JRE MMA Show #141 with Mike Perry

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe. Rogan experience. TRAINED BY DAY, JOE. ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day. Yes, sir. What's happening? Good to see you, brother. man. Great to be here. You want some coffee? Sure, yeah. Sure, I'll take some. All right. Dude, you have had a fascinating. renaissance. Cheers, sir. Cheers, brother. Hot as [ __ ] This bare-knuckle boxing.

thing has been fascinating to watch, man, because it's like someone designed. the perfect sport for you. Mhm. You know. what I mean? I Yes. Like you are you are. particularly well suited for that, and. it's I find it so fascinating because. there's uh there's a certain I I really. wanted to ask you about this because. there's a certain something that applies. to bare-knuckle fighting that just it it. it it's like there's a pain and there's.

a danger and there's a wildness of it. that even some very great fighters, they. get to a certain they're in there and. they're like, "I don't like this." All. right. They're too used to gloves, they're too used to whatever they're. used to. They don't they don't want that. experience once they find it, once. they're in there. But you seem to thrive. on it. You know, it's just a real fight to me. Um even though I mean, I still go to the. gym and I do MMA with the guys like. I'm. I love boxing so much though. It's it's.

my forte. It's like what I'm good at. Um. cuz I'm I'm cool to take a punch, get. hit. That's fine. I'll take a hit to. land a better one on you. And um in bare. knuckle, I mean. there's a lot of opportunity to fight. guys who. I mean, I did fight Julian Lane who had. experience in it. Yeah. He had nine fights in it Yeah. when we fought and then I fought two. guys who hadn't done it yet.

So, you know, um. But it's it's just like like let's talk. about those two guys. Like first of all, Michael Venom Page. That guy is super. talented. Yeah. I mean, he's extraordinary. When. you watch him fight in MMA. And he's a. guy that I kind of predicted one day. I. was like the one skill that's that you. don't see a lot of in MMA is this crazy. blitz point fighting style. Cuz those. guys can cover crazy distances. Those. those really good point fighters. And he.

was a really good point fighter. And um he was the first guy that kind of. shoot showed how that style could apply. in MMA. He's so elusive. And so hard to. hit. And um you know, you just put it on him. To. Well, it was different, you know. It was. It's different. boxing. I mean, he beat a couple guys. boxing. Yeah. Um but it's um. I mean, cuz he's good MMA. After I beat. him, I thought, you know, maybe they'll.

try to make that fight happen in MMA. now, but I do feel like I would. overpower him grappling-wise. Um but his legs are very dangerous. I. mean, that last guy he fought it kicked. him in the leg and it was over. Yeah, he's very dangerous. Um that not the. knockout of Cyborg was [ __ ] crazy. Yeah. crazy. ball. Yeah, it's crazy. he caved his forehead in. Yeah, his legs. That's what I'm saying. His legs are dangerous. It's interesting. to me to want you know, I'm hungry for. fights. I want to fight all these.

[ __ ] Well, I think with a guy. like that it's funny. I I was watching. Stylebender was on Andrew Schulz's. podcast and they were talking about him. boxing some days. Like boxing is too. limited. It's too limited a fight. You. think about a guy like him who applies. this full wild range of things, especially with Michael Venom Page. Because he's so good at closing distance. and kicking you and kneeing you and that. the knee the timing of that knee that. mean. magnificent right? Yeah, it's a And when you take all that. away and you only have these it's a big.

difference. It's a gigantic difference. It's it's so interesting. have the same difference and I like it. Mhm. I like it fits me um. I mean I did boxing um I had one pro. boxing match. I'm still 0 and 1 as a. professional boxer. But then I did that. thriller thing in the triangle and I. fought uh Michael Seals who was 27 and 3. in a mixed boxing match with uh turtle. back MMA gloves.

And um. you know, I won. I mean I just put the pressure on him. the whole time. what are what are turtle back MMA. gloves? Turtle back are like the training MMA. gloves. Oh okay. But it was it was like while Metallica. was playing oh yeah, here it is. Oh so. they're they're like kind of big MMA. gloves. He was 27 and 3 as a professional boxer. Mhm. He drops me. uh. like once they counted it once he. dropped me. Uh another time I got hit in the back of. the head and the ref saw it and I went.

down a little bit but I got right back. up. So what is the biggest difference. about bare knuckle for you? I I've learned though. So like when I. fought Julian Lane his little [ __ ]. head hurt my hands cuz it a lot of the. time with boxing gloves on your hands. are like open. Mhm. And you try to close. it at the right time but. you know it if you do that bare knuckle. cuz you know how if you're squeezing. your fist it's a little harder to move.

You're kind of tense. But in bare. knuckle you have to learn how to move. while you're tense and keep your hands. closed because with gloves you can block. a shot like this but in bare knuckle you. got to be closed up tight and squeezing. your fist so hard so that when you hit. them in the head, you're you don't. destroy your hand. Yeah, there's like. there's three levels of vulnerability. And the level number one is like you. would see a lot of the like the glory. guys. They keep their hands in a shell.

like Alistair Overeem or you know, like. Badr Hari. Those guys would shell up. They shell up, but they have those big. ass gloves. And you see that when they. come to MMA, some of those shots sneak. through. Yes. But then bare knuckle is. it's another level of sneaking through. It's a totally different It's. It's really interesting to watch a. really good fighter like Luke Rockhold, you know, and you. And you know, Luke Rockhold is very. skillful. He's a very skillful guy. And when you were putting it on him, I.

was like, this is a totally different. thing. And you are like uniquely suited for. this totally different thing. Thank you. it's different than regular boxing, man. And when remember when Paulie Malignaggi. fought Artem Lobov? Well, Paulie, I mean, he's a scrawny dude. Yeah. And Lobov was just a little dog. He's a dog. Yeah, so it was a good. fight, to be honest, but the jabbing and. moving that Paulie did didn't work for. him. And Luke, I don't know, you know,

that's kind of what we were talking. about when you brought up Luke, we were. talking about I was talking about the. tight fist and like how bare knuckle is. different. And it's like I figured out. how to. utilize the bare knuckle. I mean, I knocked his teeth out. I hit. him by the time I caught him and then he. was like, I'm not trying to get hit like. that again. It was a matter of time. The. gap was closing. It takes a second. He hit me, too, and I told him I bet it. Um I haven't talked to him about it or.

asked him cuz I don't Um I mean, you. know, he lost or whatever, so I don't. talk to losers. But I try to do what. winners do, man. I try to think about. winners. But when I hit him with that. shot and he didn't want to get hit. again, um he had hit me. I got a little. knot on my face right there. But I took. it and I bet it hurt him. I bet it hurt. his hand. I told him before the fight, "You're going to punch me in the head. It's going to be the hardest thing. you've ever hit. And then I'm going to I'm going to. headbutt you in your hands and I'm going. to punch you in your face and you're.

going to quit." And that's what he did. Wow. Yeah, it's good stuff, man. It's a different thing, man. It's a. different thing. I think I can do it in. any gloves, though. Any sport. I could. fight in the UFC. I have a mindset and I. fight with these guys. I do MMA. I see. your belt on the wall in there when I. went and did the cold plunge. Your It's. like a red belt or a black belt with red. stripes and. Jean Jacques Machado. That's not your. belt? No, no. It's Jean Jacques Machado. When. he when he got his coral belt, he he.

gave some of them out to some of his. Man, dudes like that, you know. Coral. belt stuff. I'm I'm going to chase back. my. my black belt. I'm a purple belt four. stripe for years now. Could have been. had my brown belt. I got great. jiu-jitsu. I train with some of the best. jiu-jitsu practitioners. I just choose. to sprawl and brawl. I like to punch. people. I think it's the best off. button. I enjoy it and it's exciting. It's entertainment business, right? So, um. I you know, uh.

[ __ ] lost my There's something to be. said for that, for sure. I mean, look, people love to watch you fight. Thank you. I appreciate it. I was always. a giant fan. You. Oh, that's what I was my point was. Yeah, you had wild wild eyes. anyone, anywhere. I would love to. Please, give me opportunities. I want to. show and be I want to be a [ __ ] coral. belt in my own right, in my own way. And. people know when Mike Perry walks down. the street, it's like that's what the. baddest [ __ ] that ever lived, dude.

Mike Perry, they're going to talk about. me just like they did Mike Tyson. I feel. like Mike Tyson. I feel. different. I'm I'm better. What what changed in you? Like how how. did you come into your own? Because you. were always a really good fighter, but. it seems like over the last few years. like you're on a completely different. level. a family. I love them so much and. you know, I'm a I'm a human. I [ __ ] up. I make mistakes and [ __ ] but. you know, I know I don't give up. I keep.

going and I push and I took you know, David Goggins type [ __ ] you know, it's. like I stopped making [ __ ] excuses. and. [ __ ] was like, you know, cuz I'm hurt. all the time. I'm always [ __ ] hurt. I. don't care. I'm like, all right, [ __ ]. it. I got to wake up every day and feel. this [ __ ] You can't [ __ ] hurt me. because. I'm I'm in enough pain. I take anything. you got and give it back. That's fighting and I got and I do it.

for. you know, I do it for fighting. I love. fighting. like that's my [ __ ] That's. even though it hurts, it [ __ ] my face. up. I've hate it's a love-hate. relationship. My family can hurt my feelings, too. So, it's all emotional feelings and if you. tell yourself just. who cares? Like just no one cares about. your problems or anything. So, just. handle your business.

When did you get into fighting? Like. when did you get into martial arts? Um I feel like to be honest, I feel like. it was September 15th, 1991. The day I was born, but um 11 years old, I was on YouTube doing videos, watching. Mike Tyson, Roy Jones Jr., going to. school, bringing gloves, um. or or fighting kids on the block. Um. in the grass, you know, with gloves on, busting kids up, older kids, kids my.

age, it don't matter. Um. it's just always been a fun game. I. played all sports, basketball, rode my. bike 20 miles all over the streets. Times have changed. Kids ain't out there. like that no more. I don't know. I'm surprised I didn't get. kidnapped. I probably would have stabbed. the the guy trying to do it though. How. many fights did you get in as a kid? Oh man, I remember my dad always saying, "Uh-uh, I'm a hundred knowing these. streets.". I fought 200 times or something, but you.

know. I'm like, "No, you didn't." I do. I fight I. Other than the streets, I mean, just my. whole life, you know, I spar every week. Sometimes two or three or four times, sometimes every day. And are you doing. MMA sparring because you want to compete. in MMA again or are you doing it because. you love it? Like. I want to fight. people and I want to be better than them. and um In MMA, too. Yeah, it's like I've had so much success. with this bare-knuckle boxing and it's.

like. give me a challenge. What do you think. about bare-knuckle MMA? Cuz I know I. believe Jorge Masvidal's organization. does that, right? Is that Is that true? Yeah, they do. Jorge's a bare-knuckle MMA thing. What do you think about cuz like. why why do we protect the the knuckles. of the hands when you don't protect all. these other weapons? You don't protect. elbows, you don't protect knees or. shins, which are harder. It's kind of. crazy that the one thing that's padded.

is the one thing you're kind of padding. it cuz it's vulnerable. Well, you. figured out a way. to fight really at your best. without that. I feel like I don't I. don't want to use the glove as an excuse. either though because I feel like in. ways you can punch harder with a glove. You can throw a bigger shot with a. glove. No, no for sure. No no argument at all. It definitely protects your hands and. it's definitely safer for the fighter, but is Is Is it realistic? Like why is. this one thing encased? Why are your. hands encased?

