JRE MMA Show #138 with Cory Sandhagen

[Music]. by night. [Music]. all right I'm good how you doing on top. of the world right now dude. I'm a pretty happy guy right now what a. fight that was what a fight that was in. my opinion one of the most technical and. one of the like the the finest. performances in that division that 135.

pound division to have a guy like you. and Marlon go after it like that that. was a [ __ ] great fight really great. fight and you're you're like on top of. it right now man it's really exciting to. watch yeah um I'm getting pretty good. you know yeah for real like I've really. been. just plugging up some holes like. figuring some some stuff out I feel like. uh I'm at the part in the martial arts. Journey where I've gotten really good at. being a really good learner like I can.

learn super fast and super efficiently. now. um and it's like big time paying off. like not only that but I also the space. I was in before that Cheeto fight was uh. unlike one that I feel like I've ever. been in in my life how so. you know uh have you read like a decent. amount of sports psych books yes where. they'll sometimes talk about how you're. almost having this out of Body. Experience where you're at where you're. almost like uh floating above the court. or the field or whatever it was almost.

like that except I wouldn't use the word. like floating above but. I got to a space. in that fight where. um. I felt like all of the thoughts and all. of the distracting things that sometimes. happen in a fight. were completely ignored and this like. higher being better version like best no. thinker just actor was running the show. like it's almost like I was watching the. thing happen while I was in the fight. and there would be bits of me hopping in.

and being like hey throw this. combination hey take a little bit more. of a risk hey do this and then that. would get completely just watched and. this whoever was fighting that night. that didn't even feel like me was the. person that was fighting it was [ __ ]. cool man wow it was cool dude it was. like. you know. like a psychedelic experience feeling. type of thing it was cool what do you. attribute that to how did you get to. that mindset it's a lot of uh.

you know messing stuff up like I. remember the last time I was on was. right after I had beaten Frankie and uh. I was. in it's just a bunch of different parts. of the journey and and uh in that part. of the journey I was really in this. space where if I could make myself more. war if I could make myself more Angry if. I could make make myself be up here I. would have success that kind of stopped. working a little bit after uh. like around the TJ fight and then kind.

of during the yawn fight and then. definitely I tried to be that guy. against song and it was like too much of. a distracting feeling. where now my mindset's going into the. last fight because it was such like a. distracting feeling just feeling like I. have to get myself to a point of anger. or upness before a fight where. it just be became distracting where it. was helpful before it became distracting. in that song Fight I bailed on that and. I just tried to be as Mindful and as.

present as I possibly could. um for like and I know that those are. like kind of corny words now but uh. there is some real substance to them uh. when they're like really done well and I. would say maybe about six weeks before. the fight I I had this moment where I. was sitting on the couch because I put a. lot of pressure on myself and I I uh I. want to be a World Champ real bad. um. where I was to the point where I wasn't. enjoying any part of the camp any part.

of the experience of fighting or. anything. and I was sitting on the couch and I. just like I I think I was crying a. little bit and I was like I can't. [ __ ] do this for the next five years. of my life you know like I can't do this. for the rest of my career and I was like. well that's got to change and I was like. I Gotta Lose I gotta take this pressure. off of me and I got to start enjoying. every day a lot more than I am right now. and from that like six weeks before the. fight I started doing that and I really.

think that that carried into the fight. and it made me be. a lot less tense a lot less tight and it. made me be able to fight with just like. a completely free way of being. wow and is this something that you had. previously thought that you could get to. that space or wanted to get to that. space or is this something that you kind. of experimented along the way and found. this path. I'm a self learner uh and and I think. that uh.

I think that there's ways of being in. life that like you just kind of have to. be at certain times like when you're a. young kid like you have to be like going. and hitting it hard like you have to. remember all of the hundreds of. thousands of people on the other half of. the world that are trying to accomplish. the same goal as you and you have to be. a little bit in my opinion you have to. be a little bit on the neurotic side of. like am I doing every single thing. correct am I doing uh am I putting the. right amount of pressure on me that. that's totally a part of the journey but.

I'm kind of more on the part of the. journey where I've matured a lot as a. fighter I've matured a lot as a person. I'm getting married this year like I'm a. little bit older we're looking at kids. probably in the next couple years and so. I had to start thinking like what's. sustainable like what's like a. sustainable way to continue doing what I. love but also becoming like a more. mature adult. um and that's just part of the journey. that I'm in right now and uh I don't. think that anything was wrong with the. way that I was doing before but.

it just is like a moving Target all the. time so it's like you're just finding. new ways to approach it and then. realizing this weighs better than the. other way even though the other way was. effective this is even more effective so. you're constantly trying to tweak it. yeah and and I think that uh. everything kind of has its purpose like. uh in those times where I would I was. really embracing this like War mentality. this like very like. bloodthirsty vicious type of fighter.

that I was trying to be when I would go. into the cage that totally had its place. because I had to experience what I've. what I thought that had to feel like in. order for me to be the best martial. artist that I can because I do feel like. I've pointed all of my energy in my life. and my mind and my spirit and everything. towards the direction of being the best. martial artist that I can be and so. going through that had its purpose man. like I I had to figure out what it was. like for me to be.

like a vicious killer you know because. in society that's like not cool you know. so like almost like uh the Shadow Self. or whatever uh is like the subconscious. term for it. um I had to like experience that I. experienced it I figured out that it was. no longer serving me it was being. distracting so what do I need to do now. now it's like okay you figured that part. out you can be that guy whenever you. want to be that guy but now we're being. present now we're enjoying it and you. don't really need to be that guy until. you walk into the cage and even when you.

do walk into the cage you don't need to. be this like really dramatic super. emphasized like vicious guy like be that. guy but. you don't have to overdo it and and when. you're learning something I almost feel. like you have to completely overdo it in. order to learn like where that cut off. is like even in technique like. if you could do an arm bar. and win every single time with an arm. bar why would you ever stop doing arm. parts right it'd be stupid so like you. figure out how to like do something way. overdo it figure out where the cutoff is. and be like ah okay I can't do it in.

like those situations you pull back you. figure out what situations you need to. do it in and then you move forward what. was this what happened I lost can you. hear me. my uh headphones cut out. hold on check check check check check. check. something happened over here Jamie I. don't know what's going on but I lost. the uh headphones. we'll be right back folks sorry about. that no that's okay so.

so where where were we at um so what was. it about the other way you were. approaching it where you know last time. you were here you would just Embrace. this idea that you went in there with. the intention to [ __ ] people up. what was distracting about that it's. it's like a it's like a hot Burning. Flame you know like uh I I feel like. it's I can only hold on to it for so. long like I can't really uh. like it's a lot of energy to be that up. and so when I would be in the back and.

warmed up because you kind of you don't. know exactly when you're gonna walk so I. try to be ready you know like 20 minutes. before. it's been like 30 40 minutes warming up. trying to be that guy and then for 20. minutes trying to sustain that guy and. that's like a long time to be that up. you know so even in the in this fight uh. because there's no preparing for that. last hour before you go walk like I. don't care what type of guy you are or. how Zen you can be or how confident you. are that that last hour before a fight.

like your mind's gonna [ __ ] with you a. lot and it's gonna go to you thinking. that you're the god of the universe to. you thinking that like you're about to. go get slaughtered and uh. in the back. before. if I started to feel like I was you know. having those like impulsive thoughts of. like fear or you're about to go get. slaughtered I try to just cover that. [ __ ] up real quick by getting like real. pissed. um and that's like a lot of energy to do. so before the Cheeto fight I was super.

proud of the way that I was able to. handle those feelings because those. feelings are like real as hell when. you're in the back. and how do you handle them well I just. watched them man like uh I just realized. like ah okay like I'm having I'm having. the sense of fear in me and I would just. kind of sit there and be like okay well. I'm not really fighting right now so. just let the fear be there right now. your job is to get warmed up and so I. just took it okay right now I'm getting. warmed up okay they said 10 more minutes. till we walk.

okay I'm having the sense of fear still. that's okay I'm still in the back and. then step by step by step okay I'm I'm. walking out now cool. okay looking across from them okay touch. gloves now we're fighting it's literally. it sounds super [ __ ] simple but it's. just step by step by step man just like. okay I'm having that sense I'll just. watch that and not really ignore I mean. you acknowledge it but you don't I. didn't I don't try to cover it up or I. don't try to like be someone else I just. kind of watch it as if it was just.

someone else it happened into someone. else and then just move on it doesn't. sound super simple at all not to me at. least it's I know what you're saying and. that feeling has got to be like riding a. wild wave like you just gotta maintain. your balance and to watch you go into. that fight. what was so impressive. um besides the fact that you're fighting. a world-class guy in Marlon Vera and you. you were controlling the action was the.

overwhelming like the amount of. information you were throwing at him you. were constantly changing levels. constantly threatening takedowns. constantly switching stances and. everything was you know there's Fighters. kind of sometimes they'll fall into a. pattern and you can kind of predict that. pattern there was no pattern with you it. was all over the place and it was so. overwhelming when I was watching I was. like Jesus Christ like this is so high. level and I don't I mean for like a.

casual. don't know if they're seeing that but. for someone who watches a lot of fights. and has been around martial arts you. know my whole life when I was watching I. was like this is about as high level as. it gets thank you like you were mixing. [ __ ] up so well like the way you were. choosing your attacks whether it was the. low kick or whether it was punches and. the switch stance to punches the the the. shot it was amazing man it was really. [ __ ] good it was really fun to watch.

because. it wasn't just that you were doing that. but you were doing that for five [ __ ]. rounds like you never varied you never. slowed down there was never like. breathers it was just a full-on assault. of all of his reactions and all of his. uh his you know ability to read you it. was like attack bang hit there okay. trying to settle boom this coming oh now. there's a shot it was like there was no. there was no breaks yeah it was pretty. awesome man it might be [ __ ] wild.

yeah it was pretty wild uh I think that. that's always going to be one of my. stronger points is that I can make. decisions a lot faster than other people. um I I honestly think that that's what. makes good people from great people. because good people can do they can make. the right decisions and continue to make. them continue to make them continue to. make them but uh at some point the. person that's better at doing those. things is going to surpass that person. eventually it might not happen early you. know like it could take some time and.

against some of the best guys in the. world it's going to take some time but. eventually your processing speed will. out power theirs you know and I think. that I do that really really well I. think that. um my training has a lot to do with that. too what is different about your. training. um so all of the conditioning that I do. or almost like the the conditioning. parts that I take really seriously. um are the sparring days I used to like. hit mitts real hard and I still do like. a strength and conditioning workout once.

a week. um that's like you know 30 seconds 30. seconds 30 seconds minute rest you know. and stuff like that but. um there's no getting tired like there. is getting tired and sparring so I'll do. if I I usually do 10-week camps the. first week I just knock the rust off you. know and then I do two seven weeks or. two seven round weeks so we Spar Tuesday. Fridays I do seven rounds those days and. then the next two weeks I do eight. rounds both of those days and then I'll.

do like six and then the rest of them. five because I want to get used to five. but in those seven round weeks in those. eight round weeks those are hard as [ __ ]. man like I get like I try to get so. tired where I'm just like I can't I. don't feel like I can make decisions. anymore and I really think that having. the concentration to focus for those 40. minutes makes it way easier for me to. focus in the 25 minutes you know like uh. it's I you know I don't really know if.

that's science or not but I definitely. think that if I can stay focused for 40. minutes 25 minutes will feel like. nothing so I really really push myself. there and is this a a strategy or is. this a program that you've just. developed over trial and error yeah I. make my own [ __ ] up pretty much really. uh pretty much you know like I I uh so. Christian Allen was my coach he's like. the guy with always the crazy haircut. kind of built like me. um. Christian Allen has always been my coach. uh. and he's an interesting guy like uh a.

lot of his philosophies are really. traditional martial arts philosophy like. he turned me on to a lot of really. um. like people like Bruce Lee of course. like krishnamardi uh like just like free. free thinkers so he always instilled in. me this uh and try to empower this. ability inside me to think for myself. because I think that a lot of people. don't really do that in the sport to be.

honest with you I think that a lot of. them get their hand held by their. coaches which is totally one way to do. it and honestly a lot of people do need. that but uh I I was never taught to be. that way I was taught to be the. quarterback of my own game uh not like. someone that takes orders he instilled. that in me big time so I kind of I. tweak things and handle a lot of the way. that I do things in Camp by myself I of. course have people around me that I know. love me a lot and care about me enough. to tell me what they think I should do.

and I have. and I will listen to them if I if I. think that they're right but a lot of it. is like me just kind of being like a. lone wolf in life and in martial arts a. little bit and me just figuring stuff. out myself so do you think that's. because well obviously nobody knows you. better than you and you're absorbing all. these techniques from all these. different people and all these. strategies from these different coaches. But ultimately it's up to you to execute. with your mind and your body and so.

you've just decided the best way to do. that is to absorb all this information. but even maybe more important do it. yourself yeah definitely. um yeah what's the Bruce Lee quote it's. like uh. except what's useful discard what's not. useful and then make it your own or. whatever it is yeah um. that's like martial arts you know like. yeah that's what Christian taught me. from when I first started when I was 17. years old and uh. and I think it's the way to do it man. like I really do like I I when I think.

about other sports and how they compare. I don't think like like at the very. highest level when I watch interviews of. like Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan or. like uh Tom Brady and all of those guys. those guys are interacting with their. coaches much differently than a lot of. the other players and coaches will. interact with with with each other where. it's not. um. the coach isn't telling the the player. what to do the coach and the player are. interacting I think when you get to a.

certain level uh and me and my coaches. kind of sometimes we'll get into it you. know like I'll be like hey man like. I don't think that that's like a. reliable way to go about doing things. because I think building like I use the. word reliable a lot like when I'm. coaching people because you don't want. you don't want tricks you know like. tricks are okay you want things that are. reliable and uh. so that's like what I shoot for when I'm. trying to like learn techniques and. learn different things is it's like is. this reliable or is this kind of like a. tricky thing that like will sometimes.

work uh and I always shoot for Reliable. um so I'll get into it with my coaches. sometimes like hey Banks like. I don't know if that's that reliable do. you have an example something that's not. that reliable sure sure uh let's say. like a like a low single you know or. like a uh. um. I I think it I think honestly it happens. a lot more in Striking because I think. that because there's because people. really don't understand the inner. workings of how striking Works people.

want to use tricks and tricks will work. a lot. until you get someone that like catches. on to your [ __ ] so like I think like. let's say just for example in Striking. like uh. any combination really like that's kind. of more it's not a trick but it's uh. it's a set thing where things have to go. really right in order for it to work a. hundred percent of the time. um. and I don't really think that that's the. approach that you should take in.

