Joe Rogan Experience #851 - Shane Mauss

Shane Moss ladies and gentlemen live. from our studio in beautiful 818 thanks. for having me thanks for coming buddy. yeah I was saying before the show you. have the uh Duncan trussle seal of. approval yeah thanks Duncan yeah yeah I. just had my uh my second time on his. Show recently he an awesome dude no he's. he's one of the rarest people I've ever. met in my life I don't know anyone like. Duncan no me either there's a few guys. that I know like that is just a stone.

cold original you know Duncan's one of. those yeah he's hilarious he's awesome. did he did he give you the vult the full. virtual reality experience over there I. did that stuff's amazing I can't and he. he told me that the porn is really crazy. in it too but he didn't show me any of. the porn he got me close to the porn he. gave me the headset like dude you got no. no I got like right up to the wall and. I'm like I'm not going I'm not going. into the Matrix yeah I hit um I hit like. a wall in his room like shooting or.

dodging a thing or whatever it is it is. exceptionally realistic it's it's. incredible did you do the archery game. where the yeah the little guys castle. Yeah Yeah there there's there's another. archery one that I played too that was. yeah that's awesome there's one that you. had to an archery game where you had to. dodge like and you're like moving like. the Matrix to dodge away from there uh. it was like a it was like a good workout. I mean you see the arrows yeah yeah yeah. yeah no I would imagine it is a good.

workout because I did his boxing one and. that's a good workout you like boxing. against this guy this video guy and I. showed it to some Fighters and I was. like I really think that this could be. an amazing training tool if they could. figure out how to make the headset so. that maybe if the cord was in the back. if it didn't interfere as long as you. didn't do anything when you had to spin. around it would probably be effective. but it can they can map your body. movements like they had that Jamie you. would noce that um wasn't there an Xbox. One where it just sort of uh takes a.

picture of your body as you're standing. there yeah the connect God I had this. fixed before the show anyway I'll get it. fixed again uh yeah the connect can goes. it can read your like heat body heat it. can pick up sort not like it's not. reading your skeleton but it can pick up. the the your limbs and stuff so it picks. up the length of your limbs as well can. tell like where they're moving like if. you do the uh insanity or something like. that that will work out it can tell how. high you're lifting your knees up and if. you're not bringing them up to the right. level it'll tell you like bring them up. higher lift your legs higher lift your. knees up lift your knees up you're high.

enough like you know give you points. based on how you're doing and whatnot. obviously this is rudimentary in. comparison to what it's going to be in a. few years oh yeah and with police. training and stuff like that especially. once I don't know exactly how they do it. but but once it's like kind of Wireless. so you don't have the cord attached to. you and then maybe you could have like. larger facilities than just a small room. eventually and and uh I think they're. already doing that didn't you say they. were already doing that they're doing. warehouses they're setting up warehouses. for VR VR sets and they're going to have.

uh feedback in the warehouses like like. uh fans that blow uh wind on you and. there's going to be like movement on. some parts of the ground they going have. cool [ __ ] yeah i' I played um I played. one of the ones was a paintball one with. other people that were online and um I. mean I guess we've had kind of people. have been playing other people online. but when you're doing it in virtual. reality it's just a totally different. thing well I can only imagine I saw. their was one that they had these people.

on an omnidirectional treadmill have you. seen those no you sit I get the idea of. it you're in a circular containment and. you have like a harness on your waist so. that you don't ever walk forward and. touch the bars right so you're kind of. strapped in place and then your feet. dictate which way this surface that. you're on spins it's like a it's a. treadmill but it's not a treadmill like. it's always going so you have to keep up. with it it's a treadmill that you Propel. which I've seen before some people. actually like those they put them on.

like a serious incline and they do crazy. sprints on these uh self-propelling. self-moving treadmills so this guy had. this oh here is that it yeah there it is. there's the omnidirectional treadmill so. the guy see how he's hooked up to this. harness so he's in the center of it and. it seems to spin on bearings or. something and so he's moving like. literally moving through this this you. know virtual world you could have just. enm Landscapes that play out that's.

amazing yeah look at that thing yeah. people are going to get lost in there. you're also going to get really [ __ ]. tired cuz I'll tell you what like. playing that archery game my arms were. so tired just from holding like it's. like a static thing with your left arm. in particular you're holding your arm in. one position and then your right arm. that you're drawing the bowering back. you're holding that in one position like. constantly cuz the game is like 20. minutes long did you do the the paint. brush stuff I did not I only did two.

things I did the boxing one well I did. three I did the boxing one I did the uh. archery one then I did the one where you. just stand there and the whale comes up. to you yeah which is insane um well the. the paint stuff I think is going to be I. think that is one that's kind of like. almost there already as far as how good. it is you know the the archery one it's. like oh these little like. two-dimensional kind of things that are. you know it's not it's not like amazing. Graphics or anything amazing though but.

but it will be a lot better in the. future but the paint one is is just this. virtual paint where you you paint like. you use a spray can here or like you put. Sparks in this area and then you can. like walk through it you can like make a. circle around yourself and then walk. through it and shrink it and enlarge it. and you can see all these people that. have like painted entire ships like. spaceships that you can then go on. inside and like walk around and see all. the different areas that they've made. and and you can add your own graffiti to. it and stuff like that I think that's.

going to be like to to have someone like. Alex Gray or something like that get in. there you know yeah I saw uh I saw a. demonstration of that where they were. doing it in threedimensional video while. it's going this guy made something like. you're describing as four little. different rooms that he has within the. little uh the Virtual World virtual big. room you have he made four little ones. within the and these are all little. paint things that you could make using. the program and what um is he on is this.

Oculus or called it's on Vibe it's. called tiltbrush is the actual program. did you know the guy who invented Oculus. is only like. 24 yeah yeah did you hear about the. stuff going on with him this weekend. yeah he's a trump supporter and his. girlfriend's a gamer Gator he paid like. a billion dollar million dollars his. girlfriend hold on what' he say he paid. for a fund that fun of those memes like. the Trump. memes there's a meme fund yeah I'll look. it up while what we're talking about.

yeah I'll show you that's hilarious. there's a strange world that lucky I. think is his name like Palmer lucky is. that on right oh okay how weird a a meme. fund that seems so counter like I mean. it's more it's more effective than the. commercials they put on TV probably you. know oh yeah everyone on Facebook and. especially because Facebook's kind of. like a lot of older people are on there. now and and they're they're real suckers.

for those like uh I like America share. this if you're brave. enough and then you have to share it. there's a lot of that going around it's. it's like those old letters that uh like. when I was a kid the chain letters had. come and if you didn't send it to like. seven people you would have bad luck or. you know whatever it is and and now now. people are falling for that with like. Trump memes are you aware of [ __ ]. posting no okay Jamie Jamie alerted me.

to this new thing Jamie's my I'm already. interest catchy name I'm old so I need. Jamie to keep me in touch with the young. folk uh but there's a thing called [ __ ]. posting and what [ __ ] posting is correct. me if I'm wrong but it's part of the alt. right correct is that how it's connected. not necessarily they do it but I don't. think it has any not it's not doesn't. have an affiliation so the but the idea. is you're just posting a bunch of ridic. ulous.

[ __ ] like just to do it right and you. maybe your intelligence level may be. several steps above the stuff you're. posting and you're kind of half trolling. and being shitty at the same time like a. form just a form of trolling it's. trolling taking a new it's a new turn. but by the same like by the saying [ __ ]. posting like you know it's [ __ ] is that. the idea behind it like the value of. what you're posting is [ __ ] I believe is. the description defition you're aware of. it when you're doing it right okay. that's why it's like trolling yeah and.

so the idea is just to rile people up. who are like Hillary supporters or. something huh this is the most bizarre. political event I can ever remember in. my life it's too much I I I don't handle. it well I I try to not watch the news. and stuff and it's still just so. pervasive you have to watch it I know. it's like a sports that you have to. follow it's like a sporting event that. you have to follow there was a video. that a bunch of celebrities put out that. is so goddamn confusing cuz it's um.

celebrities telling you to go out and. vote and they're showing all this stuff. that makes both of them look [ __ ]. terrible it's such a confusing video. because it's all the stuff about. Benghazi all the stuff about uh like the. Hillary Clinton scandals the various. scandals is playing on in the background. while um Iron Man the [ __ ] name Robert. Downey Jr talks and then a bunch of. other celebrities talk and some of them. are like really ridiculous like some of. them are starting to cry when they're.

talking this is so. important obligation to be a part of. that decision you might think it's not. important you might think you're not. important but that's not true and the. only way but there's another version of. this that has okay maybe maybe this is. different I think I've I've been. hoodwinked I think this is probably the. real one because it says save the day. and the channel save the day and the. other one is someone someone made it and. took their speeches with some of their. imagery but then put a bunch of stuff in.

