez's next. fight is I don't know if they've. announced it I haven't heard anything. yeah it's funny when you're in the uh. when you friends with a bunch of MMA. fighters sometimes they let you know of.

a fight that's not been announced you're. like [ __ ] I better not say right better. not drop the news get in trouble like. yeah that happens all the time yeah I. [ __ ] up a few times does it say nothing. booked was eger's last. one yes yeah so he lost. arga and before that. volkanovski volkanovski beat his ass. that was a that was a prime vulcanos. display yeah that was crazy that man. yeah he just he's just so strong just.

like he's a merer out muscled him in the. clinch and we worked on a bunch of stuff. because of how dangerous y's guard is. like he he's got a dangerous guard and. we had to overcome the fact that like if. you leave space against him he throws. elbows that cut you right so it's like. we had to navigate those areas and. really it was good like a training Vox. for a guy like yeah he is awesome. because when he's on bottom there's like. a big contingent of Mexican MMA fighters. really dangerous guards Diego Lopez. trains there I think he's from uh manow.

originally but he trains a bunch of guys. there and just aggressive bottom game. where if you leave space they throw. elbows and if you're close they're. trying to set up high guards and. submissions so it's like we really had. to prepare for how dangerous he is there. he's one of the Front Runners in my. opinion Diego first of all how the [ __ ]. does that guy make 145 shredded yeah. he's just finishing everyone hey he's so. dangerous man you know who do you fight. fight super sadik Yousef in his last. fight he stopped him in the first round.

when before that fight I was telling. everybody I was like I think this guy's. the guy I think he's the next guy to. emerge I wonder who he's booked against. I remember his first fight was like. short notice against uh mvar yeah I. thought he won I it was very close and. mvar is undefeated and one of the best. guys in the division but Diego's scary. it's not just that he's good he's. [ __ ] scary he's intense and from. everywhere like submission submissions. Knockouts and his [ __ ] standup is. horrific yeah y just climb Mount Everest.

Jesus Christ y ear that's the most. recent thing I can find [ __ ] relax. bro he's not tough he doesn't even look. like he's [ __ ] wearing anything warm. he's out bird watching look at he's got. a [ __ ] giant pack on walking around. rucking that's a good way to develop. some cardio I'll tell you that it looks. fine but I definitely want someone else. to hold the bag hey no that's how you. get the cardio you have to carry the bag. on your back that's the whole idea you. can't looks fun what are the guys that. help you out the mountain those guys.

yeah the Sherpas yeah they but I think. he's trying to get fit I think that's. the whole idea behind it it's. interesting when a guy like that is just. uh so good at one area which is kicking. and very good off his back submission. but then struggles in a couple other. like he's almost there he's like right. there at the tippy top but not quite at. the level of the guys that are beating. him just but like remember when he lost. to Frankie came back from that and just.

become a much better fighter much better. fighter just people counted him out a. couple times and he like almost. reinvented himself like surprise people. you know that happened so often like. people counted out Max Holloway you know. Ma Hollow the last fight with vul vul. dominated and you know and Max just said. hey that was his night he had a good he. had a great night and that is a fact of. fighting too like sometimes a guy will. clip you in the first round you're kind. of not the same and he he but if he. didn't clip you maybe you would have won. like maybe you know maybe if you like.

Justin gatei Max Holloway he gets caught. with that jump spinning back kick to the. nose at the end of the first round. shattered his nose that's a big factor. big factor doesn't land that who knows. fight was a [ __ ] amazing fight still. even with that shattered nose crazy I. was watching that I was in Dubai for. karate combat and I was watching that at. the breakfast buffet with all the stuff. at the buffet at the hotel I was at. everyone all going crazy I brought the. laptop down omelets and we this the. [ __ ] craziest fight ever it was the. craziest fight ever in the last 10.

seconds when Max points to the floor a. fight that he's winning four rounds to. one crazy to just call the guy out we. got to do that in Jiu-Jitsu like give. each other a leg let's [ __ ] go 10. seconds I don't think that's the. same just both get broken well that's a. an interesting thing about like the ebi. rules how do you like those rules the. rules where when it goes to overtime you. start either on a person's back or start. from what they call spider web was just. you know pyrol like trying to get an arm. I mean I like anything creative like.

that that's going to force people to. train those different areas like but the. majority of the sport especially old. school guys don't like it it's very. difficult to get them to compete under. those roles me personally I like any. rule set I can beat a guy in so I had. phip Pen Match and the UFC Fight Pass. guys were like oh what rule set should. we do and I was like I think ebi is. pretty good you know yeah but I like I. like the rule set strategically against. particular opponents but you know like. guy like uh Kyle ban 10 Planet guy one. of the best overtime guys in the world. like if if I had a match with him I'd be.

like n we'll just do a regular Rules. match you know right so like it's it's. sort of strategy based right based on. the opponent's strengths like even Nikki. Rod against Gordon like they went to OT. MH and it was [ __ ] close you know and. it's like that is very stressful it's. exciting it's exciting but if guys get. submitted in those areas sometimes. people don't consider it real even. though it is you know they like it's. it's an overtime Victory you didn't. really submit him but you did right when. Nikki grabbed that foot yeah just.

[ __ ] ripped it day I mean how bad is. his leg [ __ ] up still you got to think. like that's doing some damage I just. think like what was hilarious about that. is like he was meant Gordon's meant to. face Vinnie marges and no disrespect of. Vinnie Vinnie's just at a latest stage. of his career right Vinnie when he was. young was a monster was incredible and. then it's like two days before they. flipped the script and you got Nikki rod. and you know what I mean and I just can. just picture him just getting his foot. broken being like what the [ __ ] am I.

right what the [ __ ] just happen you know. when I watched it I was like Jesus. Christ that is a lot of and Nikki is. such a gorilla it was loud so loud it. was like you heard the snap. e sometimes though you get popped and. it's so fast that it's the damage is. already done and you're just like well. it's already injured let's keep going. you know right but some obviously some. of the submissions are holding tension. points slowly breaking but the ones that. are quick sometimes guys don't tap cuz. it's like you didn't even have time to. process it what about the one with you.

and Vinnie where you broke his leg that. was disgusting yeah that still haunts me. hey but he yeah I don't know why how the. [ __ ] did he keep going and why did he. keep going but that's just it you got to. be careful what [ __ ] talk you say like I. try to be careful with what I say I'm. never going to be like leg locks don't. work cuz like he got put in a leg lock. in 20 seconds and his leg broken it's. like now you committed to the bit you. know like did was he saying leg locks. don't work don't work and then his just. leg exploded and I'm like that's such a. crazy thing to say leg locks don't work.

