JRE MMA Show #135 with Paul Felder

[Music]. by night. Paul Felder ladies and gentlemen how are. you sir I'm good man thanks for having. me dude my pleasure yeah you I I love. what you've done because uh I think. every professional athlete every fighter. when you're done competition you need. something to drive you and you decided. to go into triathlons which I think is.

[ __ ] awesome yeah. um and I kind of. I stumbled upon I didn't have any idea. what I was going to do when it was all. said and done I thought you know I'll be. like everybody else I'll do grappling. competitions I'll hit pads I'll I'll. stay active but. that's still not the same as getting. into the cage and actually fighting. somebody. and I stumbled upon this guy Lionel. Sanders is who I kind of found on. YouTube just looking up run workouts. because I was getting bored during the. pandemic you know I was going outside I.

was going for these runs and they were. getting boring you just run my I was. like how do guys do this he's just. running to run all the time and like. there's no there's no structure or. anything and I found one of his workouts. in Arizona where he was running it was. like 107 degrees and he's doing like. crazy Tempo workouts and. I was like oh my God what's a Tempo. workout so like all your runs kind of. break down in the you know you have your. easy miles aerobic right and then you. have where you kind of go a little bit. you're not quite going as hard as you're.

going to go for a race and that's like. Tempo so you're upping your heart rate. into that kind of zone three area where. you're keeping it right there you're not. going threshold which you know kind of. just below all out. um and he was doing that it was like a. hundred and something degrees and I was. like this dude's out of his [ __ ] mind. and I started following all this stuff. and then I started realizing how crazy. this sport is if you really watch these. guys I mean they're freak athletes these. guys Plus. MMA right you wrestling Jiu Jitsu. kickboxing boxing traditional martial.

arts well now I found this other sport. that's totally new to me that I know. nothing about that I can dive into and. it's all these different disciplines so. I can be an idiot all over again and not. just pick one sport I can do all three. of these things and I didn't even know. how to swim. yeah I grew up in South Philly told me. oh bro I swam with below if I don't know. how to swim ball super doesn't know how. to swim. he sucks but he does it just like. anything he gets in there and does it. I've swam with him he's he's done a.

triathlon well really yeah he did it on. like a borrowed bike a borrowed wetsuit. which was like a surfing wetsuit like. not not where you would go and swim in. you know cold water with for you know. having any flexibility in your shoulders. but. yeah so these triathlons like how how. long does it take to complete one of. those well it depends there's. Sprint distance which is a really short. one I mean you can do those the guys are. doing those like you know under an hour.

um like 45 minutes 30 minutes you can do. some of them it's like a quarter of a. mile swim it'll be like a a 10 mile bike. and then I think a 5K and you always. it's always Swim Bike Run Swim Bike Run. unless you're doing like super league. stuff which is this this other. organization that's now kind of mixing. up the order of which they'll do things. a lot of these races they'll do Swim. Bike runs Swim Bike Run Swim Bike Run so. these dudes are literally and women are.

tucking their caps and their goggles and. stuff while they're riding on the bike. and stuff like that and then they pull. it back out as they're sprinting to the. water putting their cap back on their. goggles and diving in after having just. run you know probably like sub five. minute miles diving back into the water. to not be able to breathe correctly. she's the scariest thing at all but the. ones I do the most are 70.3s so it's. like the half Ironman distance. so it's 70.3 miles it's 1.2 mile swim 56.

mile bike and then a half marathon. and I started with that like an absolute. jabroni that I am everybody's like do a. Sprint do an Olympic. I was like no I want to do this one and. I did and oh my God oh my god well I. remember the first time I saw you when. we're getting ready for a show we were. in The Green Room oh yeah changed I. remember this what are you doing I'm. like you look like [ __ ] I'm like are you. on Adderall or something like a. crackhead you look like a crackhead you.

were so sucked in because I just I had. just done that race so when you saw me I. was still trying to even like days ago I. had done that race and uh it's like. cutting weight [ __ ] 20 pounds running. one of those and doing the swim and. doing the bike you probably lose about. 10 and that's with. hydration hydrating the whole time yeah. and so how far are you going to try to. push this. well. to the absolute. limits of being an amateur because I'll.

never be I mean these guys Joe that do. it pro I mean I don't believe you I. don't believe you I would like to do it. you're a psycho yeah but I don't even. want to say that I feel like it's. disrespectful to the guys that I know. that are pro and how how fast they are. to say that yet. all I want to say now is I I want to do. it and be I want to win age groups right. and my age group you know 35 to 39 is. these dudes are fast because they a lot. of them come from a Collegiate.

background of some sort of whether it be. swimming cross-country track and then. same as me coming from MMA they they. don't have that anymore and they find. triathlon but they at least have the. base of an endurance sport whereas MMA. is not as much as we want to say you. have to have great endurance and you do. which most guides still seem to don't. understand that but it's not the same. like 25 minutes is the longest fight. that we could possibly have right that's. the swim but when you have a guy who has.

great endurance they have such an. advantage like Nick Diaz in his prime. would put a pace on people that they. could not [ __ ] keep up with I. remember when Nick Diaz was at his Peak. when he was in Strike Force when he was. a champ over there. you remember those days dude he was put. in a [ __ ] pace and he would get his. ass beat for the first. five ten minutes he would force a slug. Fest so someone would try to go all out. yeah and he would be hitting them like.

50 60 percent and then every now and. then he'd dig every now the body in. particular yeah like that Paul Daley I. think I never freaked that one fight I'm. like oh he's dead he's done Haley has. the most ridiculous left hand I think. I've ever seen in the business yeah he. is so and he's so skillful so so slick. in his maneuvering and like the way he. sets up uppercuts and hooks yeah his. [ __ ] left hand is a weapon man and he. bombed on whoa crushed him I thought he.

was done and he just did what the Diaz. brothers do they take that [ __ ] it's. crazy. come on yeah crazy how they take it and. that's gotta. like that demoralizes you man like. you're in a [ __ ] you're in a cage fight. with all these people watching and you. got this crazy son of a [ __ ] going come. on yeah and that's all you got again. yeah and you're known for knocking dudes. out like that you just in your heart. immediately you just [ __ ] you [ __ ] it. out you're like oh my God yeah I don't. want him which is uh credit to Josh. Thompson because Josh Thompson is the.

only guy to ever stopped really looking. right upside that head that's. legitimately stopped Nate Diaz yeah. legitimately stopped him that [ __ ] mean. but that's like okay the way he landed. it to it was so perfect yeah it was like. the perfect head and he was like bent. over yeah he was still an out still. wasn't out out crazy how tough those. guys are yeah I mean but I think a. factor a giant factor in uh especially. Nick's early success was cardio the. cardio yeah and he's known for doing a. lot of like long runs and he does.

and they do I know even just recently a. guy uh this kid Justin that I trained. with did. Xterra he did an exterior race with him. so that it's more like um mountain. biking it trail running as opposed to. you know the TT bike out on on a highway. type you know the the waters are a. little bit more rugged it'll be a little. bit colder crazier areas that you're. racing in so it's a little more like. Wilderness type racing but it's still. Triathlon still Swim Bike Run but the.

tree you know you'll be up and down. you'll be running through trails and. like through trees and over stuff like. that bear swimming away from sharks. don't don't talk about I was just in Rio. and I was swimming in the ocean every. day and I know everybody's like oh. there's no sharks there but are there. you can't help but when you're swimming. in the Open Water you kind of I had a. like a can of soda Brush by me at one. point and I almost pooped myself I swear. to God my friend Peter attia he swam.

um he swam all the Hawaiian Islands yeah. he did this crazy swim and he was. training for this in San Diego and I. think the weekend was training some guy. got eaten by a great white shark so he's. out there in the very Waters where a guy. got bit in half yeah and apparently they. were all training for a triathlon these. people that were doing it yeah so there. was like a run of them there was like. you know like 10 15 guys swimming and. just one of them. my first race this year is in Oceanside.

so where's Oceanside it's like outside. of San Diego oh Jesus oh Jesus okay. April April 1st oh my goodness ocean. ocean swim [ __ ] all that I was in Maui. um last November and. um a buddy of mine was just there this. past uh like Duncan was there like when. like two months ago and some lady was. snorkeling with her husband and the guy. pops his head up and they're screaming. at him from the shore get back in short.

and he looks over and there's all this. blood in the water and thrashing and he. gets as short he realizes his wife no. they never even found her. yeah well. because she's gone yeah. Drive oh God diver decapitated by. 19-foot great white shark in the Gulf of. California report says local divers have. been warned about the presence of sharks. in the area [ __ ] that does this just. happen yeah January 5th oh they paid him. extra money to go down because no one. would go get the mollusks so he went and.

didn't make it back out oh my mollusks. like what kind of mollusks they're like. and also I guess they're uh 20 meters. down or so 10 to 20 meters down so he. was down a pretty specifically so he was. down really low in a 19-foot shark. decapitated him 36 oh my God oh my God. [ __ ] that Paul Felder can't wait for. that swim and the best part is we wear. black wetsuits that make us look like.

big old seals flopping around and you. have to wear a black one can you wear. like a neon if you can find a yeah a. bright I don't know the sharks see and. do they see color though they probably. don't see [ __ ] black and white so that. pink one is white I guess to them yes I. don't know belly of something delicious. well there's there's thousands of us out. there so you just got to be lucky boy. he's got to be lucky. well I was I did a race in Florida and. there was 100 a gator. um off on the side that somebody sent me.

a picture thank God after the race. they're like oh by the way this was. sitting on the side of the lake that you. guys are swimming in just waiting for us. to finish if you're in Florida virtually. any body of water could happen alligator. 100 it could be like in a development. and there's like a little Pond and they. might just be like Oh I'm just gonna go. take a splash in here oh yeah I remember. like uh a year ago uh some old lady who. was uh walking in this beautiful gated. community in North Carolina and she got. snatched up yeah they'll eat dogs and. stuff like that oh yeah I used to live.

in Gainesville and when I lived there. um back then alligators were endangered. so you couldn't kill them so they were. everywhere and uh people would feed him. marshmallows it's a place called Lake. Alice we go to Lake Alice and throw. marshmallows I wonder why marshmallows. of all things. people just they found out they would. eat them so they'd throw them in you. know you'd throw some graham crackers at. them chicken too they eat meat whatever. the [ __ ] you wanted I would think I. would think yeah protein but they're. [ __ ] monsters I hate those things.

they really drive me crazy I mean. they're truly. you know a dinosaur basically it still. still lives yeah just a heartless. [ __ ] reptile just wants to rip your. leg off and not enroll I have there's a. video that I put up on my Instagram from. one of those like nature is brutal or oh. yeah Nature's metal pages and it's a uh. crocodile grabs this uh wild pig and. snaps it in half and it's got it by the.

the Jaws it just yeah just rinse it. straight off just with like a flick of a. snack I've seen one of those and dude. you see them. these guys still have the the they're so. stupid to oh I'm gonna put my hair put. your hand in there oh yeah it's going to. shred everything off of you if you can. yeah there's like sideshows that they do. where guys like touch the inside of the. crocodiles they screw up right because I. think that's what happens if you touch. their their tongue or something like. that because otherwise I don't think it.

even knows what you're doing it's just. waiting yeah and the guy's not paying. attention slips up oh see ya man look at. this guy. Florida man. oh God he lost his arm shares Survival. Story after alligator rips off arm he. gets lost in swamp for three days oh I. saw that guy now let's be fair he. doesn't look like. whatever's not much else yeah that mess. kept him alive through that entire. journey. to that one with no arm Florida man that.

might be just a cover story for some. [ __ ] crazy meth explosion yeah man a. gator got me. I swear to God I don't [ __ ] even. touch meth it was a no goddamn Gator God. damn Gators it's just uh. any sport that involves maybe getting. eaten yeah you're not going to get eaten. inside of the Octagon I mean it's. definitely a safe environment as far as. MMA you just got to deal with the other. Maniac in there that's trying to kill. you what what was the Catalyst for you.

deciding to retire because you retired. in like prime age like you were like how. old were you when you first decided I. guess when when I first said it after. the hooker fight I was I guess 37. yeah. so it's like at the end yeah but I. started late too. um. I didn't turn professional until I was. 28 I think wow what was your first uh. amateur fight I think I was like 20. 20 26 really yeah so when did you start.

training well so I did Taekwondo since I. was a little kid started 12 years old. doing that and competed Junior Olympics. Olympics you know wearing the hogoos and. all that kind of stuff did all the. traditional Taekwondo tournaments and I. used to get kicked out of some of these. things because I'd throw punches or I'd. throw too hard like I remember one time. my mom ended up getting into this huge. argument with this guy because I was. hitting her son too hard in a martial. arts competition oh.

dude and my mom is like the sweetest. woman in the world but as soon as. somebody talks ill of me or steps to me. my mom's ready to throw down she's the. one taught me how to fight man wow yeah. I got I got stories about Mom but. I did that all the way through until I. was in college. and you were then I went to acting. school yeah you were a theater major I. went to school for theater yeah and I. kind of stopped training hardcore but. still taught karate at the school that I. got my black belt at when I was a kid.

while while going to school in Philly. for acting I was still teaching the. little kids. and then I was working professionally in. like the Philadelphia theater scene. which isn't anything major but there's. some good professional theater companies. there I was doing that for a little. while and in the Summers the theaters. they're they're dark there's not much. going on and a buddy of mine that I used. to train with took an amateur fight. and I used to kind of get to better at. him and he went and did well on this. amateur fight down in uh down in.

Atlantic City New Breed fighting was. what it was called and I was like I. could I could do that so I waited a. whole year. did the next summer signed up for one of. those fights. and dude that was it that walk out the. crowd like all your friends and family. being there you're walking out to fight. somebody else I I remember having. migraines I remember like vomiting. afterwards I was so anxious so nervous. and I won. and I remember telling all my acting. friends at the time we were we were.

drinking in like the back of somebody's. uh like South Philly row home and. they're like that was crazy man are you. done and I was like [ __ ] no I was like I. have to do that again and I have to do. it better than I did that time and so a. year later I signed up for another one. following summer New Breed but I knew. what to do now so I trained properly I. went to a Muay Thai school to train for. it I did Jiu Jitsu for it and I beat the. crap out of this kid in my second fight. leg kicked the dog [ __ ] out of him and. it was a decision but I was like all.

right. that was cleaner then I did another one. and now I thought I was too cool for. school and I got choked out in my third. amateur fight got triangle choked by. this kid Max Bohannon who was like a. prodigy from um. he was from Ricardo while made his. school. and trained with him and he choked the. [ __ ] out of me. and then I was like okay now I gotta. start doing real grappling and real jiu. jitsu and I started training with Jiu. Jitsu schools and stuff like that and I. did one more amateur fight spinning back. kick to the liver I knocked this kid out.

in my fourth amateur fight and then I. went pro because the rules in PA shin. guards big huge puffy gloves two minute. rounds what the hell are you supposed to. do as a striker with two you're a. wrestler. you get one takedown you won around. that's it so when I turn pro I was like. okay. I'll do one profile. just to say I was a pro athlete you know. just to say that I did it honest to God. that's why I did it I was like I'm gonna. go back to acting and I was still doing. professional shows in between getting.

ready for fights. won the fight flying knee TKO the dude. they took him out on a stretcher it was. for cffc they had to stop the show. because they only had one ambulance oh. wow so the ambulance had to take the guy. and shout out to him to me good room. you're still the man but they took him. out and uh they had to wait for the. ambulance to come back so I'd I'd stop. the show in my first uh wow my first pro. fight one ambulance and it took him out.

and yeah they took him out on a. stretcher no but I mean one ambulance. yeah and they never did that again yeah. they never did that again I you know if. anything I I showed them you need to. have two ambulances at these things so. you get some fights in some small. organizations yeah and then how mainly. mainly cage Fury who uh you know. thank God that's that's kind of who I. stumbled upon so I was already kind of. with one of the better Regional. promotions to begin with I lucked out. with that I fought in Pittsburgh I think. once or twice and then um yeah and I.

fought for cffc and how many fights do. you have before you got into the UFC. I was eight no I was eight no one I got. when I got signed I uh. I think I had like. six Knockouts a bunch in the first round. and. that's when I started putting the acting. like way on the on the back burner I was. like wow I might actually be able to get. into the UFC. it was that that was never. you mean never the goal was was to get.

in the UFC from the beginning but then. once I started winning I always trained. my ass off you know just like I am with. Triathlon or whatever whether it be. acting whether it be fighting commentary. like I'm trying to. put myself into it and uh the wind. started coming and then I remember I. knocked out. um this kid in in Atlantic City in my. last fight with cff yeah spinning hook. kick.

I got more damage from The Ref throwing. me into the into the cage than I did in. that whole fight what did you wear here. that's 155 I was just smaller. you know years dude think about you like. you know how it is the years and years. of you doing strength and conditioning. and you building up those muscles and. your bones get denser and stuff like. that so I mean by the time I got to the. UFC Plus. the lightweights were so big I remember. thinking like I have to be I have to be. bigger than these guys and I had this. complex that I had to weigh so much so.

