Joe Rogan Experience #956 - Guy Ritchie

boom yes boom we're live what's up. brother how are you man how are you Joe. you got a A little pocket hanky there. the whole deal well I tell you should I. tell you why I wear a pocket square. please because if you don't wear a. pocket square you have the appearance. that you've been squeezed into a sports. jacket or a suit for conventional. reasons that your mom put you in there.

or you're off to church or something or. you go to the office right as soon as. you put a pocket square in there you own. the jacket it's your idea not someone. else's idea ooh dude you're thinking. several steps ahead I like. it we're going to get into this aren't. we JN we are going to get into this well. we were talking before the podcast about. these press. junkets and about how you entertain. yourself by forcing yourself to use a. certain. word yeah the danger the the worst thing.

in the film business is press junkets. and as you were saying they're rather. ineffective and that's my suspicion too. they're not they're also inefficient and. ineffective because you sit in a chair. someone comes in and they ask you a. question why how how good an actor is. David beckam when he's is an Underpants. or whatever it is and you answer it in. some fasile fashion and on the fourth. time you answer answer that question. you're.

starting to swap flies that aren't there. you're starting to go mad so what. happens is you have to play games with. yourself so you get someone on the side. to throw different words at you like. valud and Arian or verisa milit and then. that keeps you occupied because you're. thinking when someone asked me about. Beckham in his underpants I've somehow. got stick in a. verisimilitude and I say it's not easy. and your answer's become very creative. well to ask someone to be sincere and. ask the same questions over and over and. over again to them like to people keep.

filing in and a new person comes in and. ask so tell us about this film and how. did this get started and so who whose. idea. wasn't so um I saw a film John bourman. made Excalibur in about 1980 and uh I. was an impressionable young man of 10. and it was the first like nights in. shining armor film that ever spoke to me. I wasn't particularly interested in arol. Flynn uh or any Incarnation that they. did in the 50s uh uh in this genre but.

John borman's one was rather good it was. very aggressive and no one spoke to one. another they all shouted at one another. so it took some time before you realize. that's why it was so intense um it's. quite Camp so it had this sort of weird. ju position of being Camp yet. simultaneously aggressive and you know. they had a budget of $25 and their. visual effects and lots of very shiny. 19th century armor and it made a real.

impression on me because it was it was a. voice it was a creative voice so I it. made an impression on me and then. somewhere in the Attic of my mind I. relegated it until the point where I had. enough creative ideas in my reservoir to. bring it forward and make a film and. then someone gave me money and Warner. Brothers wanted to make it and yada yada. yada and then it was the challenge I. suppose of trying to take us adjourn. into. this world the Fant f y Epic.

Fantasy medieval lord of the ringy kind. of a world and it's completely out of my. wheelhouse so I find the challenge. provocative and exciting as well that's. a it's a fascinating era like or a genre. you know that fascinating world of the. fantasy you know Knights and swords and. bows and arrows and that that realm for. whatever reason has been like. intoxicating to people for a long time. yeah it's an archetype so you're. interested in farm and you're interested.

in. nurses um you're interested in the. superheroes obviously I mean arguably. Arthur was the first superhero because. he's the guy that extracts The Sword and. it's galloper can do all sorts of. wondrous things and this myth is. 1,200 years old, 1400 years old and it's. as relevant today as it was then but. because it's an. archetype that somehow kids either dress. up as farm and policeman soldiers or. nights so we it's almost like we relived.

it it's like an outfit that we wore. 12200 years ago so you feel familiar in. it yeah it's just it's fascinating that. that one genre that one sort of. archetype is just locked into the psyche. of people yeah it's it's it's there. isn't it the other thing about it which. is quite fun is you can take these kind. of mystical rides into metaphor so you. can symbolize things with 300 foot.

elephants which you can't do in some. version of a realistic world so it. becomes you have broad poetic license to. take. Liberties are you using CGI in this. movie A lot of it yeah wow what's that. like. um boring but creative um it's three. years to make this movie I'm used to. making movies that take three months to. write three mon three years three years. w wow three months to write from.

beginning to end something like snatch. was three months 6 weeks to shoot two. months to edit so snatch was three. months to do the whole thing or to write. it the to write it and to shoot it the. whole thing from the beginning to the. way beginning to the end was six months. oh wow and then three months say for. editing So you you're wrapped and packed. in nine months 10 months so this is a a. totally different kind of commitment as. far as your mind and yeah if I really. knew what I was getting into I would.

have asked for double bubble on the. salary because you thought I think it's. could to be a year and a half it's not. it's three. years like when you plan a movie like. this a big Epic movie do you have uh an. actual schedule of when you think it's. going to begin and when it's going to. end or do you do but you know we the. terrain of film making has changed. exponentially like everything like with. technology so what was pertinent last. year is not pertinent this year so. release dates are a real dog so we had a.

release date which was projected a. couple of years from when you start the. movie so they go right here's a check. made a movie you're coming out. in was We were supposed to come out. exactly a year ago but then what happens. is if you're not a branded movie you get. elbowed off that date you know Star Wars. or something will come along and then. you're not going to compete with Star. Wars so you got to move because you. can't compete so you got a very crowded.

Market with lots of Brands now this. isn't something that we used to H suffer. because everyone was equal going into. the equation you give yourself the. advantage of having a movie star or. something but that doesn't exist anymore. what exists now is the brand is the big. brother so he comes musling and Bullies. his way into a weekend and that's why. you can't really get new films breaking. through because those occup those. weekends are already occupied so trying. to break through is a real real real. struggle we had to wait a year for a.

date and the date that we're coming out. on is one weekend after Guardians now. Guardians would be a vast hit and it's. very dangerous being within the. parameters of a of a big movie that's a. really interesting thing that only. movies have to go through these days. right I mean it's one of the rare things. where people are getting out and going. to see something that's been made. together in a group you know that you're. you're watching media like it's not a. live performance it's something that's. been cre created and it's going to press.

play at 8:00 p.m. on Friday night and. everybody's going to go to see it and. you got to get as many of those people. together as you can it's one of the rare. things like that yeah and it's becoming. more polarized so it means more now so. you're opening weekend everything's. about they know what you're going to. make by Thursday evening right right. you're coming you're supposed to be. coming out on Friday and everyone knows. what you're going to make by Sunday. night on a Thursday evening there's. enough clever people out there tapping. into clever little boxes and computer.

says D D D D D and they're seldom wrong. now that never used to be the case used. to come out and films would get. discovered you a little platform you. start small go big that sort of nonsense. now you just got to come out ball. swinging and if you don't come out ball. swinging people get very upset and they. think that this is a failure it hasn't. lived up to expectations even if it's a. creative success nobody likes it it's. well you know there's a bit of that you. know there's there is an acceptance of a. movie is good movie's good and movies. find their own way usually in the end.

anyway but the the financial aspect has. become polarized it's. too. significant uh of a component in the. equation because it should you know it's. an art form right in the end of the day. it's entertainment in an art form and. somehow you want to. unify. reconcile that so because they're. essentially different reconcile those. put it in a nice little package so put. in a a pill with a sweet wrapper around.

it and then you got both and then you. should be happy you should have the. substance and you should have the. flavor um but then now the focus is all. on the flavor and not on the substance. and that's result orientated so your. movie comes out they go what it make. right like slow down son what's the. movie. like the question first of all should be. what's the movie like rather than what. did it make and it it's just it's become. too comp comptitive and too comparative.

financially and I love a dollar Bell and. I like things that successful but it has. to be secondary to what's primary and. primary is what's it like creatively. well a film like not not to [ __ ] on it. but Fast and the Furious all I heard. about was how much money it made that's. all you hear it's like the big story the. big fast the Furious opening box office. hundreds of millions of dollars all you. see is like it's going to make a billion. dollars like why do you give a [ __ ] why. does anybody who's watching that give a. [ __ ] you're not going to get any that. money why is it so appealing that this.

movie has made a billion dollars because. it's comparative and it's competitive. why to people in the audience because. it's Voyer vois yeah so you can it's. like spectator sport who's the winner. right you don't do really care about how. they won you just care about the fact. that they did win or like a Floyd. Mayweather you want to find out how much. money he made he made $200 million that. fight woo people get excited about it. it's an extra element yeah there is a.

sort of um vicarious life that people. can have through Sports Stars. celebrities and success if they feel. somehow related to or they went on the. opening weekend or they are invested in. then if it's successful then somehow. prolifer I'm successful yeah that gets. weird right does get weird yeah it's the. business of movies is a very very. strange business cuz you're you're a. creative business but you're also Al a. business Enterprise I mean you're you're.

a financial business and when it it's a. guy like you like your movies have a. certain flavor you know like you start. off with lockstock and Two Smoking. Barrels like that movie has a flavor to. it and then your other films like people. want to go to see that kind of flavor. from your film do you feel like pressure. in that regard like to live up to those. expectations or to conform to these. ideas that people have of your movies. yes and. no yes and no it depends what mood you. catch me in right um I like what I do.

and I'm going to do it anyway I just. like it very much when people pay me to. do it and give me the money to go and do. it so I don't mind the financial aspect. of it I don't mind films having to. compete I what what I'm after is a. Reconciliation and as I say the the. primary component should be on the. quality of the work that should be. what's primary but I don't Grudge films. being successful I like them to be. successful I like the competitive. element but sometimes when you're. talking with.