Boxing has been around for hundreds of. years and that's what we did, you know. cuz it seems barbaric. It seems barbaric. to be able to hit someone with bare. knuckle, but it's really That's but. that's the real thing. That's the That's. real. Right? The knuckle thing is like. this agreed upon padding. I mean, I'm looking into the the. business of bare knuckle. Um I want to. do like a Sanshou with a karate combat. uh five-second ground and pound uh bare. knuckle allow elbows. Um like, you know,

PFL doesn't allow elbows, so that's. weird. I want to you know, why would you. make us a sport where you utilize your. whole body. and. then you're going to cut off one of the. biggest weapons. I've knocked people out. with elbows. Yeah. What do you think of. Lethwei? They're using headbutts and elbows. Is. that a Is that a name of a uh. It's a style of fighting. It's like Muay. Thai, but with like headbutts. Oh, wow. Headbutts.

You never seen a dude David the dude? told or you know, headbutts are kind of. like um we don't go that far. Yeah, he's amazing. This this cat who's. the king of Lethwei is this uh wild dude. who He does headbutts in combination. Lethwei is the sport? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's basically like like a more brutal. version of Muay Thai where they allow. headbutts. Okay. They do it in Myanmar. And this dude is actually from Canada. I've seen him before.

[ __ ] everybody up, man. He headbutts the [ __ ] out of people. I. He [ __ ] everybody up, man. to fight him. He's a killer. That'd be a. wild fight. That'd be great. Yeah, but this is the. thing. It's like it's all bare knuckle, but headbutts you're you're allowed to. do a lot of [ __ ]. You hit Like it looks like you can't hit. the guy when he's down, but you you can. throw uh elbows and headbutts in. combination and everything's bare. knuckle. Yeah, you know, like I was saying, I. want a challenge because.

I mean, the bare knuckle is still. challenging, but I made it so easy last. time. Luke Rockhold didn't have a chance. and it seemed like I could have beaten. him in MMA. Do you think that Do Do you think. there's ever a I mean, could it ever be. possible that even boxing would go to no. no gloves? Like if people just decide they'd like. bare knuckle more. No, because there's this. there's this. what do you call it? Deep down in the. boxing, like it has its own soul.

And that's why it's been around for 200. years and or more and. um. you know, it's like when you have. Speaking of boxing, Teebud vs. Spence. coming up. Amazing. What a fight. Yeah. I get goosebumps just thinking about. that one. Yeah. Everything about it. Spence Is Spence. the same since the car accident? Even. though he's had fights, I've seen him, you know, not paying attention in the. fight with Ugas. Ugas was hitting him. because he just was like looking around.

in the ring. And then And these guys, you know, Teebud 39 and 0. Yeah. That's insane. Insane. So and he's a. dog. He's a dog and he's the best switch. hitter since Hagler. They're going to. fight. That dude can fight so well. orthodox so well southpaw. the gloves and their technique is Mhm. so tight. Yeah. They can't. They can't take their gloves off. The. fight be over. That's the problem. These. 12-round fights, these guys go at it for. all 12. Mhm. And.

you know. Yeah, it's a different thing. It's just a totally different thing. I guess you got to want a a knockout or. a technique. you know, whichever one the fans want. the most. If they like bare knuckle, I. mean, they do. It's just so different. There's just so much you could you could. never get away with. It's exciting and it's fast-paced and. everything is like pushes like we go for. it. So, people enjoy watching it more. than you know, you're always at the.

fights live. UFC the best fights in the. world though. It's got to be amazing. It's amazing. Yeah. You get the feel of everything, the crowd, the moments. I know it's great. There's nothing like being in the room. when it's happening. Shout out Philly. Fresh. He fighting Jacksonville UFC. event in Jacksonville, Florida on the. 24th. So, in 10 days. Who is he. fighting? Is he fight He It's a good. It's a good [ __ ] fight. Neil Magny. Oh. They look They're the same, you. know? Wow. That's a good fight. Just comparison. It's not racist like,

you know, all the jokes in the comedy. club. Crazy. Not from you. Some of your other. comments. Wasn't me. Hilarious though. Yeah, funny dudes. Um they're both like Neil Magny has a. crazy gas tank. Crazy gas tank. You know? Uh I mean, he's he's proven. Neil Magny has proven by beating people. that you didn't expect him to beat. Yeah. And he shows up in battles. I I mean, I'm obviously I'm rooting for.

my friend. He's got great jiu-jitsu. too, man. Feels on the rise too, man. And he is on the rise. And his mindset. has been this focused mindset for the. past couple years. He really. you know, we both kind of made a turn. and a change. He's got a couple babies. now. Uh you know, we're growing up in this. sport. We've been doing this [ __ ] for. Honestly, I'm 31. I've been doing this. [ __ ] for 20 years. Do you think that bare-knuckle like that. there's less of a.

less of a length of your career if you. do bare-knuckle to be Is it Is it more. likely that you could get injured? Like. you could hurt your hands? Or do you think that you could have the. same length of career bare knuckles as. you can in like regular MMA? I feel like. I'm going to fight every day of my life. forever for the rest of time that I am. here on this earth because that is what. I do, that is what I was put here to do. and it doesn't matter what you do for a. living, you're fighting for something. Everyone's fighting. You know, I fight.

to get out of bed in the morning cuz my. neck hurts, so. you know, and I'm going to keep [ __ ]. doing it every day forever until. you know, God bless my friend Michael. Melmerstadt and his family. He passed. away. He was a great man. He's got three. boys he left behind. I I I did a. GoFundMe for the family. His wife got. that and. you know, um. boxing. you know, I did it to him and you don't. know which cuz he was so good. He was. such a great He's a black belt in. jiu-jitsu. He's a MMA fighter, a cop, a.

SWAT member and then. just working out one day in boxing and. his brain was bleeding and Oh man. Uh. it's insane. So, it's like. a sparring match? You know, I got to go. 100% now Yeah. because you never know. God damn. And. I've been in wars, you know what I mean? I thought after that, but it's like I. can't give up because I have the. opportunity. to I'm making money. I'm making money.

now. It's crazy the money I'm making. So, You know. Look at you. I'm. I know, but your money you you don't. care about that stuff. You're like I. mean this this place, this facility, all. the stuff you got, all the toys and. gadgets and it's crazy. You It's not. even toys and gadgets. It's samurai. armor from. 15 million years ago, the first samurai. ever and Uh I got dinosaur bones We got. a bison skull coming today from John.

Reese. Isn't that cool? Mike Tyson's. jacket like. Yeah. That's Gordon Ryan's Abu Dhabi belt. Gordon Ryan's great jiu-jitsu guy, man. He's He's done well. Yeah. You know, I got to do I kind of called him out on. something. And, you know, he competes against, you. know, jiu-jitsu those guys will compete. against anyone. So, it's like I would. probably lose, but we were going to do. like a slap jitsu. I It's. A slap jitsu? Hell yeah. Oh, [ __ ].

Hell yeah. Let's do slaps and [ __ ]. That is different. That adds a whole. another element. break my foot and I'll have to. Yeah, you don't want to He could play. Can he play with me though? I'm such a. grown man. Like I mean, like. That's such a great way to put it. I'm. I'll fight anyone, dude, but it's not a. fight. It's the rules. It's how they lay. the rules out for you. Bare knuckle is. my rule set, for sure. the thing about slapping. This is the.

reality. If you go back and watch Bas. Rutten in the Pancrase days, Bas Rutten was the first guy to figure. out you you're calling it a slap, but. Bas Rutten is pulling his hands way back. and he's palming you and he can actually. hit you and not even worry about hurting. his hands. So, he can kind of hit you. harder in a lot of ways. Right. No, slaps are I mean, you can you. can palm. strike. in bare knuckle. Isn't that [ __ ] up? That's crazy. I slapped Julian Lane a. couple times. The ref was like I'm like,

"Damn, dude, I can't even close my hand. It's like the fifth round. I can't even. close my shit." I slapped Look at the. Bas Rutten was [ __ ] people up. See. how he's like how far he's pulling his. hand back? Yeah. Bas is great, man. He's a legend. He was an animal, but he was figuring. out how to really [ __ ] people up with. palm strikes. So, then what it wasn't as. simple as like slapping is safer or. something like that. I think that was. like one of the reasons why they. It used to be able to do it in. California at one point in time. You. were you were able to do Pancrase. So, they could slap, but you had to have an.

open hand. There was like a lot of those. rules back then. You know, but Bas figured out. So, like. so combat jiu-jitsu. with just slapping, if it's getting to. the ground like you could hit somebody. pretty [ __ ] hard with the palm of. your hand if you're in the top position. grappling. Yeah. Already. You can't It's. not just slap boxing. slap from the beginning, which is kind. of weird, too. No, [ __ ] It's kind of. weird, too. Like how Let me. They should. let me. Gordon Ryan would let me. I can. I'm a I don't know if he'd I'mma slap.

boxes ass. Yeah. It's uh Try not to let him get a hold of. me. Man, I brought you some gifts. you? I did. I. [ __ ] if I could get that out of the. way. Nothing special, man. Nothing crazy cuz. you're Joe Rogan. I don't know. I tried. to bring you something, though. I don't. Thank you very much. Thank you. people gifts. Well, I appreciate it, man. Let's see, man. Let's see here. I'm glad. you came in here because I've really. been appreciating your fights. I really. have. And especially the the bare.

knuckle ones recently. I'm like, "God. damn.". Give them any attention, dammit. What you got in there, dude? Everything. Everything, dude. I got so much stuff in here. So, you can just give it to me later if. you want. I got to give it to you. All right. Here we go. Does your um. contract with bare knuckle, do they let. you do other kind of fights? Yes, they'll let me box.

They let other guys go back to MMA and. stuff, so it's like, you know, I'm in. the fight business. I'm an I'm a hired. um you know, assassin, I guess. I'm a. hitman. I brought you the shorts that I fought. Paul Felder in. Oh, wow. They're a little beat up. But Thank you. Thank you very much, man. That's. awesome. Of course. They're clean. Thank. you very much. That's [ __ ] awesome. Uh I also have. uh a coaster from when I fought Luke. Rockhold.

