Joe Rogan Experience #957 - Cameron Hanes

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from choking me my instincts they're a. little too jumpy that's the problem too. much quick movement they got to calm. that [ __ ] down for bow hunting oh Bow. Hunting the opposite you need the. opposite nice and steady baby yeah see. bow hunting is pretty much the opposite. way of thinking than Jiu-Jitsu cuz. Jiu-Jitsu you got to [ __ ] you gotta. keep moving turn you got constantly you. gotta constantly be protecting yourself. and moving and trying to close the deal. Bing is like steady y it is dude you're.

out there wrestling Wallabees I heard. yeah something like that Jam's ready to. go Jamie's he was saying that he was. like I want to wrestle a [ __ ] WABE Fu. wab up we saw a dead one and it has. claws about that long do they really. yeah I mean so you can imagine and their. legs are just obviously bouncing all the. time their legs have just got to be. jacked is with those big claws I mean. what I try to relate it to is if have. you ever tried to hold down a cat a. house cat that doesn't want to be held. down I have man right so they have.

little tiny claws imagine what a wab be. with those jacked legs and big claws. could do plus it's wild wouldn't be good. I used to have a a wild cat I had a. feral cat is that a wow a cute little. fell yeah know whoa look at the teeth. that's not real Is that real that's. really his teeth Jesus Christ but look. at the claws on those things if I don't. know if it'll show claws ever I can't. believe they have teeth like that yeah. see those front claws what the hell does. a wab bee eat I figured W be was like. eating nuts and now I think they're.

murderers like babies so it looks like a. little kangaroo yeah oh they have a. kangaroo tail on the whole deal yeah. yeah yeah they're just they're very. similar to kangaroos was that a real. teeth though I think so that wasn't. photoshopped Google Google wab be's. teeth cuz I just have a feeling that was. [ __ ] it just looked like a vampire. they're I feel like they're like the. ugly stepchild of. kangaroos cuz they're kind of more. hunched over I'm like damn we're losing. viewers what crazy they're probably. going on YouTube We're top live.

but we're losing viewers like crazy. we're down to 5,900 we're dropping maybe. I turn it towards me maybe that's a. problem probably when it's turned. towards cam yeah oh oh jumping back up. oh see now we're up to 6,500 it is your. it is your page after all look at that. can't be real that's uh the one we're. looking at right now is like a vampire. be deer I've seen those things before. yeah those vampire deer that's a real. thing right those deer with those crazy. fangs I think so yeah it's real but like.

why do they have fangs like that like. why does they're not Predators it's very. strange did you see that uh they found. for the first time ever a deer eating a. human carcass a deer yeah the scientist. see if you can pull that story up it was. yesterday oh all right folks this is. very distracting uh go to uh Joe ran. live and you could see this whole thing. I would read this but here's the thing. about getting older folks your [ __ ]. eyes to go Cameron hayne's eyes are.

still excellent though I got to tell you. this [ __ ] can see [ __ ] he can. see anything Conspiracy Theory with the. same age with the same age and his eyes. I don't know why my eyes suck but um. just way it goes but my dick is getting. bigger I don't know what's going on with. that either no imagine tip for Tat. people would trade in glasses for a. bigger dick for. sure um show feet what is that people. are so weird yeah I know some of the the. people put they put weird comments just.

to get you to read them and he got me he. got me this [ __ ] all right folks uh I'm. going to shut this off and we're going. to uh just have a podcast joan. live you. can watch We're streaming on YouTube. until we make this big deal with uh. twitch see you. bam and live video do I save it done. nope didn't save it [ __ ] it does you can. save them yeah there a little thing up. in the upper right hand corner but I I. didn't I saw it right as I was pressing. and mid press s like what's the big deal.

you know don't know I don't know dude um. so neverbe seen deer spotted eating. human bones makes sense though like they. would just think it's like calcium. calcium yeah they don't know it's a bone. it's not like they like [ __ ] these. people just it's like finally deer's. eating people no but we've showed videos. before um of deer eating birds like cuz. they eat birds all the time oh they do. yeah yeah like literally actively going. after birds like the falling out of.

nests the deer's like following it and. the birds are trying to chase the deer. off and the deer's like yeah whatever. I'm eating that bird look at this so. this bird this deer is the other birds. they're like get out of there get out of. there it's a button buck he's got these. little tiny Nubs and he's trying to get. this ground nesting bird he's going to. go through that past that tree and then. the the guy filming it see see the the. bird hopping around the ground so it's a. bird that fell out of a nest oh they. don't have like the he going to eat that. oh yeah 100% yeah it's kind of he's he's.

chasing it I mean he's going after it on. purpose what a predator he is look at. the speed the speed that deer shows but. it just shows you how opportunistic live. animals are oh yeah wild animals like. some something in that deer's body tells. it to eat that thing hey there's no. compassion out there for animals no. watch animal on animal look at him he's. eating it oh my it's dark yeah that's. the way it goes yeah life eats life it's. just weird to see a deer for some reason.

eat a bird and do it on purpose like. he's all excited like oh yeah this is. great he's good there's a um some sort. of wildlife thing uh they were doing. some sort of a survey and they captured. these birds with a a net they had this. net set up uh in this area where these. birds fly just so they could capture. these particular Birds but the deer kept. eating the birds and they they couldn't. figure it out they're like what is going. on here and then they watched they had a. video of these deer walking up and.

picking them off the net and eating. these birds while the birds are like. Jesus I can't believe this is happening. getting eaten by a deer yeah you don't. see that every day no but I'm not. surprised yeah I'm not surprised either. I've seen cows do it too there's videos. of cows doing it for the longest time. people didn't think that they thought. that you know those are just herbivores. yeah but no they're just Nature's just. set them up to be super slow but if. something really delicious is in front. of them I thought it was an Eddie Bravo. thing oh conspiracy yeah he came up with.

it no it's not an Eddie Bravo conspiracy. Eddie Bravo believes a lot of. conspiracies but he doesn't believe that. what is this. one oh what is that an eagle Jack and a. bunny rabbit that's a deer oh is it a. little deer Eagles are so ruthless wow. look at that bam we could do this all. day folks you got back from the real. wild man like where you were the. Instagram story so Cameron Haynes and. our buddy Adam green tree and a few. other fellas were up there in the North. country of Australia and you guys took.

over the Under Armour hunt page and uh. it was epic man that the the Under. Armour hunt page like the little. Instagram stories yeah I don't like. Instagram stories you know why cuz. they're only 15 seconds and they little. teases I wanted you guys to be like live. streaming from up there yeah it' be nice. wouldn't it but it was super cool where. you guys were at it was terrifying kept. showing these brown snakes these yeah. the second most deadly snake in the. world yeah that's what I'm told yeah you. saw like how many of them.

uh like four or. five yeah but it only takes one yeah and. you're dead right like I don't pretty. much dead well second most deadly yes. doesn't sound good that's not good no. and then there's you know big old. spiders and uh crocodiles yeah you guys. saw crocodiles yeah you even filmed. crocodiles yeah they were right where we. were you know super it was it was I mean. this is still not even their summer but. still very warm I mean where we were up.

uh hunting and buffalo at the top end is. what they call which is out of Darwin it. was 90 to 100° so there some film of uh. now this is a freshwater crocodile which. is not as big right not as big or as. aggressive as a saltwater croc but could. still definitely do damage and this was. you know mere feet from where we were. sleeping and this is the where we'd go. and take baths and uh or just kind of. cool down during the heat of the day. that's where he was right there and how. big is that guy.

oh I don't know 6 eight seven eight feet. something like that I mean you know he. wasn't huge but he definitely do some. damage if he got a hold of you did you. guys see any of the saltwater ones while. you're there no no so when you you're. telling me about this uh one Pond that. was near you guys where you saw eyes at. night and you didn't think crocodiles. that was it it was right there so the. the first night we saw the one just that. one right there we went over there and. videoed him and and checked him out and. then the next night Adam went down there.

to the creek and it was only about maybe. 15 20t across just small just very. shallow and uh he looked down and said. there was like six sets of eyes R red. eyes which is crocodile so that was you. know they moved in so have you ever seen. a live saltwater one in the. wild um I think we did the last time I. hunted there up but I'm trying to. remember.

or maybe it was I think when we were. flying yeah when when we were flying we. saw them oh cuz so you have to take a. flight from where Adam lives Adam lives. near Melbourne right Sy he lives near. Sydney New South Wales is what it's. called you fly 4 and a half hours to to. where these water buffalo are yep and. then we last time we used a helicopter. to get out of Darwin to and that was 4. hours in the helicopter whoa and so th. this time we had hel op and so we flew.

the country to kind of look at it and we. saw some pretty big Crocs from. there on the river system so how do you. know like where to stop like when you're. buffalo hunting how do you know where to. go um well I mean basically it's however. far you can walk you know I mean you. kind of get we we were. walking I don't know I want to say at. least 10 miles a day 10 10 to I think. Adam and his guys one time his camera.

guy walked 18 miles one day so we were. just you know we were always you know 10. 12 13 mil a day so we're just covering. country Jesus. Christ it was it was hard hunting up. there right now because this is their. wet season or the tail end of their wet. season and so the foliage was was really. grown up really thick so it was very. hard to see the Buffalo normally um. later when we went it's all burnt up. because of you know summer and so. there's no foliage and uh you can see.

the Buffalo from Miles basically but. with this grass the grass is in some. places eight 8 feet tall I mean you'd. have to be 50 yards away to see a. buffalo and they're you know 1800 18800. to 2,000 lbs so it's it's makes it hard. to find them and then it also makes it. dangerous to Trail them you know if. you're blood trailing them or if you're. even if you just surprise one um you. know you you surprise an animal that. close a wild animal like that and who. knows how they're going to react. yeah that's a huge animal yeah and and.

with that grass it just you know as you. know Adam and I did a and the camera. guys we did a podcast up there and we. were kind of talking about the. challenges of the hunt and uh that was a. big part of it is um just not being able. to see very much country and so people. never hunt Buffalo this time of year. this is like people say why would you go. you're not going you know nobody goes. this time and we just when do they go. they go later in the year you know when. when there's not so much foliage so they.

go like in their. fall their yeah it would be you know. what last time I went is December which. is just before the West season starts. this is the tail end of the wet season. right now so we were thinking about when. we want to take you up there would be. around November October November because. you don't want to get stuck in the with. the wet season hit because that's big. rains but uh you you want it and and. also it makes it easier to find the. animals because there's not water. everywhere right now there's water. everywhere so they don't have to be.

concentrated to get water but later in. the year all those a lot of the water. sources have dried up so if you got a. good water hole you know every every. animal's coming there well so these are. for people who don't know um this is an. invasive species of water buffalo it's. an enormous Asian yeah and what is it. called it's just called Asian water. buffalo like what is the actual name of. it I think it or yeah there might be an. yeah I just call them Asian water. buffalo but it seems like there's a sea. in there somewhere Asiatic or something.