Striking I think that the approach to. striking should be reliable things it. should address space It should address. position and it should like address. angles and like those are like the three. areas of striking and the inner workings. of striking that don't really get talked. about because a lot of it is taught in. uh in a very tricky way because tricks. are very digestible for people. um where the inner workings of things. are very like conceptual and hard to.

understand what do you think when you. say that most people don't understand. striking like what do you mean by that. okay so. I think that there's uh there's things. that are happening in Striking matches. that are like I said not very digestible. so like I said so there's space there's. position and then there's your. advantages. space is is like uh and and I hear. people talk about like Rhythm all the. time you know rhythm is just. closing space going away from space.

closing space going away from space. space is key because striking happens. with your eyes striking is like we're. playing this game like hey hit my hand. and I'm moving it around you know that's. like why switching stances work so well. and we can get into that in a little bit. but space is your reaction time because. striking happens with your eyes instead. of grappling like if someone's leaning. into me I I have like the proprioception. to feel they're leaning into me let me. move like this it doesn't happen with. your eyes and striking that happens with. your eyes I see your punches come in I. know to block so the more space I have.

and the better I can maintain and. control space or manipulate Space by. closing it quickly or or using it at the. same time you close I close where I. could be twice as fast. um the more. the more success I'm I'm going to have. um. uh so for example like um. I I just don't think that people are. understanding space in a way where it's. like it is your like reaction time so if.

you get closer to like if you're. standing over there and I'm standing. here it's not scary if you throw a punch. at me because I have plenty of time to. react to that punch where if me and you. are standing right next to each other. that's like super scary no matter who. you are you know. um so space is reaction time and I. really don't think that a lot of people. see space like that they see space like. oh yeah like you're at the end of my jab. that's when I can hit you everything is. about like can I hit you this and that. uh we're like the defensive piece of.

striking isn't really harped on as much. because again it's like not as. digestible. um and then there's of course like. position like my position and then your. position my position according to your. position so like Lefty righty righty. Lefty Lefty Lefty righty righty. um and all of that is important because. if you are in a different stance than I. am the targets change like what you. throw is different than like the attacks. that you'll have are very different than. the ones that we would have if we're in. the same stance if we're in the opposite.

stance I don't think that people. necessarily pick up on those things too. I don't think people super understand. position as like my guard like where am. I open if I stand like this and where am. I open if I stand like this. um. the advantages like being a little bit. outside your shoulders on each side so. that I can take angles a little bit. easier if I'm standing over here I know. you're going to correct yourself here so. I'm going to step here you're going to. correct I'm going to step here and then. eventually I'll be able to build off of.

attacks but that to me is what striking. is striking is in it's a positional. battle and it's a battle for space and. it's not like combinations and it's not. set things. not set things yeah so what your your. style is very uh stance switch dependent. you you mean you you do that as good as. anybody alive and it's such a valuable. asset and it's more Fighters are.

embracing that now than ever before but. there's something about that if you if. you're a custom like if you're. accustomed to standing Southpaw or your. custom standing Orthodox and you're. accustomed to facing Fighters that are. Styles bar Orthodox you get like used to. attacks coming from different places but. when you're doing it you're you're. mixing [ __ ] up so much that you can see. this overwhelming thing that's happening. to the opponent you could see like like.

one of the things Cheeto said he. couldn't get started. but the reason why he couldn't get. started in my opinion he's a great. fighter but it was you it's because you. were constantly feeding him with reads. and information and it was never ending. so there was no break where he gets to. find his openings no break where he gets. to initiate it was just overwhelming. yeah super overwhelming that that that's. what that can do uh because like I said. you read it with your eyes so if I'm.

switching my stance all the time the. target is changing all the time like if. if you're in a righty stance and I'm in. a righty stance also the targets are. different like your right kick is going. to land on my outside the outside of my. leg if I switch Lefty it's going to kick. to the inside of my leg I know that you. know this but. um if I'm constantly switching those. targets all the time it makes for a hell. of a a hell of a time for you you know. and I I started switching really really. early uh I used to really like watching. nanito Diner uh the boxer yeah and he's.

he kind of switches a lot like a lot of. his steps are switches I used to love. watch I thought it was super creative. and uh all like switching stances now at. this point I think in martial arts is. almost like a non-negotiable like you. you have to be able to do it. um but it just changes the target it. changes my weapons like so much where. like if you can't keep up it's just. gonna like fry your brain and I felt. that with Cheeto you know I felt like uh.

anytime he started to understand my. movements I would just change or I would. start level changing or I would start. doing something different so that he. couldn't get an opportunity to be like. that's what I need to do because then I. would just change it and then he'd have. to figure out something else one of the. things that was fascinating about that. fight to me is that it's so obvious that. even though you have physical skills and. he has physical still skills it was your. mind it was strategy and it was.

execution there was there was a lot. going on there that was important to you. winning that fight it wasn't just your. physical ability it was it was really. like the best example of what I love. about MMA which is that it's high level. problem solving and you were creating. all these problems and he didn't have. answers to some of them and you had. answers to his problems and that's a. mental game and that that's to me what's. so fascinating about fighting and for. the people don't understand from the.

outside that are just casual fans it's. like this is a complex interaction. between two people that move very fast. and any error that you make one way or. another running into a right hand. running into a knee running into this. and and you're really good at setting. people up for that like the Frankie. fight's a great example of that that to. me is what's exciting about MMA and so. when I see a guy like you that I clearly. see like oh this motherfucker's on. another level like you hit something. like whatever it is like were you.

talking about this mindset change or. it's just this stacking upon skills and. layers and experience to get to this. Championship form when there's there's a. really exciting time when a fighter. comes into that Championship form and. that's what I saw in that fight I. appreciate you saying that thank you. um. yeah I don't really know what it is. either I think that I've definitely uh. just my chart matured a lot as a fighter. I think that that's like a big piece of. it too uh I took a lot of pressure off.

my shoulders I'm like a phenomenal. learner to be honest like if I do talk. to my own horn I think that that's. something that I'm really good at is. that because you're open because you're. obsessed is it become obsessed I'm very. thoughtful. um I don't think I'm smart guy like uh I. think that I read a lot of books so I. speak kind of okay and then uh but I'm. not smart like uh they in first grade. they used to take me to another room to. like learn how to read you know I used. to have to like ask my mom like hey like. why do I read like different books than.

the other kids you know uh so I'm not a. smart guy like I I never did good in. school. um. but I'm thoughtful and uh you could use. the word obsessed too but I think I'm. incredibly thoughtful about the way that. I'm going about doing things like. in life in fighting I try to be super. super intentional I try like I make. notes every Monday and Saturday I make. notes on Monday I make notes of the. things that I'm working on uh you know. like a to-do list like sometimes how I'm. doing all of that stuff but I'm super.

organized in the way that I'm like. trying to learn and the things that I'm. trying to like progress in whether. they're technical things uh mental. things or whatever and then I recap all. of those things on Saturday made sure. that I did them and then I wrote down I. write down what worked what didn't work. what I need to continue to drill what. what I should pull back on because I. don't think it's really worth the time. because there are so many techniques and. some things just aren't worth the time. uh at at certain points you know so uh. I'm super thoughtful I'm super organized.

and I think that that's like probably. one thing that separates me is because. I like uh everyone wants it kind of the. same everyone's a really good athlete. everyone works really hard physically. um but like there's got to be some X. factors like it has to be everything if. you if you really want to like be a. World Champ like I say that I want to be. when did you start doing this. note-taking thing uh. probably seven or eight years ago. um seven or eight years ago is when I.

started working with my sports. psychologist. uh he kind of turned me on to it I also. used to train a lot with Dwayne too and. Dwayne would like always be writing. stuff down Wayne Ludwig he's obsessed. yeah Dwayne's super obsessed too that. guy's an amazing coach yeah he really is. it's it's when you look at his system. when he's got his bang Muay Thai system. and he brought out his notebook and he. showed me I was like Jesus Christ who. the [ __ ] does this yeah when you look at. all of his combinations and what sets. what up and the way he has it like I was. very impressed with that that's like the.

thoughtfulness that I'm talking about. yeah you know like uh that's like just a. different level of caring and like a. different way of showing that you care. is just like like I do that too you know. like I write down like how striking. Works uh I'm hopefully gonna be filming. some instructionals pretty soon so I've. really been like spending hours and. hours and hours writing down like. how I think striking actually works. outside of the way that it's being. taught now hmm. so when you are in the process of a camp.

when you set out a camp and you you're. doing this 10-week program do you have. everything planned out like from the. moment the Camp starts more or less and. is it mostly you that's planning. everything out yes. um yeah uh that's like me being the. quarterback you know like uh I take full. responsibility for everything that I do. in life you know like uh if if I'm not. getting takedowns it's not my wrestling.

coach's fault it's my own fault because. I I know I'm being taught correct things. um I've surrounded myself with good. people that are teaching me the right. thing so I don't ever worry about like. not being taught the right things if if. I don't get good at something. I like almost feel pathetic because I'm. like man this guy's uh like with the. wrestling uh like if banks has to tell. me something week by week by week I. start to feel like pathetic I'm like why. am I not getting better at this you know. um so I take responsibility for every.

single thing that way there's no one for. me to blame except for myself if I lose. um and that's another thing that I don't. know that a lot of people are doing too. that also causes me to like get into it. with some people sometimes too which is. fine also you know because they know I. love them and they know and I know that. they love me so it's not really like a. big deal when we do get into it but. I I write down yeah week by week what. I'm doing what my Monday Tuesday. Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday looks. like when I'm doing my visualizations uh. I I incorporate like a decent amount of.

self-hypnosis type things that I like. doing too. uh I I write down when I'm doing that I. write down when I'm flying training. Partners in when I'm going out to. Virginia to Trend with Ryan. um yeah pretty it's pretty much like to. the to the T written out when you say. self-hypnosis like what are you doing. there uh they're like um so a lot of. them so this dude Michael Seeley on. YouTube does them uh they're just like. 50 to like an hour and 15 minute.

uh hypnosisies where they like calm you. down for like the first 15-20 minutes so. I try to get you super present and then. I enjoy there's all different kinds of. them but I like and I I enjoy doing the. ones where um. they like almost walk you through like. finding your spirit animal or like uh. going on an astral travel or something. like this I think that there's a lot of. substance to getting to a really calm. place. and then letting your imagination kind. of like feed you what's kind of going on.

deeper inside of you. um. and uh I do a decent amount of those. which sounds a little bit funky and a. little bit weird but I've had some super. intense. uh experiences. by just literally laying there put my. headphones in and listening to this dude. talk on YouTube well I'd imagine that's. I feel like when you're at your level. and one of the things that's exciting. about what's going on right now in the. bantamweight division is that there's so. much talent it might be the most Talent.

stack division in the UFC it's hard to. say because 55 is great 45 is great. there's a lot of amazing divisions but. from my money I think 35 might be the. [ __ ] because there's just so. many guys there's marab there's pyoto. there's Marlin there's you there's. algermane there's so who knows in there. now and there's all these guys coming up. too that are super high level Chris. Gutierrez is there's some [ __ ]. killers and everyone recognizes that the.

level is so high in that Division and. they see a fight like your fight with. Marlon or marab's fight with pyor and. it's like Jesus Christ man if you want. to compete in that division and you. gotta have everything right you have to. dot your eyes and cross your t's you got. to get that [ __ ] exact amount of rest. you got to do everything hell yeah. everything yeah this is just the most. insane pressure cooker that I think any. division has ever had because I feel.

like there's like eight world champions. competing for the number one spot any. one of these guys could be a world. champion any one of these guys and in. another time period would be a world. champion but because of what's happening. in MMA right now because the skill sets. are so high and the talent level is so. high that everyone's recognizing that. and you're seeing these [ __ ] insane. breakthrough performances like every. time from these guys like marab versus. pyoto like you versus Marlon these.

breakthrough performances are just like. where everybody else is like God damn. got to go back to work because it's just. so pressure intensive I know it's it's. actually really awesome uh like I. reflect on that sometimes around like. damn man like you're in the hottest. division in the biggest organization in. like the most badass sport right now. yeah and that's [ __ ] cool man like uh. when I reflect on that it's awesome and. it also is like it's literally gonna.

bring out it has to bring out the best. in me for the next rest of my career. like it's absolutely has to like it's. not one of those divisions where it's. like I'm gonna beat that guy I'm gonna. beat that guy and like literally all the. way up and like past the outside the top. 15 I'm like man if you're not on your. p's and q's and you're not working your. ass off like you were a 21 year old kid. you're gonna be [ __ ] you know and and. so like uh. that I wouldn't have it any other way. man like that's what's going to bring. out the best of me and I'm like super.

just grateful that I get to be a part of. it while it's actually happening it's. kind of like feels surreal that that's. the scenario that's it's awesome it's. awesome that you're embracing it like. that because it's awesome for me as a. fan to watch this happen because I think. it's very unique I think it's very. special it's like you remember back in. like there's a Showtime documentary on. the Golden Age of like when Hagler was. fighting Leonard and and Hearns is. fighting Duran and Duran was fighting. Hagler and these guys they all fed off. of each other but it was only a few of.

them like the UFC right now it's a. goddamn Carnival I mean there's there's. a [ __ ] massive crowd of Assassins. that are all competing and you'll see. these new bantamweights that come into. the UFC and you know they might have 16. 17 fights outside the organization and. then you'll see them in their debut. you're like Jesus Christ This Guy's. world class world class already first. fight in the UFC I mean that that to me. is so exciting because this sport is the. only sport that you could really name.

that if you go back to 1993 and you look. at it from 2023 you're looking at a. massive evolution in the game massive. massive I mean not even comparable. there's not a single person from 1993. that looks like they're a world champion. in 2023 but if you go back to 1993 in. boxing you got a lot of world champions. you got Oscar De La Hoya Julio Cesar. Chavez you got [ __ ] assassins who can. compete in any division or in any rather. uh era at any time in boxing you don't.

have that in the UFC you have this. complete new kind of thing that's. emerging and evolving and it you're. seeing these top performers that are. just reaching total new heights yeah. it's it's cool it's like uh it's in like. that period of like history where uh so. I'm sure that all the sports went. through this but like wrestling is. pretty standard you know like uh there. are certain things that work really. really well and of course like people go.

outside the box sometimes but there's. like a proven system of like what works. where I feel like an MMA we're not at. that point yet you know like we're kind. of like we're all in this like Discovery. like yeah who's gonna figure out how to. make this thing work the best you know. like that's almost what I feel like the. race is right now yeah where the race is. like. like I said man everyone works hard. everyone's pretty athletic you know like. everyone kind of has like their little. quirks and like the ways that they do. things or whatever but who's gonna. figure out how to be like the best.

system of MMA because every other sport. I feel like has done that that's like. why most soccer games look like all the. other soccer games yeah but in fighting. not all the fights look like the same. fights and I think that that's just. because it's in this like Realm of just. full-blown creativity which is because. we're just trying to figure out like. who's gonna get the best system first. you know yeah it's pretty fun it really.

is fun it's so fun to watch and I think. that's really important what you just. said is creativity because that's a big. part of this. overwhelming style that you have is that. it's creative is that you're you're. doing things that are unexpected but. standard like you're doing punches kicks. takedowns but unexpected did so you're. finding a way to deliver these things. inside of these spaces and movements and. stance switches. it's [ __ ] wild to see man and it's.

just it's so exciting to witness this. growth of this what I think is the. greatest sport that's ever existed and. to watch it Blossom and Bloom and become. what it is now it totally is man like uh. fighting's the best sport in the world. man there's nothing in my opinion. there's no other sport that's more. inspiring either like uh it's one like. fighting's entertaining as hell but like. how inspiring is it when you watch like. a guy like bulk go fight Islam up away. you know like how inspiring is that.

sometimes I wonder if that's just me but. I don't really think it is man I think. it inspires the world that's a Rocky. movie yeah seriously man like uh Israel. taking on perea this week like how. inspiring man like the guys lost to him. three times and he's like he knows man. like he knows that if he loses again. like he's probably not gonna fight for a. title for a little bit yeah. that shit's inspiring dude like how high. can how much higher can the stakes get. can't get get any higher if you've been. watching his training footage uh I've.

been watching some of the embeddeds he's. got uh his own channel. um I think it's called freestyle bender. and he puts up all these videos of all. the [ __ ] that they're doing and this. [ __ ] is going so hard yeah he's. going so like you can see he's just. broken at the end of some of these sets. and training sessions it's just he's. going as hard as you possibly can with. his mindset that there's there's a way. to conquer this guy there's a way to. beat this guy and. I'm so [ __ ] pumped I I can't I'm mad. it's two [ __ ] days away I know you're.

gonna call it hell yeah oh you are not I. can't wait lucky I know I thought about. going and then I bet I'm going too many. weekends but man I can't wait I can't. wait and mozball and burns I kind of. want to see who wins that fight too. that's a very interesting fight it's. it's going to be interesting to see if. Moz Vidal can handle the burns takedowns. and burns his aggression it's just. where's mosfit all in his career you. know I mean he looked great in fights in. the past but then you know you see the.

fight with Camaro he gets ko'd and then. he loses the fight to Kobe gets. overwhelmed like where's he at right now. he's older I think would you say he's 38. 37 or 38 you know at a certain point in. time. you can't do it anymore the same way. that's what he was saying too right he. was saying if he loses this will. probably be his last one yeah yeah dude. did you used to watch all of those. videos of like the street fights before. kind of dude that when I was thinking. because I get asked you know sometimes.

like hey how'd you get into MMA I don't. ever have like an interesting story you. know I'm like well I used to watch Cambo. knock people's eyeballs out in backyards. remember that video dude holy [ __ ] that. was crazy yeah that was crazy they were. like fighting here a satellite dish. there's all sorts of stuff in the. backyard they're gonna move around this. is seriously yeah but yeah I remember. there was like a stint in my like. teenage years where I just would watch. World Star Hip Hop like. did do you ever get on World Star. Hip-Hop oh yeah yeah yeah yeah where it. would just be like fight compilations.

and I would just watch for like 40. minutes just like people beat the [ __ ]. out of each other on the streets and I. thought it was so awesome that's like. what got me into fighting I was like oh. yeah I want to [ __ ] some people up like. that that looks cool it's funny that. that got you in but your style is so. intelligent yeah it's like your style is. like high level chess but that's just. Madness yeah chaos and I mean I think. every teen I mean the fantasy I think. for most dudes that don't fight is they. just want to like you know like be tough.

like everyone wants to be like tough you. know and uh fighting is the best way to. be tough and uh when I was like younger. and just watching that it was like [ __ ]. yeah I want to be like so tough and like. kill people the way that those people do. and you know what's [ __ ] that most. people don't understand is the amount of. work that's involved just to get your. body physically prepared to be able to. fight for 25 minutes it's so taxing to. the mind it's so grueling for your your.