it's cuz he had had matches with Gary. and Gordon and they got some pops on him. but he hadn't submitted so I maybe they. laid the groundwork for me but it I. think it spiral fracture of his fibula. oh his God ankle yeah disturbing oh that. was where I was like bro I wouldn't let. that happen for a million I don't know. how much CH Sun's paying you but it must. be more than me I just think it's his. pride you know just didn't want to tap. the fact that he kept going after the. leg snapped that was loud that was yeah.

that was loud and the second one I saw. the bone poking into the skin like if ID. kept going it would have probably like. his whatever bone fra would have come. out yeah and I was like I was nerv I was. like bro is this guy waiting for. overtime like he just didn't want to tap. and then the ref caught it cuz his leg. was dangling I did a i the first Hill. hook and then the second one I baited. him pretended like I was going for his. other leg so he gave me the bad one. again but he was laughing cuz he was. like [ __ ] I couldn't have you bro break.

both my legs that's like multi Pyon. you oh my God so you knew it was already. broken well he so my foot hit the ground. at the exact second his leg snapped in. half so for a second like I felt a. little bit of crunching but I didn't. hear it everyone else in the room heard. it um and then he gets out of it and I. was just like wow this [ __ ] guy's. flexible hey and then he says to me goes. I think you broke my leg oh no he said.

it in the middle of the match we start. talking and I'm just like what is. happening here right how strange and I. was like well you want to keep going all. right and he gave like I ended up back. with the same leg oh God and it was just. no resistance his ankle just did a fall. it just kept going see if you can find. that Jamie that's it's horrible that was. the one that was the most disturbing. jiujitsu match I've ever watched yeah I. just I just could understand like I was. just like bro why you making me do this. yeah Vinnie please tap you're giving me. trauma I remember watching it like with.

this look on my face like don't [ __ ]. I just felt bad for him cuz he's a. [ __ ] good guy and I was just like man. did you not tap cuz you said leg locks. don't work were you like committed to it. it was quick though was a quick break. doesn't he still have a plate in there. honestly I don't know but he came back. and competed against uh Mason Fowler. like maybe four or five months later. that's crazy and it's just like you. getting mileage on the body there bro. like yeah is it worth it I mean better. than the tibia I guess the FIB I cracked.

my fibula before it's not as bad it's a. small bone you know and they can just. let it fix you know let it heal up once. they screw it together I wouldn't let it. break I like uh-uh just try yeah the. noise is bad I've I've broken a few legs. and I'm just like bro so here it is is. this before there's the first ones of. the the break's at the start of the. match so his legs already broken here if. you go to like 20 seconds yeah that. right there so we hit like a 50/50 inv.

he might want to turn that knee down and. pulled his leg out see here he's. actually in a little bit. deep oh dude yeah so look at that oh. dude you hear it oh look at his foot. look where his foot is and then he tries. to get me oh my I I let go of it cuz I. was like I do not know how got like he. can't let his leg break and then me just. out for the rubber guard I guess we got. rubber knee he's huge here too that was.

one of Craig's best positions and he got. to it with dude the sound is so awful. the sound of broken bones I've never I. never get it like Chris Weidman when he. fought Uriah Hall through that like it. was like full power and yuriah checked. it and you see snap you hear the snap. and you see his leg bend over. like that's it's like it's crazy how. people react to that [ __ ] where Conor. McGregor was still just talking [ __ ]. that's [ __ ] hilarious to me I'm just.

like he's such a psychopath never miss. him M he didn't even have the. painkilling whistle yet but he was ready. for some [ __ ] talking did you see him. partying like a night or two ago you. reckon real I mean it doesn't mean he's. drinking he's vibing he's he's with his. wife he's got his shirt off looks like. he's having a good time I mean it looked. like he wasn't sober but he could just. be a [ __ ] Maniac it's mind games. though maybe you know what I like yeah. that's what I did with LV I was kept. talking about how I was partying all the.

time and I was but I was like maybe it's. going to mess with you know what I mean. like right right so here's Connor and. he's kissing his wife he's throwing he. took his shirt off he's getting. crazy but I mean he could just be. enthusiastic I don't know it looks a. little [ __ ] up listen I still a. Roadhouse he ain't that good actor you. Shane Gillis has an amazing bit about. Road House you have to see it oh really.

it's so [ __ ] funny he's a legend I. want to get him involved in this I want. to get some comedians commentating just. shitalking the grappling world you know. oh that's funny hilarious we'd have to. get guys who know some grappling Joey. Diaz Joey Diaz would be amazing. surprised interviews on people i' be. think it'd be [ __ ] oh he would be. well he wouldn't do interviews I don't. think he wouldn't be good at that but. he'd be good at like commentary get him. in the booth get him talking [ __ ] yeah. [ __ ] names up I'll get him to Corner. me against. Gabby he might do it he might do it he.

might do it you never know I cornered. hegan in Abu Dhabi oh you did in 2003 he. didn't have anybody with him oh he said. Joe Hogan he said you take the just tell. me when the time cuz like hegan you know. had been training that much wasn't in. the best of shape just let me know what. time you I was just yelling out what the. time is yeah that's what I say sometimes. if I don't have a uh like if I'm just. like just let me know the time yeah let. me know if you think burning too much. gas or I'm too relaxed you know I'm like. that's that's the key here right right. having Joey Diaz in your corner would be.

[ __ ] hysterical Alex Jones wanted to. do it but I'm like oh I don't that's a. tough guy to get involved with a charity. yeah our foundation with my business. partner Seth our foundation's called the. fair fight foundation and I'm just like. it's probably not good to start it with. fighting a woman but it's a bold move. well it's a fair fight though she's so. big I mean she might outweigh you by. what do you walk around at 205 she got a. few pounds on me for sure at least 40. last night we were video calling each. other and we were both taking anava and. I was like I popped a 50 and she popped.

the 25 I was like you need both night to. beat me you [ __ ] you. know I took some screenshots hey I don't. know if I'll release that's. hilarious I should talk her to get the. contract signed you know you should have. Joey Diaz do commentary for that fight. that would be the perfect fight for him. to do commentary for yeah just. commentate yeah cuz Joey Jiu-Jitsu he. knows a little bit he definitely knows. positions and he talks so much [ __ ] he's. just so hilarious I'm going to take it.

serious but I am going to come out in a. white tank top smoking a cigarette. probably you know I'll put it on the. corner of the mat and see if I can. finish her before it finishes you. know wow yeah well having something like. that would definitely be an added. element of Fun Some Fun the tournament. series obviously you guys are going to. be killing each other and then a bit of. a bit of entertainment you know bit of. uh aad Battle of the Sexes I guess you. could say definitely that sort. of a battle of the enhanced.

