JRE MMA Show #151 with Bo Nickal

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe. Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan. podcast by night all. day what's up Bo how are you good happen. I was going to ask you we were just. looking at that photo of Carell and. talking about the Soviet program and the. doping program did you ever see that. movie uh Icarus yeah I did watch that. [ __ ] wild crazy I thought it was just. insane too how.

it didn't even really start off the way. that it ended like he wasn't even really. trying to like figure all the stuff out. he just like fell into it right total. dumb luck yeah but I mean since I I. wrestle my whole life and stuff and pay. attention to the international scene. it's like it's not really a secret like. everybody kind of knows right just like. that's the first legitimate real proof. that somebody's kind of come out with. but I mean everybody kind of knew like. that's what's going on but that was so. insane though that they had a whole hole.

in the wall where they were handing. through the dirty urine and getting back. clean urine and then submitting that and. if it wasn't for microanalysis of the. jars then they realized oh the Soviets. had figured well wasn't the Soviets was. the Russians had figured out some way to. to open up these unopenable jars CU they. had scratched them in little places yeah. yeah I mean they freaking they want to. win really bad and it's like for them.

two it's a it's a different level like. uh the guys that that won that were very. successful um maybe 10 15 20 years ago. those guys are like big government. positions and stuff like like in U in. the US you win the Olympics and. wrestling you win like a quarter million. bucks and it's a big deal for like a. month and you kind of move on but over. there it's like you're kind of set for. life so it's like yeah it's like a. different it's a completely different uh. kind of motivation I think yeah what is. it like competing when you know that. there's like state sponsored programs.

that are involved in these other. countries doping up their athletes it's. pretty weird you know I think that. because like I said I kind of grew up. you grow up with the understanding of it. knowing like this is kind of the way it. works uh you just you're ready for it. you're prepared you understand but and. I'm sure I've competed against a lot of. guys that were doping and doing stuff. but the one experience that I had that. was like uh really kind of prominent in. my mind so I wrestled this dude I I. Wrestled a tournament in Rome this was a.

few years ago and I was trying to go up. from I was in between weights so my. weight was uh 86 kilos or 97 kilos I was. and I was kind of having a little. trouble with my lower back so I was like. I don't want to cut I just want to like. get bigger and so I came in and I was. weighing uh like 210 which the weight. class is 213 97 kilos and I was like. I'll be fine like I'll be good and uh I. rolled up uh to this second round match. and I was wrestling this Iran Iranian. dude and my co my coaches weren't there.

with me so I had like some different. coaches and they didn't really warn me. who this dude was I had Wrestled a. number one Iranian guy a few months. earlier and I Tech I teched him like I. killed him so I was like I'm going to. smash this Ste I don't even I don't give. a crap this dude comes out he's like two. inches taller than me freaking jacked as. hell and uh does a forward roll and like. squat jump and his feet are like over my. head and I'm like what the hell is going. on here and we're just this random. tournament in Rome and I'm wrestling. some dude that I don't even know and he.

he killed me it's the only time I've. ever Wrestled a match where like I. really got whipped like he single leg. took me down gut wrenched me and and he. came down from probably like 235 like he. was way bigger than me and uh then I got. off the mat and I was like what the just. happened and uh then the coach like oh. oh yeah this guy was a World um silver. medalist World bronze medalist like five. years ago but the last five years he got. banned he he got popped and so he hadn't. competed in 5 years he' just been.

freaking training and Juiced and then he. actually the next round he beat my. teammate Kyle Snyder who was Olympic. gold medalist the exact same way like. like smoked us both and I was like what. the hell is going on here so then World. Championship that year comes along and. now they're getting tested and he like. went 0 and one so yeah yeah I was like. all right like so I kind of like felt. bad about myself at first I was like. damn I suck and then I was like all. right well it is what it is whatever. have you ever heard of the enhanced. games uh no it's a thing they're trying.

to do um where I guess what they're. doing is they're allowing athletes and. they're going to do it at the same time. as the Olympics okay and they're. allowing athletes to juice and they're. doing it supposedly responsibly with. doctors involved and they're trying to. break all the records yeah I like it I I. think they I like that let's do it and. just be honest about it like yo this is. the deal this we do let's freaking see.

how far we can go cuz I mean I think. that's I don't know I I like that. stuff's interesting to me the. optimization of like human performance. right like how far can you get so like. let's do it that'd be fun yeah it's it's. interesting right cuz like you think. about that guy the Iranian that you. wrestled like how much of an advantage. is it like what you know you never know. because a guy like that's probably been. juicing his entire athletic career for.

sure but like what is the advantage like. do you ever wonder like. oh Qui I I've thought about it um as far. as the advantages I I never have been. interested in in trying anything like. that just it's not really the culture. like what what I'm around in wrestling. in American wrestling Nobody Does that. well I won't say nobody but 99% of guys. really aren't doing that especially. because we get tested a lot like in. collegia athletics and stuff and it's. just something that is kind of very look. down upon in what we do but it is.

interesting to think about. like what would what would I be like if. if I was doing these things like like I. I can compete at such a high level. already and and I have you know I think. that my biggest asset in uh wrestling. and in fighting is my mind imagine like. my body was was and and I think that you. know with with time I just I'm very. disciplined and do things a certain way. I'm going to get to as close as that as. I could be but there is this other like.

level that's kind of unnatural where. it's interesting to think about but you. know while I'm competing and stuff I. just I don't even really it's it's it's. obviously not an option and uh you know. but at the end of the day I'm probably. going to be I've probably have compet. against a lot of guys that are Juiced up. and I will we'll see what the UFC's drug. testing programs like since you saw his. end over at the end of the year but it. is what it is man it's just like I'm I'm. pretty confident myself self regardless.

and uh if I'm got to fight a dude that's. Juiced up um and you're willing to kind. of take a back door to try to get an. advantage and win I think that you're. probably cutting Corners in a lot of. other areas as well which I'm not doing. so you know that's something that um I. feel okay with the thing is when a guy. is not cutting corners and juicing and. has talent I just think that if they're. if they're willing to do that if we're. willing to go outside the rules and do. that to me that's kind of a like they're.

trying to get an unfair advantage that's. like kind of a a character thing right. like they want to get that Advantage so. um to me that means like they're fearful. that they wouldn't be able to do it. without it now they're you know yeah. they might be doing everything right but. I know that in their mind like there's a. little weakness there to me and and I. can I can take advantage of that and. capitalize on that because at the end of. the day I'm going to do every single. little thing right I'm going to make. sure my sleep's on point make sure my. nutrition's on point and not only am I. going to do this for a camp but I'm. doing this all the time and I've been.

doing this since I was a little kid so. you know take what you want do do do all. that stuff but you're not going to. outwork 20 years 20 plus years in in the. short amount of time that you have to. you know prepare for me so that that's. kind of my mindset around it and it's. just the reality of this situation like. I'm going to fight guys that are. probably doing stuff that isn't you know. that I'm not doing well I believe that. the new uh UFC drug doping program is. going to be real similar to usada. they're just not going to do the dumb.

[ __ ] like wake people up the morning of. the weigh-ins and things along those. lines unfortunately they're still not. going to let them take certain things. that just like peptides things that will. enhance their body's ability to heal. which I really think they should yeah. yeah like bpc stuff like that yeah you. know I think there there's stuff out. there that it's not really like hormonal. changes it's not giving you that type of. Advantage just helping you get healthy. yeah like we we we all want to be. healthy and you know we're I for me it's.

like that comes from from diet from. supplements from nutrition and it's like. you know I'm doing everything I can and. I still finish some sessions and I'm. like Frick yeah I mean I got a freaking. black eye right now like yeah like uh. it's not like uh you know we're not. putting our bodies through a lot you're. putting your bodies through so much I. mean it's literally a sport about. breaking other people's bodies with your. body yeah yeah it's it's the most insane. thing to pursue I think about it.

sometimes and I have this part of me. that's. pretty pretty rational and I think like. uh you know all right I'm going out in. front of all these people and like. putting my health on the line and this. and that and at the end of the day it's. like uh you know you look at it at a. business perspective and it's almost. like a circus right like you you know. I'm I'm putting myself out there and. it's entertainment and but like I'm the. one that has the real consequences and. stuff and I'm like why am I doing this. this is so crazy. and then the the other part of me the.

bigger part of me is like I love this. [ __ ] like this is the best like let's do. it again again constant battle inside. your mind CU I don't know I'm I feel. like in not I don't mean to like toot my. own horn but I was I'm a college. graduate I had a lot of opportunities. like there's a lot of things I could be. doing I could be pretty much doing. anything I could be you know coaching I. could be in business I could be doing. whatever I want to do but I'm choosing. to do this and uh there's a lot of like. lot more consequences you know on the on.

the negative end of what I'm doing now. but I just freaking love it I just love. it so much well the the victory the. feeling of victory has got to just be. the ultimate payoff for all that it's. unreal man so you know I mean you you. you've fought so you understand but like. when I was wrestling and I would pin. somebody in front of you know 10 20,000. people the crowd's going nuts freaking. out this and that it's like that's an.

amazing feeling and then come to the. UFC that same big stage even even bigger. stage millions of people watching. worldwide knock a guy out cold it's like. you can't beat that it's amazing when. did you um decide or when did you even. entertain the idea of transitioning to. MMA so I always love fighting and it was. always like a fan of the UFC you know I. probably started watching when I was I. don't know 11 12 and it was not my.

family we' we'd go to Buffalo Wild Wings. on Saturday we watch the fights or you. know we'd get the pay-per-view at home. and uh it was always something that I. was like I I could do that and like me. and my friends would would fight and. stuff or we'd fight other kids just for. fun and so it was always something that. was kind of in the back of my mind and. you know really through through High. School through Early College I was I'm. wrestling I'm focused on wrestling and. then uh I did a camp at a in uh Missouri. and I was teaching wrestling all day and. then this Dad came up to me and was like.

Hey man uh we're doing a Jiu-Jitsu class. after this would you want to come and. try it out and I was like yeah yeah sure. like I'm down let's go and uh so I I go. in and they just kind of I rolled around. with all the guys and I was like dude. this is fun like I I love this I'm. really I have to fight it was just that. one class kind of one class well I was. always interested in it and I always. play around and then I actually like. kind of I hadn't done it for a while. like played around at all and then the. guy invited me and I'm just like about.

it like what if somebody's like yo come. do this I'm like let's go and so it was. just super fun to do something different. and that was probably in between my. sophomore and junior year and I was like. dude like I'm I'm going to do this I'm. going to see this wrestling thing. through to where I feel comfortable and. and ready to move on and then I'm then. I'm fighting like that's I just knew I. wanted to do it so was that jiujitsu. class was that the first uh thing. outside of wrestling wrestling you done. in Combat Sports um I had done like so.

this is actually kind of funny when I. was like 12 or something no I was. probably younger I was probably like 10. or 11 there was a jiu-jitsu tournament. at a high school that uh that my high. school so my dad was a high school. wrestling coach and this Jiu-Jitsu it. was like Naga or something they wanted. to put on a tournament at the high. school and so my dad set it up like put. all the mats in and stuff and uh I was. like why don't you enter I was like okay. like let's get I I don't know anything. I've never trained nothing and he was. like just just do it and so I did that.

tournament and I actually won and but I. never trained or anything I just wrestle. with wrestling yeah it was like I'd. watched UFC so I knew all right the. guy's going to try to like Guillotine me. or he's going to try to like get my back. and I just like don't let him do that. and uh and and and again I like played. around just watching stuff on TV you. know kind you can learn a few things and. so I uh did the tournament and that that. was it so I never trained did you get. any submissions um.