just everything gets tested your. Ambitions get tested your will your. fortitude your commitment your. distractions your self-hate and Loathing. your self-love your ego everything gets. tested. I can't think of another sport where. people go in and probably worry or have. to like be super concerned about how. tired they're gonna get like can you. like like I I like think about like. basketball football you know like other. sports there's always substitutes like.

that's like a major demon to conquer on. your way up in MMA is like how do I not. be scared of getting tired as hell. because it's the most tiring [ __ ] in the. world especially when you're coming up. and like you're nervous in fights and. you don't really know what you're doing. your Technique isn't as good and. I don't I can't think of another sport. where they really. where you have to go in and be like man. if I get tired I'm getting my ass kicked. like literally get my ass kicked that's. like another thing that makes MMA cool. it is and that mental battle and. wondering whether or not you've done.

enough in Camp because there's some guys. there's some guys that are very very. talented but they they're not very. disciplined and those guys you could. always see that moment where the other. guy is in shape and they start to doubt. and start to think about maybe I ate too. many donuts maybe I slept in missed a. few training sessions that I could have. gone to and now I don't have a gas tank. and this guy's coming after me yeah. that's a horrible spot to be in it's a. horrible spot to be in and there's. another thing about MMA is the.

management of your energy in a fight and. this these calculated Maneuvers or when. to burst and when to take your foot off. the gas and when when to know like have. an understanding of your body like what. it's capable of at any given moment and. it's one of the things that drives me. nuts about bad refereeing like say if. someone one has a big burst for and. shoots for a takedown massive struggle. gets it to the ground and then is trying. to intelligently move to a place where.

they could do damage but the other. person is defending well and then the. referee interferes and stands them up. I'm like Jesus [ __ ] Christ do you. know how hard it is to get someone to. the ground and if that person is having. a hard time on the bottom they should. probably get up figure out how to get up. but for you to just the booze of the. casuals and and you're like come on. stand them up stand them up and you just. interfere in a fight it drives me nuts I. I can't I don't really think that they.

fully understand what it's like from. like a Fighter's point of view to be. like finally I got this [ __ ]. down right and then like. to have him stand back up and then you. got to do the [ __ ] again yeah and on top. of that maybe you know you empty the gas. tank a little bit doing that and this. guy's fresh and then you get kicked yeah. you know and then all [ __ ] your now. your legs compromise now you're. switching stances now you're trying to. relax but now this guy's turning it on. now you have to eat up the gas that you. were trying to conserve and now you're. moving or it's unnatural it's like you.

there was an unnatural intervention in. the exchange and that was a referee I. know I uh I always think about like uh. how because everyone talks about the. judging and all that I always wonder how. that could actually be like again like. reliably fixed to where it's not. we're not just like guessing or we're. not you know like and it seems like. super hard but I don't I don't I think. that the problem isn't with the criteria. as much as it is with the uh the actual.

rules like I almost feel like. like say you work real hard you get a. takedown and there's three minutes left. on the clock and then there's just so. much uh ambiguity as to like how much is. enough damage that like there's so much. ambiguity happening that unfortunately. because it'll mess up some other things. I almost feel like you have to add in. rules where like uh okay so I get stood. up if I can make it so that this guy. can't punch me for 30 seconds or. whatever amount of time it is or. something but I almost feel like those.

types of problems only will get solved. by rules that they won't get solved by. uh this like ambiguity where like the. ref can kind of make whatever decision. and each rep is different and each crowd. is different and they're just making a. bunch of decisions so I think that. someone not me should sit down and. really think about you know making it. really clear and really straightforward. about like the rules that that kind of. stuff doesn't happen anymore yeah I. think in that sense it is too subjective.

it's too subjective and too many. referees have different ideas of what's. acceptable and also you can see referees. reacting to the crowd yeah we all see. that I think that's ridiculous that. shouldn't that should never judges too. yes for sure there's a lot of bad. judging Jesus Christ some of these. decisions lately where you know they. they like who gave Marlin the fight. uh. I I don't know somebody gave mine on the. phone yeah yeah that's [ __ ] insane I. want you to imagine if there's three.

people who gave Marlin that fight I know. what if one other dude [ __ ] up that. night because that guy obviously [ __ ]. up but imagine if it was someone else. and I like went home a loser like. scratched my head like insane insane. insane yeah that's why it's scary best. performances of your career in a fight. where everybody who watched thought you. won everybody like the the idea of. giving that to Marlon and I'm a Marlin. fan he didn't win that fight he won that. fight it's clear so whoever the [ __ ]. that judge is you're not doing that. anymore like you you can ruin careers. you could take away win bonuses you know.

yeah they they need a universal uh they. need a universal commission yes like I I. really think that that should because I. I almost wonder like why the UFC hasn't. done it yet because if I was a UFC it. would be in my best interest to make. sure that everyone's on the same page so. that uh someone doesn't like mess. something up like because that fight. very well if one other person got it. wrong just one other person. I could have lost and then like that. would have changed a lot of stuff man. because uh it just would have you know.

like people care about wins and losses I. I almost feel like they're you know. someone should look into making a. universal commission so that the rules. are laid out clear we have. 10 judges that we use at this time the. judges are completely 100 on the same. page about what's winning what's not. winning that way all of the fighters. know that because right now it's just. commissions from different states just. deciding on whatever rules they want to.

do and I really think that like Step One. is universal commission I think there's. another step that needs to be taken and. that's an abandonment of the 10-point. bus system I think that system is not. our system that system is a system. that's applicable to boxing and it works. great with boxing you're you're dealing. with uh two weapons you have just. punches you have a bunch of different. ways to apply those punches but you have. a left hand and a right hand that's it. there's so many more things going on in. MMA it's exponential there's there's.

takedowns there's submissions there's. Ground Control there's being able to. dictate the pace there's so much that. happens in MMA that doesn't happen in. boxing because of all the different. skill sets and the different weapons and. how they get applied and what's more. what's more valuable than the other. thing. it I think it should be a very. comprehensive system and I think there. should be way more than three judges I. think I think there's a real good. argument to have like something like 10.

judges and have because like an experts. I mean guys like yeah I mean if you can. get I don't know for us a hobby would do. it but like that level of expert you. know the the guys like safe Saud these. [ __ ] world-class coaches and and. trainers have guys like that judge. fights yeah you'll get a real solid. understanding and if you have 10 of. those. 99.9 of the time you're gonna get the. right winner but if you have three and.

no disrespect but some of these people. just shouldn't be judging if someone. judged Marlin winning over you they. should not be judging an MMA fight. because they either they're not paying. attention maybe they're on drugs but. they definitely didn't see what I saw so. it doesn't make any sense to me sure. even with the 10-point must system which. is a [ __ ] up system but if we had a. system that valid like like all the. different takedown attempts all of the. different strikes oh and it is a point. system so instead of like 10 9 you're.

dealing with like 162 versus 120. the. next round like 195 versus 170. and you. look at it in that way where you could. tally it up at the end sure and look at. it I also think there's something that. Pride had that we really should take. into consideration that you judge the. fight as a whole and that the last parts. of the fight are probably the most. important parts like when you saw. volkanovsky on top of Islam at the end.

of the fight pounded on him that is. [ __ ] gigantic that matters that. matters because if this is a school yard. the schoolyard analogy the teachers come. and break it up and you're on top you. [ __ ] won yeah no one's gonna say. Islam won that fight we got him no you. didn't you know the teachers stopped the. fight with volkanovsky on top you. punching you in the face yeah he won. that fight it's a great Point ever. everybody who saw that at the end was. like volt Gotham yeah that's a great. point I I even look back to gaychian. physiv's fight like Mega close fight but. the judges got it right but gaichi at.

the end was definitely going to be the. guy that if that went another 10 minutes. kg was winning that fight yes yeah yes. that's interesting that's actually yeah. that's actually a really good idea I. think yeah like uh like why not make. take Downs points yes that's how they do. in wrestling right and then why not make. it almost the same as Collegiate. wrestling where if you get up that's a. point too right sometimes kicks are a. point this is a point and all of it gets. tallied up and so it's significant you. know there's that that thinks. significant strikes which is kind of.

interesting but sometimes significant. strikes are body punches when you're on. the ground which we both know are not as. significant as like a like a a front. kick to the gut when you're standing up. it's got more power to it so what is. significant strikes maybe significant. kicks versus significant punches maybe. some kicks are worth more like a head. kick is worth more you know a calf kick. when you see damage when you see someone. limp that's worth more like how many. points does that work yeah I agree I. agree with you um yeah I almost feel.

like that's I mean it's probably the. same process that there are same thought. process that Taekwondo went through when. they were like creating the rules for. their sport too right like. I could see how potentially there would. be maybe some issues with like you know. like people just touching you know yeah. but even then like I mean you can't ever. really tell how hard someone's hitting. ever you know like uh even a guy like. perea I was watching some of his like. highlights and stuff earlier this week. the way he punches people it doesn't.

like they come from here and they don't. like they don't like look like this. right but when he hits someone bro their. head snaps back yeah like uh it's. definitely so you can never really tell. I guess how it's those types of things. you can't. it would be super hard to like judge. from a subjective point but I definitely. agree with you that there needs to be. like clear set like this is worth more. than this this is worth more than this. like if I get a takedown but I've been. beating you up for a minute and you get.

a takedown on me actually. like what what's the balance there so. that I don't have to [ __ ] guess while. I'm in the middle of like I'm trying to. like beat this guy up yeah I think a a. larger number I don't think ten nine I. don't think 10 9 makes any sense to me. it's just too much room for. interpretation too much room for. subjectivity I think we should we should. have some really large number. that's that seems It's just such a. different sport than boxing 10 9 makes.

sense in boxing 1080 got a knockdown. makes sense it does not make sense in. MMA because like so you'll see guys get. knocked down and win the round yeah you. know it's like well how hurt was he on. that knockdown and what should that. count for you know we don't count. knockdowns in the same way that boxing. counts knockdowns where you like if. you're watching like Caleb plant and. benavidez if benavidez knocks Caleb. plant down you know that's a 10-8 round. yeah we everybody knows I always got a. 10-8 round he won that round that is not. the case in ba in MMA where there's a.

clear-cut thing that you could point to. and say you know there's so many fights. that are so goddamn close like sugar. Shawn and pure yawn perfect example like. Jesus Christ that was a close fight yeah. why and you gotta like really look at it. to try to figure out who won I think. they got it right but when I first saw. it I thought they got it wrong because I. was I first saw and peorter was on top. at the end of it I was like I think he. got it and like oh wow he won but I was. eating I was a backstage at a green room. after a comedy show hanging out with.

friends but watching it alone was like. okay that is a complex fight where I. it's close but I think they got it right. I did too I think there should be a. complete overhaul of the of the scoring. system and I think they should have some. sort of a conference where they get. together with experts and world-class. referees and judges and trainers and. Fighters and everybody has input do it. like that UFC fighter week thing that. they do in July and have a [ __ ]. conference where they literally sit down.

and try to remap the way we score fights. because there's no reason to keep. scoring them this way no one's holding a. gun to our head no one's making this. 10-9 thing we just adopted it because. when we wanted to be sanctioned in the. initial part of it you had to get. through the athletic Commissioners. Nevada State athletic commission being. the best and all these other ones you. know being secondary but they they had a. system that was already in place so we. took that system from boxing we applied. it to MMA I agree with you yeah they I. mean they got to do something dude or.

else it's just it's literally gonna. happen like every single month yeah and. people are going to be upset about it. and it's going to be a topic of. conversation until it gets fixed yeah. there's there's been so many fights. recently the Angela Lee Macy Barber. fight there's been a bunch of these. fights where you just you watch it after. you're like what what the [ __ ] did they. watch I watched that fight in the back a. little bit yeah uh because that was the. same night that I fought Cheeto yeah I. remember in my head I was like oh well. you better [ __ ] win this fight by a. margin you know I know yeah yeah it was. crazy though I know that decision was.

nuts like I couldn't I just couldn't. understand it there's a lot of those. lately and I don't know what the [ __ ] is. going on but I I don't know what the. [ __ ] is going on either like I mean I. hate to keep bringing this up but the. [ __ ] Cheeto Cheeto getting a one. judge calling that fight over you how. how. yeah how. I think I might have an idea. I uh so I I. [Music]. um. so that guy was judging or refin a fight.

of my guys along like maybe like four. years ago uh my guy was in a uh. my guy was in a rear naked choke but it. wasn't like sunken in his angle was. right so it was like you know it wasn't. in we're yelling at the guy like hey. don't stop it don't stop it don't stop. it uh the guy stops it. and then you know like I'm like hey man. like you really screwed that one up and. like maybe I didn't say it that nice but. that same ref was the judge that scored.

it for Cheeto uh so I don't think he. like liked me that much maybe that's all. speculation of course but that makes a. lot of sense might make some sense the. only thing that makes and I don't really. mean to throw that guy under the bus. because I actually only really realized. this like a few days ago when when I. looked up what the guy looked like I was. like oh that's the that's the guy that I. kind of bitched out for like [ __ ] up. four years ago you know and it would. definitely it wasn't like.

best interaction with that guy you know. but yeah I don't want to [ __ ] on the guy. because the guy's already getting so. much heat as it is but he should get. heat for that might have something to do. with it that might have something to do. with it and that's the unfortunate. aspect of subjectivity of people having. their own opinions about things and. going into a fight judging a fight in a. biased way. yeah yeah it's not good I also think you. know there's uh have you seen verdict. verdict MMA that's uh it's an app and.

people score from home oh I have seen. that yeah yeah I'm not sure how it works. but they seem to get it right most of. the time that would be funny if we just. had the fans vote it'd be like some. gladiator [ __ ] I'm not saying we should. but that would be kind of funny problem. is when Conor fights the the [ __ ]. Irish people would hack the servers yeah. totally it would just it would just be. about whose country has the most. population yes and who's the most. popular person you know because if you. have casuals that don't really truly. understand what's going on they're. judging it I don't know if that's the.

best idea but maybe if you have someone. who's verified like you know you got. these guys that are either either former. Fighters or like hardcore fans. practitioners people who really. understand martial arts trainers and. maybe you get verified just like you get. verified on Twitter for being Corey. sandhagen maybe you get verified as. being a verified judge and so you can. purchase dissipate yeah some people. would love that it's not a bad idea yeah. yeah at least we should have a secondary. score something that doesn't count like.

we could say how do the people at home. feel how do the verified uh you know uh. either athletes or trainers or how do. these people who we say this guy. understands MMA and he gets to vote and. there's like 5 000 of them what do they. think yeah and then you look at like 99. think Corey won yeah I mean that's. statistics right like the larger uh. population size that you have the more. right you're going to make it right. which is why you would never do like a.

drug test on three people you know you. know they don't do pharmaceutical tests. on three people yeah that's why when you. have judges where there's three people. judging a very important fight that. easily could be for the number one. Contender position how the [ __ ] is that. how's that okay that's not that's not. smart it's not like judges are so. [ __ ] expensive but we can't afford. five of them or six of them like Glory. has five do they yeah is Gloria still. around Glory's still around oh no yeah. they mean they they're not around the. United States unfortunately you know.

when they were doing like that um that. [ __ ] big tournament in LA and you. know they have they were on television. in in the US I really had high hopes. I was really hoping that they would do. well because K1. like in the 90s and the 2000s was the. most [ __ ] awesome thing in the entire. world the most [ __ ] awesome it was. the most awesome thing like I talked to. some people now now that I'm like 30 and. a little bit older some people like. don't know what it is and I'm like look. that up on YouTube and watch every.

single K1 fight ever it's the most. awesome thing in the world just show. them an Ernesto who's highlight reel. seriously Andy Sauer oh my God. I mean there's so many guys [ __ ]. Peter hurts dude Jerome the banner I. mean they had some Remy Bon jovski they. had some [ __ ] fights man dude uh you. know what fight I was thinking of the. other day is uh chahid versus. remember that oh yeah dude that's fight. that fight has just like disappeared in.

history but that was one of the most. awesome Epic fights that's ever happened. in history. yeah he was awesome he was awesome what. was he Australian. I think so right he was Greek what was. he from Australia oh yeah yeah you might. be right there it is dude this is the. most oh man yeah he's Greek this fight. was [ __ ] bananas these guys got in. each other's face from the moment the. fight started. I mean they just [ __ ] went to war.

look at this I'm so glad that I got to. bring this up for people where they'll. like you know watch this [ __ ] because. this is the most awesome fight in the. entire the most awesome fight yeah yeah. if I was running the UFC and clearly I'm. not but if I was I would not be. interested in slab fighting I'd be. interested in this yeah oh yeah yeah. totally why if you guys want to do. something else yeah that's going to be. big how about have Pro kickboxing yep. because everybody loves high level. kickbox dude in the small gloves like. one right and it's or you could do it in.