I don't know Jamie can look it up Jamie. look it up but uh it's a such a wild. cool looking animal man yeah yeah. they're big they're big and uh my bow um. he was a big old Bull and uh uh we. called him in using like a a wounded. calf call oh wow so this is this is what. it looks like yeah that's that's a. female obviously typed in Asian water. buffalo nothing yeah that's it that's. what it looks like yeah um go to Cam's.

uh Instagram page and there's a picture. of the there's is there yeah there it is. no that's Adams oh that's Adams yeah and. there's yours is in the upper right hand. corner but you only see see the they. only see the skull yeah and then that's. a [ __ ] head people don't want to see. that what is he doing now it's folks. that's how you make cheeseburgers it's. fine there's only one way there's. another picture of it I think when it's. coming when it's coming in right there. right above that Jamie right no right no.

the one with the far left yeah right. yeah right there that's uh him at full. draw or with that's looking through the. Riser of the bow yeah so that's that bow. coming in aggressive he was you can see. his eyes he was just pissed off and. that's he was coming that's at under 20. yards and he's not stopping and so I. shot him there frontal through the chest. and uh had to is almost like. self-defense wow so these are animals. that if Hunters don't go up there and.

kill them they they actually hire people. to go up there and kill them right they. like yeah they I mean these things have. has spread disease up there I mean. they're a a non-native species and they. any water source up there is ruined any. natural habitat has been ruined because. there's so many Buffalo so they just. want them killed basically they're like. um it'd be like similar to coyotes here. you know except 2,000 lb yeah yeah and. no Predators either no there's nothing. else to kill them and and maybe a Croc.

could kill a you know a cal right but uh. they just need you know coyotes down. here in North America don't ruin water. sources and ruin habitat like these. things do these things are just wrecking. machines and there's there's hundreds of. thousands of them up there so they ruin. water water sources for the native. animals as well like all the other. things anything cuz they [ __ ] and piss. in the water and yeah yeah well it's. Australia is so strange and uh as is New. Zealand in that all these people. imported animals there in the 1800s and.

uh I guess even before was it when did. they establish Australia and New Zealand. I'm not sure I forget when they EST see. if you can find out when they estab we. talked about this recently with Josh. zeps didn't we but they um they brought. in all these animals with no game plan. yeah they just let them loose and then. they like oh Jesus so in New Zealand. they have these beautiful Stags these. incredible animals and in some places. they have to shoot them at a helicopters. just to control the population where it.

for people in America it's like unheard. of like how could you do that like. that's that's it's like an elk like a. majestic animal you're going to shoot. him out of helicopters and just leave. them there to die it's way different. it's uh you know there there's just not. enough Hunters because in all of. Australia they say there's as many. people as are are in La the LA area here. in the whole country New Zealand says it. was uh okay the first European explorer. to cite New Zealand was Abel.

janun what a name janun tasmin on the. 13th of December in. 1642 but that's obviously just a. European people been there for a long. [ __ ] time oh yeah and Australia was. 1788 and shortly thereafter then they. started bringing in all these animals. the idea was that they were going to. make it like a European hunting. destination right for for Rich PE the. rich uh what what douche bags.

yeah so they released all these animals. but with no Predators right yeah and so. people were going to come over from. Europe and they were going to go to. Australia and Hunt yeah the rich people. and so I think they and they told me. that it seems like it was in 1985 they. were going to wipe out all the Buffalo. and they had some money funded for it. and they were going to try to get rid of. them and they got halfway through and. quit they killed like half of them. something like that yeah wow and and.

then they quit and so now it's just as I. was saying the whole country is about. the size of the United States you were. telling me this but I I did know that. the whole country has the same amount of. people live in LA here so there's just. not that many Hunters you know a small. percentage of them are Hunters so. there's nobody to control all these. number of non-native species and that's. from uh water buffalo to the fow deer. that I was hunting to stag there's not. as many Stags as phow deer but um all. these species just there's no measure.

for control really yeah and they brought. in a bunch of other non-native species. to it's a it's an exercise in. conservation gone totally wrong because. they brought in cats to take care of. certain animals and they brought in Fox. and then the fox and the cats are out of. control and they kill all the ground. nesting birds so now it's kind of [ __ ]. up to us here in America but people in. Australia hunt cats like they hunt them. the way and they hold them up like like. look I got one and yeah it's a cat yeah.

it's weird man it's like that's fluffy. what the [ __ ] yeah no I we saw a guy and. uh he had a rifle and he was walking on. the road there just and uh he lives. there you know I mean that's his home. he's lived there his whole life I think. and he was walking on the on the road. and I went down there and I had my bow. and I was you know I said hey what are. you after he's like oh I'm after a a big. black cat and I'm. like uh like a just a regular cat he's. like yeah I said like just a feral you.

know wild cat he's like yeah it's a. black one though he goes so there's a. $10 bounty on it that the the property. owners around there had if anybody could. kill this black cat is 10 bucks but they. don't think anything about it because. there's just wild cats everywhere how. weird is that yeah it is a bounty on a. kitty cat well people um that have uh. researched it in America just in North. America uh cats kill somewhere in the. neighborhood three billion Birds a year.

yeah billion yeah that when they found. that out like apparently like scientists. were shocked the biologists were shocked. it's between 1.5 and 3 something billion. and that's not even counting like mice. and rabbits and all the other [ __ ] they. killed squirrels I'll never forget I had. a cat that used to um I used to live. across street from this park and uh I. had uh this one male cat and he was just. a murder Mur and uh I'll never forget.

watching him walk across this uh park. with a squirrel between his legs so he. was biting down the squirrel's neck the. squirrel's dead and the squirrel was his. size practically and it was in between. his legs so he straddling it and walking. with it dragging it along so he could. show it to me good oh he was super. psyched that was awesome he's like dude. look what I got he like right that's. probably a large percentage of his. weight right there he it was it was. probably no [ __ ] at least three4 the.

size of him he wasn't a big cat and it. was a fat [ __ ] squirrel yeah that. that probably would have been a nice. battle it's just weird cat vers squirrel. cats are the weirdest animals man yeah. cuz they're they're cool with us but. they're straight Killers I know but the. only story I remember about a cat I. can't remember where I heard it or who. told me but that oh maybe it was one of. my cop friends but anyway if a if a like. an old you say it's an elderly person. that has a dog they die the dog is the.

people come and find the body and the do. and the dog's laying there with them you. know just like a loyal whatever and uh. if a cat if they have a cat and they die. the cat eats our eyelids and and lips. yeah right away if you stop feeding that. cat the cat's like look I'm eating look. eat its owner yep yeah so that's really. all you need to know about a cat they. eat each other too um like crazy old. people uh there's this one lady who was. a hoarder and she had a bunch of dead. cats she had so many cats in her house.

and uh the cats had died and so she. wasn't feeding the cats the cats were. eating the dead cat man woo It's hard. out there no it's hard out there Cameron. Hayes imagine being a cat you're living. with a hoarder like this [ __ ] doesn't. even let me go out let me out I'll go. kill some birds oh yeah that animals. just want to be out and live this that's. what we need to we need to be out and. live I mean that that two and a half. weeks I was in Australia that was man I. took two showers the whole time lived in. his sleeping bag and you must have smell.

good what hey that's just how it. goes that's what people were supposed to. smell like we couldn't even tell we were. just used to it yeah so and I'm I'm just. for the viewers I'm a clean I take a. couple showers a day but you know when. you're hunting that's just the way it. goes sometimes yeah were you wearing. wool no I was no it was warm oh right. but like a thin layer of Marino actually. keeps you cool because you're sweating. it and regly heat really well yeah it. was you know where we were hunting deer.

in New South Wales which is outside of. Sydney it was actually cold at night I. mean I saw you guys were walking on like. frozen grass grass was covered with. frost but I mean it at night it was. freezing you know I mean it was like 32. degrees and we were used to we thought. we were going to be hunting in 90 to 100. degree weather so yeah it didn't you. know when you're laying in a sleeping. bag that's only rated to 40° and it's 32. and sleeping on the ground it's that's. rough it's just rough you were saying.

that those deer were like super turned. on too like they were tuned in like they. were very sked they they they've been. hunted and uh you know they don't have. lions like we have here that which keep. the deer on edge you know because we. have lions are just Killers but uh um. they don't have a predator like that but. man it's just they're an analou species. and or it's uh they can see so well and. so fast reacting it's just amazing what.

are they this is a fow deer right yeah. and what are they related to um for I. just said it right there but I I'm not. sure if once I said it I'm like are. they so don't don't quote me on that we. might have to look that one up too but. all I know is the reason why I said that. is because they can see I mean anopa. notorious for having amazing Vision you. know 10 times what what humans have. apparently and that's how these work I. mean I don't know if they're deer or. analou or whatever but they can see.

extremely well so they were seeing you. from like a long ways out oh you. couldn't I mean I there was this one. Buck I was stocking I had a cameraman. with me and the the key for stocking. animals is always staying in the shade. if if you stay in the shade and you got. camo on especially if they're in the sun. you know how it is looking looking into. if you're in the sun you try to look. into a house you can't see right so it's. the same thing with shadows so you. always want be a shadow well we were 330.

yards away from this Buck I was stocking. he was feeding in this. Creek and we had this small patch of. sunlight to cross 330 yards away it's a. long way away and I I told the cameraman. I'm like we just got to get across here. just stay low and get you know hustle. through there so we we hunched over and. got in seconds we were through there got. to the shade looked over at the buck he. stand there staring I'm like are you. kidding me how he's already so we're in.

the shade so then for sure we weren't. moving I'm like don't move and he's just. staring staring staring staring and I'm. like don't move he's like I'm not I go. don't move he's he's on he's just. looking anything is going to Spook him. he's like I'm not moving and he was uh. crouched down on his knees and so. finally the buck like took a few uh um. bites of grass and I'm like okay he's. feeding next thing gone so all he did is.

took a couple bites of grass for the. road he's like no I already know I'm out. of here but I'm taking this with me and. he was gone that was it yeah they're. smart that's that's long rifle range and. we had bows and it's just barely this so. and we have to get close with a bow and. so you can imagine it just if that that. one example tells you what it was like. basically so we we were talking about um. different bow setups like you had. brought two bow setups you'd brought one. for deer and You' brought one for.

Buffalo so for people that don't. understand there's two different ways. that you were going to approach this the. Buffalo is a giant heavy boned animal so. you had a real heavy Arrow which is. going to go slower and those arrows are. just too slow for those deer and the. deer would actually move out of the way. before the arrow got to them yeah yeah. like Matrix it it was it was you know. the the thing with uh penetration with. an arrow is weight the weight of the.

arrow equates to more penetration with. heavy bone and you know we talked about. the Buffalo 1,00 to 2,000 lbs so you. need something that hits hard well when. you have a heavier Arrow it's going to. fly slower so those are flying at 245 ft. a second out of my high poundage bow and. I thought well good enough I mean the I. didn't these will be all right and I was. shooting it so well and so accurate you. know practicing out to 90 yards all the. time shooting well so I thought you know.

what I know it's supposed to be for. Buffalo I'm just going to use it for. deer so the first week there I tried it. for deer and it was just like these deer. were seemingly 10 yards away by the time. the arrow got to them and it's I'm not. talking long shots and I'm like okay. maybe there's just a fluke just a fluke. so they would see it hear it they would. hear it and they would duck out of the. way or just be gone I mean just like be. 10 yards away so they would move out of. the way before the arrow got to them. yeah yeah and uh so the finally and I. thought well maybe it's just and it was.

super calm there so so quiet you know. and my bows are quiet a heavy Arrow. makes a bow even quieter you know it. absorbs that sound and and the energy so. your limbs aren't just like that there. it's more of like and but it still makes. a noise on a super calm windless day. especially when it's cold you know I. mean it's just that sound's going to get. acrossair so I thought well maybe just a. fluke maybe the deer or pick something. to not pick up some movement so they. were just on me just whatever I'm not.

worried about it you know I'm not used. to missing I'm I'm used to being very. disciplined on my shots and taking high. percentage shots at relaxed animals if I. do do my stock right my my goal is. always to shoot an animal that has no. idea I'm there you know so it's. relaxed and uh so that wasn't happening. here and I thought well maybe maybe it's. just cuz they're high strong and and. they were on to me so but the the the.

time where I decided okay these arrows. aren't going to work was a wild boar was. out there big boar 45 yards okay this. should be slam dunk money and I just. camera over my shoulder he had no idea. we were there draw back shoot and he had. he was facing uh his head to the left. and he was heading back to the right. probably proba a few feet away by the. time the arrow got there I mean well I.

didn't even have to even I like shot and. went oh my are you kidding me he's that. gone that fast spun and just gone and so. then at that time I'm like okay these. this is not going to work it's so crazy. because although there's no Predators. there the hunters that are there are out. there all the time they don't have a. season no there's no season so these. animals are just tuned in they're hunted. every day wow yeah and so and mostly. rifle so I mean they're used to if they. see somebody that's like a danger.

because they've been shot at from you. know hundreds of yards so it's just yeah. it was it was challenging um but so I I. changed from those uh 245 grain arrows. and I thought well I need to shoot my uh. not 245 245 ft per second that 687 grain. Arrow to a lighter arrow and I thought. maybe this will do it and uh you know is. shooting 300 F feet per second at that. time did you change broadheads yep did.

you go to the tro car no did you step. with the solids no I shot uh with a. buffalo and actually you know it's funny. actually what I ended up killing the. deer with too was uh um what were the. Magnus. stingers and I also the but the expand I. had that expandable head do you remember. that one that I used on the bear yeah it. was a uh Gravedigger Gravedigger yeah y. that what a ruthless name that head and. that that head flies so good ohow is.

money so you use that as well yep so. when you're out there man like so you're. around Sydney which is where people are. there's there those animals are hunted. pretty pretty regularly but then you're. taking that flight for four and a half. hours and then the helicopter and when. you're in the area where the Buffalo are. there's nobody out there no it's it's. remote that is a wild wild place when. you think about the the size of.