Executives you realize mate your. priorities are on the wrong thing here. in the end it is a creative medium and. that is what has to be primary do they. get in the way of a guy like you though. like I would imagine a guy like you they. give you a certain amount of leeway they. give you all the leeway oh that's. beautiful yeah and I my experience with. Studios has will been very positive and. they try to encourage. your hopefully what is your individual. idiosyncrasies they want you to put your. imprint upon the work and they've been.

nothing but encouraging in that sense. but you know people portray their. agendas whilst you know you're in like. conversation or they portray their. priorities so you want to trust a man. because he's a man of substance and to a. degree Independence so he's not looking. to me to find himself through me so. you're not asking me to tell me you who. you are and that's the ongoing Battle of. life right we're all asking other people. to tell us who we are right and.

independence from that is a man that. could be trusted I don't want anything. from you and thereby I can be kind to. you because I don't need to manipulate. you you're no longer a crutch right so. it's got to be very difficult when. you're in business with someone like. that especially like an executive some. slick character and a in a fine suit to. find out exactly what his real motives. really are they're never in Fine Suits. never never how do they dress in. appalling suits really yeah I mean.

business does never encourage Fine Suits. no pockets squares occasionally you find. a token pocket square but you can tell. their heart's not in. it the wife stuck it in there cuz she. saw someone on TV that had a bit of. razzled Dazzle about them and they. thought oh I quite fancy my old man. wearing one of them and they s stick it. in the old man's bit embarrassed about. and tries to squeeze it out of the. way suits are a thing the death of the. suit it was the death of the suit was.

the praic attitude toward I'm going to. work and I'm going wearing suit yeah I'm. going put a tie on and I don't want to. stick out that's how I feel but that's. that's what's happened we've been. brainwashed to not dress like gentleman. but I see a guy like you and I say. that's appealing like look how you're. dressed and you're in a conservative. suit this is a nice suit like I'm sure. you could wear any suit you wanted but. you chose a shirt that has a certain. look to it yeah I have spent some time. aring around with this Joe but a bit.

like the same reason that we spent time. aring around with the old pocket square. it's I remember thinking how much I. found the suit repugnant and I became. angry that the suit had been robbed from. us and so I had to create an alibi a way. in to understand why it is that I'd like. a soup this was the magic of Ralph luren. the magic of Ralph luren nice Jewish boy. from New York called lipshits created a.

wasby. Empire there's a wonderful expression. that you know think Yiddish dress. British and Ral flen created this great. Empire and resold the wasby world back. to the wasby world oh you actually not. to the wasby world because in England. there was a sort of resentment about. savil row traditional tailoring because. it've been robbed from them the offices. had come along the number crunchers had. come along and there was no creativity.

in the suit a suit needs to be creative. the person that puts it on can't be. putting it on because he's told to put. it on he's got to want to put it on ah. so what Ralph did is he fashioned up. this sort of Quasi New England World and. sold he he took on a Trope he took on a. cliche and he refashioned that cliche to. give it a new sense of Life a new sense. of breadth he put black people in the. suits where traditionally it was just a. white man's suit he made it feel new he.

gave it a take so what he did is he. tipped his hat the old world but also. tipped his hat the new world and it. allowed wasps to find their way back. into the world with an eloquent. narrative it was clever yeah um I'm. getting fascinated by the way your brain. works because for you it's important. that the person want to wear the suit. and I have a feeling that that's sort. that's symbolic of how you feel about. life itself like the person has to want. to be doing what they're doing they have. to want to wear that suit it has to be.

an authentic gesture um did you ever. read a book called Extreme ownership. written by a couple of Navy SEALs uh. that's jao willink right no no that's uh. I think it is is it is it jao's book. yeah yeah it yeah I've had jao on the. show a bunch of times important book. well I've had him on once before what am. I talking about a bunch of times right. I've met him once but important book yes. right now there's lots of books that. have picked up on this theme but they. were very eloquent about it if you don't. own something you're not the.

boss you have to take full. responsibility for everything that you. do why be. subservient you must be the master of. your own. kingdom I feel you makes a lot of sense. you've got to own that you can't just. walk into things with your eyes half. open you got walk into things with your. eyes fully open you got to know what. you're getting into you have to take. possession of your life is this a. thought process the to constantly. reaffirm or is cemented exactly that.

it's exactly that you drift on this. point right and it is whatever form of. meditation or Mantra that you decide to. espouse there needs to be some period in. your day where you. remember that there's a world out there. trying to tell you who you are and. there's a world in here that's trying to. tell you who you are now where do you. want to put your ex because the world. outside is is very noisy and very.

tempting and it has all the rasat as has. all the tinsel and all the. glitter it's got all the. toys but that's because you don't think. you're enough in the first place ah if. you don't think you're enough in the. first place the whole idea of the world. to sell you stuff is first of all they. have to make you feel bad about yourself. less than in some way and I don't resent. this system by the way it is the. system but what's the expression about. don't hate don't hate the player hate.

the game don't hate the game love the. game because you're in it mate so own. the game accept the rules and move on. into the rules so the world will try and. tell you who you are and you have to. tell yourself who you are and there's. this ongoing battle and somehow there. needs to be a Reconciliation between the. two but in the end you've got to have. all the eggs in your basket there's also. an ongoing internal battle though isn't. there there's the you that you want. people to think you are and there's a.

you who you are and trying to figure out. like how do I how do I figure out who I. am like am am do do I have a correct. Assumption of how other people are. perceiving me and how I actually am. objectively or am I bullshitting the. world with this suit and pocket. square yeah I would say it's exactly the. scenario that we're talking about there. there's essentially only two two worlds. there's the inner world of energy and. there's the outer World of Energy. there's there's two identities one's.

real one's false the external world is. I'm asking you to tell me who I am. that's what we're all playing at and as. soon as you start play that game we run. into all sorts of trouble call it the. ego call it whatever you want to call it. but that's the dynamic that we're in and. somehow we have. to give ourselves enough confidence to. reassure ourselves that we are enough. however I enter the game because I got. to move on in the world I got crack on. in the world and I know there's loads of. temptations that going to come along the.

way so I will own the suit I'm going to. wear the suit but I'm going to own the. suit now I don't mean by paying for it I. mean by owning it it's now my suit it's. my idea to put on this suit I have to. personalize it in some way I have to. understand a narrative that allows me to. own that suit and thereby I put my suit. of armor and I come out into the world. and guess what I'm in a good time. because I'm owning the suit now this is. a very Rock Solid philosoph ophy is this. something you've ever written.

down it's what the essence of narrative. I'm a Storyteller the essence of. narrative is only about this Dynamic. there is nothing else in a story other. than this. Dynamic so the struggle between other. people's perceptions and your own wants. and desires and who you truly are your. your significant real self that's it. that's all there is you tell me a story. that didn't that we engaged in that's.

famous that's not about this journey. I'll give you an example The Prodigal. Son Parable. Christian seems religious doesn't really. make much sense do you know the story. sure but why don't you lay it out so. there's a father he has two sons an. older son a younger son and he says to. them who wants to spend their. inheritance the younger s says me Dad. I'll go spend it and the younger son. takes all the D and he runs off and. sniffs Coke off stripper tits for a.

number of years until he. realizes this is getting pretty boring. and I'm in a lot of trouble he ends up. feeding throwing food to pigs that's his. job and he can't even eat the food that. he gives to the pics at which point he. says Dad will you take me. back dad then goes to they don't meet. this somehow happens not through. telephones it just happens happens at. which point dad goes to the fatty cve.

says kill the fatty cve older son says. hold on Dad what's going on I've stayed. with you since the beginning I've been. loyal to you and I hear the stories of. my younger brother coming back who's. been sniffing Coke off strippers tits. for the last God knows how many years. and you're prepared to kill the fatty. Cal what's the SP dad I want to know the. story he says you're all right son don't. worry about that you take a little side. a little step to the side you'll always. be with me you're a good boy at which. point he goes out to meet the prodical.

son the wasteful son the wasteful son. returns and he says you were lost and. now you. found that's the end of the. story it's quite hard to make sense of. that in a literal sense you get oh dad. was a bit unfair you should have been. kind to the oldest son because he never. ran off and did. anything but the essence of the story is. that you are the. father you are enough.

your older son is your intellect he says. oh don't do this don't do that he's. trying to reconcile make sense of a. praic and material world the young son. being the. wild feral entity that he is wants to go. out in the world and find out what it's. all. about so in his. recklessness and sense of adventure he. finds that he can't escape. himself so we have has to return to. himself and at which point he has to.

accept who he is which point the. intellect is left out the equation. pretty much as the older brother because. he can't understand the significance of. the Journey of the wasteful brother in. the end you have to leave yourself to. understand the value of yourself you. have to lose stuff before you realize. that all the stuff that you're losing is. ephemeral and transitory it's not yours. you're enough you're always enough but.

you've got to somehow prostitute. yourself before you realize your own. value that is the essence of all stories. that's deep guy Richie is that something. you you think about all the time or is. this I mean is this like a cemented. philosophy let so King Arthur the story. you just. made a man is a king has a son the son. um the father is runs into a bit of. aggro the son jumps into uh a little. little uh boat a little Skillet and he's.

not skillet that's what you cook your. chops on isn't it yeah um skiff a little. skiff the skiff takes off down the river. he gets found by prostitutes he's bought. up in a brothel he understands the waves. of the street he becomes a king on the. street he works his way out the. different ladders and then he pulls a. sword from a stone at a certain point in. his life certain point of evolution and. then from there he goes on to be the. king there's a bit of a tossle all along. the way lots of wrestling matches in the. end he fight fights down his demons and. he becomes the king so what's the.

significance of this narrative that. every man in himself is. aristocratic that he is his own King he. takes to sojourn into the material world. has to climb up all the different runs. on the ladder and ultimately has to. return to himself the significance of. the extraction from the sword from the. stone is the stone is the material world. the material world which seems all solid. because it controls you whilst you're. projecting your sense of identity upon. it the extraction of stone is taking. back your own authority your.

own Divinity your own authority your own. identity whatever it is that you got to. call it your own power you're no longer. looking for a sense of self outside of. yourself and then you have to face the. demons that you've created and your. history by facing them and fighting them. and owning them you put them in the face. of who you are and that's a wrestling. match you have to take away all these. crutches and that's all that we struggle. from in life is taking away our crutches. oh please tell me who I am oh please.

give me a bit more money so other people. think I'm clever oh and then I have a. nice car and people think I'm clever you. got to take away all these crutches and. stand as the man that you are and you're. liberated from your whole thing that is. the story of King Arthur but it's not. just the story of King Arthur it's the. story of all narrative do you think that. most people that are watching the film. are going to get that though they're. just going to get an entertaining story. they're just going to see a bunch of. cool stuff some drama play out but this. is fascinating that you're operating so. many levels underneath it yeah but I'm. Storyteller it's my business so if I'm. in the business of story I might as well.

understand story and do you need to. understand all that I'm not sure if you. do depends where you are on the ladder. so you can just go along have a nice bit. of entertainment good guy bad guy. everything's literal there's nothing. wrong with literalism it is what it is. it's the game you can glean what you can. glean when you're ready to glean what. you're ready to glean are you a Joseph. Campbell fan I am a Joseph cell fan yeah. yeah that I mean that's a reoccurring. theme in his work that hero's journey. yes the hero's journey this underlying.

sort of narrative that just really. guides all all stories and all ancient. tales and that there's something. inherently human about them important. about these stories and they resonate. with our our wants and needs and goals. and and even also maybe the structure. that we really truly need in our own. life yeah I mean all stories from. whatever period I'm sympathetic to this. particular um to Joseph Campbell's. philosophy on this but he's not the only. one right right the weird thing about.

religion is religion has done to the. spiritual significance of narrative what. the businessman did to the. suit he's literalized it he didn't. realize that putting on a suit is. putting on a suit of armor is putting on. something that's rather. spectacular you're just doing it for. convention you're doing it for others. you're not doing it for you and in our. literal mind we look at at a narrative. and we see the narrative for what we.

believe it to be the exterior aspect of. the narrative so we completely we see. the world upside down we don't we're not. actually interested in the essence of. the narrative because we're so busy. pandering after the approval of others. so everything that we see every. narrative that we listen to every film. that you see you're not really. interested in. its Soul you're interested in it its. body because that's what we correspond.

to it's fascinating that you're. comparing it to Suits because it. resonates like when you think of a guy. showing up for work or getting ready for. work and he doesn't want to go and he's. putting on the suit and it's just. dredging through it and putting it on. and or you think about a guy who's. crisply tucking in his collars and. putting on his cuff links and tightening. up his tie and he feels empowered by the. whole process of it it's very it's very. appealing like if you see it in a film. too it's very exciting this is a man of.

purpose they did it in Mean Streets I. don't know you remember Harvey Kel. getting dressed to go up on a front. getting dressed to go out on a Friday. night and it affected a whole generation. of people about the way they dress cuz. he owned it yeah yeah I never really. thought about that until this. conversation it's not because I I just I. don't really I wear suits occasionally. like very very occasionally but you've. being robbed I've been robbed you've. been robbed there are so many aspects of. Life food for a long time got robbed Rob. for us and we've slowly managed to claw.

that back it's true um but clothes. really you're a 45y old Gea and you're. still dressing like an. 18-year-old what the C is all that about. well some people like to be comfortable. though I get that by the way and they. like that look comfortable your suit's. comfortable it's comfortable yeah you. can get poured into this completely. Deconstructed on the inside made by a. chat called Brunello knows what he's. doing so these are all handmade um it's. it won't be hand made tailored uh no you.