the background showing like how [ __ ]. up the Benghazi situation is how [ __ ]. up Donald Trump's past is how many. people are suing Trump University like. and then it like so it makes this thing. about saving the. day I guess most of what save the day is. is like. anti-trump but when you see the video. that whoever has created this put. together online it shows a lot of [ __ ]. up Hillary stuff too it's lets you know.

like hey you ain't saving [ __ ] stupid. it's weird that it's changing C this. culture and with memes and everything El. it's it's completely changing what the. the role of politicians is what the uh. you know what the president actually. does whereas it used to be like you need. a representative to ride on Horseback or. whatever and and now it's we don't. really need any of that anymore and so. now it's just these are just people that. are going around giving pep talks. because by necessity they have to raise. a certain amount of money so they have.

to go to each town and say America I. like America the most the other guy. doesn't like America the best and I. support the troops the most the other. person doesn't and they're just giving. the same talk and every they're not. actually I don't know how much how they. could have any time to actually be doing. the job you know they're just going. around marketing and it's kind of by. necessity and how about when they have. when they're marketing and they have. another job already like they're already. a senator or something like that and. they don't they don't give up the job.

they just start campaigning right like. when the camp when the president was. campaigning for a reelection like a good. percentage of him working like him doing. his job was him campaigning to do it. again. yeah yeah that's what the [ __ ] that's. and it's getting earlier and earlier too. so we'll we'll be done with we've been. hearing about this for like two years. now and and then after the election. we'll maybe get like maybe a year break. before they'll start in on what the what.

the next election cycle is going to be. and everyone thinking this is very. important exciting and it's time to. change things very important yeah I. don't have a solution but I do have a. question like wouldn't it be better for. everybody if you couldn't advertise. wouldn't it be better for everybody if. you also couldn't pay people to put. promos up or posters up if that was. completely off the table like maybe you. could say listen okay here's the deal.

people can support your campaign you. know they can they can get behind you. they can endorse you but no ads yeah. yeah like we need a cultural spam filter. yeah um yeah because now even if these. people genuinely say it's just this. person who genuinely wants to make a. difference is super smart they they know. just how to do the job they won't be. able to they have to they have to go out. yeah Obama's very bright dude seems like. a hardworking guy. but he's still you know he's just out.

there giving pep talks and having to you. know raise funds and and I think it's. ridiculous to try to pretend that one. person is even capable of running the. United States government something so. monstrously huge encompassing the IRS. the CIA the NSA the FBI [ __ ] go on. down the line with every Union and all. the different special interest groups. that he has to you know they they all. contribute to his campaign he has to. help them out there's there's so many. different people has to meet from other. countries there's so many different.

foreign interests he has to address. there's so many different deals that are. on the table how the [ __ ] could he it's. like having aund jobs yeah and why not. rather than going to each small town and. giving the same speech I mean we have. the internet we have TV why not just get. together and have like a podcast or like. once a week where you just talk about. what you're doing and what your plans. are and you're shooting you're getting. together with certain who whatever. experts you're working with and and.

giving a summary on what's actually. happening and how things work so people. are involved and understand and can give. feedback on it rather 100% 100% I mean. that's because right now there's just. like no substance and even you I used to. think the de the debates were like oh. okay finally they're they're going to be. saying something you know they're of. substance but it's just you have one. person on one side one on the other and. and they're just digging their trenches.

and they're not open to the other. person's idea they're not having a. conversation like I I wish I wish. someone had just make these two children. just sit down and have a [ __ ]. conversation over over tea or you know. never going to happen because all. they're trying to do is win yeah that's. really what they're trying to do they're. trying to employ the best strategy for. Success they're going to figure out a. way to get in that [ __ ] white house. yeah it's just so strange it's so. strange and it goes along the same lines. to me is there's some certain things. that have been around for a long time.

that I'm like how did they ever let this. get in like if you are operating for the. greater good of the people not for the. most amount of money that you're going. to receive for making these decisions. but if you're operating for the greater. good of the people why would you let. pharmaceutical drug companies make. advertisements why would you let. politicians make advertisements why. would you let all the what the cigarette. industry how the [ __ ] is that still. around yeah how how are you still. allowing. that and then you're saying that.

marijuana should be illegal how I mean. there so many of these ancient things. that are so ridiculous that have been. around forever well and then things like. the DEA which just uh what was that 3. weeks ago when they decided they weren't. going to reschedule it even though. everything's going that direction. clearly and not just everything there's. nothing pointing the other direction. there's no there's not like well we have. some conflicting studies and it looks. like marijuana could possibly lead to. some sort of memory damage or this or. that no there's none of that. yeah it's just it it's it's kind of like.

I remember the gay marriage debates like. 10 years ago it was just like I don't. care if you're the most homophobic you. have your religious beliefs or whatever. it is but but the inability to see that. this is happening that this is where. it's going and you're just wasting a lot. of time on a losing battle is kind of. troubling that people aren't able to. look at society and be able to make. better predictions well they got caught. up and a lot of it is religious a giant.

percentage of it is the beliefs that. people have about gay people that are. based on whatever religion they grew up. with it's it's the only reason why you. would care people who are agnostic I. guarantee you if you like did some sort. of a survey and checked atheist versus. pick whatever religious designation you. know and S saw which ones were against. gay marriage right it would be almost. all of them the religious ones there's. no like there's no secular argument. against it the only argument against it. is look you [ __ ] people got it light.

gay folk stop don't get married don't do. it like you can't get pregnant they. can't rope you in you don't have to get. legally entangled to some other dude. that you might get tired of blowing okay. just just just do don't don't buy into. it it's kind of like uh I I feel that. way about some of the um when when they. celebrate like Jessica Jones or. something like that where it's like. finally there's like a strong female. lead and it's like it's like Jessica. Jones it's a TV show on on Netflix like.

one of those comic book TV show it's. just just the idea of how do you how. dare you think we should know that Fe. yeah. I I thought this is like some news story. that like AO or whatever it was Gary. Johnson the capital Siri [ __ ] up he. didn't know what it was but the idea of. of like a strong female lead being being. a shitty like action movie like women. can make shitty mindless shooter movies. too like why why is why is that a. positive thing rather rather than having.

like a female be president in a movie or. you know some some substantial we. already had that Angela Basset was. president in one movie one time and but. the big one was of course soury Weaver. in [ __ ] alien she's the best badass. chick ever yeah who's more badass than. her she didn't have any [ __ ]. superpowers just a woman who survived on. a a spaceship with a [ __ ] creature. that nobody had ever seen before that. movie was the [ __ ] and nobody nobody.

disliked that movie because a woman was. the lead see that's where all this. Ghostbuster [ __ ] falls apart you know. people are crying sexism and all the s. no it wasn't good yeah it just wasn't. good you know there's a lot of like. faleen seen it what was that movie that. everyone loves the wedding movie The. Wedding Planner no bridesmaids. bridesmaids everybody loves that [ __ ]. movie like universally I've never heard. anybody who saw that movie didn't think. it was funny I've only watched like an. hour of it but I was was laughing my ass. off it's [ __ ] funny and it's just.

funny it's funny whether it's like when. Sarah Silverman goes up she's not funny. for a chick she's just [ __ ] funny. yeah yeah exactly you know it's like. that's when when it's just that it's. undeniable you know like alien is an. undeniable movie and it doesn't matter. if like it would have been even better. if it was Brad Pit no it wouldn't have. it's it's it's perfect it's perfect as. it is so like the idea that we need a. female leader so badly that we're. willing to take this one it's embroiled. in controversy she's in she faints she's.

fainting if we bring it up we're a. sexist you're not supposed to fall. asleep when you just walking around this. is uh it I I mostly just don't like the. idea of anytime there's like another. Clinton or another Bush just because. like someone else their father made it. or you know their husband or whatever. else made it so now they also get to you. know and people like oh I remember that. name and put going to change I mean. that's why we keep doing Spider-Man. movies there's another Spider-Man reboot.

we're going to reboot the Hulk I mean. that's what we do we like to reboot. things how many King Kongs are they made. it's [ __ ] crazy you know they a gang. of uh the hulks there's three different. guys have been the Hulk in modern days. Eric Bana right um uh the the the uh Ed. Norton Ed Norton and then the last one. was Mike Ruffalo Mark Ruffalo who was. also in this campaign he's very. politically active that Mark Ruffalo. guy so yeah we're having a Clinton. reboot. it's a Hulk mean how many how many times.

can they do a Batman movie how many guys. have been Batman Christian Bale right. Ben Affleck um Michael Heaton George. Clooney more Batman than anyone right. that's the most reboots or has it been. Superman Superman had a TV show plus why. why bother after Christopher Nolan I. mean he knocked it out of the park with. the which one was that that that was the. last three with Batman Begins and with. and um Dark Knight and um. he he's the guy he makes he made.