these gloves or or yeah small gloves is. fun these gloves are way better than the. glory ones too like the glory ones look. bulky and like they they like guard the. face too much these these look like. these are like uh so Dwayne let me put a. pair of these on. um are these tens or eights dude they. might be eights but but dude it's your. it like literally just covers what it. needs to cover they're essentially they. feel like MMA gloves um except without. fingers it's the right number Eight's. the right number it's so crazy that like. heavyweights are using four hours in MMA.

right but eight ounces yeah that's crazy. that seems like the right number. specifically for these guys but there's. a lot of these guys out there in the. world like Cedric dumbe just got signed. oh yeah I saw that yeah they almost had. him sign a while back which is it sucks. because he lost like two years of his. prime where you know he's he for some. reason it didn't work out and he didn't. get in but now finally that guy is in. MMA and you're gonna get to see just. Elite world-class striking that's. awesome and [ __ ] conditioning that.

guy came to my gym he did my podcast and. he came to my gym in LA and I and they. wanted to use the gym and so uh while. you know after the training after the. podcast session he did a training. session so I got to watch the whole. thing they do some wild strength and. conditioning [ __ ] so much strength and. conditioning it's all sprints on the the. the treadmill you know that. self-powering treadmill and then run. back over to the bag and it's. time go and he's doing another thing. doing plyos doing all these different.

things but it says but that's why that. guy's got this insane gas tank when you. watch Cedric Doom Bay fight one of the. things he does he melts people he just. keeps that he's got crazy power super. intelligent very creative inside there. but also just melts people with that. pace he's been around for a while too. right he has okay yeah because I was. gonna say I haven't seen much of his. fights recently but I know that he's. been around he's a comedian like a legit. he's a comedian oh France oh really yeah. he's a funny dude man oh that's cool. Cedric doombe shoots down reports of UFC.

deal oh no the rumors of Cedric doombe. signing to the UFC cropped up after the. fighter shared a cryptic post on social. media because I know he was about to be. signed at one point so what the [ __ ]. hasn't happened yet officially is all oh. so he got a call from Dana White and he. sent a picture of it yeah here's his. okay tweet about it okay I know you want. to see me at the UFC I really want to. make you love but the choice he offered. me is really not easy and at 30 it will. be the last choice of my life look how.

you spell choice it's French it's French. is he spelling it in French that's what. it is. this is mature. um well [ __ ] man I hope they figure that. out because when you get guys like. pajera or get guys like Cedric Dubai you. get to see Elite striking yeah and it's. also you get to see this problem problem. like with peda you saw it with the. arasania fight doesn't really know what. to do when guys are wrestling them you. know and that was a big problem when.

Izzy got his back and he couldn't get. out of that it's like wow he was a very. sluggish on the ground this is like a. mark a difference between the fluidity. and the efficiency that he has on his. feet and then without a sign you got him. on the ground you said whoa because he's. gonna have a problem with like the. Robert Whitakers of the world or the. Marvin vittori's these big [ __ ] that. know how to wrestle yeah there's I I. think grappling is super interesting or. at least from like uh the way that I've. kind of learned things uh and wrestling. is because it's so proprioceptive that.

like you literally I don't feel I can. get good at it until you clock all of. those hours like that's like a really. cool thing about I mean everything comes. more natural to people of course like. striking came really natural to me but I. had I started everything at the same. time but uh Jiu Jitsu was so. proprioceptive that it like it wasn't. natural for me like I grew up playing. basketball like everything is hand-eyed. coordination you know moving your body. uh. but like wrestling and grappling it's. like uh it's almost like when you you. learn a different language and you.

always have that accent you know what I. mean where it's like oh that that guy. didn't grow up doing that you know. because I can see by the way that he. just does like really small nuancy. things and you can't get rid of it. unless you just like clock hours and. hours and hours of it like I feel like. striking's that way too though don't you. yeah I think for some people and that's. why I said maybe it's because just the. way like I just naturally picked up. striking really easy too but uh for. bulky guys for bulky guys striking. becomes a real problem yeah because. moving's a big deal and it's also like.

guys who are used to grappling they're. used to moving their body in a very. specific way and then all of a sudden. they gotta snap and explosion yeah it's. like a different thing yeah and a lot of. them like the big bulky guys have a. really hard time picking up fluid. striking yeah definitely definitely but. if you like you see a guy like Floyd. Mayweather or something started when he. was a little kid my my God it's like a. part of his it's like blinking it's just. like completely natural movement yeah. yeah I mean uh yeah because when I think. about how I've because I do think I've.

made some giant leaps in my wrestling. game recently the the reason I think. it's happened is because Banks and I. will just like hand fight and Pummel for. like. 20 30 minutes straight on a lot of days. like uh like Wednesdays and Saturdays. we'll just do that because I really feel. like I don't understand things until I. can actually just like clock them hours. and hours and hours because it can be. the difference of oh my shoulders here. or my shoulders here like on someone's. chest that like stops them from running.

me over right and like those things you. just don't learn unless you just like. clock the hours and hours and hours. another thing that makes like MMA just. so awesome and fascinating too is just. there's things that you just can't skit. without just clocking hours and hours. and hours no shortcuts no no especially. at the elite level it's like you can't. because everyone's talented everyone's. motivated everyone's driven everyone's. successful everyone has experience yeah. it's just like what a pressure cooker.

seriously it's good though man because. like like I said like I don't really. have any other Hobbies like I don't. enjoy doing other things so like I'm. like super capable of just like clocking. hours and hours and hours because I. don't like do other [ __ ] in life that's. good that you don't do other shopping. because you wouldn't have time for it. yeah it's it's really it's the question. with a lot of elite athletes in MMA is. like how long can you maintain that. intensity yeah because it is a grind. It's a Grind yeah yeah yeah I'm in a.

nice place though because I kind of. after that yawn fight I took a year got. better. was able to rest like my nervous system. you know like when you're like wanting. to fight over and over and over again I. feel like your nervous system never. really gets to chill because it's like. all right it's like thinking a couple. months ahead you know yeah but my. nervous system feels good right now like. it's excited to think a couple months. ahead now that's great yeah so the yawn. fight you took on short notice like how. much time did you have five weeks five. weeks yeah so half time of what you. prefer and what did you get out of that.

fight. uh. I was super happy with the way that I. did those five weeks I was really happy. about that. um that was the first time that I had. actually gotten rocked to the point. where like my like body wasn't listening. to me uh so that was super interesting. um what did you get hit with uh [ __ ]. like a spinning back fist left hook it's. pretty it was a pretty badass attack but. it happened in the last minute in the. third round and I feel like I was.

fighting [ __ ] awesome round one round. two four minutes into round three got. rocked stood up was like okay went back. to the corner I don't really remember. what happened in between the corner. because I was so like oh [ __ ] like I. just got rocked and for the first time. ever in the fourth round uh my eyes. weren't or my legs weren't listening to. what my eyes were seeing so like I felt. like I would see punches coming and my. body just wouldn't get the [ __ ] out of. the way which was crazy so I got my ass.

whooped in the fourth and then when I. went. uh after the fourth before the fifth I. remember taking this like deep breath. and being like. oh okay like now I'm back to being. myself but then in the fifth I kind of. had to fight like a little bit. compromised because I was like well [ __ ]. if I get hit like that again that could. be like lights out you know. um but that actually helped me a lot in. the song fight because in the song Fight. I got rocked pretty early too. um like just got like really excited.

like wanted to like crack him with the. right hand when I saw an opening and. that [ __ ] song is fast dude like. uh I had never fought someone that I. think was that athletic and that fast in. my life so I threw a right hand and song. like [ __ ] chambered his shoulder and. threw like a hard left hook as I was. turning back in and it rocked me and it. didn't phase me anymore because I had. been through it in the on fight so uh. even though the young fight I I of. course was upset because I lost like I. took that away from it and I feel like.

it actually helped me Win Again song big. time because after I got rocked I was. like eh I know that I'm okay you know. which is like when it happens to you the. first time you're like oh [ __ ] me I'm. like am I gonna get knocked out now. right so so it helped but uh. yeah I was like more or less happy with. how I did just got dropped was. compromised I'll get it I'll get at him. again you know the song Fight was. amazing because I got to watch that as a. spectator cool at the Apex cool which I.

[ __ ] love I love fights at the Apex I. think it's amazing I hate him well you. don't hear the crowd yeah I would. imagine for a lead fighter when you're. fighting a big opponent like song you. dong it's a very important fight that. you would want a giant roaring crowd and. you wanted to be at the T-Mobile but man. as a fan to be able to especially where. I get to sit like at the desk nice so. I'm sitting there right there watching. the cage and I don't have to work so I'm. just listening and watching and and [ __ ].

man what a what a great experience it is. watching world-class fights in that. environment where you can hear. everything because it was only like. 100 people there like maybe right it's. like only people to get invited so. you're you're sitting there and watching. world-class fights almost like it's in a. gym yeah song's awesome too man like I I. really feel like that guy I mean he lost. to me but like that guy kind of gets. left on a little bit man like uh that's.

what we were talking about earlier. there's so many people in that division. I'm actually really curious to see how. him and Ricky Simone how that fight goes. yeah that's gonna be a killer fight. that's a great that's gonna be a killer. fight very exciting fight yeah I'm. really excited about us excited about. algeman and Henry yeah that's super. exciting too I know at first you know. like okay so at first just being in the. division and just like the lens that I. have to like walk through life I was. like damn [ __ ] Henry's just coming. back you know like [ __ ] getting. a title shot you know but then now I'm.

kind of like. oh [ __ ] this is gonna be like a cool. fight you know like it's gonna be. exciting yeah it's it sucks in one way. because this guy sort of takes your. place or takes a place. but in another way it's like he brings a. lot of eyeballs to the division to the. division and and also he elevates. everything yeah like that's the reality. of Henry sahuto that guy is a [ __ ]. Wolverine yeah I mean he really is he's. good too he's very like he's kind of. dorky on like and I know that he tries.

to be dorky the French stuff yeah yeah. but dude when you watch that guy compete. like I remember when I watched him [ __ ]. fight Cruz. uh like yeah I always try to like get a. read on people uh like what what their. body language is saying how their eyes. look you know like I I feel like guys. that do a lot of like shifty-eyed stuff. before a fight aren't always the most. focused that might just be something. that I think there's no science behind. that but I I almost feel like I can like. tell but when I watched sahudo fight I'm. like oh man that guy's locked in man.

like that guy is locked in he's a hell. of a competitor yeah Elite competitor. won a gold medal at like 18. yeah gold. medal in the Olympics two Division World. Champion MMA I mean he's a [ __ ]. monster and you know I think one of his. most impressive performances was small. and Mirage yeah because Marlin had him. [ __ ] up in that first round Marlin was. T Marlin is probably one of the most. talented guys that just can't be pushed. past a certain level when he gets pushed.

to a certain level the wheels fall off. and it's very interesting it's I don't. know if it's psychological I don't know. if it's because he cut so much weight if. it's physical like he doesn't have a. large gas tank I don't know what it is. but if I watch that first round I'm like. oh my God this guy's a world beater yeah. like Jesus Christ Marlon Mirage is. [ __ ] Henry sahuto up yeah and then. the second round Henry made an. adjustment just started putting it on. him yeah he did what he had to do he was. like all right this [ __ ] ain't working. we're going after this guy that was cool. yeah Henry's a hell of a competitor you. know who else is too though Sterling bro.

oh yeah Sterling gets slept on as like. the champ and he's a hell of a. competitor yeah he's a hell of an. competitor well you saw that in the. second pewter yawn fight because I think. Peter yon felt like I'm gonna [ __ ] this. guy RPG she did you know he won the. first fight by pretending he was hurt. which I don't think he was pretending at. all and but meanwhile the guy gets an. artificial disc put in his neck had to. have neck surgery because his neck was. [ __ ] like so that knee 100 [ __ ] him. up and then on top of that he has to get. this surgery where they're putting a.

titanium articulating disc in his neck. and then he goes and fights again and. then dominates that's a big deal big. deal yeah yeah uh. yeah algeman doesn't really he he. doesn't seem like a super boastful guy. like for himself like I always kind of. see him when I watch like those things. that I watch on algeman he's being like. silly and like calling fights and all of. this stuff he does he's not a super. boastful guy on his own but uh he's he. could be if you wanted to because he's a.

very good fighter and the neck surgery. that's a big deal man coming back from. something like that and it's a very big. deal yeah it's um it's amazing that we. have that kind of technology today that. they can replace discs in someone's neck. yeah at that point where they can fight. in a world-class in a world championship. title fights pretty crazy what did you. get out of your fight with him uh. Sterling yeah. uh not to fight like a [ __ ] don't don't. go in there like a [ __ ] uh no. um I just wasn't I I was kind of I don't.

know man I I just like uh I went into. that fight all wrong like uh I was just. like way too calm way too like I got. this like just being a douche you know. like of freaking. like you know like if if one of my. Fighters was being like that I'd be like. hey man you're kind of a douche you know. like you thought that you were just. gonna walk through that guy like you. didn't get up at all like you know and. and part of it wasn't because I thought. that I was like so much better than. algeman I think part of it was just.

probably just like a compensation inside. me that was like. somehow afraid to lose so I was just. trying to be like some type of character. or whatever you know but but long story. short I wasn't up enough at all and. algemane was up here and I was like here. and here is not where you want to be for. a fight so uh it just made for like I. remember being in that fight and being. like is this [ __ ] guy on my back. right now you know like I was like how. the hell did he get there like this. isn't how this is supposed to be going.

just like dumb [ __ ] like that like. adolescent competitor type [ __ ] uh and. that's actually after that fight that's. when I was like. I'm getting this [ __ ] down now like I'm. figuring out how to show up every single. night so you think that's a part of the. important one of the important things. that happens in the process of becoming. a great fighter is that you have to make. those mistakes in order to learn and. feel the pain of that to know that you. have to make some adjustments and you. have to make some changes I I think I. think from my personal experience uh. like I always try to catch mistakes.

before they actually become like. problems but in my experience in life. the things that I've really fixed. haven't been until after I've like. cracked you know or like had something. horrible happen yeah like uh when that. happens in life I feel like you just. take things way way more serious because. it's like it becomes a reality when like. if you kind of know something's like uh. that's a problem but I don't really have. to worry about that problem right now. because it's not in my face but you're. always kind of like.

that might be a problem one day and then. it actually becomes a problem then you. fix that [ __ ] you know like uh actually. after that fight. um I'll spend a like a lot of time just. you know in my car or whatever just. thinking to myself I'd be like is there. anything that I'm doing right now that I. will hate myself for if I lose this next. fight and like what do I need to fix so. that that [ __ ] doesn't happen you know. and I'm like constantly always asking. myself those types of questions where. I'm just like. look man.

if like say you lost tomorrow would you. change anything right now and like I. asked myself that like a lot a lot. you said something the last time we were. on the podcast that I actually put up a. clip of the other day because it was. it's such a profound thing you said he. said I wish I could win every fight and. feel like I lost yeah. um. yeah what a I mean maybe not because now.

that I'm on The Winning Side of [ __ ] it. feels pretty good. but uh so maybe I don't mean that but uh. as far but it is like the better way to. like become yeah great you know it's a. better way to become great like even. even uh like I was wrestling with banks. the other day before we came out here. and I was like Hey like I'm [ __ ] this. up this up this up this up like I need. to get better at this this like these. are the next steps but uh you know so uh. I I have really embraced that I'm glad. that I don't actually have to feel like.

a loser because that [ __ ] really really. sucks but uh yeah I uh. this [ __ ] is a Marathon Man like it's a. marathon it's an ultra it's an ultra. marathon and it's gonna last for. hopefully the next six seven years of my. life so how old do you know 30. so 37. you think is the exit strategy yeah that. seems like for a natural athlete that's. the the tail end of your efficiency your. body's ability to perform at the highest. levels I don't want to have my like wife. and kids watch me get knocked out a.

bunch of times you know like I I don't. know I don't want to go out like that. you know I mentioned Chris Gutierrez but. the last Frankie fight when Chris. knocked out Franco's I I was very. apprehensive about that fight because I. knew that Frankie had a hip replacement. surgery and you know I mean he's been. around for so long I mean he beat BJ. Penn for the title in Abu Dhabi in like. what was that 2006 or something yeah. when was it it was a long time ago it. was when Anderson Silva fought Damien.