I think I submitted a kid I I I uh yeah. what's uh this called but like in a. front headlock I forget the sub like a. power Guillotine yeah yeah like that so. I submitted the first dude like this and. then after that I just kind of took the. guys down and held him down and stuff. and actually in the finals it was a. tough match because I went against a kid. who I had compe he wrestled as well and. I had competitive wrestling matches with. him not that competitive like I would. kind of whip him in wrestling but he. also trained Jiu-Jitsu and right away. like pulled guard and I was like what.

the but he knew good wrestling so like I. couldn't really like do anything to him. and then with and so and I didn't know. the rules at all so like he was winning. on Advantage but then I I somehow like. got past his guard at the very end and. uh then they gave me a point and I won. but um really that was it up until my. you know second third year in college. and I did that class did you when did. you start. striking um so I had a bud Bud a good. buddy he's actually my the boxing coach.

now at my gym he was a Collegiate. national champion in boxing and uh I did. like pads with him in over covid like. once or twice and uh but I really. started actually training striking like. getting into it um I started MMA. training full-time August of 2021 that's. when I started that's insane so you've. really only been seriously striking for. two years yeah yeah that's that's and. you know I just I feel like it's it's I.

just like it it's fun so I study it a. lot I'm always watching film and well. you're last performance man like the the. the thing about you know watching you. fight inside the Octagon like everybody. knows how good of a wrestler you are so. they're looking for that but in the last. fight I was like oh [ __ ] like distance. management your ability to slide out of. range and then explode back into range. and timing with punches it look like. you've been boxing forever it really was. very impressive and I know the guy came.

in on short notice he's small for the. weight class but dude you looked [ __ ]. great thank you yeah I felt like you. know people say you know about the about. the matchup this and that it was like. well I did what I was supposed to do you. know was totally out of your control. yeah yeah and and and so I feel like I. was just excited that I got a fight cuz. I thought I was I was like who was. supposed to fight you ton gore that's. right what happened to him he hurt I. don't know it hurt his wrist stir thumb. or something but honestly as soon as.

they announced it I was like freak I. kind of I had a feeling he was talking. crazy saying he was going to give me. brain damage all the stuff I was like. all right Bud we'll see and then I was. like y this dude freaking pulled out. after saying all this stuff I kind of. expected it but then the new guy came in. and I was just like I said grateful I. got a fight but yeah you know the actual. fight the plan was take him down sub him. you know of course like that's that's my. wheelhouse but uh I have great great. coaches is you know for for striking I. work with the the dude I was telling you.

his name is Moose Collegiate National. Champion boxing grew up in Philly. probably had 70 80 amateur boxing fights. and so that's who I'm like training with. and who's teaching me every day and then. I work with another guy name is Barry. Robinson you should check him out he on. Instagram a million Styles boxing dude's. like amazing amazing striking coach he. he lives in Thailand now but I brought. him out to PA for a few weeks and he and. he worked with me on a lot of stuff and. dude all my stuff is is just from them. and you know I want to utilize utilize. my wrestling right but it's a fight so.

you know everybody's nervous oh I'm. going to take him down this and that but. when I go in there I have the hours and. the Reps of of training this way in the. Striking so that's what comes out and I. think that um that's my mindset now with. fighting it's it's I got like the. ultimate cheat code with wrestling so so. use that to my advantage whatever it. looks like whether it's actually. wrestling take a guy down hold them down. or whether it's the threat of it and uh. you know that that's where I feel like. it's it's such a it's a psychological.

battle where you know the guy's so. worried if if you saw I just did like a. little faint dude dropped his hand and I. was like all right you're done bro boom. and then uh then after that it was kind. of funny CU I hit him and I saw him. wobble I was like in my mind you're. making so many decisions in that Split. Second but I was thinking okay I could. take him down I could back off or just. go for the kill and that's just my my. nature to like go for the kill so then. just took him out when you have that. wrestling base it is such a giant.

Advantage I always tell any young. athlete that like that is the 100% best. foundation because you get to choose. whether a fight is standing or on the. ground and then there's the threat of. that and the threat of that has so many. consequences in terms of like how your. opponent's going to react and what. they're going to do like you're talking. about that faint it's so gigantic man. like because a guy always has it in the. back of their head that you might take. him down but you you don't ever have. that no yeah I'm not worried about at.

all Freedom yeah it's it's I would say. in in the actual fight the biggest. Advantage is is the psych the psychology. of them feeling threatened feeling. pressured feeling nervous like [ __ ] if I. get taken down I'm probably not getting. back up like I can't get taken down and. now that's what they're focused on. rather than winning the fight and uh you. know of course you know the actual. skills that come with that of being able. to to implement that the game plan and. and do it is big but if you ever notice. and you watch guys fight or or compete.

especially in training if you see one. guy is a little more tense a little more. nervous a little like more reacting like. that's such a big part of how much. energy you spend in in uh you know your. overall in in in the in the overall time. of the fight like I noticed when I got a. lot better at wrestling and when I. started pinning a lot more guys was when. I just relaxed it was like this huge. thing for me because I I pinned a lot of. guys growing up and and got a lot of.

pins but then in college guys get a. little better they learn how to hold you. off a little better and so I would use. all my energy all my strength try to. throw them on their back and a lot of. times I would and so I'd get up you know. a bunch of points but then towards the. end I'd get a little tired I wouldn't. finish as strong instead of just what I. what I figured out later in my career. was all right I'm just going to relax. I'm just going to move you around just. get into position pull you push you fake. and I'm I'm very relaxed okay you shoot. no worries I'm going to down block run. around you and then you know when I have. my opportunity maybe you're fading a.

little bit now now I overwhelm you. versus trying to do that when we're both. fresh so that's that's where I feel like. in a fight it's 15 minutes a really long. time I don't got to overwhelm you in the. first minute I can you know just be. relaxed move catch your jab check your. kicks set you up and then Wham and then. overwhelm you when when the time comes. and and I'm very relaxed because like. you said what are you you going to shoot. on me like now dude you shoot on me the. fight's over like I'm going to win as. soon as I catch somebody shooting on me. it's like you're done so that's what I I.

I want them to but you know more than. likely that's never going to happen so. they're going to be very tense nervous. worrying about that stuff so yeah that's. kind of um how I feel about like the. wrestling Advantage right like it's. exactly like you said it's so big to. have that comfort and confidence yeah. and that knowledge of when to hit the. gas and when to be relaxed that plays. such a critical Factor when you move. from three to five rounds as well like. so when a guy is a champion and a has. been fighting most like a Jon Jones type.

guy he's been fighting five rounders for. the last decade plus like for a guy like. him he he has almost like an internal. sense of when to hit the gas and what to. do and you know how much energy he has. yeah it's such it's such a big thing man. you know wrestling the longest match is. is seven minutes it's like it's not even. half of a normal fight and then to go. from 15 to 25 like that's a huge jump so. that's something I'm definitely. preparing for in my mind and I think.

that fighting is such a it can become. such an emotional thing people get. baited into fighting a certain way that. it's so important to be disciplined you. know not only obviously you have to you. actually have to have the the training. and the base and the cardio to be able. to to do that then to also implement it. in front of millions of people and all. the pressures on you and now there's. this other guy who's a monster coming at. you trying to knock you out it's like. you know you got to be a certain type of.

person I think and have a certain. mindset to be able to be disciplined and. calm and stoic under that in that fire. right because you could have all the. cardio in the world but if you go 100%. for two and a half minutes like you. can't do that for for 25 right you're. going to lose it no matter what even if. you have the the training so keeping. cool under in that situation I think is. is almost equally as important yeah. we've seen that in so many fights where. guys get really emotional and they. really try to hit the gas in the first. round and then you see in the second.

round they've already blown their wad. it's it's rough yeah yeah and I'm glad. that I was able to learn exactly that in. wrestling where you know the stakes are. lower and uh you know you you don't. really being being tired in a fight is. pretty much the worst thing that you. could be right like you know you got a. guy who's a little more fresh than you. who's popping you a jab who's kicking. your legs you know pushing you up. against the fence it's like you do not. want to be tired yeah no it's hell when. you when you want like a good example is.

like Shawn Strickland and adna yep like. Shawn wasn't tired at all when you get. to the end of the round and the end of. the fight you see adisan is just beat up. and tired and Sean's just constant. pressure on him yeah yeah it's such a I. I would. say I would say that you know for my my. assessment is like you got to be good at. everything but cardio is a real X Factor. in MMA almost more so than than any. other sport sport just because it's like. you can just put that on somebody and if.

they can't sustain it you know as long. as you don't get knocked out in the. first few minutes like they're just. going to fade and you're going to gain. that energy and you know eventually. you're going to kind of overpower them. it's just it's the way that it works and. it happens time and time again happen so. often in MMA how the [ __ ] did you get so. good at striking so. quick I think did you have any like. [ __ ] around with your friends hitting. the bag anything when you were younger. hitting Ms no that's nuts yeah nothing I. think that's really very unusual yeah I.

I think that um really it's two things. it's again my my coaches the guys I work. with they're incredible and they're. they're so knowledgeable experienced and. and not only like I said I have these. guys holding pads for me and Coach me. but the guy moose I get a spar with him. like he 80 how many how many um MMA. fighters have a guy with that's a. Collegiate national champ Champion with. 80 amateur boxing fights as their like.

main sparring partner like the most guys. in MMA are striking other MMA fighters. right so I know if I I'm hanging in. there with him and I can I can move and. and defend and hit him with some shots. like what are these guys going to do to. me so that's kind of my where I started. and then I love I just love it like I. watch so much film I'm watching boxing. I'm watching Muay Thai I'm watching. kickboxing I'm always studying always. watching breakdowns and that's another. thing that I learned from wrestling. where I think I had a big leg up on. people because I was studying it like a.

science almost at a young age watching. kale Sanderson you know when I was eight. years old watching uh Sav Brothers uh. watching you know multiple time world. champions every tournament my and my dad. was a coach so I'd be at every high. school wrestling tournament watching and. and that I I absorbed a lot of. information from that and so I just took. those as principles and now I apply them. to MMA so you know It's Not Unusual for. me to study four or five hours of film.

in a week where yeah maybe I can't train. an extra four or five hours but now I. have this extra four or five hours on. top of the competition that you know. these guys I don't think they're really. willing to to do that to put that time. in when you are watching film and you're. studying like how are you doing this are. you taking notes are you just watching. it and mentally making notes or are you. writing things down are you specifically. looking at specific types like Ernesto. host or sanchai or like who how how are. you doing it I I do it two different.

ways sometimes I'll watch just kind of. as. uh I won't say entertainment because. it's not purely entertainment but I'll. just watch and enjoy and appreciate the. art and I'll just look at it like wow. that was amazing oh look at this. technique he did and kind of you know be. more on the the creative side of you. know trying to think about um things in. that way and then other times I can be. very analytical and and break things. down and look at. positioning and kind of start from the. ground up where I.

see how they move into a position to. that puts them at an advantage now their. opponent has to react or counter a. certain way or stay in a spot now that. gives them time to see think decide what. they're going to do and really I learned. a lot of my film study habits in the. analytical sense from the guy was. telling me about Barry Robinson he is. like to me the best film study breakdown. guy there is and so I'll do stuff on my.

own I also do stuff with him where I'll. say hey I want to look at Southpaw. Orthodox matchups or I want to look at. um how to guys uh how how somebody. effectively counters a big right hand or. or a good example of a guy that checks. kicks or a good example of a guy that. manages the clock you know so so we'll. look at all these specific things and. then I can then he he will help me break. him down analytically and then you know. I just kind of take some of the stuff. that I've learned from him and I do it. on my own as well it's such an. interesting thing to see a guy coming.

from that analytical approach to. wrestling where you become incredibly. successful and then just apply that to. other Combat Sports because I think. there's a lot of young athletes. unfortunately. that I don't think they maximize their. time I think they show up and train and. they you know they they train hard but I. don't necessarily think they're doing it. systematically and technically and. breaking things down they're just trying.

to be good instead of like really. focusing on very specific aspects and. when you did that your whole life with. wrestling applying that to striking just. seems kind of natural for sure and I. think the most important word that you. said in that statement was. systematically you have to put a system. together right like everybody can go. learn a combination everybody can go. learn um how to how to throw a kick to. the body or you know how to how to do a. technique but if you don't have a system.

and you don't have a way to you know. apply it in actual competition then. there's really no point to what you're. learning and and I think the MMA the. culture of MMA it's it's such a new. sport one but it's such a tough guy. mentality sport of you know let's bang. bro like let let's get in there let's do. this and it's you know that that's not. really to me I see fighting moving in a. different direction I see it moving in a. way and I hope to push it push it more. towards uh an analytical professional um.

way to go about your sport the way that. a NFL quarterback reads a defense right. the way that you you hear an NBA. basketball player talk about offenses. schemes setting it up setting like. that's not the way an MMA fighter talks. about fighting and I hope that know to. move MMA in a in a more into a more. professional realm where now we can look. at things we can systematize we can we. can break stuff down we can analyze and. then and then it's going to make. everyone better it's going to improve.

you know the overall Sport and and I. think that when you talk that way too it. appeals to a much broader audience and. it'll get more eyes on the sport which. is also very positive like if if you. hear like what what 40-year-old mom. wants to hear guys like talking about. just crushing each other's faces and. heads and this and that but they'll. listen but but maybe that 40-year-old. mom will listen to an interview where. Tom Brady talks about you know being a. quarterback right like like you know you. can appreciate a little more so that. that's kind of the way that that I look.

at it and that does a lot of it comes. from my my background in in wrestling. and and uh just the way that I've. approached that Sport and the way that. my my coaches in wrestling have handled. themselves and just what I've what I've. been taught but I think the MMA you know. people will still want to see violence. but I would hope that we could make it. into a platform where like there's some. people that want to see the sport and. and I would hope that continues to I. think it's already trending that way but. continues to move that way the reason.

why I think it's going to go that way is. because I think those Fighters are going. to be the most successful AB just like. those quarterbacks that study tape they. are the most successful the ones who. spend the most time in the tape room in. the film room watching going over plays. they're the most successful and I just. think it's you know one of the things. that DC said when you won your last. fight he just he started saying blue. chip that's blue chip but there is. something to that that the elite of the. elite in any sport they have to have all.

their bases covered and when those Elite. of the elite then enter MMA and use that. same analytical systematic approach to. training and getting better at this. they're going to get so good that. everyone's going to have to do that. unless you're some freak of all freaks. athletically they can get away with. things right which we have seen guys. like that but for the most part hard. work overcomes that oh absolutely and.

intelligence and and proper training for. the most part yeah for sure so tell me. what you think of this CU I I kind of. look at the sport and and see the the. trends and the way things are going so. it started off in MMA it was like which. martial art beat which you know and and. we kind of saw like the the wrestlers. had some success but then ho Gracie and. Jiu-Jitsu is like if you don't know. Jiu-Jitsu you're going to get destroyed. you're going to get killed and then it. became okay now if I know a little.