I bought this off the shelf and I had it. yeah a couple of things tweaked but it's. as comfortable as a pair of pajamas. really yeah so again you have to Braker. a deal you can't put on things that are. uncomfortable because guess what happens. in the morning you're looking through. your soups you go oh I like that one but. I'm going to wear I'm wear the. comfortable one oh so they all have to. be comfortable well otherwise you're not. going to play the game are you I have a. thing about ties though go on I can kill. someone with a tie on for sure you can. kill someone with 100% if I get a hold. of that tie you're dead Joe this.

conversation needs to go on for longer. than it's going to go. on that's the thing about ties you're. wearing a rope around your neck if. someone just gets a deep grab Joe what. are you thinking about twist I'm not. going to have a fight with anyone I'm. wearing a I'm sure you're not but it's I. mean you would have to in a deep. disagreement you'd have to wrestle that. sucker loose and take it off to be. safe I'm not going to indulge this you. shouldn't you shouldn't it's my own. personal problem I just feel like.

someone with a tie on all you have to do. is grab that thing and that's a wrap. like if you went into a Jiu-Jitsu match. and you had a Roper on your neck you're. a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner right I am yeah. so don't you've I'm sure you've been. College hoked then yeah you'all been. fine for 20 years Joe more than 20 years. this thing around your neck. like really by the way my game is I'm. all about the ghee I mean play yeah I. played a lot on them ghee but. I've come back to the ghee and the. reason I've come back to the ghee is I.

can I'm quite tasty with the ghee so. quite tasty quite tasty with the G I can. there's a couple of moves I'd like to. show you it's a bit tricky on on your uh. with your T-shirt but I'm all about. strangling man with his ghee um which. somehow elegantly Segways from the tie I. mean I'm all about creating What I Call. The Hangman's rope out of the bottom of. your ghee and turning that into a thing. so you're one of those guys that pulls. the bottom of the G and wraps upy I'm.

I'm that guy I'm out there and I I. played this game for a long time which. is the wrapping around the wrist M or. you know the fing so you get that little. dinosaur flippy there so your arms out. of action but then I discovered. something Joe if you slip that gear in. through there so what he's doing for. people just listening he's tucking it. like towards his on the inside the. inside Croc of his elbow and once it. comes in on the inside you can't get. that hand out out again that's it. basically the fight's over from there.

the fight's over from there cuz you from. then on you own that arm H it's. interesting we should have a little roll. around at the end of this Jo how long. you been training down 20 years what. belt 20 years black belt from henzo oh. that's legit man that's seriously legit. do you think most people know that. you've managed to keep that on the DL a. little bit not so much not so much no. well I think if you ask the average. person the treat this guy Richie a black. belt and Jiu-Jitsu they' go no is he but.

does the average man in the street know. what black belt and Jiu-Jitsu is anyway. I think they do now more than ever well. it's yeah probably more now well that's. why when I see a guy's experienced as. you wearing a tie I go hm maybe you're. just super confident about no one being. able to get to that TI Joe I'm not. what's going on well I'm a ridiculous. person that's what's going on I mean you. have your own ridiculous ideas about. owning suits I have my idea ideas about. getting choked to death wearing a tie. like I said I'm not going it you're. fishing I'm not fishing I'm I'm honestly.

I do I really do have an issue with ties. okay but it looks wonderful on you thank. you very much I mean for real it's a. very elegant appearance the whole thing. from the top to the bottom when did you. start training under who where like. where were you um first of all I did. Karate for 15 years I did shakan Karate. which I was obsessed with got second. down and that and then ACL went twice on. the right leg and I watched choke can. you remember choke sure and I watched. choke and that was a it was a revelation.

because old. man what was his man Julio Elio iio iio. old man Elio was on the mat 84 in that. video and I thought well I'm not getting. any. younger and if I'm going to take up a. martial art I love fighting so I'm very. happy to talk about fighting for a long. time J um I I fancied the idea that i'. be cuz I if I stayed with karate I. realized I would not be on the mat at 84. so and back then there was no Jiu-Jitsu.

in London there was Judo and they had. what was called noasa which is the. ground game and they're pretty tasty we. got some good Judo. players um so I went from Kate to Judo. but I was only interested in the ground. game and then Roger Gracie came to live. in the UK about 20 years ago and Roger. Gracie went on to become the world. champion eight. times and I started taking lessons with. him and his dad Mauricio. then I ended up in New York.

for I think we lived I lived in New York. for a while with my ex-wife and I went. to henzo gym when it was by methadone. clinic and I fell in love with henzo and. I fell in love with jiu-jitsu in a sort. of serious way and I became obsessed. with it for a number of years uh hzo. gave me all my. belts um I mean I should have got black. belt 10 well I say I should have got. black belt I was I was I became lazy to. a degree so I got a black belt when I.

should have got a black belt and as you. and I know there's some tasty blue belts. out there can have a lot of fun with me. um but I sort of drifted a bit came in. and out sustained a few injuries but if. I was training hard I think you train. hard you get black bound five years. can't you you got to be obsessed yeah. but years there are kids that are there. are kids that are you can I mean I was a. brown belt for eight years so you're. talking to the wrong person no no that. I'm the same as you I was brown belt for. eight years I think it's uh if you're a. real fanatic you can get it in five.

years but it's super rare like BJ pen. got it in three that's almost unheard of. there's a few people that have done that. yeah there's some guys in our gym in. London in Rogers Place that they're. there 5 days a week 3 hours a day they. mean it and within 6 months they're a. proper pain in the ass yeah yeah well. once you become obsessed with the. movements and you start studying the. various positions and the possibilities. it becomes a part of your life becomes a. part part of your almost like your your. operating system and as you see these.

guys reinforce that operating system you. see their their game becoming more and. more complex and to be able to chain. attack after attack and being able to. anticipate the defenses of those attacks. and plan two and three steps ahead and. you see all this play out it's an i i. really really enjoy watching someone go. from being a beginning student to being. a killer it's a fascinating process. because you're literally watching. someone develop their comprehension of a. language of fighting. and that language of fighting is. analogous to life it it it helps them in.

every single aspect of their life. because it's one of the most difficult. things that a person will do in their. day me you walk into a Jiu-Jitsu school. you you park your car you live in this. normal realm of normal people with you. know normal problems and bills and. stresses and issues but once you go into. that thing you put on that ghee or no. ghee or whatever you're doing and you go. into that class once you engage in these. sparring sessions these sparring. sessions with skilled practice. practitioners you're doing one of the. most difficult things any person within.

a 100 mile radius of you that's not. fighting for their life is doing and by. doing that on a regular basis and. constantly reinforcing this language it. enhances the all your possibilities and. your potential possibilities as a. person very eloquent I mean I can't. could couldn't agree with you more one. of the great things I found about. Jiu-Jitsu is whenever I came to a city. we just tap into a computer where the. next. gym was and we' roll down there I. usually I'm usually with two or three.

people and Ivan out there he's also a. black belt um I got a chat that uh I was. with called Bobby the tits who is an. Olympic judo player [ __ ] you should. see the chest on this Geer he is a beast. that's why he's Bobby the tits Bobby the. tits um so across between Ivan the. Terrible and Bobby the tits we used to. hit these gyms and uh everyone there's a. complete substructure there if you want. to be looked after they'll give you a G. fellow mate as it going and there's the. Brotherhood I suppose it's probably the.

same for people to go to church I don't. know but there is a Brotherhood that I. found amongst Fighters where everyone's. like game and friendly come around at. the barbecue do what and everyone's. there's there's a whole substructure. there everyone will look after everyone. else and I've never in the 20 years of. fighting in different gyms have I lost. my temper or have I had a reason to lose. my temper right has anyone ever been a. bully you've had people a bit clumsy got. a bit carried away but there's such a. system of accountancy right that you. can't get away with being a bully.

because there's always a bigger bully. and you know you're going to get found. out and I like that aspect of it. everyone gets found out yeah especially. over time right I mean if you're. training consistently with really. difficult training Partners your. character is going to be tested there's. just no way around there's no way around. it and sometimes I end up training quite. a lot in at home right I got five six. mates to come around there it's not the. same as going to a new gym with new. players right um and you've got to get. out there I know a few Rich guys that. have got trainers and they're not bad.

players you know the trainers are good. and the fighters are good but because. they don't get outside of their comfort. zone and go to a feral gym yeah a gym on. the street. they're it's very hard for them to. really evolve right you got to keep. putting yourself in an uncomfortable. spot in uncomfortable gyms and like as. you said when you do that though you do. see the kind of the same thing over and. over again the same type of human you. know you just see them in London or you.

see them in New York or in Los Angeles. you see that same type of human it's. it's it's the great thing about a sport. in general but let's be specific because. it's something you and I can relate to. is there are no barriers in ju-jitsu no. one's looking at you if you're rich. you're poor you're black you're white. it's completely irrelevant you come to. the mat and if you get on with the Gaze. you fight you get on with the geese that. you're fighting yeah and there's a. complete Clarity of vision when you're. fighting someone it's just you're. fighting them and you rate them on their. ability of how they fight yeah and you.