Inception and Interstellar and momento. and whatever also Christian Bale's just. a [ __ ] that guy's great in. everything he's great in everything you. know you watch you I'm sure you've seen. um uh serial killer what is it American. psych American Psycho oh yeah oh my God. and I I really that's a disturbing book. man it's somehow or another way more. [ __ ] up in book form cuz it's way more. graphic did you read it no right E I. don't read fiction actually I've been.

meaning to oh really yeah I don't know. why it just doesn't attach to me that's. really common there's a lot of people. that don't really yeah Natasha liro and. uh and mosha mosha Casher they call uh. like Game of Thrones they call it make. them UPS they they don't like fiction. things because you can just make up. anything oh now a dragon comes and eats. you I I love it on TV and I don't know I. think that if I read more fiction I. would have uh I think it would help my. vocabulary and and um I'd be a better.

Communicator possibly but I I just don't. attach to it yeah I like it I like I. like uh Preposterous science fictiony. type stuff I think that would be my way. in like stuff that dealing with physics. and future and technology stuff I like. horror ones too I was always a huge. Stephen King fan just CU it's just such. a Escape you know like to read about. something that's just fun but crazy you. know you just get lost in some else's. ideas someone else's creativity and the.

only way they really get to express it. fully is to just make up an entire world. you know whereas like if someone I mean. you obviously you're creative when you. write a book about anything you could. write a book about nature you could be a. wildlife biologist that writes an. amazing book about nature you could be. creative in your telling of these. stories and make it exciting but this is. kind of a difference to me when I'm. listening to a song or I'm watching a. movie or I'm reading a book I always try. to think this is someone's creativity.

like this is coming out of a person's. brain yeah they invented this whole idea. this premise yeah that's fascinating to. me I don't have a mind for that for well. you like people who are into like. creating movies especially I think. that's a very specific mindset you know. of like looking at all these different. things and going oh yeah I got to piece. these together and I have to have an arc. and I have to have you know I have to. have a hero and I have to have this and. I have to have a okay how do I how do I. mix this up how do I make it good I know.

that's like when I watch when I watch. like Christopher Nolan or or um Quinton. Tarantino or something like that like. the story is so good I'll I'll like get. teary eyed just at the story structure. you know and and it'll end and be like. that was perfect that's exactly how it. needed to end and uh I'm Blown Away by. that and jealous because I I can't. imagine myself ever thinking of anything. like that yeah know there's some movies. that you just walk out of there you like. I'm going to do better at whatever I do. today cuz I saw that movie yeah you know.

he used to tell me all that time that. all the time is Paul Mooney Paul Mooney. used to always say that when he wanted. to write he would go get entertained he. goes go see a show go see a live show go. to the movies he goes go be entertained. and then you'll write better yeah I mean. I I thought that with when I when I kind. of got into doing more science stuff. with my work rather than just straight. standup um I I realized like well if you. want to be interesting like read. interesting things be interested in. interesting things you know it just it.

just feels that well I want to talk to. you about that but before I talk to you. I don't want to forget about this you. you um we were talking about what I. think we say it katum I think we you. call katum and um this is something that. is in the news right now because it's. helped a lot of people overcome opiate. addiction yeah and they're about to make. it schedule one meaning that it has no. medical use whatsoever no n right highly. addictive no medical use are you going.

to take it right now live on right now. it's legal to do boy they're going to. get you retro retroactively know I know. the statue of limitations on illegal. drugs it takes like an hour to kick in. and so and this is a very mild dose it. is 12:23 at 1:23 I'm going to start. asking you weird questions I'm already. on some oh you already some before you. just taking this [ __ ] all day long uh no. um I take before I do podcasts and well.

um I still have some pain management. issues from an injury and tell everybody. about the injury cuz it's crazy it's a. crazy story um so I was this was a. couple years ago I I was in the best. shape of my life and I was rock climbing. like three four times a week and and. doing CrossFit and all this and I was. like I I've always been lanky like this. my whole life and I actually had muscles. for the first time in my life and just. like felt like Superman and and I was um. supposed to be rock climbing it's on my.

birthday and um and there's some fires. in Sedona where the rock climbing was. supposed to be and so so we went for a. hike instead just to see a little bit of. Sedona as my first time there and I was. out with my friend um Mikey and he so. he he was like this he was like 3 400 lb. I think he was like 400 lb um like his. whole life he's been like hugely obese. and then he went on this diet that he.

just drank coffee with butter in it. for like 40 days that's it that's all he. ate yeah yeah he cracked himself out and. then he uh how much did he lose in 40. days like ,000 pound like 200 lb like he. lost like all of his weight and then he. was like a normal person that sounds. crazy you lost 200 lb in 40 days I don't. know if it was that much it was. significant it was like well over 100 lb.

in 40 days yeah and he um and then he so. then he started doing like Jiu-Jitsu and. started like becoming active for like. the first time in his life and and was. like all excited about this and so he. was like oh I have this there's this one. shortcut that I want to take my my wife. will never let me and so let's let's go. and do that now and I looked at wife w't. let me take a shortcut because it was. too high of a jump and then I and we got. to this and um and I looked and I was. like yeah that's too high and he was.

like so because he's been so huge his. whole life he has no idea of how high. you can jump from like this you know. he's he's never been able to like jump. before and and I know cuz I'm an. adrenaline junkie I love Heights I've. been climbing trees and jumping off [ __ ]. my whole life and um and I was like this. is too high and he's like I think if we. like climb down a little it would be. okay I'm like I don't know and I was. wearing bare fooot running shoes at the. time and then he was like determined he.

was going to do it and I was like so it. was jumping from a cliff onto another. cliff and so if you couldn't roll and if. you landed it wrong and you rolled off. it was like death hundreds of feet Jesus. [ __ ] Christ and and so now I'm like. I'm going to watch this guy roll off. this Cliff cuz he's new to like physical. activity he doesn't know what the [ __ ]. he's doing and he's about to jump off. this thing that's on the other side he's.

been carrying around an extra 100 plus. pounds on his legs his whole life his. legs are probably strong as hell yeah. yeah imagine and uh it was weird cuz he. had like weird skin like hanging off. everywhere and stuff from all from like. stretch marks and stuff but he um so he. was he was determined and I was like I. was looking at it and I was like you. know what I think that I could make it. oh jeez and then I can I can like at. least be there so he make sure he. doesn't roll off this [ __ ] cliff in. front of me oh my God and um yeah I mean.

you know it's one of those things you. feel like a fool in hindsight and I I. was like you know I've jumped off stuff. higher than this it's just that I'm. wearing bad shoes and I can't roll I'm. going to have to take it with my feet. and I even told him I was like I'm I'm. going to be risking breaking a heel cuz. I broke a heel once before when I was. like a teenager I love jumping off [ __ ]. um and so but it wasn't like the end of. the world I was like you know if that if. I break a heel it won't I'll still be.

able to get around it's just like a. couple month thing and I in my mind this. is the worst of what's going to happen. and so I went for it and I and I jumped. and I landed and um and then and I as. soon as I landed I heard both of my. heels Break um it just the sound shot. through my body and I heard it like it. sounded like a branch like snapping. underwater and. and I I was I think I was in shock or.

something cuz I just kind of turned and. looked at him I was like I just broke. both my heels and I set it just like. that and so he thought I was like joking. so he is just about to I'm like no no no. I really broke both my heels you're. going to have to go around and try to. help me down and I started making my way. down it took him like a half hour 45. minutes to get to me and I had to kind. of uh do you remember when you were in. school in gym class did you have to do. that crab walk thing where like your. Bell's facing the air um so I had my. left foot just was was already like five.

times its size within like 30 seconds. and so I couldn't use that at all and. then my my right foot was just uh I. couldn't even tell if it was totally. broken if if I just bruised it real bad. but I was able to use my toes thankfully. and so I had to kind of like uh one foot. crab walk uh down and then he got around. to me and was and like a couple people. were trying to help me for a little bit. but too steep for anyone to help me so I. just kind of had to make it down on my.

own once we were at level ground which. took like 3 hours um of just like it it. was an exceptionally annoying uh I mean. it was painful I I'd scoot down for a. little bit and then I'd have to take a. break for a few minutes and just like. and just like roll around in the fetal. position in pain wow and um and then um. and he was like he was like so this is. his dumb idea and on the way down he's.

just like standing there like next to me. waiting for me like trying to lighten. the mood by telling me jokes and stuff. I'm like dude this is not the time for. jokes I am [ __ ] pissed right now and. um I was like it's it's it's fine it's. going to be fine I just [ __ ] need to. focus and get through this and got down. went to the hospital I still I mean it. hurt real bad and we had to go to a. second hospital cuz the one was too full.