Sexes yeah who's more enhanced though. yeah she is yeah for sure I got to know. her stack I wish what I wanted to do was. run an event where we drug tested but it. was Anonymous and just for my own. personal enjoyment I I want to see who. who took the most of anything you know. right see if there's any Hall tesed in. there or something it would be fun to. see like what cuz Jiu-Jitsu is is an. open steroid using event you have you. heard of the enhanced games oh yeah yeah. I was reading about that I'm having.

those guys on so the enhan games is this. they're going to allow all the athletes. to take performance enhancing drugs and. the idea is like we should have athletes. perform to the best way I mean I'm. putting words in their mouth but that's. scientifically possible and the best way. scientifically possible it's like like. here's a for instance like this uh Ryan. Garcia fight you know Ryan gcia he beats. uh Devon Haney spectacular fashion looks. amazing pops for austerine very low.

doses of ostarine which are not going to. affect him in terms of performance. enhancing ability during the fight. itself I don't know how he took it or. what he took it I know people have. gotten ostarine accident like sugar Shan. Ali got it through tainted supplements. they proved it it's more than once. that's happened yoel yoel yeah he sued. yo sued he won yeah which is if you. would think anybody would not be [ __ ]. natural it's that guy how does he still. look like he do insan the Cuban [ __ ].

athlete program that's how he's. grappling he's taking a grappling match. in Britain against a uh Grappler Owen. Livy so we'll see him have a grappling. match Owen's a beast that that's very. interesting who do you think takes it. that's a good question it's a very good. question I think yoel was one of the. very best Cuban wrestlers ever I mean. he's a [ __ ] tank yeah s well Silva. medal at the Olympics at sa have beat. him right yeah yeah I mean he's a. monster man and and physically he's just.

such an imposing Force like Luke rockold. said that it h and Whit uh Robert. Whitaker said the same thing he said it. hurts when you hit him it's like he's. made out of metal probably hurts when he. kisses you as well after he knocks you. out yeah that was rough that's a rough. way to go that was well you know Luke. likes to talk [ __ ] and you talk [ __ ] to. that guy I love. you I he did the salsa dancing for the. press conference that was the best too. picking women out of the crowd he you. would want to take your misses you'd be. like [ __ ] sit back down I know. exactly that guy's such a [ __ ] animal.

he mean I really wish he' gotten into. MMA earlier in his career it would have. been amazing to see because I think when. he entered the UFC he was in his late. 30s yeah how he's he's like 46 he's 46. now that's crazy he still looks amazing. that's Randy coua yeah but like he. doesn't look 46 like Randy looked like a. strong 46y old I need that Cuban stack. yeah what his stack is I mean I've told. this story before for people that have. heard it I'm sorry but one of the things. that happened to yoel when he got uh. injured he fought in the UFC and then.

they brought him to a doctor he had an. orbital fracture and some other issues. they brought him to the doctor and the. doctor said to the UFC said where did. you get this guy and they and he's like. yeah he's amazing right he goes no you. don't understand he goes I've never seen. a human being like this before the. tendons in his eyes are three times. larger than a normal person's he said. his orbital bone is is already healing. so this guy's a freak how how do I get. to that level I think you got to be born.

in Cuba they gentics they start messing. around those shitty convict gen genetics. from. Australia I think it's I just wonder. what they do in Cuba for the athletes do. you know what I'm saying I mean without. casting any aspersions in terms of. performance enhancing supplements. there's only one way to find out yeah go. there ask them I don't know you know I. don't know what they did but I mean the. guy's like Wolverine but he's also a. genetic specimen I me there's only so. much you could do with steroids I mean.

that guy I know I've tried you don't. even lift weights which is so crazy. you're taking steroids without lifting. weights I mean from time to time you. know just no good lifting program a few. Pull-Ups here and there yeah but that. does not I don't think steroids are. going to well they're going to help you. recover and. train yeah they definitely help your uh. well-being I think yeah well if you're. training 300 65 that's the argument. right if you're training 365 days a year. like that's also the argument for like. tour to France you know I've heard it.

argued from people that really are. experts that you're actually healthier. to take steroids and. performance-enhancing drugs to do tour. to friend than you are without it. because your body just can't recover. without it it's just so grueling it's. such a brutal race there's a reason why. so many of them are blood doping so many. of them are taking EPO and testosterone. I always wanted to try EPO actually like. uh some people criticize me for put. saying I take steroids in Jiu-Jitsu but. my like the way I look at it is the kids. the Next Generation they're going to.

take it anyway I at least want to put. out I put out my exact stack and I just. want to send it out as almost a like a. it's like drugs just say no doesn't work. it's like I want to let them know I'm. taking a safe amount of the doctor's. guidance and that it's not a mystery. where they're thinking like I have to. take pump one gram a week and all this. stuff to compete at a high level so it's. like a middle ground obviously you get. criticized for it but it's like the. other option is they don't know what a. high level athletes taking and they. [ __ ] ruin their body taking crazy. dosages well it would be interesting. like what would Jiu-Jitsu look like if.

steroids weren't legal I mean one of the. things we found out when usada came into. the UFC even though there was previous. drug testing it was really only during. the weigh-ins which is kind of just an. intelligence test that's all it is like. when you look at alist overing versus. Brock Lesnar the idea that either one of. those [ __ ] is clean is crazy. talk that's crazy talk especially alist. I mean aler was he fought when he fought. 205 when he fought look at back like. back when he fought Chuck Liddell at 205.

and then look at him at 265 he gained 60. pounds and he looks like a [ __ ]. superhero Uber like those days like when. he won the K1 Grand Prix and when he. when he beat Bahari and stuff oh my God. I love it when they said the old eyes. was was an intelligence test cuz many. guys still failed that intelligence test. well you know what it is you know how it. is like you're in gyms you have gym Bros. that are coaching you they don't really. know what the [ __ ] they're talking about. but they say a lot of good big words and. you go oh this guy knows how to pass a.