I'd go and get so fat in between fights. and I'm that's one regret I have looking. back I would have stayed leaner and in. better shape all year round and not done. the DraStic weight cuts that I did. um is that like the thing that you worry. the most about we were talking about. that earlier well I know for sure that. I've hurt my kidneys uh to the point. where even after fights like I've had. rhabdo after the Dan hooker fight I was. like peeing Coca-Cola and they made me.

stay in the hospital for like an extra. day or two to monitor my kidneys I. almost had um. I almost had compartment syndrome from. that fight they were going to have to. slice my calf open I've obviously lost a. piece of my lung in the James Vick fight. um how'd that happen at the end of the. fight. he knees me. and it pushed in my rib cage a lot of. people thought my rib cage broke it. didn't nothing broke. but I had a they call it like a bleb on. your lung that you would know you would.

only know about if somebody went in. there or. something happened to it so it's like a. bubble that naturally forms on your. lungs and it's it's okay unless. something hits it well that knee just so. happened to hit right on that spot and. it just so happened that I had this. thing on my lung and it burst whoa so it. it collapsed my lung. and since they collapsed that part of my. lung was then damaged and it wouldn't. normally if you like fall really hard.

doing snowboarding or something like. that or you know if you're rock climbing. you've Fallen you land on your your ribs. you can you can puncture them by. breaking your ribs or you can just the. impact can kind of almost like blow it. out. and a lot of times they'll go back on. their own like they'll they'll. re-inflate your your lungs will. kind of heal themselves or they put they. call it like a pigtail or something they. insert it this this tube down into my. lung which was like a vacuum it would. suck the air around my lung and my chest.

wall out forcing the lung to go back. around where it was supposed to. and that wouldn't work so like three. days went by they did that for a couple. days one work and then finally the. surgeons came in they're like we're. gonna have to go in. find where the bleb was cut it out. staple your lungs shut and then adhere. your lung to your chest wall so my left. lung is attached to my the inside of my.

chest wall. like an elephant apparently elephants. they're their lungs are actually. attached to the inside of their chest. wall so this long like if you stab me. here and it like I it would never fully. collapse again. wow. the superheroes change the way except. for the inch that I'm missing from it. does it change the way your body moves. do you feel it no I I will get a cramp. every now and then in the surgery area. that they have I still have a scar it.

goes right across like like Jesus like. where they. um it's like right along here. wow that was miserable dude that and. that was one that's one of the many. things I know we kind of went on a. tangent but. retirement was like I can't. I broke your forearm in the Mike Perry. from my forum and now when you guys. called that one nice you could tell by. the way I was I was holding my hand. funny and I remember in between rounds. going like this and I could feel the. bones crunching together on the side and. I told Duke I was like he's like I know. baby I know it's so common with the.

spinning back Fists. yeah so common you hit and then you know. what's Dumber is throwing it like eight. more times in the same fight and I. remember you and I think it was you and. Dom like oh God. stop throwing that arms so many people. have shattered their phone Dom had done. that in training really which is why. when he's calling with you he's he's. gone oh he knows exactly what it feels. like yeah. stupid man yeah spinning breakfast and.

catching that forearm to the forehead. right on the Forum just snaps in half I. mean it's such a obviously your forehead. is horrible freaking dance yeah you get. that you get a lot of breaks from uh. checking kicks incorrectly or blocking. kicks incorrectly I love that you know. what I regret never getting injury wise. I know it sounds silly to say but the. slices on the shin that you see all. these guys getting from checking kicks. and your shin is just like pouring blood. bro whose shins are harder than Jan.

behovich. then an Goliath fight he's just like. going Shin to Shin with him yeah like. holy [ __ ] man polish guys man but it's. him I don't know if it's all polish guys. but that [ __ ] is made out of. wood yeah he's different he met he just. went chin to Shin with him he doesn't. care yeah I mean that that was very very. impressive because we were like this is. crazy that hurts man yeah you've done. you've gone horrible and he's just. cracking him just getting in there with. it it's like you know baseball two.

baseball bats just. yeah and people I it's like you when you. see people kind of criticize ah the. light kicks are not that bad it's like. oh you don't know but you have no idea. anybody who says that let me kick you. just one time just let me kick you one. time one time I won't even do it all the. way no I'll take 20 yeah not even 20. imagine the calf kick give them give. them just 20 of a calf kick it's like do. you like walking I've only been calf. kicked [ __ ] around I've never never. kicked either in training or in a fight. because there was no calf kicks back.

then like Bisping told me when his. entire career without getting cash no of. course yeah it's just crazy the first. time that I had. actually. the first time I ever experienced it was. when I fought. um you remember Mark Stevens from The. Ultimate Fighter way back into that you. you he was on like team cost check I. fought him outside of the UFC before I. got in. and he was training down at ATT. and there those guys have been throwing. that calf kick for a long time and.

he was he probably landed about four or. five and I remember thinking like what. is he doing he's missing my thigh right. but then I remember like kind of moving. around in the second round like holy. [ __ ] this is cramping up really bad and. luck luckily I got him out of there but. that was the first and then Dan hooker. was the other time that I've really been. very good at it he's very good because. he just places it just touches you and. you're like oh that wasn't that hard. Benson Henderson was the first yeah he.

was the first guy that I ever saw using. would punch you in the thigh I don't. know how effective Anderson used to do. that too for [ __ ] around but but. Benson was the first guy that I ever saw. that like regularly threw calf kicks but. for whatever reason it didn't have the. kind of effect that you're seeing with. guys now or yeah I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's if they're placing. it more effectively on because where it. really hurts is like right next to your. shin bone um like that just all that the.

meat and the nerves that goes right. along your the bone so it looks like a. lot of times you'll hear guys oh nice. check it's like he didn't check that. because all it just has to touch that. muscle on the side of your shin bone so. it looks like you checked it yeah. well I think the casuals got woken up to. in the Dustin Poirier Conor McGregor. fight yeah in that fight where you just. see how he's just so compromised and. even fights where you don't think that a. guy's compromise like arasanya pajera. Israel said after the fight he's like.

you [ __ ] my leg up my legs you watch. it in the replay I didn't notice it even. because I was upstairs watching it and. then when they started showing the. highlights later on I was like well he. like went down from the one check too so. he checked it really weird and Well he. kind of got tripped over his foot and. then went down so we said oh he just. stumbled but it was really because his. leg wasn't working well already yeah. yeah it was the first round I went and. I've watched that fight several times. and apparently so has uh.

apparently he puts it on yeah. um I watched it again and it's that. first round that first round he [ __ ]. really chops at it he's got a very. strange style it's very uniquely potato. his yeah the stand-up style it's very. different like his hands he he stands. like this he's just freakishly long and. big for that weight class and his power. is preposterous you can you ever see. some of those guys like when you look at.

certain skinny guys and I'm not calling. him he's not like he's lean but he's. lean and he's tall and lean those guys. are the guys I worry about because it's. those guys that hit freakishly hard that. it's the the big muscle guys you know. that guy's gonna hit you hard but it's. these sneaky tall lean guys Tommy Hearns. looking yeah and they just they when. they turn into those hooks he's left. hook so much torque and leverage his. [ __ ] left hook is a thing of beauty. man it really is. I mean his uh everything is [ __ ] sick.

scary dude he's such a scary guy and the. high level kickboxing experience that he. has like coming over from Glory I'm you. know I'm very interested to see what. Israel does different in the second. fight but I'm really interested in. seeing him against someone who can. wrestle that's what I'm really. interested in I was just going to say. it's kind of working out perfectly for a. Lex where. you get another you get another shot. yeah you know you get to go and face. Israel again that's the best matchup for.

you you got a guy that is probably going. to stand with you for as long as the. fight lasts yeah when he's really going. to get challenged is when he has. somebody that's going to say that Marvin. vittori yeah I'm gonna grapple your ass. I'm gonna pressure you up against the. fence and for guys like Victoria it's. got to be like all right they want him. to stay the champ yeah because Izzy. already had their number and he's been. there but as long as pereira's in there. another kickboxer but with a different. style maybe not as much experience in.

the grappling Department they're. chomping at the bit to get in there well. Robert Whittaker you know Whitaker's. very well-rounded he's he's an. interesting matchup for him there's. there's a very good matchups in that 185. pound division but in my opinion what's. interesting is. he's a specialist he's like a pure. specialist yeah I mean he's he can. grapple a little bit but that's not what. he wants to do he wants to knock your. [ __ ] head into the bleachers yeah and.

you know it going in you know that's. what he wants to do to you he just tries. I mean is he was winning that fight and. he's still got him out of there yep I. couldn't believe it I remember even. saying that people were watching it up. in the ESPN desk we're like man could. you imagine if he pulls it off here in. the end and he [ __ ] did it yeah he. did it Izzy was probably ahead three. well what how many rounds do you think. he was ahead going into that. fifth round that was the fifth and I. think even that round was was that who I.

I don't remember now well is he. definitely won the first and almost. knocked him out I think he had probably. two or three rounds. yeah it's hard to say I'd have to go. back and try to score it. which I'm terrible at man people are. always like what did you think I'm like. I'm calling the fight yeah you can't. call and that's the score at the same. time I don't get it when you're scoring. a fight you should shut your mouth okay. here we go so uh Izzy had three rounds. on Eric Cohen's card on Sal de amada's. card he had uh three rounds and he also.

has everybody rounds and Mike Bells yeah. so he's all the same too all he had to. do was move around yep all you have to. do is not get caught not get caught and. he wins that fight. wow. I'm very interested in the rematch very. because you got to think is he almost. had him out in the first round man he. almost had him out if he can avoid. getting that leg compromised like he did. in the first round of that fight and so.

he's got his movement. and he also had some great moments. grappling which surprised a lot of. people yeah when he had potatoes back. and if there's a time that you're gonna. pull out some grappling it's in that. matchup that's what that dude and he's. been at it longer than potatoes so it's. like that's the time to show and he did. yeah both guys did both guys I think. scored takedowns at one point or another. in that fight I remember being like Oh. now they're now they're wrestlers in. here you get two guys that know they can. knock the crap out of each other and. suddenly everybody knows how to do a.

little bit of wrestling well just you. know the mixing it up just keeping. someone guessing over overload their. brain yeah 25 minutes of avoiding that. left hook. scary proposition it's everything man. everything he hits you with is hard. that's what I'm talking about those lean. guys like that you know those shins hurt. you know if he lands an elbow on you. same as Izzy the similar build but. Alexa has more muscle on him he's quite. a bit bigger I mean I think potato when. he actually weighed into the fight was.

above 220. yeah when he was inside the. Octagon before the fight was above 220. whereas you got to remember when Izzy. fought Jan bohovich for the light. heavyweight title he was only 194. yeah. I mean is he is Izzy's one of those guys. that's not cutting that much weight he's. not cutting anyway and even when he. wanted to go up to light heavyweight. he's like I'm not cutting any weight I'm. gonna fight as I fight which makes sense. you know especially if you're not. planning on making that transition. permanently you don't want to go and add. on all that size and the other thing. that drives me nuts about when I hear.

these Fighters and I think it's really. the strength and conditioning coaches. feeding [ __ ] more than it is the. fighters they're just listening to what. they're being told but. you don't put on 20 pounds of muscle in. a month you ever hear these guys in. fighter memes we'll be talking to them. be like well you know I put on about 10. pounds of lean muscle mass for this Camp. I'm like this particular Camp you've put. on 10 pounds 10 pounds of muscle mass. how are you going to pass your piss test. yeah what do you uh what supplements are. you taking for that hair quotes air.

quotes supplements I get the [ __ ] if you. didn't put on 10 pounds of muscle yeah. that's a lot you're out of your mind. yeah yeah you probably gained some water. weight and it's also it's like you got. stronger what kind of scanning are they. doing of their body composition before. they say these things it's the coach. doing the eyeball scan saying that you. put it on 10 pounds of muscle for this. one well you know I always go back to. the Roy Jones Jr. um uh Ruiz fight when he fought John. Ruiz he went up to heavyweight remember. and he got very muscular he was real big.

he was about I mean he wasn't too heavy. for a heavyweight I want to say Roy. weighed like 200 pounds just a little. over 200 pounds maybe see what he. weighed for that John Ruiz fight does it. say. 193. oh was it really that's how he. weighed well the heavyweight for but. what what the heavy weights I think. that's different now they're saying now. he weighs 193. but what did he weigh. when he fought John Ruiz.

it just uh does it say there. oh he said he weighed 193 and Ruiz was. two times. interesting but you know Roy was so. [ __ ] talented but when Roy went down. in weight and then fought Tarver in his. next fight he looked deflated yeah he. looked like he had just really drained. himself to make that weight cut yeah. that's why you see these guys drop down. man it looked terrible and then got. knocked out very few people can do it. Jose Aldo somehow I don't know he came. down and looked great still look good I.

think what happened with Aldo is he. never really had a serious nutritionist. yeah where someone was like planting his. meals breaking it down by calories and. he was just cutting all that weight yeah. for the 45 and it's like well you could. have been a lot smaller way before you. even got to that weight cut because. remember I remember when he was at the. the top of the Heap at 145 he was heavy. man yeah he was walking around. struggling to make those weight cuts and. when he said he was going down to.

bantamweight it's like well how are you. going to go down abandonment you were. you used to struggle able to make 145. pounds. Lifestyle Changes yeah lifestyle changes. and some guys that's the move and some. guys you know it just ruins them because. they just they drain so much out of. their body they're they don't they're. not durable anymore yeah I joked about. I've talked to like nixik and Brian. Butler my manager like maybe I'll come. back at 145. and they're like yeah yeah yeah and I. talked to Ian Larios who does all my.

weight Cuts he's like are you out of. your [ __ ] mind dude he's like just. cause you're skinnier now doesn't mean. you can drop a whole weight class and. have no trouble making that weight were. you thinking about it at one point in. time of doing one more fight oh man I've. thought about it many many times did you. think about it after Oliveira became a. champ. because when you beat Oliveira he was. not yeah he um you know not really. because we're on such different. trajectories it's like just because I at.

the time I had a win which I loved. having over him I loved being the last. guy that had beaten the champion which. is no longer the case but. like for me to come back. and think I'm gonna even come close to. getting that match up it's like well. that's not gonna happen I'm gonna have. to win. and beat all these insane hungry. contenders before I even get to sniff at. that that belt so he was an interesting. case he still was an interesting case. because he was a guy who's kind of known. as the guy who fell apart a quitter a.

little bit Yeah Cub Swanson knocked him. out a bunch of guys at B Max Holloway. had like that weird neck thing going on. what happened to Max Hollywood fight. remember he had like a weird uh Stinger. almost in his neck I think and he kind. of just crumbled in the corner and like. tapped out I think it was a legit thing. with his oh yeah oh yeah I remember that. it was kind of scary I forgot about that. yeah but but then everybody was calling. him a quitter and it's like and he just. turned a corner and then became the. baddest [ __ ] in the weight class.

yeah and not just the baddest. [ __ ] in the weight class but one. of the best [ __ ] in the sport. when he was not when he knocked out. Chandler and he beat the [ __ ] out of. gaichi when he when he was putting it on. people you got to go God damn he's good. I'm curious see. if he comes back. and gets back to that Islam fight. because he seems to want it at first it. didn't seem like. like after you've been there with Islam. I think a lot of people go. I don't know if I want to get back in.

there right away who's on and then you. think you think about it for a while was. it say here Oliveira suffered a Michael. Taran is esophagus wow and you know what. that was probably due to he said he's. injured his neck and training but did. physical therapy and thought everything. was fine what do you think about all of. the. um weight cuts that he had been doing to. make 145 pounds back in the day that's. right the 45 now he probably heard it in. training legit yeah but when you're. constantly dehydrating yourself Camp. after Camp after camp and I remember.

when he fought me he was still trying to. go back down to 145 pounds which is why. he wasn't as big I mean I must have been. 20 pounds heavier than him when I fought. him back then and so then he made a. conscious decision yeah he said I'm. gonna I'm gonna stay here because they. told him you have no choice so like. you're either gonna fight in this weight. class or you're going to keep missing. and screwing yourself over it's crazy. because his power developed like when he. hit gagey Gage he said no one ever hit. him that hard before. he said he felt it in his teeth and he.

even back in the day when he was still. Mr Skinny Charles Oliveira and he kicked. me a few times I remember being like God. damn. I thought I was going to buzz saw. through this guy on the feet and he. lands a few shots and you could see. where that strength was there that again. another one of those just wiry guys. where you kind of underestimate their. power and then they hit you and you're. like Jesus Christ long lean it's a great. build for fighting you look at some of. the great fighters of our time like the. long lean guys the best yeah in my.

opinion because you're of the reach. Advantage the reach Jiu Jitsu you can. wrap everybody up you can sneak your. arms in through your your you're not as. bulky which maybe you don't have as much. of that brunt kind of power that some of. the guys that are shorter in stock you. would have in the division but. I think that long lean muscle for MMA is. is the way to be and I was just short. and Stumpy I had no I have no reach none. of those benefits unfortunately yeah but.

then look at Mighty Mouse he's short and. Stumpy too and he's the greatest of all. time yeah if not the greatest he's in. the conversation I mean I don't think. there's one real greatest of all time. khabib is most certainly in the. conversation Jon Jones Jon Jones for. sure Jon Jones has got the perfect build. perfect build. how is that going to translate to. heavyweight it's very interesting. because everybody else has a perfect. build up there too yeah it's a different. world when you're dealing with the. natural 245s natural 260s I was really. looking forward to him and Francis I.

think everybody was man real bummed out. when they didn't make that happen. yeah I think Francis just sees that pot. of gold at the end of the boxing rainbow. and it's like you know what I'm gonna. make some [ __ ] money and my hope is. here's my hope here's the perfect world. the perfect world is he goes over has. some big money heavyweight boxing fight. Jon Jones and Cyril gone have a fight. John wins serial wins whoever wins is. the UFC champion and then they have.

comes back and then Francis comes back. yeah he can totally come back Francis if. you're listening sir please don't don't. sign exclusive contract just go make. some money away right who knows if. someone comes along and offers him a. [ __ ] ton of money yeah look I mean he. should if someone says hey I'll give you. a hundred million dollars do whatever. you do whatever you say okay what I got. to do fight Jake Paul but what the [ __ ]. do I have to do you know what I mean. like if they're going to offer him big. money but I think they're trying to do a. Tyson Fury fight I know Tyson Fury was. saying a bunch of crazy [ __ ] like we're.

fighting a cage. Mike Mike Tyson is the referee he's yeah. why why is that like that because I mean. that would be more people would buy it I. mean that's that's just getting a bunch. of people to buy it you make as much. money as they humanly can I mean Tyson. do people need to understand. the levels of boxing though you gotta. understand I mean listen Francis and. Ghana could knock out any human being on.

Earth if he can hit them clean on the. chin but good luck hitting Tyson Fury. clean on the chin bro. did you see Floyd Mayweather sparring. yesterday he made that kid I don't know. who that kid is well the kid is like a. decent boxer yeah decent and that's that. just shows you right there I mean he was. I just saw it yesterday I was watching. and he was just and he'll talk Lane with. him yeah playing with him and moving. away from him and you know and the kid. whoever this guy is I guess he's a. YouTuber yeah oh really do you know who.

he is Jamie. uh the kid had an excellent account of. himself because even though Floyd was. tagging him he didn't shy away he he. kept moving forward he was just and you. can't get frustrated like the worst. thing you can do. when Floyd's talking [ __ ] to you like. that is Russian right because well. you're gonna you're gonna walk onto a. right hand and you're gonna look like an. you're going to look like an idiot. so he's still I mean he's like 50 years. old. I mean it's amazing his understanding of.

where the punch is look at that [ __ ]. counter. his understanding of is that the dude he. boxed he's talking about the video oh. let's hear him say it what are you. saying. oh oh my god I didn't even see that. he's coming. and he touched you with that yeah it. just touched it oh Jesus. that's funny if you wanted to take you. down with that that liver shot he would.

have taken you down yeah easily he's. just tapping him up but it's uh that. guy's got a great uh sense of humor. about it. it's very funny how he's laughing about. it but. um you know I mean you got to think this. guy is 50 years old I mean how old is. Floyd now he's got to be close to gotta. be late 40s 48 late 40s. okay was 21. and at this point in time. 45 sorry 40 times sorry Floyd but I mean. passes part his Prime and still just.

making millions of dollars no business. he's really brilliant what he's doing is. brilliant because he he gets these guys. to fight him they have no business. fighting him he's making millions of. dollars he puts on a show do you see the. one he did uh I guess it was in was it. in Dubai where he he took the ring card. and he was walking around in between. rounds holding the ring card oh my God. girl he was just having a blast I saw. the one a while back he fought that.

kickboxer kid oh yeah yeah that was like. the first time he had done one of those. yeah one of those like big exhibitions. and it's just like he's just attention. 126. well tensions is a tiny guy yeah. he's a brilliant kickboxer but without. kicking yeah without the guy no chance I. know he might not even have a chance he. has a chance of taking. he imagined they let him leg kick Floyd. that's the only way I'm getting in there. can I elbow how about this can I need. you I get 10 leg kicks around I I give.

me give me one right give me one yeah if. I land uh yeah I don't wanna. oh you get those juices flowing again. yes I know let's go I do man it's um. it's hard it's a it's a. especially since we do commentary right. so I'm around these Elite Fighters all. the time and. I try to. be respect but you can tell sometimes. somebody will get sassy or have a. comment about what I said and it's like. man don't don't forget that I've been in.

there too man like I know everything. that's going on there I've had my ass. beat I've beaten some good dudes I've. never was championed that's the only. thing sometimes I feel a little bit of. um what's the what's the word where you. uh. uh like you feel like you're. imposters yeah like I don't deserve to. be there sometimes because you got Dom. next to me he's champ wec champ I got. DC's double champ next to me well what. about me I never even fought them if. you're there day one do you know what I.