Jiu-Jitsu and I can defend and then. strike like that that's the advantage. and wrestlers really took over in that. stage I feel like from there it went to. where a point where the most. well-rounded guys were winning like uh. you look at like George St Pierre right. like he's not a wrestler but super. well-rounded great Jiu-Jitsu great uh. wrestling great striking you know good. conditioning like it was like the. well-rounded guys had had the the. biggest Advantage I think now it's.

moving to a point where it's almost. coming back and I and I use myself an as. an example but you have to be a. specialist in one thing where it's like. dude like that one thing is better than. anyone in the world and then everything. else has to be elite it's like like. Israel [ __ ] like he's the best kickboxer. like one of the best kickboxers in the. world but he also has great takedown. defense and and you even see him throw. up Subs in some of his fights things. like that or you know you see guys where. it's like dude you have this one thing.

khabib this one thing his grappling is. so like outrageous but then everything. else is like freaking world class it's. like that that's where I think it's. getting you know now these guys that. have one thing that can kind of. overwhelm and overpower somebody in a. certain area but everything else is like. not as good but better than average well. I I definitely think there's a gigantic. advantage to being Elite in one specific. area whether it's wrestling for you or.

if you look at Alex petta the kickboxing. like his kickboxing is so [ __ ]. dangerous right that when every fight. starts on the feed and when you have a. guy that's a two division Glory world. champion that just knocks people into. other dimensions and then now this guy. is learning takedown defense and all. those things obviously he has. vulnerabilities and it's interesting to. see uh particularly in the Euro prasa. fight and then uh in the fight with Yan. as well he's learning how to defend. himself on the ground but it seems like.

it's limited right like it doesn't seem. like he's very good at takeown defense. he's getting better at it and it doesn't. seem like he's very good at getting back. up to his feet but he's getting better. at it but at least now he's good at. defending so if guys take him down he. defends he survives he doesn't get. completely exhausted and then next round. he's standing up again for sure and the. thing too is like if you look at the. matchups like when he fought Yan Jan had. to take him down he's not going to.

strike with him the whole time and he. actually like gassed himself out in that. first round he had a body triangle for. almost five minutes and he looks i'. never seen him look that tired in a. fight and so now these people that maybe. don't have that wrestling base that. those years and years of reps they have. to fight him a certain way but he's. proficient enough to kind of you know. hold him off now now now he's got the. advantage right like it's like you know. what are what are you gonna do that. that's how I want to develop my style. ideally is to where when somebody comes.

out to fight me to game plan they're. like all right well we obviously don't. want to wrestle with him dang he also. has knocked a lot of guys out we don't. want to get hit oh wow he catches every. jab he checks every kick are we going to. jab with him are we going to kick with. him okay no okay maybe we'll try to get. him tired I don't get tired so that like. that's that's like you know the idea. like where I want to get to right if. that makes sense so you know I think a. lot of Fighters probably. are thinking on a similar wavelength. nowadays I'm sure but you also obviously.

have the advantage of having that. Superior grappling Bas and I I I just. can't say it enough I think that is the. most important Bas in all of MMA yeah. yeah you know it's it definitely is is. an advantage I feel like when I very. first started in the sport and just. started training figuring stuff out it. was. like even more it was just like cuz I. was only shooting only trying to hold. guys down and stuff and I was like okay.

I could probably do this to like some of. the top guys in the world and uh you. know I always want to hold on to that I. always want to make sure that that's why. I still you you asked earlier like I. still live in State College Pennsylvania. I'm 10 minutes away from Penn State. University I train there you know three. four times a week with that the best. guys in the world wrestling right like I. think that for me I could take four. weeks five weeks and go compete with the. best guys in the world in wrestling. right now and uh you know what's what's.

what's a guy in MMA going to do to me. who he's never wrestled in his life he's. gonna he's gonna do some sprawls for. eight weeks and and learn how to stand. up like good luck dude. like please take these eight weeks and. and try to wrestle like it's going to. hurt you more than it it will help you. right it'll take away from your time. striking and all those other things yeah. that is interesting it's like even like. an admission from a guy like yourself. that is one of the best wrestlers in the. world you would need four weeks at least.

of real training and just wrestling yeah. well cuz you you're going to give up. something by training MMA as well you. have to you know I think that uh the the. the pace is different this you're in a. different stance you know I'm not really. I don't have to put myself underneath. people like you do in wrestling you have. to get so low and uh you know to to get. to a shot people people are upright um. but but yeah it's and and and when I go. train wrestling now. I want I want to keep myself sharp and. and keep improving but I'm really trying.

to you know help the college guys and. help these guys out you know give back. help him improve and stuff so I'm not. trying to be the best wrestler in the. world right now and uh and I'm trying to. be the best fighter so you know I tailor. my training to that right and and I. think that it that's an important thing. it's like one some my coach say like. never forget your wrestling like a lot. of guys for forget it h but you know to. me I think I just love the sport I. appreciate it I want to represent. for the wrestling community on a bigger. stage and so you know I'm still very.

involved in it but uh yeah at the same. time it's like I'm I'm adjusting my. training and kind of fine-tuning it to. what I think is best for what I'm you. know mainly focused on is it a lot of. trial and error like how do you do you. have a main MMA coach who structures. your training program because I would. imagine well I should ask you like. strength and conditioning skill set. acquisition uh maintaining wrestling.

base like how how do you manage all. those very specific things and how do. you know whether or not you're. optimizing right you know a lot of it is. is nobody's really done it the way that. I have you know most people they they. wrestle in college maybe they they you. know try to make the Olympic team and. now they're go to flight and they they. move and they they start at an MMA gym. right what I've done um is I partnered. up with with Dan Lambert American top. team we built a gym uh right near Penn.

State campus and the idea is you know. that'll be a pipeline for any other. wrestlers specifically Penn State. wrestlers who want to come and and fight. after they're done wrestling right so. you know it's it's a good relationship. there uh but basically what we've done. is I've brought in coaches for Jiu-Jitsu. for Muay Thai um you know really high. level guys in in their specific. disciplines and so I'm learning from. them I'm learning boxing from um my. boxing coach and then uh for strength. conditioning I used the training lab.

with Sam calv oh great so he I've been. using him since I was in college so he. has uh worked with Penn State um. wrestling for a long time he's known one. of our coaches for 25 years so when I. started getting serious about my. strength conditioning nutrition recovery. he was a guy I started using maybe as a. junior in college and so I have a good. relationship with him but most for the. most part it's on me to organize it and. kind of see what works best and and I. did play around at the beginning like. all right how much wrestling am I going.

to do how many times am I going to lift. weights how many times am I going to do. Jiu-Jitsu how many times am I going to. strike and it I'm kind of continuously. refining that process and the idea for. me is I'm the Trailblazer I'm the guy. that's the first one to do this now all. these guys that are coming behind me um. my best friend Anthony kasar he just won. his uh second Pro fight he's a 205. heavyweight NCA champ like he he started. about a year later than me so now he. kind of gets the benefits of me. tinkering for that year and then the.

guys behind him like they'll get the. benefits of of us tinkering and figuring. stuff out and we're really trying to. build you know a program we're trying to. build a team that that we're going to do. things a certain way and uh you know. it's fortunate and unfortunate because. because I'm the first guy to do it I'm. going to get the credit and I'm going to. be probably like you know everybody's. excited about it and things like that so. I get benefits there but I do have to. like take the time and effort to test.

everything out and figure out what works. and what doesn't and and you know. there's so many variables so but but I. like that it's it's fun for me to do. that I would rather do that than just. plug in somewhere and just kind of go. about it in a very set way right and. that team's program might not be perfect. for you exactly which is which is so. interesting because everybody's program. is different like George St Pierre. famously later in his career stopped. doing all strength and conditioning he. said efficent efficiency is more.

important than anything yeah and you. know in his mind it was really just. about specific training for MMA meaning. just sparring rounds in the bag those. those type of things. HMS yeah for sure you know I think that. everybody you know if if you're a real. true professional like you got Rob GSP. GSP is the guy I look at is he was the. first guy that came into MMA that was. kind of a true professional about it who. was very organized um even in the media. like well spoken and and the way he.

trained the way he committed not only. his time training but his lifestyle I. felt like that aligned a lot that aligns. a lot with with how I want to do things. in a professional manner and so if if. you are a true professional you have to. take ownership of that and take. responsibility like if you're not. getting what you need you need to make. an adjustment and now luckily I have the. freedom to be able to do that and and. I'm fortunate that I had the foresight. to kind of see that and know all right. let's look at MMA there there's a lot of.

people doing a lot of good things out. but it's been a sport for for 20 years. like and so there's a lot of people that. also don't know what's going on that. don't know what they're doing I look at. wrestling one of the oldest sports in. the world there's so many tried and true. methods of training and how it works and. what's best for you and not only have I. been part of that for 20 years but I was. a part of the most elite organization. and and real really Dynasty in in. wrestling history you know with being. being on the Penn State team like my.

coaches they started at Penn State in. 2009 they have notes for training. sessions and Recovery days for pretty. much every day of the year since 2009 so. they know what they did what's today. December 7th 6th they know what they did. December 7th of 2009 2010 2011 all the. way until now and they meet every day to. discuss these things so that's kind of. like what I come from and what what I. know about training and and how to. organize a program and put things. together they know a lot more than me.

I'm just kind of learning these things. through osmosis and now I'm trying to. apply them to my career and again we're. going to continue to refine and get. better at them um by the time I'm done. hopefully I can give this system that. I've created and and what I've put. together to a new generation of guys. that are going to do even bigger and. better things than me hopefully they'll. win more than me make more money than me. be more famous like that's what I hope. for for those guys that are you know. come and they can benefit from this I. love hearing stories like that about.

those notes I love when you realize like. oh no stone unturned everything is. covered and that's how you become Elite. there's no there's no Elite by kind of. covering some of the bases it's covering. every [ __ ] base everything from. nutrition to recovery to making notes. and learning and adjusting to each. training session and figuring out what. went wrong and what went right and how. do you feel and how was the performance. performance and I love hearing [ __ ] like. that I love when when it's just a full.

comprehensive analysis of every single. aspect of it and then you see these. insane results like the Penn State team. right yeah I love that too you know that. was um I didn't know it at the time. because I was just a high schooler but. that was like a big reason a big thing. that Drew me to the program was the. culture you know how they approach the. sport and and everything we're talking. about right now too is like it's not. even half of it because we're not even. talking about the psychology of it right. like of what it's like to mentally go. out there and and and perform and do.

what you need to do but like you said. leaving no stone unturned making sure. that I've done every single thing that I. can do to be to put myself in the best. possible position to have success here. you know that that's that's what what I. want to do in fighting that's what I. feel a lot of people don't do you know. they're they're they're tough dudes who. have some skills they're athletic and. they're smart and they go out there and. they fight it's like well that's not. really the way that I look at the sport. you know I I look at it like again like.

you said all- encompassing comprehensive. how can I optimize every single part of. my lifestyle to now go out there be. comfortable be confident and I'm not. here to guess oh am i g to win this. fight like No And and that's another. reason that I'm taking my career the way. I am I I fought in July I'm not fighting. again you know for a while and people. say oh it's you know you're you're. you're a prospect you need to fight this. and that it's like well I want to be. ready and prepared to the point where.

you know now I'm fighting guys that are. you know unranked they're they people. see as low level like nobody's low level. in the UFC but people see as as a lower. level and I'm demolishing them. dominating him by the time I fight a guy. in the top 15 top 10 top five. Championship I'm planning on doing the. exact same thing to you bud because this. is the way that I'm structuring my life. so if that takes more time for me to. improve and get better fine no worries. I'm willing to be disciplined and not be. in a rush to do that and you know like.

you said that that's just comes from the. overarching theme of doing things right. doing things correctly and and always. trying to learn and improve and grow and. do better and and just come come at it. in a professional intelligent way how. now speaking about your last fight from. there until now that that is quite a a a. large amount of time is it difficult for. you to get fights is it difficult for. you to get quality opponents because I. mean there was obviously a lot of hype.

on you before you even got into the UFC. there's a contender show and you know. watching you compete and everybody knew. right away like oh this guy's got. something special and then you got guys. are like hey I'm like [ __ ] one and. one I don't want to fight that guy [ __ ]. that I need to learn so there's a lot of. guys that are probably going to look at. that match up and go that is just not. right for me at this time I don't need. to get smoked and have my confidence. crushed and realize that the Gap is so. wide realistically there's some guys.

that are competing that unless they have. some Monumental breakthrough or unless. they leave their training camp and move. into a completely new environment and. get totally new coaches and radically. restructure their life they're never. going to bridge that Gap they're never. going to bridge it right and so how hard. is it for you to get quality opponents. and the kind of opponents that you. really do need in order to continue to. not just you're developing these skills. obviously in the gym but you you also. need to be implementing them in real.

fights oh yeah for sure you know it it's. been so interesting my my journey I feel. like I always try to look for people. to compare and see how they did things. and maybe take the positives and. negatives and and apply those to what. I'm doing and there really hasn't been. that many people that have done what. what I've done I'm 5 and0 right now I. started training in August of 2021 MMA. it's hilarious yeah I know I started so. I started that really is so funny that.

