JRE MMA Show #156 with Royce Gracie

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day up what's happening my friend great. to see you life is good in my world yeah. life is good in your world it's uh it's. always good to see you man but it's uh. you know I know you're you and I know. you know you you just you're justo.

Gracie you're you're the the you just. you're who you are but for most human. beings you are one of the most unusual. people that's ever lived the original. Ultimate Fighter the number one the guy. the reason why this whole thing is so. big you're the [ __ ] man it's because. of my father I'm a product of his work. for sure for sure but for most people. our introduction to Brazilian jiu-jitsu. was you in UFC 1 you know we didn't you. know I grew up in martial arts but we.

didn't know about Brazilian jiu-jitsu. until UFC won in. 1993 yeah it's a that one hon had a. vision so back then we used to teach in. the. garage private classes one student at. the time and uh Hardon had the vision. how can we spread out throughout the. world is once America find out we got to. put on TV once America find out the. whole world will find out the world.

found out so quick I have never seen a. martial arts spread through the country. like Brazilian jiu-jitsu did in the. 1990s a lot of people thought The Graces. are arrogant they were trying to put. down the other martial arts but it was. not it was like a it was like a put up. or shut up yeah karate against Kung Fu. everybody claims that their sty is the. best there's only one way to find out. and and we're willing to to try to find.

out we're not saying that we're the best. we're just like hey you say you're the. best I'm say the I'm the best there's. only one way to find out well the thing. is you guys had already tried it in in. Dojo you had already gone to gyms You'. already had challenge matches you know. Gracie in action videos were an eye. openening video for a lot of martial. artists because they saw these karate. guys who are you know the guys who. thought they were these bad ass Fighters. and they just got taken down and. strangle taken down as strangle taken. down an armbar but again that was in.

Brazil a lot of that happened in Brazil. when we came to America it was a. different level it was okay this guy's. the world champion in karate the number. one boxer the number one kickboxer well. let's see if our stuff work against. them and and they're bigger too when you. grew up with this you I mean you started. Jiu-Jitsu when you were very very young. so when you grew up with this when was. the first time you saw one of those. challenge matches.

it was hick on fighting Zulu oh wow I. was so I was young I couldn't get into. the stadium so I watch through a crack. on the door it's like outside the stage. because you had there was a there was a. age to be in there I think was like 16. and I was like 15 I think when he fought. or 14 when he fought so H got in because. he did a demonstration I guess before. but I had to stay outside and I was. looking through the crack could barely. see it and wow yeah.

oh sorry even before that there's a. black and white video of horon hson. horish and some of the students fighting. against karate guys on the. tile and that's when that I was there I. was present on that day but I always. heard. stories of the family fighting and yeah. we got to fight on the F this guy on the. beach and with the guy show up at the. school and we had to fight and all grew. up listening to them the stories of my.

father fighting my uncles and my cousins. and so I was like I want to be one of. them I want to do this so there was. always rumors about why you were chosen. to be the representative for the first. UFC what what's the actual truth behind. it like why why did they choose you dude. it was going to be on national. TV looks.

imagine if they put an ugly brother with. a ugly they all could have done the same. thing my cousins they all could have. done the same thing MH but come on by. the. [Laughter]. looks no no I think I think my father in. hon knew I was going to obey my father's. order it was like do not hurt your. opponents um the other brothers and. cousins all of them bigger smaller the. could have done the same thing um it was.

very raw back then it was one sty. against. another but I think my father knew I was. a little more calm. personality it was it were going to I. was going to obey his orders and his. order was like do not hurt your. opponents now why was that so important. to him to show the true art of. jujitsu if a cousin gets in there and. beat the guy up with the elbow cross the.

opponent's face eh he would have be. impressive oh my God you would shock. everybody but wouldn't show the. technique and my father and Harden was. were concerned about showing the. technique of just what we can do by. dominating somebody bigger stronger. without having to hurt them that's so. amazing that the you guys had so much. confidence in Jiu-Jitsu that they wanted. you to not hurt someone it's that's the. C I remember having with with my father.

was like but Dad the GU bare knuckle. they're going to hit me he's like don't. worry they will never hit you they're. not gonna they're not going to touch you. don't worry that's how much confidence. he had wow he's not going to don't take. me wrong my mother's order was totally. different my mother was like your father. doesn't know what he's talking about I. want to see some blood send him to the. hospital mom was a mean one that's crazy. d was like no no don't hurt your.

opponent they're not going to touch you. don't worry they're not going to. nothing's going to happen you're going. to dominate mom was like I want to see. some blood send him to the hospital it's. so your family is it's so unusual. because I have always said that your. family your father Carlos everyone that. the whole family they it's the most. important family in the history of. martial arts there's no family in the. history of martial arts that's had the. same impact that the Gracies have had I.

think that jiujitsu landed with them for. for a purpose they're from the north of. Brazil persistence people and the vision. that they had or having a lot of kids. Uncle College had 21 kids wow 11 boys 10. girls my father had nine kids seven boys. two girls so he could have beat all. girls and you just wouldn't be what it.

is today it is kind of crazy that. because your father was so unusual had. such an unusual mindset and the fact. that he had had those early matches like. the matches with kamimura and you know. all those Santana all those different. early matches you know that a lot of. people don't even know about that you. could see online it was a it was um they. want to test themselves so Kimura having. lost. and not just not lost but nobody lasts.

more than three minutes with him and my. father's like okay I want to try heavier. younger Valar Santana heavier younger. they fought for like three hours in 40. minutes one round straight wow so it's. yeah they just they want to put it to. the test that was the main thing they. want to see what they can do but my.

father always said it wasn't on how can. he beat the. opponents he always told me don't walk. in to win walk in not to lose if you. don't lose the question is how you going. to beat him and he makes a mistake but. the mentality was always not to lose so. always be defensively. minded we're giving the weight advantage. to the opponents so if I don't lose. we're going to he always used to explain.

that way we're going to play a ping pong. game so every time you put the ball on. my side of the table he doesn't matter. where you put that ball I'll put it back. on the center I'll catch that ball put. it back on the center of the table what. am I doing playing the perfect defense. game when am I going to lose never so. when I'm going to win now we have to. change the question when you missed the. table did I win no you the one who made. a mistake you the one who lost if you're. not we're going to play forever if you. don't make a mistake so it was very it's. a defensive art yeah it's not a very.

aggressive I've I've heard uh hson. describe Jiu-Jitsu in that way he said. uh Jiu-Jitsu is I do this and then you. do that and then I do this and then you. do that. Forever Until somebody make a mistake. until somebody make a mistake it's like. I could have make a mistake too but if I. don't make a mistake if you don't make a. mistake we're going to play for. ever you know how it is we're gonna play. yeah until somebody gets tired or make a.

mistake. or Y it was it also it was perfect for. you to be in it because in the first UFC. you were what did you weigh about 176. PBS 178 178 crazy and you were in there. against gigantic guys like what did. chemo weigh. 250 250 roed to the gills there no t no. testing carrying a wooden cross into the. Octagon that was crazy he was a raw he.

was raw probably one of the strongest. guy I fought he was huge him was raw. strength yeah not the most technical but. he was pure strength and I messed up on. that one cuz I tried to match strength. with him he got me. tired so I tried I heard he was very. strong and I tried to match with him. walking in with the cross I remember. everybody's like what the hell is going. on. here Taw I was like I was like go ahead. carry that cross heav it was solid wood.

by the way that was Heavy I'm sure. probably good warmup and there's you how. old were you then that was a third UFC. that was a 27 wow look at his eyes man. it's like. yep yeah just jacked full of juice. enormous Jesus tattoo in his. stomach the early days my man what is it. like when you watch Knuckles and. sometimes I think my what my father was.

thinking Hardon on putting me rock cuz I. never had a fight before that was your. first fight was UFC one UFC one was the. first wow I had to say how many fights. you had I said 51 those tournament. matches right when I was a kid competing. tournaments yeah professional fights. never on the street never wow that's. crazy I got jump on the street once when. I was like 14 years old cuz I want to be. a fighter like my brothers never had a. fight that heard all of them fighting so.

I was like 14 15 years old I went to a. very bad neighborhood my bike got my. bike stolen my nose broken got jumped. for like five guys daytime took my bike. but I was I came home and I was like. okay I had a fight got my. ass so I can be one of them I want to be. one of my cousins one of my brothers man. I want to be part of that the. gra never had a fight it's like ah when. um you first fought did you have.

striking training at all Yes um very. little the I have I had students showing. me some stuff so that's crazy more for. me to know what's coming a me then for. me to use right so it's more for me to. know how they move yeah so it wasn't. like I'm going to learn striking to. learn boxing to fight against a boxer. mhm it was more for me to know what's. coming how they going to move when they.

getting ready to throw a kick a punch or. for me to understand their movements. yeah Hixon talked about that the same. way he said he didn't learn kickboxing. to be a kickboxer he just learned. kickboxing to understand what they're. doing the distance the timing distance. that's management distance management. that's the very important some guys you. see plant their feet and just exchange. fire power he can go either way so I.

like more of a Liu style hit and don't. get hit get away when you look back on. this now and you think did I mean when. you watch these old matches from like. 1993 what does it feel like to see that. crazy I think my father was crazy to put. me in there man well no one had no no. one had ever done it before on. television it never been in America at. least it' never been a thing and then to. all of a sudden have this no time limit.

no vision no gloves no no rules no rule. everything don't no buting no I gouging. yeah you could punch the nuts everything. y but if you do a gouge or bite like. jard guu as soon as I took him down he. beat my year on the first year on the. finals on the first UFC but there's no. punishment there's no okay you're going. to get disqualified it's like don't do. it again. [Laughter]. sir it's so crazy but then from that.

moment from UFC 1 Brazilian jiu-jitsu. exploded across the country. exploded Grace Academy double. size on after the first UFC after the. second UFC we double again wow this is. in Torrance Torrance yeah I um I started. at hixon's place and then I went to. Carlson Gracie's Place cuz I didn't know. any better it was closer it was closer. to me it was on Hawthorne as it was when.

vtor was making his debut in the UFC. back when they were calling him Victor. Gracie yes it was UFC 12 and uh I. remember the feeling of the first class. the feeling of how humiliated you are. when you don't know Jiu-Jitsu and you. spar with someone who knows Jiu-Jitsu. it's like you think you know how to. fight and then you get in there and then. all of a sudden you're on your back you. don't know what to do and all a sudden. you're getting choked and you're like oh. no this is crazy like it was and You' be. L martial arts for long.

so I had a completely distorted idea of. my ability to fight completely distorted. and I remember my first class I was like. oh boy now I know it's like a back in. the garage days there was some there was. always a student that bring a a a family. friend or or a family of member or coach. from different styles of martial art and. they'll come in and they'll come mean to. fight us but we wh and I would have be.

like okay we're going to control and. turn him into a student so we take the. guy down Mount and pretty much talk to. him maybe choke maybe arm bar Let It Go. not hurting and the guy will go home and. goes oh man can I sign up can I learn. right because of the fact that you. didn't hurt them you you could convert. them into a student if you beat the [ __ ]. out of them and just broke their face. they would never come back yeah so we. were more have concerned about gaining a.