Australia the size of North America with. the same amount of people as Los Angeles. but the area where you're at it's like. that is as Wild As It Gets yeah I mean. you fly those four and a half hours from. Sydney to Darwin and most that they're. you're looking down at country with. nothing nothing no roads no nothing and. that's that's a large majority of. Australia is like that and it's just. overrun with Buffalo yeah a lot of it is. yep and uh what a crazy Place yeah and.

we we did find some uh you know some. drawings up there too um from the from. yeah I mean old the natives Yeah Yeah. from the Aborigines and did you did you. know that those were there before you. went there did Adam know that they were. there the pilot knew the pilot knew yeah. so we wanted to go see them oh wow so. are they in a cave like where they're on. um the for the weather not to get to. them it has to be on like the underside. of a rock so where we went and we filmed.

under there like you could imagine. people getting out of the rain there and. they're huge. Boulders and they're getting and it just. a perfect spot just to stay dry and so. that's if the rain was if if they drew. on a part of the rock where the rain was. hitting obviously it was gone but in. these these areas they were protected so. drawings were still there last time Adam. was here he talked about um some of the. aboriginies there and explained some. stuff but when we went back to my house. we uh we had dinner and we sat around.

talking he told me some crazy stories. about the the horrors that those people. faced and how they had been wiped out. like they had been poisoned like he went. to this one cave and he found bones all. through this cave he's like this is. crazy there's like human bones and he's. like children's bones you to find. children's bones and then he had heard. this story from one of the other. Aborigines that lived there that someone. had brought food to all these people all. the Aborigines there and just poisoned. the food and just killed them all off.

yeah it's it's [ __ ] dark man it's. dark no I don't know so they don't know. they don't know who made those. hieroglyphs or they or cave drawings or. whatever they were or when they did it. either no no they say uh I put it up on. my Instagram page and I saw some. comments there and they're saying that. the more brightly colored the older they. are huh but I don't know I think I think. the pilot mentioned 10,000 years old.

maybe he's just guessing how the [ __ ] he. know I have no idea how would you know I. think you just threw that out there yeah. how would you know I mean it's just it. I'm sure somebody knows I mean right. that studies that I'm sure there's. probably a few people but it seems like. when you think about the actual numbers. uh of how much land you're talking about. how few people live out there and how. many of those things are probably there. and also one of the things that Adam was. telling me that's crazy is you could. have the way um they uh refer to. themselves uh like uh Aborigines they.

call themselves a mob like you know. instead of a tribe it's a mob and. they're like there could be one mob and. he said there could be a mob he goes. four kilometers away and they speak a. totally different language oh right yeah. like what I go how many languages are. there he goes oh hundreds yeah what yeah. hundreds I go so they can't talk to each. other he goes nope yeah no written. language yeah they they have different. expressions for things yep yeah I heard. that too. that's crazy I know what I mean it's.

really I think it's like a tribal. Society right I mean that's that's just. the way it goes well it's it is like a. tribal Society but it's also like you're. you're I mean right now there's culture. and there's civilization that is linked. to who knows how many hundreds if not. thousands of years ago and it will go. away because there won't be people that. understand it there's not no not someone. who's studying it yeah and there's so. many different vers versions of the way. they communicate that it's just like. you're you're literally watching history.

dissolve right in front of you yeah yeah. and know it's a it's it was amazing to. be in that country walking and hunting. in the same that that they have for you. know however many years and what did. they hunt back then because this is. obviously before the Buffalo came in. before they brought the fow deer I don't. know just whatever Wes or wab a native. thing Kangaroos and [ __ ] yeah wow yeah. but it was it was cool being under that. rock and in envisioning them being there.

too yeah you know that long ago doing. the same thing we were doing yeah that's. that's a that's a real mindblower man. it's just so fascinating thinking about. that that particular continent of. Australia that you know Europe used it. as a prison colony and England brought a. bunch of people over there and go look. you people are [ __ ] stay here that. was on there's an island off of. Australia right that they used for that. well they used Australia for that I.

thought I God what was that Island I. know we were probably an island as well. that they still do I think that's what. they take immigrants right right so and. they have to live there for a certain. amount of time before they can come over. yeah they have some weird immigration. laws in Australia Australia like if. people that are complaining about Trump. wanting to build a wall listen Australia. island way worse and it's like a prison. yeah I if if I understand it right it's. like a prison then they have to stay. there for you know like I said a certain. amount of time before they're a citizen.

yeah see if you can find that Jamie Josh. zeps actually uh brought it up to us and. he was explaining how brutal the uh. immigration laws are over there they. don't want anybody moving in Australia. they understand they have a good thing. going on I mean if you haven't been to. Australia it is lovely the people there. are fantastic they're super friendly. they're really nice and again there's. not that many of them so it's expensive. though yeah very you know I mean there. was a. um Aon he I think his house was like a.

two-bedroom house and or. $500,000 wow yeah yeah makes sense. though you got to bring [ __ ] over there. right like they were saying the guy uh. when I was in Sydney um the guy who was. driving us uh was telling us how much. cars cost over there they cost so much. more money especially like people like. uh classic American muscle cars and the. guy was talking about how much like a. 1968 Mustang was worth yeah and he's. like it's probably worth twice what to. in America yeah because they have to. ship them over there what they have over.

there which is sweet was the Toyota hux. diesel trucks those are pretty sweet. what is it it's just a tundra is it like. a tundra it's like a they call it a ute. that's a pickup oh like a utility. vehicle I don't know yeah I don't know. I'm just trying to use learn the lingo. but a ute is a pickup and it was a. Toyota hux diesel and is this what Adam. was driving around in no I can't. remember what his is there it is right.

there huh yeah that's a okay so it's. like a flat bed yeah H I'm not sure what. ad maybe Adam has that I can't remember. now one of the things I thought was. weird when I was there is how many. people have snorkles on their trucks. yeah yeah that one right there that's. driving through water well it's not just. water it's also dust they were. explaining to me that dust chokes up. your air filter so they have those uh. things way up high so that it uh when. the engine's getting the air like. apparently it mitigates a lot of the.

Dust cuz a lot of the Dust is like uh. headlight High yeah when you're driving. and that gets you a little bit more. clear air up there well that's out of my. wheelhouse I know bow hunting and. running well you knew the name of it no. I just noticed cuz they're cool well. whenever you go to like Africa or. whenever you go someplace that's [ __ ]. brutal you see a lot of Toyotas yeah. Toyotas know how to they know how to. make a car that lasts they do they do. but they're not I mean here it's just. like you know Ford Chevy you know I.

don't know CU we like American stuff I. guess so yeah but still you still see a. lot of like Old Land Cruisers yeah I. mean how many FJ Land Cruisers do you. see they in where we were on in the. outback driving around everybody has. those yeah every person has a truck set. up like that well you got I guess you. have to yeah if you you realize after. time like this is the only thing that. makes it yeah because Adam Wasing when. he drives from Sydney to Darwin you know. we took a 4 and a half hour plane flight.

but it's 3 days so you have to your rig. has to be bulletproof yeah basically. yeah they have an expression uh you. could take a Range Rover into the bush. but you need a Land Rover to get out of. the bush is that right yeah okay yeah. they they just those Toyotas it's just. it's kind of crazy how well they last. you know when you really think about. like for the longest time America did a. real [ __ ] job of making that last there. was a period in American cars from like.

the 1970s till I think till probably. like the late 90s to 2000 they finally. got it right now now we make very. dependable cars as well but for the. longest time we were making dog [ __ ]. well I don't know about all that but I. do know we're going to go up and do that. hunt me you and Adam and we're going to. do a Netflix special they don't Netflix. doesn't plan Netflix doesn't know this. yet why why why Netflix what what makes. you should we do it well it's a good.

move it's a good move doing something on. the Internet yeah I wanted to be like an. hourlong documentary style fil hunting. film giving back you know killing. Buffalo taking the meat back to the. community to the natives yeah yeah to. Abes yeah that's what I Envision that. sounds like a great idea um it could be. certainly it could be done on Netflix or. it could be done and you just put it. online you know that that could be just. as I mean Netflix is awesome for sure.

but there's some people that don't have. Netflix everybody has an online. connection yeah my. my my goal is to sort of use you because. people because I want to I want to I. want hunting to be shown in the light. that I know it to be which is hard work. respect for the country and the animals. and giving back so with you involved. more people care about it right and we. want to have you involved because we. like hanging out with you and like well.

I was explaining this to Adam too um. when we did my podcast up there in the. bush is like ever since I I've hunted. way back when Roy moved to Alaska and I. was left hunting the Wilderness on my. own I loved it so much I kept wanting to. find somebody who would love it as much. as I so I could say look how awesome. this is isn't this awesome and I kept. taking people there and trying to. convince them how awesome it was it.

wasn't awesome for him so it was like. but you want to share something that. impacts you so much with other people. who appreciate it so that's why that's. what that's what I was saying uh when. Adam and I were talking is that you know. you love bow hunting and so that's when. you are so interested and invested in. something and have such a passion for. something there's nothing better when. somebody than when somebody else shares. that passion right yeah so that that was. that was why there's a few different.

reasons why you were going to be. involved thank you I'm excited about. that but I I also think the difficulty. factor is what turns people off I don't. think they expect it to be so difficult. if you try to introduce bow hunting to. people first of all just shooting a bow. people think oh what's you pull the. string back you point at the spot you. let it go good luck with all that it. takes [ __ ] years takes years to get. competent with a bow and uh I remember. when you first uh started showing me how. to shoot when we first shot in my.

backyard and uh I I immediately. recognized I think like after first of. all you had a 90 lb bow which I. definitely shouldn't have been pulling. back my shoulder was [ __ ] killing me. after the first hour I was like like. this takes you got to build up to this. goddamn thing but then I remember. thinking like to be accurate with this. like I just went down a rabbit hole I'm. like I just took my first step down a. crazy rabbit hole and who knows where it. Le because this is not easy no and I'm I.

have a very addictive personality and I. I need to figure out ways to channel. that Addiction in positive ways because. I can get lost doing things that are not. good so bow hunting and archery itself. to me it seemed like okay this is a. discipline it's a worthy Pursuit it's. fascinating and I'm very very interested. in it yeah but for a lot of people I. think it's very daunting like I don't. think they realize it people think of. hunting as like Elmer fud like you know. you you go out there or they see some.

hunting scene in a movie where there's a. bunch of rednecks and they're fat and. they're sitting in a tree stand or. something like that and they think it's. easy they think it's a bunch of people. that are just killing animals and they. don't care and then when you actually go. out and do it especially if you go do it. with a person like you you understand. what this thing really is and what it. really is is this incredibly difficult. Pursuit that takes immense amounts of. hard work anded. and you got to be in [ __ ] shape for.

it and this is something that people are. starting to realize now and I think. you're a big part of this and over the. last few years and all the platforms. that you've gone on to tell your story. is that people understand that big game. hunting in the west and the western. style hunting elk and mule deer the type. of stuff that you love to do is very. very difficult it is a combination of. Athletics of extreme endurance of hiking. outdoorsmanship survival skills and then.

the knowledge of hunting and then you. have to be a good shot on top of all. that you have to know archery yeah then. you have to be able to keep you know. when that adrenaline hits when all of a. sudden and that's what's hard is people. have invested so much into it and. they've been thinking about the the M. the crunch time for so long that when it. happens it's too much and so it's really. hard when you've been thinking about. something for years potentially or at. least all year you know that oh here's.

my chance here's my chance and then you. get it and you're not ready yeah because. it's just too much to it's so hard to. stay calm well it's also something that. you need to do a bunch of times until. you understand it yeah it's like I try. to explain it to people about we were. talking about fighting earlier we were. talking about um when PE if someone has. never fought before and never competed. before the the scary thing is not really. the what's nerve-racking is not the. actual fighting itself once the fighting.

starts you're actually kind of like just. in the zone and you're just doing it I. mean you might be intimidated especially. if you're fighting a guy like Mike Tyson. or Anderson Silva or something like that. you're going to be [ __ ] in your pants. but the real terrifying stuff is the. buildup the leadup and that's kind of. the same thing with hunting it's the. moment before the shot it's your. adrenaline is pumping it's like if you. had to shoot an eightball across the. table a long shot and your life was on. the line it's almost like that and you.

don't get any warm-up shots there's no. warm-up shots just all of a sudden. here's this one shot for all the marbles. and you got to stay calm oh and the. animal might be moving yeah like oh well. [ __ ] no it's I was saying that on this. last hunt it was you know we had me Adam. and Remy Warren and supposedly we're. supposed to be pretty good Hunters the. best of the best and we were struggling. to get something killed and I was just. like imagine how frustrating this would.

be for somebody a new Hunter I mean it's. no wonder people try to bow hunt and. then just be like are you kidding me. this is impossible and it's but it's. it's that. challenge anyway it's that whole journey. which is why I want to do that special. yeah and I want I want to share all. that's positive about hunting and to as. many people as you know and we are. reaching new people these days you know. I mean hunting it's it's in the. crosshairs in. some aspects I guess but we're also.

other people are getting cuz I get I. mean I I I went to an archery shop up. there Benson's archery in uh Sydney and. we just had a few hours notice say hey. Adam Adam and I are going to stop by. swing by and quite a few people came I. mean it was it was surprising how many. people showed up but a lot of them were. vegetarians you know 6 months ago listen. to your show a lot of people told me oh. I found out about you from Joe Rogan or.