test and you rely on these Meat Heads to. try to pass the test you need a Victor. Con on the line hey well there's people. that have those people I'm sure there's. PE I'm just guessing just throwing it. out there but I don't think everyone's. clean I think there's probably some. really suff there's so much money. involved in MMA now there's probably. some really sophisticated scientists. that are working with Elite athletes and. they're developing protocols that are. either undetectable or they have a. shortl lasting uh like which is probably.

why you saw wakes you up at six o'clock. in the morning you know the idea is like. to catch you while it's still in your. system if you have short acting stuff. that yeah like a test propionate or. something like the. waterbased yeah like um weren't they. doing that in baseball they were taking. like testosterone gummies and the idea. is that they they metabolize so quickly. you get the effect them but then they're. out of your system by the time you get. tested I tried those tasted like [ __ ]. you know but I don't know if they didn't.

anything but I mean it's [ __ ] gummy. with testosterone in it how could it. taste good throw it under the tongue. what does it taste like just bad hey. like chemical yeah like it sits there a. while I remember I was trying to get uh. legal steroids in Australia when I was. coming up and I just couldn't do it they. just my doctor gave me the testosterone. gummies I was like [ __ ] this [ __ ] it's. like I felt like it wouldn't work in. Australia where what are the law like I. mean here any I think any GP can. prescribe testosterone in Australia you. have to be like an endocrinologist they.

they added a layer to it and there it's. hard to to see an endocrinologist that's. going to give testosterone to a young. healthy dude you know right guys back. there would do all sorts of crazy [ __ ]. like they not sleep for a couple days. they beat off a bunch of times try and. crash the levels go get the blood check. doctor's like oh your test is low yeah. well another thing the problem with the. test being low this is what they found. with um when they did it they had. testosterone use exemptions in the UFC. for a brief amount of time few years and. those are the vtor BART years you know.

and the problem is when a guy's done. steroids his whole life his endocrine. system is [ __ ] up already so you go in. there and they test your testosterone. level and you're like wow your levels. are super low like you need testosterone. like thank you but the reason why. they're low is because you've been on. steroids your whole life yeah your buddy. doesn't uh doesn't make it anymore yeah. I mean you went you look at vtor from. the early days like vtor and UFC 12 when. he fought fought uh Scott froo and Trey. telman he weighed like 200 lb you know.

they used to call inv Vito Gracie back. then or something Victor Victor Gracie I. was training at school why' they throw. the c in there I don't know it was K it. was K Victor yeah it was I don't know I. don't understand it I don't know why. they did that and I know that I think. they were threatening to sue him if he. used the Gracie name I think uh. protective of that [ __ ] hey yes I think. it was orian Horan was very. representing representing the yeah. where'd you get that uh some brand sent. it to me I like it though way [ __ ] dope. shirt I should remember the name he was.

the [ __ ] man huh what's its name The. Shirt Company I feel bad for him H [ __ ]. can people find it is it on the back. anywhere a label I don't say anything I. just see a tag labelist what does it say. on the bottom of it there is that the. name what do we got what do the bottom. say there oh it just says hickon. gra oh man I feel bad for him but cool. Shir honoring the OG It's pretty dope he. is the OG he was the [ __ ] man cool.

[ __ ] yeah did you ever train. with him I've never trained with him. never met him. really interesting dude man very. interesting dude I got a chance to watch. um uh Coliseum remember when he fought. faki was that his last one yes yeah I. got a chance to watch uh footage of that. with him in his house oh the one with. the guy to the gym right was it the gym. challenge no I didn't watch that he. didn't show me that someone's got to. have that he's got it he's got we got to. get that I know I'm like release that.

bro why don't you release that that was. Yoji Anjo right yeah yeah he came to. challenge match style he just beat the. he taped up his knuckles with duct tape. and beat the [ __ ] out of him and he go. yeah and he's like if we are competing. when you tap it's over if we. fighting when I'm done I'm done I decide. he just beat the [ __ ] out of that that. dude that's some scary [ __ ] I feel sad. for him now he's got Parkinson's right. who does I believe Hixon does does he. really I believe so yeah no kidding I.

didn't hear that yeah I I saw K Kira. Gracie announced something about it see. I always wonder because we talked about. Freddy roach like that's that's uh. trauma induced Parkinson's and you know. Hixon didn't get hit a whole lot in his. career but he he did get hit you know I. always. wonder yeah Hixon Grace you fight. against Parker say I'm not scared of. death but quitting is unacceptable. Rolling Stone magazine whoa this is. rolling stone that's.

crazy that is crazy that there's a Hicks. and Gracie article in Rolling Stone. that's. amazing wow [ __ ] man Parkinson's I hope. we get uh konb back I hope so too think. he might come back to grappling maybe. well I mean his last fight in MMA it. just looked like he was just trying to. pull guard and work off his back and. it's just he just didn't look like he. was prepared I don't know what place he.

could do that no yeah do you think he. would be willing to I mean he was such. an elite Grappler the Gary tonin match. what a [ __ ] match that was holy [ __ ]. man craziest [ __ ] ever that was before. Gary was training with uh the Don of her. death squad right wasn't it either I. mean good question we have to if we saw. the match we'd see who was in the corner. because this was definitely before the. leg lock days yeah this was uh this was. a long time Gary was dominating that. fight until the very end back in those.

days was crazy I still miss Eddie. Cummings I'm like what happened to him. you know what I mean right what did. happen to him that guy was good I've. tried to catch up with him a couple. times in New York like reached out I. just even want to have lunch with the. guy I'm like but he's like he just left. the grappling world just vanished what. is he doing no I don't think anyone. knows he came back I saw you in a couple. videos he came back to henzo and trained. a couple times but I think he doesn't. like any meteor attention and like it. suckled around on Instagram and he just. vanished again really no kidding so. crazy at gone he was an interesting guy.

oh he was an elite Grappler too well he. was one of the very best of the leglock. guys in the early early days he was. scary we all copied him you know he was. scary scary dude super smart like really. intelligent guy and now yeah he he ended. up with atavia bodain right mm yeah they. started dating when she started training. at uh at henzo and I don't know what. happened she compet I think she competed. in grappling a lot as well yeah she had. [ __ ] up knees man her knees were all. blown out I remember trying to tell her.