mean yeah but it's you do a great job. you shouldn't have imposter syndrome and. you were absolutely legitimate like Top. Flight professional fighter it's just um. that sport is always going to have. sensitive people when you know you. dedicate your entire life to this one. moment and then someone's criticizing it. and saying oh he could have done this. and he could have done that and they're. like [ __ ] you Paul Felder I I I've had. to uh to take some Joe Rogan lessons on. not not reading the comments and not.

doing all that stuff because everyone. should listen to me about that for the. longest time I would get man and I'd get. into these arguments and you you can't. win because you've already lost the. second you type it in and send it They. just won yeah you lost right away and. you're almost really letting it get to. you is the first loss there's no there's. nothing at stake so you can't win. anything no there's nothing. yeah I'll beat you up internet guy I say. that but then there's Gordon Ryan who. loves to [ __ ] go back and forth with.

people online but does he have fun doing. it he does okay. he's a sometimes he's like legitimate. psycho but as long as you can enjoy yeah. well he's a real psycho as long as you. can enjoy it yeah I start to get mad he. enjoys it he gets a kick out of it he. doesn't give a [ __ ] like you can't hurt. his feelings like that well because I. mean you're like what are you gonna do. you're right first of all where's the. trash talk even coming from with a guy. like that right like what are you saying. though right that he's not the best 50. in a row oh you can't heal okay.

everybody you should you're the greatest. of all time whatever. yeah probably she could want to suck. dick. yeah it's um it's an interesting thing. that social media. because I've seen it ruin people's lives. I've seen uh some Fighters uh they get. into it with people on social media and. they're going back and forth all the. time and I know that's [ __ ] with.

their head I know they're probably. thinking about that while they're. hitting pads they're thinking about some. mean things that someone said yeah or. someone posts a gift I remember people. used to [ __ ] with Rashad Evans there was. that photo of him when Leota Machida. knocked him out and it was like his. eyeballs were rolled back in his head. and some guy came up to him at uh once. to sign it yeah yeah and he crumpled it. up and threw it at him should have just. signed it yeah I don't know like you. gotta but you're in there with you're.

standing right next to a lion yeah like. how can you watch your [ __ ] mouth you. think you're cute to go up to Rashad. Evans and put a picture of him being. knocked out you think that's cute he'll. do he'll rip your [ __ ] head off your. body how about that he's a much calmer. man these days man oh my God he's he's. so chill now psychedelic Journey yeah he. became a different human it's so funny. to see him like I just just his his. energy in the in the backstage area is. just so calm now and I'm like I remember. hanging out with you yeah that's what it.

does it you turn into a [ __ ] giraffe. that's the one thing I I can't John. Gooden too I I can't I can't. I just can't get on that on that. bandwagon I don't think it's good for. you I mean it might be okay for some. people but it's not I don't believe it's. the optimum diet and this comes from. many many many conversations with. nutritionists yeah and and vegans too. and trying to listen to people that are. vegan you can do it and pull it off but. you have to really be careful and you. have to really mind your macronutrients.

and really yeah because it just seems so. easy to take way too much of uh of you. know processed [ __ ] it's not just that. you definitely could do that but it's. also your body is not absorbing like. when people go you can't go one to one. with animal products versus like. broccoli like if you say like oh I got. 25 grams of protein from broccoli no you. didn't yes your body's not absorbing it. the same yeah with all that fiber or. something you're just gonna be farting. all the time the whole time but some.

people have done it right they can do it. it can be done right I just don't think. it's the optimal diet you know I really. believe that uh red meat and and you. know this is very controversial but it's. backed up by science it really is red. meat is one of the most nutrient dense. foods yeah and all of our ideas about. what's bad and what's good we've been. hoodwinked we've been hoodwinked by uh a. bunch of [ __ ] up studies that were. conducted by the sugar companies because. they paid scientists off to lie about.

the dangers of saturated fat and that is. just in everyone's Consciousness yep and. then you know there's all these people. what about your cholesterol but about. this what about that I get my blood work. done all the time I'm healthy as [ __ ]. yeah so you know and you are eating a. lot of red meat I'm eating mostly meat. all of January I go on the carnivore. diet I do it every year I just all. January nothing but me I feel [ __ ] you. don't crave like oh I guess you do yeah. I do cheat I cheat a couple times what's. your what's your go-to sushi oh I had.

some sushi that was really good but it's. just rice I cheated with rice I chewed. rice rice is my favorite thing in the. planet I had dessert three times this. month yeah. um and uh I had a piece of bread. yesterday. oh bread dude I do. I love it I had a steak and I was like. one piece of Bread's not gonna [ __ ]. kill me you know what I want after the. steak some bread yes after the steak no. I'm just saying I I always want bread. now uh I love bread bread with butter.

it's [ __ ] God damn it you know what. warm warm Bread have you ever heard of. this when I was a kid. if we had anything with gravy. for dinner we would do bread and gravy. afterwards right you just my dad would. go to the kitchen grab the biggest thing. of white bread that we had put a pile on. anybody want some bread and gravy so we. would just sit there grab the gravy oh. yeah pour it all over bread well you. know I'm Italian and my my grandparents. used to live in this very Italian.

neighborhood in New Jersey that. eventually wasn't Italian but they had. these Italian bakeries and we would go I. would go walk with my grandfather to. this Bakery he'd go to the bakery every. couple of days and buy a couple loaves. of bread yeah and it was the freshest. bread I need to carve into it and my. grandmother. homemade. pasta sauce yeah and oh my god oh dip it. in there with butter butter and marinara. bubbling away oh and you have a side of.

bread slather that with some butter and. right into the pot almost scold your. whole face off but it's just whatever. I'm going in so good ah I mean I know. it's terrible for you but like like look. you're from Philly a [ __ ] Cheesesteak. sub that's like a real good one a real. good one would just [ __ ] hot and. you're ripping apart at the middle and. take a bite into it and just the crunch. of the bread on the outside and the. juicy bread it's the bread man yeah even.

our like all the hoagies and stuff like. that you get the like the hard seed it. rolls that's the way to go okay. Jesus look at that eat that below oh. that looks so Philly doesn't suck. Chicago sucks go birds look how good. that looks God that looks good that's. what the that's whiz wit right there. what was wit it's funny how Philly. became like known for cheesesteaks yeah. like that is the food of Philadelphia. right if you if you ask someone like I.

don't think there's another place like. that in terms of like a sandwich that's. completely connected to one city yeah. well here's another place no. I can't I guess like I got you got. Chicago's got the uh deep dish like and. they and what's their they do like the. they do a beef sandwich too in Chicago. like yeah yeah but it's not but but it's. not not as famous as a cheese steak. Philly's like synonymous with cheese. steaks and Jim's which is boys was.

always my favorite spot on South Street. that's just like burned down not too. long ago I don't even think it's. back up and running and then obviously. Pats and genos are just like the they're. kind of tourists yeah I mean they're. still good there's bro if it's three in. the morning and you've been out. and then you go and get it it's going to. taste amazing and you want to see a. brawl if you want to see a fist fight. you're five out of ten or be in one you. can go stand in that line what's the. best cheesesteak in Philly they've got.

to be like one best place I mean I I. always went to gyms but everybody would. argue uh there's a spot in in the. Northeast I know the darkest brothers. would be arguing with me about that and. Sean Brady uh but you know what I don't. even I I don't eat them that often to be. honest with you when you grow up. once a year. no more than more than that and I say I. don't eat them very often I mean like. you know every couple months I'll have a. Cheesesteak but I'm Pizza Pizza Guy.

nowadays every time I watch Dave Portnoy. test Pizza I wish I was there with them. yeah I get so jealous like when he's. just taking a bite meanwhile you're. eating a steak and he was just crushing. bread yeah I mean I it's not good for. you it's not the right way for me just. me personally when I eat and I feel my. best is like fruit and meat yeah that's. it and I can eat Greens Greens don't. seem to bother me but the the balance. for me seems to be.

fruit and meat what is this is. Jim's oh that looks good oh my God I got. to make a Cheesesteak at Jim's for the. UFC they but they did a feature when we. when we uh. the last time they were in Philly me and. my brother me and my brother Tommy did. uh yeah Obama. I mean everybody's yeah you get the. thing I like about gyms too on South. Street you can get beers and stuff there. a lot of them you can't get they don't.

want you to get beer because you know. it's three in the morning and you're. gonna chaos they already you're already. trying to fight somebody outside of that. place it's just funny that how did that. happen where that became like the known. sandwich of Philadelphia. I don't know I I think that I remember I. I'd heard how they even got started I. think a guy had some leftover steak and. it was like early in the morning or. something he threw a sandwich together. and that's I think that's how they got. started making them like that but. I don't know how that became so damn.

famous with our city that that we're. known for yeah. food all the different stuff that people. could eat that one sandwich becomes. famous for this we were we were like the. one of the founding the the original. capital of this nation what are we known. for now she's the cheese whiz on well. also known for fights Fighters I mean. think about how many Bernard Hopkins. Joe Frazier I mean so many great. Fighters came out of Philadelphia dude. there's a kid now. um.

Ennis. damn bro God damn he's good he's so good. I remember training with him. when he was like a teenager. and he was just he was just he was just. playing around with us and we were just. he would just move around I mean we were. grown adult MMA fighters couldn't even. touch this kid and now look he's just. he's so murdering people the way he. yeah just like slides he could he. basically does like a cartwheel and gets.

out of the way some of these shots man. he's so slick he's so slick and creative. and so entertaining to watch he's so. good yeah he's so good at switching. stances and and his mom movement yeah I. see him doing as well because he was. literally helping MMA guys out with his. dad obviously. um bozie who's just. training him I don't know if I I think. that's who he's training with pretty. much full-time still is his dad his dad. still gets after it his dad is 67 years. old down if if need be I've seen him box.

like young young kids in the gym Who. start mouthing off and he's like oh you. want to throw down doesn't throw a head. gear on it and just he'll he'll bust. people up wow he's he's the man he uh he. cornered me for that the spinning. spinning hook kick fight he was in my. corner yeah wow yeah yeah so when you. were doing that did you have an MMA gym. or were you training were you. cross-training on your own like going to. a boxing gym a Muay Thai gym a Jiu Jitsu. gym so back then.

we at Daniel Gracie's gym in North. Philly we had a. if you went into our basement gym there. was a like sliding old school door that. went into another basement and you know. it was just like all old warehouses that. were turned into Studios like this or or. boxing gym and next door to us with a. was a boxing gym wow so we would we. started sharing the space so we would. work with uh bozie and all those guys. and his sons and his who are you know.

he's got other sons who didn't make it. the way boots is now but they would spar. with us help us out hold pads for us so. that that was kind of just like a little. collab that we had going at the time but. wow that's fortunate it was great that's. amazing that's amazing and they would I. remember some of the pro boxes there. would just jab like you'd you'd be. trying to beat their asses and you'd. find out after the session that yeah I. was just throwing jazz. like look think back he's like did I. ever hit you with a right hand it's like. no you're only jabbing me in the face.

and I was trying to take your head off. for you know six rounds or whatever it. was and they were just sharpening up. tools on you they're just just working. on one thing or maybe just defense not. even punching you well that would be a. thing that hicks and Gracie would always. do with people you know like he would uh. just go for left arm bars yeah so he. would train with everybody and just like. that's the best way to do if you're if. you're significantly better than. somebody okay well how can I handicap. myself so that I'm still working while. you're still working yeah it's just a. good way to train yeah it's it's hard.

for a guy who's that much better than. everybody else to get real good solid. work in yeah just don't put nobody on. that level. so what was the first was Dukes the. first uh actual MMA gym I know you did. some training with cowboy too right yeah. so. way back when I was still an amateur. he had like the tap out. house back then where he had bunk beds. in his own house and he would rent it. out and you could just come and.

experience training with Donald and. Leonard Garcia at the time so I would I. flew out. after sparring with him at a seminar and. he's like you know what you don't even. have to pay just come out and you can. train with us you can live in the house. and be a sparring partner and then. After experiencing that mess of living. in bunk beds with these other fighter. dudes sharing one bathroom bro in the. back of his house because the way they. had the ranch set up is Leonard had like. this middle area Cowboy had his own. bedroom with a bathroom in the back and.

then all of us dudes were just. in like four bunk beds how many guys. were in the house man we'd have there'd. be like 10 guys at a time oh my God. all taken dumps in the same who's. cooking. us. for ourselves going to Walmart and. buying [ __ ] and that's when you realize. how. how back-assed some of these kids are. with their diets it's like what are you. eating it's Oreos everywhere it's like. little kids it's like you realize that. none of us knew how to even live on our.

own and we all started you started. eating cleaner you started well the ones. that wanted to be successful would and. uh some of these kids would miss weight. or they'd be partying and not training. and it's like dude you're not here on. vacation man right you're here to train. and some guy being there with cowboy get. his nose broken he used to spar four. ounce gloves. no shin guards no headgear just. mouthpiece MMA gloves in his cage at the. ranch and I remember I was always just.

getting thrown in because he he'd. wrecked somebody. all right Felder Philly called me back. then to get Philly in here and I'd come. in and take my ass beating but I kept. coming after him I kept coming after him. coming after him and he started flying. me out and then I started training with. those guys and then obviously I got my. UFC debut and he definitely he's like. get your ass out here I went out there I. brought my buddy Jonathan with me. and uh I did that for a while and then I. was like okay.

it was too much and. it was it was Cowboy it was the cowboy. show like I needed to find somewhere. where I could kind of have my own little. bit of a training camp I could still go. and train with him but it wasn't I. wasn't going to get that attention that. and now being in the UFC that's when I. was finally like man I can't. I can't just be a sparring partner. anymore and um that's when I started. doing my own training camps and I. floated around Daniel Gracie uh I worked.

with nicotone and Ricardo and Mark Henry. and those guys for a couple fights and. it just it didn't nothing against those. guys I love all those guys. but it didn't seem like it just didn't. fit my style and then my manager at the. time Brian was like I want you to go. check out Duke and see which so I I flew. out there when I was getting ready for. Gilbert Burns which ended up not. happening. he broke his arm in that fight but. that's the first time I flew out there I. had lost to trinaldo in Brazil.

and then I flew out to dukes and I never. left I stayed there for the entire train. again. once I met him once I hit pads with him. one time I was like that's my guy really. that's my guy interesting bro he's like. uh he's like rain man of tie pads and. Thai knowledge he's he's so damn good oh. he's a well boy knowledge yeah. yeah he'll tell you all about it too. yeah I mean you want to hear about it. Duke will freaking talk to you about it. I love that you got to think of him and. his brother I mean they were at the.

Forefront of kickboxing you know when. his brother I forget who that Thai guy. whose brother [ __ ] up but when his. brother was the King of Kings in. kickboxing then he fought that tie guy. and that Thai Guy chopped his legs apart. and then Duke who was 19 at the time was. like well I don't think there's any. talent and kicking legs and then he's. like I'm never gonna let that have he. that was the moment when he was like oh. yeah I guess there is something to this. stuff and then he became obsessed with. it I remember the first time I found out. about Muay Thai I was training in Boston.

and I was training with this uh my I was. I was running this Taekwondo school and. I was working with this boxing trainer. and this boxing trainer had this other. guy who ran a karate school in Everett. uh Rich vassapoli great [ __ ] guy he. died actually doing a triathlon he got. kicked he got kicked in in the head. while swimming swimming and he got. knocked out I guess yes this is the. fight so he just doesn't even know what.

to do yeah and well also Rick had him. hurt he had him hurt and it dropped him. because he could punch man oh my God he. could do everything Rick could do. everything and he was so clever like his. kicking and everything was so slick but. this [ __ ] was just dropping him. down marching forward just chopping him. down and he just brutalized his legs and. Rick didn't react to it at all he didn't. know what to do yeah there it is he. heard him. he heard him bad when he said was it a.

high kick he said he kicked into the. left hand oh yeah so he kicked him and. then threw left hand boom yeah like. almost like a Superman punch yeah with. one leg up caught him on the blood or. his mouth guard mouth guard. so he puts his mouth guard back in. I mean that's wrong one round one I mean. very very interesting moment in uh. striking because oh look you heard him.

again he tags him drops him a second. time in the round like he had him in. real [ __ ] trouble. and this dude gets up and Rick had some. [ __ ] hands I mean he had amazing. kicks above the waist and eventually. developed great kicks below the waist. but this tie guy just kept [ __ ]. chopping the legs and I think this fight. was a fight how do you say his name. Chang quick. song grit I don't know you need to. pronounce that one or Mark de la grate.

could probably do it but so he had this. dude knock on Mark definitely good well. Mark could actually speak Thai yeah it's. wild watching him speak Thai because. he's you see this guy from Boston I said. [ __ ] Italian guy you know and he's uh. speaking tight oh yeah look at that jump. spinning back kick to the head at the. end of the first round so this dude is. getting his ass handed to him in the. first round and then comes back in the. second and just starts [ __ ] marching. him down and chopping those legs he can.

go right there just go right there you. can get get a sense of it but we we got. a sense of like oh this is crazy like. he's he's taking away his ability to. move and he's taking away his ability I. mean he's just thumping those shins you. see it right there yeah that one right. there he's already not making it yeah. not liking it. and it opened up a lot of people's eyes. and I want to say [ __ ] what year was. this oh God. I mean does it say.