Maya. and dang that was a long [ __ ] time. ago and then you know you think about. those Wars that he had with Gray Maynard. and all the fights that Frankie's been. in. and to see his kids in the audience for. that fight I'm like oh God they're gonna. come see this fight dude and Gutierrez. is he's nasty he's so good so he is. really slick bro when they took that. fight I was like why why you know like. not not to be offensive towards anyone. but I was like Chris is good man he's. very Chris is really good uh and he. doesn't get the dessert the the. attention he deserves because he's in.

this [ __ ] insane division you know I. mean there's so many guys so many. [ __ ] guys in this division it's just. a what a wild ass 135 pound division. it's crazy yeah it is crazy it's. exciting [ __ ] is exciting yeah it's it's. [ __ ] cool and it's so interesting to. me that you know other than Brandon. Moreno and Davison figuerado and you. know there's a few guys that won 25 that. people care about that division doesn't. get nothing compared to the 135 out 135.

Mountain division sells out T-Mobile. Arena you know it's [ __ ] huge. Pay-Per-View fight 125 people like that. too small yeah weird yeah it is weird. hmm yeah Moreno is a badass too I love. Marina I love that too yeah yeah I love. that he's into Legos I love that [ __ ]. dude dude yeah and then uh. yeah it was perea was wearing like some. Pokemon jean jacket or something yeah. yeah whatever the [ __ ] he wants yeah for.

real dude so I shook that guy's hand so. actually I have a lot of respect for. that dude I'll give him like uh. so after he had won the belt the next. week his sister was fighting in like the. middle of nowhere Iowa and I was there. cornering one of my buddies or one of my. teammates and he he was there like. helping his sister and I was like oh man. that's really that's like cool to me you. know like you just want a world title. against one of like the best Champions. that the UFC has had in years and then. you're like in the middle of like dude.

in the middle of nowhere Iowa it was. like an hour 30 just to the airport like. wow yeah yeah so but anyways dude I. shook that guy's hand and it was like. shaking like one of these things man it. was like his hand was like this big yeah. he's a genetic freak yeah there's a lot. going on with that guy he's incredibly. mentally tough he's he's got Insanity in. those the power punches and Strikes is. you you watch him hit guys and they you. can tell like right away they're like oh.

[ __ ] like you could see it he puts it on. them and they're like oh Jesus Christ. like the danger is so high he's got that. one punch KO power one strike KO power. and he's so intelligent about how to. place it on a chin he really knows how. to hit people there and then on top of. that he's [ __ ] enormous yeah he's big. you can't believe that guy weighs 185. pounds you know I walk around I'm. probably 200 pounds how the [ __ ] is that. guy 15 pounds lighter than me he's so. much bigger than me he's huge and then.

you see him get into the cage he's like. 225 when he when he fights when he. rehydrates which is just bananas. seriously I I uh so like I was actually. watching Izzy and perea the first fight. recently and uh he has his hands in a. spot too where he's almost like like hit. me yeah like come on hit me he's almost. baiting you yeah because he you know. like that size of a guy fighting a guy. like Israel that that to me is where I. like really understand why that fight. went the way that it went a little bit.

is because when someone that big. compared to you is standing in there. kind of like this and just like marching. you down with their hands down it's a. little bit intimidating to just be like. well do I just like nail this guy you. know because if he slips and I like. don't hit him he's gonna like Chuck and. [ __ ] me up so I think that that's a. little bit of like a giant Advantage for. for that dude it's also he's got a very. unusual stance yeah he stands straight. up and he keeps his hands like this and.

he just sort of like straight and then. he throws kicks with no Telegraph and he. doesn't throw him full power but he's. got so much power that when he starts. throwing those low kicks like I watched. the the first fight a few times now uh. the first MMA fight and he he [ __ ]. Izzy's calf up multiple times in that. first round with zero Telegraph so it's. not like one of those like dig in and. turn your body over it's just he's just. top just throw it and it doesn't come.

out anyway you're not you're not you're. not seeing any reads yeah yeah those are. the toughest guys to fight honestly the. guys that don't have autograph anything. yeah you know you're planning powerful. just having all that adrenaline in you. you don't need to be loading up too much. that said if you go back and watch the. first fight Izzy was winning that fight. Izzy was winning the grappling exchanges. he took him down controlled him on the. ground and he was doing great in the. Striking rocked him in the first round. had him in real trouble that first round. is 30 seconds longer Izzy retains his. title so it's one of those things just.

like I this is not a mismatch and it's. not like. boy I feel so hard for Izzy no it's like. whoa how is this going to go down yeah. how is this going to go down and when. you got a guy with a mind like Izzy's. where he's so [ __ ] determined it's so. smart and so laser focused he thinks. he's got the solution he thinks he's got. it he's going to figure it out and then. you've got this other thing where when. someone becomes a champion there's this. sort of school of thought that they. almost immediately become 10 or 20.

better yeah I I have heard that I wonder. why I mean yeah when were they they were. saying that with Leon and Usman yeah huh. I wonder why well he's certainly Leon. certainly looked better in the second. fight like I feel like Camaro looked a. little apprehensive I felt like in that. fight like maybe there was something. going on so Izzy's the favorite I mean. he was winning most of the time. interesting. you have any loss by TKO I mean that's. very interesting very interesting look.

at the seven and one versus 23 and two. or something yeah crazy with MMA it's um. it's I mean it's a very closed line that. could change easily if uh more money. comes in on pajera. you know 135 and 115 is almost like a. pick em fight you're a big better no no. bet on anything now you can't bet you. work for the UFC yeah yeah but I was. never really before dude I hate losing. money first time I went to Las Vegas and.

I like lost 20 bucks in like three. minutes so I was like [ __ ] this this is. not for me well that's good it's also. something silly like you can't control. it I mean I guess you can if you're. really good at poker or blackjack or. something like that but it's just like. I'm not interested in that no do you. play those games no no I don't play any. of that stuff I don't play anything. where you don't have to execute I know. dude I don't like games where uh I can't. use my body and something yeah that's. why I like pool because in pool it's. like strategy it's it's there's all this. thinking involved but you have to make.

the shot you have to execute Under. Pressure that that's exciting to me like. picking the card yeah yeah anybody can. do you could be dead you know it's like. it's just you could play digital poker. yeah video poker dude the people that. sit at the things and hit the button all. day um. poker's a very intelligent game and I. respect it and appreciate it and the. guys who win all the time they're. they're Elite thinkers for sure I mean. they're gonna obsessed people. because I'm too physical I like I like.

things that you do with your body yeah. me too I'm the same because it's it's. also mental because you have to control. the body like controlling the body is. like one of the most exciting things. about competition is that you know that. there's a lot of pressure but you have. to perform while you're under pressure. you ever play spike ball no do you know. what it is no it's like that little uh. black and gold game it's like a little. net that they put on the ground and it's. like a park game you you hit the ball at. the net and then it's two verse two. you've never seen that no oh that's. right that's our game dude that's gonna.

be my second career really oh dude I. love spike ball bro uh we play on the. team we'll get a bunch of the guys on. Saturdays in the summertime it's this. game so it's pretty much like volleyball. you're it's like two verse two but it's. a 360 degree game and uh. it's like volleyball but instead of. hitting it over the net you hit it at. the net huh but dude it is so like look. at like you just dive around you like. pass the ball back you get three hits. you hit the board that's wild dude this. game is so fun that does look fun it's.

super fun yeah that's my that's like. gonna be my second career how am I never. heard any of this until now. is this if you heard of this Jamie this. is 2016. it's pretty new though most. people it's a little new it's like. picking up some steam oh this would be a. good game for the beach look at this. this is crazy it's been on ESPN and. whatnot dude oh wow it's so fun that. looks fun it's super fun that's gonna be. the next thing I think so you got to. preserve your knees if you want to play. that yeah yeah yeah there's a lot of. cutting and jumping and moving around.

yeah yeah we yeah we play uh. unfortunately no one's really good. enough to like keep up anymore. I know the guys are gonna hate that I. say really you getting really good at it. yeah I think I'm gonna like join a team. and [ __ ] I honestly think I'm gonna join. like a summer league is that your [ __ ]. it is my [ __ ] wow I love it wow I don't. have any other Hobbies like I'm thinking. about starting fishing just because I. like doing [ __ ] outside but we live in. Colorado a lot of great fishing yeah I. don't I just don't know if it's gonna be. my thing or not you know [ __ ] stand.

there you know yeah I don't know if it's. my thing but spike ball is my truck bow. hunting really [ __ ] yeah I got my old. roommate's super into bow hunting that's. dude I've done a lot of [ __ ] bow hunting. like bow hunting a screaming elk. that is one of the wildest Things really. it's so exciting what do you mean. screaming elk they scream like when you. hit them no no there's they're mating. and so they're screaming at each other. and fighting oh [ __ ] so you're dealing. with these 900 pound animals with giant.

antlers smashing into each other and. you're creeping up on them you know. you're trying to like avoid the wind and. it's very physically taxing because. you're in the mountains so you have to. get up to the top of the hills where. these guys are and you have to be able. to eat. that's what they sound like. where do you do that. um I do it all the western states it's. uh Utah is one of my favorite places to. go I love going there I go to uh. California I hunt in California in. central California every year I like to.

go to Colorado uh I'm gonna try to get. to Arizona either this year or next year. they got elk in Arizona oh yeah where do. they live well the uh a lot of them they. have in these uh Apache reservations oh. cool and you know you buy a tag from the. reservation and they're [ __ ] enormous. it's the most exciting thing like Derek. Wolfe who you know won the Super Bowl. competed in the NFL he said stacking Tom.

Brady's great but it's not as fun as elk. Hunter oh cool which is crazy like. shooting an elk with your bow he said. it's more exciting than sacking Tom. Brady and then you gotta go like find it. right well hopefully you don't have to. fight it no generally with a good shot. it's not going very far okay it's really. just about practice and it's really just. about you know. bow hunting is one of those things where. you look at it like oh you just shoot an. arrow at the animal and then once you. start doing like oh there's so many. layers to this thing and there's also.

layers to execution and archery which. requires constant practice archery is. something that's a completely perishable. skill if I take like a few weeks off of. archery and then I go back I'm like oh. [ __ ] it's all all feels weird but. then if I'm practicing every day I kind. of know where that arrow is yeah I want. to release that Arrow I just watch it. there's something about shooting an 80. yard shot and watching it go right into. the center of the target it's amazing. yeah I don't even know if I could see.

that far yeah you can. but doing it on an animal like that is. it's next level yeah I mean I wouldn't. shoot 80 yards but you shoot long I mean. I I shot 70 yards I've shot an elk at 70. yards but I only did it because I. [ __ ] practice every day for hours and. hours and I'm 100 confident in the shot. but it's uh it's a mind [ __ ] it's it's. exciting it's Primal and the meat is. Sensational and you know you have.

[ __ ] a Year's worth of meat from one. animal yeah yeah I'm definitely gonna. get into that at some point that's fine. maybe just one so I don't want to. [ __ ] practice you would like archery. really yeah it's one of those things. where. while you are pulling that bow back and. and centering the bubble and centering. your peep site and putting that that dot. on the Target and you're drawing back. there's nothing else in your mind cool. you have no room for anything else it's. all about all the different physical.

things that have to be in play your. elbow has to be high you're pulling with. your back muscles you're relaxing your. shoulder release it like let the grip. has to be light but yet you're still. stabilizing the bow so it's just like. this dance of muscle and thought and. then with the perfect execution when you. watch that Arrow strike the target it's. so satisfying dude wouldn't it be cool. to be like a Mongolian warrior doing. that like by horseback isn't that how. they used to like mess up all of the. other yeah they used to because that was. like they're like top weapon they had to.

just like send out fleets of people with. horses. they did so many things that were. horrific they were they were incredible. dude old school war was old school isn't. the right term for it but like yeah old. school War old school War. yeah if you could watch I mean watching. the Mongol sack a city and kill a. million people and stack their bodies on. top of each other. did you ever read uh there's there's. well breed uh there's a great uh. audiobook Series so it's it's really a. podcast but it really is more like an.

audiobook Dan Carlin's Hardcore History. I love his podcast did you ever hear. Wrath of the cons uh no it's the best. one oh really okay it's all about. Genghis Khan and his family what they. did dude they kill 10 of the population. of Earth while he was alive I.E they. killed so many people that they affected. the carbon footprint of human beings on. earth when they do core samples of the. earth there's like a considerable. decrease in the carbon layer on earth. when Genghis Khan was alive because they.

killed so many people why would he do. that it was a bad man what an [ __ ]. very bad man very bad man and you know. he [ __ ] so many women and raped so. many women that his genes are in a high. percentage of the people that still. exist there today it's something nuts. right what was the we've googled this. before was what is the number her it's. something crazy Jamie will find it but. when he was alive they killed somewhere. between 50 and 60 million people geez. yeah like 10 of the world's population.

yeah like one out of ten people on Earth. was killed by the Mongols that's going. to take me a minute to digest so 2003. study sound evidence that Genghis Khan's. DNA is present in about 16 million men. alive today the Mongolian rulers genetic. prowesses stood that's a nice way of. saying he raped a lot of people it was. genetic prowess has stood as an. unparalleled accomplishment but he isn't. the only man who's reproductive. activities was still so significant. genetic impact centuries later yeah and.

what's crazy is that that was like one. of the superpowers of the world and. everyone was terrified of the Mongol. Empire and now. nothing yeah like no one scared of the. Mongols yeah I mean obviously they. scared of Mongol Fighters and they're. tough people but there's no like. considerable Army yeah which is really. crazy if you think about that it is a. thousand years ago if you went back and. talked to them they're like we're. running this [ __ ] forever yeah dude I. used to uh. back when I was like trying to get into. war mind I would just like Google like. the most badass Warriors in time yeah.

and uh I'm an idiot so I like forget. everything after a month of learning. something but uh one of the one of the. Warriors was this Aztec dude and they he. got captured by the other team whatever. whoever it was they took him they cut. off his hands to like try to like uh. just make him miserable for his entire. life they sent him back to his camp this. guy like glues on knives onto his hands. and then just commits the rest of his. life to just like killing all of these. people that like did that and that to me.

this is Christ yeah this might be him. holy Jesus Christ according to Legend. after his right hand was cut off by the. Spanish. galvarino boldly held up his left hand. offering up for his captives to amputate. oh after his right hand was cut off he. offered up his left hand to the captives. to amputate he displayed no emotion as. it was cut off and his facial features. recorded no pain. the Spaniards ordered him to return to I. can't say that word how's that why I say. that word coplacon. to urge him to surrender wow yeah but.

I'm pretty sure that this dude uh like. glued on like knives on his hands and. and because that's like the type of dude. that I was trying to like become. sometimes you know where I'm like yeah. my life is committed to like you know. look at that yeah like that that's wild. imagine being that guy though and just. like having that amount of hatred inside. of you to be like you know what we're. gluing these on and we're going back. Jesus Christ yeah that'd be crazy I. guess but I guess when you kind of I. sometimes think when you grow up in a. society like that and like there's not a.

lot going on you probably get pretty. bored and like commit your life to weird. stuff like that well I bet he was. committed to that the way you're. committed to fighting yeah that's. probably the same kind of thing like if. you're going to be a warrior you have to. be all in and you got to know there's. other Warriors like you out there and. you got to be better than them yeah or. harder than them when I had Tyson on. um I brought up Kangaskhan and his. [ __ ] eyes lit up he knows so much. about like Genghis Khan like first of. all he knew his name was temujin his. real name was temujin that's his born. name and he told the story about his.

brother about how his brother was uh. stealing fish from him and his other. brother so he killed his brother and his. mother freaked out that he killed his. brother but he's he was a [ __ ] killer. from the womb like from the time he was. young and. went on to form this Empire that to this. day is one of the most frightening. forces in the history of humanity like. what they did there's a there was this. guy who was uh the the the Shah of. Charisma had sent an emissary to Jin.