carry that social hierarchy like what. that what what's important in that. school is that it is like who is. proficient who's very good that is that. is that's the that's the currency yeah. the ultimate currency yeah right yeah. it's I had a name when I used to train. out here or in New York they used to. call me Hollywood CU I was like the only. celebrity kind of person that used to. come in and say oh right Hollywood you. fancy little roll around this that but. that you know and a couple of people. initially went oh you're that keer and. that lasted all the 30 seconds right.

yeah and then everything gets wiped it's. you have no currency on the mat other. than your currency on the mat and. there's a wonderful Clarity in that yeah. for a guy like you or any any big time. celebrity that's probably one of the. only few places where you really truly. experience that like there is no. [ __ ] in that role like when. someone's going after you and you're. going after them it's 100% it is what it. is there's there's all the the the. [ __ ] veil of society has been. removed yeah I mean I'll I'll muddy the.

water a bit now so hking back to uh what. we were talking about previously I'm. aware that you become less. adventurous as your ego grows in. jiujitsu right particularly if the guy. that doesn't tap if you're the guy that. doesn't tap you don't ever want to be. the guy that doesn't tap and you Hunker. up and you become a boring fighter and. it's an issue you know those guys. there's a couple of guys that I can. think of one in particular that if you.

get the better of him and by and large. he's a better fighter than me but all of. a sudden he realize he's in trouble just. before I'm about to tap him he goes ah. stop there one sec guy if you just moved. a little bit to the r oh he gives you. instruction those guys are the worst. that's their Alibi to get out them. losing face so what face is it they're. losing it's the crutch that they. actually think that being a jiujitsu. player has an identity in itself and it. doesn't M you cannot use it as a crutch. and it's the essence of all martial arts.

martial arts was about find yourself. within that framework and be honest. about it and you meet the opponent and. as your man Connor will tell you you're. finding it's about you fighting you in. the. ring what your other part of the Mind. the other part of the mind that we were. talking about wants to say is about your. reputation in the gym and what people. think of you so again you're trying to. find an identity from outside of. yourself by not tapping and you know.

that feeling and by the way I suffer it. myself because I don't like to tap. either but it it makes my game it. inhibits my game and stops me being. creative yeah Marcelo Garcia has always. been very adamant about that that you. have to open up your game in the gym and. it's the only way to really truly. progress and don't worry about being. tapped and don't have that ego and. there's a great video of him and Damen. Maya rolling and they're rolling they. have like they're putting almost no like. kinetic strength no explosive energy. nothing no nothing athletic they're just. going through the movements and.

exchanging positions and they're tapping. each other left and right and left and. right with no ego it's really. interesting to watch because you see. like Marcelo catch Damien and they roll. to a position and Damen Taps and then. they go through another position and. Marcelo does it and it's just it's. really fascinating because what they're. doing they're they're truly flowing. there's no like real oh here we go right. there you can see them do it but like. when these guys are do it like as. they're doing it they're obviously using. strength and they're countering with. skill but everything is very smooth and.

controlled and you're looking at two of. the very best black belts to ever do it. you're looking at Damen Maya Who right. now is arguably the top contender in the. UFC's welterweight division he's going. to be fighting jge M Vidal next weekend. actually which is a really intense fight. uh because M Vidal is a killer and then. Marcelo Garcia who's probably one of the. all-time great strangulation experts has. ever walked the face of the planet I. mean he's really revolutionized a lot of. aspects of the guillotine the rear naked.

choke and I was in Brazil in Sal Paulo. in 2003 when he burst onto the scene. when uh he choked out. Shaolin and uh to see these two guys. rolling together is really really. interesting because this is really kind. of how you have to do it you just do it. you know there's there's no one is. saying I can't tap I can't you know I. can't put myself in a bad position. they're they're exchanging positions. like right there when Damen gets. underhooks and he goes for the Deep half. Marcel's just rolling with it they're.

just flowing yeah but you need two to. tango you can't have one with an ego and. and who's not going to play the game and. bunkers down and screws himself down it. makes the whole thing very hard to do. it's got to be you both got to be. complicit yep yeah absolutely yeah it's. very it's very interesting watching like. two really really high level guys like. this roll or like you know hoder Gracie. and bro estima or something like that. England's got a great great scene. there's so much top level Jiu-Jitsu over.

in England right now yeah it's got some. good players yeah used to be a time just. a couple of decades ago where if you. wanted to train it was very difficult to. find really proficient instruction and. and great 20 years ago it wasn't. possible I remember because I was I was. first into it when we made snatch which. is 18 years ago and that's when hoder. first came to town and before then it. was just Judo just NOA yeah well I mean. you can certainly get something out of. that but um it seems like the the level.

of uh attack I mean there's some people. that have just a one Rock Solid attack. like Ronda Rousey had that rock solid. attack with an arm bar and she comes. from that chudo background that's a Noy. armar oh it's nasty her armar to this. day I believe is one of the best arm. bars I have ever seen in MMA not just. because uh she's was successful with it. but when you watch her transitions you. watch how she's able to adjust and. change like the Kat zingano fight is a. perfect example of that Kat zingano just. charges at her like a [ __ ] bat out of. hell and they have this mad scramble and.

Ronda realizes a position that she she. doesn't even utilize but she's she. understands armar so well she knows well. I could just throw my hip over this way. and kick back here and I'll catch that. arm bar this is just overall. understanding of the position is so high. level yeah when someone has a move like. that I used to fight a bit with uh. Hixon and Hixon used that thing where he. ties his hands behind his back and. you've got to try and do something to. him right and you can't do anything to.

him the the level of. sophistication when it's like that he's. so he was so technical Hixon that it was. what what I understand about jiujitsu is. really rather. primitive um but I'm aware I'm primitive. I'm aware that my understanding of. Jiu-Jitsu is really quite primitive and. then when you see something like that. armar yeah come sneaking out of nowhere. oh it's it's a magnificent thing to.

behold isn't it yeah yeah the when what. you're saying is kind of interesting cuz. someone listen to this and go how is a. black belt primitive like you're not. primitive you're an expert but I. understand totally CU I'm also primitive. I know I know what I know like I. understand like there's what what. hixon's language is is a series of words. that you've never heard before spoken. perfectly in the right order with no. pause or ums or no filler and the way he. flows with it it's just he's got a level.

of proficiency that very few other than. Marcelo and Damen Maya can really. appreciate the the true beauty of it all. because they just don't like I I won't I. won't see things coming it would be. they're too complex it's completely. different language yeah but you know. enough um I read a good line somewhere. the other day that someone had enough. brains to know that they didn't have any. brains um. so you know enough to know that you're. in treacherous and deep Waters here yeah.

otherwise your average Geer that starts. starts rolling around with one of these. good guys you know he's all right but oh. there is Joe or Guy They'll be the same. they got the same color belt on it let's. have a go with that. yeah yeah you just get manhandled now um. you said you had your knee fixed you you. blew would you blow out an ACL ACL I've. done it twice yeah did you get um kadav. replacement or no hamstring and then. patella hamstring first time patella.

second time hamstring blew out right. yeah those things blow out a lot uh yeah. eventually it gave in I had the first. one one was about 21 okay and the second. one was about 31 and that it's held. together but the old knee is a bit. knacked do you know about stem cell yeah. how are you feeling about stem C great I. I was that close to shoulder surgery and. I had some placental stem cells shot. into my shoulder and it's amazing and. where did you have that done Vegas. really yeah there's a guy named Dr Rody. McGee who's at the the tip of the spear. when it comes to the technology that's. involved today Con a bunch of tears just.

stuff just years and years of abuse yeah. my cartilage is gone on that shoulder. now my cartilage is gone on the knee and. I didn't really know anything about stem. cell about two weeks ago and now that's. all I'm hearing about oh well I have a. podcast I'll I'll send you and it was. with me and Dr Rod McGee that we did. about a month ago fabulous he's amazing. and again he's he's well up todate with. the latest technology and he's also very. conser ative in his approach to it but. what he's saying is that they are able.

to regenerate cartilage and meniscus. tissue and this is the first time. anything has ever come along that. actually regenerates these tissue. they've been able to trim it and do. things to it to mitigate pain but now. they can literally regenerate tissue. they're even injecting it into people's. discs now the discs in their spine and. they're showing that they can regrow. disc tissue yeah but you you've just. nailed my three issues dis issue and. cartilage yeah that's all my issue is of. course meniscus and cartilage and disc.

what do you got going on with your back. everybody's got something yeah it's the. it's it's the traditional issue with. those three C whatever that calls at the. bottom of the B I'm going to show you. something else that you're going to need. and you're going to get after we have. this conversation I have a machine out. back called the reverse hyper and it was. created by this mad genius named Louis. Simmons and with the reverse hyper is a. machine that decompresses your back and. also strengthens it at the same time it. decompress it on the down swing and then. on the upswing it it strengthens all.

those muscles around it but it literally. pulls the back apart the compressed. discs which is bad posture load uh. degeneration you can look up at the. screen this is this guy's [ __ ] crazy. he's one of the craziest people I've. ever interviewed he was hilarious but. he's a oldtime powerlifter who's been. doing it forever I mean he's got fake. shoulders fake knees everything's blown. out he has no biceps his biceps are. completely severed off of his arm he uh. what was he saying like he he was he had.

to his friends were making a max out. bench like 5 days after his shoulder. replacement he's a [ __ ] Maniac but. they were trying to fuse his discs and. so he came up with this machine and you. see as it swings down when she's. swinging down it's pulling her back. apart like go to the the here you go. when it's going down it's pulling the. back an active decompression and as. she's swinging up she's strengthening. all those muscles in the spine in a real. weird way where you really can't get at. them and with this is the issue because.

you can do the Su my superficially I'm. strong there but the core underneath the. superficial muscles and when I had the. MRI you could see all the fat in the. surrounding mus uh muscle around the. discs and you could see the fat in it. and then as soon as you hit the. superficial you went oh that's fine. there's nothing wrong with The. Superficial so it's a I need a way like. this yeah um just buy one of those man. where you have to Beast through. your superficial muscles to get to your. core muscles well it's just it it forces.

that area of the body to work like. you're sustaining a load and you can you. lift it up and you hold it in that. position and then as you let it go it's. it's decompressing and in the decompress. cycle you you you're feeling your. muscles relax and you can actually feel. it pulling like you feel in the lower. back in a weird way you feel it kind of. pulling and separating and then a couple. of seconds later you're strengthening it. again and then you p and separated and. you're strengthening again and then I. have another thing out back that I um I.

bend over from the waist on and it. allows my lower back to just completely. relax and my upper body pulls down on my. lower body and it separates and. decompresses the lower spine I mean it's. been tremendous a huge huge asset but. there's a bunch of things they can do. now have you heard of regenicin do you. know what that is no regenicin is. something that was developed in Germany. that a lot of professional athletes like. Kobe Bryant pton Manning they went over. there and it's a blood spinning. procedure similar to platelet rich. plasma but they take the blood and as.