88 wow so no one even [ __ ] understood. Muay Thai outside of Thailand back then. I mean there was a few guys but most. people did not know what Muay Thai was. about. so this is when I first found out about. Muay Thai and I heard about this fight. and because I was a giant fan of Rick. Rufus and this was on PKA Karate was on. ESPN and uh I started training and I. started training with guys who were.

going over to Thailand yeah and fighting. there was this one dude that I knew who. went over there for months and months at. a time and this is in. 88 88 or 89. this guy was going over to. Thailand and and training and coming. back with all these stories and [ __ ]. Cuts all over yeah forehead from angles. yeah yeah but it was uh it was very. eye-opening the elbows were very. eye-opening like because I haven't.

hadn't really and thought about that as. like a an in-tight weapon that would. work alongside with boxing. and then the leg kicks and just I. remember being stunned at how effective. leg kicks are just it's so amazing yeah. like watching that fight it's like wow. and I remember being a little kid and I. obviously grew up doing martial arts and. I remember a couple people even when I. was just starting doing Taekwondo and. karate people being used to do Muay Thai. but even then I remember you know as a.

kid I was I was born in 84 so. I was four when Rick was getting his ass. handed leg kicks like that but that's. crazy even even when I was a kid people. were like nice tomorrow. yeah I was 21. I'm so old it's wild. it's wild thinking back to those days. because I was out of time where martial. arts had started to kind of like that. was the first time striking Styles.

merged where you saw like the above the. waist kickboxing which is what most of. the people did in America and versus. Muay Thai yeah Muay Thai was so much. more effective but if you have those. above the way style kicks and and you. can kick the legs oh my God no one knew. what to do with front leg Sidekicks I. remember that when I was kickboxing I. was like no one knew what to do with. that it was weird like you would stand. sideways and they didn't know how to. handle that you can't get in if you were. really good at it there was this guy. Larry Jones that I used to train with. Larry was six foot two and he was all.

legs it was crazy his legs went up to. here I never saw anybody built like him. he had the Torso of a five foot man and. he had these legs that were incredible. incredible dexterity and he would. sidekick the [ __ ] out of everybody and. you just couldn't get close to him yeah. you try to move forward. you could have the best hands in the. world hide like a lot of those Point. fighter guys like there's a guy named. Mafia Holloway do you know who he is he. was a guy um he was the first guy I. fought a couple of those Point. tournaments just for [ __ ] around I. wasn't a point fighting guy but I would.

do it every now and then and I fought. him in a point fighting tournament I. remember being so baffled because like. what to do because I I was used to. continuous the tiger no fights were. continuous yeah. tap me and I was like oh wow I was like. this is something I need to learn how to. do and I remember thinking that when I. when MMA started emerging I was like. that is an unseen skill the ability to. point fight and then Venom page came and. showed everybody Venom page was the. first guy that was like a really good.

point fighter yeah that made his way. into MMA I'm like there's Wonder Boy as. well Wonder Boy as well but Wonderboy is. a kickboxer Wonder Boy did a lot of a. you know above the waist kickboxing and. he was [ __ ] phenomenal at that his. record's like crazy 57-0 or something. crazy like that I mean Wonder Boy. um is like that fight with Kevin alone. that let everybody know like you just. want to stand up with Wonder Boy you're. in trouble no threat of the takedown at. all Wonder Boy is a bad man he's yeah. he's a bad man he's just and he he's.

just gonna have fun yeah you know what I. mean even if you hurt him it's like. don't forget this dude came from a he's. been hurt before on the feet oh he knows. as long as you're not gonna follow it up. with a whole bunch of wrestling and. stifling you stand and do that all day. long and his ego is so healthy he's such. a nice guy he's a nice that like it's. almost like he's congratulating you for. hitting him yeah like good job like got. past my defenses there buddy good job. well he does some wild [ __ ] too like he. sneaks that round kick over the shoulder. onto the face I think that's the kick.

that made him I mean that that knockout. that he has first UFC fight is that what. it was yeah and he just kind of throws. it yeah for us a hobby saying that he. was the best Striker they'd ever seen. they brought him in to train with George. yes and this is the Wonder Boy was in. his 20s yeah Wonderboy was a. [ __ ] I saw him fight live yeah. sure sure. um. uh I saw Wonder Boy fight live at Chuck. Norris's event remember Chuck Norris yes. dude I I used to watch that all because.

that was in the prime of I'm still doing. Taekwondo and doing all that and I'm. like that's what I wanted yeah because. it was kickboxing so you can find some. of the the what was that called well I. think it was World Combat League I think. you're right I think that's what he. called it but I went to see it I believe. it was in Atlantic City and it was the. first time I met Chuck Norris. I was like oh my God it's Chuck Norris I. couldn't believe I was meeting Chuck. Norris and he knew who I was I was like. oh my God I could die now it's like. Chuck Norris Knows My Name he came and.

gave me a hug I was like holy [ __ ] Chuck. Norris gave me a hug but this is Wonder. Boy when he was in his [ __ ] Prime man. like and so there was uh what we're. looking at is a for people that are just. listening these are a round platform and. it's it bevels up on the sides slightly. so instead of having a barrier there's. like a there's like a an area the red. area like a yellow area the danger track. and then the red where it goes it Slants. up and so you know to move around around.

it which I think was a brilliant idea. and I want to say that I want to say. Frank Shamrock was like one of the first. guys to use something similar to that in. MMA he had an organization that he was. doing a while yeah well dude it's oh it. goes back even think of uh blood Spore. right when they at the final match right. they turn up the canvas so that they're. forced to the middle I mean that's. basically the concept it's a good.

concept I like the concept the concept. of having like a curved surface that but. the problem with MMA guys is you can't. have that because guys will drive people. over the sides you'll be running into. that guy with the camera right there see. there's there you caught him with that. same kick over the shoulder he was so. good at sneaking that front round kick. over the shoulder and like catching you. on the chin doc guy doesn't have any. idea where to hit him no he has no idea. doc Hamilton that referee he was one of. the first guys to develop an alternative.

scoring system he had an alternative. scoring system to the MMA scoring system. like you know because we have we still. have this 10 point must system that I. think is very ineffective or not. ineffective but not comprehensive enough. for all the skills and all it's like. with boxing you could use the 10 point. system is great for boxing yeah because. you can you're just using hands you. could see who won 10-9 this guy but. right once you start using takedown. that's where it gets so complicated man. there's too many things too many things.

because what we what do we end up. arguing about well or or people in. general about the fights oh well he got. the takedown and the control and landed. X Y and Z yeah but he threw up three. submission attempts from his back right. or he got taken down three times but the. other guy got up three times so it's. like right it's so freaking hard to to. score yeah and it's very subjective it's. very subjective and I understand guys. will tell you no no we count this we. count that I understand how you're. scoring it how you're supposed to score. it but I still don't think that that's.

comprehensive enough I don't think we we. should have a 10-point system I think it. should be like almost like the amount of. strikes landed versus plus the amount of. hard strikes landed plus takedown. attempts it should be like it should. take like five minutes to [ __ ] score. each round yeah it should almost be. looked at in segments right well okay. who won the striking right so and so who. won this and then you evaluate well. maybe that was even and that that's the. idea right that's what the that's what. the judges are now supposed to be trying.

to do is view it where they start with. the Striking. but that's the problem is that's if you. win the Striking you win the round right. unless it's done but takedowns like some. people score takedowns very heavily you. know those so takedown's in control and. it's not supposed to be that way it's. supposed to be just a change in position. if you don't do anything with it so if. you get it let's say I take you down and. I don't throw any strikes. but somebody from their back yeah and.

someone's throwing up something I'm just. glad that I don't have to do it to be. completely fair that way I would not do. well and everybody's like you guys. should be doing the judge's former. Fighters I'm like yeah no way I already. get enough criticism I certainly don't. want to be the guy that's then judging. these things we get enough trouble when. we say who we think won in a fight but I. think at least it would be coming from a. place of knowledge I mean it could be. subjective and it could be argued and. debated but at least no one can say you. don't know what you're talking about. yeah whereas there are there are.

problems with judges we're not martial. artists at all which is crazy yeah which. is crazy that's like me judging soccer. like I don't like what how the [ __ ] are. you a martial arts judge watching a. cricket match I remember there was a. moment I would have no idea in the. middle of a fight in the early days. where uh someone was doing a Kimura and. one of the judges asked uh someone else. what is he doing and I was like this is. so crazy that judge just asked what is.

he doing and this person is responsible. for this wondering if someone's career. like this person has dedicated their. entire life to this moment well it's a. real good thing you go like this I mean. imagine you imagine if you heard that if. you like got a guy in a Kimura and. you're like you're stepping your leg. over the head and you're trying to. finish it like what is he doing what is. he doing what what what are you doing. like you are watching why are you here. mixed martial arts how did you get that. spot.

it's kind of there's there's parts of it. that are kind of bush League still and I. just I just don't think we should have. that scoring system I think someone. should sit down and develop a con and. that's what doc Hamilton tried to do he. tried to develop I I believe doc called. it a half-point system and he and I. talked about it we had a conversation we. explained to me and I said that's a it. definitely sounds better than what we're. doing yeah but you know something. something. I also think they should be fighting on. a football field I know you still you.

still need that fantasy at that cage. [ __ ] that cage the cage just gets in the. way and it also it now you guys know how. to fight in the case oh yeah completely. they know how to use it they know how to. put their Back Against the Cage to get. back up like if the UFC's suddenly. thrown through ropes out there people. would be like what right what the I. don't know how to fight anymore because. you're so used to takedowns on the fence. well if you go to Pride ropes are not. the way either because guys would get. caught up in the stops and I mean.

that's not good either I think a. platform not even a platform just like a. flat surface but like a basketball court. yes like a basketball if you can play. basketball in a court why can't you have. an MMA fighting a court no mats or you. like the idea because then you're just. gonna break bones yeah you break bones. and also head kicks when guys go down. their head bounces off yeah yeah I. fought in a lot of basketball courts in. the Taekwondo days yes yeah me too the. point where they'd made guys wear pads.

just in the back of their head just. because if you got a head kick yeah the. bounce that's one of the scariest things. just the multiple people fighting no not. quite oh is this Batman. and the guy just left oh my gosh so. they're Barefoot and they broke the. glass leave it to Russia Russia will. have like fat men fighting fit women. they'll have car fighting a car Jiu. Jitsu did you see that they have car MMA. too Russia so crazy they're so crazy.

with the [ __ ] they invent this Emmy. Habib basically made this up yeah. but look at this guy why would you do. that bro it shatters it because he's. being funny. that's so and there's no way that's 10. feet no definitely not right no no of. course not no it's not a real so now the. guy gets the ball and the other guy. takes him down are they allowed to hit. him I doesn't seem like they're hitting. each other honest with you I don't know. if there's many rules to this but but. it's in a cage and they're playing. basketball this is dumb they just they.

have glass back together that's all so. they're scoring points but they're not. it's just in an octagon I have seen that. thing that khabib and his friends do. that's become almost I don't know if. it's a real sport but I've seen like. organized versions of it now it looks. fun when you watch khabib and his. buddies training they just don't dribble. right yeah they're just running and. holding onto the ball it's like guys. the whole point of the sport is it's. difficult because you got to dribble the. ball yes like NBA's already pushing the.

boundaries on traveling and walking and. all that but they take each other down. on the [ __ ] hardwood floor. rug ball they're calling it oh so this. is a different version of it oh my God. this is legit. brutal. make it oh it's like a shot not a bad. shot rug ball is a mix of basketball and. wrestling oh Jesus Christ and created. and where's Russia Russia animals. there's some tough ass [ __ ] people if. you think right now about the amount of.

Top Flight talent that comes from. Eastern Europe and Russia and Dagestan. and chechnya you know I mean [ __ ] hey. man dude they're they're all just. waiting to take all the titles at this. point too I mean even in boxing did you. see the better be a fight no oh my God. better BF is so [ __ ]. 19-0 19 knockouts. I mean what the [ __ ] man.

yeah they're they're uh. they're definitely a step ahead yeah in. terms of Combat Sports whatever it is. whether it's boxing wrestling MMA and. they've got there's the guy yeah I mean. he's such a [ __ ] animal he's from. church now and he's 38 years old so it's. like he's got to get like the big fight. he was one of the guys that they were. talking about Canelo fighting at light. heavyweight and I would have loved to. see that because I think his mauling.

style because he just [ __ ] comes. forward and he he forces fire fights. it's very different than most world. champions in that like he gets in. slugfest and he gets hit but he's super. skillful he lost to usick in the. Olympics uh maybe it was Olympics it was. certainly in the amateurs but you know. Top Flight amateur and a destroyer as a. professional 19-0 and Yard Man credit to. yard because Anthony yard is a bad man.

and he's a [ __ ] tough dude he took. took some horrible shots. in this fight but better be of just. never stops just constantly coming. forward and his technique is [ __ ]. flawless I would have loved to see him. versus Canelo yeah because they both in. that I mean canelo's another one that's. just right in there but they're ready. for it better be if it's so much bigger. he's a big guy man Canelo is you know. started his career he fought Floyd at. 152 fought at 154. I mean he's he's.

certainly a legit 160 and 168 he's great. at it but this dude is a legit 75. it's. it's a different world. and better be of 19-0 with 19 Knockouts. so he's going to fight Dimitri bival. next supposedly hopefully and that's a. really interesting but again bevall. Russian this guy chechnyan that [ __ ]. world over there dude hard grow up. different man yeah like they're not. growing up with tons of money and these.

guys are living on cliffs in the middle. of like rock Villages you know what I. mean where they're kicking stones in. each other for fun like it's true that's. gonna breed just and then you take them. and it's like hey you could do that you. can kick that rock around or you can. come in this gym and learn how to fight. and it's like yeah that sounds a lot. more you can play basketball where you. tackle each other yeah sign me up for. that I'd have been good at that sport. just not the not the dribbling part well. you think of like war-torn chechnya I.

mean that's where Hamza Jamaya comes. from that's where better be of comes. from I mean it's just. when you're it's an Escape to be able to. go and box and fight and do MMA and now. he's living in Sweden and stuff like. that oh man I know gets to talk trash. and and be cool like being around nice. people yeah nobody's trying to kill me. right now yeah that if I mean you think. about some of our greatest fighters in. America grow up in poor neighborhoods. yeah these guys grow up in war-torn poor.

neighborhoods it's even levels to that. right I mean our best guys yeah you come. from. rough neighborhoods I grew up in a rough. neighborhood but I didn't grow up in. chechnya right do you know what I mean. South Philly is. think about like what you've got now. with like Norma met off he he steps down. but then you still you have Umar. Umar he looks great [ __ ] phenomenal. completely different style yep like he's. just accidentally knocked out a guy now. that was sick and then he felt bad about. it he was like holding his head I'm like.

oh such a good guy right that's awesome. to see but chaos him and then after. follow-up shot I was like oh you're okay. didn't know you were sleeping and then. you have Islam who I mean yeah how the. [ __ ] does that guy make 155. well you. stand next to him he's so big he looks. like he's 200 plus pounds yeah. he was coming he was knocking on my door. when I was fighting for the longest time. too and I was like these guys are all. coming man yeah they're all kind of all. coming right off at 170. Oh shot shot.

and he's fighting he's fighting Jeff. Neal which is very interesting that's a. good fight I hope they stand because. that's I mean if if you let Jeff Neal. have fun on the feet yeah that guy can. kick box man oh he's so accurate he's so. excited Mike Perry fight. that high kick that left high kick Mike. Perry's a maniac he is a maniac do you. know he's the backup for uh. good for you Mike Perry yeah good for.

him here's Shopko he can do it all man. he can do it all such a good Grappler. and Elite Striker throws a lot of. spinning kicks I called a couple of his. early fights and even then it was like. this this guy's going to be contending. for the belt the thing about Shopko is. he's not getting the shine that he. deserves you know I don't think people. understand how good he is right now in. terms of like his overall popularity. yeah yeah that's the problem with a lot. of these guys that's why they get slow. played the way they do it it's not.

talent I mean these these guys are the. future of the UFC no doubt about it but. you got to realize that the ufcs I mean. they're trying to promote things right. it's hard to promote when a guy's just. stoic like that and it's like listen I'm. not telling you to change anything but. you got you can see why you can see both. sides I'm like okay once they get to be. a champion though then it's okay yeah. because it's just like good luck Habib. yeah good luck trying to beat this guy. now the story is who the hell is going. to beat this guy to this day one of my. favorite moments at a weigh-in is khabib. before the Conor fight where he says to.

the audience I'm gonna smash smash that. boy. and he did and he did but it was just. that was like khabib trash talking which. you never heard yeah you never heard but. Conor brought it out of him that's it. and that's all he needed yeah a little. bit yeah I'm gonna smash your boy and. all the Irish people like no no no no. yeah there's not enough proper 12 in the.

world to. stop that dude from smashing you yeah. it's uh such an exciting time in terms. of like the possibilities the matchups. I'm I was very surprised that they. decided to do Islam make versus uh. volkanos right away too right away yeah. very surprised to the point where Volk. is. facing off of them that night yeah I. mean yeah that's a big fight though. we're gonna do a fight companion for. that. so that's on the 11th what's what else. is on the car yeah yeah right yeah yeah.

yeah. dude Jack Della Madeleine it that kid. that kid kids unbelievable bro he's good. and by the way Rude Boy Randy Brown is a. test that's great that's a great fight. yeah it's a great fight Randy Brown is. long and tall and very very talented. that's a true he's got a true test on. his hands now I like that fight a lot. and that's good for Randy too because. especially going down there if he goes. down there and he beats jack [ __ ] then. he can be like all right next fight I.

want something I want something big at. home you know what I mean yeah but you. almost have to do that in the UFC these. these young guys got to realize that. sometimes like. you want X Y and Z you you want the big. fights you want these matchups sometimes. you gotta suck it up and say all right. who do you got to give me where do I. gotta go because. it's not always going to be sunshine and. rainbow sometimes you got to go fight in. Brazil against the Brazilian sometimes. you'll have to go over this you know. down to New Zealand or go over I. remember fighting all over the place I. didn't give a [ __ ] as long as it was.

going to put me in a position to move up. the rankings and you know get more money. as well if you went to fight in Brazil. how much time would you give yourself to. adapt well I would do it all I would do. it all different than what I did when I. did do it because I only went I think I. went down like it left on like a Tuesday. to fight on a Saturday oh no and uh it. was uh not good. it's so hard just to adapt to the jet. lag yeah I was I was a mess for that one.