student than trying to beat them up they. but they will come to fight we. converting them wow who's who's the was. it your father that was The Mastermind. behind doing it that. way I think that was horon cuz I horos. was like my second father I Came live. with him I was 17 going on 18 I came to. America to live with horon so horon was. a lawyer very smart very calculated.

teaching back in the garage days. teaching every day private classes half. an hour private. classes place look like a crack house. now there's a person coming in Le come. and go come and go the they was like. what are they doing over there it's. amazing what started in that garage if. you really think about it but it's also. amazing like his vision that he had so. so much belief in Jiu-Jitsu that he knew. that he just it wasn't like it had to be. veloped it was already there you just.

have to show people they just need to. know and we try advertisements and so he. finally figured out we have to put on. TV and once the American people find out. the whole world will see it so and. that's what happened put on TV second. UFC yeah people coming from everywhere. those applications coming from different. part of the world it's crazy it's. there's never been I mean other than May.

one thing that Happ like Bruce Lee Bruce. Lee movies people saw Bruce Lee movies. they all wanted to learn martial arts. but other than that but that was movies. right so that was like you wanted to do. this thing that wasn't real like this. guy was fighting 10 people they were all. coming out and one at a. time but it wasn't real watching you in. UFC one it was like so many people had. this light bulb moment I thought a lot. of people thought it was fixed it was.

like h no there's no way this thing is. for Real even though T lauli lost a. tooth by Gerard G got kicking the face. right off right the first fight it's. like but a lot of people thought yeah. second UFC still people like yeah I. think the fourth one is when people said. okay this thing's for. real I martial artist knew right away. yes in the martial arts Community right. away I didn't see UFC 1 first I saw UFC.

2 that was the first one that I saw. because UFC 1 for whatever reason I. think it was some licensing thing wasn't. available as a a DVD or a v VCR tape yes. so the VHS tape when it when it was. released and you could get it in a store. a friend of mine had told me about it. and I had just moved to California it. was 94 and I got a hold of ufc2 and I. watched it in my apartment I remember. going oh my goodness like it just. changed my my mind about about fighting.

you know fighting for me was always. standup fighting I mean I Wrestled a. little bit in high school but fighting. for me was kickboxing so when I saw that. I was like wow I remember everybody like. all my friends that were into martial. arts everybody was scrambling to try to. find a Jiu-Jitsu school like there had. never been a moment like that where one. martial art had emerged with such Force. Jujitsu Judo wrestling I had a lot of. wrestlers and Judo guys that came up to. me it's like man thanks for putting us. on the map mhm going back to the old.

black Bell magazines inside karate. inside Kung Fu those all standup martial. arts those was they wouldn't consider. Wrestling Judo part of martial art is. crazy that's not it's all stuned up we. used to share a gym back when I lived in. Boston there was a guy that I used to. work out with and he had a gym that he. would share with the Judo class so on. one side there was a judo guy and the. other side was the kickboxers and I. remember thinking like of these guys. doing like what a waste of time.

practicing throwing each other around. like what's the point you know and no. one knew it's so interesting that. everyone see from the time I first got. into martial arts when I was a little. kid there was always this thought like. what would happen if a karate guy fought. a judo guy what would happen if a boxer. fought a wrestler and everybody had an. opinion but until UFC 1 came around no. one really knew it was just theoretical. I always maintain. that since 93 to today martial arts have.

evolved more over the last 30 years than. they have over the last 30,000 years. it's everybody had that that that like. what what would happen yeah but nobody. was would would would have challenge the. other one nobody want to step on. anybody's toes well nobody was willing. to take the chance you know what if I. lose or what I don't want to bother I. don't want to beat the other guy too. because if I beat him he's going to feel.

bad and there was a lot of that yep we. were like Hey we're willing to find out. yeah well thank God you did that I mean. thank thank God it came along because. who knows where martial arts would be. today if that hadn't happened you would. still people thinking the death. touches all that [ __ ] I'll touch you. right here in the shoulder and a week. from now youu paraliz like grab your. collar you go to sleep yeah yeah there a. lot of that stupid [ __ ] there's still.

that stupid [ __ ] out there there's still. a lot of people out there that believe. that stuff it's crazy isn't it but hey. UFC came along yeah but most people know. now most people know now I mean now if. you want to fight you have to know. Jiu-Jitsu you have to because there's no. if hands or butts about it if you take. Jiu-Jitsu away it goes back to the old. style stand up Karate against Kung Fu M. just the bomb bond in between the.

Striking arts and the grappling arts and. yeah all of them I mean there's still. guys who only understand Jiu-Jitsu in a. rudimentary sense like they understand. defense but you have to at least. understand defense you have to at least. know what someone's doing you can't you. can't compete without understanding it. because you'll get caught you got to. know yeah not just not just on the. grappling part but on the stand up part.

you have to know how to defend yourself. it's like it's not just come up and. start to hit the opponent no no I got to. manage distance I got to know when I'm. too close and he's going to hit me so I. got to play defense all around what is. it like for you having been there for. UFC 1 to see what it is today to see. like UFC 300 which is just insane this. this thing where millions of people are. watching it around the world world it's. this huge phenomenon it's like the most.

exciting sport in the world now and to. know you were the original you're number. one there's only going to be one. original Ultimate Fighter that's you. um I don't look at that. way I don't look at that way I look as a. as a yeah I was part of it you were the. the part of it if it wasn't you like if. you didn't exist if they had the UF C. won and there was no representative of.

Jiu-Jitsu who some big strong guy would. have won maybe or what if I lost right. what if you lost yeah so I said the. other day I said I'm not part of the. history I am the history yeah you are. the history yeah you you were the. original representative of Jiu-Jitsu and. the the reason why the UFC became so. exciting was not just because you get to. see these wild fights and out of a cage. but you see a smaller guy with better.

technique beat the bigger stronger men. which is what martial arts was always. supposed to be Jiu-Jitsu I always tell. people is the only martial art that. delivers as advertised because if you're. a. kickboxer and you're a small guy and. another guy's a kickboxer but he's like. 250 pounds like you're [ __ ] you're. [ __ ] you lightweight boxer against a. heavyweight doesn't stand a chance. doesn't stand a chance but jiu-jitsu. if you are really good and that guy.

doesn't know what he's doing you're. going to [ __ ] kill him he doesn't. have a chance or even if he knows what. he's doing he's like lightweight yeah. the lightweight have a chance oh yeah to. survive and play defense and and end up. choking or armar do big opponent which. is why absolutes in Jiu-Jitsu matches. are so interesting when you watch a. small guy beat a big guy win the. heavyweight championship it's like a. lightweight yeah no it's it's the only. martial art that really delivered as. advertised where technique triumphs over.

everything and that's what my father and. uncle kahlus and their brothers always. tried to to show people that you don't. have to be the biggest the strongest the. fastest you just got to know what you're. doing yeah my father used to say give me. the right leverage and I'll live the. world with one hand just got to have the. right. setup well that was also the brilliant. thing about jiujitsu and your father so.

your father was he was a smaller guy he. weighed like 147 LBS or something 45. years crazy crazy and challenge. everybody wrestlers that came from go. boxes or go to vacation in Brazil he. would be at the airport waiting for the. guy the old Joe Lewis went to. Brazil and um excuse me and went to you. and the and the my father challenged him.

wow hor had a letter that that was given. to my father saying Joe LS will box. against. anybody boxing against boxing n MMA. match my father was like 145 pounds Joe. Lewis was. 220 200 pounds the heavyweight champion. at the. time wow the old M was crazy imagine if. he took that on if he was willing to do. that that would have been exciting but.

back then there was no um the internet. yeah so a lot of people probably. wouldn't find out right it would be very. modern would be didn't happen yeah no. one would understand there no tapes and. right right right yeah you'd have to set. that up you'd have to set that up bring. a camera crew in the ho. deal yeah what what was it about your. father that had this mentality that had. this desire to to Chen himself and and. prove jiu-jitsu's.

Effectiveness I think he. was being smaller being peon. it and once he. learned he had that. power he learned jit he got that power. with him so he want to show. others and he. wasn't I would say as a fighter he.

always says if I fell on top of the. opponent I would have be nice I would. have choke him out I'll subdue him use. submission make him tap technique if he. was on top of me I would have beat him. up he used to say hit him get off me get. off me he should have listened you. should have got off me in the first. punch he will tie you up and beat you. from the bottom well that was what one. one of the more interesting things about. jiujitsu because of what your father did.

was because your father was smaller he. developed much more technique off of his. back because in these other styles of. Judo and and Japanese Jiu-Jitsu it. wasn't really emphasizing fighting off. of your back yeah he was playing. defense so he always said tie your. opponent up and if you have to beat him. up from the bar but if you get on top. there's no reason to beat him up you. under control you control the fight you.

just subdue. him but was a lot of Defense it's. interesting now a mean defense I would. say very mean defense yeah but it's. interesting now when you see the rules. the rules are set up much more for. Strikers and for wrestlers because i'. I've been talking about this lately like. say if you're a Jiu-Jitsu guy and you're. fighting in the first round and it's uh. rounds are minutes long and you take the. guy down 4 minutes and 30 seconds you.

only have 30 seconds to work I feel like. a fight should be even if you're going. to make it rounds the fight is the fight. I don't think someone should be able to. get up I don't think you should stand. people up ever I think once a guy takes. you down that's the fight is on the. ground then if it's boring for the. audience tough [ __ ] if you're on the. bottom get up and if you can't get up. tough [ __ ] and if if the round ends and. then the new round begins I think they.

should start you right back in the same. place I think cu the they're on the same. weight division back then there was no. weight division right but since the it's. so I don't I would say I would say the. fight doesn't favor one person one style. or another it doesn't favor it but it. gives a distinct Advantage if you let a. person stand up that didn't stand up so. if you start the second round say if if. you take me down with four minutes and. 30 seconds to go and you're dominating.

me and you're closing in on me and. you're about to tap me but then the. round ends and then we start but now we. start standing up but I didn't earn that. stand up I just got to stand up because. of the time I feel like the the fight. should be a fight so if a fight is five. rounds that's a 25 minute fight and I. think whatever position that you're in. at the end of that first round you. should begin in the second round that's. what I think I'm in favor of doing one. round straight through well that would. be wild too I think one round and maybe.

even no time limit h no time limit is. not good for the TV no no but good for. the internet 115 minute round oo yeah. it's like that's it 115 straight through. go straight no no rounds start 15. minutes later we'll stop they should try. that and if a hey if nobody wins and. another five minutes or 10 minutes right. overtime round you see over time yeah. well I think Pride had good rules with a.