and and then I mean I thought it was bad. but I I thought I was like this is more. than just a little break this is like. this is a pretty big break and then the. doctor came in and he's like this is. this is really serious and uh and you're. your heels in like 20 pieces oh Jesus do. you have a x-ray so I could freak out. yeah it's um it's actually the the uh I. I made an album about it called my big. look at this you're on [ __ ] ball.

that's the cover art is the x-ray of my. heel this is the X-ray post surgery it's. got all the screws and plates in it yeah. yeah um I don't know I imagine I have. the originals around somewhere um and I. maybe somewhere way back in my Facebook. you could see some of the scars and. stuff like that it's real gross I'm not. sure if you'll be able to find it or not. um but uh so so they put these metal. plates in and kind of screwed in the. pieces of the the bigger pieces of the.

bone that were still there like where. they wanted them to be eventually cuz. it's you can't just put the bone it's. like if you if you snap like a candy bar. and try to put it together there's all. these crumbs and stuff like that missing. and so they just kind of put it in place. where it was supposed to be and and um. and they're like well hopefully it just. kind of grows back and comes together. right and um and it did really the real. issue was so they um the way they did.

the surgery they told me ahead of time. off ladies and gentlemen it's a first. you see that what am I looking at right. here yeah what is that that's the from. where they went in with the surgery okay. so um they they they said they didn't. want to do the surgery at first cuz. they're like this is really complicated. surgery but if we don't do it I don't. think you're ever going to walk right. again and um why did they not want to do. it they weren't qualified to do it is. that the idea no this guy was like this.

guy I got referrals and this guy was. like as good of there's there's go. further back than that there's some real. disgusting stuff um. so um they just just the area that it's. in and and so there's this is It's like. a 90° angle that they have to cut in in. the corner of it oh there we go there. that doesn't look good that and that was. like that was like months and months. later too that was this is a post.

surgery this is like four months after. the fact that's still what it looked. like dead tissue yeah a lot of scar. tissue and stuff so see where it's open. there and that that corner ripped open. there like I hope this corner doesn't. rip open cuz this sometimes happens with. this surgery and if it does you're going. to be really susceptible to infection. right and um so I had I couldn't when I. at the time I lived in Malibu and my. place had like 50 steps and there's no. way I could like get up with grocery and. everything with two broken feet I could.

get around on crutches a little bit but. uh I ended up having to spend like 3. months in my parents basement cuz I. couldn't care for myself or anything so. like on top of having to cancel three. months of work and not have you know we. don't have a safety net right and having. no income and you know it's it it was it. was actually like I'm very grateful for. my parents and every but it's you know. it's just embarrassing when you're like. I I had to move into my parents basement. I'm sure they understand though I mean.

this is not like you just you know. you're were a loser and couldn't wake up. on time job lost your apartment you know. this is just [ __ ] man how long did it. take you to to start walking again so. after 3 months I got back on the road. and um and there was still this this. little kind of wound that had opened up. wasn't healing and then I started it was. just taking. they told me it was going to take like. at least six months to like start.

walking and it ended up taking much. longer than that because so about four. or five months in I got on the road and. then um and then a a doctor thought that. maybe I was getting a like just a. topical infection and gave me some stuff. that wasn't good enough for the. infection and then um I started so about. four or 5 months later I started having. fevers and then I went into the hospital.

and then they're like you have a bone. infection and I was like God cuz they're. like this is really serious because that. that's when you can lose your foot and. stuff if they can't stop the infection. they just have to cut it off oh Jesus. came back it canceled every all my work. again came back to LA they did a surgery. and um and I was really thankful that. I'd happened to sign up for the healthc. care this is right when the universal. Healthcare it just came out otherwise. I'd be bankrupt from it but it was still.

certainly it was not perfect at all they. wouldn't let me do stuff out of state I. had to get myself back to California and. and um what do you mean by stuff out of. state you mean surgical procedure. surgery and Hospital checkups I had to. pay you had to do them in California. because of your insurance yeah and so. when I was in Wisconsin I had to pay out. of pocket for that and and it's like. kind of not supposed to be that way. either but there was the I mean I would. I would call and try to and the. insurance company would be like you need.

this one form okay I call this company. they'd be like yeah only doctors can get. that form and so I'd tell my doctor and. he'd be like no you can get that you. have to go here and then it was like. around and around sometimes I'd have to. like pretend I was the doctor when I was. on the phone with people just to get. this [ __ ] form that ID need and so I. paid out of pocket so I was like you. know getting medical bills that were. piling up and so the second surgery what. they did was they just cut out they took. out the heart wear that's what that's. what got infected and then they kind of.

um where where the holes were from the. screws they they kind of drilled those. out a little bit and then they just cut. off they they cut as big of a hole as. they possibly could in my foot to suck. out as much of the infection as possible. and so I thought I was going to be in a. hospital for and I still hadn't walked. at this point and then I thought I was. going to be they're like you'll be in a. hospital for like uh week and a half or. so two weeks and I was like okay okay. fine I like I'm in I finally someone's.

going to be like taking care of me we're. just going to get this done right I have. my computer I was in good spirits and. and getting a lot of work done and stuff. and um and then like two days later. they're like your insurance is saying. that they think you're better and you. need to go home and now we need to show. you how to like care for yourself so. they had to train me on how to I had to. give myself IV antibiotics three times a. day yeah had they they put um IV they.

put lines in my arm and I had to like. make sure that they were sanitary all. the time and I'd have to wait a minute. hold on a second there that's a complex. medical procedure giving yourself an IV. dude I had to Google it I like [ __ ]. Googled how to your insurance what's the. name of your insurance company um I. don't know do I have. the that's insane um the fact I'm trying. so that's the other thing is I have like. two different insur companies so this is. like Health Net and then there's like.

this Lakeside Medical Group and i' never. know which one is like they i' call one. and they'd be like no that's your your. other company i' call the other one no. that's this it was just a year of. dealing with this so because of the fact. that this was so expensive they just. decided to say [ __ ] this guy let's make. him do all the medical stuff himself. yeah they were like I've never heard of. that before they're like well he's a. young guy he seems like he's in good. spirits and healthy seems like a right. guy like he could take care of himself I. think it it it was the logic behind it.

and so let's let's get him out of here. cuz it's expensive um what's that could. you fight it I tried I was like what. your I I can't do this on my own they. when they showed me what I had to do it. was so once I get the IVs hooked up and. I'd have to figure out how to like get. bubbles out of the lines and stuff like. that like I was Googling how to you get. bubbles out of the lines like that's. literally what I then I had to the first. time they showed me what I had to do I I. couldn't believe it they're like now.

watch this cuz you're going to have to. do this yourself and then so this huge. hole in my foot was packed full of gauze. and they started pulling out this gauze. I didn't know how big the hole was at. first but then it was like one of those. magic. scarves kept on coming yeah and and then. they're like so you're going to need to. take this out and then look in here look. in your hole you're going to need to. clean it out and like clean off your. bone and stuff oh Jes you can see your. bone. oh yeah I had to like scrub it off and.

then and then I had to pack it full of. [ __ ] again and all this with like. wearing gloves and a fa and a and a mask. and everything like that and and then I. and then I'd have to like put a rubber. thing on to to take a shower I had to do. this three times a day and then I. couldn't sleep either because I needed. the IB antibiotics had to be every 8. hours and it took 2 hours to do them and. so I could never get like a full 8 hour. rest so I was like it took 2 hours to.

set it up uh it took 2 hours for the IV. fluids to go in to kick in okay yeah. yeah so you have to do but you oh so I'd. hang up these bags and stuff I'd hook up. the IVs then I'd spend 20 minutes with. my Foo hole and then and then after. after like a few weeks of that see they. would always be like okay we can get you. another home visit or something like. that it would be like week after I. actually needed it cuz then I got I got.

this vacuum suction cup thing that they. put on my feet and um and they uh and it. just kind of sucks all the infection. stuff out and and uh uh gets gets rid of. and closes up and and creates like blood. flow into that area so it generates the. things actually work amazingly well but. but so then I had this device and like a. vacuum and I started performing again. I'd have to like take this vacuum off. myself and like close up my [ __ ] Foo.

hole and then go on stage and perform. and then get off and put this vacuum. back on and and uh oh I I remember cuz I. had before I before I um I I went. through a big breakup um before I broke. my feet and when I and I had been in. like 12 years of relationships and so I. was like I'm not dating for for a year. I'm not going to have sex I'm not going. to think about women for a year I'm just.

going to get my head straight and I did. that it was great got tons of work done. and then then when I started getting. back into things you broke your feet it. was uh no I had already I broke my feet. during this time which which helped when. like you don't have a sex drive when. both of your feet are broken and um and. then but when I started getting back. into it like I remember I brought a girl. back back to my hotel when I still had. this [ __ ]. vacuum on my foot and it I was just like.