China to go to see whether or not they. should invade or conquer them or what. you know what was going on there and as. they were headed to the city they saw in. the distance what they thought was a. snow-covered mountain and as they got. closer they realized that it was a stack. of Bones there was a stack of bodies. everyone in the city had been murdered. they had to abandon the roads along the. way because they were so littered with. human bodies that were decaying that the. roads had become mud and caked with. filth and just human Decay there was.

like decaying people had destroyed the. roads dang there was so much Decay that. the roads had become mud. gang that's a pretty sad time in history. oh my God be a part of they would set up. outside of of cities of Walled cities. and just camp out until people ran out. of food yeah and then when they started. killing people they would put them on a. catapult light them on fire and launch. them onto the thatched roofs to start. the buildings on fire it's. yeah we don't have it too bad now I.

guess huh we have it pretty fun yeah we. got it pretty good pretty [ __ ] good. yeah I think about it it's almost too. good where I feel like the world's gonna. end pretty soon well I think you. probably are on to something. historically because you know that's. that old thing that people always say. Hard Times create Hard Men Hard Men. create easy times easy times create soft. men soft men create Hard Times we're at. soft men create Hard Times yeah there's. a dune quote I just got done reading. Dune and it goes something along the. lines of like man-made machines to try.

to free themselves when really. what happened is the men with machines. just decided to enslave a bunch of. people where it's kind of like we're. almost like making ourselves slaves to. these machines well maybe even worse. with AI oh yeah that's pretty scary too. yeah yeah I was like right about to pop. and and people are just sitting back. going what's going on what's Happening. Here what is that it's literally like. the nola gay ready to drop a bomb on. Hiroshima it's really like it's like.

right there you think that'll be it is. AI I worry I mean I don't know what. would be the best I don't know yeah I. don't know best case scenario yeah best. case scenario is we incorporated into. our own biology and then we become some. sort of new type of being that's like a. cyborg because if it's not that then. you're going to deal with an artificial. intelligent life form that's so Superior. to us that it creates far superior. versions of itself over and over again. because it becomes autonomous and. sentient it means it can make decisions. and do something it would go well my.

program is dog [ __ ] let me just figure. out how to do this better yeah quantum. Computing and do it with better. technology and and you know nuclear. fusion and figure out some way to have. power that's not destroying the. environment and figure out a way to have. something that's completely sustainable. and then go better and better than that. you know what I hope that they do I hope. that they can clone dinosaurs so they're. going to do that I hope that the AI. thing I hope that that's what it commits. well they're already doing that with. woolly mammoths yes there's a there's a. project project that's going on right.

now where they're going to reintroduce. mammoths woolly mammoth to Siberia and. the idea is that they're going to. reintroduce them yeah what yeah why. we'll see if we can find that Jamie I. gotta take a piss we'll come back we'll. talk about that because it's pretty. fascinating [ __ ]. um woolly mammoth here we go so. scientists are reincarnating the woolly. mammoth to return in four years. interesting choice in words already. reincarnating. what the hell that's scary it's not. really what they're doing though right.

but it's interesting too because 90 10. of all animals that have ever existed. are dead they're extinct so it's like. are we gonna just keep doing this and. what kind of consequences is that going. to have for the animals that are alive. right now like what if they start. reintroducing saber-toothed tigers what. if they start reintroducing you know all. these animals that at one point in time. dominated the Earth dude I wonder if a. Jurassic Park will ever exist I [ __ ]. totally can exist oh man I hope it does. I really hope it does I'll pay whatever. [ __ ] yeah I'll pay whatever they ask to.

see a Target to see a velociraptor oh my. God any amount of money we know how that. ends that ends bad yeah yeah I'm killing. it yeah no one stopped to ask should we. do it yeah that's like one of my. favorite lines it adds bad in the mood. it ends bad in the movie in real life. you have [ __ ] jets. these [ __ ]. crazy [ __ ] Raptor T-Rex no one can. stop that one oh yeah that's right but. the indominus Rex but that's just like. the silliness of two three four five you.

know Jurassic one was the [ __ ] that was. really what it was at like what did you. do yeah you know my favorite [ __ ]. part of the movie is Jeff Goldblum when. he first sees the the Brontosaurus when. he's in the Jeep and he just he gets up. and he's like he looks at that they're. like what the [ __ ] did you do you know I. think that's possible man I think. they're probably going to do it. eventually. it's a matter of time before that. happens it's probably a matter of time. before like we cure cancer and figure. out how to live to 500 years like it's a.

matter of time before anything unless. we blow ourselves up unless we blow. ourselves up which is also real possible. or we get hit with an asteroid which is. also real Possible Oh that's the big one. that would suck that's the big one I've. been obsessed with that for years really. yeah because of my conversations with. Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and. Graham Hancock is the one who did that. uh there's a recent Netflix Special A. series it's really amazing called. ancient uh ancient catastrophe right do.

I say it right apocalypse ancient. apocalypse and this is uh it's all about. what's called the younger driest impact. Theory which is somewhere around 11 800. years ago the earth got [ __ ] pelted. with asteroids and there's all this. physical evidence in in the form of Nano. diamonds these micro diamonds that that. uh are created upon impact when these. giant rocks slam into the Earth just the. Heat and the power and the pressure and. then also iridium iridium which is very.

common in space but very rare on Earth. there's a layer of iridium all over the. Earth around this time around 11 800. years ago and this also coincides with. the end of the Ice Age and Randall. Carlson's life's work has been. explaining how this has this impact that. happened and they know exactly what it. is it's through a very specific meteor. shower that we pass through every June. and every November and that you see the. meteor showers in the sky and everybody.

looks at them but passing through that. occasionally a big one goes through and. those big ones he thinks slammed into. the ice that was covering North America. because at that point in time during the. Ice Age. North America had a sheet of ice. covering half of it that was like a mile. two miles high and all that stuff is. what you see when you see the Great. Lakes that's melted ice and that he. thinks that it happened almost. instantaneously and that these things. slammed into the ice they slammed into. parts of the world and that that is the.

flood story from the Bible That's The. Epic of Gilgamesh that's all these. different things and it also shows why. there's all these like super. sophisticated structures that seemed to. be thousands of years older than they. previously thought they were so what him. and and Graham Hancock have come up with. and that's what's in this ancient. apocalypse documentary is that at one. point in time there was an incredibly. sophisticated society that lived on. Earth and that's the Africans the. Egyptians what they had done in you know.

whatever thousands of years it was that. they built that stuff because it's under. dispute as to how old it really is it's. at the very earliest the very least it's. 2 500 BC. but they think it's way older than that. and these people had technology that we. still don't understand we don't know. what they use we don't know how they did. it but they moved two million 300 000. stones that were tons some of them for. from hundreds of miles they cut obelisks. out of the mountains and moved them A.

Thousand Miles they don't have no idea. how they did it they have no idea what. they used to cut them they have no idea. what they used to move them and you're. talking about people at that point in. time you know when you're dealing with. five thousand six thousand years ago we. thought they were like 100 gatherers. like how did they do that yeah if it's. really ten thousand years old 12 000. years old 20 000 years old what kind of. sophisticated culture exists that went. on a different path than we went on we. went on the path of internal combustion. engines and electricity and and.

computers they might have gone on a. similarly Advanced or more advanced way. but with a completely different angle. they can technology from a completely. different space and that's what we see. when you see those stone structures I'm. worried that that could happen to us and. I'm I'm worried that if something like. that did happen there would be very. little evidence. of the society that's left you'd have a. small group of people that survived and.

lived in [ __ ] utter barbaric. conditions and I think that's also why. people are so [ __ ] Savage when you. look at human beings like six thousand. five thousand years ago what we're. probably seeing according to Graham. Hancock and a lot of other people now at. this point Tom are coming to this. conclusion is a re-emergence of. civilization not the birth of. civilization what we think of as the. emergence of civilization we think of. Babylonia and ancient Sumer and this is. the first mathematics the first written.

language the first Agriculture and what. they think now is this is just a rebirth. of a complicated society and that for. the 6 000 years plus after the impacts. it was probably hell on Earth and the. people that survived were [ __ ]. Monsters Just monsters and that is. probably why people were so [ __ ]. Savage host the construction of this. insanely complex civilization in Egypt I. mean what they did in Africa to this day.

is one of the most puzzling things that. archaeologists have to to ponder like. how. what is this insanely sophisticated. society that existed that built these. structures and left behind with no no. record of how they did it yeah all the. burning of the Library of Alexandria all. the ancient work that they had that they. had where they had like passed down what. had happened all that was gone when they. got attacked and they burnt down the.

library I know I love that uh so much of. science is so unknown still yeah Isn't. that cool man that's pretty cool like uh. sometimes I think that our society gets. super caught up on like how. sophisticated and how smart we all are. and this and that and like I think it's. like a nice reminder sometimes to have. other people question things and uh and. just like come up with different. theories and ideas because it reminds. everyone that we're not all as smart as. we sometimes think you know because I do. think that we live in a society where we.

think that we're so much smarter than. the humans that were around five six. thousand years ago when really is the. same body same brain we just got more. [ __ ] you know know yeah we probably. aren't as smart as the Egyptian yes it's. really likely that what they had figured. out again it was probably it's probably. hard for us to understand what kind of. Technology they used because it doesn't. exist anymore so someone would have to. like figure something out that some. groundbreaking breakthrough technology. that will people go oh that's how they.

did it and then we'll know and then. we'll understand but right now we're. less sophisticated in terms of our. ability to move Stone and make stone. construction than they are yeah there's. no evidence that there was big machines. there's no hieroglyphs that show cranes. or so what what the [ __ ] did they do no. one knows oh no I I don't even I ca I. don't even know how to use a compass I'd. be like one of the first ones dead dude. this is easy yeah I mean just keep it. away from magnets it points towards the. north yeah like being from Colorado I'm. like that ways West you know like so.

that's nice but I think that it would be. a shame if like the world did end and. there was like people scattering to like. survive because I'd spend my whole life. just learning how to fight and then like. probably be one of the first ones to die. because I have no directional no. survival skills you learn them people. would learn them you know people adapt. they adapt quickly yes we've figured it. out but I mean you look at like all. these movies of apocalypses it's all the. same story like everybody reverts to. barbarism it's just horrific conditions.

and people are terrible That's The. Walking Dead that's like everything The. Walking Dead is not really about zombies. it's about what happens to people yeah. yeah [ __ ] that would be sad yeah we're. like building something that allows us. to somehow or another. change and evolve past our primate. Savage ancestry but every time that goes. away we revert right back to it every. time Society collapses power goes out no. more food you have to survive on your. own we go right back yeah that's a shame.

but we kind of know that that's why. those movies are so appealing because we. know that if the [ __ ] went down it would. be horrible yeah it'd be hard and people. would do the worst things they possibly. could in order to get by I wonder if I. even would sometimes like I wonder if. I'd just be like you know what I'm just. not gonna do that I'm just gonna go in. this corner and die bro you'd be [ __ ]. strapping animal skins on and making. armor yeah you would yeah you would it. would take the same mentality that you. have towards fighting and you would. apply that towards War yeah that's what.

I think yeah maybe yeah I think it's a. proxy for war there's an MMA as a proxy. I think it's it's a It's like a thing. that substitutes what is inside of all. of us it's why it's so appealing yeah. that's why dudes love it and it's also. why dudes love the fact that you can do. that and still be cool to each other. afterwards and hug everybody loves a. [ __ ] war and then when dudes high. five and hug it's very emotional yeah. yeah I agree yeah and yeah MMA is. beautiful in so many ways we're. transcending we would I mean and I think.

that allows it it's like MMA is a way. that humans transcend and you transcend. the barbaric nature that you have and. funnel it to something that's absolutely. beautiful it's mma's beautiful it is. it's really in you know like there was. that famous thing where who was that. actress that said you know she's talking. about the Arts and she said and not mix. martial art who was that oh yeah yeah. yeah that's an older lady Meryl Streep. yeah it was a great actress but she.

doesn't know it's okay she's she's got. some silly idea that she thinks acting. is the end-all be-all and that's the. Arts yeah martial arts is a [ __ ] art. when I watch your performance against. Marlon that was artistic to me thanks I. was like God damn that's beautiful thank. you it's beautiful yeah yeah it totally. I think everything's in art if you get. good enough at it and you love it enough. uh like actually you know what I I re I. like love all of the Arts you know like. I love poetry music all of it comedy I. think that it's beautiful that you guys.

like sit in a room think of like all. kinds of cool [ __ ] about life that's. funny write it down and then like go. Perform It On Stage that's pretty cool. it's a fun art it'd be fun I I like get. jealous of you guys because your guys's. job is to like sit there come up with. like funny stuff that connects with. people and that's like what you guys do. and then at the Performing piece of. course but like just the writing out. stuff that like connects with people. that sounds like a really beautiful it's. like writing music or something it's a. fun gig and I've been doing it for 30.

plus years and I'm still obsessed with. it what's like your favorite part about. it the creation of new stuff yeah for. sure yep that's my favorite part about. fighting too interesting it's like what. keeps you interested yeah there's. probably parallels in everything like. when you learn a new skill when you have. a new thing and then you can execute it. and it becomes a thing and with one of. the things that I love about comedy too. is that you have to constantly come up. with new stuff and the audience you know. they want to hear some of the old stuff. because they love the bits but they. really want to hear that new [ __ ] like. hit me with some surprise [ __ ] what's.

some new stuff you've been working on. yeah and that's one of the cool things. about this place that I that I opened. the mothership is that it's designed. entirely for the creation of Comedy we. have two shows in the little room every. night and two shows in the big big room. every night cool and Comics are hopping. back and forth from one show to the. other and we have this thing that my my. friend Brian Simpson hosts this show. called uh bottom of the barrel and it's. a barrel like a little whiskey barrel in. the audience at the beginning of the. show they get index cards and they get.

to write down an idea for a premise and. it's in the barrel and you reach into. the barrel and you pull out a thing and. it'll say like reincarnating the woolly. mammoth and then you go okay. when I think about that I'm going. tonight that's what I'm going to write. down then I don't think that's tonight. that's Tuesday nights I I love like uh. creative things like that though like uh. Whose Line Is It Anyway yeah dude I used. to love Whose Line Is It Anyway you know. like just improv like that to me is. that's like that's like. yeah that's that's an art separate from.

its own like writing down and stand up. that's like its own little art yeah. that's like creativity in the moment. it's like when you were in a fight and. you improvise something out of nowhere. yeah and it just it works you just see. an opening like I think I can do that. and you just do it and it's like it's. not even like I think I can do it you. just recognize that that thing is there. and then do it yeah and then yeah like. anything that's so like boom boom boom. boom boom is cool freestyle rap is. really cool all of that stuff is super. cool yeah freestyle rap is cool but I.

I'm a giant fan of like 90s hip-hop. because those dudes wrote everything out. and like the lyrics were so complex and. they twisted and turned and like I'm a. big fan of gang star and you know. listening to some of their old lyrics. like God damn they're so creative the. Wu-Tang Clan was super oh my God they. were just a bunch of dudes in like. probably their basement just like. watching kung fu movies and writing raps. yeah how cool is that the coolest about. to this day they transcend to this day.

you know wu-tang's for the children were. you a uh Biggie or Tupac guy both yeah. yeah. me too I love Tupac Tupac was amazing. but I'm I'm a fan of braggadocious [ __ ]. talking hip-hop and nobody did it better. than biggie do you ever watch uh like. freestyle rap battles on YouTube Sure. dude they go at each other with some. other things that they say yeah yeah. sometimes they [ __ ] hit each other I. love that kind of [ __ ] too I love I love.

like watching people be aggressive and. confrontational I love that [ __ ] well I. do like that because you're you although. you fight very aggressive and. confrontational you're very calm and. relaxed guy yeah definitely uh I'm like. fascinated with people man like soup. like I went to school for psychology I. worked at a residential treatment. facility for kids like I've done. everything that I've ever done is like. involved like some type of psychology or. whatever. and I love and it sucks to say but I. love watching like uh shitty dating.

shows too online because there's dude. there's so much confrontation that. happens and I love witnessing people in. confrontational scenarios and just. seeing like what happens to the human. person as they're like dealing with a. ton of stress like I remember in college. bro I used to love going into like test. day and just watching everyone freak out. like that was like my favorite [ __ ] like. I love watching people get nervous it is. fun it's fun to watch the nervous system. and the mind get overloaded and all the.

possibilities and the thinking and the. the just the fear and the just anxiety. how they just start being weird dude I. love I love watching people be weird. just because they're nervous yeah it's. fun it is fun it's well it's it's also I. guess we're also accumulating an. information database we're like. educating ourselves as to why and how. the the person and we apply it to. ourselves like what would I do how would. I handle that yeah yeah yeah I gotta. stay cool if that happens to me don't do. that yeah yeah don't panic don't get in.

your feelings yeah I want to like the a. cool thing that I learned when I used to. work at that Residential Treatment. Center was uh like we'd have to like. like uh so as with kids from like five. to about like 12 or 13 or whatever uh. all came from like abuse backgrounds but. I would love to just see how you could. tell that they were feeling a certain. way based off their actions just being. differently like I thought that that was. really fascinating it was like my first. time in life where I was like oh yeah I.

guess like when I do pace around a. little bit I I guess like that's me just. acting out some type of like nervousness. that I have going on inside of me. um but I learned a ton from that place. too that was like watching a lot of. people being confrontation all the time. and their kids too because kids are just. like so innocent and pure and don't know. how to hide anything so everything that. they're feeling they just feel one of my. favorite moments about a fight is the. stare down at the Wayans oh yeah there's. something about the stare down the. weigh-ins you know where I'm very.

fortunate that I interview the fighters. right so I introduce them. and then when Dana brings the two of. them together I get right there and I. look at these guys looking at each other. in the eyes and some of them are talking. [ __ ] but there's this there's this thing. going on where they're both very aware. of this moment and it's like how are you. dealing with it and how calm can you. stay and how prepared are you and how. you know how composed are you and it's. it's a wild moment man it is a wild.