10-minute first round was better I think. 10 minutes is better especially if. someone like works really hard again 4. minutes 30 seconds you finally take the. guy down now you're on top and now. you're trying to set things up but the. bell rings and then you start standing. up again yeah it starts standing up. again but then yeah I think put a 10. minute round 15 minute one round. straight through man but I think they. the problem is they've stopped changing. the rules the rules are the rules now. and they they've kind of like solidified. them and established them but I don't.

think the rules are right I think I. think if a guy takes you down you should. have to earn a standup you have to get. back up to your feet so if the fight. ends with one mountain on top of the. other on the back yeah if if that's the. end of the round you start from the same. position I think they should show it up. on the screen what the position was and. then everybody agrees okay so he had an. overhook he had half guard go or how.

about like they. um they play. football American. football if the fight five minute finish. and the guys is on the mountain position. you got to let it go until they break. away MH yeah so you're going to go until. somebody score yeah so I like that it's. like if the positioned up on a such a. advant advantage. position that was something to think.

about it yeah it's something to think. about like if you want to make things. more realistic like finish the round and. I'm on your back about to choke you or. with a gill the choke or arm bar. CAU okay the Bell doesn't ring until you. get away and get up then we'll take a. break yeah that's not bad either I just. think that having a fight start if you. start you start standing up but I think. round to round you should resume the.

position whatever you were in in the the. F previous round I think that's the only. thing that makes sense because otherwise. you didn't earn a standup if a guy takes. you down and mounts you and he's he's. setting up a head and arm choke and he's. s sinking it in and then the buzzer. Rings you should go right back to that. spot when round two starts CU you didn't. get out of that so and now if the guy's. a kickboxer now he goes oh [ __ ] I almost. got caught and now you start that next. round standing up he has an advantage. cuz now he's standing up yeah but he.

didn't earn that stand up you earned the. takedown you got him down you got in a. superior position you were about to. finish. him that's I like it yeah I think it. makes more sense I like it no one's. going to listen to me. though especially me they go you you're. biased towards Jiu-Jitsu I'm like yeah. yeah I am but I'm not though but I'm not. though because I feel like I mean if it. was the other way if you know if you. start a fight if a guy stood up and got.

back to you know a standing position you. would never take them back down again. and start but if was a kick if was a. switch around just playing Devil's. Advocate over here okay the kickboxer or. the stand up. guy hit almost knock him out M Bell. Rings Saved by the Bell. right how do we restart that one well. you restart it standing it's still.

standing I mean the round you have the. minute rest but you're still standing. this the kickbox Let It Go Let It Go the. clock goes and hey either he recover get. in a clinch and yeah got away the right. way to do it then is one round one 15. minute round or one 25 minute round in a. championship fight that's the right way. to do it that would be 15 30 seconds a. 30 second minute round minute break yeah. and then 10 minutes that's not bad yeah. first round 15 yeahoo that' be crazy.

it'll be a early night yeah I mean how. many finishes would there be there'd be. a lot more finishes I think so you know. I wonder how different people have to. work on the endurance too oh yeah CU a. lot of guys they I see they finish the. fight one is fresh the other one is done. for the night right but then the one. that's fresh lost because he doesn't. have that quick twitch that fast twitch. muscle and the one that explode.

everything on the first round the second. third round that's it yeah this guy's. ready to go for five six but he's time. is over right it's a that's an. interesting te too right it's a matter. of what what people don't understand. that don't that just watch it and don't. do martial arts is that it's really just. about pacing yourself too knowing when. to hit the gas when to back up knowing. that you have to fight for five rounds. and knowing like when to push like some.

Fighters they'll they'll back off in you. know in the beginning because they they. know that a guy's going to come out fast. and hard and they're just going to wait. okay he's slowing down now now I start. to press now I start to put on the gas. and it becomes a mental too like Harden. used to say if I drop you off in the. middle of the ocean and tell you I'm. coming back in an hour all you got to do. is tread water for an hour but if I drop. you off and Say Goodbye find your way. home now you got to pick a direction. start swimming yeah most people drown.

before an hour yeah true right mental. yeah so lot of mental there's no round. to save you yeah yeah that's the most. interesting thing about the early UFC's. is that it was just no time limit just. here we go this like Den s on top of me. for 15 minutes I beat him on the final. 16 minutes yeah so but 15 minutes if was. if was today he would have won he was on.

top took me down got on top would have. won the decision I remember that day I. remember when you caught him in that. triangle most people didn't even know. what was going on they were like what is. it doing what the hell's Happening Here. what is going on nowadays everybody. would be go oh he's got the the. audiences are so educated now that was a. perfect example of playing defense right. there I totally play defense against him. just first straight the opponent until.

he made a mistake I tried a triangle. early on on the fight but he was able to. get out to get out and then I defend. defend defend defend he couldn't do. anything I can see him getting. frustrated like he didn't know how he. was going to win he's like I can feel. that there's no way I'm I'm I can't beat. this guy right cuz you were so good. defensively just playing defense he. couldn't hit me couldn't he tried. you see but I knew he didn't have any. finishing holds he didn't know any.

finishing holds he was just trying to. put pressure okay yeah I'll take it no. problem it was also the ghee the ghee. was so smart too to fight with the gon. because guys would just grab that ghee. when you would close the distance and. get a hold of them they would grab your. ghee. instinctively I prefer them to grab a. lot of Brazilians were like man but then. they grab they make it harder for you no. I prefer them to put their hands on me. yeah cuz I know where their hands are at.

least if they're not punching me if they. have nothing to grab they're going to be. swinging on me right go ahead grab my. ghee all day long I don't mind well guys. who weren't even Grapplers would grabb. your ghee I remember watching human. instinct yeah human instinct yeah and. also you have all that friction is so. good to hold on to guys when you have. the ghee and I dried them used the ghee. to my father like use the GE to dry the. guys cuz if they be slippery mhm it's. not like today they they put oil on. their body oh yeah they definitely do.

yeah they definitely do kickboxers all. put Vaseline all over that's to war up. the Tiger Bond to war up that thing's. slippery man oh yeah guys take baths in. baby oil they would lie down in a. bathtub and put water and put baby oil. in the water and just soak themselves in. baby oil so even if they're dry then is. the moment they start to sweat they just. like whoop like holding on to a salmon. whoop slip right out of your fingers. it's crazy good old days good old days.

no rules and then they slowly started. implementing rules they slowly started. implementing weight classes and then. mandating gloves and then taking away. shoes I understand I understand it had. to be it became a show let's say yeah so. on the beginning was a a style against a. style yeah today is more of a I would. look at more as like a like a as an. athlete against an athlete yes now it's. a sport it's a real sport and it's still.

a sport that there's still a lot of. rules that I don't agree with like uh I. don't agree with uh no knees to the head. on the ground I think that's ridiculous. I think that doesn't make sense because. they're very effective like don't be in. a position where you get kned in the. head like don't don't be in that don't. stay in a turtle like when guys just. stay in a turtle and a guy's got a hold. of him man that's a terrible place to be. in the street oh my God if a guy's got a. head and arm on you and he's holding you. and you're in the turtle and his knees. are free and you're not blocking your.

head oh this fight is over but in the. UFC you can't even do anything that. seems to me to be crazy they tried to. make it I think for to last long the. fights well I think it's less brutal too. and the idea is that like you can't. defend yourself against knees to the. head of ground but you can obviously. Pride them yeah I can elbow the back of. the head right the back of the head from. the back if you have the back Mount. remember when henzo when your cousin. fought uh Striker that guy in um was it.

World Combat League oh my God he got his. back and just boom boom just [ __ ] him. up like you didn't even need to put the. choke in like you couldn't do anything. you just flattened out with your face on. the mat and the guy's pound in the back. of your head you just tap so they're. kind of trying to a little put a little. bit of a to protect the fighter yes I. understand I understand too I don't. agree with it I don't agree with it. either also it's weird that you can't. hit the back of the head because the. back of the head gets hit a lot a lot.

accidentally especially with head kicks. like a lot of times head kicks wrap. around the back of your head and it's. totally legal like if two guys are. standing and one Guy faints and the guy. throws a punch and the guy throws a head. kick and the head kick hits him bang it. wraps right around the back of the head. the shin that's okay and that's a legal. KO which is crazy but if you get a guy. on the ground and you punch him in the. back of the head referee take a point. away stand you up doesn't make any sense.

yeah it's I would say Let It Go yeah Let. It Go the old days that would have be. that would that would have be good to. see you got to protect the back of your. head the back of your head's vulnerable. if you're in a situation where a guy can. punch the back of your head you should. be blocking the back of your head and if. now he can punch the front of your head. now you got to block the front of your. head turn your face into opponent you. you have to do this is a we're talking. about the sport of effective fighting. and it's very effective to punch someone. in the back of the head and they say.

it's more. dangerous but I mean we're talking about. a very dangerous sport it's it's. affected to punch the temple that's okay. that's [ __ ] vulnerable that's a thin. little piece of of the glove the gloves. four yeah yeah there just to protect. your fingers protect your knuckles just. break helps you hit harder yep yeah it. just protects you from cuts a little bit. a little bit you know but still the cast. that they put underneath all that taping. and the glov just to protect your hands. so it don't break your hands exactly.

yeah do you think that they should be. bare. knuckle I think you should have go back. to the old ways just try out one time. one time right one time would be great. no time limit no weight division why. doesn't someone do that why doesn't. someone do that someone should do I mean. I don't know about the weight limit. thing guys are too good now the problem. is guys are too good but if there's no. way division mhm if there's no way. division you cannot have time limit. right so if you take the weight you got. to take the time right like I my father.

used say I'll give you the weight. division you got to give me time right. so you get some of the light weights. over here man M the. 170s 180s they will fight the heavy. weights also with no time limit most of. these guys well if they're Jiu-Jitsu. guys but also a lot of these guys are. not really that that's the other thing. is the the weight cutting like kamaro. Usman is a great example was the 170 lb. Champion one of the greatest ever never.

weighed 170 lb he weighed 170 lb for. about 5 minutes walk around 200 yeah. easy jacked all of them all everybody. everybody you can't fight one I mean. except for BJ pen BJ pen was the last. guy who fought at 170 probably weighed. like 165 when he beat Matt Hughes you. know and he didn't just didn't cut any. weight at all yep he just weighed what. he weighed and just just went in and. went after it but again Jiu-Jitsu guy. you know but everybody have to know J.

today yeah some are more proficient than. the others yes but everybody have to. know yeah you have to know what's going. on you have to so yeah everybody have to. know a little bit wrestling. Jud kickboxing boxing the karate. everybody have to know a little bit of. everything yeah it's a different sport. it's it's totally different now would it. be fun to do once see who can sign up. for it yeah yeah no time limit no weight. class no gloves yeah old school I think.

they should take away the cage I think. the cage helps people too because it. helps people stand back up it helps you. if you get a guy down and you get a guy. down in an open room like say a. basketball court like there's nothing to. help him get back up okay hold on time. out over here now you brought some. memories over here yeah first. UFC it was John MERS um the producer for. uh corner and the Destroyer mhm the. father of Dirty Harry the the Clint this.

wood he's in charge of creating the cage. but before the cage they come up with. some ideas they present to me I was like. wait a minute hold on they're like how. about if we make a a a a round ring with. a pit under with a pit around it with. shocks I was like hold on. imagine if I fight a sumo wrestler and. just bump me off and fall off the shars.

you eat you it's like yeah yeah we. should put panas because you from Brazil. what the ideas they had how about a a a. like a bow and people try to get off but. you can't because it be slippery you. can't climb off the walls the side but. then they didn't had the angles for the. camera and how about putting a um they. try the oct G but with Bob wires oh God.