Oh, right. It's got all of us on there. Uh, these are from Wuhan, China when. when COVID happened. I've had these air. fresheners for a while, so I got like a. couple designs. I got you a few. It's like a PMP. and uh Air fresheners. my little. character. Oh, nice. Yeah, so I got those. air fresheners. Love it. Sorry, dude. I'm putting all this stuff. on the table. And. I got you.

save. the best for last. Uh, birthday cake chocolate bar from. Colorado. Oh, thank you very much. Yes, sir. Thank you very much, Mike. pleasure, man. It's very kind of you. Thank you for having me on the show, bro. And. I wish you would have told me about your. show, but like God just works, man, because I we just went for a walk. I. asked my girl, I said, "Where do we go. in Austin?" She knows Texas. I don't. And uh she's like, "Sixth Street." So,

we start [ __ ] walking. And we're. like, "Oh, this is comedy store right. here, man.". Everybody's in line. What's going on? We. get in line. We hit We hit the lady, "If. you're here for Joe Rogan, you know, this line 7:00?" I'm like, "Let's go.". Let's go. And you guys hooked us up. anyways and got us in there and we were. sitting up top, man. It's a great show. You guys are geniuses. The way you. talk and weave through a conversation. I.

don't know where you're going and then. boom, a punchline hits. It's hilarious. Thanks, man. I'm glad you had a good. time. So smart. It's a fun place. I I didn't know you. were coming to town yesterday. I would. have invited you. I. wasn't sure if you were coming to town. today. Sometimes people come in the day. of. wasn't sure if you had set it up. I my. managers do it for me. Thank God for. them. glad you came. First Round Management, Abe. I'm glad you came. Malki. Yeah, that that place is wild. It's like that whole street is wild. Like Sixth Street is like it's crazy.

Like on Saturday night we're we're. looking through the window it's like a. zombie movie. All these people walking. down the streets cuz it's closed off. like LA. Well, parts of it are. I mean. expect that. There's it's uh there's more tents. lately, I've noticed. Like they clean. them up and then they come back again. For a while they kind of they had housed. a lot of people. That as bad though. I. guess LA has spots that, you know, LA is. crazy. LA doesn't make sense. Isn't that wild? That's the most. expensive place to live in in the United. States, really. I mean New York and LA.

and they can get, you know, them. projects get The thing about cities like. that is once they slide, it's real hard. to bring them back cuz they're like. battleships. You know, when they're moving in a bad. direction, when you're getting overrun. by homeless that's in crime, people just. start moving out. And we have this I. think a distorted idea. that the way thing like if something's. great, it's going to stay great. If. something's a thing that's valuable,

it's going to stay valuable. It's going. to People going to get to a point where. you're living in a place like that where. there's tents everywhere. You. you go, "I got to get the [ __ ] out of. here." Mhm. And then everybody gets the [ __ ] out of. there except for the people in the. tents. They're going to take it over and then. I mean it's the whole thing is nuts. You're not even allowed to litter. You. can't litter, right? So, how can you. leave all your [ __ ] in a tent on the. sidewalk? What is that? piles of trash. The whole thing is. crazy. It's like you can't just camp.

places. You got to fig- There's got to. be a better solution than just letting. people camp places. And I don't know. what Austin did for a while though. They. they they housed people. They put them. in hotels or something because they. cleaned up a giant part of it. I know. there's a bunch of programs to try to. like teach them trades and and there's. there's like these housing options that. they some of the philanthropists out. here have set up where they're trying to. like get kind of reintroduce some of.

these people back to the community. It's difficult. But they did something and then it seems. like it's kind of sliding back again. But you know, it's all over the country now which you. never saw before. Mhm. Never. When you. were a kid, do you remember seeing. people just camped out? I lived in Flint and I don't remember. seeing a bunch of homeless people. You. know what I mean? Flint is a supposed to. be a rough town. in the hood but it's. I don't know. 20 years ago life was.

different. Don't they say there's like. 100,000 homeless people in LA? Isn't it. something crazy like that? man. That's crazy. That's like the. population of Boulder, Colorado. That's scary. Just homeless people. How. do people pull up though? Like Cubans. pull up to Miami on these boats that. they they got a piece of wood and they. oar 20 or 90 miles in this boat with. like 17 family members and they pull up. on the beach and they go.

start their life. Yeah, but you know why? Cuz they're. escaping communism. Right. No, I mean. props. Absolutely. I'm saying these folks, they're not. escaping communism. Most of them are. mentally ill. Mhm. When you're good and like homeless. people, most of those people are. mentally ill. Mhm. Or like severe drug. addicts. Well, cuz they're on drugs. Yeah. They're on drugs and they're. mentally ill or both or because of. You. know, it's like. but that's a lot of it. And so like in. San Francisco, that's the big criticism. that there's a guy named Michael.

Shellenberger and he wrote a book called. San Francisco. describing like what happens when. progressives ruin cities like they're. ruining San Francisco. And he was saying like this just to a. point where it's just. it's just it's. what's going on is too nuts. Like you're. you're allowing these people to have. these open-air drug dens in front of. everybody. You're paying them money to. stay there. They're paying them money. They're paying money. Yeah, they give. them money. They interviewed these guys.

that were like camped out and they're. saying one of the good things about. being a homeless person in San Francisco. is they give you money. They give you. like a certain amount of money. Yeah. Give you a certain amount of money every. month. That's. And so there's no incentive to ever. leave. on themselves, but you got to want more. in life. You got to see cool [ __ ] and be. like I [ __ ] want to put those. It's hard to be um organized. It's. That's my biggest problem why I'm not so. rich, I think. I got to organize my. [ __ ] man. I get I keep a bunch of.

mementos and. I start hoarding [ __ ] I'm like damn, man. We're moving right now. I'm trying. to I'm trying to buy this house. I'm. supposed to close on a beautiful home, but. the we need a new appraisal. We got one. and they're getting another one, so they. pushed the day, but. I'm hoping we can get in here because I. got the money for it. So let me in. And. um. but. you know, forgot my point again, man. We. should spark that back up if.

maybe I'll remember. Refire up the engines. Yeah. Yeah, what were what were you saying? I don't know. I keep looking at that. alien. uh that spaceship beaming up that. person. What do you think about all that. alien [ __ ] Mike Perry? Oh, it's all. popping right now. Yeah, it is. What are they trying to hide? They're. they're just putting all this. information out there. It's fake. It's. [ __ ] Thank you. It's like they Thank you. What are they. trying to hide? Like why Here's the.

thing. I'm so greedy. CGI [ __ ] bro. That's fake [ __ ] bro. I don't know. I don't know what's fake. and what's not fake. But, I do know that. it just seems weird that all this is. coming at you. Aliens are my cousin, though. I [ __ ] I [ __ ] with the aliens. If they. come here, if they want to start some. [ __ ] I'll punch one of them in the. face. But, they better know how to act. when they coming up in my backyard. The. planet is ours, so you know, we got to. have each other's back. If they really. here, they ain't here, they could. probably destroy us.

If they could come here. Yeah. Did you. see that thing in Vegas? This family said that a UFO landed in. the backyard and like a 8 to 10-ft tall. alien came out. Did we Have we talked. about this yet? No. Uh I mean, not on here. Not on here. Have you seen it, Mike Perrine? I don't. believe it. Have you seen it? It's so It. seems so dumb. First of all, why didn't. they film it? They filmed all this other. [ __ ] Why didn't they film that? They tried. Did they try? I mean, I'll I. could play their side of the story. think? What do you think? I'm just being.

skeptical. I saw this little like Spanish kid was. talking about. on Instagram they they were like making. a video. I saw it, we saw it. It was. Yeah. It was real It's like y'all look. like paid actors. Well, they There's Here's the thing, investigative reporter George Knapp. tried to interview them on several. occasions. And they made appointments to. have him interview them. And when when. he went there, they wouldn't answer the. door. Uh Yeah. So, I don't know. Maybe they're. nervous about all the attention.

I don't know. I don't know. No, that. seems real. It's. They don't want the attention. They're. like, "We're not answering the door.". Who What What normal people don't want. the attention? That's right. He said. they're like 9-ft 10 Here. Uh That's You got the wrong thing. playing. Hold on. Hold on. What is I think the podcast is still. playing on Spotify. Oh. Yeah, that's it. Whoops. Um. Uh.

Sound Camera footage. I have butterflies, bro. Yeah. Everyone. saw a shooting star, then these people. say there's aliens in their backyard. So, when that 911 call came in, less. than an hour later, police were ready to. believe it. like a big creature. A big creature? Yeah, like around 10 ft tall. Cuz I'm. not going to BS you guys. One of my. partners said they saw something fall. out of the sky, too. So, that's why I'm. kind of curious. Did you see anything. land in your backyard or But after a. brief investigation of the yard, officers closed the case. It's a whole video about nothing, really. Just come back. Don't call us,

all right? Deal with it yourself. That I. ain't dealing with that. According to former intelligence officer. Jim Brush, an alien crash. If I was an alien, those are exactly the. kind of people that I would talk to. They would know what to believe. this is a CGI thing. Oh god, why do they have CGI? I don't know why they would do that. Why are they Why are you. telling me what I should see? Yeah, I don't know, man. I think for. sure it's possible that alien life. exists and is visiting. For sure it's. possible. But also, it just seems real.

weird that they're so forthcoming with. information and all these whistleblowers. and everything. Part of me is going like. Do you think aliens get sex changes? Yeah, I think they gave up on sex. totally. If you look at like what what a. gray. telekinesis and they're like. oh. If you look at what those grays look. like, they have giant heads, they have spindly. bodies and no gender. They have like. they're genderless. They probably don't. reproduce with sex anymore.

They probably reproduce through. technology. You know? And that's And they probably. all look exactly the same. So, they're. equal in some weird way. We're living in. the matrix. Yeah. So, we're asleep right now. If you. can imagine being a human being, right? You imagine being a a person, you can. imagine being another life form that. eventually. gets to a place and evolves either. through technology or or what to what. those things are. Right. We all adapt in evolution. Yeah. Yeah, right? We're not going to stop wherever.

we are now. We're going to keep going. Yeah, I'm going to grow wings and fly. I. don't know. That would be cool. Yeah. Do you think that that I mean. that's what I thought many times when I. see like that that classic gray alien. with the big head, the big black eyes. I. always think maybe that's what we are in. the future. Maybe that's us. Mhm. Maybe that's what we're seeing. I was just thinking about that metal. statue you have out there with the wolf. [ __ ] the gorilla.

Oh, you know what that's from? That was a dream that I had. I had this. crazy dream. What the [ __ ]. So you had somebody make what? A dream? That's cool. crazy dream that this werewolf was. [ __ ] a gorilla. Did you draw a picture? No. No, I was just saying like I was just. having a conversation with a friend and. I was saying like what the [ __ ] is. dreams? Like why are dreams so [ __ ]. up? And I had this dream that I was like. sneaking around like trying like the. outside of the wall hoping they wouldn't.

notice me while while werewolf was. [ __ ] a gorilla. Like it made no. sense. That's And so some dude made a sculpture. of it and sent it to me. I feel like I don't dream, man. You. don't dream at all? I feel like I don't. I don't really have any memories of. dreams. There it is. It's pretty dope. But I'll. be like living the dream. Um what a crazy dream. I try to This is. my bad brain. Um you smoke a lot of weed though, right?