to get surgery to fix him up Eddie kept. breaking him probably not I don't know. but drill I think she had at least one. with with no ACL where that's that's. crazy yeah doesn't Nikki have a [ __ ]. up knee Niki Ryan Nicki Ryan does man. Nicki Ryan gets injured every three. minutes you know what I mean like he's. made of glass unfortunately I injured. him I came back train with him one round. injured him the other day I'm just like. [ __ ] bro how does just happened I feel. bad that's a bit of a a weird scramble. but he just beat JT tus so like biggest. win of his uh that was a big win yeah he.

looked great in that that was beautiful. yeah he he was training real serious for. that but doesn't he have like one ACL. that's gone yeah yeah I remember he tore. his ACL and the doctors were like okay. we can attempt surgery or you can do. rehab only so he just did nothing and. just kept training he didn't even rehab. the thing I'm like bro do something yeah. he's wild that's not wise for the future. though not at all I mean I think he had. 95% of his miniscus removed in one of. his legs oh God damn it yeah I'm pretty.

sure one surgeon was like uh I I won't. do that you're too young for it but he. you got it done well you know they do. miniscus Replacements oh they do that. yes they do cadaver miniscus. Replacements especially with young. people it's really effective he he would. need that he's got some mileage on the. body so it's like his knees God I hope. he does it cuz he can do it and it'll. actually take we got him in this though. he's going after the million that'll be. exciting with a [ __ ] up knee there's. always something [ __ ] up with him you. know like he's always injured in some.

way well isn't that the case just like. with so many Elite Combat Sports. athletes it's very rare other than. boxers it's very rare there's a story. going around about this NBA player who. got a meniscus from a donor does that. mean it's a kadaver or because they. don't say kadaver at all on this no. that's what they mean they mean a donor. yeah no one's going to give you their. [ __ ] for the it's a it's a cab donor. and like I said it is it's effective. it's possible for I I think there's an. age where they don't recommended anymore.

because of the lack of uh blood. circulation but I always wonder um for. who though like when they say you know. you can't do it after. 40 but but for who like for the regular. person who is a 40-year-old who doesn't. work out and is not like physically fit. or if you did that to say someone like. step B miotic like could he get a. miniscus replacement when he's you know. constantly training and uh but how much. does your age affect blood flow to that.

area like what is the factor it doesn't. make sense if like if you still have. like a great V2 Max you're still very. fit and you're you're super healthy you. train all the time you obviously have. great circulation like I don't. understand why at a certain age they. wouldn't recommend it I wonder if it's. based on averages like you take the Aver. average 50-year-old guy and you give it. to him and his knee's still [ __ ] up. because his body didn't heal properly. but like with peptides with all the.

things that are available today and stem. cells I wonder yeah there's got to be. some things you can do to stack the deck. in your favor for that for sure once you. remove your meniscus I have a meniscus. uh was scoped in my left knee and it's. always going to be [ __ ] up there's. always like something yeah it's just. grinding right well it's it's not all of. mine is gone it's only in a corner but. uh I I suffered a um what's called a. insufficiency fracture where you're uh. because there's no meniscus I I crash.

skiing and I cracked my bones together. so hard that it cracked the top of my. shin bone skiing scares. meing that that was my last time skiing. I got a concussion I I [ __ ] bang my. head off the ground real hard and there. I was skiing around this corner and this. light this lady didn't know what she was. doing and she was like that' be me and. it was well you know you learn but she. was on you know a fairly difficult Trail. and I'm not a great skier but you know I.

have good balance I'm pretty I'm okay I. know how to do it but I was like either. I hit this lady and [ __ ] kill her or. I have to fall down and so I chose. falling down and I [ __ ] bang my head. so hard like as my head banged I'm like. oh that one counts I was like that's hit. her right no it would have been bad it. have been bad cuz she wasn't very large. and I was Gabby I wasn't going slow I. want to see her on this yeah bro that's.

like a bowling ball just [ __ ] flying. down the hill I mean all that weight the. momentum of all that weight I I imagine. when you're really big like my kids ski. and they're they ski so easy cuz they're. light you like we we but the heavier you. are like the more [ __ ] momentum is. coming down lots of knee injuries. skiing yeah my friend Shane Dorian he. blew his [ __ ] knee out snowboarding. he hit a tree torch torched his knee had. to get it reconstructed and stem cells.

and all that jazz and he's good to go. now but took a long time before it was. good and I would imagine you're a. professional you're a professional. Surfer one of the best in the world big. wave surfer I mean he's a [ __ ]. monster like I would do everything to. preserve my goddamn knees but he loves. snowboarding so much he's still back at. it like you're insane man yeah that's. crazy that's crazy you'd risk your care. your career well I think he's kind of. his career as a as competition is kind. of over you know he's just kind of a. representative of a bunch of different.

brands and I I don't know if he competes. I mean Kelly Slater still competes which. is crazy and still wins Kelly he still. trains yeah right still train jitu yeah. yeah I suppose that's risky for your. self career too oh yeah that's got to be. risky it's got to be risky for. everything like I know guys who uh play. musical instruments and they [ __ ] up. their hands and Jiu-Jitsu like broken a. finger I'm like yikes to artist surgeons. it's like maybe don't train yeah I mean. if you break a hand and that's the hand. you play guitar with and now you got.

these [ __ ] gnarly ass fingers and. you're you're still trying to move at. the same speed yeah I hurt some my. fingers one time I got my thumb stuck up. here and grappling and another time my. finger got stuck on the ground and went. straight up I remember that was in. Puerto Rico Oliver Taza broke my hand. and I went to the uh Hospital in Puerto. Rico we got the X-ray I'm waiting around. for hours and the guy's like ah it's. fine no breaks nothing so I leave and. then I'm like my hand's [ __ ] up so I. go back and end up getting the X-ray and.