moment I I watch for that uh when I see. my opponents walk out too I watch for. like the same types of things you know. it's interesting you uh you have a very. specific pacing style that you do when. you're getting prepared like when you. when when Bruce Buffer is introducing. you by the way that [ __ ] is the. best yeah Bruce is he's the best dude I. heard him practicing one time oh really. yeah yeah it was that uh forget which. hotel it was at or maybe it was at that. Vegas one but I like hear something in.

the background. like him like making noise or him like. practicing saying the people's names and. I was like damn this world takes that. job serious oh yeah well you have to. some of those names are brutal yeah you. know like some of the Russians yeah. Jesus Christ they're so complex I just. thought it was so cool that he was like. practicing it I was like I love that oh. he's very serious about it and there's. no one better man when that guy goes. [Music]. all right I mean he's [ __ ] close to. 70 years old and this [ __ ] dude's. head turns like a grape yeah he scream.

like one day we're gonna lose him and. he's gonna drop dead and it would be. like the most appropriate way for a guy. like him to die a legend to have a heart. attack like interviewing a world. championship fight you know I mean he. needs to have an offspring soon. right we need to right it'll be the. third Bird yeah the third buffer yeah do. you know he didn't even know his brother. until he was like a grown man I heard. that isn't that wild yeah that is crazy. and then the UFC couldn't afford his. brother so they got Bruce because. Michael was the [ __ ] man let's get.

ready to rumble. everybody would go crazy that was the. thing and Bruce you know if you go back. he was kind of learning on the job I. mean he was good at it in the beginning. but he became the Bruce Buffer that we. see now like he was not that intense in. the early days he just sort of did it. like a regular guy like a regular. announcer but then as time went on he. just [ __ ] ramped up the intent and. he's such a fan I mean that dude [ __ ]. loves the fights like I'll I'll meet him. backstage and he was like what do you. think what do you think about this what.

do you think about that card and we'll. start going over the cards like what do. you think about that one whoa this is. exciting this is exciting and then you. see it in his [ __ ] face when he's out. there you know when he's when he when. he's right in front of him. holy [ __ ]. yeah you're in for it this weekend oh my. God I'm so excited I know and all the. things I do man I do a lot of fun things. but doing commentary for the UFC is one. of the most [ __ ] exciting things a.

person could ever do yeah it's just you. just get it's I feel so honored and so. privileged that I get to be a person. who's talking about this while people. are experiencing it and then I get to. just somehow or another accentuated or. give life to it or or give my thoughts. to it or or does it just express my. excitement and that it's contagious yeah. people feel it and feed off of it live. fights are insane too man like I get the. chills man when I'm like there and then.

it's the last fight and all everything. goes dark and then just the spotlight. the whole arena is dark and just the. spotlight are on the two fighters oh my. God what a moment what a moment what a. moment it gives me the chills every time. I remember when Sinead O'Connor sang. Conor McGregor's walkout song and the. the whole place went dark and then green. lights for Ireland and you just like. holy [ __ ] and just Goosebumps on top of. Goosebumps it was is this it.

look at this the green lights. dude this was so [ __ ] intense. which fight was this. this is Madison Square Garden Oh MGM. this is MGM. [Applause]. [Music]. [Applause].

[Music]. [Applause]. same. [Music]. [Applause]. what is this an Irish song yeah that's. what the foggy dude. oh. [Applause].

was this the Jose Aldo fight. [Applause]. [Music]. foreign. title. [Music].

[Applause]. there he is. he looks so different at 45. I know man. he was a skeleton. [Applause]. [Music]. yeah there was no one like Conor. McGregor at that time he talked about a. dude who [ __ ] was big for the weight. class yeah at 1 45 when he would weigh. in he would look like a dead man because.

that was the days when you had the real. weigh-in when the guy got out of scale. like you didn't have a chance to. rehydrate you actually out had to make. weight in front of the crowd so you. would see Connor and he looked like a. dead man he looked like a guy who'd been. in a concentration camp like he'd been. starving himself and then also the next. day but that was also the days of the IV. you were allowed to rehydrate official. broadcast they had the two. same same but better camera.

[Music]. while the world did gaze with deep. amazed at the Spirit. but yeah.

yeah you want to talk about a dude who. just eats pressure he was Fearless dude. that's like what separated Conor. McGregor that's why I don't know that. there will ever be anyone that's really. like him is because that dude was. walking the walk and he was Fearless man. like he was Fearless in the fights that. he would take I think when he fought. Chad what it was like short notice right. it was short notice and he had a [ __ ]. up knee his knee was really [ __ ] up he. really couldn't wrestle in that fight he. couldn't grapple even taking a fight. against Chad on short notice man Chad. Mendes was a freak he was a [ __ ] tank.

yeah he was a tank yeah he's fighting. bare Knuckles that's Eddie Alvarez I saw. that wild that's crazy I think that's. next weekend I think it's next weekend. the weekend after that it's soon it's. this month yes in Colorado's fighting. Mike Perry yep it's in Colorado I'm. gonna go yeah. what day is that April 29th what am I. doing. what is April 29th isn't there something. else going on that night isn't that also. the Toronto card.

is that the Toronto UFC card. no not Toronto but there is a UFC card. that night oh it's a fight fight night. oh it's a Fight Night bare knuckle seems. a little crazy I do bare knuckle if. you've got elbow though if you could. elbow I'd do bare knuckle I don't want. to just punch people and [ __ ] up my. hands you definitely would [ __ ] up your. hands if I get elbow people though I I. think I would like be able to handle it. I wonder why they don't allow that I. that always confused me too yeah.

they might as well that'd be awesome. imagine that'd be a cool sport just. punches and elbows punch oh my gosh yeah. well the really crazy striking sport is. left with have you ever seen one live. left way yeah no I saw one live they had. it in Wyoming I like went up it was like. the last one dude's head button each. other was David Leduc there did he fight. there uh is he like a he's the top guy. he's he's a [ __ ] sad uh I want to say. it was one of the top guys is he like a.

bald white dude yeah I think so bald. skinny white dude yeah yeah that guy's a. [ __ ] Savage he was in the back. warming up head Bud yeah he had butts. pads yeah he incorporates head butts. into his Pad work. I mean it I I don't see I mean why. wouldn't you be allowed to headbutt why. wouldn't you be alone I mean Mark you. can do way worse [ __ ] Mark Coleman when. he was the [ __ ] king would take guys. down get him in their guard and headbutt. the [ __ ] out of them dude that was a big. part of his strategies beating the [ __ ]. out of you when you're on the ground. including head butts oh my God that. would be awesome yeah that would be.

pretty awesome I think it should be. allowed why not I don't understand why. it isn't and I also think that you. should be able to knee a downed opponent. in the head I do too especially when. someone's in a turtle position like if. they shoot for a shot and they sprawl. and you know you're sitting there why. can't you knee them because their knees. are on the ground seriously it makes. zero sense why uh what do you think. about uh Soccer Kicks so I think Soccer. Kicks should be legal I do too you. should figure out a way to not get. soccer kicked yep I agree and if the. referee thinks that someone is. compromised and they're going to get. soccer kicked they want to stop the.

fight stop the fight before that happens. but if you see what they're doing in one. FC where they allow those Soccer Kicks. it's a big factor and it's a real factor. in real fighting and this is supposed to. be the sport of real fighting yeah I. think the only argument against it is. the cage because the cage prevents a guy. from moving because you're pressed there. and then you get stomped or soccer. kicked and there's really no way to get. out of that I feel like if you wanted to. have Soccer Kicks and Stomps you really. should have an open arena which I've. been a supporter of anyway I think cages.

get in the way of the view it's a it's a. factor in the fight it allows guys to. get up where they ordinarily wouldn't be. able to there's a lot of things that. happen with the Octagon I know the. octagon's iconic and I know like people. love it but. it doesn't really help the fight how big. would you make the arena I'd make it. like a basketball court. that would be awesome if you can fight. if you can have basketball in a. basketball court and these guys are all. running around and doing I mean there's. so much room for these guys to run why. can't you have a place where you have a.

center where you're supposed to compete. in and you have a red line that's a. considerable size that if it gets too. far over that you have to come back in. that would be awesome I think it's. better we should start our own promotion. that would be [ __ ] boxing with elbows. in an arena well if UFC was going to do. anything I would want them to do. kickboxing because I think that is the. untapped thing I know they're all high. on this lap boxing thing the slap. fighting thing and I know that that gets. a lot of money and a lot of people love. it and watch it on Tick Tock that's. great but if you really wanted to have.

another thing that that has the. potential to be gigantic I think it's. World Championship kickboxer I agree. with you the one in one it's awesome. it's awesome it's so awesome it's. awesome. there's so many good fights I love what. one's doing I love that they incorporate. grappling matches they have strict. grappling matches and then they have. these MMA fights and they have. kickboxing with little gloves it's. [ __ ] great yeah kickboxing with. little gloves is cool it is it's [ __ ]. great and they have they have Muay Thai.

and they have kickboxing they have. different rules for different kinds of. competitions they have over there and it. expresses all the different aspects of. martial arts yeah definitely yeah yeah. they should. that would be badass they should 100 do. that yeah it'd be super cool too to just. like see how people do in an MMA fight. and then have the same two fight and. then just a kickboxing fight you know oh. yeah I think people would love that dude. I I actually think that it's really sad. that the sport of kickboxing isn't a lot. bigger than what it is right now I think. it's sad because it's such a beautiful. art it's the best I love it I love.

watching it I mean look I'm a fan of all. Combat Sports I love Jiu Jitsu I love. kickboxing but I think that's the one. thing that's untapped because it's the. one of the most exciting aspects of MMA. and it's not an individual sport that of. note dude imagine getting sanchai in a. UFC fight with just small gloves oh my. God against that the wrestling the way. they do the NCAA Wrestling yeah what I. don't like is the the drop off see the. drop-off is dangerous yeah and I watched.

uh Ben askren when he uh wrestled Jordan. Peters or Jordan Burroughs rather and. Jordan took them over the top I'm like. that's not you can get her back yeah on. the ground then what's that or if they. just like didn't have it right yes. that's exactly what I mean have it on. the ground and have a space that's even. a little bit larger than that and have a. red area on the outside that's probably. double the size of that outer black area. where you cannot like when you get into. that area there's plenty of room to make. your way back in but the referee makes. you get back in and you have to fight in. the center and you know have it so that.

you have to chase a guy down you mean. you know and people will boo but guess. what when you get a takedown in that. environment it's a real takedown and. when you get back up you're really going. to have to get back up you can't wall. walk you can't make your way up to the. side of the cage and press your back up. against it and and you know and stand. back up what do you think about no. rounds I like that I like that too I. like that a lot I think it'd be like you. know maybe like uh you can still do. rounds but what if we started rounds. where the last round ended. that'd be cool I think why not you know.

almost like a half time you know like. you still get the same amount of points. but now it's just second half but like. if you end up on bottom at the end of. the first round then you start on bottom. in the beginning of the second that's. not a bad idea that'd be cool that's not. a bad idea at all I mean I think you. know chaelson said it best he said no. one should be fighting for 25 minutes. it's just so hard it's so grueling for. you that no one can fight full blast as. at you know so you have to pace yourself. you have to figure it out it's just.

you're asking so much of a body to be. able to do that I can't move after. what's it like the next day I literally. can't move like uh even in the last one. where I didn't even take a ton of damage. like I'm literally in bed then my entire. body is sore like I'm sore in weird. places that I had no idea that I had. gotten hit. and I literally like when I tried to. move like I'll sit there with my ankles. up because my ankles always get really. swollen because I kick knees all the. time but I'll sit there with my legs up. and like to move over and roll over and.

go to the bathroom or whatever is like. for like an entire day and then it's a. little better the next day and then kind. of Gone by the third day but the next. day is horrible does anything mitigated. ice baths or anything I take ice bass uh. and I do the hot tub like for the like. day after the next day after and the. next day after just like flush it all. out because there's so much swelling. that's going on what's the most. significant injury you've ever had. I don't really get super hurt man like.

uh yeah I really don't uh I tore my. pectoral one time uh I broke this thumb. but other than that man not too many. like serious things I I uh I was told by. a couple people that or by my PT that I. have like some of the thickest. cheekbones that he's ever seen and then. the dentist told me that I have. something like the thickest enamel or. whatever it is around my teeth so I. think I have like I know I'm skinny and. lanky but I think I have like some. pretty. hard ass bones like I really I don't.

like break stuff that's very beneficial. yeah yeah I mean so many fighters that. go through their career and they get. marred with injuries and they have. injury after injury and they either they. push through it or they never quite. recover and you see the drop off in. their performance they're never quite. the same I super take care of myself. though like uh that's like uh that's. like another thing that I think I do. really really well is like. step a is like get better but like. slightly underneath that is like don't.

get hurt because if you get hurt you. can't do anything for like weeks or. months yeah yeah yeah the the scariest. injury to me in MMA is the shin break. yeah that's a wild one man we've seen. that three or four times now and every. time you see it the guy's really never. the same again and the Conor one is. fascinating to me because we haven't. seen I've seen him sparring and it looks. like he's like using that left leg and. throwing kicks and everything but how is. that going to hold up in an actual fight. yeah I hear that they heal pretty.

decently but who knows look at Chris. Weidman he's still [ __ ] it's been two. years I mean he had real problems with. that he had to get it reset because the. bones weren't they weren't healing. together properly. it's a it's a [ __ ] nightmare it's a. real sport you know like that that's. what I uh I was talking to my buddy the. other day I go you know because a lot of. it's about the entertainment piece and. you know talking [ __ ] and all of the. interviews leading up to it or whatever.

which I don't always enjoy the most but. I like was saying I was like once we're. in the cage there's no more. entertainment show happening like it's a. fight at that point and like it feels. like it's real as hell you know it's as. real as it gets I mean I know that used. to be the UFC logo as real as it gets oh. cool that was the the catchphrase but it. is as real as it gets yeah with the. given set of rules that you know it's. the best set of rules that we have for. Combat Sports I don't think what we were. talking about before the knees on the. ground I think is huge because I think. you shouldn't just be able to Turtle up.

like that it doesn't make any sense it. doesn't make any sense that all you can. do is punch them to the body or kick. them to the body or you know take their. back you should be able to name in the. head and he saw it in Pride when you. know Mark Coleman did that a bunch of. times when he got guys down he just. dropped knees on their heads yeah you. know Ben askren did that in one when he. competed in one it was a market change. because now he's allowed to use not just. takedowns but knee guys in the head when. he had them taken down brutal yeah it. should be allowed should be allowed it's. a figure out how to not have that happen. to you I mean it's just one more thing. to defend against and I think we're kind.

of allowing because of the rule set. right now we're allowing these positions. where you're it's it's unrealistically. safe you're not really safe there at all. you're in a very vulnerable position but. because of the rule set you can pull. that off and you can actually use it as. a strategy to stay in that position. while the guy has to do something. different yeah how do you feel about. punching in the back of the head I. definitely don't think that that should. be allowed we talked about that recently. but because I think why not because some.

Knockouts are from the back of the head. like head kicks like say if like Wonder. Boy loves to throw that over the. shoulder like sneaky kind of question. mark style kick when you do that you're. hitting the guy in the back of the head. you know many times you know a lot of. the the head kicks it wraps around and. you're really Shinning the person on the. back of the head yeah I guess I would. have to know like this science of like. the denseness or the skull behind what. about the temple though yeah good point. Temple's like the [ __ ] most. vulnerable area of your skull it's so.

thin you look at us if you hold us this. is not a real skull but this area is. like it's so [ __ ] vulnerable your. temple like I would not want to get hit. here man this is a it's such a [ __ ] ass. part of your head like it hurts just. poking it right poke your temple that. hurts why do we have those I don't know. why don't we just have a lot of our. balls hanging out you know it's like so. much of the design of it. maybe right I think it's actually a. cooling thing I think it's supposed to. be uh to keep your balls uh cooler so.

that you have more sperm because one of. the things that really affects sperm. growth and development is heat yeah so. like if you had your balls inside your. body all protected and you were hot from. running or something like that you. probably have bad jizz. you want to make babies you got to have. cool balls so I guess it's something. about the balls being outside the body. where it's not as dependent upon the. heat of the body I don't know great job. evolution.

yeah a lot of wacky stuff why are. eyeballs so vulnerable you know oh. that's another thing that's going on. this weekend is UFC is debuting a new. set of gloves oh cool yeah um I have. maintained and I still do that uh Trevor. Whitman makes the [ __ ] best MMA. gloves that have ever existed and I. think that everybody should use those. gloves are those I put those Onyx gloves. on before they make your hand completely. curved they still allow grappling but it. keeps your hand like this where you. don't have as many eye pokes nice and. these new gloves there's a video of. Gilbert Burns uh explaining it and.