they're they're spinning it they heat it. up and when they heat it up the blood. has a reaction to the extreme heat like. it like it thinks you have a fever so it. produces his very intense. anti-inflammatory response obviously if. you're a scientist or a doctor I'm. butchering this but and they take this. yellow serum which is this an. anti-inflammatory response and they can. inject it into all these areas that you. have massive inflammation like bulging. discs and it has a incredible effect it. had incredible effect for pton Manning.

allowed him to get back to football. again I had a bulging disc that was. making my hands go numb totally went. away through decompression and through. this kind of stuff yeah I heard this. added 10 years to Kobe's career am I I'm. thinking yeah that's what he thought. thinks yeah you know I didn't up until. I'm 48 how old are you Jay 49 almost 50. so I didn't think about any of these. things until this year so I accepted. that an ACL that's a bit of a n. except I got a bit of a creaky back but. in the last.

month I went to my something happened to. my. knee and I went to uh the doctor a. little uh X-ray and he went well I could. operate for the 10th time I've had an. operation on that knee but you're better. off now waiting waiting for what till I. give you a new one and I thought [ __ ]. hell so he's talking about a replacement. so he's talking about replacement now. he's saying to just hold on right so. he's saying in 15 years from now or.

whatever it is but it all changed and. then a month after I went and had the. shoulder um X-ray and he looked at it. went well I could operate that and I. knew where we were going here you better. off wait until I give you a new one I'm. now that gezer where they're not talking. about fixing they're talking about. giving me new ones right now I hadn't so. you know Ivan out there knows exactly. what you're talking about to me the. wasn't a vessel to receive this. information now in the last month I am.

ready to receive this information so in. the next three months I will know of. what you talk about I immediately am. going to connect you with Dr Rod McGee. as soon as we get off the phone or off. the podcast here I'm going to connect. you with him and he'll he'll be able to. keep you a breast of all the stuff and. it changes constantly like when I first. went I first got a shot in July of last. year and I was that close to surgery I. was trying to figure out okay I was. planning my time I was saying okay if I.

get the surgery I essentially can't use. this arm for at least a few weeks and. it's going to be pretty weak for at. least three months and I was really. accepting that and he said well let's. just give this a shot and within a. couple of weeks of getting this shot I. was like God damn this thing feels. better than it's ever felt before and so. through a series of exercises like a lot. of rotator cuff strengthening exercises. and um uh bottoms up kettle bells like. where you you have to stabilize the. kettle bell those are fantastic for.

stabilization muscles and then it also. made me realize that if you're going to. do something along the lines of. Jiu-Jitsu something that's very. physically demanding you have to. strengthen your machine like you you. can't just keep going to Jiu-Jitsu which. is what I was doing for years yeah me. too that was my exercise I don't think. that's adequate I think you have to. strengthen the machine and I think yoga. is also really big part important part. of strengthening that machine because. it's lengthening it's decompressing the. spine and it's making you strong in. these static positions which is very.

similar to the load that's going to be. pushed on those joints and on your back. when you're doing Jiu-Jitsu I tried Y. Yoga for a year I tried every day. because usually I can get into anything. at some point or another just got to. keep throwing enough hours at it the one. thing I couldn't get into couldn't do it. maybe my Approach was wrong I was doing. a stung with my ex-wife and it was. incredibly painful incredibly. challenging but what I like about a. fight is the competitive element of it. yes I can there's my enemy I can have a.

roll around with my enemy there's a tap. there's a winner there's a loser and for. some reason that keeps me motivated the. idea I mean in in essence I imagine it's. the what I was talking about in the end. it's it's self against self yes with. yoga I just haven't made it that far to. access um that struggle and enjoy it I. feel like I'm always running on fumes. with yoga yeah well you're going to run. on fumes but it's it's building a house. one layer of paint at a time I mean it's.

it's not a it's not an easy thing to do. and I think that competitive element. that you're talking about is an internal. struggle and that internal struggle is. you and your breath keeping your breath. in calm and check and focusing entirely. on your breath while managing the. positions and then slowly but surely. developing more Proficiency in those. positions more range of motion more. dexterity keep going over and over again. and then you one day you get to a point. for me it was like maybe an a year and a. half into doing it pretty regularly.

where I'm like okay now I can finally. hold this position for 30 seconds oras. before i' I'd literally count to 10 and. just try to get to 10 and then I'd fall. down and then I'd get back up and try. again try to get to 10 try to get to 10. my feet would buckle my knee wouldn't be. locked out and then I'd try again but. once you develop a certain amount of. proficiency then you can concentrate. entirely on the breath and that's where. the real struggle is and then keeping. the mind on track not thinking about.

other [ __ ] not thinking about the. just the struggle of life and all the. different variables that you have to. deal with on a daily basis thinking only. of the breath the posture and the breath. very difficult to keep on track so that. and therein that's the competitive. struggle it's in your own mind you see a. consistency with the theme though the. theme is this that that's all there is. it's the outside world of the noise and. what comes with that and there's the. internal self but everything is. everything is subject to these rules.

yeah and yoga in this sense is no. difference Jiu-Jitsu is no different. narrative is no different it's being. aware of what the D Dynamic is it's. being aware of what's actually going on. that I think is fundamental yes yes and. patent recognition recognizing that it's. the same for yoga is for the essence of. a narrative absolutely yeah and those. things become a vehicle for developing. your human potential whether it's yoga. or whether it's Jiu-Jitsu and I think. pattern recognition it's they they take.

place in both things in yoga you go okay. I've been here before I know where this. is I know I know what to do and you go. right back into that thing of. concentrating on controlling the breath. these big long deep breaths and these. big long exhales and then the the focus. is entirely on the breath and those. patterns they come up in Jiu-Jitsu as. well I mean that that ability to. maintain breath I mean I'm sure youve. recognized that in a person who just. starts like one of the things you see. about someone who's just starting even. if they're athletic they don't know what. they're doing they start. hyperventilating they don't know what to.

do they start breathing weird and the. the breath is like the first thing that. you lose control over and Hixon from the. movie choke I mean that was the big. thing that separated Hixon from all the. other Jiu-Jitsu players is his yoga yeah. his yoga he made yoga sexy yeah yeah he. did well he was the first guy to make it. appealing at all to martial artist I. mean that was what your wife did that's. what your mom does it's what the. housewives do it's not something that a. man does especially not the top. Jiu-Jitsu killer ever it was a seminal.

it was a seminal documentary that was it. it changed a lot of people's lives and. it sort of turned Hixon into a rock star. oh yeah yeah I've had himman here he's. he's an amazing guy to talk to I've had. him I've talked to him several times but. having him in here and sitting down with. him and talking to him about Jiu-Jitsu. it's like it's like the it's like. sitting down with Michelangelo and. talking about art I mean you're talking. about. there's there's Masters and then there's. the master of the Masters and if you.

talk to any Jiu-Jitsu Master they all. just go hickon is the number one like. there's no dispute which is amazing. there's there's very few like there's. soccer players that are just Elite and. there's basketball players that are. Elite but when it comes to like who's. the best in jiujitsu there was always. this one guy and while he was. competitive and especially while he was. young it was always Hixon which is to me. amazing that was able to maintain and I. think one of the things about him was.

his physicality and his mind and I think. those two things in many ways were. enhanced by yoga I think he's got some. disc issues now though doesn't he he has. quite a few he has quite a few yeah I. think he has eight bulging discs which. is horrific maybe you should send him to. your man oh I'm going to 100% I mean. I've talked to hix about a bunch of. things Hixon though is a bit reluctant. for certain kinds of treatment you know. I mean he's uh he's just going to eat. mangoes and [ __ ] meditate and [ __ ] I. don't know I don't know what he's uh.

what he's uh what he's tried or what. he's willing to try but I would love to. see him I mean I would love to see him. rolling again I mean that would have be. amazing if they could regenerate this. tissue to the point where he would be. healthy I mean that's the fear right the. fear for the first time for me is that. I've never felt any version of age on. the mat but when people are starting to. tell me oh we're not going to fix it. we're going to wait until we give you a. new one okay no don't like the sound of. this mate and when they're saying that. about your knee what is the issue is it. a meniscus issue um it is a meniscus.

issue but I've lost 75% of the meniscus. of the cartilage I get confused between. the difference cartilage and meniscus. what is the difference cartilage is what. covers the outside of the bone meniscus. is the padding essentially that's in. between the two bones that keeps them. from touching each other right okay so. they have so it goes bone meniscus bone. bone cartilage. miniscus yeah and the meniscus you can. cut some of it out but when you and I've.

had that done um my left knee they they. did a you know they go in. arthroscopically and they trim some of. the torn meniscus it's it's it works but. it it's less stable there's less tissue. in there it's more subject to. inflammation and swelling it doesn't. handle the load as well but I got stem. cells shot into there and I've never had. a problem since it's amazing I had a. problem with it for I mean I tore it for. the first time uh more than 20 years ago.

and had an operation I think in. 95 somewhere around there and then I had. another operation on it in 2001 2002 and. it was it's always been an issue since. then it's just one of those things that. it gets sore I just deal with it whether. it's kickboxing or whether it's lifting. weights or whether it's Jiu-Jitsu it. gets sore I just deal with it I you know. take glucosamine and krtin and a lot of. fish oil and anti-infl atories and. changing my diet helped quite a bit but. there was always that thing until they.

shot the stem cells in there and then. literally within a few months it's. non-existent like I don't think I have. this knee that acts up anymore now I. have a knee that never acts up it just. doesn't bother me anymore this is very. exciting stuff it's very exciting stuff. and tell me how thin um on the wedge are. we in terms of this being new well. they've been doing it and experimenting. with it for a couple of decades. apparently according to Dr McGee but the. understanding of the potentials and the. possibilities and then the practical. application as over the last 10 years.

has really come to the Forefront it's. really become something very very viable. it's not just theoretical anymore now. they're actually seeing people. regenerating tissue they're seeing. people where you have a tear in like. your shoulder something like that and. they're go oh you're probably going to. have to get surgery no then they shoot. it in there and then next thing you know. it a couple months later I mean I still. got some floating tissue that like pops. and crunches and stuff in my shoulder. but when it comes to like the actual. strength of my shoulder I don't worry. about it at all like it doesn't bother.

me I mean there's there's occasionally. some light soreness but as far as like. the functional strength of the shoulder. it's like 100% it's crazy so is this the. thin end of the wedge then so is this. going to is this going to turn into one. of those exponential uh it is oh for. sure for sure they're already generating. they they built this woman this is very. exciting very exciting it's as exciting. as it gets yeah they're regenerating. tissue they're re regenerating body. parts they built this woman a bladder.