I can see it's broken and I ended up. getting it treated I just posted on. Instagram I was like any hand surgeons. what can I do for this and we just uh. spoke about on Instagram what did he say. to do I just left it like this for a. while didn't really didn't use it too. much so was it a fracture in a sense. where they didn't have to bolt it. together they didn't have to bolt it's. the same one when people punch a wool or. something oh okay like the the B down. here so that one didn't need anything. but I mean I just I was a lot of Puerto. Rican stories like that where guy was. like yeah your hand's not broken I'm.

like bro I can see it's broken not so. good medicine over there no not at all. yeah no that was a that was a wild place. not good for getting any btics for staff. either no yeah so I mean I've had plenty. of times where I've gone to the doctor. and be like this is staff I need. antibiotics but they they don't want to. be told like by some [ __ ] idiot that. they're like diagnosing themselves. giving themselves the treatment and. resist the diag resist it on your really. I bet doctor not give me antibiotics and. then it's going worse and tell you it's. not St they're like nah you're fine just.

put some cream on it boy oh boy yeah. that's but I get it they probably have. guys comeing all the time they're like. [ __ ] give me this give me this right but. no one's coming in to get antibiotics. for fun yeah I mean it's not like. painkillers no yeah it's I guess I. control them a bit but yeah imagine so. many doctors have to deal with like. people coming in oh it hurt my back yeah. my bad give me some. zis I'm have so much anxiety I can't. deal with this they just want you freak. out enough in the office mayble they.

give you something just to calm you down. that's a good that's a good play really. depends on the doctor CU some doctors. are just a little loose with it yeah. true I feel like uh honestly the more. expensive the doctor the better the. better your chances oh yeah getting what. you want oh yeah I would imagine they. probably have some sort of [ __ ] deal. too like you know uh my wife's mom was a. nurse and would explain to me how the. whole pharmaceutical rep thing worked. and Brigham Brigham from Wast well he he. used to be a pharmaceutical rep he like. bro like the relationship they have with.

doctors is like it's so slippery get. them to prescribe yeah it's so slippery. because uh you know even if they're not. paying you and they do pay people but. even if they're not like this is your. friend they show up a Brigham was like I. would show up with their kids softball. games I knew everybody's name they. become friendly they want to prescribe. your drugs you're a good guy that's wild. yeah it's [ __ ] creepy but like that's. the opid epidemic and stuff like that.

right oh that's exactly it did you ever. watch that show painkiller on Netflix I. started but I never finished it [ __ ]. lazy oh it's so [ __ ] up how those. people are not in jail is insane not. only did they [ __ ] people and get. people to prescribe these things but. they they ruined who knows how many. lives hundreds of thousands of people if. not Millions dead from op opioid. overdoses and then the amount of lives. that are destroyed because of those.

things families wrecked everything and. they tricked people they tricked them. into doing drugs that are going to be. they just paid a fine right massive fine. that's what yeah but not enough it's. also they they part of the fine was that. they were going to avoid prosecution. like if they paid you know X amount of. billions of dollars they would avoid. prosecution but I think then painkiller. came out the documentary came out the. Netflix series and then they kind of.

withheld that and I think one of the. guys who was the main guy for the FDA. that was responsible for green lighting. um oxycoton and Oxycodone that guy they. found him he was at like a in a small. town in New Hampshire he's hiding away. he was hiding and yeah I mean they paid. him off and this [ __ ] was out there. roaming around then they found him and. he's like harassing Epstein's girlfriend. hey except she's in jail somewhere yeah. they got her eventually yeah eventually.

she's going to get out and she's GNA. [ __ ] go swimming and drown or. something yeah Cherry Cherry I mean. that'll be me off to this tournament AR. he do you worry about that I mean it. should be all. right that's not comforting should be. all right yeah I mean is this a bit a. friendly. competition it is that but it's all also. like you you're specifically going. head-to-head like if you had done it a. month earlier or a month later I don't. think we'd have the same issues I don't.

think we'd have the same impact on the. sport though either would I think you. would we'll do it we'll do it a month. after as. well well well cool I'm my buddy we need. another million brother let's we're. going again well you want to do it once. a year right you don't want to do it. more than once a year yeah honestly I'm. on the phone nonstop he talking to. people about this event and stuff could. explain every on the rule set like and. becoming a promoe I mean do you have to. hire a staff now do you have to hire all. these people to run the thing I mean I'm. the ideas guy you know my business plan. is Seth bow I'm like he's doing all the.

coordination and stuff but me I'm just. talking to the athletes coming up with. the rules sort of so he does all the. coordination like hiring the staff. making sure the the event is well run. cuz I would imagine if you've never run. an event before like that's obviously. you can't call Abu Dhabi and ask for. tips. you you call Eddie I should you call. Bravo I spoke Daddy he loves it that's. like a he's very excited about it little. hat tip to him with the name as well. yeah I think the having something where.

there's more money involved is always. good it's just like the timing of it. it's like when to do it I just if if. you'd ask me. out they still get to watch the finals. you know well yeah true they still got. to watch the finals they get to watch. the finals but you won't have the same. people competing because if they're. going to compete on Friday and Saturday. that precludes them from being able to. compete in Abu Dhabi. I mean yeah for sure do you want the. gold Meow in 10k or the million though. that's right that's the argument that is. the argument right and it's it's.

certainly look competition is almost. always good it even when people don't. like it it it forces them to up their. game and I think at the end of the day. it's going to be good for the athletes. and good for the sport because it'll. make people more and the beef the beef. will you know two pack biggie I'm going. down in Vegas like two pack did remember. how both of those guys died though by. the way they died very badly both Tupac. and Biggie like it would have been. better if Tupac and Biggie just kind of. worked it out like I mean even like.

Drake and Kendrick that was entertaining. hey but Drake's house got shot at you. know like someone didn't a security. guard get shot I think he got shot yeah. yeah and then but we got some good music. sort I didn't list security guy took the. hit oh I mean uh yeah yeah some some of. the songs are good I just find it. foolish the beef mm I'm not a beef guy I. I feel like those guys could have wrote. banging songs they both put out four. songs each you know it's like use that.

creativity and just yeah I guess if. you're D driven I mean I get it I get it. it's part of the culture I get it don't. get me wrong like I like uh roast. battles love them yeah love them do. comedy pay-per-view or something that. would have been amazing that would have. that would have been amazing yeah rap. battles are awesome it's just you know. it's another opportunity to write it's. another opportunity to create something. and it's high pressure yeah so in that.

sense this rivalry between ADCC and uh. the cji you know just one Australian. idiot ver a city you know we'll see what. happens yeah versus a monarchy a. monarchy yeah but I mean I still love. atcc love the history you know I think. you was that away it's amazing yeah um. do think you could ever compete for them. again or you think that's over now I. mean I I wouldn't do over. 10K I don't know I mean who knows the.

doors the door's open for anything I. don't take any of this stuff too. seriously at all you know what I mean a. lot of it's just fun on the internet. like I don't really you know like. [ __ ] around having a good time you. know like uh I'll do anything for the. right price so it's like if the. spectacle is there if people are. interested in it right so you would go. back if they would have you back for. sure and ultimately what I want and what. I wanted from day one was just athletes. across everything inj to be compensated. just a little bit more mhm you know cuz. again we don't have the prestige of so.