I was like dude imagine if I got. somebody big and just push me against. and hang me on top oh yeah that's right. let's make it Electrical Fence I was. like really the ideas they had. man I was like if I fight some everybody. I'm gonna fight is going to be bigger. than me the guy push me against the. fence fry me against the P come on. really that's crazy I keep Ving the. ideas man they had all kind of crazy IDE. God imagine if they went through with. those that's so.

ridiculous I've been saying for a while. that they should do like if you could. watch a basketball game basketball games. on this massive Court why can't there be. a fight on a basketball court just flat. mats no walls so everyone can see. everything that's going on end up being. there's a even a basketball the guys. will go to the edge yeah but you have a. warning track so you have a warning. track of like 15 ft on each side well. let's make that bow that they talking.

about idea that bow so the guy can climb. off it's like with the wall the The Edge. is have you seen karate combat how. karate combat's doing it no karate. combat is doing it like that where they. have a flat surface and it's on the. edges there's mats that go to the edges. like at an angle in the angle like. people cannot climb out they kind of go. up against it but then they get pushed. and then they fall down they fall down. cuz it's it's like I think a wall is. actually better than angle because it's. just too easy to fall like as like.

someone's pushing you up against that. thing it's a slope it's hard to like as. someone's you're yeah so if you see how. they do it see how they have that wall. it yes see the. angle so I don't I don't necessarily. think that that's the best idea because. as soon as you go up against that a lot. of times guys wind up falling down and. the guy just oh you falls on top of them. yeah you can't back up yeah you can't. back up I think it would be better if it. was like a basketball Court just a flat. mat and a basketball court and there's a. warning track so if you know you're in.

the Red Zone you have to get out of that. red zone and if you keep retreating to. the Red Zone maybe they take a point. away from you like maybe you have to. it's a lot of room a basketball court is. a big space this plenty of room you. start in the center and then that's how. you fight hey I just trying to eliminate. all the factors that aren't another. human like the other human if if a guy. takes you down and you could scoot up to. the to the wall and then you start using. the wall and you press up against the.

wall now you're standing up again but. you use the wall like if that was just. flat no wall you're not getting up now. you have to go under hooks you have to. DEA you have to do something to try to. reverse the position you try to get back. up on your feet you have to you have to. earn a standup much more difficult than. if you're just using the wall to help. you stand back up. Shar panas sharks piranas Electrical.

Fence God I remember uh the first UFC I. worked was UFC 12 and uh this was when I. was on a television show I was on this. television show called news radio was a. sitcom and so I was uh hired to go do. the postf fight interviews and I. remember the people that I was working. with on the sitcom like what are you. doing like why are you being involved in. this this brutal and I was telling them. I was like no no no this is going to be. the biggest sport in the world they're.

like you're out of your [ __ ] mind. like you're crazy no one's going to like. this this is insanity like you're going. to watch people fight in a cage and I'm. like that was one of the challenges that. Hardon had and a lot of people did not. uh believe on him he was like people. were like man you cannot fight on the. streets how are you going to put this on. live TV right that was one of the. challenges that the hor figur out. pay-per-view he must be happy now.

watching it right oh yeah like look I. was right his baby yeah look at his baby. now baby's on ESPN y crazy crazy now he. yeah National TV when was the last time. Horan went to a. UFC I don't know does he still watch. them I I think so I think he does watch. so I talk to him once in a while and. once a month we talk it must be crazy. for him to see this thing that was his. idea just Branch off and become this.

huge all over the world is not does he. is he mad that he didn't get a. piece no cuz it's sold sold. for he never talked to me about that Bo. they should have cut him in but they. should have cut him in yeah you know. when you think about it like if anybody. deserves a piece that guy deserves a. piece for the for the vision that he has. yes if it wasn't for his vision and the. way they decide Ed to go about doing it. and also your father your father's. vision for like don't hurt him just use.

Jiu-Jitsu show everybody cuz that's one. of the things that made it so appealing. it wasn't that it was just so brutal. that the guy who won wasn't brutal the. guy who won was just better Technical. and that's why I think the first second. third UFC until I I didn't finish on the. third UFC and first and second people. are like there's no way he's the. smallest one right beat everybody. without hurting them. mhm I don't know everybody thought was. like yeah a lot of people are like the.

non martial artist people yesti people. who knew was like. uhoh yeah yeah martial arts people we. got to learn this well everybody who. took jiujitsu knew right away like cuz. it was it was so eye openening to like. like I said before my first classes like. the ideas that you had in your head of. how competent you are versus the reality. that you're confronted with and you saw. that in all the gracian action tapes too. like guys they wanted to do it again. like how did you do that let's try it. again no way and then whoop take down.

again whoop armar like like Gerard guu. after the first UFC he went back to. Holland and prepar remu to to beat me. Radu judo player knew some stand up when. I beat R Kahu they went back to Holland. they're like okay we have to learn this. thing we have to learn this remember. when Remco paru fought Orlando V yes and. he got him in side control and he just. elbowed him unconscious and everybody's.

like oh. wow like whoa that was crazy cuz Orlando. V was scary that guy was scary. lightweight very good kickboxer yeah. nasty nasty Muay Thai and Remco partu. just whoop took him down elbows boom. boom boom and then stopped he stopped. like look he's out he was it that's a WP. such an educational moment for martial.

arts again martial arts has changed so. much since 1993 people's understanding. of martial arts just the the general. public what they know if you see street. fights today guys go to the ground all. the time you see street fights today. guys get guys in heel hooks it's crazy. street fights yep you know here it is. here's Remco boom boom the first one he. was already out Remco is like 260 yeah. he was a big dude but it was just like. no one understood what was going on no.

one understood anything that's the same. th down that he tried to do it on me but. I end up on his back yeah and I knew he. was going to do that that take down trap. the arm roll over. MH so I end up on his back and that's. when I choke him such a strange time for. martial arts really if you really stop. and think about it such a strange time. because all these years thousands of. years of people fighting thousands of. years of people having this idea of how. to fight and then all of it comes.

together in the UFC and then we go okay. now we have new data now we have new. understanding now we have okay now we. get it now we get it you know and then. you see it evolve to what it is now you. know where you see these guys like Alex. paja the kickboxer who comes in and now. he's got his style and and I think. today's more of a a lot of strategy too. mhm cuz both Fighters are practicing the. stand up in the grappling yeah they do. jitu they do wrestling everybody does.

Kickboxing Karate everybody practice all. of them so it's question of who have the. best strategy yeah who has the best. strategy and and then there's people. like Pera who has a unique skill set. like scary kickboxer dangerous he just. hits you once you're unconscious you. know he like that guy presents a very. unique challenge like if you don't grab. him and you don't get him to the ground. you are [ __ ] cuz if you're standing up. with him at any moment that guy's going. to set you up move and boom like we did.

with Jamal Hill in that last fight yes. all it takes his one shot from that guy. you know like so these these guys now. that everyone has their own unique skill. set and it's so interesting seeing how. that skill set matches up with another. guy's skill set like with paja I want to. see what happens if he fights against. like an elite wrestler a really good who. has really good at takedowns who knows. Jiu-Jitsu you know and we haven't seen. that yet. but he trains a lot of grappling too oh. yeah oh yeah he just got his black belt.

from Glover from Glover yes yeah which. is huge and Glover is good yeah Glover. says he's like very good on the ground. Glover Glover himself tough as people. don't know how good Glover is cuz Glover. could not fight in the US for six years. because of Visa issues during his prime. like during his prime Glover was stuck. in Brazil he couldn't come to America. because of everybody knew about Glover. was the boogeyman like every everybody. talked about Glover Glover was the guy. that like out of all the elite guys that.

weren't in the UFC Glover was the number. one guy that everybody talked about he. was so good when he was younger by the. time he got to the UFC he was already. like 36 years old he won the title I. think he was 41 or 42 when he won the. light heavyweight title and and Alex. stranged with him so oh yeah yeah it's a. good combination oh perfect perfect. perfect combination yeah I mean this is. it's an amazing exciting time for the. sport you know really. is and it's going to there's still a lot.

of countries a lot of places that are. against so we still can open up more. doors what countries are against uh MMA. now a lot European countries are still. like it's starting to make its way like. this guys from France just just now last. year I think starting France and Spain. well France has some great guys too now. though you know uh serial Gan and Cedric. dbai who fights for uh pfl who's a elite.

kickboxer it's um it's just and then you. got of course you got those guys from. dagistan that's an interesting element. too those Russian. wrestlers I don't think just because of. their wrestling I think it's because of. their discipline MH and I tell a lot of. people that those guys don't think about. anything else just train IPL about very. religious very disciplined very focused.

yeah there's no the the girlfriend or. wife they're not thinking about any of. that no partying there's no partying. that's all they do get up train sleep y. eat train so yeah they don't think about. anything else they're just more I think. they're more disciplined MH than this. side of the world yeah I was watching. this uh interview with uh khib where he. was talking was a conversation that he. was having with someone who was talking. about young people that it's so.

important that they maintain Focus. because a young guy who's really. talented and is above and better than. everybody else when he's 18 sometimes. they'll slack off and then they come. back to it when they're like 22 but then. by then they're average and everybody. else has gotten much better and they. lost that advantage and they'll never. they won't be special but the guy who's. 18 who's above and beyond everybody else. in the gym that guy if can maintain that. discipline and maintain that Focus then. he can go on to become a champion yeah.

yeah I totally believe on that it's the. discipline yeah it's not because they're. better wrestlers Or Nah because they're. better Strikers you find very good. wrestlers everywhere in America top. wrestlers in the world over here MH. Olympics yeah see but but I think the. discipline is what what's missing a lot. lot of people they don't take Sunday. offs right right right oh it's Sunday.

we're going to harest no no not for them. not for those guys what was training. like for you like during UFC. 1. training I never really party so I I. understand because I'm on that. philosophy I would say good I before. like a month two months before the.

fights a month before the fight when I. was fighting in Japan when I went to. fight in Japan a month before the fight. I would have move out of the hous so. don't have to deal with with the kids. with the woman. nothing so month before. and H would come over and have a talk. with me and my father and like okay. there's no. babysitting there's no hanging out with. the.

kids. yep none of that just Spartan. training yeah pretty much yeah and I. understand I was like okay I'm a soldier. man you tell me to do it I'll do it. there's not there's not a doubt you see. they say do it. done so you cannot hang around with the. kids and babysit and the kids are little. they all grown now but it's like nope. okay I can cut it off not a problem and.

lot of discipline on that say goodbye to. the family you got to go train you got. to go spend a month away and what was a. day training like did you do any. strength and conditioning back then or. was it all just Jiu-Jitsu training and. and position training and. drills it was a lot of a in that order. you have to know what you're doing. that's how I learned from my family you. have to have endurance. then becomes power yes I did a lot of. strength and conditioning but a lot of.

endurance endurance was before the. strength and strength so even till today. it's like it's knowledge if you don't. know how to fight right you have no. business in the cage right but then you. know how to fight and you have a lot of. power but you can't last more than two. minutes uh oh you in trouble yeah so you. have to know what you're doing you have. to have endurance to last at least the. first round five minutes mhm then. becomes power and what kind of endurance. training would you do oh endurance.