I was a mess for when I fought um when I. fought Edson the second time in Abu. Dhabi I left on Monday. to go fight on Saturday night and I. don't think I slept more than three. hours every night and I had the worst. weight cut of my life because of it I. remember calling my mom then like after. I had made weight and I don't remember. much of that conversation with my mom. not when she was like you need to. I want you to seriously consider not. doing this anymore oh my God you imagine.

that's your boy you talking to me your. son your son's about to fight in a cage. fight and he can barely talk yeah he's. cutting weight there's a couple of those. situations with the weight Cuts man the. the five day notice fight. um with RDA was. yeah I remember calling Christine who's. you know we're married now but at the. time we were I don't even think we were. engaged and I remember making her. can you can you go in the fridge and get. a can of Coke and pour it over ice for. me.

just to watch it that's how thirsty I. was I wanted to watch her pour okay this. is now granted this is like 12 30 in. Vegas so it's like three in the morning. back home I wake her up. to pour soda over ice for me Joe kind of. [ __ ] Maniac oh my God I found ASMR. videos of people drinking sodas you. could probably pull that up oh God. chugging ice cold soda so they have they. have the microphone like right on their.

throat so you can hear them gulping. these ice cold sodas now you gotta. realize I cut like 18 pounds or. something crazy and I'm dry heaving in. the bathtub and just watching all night. because Butler my manager for a while. was you know they're making sure I was. okay is this. you're thirsty you're so thirsty I just. want to be this guy oh he's gonna drink. it out of the bowl.

he's pouring he's pouring Fanta into uh. a bowl filled with ice that just sounds. he's gonna chug it he's gonna slurp it. all down blueberry Fanta I don't know. but I'm I didn't even know there was a. blue blue raspberry. oh wow I'm just gonna slurp it. oh how weird is that that that's a thing. that people love ASMR I I didn't know I. and I still don't watch any ASMR but at. the time I couldn't I couldn't stop.

watching it I didn't sleep one hour the. night that I I'm. so Friday or no Thursday into Friday. we did the whole way cut I still had. like a pound that I was hoping to float. which I did end up doing. but the whole night I was 156 and a half. or whatever I was and the whole entire. night I had a severe headache I was dry. heaving and watching. stuff like that so insane that Fighters.

will literally get to death's door 24. hours before you fight crazy. 25 minutes if there's a thing that I. could take away from fighting to to. eliminate that would be the thing. because I feel like it's sanctioned. cheating I feel like that's what it is. it's 100 I mean yeah it's what you're. doing it's 100 you know that you have to. wait 155. I was I mean I I would walk. into the cage 182 pounds so nuts so nuts.

but you pay a price for that yeah and if. out of all the things that you've done. that's the one thing that you think oh. man I I I and the reason. that I keep talking you know I've. thought about a comeback and we've kind. of teased it and everybody even the. coaches around me the reason they'd be. interested is because we want to see. what I'd be capable of. being a healthy fit if I could mix now. how I've learned to train my my system. with.

the triathlon training and having my. Triathlon coach this guy David Tilbury. Davis who I work he's. super science on everything right. breaking things down the mitochondria. and how you got to do Zone one works. versus this if I could mix that in with. my MMA training and start applying that. to grappling and sparring days because. you start thinking about athletes the. best athletes in the world and how they. prepare and then how they go and fight. we're so ass backwards and fighting it. makes no [ __ ] sense.

we're just beating the [ __ ] out of each. other and then showing up and hoping for. the best on fight day there needs to be. much you're seeing more of it now where. people are being a little more. scientific yeah with the approach but I. mean I would just for me when I was go. hard all the time five five minute. rounds then five five minute rounds in. the bag then five five minute rounds of. jumping rope go to bed eat 200 calories. wake up do it all over again and it's. like oh no wonder by four weeks in the.

training camp I wanted to you know I. didn't want to fight anymore. yeah it's like well now if you know but. what do you think you would try to weigh. now to to get down to 55. like right. around where I'm at now like 170. something yeah I mean I think I could. easily be walking around as I am now all. the time well well below 180 pounds well. look at Frankie Frankie won the title. Frankie was basically cutting no weight. when he beat BJ's probably eating to. even weigh 155 pounds back look he ends.

his career at 35. yeah which is pretty. wild you think that he was a champion at. 55. and fighting guys like Ben Henderson. who is Gray Maynard geez and he was just. solid man great man it was a big fella. he was big back then he was a big fellow. I mean now but even think now like. compared to the lightweights now he's. not even that big no no something like. well I mean Market Chef is so big who. else is lightweight [ __ ] squeeze I. mean what is his squeeze like you see.

his back when when he got that arm. triangle on Charles just the traps and. all that yeah you can tell when a guy. like Charles. Taps as fast as he did to that you know. that guy's got just a gorilla grip well. crazy his squeeze was evident in the. Drew Dober fight too because Drew dope. [ __ ] he's a girl tattoo and he's as. tough as they come look at somebody's. comeback fights that he's had recently. that last fight Bobby green holy [ __ ]. holy [ __ ]. he was styling on him yeah and it's like.

gross you can't sleep on Drew for a. second nope nope Drew caught him that. was one of the fights I always thought I. was gonna have and it never never turned. out his chin is like a [ __ ] fire. hydrant just he's such a giga Chad like. the way he's built right [ __ ] giant. head he's a guy in college if we were in. college together I would have [ __ ] I. would have hated that so now look at. this pretty boy he's so hands I hate him. got abs beautiful strong hair seems like. a nice guy [ __ ] yeah right got. everything going for him he must be a. piece of [ __ ] well I think he's uh you.

know I think that makacho fight ignited. something in him as well yeah I think. when you get the rub when you fight. someone who's that good and you realize. okay everything's another level I gotta. ramp it up sometimes people don't. realize what those levels are which is. why being around Elite Fighters is so. critical for a Fighter's early day. because you mirror the people that. you're training with yeah you know if. you were in a gym filled with Elite. assassins like you are forced to be at.

that level or you go home and you don't. come back you know what I mean you just. stop but you keep showing up bilal's. depiction of what it was like to train. with khabib and and be in that camp with. them and what those guys do he goes. they're crazy. but that's why they're so good he'd be. like we'd get done these you know he. told you these epic sessions and then. khabib would be like all right and then. he takes him for another like 25 minutes. just grinding on him after the fact he. was like the warm-up sometimes he said. we got a workout that's not the workout.

yeah push burn out push-ups and stuff at. the end two squats and planks yeah but. that's what it takes you know it was. interesting talking to we talked to Dan. ige it before his last fight. and he. it. he loves strength and conditioning right. and I did too when I was a fighter and. he felt very conflicted because you've. got a guy like Habib who's telling him. don't do like you don't need that stuff. you need to just do what he's doing but. what Dan realized and I think if you saw.

his last fight someone clicked in him I. think he's starting to trust himself. you can't always just emulate just. because somebody's the greatest ever and. you what works for Habib is not. necessarily going to always. work for you and he was like I needed to. do strength and conditioning I needed to. do this stuff because he was trying to. just do what other people were telling. him to do yeah for the longest time and. he was kind of falling short well George. came to that conclusion too George Saint. Pierre came to that conclusion he. decided at some point in time that. strength and conditioning wasn't. important yeah and what was really.

important was efficiency and just. technical proficiency strategy and. efficiency and movements yeah in his. martial arts movements I mean but. obviously you're coming you're talking. about a guy like George who's already in. Adonis yeah you know he's already very. strong and you know so he had this. physical strength already and to enhance. that and make himself even stronger is. not really going to improve his fighting. what really was improving his fighting. was just technique and efficiency yeah.

and getting better at yeah fighting. stuff yeah I uh and you're going to gain. strength. specific for Fighting by grappling right. you can't get some of those muscle. groups. the way that you need to get them to. fire the only way to do that is to just. freaking get that squeeze and you can do. that all day you know you can pull on. the bands and you can simulate a lot of. that stuff but there's nothing that's. ever going to replace trying to control. somebody with your legs and their upper. body and at the same time control your.

breathing and heart rate and try to then. squeeze it's just it's unlike. it's unlike anything else Eddie Bravo. used to always explain it like tying. your shoes he's like you got to get a. technique down to the point where you do. it automatically when you tie your shoes. you don't think about tying your shoes. no you just go yeah any entire shoes. he's like that has to be how your. Technique comes out you can't be like. consciously thinking about it while. you're applying it yep because you can. get it to that point and then it's. obviously when you're drilling it and.

executing constantly over and over again. you know some guys just have a tech. remember Paul sass yeah he had a. triangle from hell that [ __ ]. triangled everybody and everybody knew. stay out of a triangle didn't matter it. doesn't matter yeah he just had this in. that movement he had that movement down. so tight and so fluid and no matter what. that if you were in his garage and you. just slap that [ __ ] on you I. mean look at Habib and and Islam and you.

know they're going to try to take you. down right good luck yeah can't stop. they don't and they don't hide it I'm. going to take it down and miss my shoe. and I'm gonna check you out smash yeah. and he did it over and over and over. he's gonna do it yeah I mean who's been. more dominant in their career because. like he arguably lost a round versus. Conor and he had that difficult fight. with glaze and t-bow early in his career. yeah that was a close fight other than. that.

just uh. smash Fest. and you know you know a guy's dominant. when you talk about well so and so. lasted five rounds with him yeah he got. crushed yeah but he lasted Quinta. toughest [ __ ] talked about that Ally. Quinta gave a great account of himself. got that fight over me yeah oh that's. right I remember that that was one of. those weird ones where they told Max. Holly to stop cutting weight yeah that. was New York yeah dude they had they had.

all kinds of stuff going on to make him. make weight they had that room turned. into like a furnace I swear to God they. were bringing up like butane [ __ ]. heaters and [ __ ] into the room the hotel. they're just trying to hide it all in. the from the hotel lobby in New York but. they're bringing up all this stuff all. these heated blankets all this stuff and. I remember talking to those guys back. then he was I think he was gonna make. weight but the doctor once he saw all. that he's like I can't well you can't. allow this anymore the doctors if they.

saw that doctor saw everyone make weight. they'd stop it yeah this is what hamzat. said hamzat said he would have made. weight and by the way that was in New. York as well right yeah they could just. once they see it yeah they're gonna. because of corsets yeah and for our. health like it's [ __ ] horrible go go. cut four pounds it's bad for your health. yeah imagine what these guys are doing. especially Max in that particular. situation. I remember thinking it was a joke do you. remember it was like April 1st when the.

news came out. that that Max was stepping in who was. originally Tony Ferguson 24 his [ __ ]. knee. sunglasses he wasn't oh I said that I. said that and I apologize to Tony. because everybody thought that because. Tony wore sunglasses a lot but no he. just tripped over some [ __ ] loose. wires. God damn it that's so crazy I don't. think he was I don't think he was they. said he wasn't he tripped over some. [ __ ] wires he's probably kicking a. pole right before that but how crazy is.

that I tore his [ __ ] knee tripping. over some wires and it was April 1st. when the news came out about that right. and everybody's like no it's swear to. God it's not an April Fool's joke I. remember sitting in the basement at. Duke's thinking it was an April Fool's. show to this day I wish Tony fought. could be when Tony was in his prime. because Tony in his prime you know. people see him get knocked out by. Michael Chandler and they see him lose. to Nate they see these fights it's a. damn shame man it's that's a long road. of a a battered body from war 100 and if.

Tony Ferguson when he was at the top of. the Heap was a [ __ ] Boogeyman yeah he. was the boogeyman man he really was he. wasn't wearing much I wasn't wearing my. shades that actually had my prescription. sunglasses on oh well that's still. sunglasses. um that's still sunglasses Tony Tony. Ferguson Tony Ferguson the type of guy. to not be wearing sunglasses while. wearing sunglasses. those Tony Ferguson is the type of guy. memes are amazing I hope he takes that. and enjoys it and isn't mad about it but.

I feel like Tony he gets Ferguson he got. mad because I called him a brilliant. weirdo. it's so unusual I mean he's just his. style of moving and he'll catch you with. these weird punches and he would train. on a a wing Chung dummy yep uh Eddie. Bravo was working with him and uh they. were in Big Bear and he said Tony was in. such [ __ ] insane insane shape that. everybody else in Camp would like be. running Sprints Tony would lap them yeah.

he would run these Hills yeah run back. down while these guys were still running. and lap them going up the hills I forget. I forget who it was maybe Jeremy Stevens. went and trained with him for a little. bit and like hung out with him and he. would say that Tony would wake I think. it was Jeremy Stevens said but he would. be like man he'd just wake you up at. like two in the morning be like we're. going we're running and he would just go. and do this Floyd Mayweather yeah Floyd. may do that too he would go to a club. drink water hang out with everybody and. then run 10 miles home yeah but like. that's what it takes to be elite I just.

don't think Tony got his chance I mean. Tony beat Uh Kevin Lee and he you know. know he he beat some really good guys. and he won the interim title that's. definitely the fight that got away from. I mean got away that would have been a. real Jon Jones amazing and and Ghana was. another one now where we're all like. that might still happen that could still. happen but will it happen when they're. when we all want it to happen you know I. mean if it happens in four years from. now but it doesn't have to happen in. four years here's my thing again Mr. encano please hear me out this is I mean.

this is the Legacy for legacy and just. for all also money I think the big money. is. if he has an account what if he knocks. out dillian white right what if they. they set him up with some boxer who's an. elite boxer not Tyson Fury and he goes. and wins a big fight and God you got to. remember and ganu is. 265 ripped I couldn't wait to probably. be at 265. canned hams for fists yeah.

just giant just he's a [ __ ] specimen. and the power is extraordinary and if. he's just punching and not worrying. about takedowns if one of those look at. look at Wilder Wilder who's the greatest. knockout artist ever crazy greatest he's. one punch knockout artist I I would say. I mean there's you have your George. Foreman's and Mike Tyson have the most. beautiful combinations we've ever seen. the heavyweight division but Wilder just.

power blap did you see his last fight it. wasn't even moving away moving away he. hits this guy in the guys stiff he has. proposed that one Ortiz when he hit. Ortiz in the forehead but pull that up. pull up Wilder knocks out Ortiz because. he hit him and Ortiz is a durable guy a. tough guy and he had Wilder and some. trouble in that fight and Wilder just. blap yeah right in the forehead yeah you. can tell man that snaps back and Ortiz's. eyes are all about he's like what the.

[ __ ] just hit me those are the things. you can't train that is God's gift to. you and again it's that long frame like. yeah look at another lean oh my goodness. look at this watch this here it goes. again. bam. I mean look at our Channel. he's just like trying to put his mouth. his mouthpiece is in he's still trying. to find it his legs aren't moving he's. like wait a minute he's like what the. [ __ ] look at this look at his baby he's. like upset about it he's confused Wilder.

Preposterous power but it just goes to. show you like there's levels look at the. chin of Tyson Fury Tyson Fury the 12th. round that first fight drops it right. hand left hook and even does this like. it's over like I got him yeah I got him. nope Rises. I remember watching that one live and I. couldn't believe it I was like oh that's. it he's done in my bedroom screaming. alone in my bedroom screaming oh my God. he's winning the 12th round I was my.

wife was in the other room like what the. [ __ ] are you yelling at I'm like he's. winning the [ __ ] 12th round this is. insane he almost gets killed he gets. back up and he wins. Plan B option if usig fight fails to. happen is in ganu oh wow wow well the. USIC fight's gonna happen it's the most. important fight in boxing I think that. fight is gigantic because you got uzik. who's you know beats Joshua twice and. the best movement in boxing and skillful. he's a heavyweight lomachenko yeah and.

was the Cruiserweight Champion is an. undersized heavyweight and you got Tyson. who's as big a heavyweight as you're. ever going to see six nine long as [ __ ]. crazy agile with back fat like that. picture right there I couldn't tell him. look at that picture hands were falling. down or go back to that picture Jimmy. the picture just showed the USIC the. backup fight that he's a backup Fighter. the one that you just had up if you look. the rolls of fat off his back yeah. it's insane Peak Peak male performance.

you haven't fought the Gypsy King you're. crazy dude he's the [ __ ] best dad's. out of his mind I love him I love that. guy War Tyson Fury versus Alexander osik. headed to Wembley in April huge boost to. British boxing fans what a [ __ ] fight. that's gonna be my guy that's gonna be. amazing I just don't know if Lucy has. the size to deal with that guy. it's gonna be interesting to see and he. what strategy he employs whether or not.

he can avoid the big bombs and the the. reach and the length so long but not the. long lean type that we're talking about. a little different a little different I. mean he doesn't give a [ __ ] what his. body looks like he's just a fighter is. he still. you see sober is he not sober he's back. on the sauce now he just doesn't drink. in Camp yeah okay I mean I don't know if. he's sober I don't think he's sober he's. always well he's that's what I mean. that's why I'm asking I know he goes. back and forth on you know he's he's.

right in the head and then he's not and. then you'll see him in a clip and he's. had you know forces. well you know he's an inspirational. story I mean he really is I mean the guy. was like he he beats Vladimir uh. Klitschko he he becomes a heavyweight. champion and loses his [ __ ] mind yeah. he's drinking constantly almost. committed suicide was driving his. Ferrari thinking about just [ __ ]. driving off a cliff and then gets it. together and becomes a heavyweight. champion again and then wasn't fully all.

the way back when he fought Wilder yeah. and then fights Wilder in the rematch. and then now he's [ __ ] tuned up and. ready beats the brakes off a Wilder and. then the third fight Wilder catches him. with a bomb yeah that bomb that he. caught him where you see the fat Ripple. all the way down to his body any other. human any other human they're not. getting back up any other human nobody. punches like Wilder nobody because you. like like we talked it's just it's in. him it's not he's not doing something in.

the gym with the trainer to get that. kind of power that's you were born with. that gift it's also being a gypsy and. being around that [ __ ] Rough Tumble. brawling World his whole life his dad's. a fighter his brother's a fight. everyone's a fighter around him just. [ __ ] Savages just in the bones in the. bones gypsy people man whenever he talks. about retiring I'm like not yet don't do. it I I think that if he does beat USIC.

it's still possible because they're. gonna fight in April right unless ganu. decides to take a big money boxing fight. before that which I don't blame him for. doing. but God damn it if he beats usick that's. really the only compelling interesting. thing for him in that Division I mean. what else would be compelling the Joshua. fight not really not after the USIC. fights I mean unless Joshua comes back. because they're talking about Joshua. fighting Wilder right isn't that the.

talk no they're talking about Ortiz. fighting Wilder right no Ruiz Andy Ruiz. right that's what they're talking about. so Andy Ruiz we're talking about him. fighting Wilder if that's look Wilder. versus in Ghana would be crazy yeah that. would be crazy how about that fight I. just think as long as he gets. something yeah I just wanted to get that. you're going to leave that contract on. the table I hope you get some big big. fights man because that was a big yeah.

more money than any heavyweight before. but I think the sticking point I'm. talking out of school here because I. don't know just what I've read. um the sticking point I think was that. he wanted to be able to go off and do. boxing yeah it's his credit. he's like hey Conor McGregor did it why. can't I do it yeah and I get it. yeah I get it. I get it but if I'm getting yeah. hundreds of million dollars a fight. right on the table it's hard to a. hundred million dollars in the Floyd. Mayweather fight yeah and that's the.

generational wealth yeah like how do you. fight but he locked out where the UFC. wanted to partner with that and make. that happen right that's where that. whole situation and that's what angano I. guess wanted to and it's just like man. they probably did that one time and. we're like all right you know what yeah. that was a whole well it's also if the. boxer beats up the UFC fighter yeah how. many times you want to sign up for that. you can't get the boxer to fight UFC. yeah the thing is no one wants to do. that no one wants it which I I you know.

what drives me nuts though is these you. they still will go and talk all this. trash a lot of these boxes it's like you. guys know. that given a street fight rules you're. kidding you're asking I mean you're. getting your ass kicked I don't care who. you are an amateur fighter will kill you. yeah they're just going to take you down. you're getting you're getting choked out. yeah you'll get leg kicked you won't be. able to stop it take you sit there and. just do this to you for 25 minutes if. they want any like Elite imagine uh. imagine any Elite wrestler. that gets in there with a boxer the. boxer has zero chance of not being taken.

down literally zero unless that box is. like Crawford like Terence Crawford has. a background in wrestling then yeah then. yeah and if you don't know that yeah he. sprawls on you that one time no you can. you imagine the Panic that would say oh. my God I can't take him down and. unlocked oh no I gotta box this guy. that's a fight that we're missing out. too or him and Earl Spence that's a. fight we're missing out on that that. that bums me out.