Not as much as I used to. I think that. for me when I stop whenever I take. breaks, my dreams become way more vivid. Right. Sometimes. But then sometimes I'm like. I. I've been smoking and then I do have a. dream, but like I don't remember it. later. I mean I I've told my girl a couple of. times about oh I had a dream last night. She always dreams that um.

you know, being. bad or cheating. I'm like. is it why you dreaming like that? I'm. I'll be here at the house or I go work. out in the gym. That's what I do. So, you know. The weird the weirdest things about. dreams is that right when you wake up. they're so vivid, but then a few minutes. later you can't remember what the [ __ ]. it was. Like it was so interesting to. you when you wake up. Like wow, that. dream was crazy. Like it was so. dreams piss me off. That's why I choose.

to like deny them sometimes. You choose. to deny them? me off because I'm like I can't do. nothing. I can't grab. I can't punch you. in your face or. In a dream. Yeah, but in real life I can. I can control everything. I've had I've had one where I can't run. away. Like you can't run. Like something's. chasing after you and your legs aren't. working right. Are you like in a. wall that's sinking? I don't know. Yeah.

Damn, I got to make a a statue of one of. my dreams. A statue? Like that? Like that. Yeah. Yeah. I got to do that. Yeah, I wonder how much dreams are of. reflection. of like whatever whatever whatever's in. our genetics. Like what if it's genetic. memory. I wonder if like some some. dreams are like some genetic memory from. the past. We all remember when you were on Fear. Factor and made people eat elk penises.

and. we all remember that. Yeah. And it's like. that's a memory that is in human kind's. genetics. We're living it right now. You know, we're all oppressed. But I'm. wondering like I wonder how much of like. fears and dreams. Like I've had a bunch. of dreams about being chased by wolves. Mhm. A bunch. And I've always wondered what that is. I. don't run from wolves. You don't run? I.

feel like I would give them a hug. Come here, baby. Come here, baby. I'll. wrestle that [ __ ] to the ground. I'll grab a [ __ ] wolf and bite that. shit's ear. Be like, "Boy, I run this [ __ ] Stop." Wow. I have a German Shepherd. He's a baby, though. It's a big difference between that and a. wolf. Yeah, for sure. Whatever. And you you talked about a dog. killing a bunch of jackals. I'll I'll get a dog. I'm human. We on.

top of the food chain. [ __ ] the aliens. I'm trying to eat some. alien. I'm trying to eat some alien. I want to. try that [ __ ] Is that cannibalism? is that No. No, not that. Eating an alien? I don't think so. All right. It's probably frowned upon. There was. this movie Think it'd be like octopus? This movie called Moment of Contact. And. there's a UFO crashed in Varginha, Brazil in 1996. And this cop had carried one of the. bodies, like the injured alien, and they.

put it in the back of the car and they. drove it to the hospital and they took. it to another hospital. It's all. documented. It's crazy. The the cop who. was carrying the alien died of a. horrific bacterial infection that they. couldn't cure him of. Antibiotics didn't work. I mean, he he. was a young guy. He was dead within like. couple of weeks. They don't know what. the [ __ ] it was. Doctors had never seen. anything like it. Doctors are crazy. Imagine if he's. telling the truth. Imagine there really.

is a little alien spacecraft that. crashed and he picked up a body and. tried to carry it to the hospital of. this being. And imagine them bringing a. [ __ ] alien into a hospital. Like, hey, look what we got here. We are aliens. Oh, okay. We are or we ain't. That's why I said, is it cannibalism if I eat one of them? No, cuz they're different species of. us, whatever we are. Right. So, what. We're just a germ. You remember.

Powerpuff Girls and they had the the. germ dudes and then the. I don't know, the green dudes. No, I. don't remember that. Yeah, that's I You were already grown up. when I was watching Powerpuff. I'm still. kind of young, so I could fight for a. little. Yeah, you're only 31. Yeah, man. But how old were you when you had your. first UFC fight? 24. 24. And how much formal Like, when did. you start like formally MMA training? Like training MMA in a in a in a gym and.

Mhm. 15 15 years ago. I did it as a kid. Right. My dad talked about it. He did. couple kickboxing matches. Um. like one or two, I don't know. But he fought in the streets and stuff, I guess. So, my dad was a wild dude. I mean, he he. had bo- bags. He was a naval. guy He was a navy guy.

Um. And he I would use some of his boxing. equipment at the young age. So, you. know, I've always been punching. And uh. but formal training, I mean, I trained. myself for a long time. YouTube, like I. said. Really? But I I I got with Julian. Williams and I met this Central Florida. group of mixed martial artists have been. around for, you know, it feels like 15. years. Um I've been knowing them, so.

since I was in my teens. Formal training. And did you go through like an amateur. MMA program? Those are Did you have any. amateur fights? Yes. Uh I had like 20 amateur fights, but I guess it was like a scattered. version. There are things that are more. organized and put together that I mean, like the boxing. like the little kids that do boxing all. over the country, they fighting every. week, they're you know, they get how. many fights before they go pro? 100.

fights, 200 fights, Lomachenko 300. fights. Yeah. Before they go pro, these kids. and their parents, I I see that now. because the boxing gym I work at. Technique Boxing. you know, I get to be around that. type of um. whatever that is that that. that's that deep down that the soul of. it. It's about the kids. and they they become great boxers over. the years of doing it and um.

you know. I've I've done it, too, but we were like. one of the first. late I mean, then no, fighting was. already around in the '80s. And then there's boxing, obviously. Uh. Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali, obviously, those were big fights. But. you know. I Now there's more formal kids and like. the Karate Combat dudes, they are.

they've been raised well by their. parents, you know what I mean? Like they. have manners and and they they have. technique in karate, which is. it's different. If you look at all the. techniques, like Muay Thai is like a dog. fight. Um but there is technique. Boxing. has it and when I say technique, it's. like positions. Mhm. Of your body. It's. that's how you generate force and. you know, uh physically control.

uh what whatever's happening in. fighting. I mean, that's what that's. what we're talking about is how do you. fight? How? [ __ ] why? You know, I wish I could. bring something else to the world. that means more. But, that you know, the world does piss. me off sometimes. So, I'm like, "Yay, I. get to punch somebody for this." But, you know, thank God. But, you know, how. can I be a. an a an addition to society and make a.

difference and. build something and think about. something and be smart and [ __ ] man, being smarter is harder, bro. It's [ __ ] hard out here. What do you. What do you What about maybe. have you thought about starting a gym? Hmm. Yeah. Um. Yeah, I mean, I. I want to do a uh. a fight. thing. A business company. A fight business company?

company. Like a promotion company? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but there's a lot of ways a guys. like a guy like you who, you know, there's a lot of guys that can relate to. people like you. There's a lot of guys. that, you know, they want to fight, too. There's a lot of angry men. And they want to relate to a guy who's. figured out a way to positively channel. that. Mhm. It is really positive, but then it. becomes funny. It's like, I feel like I. understand fighting. to the point where it's like, I see.

I'm having trouble seeing the point of. fighting. It seems like a joke. I mean, it's a fun. sport and. but there comes a time, I think, when it. becomes. you know, that's the question. Am I. going to put it ahead of me and make it. more important than my own self? I mean, I feel like I'm not getting. hurt, to be honest, but I do I do take. some hits in training. You know, that. [ __ ] add up. I've been taking punches.

for 20 years and it just feels like, you know, um. it doesn't hurt until later. It hurts later. And then, um. you know, so. I don't know, man. Have you given thought to doing. something else? Have you given thought. to like what you're going to do when you. are done with this? No, I feel like I'll just I'll just go. into construction. Just be an old guy. Construction. And just be start fixing. [ __ ] man. Pick up some tools, old.

school. Get Get me I got to get a hot. rod again, man. I. [ __ ] around with a few hot rods. I'm. like, man, I just got to. got to get another one and make it nice. and. um. you know, but I'll be driving the family. around now, so I'm everything's on hold. I think I just really just have faith in. God and I try to do what's right and be. good and um you know, as long as I. support those around me, the women and children, I'll be good to. go.

So, um. how did this bare-knuckle thing come. about? Like what. What did you just want to test the. waters over there? Was it something just. a lucrative offer? Like what made you go. over there? Oh, yeah. Big money. It was big to me. It was definitely big. There was big fights. Um. but. you know, there wasn't a ton of people. at at the arena when I fought MVP, but. everybody did see it. Yeah. So, you.

know, but Well, I think after this. Rockhold fight, it's it's changed. people's uh appreciation for first of. all, how difficult it is. Like when you. see Rockhold's jaw [ __ ] up with his. teeth [ __ ] up. And you, you know, you see that you've. been beating guys like him and Michael. Venom Page. And it's like this is these. are like very high-level guys. And you're you're doing it in this sport. that's like, man, this is a comp- it's a. completely different thing to me, at. least. It's like.

what you're the way you're describing. completely makes sense about how you. have to be tight all the time. Mhm. But. still move well and Um check this out. Uh Michael Venom Page or or Misfits, you. know, Misfits boxing? Yes. Uh. the what's his damn name? That English. kid over there. That runs Misfits boxing. It's like most. valuable promotions with Jake Paul. KSI. KSI has Misfits boxing. That's his Okay. And we were talking with my people about.

a possible. uh tournament style one night three. fights boxing. with gloves or if it would it be. kickboxing with gloves? I don't know. what it was, right? But um. and we me and MVP start on different. sides of the bracket and we fight. three three-minute rounds each time. meaning so the first two me and MVP. should win the fights and then we're.

fighting again in the finals for rounds. uh seven, eight, and nine. uh we would be fighting each other. So. it'd be three opponents, three fights in. one night, it'd pay a bunch of money per. fight. Wow. I think that sounded kind of. cool. I would love you know, I would. definitely give MVP another shot. This. is an event they have announced. They. have a tag team event going on. And a survivor tag match, too. I wonder.

how that works. Tag team. Yeah, like uh. Kimbo Slice Jr.'s on here. I see Ramone. Jr. This is crazy. I have no idea how it's going based off. of that, but that seems. interesting to watch for sure. team. Yeah. Huh? Oh my god. It's going to be wild. Well, it just. kind of makes sense, right? People are. always trying to push the boundaries. People are always trying to like okay, is that hardcore enough? What about if. we have a bunch of dudes fighting? Like. you've seen those Russian videos where.

they have like teams of dudes. Teams of. dudes meet on a field and just start. beating the [ __ ] out of each other. Oh yeah, like 200 600. 200 let's go. I want to try that [ __ ]. though. See that's you know, where is that group. of fighting people, man? That's wild. I. I think it was in Russia. Was that where. it was? Yeah, I think there was Ireland, too, man. Gypsies. Car fights, fighting in a phone booth. Russians are just different, man. They're just different. That's.

a well-put-together. um. American is [ __ ] up there, though. We're we're up there. For sure, but it's. we're not having groups of 200 people. meet groups of 200 people and just. running into each other on a football. field and beating the [ __ ] out of each. other. Come on, let's go, America. Let's do the. American team versus that big Russian. team, man. Let's see what happens. 200. on 200. Bro, that would be scary. Mhm. What is. this? Team The team fighting. championship.