I didn't hunt or I I didn't even eat. meat and all these different stories all. these different from all these different. areas so we are reaching new people and. I want to make sure our message the one. of of of respect and reverence and and. appreciation for everything out there. and for survival and for just you know. outside of the life outside of the city. I want that shown in a way that I know. we would so that's why I'm selfishly. want this to be a big thing just because.

I'm sick of hunting you know the Elmer. fud thing or um you know I see I was. watching a movie the other day and they. showed a hunter and it's like the the. girl was on there and she was oh what. was that there's three girls that were. kidnapped and one of them and hunted as. a as a younger girl and so she was. like do you know what movie that is. anyway so she was had the upper hand she. was tougher and she was more prepared. because she had been a hunter and I'm. like oh that's cool but then they show.

her as a little girl hunting and her. perverted uncle had molested her oh. Jesus hunting drinking beer oh God that. movie split split yeah that's what it. was so the hunter in there was some. child. molester I'm like why it's the most. misunderstood and. misrepresented discipline I think uh. that we have here in America and it's. it's so confusing to people because when.

we think of uh food we think of. restaurants and we think of supermarkets. we don't think of wild animals and the. connection that people feel like they. don't have with their food is one thing. that comes up all the time lately so. people are constantly looking for these. Farm to Table places yeah like there's a. farm to table place out here um called. uh Peddler's Fork it's a really good. place they have great eggs like you get. the eggs they're like real dark yolk the.

food is all grass-fed beef or from a. farm that they have a connection to and. they buy the meat from the farm and. there's a lot of that these Farm to. Table places where they these. restaurants have a great relationship. with the people that actually grow the. food so everything's organic they know. where it comes from and people are super. connected to that they love the idea of. that because factory farming is kind of. freaking people out and for the longest. time it was happening without us knowing. you know think during the 80s and the. 90s it was all going on and no one no.

one understood yeah so now people are. becoming more aware because of the. internet because of information and. they're becoming more aware of where. their food comes from and you're also. seeing a higher number of people that. their response to this factory farming. thing is well hey I'll go vegetarian or. hey I'll go vegan and before I hunted. with ranella that was my thought I was. like I don't want to participate in. factory farming so what am I going to do. I'm going to do one of two things I'm. either go hunting I'm going to hunt for.

my own food cuz I knew there's something. wrong like it's too easy to just get a. steak I I would always like pick up a. steak and I go this used to be an animal. here I am at the supermarket now it's a. styrofoam container wrapped in Saran. Wrap like this is [ __ ] weird yeah. it's weird you could just do this so my. thought was if I shoot an animal and I. hate it like I didn't know how it was. going to feel I never shot I've fished. all my life I never but when I shot that. deer and I was like oh okay I get it I. get it yeah I mean it was an extreme.

amount of respect it's on video I mean. you can see it on mediator yeah anybody. wants to watch it you could watch it. online the first time I ever shot a deer. it was intense yeah you know and and. then cutting it up and eating it that. night I was like but this makes sense. yeah this is uh and then when you. actually find out that you know that. these animals the money that come come. from hunting tags and even from buying. hunting gear there's a percentage of. money that goes towards conservation and. this is all very carefully thought out. by people like you and by these people.

that that really respect and care for. these animals and you get deeper and. deeper into this and you understand what. it really is and then you see this whole. community of these people like yourself. and Remy Warren and these hardcore. Hunters that are also like deeply. connected to the land and conservation. and deeply appreciate these animals and. this is how they get all their meat This. Is How They Live and like that was. extremely feeling to me yeah it's a I. think Steve Rella has done a great job.

making getting that message out in a in. a in a perfect way really I mean he's a. great spokesman and and his show I used. to watch his show before meteor now I. can't remember what it was called the. wild within is that what it was yeah. yeah okay and and I remember he had just. something about him and I'm like okay. this is different I liked it I was a h. 100 you know I've been a h 100 myself my. whole life but his his portrayal was. different than what we'd seen before and. so you know maybe the me and some of the.

other people you've mentioned and and. Adam have just carried that on and and. try to do a good job of educating people. who don't know any better and I just you. know it it's like I wish. everybody could be out there I mean that. last day we were up up in the mountains. there um after I had killed my deer and. we had a a backstrap so we're picking up. camp. getting everything away but I had I had. a a awesome phow deer backstrap which is.

like the prime for people Don was a. Prime Cut and uh I cut it all I cleaned. it all off every piece of anything that. was on it hair if there's any uh tree. bark anything that was on there it was. just a perfect clean piece of meat I. sliced it all up um we got a green stick. to put it on um skewered it on on a. green um wood so if it's if it's dry.

wood the wood's just going to burn and. so you know you can't cook on that so. it's got to be green and we put it over. the fire there and it was we seasoned it. it was so good it was probably some of. the best meat I've ever eaten and. standing around the campfire just. pulling that off that that stick that we. had cooked it over the Open Flame was I. wish everybody could know what that was. like to know that that deer just. previous to that was alive in in the. woods we harvested them which is AKA.

killed him and then ate him and that's. that circle of life or whatever you want. to call it or or just that moment that's. I wish everybody could experience it. because I just think they'd have a. different take on on Hunt hunting and. hunters and uh being self- sustaining. it's very different meat is very. different when you've killed it yourself. it's impossible to describe without. experiencing it I mean I could try I. could give it my best shot but I'll fall. short but I remember eating that meat. that we ate uh when I was in Montana.

with ranella the first hunt and uh it. was so delicious and we're cooking it. over a campfire and Steve had brought. this little Grill not not a grill like a. grate you know that we'd set down over. the fire we SL put the meat on there. and it's like like if you buy a steak. and you cook it it's great tastes good. like oh this a good steak this is nice. but there's no connection there no none. when you eating an animal that you. killed yourself and it's difficult to do.

and you you were hard hunting for many. many days before you got that deer yeah. so there's this intense respect and. connection that I think we all I mean we. we harp on about it so many times that. people listen to these podcasts like. Jesus Christ you guys stop talking about. how awesome hunting is it's it's because. it's impacted both of us in a very very. positive way in a very uh there's a. primal genetic sort of uh ancestral. thing that's happening when you hunt. yeah there's there's a there's some.

lights that go off that you didn't even. know were there like oh I didn't even. know there was a switch over there click. and like oh this is a part of my brain. that's lit up that it was never lit up. before yeah and it's not it's not what. everybody thinks the the negative. aspects it's not a barbaric thing it's. not a cruelty thing it's a very. respectful thing yeah and I understand. the people that have bad feelings about. it I understand the people that look at. it like animal cruelty like you don't. have to do that you can get food other.

ways you can eat beans and you don't. need to do this I understand how they're. thinking but my thought process is very. different my Pro thought process is what. you're doing what I'm doing what all. these people that do that hunt is you're. entering into the wild and you're for a. small window a week or whatever it is. you're becoming a part of this crazy. cycle of nature you're taking something. out of that and leaving something as. well you're spending a ton of money um. that money whether it's uh the money for.

the Outfitters the money for the tags. the money for the gear all that stuff. percentage of that goes to make sure. that the habitat is maintained make sure. that the animal population is maintained. make sure that department of fishing. game is well staffed with biologists. with people that are monitoring these. animals because guess what if that. doesn't get done it's it's these animals. are not going to be there anymore. they're not going to be taken care of. and North America has the best wildlife. Management program or or management. system of anywhere and that's why almost.

all the species that we have here. there's more now than there almost ever. has been in even with shrinking habitat. because we're encroaching on on where. they live but we're still the numbers. still flourish because we're not Hunters. aren't just oh let's go kill wipe them. all out I mean we're it's managed it's. fishing game is managed are funded by. hunters and what we pay with with the. taags and license and so it's there's a. system to it but but at the end of the. day like there in Australia we were.

getting up in the morning out of the. sleeping bag grabbing our bow and taking. off we're Hunters that's it and that. that. feels man it it feels like I said I wish. people could know what it feels like. because I see people comment on my. social media and they say this isn't the. 19th century anymore you don't have to. be a neanderthal or whatever but it's. just we we are Hunters yeah well most of. those people cheeseburgers on their. Instagram Pages which is [ __ ]. hilarious there's so much of that this.

one chick she posted something mean when. I I posted a picture of some elk that I. was cooking and I said hey honey I go. you got I like to call girls honey. because it makes them feel like I'm a. sexist you got uh you got a [ __ ] BLT. on your page sweetie and uh she's like. well that was just from four months ago. before I was enlightened like oh you. became enlightened it's always the most. adamant vegans like just became one like. the most PR iing ruthlessly aggressive. ones I understand where they're coming.

from and I think that's very important. for to get our message across is that. like we're not animal haters this is not. this and it's it's hard for people to. understand that someone could love. animals and love the idea of animals and. love Wildlife but still eat them yeah. you know I I was I climbed up in this. tree there I I found this place where. the deer were coming into this. field and uh like I said this area had. been hunted but I I had figured nobody. had ever hunted out of a tree there you. know um not like a white tail back here.

you know in the in the East or in the. South that get Tre hunted all the time. so I'm like well I think I can get up in. this tree these deer coming out in this. area I probably have a pretty good. chance so I was up there in the. tree and uh these doees and fawns were. out in the field and they were running. around chasing each other playing I mean. it was just like speeding all around in. circles and bumping into each other and. uh it was cool to see and then this a. dough and a spike a young buck came out.

right under my tree the spike was 24 25. yards away basically a chip shot with a. bow especially had no idea I was there. and there was a thought that we were. getting low on meat in Camp and uh I. hadn't killed a deer so I you know I had. said before I'm like I'm killing any. buck that comes out I'm I'm I'm taking. him and then I I was watching him up. there and I'm just like I just you know. for me uh it's got to be the right.

animal it's not just like I'm I'm not. some bloodthirsty you know I still watch. the deer I still appreciate their beauty. and that you know they're frolicking. about or whatever you want to call it. and I still enjoyed that this this young. buck was down and IID said I was going. to get meat for camp but I'm not some. bloodthirsty guy so I just said well no. I'm just going to watch him and you know. enjoy it and he was there and then the. buck I ended up. killing stepped out and uh. you know an old Buck he was you could. see his hip bones because he was so run.

down from the rut and he was getting. older I could tell he was an older. mature deer and that's that's what I. want to take I want to take an animal. past its prime that has done his job for. spread his jeans for for the health of. the herd and was that's the animals we. want to take out and so he was he was. just a rundown old Buck that's the one I. took yeah people don't they that's the. problem a people. associate someone who wants to take an. older big mature animal with trophy.

hunting like oh you just want the. antlers you just want a big but they. don't understand that that is actually. the animal that you should take yeah and. he still ate he's still great meat yeah. you know sure yeah but I. mean it that that's just you know for. the health of the herd that's the one. you want right you know if you're doing. it right the young ones then will get a. chance to fill his spot and that would. be the natural position if there was an. this is the natural position if there's. Predators the natural position is the. really young ones like The Fawns get.

taken out and then the really old ones. start getting worn down they get taken. out and then everything in the middle. gets to breed yeah and then this guy. who's 8 years old or whatever he is he's. had plenty of opportunity to shed spread. his genetics and so his his offspring. will be everywhere and then they'll get. a chance now and and the thing is nobody. makes it out nobody makes it out alive. they're they're all dying we're all. dying so I mean just. so if I wouldn't have killed that buck. it doesn't mean he's going to live. forever I mean he's going to die one way.

or another he's not going to become a. fairy the fact that he died I shot him. and he was dead within seconds is. guaranteed and people are always talk. [ __ ] about this is the very best way he. could go yeah you don't want starving to. death or you know dying because his. teeth don't work anymore he literally. can't eat food you know this I've seen. animals where you um you look at their. teeth and there almost none left yeah. you get like a really old this buck. teeth were flat in the back so it's just.