it was [ __ ] awkward and I hadn't had. sex in like a year too so I'm like. trying to figure out how to have sex. again I got a [ __ ] vacuum attached to. my footh hole what was your health like. I mean what kind of like energy levels. did you have it would seem like if. you're going through your body's trying. to repair itself for such a long period. of time it has to wear on you right yeah. I I mean it was it was more just the. depression of it all in in the stress. was was harder than I I was getting. plenty of sleep and stuff but it was it.

was a depressing time but ultimately it. was kind of it was kind of good in a way. um building and some a little bit I mean. I mean I got a good album out of it um I. so I mean when I started in in Boston. when I started doing comedy I was like. Fearless I would do like the ballsiest. stuff always trying new material and I. just did not give a [ __ ] and I got a lot. of attention for it and and I I caught. some breaks early on and once I started.

making money and doing the road it was. like then you're worried about like. getting negative comment cards and all. this [ __ ] and that's like my livelihood. and and it was it was just watering down. what I was doing and I I wasn't Fearless. on stage anymore um and and so after. breaking my feet and having three months. at my parents house it kind of was just. like I don't give a [ __ ] anymore I'm. just doing exactly what I want to do and. it was it was uh it really created a.

change in in my career I thought that. album and like the new act that I'm. doing now are the best that I've ever. been how long ago was the incident and. the accident and how long did it take. you to recover um so it was it was 2. years ago um in May and then. I about one year in I started using a. cane and. then that's when I that was really hard. when I started using a cane because I. was like yes light at the end of the. tunnel and then I realized oh every.

other step that I take for the rest of. my life I think is going to hurt just. every other step and so it's like always. that's why that's why I take katum. before a podcast because there's always. like a part of my brain that can't stop. talking that can't stop thinking about. my stupid [ __ ] foot so is it is it. hurting you right now um no right now it. feels fine but when you walk here um. well the crom helps but if I if I'm not. on that most days it's just like having.

a pretty sore foot and then some days. like probably now it's it's coming along. better than I thought it would actually. about 3 days out of a month I have like. this streak and I don't know what causes. it I don't know if it's inactivity the. weather whatever I have a streak of like. 3 days where I can just where I should. be using a cane again where if you saw. me you'd be like what's wrong with that. guy years later yeah yeah um yeah oh. about a year and a half after I started. using a cane so about I was on a cane. for about 6 months and then I started.

going without the cane and just using it. sometimes and uh yeah so it's been quite. an ordeal are you uh doing any. exercising actually um as crazy as this. might sound I I got back into rock. climbing um I know I know how that. sounds hear me out I I I only do indoor. stuff so here's what I can't do I can't. run or jump I can't any quick activities. and I couldn't I couldn't do like squats.

or anything like that on it um but what. I can do is slow deliberate movement. that will help with flexibility right. now it's mostly flexibility and mobility. issues and nerve damage issues like the. Bone's totally fine can you um stand on. your tippy toes um like can you stand on. the balls of your feet I can a little. bit on my bad foot I can't do like a I. can't do a calf for ra like a a. one-legged calf raas on could you could.

you bend down with your heels up could. you like go all the way down like could. you stay on the balls of your feet and. then go down like a squat position with. your heels off the ground um a little. bit what I was thinking there's a thing. called a Hindu squat and what a Hindu. squat is it's a body weight Squat and. I'm a big proponent of it I love them I. do them all the time and I do them in. sets of like uh 150 160 sometimes when. I'm in really good shape I do 200 at a. time and then I do uh this is my main.

leg workouts I do those and then I do. kettle bell squats afterwards but the. thing about the Hindu squats is it's all. body weight you don't use any weight. sometimes I put a weight vest on but. most of the time I don't do any weight. but if you look at that diagram up there. you see when you go down your um Heels. come off the ground your hands go behind. your heels and then as you go up your. hands stay parallel to the floor in. front of you so you go as you go up you. push off with the balls of your feet not.

with your heel so as opposed to a. regular heel a regular squat rather if. you had weight behind your back with a. bar that weight would be on your heel. you would actually like concentrate on. keeping it on your heel concentrate on. keeping your you know when I do squats. like with weight I look up I always look. straight up so I make sure that my spine. is in alignment but there's a lot of. weight on your heel there yeah yeah with. the squats no actually that doesn't the. weight on the heeles like the heels. totally fine um it's it's more of a. mobility issue and and like all the.

tendons and stuff like that that they. went through during the surgery and all. the nerve damage from it so like. actually going up on my toes is is one. of the harder Parts maybe it be a good. thing to break everything up in there. yeah it when I do like a really intense. hike um my foot feels better oh man well. you should definitely do these then I. guarantee you they would help I want to. get on the [ __ ] Joe Rogan. program tell me uh give me a rundown.

everything I need to do I want to start. uh I I was in the best shape of my life. and and this whole thing it made me fall. out of all of it and I would love to get. back there again I guarantee you if it's. just a mobility issue if you don't have. actual pain in your heel I bet you can. get back to it cuz I know a lot of guys. have plates all over their body yeah. yeah they have all sorts of different. things holding their bones together and. they get back into yeah and I do I need. to like break up the scar tissue and all. that kind of stuff see this woman here. okay she's doing it wrong cuz you're. actually supposed to go on the balls of.

your feet and you're supposed to uh drop. your ass all the way down to the back of. your. calves people doing YouTube things I. don't know how to do it right there's a. guy named Matt Fury he's kind of an odd. duck but uh he's a big proponent of them. he's got a bunch of videos of him doing. it online here you go that's how you do. it see how's this guy as he goes down. his Heels come off the ground and then. he touches the ground in a circular. motion and then he brings his arms. parallel in front of him these are great.

I think I could do that they're super. easy for like the first 10 then 20 gets. a little harder and then 30 gets a. little harder then 40 gets a little. harder and then you started hitting like. 90 and you go okay I got 60 more of. these [ __ ] to go and then you. you know your your legs get super. fatigued but that's like what I like to. do uh for legs I start off with kettle. bell swings just to sort of get. everything loosened up I do it light for. a couple sets then I do heavy ones and. then uh from there everything's all. warmed up and loosened up then I get.

into those Hindu squats and I just do. cuz I feel like that's something that's. always hard to do like um I went hiking. uh in Nevada with um a couple friends of. mine that were very fit my friend Dan. Dodie who was uh we were doing a TV show. up there and he's the he was the. cameraman and he was much better than me. at doing these Hill things and I was. realizing while I was doing like God. damn it this is a very specific thing. like if you do it all the time if you. like a cameramen especially have they. get in some really incredible shape and.

they do these outdoor shows because. they're constantly carrying this camera. and walking around so like if you were. doing a show on hiking and you had a guy. following you this guy has to follow you. all the stuff you're doing plus he's. carrying a big ass [ __ ] camera as as. he's sitting there shooting what's. supposed to be you doing some impressive. thing like f I'm the one with 60 lb on. he's the real athlete but uh just the. ability to pick your your body up and. down like for long periods of time just. hiking you know like you could lift.

weights and you could do uh a lot of. stuff that you feel like oh I'm in. pretty good shape but it's the. monotonous grind of hours and hours of. going up hills you go W this is. something different well it also with. hiking it your your foot goes in all. these unpredictable angles and that that. is what's helping the most like I I do. stretches and stuff like that but I I. feel like the stretches I'm not mixing. it up enough like I do yoga's been. helping when I got back into rock. climbing my gym had a yoga class so I.

was able to do that again can you. balance on one foot um a a little bit. not very well does it get shaky or yeah. like my my also I mean fortunately it. was my dominant leg that got hurt so I. think it will keep on recovering well um. cuz there's a little more strength to. start with but my calf is pretty. atrophied and everything so it's I just. also have have to get a lot of strength. back which is um I've also kind of been. when I fell out of exercising I've been. a little lazy about it too isn't that.

interesting how easy that is to do like. even for me like I've been exercising my. whole life but if I take a few days off. I know I have to get back to it yeah but. part of me is like come on man [ __ ] this. I've never been an exercise guy but I. was probably working out like doing. something about 3 hours a day like rock. climbing swimming or jogging or CrossFit. or doing some boxing stuff yeah it was. like I was just like on a kick cuz I. also had I had quit drinking which I I.

drink again now but uh I had quit. drinking and smoking cigarettes and so I. was do you smoke cigarettes now um I'm. vaping now I I started after I started. drinking again cigarettes followed. shortly after and then i' so I've been. smoking cigarettes for about a year. which I [ __ ] can't stand cigarettes. and so I've been vaping and I'm hoping. in like 3 months I'll be able to go from. vaping to chew. I don't think I want to do the dip I. tried dip recently it it gives you quite.