Oh god. Which is sort of what Yeah. the giant field one, but this is. is Poland versus Sweden. Oh my god, this. is insane. Jesus Christ. I went to Russia and they. tried to and they tried to. fight me at a press conference. Oh my. god. What did you go to Russia for? Um my friend was fighting. [ __ ] He [ __ ]. got beat up by this big Russian guy. He.

fights giants, man. He just fought um. you know, it's not you know, uh he just. fought What's that dude's name in the. UFC who. um Johnny. uh the 205er like heavyweight. Well, Johnny Walker. Johnny Walker. Yeah, and uh his brother he has a. brother that's 12 and 0 or 11 and 0 now. cuz he beat Alex but he's like 260 lb I.

think and Alex is like 220. 220 or 225. and he fights these heavyweights and he. had a good battle with him. He didn't. win that one but um Johnny Walker is an. interesting guy. That dude That dude has crazy power. Look at that. Yeah, look at that. That's him. Damn. Good for him, man. He had a good fight. my boy. Very interesting. 11 and 0 and. 0.

Um Johnny Walker kid he generates power. from some crazy ways. Like um when he's fighting Paul Craig. and Paul Craig grabbed a hold of his leg. and he's KO'ing him while he's like. hopping around on one leg. Jamahal Hill, bro. Yeah. How that time that he got hit in the. forehead like that and he put Johnny. down? Johnny Walker. Jamahal Hill's cool, bro. He from He. from uh He just like fights, man. He. just get in there. He's.

He's got He's got amazing timing, too. His timing is. He's long and it's. He's strong, though. Yeah, long and. strong and you know, just like when he. fought Glover I was like, "God, man.". Jamahal's like. you know, and he's coming into his own, too. There's a thing that happens to a. guy like when he hits that championship. level where they just coming in their. own and they start to really shine. Mhm. And that's where he's at. Like that. guy's got crazy power. He's a fun dude,

too. Boom. I mean. That ass wild, man. Sorry, Johnny. It's crazy. Because Let's go. Jamahal. from Grand Blanc. That's where he lives. I was talking to him the other day. I. want to um. I'm like, [ __ ] I want to train with. him. He's the champ. Yeah. At 205 outside of. you know, Jon Jones. Is he undefeated, Jamahal Hill? No. He. lost. Paul Craig tapped him. Oh, his arm bar. Yes, see Paul Craig, he. be having, you know, ups and downs. He. can beat anyone with that grappling.

That grappling is crazy. His his guard. is crazy. His guard is crazy. He just. cinches up those triangles on you. got to smash when somebody's grabbing. you, you know? You got to have a good. top game. It's what Johnny Walker did. To uh To. Paul Craig. Paul Craig, yeah. Yeah, I remember. He. was holding on to that leg trying to get. the takedown. Johnny Walker is just so. [ __ ] athletic. And he uh he's an interesting dude, man. I mean, if you back it up so you could. see like how it started. So, he he like.

grabs his leg and look at it, he's. kayoing him while while he's holding his. leg up in the air. I mean, that is nuts. That kind of power is nuts. Oh my gosh, see that? Yeah, that hurt his head, man. He's a big dude for 205. He's so big. Yeah, [ __ ]. I love the fights, man. So, oh, Yoel. Romero is fighting Bellator this. weekend. I know. Isn't that wild? He looks like. he's 30 years old. Oh my gosh. He does. He looks exactly the same.

He looks exactly the same. That dude is It's. He's a good soul, man. He's a good soul, Yoel is. He's very strong. He He holds. up the community, man. Support him. I. had a podcast I did with him and Joey. Diaz, and Joey Diaz translated. So, Yoel would say some of the stuff in. English, but then he would say some of. the stuff in Spanish, and Joey Diaz. would translate. It was amazing. Yeah, Joey Diaz is cool, man. He's crazy guy, man. Yeah.

Good for him. Yeah, he's the best. Can of corn. Yeah. Can of corn and I'll. be fine. Where is that from uh The. Longest Yard, man. He was in there, Joey Diaz. Hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. He uh you know, he came from Cuba as. well. And the way they were describing, you know, the system. uh over in Cuba and like you I was. talking about the wrestling system that. he came up through. I was like, He goes, "It makes you a machine.".

A. That is good, man. A machine. I want to be an actor, bro. Is that what you want to do? Be big. Why not? I'll be Let me be a bad. guy in a movie or something, man. I'm saying. How about you in John Wick. 5? Let's go. Let's go. Keanu, come on, man. You would be an amazing bad guy. assassin. With a suit or a sharp suit. on. Let's go. Come on, man. Something something nice. That would actually That actually would. work. That actually would work.

I could see that. I'm about to go get. married in Vegas, man. All right, man. About to go do it and have a good time. with the fam. Nice. Some fun. So, do you have any fights lined up? Like how does it work after this. this last which, you know, probably this. is like the most popular performance in. terms of the amount of people that. watched the Rockhold fight. Was that. like the biggest one that they'd put on? Mhm. Um so, do they have anything lined up.

for you? Well, apparently, you know, there's a couple. deals on the table and I really don't. know. what's what You know, am I supposed to. decide what happens? I really. My team is trying to get me the best. deal possible. Um life-changing deal. You know, I had. success against Rockhold and it's it's. I've been doing good and I'm I'm trying. to stay on that path, and um.

you know, I'll fight anyone. That's It don't. matter. I'll fight. And. you know, a lot of haters on the. internet, man. Come on, UFC. Give me a. Give me that good good deal, man. Get a. good deal. I don't think you. They. They match a deal like the ones that I'm. going to get, though. I mean. damn, where do I want to be champion? Where do I get the most views? That's. That's what I want to fight in front of. the biggest crowd I can.

And people enjoy it. Enjoy the show, man, cuz I'm going to go for broke, headbutt your [ __ ] and [ __ ] And it. don't matter if it's bare knuckle or if. it's with gloves or boxing gloves or. boxing gloves. Anthony Pettis just. fought. Roy Jones. Roy Jones Jr. It's great fight. Um. You know, I think. that's a great fight for me in boxing. match. And I love Anthony, and God bless. him, and he's a competitor. And you. know, it's uh. I It's just a fun little boxing match,

and if we could get paid good for it, I. want to do it. I'll show up and spar. I. want to work with pro fighters all over, so. I said I wanted to go work with Jamahal. Hill. What do you think I mean when I. say work? We going to put gloves on and. try to swing at each other. So, we might. as well just fight. I'll fight Jamahal. Hill. God bless him, too. I mean, he'll. probably beat my ass. He's too big. He's. 205er. But give me a I'll try it. Let's go. you would. There's. There's a [ __ ] video. they are, the harder they fall, man. There's a hilarious video of you with.

Darren Till. Yeah, that's a good fight. That's a great fight. you're saying to him, uh. do you want to spar? Mhm. And he thought. you were saying, do you want to go to. the spa? Oh. Like Yeah. Like I No, I. think he knew what I meant. Oh, you. think he knew? I think that was just his. joke. He's a clever little [ __ ]. Um. So, you know, but he's. That's a great fight. What do we Where. do we want to do that fight? Who wants. to take that fight and get the viewers.

from it? It's me and Darren Till in any. way, either MMA cuz he did MMA. Masvidal. clapped his Yeah. face, and then. you know. Yeah, he's a big guy that was cutting. down to 172, and then. Do you think they when those guys really. cut down like that that it affects your. chin? People want to see me [ __ ]. fight in Africa. Because they say I'm from.

That's what they say all over the. internet. That's the joke that goes. around is that I'm in Africa. I'm on. Forchan. [ __ ]. I'm. on Forchan. Forchan, you know what that. is? What is that? It's uh the the internet when like when. you just let it go uncensored. It's a. website with the crazy people. Mhm. Well, no, they uh. The but it just sounds like something. they might try to organize. It's cuz I. said it a long time ago. [ __ ] you. know. I wonder if the UFC's ever going to have.

a fight in Africa. That'd be wild. You know, maybe in like the same place. where. Ali fought Foreman. The what they got I'm saying PFL has. Francis Ngannou now. Mhm. Um That's. interesting, right? Mhm. Cuz isn't it. something crazy like uh Francis's. opponent has to get paid a million. dollars? Did you read that? Let us make. sure that that's true cuz I I I think. I'm repeating that that someone told me. I want to make sure that's true.

Is that You know what? It was It was. Stylebender. He was talking to Schultz. about it. Yeah. Uh the PFL has offered to pay Ngannou's. opponent a minimum purse of $2 million. Hm. Ngannou did not want to face an opponent. who was not paid what they deserve. Wow. He wants to see fighters be rewarded. He. wants the best possible opponent.

So, listen, man, that spices things up. If you know you're going to get 2. million bucks to fight him, guys who are. on like the end of their contract, and. what's good about that, it's just like. raises competition for everybody. And I think there's so many fighters now. that it's almost like we need more. organizations. We I think we definitely. need more weight classes. Don't Don't. you think? Uh yeah, just meet up and fight. I weigh 195, 190 right now.

I probably lost some weight this. morning, but 190, so. you know, I could fight a guy at the bar. in the street. 200 lbs. Right, but as a sport. Do you. think like as a UFC, do you think the. UFC should have more weight classes? Boxing does, so Yeah. why not? I mean, who cares though? You. meet up What you meet at? 170 to go back. to 170. I've been at 75, and then my.

last fight was at 185. So, but MMA is different with 185. But in boxing, I was a good size for. 185. I'm short. And you can you can box being short, but. when you're up against the kicks, you. can't be dipping down. I mean, I still. do good when I fight kickboxers, but. I'd have to pick it back up again. I've. had some trouble getting kicked before. and things like that. I mean, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't think about it. You don't think about it, you just. fight, whatever. Yeah. You don't have a preference. Um Like if you had a preference, like if. you had a Would your preference be the. care if. Sure, thanks. Would your preference be that like the. UFC comes to you with a big offer? Would that be your preference? Isn't that the top of the food chain. though? The the pay-per-view, the crowd. The UFC pay-per-view. I mean, guys went. in and out of the UFC for not since the.

1990s when it came out. Mhm. You know, and now and getting paid. Rampage Jackson. Uh Love that guy, man. He's great. Rampage is awesome. He's got his son. He. was talking about his Wanderlei son. He. has a son who does fighting too. Oh, no. So, their sons we could fight. That. could be a good fight. god. Wanderlei Rampage again. Wow. That's crazy. Those fights they had in. Pride were nuts.

That's something I really wish I had. seen live. You never saw Pride live, huh? No. I did in Vegas. I saw Pride in Vegas, but it wasn't It. wasn't the same. the You see the now though. Yeah. The UFC and all those Adesanya stuff and. No, no, no, for sure. man. It's great to be a part of that. Oh, yeah. But, um what is different. about Japan in the the Pride era was. like you know, you got like 90,000. people at the Saitama Super Arena.