when you can't eat they got to gum it. they can't gum enough they breaking it. down so it's uh you know and and Adam. also found two bucks that had fought and. got stuck they were fighting and a fence. was in between them just a cattle fence. they got stuck in the fence died yeah so. it's just their life is I mean how many. guys out here in the street you know. fighting kill each other get stuck. together it doesn't happen you it's it's. life in the wild is I mean unless you're.

out there and you witness things like. that you just liveing it's a it's not. real I think the real problem is. perspective you know I mean I think. unless you're there unless you're. experiencing the Wilderness itself like. uh I've talked about uh my experience on. Prince of Wales Island that um you know. Brian Ken and ryell and I uh we were up. there for I think we camped there for 6. days and you your your your idea of what.

like life is is only based on what your. perception is like what you're seeing on. a daily basis well hey you're seeing. Ventura Boulevard you're seeing. Billboards and oh new movies coming out. Keeping Up with the Kardashians here's a. new season look at that new Audi wow. that's a sweet looking car hey I got the. new iPhone all right and this is life. and then you're out there and you go oh. well this is life too total quiet yeah. like this. no cell phone service rain animals yeah.

and then it if you die no one's going to. know no if you fall and break your neck. and die right there something will eat. you no one will find you and that's. that's normal you're trying to stay warm. you're trying to get food and there's. more spots like that on this planet more. spots like that on this planet than. spots like Los Angeles yeah it's uh it's. weird yeah I don't know it's just it's. but that connection I don't know I I I. guess there's no there's no way to see. it in in front of your computer no but I.

want if we can film it right and share. it right I think people will get it. they're getting it a little now get it. more than what than right now so I mean. that's my goal with you know what we've. been talking about and I mean we talked. about the difficulty I did remember I. wanted to mention this um that hunt the. hunt was I mean I've been on a lot of. hunts in a lot of places over the years. years and uh I hadn't struggled like I. had on this it it it was so difficult I.

was telling the guys back there I said. um I'm questioning my life right now. what what what am I doing with my life. and it's just because I'm like I it's. not going to happen I'm not going to get. it done and the animals don't care about. my goals that they don't care about that. oh we're supposed to be making this. great film and portray honey and the. they're like no we're not has nothing to. do they're just staying alive that was. it so it's just like all everything that. I I felt like I wanted to do or achieve.

or my it was just like it's not going to. happen and it felt like God have I lost. it you know I mean I was it was just. like this is hard yeah but when it works. and you do it right and that shot. happens then it's just like okay and I. don't know it's just that that doing. something so difficult um and being. successful and I've said this before has. made me who I am you know I mean without.

without a challenge like that I don't. know I don't know where I'd be right now. so it's uh I don't know at some at. sometimes you cuss it and then man. you're just so appreciative of the. journey you know well those difficult. moments were the the only thing that. makes success worthwhile success was. easy if you woke up in the morning first. day yawn have a cup of coffee step five. steps there's the biggest deer that's. ever lived shoot one right through his. heart you wouldn't even feel it it. wouldn't it wouldn't be like no no and I.

don't think people understand how. difficult it is too because they watch. these TV shows If you ever watched a. hunting show they're half an hour long. so you're watching 22 minutes without. commercials right in 22 minutes you know. they usually build up for the first you. know 15 minutes well you know we came. close to them but we could not get a. shot and then finally they get a shot. what you don't see is that these it. takes days and days and days of 10 12. hours hot up and down mountains up and. down and up and down and when I met you. the reason why I got in contact with you.

and the reason why I met you is because. I was so confused as to why someone. would need to run ultramarathons in. order to get ready for hunting yeah I. was like what the [ __ ] is this guy doing. like why is he lifting weights and doing. all this [ __ ] for I didn't get it yeah I. was like this I was just getting into it. and I was trying to figure out like I. was I start to watch things on. television I was starting to read. certain articles and read certain books. looks and I was like well what is this. whole Fitness Connection to hunting like.

why do they need to be in shape I'm like. I'm in pretty good shape like what's the. big deal well I went with Rella and when. I went with Rella one of the things I. realized is like boy I got pretty winded. going up these [ __ ] Hills like hiking. hiking tires you out especially high. altitude and then I see your your videos. online and I was like what the [ __ ] is. this guy into and then um as I go deeper. and deeper into it I realized like oh. this is like an extreme Pursuit this is. not just like something you just go out. and do this is something that's really. hard to do and a lot of people they're.

I've read this one article about this. one guy who was unsuccessful 12 years in. a row elk hunting before he finally shot. an elk like 12 years like how many times. did this guy go out how many days did he. camp in the forest how many days did he. try to stalk and get winded or snap on a. twig at the last minute or you know the. elk sees them and bolts it most people. are unsuccessful yeah I mean n out of 10. every year unsuccessful I think it's. more than that like for El hunting with. archery it it's about it's about 10%.

success 10% yeah so nine out of 10 are. unsuccessful so people who don't hunt. who see you know dead stuff all the time. they think oh you just go out and kill. an animal right no right most 90% don't. it it is really hard and it's just like. until you're out there you got the bow. in your hand and you're trying to close. in on that animal and you're trying to. do everything everything right from A to. Z with and there's so many variables. during that whole path it's just like it.

it seems impossible sometimes you know. even even for me after 30 years and. there there's a very strange connection. that you get with nature and forget. about even the fact that you're pursuing. these animals to hunt them and eat them. but there's a very strange connection. that you get when you're out there in. that total quiet Woods where they live. you're in their world and you lock eyes. with them and you meet them and you see. them you're in this place with no cell. phone reception with no people anywhere. near you for miles and miles yeah it's a.

totally different feeling life shows you. uh another aspect of itself that you. didn't know existed yeah yeah and it's. out there every day yeah but we're just. you know living in our we're muted we're. we're very muted there's something about. cities and and this existence I mean. don't get me wrong I like it I like a. lot of it I like the fact that you can. go to a restaurant I like go into the. movies I like the fact that if uh you. know if your phone breaks you go to the. [ __ ] mall and get a new cell phone.

all that stuff's wonderful it's not not. bad but the other stuff is fantastic too. and we're disconnected a giant. percentage of our population lives in. these Urban environments that have a. complete and total disconnect from the. actual life on Earth yeah like life on. Earth is not just Urban environments. life on Earth has this broad spectrum of. of different ways it manifests itself. and to to experience all these different.

ones to be in Alberta and see black. bears in the wild to to be you know in. Colorado and see mule deer and be in the. woods and the mountains and to be around. these different animals it's a different. it's a different understanding of of the. actual existence that living things have. here on Earth that living things that. share the air you breathe and the water. you drink and the Earth itself that was. a that was the best part of that trip. cuzz we would split up uh Adam would go. one way I would go another way in the.

morning I'd have Mark wack with me he'd. have uh Jameson was his cameraman's name. would go with him and the best part was. at the end of the day hearing what. everybody saw not not not what if you. killed something cuz we didn't I mean we. were there a long time and didn't kill. very much but just what everybody saw. you know from the Bucks being locked up. that were dead to uh one morning we we. were up and uh well I heard something a. commotion up ahead of us and Mark Mark.

says it's a buck rubbing his aners and I. listened for a second I said no that's. two bucks fighting so we took off up the. hill and I got 25 yards away and these. bucks were just going at it just. fighting pushing each other around and I. I couldn't get a clear shot didn't get. up there in time to do that but that. story and then Adam would say well he. called in three Fox you know he did a. varment call and three Fox came running. in or he saw this many wild boes or he. was close to getting saw a giant phow.

buck and however it didn't work out and. then I would share a story about what I. saw you know about another brown snake. or something like that and that was that. was so fun just getting together over. over the campfire not talking about what. we killed but just what we saw and. experienced yeah you know and it's you. know I was flew home last night and just. got in this morning to LA and I'm. looking around the airport I was. thinking about all the people I wonder.

how many actually would get me you know. because I feel like an outsider a little. bit especially coming back from a hunt. and I'm just looking at everybody. thinking I don't get them they probably. don't get me but you at least understand. what they're doing I I I think you know. I mean when I was checking my luggage in. I was flew virgin coming back from. Sydney to LA and you know know the the. lady there the check in she's like uh. what's in that case and I said that's a.

bow a weapon I go could be yeah yeah. it's a bow and arrow what were you doing. I said hunting she's and she goes what. are we hunting oh don't tell me don't. tell me she didn't want to hear it and. I'm like did she have leather shoes on I. was like I was hunting Buffalo she's. like there's Buffalo here I said well. not here but yeah there's there's a lot. of buffalo in Australia and uh she's. like well I don't think you can fly with. a bow and arrow and I'm.

like I I don't think you've looked into. it yeah you can I said it's just like I. said it's not even like a firearm weapon. type thing it's just you just check it. in just normal but anyway I I I was. think I was like oh man that's how old. was this lady oh she wasn't old she's. younger than me. probably I mean but I don't think you. can fly with a bow and arrow why was she. telling you that I don't she never. looked into that I said I go well I. ended up you didn't have to do anything.

she said you're going to have to sign. all this stuff because they're not. allowed and I'm just like I said listen. I fly with this all over the world does. this the lady work there yeah no no oh. that's hilarious so she said they're way. more strict which maybe they are virgin. is more strict that's what she said she. go I said well just flew quantis to. Darwin and back and nobody said a word I. said and I've she go have you ever been. in Australia before with it I said yeah. I said I've listen I've Been Everywhere.

it's never an issue trust me I'm not. trying to believe I mean just trust me. so anyway but yeah it's just it's just. there's times when I'm just like God am. I the outsider or or what I don't know. well you know it's like we were talking. before this when we were on the way over. here about a show that wanted me to come. on and talk about guns but there's going. to be like a large audience and there's. going to be a bunch of people people on. the panel and you talk for S minutes and. you go to commercial break and I'm like. I'm not interested I'm not interested in.

doing that because I think that it's a. long conversation that you have to have. with someone and it takes a while for. you to understand their point of view it. takes a while for them to understand. your point of view it takes a while to. establish the fact that you're a very. reasonable person and this is a very. nuanced conversation much like when that. guy in France ran over a bunch of people. with his truck I don't think the truck. should be outlawed I think the real. issue human beings that are capable of. doing horrible [ __ ] why crazy people. right why are they capable of doing that.

let's get to the bottom of that and. let's stop ignoring all the factors and. just concentrating only on the weapon. right that kind of conversation is a. long conversation I think takes hours. and hours and you still might not get to. the bottom of it right that's how I feel. about like you talking to someone about. hunting like if you came over here it's. almost like I don't even want to tell. them like if someone says like that you. have a bow like what's in the case I got. a bow and arrow what do you do I. practice archery yeah it's easier that. way like to shoot at Targets oh you. target shooting oh that's cool that's in.

the Olympics yep it's in the Olympics. yeah yeah except my targets they move. and they have antlers yeah I know well. you can't tell them that it's I know I I. think I'm just like takes too long yeah. it does but I don't know I don't I think. I'm I just don't like hiding who I am. basically so I'm always I just say hey. this is what I do so yeah she's like. don't tell me I'm I was hunting Buffalo. I'm telling you I don't. care they're an invasive species no they.

live there you're going to hear you're. going to hear what I was doing whether. you like it or not nobody wants to hear. it well it's kind kind of like with my. with my social media I like putting up. stuff that so I can weed the people out. you know like holding holding the. buffalo head in the water I'm like okay. this is going to weed out some the. people who I really don't want here. anyway right they're gonna get mad at. you for sure but they would get mad. anyway yeah and. there's a lot of people that listen to. these conversations and they get a.

perspective that they would have never. had like there's a lot of people right. now that are listening that are in their. car that are on their you know on the. bus or whatever and they got the. headphones on and they're thinking about. this in a way that they never thought. about it before because in their mind. they've because of the fact they live in. these Urban environments and they've. never been exposed to hunting and they. get all their meat from a store or from. a supermarket or from a restaurant they. they just never heard anybody talk about. yeah and this is a it's a weird part of. our life it's a it's a dangerous. disconnect I think with life and death.

the dangerous disconnect of restaurants. and supermarkets well here's here's one. thing I think people just get tuned in. to what they're interested in and that's. it I mean even Instagram does it so on. the explore page or whatever that is. what comes up is what you look at yeah. so what comes up on my page is like. hunting and fitness yeah that's so it's. all that so so whatever you're looking. at whether it's gay guys or or cooking.

that's what's going that's what that's. your world so that's sort of what our. world is now is we only we're only. exposed to really what we want to be. exposed to you know and that's why I'm. like no I'm hunting Buffalo I I want. that lady to be exposed to something. different right right right so I I don't. know it's just um it's conf I don't know. what my point is well it's it's what. you're saying makes a whole lot of sense. is that people do they find these. communities with like-minded people and.

becomes an echo chamber yeah yeah. they're preaching to the choir and. that's goes all the way back to like a. million hours ago it feels like since. we've been talking about why that. Netflix thing is so appealing to me and. having you involved it's just because. we've reached so many new people and. hunting is so it's so important to me. and I think I mean just the just people. can understand what motivates us and why. it's important I just want that just. want that shown right you know shared.

right well there's definitely a way to. do it and I don't know where we should. go I mean whether it's um the Buffalo. place or somewhere else but I think it's. a great idea to do you know Steve rell's. show is on Netflix now and it has one. star yeah people are so angry they find. it and they [ __ ] you shouldn't have to. eat me you can get everything you want. from celery. yeah people get uh they get super super. aggro you know you want to make people. really angry tell them tell them that.

there's a growing body of science it. shows that plants are intelligent yeah. plants think and they feel they they. scream and all that they [ __ ] freak. out like babies you don't even have to. say that this justifies eating meat just. put that when I put that on Twitter just. the the the the data about that and. people will [ __ ] go crazy and attack. me for hunting yeah or if you talk about. all the animals that die when they're. when they're salads being made you know.