she had a they took skin cell stem cells. from her skin and they with a in a Petri. dish they started this off and then. built her a she had bladder cancer and. they built her a bladder and then put it. in their body and it's functional it's. amazing I mean this is all. state-of-the-art now and when we're. looking at like 10 20 30 years from now. I mean you're looking at potentially. regenerating all sorts of things. regenerating bones for people have bone. cancer regenerating lungs and liver and.

spleen and heart I mean they're going to. be able to make body parts they've. created an artificial heart that beats. like with stem cells they've actually. constructed a human. heart this is a subject you know. something about I'm fascinated by it. fascinated by it because what what. they're able to do now is just a you. know you're just looking into the future. you get a window into this and it seems. like it's exponentially exploding I mean. all over the world there's people. experimenting with this stuff and trying.

to figure out new ways to improve things. we just the fact I'm having the. conversation and this isn't the first. conversation I've had in the last month. about this yeah it's part of the zeit. guys no oh it is now people are. understanding it and people know people. that have had issues with it um you. can't get it in America but in in Mexico. I know people that go over there and get. it done. intravenously and uh you know boss Ruden. you know what boss rud is boss rutin the. way he you know boss this big character. he's like and it was like I had energy. coming off my fingertips.

like boss is had some pretty significant. problems he's got fused discs in his. neck and he had major atrophy in his arm. because his disc was you know compressed. and they it was pushing on the nerves. and so the nerves weren't getting it. wasn't they weren't firing correctly so. his right arm he calls baby arm cuz his. right arm is kind of shrunk and so he's. experimented with a lot of these things. he's kind of been ahead of the curve. with this. stuff you should get Jason Stam in here.

I would love to you look like you fell. out the same trees I know we do right. yeah it's very similar yeah he's got a. couple of tweaks here and there I met. him he's a nice guy he had a bunch of. stuff going on with his body too I'm. sure he's B is in better condition now. he used to be an Olympic. diver uh used to dive for England you. know one of those divers right um. fabulous athlete and he takes care of. himself I believe it he's a good Nick. but you know he's got tweaks got the old.

knee that just never quite goes away. little thing and he does as much and by. the way get him on diet and he's Off to. the Races you can't shut him up he's got. you know leave him there for three hours. come back going have a cutle beers come. back they're still bagging on about it. it's something that he cares profoundly. but I can tell you now if he was sitting. here now there would be a battle about. you you couldn't who was going to say. what to who because you talk over one. another um you should get him in here.

though he relate to a bit of this Joe no. I'm sure do you watch your diet are you. a healthy eater not as healthy as I'd. like to be I I go up and down I play I. oscillate with 30 lb of extra nonsense. at the time yeah I'm now I'm weighing. 190 now I should we on about 192. actually today and I should be creeping. around a good fighting we about 178 so. what is it is it a booze thing or boo. thingo it's not the booze the booze. isn't the issue in terms of the calories.

itself the booze is the window to the. calories itself the pizza and pizza I'm. not a pizza man but I do love a pub a. pub I do love a pub and I like a pack of. crisps you don't really have pack of you. call them chips over here not quite the. same thing they're not they're not well. no an English an English crisp is a. heavyweight chip um and they work. particularly well in Pub so it's two. pints of Guinness and a couple packs of. crisps and you've belted in 1,000.

calories is complete nonsense in all of. about 22 minutes right um the salt too. is very appealing while you're drinking. a cold beer yeah the whole thing just. works enhances each other but it doesn't. take long before there's a heavy price. tag that comes with that I train a lot I. reckon I train weights three times a. week and fighting but another three. times a week I love training but I like. a. pub and it's trying to somehow reconcile.

that and every now and then I behave. myself I stay out the pub stay off the. booze for three months and I can and I. get myself down to 178 however it's been. five six years since I've been there now. I just dropped 8 pounds the other day. strictly I was strict with myself off. the booze because I'm off the booze I. don't look at food in the same way the. thing the whole purpose of booze is to. relax the trouble is as what also. relaxes the rules. right right now when you're you're.

dealing with all these injuries how are. you able to train through all the stuff. if You' got a shoulder that they're. thinking one day might need to be. replaced and knees that might need to be. repl crack on crack on yeah and I found. that and I'm sure you've had the same. through jiujitsu whenever I get an. injury I find if you start mincing. around with it and paying too much. attention to it it can dog on for longer. nine out of 10 of my injuries I just. train through and and there's almost a. bluffing game that you have with the. injury who's in charge here me or the.

injury and once the injury knows that. you mean it it tends the moon walk out. the door but there are more fundamental. ones like the shoulder and the knee the. next and well I say that actually the. next been giv me a bit of aggro recently. um so there are a few things that you. need to take quite seriously I can see. you're on to this Joe I can see you're. focused on this yeah yeah I know a lot. about this stuff yeah but you're. invested yes right and you need to be. invested if you mean it it's ownership. again your investment is ownership well.

my good friend Eddie Bravo just had his. disc replaced he had it replaced with a. titanium articulating lower back disc so. he had some pretty significant disc. decompression or uh compression issues. uh in deterioration and it got to the. point where his lower back was just. constantly inflamed you know Eddie's. world class black belt he just couldn't. couldn't keep going anymore why didn't. you send him to your man well it was. before they were actually shooting it. into the he had it done about a year ago. about a year ag8 n months ago something. like that so this does make me wonder.

whether you just hang on yeah with I. would say with stem cells with a lot of. things hang on with some things you can. hang on like uh ACL tears once the tear. once the the ligament is removed you. there's nothing you can do you have to. have it replace it's a terrible thing. yeah the AC and it's such a common. injury but you know what's interesting. is once you get it replaced like for me. I had a p Patel attending graft on the. left knee and then a DAV graft on the. right knee oh right you you've had all. sorts of things done yeah I've done it. all right and but neither one of them.

bother me at all anymore and they're. stronger like the the when they do a. cadav graph they use the Achilles tendon. which is a 150 plus% stronger than your. original ACL so it actually makes it a. stronger. joint right mine's not yeah well the. Patel attending graft is still stronger. that when they use a Patel attending. graft it is still strong and your Patel. attendant is a very huge huge tendon and. you can like you can operate with a. third of it missing which is essentially.

what they cut out when they I've not if. my right leg which has had the two acl's. I've noticed it's atrii and there's very. little I can do to beef up that quad. that's probably because you're favoring. your left side I am I am but then you. know I isolate it and I Beast the thing. but I just can't engage it I can't get a. flat leg like a can on my left leg you. get it completely flat if you extend. extended it so it bends. all your CS you got to get some stem. cells in that bad boy it's very exciting.

it's very exciting yeah it's it's the. real deal I mean it's something special. this 30 years I've been living with this. yeah they could fix you up they can fix. you up but diet is huge one of the. things about diet is inflammation and I. I never really wrapped that in my head. until see about three or four years ago. I had a pretty significant back injury. and that's like I was saying my hands. were numb and it was because I was. ignoring it because I would pinch it in. Jiu-Jitsu and then I would go ah I was. still going to roll light I'll just go. in there and roll light and then after a. while it was getting bad to the point my. back was locking up and my hands started.

going numb and I get this pretty. significant elbow pain so I started. really researching all the options and. what's really going on and one of the. big ones that I found was diet that when. you have too many inflammation causing. Foods in your diet when you're eating. too much sugar and bread and booze and. all these different things that affects. it affects like how your body uh carries. fat but it also Al affects where your. body holds on to inflammation and joints. in particular all the injury spots were.

way sore when I had a shitty diet so. give me give me the evils um as lead. Hamilton CA them the three white Devils. sugar. bread what's the other one yeah what is. the other one. booze no it's kind of. white the foam on beer. white what is it you should know what. the three well flour pasta sugar I don't. know what is the other one Dairy I guess. maybe Dairy there you go yeah I like.

cheese though so do you not drink. alcohol yeah I do yeah drink I just try. not to drink too much I mean it's like. all things in moderation including. moderation there you go yeah I mean I'm. not a big drinker I don't like I'm not. drinking every night but if I go out you. know and I I have a drink or I have a. glass of wine with dinner or a couple. glasses I'm I'm cool I think it's just a. matter of just controlling yourself yeah. that's really the thing so uh the three. white devils are you do you subscribe to.

three white Devils I occasionally will. allow myself to to Dance with the Devil. but with all three of them yeah with a. little bit of sugar a little bit like. last night I had some Linguini with. clams I don't I go on an 8020 which. means 80% of my diet's very clean and. then 20% I'll [ __ ] off like whether it's. Saturday or Friday or whatever how do. you feel about raw milk on pasturized I. love I love raw milk it's very exciting. I'm opening a little I'm opening a. little raw milk dairy are you really I. am I'm having I'm very interested in.

this whole thing um more from a culinary. point of view than I am from a uh. nutritional point of view however I susp. I suspect that there's a sweet spot here. um opening a brewery I love a beer. you're opening a brewery opening a. brewery yeah how much do you know about. making beer you know quite a lot. actually have you been doing it on your. own I've done all that sort of assing. around underneath the stairs routine for. years um which is great fun I like any.

sort of form of caveman chemistry MH. Francis malman you know Francis m is a. big fan of that sort of thing I'm a bit. of a caveman when it comes to anything. to do with food so I do like a nice. steak outside right I take my if I say. so myself um I'm good on a barbecue and. I've been I've been doing that. barbecuing for 20 years good on a slow. cook take that all quite seriously. um but so yeah opening brewery. beer and then when I'm at it I'm opening.

a butchers of Bakers of Candlestick. makers too it's going to a small hotel. got a place in uh in. england, 1500 Acres Farm got all that. sort of nonsense going on so you're. going to do Farm to Table the whole deal. make your own beer yeah raise your own. animals serve them yeah the whole thing. quite like gin I just got into gin. actually yeah I mean gin's traditionally. in English drink but I I wasn't really. into it until I came to America and I. found since I've been here in the last. over the last week there been quite a.

few gin and tonics going on yeah and Jin. apparently is the easiest of the spirits. to make so I might have a little swing. on that. too I'm good friends with Maynard Keenan. the lead singer of tulle and he went. essentially for for years just went and. developed his own Vineyard and where. where is he Arizona oh right yeah and. not in a place in Arizona that's known. for growing wine so he had to manipulate. the soil and I bet he's having a lovely. time oh he loves it yeah it's probably.

quite an expensive lovely time though. wasn't it I'm sure he's making money. with it now but he's he's a like a. legitimate genius and he's one of those. guys that Lit he cannot be stagnant it's. not even an option I mean his mind works. a thousand miles an hour and you when. you're talking to him you just got to. kind of jump on the train and hang on. there with him as long as you can and. jump off and go but he's just a very. very very intense guy and his his. particular brand of intellectual C. curiosity led him to start experimenting.