is so [ __ ] crazy yeah yeah I know. it's well Dana White originally was like. you like wait a while yeah like I don't. want you get to the UFC that quick so. that it'll get bring me around to to the. point you made so what happened was I I. started training um four weeks later I. was like yo like let's I'm freak let's. get a fight like so I took an amateur. fight and uh just some poor dude like. didn't know what he doing he was 0 and. or One and0 amateur I was 0 and0 and and. he took the fight and I think a lot of.

people there was a lot of question marks. people were like all right I don't know. like let's see let's see what's up and I. choked the guy out and I was like let's. go again four weeks later I fought my. second amateur fight knocked the dude. out cold and then I then I was like all. right well I wanted to uh put a show. together in my hometown in State College. and uh so I was working for a few months. to get that going and it just there was. the PA athletic commission is working. between my management team the PA. athletic commission and Penn State there. was just too many moving Parts it was.

tough and I was like I need to fight so. you know I could wait like four more. months and do this or I could just get a. fight so then um I had trained another. six months six seven months and I was. like let's do it pro debut and that was. in June of. 2022 and uh so I'm coming out against a. you know another poor guy who thought. like he was going to knock me out or. something and uh knock him out in 30. seconds on UFC Fight Pass and it did. like the most views in UFC Fight Pass. history um like more than any other.

promotion it was like something like. three or four million views in the week. and so then and uh it did a bunch that. night here it is yeah this is it. strikes so this is eight months of. training it's just that's what's crazy. is that you're you're such a good. Striker so quick yeah it's really nuts. man it really is very very unusual but I. just think. it's got to be the same mindset that. allowed you to get a lead at wrestling. you just programmed that into striking.

yeah that's exactly exactly what it is. on top of good high quality coaches and. training Partners like that's everything. and uh so so after this happened the. next morning UFC Bellator 1fc pfl boom. boom boom call Let's Do It Let's Do It. Let's do and I'm like what the freak. like I'm one and0 pro haven't even. trained like I've been trained. eight months or whatever nine months so. was there hesitancy on your part where. you're like look I'd like to get some.

more fights some more competition. because we've seen it before like P is a. great example he's got a couple fights. at the UFC and then all of a sudden he's. fighting for the title yeah yeah so my. initial plan like before any of this. happened was I'm GNA get 10 fights in. the regional scene you know and then I'm. going to go to UFC I'm be the Chant by. like 13 14 fights like that's where. that's where the plan was and uh then. after that it was like. everybody kind of knows what's up. everybody's trying to sign me and um I.

talked with my manager and I was like. dude am I even going to be able to get a. fight like who's going to fight me on. these Regional scene promotion like. who's going to fight me in any of these. in he's like I'll be honest with you. like nobody's going to fight you and I'm. like okay well then you know my mind I. was always I'm going to the UFC like you. know these other organizations I I think. they they do a good job and stuff but. that that that's not really me like I'm. I'm a UFC guy so you know discuss with. the UFC and they're like hey well you. know we can throw you on contenders and.

uh I'm like let's do it and it was a. couple months later. so I uh now I'm like it's on like let's. get it rolling I'm G to fight these. contenders fights uh I fight my first. fight um choke the guy out in a minute. Dan's like let's do another fight I'm. like perfect let's do it like that's. great um so then I I fight at the uh the. last week of contender series and it's. actually a crazy story so so this is. going to make me seem like a real dummy. but um my gym is like 200 yards away.

from where I live and uh there's a a. main road that you have to cross to get. to it it's probably like a 40 45 mph. speed limit but it's not it's not super. busy but it's a little busy and so I. used to you know what a one wheeel is so. I used to ride my one wheeel like two. and from practice and uh I would just do. this all the time and so I'm riding back. from training session once and uh I've. got so I'm barefoot foot I've got like a. Yeti bottle I've got my phone and wallet. and like my flip flops in my hand and.

I've got no shirt on and I'm just like. it it takes like 25 seconds so I'm just. like J and uh I'm go I'm going on this. road and my my buddy pulls behind me. he's leaving practice too and then I. have another car behind me and I'm like. oh frick like I better pick I don't want. to make these people wait I better pick. it up and normally I'm pretty safe on. this thing like I don't really go crazy. but I so you lean forward to go faster. so I'm leaning forward and I catch the. nose on the tip of the nose on the. asphalt and I slam into the ground and.

roll and uh my Yeti I have like a 64 o. Yeti it's flying in the air my shoes. wall everything's flying in the air and. I hit and rolled and I just was like get. off the road you're going to get hit by. a car so I popped up grabbed my stuff. and got off the road and my buddy's. sitting there in his car and he's. like and I was like oh I just jumped in. the car with. him and I'm like take me home bro and he. just pulls into my driveway and uh he's. like you all right and I'm like ah yeah. I'm good like my shoulder hurts a little. bit but I'm good and I checked on my app.

I was going 23 M hour oh Jesus so I was. flying and uh then you know I was like. I'll be fine like I kind of hurt my. shoulder hurts a little bit and then. four hours later I like couldn't move my. arm I was like I could get up to like. here and that was it and so then I go. get X-ray MRI and I crack my collar bone. and I had like a separation in my uh SC. joint oh Jesus and uh I was like this. was was 10 days before I was supposed to. fight my second contenders fight and I. was. like dude what am I going to do like.

this is terrible and so I go to the. athletic trainer at Penn State he's like. a magician he's amazing he's worked with. the wrestling team for 30 years and he. does a lot of like kind of he's a more. like Eastern philosophy guy so we're. moving energy through it and doing a few. different things and um I started to. feel a little better feel a little. better and I'm about to fly out to to. Vegas like the next day and I'm like. well it's it's the day before I'm about. to the two days before I'm about to fly. out I'm like okay if I wake up tomorrow. and I don't feel significantly better.

like I'm going to have to pull out this. fight and so I woke up the next day and. I was like all right it feels okay it. feels it felt better so I hit pads and. like did a couple things and uh I was. like all right whatever let's just do it. so let's freaking go into the fight and. uh uh I ended up I knocked that dude. down hit him in a triangle choke him out. win the fight in whatever less than a. minute and I'm like fired up and I'm. like let's go let's do it again get me. in there again December I tell tell Dana. and Hunter and they're like done and uh. so then everybody's like he's fine.

December and I got back home and I was. like maybe we hold off a little bit so. uh then we we push my next fight till. March but I don't ride the one moral the. story I don't ride the one wheel anymore. yeah [ __ ] those things yeah Jamie broke. his ass bone on one of them hoverboards. H board oh yeah simar so I don't I don't. do that anymore but yeah I getting so. going from Regional scene series to UFC. it was like I kind of went a lot faster. than I wanted to but I.

uh I I felt like you know I wasn't going. to be able to get the fights and you. know the UFC can get me the fights and. so now you know in the. past really since whatever that was of. 2022 June so the last year and a half. really really over a year span I fought. five times professionally and then I was. thinking you know I can keep going at. this pace like I could fight you know. five more times times in the next year. but I I can only fight so many guys till.

I'm moving up into the top 15 top 10 and. I've only trained MMA like a little over. two years so you know is that really the. best move for me right like do I want to. be fighting a top 15 guy in the world at. 5 and0 on on two years of experience or. do I want to you know take control while. I can slow it down learn develop get. better like I'm still a prospect so you. know these type of things are are are. things that are all my mind mind things. that you know people that I'm close with. coaches have have you know just helped. me with cuz like I want to get there.

right like I have goals in a plan but. there's also a I think. a a better way to go about it that I'm. trying to be you know considerate of and. manage yeah well I think you're doing a. great job in that regard and I also. think I'm very happy that you decided to. go with UFC cuz no disrespect to the. other organizations there's very good. fighters in the other organizations but. I often feel like they're wasting their. career because I see these Elite. Fighters that are fighting in Bellator. and pfl I'm like hey guys no one's.

watching I know you know I mean some. people are watching you're getting a. little bit of a fan base I I don't want. to disrespect right but there's a. reality and that you know there's the. XFL there's the CFL and then there's the. [ __ ] NFL yep and if you're not in the. [ __ ] NFL are you really playing. football you know what I'm saying that's. how I feel you know that's just how it. is man if you're if you're the UFC champ. you're the [ __ ] man if you're the. Bellator champ I respect the [ __ ] out of. those guys I love themely I mean like. guys like Johnny Elin same thing yeah.

he's I train with Johnny all the time. he's fre animal he's a monster to me. Johnny Johnny's probably the best. middleweight on the planet right now and. uh I really wish that guy would come to. the UFC yeah you know I think that um. you. know to me when I was making that. decision it really wasn't a decision. because I just I knew I was like I'm. going to be in the UFC like that was. always what I wanted to do and know I. come from Penn State we haven't had a. match that wasn't sold out in I don't. even know like a decade every every.

match is in our small venue Rec call. 7,000 people right on top of you sold. out intense we go to Bryce Jordan which. is our bigger venue 16,000 people sold. out we go to Carver Hawkeye 20,000. people sold out we go to uh Gallagher IA. Oklahoma State 20,000 people it's like. that was every weekend for me in college. like I love that that's like freaking. let's get it you know and uh you you you. get a good atmosphere and these other. other organizations but there's nothing. like a UFC fight like the production.

everything that goes into it the eyes. that's where I need to be competing the. promotion I mean if you're a UFC. champion the promotion is just. unparalleled there's nothing like it. yeah you know I mean everybody knows who. you are when you're the UFC champion I. mean I've already felt that a lot with. um you know I think that it's important. for people to understand uh you know. maybe these other organizations will. will pay you a little more but the. marketing dollars that the UFC puts into. a guy just by you know the way they push.

him or the way that they where they put. you on the cards this and that like. that's worth so much and and you know. the the pl like you look at a guy in. that a good example you said in the NFL. look at an NFL running back or NFL. quarterback like a lot of these guys get. get big endorsement deals from Bose or. Nike or whatever and it's like you could. be just as good if you're not playing. the NFL you're not getting that right if. you're not in the UFC like all these. marketing deals all these Endor like. those aren't really going to be. available to you right you know it's. it's it's the platform and so I think. people people talk about fighter pay.

this that whatever it's like I'm in the. I'm in the boat of it's on you to get. yours like I'm never going to sit around. and beg for somebody else for a check. it's like oh pay me more money pay it's. like dude go go earn it like go get it. like I feel like you know what what you. get paid that that's between you and and. the company and and take care of what. you need and and take care of what you. need to take care of and you know I'm. I'm going to take care of me and you. know this but there's a lot of other.

parts of the equation that people don't. factor in in my opinion yeah there's. definitely parts that people don't. factor in and then there's also like. this feeling of being in the UFC that. everybody who wants to be a fighter. dreams of oh yeah you want to be there. when Bruce Buffer is right in front of. you. go it's. time like holy [ __ ] it was so funny yeah. so when I was uh when I when I after I. signed my UFC contract and stuff and. knew I was going to fight the two things.

I always wanted was I wanted to have. Bruce Buffer announce me and I want to. do post fight interview with you I was. like yo these two things like those are. like bucket list things for me like it's. so cool it's so fun and the way they do. it you know the everything the energy in. Las Vegas when there's a big fight it's. unbelievable there's nothing like it. there is nothing like it nothing like it. and I that's where I want to be like you. know if I could fight 50 times a year. like I would do it if that was what was. if that was feasible you know cuz. wrestling it was in college i' would.

wrestle 50 matches in a year but you. know you you can't do that with fights. but if I could man I just love that. every I do it every weekend it's so much. fun I went to the UFC in Austin last. weekend and is is the rare moment where. I get to watch and just sit there oh. dude no headphones on just appreciate. the crowd they're like the [ __ ]. energy is crazy yeah it's like you're on. a drug just sitting there dude were did. you uh were you at UFC Miami earlier. this year how crazy was it when Trump.

walked out insane I've never experienced. that it's like I was like it was more. crazy when he walked out Madison Square. Garden really yes jeez the Madison. Square Garden one La the last fight was. [ __ ] bananas it's unbelievable I. never heard a crowd like that over a. minute of people screaming at the top of. their lungs as he's walking in nuts this. country is fed up yeah this is a Fed Up. country you know the mainstream media. can say all the [ __ ] they want they're. trying but the people aren't buying it.

no you and that's the perfect example. right there is you know 20,000 people or. whatever like losing their minds when. the dude's walking to the cage it's like. there's no fighter that gets that but. yeah the country it's like you can tell. you just talk to people or or see what's. going on it's like you could tell well. you know there's people that voted for. Biden that are doing it now that they're. like I what did I do right what did I. choose like how is this guy yeah you. just can't listen to an interview or.

he's saying some of the stuff he says. that just makes no sense at all it's. like you can't listen to those. interviews and feel like you made a good. decision I I don't know how you did you. hear what he said like yesterday or a. couple days ago said he talking about. the Revolutionary War he's like one of. the reasons why we lost the. Revolutionary War one of the problems. with the Revolutionary War was they. didn't have enough airports. yeah have you seen that I saw that. like what like pull. him if you were if you had any other job.

and you were talking like that they. would go hey you're done if you talk. like that to a doctor at your medical. exam for to fight they would be like. okay like obviously you're not. fighting you also here's you know eight. weeks of of being helped out by. professional like right you might not. ever do anything again no it's in it's. it's one of the wildest Things ever. and the the media gaslighting you to. protect it's just people are so afraid. of trump being in office and Republicans.

being in office you know it's funny cuz. um right after uh after my last fight he. was he was uh cage side with Dana and uh. then I got back home and he invited me. out to uh Bedminster in Jersey and was. like come golf with me coolest freaking. dude man he was like I was we we didn't. talk about politics we didn't talk about. anything when I first got there rolled. up I mean there's 30 Secret Service. members um you know everybody's doing. their thing and he did a few like uh.

kind of worked with one of his. secretaries like make some announcements. and do some stuff but then we just. golfed for like four hours rode in the. cart with him and he was like the. coolest guy so with it so smart asking. me about fighting we're talking about. you know all boxing we talk about. football talk about Golf and he was so. sharp and with it and uh it was me this. is like the craziest thing like I'm from. like I grew up in a town of 5,000 people. in Wyoming now I'm fighting on the UFC. and then with Trump golfing it's me.