everything from running to swimming to. strength coach and I one time got up and. it's like okay the guy he used to be the. strength coach for strange Cod for USC. for the Rams when they were in La James. man went for a 41 mile run 41 miles one. day seven 7 hours later I told him stop. my CS are both cramped up man I can't.

take a I. stab that seems crazy yeah. so just not too long ago couple years. ago bunch of friends of mine from the. Navy SE asked me hey let's go swim. across Let's go swim at Tempa at Tempa. Bay I was like sure let's do. it I I figured out was a cross Tempa Bay. it's like 3 hours.

later 3 hours of swimming I made it but. my God like Jesus Christ I was having. frost bite on my fingers it was January. cold very cold water Brazilians are not. made for cold weather it was not the. distance it was not I can make it it was. not carrying like extra 40 50 lbs of. weight be dragging behind us no it was. the cold water they got to me I was like. but I did it got the other side did you.

train for that or did you just do it we. swi I swim about maybe a dozen. times I thought we were just going to go. to the beach and just hang out swim on. the beach yeah cold water okay yeah come. in come out. no three hours by the time they say. across Tempa Bay I was like SH now I. cannot back down man I got to do it so. yeah went to a pool swimming a nice warm. pool dozen times maybe a dozen times. just to get ready for that yep oh [ __ ].

it was pretty much just on heart. man um we climb up um Cactus to clouds. that's in Palm. Springs strength coach is like yeah. let's we going to go for a hike dude. it's like Cactus to. clouds it's bad we did it we got up. there how long did that take oh day all. day left like 3:00 4:00 in the morning. we.

started finished by 4:00 in the. afternoon 3 4:00 in the. afternoon Cactus to clouds 21 miles. difficulty class one two highly. strenuous. 10,400 ft change of elevation Jesus. Christ that's things. yep yeah yeah I I always did endurance. and stuff so with fighting if you don't. have endurance you don't have anything. sakurabi and I we fought for hour and 45.

was hour and 45 yeah yeah it was six. rounds of 15 minutes with a a two minute. rest I think it was two minute rest in. between rounds 15 minutes rest for two. 15 crazy yeah is that the longest fight. you had yes 945 that's the second. longest fight in history what's the. longest fight in history my father oh. wow 340 wow 342 or something like this. yep fighting but he was one round yeah I.

was six rounds of 15. minutes what was the longest fight in. the UFC that was one. round I think then s and I oh wow no K. sham Rock and I one round of uh it was. 30 minutes on the uh. UFC five we did a one round of 30. minutes what about other organiz. remember when Millo Bustamante fought. Tom Erikson Tom Ericson yes that was. another one that was crazy cuz Millo was.

Brazil 185 and Tom Ericson was 300 lb he. was [ __ ] very good wrestler powerful. guy too people forgot about Tom Ericson. he was a very good wrestler he was a. scary [ __ ] big they would call. him the big cat cuz he moved like a cat. but he was 300 lb that was on the. wrestlers were taking over and trying to. fight against the showing the zans that. just was nothing so they had the head. the. heavyweights it was Tom Ericson Kerr.

Coleman yep um Royce aler too he entered. into the UFC and uh ensen inway armbar. him remember that yep broke his arm and. all those guys went to Brazil to fight. in. Brazil yeah uh Kevin randomman randomman. marker yep Chell they fought Fab guel. and Chuck fought P yep remember when. they used to have the the ring with the. The netting underneath the bottom row so.

people can't slip out yeah. crazy it's crazy when you think about it. how much the sport has changed and how. many just I mean and what's amazing is. you could watch all those matches too. like back then trying to watch A Match. was very hard to do you had to find a. tape you. know yeah I remember people saying yes. man you fought in you fought in America. we had to wait a week or two weeks until. somebody bring the tape over M the VHS.

they have to bring it not even sand they. have to somebody come over here record. it and then take it back to Brazil and. make copies and pass around to. people well it's also like people had to. understand where the level was at too. cuz if you didn't watch it you didn't. understand where the level was that I. remember um there was a match between. Hixon and hegan there's a Jiu-Jitsu. match between Hixon and Eagan and at the. time was like the highest level jiujitsu.

black belt match we had ever seen and. we're watching Hixon and hegan going. after him like oh my God they both studs. studs hean was not easy man he was so. good a stud oh my God and watching those. guys go at it in their Prime it's like. you get to see that level and you you. had to watch a tape if you were going to. see that y cuz you know we weren't in. Brazil so we'd have to someone has to. film it if get it over to us yeah yeah. crazy how come Hixon never fought in the. UFC did was there ever a moment where it.

almost came over I think because I was. fighting there in the UFC if not it was. tournament back then so if both of us. fought we end up facing CH like ah so I. think he he just that's why he decided. to go to Japan but when you when you. stopped fighting in the UFC was ever a. moment where they were trying to get. Hixon to come over I don't know if they. approach him but he was already. he was successful in Japan and they kept. him busy over there yeah so he was.

beating up the heavy weights in Japan. yeah he was beating up everybody over. there that's the thing that. unfortunately in America people weren't. aware of like Japan Valley tudo and all. the different and then the original. Pride you know when he fought Takata and. he fought all those guys over there and. F or the first valud yes yes yeah yeah. well. fortunately we have choke the the. documentary so people get a chance to.

see it from that hi was a beast man oh. my God yeah well that was the crazy. thing when you were winning the UFC you. were telling everybody hey my brother's. even better than me and everybody was by. 100 times not by a little bit that's. crazy lot that's crazy why was he so. much. better I don't think was just. physique it was be a the way he moved. move put his weight the way to position.

himself so it's all position wasn't. people say oh because he was Stronger he. was more athletic nah he wasn't cuz. he I don't think he ever used strength. against me when with training it was not. like okay I'm stronger than you I'm. going to just rely on. strength it was just body weight to The. Knowing position in mov so he just had a. special talent yeah I'll say a special.

talent yes but that was so confusing for. us cuz we would hear like what his. brother's better than him like how is. this possible not by a little bit by a. lot. like it's crazy but HOA too yeah and HOA. was lighter weight than me but you like. like you said H sparting with h is like. a grab me salmon. he's all over the place he like ah and. he's little man it's like well he was.

the most successful in tournaments right. yes and he used to win the open weight. divisions mhm and fighting all the heavy. weights and H was a beast man what a. family you have I mean what a family all. of them bunch of studs all of them. everyone henzo including the girls sure. look at K yeah now sure sure look at K. look at even the one they're not. involved on teaching dude they're.

vicious it's just so incredible that. this one family produced so many. champions there's never been anything. like it in all of Combat Sports there's. never been anything even remotely close. there's no even second place that you. could bring up oh well you know there's. a few times where two brothers were. really good at fighting you know but. it's never been anything like you guys. bunch of brothers and cousins yeah. everybody uncles yeah everybody yep I. mean when you heard the name Gracie.

everybody's like oh [ __ ] it's going to. be a. problem like I think it was Hansel that. said once hman are another the beast on. the family oh yeah um said we are not a. family we're a factory of. Fighters yeah ways yeah yeah I mean so. many hyen henzo I mean just so many so. many it's just really incredible when. you really stop and think about it and. the amount of people.

that we all create mhm that came to. learn from us at one point yeah it's. extraordinary it really is when you. watch um Jiu-Jitsu now you know do you. do you watch Jiu-Jitsu like noge. Jiu-Jitsu do you watch these. guys when you see guys like Gordon Ryan. I'm not big in tournament Gordon Ryan's. awesome man that's his belt up there. that's his Abu. dhab we met up with a friend of ours uh.

Derek we met up with him we were. teaching him in Chicago and he very. respectful Gordon Ryan came up like man. can we roll a little bit like sure let's. roll wasn't too long ago maybe I'm a. year ago last than a year ago and the. guy's a beast man it's like Fu I was. like I know of him yeah so he's very. respectful we're going very light and. he's going easy on me and I was like. okay go ahead catch me and he wouldn't.

really and he turned around and I can. feel him giving to me it's like no you. take me without talking mhm and I was. like there's no way I'm going to take. cuz it wouldn't be believable there's no. way I can tap him and I'm okay and I. give it to him back something and he's. like pretend he doesn't see and he. something back to that's the point that. I start laughing was like dude. really I'm giving the arm and he's.

giving me the neck and I'm giving the. triangle he's giv me this we like both. give each other but very respectful man. that's funny we talk want talk about. discipline that guy works out. 365 days a year there's no Christmas. Christmas [ __ ] you your birthday [ __ ]. you every day they train every day I. told him people misunderstanding what. he's saying he's challenging. people I said that's good. yeah um that's what my family did you.

say you good I'm say I'm good there the. only one we find out yeah and I told him. keep doing it cuz that'll push people. you see y that's us training we're going. so Li he's going so easy on me and I'm. giving to him go ahead catch me and he. like put the hand and doesn't catch me I. was like really and then he'll give me. something I was like okay you take it I. was like no take. it nice and smooth and slow but that's. the thing that he's capable of rolling.

like that cuz he's so [ __ ] strong but. he doesn't use it you know it's just all. technique and movement you know and. understanding and obviously he came from. henzo school you know John Doner taught. him and Doner came from henzo you know. it's like it's all that same lineage but. there's a lot of good talent people over. there out there right now oh my God it's. incredible like the level of just. Jiu-Jitsu now is so high you know Mikey. musi and you know the Ruto brothers and.

all these different guys out there there. just so much high level that trains with. him with Gordon Ryan. um I can't remember his name right now. man but I heard the kid says I'm going. to catch you on the left arm and he. catch you on the left arm it's like [ __ ]. I'm going to catch the right. foot and he catch you and he tells you. how long and.

timing it's like wow that's impressive. yeah to be able to pull such a thing. it's not easy no well that's what guys. do when they get past the level of. everybody else right they just start. challenging themselves by giving. themselves one thing they're going to. try to do and I ask people around people. say Yep this kid which guy is. this a training partner for G Carlo who. is it do you know which guy it is fck I. can't remember the name but it's one of.

the guys that trained with Gordon Ryan. man he's on that level well there's very. high level guys now I mean it's just. it's SOC but it's also iron sharpens. iron you know these guys are so good now. and everybody's competing with guys that. are so good like you go to Abu Dhabi and. you watch the level it's just so they've. been doing little kids too so yeah. people in the beginning thought well The. Graces are good because. they keep in secret no no we just stick. to it we just start as a young age and.

we grew up on this MH well this is the. thing that Gordon always says he says my. Jiu-Jitsu is 10 years Advanced of. everybody so it does I can show you. everything I'm doing it doesn't matter. you're not going to catch me because I'm. in the gym 365 days a year discipline. discipline out to discipline what he. eats and yep it's uh John Doner talks. about uh Kaizen Kaizen is this uh. Japanese phrase for doing something over.

and over and over again just constantly. focusing on this one thing and. continuing to perfect it over and over. and over and over again that's what they. do and their thought is if you work out. five days a week but I work out seven. days a week in a month I've worked out. four times more than you in a year you. add that times 52 52 weeks you keep. going over and over and over again after. 10 years I have you know extra years of. training on you and when you think about.