they ramped it up from 10 to 20 would. have done this wouldn't have done this. really wow boy they're probably going. [ __ ] should just yeah I that's that's. really what sort of kicked it off but. also I wanted to do like this is. opportunity to start up our nonprofit. and stuff so it's like gives me. opportunity to get back in other. otherwise so with your this attitude. about not taking things so seriously do. do you think you and Gordon would ever. bury the hatchet I mean for sure but. take some MDMA we'll get to the bottom. of it you. know I think he needs it you know what I.

mean don't you think though that for a. guy to be as dominant as he is you have. to be that guy that's like Michael. Jordan in his prime they said if you you. beat him in a game of pool he wouldn't. talk to you for like two weeks just you. have to be kind of a psycho I know but. you see I I guess you see the contrast. in some areas like uh in my opinion. volkanovski was that GSP was that but. really nice guys yeah Anderson Silva was. that like again I don't think Gordon's. uh I mean it's it's hard to say what he.

is you know it's it's like it's hard I. don't know I'm that well you know I know. what the image he puts out I know a. little bit of the stuff behind the. scenes but but you trained with them for. years you got to know them yeah know but. you know what you just guys are like. like I can get on the mask I don't want. to hang out with them after us [ __ ]. weirdos who wants to have a conversation. with the Jiu guy me that's why you're. here well some of them some of. them [ __ ] some of them are a bit odd. you know you don't you think that like.

no I love him I'm part of it but odd. people would make the world go around. though oh yeah I mean for sure I'm not. criticizing I'm [ __ ] weird look at. I'm doing you're weird yeah you're. definitely weird but some people I find. cool easy to talk to relaxing I know. it's just for me as a guy who likes both. of you guys I don't like that you don't. talk anymore I don't like that you have. this beef and I've asked Gordon to. Define it he can't he does doesn't. Define it it's very difficult he doesn't. say anything bad about you but he. doesn't Define it I mean I just love.

[ __ ] around like Australia we love. attacking each other like I say worse. things to my friends and I say to Gordon. you know what I mean listen I'm a. comedian I know about that so it's like. I just see we talk wild [ __ ] to each. other too some guys are so good to. provoke you get a good [ __ ] reaction. out of them you know well with comedians. you know who you can hang out with by. who can take [ __ ] you know because like. if someone makes fun of me if it's funny. I laugh but if you make fun of some. people and they're like hey they're like. oh look at you s lost you just lost oh. you [ __ ] up you [ __ ] up you take.

yourself seriously got to roll the. punches you should take what you do. seriously but you never take yourself. seriously that's so silly there's no. benefit to that cuz then you don't get. to enjoy the laughs when someone makes. fun of you someone makes fun of you and. it's really like if youever watch kill. Tony yeah yeah well when David Lucas and. Tony henchcliffe go out each other it is. one of my favorite things in life. there's they're both so [ __ ] ruthless. and hilarious but if David Gets Tony. Tony laughs hard and if Tony gets David. David laughs hard they laugh they love.

each other they're really good friends. but they're [ __ ] ruthless when it. comes to that [ __ ] when they're roasting. each other but they're having a good. time like if you roast someone and they. get like actually upset as a comedian. all the other comedians would be like oh. look at you you're upset at a joke you. [ __ ] hypocrite like what's what's. wrong with you well I mean that's what I. mean Gordon Gordon says bro you suck you. never want anything I'm like bro I could. have told you that you know like it's. like. relax is that like that's the what is.

the beef though like it doesn't make. sense I mean for me I'm just having a. good time like it's like I'm in a sport. of people that take themselves very. seriously right and it's just he takes. himself very seriously so it's just like. I so you like picking on him I like yeah. anyone you know what I mean like uh I. mean like what you say with comedians. you know if someone's to you get a. it sometimes you know yeah and it's good. material he's like uh he's just walking. good material you know it's like he's. provoking me know what I mean well he.

just post something that I'm like I. swear I'm like this guy's playing a. [ __ ] character he's a genius but it's. real know like he's baiting me I gotta. say. something well you are probably the. funniest guy in Jiu-Jitsu other than. Eddie Eddie's hilarious Eddie loves the. jokes too he gets sometimes I pass on. him some deeper levels of the jokes and. he gets the full story loves it we go. deep conspiracy on the Jiu-Jitsu jokes. oh no Eddie's Eddie's [ __ ] hilarious. he's one of the funniest people I've. ever met I'm so glad he's doing standup.

again too because I tried to talk him. into doing standup a long time ago like. back in like 2001 I was like dude I'm. telling you just try it'll suck at first. but just like it sucked when I learned. jiujitsu you suck at first but you have. the ability to do it overcome yeah and. he took a long time off it but when he. was teaching he would teach classes and. and especially seminars he would have. like material oh yeah they would do. during seminars it was hilarious and. then he's like I think I'm going to do. comedy again so teaching. seminars stand I'll say the same joke.

and then I'll look over and I be like. [ __ ] that guy was at another seminar I. said the same thing I'm like he knows he. knows my tricks yeah that's the problem. with jokes yeah if they already know the. jokes it's like a a little bit of an. issue and I'm like [ __ ] have I said this. a few too many times now yeah switch. topics yeah you got to make new stuff up. you got to make up new new stuff for. seminars when you go and do seminars do. you find it it's uh a lot is it a lot of. MMA fighters that are wanting to learn. Jiu-Jitsu is it just Jiu-Jitsu guys is. it a mixture I mean nowadays like man.

it's like such a variety of people like. sometimes even beginners like white. belts will show up and it's like they're. just hang they're just coming to hang. out you know like I love doing seminars. all around the world and just meeting. the people that are doing the sport you. know and like I I keep them at a really. affordable price cuz I always remember. when people would come to my city like. sometimes the seminars were so expensive. like couldn't afford it so I just insist. we book a big venue we keep the prices. low and I just get to see who from that. country is participating in the sport. you know I just love it is that you.

enjoy that more than competing now just. going around and doing seminars I enjoy. like like all aspects of it you know. like obviously too many seminars. exhausting I've done like back to back. to back to back I like the seminar to be. three hours and then out of there. otherwise it's uh too much social. interaction you know you probably also. don't absorb anything after three hours. it's like and I have to roll like I. still run the gaet I let I try to roll. as many people as possible that's they. [ __ ] try to kill me bro you paid to.