Trump uh OJ Anderson who's the NFL. running back Super Bowl MVP and LT like. that's the for that's the forsome and. I'm like wow what the heck is going on. here but that's got to feel surreal it. was super surreal and what nothing. really like he was such a bro and so. cool and so with 70 I think he 70 Upper. 70s and uh couldn't believe how smart. and sharp the guy was like I was like. wow like this is bizarre right right. like super with it he's the only guy. that went through four years in the.

white house and didn't seem to age no. everybody gets in that white house and. they just fall apart their hair gets. gray they look tired all the time they. just look like the weight of the world. which it literally is is on their. shoulders I think he just he loves it. [ __ ] duck to water yeah he's like. he's like what are you going to say come. on like oh it was this was the craziest. thing so him and LT were playing like a. thousand bucks a hole or something and. uh he smoked him on Trump like people I. golf with him the dude's amazing golfer. I couldn't believe it how how good he.

was every Fairway right down the middle. hit every Green making all those putts. and uh so he won the first nine like. pretty easy and then the last nine um it. was going in the 18th hole uh him and LT. were tied or something it was like the. the winner it was like all came down to. this last hole and they both hit great. drives and LT hit like a good um. approach shot and Trump gets it there. gets up there he's probably like 150. yards from the green and uh he sets. up just Stripes it straight at the pin.

Ball's like in the middle of the arc. like not even not even coming down yet. he turns around doesn't even watch it. land walks right back to the cart sits. down and uh the K is like nice shot Mr. President and I was like damn that was. clutch and he looks at me he goes don't. you want your present to be. clutch and I was like for sure man and. he hit it two feet from the pin and. tapped it in and I was like. geez slick it was slick I was like he.

was just cool dude though it was funny. it's a weird time cuz there's people in. this country that want to think he's. Hitler I know it's uh it's very strange. you couldn't convince me otherwise just. hanging out with the guy I'm like man. well you know it's just the media. narrative I mean so many people were fed. this lie that he the Russia collusion. was this was this the video You're were. talking about let me see what this one. says I don't think it. is what by the way the same stable. genius who said the biggest problem we. had in the Revolutionary War is we. didn't have enough.

airports. whoa yeah that's. it just for for the record is that fake. it's not fake but he was referencing. Trump saying that here's what Trump. saying it in 2019 Donald Trump said. something about that he didn't say G. Jesus he said a stable genius and that's. where the the transcription let me hear. what it says what did he say. in June of. 1775 the Continental Congress created a. unified Army out of the Revolutionary.

forces encamped around Boston and New. York and named after the great George. Washington commander and chief the. Continental Army suffered a bitter. winter of Valley Forge Found Glory. across the Waters of the Delaware and. seized Victory from corn Wallace of. Yorktown our Army manned the air it ran. the ramp Parts it took over the airports. it did everything it had to do oh okay.

yeah so he [ __ ] up yeah he did but I. feel. like you could tell to it sounds like a. little different he's like you could. tell he like messed up his words but. yeah yeah he was just I don't know to. over over the airport well that's the. thing about that's the thing about media. these days it's like right you got to. look into it yeah yeah it's but I mean. that's probably the most coherent thing. Biden's ever [ __ ] up like some of the. things I got have I got hairy legs yeah. oh my God there's so many of them yeah. seriously I mean it's unfortunate.

because the guy's older and he really. shouldn't be in that position I mean if. he was your dad you would feel terrible. you'd be like Dad you got to stop like. you shouldn't be doing this yeah yeah no. it's weird it's what's your uh um your. tour strange time was it strange time. yeah one yeah it is these are the. strangest times yeah this well you know. there's a really interesting clip see if. you can go to that clip um on my uh. Twitter page I retweeted it there's a. guy named Terren McKenna who's this like.

psychedelic Bard SL philosopher who said. a lot of very interesting [ __ ] he died. is going listen just listen to what he. said CU he's literally I think this was. 1998 that he said this and literally he. called what's. Happening the level of contradiction is. going to rise. excruciatingly even beyond the. excruciating present levels of. contradiction so uh I think it's just.

going to get weirder and weirder and. weirder and finally it's going to be so. weird that people are going to have to. talk about how weird it is and at that. point novelty Theory can come out of the. woods uh because eventually people are. going to say what the hell is going on. it's just two nuts it's it's not enough. to say it's nuts you have to explain why. it's so nuts I look for the invention of.

artificial life the cloning of human. beings uh possible contact with. extraterrestrials possible human. immortality and at the same time. appalling acts of brutality genocide. race baiting uh. homophobia famine starvation because uh. the systems which are in place to keep. the world sane are in utterly inadequate.

to the forces that have been. Unleashed uh the collapse of the. Socialist world the rise of the internet. these are changes so immense nobody. could imagine them ever happening and. now that they have happened nobody even. bothers to mention what a big deal it is. uh the mushroom said to me once it said. this is what it's like when a species. prepares to depart for the Stars you.

don't depart for the stars under calm. and orderly conditions it's a fire in a. mad house and that's what we have the. fire in the madhous at the end of time. this is what it's like when a species. prepares to move on to the next. Dimension the entire Destiny of all life. on the planet is tied up in this we are. not acting for ourselves or from. ourselves we are we happen to be the. point species on a transformation that.

will affect every living organism on. this planet at its. conclusion that guy called it so smart. in 98 he said so many things too talking. about AI talking about extraterrestrials. talking about you know people trying to. basically beat you know human mortality. it's like wow it's all happening right. now it is yeah 20 25 years uh before he. he was on point what a smart guy I'm. going to look into him more oh he had a.

lot of wild theories yeah yeah that. stuff I love I love well one thing that. I love about your podcast is I love. listening hearing learning about all. those types of things man it's like I. listened to so many of of your episodes. for that specific reason cuz that stuff. is it's so it's so important and. interesting and it'd be easy to not. think about it and just go about your. daily life but I don't know I feel like. I have to think about it I think we all. have to think about it we all like life.

is more strange now than it's ever been. in the entire history of human beings. and getting stranger every day like with. this chat GPT [ __ ] and AI like kids are. using chat GPT to write papers and study. their homework just changing a few words. about it and you get people are firing. their lawyers just using chat gbt to. I've seen this I'll uh I'm going to you. know give some people some game right. now but I'll go into chat gbt and you.

have to ask at the right questions but. I'll say hey formulate a game plan for. this type of fighter I'm a wrestler at. middleweight this that blah blah blah. and I'm gonna fight this guy give me the. perfect game plan for him and it'll do. that you it won't it's not like boom. easy you kind of have to prod it a. little bit but it'll get to closer it. it'll give you some good information. like uh initially it'll basically say. like well we're not I'm not able to do. this formulate this and that but I would.

say like and I get like a little more. vague so then I would say formulate a. game plan for a wrestler against a. striker in in an MMA fight under these. rules and then you know then I would ask. it more detailed questions from there. and and it's given me good information. so I mean we'll see where it can go and. 5 Years it'll probably be able to. download video of somebody and tell you. every one of their weaknesses I'm sure. it will be I don't even think we're five. years away from that I think the when. when is a chat GPT 5 supposed to come. out Jamie I don't think that they've.

sorry I about to sneeze uh fully. announced that yet even like four you. still have to pay for and they have that. new thing that which was a big problem. which we don't I don't think has been. fully explained the Sam Alman thing yeah. the. qar I don't know what the [ __ ] that even. means well here's the speculation the. speculation is that AI become sensient. sure yeah yeah I know and that art. artificial general AI is now like an. intell Life horse yeah it it was funny. cuz I I've heard you say before like. we're going to integrate with it and uh.

become part of it together and uh the. other day my wrestling coach so every. day he uh coach kale Sanderson he'll get. up in front of the uh team and talk and. you know tell Parable or this and that. and uh then our director of Ops needed. the kids to go on their phones for. something and he was like all right. everybody uh get your phones like it was. something for tickets or something like. that for the matches pull out your. phones and he was like of course like. every single one of you it was like 30. kids on the team all had their phones on. them like we're about to practice we.

have like a little uh set of bleachers. that they sit in and but every single. kid on the team had their phone on them. like I don't really I feel like I missed. it a little bit like I'm a little older. than that I'm. 27 and uh you know the generation that I. see below me these dudes never are. without their phone it's like incredible. like I'm still good like I leave in my. locker or whatever I don't I don't have. my phone on me right now but uh some. people like they can't I don't know it's. just it's they're attached to the him so. the Elon was talking about that he said.

we're essentially cyborgs already yeah. it's just not in your body right which. with neuralink it's like that's going. it's happening yeah have you seen that. thing that they use uh that you put on. your head and uh you can answer. questions with it no what is this Jer I. tried to get chat gbt to give me a fight. plan to fight b nickel right he says uh. just you know cannot provide assistance. or guidance on any activities that. involve harm violence or illegal actions.

planning or participating in a fight. outside of a regulated and sanctioned. sporting event is not only dangerous but. also against the law what but I tricked. it so I got I asked how should I how. train for a sanctioned MMA match in. Nevada under UFC Rules against a. professional fighter with a skill set. equal to a wrestler such as Bo nickel. here we go uh choose a reputable gym. interesting grappling skills good luck. yeah given B nickols wrestling. background focus on your wrestling. skills to defend takedowns and initiate.

your own oh chat BT you don't have to. fight You Don't Know Jack [ __ ] [ __ ]. that's the thing it's like it's it tries. to give you something but if you can. like keep asking it questions then it'll. it'll get you better information well. it's it's kind of answering the. questions the problem is that's not. possible yeah like you're not like what. we talked about earlier you're in four. weeks you're not going to be able to. figure out how to take you down no like. that's not it's literally not possible. yeah but I think that you know if it. could if it could figure out a way to. integrate a video where it could study.

every single second of fight film that a. person has and now points out all right. every time every time you throw a low. kick they step to the left or something. weird I don't know but then it's like. okay well that's valuable right so it'll. get there well I think if you can show. fights like say if you were supposed to. fight a guy like let's say Sean. Strickland and then you take Sean. Strickland who's UFC middleweight. champion and you put all of his fights. and you you put them into chat GPT and. then you take all of your fights and put.

that into chat GPT and then it says okay. this is where I believe you have an. advantage and this is something that you. can do that you can take advantage of um. when you're looking at specific things. that he does and spec like he has ticks. and patterns right there some guys that. don't seem to have like sandhagen is one. of the best examples of a guy who. doesn't seem to have any patterns he is. so so good at mixing things up yeah he. really is you know I think that. um he's as good as it gets mixing it up.

yeah but I still believe that like for. for for me at least with my. uh F my like kind of attitude towards it. like I'm gonna watch every single if if. I were to Fight Cory sandhan I would. watch and I I would start you know 10. weeks out I'd watch every single one of. his fights every second of the fight. break it down I'd probably spend you. know 20 hours watching film and then I. would take a little time and then i' do. it again and I'd take a little time and. I do it again I'd probably do it three. times throughout the camp you're going.

to figure out some some stuff like. certain things like I was listening to a. a Jon Jones clip it was just a sound. bite of him talking about how he uh how. he um analyzes film which to me I think. he's probably one of the best game. planners in in the sport right now just. with the way he he breaks guys down but. he was talking about something that was. really interesting he was like I even. focus on how how they Flinch like if I. if I throw a faint at him like how are. they flinching like I've always thought. about how does the guy react to you know.

certain techniques defensively but he. takes it to a whole another level of all. right if I if I faint a jab like does. the guy Flinch the same every time like. does he does he try to catch it or does. he he slip one way or the other it's. like you can really you know break it. down and it'll be more it's a it just to. me everybody's just like a puzzle to. solve and you know a guy like sandhagen. would obviously be more more difficult. he doesn't repeat as much but everybody. has something you know even I have. something everybody does yeah and I. would imagine a computer and know.

something like chat GPT with artificial. intelligence is going to be able to see. that better than anybody will I would. imagine yeah and it could probably do it. instantaneously versus having to spend. 40 hours try to figure it out right I. think we're the last natural people I. really do I think this is the last. generation of natural people yeah people. that have no connection to the outside. world other than through electronics. that you hold yeah and I think in the. future that's just not going to be the. case we're going to be a new version of. human beings well even if you look at uh.

so I I'm a little old school like I love. being outside I like the outdoors I like. going out you know five miles into the. mountains and just I got my bow and. let's figure it out like let's figure. out if I can make this happen and uh so. I think about something like that and. it's so pure and and valuable to me that. real Human Experience and there's a lot. obviously hunting is a great example but. there's a lot of different examples that. you know you can have that and fighting. is a good example but like it would be.