a buzz it's interesting stuff I actually. accidentally swallowed it um but here's. uh one of the most interesting things. that I learned from the injury was was. how how your physical health or. well-being Alters your your perception. of the world like I um have you ever. heard of this study they they do like. the hot and cold cup study where they. have someone come in to fill out a. survey you know that's what they tell. them and then a person gets in an.

elevator and they uh and there's a. there's someone in there like. Confederate an actor is in there that's. like here I my hands are full could you. hold this cup for me and it's either. like a hot cup of coffee or whatever or. a cold drink and the person's like sure. takes the drink goes up the elevator. gets off gives it back to them you know. says bye goes in takes the survey and. then afterwards and this is what it's. actually about afterwards they go did. you meet anyone in the way in and like.

actually someone I met someone in the. elevator and then they'll they'll be. like so uh can you can you describe that. person and if they had if they had the. hot drink they'll uh they were more um. they would more often describe them as. being like warm or friendly and if they. had the cold drink they would they would. describe them as like cold or distant. and and the idea is is that that um that. the the way our our brains evolved kind.

of these these higher ideas of of what. like being distant as a personality. trait or whatever means H has to be. built over this pre-existing kind of uh. five senses kind of software and um and. so so there's all these metaphors for so. you call someone like bright or you say. we're having a deep conversation or. someone's shallow so a lot of these ways. in which describe life is is kind of. used through these physical metaphors.

and I remember when I when I broke my. feet I remember. thinking the whole [ __ ] world is. broken like I remember thinking it like. I was on I was going down this mountain. for like three 3 hours and I wasn't just. worried about my feet I was also like in. the [ __ ] political system is it like. everything just seemed broken like the. whole world and then I also remember. after I got the second surgery after the. bone infection and stuff and having to.

change all this I remember feeling. like like something like this nagging. feeling that I couldn't get over I was. like something's like missing from my. life there's just this deep like hole. like somewhere in my soul in my and then. one day I realized I'm like oh there's a. [ __ ] hole in my foot There's an. actual hole in my foot that's what's. missing and and just how much that that. your your physical senses can alter what.

your perception of the world is for sure. how you feel physically yeah changes how. you interact with other people it. changes how people perceive you it it. changes the kind of conversations you. have because maybe you'll have more. enthusiasm or energy or friendliness or. whatever it is when you engage with. people yeah then you can have two broken. feet and they can give you morphine and. you can be like ah life's fine this. going to be great morphine did yeah yeah. how do you go from morphine to this. katum stuff uh this katum stuff I just.

discovered like three weeks ago I. haven't I haven't taken pain killers and. like uh and and this isn't I I don't. know I think the research is out on it. I'm not saying people should do katum. it's working for me um do you ever try. uh cannabis edible cannabis yeah I like. Edibles I don't uh I'm not a big weed. smoker I probably smoke like twice a. week maybe at the most that's hilarious. that's only in California can you say. that a big weed smoker I take days off I. I have like I probably yeah probably.

once or twice a week I have like a hit. of weed okay but um Edibles help a bit. and uh the CBDs I don't know if I can't. tell if the CBDs are helping or not um. it seems like they do a little bit but. I'm still experimenting with some of. that stuff the katum I just I was just. in um I I was in Wilmington North. Carolina uh doing this dead crow club. and I had I was when I'm doing lots of. standup and on my feet in one place is.

when it seems to have a lot of trouble. and um and I was just like bitching. about it because I was just having it. was one of those three days where I was. just having a rough few days with it and. they're like you should go to the katum. bar I was like what's that katum bar. there's a bar yeah they have these bars. that they have like Cava and katum and. stuff and so I went pretty skeptical. especially when something's legal I'm. like uh okay that's not going to do. anything um and. I I had some and right away it was uh uh.

it like within an hour I was like oh my. foot feels perfect right now and I walk. just like a normal person um when I'm on. the stuff I'm a little skeptical I. imagine I imagine there's some addictive. uh I I had a scientist send me a paper. about it and I guess there are some side. effects I haven't read them all yet but. it's just not near what like any other. painkiller why are they making it a. schedule one is there a real issue that. people could die from it or is there is. what's the ld50 with is which is if. people don't know lethal dose at 50%.

meaning that if you give a 100 rats a. certain amount 50% of them are going to. die at a certain yeah I have no idea um. I I haven't done enough Research into it. um and and I imagine it's not that well. studied which I understand why you know. the FDA or whatever can't just have. companies making you know who knows what. they're putting in a bottle I I get that. um but but I mean if you look at what. people are saying about katum people.

that people that are trying to manage. their pain and nothing else works or. everything else is really addictive or. makes them woozy or whatever like this. stuff is like I feel like very ener. energetic and enthusiastic and just. sharper than normal when I do it how. does uh it help people get off of. opiates um because it's it's a partial. opiate um partial opiate yeah yeah it I. don't know exactly what that means you. take this stuff all the time how come.

you not like reading things on it um I I. don't smart guy yeah I've probably taken. it like 15 times now that's it yeah yeah. something like that okay um you took it. twice in front of me yeah yeah well we I. call that once um that we'll we'll count. that as one I it's going to be illegal. next month so I'm like I'm going to try. this stuff and see how it feels what's. the justification is there any. justification for the schedule one. classification is it something that.

people need to worry about I mean if you. look at how how the uh the DEA just just. didn't reschedule Mar which is think. about it if you're them if you. reschedule marijuana it's basically like. you're saying hey hey should we just get. rid of our own jobs you know should. should we just should we just make a law. that gets rid of our jobs and that's a. cynical way of looking at it that's a. cynical way looking at the people who. aren't aware of the the reality of all. the facts and statistics they will look.

at you and go well that's ridiculous. hippie [ __ ] but no nope it's not no. that that is what's going on and the. there's no way there's no other way. around it yeah I mean the the the maps. um organization which is actually. sponsoring my tour that I'm doing they. when I've had them expain what that is. Maps multi multidisiplinary Association. of psychedelic studies um and they're. they're the ones doing like the MDMA. trial. for PTSD and what and they say they.

actually like working with the FDA like. the FDA is not the problem at all it's. the DEA well bunch of cops yeah yeah you. know bunch of listen one of the big. issues with medical marijuana or. legalizing marijuana is prison guard. unions which is kind of hilarious yeah. it's like they are literally trying to. keep things illegal so that they keep. their job so they have more hours. exactly it's crazy it's again one of. those things it shouldn't be legal just. like advertising drugs it's one of those. things well when it was when Nixon. scheduled it in the first place he hired.

a team of like scientists and all of. these different different politicians. and different different experts in. different fields to um advise him and. then they advised him to not schedule it. to have it be legal and focus on. treatment for things and he was like. nope we're doing we got to get rid of. these hippies well that's what it did it. really and this was something that came. out over the last year I don't know it. was Information Act or whatever it was. but they released some papers that. showed that what the drug war was truly.

all about was the civil rights movement. and the hippies the anti-war movement. and the civil rights movement and that. they were trying to attack the leaders. of the civil rights movement and the. leaders of the anti-war movement and one. thing they all had in common was. marijuana so they and LSD yeah and. mushrooms I'm sure too so that's when. the sweeping psychedelics Act of 1970. was passed it was all passed under the. guise of attacking the political forces. that were trying to take Nixon out of. office Nixon was such a piece of [ __ ] he.

such a horrible horrible piece of [ __ ]. when when you go back and and see what. that guy did and who he was and what he. stood for it's wow when you're like. getting in peached or have to resign. wouldn't you like go back and look at. the things that he did and be like you. know what maybe we do a redo on that. whole presidency and whatever he did. just we we reexamined that yeah all the. different things that he was involved in. yeah they should have gone over every. one of his everything that he passed. with a fine tooth comb you had a crook.

in office I'm not a crook he was a real. crook real scary guy I I have a I have. my take on on why all of that happened. was because of psychedelics psychedelics. have this testable effect on on um a. person's openness so if uh like there's. Big Five personality indicator that's. it's not perfect by any means but uh. it's it's used quite a bit in Psychology. so you have conscientiousness like I'm. low in conscientiousness I'm a very.

disorganized person and and um uh kind. of messy um uh agreeableness I'm a. little low in agreeableness like I like. to argue with people and stuff and then. there's stability or sometimes called. neuroticism I'm in the middle there and. then there's extraversion also in the. middle and then there's openness so if. you're very high in openness that means. like you not only are you not adverse to. novelty you're you can't get enough of. it you love new restaurants traveling. meeting new people having having uh you.

know going on adventures and and if. you're and and the side effect is you're. the kind of person that maybe ends up. not having respect for authority and. ends up like getting in trouble with the. law or you're a little overly. spontaneous or a little too adventurous. and you break your feet or whatever it. might be are you a tarot card reader um. yeah I know it sounds a lot like tarot. cards and and really some of these. things shouldn't be taken much more. seriously than cards but it does do a. nice job of so you ask you ask people. questions like um do you consider.