Yeah. Or like the Thrilla in Manila, right? They said that was in Africa, right? was in Africa. Ali vs. Foreman. Yeah. Biggest fight ever. But, that was when I. was a kid. I couldn't have seen that. I. could have gone to Japan to watch one of. those big crazy Pride events and I. really feel like I should have. Mhm. I. really feel like I should have watched. Fedor fight live when he was in his. prime. I should have I should have just. flown out to Japan. [ __ ] it. Mhm. Because that's something that like that. dude like you want to talk about a. legend. Fedor.

Like that dude I mean, he could do it. all. YouTube stuff too. Mirko Cro Cop. I. watched all that stuff growing up, you. know? YouTube. I got to catch. everything. I studied that, I guess. I. everything. When you were watching on. YouTube, did you get together with. friends and practice? Like, how did how. did you put it together? Sometimes. Um I. would shadow box. Mhm. Shadow boxing is. huge, man. Like, if you can't punch the. air, then you can't punch a person. True. You got to know how to throw a punch and. be prepared to miss, be prepared to.

land, and, you know, make it count. Cuz that's what a punch is for. It's. like I can. take you out quick. I don't. But, you know, I guess that's what the. gloves do, right? Yeah. I'm going to go back to that. It. The boxing gloves give you a a longer. fight, a harder fight. Yeah. No gloves is faster paced. They can't. take it. There's also the argument that you take. more brain damage with gloves. Cuz you get hit more, cuz it's easier to.

just hit you full blast. Mhm. Yeah. You can't train bare knuckle, though. So, how do you train? You just train with regular boxing. gloves? right? Like, but only like mitts. And. you can't spar with anyone. No one's. trying to go bare knuckle with me. And. we got to put 16s on and hit that way. and with headgear. And Don't you think. in that case, like, your previous. experience in bare knuckle is a giant. advantage to anybody that wants to just.

step in and try it now? Like, any anybody even if they But, I. fought someone with nine fights. Yes. Oh, no doubt. My first time. Right. No doubt. But, I mean. it's boxing. I think I know boxing good. And I think I'm a great boxer. Even I'm. 0 and 1. So, I want to get a a boxing. match that counts onto my record, cuz. the Triller one didn't. Right. So, I'm I'm still technically 0. and 1. I want to get. a boxing match. Jake Paul, that would be. you know, he's about to fight Nate Diaz.

So, that's cool. That's good fight, man. Good for both of. them. Uh. You can What I'm saying is. Nate's going to teach him some lessons. I was getting at was that you can you. can definitely box, definitely. What I'm. saying is that like but you've done it. with bare knuckle more than once. And you can't. Right, two years man, nobody wants to. smoke that way. Nobody wants it. spar that way. You can't spar that way, right? So that's a unique experience the. first time anybody ever does it. But. you've already done it. Right.

it multiple times successfully. That's a. giant advantage. It's a giant advantage. you have right now. Yeah. It's very. interesting. Yeah. And you're you're. such a dog that you're like particularly. designed for like that kind of fighting. When I was watching that Rockhold fight. I was like, "Jesus.". I train a lot, man. I look If if if you. look at pictures of me in that moment. when I was fighting, I look like a. different person. I've kind of lost it. since that fight. I've built that up so. much. for the camp. I was a different man. I.

was chiseled. I was focused. I was. straight now. I let myself go a little bit after the. fight. You're supposed to. I think that's how you heal. You just. kind of start laying around and. you know, Relax for a little bit. Yeah, just hang out. So Yeah, did you. bulk up for that fight? I I tried to eat more, yeah. I tried to. I eat good anyways. I love going to. restaurants and just getting some nice. little Wagyu or [ __ ].

caviar and all type of that good. oysters. Suck them down when I'm hungry. I like the sound effects. Yeah. Uh. that's hilarious. Thanks. Yeah, man. You're living good. You're. supposed to. You're supposed to be. living good. Alcohol, I got to quit though. Yeah. I will again, but you know, damn. I'm going to just sip on it next time. I. This morning was rough, boy. I ain't.

going to lie. This morning was rough. The ice bath. like that. Saved my life. Woke you right. up. Yeah. Yeah, the. we have a new blue cube ice bath that is. like a running river. And you climb. inside of it and it's torturous. It's torturous. It's great. I'm thinking about it right. now. I could go. I got some work I'm getting done on. Friday. I'm going to do them PT on that. Yeah, I'm doing PT, man. It's all. What's going on with your neck? My shoulder just um tight, I guess. It's.

like, you know, prob- I I I go southpaw sometimes cuz to. try to make it feel better. It's like I. do so much this way. that this gets tight or I get some I get. hit so much maybe on this side this side. to gets tight. Mhm. You know what I. mean? So then it just takes PT and focus. on it and You ever had stem cells on it? No, man. That would be cool. Yeah. That. would be cool, man. I think that's your move. Yeah. And put.

a needle I It feels like go ahead, man. Just put a needle in that [ __ ]. and squirt a bunch of that [ __ ] in. there. Golden Ryan had some stem cells. injected I think he was into his. shoulder and it fixed his neck problem. He had a neck problem for a while, he. was saying. And. just this cuz it goes it goes through. your whole body, but it it's they do it. on the site of the injury, but it's. still, you know, there's a lot of stuff. like that. Yeah, repairs all over your body. It's. like a sperm goop that [ __ ].

lays all over your [ __ ] and makes new. genetics. or our DNA. Maybe. It like attaches to. your DNA. I wouldn't want to grade that. in a science class. I don't know if. that's exactly how it goes down. It's It's It's making babies. Whatever. that goop is, it makes some babies. Yeah. It's replicating. It fixes. Yeah. That was a weird way to put it, but I. know what you're saying though. Yeah, I. mean, it's something like that. Whatever. the [ __ ] it is.

You can take people's parts of other. people's bodies and inject it into you. and it helps things heal. You just got. to work on on everything anyway, so like. GSP, he's always posting like. um, you know, stretches that he's doing. or Yeah. And so, I mean, he's doing that. for a reason. You got to work in area. out. I know that you got to train your like. if you when your neck's hurting, you got. to train. Like do do your back pull-ups. That's why I did that motion because I'm. thinking about doing my back muscles.

So, I got to order pull ins, you know, I. got to strengthen the area around. That's old school. That's how we do it. That's how you deal with pain. You. [ __ ] work harder. And, you know, I I guess I've never. I'm talking about, you know, why I. haven't done stem cells and Mhm. I don't. know. I don't really care. I'm just. going to [ __ ] deal with it and do it. Well, I. I appreciate your toughness. I. appreciate your toughness.

But, I mean, I think maybe. for your just your your overall ability. to. to be at your best. Yeah. You should probably get it Do the. do everything I can. to try, yeah. Yeah. Cuz you know, I. don't know. I got the money for it, so. Okay. I do got the money for it, yeah. Okay. It was like 10,000 for some stem. cells. I would like to know. I know that. there's a really good place in Tijuana, the Cellular Performance Institute. I. know the guys that that run that and a.

lot of MMA fighters have gone down. there. A lot of MMA Eddie Bravo's gone down. there. A lot of guys go down there. to Colombia to do it, too. That's that. bio accelerator. Panama has a. great place. That's Dr. Neil Riordan's. place. I actually sent my mom down there. twice. Oh, really? Your mom got it done? Yeah, she's have she was having knee. issues. Yeah. Yeah, man, it it it absolutely can help. with sums, especially like soft tissue. injuries. It's interesting stuff.

It's just It's new advances like that in. medicine are [ __ ] wild. Yeah, I know. I got to do it. Fix tissue. It's just. It's always better if you're at your. best, especially when when you're. thinking about. But I feel like that's what a camp is. Mhm. You I get these issues. Right. I've. had this this neck pain seems like my. life force. That that is a driving my life. I feel. like I never remember a time when I.

didn't have a pain in my neck or just a. pain just walking around. In your neck. always or just anywhere? Anywhere's understandable, but if it's. in the same spot Something's always. hurt. Right. Something's always hurt. Of course. My finger. Right. My neck. Yeah. If you're sparring all the time, something's always hurt. Yeah. But But what I'm worried about is that. like you the way you're describing it. could be like a chronic injury. that could be limiting your ability. Like Yoel who we're talking about, Yoel.

Romero, he has his neck fused. Mhm. Like. You ever see a video of him He had an. operation where his like his disc was so. [ __ ] up they had to fuse the discs in. his neck. They had to fuse the the spinal columns. Have you ever seen a video of him. running? There's a video of him running and his. neck doesn't move. because it's like fused. It's crazy. The video says Yoel Romero runs like his. neck is fused because it is. That's not what the back is. He don't got a Oh, he do have a scar.

there. He does. So, that's that's his his neck is fused. Damn. I think he said that that was the most. frightening time of his life cuz he was. worried that he was going to die. But. there's a video of him running and it's. crazy when you watch him run because. like his. all of this doesn't move at all. It's. just completely straight and he just. Look at this. Look at his neck. Isn't that wild? Bulging it.

But like his. athleticism is insane and. he's doing all this athleticism with a. frozen neck. Imagine having to fight him. bare knuckle. That guy. What a What a [ __ ] stud. Oof. He was so good. And it's amazing that he's so good still. at 46 years old. Is that what he is? 46? I always think about guys like Dan.

Henderson. Why? Love Dan Henderson. He's a good fighter. I love his fighting. Dan Henderson's. fighting was a He That dude like if you. ever like put your hand on his back, feels like he's made out of wood. Like. he doesn't feel like a normal person. Like something's going on. Like like. there's a lady who I knew that was his. massage therapist. She was like it's. like the most brutal thing just to get. through all that hard tissue. It's all. just like knotted up like [ __ ] wire. It's my It's It's our evolution. Mhm. As.

fighters. So. I mean, I don't want it like. I stopped I don't like getting. pedicures with girls and [ __ ] because. then I'm like I I earned the soles of my. feet through fighting. Whether Whether I wear shoes boxing or I. do a barefoot MMA, you know, you earn the the soles of your. feet. So it's like. you know, doing certain things. I don't. know. I should I want to [ __ ] get a.

shot of stem cells in my neck right now. while we're talking about it. But. Yeah, you probably should. I I go I got to go to another [ __ ]. country and No, there's some stuff they. can do actually even in Austin. Waste management office in Austin. Yeah. Yeah, you you can get I have to look it. up in Orlando. You get certain. treatments today in America. It's just. but to really go full whole hog, you got. to go somewhere else. And like I said, that the place down in. Tijuana, everybody raves about it. I.

know a lot a lot of people I know have. been there. That's the cellular. performance institute and then there's. bioaccelerator in Columbia. And there's probably other ones, too, including Dr. Neil Riordan's in Panama, but if you want to go there, apparently. they can do a lot more wild [ __ ] than we. can do here. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, well. Places don't be safe. I'll be staying home with the fam. Yeah. I keep myself out of trouble.

I do some push-ups. Yeah. And eat some food. That's what I. like doing. Watch cartoons. I hear you. With the kids. Uh play games. Call of Duty, man. You. know I play that. Yeah. If you if you if. you ever wanted to go to the one in. Tijuana though, it's like right down. from San Diego. You could just drive. into it. Yeah. You know. San Diego, California. Yeah. Yeah, it's. on the other side. I know. Yeah, East. Coast boy.