nice to have a GPS in my brain yeah have. Onyx in my in my brain yeah and Mark. your coordinates or uh like something. where I could you know play a perfect. elk bugle right and a perfect cow call. to where it's like doesn't have human. error right yeah but there's something. fun about creating it yourself it is. yeah I guess we're going to gain. something and we're going to lose. something just like I'm sure we lost. something by having the ability to fly.

across the country instead of taking a. [ __ ] Wagon Train well there's so many. things just healthwise that I think have. a huge impact like look at uh. hydrogenated oils right like uh. hydrogenated oils you know vegetabl oils. and canol oil that stuff is like motor. oil and now we use it for food as a. preservative like I don't think the. people that initially did that were Ood. the health repercussions of it the same. way like having something in your brain. that's putting out 10,000x emfs like how.

there there's going to be other problems. to solve for sure and you know maybe. it's it's not nothing's going to be like. wholly good or wholly bad but it's it's. a mixture of it but that like you said. it's kind of just the way it's going. it's the reality of it it doesn't seem. like it's going to be able to be stopped. it just seems like human beings have. this insatiable thirst for Innovation. everybody wants the latest greatest. thing and everything is constantly. moving forward yeah and I I just think I.

think it's hard for us to see it because. we're in it but I think we're do you. know like you ever see where they take. like a like a bowl almost and they spin. like a marble around it and it goes. around the circle and then as it gets. lower it goes faster and faster and. faster and faster faster that's where we. are yeah exponential right the. exponential increase up here is when. they invented the wheel yeah right we. are at AGI artificial general.

intelligence it's like spinning at an. insane rate and we're in the middle of. it as biological human beings that are. used to a certain timeline we're used to. getting up in the morning going to work. doing our things we have timelines and. we think of the world as being kind of. static linear right but it's not no well. I think that so I've read this before um. and I think there was a study that it. but. humans we can't understand things that. naturally we we we can maybe be taught.

but we're our natural understanding of. uh like something like compound interest. like we don't get that that's why a lot. of people think uh all right I'm not. going to invest and put you know 5,000. or 7,000 bucks into a Roth IRA what's. that going to do for me but but in. reality like in 30 years it's going to. be 5 million or something like that but. so we don't have a natural inclination. to think that way way and so I feel like. with with what you just said where you. know how many like like a 100 years.

ago what like imagine you showed. somebody an iPhone it's like and and. what's it and and you know even what not. even 100 years ago imagine 20 years ago. you showed somebody an iPhone it's like. that's not a that's such a short amount. of time that's incredible because if you. look at let's say like zero to. 1500 not that crazy of a difference. right or even like zero to 1800 like. until the Industrial Revolution really. right okay we're still getting around on.

boats and wagons and things like that. all right but that's that wouldn't. really blow your mind too much like oh. they got a nicer boat or crazier wagon. it's like okay now I see a train okay. now I see an automobile now I see like. plane okay now we got an iPhone it's. like whoa like now I can FaceTime. somebody in New Zealand it's like what. is happening but yeah what's it going to. be. like you said I think it's a good it's. days go slow like years go fast right in. 5 years it's like you know the. technology is already so different it's.

going to be the wildest freaking it's. going to be like the Wild and there's. this battle where these enormous. companies are trying to control the. population because when people protest. about things and people aren't on board. with things it [ __ ] up their ability to. make money so they're trying to get as. much control over what people say and do. as possible and the governments are. stepping in trying to get as much say. and control over these internet. companies as possible and you see this. integration of the FBI and Twitter with.

the Twitter files it's like boy there's. a battle going on stuff scares me man it. should part of part of it like my. initial reaction is I got to do whatever. I can do to like help and make this make. this positive and and not let like evil. people take over and then part of me is. like dude you're like 27-year-old MMA. fighter like let's settle down chill out. cut up kicking ass yeah yeah exactly so.

you know it's like a balance right like. I mean we all have our day-to-day life. of family and things going on and you. know got to get an oil change on your. car and things like that and then it's. like all right well there's also like. pretty significant evidence that we have. some extraterrestrials flying around. like Earth or that people are there's. pretty much explicit evidence that. certain certain people in organizations. are trying to mass manipulate the entire. population and and and make it you.

know what I forget what they call it but. basically like what whatever. the the the thing where they're like. making all the world like uh I don't. know do you know what I'm talking about. the uh what's the organiz world order. World economic Forum World economic. forum and they're talking about the I. don't remember what their whole plan was. but basically like uh Global control. yeah the control right and when it comes. from a guy like CLA Schwab who dresses. like a villain from Star Wars and talks. like a Nazi how many more people not pay. attention to that he seems like a like.

so on the nose like is that a real. person the comp imagine the comp that. was actually um borla from fiser oh. wasn't the same guy no borer from fizer. was talking about a pill that you would. take like say if you took a pill some. sort of pharmaceutical pill and the pill. has a signal that it sends to people. that. it shows that you took it and then he's. like imagine the compliance like hey man. [ __ ] you yeah no thanks good you you're.

lucky you're still alive buddy with that. kind of talk yeah seriously no that's. you're a real threat to freedom in that. kind of talk like obviously your drugs. have not gone through the rigorous test. that you claim they have because the. side effects that people experience from. a lot of your [ __ ] drugs are. dangerous as [ __ ] and if you're. fast-tracking drugs and then imagine the. liance on these fast-tracking drugs with. by the way the crazy thing when it comes. to things like vaccines there's no. repercussions you can't even Sue no and.

it's like okay let's say let's say it. really does go down and they get in. trouble and they made 11 billion okay. they get find five billion exactly net. net positive on their mind they're like. I don't give a crap that's exactly what. happened with uh Vio right yeah which um. you know guy Meer took that [ __ ] and Guy. Meer had a stroke you remember guy Meer. from back in the day yeah he he had a. [ __ ] stroke from Vio gez yes and he was. in his 30s I'm so skeptical and I feel. like very glad that I'm the age I am. because I feel like people a little.

older than me um they got that heavy and. they didn't really see a lot of the. repercussions like they were the ones. that got the negative ends of it and I. think a lot of people um like at. least my age are they didn't maybe maybe. their parents were a little more awake. to that type of thing or um but for sure. it's like huge now like I see on. Instagram every single person I see is. like buying 10 acres homesteading. getting chickens like know drinking uh.

raw milk like that you know eating beef. liver like that that's the trend now. people are starting to see like I'm not. going to do I'm not going to freaking. eat McDonald's and yeah take these drugs. and do do this crap like I'm out you. know well that was one of the craziest. things about like that interview that I. had with Peter hotz who's telling. everybody's got to get vaccinated and. take these medications like what what. are you doing for your body like do you. work out do you what do you eat and he. eats junk food and he doesn't work out. like this is crazy you think you're. going to medicate your way to health.

that's never happened it's not how it. works man it doesn't work at all it. takes it takes effort it's like you know. you just got to and and the thing is too. it's like if you just stay on top of it. a little bit yeah you're going to be. good like I'm not I'm not worried about. getting the flu I'm not worried about my. wife getting the flu I'm not like dude I. never I never get sick I don't know. about you but like maybe once a year I. have something like a little sniffle or. something but other than that like I. feel pretty freaking good man and I'm. taking care of myself and all the people. that I'm around everybody is like a.

professional athlete or a coach who's. still very active competing it's like. we're all like that you know but that's. why I was so crazy when they're. mandating it for the NFL like what the. [ __ ] are you talking about these guys. aren't even going to feel Co what dude. yeah like what's to me it's it's a weird. thing because it got people it tugged. out their heartstrings so much oh I. don't want to kill my grandmother this. that and I understand that like I. definitely we we we don't want people. that are at risk to be sick we don't. want those people sick regardless like.

if Co never happened you don't want. those people to get sick anyways so but. why is it all of a sudden like this. whole thing everybody's freaking out. when it's nobody's dying of this and it. was a mass psych psychology experiment. yeah it really was and unfortunately. they learned a lot they learned a lot. about how quickly people roll over yeah. well I hope that there are more people. now too that. feel more skeptical and more inclined to.

you know ask questions and feel like you. know they feel like they can just make a. decision what's best for them based on. the information rather than the um. emotion emotional response right like. that so so many people got got with the. emotion of it um and and they didn't. actually look into it and I was glad. like that you know I feel like you set a. good example and and people that you're. round of getting the information out. there it's like I don't really care what. you want to think like this is the right.

info this is this is the truth and and. that's what people should know they. should just know the facts if this is. good for you great if this is terrible. for you okay cool now we know like and. pay very close attention to people that. are fighting against the truth and. fighting against that information cuz. what's what's interesting about now and. one of the things that McKenna talked. about is with with the internet is that. I don't think anybody ever anticipated. things like podcasts like the huberman. show or Peter AA show or Lex fredman.

show where you you're getting unbiased. information scientific information that. is not connected to any official. government agency or news source where. they're vetting all that and telling you. what you can and can't say and when you. do say something that goes against their. narrative they [ __ ] come for you hard. it's wild but what they don't understand. is people don't believe them so it just. under look at what's happened to CNN CNN. is falling apart nobody believes them oh.

you're propaganda you guys are full [ __ ]. you don't give a [ __ ] about the truth. and people started to realize too it's. like okay if somebody can make money off. something if they're getting paid for. for for this and that you can't trust. that information right they okay like. this is their livelihood on the line all. right take everything they say with a. grain of salt it's like you know you got. to get information from people who have. no financial interest in it um otherwise. it's like you don't know you have no.

idea yeah no idea but it's it is a great. time though to get information because. you're getting like I talked about. huberman who's so [ __ ] fantastic. you're getting unbiased Source. information from a legitimate scientist. from Stanford who's telling you this. works and this is why it works and these. specific nutrients are responsible for. these specific things that happen in. your body this was never available. before and now it's available for. millions and millions of people I mean. the hubman podcast is gigantic and he.

the people are listening to it every day. they're changing their life they're. doing cold plunges and saunas and. they're eating well and they they are. eating healthy foods they are avoiding. seed oils and and people are seeing. these immense physical benefits from it. health benefits from it yeah it's it's. super exciting you know as somebody who. I feel like as an athlete I kind of had. to be a little head of the curve on that. um just because I wanted to take care of. myself and so you know the the the cold. plunge the sauna the nutrition the you.

know what's good for you what's bad for. you understanding certain things it was. like now I see like a good uh like my. mom and dad are doing cold plunge every. morning now and uh I'm like let's go. like that's what I'm talking about my. parents have done sauna that don't do. Cal plunge they won't do I'm like come. on come I go I'll get you one we'll put. it at 50° just do a little bit just. doing for 30 seconds I've got thinking. about it like listen you'll feel happier. you'll feel happier make you feel better. I love so my uh me and my buddy Anthony. we do so for us our schedule Wednesday.

is just recovery day and uh so we'll go. in we'll do like some some contrast. we're tinkering with it a little bit. we're we're going to start doing some. like hubman protocols with Sonic cold. plunge and stuff and the best ever is. you we do like five minute rounds on the. cold plch so we go a little long but uh. the best ever is we do. like 15 or so minutes of we call it. shiver time after so it'll go cold just. shiver and freaking shake and then like. you you let your body kind of come back.

and regulate and get warm and then you. then we go in a in a hot shower and I'm. like I feel so good I know right I can't. like you can't be this this is amazing. it's a euphoric feeling if you could get. a pill that would make you feel that. good everybody would be taking it your. doctor be like B what we need to give. you is Happy take this happy take 50. milligrams of happy in the morning and. then 50 milligram of happy at dinner and. you'll be happy yeah well I think they. have that it's like freaking heroin and. stuff right I think that's different.

that makes you crash your car and fight. with cops what what what C plunge does. is is just without any negative side. effects it elevates your mood ramps up. your dopamine it last it ramps up your. dopamine by 200% and it lasts for hours. hours I feel great when I do that I mean. I've been doing it for a long time so. now it's like uh but I look forward to. it still every we I'm like nice like. let's go yeah I look forward to it too. until I'm right about to get in that's. the worst my the [ __ ] part of my brain. is like maybe you should like find a.

good song to listen to I like putting it. off as long you know yeah my buddy. Anthony the guy I mentioned he's such a. Savage he'll uh so he'll we go in first. just hop in and he'll go like up to his. chin and we have the Jets and stuff so. it's freaking going and uh do you have a. blue cube no we just have so at Penn. State we have like a recovery room um. and there's just a hot tub and a cold. tub so they're like think like a regular. hot tub in the ground with crazy Jets. but it's 40° or whatever 38° and uh so.

it it's kind of similar I think but but. less compact so probably a little less. intense but uh so we'll sit in that and. uh he'll go like up I used to go like to. my belly button or to my chest and he. would go to his chin every time and I'll. just be look at him I'm like I am a. [ __ ] I'm so it was so good now now go. up to my neck but uh it used it's good. that we do it together cuz sometimes I'm. like ah I don't want to do it yesterday. I had a climb under sheets of ice oh I.

had to get under it because uh I have a. at my house I have a morasco and the. morasco is 34 degrees and what happens. is on cold days like yesterday morning. it was like 34 degrees out so when I got. in it all the ice from the bottom forms. and then floats up to the top so I've. got this you know 3in thick slabs of ice. and I had to climb in and lift the ice. up and slide under it so there's. literally like these huge sheets of ice. that are 3 in thick that are right in.