yourself a clean person like strongly. agree strongly disagree where wherever. in between and so you're filling out. questions like that and that's how it's. kind of determining and it's. self-evaluation which there's problems. there or there's this uh there's a. website called apply applesauce you go. to it and and plug it in and it goes. through everything you've liked on. Facebook and kind of determines your. personality traits based on that so if. you're really low on openness you're. like the kind of person that's always. been in their Hometown kind of why go.

anywhere else this is great traveling is. scary to you your country is the best. you haven't been to other countries but. you know that your country is the best. and your whatever Church you're brought. up in is absolutely the right one the. other ones kind of sound ridiculous and. and Outsiders are very scary and one. thing that um that psychedelics have. been pretty well studied to do now is. that a single dose of psychedelics will. for a good amount of time often a year. some times for the rest of your life. you'll be more open you'll rate higher. in openness for the rest of your life so.

people were doing more psychedelics at. this time and they were and so if you're. low in consci or if you're low in. openness you're like you're often a. pillar of the community because you love. laws like laws are your favorite you. have this nice little Playbook that you. can live life by and you wish they were. stricter so more people would follow. them so if you're a lawmaker these are. your favorite people and then if these. people were you know Young and in. college and like oh what the heck. everyone else is doing that and then all. of a sudden becoming more open and.

starting to question authority I think. it did play a little bit of a factor in. in um a little bit of the Civil Rights. Movement so you think this was a. conscious decision by the powers that be. to try to limit psychedelics because. they were worried specifically about. people becoming more open no I I think I. don't think that they understood that's. what was happening I think that. psychedelics had this effect I don't I. don't think the government knows a lot. you know I don't think they do either. but they did do those there's quite a. few a lot of tests that went on with.

especially with LSD with the military. and then of course there was the Harvard. the very famous Harvard LSD studies. which there's a good argument created. Ted kazinski I'm sure you aware of that. right right you know the uh the was the. German documentary I believe it's called. the net that was all highlighted how Ted. kazinski the unibomber was a part of. these LSD studies at Harvard they. [ __ ] fried that dude's brain went to. Berkeley he's probably crazy already but. he went to Berkeley became a professor. hoarded off all his money just saved.

enough money to implement his plan and. then bought that little cabin in the. woods and started killing people who. were involved in technology because he. was convinced because of his LSD trips. that and really he's right I mean well. he was an exceptionally bright guy is. that that that's that was what was kind. of peculiar and very scary about him. like he was he was a genius well that's. how they found him out you know his. brother recognized his crazy rambling. scribe from the manifesto his brother. recognized the manifesto and probably is.

thinking it might be his brother anyway. because when his brother came back from. the LSD trips apparently he was. absolutely convinced that technology was. going to be the end of mankind that we. had to stop it in its tracks that it was. this like Trojan Horse and that people. were creating all this technology but he. was he was extrapolating he was seeing. the future and seeing everything he's. right he's right I mean this is one of. the things we're talking about today as. AI becomes more and more of a reality. you know even Elon Musk that the famous. speech that he said that we're summoning. the demon like this is essentially what.

Ted kazinski saw he's just his crazy. [ __ ] head he said the way to fix this. is to kill people technology I mean heut. good idea poor. execution well not even a good idea just. an an odd reality of the possibilities. of the future yeah um well so to clarify. just so just so I'm not coming off like. it like I think it's a conspiracy I. don't think the government knew any of. this stuff I don't think anyone knew a. lot of these effects I think I think. like a lot of these like cultural memes.

or laws that happen is just kind of. something something that just kind of. happened an idea that was stumbled upon. that just kind of ended up working in. the interest of the lawmakers so so I. think people happened to start taking. more psychedelics because you know. they're they're popularized for therapy. use and whatnot so so it just happened. to be that people started doing. psychedelics and it happened to be. during the Civil Rights Movement time. and when people did take psychedelics. they happen and people didn't know this.

at the time happened to be opening. themselves up and questioning Authority. more because that's what they happened. to make you do and then all of a sudden. there's a lot more troublemakers out. there for the government and then they. Associated those two together also. that's one of the things that I find. interesting I think it was Timothy ly. said this but apparently Terren McKenna. asked Timothy ly and he denied that he. ever said it so no one knows who said it. but it was one of those guys during that. time said that LSD has been known to.

create uh to cause people to go oh LSD. has been known to cause people who don't. take it to go crazy yeah like yeah yeah. that's a fun way of paraphrasing it was. more elegant than that but um that was. uh that's really the way it is like I. know so many people that don't smoke pot. and when they hear I smoke pot all the. time they're like what you smoke pot all. the time like how do you get things done. like potheads are lazy I'm like you're. saying that but you don't smoke pot like. how can you say that yeah I think it and. it affects everyone differently I know.

people that function at very high levels. and pretty much only do when they're. when they're on weed like if if they if. they stop taking pot they become it like. they become like dumbed down like could. it helps them I don't know if it's a. dependency or what not but but some. people it like motivates them and they. can clean the house they can take care. of [ __ ] and uh it doesn't have that. effect on me it makes me a little. paranoid it makes me it it dulls me down. a little bit I feel like but Edibles I. like Edibles don't have that effect well.

do different uh strains have an effect. on you differently or I can't tell I. mean I feel like I've tried a bunch of. different strains and I can't find. anything that I like to at the end of. the night have a hit of weed if I'm like. by myself and watch a movie or something. like that or if I'm just hanging out. with a friend watching a movie in a. social situation like I wouldn't want to. the reason why I wouldn't want to smoke. weed like before doing this podcast is. because I I would worry that I would get. in my head too much and and be. overanalyzing things well also you're.

when you're doing something like this. it's being broadcast like if you and I. were just hanging out smok joint. together we could say ridiculous [ __ ]. go that's one of the things that we've. done on this podcast a million times. just do just do it and then you know. people you say ridiculous [ __ ] and say. oh my God it's so ridiculous and then. people realize oh everybody gets. [ __ ] when they smoke pot it's not. like just. me but I think that there's um there's. some people like you that say that that.

different strains don't affect them any. differently and I don't know that they. don't I just can't figure out what it is. for me there's a real big difference. particularly with like the kushes like. any any like serious indicas like they. have almost like a narcotic effect on me. like I enjoy it I enjoy it but it's not. what I would smoke before I would go on. stage see when I now I so here's the. other problem I guess with my uh the way. that I smoke when I first started when I.

first got my medical marijuana card went. into this amazing the first time you. walk into a dispensary is like yes oh my. God the future um and I you know went. crazy I spent like 700 bucks give me. like money's No Object give me I want. the finest of every kind of everything. that you had have and then I realized. that what happens when you smoke the. best of the best is you have for me I. have one hit and then I can't I can't.

I'm in a coma one hit one hit and I am. out or I'm like crazy paranoid or it but. so now what I do is I just get usually. if I'm going to get weed rather than. Edibles I just get um I just get stuff. out of the shake jar that's like five. bucks a gram or whatever this is the new. [ __ ] son what is it edible breath spray. is that what is it like a CBD or is it. no no no no no this will change your. [ __ ] life this uh has it's a th000.

milligrams a do I don't know how it. works but you're only supposed to take. six pumps and you get a th000 milligrams. or something I don't know the whole. thing is a th000 and it's about that's. not right Mig per spray this one is 175. oh that's a smaller one yeah there's. different size 375 milligram the whole. bottle is that much but I think 6 Mig of. spray yeah can I try it yep that's I. think put under my tongue and then I. think there's some that are more potent. this one's the most potent anyway this.

one that's the most potent this is the. Thousand this is the like a th milligram. Brown you're not supposed to eat the. whole thing at one time you're supposed. to take like a a nibble well he makes. A500 too which is really problematic. what I like about Edibles is is how it's. measured and and there seems to be like. a little difference in between Brands. and stuff but I know 5 Mig nothing 10. Mig just kind of feel a little good 15. milligrams I'm starting to get high 20. now I'm high 25 now I'm really high and.