East Coast boy. Where are you uh. Are you are you So, you born and raised. in Florida? Like where did where did you. grow up? You said Michigan. You said. Flint at one point in time. And then how. did you get to Florida? Uh. Mom and dad separated and I used to go. back and forth there. There's a particular type of wild dude. from Florida. It's so much so that. there's like a name, Florida Man. You. know, what the [ __ ] is it about Florida? Oh, I thought that that I thought that.

was me. I thought the Florida man is me but. cuz there's like a whole video on a. drawing of it's like 40 minutes I've. I've been um. blessed in life where people you know. find things interesting about me and. make some cool videos and I know you. know about that man. You you the [ __ ]. coolest bro. Everybody likes you so. Thank you. Yeah man um. but. oh man.

I forgot what did what did you ask me? I forget [ __ ] a lot man. [ __ ]. worry about that? No. No? I don't give a. [ __ ]. with it? Yeah. My parents everybody forgets [ __ ] but. like maybe you don't I don't know. I don't know. Um. You eat the Alpha Brain sometimes and. and it it helps with memory? Well, you. know the reason why I found what what we. even invented Alpha Brain was because I. had heard what Bill Romanowski did. You know the football player? Mhm. He uh.

created this stuff called Neuro One. I. was on this radio show in San Francisco. back in the day and uh one of the. co-hosts of the radio show said hey I. want you to try this stuff. My my my. coach Bill Romanowski was like he was. his trainer. And he was his friend or something he. was getting him through workouts. He. said I want you to try this. It's a. nootropic and he developed it to uh help. with the symptoms that he received from. all the concussions that he got from. playing football. He was having problems.

with his memory. So he developed this. like nutrient blend of things that. enhance your memory. So that was the first one of those that. we ever tried before I did Alpha Brain. It's great [ __ ]. Yeah I just had took my first one before. we did this. Did you? How's it feel? I'm wondering. I'm trying to think about. it. I'm like is it helping me cuz I'm. forgetting all this [ __ ] but I probably. need to keep doing it. Yeah it's that. laughing gas weed too. That stuff is. Yeah I think that's what it is, to be. honest with you. That's where my memory.

gets [ __ ] up. I get high in here, I'm. like, "What was I [ __ ] talking. about?". Exactly. It's really strong weed. [ __ ]. That's that Joey Diaz weed. No, got to. love it, though. Got to love some weed. Some Sometimes you got to dumb yourself. down, just so Exactly. You know. Yeah. And sometimes you got to clear yourself. up. Right. Yeah. You know. Best of both worlds. Be. the lion. Just got to have discipline. Enjoy yourself, but have discipline. It's easy to live, um.

you know, comfortably. Don't be mad. Uh. you know, I didn't have a lot growing. up, but the best times were like. just being on the move. Doing stuff. Hanging out. So. That's life, man. You know. Uh do you have a really a an idea. at at any point. where you'd like to retire, or where.

you'd like to do something else, or are. you just going to just ride it till the. wheels fall off? Yeah. Obviously, I have no choice. I. have to, bro. Please. It's. Pay my bills, and I'll fight. Let's go. And pay them good, too. Pay better. bills, big bills. I got monthly. [ __ ] and yearly expenses, more. But I'm making good money. It's all. right, and it's getting better, so. that'll come. I'm down to fight, man. I. earned it after all these years of doing.

it. You definitely earned it, and you. definitely earned a large fan base. I. mean, that's really what it's all about. People know when they go to see Mike. Perry fight, especially now after these. bare-knuckle fights, they know they're going to see some wild. [ __ ]. There's guys in the UFC that have been. there much longer than me, and don't. have more fights than me. I had 15 in 5 years and all UFC fights, the top guy, top 15 guys. And you know, it was like a lesson. It.

was like learning how to be a martial. artist and. you know, then I've earned the right to compete. against. other great competitors in history for. the spectacles and and uh you know, competition. Try to beat these guys in. rules that are written on paper. Whatever the rules say. I don't care whatever it is. Let's. fight, man. There's great guys out. there, too. It's like um.

the more bodies you get to work with, you pick up off of each one. But it is a long road and sometimes I'm. like, all right. That that's where I say fighting is a. choice where it's like, well, I could just beat you. I just. finish you right right away and then I. don't have to get in this long drag-out. fight. I just take you out. quick and it's over. So, I can do that. in competition and get paid for it. And the rest of the time really, I'm.

just. um you just you know, work out. Enjoy. your work out and then. you know, I only fight for something. that makes a difference now. It's like. um. I can either beat you or and it does it. benefits me or. there's no reason to fight. There's no. reason to train. And. I know how to win. So, it's like. I don't need to add to my own attrition.

Um. you know, some people like those young. boxers who have uh 200 fights. Some of them kids are out there. They're. They're not coming back. Right. You. know, uh so. I've always been fortunate to have. battles and hard. shots are being thrown. but I've been able to keep. control of my mind enough I guess. I. need to be smarter though. I need to. read more books man. I really got to. read. I say read more books I got to.

ever read a book like. [ __ ] I read like a Goosebumps book when. I was 11 and that was it. What about. books on tape? Have you ever listened to. like uh Um. your books on tape. Rich Dad Poor Dad I listened to Yeah. hours of that [ __ ]. Audiobooks are a great way to do it cuz. it's passive. And podcasts right? Yeah. You listen to people talk more. Yeah but. you know podcast it's a lot of it just. unless it I mean other people's kind of. podcast you can get informative stuff. but on mine a lot of it is just shooting.

the [ __ ] whereas like a book on like an. audiobook you can you can get like. almost every book. ever. is on an audiobook except for some weird. excuse. like you know. obscure ones but like what percentage of. books are available in audio? I would. like to know that. Yeah. Definitely got to get on that. of them. Cuz like this is cool. This is the Joe. Rogan experience and. it teaches it's teaching me that like.

you know this is probably one of the. longest conversations I've had with a. human being. and you know and you get to and I get to. pick your brain and stuff and you know. I'm all about learning man. I guess I'm. still so young I'm trying to figure it. out. I was thinking that a conversation. is like a map and if you take the time. you know the map um. that you they call it you know that's. why it's called spelling. cuz it's magic and you built you draw on.

this map with your words and it the map. leads to path and treasure and you know. there's opportunities in life on your. map so your words are what make things. happen. Business, sit down, shoot the. [ __ ] talk, genius [ __ ] talking on. comedy stage. Is that really the origin. of the word spelling? That's what Bruce Lee says. I don't I. disagree with that, but I it's something.

like that, yeah. That's crazy. Bruce Lee says. That's crazy. It's it's. it's magic. Your words are That's why. it's called spelling. It's a spell. For. real, what is the origin? What does it. say the origin of the word is? That sounds insane. Oh my god, imagine we just like figured. something out. Bruce Lee said that. Uh well, so. the. mid-15th century, the etymology of the. word spell. is the action of speaking of an.

utterance. And then, the meaning is putting that. into letters, but Wow. I'm I mean, back. in the mid-15th century, when they're. talking about spells, that's you know. So, back then, just when they said. spelling. so, the the action of reading letter by. letter. from the noun spell. But, the noun spell, when isn't that. like what what click on that? Because. would that be like how to spell things. out, or was it like a magic spell? Is.

there a different kind of spell? That's. where I mean. the English word spell has to be. developed from wherever it came from, you know. That's where this is going to. go get into, and. I it's yeah, it's a a short form way to. say he's right, I'm pretty sure. So, maybe when they say to cast a spell. That's what A lot of people I have. friends that say exactly what he was. saying, like be careful what you say out. loud, cuz you're casting a spell as soon. as you say it. Yeah, for sure.

I wonder how much of that is real. I. feel like I've lost. you know, the path to fights. and of. it fight is won it seems like it's won. before you ever step foot in the ring. And then or. you know, it's not going right. Something Something ain't adding up. Something I'm messing up somewhere just. mentally. And. you know, and how to beat you in these. rule sets. And like it comes out in the fight.

And I've had, you know, tough fights. where I lost before the fight even. started. I'm like it just seemed like I. was supposed to lose. Mhm. It just seemed like I was supposed to. win. It was too easy when I won or when. you know, it's like. I It's someone else is in control. It's. a lot of the times. I try to, you know, make sure. I'm the one in control and that's how. I've been thinking.

since having success in fights and new. sport. Um. but. ultimately. I just feel like there's another driving. force that's kind of makes things happen. and I no control over it. And it's. either enjoyable or it's a a lesson I. have to get through. Mhm. So. So you think that like everything that.

comes up, every hurdle that comes up is. is a lesson for you? Is that how you get Yeah, absolutely, right? And. you know. I hope I hope that those. I don't need to have training for a. lesson where. someone attacks us in public. I don't, you know, I don't have any experience in. that. I have three bare knuckle boxing. fights. I don't have any experience in. being attacked on the street and I don't. want any. You know. It's a weird thing like. people's I People have uh.

weird attachments to like fate the idea. that you have a fate you have a. but I wonder why they I wonder why. people resist that I wonder why people. think that's not real I wonder why. because in some ways. even if it was real how the [ __ ] would. you know. how would you know you would have no. idea but in some ways it seems like it. behaves like it's real at least in some. way Mhm Like that there is kind of a Do.

you feel like you've ever died before. and then woke up and you were a. different person. But you're the same person but I mean. you've been growing for years. You thought here's the thing you never. know because you go to sleep every night. You used to look like a different human. when you've been in. you've been so young for so many years. Man. with hair you look like a different guy. I did. Yeah 55 years old when I was a kid 55 I.

was like that's dead people these people. are dead 55 they're done man it's over. And nowadays 55 it's like you're a kid. you're just you're just reaching the. best parts of life is retirement stuff. or like. I don't know you've always had success. so You can just the most important thing. is just to be healthy Right the health. that's why I'm lucky I get to exercise. Yes yes I get to otherwise if it.

fighting was not my job. I ain't doing [ __ ]. Really don't you think you get to. exercise Hell yeah man I'd like laying. down and not doing nothing I'm just like. my dad back in the day so I sit on the. couch and. eat some M&M's or something. Change the I don't know. I I need it sometimes though my brain. needs it You need something. Well it seems like you you you you. recognize balance which is why you've. kind of like relaxed after your last. fight, which I think is important. I. think you're right about that.

It's probably good to let things heal, but I really do hope you get that neck. looked at. I'll I'll connect you with. ways to well before we leave. Thanks. I. mean, I get massages. Oh my gosh, I got. one Friday. I had I was. You know, Conor's always got the. cupping. Mhm. He's always got the cupping marks. And I. was supposed to have a cupping. appointment the other day, and it's like. she just. did like four and moved them a couple. times. and mostly massaged. I was like, "Man, I want the.