Gilbert is showing let's see what we go. here let's put this those are them yeah. I don't see but it's not. you kind of make it. your fingers go down so unless I poke I. like it see my hands are relaxed it goes. here it doesn't stay here oh that's. smart way better for no no I poke I like. I like these new gloves so this is a new. one so hopefully that's going to make a. difference. um I think that's uh been a thing that a. lot of people have complained about is. that the old UFC gloves they encourage.

your hands to be in an open position and. when guys are fighting like this and. they run like eye pokes are one of the. worst [ __ ] things about sport I. scratch my eye almost every fight really. almost every single fight I I have like. a. so I got that PRK surgery it's like. Lasik it's except they like seal up I. got it like six seven years ago or. whatever and still if I get hit right in. the eye or even like a digit goes in my. eye even a little bit the rest of my. night is ruined because I'm like sitting. there all night going like this it.

happens after almost every single fight. you ever scratched your eye yeah it's. the worst pain that I've ever felt in my. life it's horrible it's horrible I. remember one time I did it because it. used to happen all the time for me like. I don't know if I would re-get PRK. surgery it doesn't happen anymore really. only in fights but uh one time it. happened and I like remember being on. the couch I had to call my mom to come. pick me up to take me to the hospital. because I thought it was like really. messed up and the next day my body hurt. because I was doing this just for hours.

for hours I was doing that it hurts so. bad Jim Miller apparently you talk about. a durable guy that's another guy that's. never had an injury a real injury which. is crazy because all the [ __ ] Wars. that guy's been in but he got poked real. bad and his last fight and he's got some. sort of a cataract now and he's trying. to figure out whether or not he should. keep competing or get surgery on the eye. we should wear swim goggles. that'd be crazy it would be crazy that. would be ridiculous it would be. ridiculous it would solve the problem I.

guess but is there a way to put swim. goggles on where they wouldn't get. fogged up and wouldn't get that would. hurt worse what about blood what about. like if somebody gets a cut in their. forehead they're on top of you ground. pound they just bleeding on your all. your goggles and then you get up you. can't see and you wipe it away but. you're smeared now you're looking at. like a [ __ ] dirty windshield have you. seen that fight where uh I get armbarred. by Yuri. um you gotta see it man you haven't seen. that fight I probably it was early in my. career it was like my second fight in. the UFC or something it's one of the.

fights that I feel like I'm kind of that. I'm kind of known for a little bit but. Yuri gets me in like a really bad arm. bar and I'm like triangled he's. straightening out my arm I remember yeah. yeah uh so this is like early in my. career I even look kind of like a young. dude but dude so he starts hitting me or. whatever and blood uh pretty soon yep. there yep he's just hammering my face. but dude so the Blood starts going into. my eye so like this situation just gets. a hundred times worse because now I'm. just having like this pink fog in my eye.

oh wow it was horrible. people forgot about Yuri dude Yuri was a. beast was a beast dude when I fought him. he had 20 UFC fights I remember this. because you got out of this. and it was wild. yeah but all of this Blood I can't see. anything because all of the blood is. still in my eye it was crazy but when. you did get out of it I remember. thinking oh [ __ ] I was so mad. I was so mad I was like I'm gonna. [ __ ] kill this guy the whole time I. was like when I get a [ __ ] out of. this it was like a little brother that. like had me in like a thing and I was.

like you [ __ ] when I get out of. this I'm gonna beat your ass so bad. how bad was your arm uh it was pretty. hurt uh it wasn't like uh broken or. anything but I had bruising from the. wrist all the way up so I definitely. tore some stuff. did you have to take much time off after. that to heal it up uh like a few weeks. the elbows here really quick actually. like I've never hurt my elbow so bad. where I've had to take more than like. six weeks off there's some arm bar. finishes in the UFC where you just go oh. you've got like like uh Jamal uh Jamal.

Hill when he fought um Paul Craig Paul. Craig dislocated his we were sure it was. broken we sure he snapped it I mean. probably some bones chipped off Craig. has a [ __ ] of a guard that's the. dude with the beard yeah yeah he's a. bear Jew he calls himself a bear Jew. which is one of the greatest nicknames. ever but that guy's got a [ __ ] Wicked. Guard man his guard is so dangerous yeah. you know he catches people with that. [ __ ] guard where you're like God damn. it's like a world-class Jiu Jitsu guard.

so Mission artists are awesome they're. like just as cool as KO artists oh for. sure yeah if you get a real elite one. that can pull stuff like that off you. know I mean look how many times Charles. Oliveira submitted people it's like so. intense that guy gets like some juice. behind his finishes too that guy knows. how to make himself powerful he's a. fascinating guy because you want to talk. about a guy who like completely. transformed like in the early days of. his career he was talented but when. things got hard he would kind of fold. and something happened and I think they.

attributed to the birth of his daughter. that he just became just far more. serious and far more intense and just. like really believed that he was a. [ __ ] man and then went on this tear. just a [ __ ] tear running through guys. that happens man like I really think. that like uh a lot of stuff in life is. just making like the decision to do it. like once you fully commit to the. decision to do something that can change. your life man yeah and I think that. that's what he did it changed him too it.

changed his perception the people's. perceptions of him because people have. this idea of who he was and then once he. beat like gaichi and he beat all these. other no one had that perception anymore. once he beat Chandler everybody was like. this guy is a [ __ ] and it was. you watched it all it wasn't like he had. those fights overseas and other. organizations and then he figured it out. no he did it in the biggest stage of the. world and made that transformation from. getting ko'd by Cub Swanson getting beat.

up by Paul Felder and then all of a. sudden this guy [ __ ] hits a switch. and he's a he's a destroyer one of the. greatest champions ever I really think. it's like sometimes you just make a. decision yeah you know you're like [ __ ]. second place for now on [ __ ] second. place do you ever worry that you won't. know that you don't have the same. commitment that you have now uh yeah I I. do. um so uh I used to train with Andy Sauer.

a bit in in Holland like uh when I was. 22 23 I went out there and um I remember. talking to him about that and he was. like. the passion sometimes it's there. sometimes it's not like I. I sometimes fight for paychecks you know. and I remember at like 22 that was like. such a thing for me to hear you know. because I was like. Andy Sauer was like my idol you know and. I love Andy and I don't mean to tell. that in a way where like it's just that. offends him it is kind of a reality you.

know he's a great fighter great fighter. and then so I remember like hearing that. and I remember being like Oh that's a. possibility you know like you just run. out of like the competitive juice like. yeah that does scare me I I don't I. don't know that I'll do it past that. unless I'm making like millions and. millions of dollars and I'll maybe like. look past that right if something crazy. comes along yeah yeah I I worry about. that because I see it in certain. Fighters I see Fighters that are in. contention for the title and they just.

have this certain type of drive and then. you see a few losses and then you see. them competing and maybe they just don't. look as hard like their body looks. different and then their their endurance. is not the same and you realize this. guy's kind of phoning it in and he was a. world-class fighter at one point I know. it's kind of a sad thing to see too it. is I uh yeah I really hope to never have. to be that way you know maybe it'll. happen maybe it won't I don't know it's. a sad thing to see Champions when their.

body is not working right anymore but. they think they're going to be able to. pull that magic out I know it just. doesn't exist anymore who I think it's. like it's probably their loved ones on. it's like on those people to tell them. to stop huh I mean because as like a. fighter I don't really know that it. would. I don't know if it'd be on me to tell me. to stop you know like just being the. fighter that like being the person that. you got to be to be a fighter that. really shouldn't ever cross your brain. right so you probably have to have loved.

ones around you to be like hey man like. we're calling it I think there's that. and then there's also the issue that for. many fighters that is their entire. identity their entire identity is that. they're a fighter and losing that. identity by becoming a former fighter. and now being lost in the world and not. knowing what direction to take or what. to do with yourself it's one of the. hardest transitions because fighting is. so all in it's so all-encompassing and. so obsessive that once that's gone for. from your life unless you're teaching.

unless you're running an academy or. running a gym or you know working with. younger fighters it's hard to find. something that will occupy your thoughts. in the way that competing does yeah. definitely I I was talking with someone. last week just small talking with them I. was with my fiance he goes so what do. you guys like do for fun and I kind of. like look at Erica and I'm like the [ __ ]. do we do for fun you know like I don't. know we don't do anything we watch Trash. television and then in the summer I'll. play spike ball you know that's about it.

but the identity thing is all always. something that I think is really. interesting to me like um. like uh just The Human Experience and. trying to like create this like Identity. or latch onto some type of identity to. me is like one of the things that uh. humans I think need to dig really deep. to try to overcome I think that that's. like a piece of why we're here is to. overcome like just latching on to an. identity and rocking with that for your. entire life you know like that's like uh.

that's something I feel like I had to do. a lot you know coming up in the sport. and just being like okay like you're not. a fighter you know like you are a. fighter but only sometimes you're like. really what you are is this like other. thing but fighter is just like a piece. of it you know it's a human you're a. human yeah and the fighting thing the. thing the thing about identities is that. they can be a trap like you could just. like lean into that and use that like to. sort of protect you from the just the. weirdness of life like just the just the.

uncertainty the the the just the. existence so instead you're like damn. that [ __ ] Aroma this some of. that and and you live in that and then. when that gets shattered you're kind of. [ __ ] because if that gets questioned. in a fight if you lose your confidence. in that in a fight and that's the thing. that you're banking on instead of just. existing and trying to make adjustments. now you're questioning like oh my God. and do I suck oh my God what do I do who. am I I've been pretending that I'm this. thing and now I'm getting my ass kicked.

yeah how do I recover from this yeah. like the the the pull to like organize. life in a way is you know something that. we all kind of have to like do or deal. with or whatever but it feels better. when things are organized you know and. uh and and when we have reasons for. things when I actually lost my first. fight that was when I really started. getting into Buddhism was after I lost. my first professional fight who was that. to uh it was against Jamal emmers. um it was for LFA or RFA or whatever it.

was called at the time but uh I remember. being like uh oh [ __ ] what am I if I'm. not like a this badass fighter that. everyone's telling me if I win I'm gonna. be in the UFC and I'm going to be champ. and blah blah like that like shattered. my identity man it like really [ __ ] me. up for like. the rest of that year like six or eight. months I spent a ton of time in the. mountains like hiking and camping and. like that's when I started meditating. and I started getting into Buddhism. because Buddhism is really about like. letting go of all your attachments and.

that means like letting go of like the. physical stuff but also like the mental. creation of whatever Persona you're. putting on in your life and stuff and uh. the mountains helped me do that they. like assisted in all of that but uh the. the battle with identity I feel like I. have like a pretty close intimate. relationship with because it's a son of. a [ __ ] to try to let go of all of that. stuff but you kind of have to I think at. some point in your life if you want to. really start being and expressing. yourself the way that you want to well I. think that's what's interesting about. this conversation is that you have done. so much of this work and you have done.

so much of this thinking about what that. is and how that aids you and how that. hurts you and and how it gets in the way. yeah. um I think that you just have to do it. at some point in your life like uh. that's even like I think one of the. steps in like I follow Carl Young like. kind close he's like a little bit too. dense for me to like fully understand. but a part of like becoming individuated. or becoming like enlightened or whatever. word you want to use for it is Letting. Go all that [ __ ] that like you learned.

when you were younger because like none. of that was really you those were just. things that you got indoctrinated into. and like a part of I think the Human. Experience and the human Journey needs. to be. Letting Go all of that stuff and like. letting go all of that stuff really. hurts you know yeah just letting go of. these preconceived notions. and but the the unease of uncertainty. just haunts people and you try to find. these these ways of being that protect.

you from that this uh personality that. you put on that's like an armor that. protects you from from uncertainty yeah. it gives you a community it gives you. like other people that you feel like you. can like walk through this thing with. you know but at the end of the day it's. kind of like just you and I think that. like. it's only you that can like figure out. your [ __ ] can't be like a community of. people that you're just gonna identify. with so that like things run a little. bit smoother you know I don't really. think you'll become like a full person.

how much do you think it helps your. career that you teach uh. a ton uh I've been teaching for a really. long time now though. um and I've kind of had to pull back a. little bit because I realized how much. of a commitment it is to have Fighters. underneath you you know like it's not. easy trying to make someone good so I've. had to pull back on it a little bit. honestly what's helped me a lot recently. become really good uh and like really a. lot deeply understand things as I've.

been writing out those instructionals. uh and like that's helped me a lot just. like organize the things that I'm doing. and like not like rules because rules. can always be broken when I think that. you're at a certain level but like man. right now writing [ __ ] out like how. things work really really has helped me. a ton. it's interesting because in Jiu Jitsu. you see that a lot where people start. teaching and when they start teaching. they get way better mm-hmm. yeah I think I I so I have this guy uh.

he's he's almost like a little brother I. don't even or like a kid to me his name. is Elias Rodriguez but he's like one of. my main drilling Partners he's his 21. year old kid I care about him deeply but. I'm helping him go through his amateur. years right now and uh it's crazy how. much like me helping him is him helping. me because I get to watch like I said. like I like watching people and I like. watching people in stressful situations. because I like to see how they act. like I help Elias and that like has made.

me better understand things and all of. that but also Elias is helping me a lot. by me like seeing one if like the things. that I'm teaching him is like working in. like all types of uh bodies you know. like I feel like if you have a really. true and tried system it's going to work. for everyone. to an extent but uh like just watching. Elias go through everything is like. really helping me understand the sport a. lot better too and that's kind of like. because I'm helping him he's able to do.

that for me but uh yeah that's been a. really really helpful thing like the. instruction piece I feel like I've been. doing for so long so I can like kind of. teach some people some stuff fairly well. now but uh. like bringing up a fighter has taught me. a lot about being a fighter myself and. and all of that. so you have this big win over Marlon. what happens next how long do you does. the UFC contact you immediately do you.

start talking to them about what's next. does it wait on the Henry sahudo. algerman fight I think it kind of does I. think so. I'm pretty sure O'Malley was promised. like a title fight after the cejudo. Sterling I don't know when that's gonna. be I think that you know ideally the UFC. will want to do it pretty soon like. maybe July August soon like not give not. give whoever wins that too much of a. break. um barab is still there. I would love to fight marab I think that.

that would be like an amazing challenge. for me. um there's also. Umar nurmaga medov who said that he was. gonna be fighting against marab I don't. know how much truth there is to that but. I know that the UFC I think is pretty. high on Umar he's a bad [ __ ] he. is he's very good. um so it could be one of those guys but. I would I would ideally like to fight in. July or August like I said I get married. September 1st and I like. may you know like Erica would understand. if I had to be in Camp for the wedding.

but that would like really break her. heart kind of so I really want to I. don't even care if it's a week before. and I don't even think she cares if it's. a week before if I fight but uh I would. really like to fight before September. 1st so that Erica doesn't kill me well. the July card is going to be wild that's. going to be a good one and I don't know. who's on that yet I don't know if they. have an announcement for that but they. always do a big card volkanovsky yair. Rodriguez unification about targeted for. July whoa that's a good one that is a.

great that's a good one oh my goodness. yeah you look great against damn it [ __ ]. yeah he did he did great I mean and Volk. looked really great against Islam too it. really did yeah but Vulcan 145 what a. [ __ ] Juggernaut seriously yeah I am. so impressed with that guy I was so. impressed in that market I can't believe. how well he did I thought he won. I thought he did too I thought it was. all about the second round I thought he. edged him in the second round and I. thought that the way he performed in the. fifth round I think that should have. cemented it yeah yeah I was really.

impressed because I I think that the. those like Russian guys are obviously. really good wrestlers like definitely. world-class wrestlers but I think what. they were doing before a lot of the. other people in the UFC is some people. could get people down but they couldn't. really hold them and like those guys. know how to hold people down and I think. that that's like the most fascinating. thing to me about the Russians is that. you know like the wrestling piece. there's a lot of good American wrestlers. too but the Russians really know how to. hold people down and that was like what. what I think separates them from like. the normal wrestler Grappler archetype.

but uh dude the way volkanovsky was. getting up against him was fantastic. incredible it was amazing yeah amazing. especially being down away class usually. I was kind of surprised they didn't have. a rematch I mean I know he wanted to. defend his title and Yari Rodriguez. obviously he won the interim title so he. should get the next shot but it was such. a big fight and such an insane fight I. would kind of like to see that again oh. definitely yeah yeah it makes sense well. Corey you're a bad [ __ ] I. appreciate you very much and I really.

love your mindset and the way you. approach things and it's really fun to. watch you just keep getting better and. and make your way to the top hell yeah. thanks Joe thanks appreciate y'all man I. appreciate you uh tell everybody your. Instagram and all that stuff so they can. find you uh Corey sandhagen MMA on. Instagram I don't use Twitter ever so uh. yep just Instagram all right. everybody. [Applause]. [Music]. [Applause].

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