I mean I with so much there's we have so. many fights now with the UFC that it's. even hard for me to to keep track of. it's very hard all the all the boxing. stuff that's going on oh my God we have. fights every weekend I keep track of. that I keep track of Jiu Jitsu I keep. track of all the elite kickboxers that's. why I was so excited when pajera fought. in the UFC I was talking about following. him for a while I was telling Dana a. while ago I was like this guy just. fought he just fought MMA like he's he's. back when he was still kickboxing so.

when that debut came up I I was excited. about that a friend of mine had been. telling me about him for a while he's. like you gotta watch this guy's style oh. yeah oh yeah yo I contacted Izzy way. before he fought in the UFC and I asked. him about it and Izzy played it real. smart he was like to give me a lot of. money to fight in China he's getting a. lot of money and he's like I want to do. this the right way yeah and get really. prepared and to his credit. then what's the point congratulations. you you got offered a UFC contract and. you just got wrestled to death exactly. exactly there's no point because he. turned it down a few times I think yes.

yeah they were trying to get him even. earlier but it does he did it the right. way he did it the right way you know. what these guys are going to try to do. if you come in with that kind of. kickboxing pedigree they're going to. take you down what do you think he does. in the rematch. what do you think he does differently. yeah he was he was doing really well and. he had hurt him really bad uh and then. almost had him stop right away I. couldn't believe it I was like oh my God. right hand left hook at the Bell. yeah. but but I came back in that second round. like it never happened yeah he's so big.

dude he's do you see when he's standing. next to Jamal yeah when him he's like. staring down Jamal melting his face. as soon as I saw that and I was I was. there and I didn't know what it hadn't. been translated yet I didn't know what. Clover was saying and he kept pointing. back at Alex and I'm like oh [ __ ] he's. setting up this fight now he's gonna. retire and he's setting up this fight it. wasn't what he was saying he was saying. he was going to focus on. at first I thought. Jamal's open to it oh man I love that I.

love Jamal man dude that guy. so good has a lot of potential and. getting better all the time and he took. that fight I mean he didn't have a full. training camp right and he still fought. five hard long rounds against extreme. Pace adorable sons of [ __ ] yeah. Jamal he's been saying that since the. beginning like when even when he was on. Contender series and we were talking to. him he's like I know I'm known for these. Knockouts but he was telling everybody. listen I got really good jiu jitsu.

finally got to show it I mean if you can. escape those positions in a title fight. against somebody like Glover Tashara in. Brazil and get out and do it again yes. and did you see the Yuri prohaska thing. oh my God so find Yuri Pro the Yuri. prohaskar and Jamal's reaction to Yuri. where are you at though. see it Jamal's so funny he's funny on. his low-key funny too the way he it's. just that subtle that subtle funny.

because I saw him we were upstairs at. the hotel because all our flights were. leaving like crazy late from Brazil and. he had seen that video. and he's like where is he getting the. internet out there he's like is he. watching the fight out in the woods is. he watching it or did he watch it and. then go out into the woods I'm like yeah. I'm not sure yeah see fine yeah that's. it play this live so we can hear it. play it. no do it redo it so we can hear the.

whole thing we can get it. okay. congratulations. he's out in the snow. I'm coming. I'm coming. no but then Jamal's response to that. they have it back to back here goes. but where you at though. where you at though. by the way.

that's what she said. [Laughter]. but where you at he's the man he's a man. and you know you talk about a guy who's. got crazy power too and and just. intelligence of how to get that [ __ ]. power to your chin I think that's this. crap it was underrated and now I think. after this this last fight people are a. little more aware of that but he's very. calculated very very calculated Striker. even though it looks like it's coming. from unorthodox angles when I talk to.

him afterwards the head kick was planned. like they they knew in order to switch. Southpaw seamlessly without kind of. giving everything away that was their. plan was like all right when we switch. Glover's gonna see we're switching so. what are we going to do to kind of. stifle him for a second so that we can. transition into that left best thing you. can do man is just throw a bomb because. you have to address the head kick you. throw a body kick a guy like Glover. what's he gonna do catch it he's gonna. catch you he's gonna take down even if. you heard him he's going to drive. through and potentially get the takedown.

you throw it to the head you're not. catching head kicks yeah unless you get. lucky it bounces off and they you know. Tree Top you but chances are they're. gonna go like this yeah it was. interesting because he caught him a. couple times that head kick and wobbled. gloves he's got like a size 16 foot so. think about it Glover's blocking it the. big old foot is just wrapping around the. side of his head you know better than. anybody even if you block it just it. rattles you yeah it rattles everything. and I was even saying on the broadcast. that it's a good idea even if it doesn't.

hit his head for people at home we were. talking about the leg kicks go ahead. like this and let me take a baseball bat. yeah block this baseball bat right it's. gonna hurt even on your forearm by the. way he he kicks harder than you can. swing a baseball bat too yeah people. need to know that dude because it's. coming from down here and your leg is. bigger than a baseball bat and. especially if someone has like real. power in their hips and knows how to. really swing it I think he needs to keep. developing that oh my God keep.

developing that left kick and get a. little more flexible because he you. could tell he's just hammering it up. there yeah it's like if he starts. working that and get sneaky behind maybe. setting it up with kind of like Leon did. against Kamara where you set it up with. that that uh that cross kind of pumping. so many good fights in that weight class. right you have Yuri who's coming back. gets the shoulder surgery which. hopefully not too soon though man right. because apparently that was a pretty. devastating injury that he had I don't. know what he all tore in there but will.

you tell the story what happened because. it's kind of crazy you know the story. with Yuri no his shoulder gets out of. socket in training camp like which is. dangerous enough right like so his Camp. they try to put the shoulder back. they're yanked on and they tear it to. shreds so the doctor the UFC doctor said. it was the worst shoulder injury he'd. ever seen that's what I had heard that's. not I forgot that they said that yeah. people trying to put it back in place. everybody just sees a video of a doctor. doing that it's like well you have to.

also recognize too and I hope Yuri knows. this and if he doesn't maybe he's. listening your muscle tissue will heal. faster than your connective tissue your. tendons and your ligaments you feel good. but it's not ready that's why guys blow. out their ACL again after doing it like. they get their surgery I'm good to go. yeah yeah no man you're not good to go. Ed Herman did that right he gets the ACL. surgery recovering from ACL surgery. feeling pretty good blows it out again. that's really common because the.

ligaments even though they feel ready. the tissue around them is strong the. action cells are not they take a long. time the blood supply is very weak um. that's one of those injuries that you. know. shoulders are right shoulders and ACLS I. mean I had minor injuries throughout. fighting to my knee thank God like. meniscus stuff that they go in and yeah. but your knees kind of compromised out. to this to this day because I'm missing.

the whole. inside part of it basically if I'm just. standing around I can kind of like shake. it I can feel that it's yeah it wobbles. I have not missing out on my inside of. my left leg too yeah it wobbles there's. no cushion there yeah I got an. insufficiency fracture from skiing. because I fell and my knees clashed into. each other because there's no ligament. on there's no meniscus on that side and. there's a crack I was like some yeah. that makes sense yeah even if you run. too much with no meniscus which is.

probably what I'm doing to myself at the. at the moment I'm sure you did my hip. some you know like your hip bone what. runs across that is that part of your it. man that runs a CR like literally across. your. I don't know do you get it worked on do. you get it looked at I'm so bad at all. that stuff man are you you just ignore. it I'm just gonna. I'm good to go you're saying that about. blood work like if I don't want to look. at it oh man. like Christine is she's like you need to. go get your your kidneys looked at I'm.

like I don't is it bothering you do they. bother you some. sometimes I got a little twinge back on. the right side here and I think it's. did you ever get kidney stones never had. kidney stones but I did have uh like I. had the rhabdo. um after the hooker fight and I was. that's scary and Coca-Cola and that's. how I knew and I mean. blood what did they do to fix the RAB. dough flush the [ __ ] out of me with IVs. basically and made me wait in the.

hospital until my levels in the blood. they kept just taking little samples of. blood wrap those something that a lot of. CrossFit people get yeah you just work. your you work your muscles so bad they. start to break apart and like like uh I. forget what starts to go poisons your. blood basically yeah basically. rhabdomyolosis right that's right. Rhabdomyolysis something like that but. it's very sketchy stuff yeah it looks. like you're peeing straight Cola well. that's that when people say oh there's.

no such thing as over training. you can literally destroy your kidneys. from doing it yeah you could die and you. could die and I think a lot of it for me. was it was because of the damage to my. actual muscles which was causing and. because it wasn't the wake up for that. one that one I was dialed in for that. one so I know it wasn't putting too much. strain that but 25 minutes of a dude. hammering your calf calf starts to break. it was probably starting to break apart. it almost had compartments this is the.

hooker fight this is the hooker fight. yeah and I broke my orbital Jesus that's. a lot of stuff going on oh dude this. time I was seeing like uh I was getting. um. double vision it's fine since retiring. it's finally going away but if I look to. my right even now like if I was looking. at you this eye would start to kind of. do its own thing a little bit not. anymore though it's been good when the. law was telling me about getting his. surgery and when he got poked yeah and. then he [ __ ] up the other eye as well.

it's like you realize these guys you. know about that guy that Russian cat. that's fighting the UFC just signed to. me has one eye oh I saw I saw that yeah. I didn't know he had one eye though I. thought it was just discolored no no. it's useless it's gone yeah his right. eye and I guess they're gonna let him. fight which I always thought that. Bisping game the system which I think he. did yeah he kind of like yeah you know. well Bisping would pretend that he could. see out of it so he would memorize the. eye chart. and so it was [ __ ] how tough is that.

guy he's a g bro how tough is that guy. if guy fought 11 fights in the UFC. including winning the world title and. defending the world title with one eye. with one eye [ __ ] animal [ __ ]. animal it's so crazy you'll be sitting. on which side is it which side is it on. it's his right eye and man like he'll. he'll bump in I mean it's legit yeah. like for anybody that's doubting Michael. no he literally cannot see eye yeah and. I remember when it went bad the Vitor. fight yeah Vitor had kicked him and.

worse for where is that was. that was back in the days where they. allowed them to do testosterone. replacement therapy which is so cool I. need some testosterone it's like you. don't need that much well that was which. was crazy about MMA is that you know. it's such a new sport is that there was. so much shenanigans that was allowed. yeah like look if they started the UFC. today if the the sport started from. scratch do you think they'd allow.

extreme weight cutting no they would if. you were going to start it from the. beginning there'd be hydration testing. yes they would do I don't know how one. FC is doing it because apparently I'm. one of the most recent one FC cards nine. people failed their weight their weight. because they're trying to yeah yeah. they're trying they didn't make weight. so like I don't know what the [ __ ] do. you do with that and when I'm looking at. those guys in one FC I'm like I'll go to. your drug test. well that's where it's like wait a. minute right we're worried about them. cutting weight meanwhile these guys are.

taking yeah every supplement known to. mankind it's like I don't know if he. should be worried about the weight. cutting including diuretics yeah if. you're well maybe not if they're doing a. hydration test well. yeah I don't know I was talking to Eddie. a while ago about it when he was. fighting for one FC and he was kind of. talking about uh. how he had to. do the weight cut thing and how much you. had to weigh but I I don't remember all. the specifics but I know it's. you have to have a certain level in your.

urine or something like that so that. they know but. that he fought in his first his first. one fight what's his name nasty you can. is that his name oh I don't even. remember I think it's Timothy I think is. literally the first letters of his name. are nasty. is that is it uh Eddie Alvarez he fought. this [ __ ] animal it's like you need. to know yeah oh yeah look at nasty you. can where is he from. oh Russia yep Russia of course [ __ ].

tank so big he was so big and you know. when you saw the size of that. [ __ ] that's natural ruthless. Striker ruthless [ __ ] Striker but. it's like uh is he was he the one that. was crushing at his legs too he stopped. Eddie he stopped Eddie and Eddie's first. fight back. first fight there but he's tough dude. I've trained I've changed him tough as. [ __ ] [ __ ] animal but you know I mean. look how big nasty you can is look he's. taller than him thicker than him he's a.

big [ __ ] I mean look Eddie you. know fought 55 in the UFC that guy looks. like a big 170. yeah I mean he's a big. [ __ ] fella but that's my point is. that there's Talent all over the world. now yeah there's not like the. world-class town is not limited to the. UFC we're getting these guys that enter. into the UFC and their Elite already. they already have they're 20-0 some of. these guys or 19 and two some crazy. records like yes yes. that [ __ ] cat that just fought.

um that just knocked out Terence. McKinney in Brazil. um uh Bond theme Brothers holy [ __ ] you. want to talk about a guy that showed up. and just had done his homework oh my God. for that fight bro and McKinney's a bad. [ __ ] dude McKinney when he put. it on Drew Dober and almost had Drew. Dober out in that fight and showed how. durable Drew Dober is and Drew Dober. recovered and survived and went up. winning the fight I was like damn. McKinney's a future Champion but this.

[ __ ] guy this guy bonfim is a monster. and his brother's so Savage as well you. see his brother was watching back there. look at that flying right on the neck I. talked to Terence after that and I was. like he's like bro thank God that hit me. here he's like my teeth would have been. gone yeah because he didn't have his. mouth at that time which I was wondering. why the referee didn't put the. mouthpiece back in because there was a. lot of time there between the mouse. piece falling out they could yeah we. said it we're like why wouldn't you put. this in here but. what a brilliant fly knee though I mean.

the way he set it up shows him the right. switch knee and you know that was what. uh for us a hobby was talking about when. he when he um Justified the stoppage. with Israel versus uh pajera he was like. nobody has a better switch knee. when you're if you're lingering your. head in front of that dude that mother. about the fight now because you're not. coming you're not going to come back the. same person after a knockout like that. because you're already messed up yes and. then you let paida smash you in the face. powerful moves in all of MMA yeah no if.

you watch his fight with Jason wellness. and Glory where he stops Wellness with. that flying knee his [ __ ] and the. first fight he had in the UFC where he. knocked that cat out with flying knee. and that guy taking him down a bunch and. then it just all takes one of those. that's a game changer yeah but these. guys like bonfim and his brother his. brother the other bomb theme it's Israel. and Ishmael Ishmael and Gabriel Gabriel. and Gabriel won by guillotine I mean. both those guys [ __ ].

and both against legit dudes yeah um. Gabriel fought um munir lizez yes he's a. good yes. he made him shoot he made him Panic. shoot yep he pressured the [ __ ] out of. him and he made him and it that's his. thing he's like God yeah and it's funny. they're both so well-rounded but you can. tell Gabriel forces guys into these. grappling exchanges whereas Ishmael you. can tell that dude just wants to take. your head off but both can they can both.

do either one both either one and also. like the movement and management of. distance is [ __ ] phenomenal like. Elite world class I mean that's what I. said when you watch that fight I'm like. you're watching these guys in their. debut fighting because they've been. tested against legit Talent if you look. at the records of the guys they fought. they fought some legit dudes whereas. back in the day. you know you could be 10-0 getting into. the UFC and you didn't fight you might. have fought one or two guys at the end. there to get Joe Silva's attention back.

in the day because I remember when you. were trying to get in he'd be like can. you you got to go beat somebody right. for me to sign you you could be 15-0 but. if you're beating a bunch of guys that. are all Owen ten what we're you're gonna. get here with a great record and then. get murdered Joe's Hill was so brutal he. was so brutal he sent my ass to Brazil. because we begged for a guy that was in. the top 15 he's like sure here you go. Gotta Go Fight Maser and Duba down. anybody else he's like that fight or no. fight yeah okay but I guess you kind of.

have to be like that but then if you got. hurt though and I had a good. relationship with Joe but one time when. I hurt my knee I had to pull out he's. like. unbelievable you're hurt you gotta pull. out great. I tore my Meniscus what do you want me. to do it I had a bucket handle tear I. was at Cowboys Ranch doing this I was. Wheeling around in a chair because I. couldn't stand up yeah those are the. bucket handle tears what I had they. locked up it locks up that's horrible. terrible feeling I tried to rehabilitate.

mine I actually got it stitched up yeah. because there's the same knee that I. tore my ACL and I got it stitched up but. you you just can't the meniscus just. goes man yeah once it's just wear and. tear man do you know they're doing. meniscus Replacements now yeah backpacks. whatever meniscus now they're taking but. apparently as you get older it's less. and less effective yeah because it. probably won't yeah take blood flow it's. just blood flow thing but I always. wonder like that when they say blood. flow are they talking about that for.

elite athletes like how much blood flow. are we talking about if you're talking. about for a regular person maybe because. they're not training and they're not. going to rehabilitate it to the extent. that like a guy yeah my mom right. versus us getting one who are going to. go and work out every day it's going to. be a different different situation yeah. um but I don't know just what I mean I. always just thank God for medical. science because just think about I have. both my ACLS reconstructed I would be a. hobbling mess of a man if I lived at any.

other time yeah my friend Steve you'd be. broken be broken I wouldn't be able to. do it and I could do everything it's. crazy I mean I'm 55 and my body works as. good as it worked when I was 30. which. is nuts with hormone replacement and. stem cells and peptides and all this. [ __ ] it's amazing what you can do now. when I was a kid I thought of a 55 year. old man like that's a dead man oh yeah. that's not a guy with a six-pack who's. throwing kettlebells around like that. that's it's a totally different world it. is it is different I mean I I felt the. same thing like if you thought of.

somebody that was even over 45 I'd be. like oh man not you know time to settle. in and when I was a kid when I was 18. years old I used to work at an athletic. club I worked at the Boston Athletic. Club and Bobby Orr used to come in and. work out and Bobby Orr who's one of the. greatest hockey players that's ever. lived Bobby Orr can barely walk yeah. he's a poor guy because he's had those. old school surgeries where they would. cut your leg open like a fish yeah. you're screwed bolt things down and. staple it together well Bobby would get. on the Versa climber machine and we.

would have to help him get on this. machine because his his legs would go. this is the range of motion it goes from. this to this yeah he I mean never fully. extended either look at that's his knee. bro when you see it in real life it's a. brain yeah it's horrible and again he. I'm sure he probably has knee. Replacements now but like when they. worked on his knee back then look it's. black and white photos look at his knees. there that photo there with the two of. them with the see the big scarred the. the color one down there don't make me.

bust out the [ __ ] I don't think that. sounds no it just says old guy hockey. old guy hockey knee replacement yeah. that's but those big slices like that. well they do knee Replacements now. um you know Kelly Starr who's a uh a. very famous strength and interesting. coach he blew his knee out and. eventually got a a knee replacement and. he says it's amazing he said he could do. everything with it and Michael Bisping. both guys he's got two of them yeah. um old guy hockey I think for me it's.

always it's just going to be my hip. someday it's gonna go no doubt have you. got any stem cells in there no oh you. should. you'd be amazed you'd be amazed at what. they can do. get take a trip down to Colombia my. friend I see everybody yes now yeah well. you know algeman's doing that right now. algeman there was an article I read this. morning Al Jermaine is trying to avoid. bicep surgery he has a torn biceps and. uh he's going down to Columbia right now. to uh get his shot out because they're. trying to get him to uh fight um they're.

trying to get him to fight uh Henry. sahuto yeah in April sooner than he. wants yeah right so here we are right. now we're in February. March April yeah I don't like it let's. say next week I'm off to Medellin. Colombia for bio accelerator stem cell. treatment program very optimistic this. will get me back and ready to compete. sooner than later. well this is where I'm a big fan of the. Conor McGregor approach to avoiding the. usata testing pool yeah you know I mean.

just to heal up I don't know what Connor. did I don't know what's happening when. he's outside of that pole but I've never. seen a guy get that big before that big. and um. you'll just recover from a broken Shin. like it was no big deal I mean look at. Chris Weidman yeah he was having all. kinds of complications with that thing. that's not an easy surgery to come back. from and infections and stuff like that. can start to happen look at Luke. rockhold who couldn't even get over a. staph infection that is still he still. puts on sleeves on that chin that's yeah.

it's crazy but that is better than the. brick the break the the brake is very. it's very rare that someone comes I mean. Anderson is the only guy that's really. come back widen it still hasn't come. back no he hasn't had a fight since that. that fight with Uriah. I mean it's uh it's a devastating move. and also Tyrone spawn when he fought. gokan saki same thing that's just it's. horror it's like nightmare fuel very. very scary like that and as a fighter. that you have.

nightmares about about that the first. time that happened in the UFC was Corey. Hill and I remember. at the referee stop the fight yeah. because the referee I don't know. recognized it yet he recognized it. eventually but he didn't he step back on. it too yeah they always do the worst. they always do because it's your. instinct you don't even know smack well. you don't know it's broken yet you just. know it hurts I mean how many times does. it hurt and not break you know that's. the thing about Shins It's like when I. haven't they haven't had any uh crazy uh.

what is it called when it pops through. this compound fractures. wideman's popped out the back of his. life yeah popped out the back of his cap. I mean Chris has been how many years out. now is it two that's been a while man. when was the Uriah Hall fight I want to. say it was 20. I want to I want to say. it was 20 20. it might be more than two. years. 2020 or 2021 I mean first kick he throws. full blast just snap oh God 21 April of.