I mean know so it's different whatever. Lev they they put they prioritize or put. different importance on you know that. we've talked about that too that well. they feel like they're doing a good. thing and they are in in many ways look. if you're if you're shoing um factory. farming you're avoiding factory farming. and eating more salads and eating uh you. know uh Farm to Table. vegetables instead you are definitely. contributing to less death and suffering. 100% yeah but you're contributing to.

some you just are if you eat grain if. you eat grain you're contributing to F. first of all what do you care about do. you care about insects like where do you. draw the line because if you don't care. about insects well then you're okay but. if you do if you think that insects are. life well there's pesticides they're. [ __ ] they're they're it's a holocaust. every day out there for [ __ ] bugs. they're spraying those goddamn things. constantly I mean if you if you want to. have a healthy crops there's a reason. why they have these pesticides it's cuz.

they want to kill these animals that are. trying to eat the crops to kill these. little bugs well and and I don't know I. just keep going back to this recent trip. just because I think about and it's just. like here's another example so those the. brown snakes up there are second most. deadly and we saw a number of brown. snakes in the road while we were. driving Adam swerves around them you. know try to not kill him not kill him he. wants him to stay alive well yeah big. spider he had crawling on his face I saw. that thing why did he let that thing.

crawl on his face I don't know cuz he's. Australian different breed of human but. not killing where's that is that on his. Instagram uh it was yeah it is somewhere. see adam. green tree. bow hunting no he. he changed it to just Adam Green Tree. adam. Green Tree why I don't know the. bow hunting PL I think it was too. confusing yeah maybe I don't think he's. worried about that at all I don't know. angry people boy that guy seems immune. to to hate yeah it's a um he's a great.

guy he's uh but he he is sensitive too I. mean he's it's not that's what I'm. saying it's not like we're just clo cold. blooded Killers right you know what I. mean there's one time we we didn't have. an argument but I I didn't believe him. about something and he was so upset he's. like I he goes I'm brutally honest you. know and he's like mad that I didn't. believe him so it's not it's like he's a.

a warm-hearted person he's not just a uh. not running over snakes and kill robot. no no no and so people think that we're. just these these cold blooded Killers. out there barbaric or whatever no no I. feel like and I don't want to judge. people who aren't but I feel like we are. just we understand the circle of life. better yeah I don't know well you're. definitely more accustom to being around. it definitely more you know I think like.

I said I I have friends that are vegans. I know a lot of vegans and people think. that for some reason I hate vegans I I. mock a lot of things I make fun of. things that are that are targets and a. lot of like the prz nature of vegans and. the the Angry self-righteous moral High. Ground stance that they take is is easy. to mock it's right there it's it's easy. and I think. I think most of the people that do it. they do it for good reasons most you.

know trying the lifestyle and eating. that way yeah but there's also health. problems with it you know and and people. don't like you saying that either I know. a lot of people that have tried it and. they give up after a while because it B. My Friend Sophie from The Comedy Store. she just started eating eggs again yeah. for the longest time she was just trying. to just go straight vegan she kept. getting her blood work back and it. wasn't healthy or or um actually she. wasn't she wasn't the blood work Sam. Harris was the blood workery he he he. went vegan for a while but his blood. work was all [ __ ] up so he started. eating fish and eggs and yeah it's like.

there's people that different. bodies are more adaptable to different. kinds of diets and some people just. don't do well on an all plant-based diet. and maybe they're not as disciplined as. some folks maybe they're not doing it. right I don't know yeah it's hard to say. everybody's everybody's different but I. don't think there's anything wrong with. going out and killing animals and eating. them and I think that's where we differ. from a lot of people that think that you.

should not be allowed to do that you. should not be allowed because it's. barbaric I don't think it's barbaric I. think it's spiritual and that's what. what freaks people out they get very. angry if you say that yeah but they but. they wouldn't get angry if you talked. about Native Americans doing it it's. very interesting and and the thing is is. like the big difference is I don't care. if they don't eat meat I don't judge. them for not eating meat but they Jud us. for killing you know what I mean so it's. it's pretty one-sided as far as they. won't accept being a hunter and being.

self-sufficient well any hunter I know. isn't going on vegan pages and and. talking [ __ ] you know what I mean I mean. so it's it's just weird how they're so. hateful and. so one side you know up on their Soap. Box yeah and I don't feel like we we do. that I mean I know there people do it I. know there's going to be people that say. they're going to say. well first of all they can say how many. times am I going to be on here as many. times as he can come what's theot of the.

podcast folks what's the record of the. most people on here I don't know for the. G most number of I don't know repeat. guests somebody probably. knows probably Joey Diaz Call's probably. pushing call yeah call all the all the. fight Companions and everything Eddie. Bravo yeah oh that's true and then. they'll say more talking about more. boring hunting [ __ ] that's fine no you. don't have to listen folks lot I do a. lot of podcasts I got one later today. with Jordan Peterson I guarantee you. we're not going to be talking about.

hunting what's that who's that he's a. professor of the University of Toronto. he might hunt he might I don't think he. does though uh he hunts liberals but he. um one of the things is about um what we. were talking about earlier that we were. saying that people sort of find their. area and it becomes like an echo chamber. and I think that's one of the issues. with with whether it's veganism or even. hunting is that I think that people they. need to be have these dialogues with. people that don't necessarily agree with. them so they can find out how the other.

person thinks and you know if you do if. you are talking to a person who's a. hunter and you find out that they're. actually just a cruel psychopath like. [ __ ] man I wouldn't want to hang out. with that guy yeah I mean I haven't. experienced that but I know they must be. out there yeah so if if you were sitting. across them having freaks in everything. and everything yeah and you were having. a conversation with someone like that I. mean it it would be it would be. disturbing but I think that most people. that uh are especially people like.

yourself or a guy like Remy Warren or. Steve Rella very well spoken who's also. an advocate for conservation loves. Wildlife if they sat down and had a long. form conversation like this with someone. who's a reasonable person who's a vegan. for all the right reasons who's a vegan. because they care about life and because. they they want to be crueltyfree and. they want to live life with as little. footprint as possible. I think they'd be surprised at how much. Common Ground they find yeah I mean if. you if if anybody spent a day in the.

woods with Remy or Adam they'd be. shocked at how much not hunting they. know just how much they know. about the environment about about where. they're hunting about different species. about the animals and tendencies and in. foliage and I mean those guys are. amazing yeah and I think that almost. like we're talking about like with the. aborigenes where we kind of losing their. culture we're losing out on an. understanding of how these people lived.

there's a little bit of that could be. said about the the the culture of. hunting is that if it goes away and if. it there was a trend about 10 maybe 15. 20 years ago where from what I've read. at least obviously I'm pretty new to it. I've only been hunting for 5 years but. that they were considerably worried they. were really worried there was a real. thought that the next next few. Generations that hunting was going to. dwindle down to such a such a low number.

that Hunters would not have the same. sort of impact in in terms of uh. politically where they could affect the. retaining of public lands yeah and which. is a huge issue with with with Americans. today and you're seeing it with this. Trump Administration where you're seeing. the erosion of the Environmental. Protection Agency and the erosion of the. status the protected status that some. national monuments have and public lands. have people are super nervous and you. had a conversation a long conversation. with Jason chavit chaitz chitz how you.

say his chaitz chaitz who had a very. controversial bill that he had out that. was pulled back it was a bill to sell. off public land that was pulled back. because of the activism of hunters and. people care yeah it was a it was what. they deter what they were going to um. determine was disposable yeah 3 million. Acres. disable that was that was HR 621 and. then there's HR 622 also so there's two. of them kind of backtack different 622.

just took away the law enforcement on. public lands which and in and they. wanted to take it from the the federal. government um to and give it to the. state which people think that's just a. way where the states can say well we. can't afford it so we're going to have. to sell this public land exactly um. because it's a resource and and the. states have to the states have to. balance their budget every year federal. government doesn't so if the state has.

to balance its budget and it's not. penciling out and they can sell x amount. of acres and that's going to help. they're going to do that that's all. there's to it so um yeah that is there's. also Wildfire protection oh yeah yeah I. mean a bunch of issue fighting wildfires. is all it's a federal issue but if it's. private land if the state sells it all. that shit's gone yeah there's no more. protection yeah and you look at um I. don't know it's uh that's a big one and.

so Sportsman's really stepped up and. that was through social media how they. can now we have more of a voice than. we've ever had you know before it was. just these politicians making decisions. and you know the little us little people. didn't really have a say now we have a. say I mean Jason um Chait you'd think. well why would he care You' look at his. Instagram page he might have you know I. don't think he has 20,000 whereas we. have pretty big numbers especially you. so if you mention something about it he.

gets overwhelmed with hey are you. looking out for us are you doing the. right thing by us um we we won't vote. you in next time and so then it makes. those guys think holy [ __ ] well did you. see his town hall meeting yeah I mean. it's crazy it's all Sportsmen and sports. women showed up and all people that care. about public lands and they went crazy. yeah that I I that was uh that I kind of. a go I was yeah I was had mixed em mixed. feelings on that because the yelling and.

stuff doesn't it at least it sends a. very clear message if people are upset. it doesn't accomplish much as far as. there but yeah it it sends a message for. sure yeah it's a danger and he's not. going to be a politician anymore no I. know he's resigning and I don't know I'm. not sure I haven't you know I see every. once in a while he likes some of my. stuff so it's like um I hear he's going. into male. prostitution that's what I heard is that. true Jamie can you Google that I just. made that up I know Jason if you're.

listening I'm a comedian and I'm sorry. no don't sue me he he seemed like just a. super nice guy but it's he's a. politician and I told him I said list he. was I go listen you're the first. politician I've ever met and and he's. like oh you've lived a Charmed Life. puzzled by representing shavit's. decision to quit Congress well I I bet. it's that [ __ ] going to that town. hall and having all those people. screaming him probably thinking what am. I doing well he's you know like I said. he seemed nice but maybe that. politicians have to be personable that's.

how they get elect of course you know. you ever watch House of Cards no I have. good show should watch it yeah freak you. the [ __ ] out if it's really like that. you should be scared we should all be. scared so I'd like I'd like to learn. more I haven't I haven't asked him you. know what's going on or whatever but. yeah I mean I was I like the fact that. he at least took time out to talk about. it mhm you know instead of just and I'm. not sure why he did but I appreciated. the fact that he did well it's he's an. interesting guy because he saves money.

for the People by sleeping in his office. he has a cot in his office that he. sleeps in to save money on hotel rooms. for for for the people so it's like it's. not like he's a total piece of [ __ ] no. you know he's I didn't get that feeling. but um. renel has a very bad opinion of him. based on his record with defending. public land right and re thinks that he. does not understand the significance of. these decisions these decisions are they.

are a step in the wrong direction that. will snowball out of control and it will. eventually lead to privatizing of public. lands and the loss of the access to them. by the American people that you know was. all set aside by Teddy Roosevelt and all. those people that had such great insight. and foresight back in the day yeah and. that's you know that was the worry with. he he says well no I'm just taking the. Law Enforcement away um from these lands. and or not taking it away but giving it. to the state and like I said with the. whole budget saying so people were.