with wine his wine is absolutely. fantastic and he's a legitimate wine. expert like you sit here and talk to him. the same way you and I can talk about. bua or you know hoder graci or henzo he. can talk to you about wine and he's also. a purple belt in Jutsu too so you can. talk to him about that as well he's an. intense guy I like the sound of this the. wine business I do find interesting I. there's something happening with the. whole craft movement in general. that's very exciting. that we are going back to local stuff.

and people to a degree it's ownership. again yes it's take ownership of your. food take ownership. of everything to do with a important. components of your life and it'll got. robbed from us yeah you know what. happened in the 70s in the UK is all. these breweries brought up all the pubs. and they brought up all these small. breweries and used to have all these. breweries with their own little crafty. beer going on and then they homogenized. it and then they sold it back to us and. they gave it back to us without.

character and we just bought it because. we were stupid right yeah and then. what's happening is is we realize that. character is important and local. character is important and ownership is. important so there's this movement um. and to a degree things like Instagram. may have a dark side but also has a. light side is given a voice to the craft. movement so I like a man that makes his. own knives and you followed any of that. stuff yes yes I I order handmade knives. all the time that's what I use to like.

cut my food like they feel good I like. it's a completely different experience I. have exactly the same thing we order a. lot of handmade knives and when you're. cutting your food with a handmade knife. it's not what it used to be you realize. a knife should be a thing and it got. robbed from us do you know who Steve. Kramer is uh no I'm not sure if I did. he's a guy who makes knives with. meteorites yes I do know I've seen him I. there's a little thing on YouTube on. with Anthony Bourdain I've seen it I've. seen the thing with Anthony bouraine he.

takes a chunk of iron it came from space. it's fabulous yeah it's amazing yeah. yeah yeah I actually I got a feeling. that might have been the Genesis of my. interest in knives with that anti borine. thing there's a guy um mousi fire Arts. find that on Instagram but he just made. me this Damascus steel cutting knife and. a on a hunting knife to go with it and. it's just I mean I cut with it but it's. just I I stare at it from minutes before. I cut with it I look at the blade and. the handles made out of. thousand-year-old bog wood like wood.

that was like preserved from a bog like. bog Maple it's amazing I mean this is. amazing but why is it so interesting but. the fact is this it is interesting like. look at the pattern in the in the steel. this Damascus steel if you go to his. Instagram there's a picture of my knife. in there you could see it he this guy is. I mean he that's it right there the far. right the far right those two those are. the two knives that he made for me o. that's a sexy bit of Kit [ __ ] look at. those ancient bog Oak that's what it is.

look where where's the bog from is it an. American bug I don't know I'd have to. ask him I just took his word for. it but look at that thing I mean that's. what I used to cut up Garlic our sword. Excalibur we've made out Damascus skel. oh man really yeah I'm mean to a bit at. Damascus sexy stuff so did you have a a. bladesmith fashion for your movie uh. yeah wow so you had it specifically made. for the movie yeah poor old Charlie. Hanam who plays gang Arthur is has been. waiting to receive this sword how much.

does it weigh I mean this [ __ ]. had to get in shape for that thing right. yeah oh he's in Good. N like you ever do those um uh like. Shield cast with a steel Club you. realize how difficult it is to. manipulate even a 15lb club yeah bit of. hard work very hard work like those guys. like sword fighters must have had. intense shoulder strength and and core. strength yeah but they dig these guys up. in the UK they every now and then they. stumble across a body that's a thous 500. years old and they realize the deformity.

in the shoulders from all of. the right whatever you call that when. you pull a bow back yeah um and the it. used to be an English law that every. Englishman had to practice for eight. hours a week to pull back a bow so. you've got all these skeletons that are. deformed from the enormous strength of. the soldiers of these on the shoulders. of deformed how so like what what is uh. the issue with it it was the sheer. you'll have to Joe you know a lot more. about this than me but the they had.

become deformed through the development. of the muscle which in some way then. changed the the bone structure bone. structure yeah wow we got these massive. great right arms there's I don't know if. you know in the UK you know in this. country you do this the finger which is. the single finger in the UK it's two. fingers right but why is that for bows. and arrows right it comes from the. English Wars and the French Wars.

um and the Englishmen were famous for. their long bows a famous battle of aenor. where there was couple hundred of us and. there was 10,000 of them and they let. all the are they had um crossbows back. then and we had this the Longbow the. Longbow was the machine gun yeah in the. uh bow and arrow world and because the. Brits that's what they did they were. eight hours a week every Englishman had. to do that that they were pretty lethal. with these things anyway they. annihilated the entire French army it.

was this kind of famous battle the. French have conveniently forgotten um so. what the french did thereafter if they. ever call an Englishman was they chopped. off two of his fingers the two fingers. that pull back the bow so whenever as as. history then um made eloquent is that. whenever you saw a Frenchman you used to. wave the two fingers up at him ah and. then since then it's now just become you. know the old ubiquitous [ __ ] off sign.

have you seen the the way the Mongols. did it the Mongols they had these. incredibly powerful Recurve Bows it. would take 160 lbs to pull back and they. used their thumb they would have a a. thumb ring made out of bone have you. seen that no I haven't I do like a. mongle though they they're there's a. fantastic audio uh documentary on the. history of the Mongols the Wrath of the. KH with Dan Carlin you ever listen to. that yeah it's amazing yeah Ivan out. there was a bit of a fan of yours and.

that he keeps me up to date on different. things that you're interested in because. he's interested in the same things I. didn't know about the knives and there's. a couple of other things I didn't know. that you knew about but he's a big fan. and he got me onto this see those things. I think he got onto this because you got. him onto it oh I'm sure well but once. you hear Dan Carlin I mean it is. absolutely addictive but this is the. ring that they would put on their thumb. and they would pull back like that and. then they would wrap their index finger. over the thing where the uh the thumb uh. nail is and then pull it back that way.

and then release that's how they would. release their. arrows well it didn't get very far did. it well it did for a long time until. genas Khan died I mean they killed 10%. of the population they killed I mean I. was kidding joking around they killed so. many people they changed the carbon. footprint of Earth there was a New York. Times article about how many people died. during gingas Khan's Reign that it was. so significant you could see it in the. carbon data you're kidding no no I'm not. kidding see if you can pull that article.

they he killed between 50 and 70 million. people during his lifetime were directly. attributed to his army and his decisions. 50 to 70 million people died the. conservative estimate is somewhere. around 30 the liberal estimate is. somewhere around 70 nobody really knows. but they think it's between look at that. Mongol invasion in 1200 altered carbon. dioxide levels. they killed so many [ __ ] people a. time where there was probably only a.

million people kicking around on the. earth I don't know how many people there. were I think there was a lot more than a. million because they killed a million. people in Jing. China they killed they killed people in. numbers that we can't even in Jen I. think it was Jen China they showed up. and this is part of uh the Dan Carin. series the um the sh the quman shaw sent. uh like an Envoy like a party to go. search this uh city in China and as they. pulled up they thought what they saw in.

the distance was a snow covered Mountain. as they got closer they realized it was. a stack of Bones and the roads were so. deteriorated from human bodies just. rotting human bodies they had to abandon. the roads because they couldn't get. their cars through their their wheels. rather through because their wheels were. getting bogged down their horses were. getting bogged down in the mud. of deteriorating bodies how so many. people the Mongols. killed what the.

[ __ ] and was it just a desire for Empire. it's a real good question first of all. is the dehumanization of the enemy I. mean his idea was that everybody who. doesn't live in a tent and anybody who. doesn't live the way they do these fools. that live in cities they weren't even. human they were sheep like there was a. certain disconnect between them and the. other which is imperative it's most. important thing in war you have to. decide that that person is not you right. you have to decide that they're the. other whether it's the Vietnamese or the.

German the Nazis the Japanese like. whatever it is you have to decide that. they're less than you and they had this. thing about people that did not live. like they did that they were [ __ ]. these these weak people that lived in. these cities with their walls and so. they would just find find these cities. they'd stroll up and they would just. figure out a way to start attacking them. they would light bodies on fire and. launch them with catapults onto the. roofs of these buildings but what was. the what was the motivation it was just.

conquering just conquering I mean they. just wanted to expand their empire and. take over I mean it's not there's no. Noble pursuit in there there's no. religious Pursuit either I mean it's a. it was just expansion yeah well they. just wanted to own it all they they felt. like everyone they encountered was. subject to their Rule and they had to. they had to establish that it's a very. very intense series no I remember I. remember remember I got into about 5. years ago and I remember the bone thing. I copied the bone thing in King Arthur. I've got mountains of.

Bones no but uh I do remember some of. that funny how things. drift you'd appreciate this this is a. legitimate samurai sword from the. 1500s really yeah that's a real. one well that's quite sexy time what's. this shark skin going on up here I don't. know I mean I think that the uh the case. is probably a modern case but that blade. itself that is a that is a blade from. somewhere around 1511 they think how'd. you get your hands on this it was a gift.

really who from my uh business associate. Aubrey Marcus a good buddy of mine and. um we're in business at on it together. and he gave me this that's quite a thing. yeah it's quite a thing it's a real. thing it's not one of these blades that. once you take out it's got to draw blood. is it no no no it's a funny thing we got. this there's a military uh unit in the. UK called the geras that come from Nepal. there been for a couple hundred years. and they have these funny little knives. with hooks on yeah they're weird knives. weird knives and once they draw them.

once they're out their sheath they. they're not allowed to put them back. until they got blood on them so they. have to cut themselves they're not going. to kill anybody Jesus Christ that's like. a weird excuse to cut. yourself yeah I mean doesn't that that's. like a pretty rigid requirement don't. draw it unless you're going to draw. blood what can I tell you yeah I me. being a soldier is tough stuff it is as. tough as it gets yeah now that's uh. something about your your film I'm sure. is you're dealing with uh a different.

time and that life back then although. always precious the the finite aspect of. life is is more solidified it's more. obvious it's more it's something you're. dealing with on a daily basis as opposed. to the way we live yeah I think there's. all sorts of advantages to that if. you're looking down the barrel of a gun. nothing soers you up quite like looking. down the barrel of a gun and we've. managed to. distract. ourselves. by the comfortable liberal lives that we.

lead and that the price for that is that. we don't really accept the full. accountancy of life so we do give. ourselves crutches well you look down. the barrel of a gun all your crutches. are taken away so I suppose in different. periods of time you didn't have to you. didn't have the Indulgence of being able. to worry about what people thought of. you because there were more important. things to worry about yeah yeah there. were more important things to worry.

about than social media you had to worry. about arrows swords death constant the. thing is that even come back to the. mongal so what was his desire for gain. his desire for gain was the more people. appreciate and respect me then the more. I'll be is there anything else that. kills people other than that motivation. not like that well not even like that. I'm just talking about murder. right the whole Genesis of murder is.

based on the principle that someone has. more power than me so I have to take. that power away or my comparative sense. of self feels augmented if I can take. their life away it all comes back to the. same thing you're really asking someone. to tell you who you are and if you. paradoxically and ironically if you kill. them that makes you more powerful than. them although they they can no longer. bear witness or they did Bear witness. for a second but what does bear witness. is the story in your mind that somehow.

you are now more. powerful or you just [ __ ] hate them. you don't want them around anymore but. why do you hate them because they're. threatening yes they're threatening to. in some way they're threatening in some. way that somehow they can diminish your. idea of who you are or you find them. repugnant their actions repugnant. dangerous to their society something. then that's not Mur than right it's just. eliminating an enemy right or. eliminating a threat yeah if you could.

go back I mean uh I've often thought. about this as technology evolves like. will there be a will there come a point. in time where you can have a window to a. certain era like will will time machines. ever be a thing where there's a time. where you can actually go back and view. the past like is there a period is a. period probably quite a lot because of. Google Earth on one of those I like a. good porn on Google Earth so where I. live in Wilshire I've got a house in. English Countryside next door to.