2021 so yeah we're closing it on two. years now and still hasn't been able to. come back. [ __ ] man. Chris Weidman is that's another guy man. when he was in his prime he was such a. [ __ ] dude I mean to take out. everybody when he beats Silva though. that was when we were all like man. nobody's going to be this guy can't beat. this guy we just can't beat this guy and. he was beating Luke rockhold and he.

throws a wheel kick isn't that wild that. that one kick which by the way not a. good kick either he's not good at it. it's not as you're a wrestler Chris yeah. I mean why did he decide to do that and. then he gets taken down and smacked and. Rook Luke rockholt's top came crushed. him oh his top game is [ __ ] nasty. yeah what he did to Lyoto Machida yeah I. was I was in the stands for that one I. was watching that one look Chris Weidman. was a bad [ __ ] Christman it is. yeah Chris Weidman was such a bad.

[ __ ]. so bad and then he gets wrestled down he. gets taken down and just destroyed I. mean it's such a bad kick and Luke. rockhold when he gets on top of you he's. one of the worst guys to ever have on. top of you the David Branch fight when. he got on top of him and smashed him I. mean Luke was so [ __ ] good at top. game his his [ __ ] Jiu Jitsu is so. underrated. I mean I don't even say it's underrated. yeah he's good he if he had just.

completely concentrated only on Jiu. Jitsu I think Luke could have been a. world-class Jiu Jitsu competitor yeah. he's so [ __ ] strong and he came up. with that camp with DC he came Velasquez. so he's like in there with these Elite. heavyweight wrestlers all the time he. just loves he loves that left kick as. well isn't it crazy though that like one. fight like that with Weidman just. changes the trajectory of his career. before that he's this Destroyer the. Leota machidified I said a girl like. remember that fight he gets Leo down in.

just smashes yeah. Jesus Christ. was so mentally tough and so [ __ ]. good at everything great Striker great. wrestling tough as [ __ ] Nails it's. almost like you you get these one moment. where things don't go right and then you. can't I don't know if it's the. competition around you sees a weakness. in you and then they aren't as. intimidated by you and then starts to. but I think it also is just this game.

is. so young and people are getting so good. so [ __ ] fast man like. nowadays these kids it's unbelievable. Junior 19 years old he's not even 18. 18. years old fighting in the UFC and oh. he's fighting he's got a good fight too. he's fighting Christian uh Christian. Rodriguez yeah who I trained with at. Rufus support for years very good that's. gonna be a good fight very good fight. yeah that kid is he had a little stumble.

on the contender Series where he didn't. make weight didn't get signed on that. and then he lost his debut up at 45 to. uh Jonathan Pierce right Jonathan JSP. um. and but his last fight he looked. unbelievable the kid can grapple kids. got unbelievable kickboxing I think he's. training with Henry sudo and those guys. now out in Arizona when you're that good. at 18 they're throwing you right to the. wolves it's just like what the sky's the. limit for these guys and then you know.

there's a bunch of guys like that out. there that are fighting in LFA that are. fighting in this organization they're. just going to these gyms going to these. Mega gyms and just if you watch a. practice. the mats are filled with these you're. like what beating beating up some UFC. pros and stuff and nobody knows who they. are yet because they've grown up. we that's all they know right they don't. know oh yeah I did Taekwondo as a kid. and then I did some boxing and then I. did X Y and Z it's like no I do MMA and. they get to watch all the best fighters.

ever if you go back to like the early. days of the UFC like what are they. basing their Style on yeah I mean they. basically figuring it out yeah they were. figuring it out as they went along and. it's also a thing with Fighters where. when you were operating at like [ __ ]. redlining at this you only have a. certain amount of years like I think. there's like a principle that a lot of. people try to apply I don't think it's. Universal but it's a nine-year thing. that as an elite MMA fighter you really. only have like nine years yeah nine. years where you just at the top and then.

eventually like Tony Ferguson or fate or. Fedor is another great example of that. yeah where you're the the goat you're. the one of the greatest heavyweights and. then just like you're getting the wheels. falling getting beat up yeah I feel like. if you go back to those days the early. days of Pride that the Fedor that was. dominating people in Pride was one of. the most impressive Fighters that has. ever [ __ ] lived yeah God damn he. could do it all he could catch you with. arm bars off of his back he would.

recover from being taken down and. immediately rolling a Kimura like the. Randleman fight he gets smashed on his. neck yes it looked like he was gonna. yeah look like you the person should be. dead should be looking at a dead body. and then armor and you know again it's. like you only have so many years that. you can operate at that level how many. training camps can you get through how. many how many times can your body take. that kind of punishment where you got to. get out you got to get out even when. maybe you think. oh I got a few more fights like there's.

no doubt in my mind I have. five more fights that I could have done. how old are you now 38 38. so you still. it seems like the back of your [ __ ]. head out a little bit of a little bit of. an ember back there no it's I mean it's. it's always but it's always going to be. that listen I'm trying to start an. acting career I'm trying to do a. triathlon career I'm trying to be a. commentator. uh yeah I got to I think well you know. what I'm I'm lucky though man because. you you can see why guys overstay their.

welcome yes you got to make [ __ ] it you. gotta make money it's your job yes yes. you didn't know anything else anymore. yeah and then suddenly everybody's like. retiring it's like screw you what do you. mean. I'm 38 I'm 37 or 40. it's like what do. you mean retire what am I going to do. now right so you see why guys it have to. fight past that I was super super lucky. and blessed to get the commentary job. where I can think okay.

do I want to keep fighting why am I. still fighting and I just didn't see a. picture for the belt anymore and if I. don't see a picture for the belt I. always told everyone around me my mom my. loved ones I said if I don't think that. I can fight and win the championship. I'll retire and that day came there's. fights where guys take that one too many. fights and it's just like you see it. coming like with Frankie it was Chris. Gutierrez yep it was like Chris. Gutierrez is so slick he's so like that. fight.

I love watching Chris fight Chris is so. [ __ ] smooth and Technical I just love. his style man like his movement style. and all the the Jukes and fakes and just. and and you're talking about a guy. who has unbelievable knees and that's. been in his career yes and you match him. up with Frankie yeah and he catches him. with the perfect knee and flat lines. them for his life with his kids in the. audience like oh and that's the other. thing A lot of people are like why don't.

you come back and do a retirement fight. I'm like why so I can get knocked out in. front of everybody no I like what you're. doing I like I like that you found a new. thing to do never been knocked out. that's amazing never been knocked out. yeah. the only stoppage was due to uh. the cut it's the only time. Ronaldo oh peeled my whole face almost. dude you could see the whole yeah. yeah well that's a that's a an amazing. accomplishment to fight the guys that.

you fought got fight at some Barboza. twice Barbosa switch kick to this day. when he was in his prime Barbosa had the. craziest switch kick I think I've ever. seen in my life it wouldn't be like oh. you're watching a video and Frames were. removed or something like how is it that. fast and that's exactly how it feels. because you're fighting you can move. along but it was interesting that like. his hands never really matched the level. of his kicks no really wild right yeah I. mean. he punched me.

a couple times I mean as Square on the. jaw as you can hit somebody and it's. like. I was never worried about his punches it. was just it was just his kicks and his. knees yeah everything like even against. the fence if you're you're you know. grappling for position and he just kind. of dig a few in you're like. yeah well that was one one of the times. when I knew how special khabib truly was. was when khabib got a hold of him and. you saw this look on edson's face like. this thousand yard stare like what the. [ __ ] I I thought the same thing that's.

when I was like okay. uh. I tried to do that and that ain't easy. to do to that guy and I've trained with. this and after the fact that I fought. him the first time and he's not an easy. guy to like hold down I mean he's strong. as [ __ ] yeah. and then you see habib's just like boom. I'm just sitting there just smashing him. just had so much control and power what. do you think happens to Jon Jones when. Jon Jones gets up to heavyweight we've. never seen him fight I've heard all the.

training room stories about him Ragdoll. and heavyweights John at heavyweight is. going to be even better because he's not. diminished by making that cut yeah 205. and John's always I mean he definitely. has a frame for a heavyweight and he. looks good now he's 254 253 big as [ __ ]. I'm I'm excited about it because. towards the end of his light heavyweight. reign. I know he's kind of playing with his. food a little bit out there right and. had that fight where.

you know a lot of people think he lost. but really I think a lot of it was just. him being lazy to be honest with you now. at heavyweight. I think I think we're going to see him. come out and try to well hopefully make. some freaking statements well it's also. he has been out for all these years you. know he's been how many years now it's. been two plus years yeah since he's. fought and you know you wonder does he. have ring rust does he does he come back. hungrier and also I definitely don't. think he has ring rust but he's dealing. with the most mobile and agile.

heavyweight in the business. three years wow February 2020 wow and. the Dominic Reyes fight the last fight. that he had arguably lost that decision. I mean in the moment people many times. in the moment I thought he lost it. you know John is famous for doing just. enough in training and with some of. those guys that's what I'm saying I. think at heavyweight hopefully. well he's training with sirudo which I. really like yeah at least he's doing. some of his camp with sahuda which I.

really Henry sahuto is a goddamn genius. he's a fight genius well I mean you got. a guy who. Olympic champion. then double Champion clearly the man. understands Combat Sports he knows on. another level he knows how to win and he. knows how to win Mighty Mouse told me. when he went to train with him he said. he was so impressed by how systematic he. was and the the game plan the strategy. and how he he puts everything together. he said I've never seen anybody that's. so meticulous in their preparation yeah. and you see you see that even in the.

fighters that he's training now and. that's why I'm excited to see him come. back I mean put all the cringe stuff and. all that whatever that's kind of funny. right yeah that's his whole that's his. whole thing but. um his skills are undeniable undeniable. I mean the way he chopped down Dominic. Cruz I was like oh my God oh my God we. beat the [ __ ] brakes off of TJ. Dillashaw oh my God yeah oh my God I. mean he's a monster and the fact that he. comes back from Mighty Mouse beating him. in the first fight quick stopping him. early with needs of the body and you.

know and then comes back and beats him. in the sacrifice after getting his calf. kicked out from under remember he got. that drop foot that was one of the first. times where we saw that where I was like. what the hell is that looks like his. ankle's broke and then he yeah he came. back in one decision. he knows how to win. um I love him and algerman that is a. very fascinating fight because Al. Jermaine's strength is his grappling you. know Al Jermaine when he gets your back. dude there's not a better [ __ ] person. in any division Al Jermaine that. backpack whoa yeah it's unbelievable he.

looked against TJ he looked against TJ. like obviously TJ had a [ __ ] up. shoulder in that fight but but aljame. looked like a dominant Champion yeah he. looked like he's coming into his own I. mean he's the perfect bill for 35. [ __ ] shredded shredded at 35. yeah so. muscular and strong and so [ __ ] so. talented and all she's confident. everything's together yeah and he's from. the distance which is he's so good with. his kicks right and that's something he. works on constantly because when you. think about it if you're a really strong.

Grappler and you're a guy who you wanted. to get to the ground you've got a great. wrestling base. why wouldn't you work on. having those kind of weapons those long. range weapons like come on you try you. try to close the distance on me because. if you don't I'm just going to sit out. here and I'm going to kick the [ __ ] out. of you literally with my kicks front. kick the [ __ ] out of your body I'm gonna. front kick you I'm gonna roundhouse kick. you I'm gonna learn some spinning kicks. he was working I saw him doing a little. bit of like traditional martial arts at. the Apex but that's genius yeah because. you're forcing. your opponents to have to close the.

distance and you're a freaking wrestler. well cowboy was always so good at that. cowboy would throw high kicks because. his guard was so good people forget in. the early days of cowboys he wanted you. to yeah he won he was triangling the. [ __ ] out of people Cowboys grappling is. so underappreciated for all the amount. of times that I have been choked. by Donald Cerrone those legs. and you go at his Ranch and he's up at. freaking elevation in Edgewood New. Mexico so you're training at like 7 500.

feet above sea level coming from Philly. and then this dude's wrapping triangles. and body Triangles around you and just. talking [ __ ] to you the whole time. you're like God damn I hate him is it. the size of him now yeah he's yoked up. right now I commented on this thing I. was like do you even lift dude like what. are you doing he comments on all my [ __ ]. he's like nope nope that's where we're. different I ain't doing any of that [ __ ]. he's not lifting no of course he's yeah. he's definitely that's why I made a joke. now he's he's got to be 200 pounds now.

he's [ __ ] gigantic yeah that photo of. him with the was wearing a tank top and. you look at his mask and he was never. like that he couldn't he couldn't gain. weight to save his life yeah back in the. day now you get older man Mexican. supplements bro and some you know look. at proper [ __ ] neck on him yeah look. at his neck that's preposterous coach. Ray. look at that yeah it's um it's an. interesting time man it's an interesting. time to be a commentator it's an.

interesting time to be a fan you know. it's just so much talent and so much. going on and this is the only sport. really In Our Lifetime where you can go. back 20 years and it's almost. unrecognizable yeah the difference in. the talent level between 2000 and 2023. is so extreme it's so different to watch. how good guys have gotten and how. everywhere yeah they're good everywhere. everywhere from the kids can do a flying. knee a flying triangle and then.

hit you with just a beautiful double leg. and transition seamlessly in their. wrestling and they know how to do it on. the fence they know. and then you hate it it's it's such a. it's amazing it's really and you gotta. Wonder like what are we looking at 10. years from now I mean when you got these. Bond theme dudes coming in that are you. know one fight in the UFC and he looks. like a world champion it's going to be. it's gonna you're gonna see some crazy. good fights and some crazy finishes man.

I think. because as long as the competition keeps. getting up like that you're not I mean. sometimes you're going to catch. but like McKinney to do that yes I know. do that to McKinney and to catch them. like that and you know McKinney to his. credit like what a what a Class Act he. is like after the fight Jon Shots with. him and then posts it you know and and. post a photo of the two of them together. good for him he's such a great character. he's a good kid he's just he's so young. I mean these guys they take losses now.

it's like they're just you just don't. want to see too many of those kind of. Knockouts early in the kids career too. it's like. pull up that card uh that March card. please the the one in Vegas because that. whole [ __ ] card is crazy stacked this. is March 4th yeah the whole card is so. [ __ ] stacked I'll be in Vegas for. that one not working but I'll be doing. uh I'm doing like a triathlon camp out. there. versus Alexa Grosso that's a great fight. Jalen Turner yeah taking on Dan hooker.

dude Jalen Turner is a [ __ ] dude. you talk about a guy coming into his own. yeah Jalen Turner and he as as big as. you know 55. yeah he's like six four I. think oh nickel and Jamie Pickett oh I. love that I love that there you go Derek. Prince versus duplicity yes Ian Gary. he's a bad [ __ ] too I'm not a. song Keenan is that is he is that a. debut no no he's he's had a few fights.

he I haven't I don't think I've. commented I've seen him I I think I. called him one of his fights. he and Gary's a bad [ __ ] too and. you know what he Ian had that one. stand-up knockout but I I feel like his. ceiling is still hasn't been reached he. hasn't really shown what he's gonna do. in the UFC yeah I I I still think he's. got a lot to show in a good way yeah. well he's so young how old is he and. Gary he's got to be in his mid-20s he's.

young as [ __ ] man he's he's got massive. massive potential 25 years old 25. yeah. and Tall too for the weight class tall. and slick and. Cody garbrandt versus Julio arse yeah I. I think that might have changed I think. Julio is out oh really I mean it's not. changed on there yet but I think I just. saw a post saying that he was he was out. of that fight I don't know who Cody's. going to fight but. tough road there's another one man yeah. another guy. at one point in time and you know and.

then just yeah a couple they want and I. know Cody's had trouble with I think he. was knocked out really bad when he was. young and up and coming too so someone. ko'd him very early on in his career. real bad yeah. and so RSA injured bounced from Cody. Garver fight well still enough time oh. yeah there's tons of tons oh that's a. sad yeah it's a bummer that's a bad one. so who do they get. not no word no word uh where the.

promotion plans to keep car brand on the. fight card you know with Cody garbrandt. after all those chaos you got to wonder. like how many more does he have left. you know when a guy gets ko'd a gang at. times like there's a lot of people that. it gets to a certain point in time. you're like someone needs to step in and. stop this from happening yeah like it. was like four in a row or something for. him yeah you just you're a young guy I I. you just. this Sport's rough on our heads to begin. with yeah.

but when you've been put out that many. that's when you really got to think hey. maybe it's maybe it's time I mean if he. goes and gets on another win streak but. well shushan O'Malley was talking about. this uh the what's that gentleman he. works with Dan Garner um the guy they're. working on a concussion protocol and. like to rehabilitate people from. concussions and that there's things you. can do to help yourself recover and heal. yeah where do you think there'd gotta be. right because.

what. you can it's got to be something with. the fluids and and like what what causes. some people to have brain damage and. other people don't that's the the real. issue too is I've talked to. um the doctors at. um the Cleveland Clinic I've been part. of a study that they do they offer. everybody in the UFC and a lot of NFL. guys and all that that every year. they'll you go back and you do the same. series of tests and they run the same. exact scans and I went because I was. having some headaches when I fought.

twice in a row I fought Ross right after. I fought Edson the first time and after. like a month I had a headache and I was. like this is not normal and it turns out. it just had a really bad concussion that. I wasn't knocked out but it doesn't mean. you don't have a concussion and I was. having all these symptoms. so I went and had all that testing done. and I just recently last year I went. back and it's amazing I mean I. aced everything that I failed the the. first time I had went I my scans all.

came back clear and I was talking to the. doctor and I was like some of these guys. will fight only a few times and have. severe brain damage and all this kind of. stuff why am I not showing no signs of. any of that he's like. a lot of it's genetic and how you're. Mark hunt just you just yeah Mark hunt. like you know he jokes around about it. he's like mate I'm Polynesian yeah I can. [ __ ] take it it's just it's true. that's true you see Mark hunt knock that. [ __ ] undefeated boxer out did you see. that no bro pull that up they bring him.

in he fights his cat in Australia this. guy is this uh undefeated up-and-coming. heavyweight boxer young good-looking guy. and Mark hunt puts it on him and and. flat lines them in front of everybody. crazy huge huge Underdog 40 plus years. old been through Wars former K1 Grand. Prix Champion don't let him touch her. chin oh my God Mark hunt the king of the. Walk Away KO so he's fighting this guy. Williams jacked out of his mind Jack big.

tall look at him and Mark looking like. he's suffering through it and it's a. boxing match too by the way you know. it's not he doesn't even get to kick you. with those [ __ ] tree trunks. and Marcon stopped him and it was crazy. I mean he was Mark hunt was brought in. he caught him with that right hand Mark. hunt was brought in to be the big name. look at that left hook boom right hand. drops him dude that's the huge win a. huge win and I don't know if Mark Hunt's. gonna fight again and that might be the.

end of it. but this dude gets back up and Mark hunt. puts it on him one of Alaska oh look at. that right hand oh my goodness oh my. goodness look at that level oh oh that's. it. you can't even argue Mark [ __ ]. hunt what a Savage what a Savage he is. what a [ __ ] Savage yeah that dude. this you know and he had that crazy. lawsuit I don't know what happened no. yeah.

these Legends man you know it's uh it's. such an honor to be around these guys. and just to get to see oh dude I've. gotten the call a couple of his and. every time I interviewed him I'm just. like Brock [ __ ] I'm happy to. just yeah just be calling your fight. dude yeah man yeah I was I've been. watching him. do Pride fights kickboxing fights just. you know doing [ __ ] like that for a long. time Crow cop high kick he took a crow.

cop hot kick right on the [ __ ] Dome. and just got up. yeah who does that yeah Crow no one else. no crow cop cracks you I mean that was. another one man that I loved him back in. the day and then he comes over to the. UFC and it just doesn't. it didn't pan out I was so excited when. he was coming over because I'm you know. coming from a striking background that. left kick I'm like hell yeah and um. just remember when he fought Heath. Herring and he he his shin disappeared.

in in his in herring's body yeah his. left shin just went so deep in his body. there's a photo of crow cop Landing that. left body kick and it just like folded. over literally like inside his rib cage. it's so deep into his body cast that's. the left kick man oh my God look at this. photo look at that look at that oh yeah. dude are you [ __ ] kidding you're. peeing a lot of blood after that one. dude Crow cops power kick that left kick.

you know he would say right kick. Hospital left kick Cemetery yep. my God that kick was so insane when you. see that image of that thing remember. when he knocked out vanderlay. he lands that high kick on vandelay and. flat lines lit him open too didn't he oh. my God yeah a giant yeah here's a like. oh I mean you know what are you doing to. do with the mask what the [ __ ] those. carols yeah that that was uh very. unnecessary but that's also Pride yeah.