thinking that when they don't have. enough money not just for the law. enforcement but for uh enforcing illegal. Tim Timber Harvest Right and dumping. trash and so when all that happens that. that lessens the value of the land so. when the value of the land is lessened. then it's just like okay whatever this. is a a garbage dump anyway right so it. it makes it easier so they thought that. was just a step in the transition of. moving taking that away from public land.

and privatizing it so that's re's. opinion and may maybe it was I don't. know well he seemed like Jason seemed. like a very nice guy when you were. interviewing him I don't know enough. about that particular issue but when you. talk to Guy like bnell who is deeply. invested in it and very well read on it. he uh is of the opinion 100% that it's. an incredibly negative idea both HR 621. which is gone and 622. which he thinks is equally negative and. he thinks it's essentially like um a. troan horse right and that's and I told.

him that's what I said too is I said you. know Sportsmen don't support 622 either. do girls get mad when you call it. Sportsman probably is there another word. Outdoors people I Sports people you. can't say sports people you're like what. lacrosse players what are they I'm so. sick of that are you it's cuz you're a. man your male privilege is showing son. of a [ __ ] I thought it was white. privilege that too oh you got to have it. all American privilege White Privilege. cisgender privilege peanut butter and. jelly racist yeah peanut but jell is.

racist had that on I didn't even know. what that was about all I saw was your. post and the headline I'm just like I. didn't surprise me though people think. that peanut butter and jelly is racist. this is how deep it gets because white. people eat peanut butter and jelly. whereas black people don't necessarily. eat peanut butter and jelly so to have. peanut butter and jelly as a food choice. in school school for kids is racist cuz. other ethnic groups don't. necessarily eat peanut butter and jelly.

what in the [ __ ] well first of all who. doesn't like peanut butter and jelly uh. some Communists I think maybe Chinese. folks. Childers Huns Hunters probably don't. yeah that guy from that movie that. molest that girl um yeah who North. Koreans maybe maybe the most evil ones. maybe they don't like peanut bur jelly. probably [ __ ] NOS I don't know it's. ridiculous delicious food Choice people. are just working too hard to be offended.

that's you're exactly 100% correct right. there people are working too hard to be. offended yeah yeah there's a there's a. lot of folks out there that just looking. for something to get T ticked off at. it's uh it's too easy it's too easy to. get by you know and I think that's also. something that happens when life is too. [ __ ] easy yeah there's not enough. struggle we were talking about kids and. about putting your kids through. difficult things so they understand. accomplishing goals and they understand. how things aren't easy you have to.

struggle through stuff and how it's hard. today because you know you're doing well. I'm doing well our kids are fine you. know they they don't have to worry about. where food's coming from it's going to. be there you open the fridge there's the. food yeah you know so you have to figure. out like okay how do you get this kid to. understand and appreciate the value of a. difficult task overcoming that difficult. task and feeling that good feeling that. you have of building character and of. and knowing yeah I can push through. something like you had to do during that.

tough hunt very difficult questioning. yourself then finally. success and then you have that good. feeling the good feeling of success and. of accomplishment and of realizing that. you will fight those demons in your mind. and that you will stay the course and. keep hammering as it were get through on. the other end with success you've done. it before and even though you've been. doing it for [ __ ] decades those. questions still come to your mind that's. and that for me personally that's why I. work as hard as I do just because you.

get wakeup calls like that and you're. just like okay I got to be on my aame. well it's one of the reasons why I like. doing really difficult things which. leads me to what you've got me into is. running I've been [ __ ] running lately. I run all the time now man I run [ __ ]. Hills it's crazy I run Hills I put a. backpack on with a weight plate on I. [ __ ] walk Hills I'm like what am I. doing often are you running several days. a week really yeah depending on whether. or not I'm home like that route that we. did y I do that route and I also do that.

Steep Hill near my house yeah I do that. there's a couple different routes that I. go how's it I mean is it easier than. easier but it still sucks a fat dick. that's problem that's what I was about. to say it's like that's running hey that. could be a shirt running sucks a fat. dick but I love it. whoops it it's it's it's. definitely slightly easier yeah but. though you you remember that [ __ ]. steep steep hill once you get to the. bottom and then you go back up that's.

awesome that's it is awesome but it is. always hard there's no it's never easy. when I'm getting to the top of that. thing but I can make it all the way up. to the top now I stop really yeah I can. make it good that's awesome it's [ __ ]. brutal but I made sure that I could get. there [ __ ] it's hard and but you you did. mention that it has helped your cardio. and other things oh dude well that's one. thing that I noticed like I I didn't I. didn't uh kickbox for a couple of weeks. because I'd been too busy doing other.

stuff and I wanted to keep with the. running because I was getting some. accomplish I I was getting some um um. progress out of it I was seeing progress. and then uh I started uh going back into. some of my other workouts it didn't. affect my weightlifting at all my kle. kettle bell workouts at all but man. kickboxing it really affected it yeah it. affected it a real positive way cuz I'm. doing all Hills so I'm basically. sprinting a lot yeah your heart rate's. jacked spiked and so when I was uh I was. doing rounds on the bag the other day I.

was like Jes I got a lot of wind is kind. of crazy that's awesome yeah I was like. deep into like the third and fourth. round and I was still slamming the bag. and I was like this is weird like I've. got like an extra gear here did uh have. you dropped any weight yeah I've dropped. a few pounds probably like somewhere. between 194 and 196 where I was I was. hovering around 200 but I've dropped. down before four just by my diet which. got shitty again got shitty again when I. went to Mexico I gained like 8 pounds in.

a week in Mexico beer and Mexican food. that's not good that's not good for. weight control that's weird it's. definitely not tastes good though yeah. well I haven't been doing Jiu-Jitsu very. much when I do Jiu-Jitsu a lot I [ __ ]. the weight just flies off I can eat. anything I could eat I could eat a horse. but it's uh Jiu-Jitsu is just so calorie. intense. yeah you know I mean the way it burns. you just fighting for your life well. what's what's your running.

goal um I don't have a running goal I. just I'm definitely going to keep doing. it and keep getting in better shape and. then if something if I decide okay I. need something to strive for yeah then. here's my goal okay I going to do the. keep hammering 5K next year and [ __ ]. kick ass at it you instead of this year. when I did it where I was like oh Jesus. this is hard with zero running how about. this guy almost 25 seconds short of the. 2hour marathon barrier so crazy he he.

did break the world record though he. broke the new world record 2 hours and. 20 seconds 25 seconds I believe it was. so he was only 25 seconds short of. breaking what people think is this. unattainable record that's insane he'll. break it or someone like him break oh. somebody will yeah but it's so close so. Nike is apparently like will invest yeah. I don't think so I'm not built like that. guy they're all built the same way I. know they're all built like popsicle. stick super humid when he was running.

this to was like 70% humidity which. isn't like ideal so it's like breathing. hot water that's high well that probably. could have been the 20 seconds right oh. for sure maybe they could do that in. Seattle in the winter course he was. running on is in Milan I guess there's. an article I just read yesterday I think. it was on Tech crunch maybe or wired. somebody uh like a riter for there was. trying to break a half marathon and he. wanted to see if he could break a. 90minut or half marathon this his first. time running on that course and he broke. up like 2 and a half minutes oh so that.

there's something special about that. course too it's like a mile and a half. track I don't know why you'd be able to. run faster necessarily there but uh you. can and those shoes they made too or. what is what's the deal with the shoes. something spe super special training I. don't know exactly you can't buy them. yet you can like only win him off a. raffle for now maybe if he had Under. Armour he would have won that's it maybe. have this keep shoes if you have the. Under Armour keep hammer and shoes that. you could get at under armour.com can. you get your keep hammer and shoes can. you buy them anywhere I don't think so.

what the [ __ ] under arour get on the. ball you and you can't buy my my three. button shirt I always wear either yeah. well that's a rare thing shirt with. buttons just keep that away from the. public super important we are we are H I. don't know when it's going to be. released but the Cameron Hanes line is. coming out yeah the Cameron Hanes Under. Armour UA hunt line right yeah awesome. and you're going to have a say in how. it's designed oh yeah it's awesome it's. the boots are amazing yeah yeah. beautiful boots uh camo.

shorts uh pants um base Lair hoodie. jacket it's killer and when is this all. this stuff you don't know when it's. coming out no I don't know no but. they're in the in development stage. right now yeah I think they they texted. me when I was in Australia and said they. have samples in for me well it was. awesome when you took over the UA hunt. page on Instagram you're going to do. more of that now right I talked to Brian. off it we're going to Brian we're going. to get on the ball with. this yeah I mean when I took it over the. week that I took over there was so if.

you look at Impressions on Instagram it. went up 3 million that seems like a good. thing. Brian isn't it are we wait we're waiting. for a response look at Brian look at him. in the camera Brian what's up you can. look at him up there oh what's. up yeah so no I and when Adam took it. over when we're on that Australia hunt. it it went up like they went. from what was it uh 493 th000 to 52,000.

followers so pretty good jump yeah it's. a good jump yeah I posted it on. Instagram too yeah and it's just a. matter of putting out interesting. content yeah well that's what I was. saying like the Instagram story was nice. but I would have really loved it if you. guys were stream if there was a way to. stream like more often like you had like. very specific moments where you're. streaming yeah and I think that as. technology advances especially did you. see what uh Elon Musk is trying to do. he's trying to fill the world with one. gigabyte internet what he's gonna do is. launch satellites into the air that's.

going to allow people to have one. gigabyte is [ __ ] insanely fast yeah. and if that happens you can stream live. from anywh but say goodbye to privacy by. the way there's going to be drones. filming people [ __ ] right outside. their window it's going to get really. crazy but live but what's going to be. interesting is you're going to be in a. place like where you were and you could. you know call people from your phone you. could film things you could stream live. and all that stuff would be available. and you would have real internet access.

in the in the bush and and that's what. people people like that I mean they're. already asking when's the film coming. out you know we we filmed this Mark wck. with his company sub seven filmed it for. under arour and we're like we got to. turn this thing around fast and I saw. Under Armour put up that's going to come. out in the fall [ __ ] that Under Armour. [ __ ] listen it's [ __ ] May no okay. people like I mean Chop Chop people. don't have patience anymore I don't have. patience anymore I don't either I would. like you to finish the sentence quicker. please I I saw uh I saw Mark wack we got.

off the plane together in in La here and. I'm like hey you get that movie done or. what on the plane yeah he said he was. working he had been editing so I'm like. all right let's get that thing posted so. I I don't know I mean people are primed. for right now they followed along and. and are super invested in it and it'd be. it'd be awesome to get it out quick. listen I'm your manager now so I'm going. to make some calls we've already decided. we're going to make things happen. quicker yeah you got me running you got.

me doing a lot of [ __ ] [ __ ] dude you got. me doing a lot of things that I didn't. think I'd be doing oh that's awesome so. uh I owe you well good so I'm going to. make some calls I owe you too for uh for. giving me this to talk about platforms. well listen I really do think that it's. made a big impact and I think you and. renella and Remy Warren and Adam and the. people that I've had on and Jim shaki. and you know real representatives of the. noble. Pursuit the the real the the.

real like hardcore enthusiasts that. truly have a deep love of Nature and. they given these people this this. platform and giving these people this. this way to communicate these ideas I. think the the millions and millions of. people that have listened to you guys. it's changed perception and I think that. that perception is there's a ripple. effect and that perception is lead. people to maybe read your book um or you. know read maybe rell's book me eater or. maybe listen to some of these books on.

tape or maybe you know look into Aldo. Leopold or look into some of these. people that have really been these huge. figures in conservation and of the love. of Wildlife and hunting and they'll get. a different understanding of it than. people have had because of movies like. that split movie where the hunters are P. portrayed as a child molester it's like. right now you know they you said hunting. was dying or you know that that was the. fear and now there like in my Instagram. page it's 20-year-old guys you know that.

are are into it and are are buying bows. and the bow wck back home is packed and. you know Eva Shocky and I will do. appearances and we have a line that goes. for hours you know young girls waiting. for her cuz she's a hunter you know and. her book coming out taking aim is about. that lifestyle so I mean I feel like. we're sort of turning the corner maybe a. little bit and so we just keep that. momentum going I think for sure it's. turning the corner I mean as far as the.