front of my face I'm like [ __ ] it [ __ ]. [ __ ] [ __ ] but you also feel cool that. you could do it I love the fact that I. can talk myself into doing it every I. did it right before I came here I do it. every goddamn day and when I do it every. day I do it before workouts that's my my. thing now I do it first thing in the. morning right and um there's there's. been some studies was it out of Japan. that they had those studies that showed. it ramped up uh testosterone pretty. significantly okay significant increase.

in testosterone when you do the uh cold. plunge preworkout so you do the cold. plunge pre-workout and then what I do is. I do have a series of body weight. exercises that I do that warm me up body. weight squats push-ups so you don't go. hot after you just warm up from working. out no I don't do hot until after I'm. done training I like to do hot with. elevated heart rate oh yeah I like to do. hot like right after do rounds in the. bag I like to finish my workout with. tatas yep so either I finish my workout. with tatas on uh an airdine bike or a. heavy bag and then once I do that then I.

like to go in when I'm at like you know. 90 beats per second or per minute rather. and I I go right in when I'm already my. heart's already pounding and then I get. in that 185 degrees and just throw some. water on the rocks and [ __ ] suck it. up that's a wrestling style yeah you. have to do that way like if you want it. to be effective it's got to be difficult. I mean that that's when you're dealing. with cold and heat exposure it can't be. comfortable it's got to suck a fat dick. and that's the only way to do it it's. the only way I love stuff like that.

that's just it's just hard that I know. other people aren't aren't willing to do. yeah it makes um it it makes me feel. like I'm really living life because if. everything's just comfortable and easy. and you never really that stressed and. your body's never put under any pressure. you're just kind of floating and you're. you're good and I'm like I I would. freaking blow my brains out if I had to. live that way like I can't do it I got. to do hard things all the time yeah you.

know I got to always it's and I think. that a lot of people are starting to get. more into that where their priority. isn't Comfort yes you know like I'm not. I think for a long time in human history. the priority was just keep stay alive. and if you can be a little comfortable. then that's great but they were in. circumstances where 80% of their life. was really difficult already so when. they got that Comfort they enjoyed it. when you could sit on a couch in front. of the fire if you just been [ __ ].

busting your ass all day exhausted. that's when Comfort is appreciated and. valuable and it means something to you. right and when you got that when when. humans were able to get that easily. through you know cars and grocery stores. and and planes and things where you know. everything was kind of cell phones at. your hand like that stuff is such a. distraction from being the best version. of yourself exactly and that's really I. think one of the only ways that a person. is happy if they are being the best. version ofself and that takes work my my.

friend Michael Easter who's been a pod. uh guest in this podcast before I wrote. a book called The Comfort crisis and. it's all about that this this bizarre. place that we are where so many people. are just seeking comfort and taking the. path of least resistance and trying to. do things the easiest way possible and. people have never been more depressed. never been more unhappy never been more. unsatisfied more lost more existential. crisis and it's got to be connected to. that because I think the human body and. the human mind have requirements in.

terms of you need tasks and you need. difficult things to do and if you don't. do those things there's a contrast you. don't enjoy the easy moments unless you. have hard moments oh for sure yeah I. mean I know for a fact that's true. because if I were to just go eat an. In-N-Out cheeseburger like it it would. be nice it would be good but after after. I go through a full fight camp and I cut. 20 lbs and then I go win a fight and. then I had to in and out and have that.

cheeseburger I'm like hell yeah is so. good and I'm like but I don't want too. much of that like like I don't want I. don't want too much of the the the. dopamine from other things for whatever. it is because then it's just not as good. right like I like so when I was uh in. high school um I probably like my senior. high school we had homecoming and and. prom and like I I think I drank a little. bit um there and then I told myself I'm. like all right let's lock it up I'm. gonna go five years of college I'm not.

having a sip of alcohol like nothing and. uh so I went all five years didn't go to. bars didn't party no alcohol nothing. just straight up focus and and that was. it and then I remember uh my buddy and I. Anthony the guy I keep bringing up we. both uh won national titles our senior. year and then next week we went out and. we had a freaking time it was like. amazing we earned it yeah earned it and. yeah and now I'm like back on that grind. where I'm like nothing like I'm not.

doing you know I'm no alcohol like go to. a wedding I want a cigar sorry about no. cigar like like none of that stuff and. uh I love being able to do that like a. lot of times I'll I'll talk in my head. like damn it' be nice to like I'm eating. this fat ribeye like have a glass of. wine and wind down and I'm like no no. you need to like earn this right like I. don't know I like giving myself those. little edges where I know I'm. sacrificing something yeah I mean that's. what makes a champion yeah that really.

is hey I wanted to talk to you about uh. Sam calavita I'm I'm very fascinated by. that guy because I've seen some of the. footage of uh the training sessions that. they put on in his garage with TJ. Dillashaw and Juan archeleta and a a lot. of those guys that go down there and. train with him and it just seems like. he's got very unusual. uh strength and conditioning approaches. yeah he's the man Coach Cal. um I don't even like to talk about the. garage because it's like PTSD like.

seriously you know like uh I feel like. the trauma that I've lived in my life. has been through you know I've been very. fortunate so I haven't been any through. any like real trauma but like in my mind. the real trauma is like losing at. competitions and these crazy hard. training sessions and the garage really. dude it's like bro he kills us every. time and it's interesting that it is. just like a two-car garage so yeah you. just roll up to his house pull up a. video of Sam calavita the garage yeah.

because he's got everything just kind of. organized and stacked in there and. you've got world class Fighters that are. training with this guy in this [ __ ]. garage mhm he just let it play yeah he. uh he's a different breed of human being. Coach Cal he's you should have him on. he's I would love to he's like the best. he's literally the best guy in the world. he's Coach Cal let's do it yeah yeah. I'll I'll talk to him about it too cuz. uh yeah show some of the footage of the. actual training I thought this big not.

one but it's it's a very humble little. place it's not big at all just do the. work and TJ before before you had to go. through massive shoulder surgery yeah I. feel terrible for that guy I know no. rough well I knew that he had his super. spinatus had been torn on both shoulders. early in his career and I think that you. know the hard part is some guys are are. a little too tough for their own good. like with Coach. Cal you can really you got to be very.

that's it yeah you got to communicate. with him that's back up so we could see. that garage again CU it's kind of crazy. just it's kind of crazy this is like one. of the most respected strength and. conditioning establishments in the world. and it's a normal Suburban home with a. two-car garage and that is where all. these people go to train with one of the. best training strength and conditioning. coaches in the world mhm yeah so last. time I was down there um he's like uh.

hey uh you want to get a workout I was. doing a bunch of testing and stuff for. like Baseline for my V2 and all. different types of things he's like hey. B you want to uh you know go get a. workout in we'll go down to the beach. it'll be fun um you know we have some do. some sand workouts and stuff like it's. not like that it's not that crazy it's. like it's like a fun one I'm like all. right yeah yeah let's do it let's do. he's like Okay meet in my house for 45. minutes and he's very like so soft. spoken and uh I'm like okay yeah no. problem let's do it and I'm I'm solo so. it's like just me and uh which I don't.

know I think it makes it worse cuz when. you're with people it's like you're. suffering you know they're doing it too. right right and uh so I show up and he's. got his garage door open and he's got. like the big ass you know 70 to 120 lb. Med balls set out and like all this. stuff and I'm like What's Up coach like. he's like I was like oh we're going to. go to the beach he's like oh no I. changed mind we're going to do I'm like. you son of a [ __ ] you got me bro he. literally like destroyed me dude it was. like he always does this thing too. where it goes zero to 100 at the.

beginning like it's not like too much to. where you're going to get injured or. anything but like the work workout will. be like all right hop on this bosu ball. and I'm going to throw this 70 PB Med. ball at you as hard as I can you're. going to catch it and throw it back to. me and we're just going to freaking get. after it or hold onto this 50 lb medball. and hop backwards up this hill it's like. start going go go and he's like very and. like oh go go go and you'll go for like. an hour or you know hour and 15 minutes. doing whatever he says and he's like all. right good warm- Up's done no let's know.

let's let's and dude he's literally. warm- Up's done bro I'm not kidding like. hour and 15 minutes of hell and that's. the warm-up yeah so I'm trying to think. like of I don't want to give away like. his stuff but uh some like so so I did. that one workout I did that for. basically like an hour just heavy. medball stuff and then um. we did a bunch of uh what was it we we. did like some some heavy lifts after. that and then from there he gets his. sled out and he's like all right we're.

going to push the sled and he doesn't. tell you like how far you're going to go. or anything and uh so we just start. pushing the sled and so we go all the. way up the up that up the hill and. around the corner so you see this road. right behind them so we go up that road. all the way around the corner and uh me. it's me and Anthony we're going back and. forth on U on the sled it's like push. till you fail push till you fail and we. probably did it 60 times each like just. to get up around this corner and we're. like oh we're done like finally we got. and then he's like all right turn around. now we're going to do pull I'm like what.

like come on so then we pulled it all. the way back and uh then I'm like all. right finally like we're done and he. goes okay bike time hop on the bike and. this is like 2 hours and 30 minutes in. and I'm like Jesus okay is there too. much work though so he I think that when. we when we live in Pennsylvania right so. we're not there every day. so when we go out there he likes to. stick it to us a little bit he's still. like he's like let's see if you're tough. enough for the garage type thing I'm. like coach I've been working e you for. six years like I think I'm I think I'm.

kind of tough but he's like uh but. whenever we go out there he kind of he. give us the business a little bit but I. could imagine but is there a concern. though that that would require too much. recovery time if it's not a regular part. of your routine I think that. um it it if it's if it's just like a. onetime thing a lot of times it's not. you know like we're traveling out there. to get testing done things like that. like when we're doing our actual program. it's back home in Pennsylvania so then.

we'll get maybe one workout with him out. in Cali so he's like just freaking. Hammer us let's go and then all right. now you got like a few days like travel. back home you're rested you know go get. to your normal workout like our normal. workouts aren't that crazy um they're. but what is the benefit of like that. long a training session other than. mental I think it's mental and it's like. afterwards so you can't even really be. you know after a good workout you're. like feel good I think that it's just.

seeing how far you can push yourself. like all right where can I get and then. let's go further let's go further let's. go further let's like just see where you. can go because I don't feel like. physically it's like a it's not a. physical benefit thing like I'm not. taking and a lot of times too he's. teaching us a lot of new things that. we're implementing in the program so he. might do three like like three or four. different things that are different days. for us but we have to learn them and how. to do the exercises there and we only. have one day to do it so now it's like. we're doing all of this in one whereas.

now I'll go back home and this will be. split up so he's trying to teach us. stuff as well but it's more just like. hey man you want to work with me let's. see if you're tough you think you're a. tough guy like all right we'll see when. you have these very brutal training. sessions are you using uh heart rate. monitors are you monitoring your heart. rate Vari ability are you monitoring. your recovery rate your resting heart. rate to make sure that you're not. overtraining or you yeah yeah. everything's monitored yeah so he has a. program he has an app and uh anybody can.

use it actually which is pretty cool so. um I think it's just training lab app. and uh yeah you get a heart rate monitor. from him and so for me when I'm in Camp. and training um I I keep my heart rate. and and all that information gets sent. to him so I can look at it if I want but. he's the one that's analyzing it and. looking at it and making sure that. everything's good and it's very open. dialogue like a big thing in Combat. Sports and wrestling and stuff is uh you. don't really say like oh I'm kind of.

feel it I'm kind of tired like you just. you just tough it out but if you're a. real professional like you need to be in. communication and say like certain. things like okay so a good example a. couple camps ago so we up my overall. weekly volume as uh kind of the camp. goes on and I got to a point where I was. pretty freaking tired feeling it and uh. I actually broke out in like herpes cuz. I was stressed my body was stressed and. he was like all right well now we found. like your limit so now our overall.

volume for the week like this is kind of. where we stop so we know what you can do. and uh so there's a lot of analyzing a. lot of Science and algorithms and. different things that he utilizes and. fortunately for me like I don't have to. learn all those things he's the expert. so I just trust him yeah well that's. great it's that's a definitely a great. thing to have it's amazing that he's got. this app that he can monitor when you're. not even there yeah no it's huge cuz. obviously being in different places and. stuff and I don't want to guess like I. don't want to guess whether or not I'm.

ready to go or whether or not I'm doing. everything in an optimal way I want to. know for a fact and that's why we do um. hair analysis for um minerals and tissue. and things like that that's why we test. our our V2s that's why we test our um. crossover point point and our resting. metabolic rates and things like this you. know that's why we do all those things. CU I'm not interested in guessing I'm. not interested in kind of feeling like. I've done everything right I want to. know right right right how do you.

because you're saying you essentially. organize everything yourself when you're. back at home how do you decide like when. to do strength and conditioning when to. do skill acquisition when to do specific. drills. so because I have trained so much and so. long and because my dad was a coach so. my dad was always putting programs. together for his teams understanding. peing understanding how to periodize. understanding when we want to have tough.