[ __ ] ball right off bouncing skip it. right off the top of your head wait get. it over your gloves man I mean Marco. crocop I mean he was he had such a a. perfect style to transition from. kickboxing to MMA because he was so. explosive whereas like some guys they. were more Technical and they would set. things up more like I don't know if a. guy like Ernesto who's would have been. the best guy or a guy like Peter yeah. he's been the best guy to come over to. MMA but he was the best guy to show what. an elite level top of the food chain.

kickboxer would look like fighting in in. MMA There It Is Well that's a bad one I. remember that one a million ankle yeah. it's fedor's brother fedor's brother but. the the vandelay Silva one was my. favorite. dude he was so good so there it is oh. man it's another one that skips off it. skips off the top of your freaking head. it was so clever now he set it up boom. see ya. oh my God good night and that's the. pride days The Pride days were [ __ ].

amazing but dude it was just like just. calling Shoguns retiring to fight. speaking of another case where yeah two. men calling your last fight saying I'm. gonna it's just never never gonna work. out a little Shogun like you could see. like all the wars are like you could see. it on him yeah I think he's. 41 now or something like that but he's. 41 in you know Valley tudo years that's. what I'm dude just think just think. about the fights in the gym oh my God.

that that guy went through oh my God. yeah. yeah I mean they the those old days with. the shoot the Box Academy they would go. to whoa they were trying to knock each. other out every day every day yeah and. that's not good for longevity of the. career no but I mean that's. even even when I was coming up it was. still a lot of that going on man oh yeah. you know guys just I I would get into. fist fights in the we were just trying. to knock each other out and I'd look. back I'm like.

stupid so stupid yeah but I mean what do. you think is the balance though because. I think there has to be some hard. sparring just to prepare you 100 so I. think you have to pick moments to do it. and I think you have to kind of really. have that be the day that you're doing. those rounds right and also have people. that you're sparring with that are kind. of trying to simulate the fight whereas. if you're just going around the room and. sparring everybody in the room that day.

like most gyms do now or it's like you. just oh let me grab this part let me. grab that partner you're not getting the. look for your fight you're getting. pissed off somebody hit you with. something you end up going to battle. with them whereas if it's more secured. kind of like how pro-boxers do. everything where. you have your sparring partners that day. is set up you're greased up you have. somebody in the ring I think it needs to. be very formalized like that when you're. going to have your hard days so that. you're not just off in the corner. getting into a slugfest with. some dude that's having you know a dick. measuring contest with you basically.

isn't that that's the hard conversation. too about what kind of Camp do you go to. if you're an up-and-coming fighter do. you go to ATT where you've got like 15. dudes just flew in from Russia and. they're staying in the dorms and they're. [ __ ] assassins you get you you get. spinning back fisted to death or do you. start out a small gym I had this. conversation with Joaquin Buckley we. were talking about he likes smaller gyms. because he gets individualized training. and he gets a coach who's really looking. at his development yeah and setting up. his camp like this you're gonna spot.

with this guy because this guy's gonna. emulate this for you and we're even. gonna bring in guys because there's not. enough guys here and you're probably the. best guy in the room right you need to I. think that. is the way to go and I think being able. to bring people in to work with you as. well and and keep a good relationship. with other Fighters and other camps to. kind of share. sparring partners and bringing people in. so that you. you know you need to get the look that. you want for that fight and I didn't. like in hindsight that that's so.

overlooked I think it's just [ __ ] you. just fight anybody and it's like well. you know on the day somebody can get. hurt you might be stepping in it's like. yeah but is that optimal though I mean. it sometimes it is because sometimes. that makes your career sometimes you get. that last minute fight you step up you. win the fight and then it it Rockets. your career for it yeah you you take. that chance you have that I mean Jamal. Hill right I mean he that five round. fight oh yeah I mean fighting for the. title your devil has to be ready what a.

crazy move the UFC does right on Goliath. and behovich have this fight goes to a. draw which is just unheard of right. everyone's like what and then Danny gets. pissed [ __ ] it you guys are gonna fight. for the time you're both out and like. what now Glover and him are fighting in. Brazil for the title well what a great. fight man what an amazing fight and for. Jamal that's the perfect opportunity. like what an opportunity he goes in. there and fights in Glover's Hometown. and and wins the title yeah and uh.

Anthony Smith. gets kind of cast cast to the side and. I'm uh well Anthony didn't make weight. either bro which is worse because. Anthony was the substitute yeah he was. talking to me too and he he really felt. like it was uh. going to going to plan but there's no. motivation man that's where those things. are tricky too right it's like what are. you really what are you pushing yourself. in that sauna for it's like you know. you're not fighting Glover's never gonna. fall out of a fight no and Jamal's not. exactly yes his opportunity right now.

and he was all he was dialed in the. whole week and Anthony knows that right. so that's I feel like it was just a. little bit of lack of motivation. unfortunately although perhaps it's free. money it's free money but it's also like. God damn man what a brutal thing to do. to your body for no reason and then not. I I and I don't I don't know but does he. get anything but the day of the fight. the day of the weigh-ins rather they. should know. like Jamal like he should know like I. don't have to make the way don't make. the wait yeah like if you're gonna be.

this I mean how what's gonna happen What. could happen between the weigh-in and. the fight it's so rare it would have to. be a stomach issue yeah pretty much or. someone is so [ __ ] up from the weight. cut that they just don't they don't come. back and and Glover at this point in his. career is not that guy he's dialed in no. Jamal was dialed in dialed in yeah Jamal. doesn't lose a lot of weight either no. Jamal is pretty light and he brought in. he brought in Ian and like he had him. cooking from the whole dance like he was.

not going to miss weight yeah he's not. going to miss way for that opportunity. yeah it's hard it's never been the. backup for anything like that I've never. had to go through that when did they. start doing that. I'm trying to think uh fairly recently. right like within the last five or six. years I know like that when Habib and. Tony that when that kept falling out I. think that's when they were like you. know what. um we should probably start having some. backups for these types of situations. and there's been another time where. somebody missed really bad we were. talking about how um.

oh my God I'm gonna blank on his name uh. welterweight. Vicente. took a backup spot on like super short. notice I think he missed about like 12. pounds oh god oh no. well some of those guys are so [ __ ]. big they're so big and they're like it's. it's a hard opportunity to turn down. right it's like Hey listen you might. fight but chances are you're not but. we're gonna pay you to fight well I mean. there's guys like uh pajeda that can't.

make weight unless you give him three. months which is so and I think Vicente. has probably was in that department. where it was like I'm not gonna make. this on I think it was super short. notice that he took it I could be also. talking out of my ass right now where. Hamza was talking about he wants to. fight uh pajeda and pajera is like good. let's fight it light heavyweight in. Brazil 72 hours oh 72 hours ago that it. was in that position didn't feel that. um. interesting. just Chelsea and explaining the backup. fighter I was trying to find the history.

of it and as you were talking oh um. they're talking about interesting. interesting yeah that's crazy Vicente. Louisiana. coming in at 100 oh no not that bad he. only came in 172. he told me 12 pounds. maybe you had to lose 12 pounds in a day. or something like that I'm gonna have to. go I'm gonna have to find that Source. yeah. what do you think of uh Camaro Usman. rematch and Leon Edwards in London I. love that it's in London for Leon yeah. I just.

based on how that fight was going the. first time. I think tomorrow is going to go in there. and be much more dialed in and not allow. a moment like that to happen again and I. think he's gonna think he's gonna be. able to pull it off and win well it's. hard to say man because. when you watch a guy like Leon Edwards. realized that he could KO Kamara with. one shot yeah and then he pulls it off. and did it and also took him down in the. first round now he's the champion he's.

got that Championship confidence that. Championship rub yeah you know like who. knows I agree I think it's I think he's. going to have a lot more confidence. coming into this one and the London. crowd is a real thing I mean oh yeah the. last few that I've worked there man. they make Brazil seem quiet anymore I. mean that crowd there is just crazy and. then you also have to realize that the. one of the beautiful things that Leon's. done is he did it all from home like he. he really didn't join American top team.

or you know TriStar he didn't join a big. game no he tried and he hated it he. didn't want to be he didn't want to be. away from home and he just and I we've. talked to him a lot about this and he he. realized that he can be at home working. with good wrestlers and doing all that. kind of stuff and focused on himself and. not going away to America just to work. his wrestling he said how about you. develop everything else and become a. better Fighter for the style that you're. going to bring to the table as opposed. to trying to put yourself into this.

American style uh wrestling camp and. just not working on yourself. you know when you go to these big gyms. especially you know early on in his. career and you're just getting okay yeah. go over here and. work with so-and-so you're not getting. that attention you stay back home in. England and you're the star pupil you. got everybody working around you yeah. the amount of hype that's going to be on. that and then there's the other thing is. with Camaro Camaro is famous for having. knee problems like he has horrendous. knees yeah he can't even walk down steps.

right yeah. backwards yeah which is crazy that the. when he fights he puts that all out the. window but when Leon took him down he. tripped he tripped him on his bad knee. yeah like I mean both his knees are. [ __ ] but one of his knees is worse and. he trips him on his bad knee his knee. folds over and he goes back down and you. know Camaro's been pretty open about it. saying I don't know how much longer my. body's gonna hold up yeah he's also been. pretty open about the fact that when his. career is done he's probably going to. get his knees replaced he's probably. gonna have to. I mean his knees are chewed up man yeah.

real bad yeah I remember being at um. we did a thing the UFC when they were. getting ready to start the pi at exos I. think out in Arizona which is like a. kind of like the performance Institute. but for. you know NFL players trying to get back. into the into the big league you know. players in their offseason or rehabbing. and I got he was it was me him and Max. Holloway and Kelvin Gaslamp actually. that were all part of the group and they. used to send a bunch of us to kind of. test it out and give feedback on all.

that and yeah he was. it's amazing that he's. dominated the way he has with those. knees oh my God it's just mental. strength because it's his mind he just. pushes through and you know um Will. Harris who has done an amazing job of uh. documenting you know the Dagestan. Chronicles and Will's the best he's the. best when it comes to MMA uh like. documentaries and and and covering these. guys like he's such a good guy that.

everybody like lets him in they trust. him and then in in you know he gets all. this behind the scenes footage oh yeah. you know he's got footage of Kamara. where Kamara was like openly talking. about it like I don't know how much. longer my body's gonna hold up yeah it. it's all the wrestling for years and. years he just and just genetics right. might just yeah once those knees go. early and you just pound on them. and just wrestling in general man. especially freestyle like that brutal. brutal brutal so many guys have blown.

out Knees by the time their career is. over yeah that next they're just next oh. yeah even even just anybody that's ever. done any kind of grappling. algerman is a fake disc in his life and. that's you see a lot of guys have that. kind of injury yeah and even like an old. coach of mine I remember him having like. his neck fused together. oh that's scary man boss rooting that's. the beginning of his problems he got his. neck fused and now and then you have. like no Ranger losing yeah you start.

losing feeling and and your arms [ __ ]. yeah yeah thanks it's a. it's a wild way to live your life to. decide that for the glory and the. challenge and just the just the. overwhelming difficulty. of becoming a world-class fighter or a. world champion fighter that you put. yourself through so much it's. it's funny that you you bring that kind. of up because. it's hard to talk to people about why.

you do it if you don't understand it. right like if you've never done Combat. Sports or ever have that desire to fight. and just be one of the best. it looks crazy to anybody on the outside. we look like we're absolutely lunatics. it's com it's competition to us I don't. look at a fight and think I'm gonna. [ __ ] kill that person because I just. want to be violent it's like I want to. be. better than that person I want to be and. I want you know you want to achieve. something that's.

seems crazy to other people and I think. that's what obsesses a lot of us about. it is that you want to do something that. 99 of the people in this world are. terrified of doing and walking to that. cage is definitely one of the scary. things aside from like anybody of active. military and does all that kind of stuff. that's another that's where that's what. I can't imagine yeah and any of my. friends that have served and done that. I'm like they're like man I don't know. how you fight and do this I'm like what. bro crazy you fought in Wars right what.

are you talking about that's the highest. level that's the highest level it's the. same sort of situation they oftentimes. want to go back yeah it's like the. thrill of that yep I can't imagine. because I know what it's like. to have to want that fight feeling to. want that. desire to get your hand raised whether. good better ugly and you have like a. depression when it's done man and I'm. sure you've heard other Fighters talk. about this whether you win or lose you. build up to this moment this fight Camp. I'm fighting this guy I'm gonna get to.

the octagon and then it's done yeah. you're like ah well that I mean now what. times 10 with most people at the end of. their career yeah because now what yeah. now the big now what yeah what do you do. and that's one of the things that I. think is beautiful about what you've. done you've found something that's a. challenge that can occupy your mind and. your will and and learn things and but. it's and it's the same feeling though. when those when that race is done and I. cross that fish as soon as it's done. you're like oh.

and everybody around like you [ __ ]. got your PR you that's great you had. your best run you did this or your swim. was really good and it's like. now what I want to go faster that's not. fast enough well the the guys are the. real wild ones like I've always wondered. like how does Jon Jones deal with. retirement like is Johnson is so wild. like what is what is John gonna do when. it's all done I mean for the last three. years John has been thinking okay I'm. gonna build up to become a heavyweight. yeah.

extensive weightlifting program. obviously put in all this work to get so. big and really built himself up to be a. legitimate heavyweight and now I mean. and also John is what 36 now how old is. John now I don't know how old is Jon. Jones when you go back to Jon Jones's. first fight with Shogun fighting for the. world I always tell you this one of the. wildest Things I've ever seen the guy's. fighting for the world title youngest. guy 35 youngest guy ever to win the. title he opens up against a legend with.

a flying knee yeah I mean it's just wild. yeah you can't John was just wild and. doing that on like yeah. an hour of sleep you know what I mean. you know I can remember even back at. Jackson's when we'd be there he'd come. rolling in and you could you know I I. didn't know him personally then so I. don't know what he was doing but you. could tell partying he was probably. partying and he'd come in and just beat. everybody's ass clean the room man. Talent just just yeah no issue Talent is.

not fair it's distribution. this is not no not at all. he and that's why so many people get so. pissed because it's like I did. everything right and yeah this guy rolls. in and kicks your ass yeah I'm very. curious to see how he handles zero gone. because zero gone is so [ __ ] smooth. and fast on the feet that the KO of Thai. to ivassa were all the kicks that he was.

showing in that one my God the body work. my God but then you have to think. Francis outrustled him took him down. that's the big yeah and if Francis can. take him down and out wrestle him what. the hell is Jon Jones what is Jon Jones. going to do with him yeah or Ken is Jon. Jones as effective as a heavyweight. because of the size that's the thing. it's like well Francis might not be the. strongest wrestler but he's humongous. right so even though he might not have. the technical skills that John does just.

just physical strength that's what I. keep saying to everybody that asks me. any questions about that one I'm like. we're gonna we're gonna find out oh this. is truly Walmart we don't know we have. nothing to base it on because we can. hear Jim's stories about how he handled. heavyweights but. what's that like in the Octagon on Fight. Night also cereal guns had ample. opportunity to prepare for that kind of. wrestling strategy whereas I bet with. Francis and Gano he didn't think Francis. was going to try to take it down not. like that he probably didn't prepare for.

a grappling match at all probably. prepared for movement and try to. outpoint him and then suddenly you find. yourself getting put on your back and. then you got to think like athleticism. Cyril gone is so athletic and he's such. a good Striker when was the last time. John fought a guy was that athletic and. a good Striker well that's Dominic Reyes. yeah and don't give him a lot of trouble. gave him a lot of trouble and Donald. Grace is another one right like at the. top of the Heap and then all of a sudden. boom he just keeps getting flatlined and. he's talking he's still talking about. one you know his next fight and coming.

back I'll be back I'm like bro Ryan. Spann is a [ __ ] dude there's. there's a guy that's super talented and. when he's training and in shape yeah. well he said he's not even been yeah. creating his new training bro he knocked. him out with like a like a kind of a jab. hook yep but it's just the speed and. precision and yeah he's a freak he's a. freak you get these guys that are just. like super [ __ ] talented to just find. their place it's funny to see when they. realize oh hey I can be a lot better if. I train it's like yeah no [ __ ] dude.

I can't believe it took you this long oh. I never even trained I'm like yeah and. you know you talk to safe side and he'll. tell you like you ain't even seen the. best of this guy yet yeah like he's. [ __ ] good. it's just like what a what a wild time. it's a wild time for the sport yeah it's. so exciting it's very exciting. all right Paul Felder I'm glad we did. this man we've been talking about doing. this for a while it's a lot of fun I. know man and you know it was the thing I. never wanted to be that guy that was. going to bug you about it I'm like I get.

to see Joe I talked to Joe I work with. him. when the time is right he'll he'll. eventually ask me to do this thing and. here we are when we did it we did it. thank you very much for being on man. um so uh when are we working together. again do you know I don't know. um do you know when you're the next one. you're calling well I mean I know I'm. doing the 18 I'm doing San Hagen and. Vera oh he's the next one I'm like I was. actually thinking of flying in for that. oh if you're gonna not not even I want. to go to watch just go watch yeah yeah. that's on February 18th yeah it's at the. Apex yes that I [ __ ] love that fight.

I [ __ ] love oh my God creel off and. spam February 25th oh that's also at the. Apex yeah oh I like that and krill. office. I like that dude man I was so surprised. he stopped Gustafson like that just. stormed the gates and just came out guns. blazing him. San Hagen and Vera is a fight that is a. [ __ ] intriguing contest that's it's. gonna be bloody that was the one where I.

was like man I might fly in for that one. and Talia Santos versus Aaron. blanchfield blanchfield man she's tough. she's [ __ ] good dude very exciting. but. Benoit that kid's good too man this. French like special forces guy he's. talented yes he is it's uh it's a great. time to be a fan my brother yes sir. thank you very much for being here. appreciate you great working with you. always fun hanging out all right bye. everybody.

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