I want you to put a [ __ ] cupping suck. them. out. Yeah, all over. My arms, my back, chest, neck, balls, everything. Yeah. Yeah. I want to Yeah. Yeah. For real, man. That's real pleasure. I enjoy that. Go. ahead, suck that pain out of my neck, man. I've only had that done once, the. cupping thing, maybe twice. Really? Yeah. I thought you dealt with stuff. like No, dude. Get a lot of deep tissue. Into martial.

arts. Yeah, but the cupping thing I never. really [ __ ] with. It's like two times. I think I did it. But uh a lot of people swear by it. Do. you swear by it? Does it work for you? it a few times. I just. Oh, Jesus. Look at that guy's back. That's insane. That's insane. Mhm. That looks so crazy. It's a baseball player, Bryce Harper, but I'm not It looks like it probably. is. That Oh, that one. I didn't. So [ __ ] crazy. That looks like like. spores are growing out of his back.

Like they're contained. to keep them from exploding and spraying. spores into the air. They have glass. tubes around it. Acupuncture hurts. That [ __ ] I don't like it sometimes or. I mean, massages have messed me up, too. Yeah. You get your thumb in there, and. then something pops, and you're like, "Oh, [ __ ] All right." And acupuncture. that the UFC that used to touch that. thing and put the little electric cord. on it. [ __ ] like like a tattoo gun that.

stabs you. I don't know. It's not going. in and out. It's just shocking you. I. don't like that. It hurts later. The little thin needle don't do much, but then later you're like, "Damn." Did. you get relief with it though? The of. whatever the injury was? No. It didn't help? It did at the. moment. It's like it shoots It's like. you get adrenaline in that area Mhm. because you're being stabbed and. electrocuted. in a very small pinchy way like a.

you know. It's like ah. and later it's so sore from getting You. like acupuncture? No. I've only done it. a few times. And I yeah, I don't I don't dislike it. Like I think it works for some people. At least they say it works for them. Maybe there's a placebo effect. Some people swear by it. They might be. right. I just I didn't have good. experience with it, but it might have. been I only did it with one guy. I mean. maybe some people are better at it. But.

deep tissue massage has always helped. That helps. That helps a lot. sit there for 6 hours and let. Yeah, I think that's that's really. important. Like when you get knotted up. and. that's why I worry about your neck. Like. there might be something chronic in. there. But I feel like it always does this. It. comes back and you have to PT it and you. work, but that's I mean the stem cells. definitely a part of that for some. people. ever use an iron neck? Like a workout machine? No, it's it's not like a it's a halo.

that you put on your head. You ever. heard of it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And. you. like turn. It really helps rehab necks too. Yes. And you control the resistance and. how much effort you want to put going. side to the. So, you're not putting pressure on the. discs cuz you're not bending like this, which some people think could if you do. it wrong could [ __ ] you up. But, this is. different cuz your your neck is always. straight up and down. And you're just. strengthening all the muscles while like. working on your range of motion with.

this halo. I'll get you one. I think we have them. here. Don't we have them here? I think I. still. We still have a couple. Yeah, I'll get. you one. You'll you'll like it. It's great. And it maybe that would help. you, too. Cuz I know a lot of people. that have had neck problems and they do. it slowly and it strengthens the muscles. around that area. Like maybe it creates. a because of the resistance creates a. little bit of more range of motion. You know? Yeah. That's why I need. something. Do you ever do uh do you ever. do yoga or anything like that to stretch. out? I used to, man. I used to Yeah. P90X.

back in the day. Oh, okay. Back in the. day. Um. Yoga is I don't know with the boxing I. like to be tight sometimes, right? Like. um before a fight I wouldn't want to be. having to get massaged up. Um You like to be tight. to earn that tension. Yeah, in the gym. I work on it, but. I feel like I earn the pain and then. Interesting. Yeah. And then I don't. know. I just I work through it, though.

That's what I'm supposed to do. Yeah, your mentality is uh very unique. That's interesting. I have no choice, bro. But, what if it helped you perform. better if you got it massaged out? You could be too loose. If If you're too. loose, you're not as fast. Really? Yeah. That's what I just believe. Um But, there's a lot of very fast guys like. that though. some.

coaches are like. I don't know. A good boxing coach before. their fighter boxes, they're like. hitting them on the neck with stuff. Mhm. Or like little hits. Some do like a. rub like right before which is weird to. me. I would honestly be like don't [ __ ]. touch me before we go out there and. work. Like I have this I when I have a. fight in the event I have to create this. aura that [ __ ] a force field that. pushes. you know my way through things and.

like when me and Conor McGregor faced. off. he was moving all over the place and I. stood my ground. I stood so still. I stood still and I couldn't be. you know wavered or moved. He's moving all over the place. I mean that says that he was free in. that moment to do so obviously.

Um. but it was me respectfully. calling him out which shows the. the professional in martial arts that I. have been for so many years. How do you. call a man out in a sport that you know. he has a family and. you know you guys want to hurt each. other and they can honor it in a fair. way and promote it to be entertaining. I. mean everything he does people watch. that [ __ ] So it was great to have him. there really boosted the moment for me.

Listen if he decided to do that if. somehow or another they gave him the. green light to do that I did I can't. imagine how that could ever happen. But. if it did. if that happened in in a bare knuckle. fight that would be [ __ ] bananas. That would be bananas. He's a good. kicker too. He kicked Cowboy Cerrone in. the head who [ __ ] kicked my arm. Yeah. he's a very good kicker. He's a very. good kicker. He.

could do everything. But I mean if. somehow or another he agreed to fight. bare knuckle me Jesus Christ you know. how big that would be? My lord, Mike. You versus him. is it? And that Yeah, he beat the guy who got. me. So. That would be That would be wild. It'd be cool, man. They say it's the. pink panty night now cuz I released a. video on Instagram me eating my. girlfriend's panties.

Uh. and uh If they did that in bare knuckle, it would get a million pay-per-view. buys, at least. With Conor probably get two, three. probably get two or three. No, I don't. I don't have enough fans. I don't know. how many he sell. What was he saying to. you? Uh. Fair play to you, mate. Respect you. I. love the way he talks. I'd fight you, no problem, mate. That's.

okay. I just It just It just happened, man, before that fight for that camp and Oh, wow. It really So, your friend who died, he. died just from a sparring match? Just a. sparring incident? Yeah, man. Terrible. And he was Everyone knew him. He was so tough, such tough guy. It's a. unpredictable thing. Those kind of.

injuries are unpredictable thing. So. You know. Yeah. It's tough, man, and. it's. [ __ ] even more to fight for though, man. That's why. You know, I guess I have to I used to. say it back in the day some of my I was. one of my call outs in the UFC. Whose. life you want me to ruin next? [ __ ] yeah, dude. That's Somebody's life. going to [ __ ] up, man. And it's you or. it's me. Let's go. I'm figure it out. Give me some money. Give me some more. I need cooler things,

toys. I flew private. These Kimpire Pandas. [ __ ] flew me out private and. and. put me up in a car in a nice beach. house. I took the family to vacay. Um it's beautiful in Destin, Florida. I. never been up there in in that little. panhandle of the. the peninsula or the. um. Florida, Gulf of Mexico. That's what it. is. That water is so sketchy though,

man. I don't [ __ ] with the ocean like. that. It's sketchy. Did you see that video. that Russian dude getting eaten by a. shark? [ __ ]. That's got to suck, bro. That's got to suck. I kind of That's got to suck. That's a. rough way to go, Sid. You can't see that. [ __ ] like. them and you can't get away. to get a hold of them. But they yeah, they. And they and they got knives in their. mouth. A giant thing. Rob Dyrdek went down. there and Rob Dyrdek did it. He went He.

went down with the chainmail and let a. shark bite him. Oh, he's so crazy. That is so crazy cuz. just the bite force. Bro, just the scuba. diving. Right. Just going underwater, breathing. in a [ __ ] hole in your. It's so hard. I did it in Hawaii. I. almost [ __ ]. passed out. My friend Duncan was staying. at this resort in Maui and right where. he was staying, a lady got snatched. offshore.

Snatch by a shark? Was it a lady or a guy? It was recently in Maui, like real close. to the beach. But like Duncan was there. I think he was there a week later. Like [ __ ] that. Huh? There's sharks out. there killing people. And you're just going to go swimming cuz. the water's warm? Are you out of your. [ __ ] mind? I would swim 60 yards. No, the water was beautiful. beautiful in Destin. It's like I would. jump in and then go back to the sand.

Oh, the woman was uh the one where a man. was swimming with his wife. Oh, I. actually found one where they were This. is actually more recent. I saw this. Russian couple doing ice baths in the. winter. uh in Russia and he she they dug a hole. in the ice. and the wife jumps in the [ __ ] hole. and the current took her under the. [ __ ] ice and she died. Oh my god. It's [ __ ] Russian people. Oh my god. They didn't know that it was. right a raging river? [ __ ] them. Oh my.

god. Could you [ __ ] imagine the. horror? Oh my god. You imagine cutting a hole in. a river and not realizing what you've. done when you jump in and you can never. swim upriver. It's not a video. No, no, don't show me. Don't show me. This is so. crazy. in front of her family, too. Oh Jesus. Christ, people. It's terrible, man. But but maybe you know, people people. live on in life through their.

experiences. and you know, it's like we're all. connected. And then. you know, in the in the [ __ ] stars. and [ __ ] and the. It happened instantly. For sure. Everything you experience is. now a part of human life. She went down. instantly? And instantly and then the guy goes in. right after, which I don't know how he. made it out. Oh god damn it. are. Have you ever been to Japan? Yes. That cool? Yeah, it was very. interesting. I was there very briefly. because it was just for a UFC.

Oh. But it was interesting. I It was. beautiful. Did you have some wagyu? Uh. no, we had some sushi, though. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Nigiri? We had uh I see you be eating that with. a private chef or whatever. Yeah, I like I'm I'm more into sashimi. these days. I'm trying try to eat too. much rice. I've been on a carnivore diet. Yeah, I like a little bit of rice. sometimes. Me, too. I do, too. You mostly keto? Yeah, right now. I'm just trying this.

out. I'm trying this out for a few. months, seeing how I like it. So far, I. like it. That's good. I cheated a little bit. I had a acai. bowl the other day. Oh. That was nice. You got to get over the hump with it. No, sometimes I just feel like trying. I'm I don't want to be strict with. myself. You know, 7 days a week. One day a week. if I feel like eating something stupid. I wanted some ice cream. I just had it. [ __ ] The Rock eats? Oh my god. He goes. ham. He goes He's like, "Cheat meal Sunday.". Yeah. [ __ ] Peanut butter and pancakes.

and ice cream. He goes in, man. Well, if you're going. to do it 1 day a week, that's the way to. do it. Obviously, it works. Listen, Mike Perry, I'm honored to be a. part of the longest conversation you've. ever had with a human. Thanks, dude. I appreciate you. I appreciate your your. fighting style and your your fighting. spirit, man. You're a fun dude to watch. I'm a fan. Thank you, man. I hope. I can entertain the world. [ __ ] yeah. All right. Thank you, Mike. Thank you. Bye, everybody.