matches when we want to push ourselves. that was something I was always around. and then coming into Penn State was like. that on steroids and so um I think a lot. of it is just learned and absorbed from. what I've been around and uh just seeing. like a a typical schedule of when when. our coaches have had us do certain. things and when we've had recovery days. and stuff so you know it's not something. that I've like really had to go find. it's just been ingrained in me since I. was five and you know I had a good.

example with my dad because he coached. tons and tons of High School state. champions state championship teams and. guys who were you know compete went on. to compete in college and and do big. things so I got that solid idea of what. it takes to organize a program very. young and then you know like I said when. I got to college it was like okay here's. a new level then I started working with. Coach Cal boom new level and now I'm. always like kind of looking for things. to to up that to do better to improve to. add in and uh or or things that you know.

maybe aren't serving me as much anymore. and we kind of do away so it's just. something that's on my mind it's like. that's my job my job is to take care of. myself this is my profession okay I want. to choose this path now you got to take. all of the responsibility that comes. with that and be a professional so that. that that's kind of how I feel like I've. been able to organize it the way I have. and when you organize these training. sessions like how how do you organize. recovery do you organize it based on the.

data that you're getting from the app. and from your heart rate monitor like. how do you how are you doing that or is. it just like a a thing that you do every. day I have a weekly schedule so. everything's scheduled out for the week. and uh typically the weeks are very it's. like a similar base right so like Monday. I'll I'll get two sessions Tuesday I'll. get i'll get two sessions Wednesday. recovery I'm off Thursday um two. sessions Friday one Saturday one Sunday. off and those sessions are all different.

right like um Monday I typically the. morning is like striking afternoon. wrestling Tuesday Morning Spar afternoon. lift off Wednesday Thursday morning. grappling afternoon light wrestling. Friday my heavier Spar day Saturday lift. Sunday off so you always like to take. two days off a week that's the standard. yeah that's that's for me what I feel. like is the right move and I think. people people are doing too much. honestly people are going every day.

twice a day and it's like not really to. me manageable reasonable and I think. they're overtrained how did you come to. those conclusions was it through data or. was it through trial and error well that. two days off uh it comes from Coach Cal. yeah that's from him and all his data. and his trial and error and also. like uh from from Penn State from our. program and how we've run things and. stuff so that was a standard for me as. soon as I got to college two days and do.

you take those days off are you watching. tape are you studying things yeah so um. Wednesday is more of an active recovery. so I'll I'll go in um and I'm really. fortunate because my buddy Anthony me. and him are on the exact same schedule. so we always just do everything together. which is great cuz now I have some some. a partner to do all these things with. but uh we have a bunch of um like. basically body weight exercises and. stretches and certain things that we do. uh alongside the contrast tubbing and.

sauna and then I'll either get a massage. or go to the Cairo and uh you know. basically just take care of all the. little things I need to you know if I. got um like I I have specific injuries I. need to focus on that that to me like. you get an injury you don't just do. rehab for eight weeks and then move on. like I'm always taking care of these. things so that I'd never have reag. gravate I'm staying ahead and so that's. the day where I do all that stuff and. then Sunday is is is nothing Sunday I. just I go to church I hang out with my.

wife and and see my family maybe do like. a Sunday dinner with people and that's. more of like a emotional mental recovery. yeah now what has the UFC said in terms. of like setting you up for a fight in. the future do you do you have anything. lined up yeah yeah so no opponent yet. but I'm going to fight UFC 300 oo that's. a big one I know yeah April right is. that April April yeah yeah did they is. that Vegas Yes nice yeah I'm fired up.

that's going to be fun and no opponent. yet now are you asking for a specific. level of opponent are you trying to get. someone in the top 15 like what are you. trying to do so my goal for this next. fight is you know just whoever they give. me um I'm still on my first contract so. I kind of want to fight this out and. then see and then see as it goes but I. would like how many fights are in that. contract I have two left okay yeah so it. was four um so I would like to fight. this fight and then my next fight I. would like to get somebody that's maybe. right outside the rankings right in. there like in the mix and then hopefully.

that'll be ideally like July and then if. I get i'll at least get one more next. year maybe two and then I would like to. after that obviously fight a ranked guy. so hopefully like a rank guy my third. fighter next year and how much time are. you looking to have in between fights. well I told my manager I was like if. they could book me for UFC Miami in. March and go again in April cuz I feel. like I'm going just whoever they put in. front of me I'm going to kill him so. let's do it but they're like they don't. really do that this and that and like.

he's like so you can either just do the. UFC Miami card and then hopefully. something maybe something will fall out. and you'll get there or you can like. guarantee yourself on 300 and I was like. well I'd rather I really want to fight. on UFC 300 so let's just do that um so. that's uh April May June July so then. I'll basically basically run those back. to back and then after that I don't want. to plan like too far ahead because who. knows what happens in MMA right but. after that I mean I'm ready to go if I.

finish a guy again let's go again that's. kind of how I feel well the the division. that you're in 185 pound division is so. exciting right now when when Strickland. beat ad asagna and opened it up and when. uh drus dupc beat down Robert Whitaker. like a lot of things opened up this is a. very very exciting time yeah it is it is. I I I feel like you know there's a. there's a lot of good guys um but I like. where I'm at I think I'm a tough matchup. for any of these guys and they all want.

to fight me now because I'm the worst. that I'll be right so you hear you hear. some of these guys talking about me and. stuff like they want to fight me now I'm. like that's that's smart you know cuz. where I'm at right now is not going to. be where I'm at in six months it's not. going to be where I'm at in a year well. that's why I'm so excited to see you in. April because you got so good at [ __ ]. years like what is going to happen to. you in the with the 6 months off or. seven months off yeah and I'm I'm I'm. not the type of guy like to just. training camp like I'm always on it. obviously right so I'm always getting.

better and improving but which is which. is gigantic yeah it's that's where the. real gains are made exactly I agree for. sure and uh you know it's interesting. because I've had five professional. fights you know I don't know what. somebody's going to game plan for it's. like all right you watch me beat Five. Guys basically in like six minutes. combined total time like okay study that. bud like good luck and I'm not even. gonna be the same like I'm not even. right I'm taking however many months. that's like 40% of my total training.

time in my career so like I don't know. man I'm not even going to be close to. what I was this last fight and even in. this last fight you got 30 seconds to. watch so it's so bananas that you've. gone this far in just a couple years I. haven't even been hit yet no seriously. go back and watch all my fights so my. last fight I cracked the dude with the. right hook and he kind of came over the. top and like barely touched my head but. it was already like it wasn't even it. was almost like a slap like I didn't. even feel it but I don't even count that. like I have not been hit in five. professional fights two amateur fights.

I've been hit on training obviously but. um yeah it's a weird I didn't expect. this I expected like I said to have a. different path but here I am and I'm. going to make the most of it and I'm I'm. excited like to uh just keep getting. better is the main thing I just want to. keep getting better andove andove andove. yeah have big goals and stuff but the. main thing is just keep getting better. well I'm I'm a fan man I'm very excited. to watch this one more thing I want to. talk to you about is how didd you get. into Boh hunting yeah so um I grew up my. dad uh and Granddad uh hunted and they.

they were interested in hunting and. stuff and uh so when I graduated college. in 2019 I was kind of thinking like all. right I I want to figure out other. things I'm interested in and I actually. saw uh I saw cam h on Instagram and I. was like oh this looks cool like I like. you know I'm I kind of always have. enjoyed the outdoors and stuff and I've. always been into my nutrition and I was. really interested I was like I want to. like hunt for my food that I eat I want. to be eating elk and deer and things.

like that and so uh then I would started. thinking about getting a bow and stuff. and I it wasn't like a rush decision I. took probably like almost like six or. eight months where I was like thinking. about it thinking about it thinking. about it and then I finally was like all. right like I I really want this like I'm. I'm going to do it and so then I got. hooked up with Lancaster Archery uh. they're great archery sh great place I. buy a lot of my [ __ ] from them no. they're awesome and so uh is this an elk. hunt that you went on this was New. Mexico this year yeah oh wow was that.

your first elk hunt uh first archery elk. archery elcut in New Mexico for the. first one is amaz that's the promised. land yeah it was great man nice it was. awesome yeah that was uh that was the. September yeah yeah you're all hooked up. look at you co you dude it's so fun. B you're ready to go man I'm ready to go. yeah what was that like man it's like. the exact same feeling as knocking. somebody out cold it's one of the most. exciting things I've ever done it's so.

fun man it's so crazy B hunting is just. it's it's so it's also so complicated so. difficult with so many moving parts to. dance you know gosh so many things. happening should I stand Here by the. tree which way is he coming you know. with the wind and range do I have chance. to range them or am I going to just like. range areas yes I going to pin Gap what. am I going to do I love that chess match. too you know between you and the animal. it's the same as a fight and uh I. actually like when I got my bow it was. probably June or July and I started.

shooting it and I was like yeah I'm not. doing this this this fall like I'm gonna. get good I'm gonna get good so I took I. took a year and a half basically of of. full training before I even did any. archery hunting do you have an archery. coach I don't have a coach no but I I uh. watch like all the the knocked on like. school. so I watch tons of film on that and then. Dudley's the man he's great yeah like. he's it's so funny cuz there's like not. that many people I look up to you know. it's like but him he's like I'm like. dude this guy's the he's the man yeah.

yeah I'm like I saw I think it was last. year he killed four Bulls in four. different states I'm like. dude I I need to do that like that's. amazing but uh I just thought that was. that was the coolest thing but when I go. to Lancaster they helped me a ton so. they helped me get set up correctly and. things like that which now when I tell. people who ask me about it who are. interested in doing archery I say the. most important thing is go to a good. archery shop and get set up and have. them teach you like good kind of. fundamentals you can Tinker with.

everything and but you don't want to. learn bad initially and then have to. unlearn it yeah like all the other stuff. you know tinkering like what do you want. your your what do you want to use for a. release or stabilizer like just get set. up get your draw Link correct get your. peep height you know get get get. everything put on get your grip right. and have a good starting point and good. foundation and then you can kind of go. from from there you're going to be on a. so much better trajectory if you're. learning incorrectly from the jump so I. was able to learn correctly from the.

beginning and then it's the same thing. with with striking I just apply. everything I know with wrestling and now. that's hunting and archery for for me. and I freaking love it it's all I want. to do is go fight people knock them out. and then go chase El and yeah that's. awesome man um what what kind of. broadheads are you using so I've been. using rage hypodermic I like them they. get the job done that's what I shot that. bull with I mean it was a frontal shot. straight through the heart so any. Broadhead would have done the trick but. uh I don't know man I'm I'm always open. to like learning new things I think.

there's different reasons to use. different types of broadheads right like. I shoot uh uh 80 pounds and I have a. pretty long draw length so mechanical. like I'm not that worried about. penetration right but you know in a. longer shot or a follow-up shot I have. uh iron Wheels as well for for a longer. followup where I'm more worried about. something like that and then you know. like I said it's going to be different. for every animal for every situation so. I think some people get so stuck on like. this is the way to go it's like well I.

mean it's different for everybody like. if I I have a 30 and a half inch draw. it's can be different than somebody with. a 27 inch draw it's can be different. somebody shooting 65 right versus 80. pounds it's like you know it's all it's. all so I'm not married to anything. really that's great and what kind of. release are you using I us a knock to it. thumb release yeah great I love that. can't go wrong no I feel like so I. wasn't orally using an index release um. but once I started using the thumb. release I just got so much more accuracy. and. consistency and uh it was like I mean.

that that was just to me the way to go. yeah I I killed my bull uh last one with. a knock to it I think it's just it's. such a great release and I really do. like the two fingers too yeah yeah do. you use the uh silver back at all do you. I used to I I trained with that I. learned how to really correctly that's. what John put me on initially yeah. that's so I have one I haven't really. like set it up cuz you got to fiddle. with it a little bit to get the poundage. right and all that but uh I feel like I. want I wouldn't use it for hunting but I.

want to use it for for training and. stuff it's very good to make sure that. you're pulling hard against the back. wall and you get a full clean release. yeah with the follow through it's the. best feeling I love that man but I've. hunted with it too have you yeah Joo. hunts with that oh really yeah yeah yeah. a lot of guys still like to hunt with it. but you know yeah yeah dude I would love. to go out with you guys I think uh a guy. said um I know a guy who his name is. Rick he uh I don't know if he owns place. there's the connection in Utah but he. asked Rick wood Rick yeah okay he asked.

me to come out with you guys um this. last fall but I uh I already had my uh. New Mexico hunt setup so but dude it. would be fun I would just freaking hang. out and pack out yeah it would be fun. it's going to be really fun but listen. brother uh really appreciate you coming. in here I'm a big fan I'm very excited. about what you're doing and I'm really. excited about future so it's been cool. to talk to you and I I can't wait to see. you in April thank you see 300 let's go. let's get it baby appreciate tell. everybody you have an interesting uh. Instagram handle you might not be able. to find it yeah you can find me at no.

Bickle one that's instead of bow nickel. no Bickle how did that happened so it. was kind of funny when I was in high. school um I just that was when Instagram. kind of started getting big and I was. like trying to figure out what I want I. was just going to do Bow nickel or. something my is there a bow nickel out. there I don't think so but my buddy uh. his name is Jack he was like how about. no Bickle and I was like dude that's it. so I can't take credit for the idea but. I'll just V with that one well it works. uh all right dude well thank you very. much thanks for coming in here. appreciate you thanks all right bye.

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