what I see and the the communication. that I get with people online I mean the. bock is are they experiencing an up jump. in sales yeah I mean Wayne yeah I mean. Wayne the other day like I can't even. remember what day it was but he sold. something like 40 bows the day in a day. that's crazy yeah that's like for folks. who don't know that's like 50,000 plus. dollars in bows in a day and Bows are a. specialized thing it's not it's not. something that people you know it's it's. a very there's a steep learning curve to.

get involved you know like we were. talking about it about if there was a. hoit Academy yeah in California if. there's a place to go there's not a. whole lot of places to go like when you. took Scott Eastwood you went to that. place down at Riverside Riverside arer. is that what it was there's a few great. places like that but there's 30 million. people. might of those SPS you know I would love. it if ho had a place where ideally they. had more than one place you know where.

people could go and you would get fitted. they would find out what's your proper. draw length you know what how you know. what weight should you start at what you. know weight arrows should you start at. someone could teach you how what the. proper form is how to release an arrow. correctly and really understand just I. mean even if someone never wants to hunt. just understand the the meditative and. beautiful effect of just launching an. arrow at a Target and have it hit that X. the witchery of archery witchery yeah is.

it witchery that's a book oh really or. the Witchcraft of archery well or Zen In. The Art of archery is a great I think. that's a book the Witchcraft of archery. you look that up I'm almost positive I. read it really. mhm Jamie come on help me out you're. leaving me hanging I I witchcraft of. archery is it no uh yes nope yes come on.

it's probably uh only one. copy guy handed it to you I'm going to. look it up I wrote this oh you don't. believe him wow the Witchcraft of. archery here we go witchcraft of archery. witchcraft plus archery classes book. it's not looking good Archer witchcraft. P Pagan witch Sports in the witch oh no. um nope not looking good not the. Witchcraft of archers according to the. read something like that all right.

interesting okay just can we edit this. part out. nope just. kidding the sorcery of archery yeah it's. F it's a beautiful discipline I mean. even if someone never chooses and. honestly if you really want to get into. hunting just straight up hunting you. probably should start with a rifle. anyway it's a far easier way to do it no. no don't say that or wear earplugs if. you do do it you don't want to blow your. ears out for sure another problem that. I'm running into is a lot of people have.

been hunting for a good portion portion. of their life have bad hearing I know my. ears ring all the time from when I rifle. hunted that's crazy when I was just a. kid cuz I used to go shoot my 300. Winchester magnum up at the rock pit I. mean this thing was so loud and I used. to love shooting and I was like oh. you're a [ __ ] if you w i mean nobody. wore hear hearing protection is that. crazy it's just like nobody wore bike. helmets either you know what I mean so. it's the same type of thing but now my. ears just ring so all the time yeah all. the time that that shows your taste in. music that's why why I listen to some of.

your Instagram stories listen to music. you're listening to I'm like Jesus. Christ ears are ringing when your ears. are ringing like it sounds better. like what the country or the rap R some. of the rap you listening to No the rap. is good me me and Adam listened we drove. drove to Sydney for two hours and I. think we listen listen to uh Kendrick. Lamar uh his new song like probably 20. times wow in a row yes did you guys like.

sing the words along like look out the. window say the n words did you say sing. along with the NW or do you guys get. silent during that part just kind. of that is a funny thing man with white. people like what are we supposed to do. what are we supposed to do when it gets. to that part of the song I know it's. called be humble oh be humble that's a. song no that's a song Oh be humble and. then be humble too when the the n-word. comes up just realize yeah it's actually.

be humble [ __ ] be humble oh really yeah. it's a good one that's mixed message do. you know that one Jamie yeah yeah I was. GNA I was going to ask you how they like. that new album down in Australia with. the Kendrick lar the Kendrick yeah yeah. he know about it until you brought it up. to him well no he made fun of me always. putting my in my music on the insta. story. rap a lot you like a lot of rap though. yeah and country that's kind of what I. listen to but then he had this song I'm. like okay hey where the hell do you.

think you learned this song from from me. and what did he say I don't know made. something up probably lied are there any. Australian rappers I think there are I. not not that anybody knows but I I. remember they had we had the radio on. down there and they there was some rap. on there that I had no idea what it was. so it has to be from. there well there's so many different. rappers now though there's no way you. could know all the stuff it's like we've. reached a weird saturation point with. music where there is no God I mean every.

year they're coming out with new music. yeah I know but I mean you get used to. the certain sounds or certain Styles and. this was like something I had never I've. I've listened to a lot I was in Brazil. you were in Brazil with me yeah uh but. one time when I was in Brazil I was. listening to some rap music some. Brazilian rap I was like this is badass. yeah I what they're saying isn't stupid. cuz it's I don't understand Portuguese. but it sounds badass yeah it's a great I. I think it would be great to work out to.

yeah you don't know what it's not as. distracting right like if their lyrics. are corny yeah yeah I don't know I don't. know but I think there is Australian rap. but it's not Kendrick Lamar be humble. Iggy Iggy iselia is the oh right now. most famous one but but igia she's she's. from Australia oh she's white white. privilege don't they have any black. people over there they do right but. expats American expats sneak over there.

that yeah I'm not sure. okay that's one of the few places I. would live outside of America yeah like. if the [ __ ] hit the that's nice there. Canada and Australia those are my spots. yeah it's cool I mean Sydney traffic is. ridiculous though they [ __ ] driving. the wrong side of the road they're all. confused they're over on the left like. what are you doing over here go over. there go over there let's switch this. around everybody that's probably why. it's all messed up yeah like look the. roads are in place everything got roads. in the right spot drive on the other.

side yeah simple fix yeah simple fix how. is Sydney so traffic filled I mean how. many people live in. Sydney 5 million whoa that's crazy yep. five million that's crazy no okay think. of that because there's 30 million. people in all of Australia right or is. it less I think it's a little less. probably less okay let's say it's 20. million so it's that would be like if. there was 75 million in Los Angeles yeah.

percentage of more that it'd be more it. be like 80 million like 80 million. people just in Los. Angeles there's only like like a few big. city I mean like. Melbourne or I probably said it wrong. 23.78 million in all of Australia and. five are in Sydney Jesus Christ that's. cra crazy 25% of the entire population. it's a beautiful city though I love it. Sydney's really awesome yeah no it's. great it's just we were going to go to.

the bow shop and I said you know I go to. the bow Shop's in Sydney right he's like. yeah I said how long is it going to take. to get there so we did it on the map. quest thing or whatever an hour that's. like I said this like La this sucks an. hour it's in the same city I didn't. expect that well up there in Eugene. everything's fine you don't have to. worry about [ __ ] up there you got two. lane road roads there's no cars if you. don't make it through one traffic light. cycle you're like what the hell is going. on I got wait this is [ __ ] yeah well.

you get used to a place like that man. you know and life is nice and calm and. it feels different like life feels. different in a small town it's like. there's a I feel like this is some woo. woo spiritual [ __ ] that I have no uh. no science behind whatsoever but I feel. like people give off energy and I feel. like cities whether or not something's. happening or not the amount of humans in. there there's a certain amount of energy. that you feel and when you're in a. smaller town you're calmer yeah I really.

believe that I feel like there's. less and I don't think it's just the. activity just just cars and I think it's. the actual amount of humans in an area. like there's some sort of a psychic. energy that they give. off you're not buying it I don't know. Jam's not buying it either maybe the. witchery of archery haha Maurice. Thompson I knew it I have that book 1878. wow see what is witchery is that a real. word I told you I was right you I'm.

redeemed five out of five stars in. Barnes & Noble it's it's a good book wow. so it's in Barnes & Noble yes um can I. get it on a Kindle find if I can get on. a Kindle. prob yeah Witcher archery speaking of a. whole different um I don't know what you. just said but I'm going to be I'll be in. my Cub cubicle tomorrow no you won't you. got to quit that job dude today yeah. should I just call right now let me call.

for you oh yeah you're my manager yeah. I'm your manager kindall nice 599 I'm. getting it thank you thank you young. Jamie the Wich Trey of archery and if my. [ __ ] Kindle and I try to enter it in. he like Noe nothing exists I'm like. listen [ __ ] we've already gone through. this all right yeah it's it's so crazy. that you keep a full-time job it's just. uh I don't understand how you do it and. that's also with a lot of people that. get involved in hunting the amount of. time that it takes like people don't. have the time like I was I was listening. to Jason Carter on some podcast he was.

talking about pursuing one individual. Buck for like two weeks yeah and I was. like who the [ __ ] has two weeks to go. after one animal like this is crazy. who's got that kind of time only like a. real like four people Pro type character. yeah yeah that's you know it it it takes. time I mean it's just even just the. dedication to to regular practice takes. time for archery but that's the next. level there's not I mean archery is uh.

it's it really is in terms of hunting it. really is the ultimate Pursuit the. ultimate and difficulty but that's I. stop at The Compound thing people like. you got to try traditional archery. compound archery is for. [ __ ] settle down yeah enough is. enough how about kill it with a rock how. about you kill it with a rock like a. cave person did why you wearing shoes. [ __ ] I was wear shoes I was wondering. yeah I know I was wondering how anybody. would kill with a recurve where I was. hunting because I said my 245 feet per.

second bow was slow right that'd be. super fast for a traditional bow oh yeah. so I mean I could imagine with those. deer they just I don't know it' be very. tough very tough that tree you probably. could oh they wouldn't know you were. there but it sounds like the area you. were in they were very unnaturally hyped. up like they were unnaturally wired. because they've been Hunted by so many. people I think they're just normally. wired but when people kill them is when. they're rutting you know and so they're. distracted because they're it's a. breeding season so this is post rut.

those bucks are not even with Doe's at. all and they're you know just just tuned. in yeah but during the rut it would it. would be easier just be like hunting elk. during the rut as was opposed to not or. hunting a dude at a club with a. boner right people get distracted I've. never hunted a dude with a boner I'm. glad I'm glad to hear that I was. wondering I have questions sometimes I. get I beat around the bush to get to the. answer oh I got what I got what you're.

doing right. there yeah it is a this this it's funny. how these different animals have like. different seasons that they come into. like the idea that only one time a year. they breed like they're a mamal it's not. like a dog like dogs want to [ __ ] all. the time but like deer one time a year. yeah everything starts popping nature. says listen this is how it works you. want to have a baby in the spring so way. to do this you got to do it in the fall. okay in the fall you got to get cracking.

and then she's got to take some time to. cook up that baby and drop that baby in. the spring and that's good but it's B. bizarre yeah with there's actually some. bucks that were they call it croaking. which is grunting cuz um they weren't. really the full rut but some dos that. didn't get breed the first season if if. they don't get breed they come back into. heat so we call them second cycle dos. they were coming in so the Bucks I mean. they'll they'll do it whenever they just.

got to wait for the female right so the. Bucks were actually still sort of. rutting a little bit we heard some. croaking that was full on no that's just. a few dos that hadn't been bred well. that's one of the coolest things about. elk hunting there's nothing like the rut. when you hear elk screaming like if the. people have never experienced that. before even if you have no desire to. hunt please go to a place where elk live. during the rut just to hear it cuz it is. so wild they're so loud and the sound.

sounds like something from The Lord of. the Rings doesn't even seem real and. you're going to be in Utah this year oh. yeah remember that we're going to Utah. I'm very excited yeah well we're. definitely going to film some stuff. there yeah we're definitely going to. film some stuff we'll do some Instagram. stories we'll we'll definitely get some. footage and we're definitely I mean we. got some footage from last year when you. and I were in toone Ranch that I put up. on Instagram some elk screaming but we. were pretty far away we're a couple. hundred yards away and it's wide open. whereas Utah is a little bit more wooded.

and we'll we'll try to get a little bit. closer yeah those bowls will be coming. close I'm very excited oh I can't wait. either I can't wait just to see you um I. can't wait yeah yeah I mean thanks for. introducing me to this man it's changed. my life really has it's been been great. to share it with you and and it's been. great to have you on to share it with. other people and just share not just. that but your entire disciplined. approach to this whole lifestyle that. you live I think it's very inspiring to. people I think it's very important and.

uh you're you're a shining Beacon out. there Cameron Haynes so keep keep. hammering as it were and your podcast. keep hammering you got a new episode. that you just gave to Jamie so it'll be. up today Jamie's going to post it today. young Jam's on the ball yes all right. ladies and gentlemen we'll be back at. 1:30 p.m. with Jordan Peterson and uh. I'm fixing to go check out the new. studio we got a we signing the lease. today folks s popping we're very excited. I'm going to show cam too all right. we'll be back soon and uh so.

uh yeah that's it see you. soon oh. [Music].