Stonehenge if you go on Google. Earth where they plowed the fields you. can see where there have been burial. sites for thousands of years yeah right. Stonehenge is about 5 and a half. thousand years old but all around that. area in these plower fields you can see. they've still got maral bounds and uh. burial mounds and whatnot and the whole. earth is littered with. prehistorical.

Earthworks and burial sites and there. are burial sites that we have this thing. called Ordinance survey which registers. I mean but you all have the same thing. here which registers everything on the. Earth right so everything of any. historical value there's a map and they. tell you where the foot paaths are and. the roads are and everything it's highly. detailed how high the mountains are and. the roads and whatnot and I'm I'm a bit. of a anarak for that you know what the. expression Anar is no it's like a geek. okay you know those guys that watch. trains and planes and they usually wear.

those jacket it's called anarak so. that's where the expression comes from. so I'm a bit of an anarak. for topography the history of topography. so you go on Google Earth this was bit. of a wet dream as far as I was concerned. because I could spend hours and. hours pouring over. landscape and around my house you can. find these old these burial sites that. no one knows knows existed and it's only. since google earth existed I'm confident. that still I'm the only person that. knows these burial these burial sites.

exist so how do you know they barrial s. sites like what are you seeing if you. can build up a an understanding of it's. patent recognition again you can see an. established burial site which is seen as. a prehistorical burial site Bronze Age. or whatever it is and then you step uh a. mile to the right and then you can find. one under a plow field where they've got. rid of the Mounds but you can still see. the depressions which is in exactly the. same shape as the depressions mile to.

the right and then you can build up a. whole pattern so you know this is the. area where you get crop circles M yeah. so and then you can build up a whole um. picture which is a much bigger picture. and then you can start to predict where. one burial site is going to be and it's. a bit like finding treasure and you go. 200 that yards that direction 200 yards. that and it should be about and bang. there it is you can see half of these. depressions and then it runs into a wood. or whatever it is but this stuff that.

exists and you wouldn't have known. before Google Earth came along how much. work is being done on like trying to. study those things well a thing is it. I'm sure quite a lot but the thing is is. prehistorical so the really the only. thing that's there is arroe heads right. right and burial mounts and every now. and then they dig one up and then they. find a boat buried with a lots of gold. in it and what not and that happens. every now and then. um but there isn't much evidence that. was left behind so you know most of.

these things are just a mound of Earth. with a few bones in but it's kind of. crazy because that's an area where. people have been living for thousands of. years it's not like people went away and. then came back and now you're trying to. like people have consistently lived in. that area like and then you see things. like that horse that stone horse in the. in the countryside yeah the chalk horse. yeah like there one a big man with a big. Willie too who's made out of chalk horse. chalk you have look him up he's uh uh. the man with the big white Willie um and.

all in that area that you have these. different emblems of what represented. tribes or whatever so we now live in the. UK which is the United Kingdom but there. is a legacy there I mean you'll have the. same here there is a legacy there that. you can you can trace back step by step. for thousands of years and we get you. know get my night around the Romans. right that was a couple of thousand. years ago and the Romans been kicking.

around the UK a couple of thousand years. and then they went and then came the. Saxons um and then after the Saxons then. the French came in and then the French. basically took over the UK in 1066 and. then you have the culture that we have. now but you can see you somehow you. forget that it go that your culture goes. on gone for thousands of years and you. accept really what we see as history as. the last 6,000 years or 5,000 years but.

when you can have a connection to it it. goes back further than that it's hard to. get your nut around the Romans never. mind the Bronze. Age yeah and then what is that there's. the guy with the Big Willie holy [ __ ]. what an OD and how old is that don't. know did say how old he. is there's lots of that that goes on. around imagine that guy running at you. fully around. with a giant Club how strange and. there's a bunch of these and they do. they understand the origins of these.

things they know where they came from I. don't know is the answer to that these. These are later they look quite. primitive though don't they yeah I think. these are. later how strange but that whole area is. littered in this sort of paraphanalia if. you will yeah and they don't necessarily. know who did it or why no but what's. exciting to someone like me is that you. aren't going through any other conduit.

and I suppose it's what it is it's the. mystery it's the mythology of all of. this but it's your road into it as an. individual you're not going through any. history books you're seeing it and it's. like discovering. treasure you can access it on your own. on Google Earth and you're thinking is. anyone else doing this and why would. they be doing it I started doing it. because I wanted to see I can't remember. some aspect on some part of my land and. before I know oh look there's a burial.

sign up there I'll have a little look. then before you know break CRS lead the. bakeries and you find yourself filling. your boots with all the uh pastries in. the world um and there's something very. exciting about that so in reference to. what it was that you said earlier if I. could go back to any. time I'd like go back for a minute I'm. not sure I'm not sure if I'd like to go. back for for long I see that the period. that we're living in is the most. exciting period to live on this planet.

and not not least so because of what. we've been talking about stem cells is. that going to be the thing that allows. you and I to age more gracefully and. without so much. pain we have enough. wealth that we can live a comfortable. life if you decide if you choose to live. a comfortable life we have medicine that. we've never had before in this period in. history it is we were still.

complaining we're still complaining but. if we could just remember what we are. comparatively where the position we are. in history comparatively it's an end to. all. complaints yeah comparatively for sure. it's interesting too when you're talking. about this the use of technology and how. what you can do now with stem cells in. comparison to the Past like this really. exciting emerging time but similar like. the use of Google Earth to discover. these mounds and things you see what's.

going on in in the Amazon now they're. they're discovering evidence of. civilizations that were just rumors and. myths like the gold City the ancient. Gold city that there's that what is that. movie that they're doing lost city of Z. yes um they're finding these established. uh irrigation paths and City grids in. the Amazon jungle thousands and. thousands of years old and they don't. know the origins they don't know who was. there they don't know why they're. constructed what the culture was like.

but this was all at one point in time. just mythological and now they're. realizing like no no no this is history. and this is they've been told and passed. down in these fables and now we're. understanding There's an actual there's. a concrete a physical grid rather that. you can go and you could see like no. these are real cities that did exist and. the jungle is sort of engulfed them it's. taken over them it's amazing. yeah it's a thing Google Earth oh it's. incredible I mean it's allowing and this. is only step one I think Google Earth is. going to give way to some sort of a.

magnetic resonance type thing where. they're going to be able to look deep. into the ground I think what we're. seeing now is you're you're going to be. able to you're right now we're exploring. the surface of the Earth and we're. finding all these characteristics that. oh this is a body or this is a uh a. burial area this is a a pathway that was. probably irrigation but I think they're. going to be able to come up with. technology that allows you to do the. same thing but look deep into the ground. and then I think you're going to be able. to find all kinds of crazy [ __ ] the same.

way they can understand like the. complete Topography of the bottom of the. ocean now and if you look at some of. those maps that show the ocean it. literally shows the depths at every. stage you I think you're going to be. able to do that deep into the surface of. the ground they're going to be able to. discover all kinds of crazy stuff. someone keeps opening that door what are. you saying going we got to get going. this is why I don't allow people to come. ruining a perfect goddamn conversation. that's I know. Ivan's great guy your Bigg fan I'm I'm a. big fan of him you got some other. commitments I guess huh I do godamn it.

I'm selling a film I know Joe you go go. see it you like it [ __ ] yeah I'm going. to go see it I I love all your movies. man I'm a big fan I was really excited. to have you in here so uh when is it out. this weekend not this weekend next. weekend so that is Ivan do you want to. stick your head back in here no Ivan's. he's out scared now you scared him off a. I think if it's not this weekend it's. next weekend is that made the. 12th it's the weekend after Guardians of. the Galaxy yes so I believe that is May. the 12th right excited about it yeah I.

love the film I like it it's tough out. there though brother I bet it is tough. you've got a crazy business when you. decide and I'll just leave you with this. when you decide like to commit to an. idea I'm sure you have a gang of ideas. bouncing around your head to like what. makes you just go all right this is the. one let's run with it tell you it's. changing and it changes by the year my. next move movie is Aladdin oh really. yeah like the magic lamp that's the one. really yeah and in no small part because.

you know you get a weekend ah right so. that plays a little bit of a factor in. your motivation well it has to you don't. want spend three years on a movie and no. one hear about it right Aladdin though. by you would be very fascinating hope so. I'll find it you know I like the idea of. taking a sourn into genres that I don't. know anything about really so was it. kind of excited you like doing this King. Arthur thing in in in this fantasy genre. and this is sort of uh changed your. expectations for possibly considering.

other yeah I mean I sort of did English. gangster films and I went from that and. then I did Sherlock Holmes don't stop. doing those though your English gangster. films are some of my favorite films ever. going to be TV it's could be TV we lot. of that now because that's where it's. gone that sort of interesting stuff like. Netflix HBO type stuff that sort of. stuff um and then Man from Uncle which. is like a spy thing and then he jumped. in the Spy genre so and you go all right. okay I can go from this genre to that. genre and that's exciting and I've got. five kids and you got five kids five. kids yeah wow which means I'm familiar.

with Disney right of course um so yeah. all that that world looks very. attractive and challenging awesome guy. Richie you're a bad [ __ ] thank. you Joe I love having you in here thank. you it's been a great pleasure I've. enjoyed it enormously oh let's do it. again all right next time you're selling. something come on in baby thank you now. all right folks that's it for the week. we'll see you soon bye much love thanks. thank you. [Applause].

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