it that way it's it's it's really the. way to do it if you want to really be. the best of the best and you know. there's a guy like Gordon out there that. is training 365 days a year like you. kind of have to and and we go back to. dagistan mhm same thing that's all they. do there's no Sundays for them yeah. there's no today's my birthday today's. it's holiday no there's no for them no. it's just discipline if you're not. getting better you're getting worse so. you got to have discipline that's what I.

tell everybody you got to have. discipline you can be the most talented. person without discipline you're not. going to stay on top forever yeah you. you know Mike Tyson said that you said. discipline without discipline you're. nothing and he said and discipline is. doing things that you hate to do but. doing them like you love. it yep yeah I just love it to do anyways. it is a lot I mean that's thing about. Jiu-Jitsu too it's so fun it's so much. fun to do even when you're losing it's.

fun I love a challenge man let's go for. a swim across DEA Bay okay fine let's. run 41 miles. climb climb Cactus with clouds okay no. problem speaking of challenges you. recently got into bow hunting how how. did that start how did you get into that. I know you met John Dudley and I know. you did John Dudley's podcast because I. listened to you with John Dudley and. John Dudley Tau me so he's he's an. amazing coach amazing AR when I first. met him he came up to me I was I went.

was shooting at the Black Rifle coffee. and the challenge I didn't know what I. was doing he came up to me it's like hey. come see me I'll make you a bow and I. was like who the [ __ ] is this guy man I. don't know you I was like who's this I. was looking around like I asked around. they're like he's the Hoist Grace of bow. hunting yeah he's the [ __ ] man so. went spend some time with him show me. some stuff made build me a bowl not like.

yours yours is how many pounds to pull I. have a 90 lb bow 90 PB I can even carry. that thing well it's not 90 PB the. pulling is 0 P I can even carry that P. mine is like 60 60 is good enough but if. you can pull 90 it's better yeah no I. don't have you I don't have the well. well the way I felt like you know people. say that there's a like a this. controversy in the Bow Hunting Community.

where they said you don't need 90 lb 70. lbs is all you ever need and I'm like. okay but 70 lbs for you is not 70 lbs. for me 70 lbs for me is easy 90 lbs for. me is not hard so 90 lbs for you is. almost impossible but 90 PBS for me is. pretty easy like I there's a video of me. pulling my 95lb bow back I just [ __ ]. pull it back cuz I lift a lot of Weights. so if you lift lot of weights and you. have all this muscle why not use it yep. I mean I agree if that's a lot more. power I was shooting a with the 95lb bow.

I was shooting a 520 grain Arrow at 301. fet per second when that thing [ __ ]. hits man that is going through. everything the amount of penetration you. get with a bow like that is insane and. that kind of power it's like if you. that's better because if you hit bone. going in you're going to go through the. bone it's going to go through everything. you're not going to worry about. penetration you're not going to worry. about lethality it's going to be very. lethal so you wouldn't use I wish I had.

those muscles so I can p a 90 lb how. start lifting weights let's go start. lifting weights I do a lot of rows a lot. of chin-ups but if you could you know if. you could do that and it's not hard I. always say pull the thing back that you. could shoot like I shoot I have an 80lb. bow that I practice with and I'll shoot. that bow for three hours I'll be out my. yard for three hours just shoot shooting. hundreds of arrows man I love but it. took forever I love.

guns any kind of weapons swords bows. you've got a Taran tactical too right. yep yeah that's great right is that. place great he's awesome he's he's. Awesome's amazing good teacher too oh. amazing teacher he knows how to push you. to yeah yeah yeah it's just it's again. it's like learning from a real master. you know and seeing like when you see. him shoot you're like Jesus Christ he's. like like fast fast super accurate.

perfect technique you know and you see. that you go oh that's what it looks like. when it's done right you know but it got. into bow hunting a bow in general not. too long ago I'll would say four or five. years ago I start to play with it and. then when did you think about hunting oh. I've been hunting for a while I keep. that I keep that quiet yes you keep that. quiet because of Brazil no because. Brazil has a very anti-hunting attitude. as opposed to United States not just.

Brazil and thing gra family the gra. family a lot of them don't don't like. hunting and they give me a hard time and. oh my God you tell about your WhatsApp. group chat yeah they post a picture of. somebody was eating some sushi and. somebody post a picture in the in the. Brazilian barbecue place and and they. all post I post posting about eating and. I post a picture holding. elk there's no guns there's no blood.

everybody give me a hard time man crazy. Hypocrites [ __ ] give me a hard time I. give them an hour and then I came back I. was like there guys a bunch of. Hypocrites you all eat meat give me a. hard time so oh but then they start to. Oh but you just kill for the fun no I. did not the meat is at my house the HIDs. is at my house the heads at my house in. The Leftovers the guts that we don't eat. the other animals went to eat so I had.

to educate a lot of them on that yeah. that's the thing most people are just. uneducated about it and they have this. this stereotype view of hunting as being. this cruel thing that people do for fun. no I I do it for the meat because I want. to eat it's the best meat in world if if. I'm not going to eat I don't kill it not. going to shoot a cat of course I don't. eat cats right exactly yeah people have. uh asked me to do some hunts where they. don't eat the meat I'm like yeah yeah.

like there's some like there's a. helicopter hog hunts they do they fly. around a helicopter they shoot wild pigs. out of a helicopter I'm. like I know you have to do it you can. you can go back and get it well you. could but I mean how many of them you. going to get like one day they shot 250. of them like no I'm not that man you. you're not going to really Butcher and. and some of them they donate to um. hunters for the hungry which is a great. organization that uh feeds a lot of uh. homeless shelters and stuff and they'll.

take that meat and bring it to a butcher. shop and give it to Hungry people and. it's very good meat it's the best meat. for you but when you're shooting out of. a helicopter and shooting 250 pigs. you're not you're not going to go and. take those pigs I bring them anywhere. have friend of ours in Texas that take. us out to have his helicopter M Ryan. Ashcraft and we shoot but then we go. back down we collect we don't shoot the. like 205 we shoot a cple four or five. you see we go back get the best ones we.

cut it up and take the meat and oh wow. boar is delicious so good bar sometimes. we even sometimes we even give out to. churches and and they take care of feed. people that's great yeah that's great. but Wild game meat man it is the best. meat in the world when I eat it I just. like w it's not just the best but the. feeling of you went there yes you got. that meat yes it's something that you. brought home you went got with your you.

you went hunting and hunting I tell. people all the time it's not. catching I would say 70% of the time I. come back home with. nothing so it's not every time that I go. out that I come back with something no. it's very difficult it's it's a I would. say for me is about 70% of the time man. I come back home empty-handed yeah but. it's like okay I was there for a whole. day peace of mind there's no cell phones.

there's nothing there's no nobody bother. me it's difficult you're in the woods. you're hiking yeah you need endurance I. mean you need strong legs to get you. around those mountains I mean the first. time I ever went hunting uh I got that. mu deer with my friend Steve Rell he. took me hunting in Montana and I was in. really good shape and I was like you. know I do Jiu-Jitsu every day I'll be. fine walking up these Hills and I was. like this is [ __ ] hard like I didn't. think of it as a physical thing but.

Mountain hunting is very physical like. you have to be fit you have to be in. shape. it's it I just got back from bear. hunting in Idaho and up and down the. mountains yeah hot sun yep yeah up and. down the mountains Idaho that is rugged. terrain too very rugged beautiful. terrain too. last year my first elk that I got with. the. bow shot the elk with the bow 30 yard.

shot got the elk loaded up took it back. to the house we taking the skin. off and uh taking the skin and the. height and taking the meat and and I. went to help the guys 11 o'clock at. night there three of us I went to help. my friend to to to cut because you have. knives everywhere so as soon as I start. to lift the hide put my finger my hand.

on the wrong spot the guy cut my finger. to the. Bone so it's like okay he's like did I. cut you I was like yep the knife. touching the. bone went to a went to. um so the the other friends like hey do. you have a. uh hospital. inai he's like hospital is two hours. away you got a.

veterinarian vinar veterinar so he's. like no it's 11:00 at night everybody's. asleep man so he's like do you have uh. super glue he's like. no he's. like you got a stapler oh see staple it. that's crazy my finger oh my God put. four Staples on my fingers I was like. okay wow that's crazy but it worked it.

worked wow day and a half later I get. home. and my. son decide to take it off I have to take. the Staples off look what he's using to. take it off a pair of pliers from the. garage from the motorcycle pick up the. pliers there was no I can't believe my. still have my finger man we didn't clean. anything just he just pick up the pliers. and start to put the Staples and how how.

long after the injury was this that he. was doing this a day and a half later oh. okay so it kind of healed up a little. bit that was when I got back to Florida. yeah yeah it's like I was in Montana I. got back to Florida my son is like no. you're not going to the doctors I can. take I can take this off are you living. in Florida now yes where do you live. what part of Florida Sara no kidding. when did you move. there moved there about almost two years. ago what made you decide to do. that I can see myself getting arrested.

if I was in California really oh. California people so got so D I love. California don't take me wrong I think. California is the best state in the. world and I travel eight months of the. year I love California but the people. over there man they just get on your. face it's like this like this it's my. right to be here okay what are you going. to do about it. it's like dude my right knock your teeth. out oh my God he's violent call the cops. arrest him it's like people was like.

disrespectful got to a point you got. disrespectful it got weird right it's. it's it's hard and I and I love don't. take me I totally again I can't say. enough how much I love California it's. the only place where you could be in the. ocean and then in the mountains in an. hour and on the desert yeah in the. desert you can surf ski and spend the. night in the desert on the same climate. is beautiful and a lot of great people. there too but they've lost their [ __ ].

minds but the people that they're de and. like in and. so ah just to me it's disrespectful yeah. disrespectful and they've sort of uh. they've emboldened a lot of really. stupid people to act like idiots yeah. you know and and just the whole the way. they're dealing with the homeless. situation is [ __ ] insane you know. they've they've they've lost $24 billion. that they can't account for that was is.

that is that what the story is there was. some controversy about $24 billion. missing that they were that's allocated. towards the homeless crisis so yeah so I. just I was in the on the on the trip and. I called my son and I was like dude we. got to get out of here we got to get out. so all the kids are grown so everybody's. different. location yeah so how you pick Florida so. here it is California spent $24 billion. tackling homelessness over 5 years but.

didn't track if the money was helping. the state's growing number of unhoused. people so they spent $24 billion and. they can't they can't figure out what. the [ __ ] it. did God it's ridiculous and it's not. it's not getting better at all it's. getting worse every time I go back there. I'm like oh God it's worse and I only go. back like once a year now I go back once. a year and love it I hope it gets better. I would love to move back but it's not.

going to get better yeah I not going to. get better for a long time it's going to. it's going to take Generations I used to. joke with people and say I'm front line. of. resistance but yeah he got to a points. it's like man n it's too out of control. well it's also crazy things are. happening like a guy got arrested. because someone broke into his house and. he shot the guy and they arrested him. like okay you you can't even defend. yourself in your own home like what is. the [ __ ] point what's the point of. the Second Amendment what's the point of. having a firearm isn't it to protect.