come here you like me what are you doing. to me yeah relax like I'll be hung over. jet lagged and it'll be like I'll be do. I'll do like sometimes one hour one and. a half hours straight new gu every 3. minutes oh God and I'm like what are you. doing to me bro it's [ __ ] 1 hour in. you're trying to kill me yeah after a. while test your patience that's like. meditating you know I'm just like all. right don't kill this guy don't kill. that's one of the legendary Hixon. stories that Hixon would do a semi and. then take all the black belts there and. just tap them one after another I try to. do [ __ ] up [ __ ] to people though you. know like what just just stupid.

submissions you know that keeps it. entertaining for me crab Walks Like the. Boston crab crab I love hitting a Boston. crab a I'm like you remember that. forever you see that one guy who did it. in MMA yeah he is yeah so crazy man that. would hurt I've never been put in it but. yeah I would what is is it a flexibility. thing is it a spine thing I think it'll. break your. spawn yeah I do it to people from Mount. though I give a mount and then I put my. toes in the armpits take them over the. top bust them crabber that's that's some. fun at the seminar is just hitting.

[ __ ] up [ __ ] on people in front of. their friends I think that's the most. enjoyable. thing yeah here's the dude who did it in. MMA how did he set it up Jesus he just. climbed over the top and got his legs. the other guy looks like he's fighting. for his life but nothing's happening. well the other guy looks a little out of. shape too he's just a little nuggies to. the face it's like like he's already. ready for it it almost looks fake E I. don't think it's fake I think it's just. a lowlevel MMA. show wow that's crazy [ __ ] that guy.

would never hear the end of that day I. remember a guy used to train with uh he. actually spons me and he had an MMA. fight and he tapped he won for three. rounds and a minute to go I think 30. seconds too he crossed his leg from back. and the guy and I [ __ ] remind him of. it to this day it's been years that is a. crazy submission that hurts you know it. hurts like hell but you got to imagine. like if you're winning the. fight I've I don't think I've ever seen. an MMA fight where someone tapped to.

that I'll s but guys do it guys do it. even Hixon did it when Hixon submitted. funaki he's crossed his legs he guess he. just rather have the squeeze and if the. guy threatens it he'll let it go yeah. sometimes I think it's about being. relaxed it's like if you're doing this. they can catch it really tight but if. your ankles are relaxed sometimes they. slip off the top right I think relaxing. in those positions sometimes helps well. also being hyper aware of when the guy. lifts his leg up to try to lock it but. yeah I've had it done to me before it's.

[ __ ] horrible people try to do that. to me at seminars like that try and play. around and then catch me with some [ __ ]. I'm just like [ __ ] relax gu [ __ ]. yeah you have to always be aware right. because you're dealing with people. trying to get a reputation try to break. my legs everything have you ever tapped. at seminars yeah I tapped but I'll give. them a couple more so they don't believe. it you know their friends believe they. get me once but not three times you know. what do you mean like if a blue belt. Taps me to a seminar one time maybe. people believe so you let them tap you a. couple times give a couple more you know. oh so you throw in a few fake that [ __ ].

the story for. him I tapped Craig Jones three times. yeah once maybe and they're like wait a. minute I tapped you how the [ __ ] you. tapping Craig Jones that's doesn't even. make sense take the story away from him. what have you ever tapped to at a. seminar actually I had a seminar at. Keenan's gym and a guy got me in a north. south but I tap at seminars from time to. time cuz I [ __ ] around I'll give him out. give him my back maamba and then I'm. always like guys I'm going to give you. positions but like [ __ ] if you get it. I'll tap like yeah. relax yeah I got [ __ ] to do later don't.

ruin my neck yeah they try yeah some. guys try to kill you necks are a bad one. too man when you get a hurt. neck like when guys get like alamain got. his disc replaced in his neck and I was. like oh and your neck is gone like. that's a [ __ ] creepy one that's crazy. yeah I think I just retire at that point. you know Chris weyman got his dick dis. disc replaced oops sorry Chris I think. he got his disc replaced as well I think. you get the same thing and um there's a. few guys who have had disc replaced in.

their back and in their neck you know. they can do that titanium articulating. disc now like where it allows your neck. to move pretty normally but you know. like how long does that last I just tap. to everything and not put in much effort. and I feel like keeps my body safe you. know what I mean like if I'm if I'm. training and the guy's going hard I'm. like all right you got it bro like yeah. I'm like let's just that's smart but. that's an ego thing you have a healthy. ego I'm just like who cares you know. like it's like yeah what's the point you.

know well it's definitely better than. going out like you know Vinnie Vinnie. magal with letting your [ __ ] leg get. destroyed like that if you can just. relax like that and allow yourself to. get tapped you will save so many. injuries I control the security footage. in the cameraman though so you know like. I'll make the footage disappear if he. gets me oh in your gym yeah that's where. is get delete that bro that's the. problem right guys want to release. footage I want to sell it hey like if. people come to the gym I'm like bro I'll. let you tap me give you the footage give. you some money yeah you can take it home.

well uh listen Craig uh good luck on. this I really hope it works out I hope. uh ADCC isn't too pissed at you and uh. and I hope you you've started a trend. and I hope this is going to look at that. the BS I hope it uh 80 Days 20 hours 58. minutes and 47 seconds until it starts. from right now that's not reassuring. that's close yeah yeah it is 80 days is. not a long amount of time but uh I hope. it works out and I really hope that it.

it it elevates the sport and the very. least it's getting some eyeballs. eyeballs on the sport new eyeballs for. sure yeah thanks for letting me uh talk. about it my pleasure so tell everybody. how to find you on Instagram and how to. find uh the website for the event oh. yeah Craig Jones bj.com we sell tickets. to this sorry Craig Jones BJJ for. Instagram unlv.com is where tickets will. be up on the. 31st um so at the Thomas and Mac website. Thomas and Mac website and then Fair. fire Foundation is the is the website.

with all the information that's what we. saw there and cji official is the. Instagram page where it's meant to be. professional but it's going to be mostly. memes mostly memes mostly memes and. jokes and we had a spelling on the. poster we left it you know I was like. [ __ ] we [ __ ] up we'll commit to it all. right beautiful all right man well good. luck and uh make sure you count all that. before leave yeah something's gone lot. of money all right thank you bye. everybody. [Music]. [Applause].

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