your family are we are we supposed to. assume that someone is willing to break. into your home violently that that. person's not going to harm you you going. to call the police how long is the. police going to take to get there what. if you have a family what if you have. children what if you have a wife you're. supposed to just let this person break. into your house you can't do anything. about it it's insane because they're. hiring the most insane District. Attorneys and they're they're making it. easy and easier for people to get out of. jail who've committed violent crimes I. mean they've lost their [ __ ] minds. and I don't know how it comes back other.

than they have to get some hardcore. Republican governor who starts cleaning. things up and just cuts back on all the. waste and cuts back on all the [ __ ]. and just puts their foot down it's going. to take a long time but I have hope but. I have hope well that's beautiful I kind. of I got time I got plenty of time I'm. not going anywhere hope I hope that. you're right but I don't have that much. hope I just see the they're they're. indoctrinated into this liberal ideology.

and they just believe that this is the. only way to to think and behave and. until it bites them in the ass I've I've. met a lot of people there that I knew. that were really hardcore liberals. who've now completely turned around and. now they're Republican and now they've. moved out they moved to Tennessee they. moved to Florida they moved to Texas and. they're like no no no I see where this. is going but then like. sometimes I keep thinking what's the end. game what's the goal for the people they.

doing. this well the real question is who's. funding more power it's not even. necessarily more power I mean more money. you see it's like what's the end what's. the goal it's very confusing but I think. generally there are people genuinely. there are people that are funding this. that want to see Western Society. collapse like my daughter. was going to school in uh University of. Vermont beautiful over there but she.

already had it she's moving to Tampa now. really she's like to be closer to us. it's like. so people doing all this protests MH. against American Army yeah against it's. like she's like we have a son one of my. sons in the Army and she's like no so. she put an army shirt sweatshirt and. walk right through the protest and now. the girls will come over and give her. looks and and she would just look at.

them and people go yeah it's um silence. is violence flip them the finger like f. how about that for. violence silence is violence is one of. the dumbest [ __ ] things silence is. not violence violence is violence if you. say silence is violence you've never. seen violence yeah yeah unless someone's. being quiet while they're beating the. [ __ ] out of. you silence is just silence it's not.

violence violence is violence you. [ __ ] idiots like my God so she like. she had her over there she spent one. year she's like man I can't put up with. this anymore the teacher was talking. trash about she's like I didn't pay to. hear the teacher political belief yeah. yeah so she would get up and leave class. and it's like she's like I had it it's. just I'm done I'm moving I was like all. right let's go it happens everywhere I. mean it even happens here you know there.

there's certain teachers that just feel. that they have this uh ability to. enforce their political beliefs on kids. and they'll be very angry at you one got. kicked out of school here because he had. to make America great again hat on would. just whether or not you support Donald. Trump the sentiment behind making. America great that should be everybody. should be on board with that the idea. that making America great great in a hat. is offensive to people it's like what. how help me out it's not you know you're.

not saying anything bad you're saying. make America great wouldn't it be. awesome if America was great who. disagrees with that how could you. disagree with that great means everybody. does well your family does well the. streets are clean everyone's safe. there's less crime less violence more. jobs that's great why would you be. against that how could you be that and. how could you think that that sentiment. is offensive that's what's so Twisted. about the world that we're living in. today and that's why sometimes I keep.

thinking again what's the end game what. is in for the whoever is behind all this. right more money more power more than. what they have already it's like I don't. know to destroy Society for what what's. the purpose I don't know that's why I. keep thinking see it's like I wish I. knew I wish it made sense it doesn't. make sense to I I think it's a lot of it. is influenced by Foreign governments I. think foreign governments influence. universities by uh supporting people.

with very ridiculous ideologies and then. making sure that those people with. ridiculous ideologies enforce those. things in children and then you have. social media Which social media is also. propped up especially Tik Tok which is. essentially owned by China and they. promote all these ridiculous things and. these things get into kids heads and. they're on Tik Tok every day and then. they start thinking that this is the. only way to think and behave but the way. I H sometimes I first year because it's.

like the way I think in the business of. martial art. business if your school have a 100. student or a thousand students doesn't. make a difference to. me I prefer that you succeeding have a. thousand students yeah what would be the. goal for me to make you have no students. do you see it's like I want you to go. cuz if you grow I grow right but then.

it's like a on the world. society and people trying to destroy one. country trying to destroy the other for. what well you're thinking logically more. power to have more power to have it's. also it's also people are trapped in an. ideology they're trapped in this woke. mindset you can call it woke whatever. you want to call it but this IDE ology. of what we're seeing with these young. ridiculous kids in universities today. it's like they're trapped in this way of.

thinking and they don't think about the. end game first of all cuz they're very. young and they don't know anything and. they want to rebel against society which. all young people want to do they want to. rebel against the people that are older. and they want to think that they know. better than the people that are older. and then eventually they get older and. as they get older they start to realize. you know what I think the problem is. people are [ __ ] lazy you know what I. think the problem is people don't have. discipline you know what I think the. problem is people don't plan for the. future people don't work hard they don't. like everybody should have the.

opportunity to work hard and get better. and move ahead and try to try to better. your life and better the life of your. family and if you think that way you're. going to have a good Society but if you. think that Society is evil it's all. colonists and that that we got to. destroy it and take it all down and. capitalism is evil okay what are you. going to replace it with me you they. didn't even thought this through what. are you going to replace him with. Communism you ever been to a communist. country it's [ __ ] hell and you know. what happens in a communist country you.

have to enforce it how do you enforce it. with the military and if nobody's armed. but the military now you have a. dictatorship now you have a brutal. military dictatorship that decides what. you can and can't do that's what Cuba. has just sides for you yeah that's what. venezuel saying whatever no say no say. that's what China has that's what North. Korea has like good luck good luck with. that there's plenty of examples of that. none of them are good there's no. examples of Communism working anywhere. where it's for the betterment of. everybody one thing that that com to.

America from Brazil it. was a lot of like in Brazil they put you. down a lot I remember when I won the. UFC there's a thousand guys that'll do. better than him this is nothing. everybody was like H it's not a lot of. people like yeah his accomplishments not. not that big of a deal different than. America they push you up yeah you see. they change their mentality now in.

Brazil oh really but back then used to. be like this that's that's interesting. that the mentality changed why did the. mentality change in Brazil don't know. but the change I can see that. now people trying to push you up now. instead but back then when I won it was. like nah it's no big deal these are guys. that do much better than him and they. came mve and they got beat up over here. badly in the UFC but that's one thing. that attracted American culture was like.

they're trying to always push you up it. seems like that change now they're. trying to push you down now in some. places in some circles yeah but there. there's still quite a few people in. America that still believe that oh yeah. I think that's more prevalent here than. anywhere else in the world this attitude. that we want people to succeed we. celebrate success but then this whole. thing what's going on right now it's. almost like they want to crash it's like. why it's usually losers losers who don't.

have anything going on and they want. other people to be losers as well they. don't want people to succees and also. they connect success with the worst. examples of success like they connect. the idea of financial successed with. people being oppressed obviously people. being oppressed is terrible but all. financial success is not oppression. that's ridiculous like if you have a. school like for example if you have a. Jiu-Jitsu gym if you have a Jiu-Jitsu. Academy and you have a thousand students.

there's nothing oppressive about that. success that's all beneficial it's. beneficial to your students it's. beneficial to you because if you have a. thousand people then you have a place. that's run well and you have uh St you. have staff you have people that are. employed there and also you have plenty. of classes so I can get a class at 6:30. in the morning before I go to work 6:0. :0 a.m. class I'm done by 8 I shower up. I'm in the office at 9:00 I feel good I. got something done today and I'm getting.

better at Jiu-Jitsu like woo this is. amazing you know and then you have. classes all day long and everybody's. getting better and the level is high. because there's guys that are good in. the gym so you get excited and you're. thinking about your game you think about. constantly improving that's not imp. there's nothing oppressive and the. person who runs that gym they're making. a good living and they feed their family. and they have a nice house there's. nothing impressive other people yes. there's nothing impressive about that. success we're not talking about the. success of like the military-industrial. complex or like you know the oil.

companies polluting the ocean no you're. talking about there's a lot of people. that work hard and their success is not. even remotely oppressive so when people. connect all capitalism to degradation of. the environment and controlling of. people and oppressing people that's. ridiculous that's just a fool hearty way. of looking at the world. yeah it's. a like I said if your school. have no students or a thousand students.

I don't make any more money right so but. I want you to have a thousand students. It's like because if you have a thousand. students if I come to. teach if you don't have any students if. you don't have any students I'm I'm not. going to come over exactly so but I want. you to succeed yeah ex so I want to fill. up your school are you um primary doing. do you do like seminars now do a lot of. seminar seminars but I'm building a. school in s oh nice nice I haven't had a.

school I used to teach with horon until. 2000 then I stopped teaching at the. school at the Academy at the Grace. Academy and just went to do. seminars but now I'm building a school. for my son and I oh wow that's great I. love to. travel to see the world but I'm going to. build a building a we got a place a. location already just waiting for. permits oh that's great be my first. headquarters that's great that's going. to be awesome boy that's going to be.

successful and the location is awesome. boy hoist Gracie school in Florida wof. that's going to be big right away I mean. I bet first day you'll be full yep we. got a we got a lot of SPS already just. on the standby ready to go waiting for. us yes how long do you think before you. open about good eight months nice we're. just waiting for the final permits and. then you start building we're going to. tear down the building and then build up. the build up is fast it's just a permit. takes forever in s in Florida yeah takes.

forever a lot of places and how big is. this place going to. be big enough big enough very big yes. yeah we're talking three floors oh wow. so is it going to be different things in. there like um yeah what is the pl do you. want you want to give the full details. not yet not yet not yet okay well you. let me know yeah let me know when you're. about to open we'll let everybody know. the location is awesome that's great. five minutes from the beach oh that's. beautiful that's exciting that's very.

exciting that must be really exciting to. look forward to something like that five. minutes from the beach too beach in. Florida's got a lot ofu my my son n no. sharks on the Sharks on the East Coast. right oh are they I'm on the west coast. the West Coast Co we in the in the Gulf. aren't there sharks in the Gulf too the. Sharks don't like Brazil Brazilians man. no maybe they shocks for you but. Brazilians they look at brazili n. they're like Italians they don't like.

Brazilian that's hilarious I don't think. they can tell the difference between us. buddy and they look at me like hold on. it's too many too many bones on this one. man I'll choke on this one let me get. that meaty one over there with all the. muscles look at that that's a [ __ ]. shark that's Sarasota Jesus Christo. that's a shark in Sarasota it's not a. shark that's a pet oh my god look he. came on the boat man we feed those. [ __ ] head we hand feed those look at. that Jesus Christ we swim with those.

across what is that thing doing just. pulling up to someone's boat oh my God. saying hi that's those are. Pats [ __ ] sharks do you surf no not as. not like h no hoer surfs a lot is he in. San Diego still H in San Diego lot of. down there he serves a lot he goes to. Bali every year spend a month over there. there's sharks down there bro yeah there. a lot of sharks down there San Diego. yeah sharks everywhere man like there.

was a group of people that were training. for a triathlon and they were in the. ocean doing a swim and one of them got. killed by a great white and my friend. went swimming there the next. day cuz he had to prepare for the swim. that he was the shock was already. stomach full so I don't know if I get. full that easy I think they keep. eaten I and I don't think he probably. told his friends hey I got a swimmer the. other day. lot swimmers over here L of swimmers. over there yeah that scares the [ __ ] out. of me sharks scare the [ __ ] out of.

me that's the like Bears to me are not a. scarest sharks if there's Bears you got. a gun you got bear spray you know what. you're doing you're careful I think you. probably you know hey the bear is. hunting you too that's true you could. you could well it depends on what kind. of bear too right if you run into a bear. and they move so quiet man for yeah I. know for such a big 200 lb 250 lbs you. don't hear them coming right behind you.

when you were bear hunting were you. using bow or rifle this one was was. rifle I haven't done a bear bow hunting. yet cuz that's a very close shot man. yeah M as far as I can go is like 30 35. is pushing for me mhm yeah so I'm not as. proficient on the bow yet so yeah you. have a a range in your yard where you. can practice no I don't do you have a. yard that's big how big is your yard not. that big how far got pull got a pull.

like how much distance do do you have. that you could shoot in your yard 10 oh. 10 yards yeah 20 it's like it's it's. floor where I am the the yard's open I. see so the neighbors be like yeah like. hey hey hey don't point that bat to us. even though it's Florida it's like yeah. is there a an archery range near you no. no hav't found one yet yeah so where do. you go to. practice when I go man oh only when you.

hunt oh that's crazy yeah that's why you. can only shoot 30 yards I I'll I'll get. there and I'll practice shootting for. like two days a day two days and. practice and let's go I jump I jump. first and I figure it out. later that would freak me out cuz I I. have to practice when I go hunting like. say like if I'm like 5 weeks out I'm. shooting hundreds of arrows every day. for five weeks I want to make sure.

because I've shot like the it's kind of. like the swim I swim about maybe 10. times and then swim across Tempa Bay but. I want to feel confident like if I have. a 75 yard shot on an elk I want to be. confident that I can make that shot 75. yeah I've shot an elk at 75 yards yeah. I've shot an elk at 80 yards we saw some. elk last year about uh 89 yards but I. was like nah it's you have finally came. 30 yards if they're not moving if you.

know they're feeding and they're not. moving and there's no wind and you know. you practice at 100 and you know you can. make it but you have to be like you know. what it's like it's like when I'm like. a high level purple belt brown belt in. Bow Hunting I'm not a black belt I'm a. white belt yeah yeah 30 yards is good. for white belt white belt with one. stripe yeah I found the spot Sarasota. Archers look at this you can go too I. don't know how good it is but you could. send me that address private club.

requiring membership hey Sarasota. archers why don't you let in the goat ho. Gracie needs a place to practice that's. nice I'm sure they will yeah I'm sure. they'll let you that'd be great there. you go now we got your spot so now you. just go there just you just you only. need a few hours a day just you just. need that muscle memory you need that. feel that feel of the relaxed shoulder. and just just no anticipation of the. shot pulled through to me it's I have to. get that ingrained in my head that.

technique it has to just be over and. over and over again where it's ingrained. in my head so that when I'm drawing on. an animal it's just it's just I'm I know. exactly what to do there's no questions. sometimes it's almost like shooting mhm. I shoot quite a. bit sometimes done some um competition M. and I see the guys is studying and. looking at the Target and Shooters ready. and they're concentrating the target.

when they say shooter is ready I Look. Away mhm so set go I look up and shoot. it just pick it up and find it yeah but. don't you think that because you've. fought so many times and because of all. your years of jiujitsu and all like. things like shooting and things that. involve technique and concentration like. they they come naturally. I think so yeah I think so too I think. so it's like. a I'm very.

patient I know how to control my. breathing I don't get excited right you. see like when I draw for the Elk it was. a it was a cow I. draw it was the last day of hun we were. like four day four days hunting that the. elk man [ __ ] I drawn the cow a bow. showed up so so I just turned fire on. the ball it was like but I was going to. shoot a cow I was like I got to take. some meat home man it's been 4 days.

chasing nothing came close and that cow. came close 30 yards and as soon as the. cow got in front of me I draw and the B. came over just turned just perfect shot. bam done what kind of broadheads are you. using oh that was um the local guy the. the farm where I was give me the. broadheads. um I can't remember which mechanical or. is a fixed Broadhead it mechanical rage. mechanical was it a rage it was the the.

blade one. probably yeah I like those John Dudley. has his own um Broadhead now he made. like a better version of a rage like a. more durable sharper version of a rage. it's a G5 is making them it's called the. t2 it's a new mechanical that he. designed that John designed that they're. just they're just starting to release. now I think they just started to sell. but he's he sent me some prototypes I. like it a. lot it's a great broad yeah yeah the guy. that farm where I was he supplied that.

was last year so where was that Montana. oh nice. um yeah great Great Falls mhm yes a lot. of ela. Montana Montana's so. beautiful and deer and got everything. isn't it just so amazing being out there. too in the wild just it's so peaceful. even if I don't hunt if I don't catch I. tell the guys when they take me out they. sometimes I feel the under pressure of. catching some like dude if I don't catch.

anything I'm happy yeah just being here. it's like awesome just a Pursuit and. knowing that you know sometimes you're. going to go home empty-handed it's. difficult it's a very difficult thing to. do that's what makes it good like I said. 70% of the time I come home with nothing. yeah but that's that's part of why it's. fun because it's hard to do and some. people don't understand that they just. want results but then when I eat it's. like I got this yeah yep I cooked some. milk the other night and and as I was.

cooking and I was thinking like yeah I I. remember where I was I remember where I. was 52 yards shot down into a canyon. perfect shot I watched the elk go 30. yards pile up I watched it die I went up. quartered it carried it out we carried. it over the mountain got it into a 4x4. drove it back to the lodge took apart I. I remember everything about it so like. being there I have photos I have photos. of the impact shot of photos of the.

animal you know it's like in my mind. this this meal is like has a history and. I taught all my kids to them all I. didn't teach I took them out and local. guys who teach them how to hunt from a. young age all of them that's great how. to skin a deer yeah how to stab a hog. with a knife oh Jesus That's Heavy to. stabbing the hog is wild that's the hog. hunting with dogs is with dogs in a. knife the first time I took my daughter.

ask her she was maybe 13 12 13 I asked. her hey do you want to go she's like no. dad I'm going to stay on the. ATV okay so I'm over there I'm stabbing. the hug and I when I back off I I look. and she had her knife open behind me. she's waiting there and I was like oh. you decide to come she's like no. in case the dog the hog got you that I. would I would have jump on him and catch. stab him for you I like okay you didn't.

want to do it but you were backing me up. you're my back up nice that's nice all. my boys they all did it from a young age. everybody start it's a good thing to. learn and it's alsoo and the best meat. that you could ever eat the best meat. the best meat in terms of like the. healthiness of it how good it tastes. it's so good for you and. shooting teaching them from a young age. they all respect the gun MH they all. respect the the weapon yeah I think.

everybody should know how to shoot a gun. worst case scenario you should always. know how to defend yourself you should. always know how to operate a gun you at. least you should know gun safety you. should understand yes what the gun can. do yes so they all respect that they all. they all know how to check and how to. point and from a young age they all. learn that at home that's beautiful it's. very important there's a lot of people. that are scared of guns and that's just. because of ignorance they just don't.

understand yeah you. yeah I love my guns. man what the laws in Brazil are very. different right you can't just you. cannot buy guns very hard I think the. max you can get is a 380 caliber so a. hunting rifle no no no hunting rifles. well 380s oh 380 the handgun oh oh okay. the 380 small small before small than 9.

MIM a 9 mm is considered to be a a. military weapon really so you can't buy. 9 millimet 45 nothing above that wow. shotgun if you own a farm yes but no. hunting rifles no none of that no 223s. and ARs and that sucks nope it's very. hard man very hard it's almost. impossible to buy it but all the bad bad. guys have it yeah great it's.

unbelievable ter they got. RPGs grenades and Jesus Christ yeah but. you cannot buy guns in Brazil very hard. and take a long time and the price is. like wow $500 gun over here in America. over there will cost 2,000. wow so when you come to America and you. have this ability to just buy guns cuz. of the Second Amendment is pretty. nice very nice yeah especially if you're.

in a place like Florida that really. supports the Second Amendment yeah I'm. not in California California is nuts. well in California they're starting to. hand out concealed carry uh permits to. people in Los Angeles again because the. crime is so bad and they realize like. but you if you if you shoot somebody. you're going to go to jail yeah even. though you ins your house I know and. they walk in and they have guns you. shoot them it's your fault what's crazy. is if you shoot them you'll go to jail.

but if they break into your house and. they rob you and beat you up they'll get. right out if they get arrested they'll. put them right back out on the street. yeah it's it's insane it's almost like. it's designed to destroy Society like if. you wanted to destroy Society that's how. you would do it h yeah it's pretty. [ __ ] up and and if I I keep telling. people if America Falls I think the. whole world will fall the rest of the. world will fall yeah maybe that's the. plan is where would you go right there's.

no place that has this kind of Freedom. leave America where would you go it's. like it would be it's it's tough to pick. a place I used to think Australia but. then I saw how they handled the pandemic. I was like oh [ __ ] that well that's what. happens when no one has guns yep the. Army just rolls in and tells you what to. do and puts you in concentration camps. because you have a cold like it's crazy. where would you go it's like that's the. question I ask my kids and let them. think for a little bit and it's where in.

America you're going to go cuz outside. man it's tough yeah it's a tough world. out there yeah well a person like. yourself that's been everywhere you. really kind of do understand that this. is a special place we're very fortunate. to be here it's like that's why I. defended yeah that. Pro. police Pro Army me too yeah see I defend. the cops and the Army and yep well it's.

also from Jiu-Jitsu we know a lot of. police officers we know a lot of army. people we know a lot of military people. because they're always training yes and. traveling the way I. travel I'm not home to defend my family. so who's going to defend them right it's. the police so I'm I'm in favor of them. yeah yes so I try to help them out as. much as I can yeah who's going to defend. is going to be the the police the Army. they're going to defend if some crazy.

country decide to invade us it's not. going to be the average Joe next to Next. Door that're gonna come over and. no you gotta be Joe Rogan to get his bow. and be Rumble out. there shooting bows at nine yards. yard I'll be like I'll wait until they. get a little. closer too that Sarasota archers Club.

you practice your long range shots. they're too far I'll wait a little bit. Yeah well listen ho you're a legend and. uh it was a great running into you at. the UFC I'm so glad we got a chance to. talk to each other because I've been. wanting to make contact with you get you. on the podcast for a long time I'm glad. we finally did it man and uh I. appreciate you very much and when the. school open up Florida you got to come. over [ __ ] yeah I will come I will come. choke me out once. once sounds good thank you brother I. appreciate you very much thanks for.

being here all right bye everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].