I don't do more than that I took 10. sprays and then did a podcast and I was. [ __ ] my. pants I think I might have done 12 I. might have done 12 12 sprays and I did a. podcast where the whole time I was doing. the podcast was I was skiing downhill. just hoping I didn't have to change like. hoping I didn't have to turn or avoid. another skier I was like oh Jesus oh. Jesus stay up just St. up yeah I uh I I I've been high on stage.

probably 20 times in my I've been doing. comedy for like 12 years or something. like that and I probably had 10 of those. times where I felt like I was giggly and. having fun and it helped the show and. then I had 10 of those times where I was. just like I couldn't think straight I. couldn't remember anything and it's just. not worth the risk for me it's total. crapshoot yeah I I one time I I said the. setup of one joke with the punchline of. another joke and at the time like it was.

just a really hot audience and I was. doing really well and at the time they. laughed and I was like I realized why I. was like wait a second what are you guys. laughing at and then I went back and I. told both jokes and explained why I. screwed up so I like so I don't know. what the [ __ ] you guys were laughing at. cuz what I said made no sense maybe it. was just my inflection was funny or. something like that wow that's funny. yeah maybe they didn't want to seem. stupid yeah yeah it's like one of those. Dennis Miller things you laugh at his.

reference oh yes you know was a. heartbreaker for me somebody told me he. doesn't really know what he's talking. about that he just comes up with like. these really obscure references because. they work well in a joke for him. McDonald told me that he was yeah he. doesn't even know those things I went. what come on yeah there is I just had a. podcast talking with a guy like one of. the reasons why we laugh at things is. because is because you're you're. conveying that you have that same. knowledge you know that you get it that. you understand the context for it or.

whatever it's like advertising that you. also know this well you want to be in. with the cool crowd cool crowd knows the. joke Ah that's hilarious why is it. hilarious. Shane because I want you to like me I. know that's it's weird that a lot of the. some and and I have plenty of movie. references and stuff now but it's it's. seems like a lot of the the uh quote. unquote like smart comedy these days is. just like movie references it's like.

well why is that you watch a lot of TV. like I don't get why that's smart that. you know of this obscure show that like. you just watch too much TV you want you. go to alt rooms or something is that. what that is that happens in alt rooms. that's kind of but I mean I like alt. rooms as well but um but I I see that. sometimes where I'm like that's that's. just a movie that no one knows about. that you watch watch like I don't get. why that's smart that's not it's not. like indicative of intelligence it's.

just like o other people don't know that. so it seems like it's smart right you're. clever because you remembered something. right that's pointless yeah that was a. complete waste of time so back to this. katum stuff where do you buy it um you. can get it at any head shop or you can. get it online for about another week. that is so crazy and so then one it once. it becomes schedule one then it's like. pot or heroin like if you get caught. with you're going to jail yeah I I don't. I mean the schedules don't necessarily. affect what the penalties are like.

you'll get in more trouble for a. schedule two cocaine than you will will. a schedule one marijuana right um but so. I don't know what the actual penalties. will be for but yeah I think it will be. a schedule one so they then they have to. establish penalties but do they. establish penalties based on science I. mean do they have any logic behind what. they're saying or they just come I mean. I I don't think they I don't think they. establish any penalties based on science. I don't think our prison system I think. if the scientists were running the. prison system they would get scrap it.

and start all over it be about reforming. and Rehabilitation which is what it's. supposed to be about right and uh yeah I. I don't think I don't think we're doing. great science with our PR prison system. in any way yeah the whole thing is just. one person telling another person what. they can and cannot put in their body. where you can't demonstrate that it's. hurting anybody else but that person to. me that's like okay if that's the case. well why is it okay to rock climb cuz. rock climbing is obviously dangerous why.

is it okay to bungee jump why is it okay. to jump out of airplanes that stuff's. all legal but you can't take this katum. stuff and you can I mean you can uh. where is it that they that they use. those bullet ants and like put them on. their hands and like you can triph M. doing that from the pain the Pain's so. intense that they trip like they do with. this during ceremony. you can run a marathon and get into a. transcendental State because your body. is going through such torture that it.

goes into this different part of your. brain that pushes you through it and um. I mean you can hallucinate from lack of. sleep um I I for for like six months of. my life I was trying to do the thing. where every two hours you sleep for like. 20 minutes or whatever for how long did. you do that like 6 months really um yeah. I like trying like crazy weird different. things and um I go on all these weird. different kicks um it was a nightmare I. started hallucinating after a while so.

explain every two hours you sleep for 20. minutes yeah about I I would set the. alarm for like 20 minutes and yeah so. ridiculous you know I so I was it was. before I was a comedian and it was I was. trying to I I was trying to I was. working third shift in a factory and. then at the same time I was going to. school like just tech school for like a. backup plan I wanted to be a comedian. but I was also like very scared and. didn't know how to start and and um and. so I was taking like 16 or 18 credits or.

something like that and um and then and. I also had a social life so I was every. two hours I just had it timed out I take. a nap and the crazy thing was is all ran. together so if I if I was in there for a. lecture on Monday and then and then on. Friday there was a test on it it was as. if I just heard it it was like it was. all one day it was like yeah we just. talked about this wow yeah it was really. weird and then I tried taking like. supplements and stuff like that to like.

do energy boosting things and um and. then one day one day my I I got anal. leakage from like all these supplements. I was taking and then I decided to stop. doing that it was just like a it was. like it was like a tan uh like a. oily yeah like a [ __ ] oil and I was like. you know what this isn't worth it and I. and I dropped out of school then Jesus. Christ and started sleeping regularly.

and if you went say if you went out like. at 9:00 at night you and your friends. went out would you just go somewhere at. 11:00 and take a nap uh yeah yeah I. couldn't go out that often but then that. is one of the most ridiculous things. I've ever heard where Shane Shane went. to take his 20 minutes yeah I just and. then two hours later hey you guys want. to eat I got to take a. nap but I'll be back I'll meet you guys. there thing was if you didn't like. follow the schedule really strictly is. when when you'd get [ __ ] so if I did.

end up having some drinks or something. like that and hanging out with friends. and not doing that nap or if I was at. work and like I wouldn't get my break. when I was supposed to um it would it. would really [ __ ] me up and I started. hallucinating when I was driving I fell. asleep behind the wheel once and and uh. like almost crashed my car went into a. ditch and was able to drive out of it. and so I I put an end to that experiment. but yeah last I couldn't believe I did. for as long as I did looking back on it. it's like it didn't seem that crazy to. me at the time I don't know why so what.

is that what is uh 12 hours at 20. minutes cuz it's half it's double right. every every two hours so 12 hours at 20. minutes so you you're essentially. sleeping and so yeah like four hours a. day I guess and but by doing it in these. long stretches where 2 hours then 20. minutes 2 hours then 20 minutes you. never really get into like Heavy R sleep. or no I don't think so I mean I I would. I would start to I would like wake up in. a little bit of a dream state wow yeah.

yeah Weir weird don't recommend it you. did it for six months yeah that's. amazing that you have that kind of like. stick tutiven that you when I get. focused on something I guess um but yeah. I mean the point is is you there's a. million ways to trip you can't stop. people from tripping have you done the. holotropic breathing thing um no but I. just started hearing about this recently. can you explain it to me I've never done. it I've had I've my friend Aubrey's done. it several times there's uh there's. people who really know how to do it. correctly there's a couple different.

ways is that wolfen or what's that guy's. name no no Wim Hoff Wim Hoff similar you. know Wim Hoff has some pretty there's. some psychedelic aspects to his. breathing technique I think too it. definitely puts you in a state of mind. but the holotropic breathing thing. somehow or another it uh forces your. body into a psychedelic State I've had. actually a couple people that have done. it it takes a while but through this. specific style of breathing see if you. can find it Jamie so we could tell. people what the [ __ ] we're talking about. I haven't done it obviously but um I. know of several people who do Kundalini.

Yoga who have also done DMT and they say. that through Kundalini practice when you. get deep into it on a regular basis when. you do it daily you can achieve DMT like. states on the NCH well I when since. doing DMT now if I eat M mushrooms I can. meditate myself into a DMT state for. like 5 to 10 minutes while you're on. mushrooms uh-huh um I I did mushrooms in. a float tank recently I recommend that.

and that was I don't know if it's. because of how much DMT I do or whatever. but that was like a DMT trip to me yeah. it was like but a little more controlled. and I could pop out of it any time that. I wanted to but that was like four four. I mean it would take me like five. minutes to get into it um and then um. within 5 minutes I mean I had music. playing inside of my head in like these. crazy like DMT stories happening in. different worlds that I was seeing and.

like palaces and in like other areas. with like scary weird clowns and stuff. like that I was I mean I was it was the. best trip of my life and it was like. full on hallucinations cuz I did float. tanks a couple times just sober and I. never really saw anything I didn't like. hallucinate or anything it was just kind. of like meditation on steroids I felt. like it is that definitely like. meditation on steroids but flow tanks. are something where. the more comfortable you get with the. more the experience the easier you slip. into it so the E the quicker you slip.

into it into like when I go into it I've. done it so many times now cuz it's in my. house that I lay down and my body goes. up here we go again good time good times. just relax yeah like I've done it like. it's not like oh my God I can't believe. I'm floating like those states of mind. that you get to when you're in that I. don't I can't believe I'm floating thing. it takes you a while to relax you're. floating around you're bumping against a. wall you're trying to Center yourself. the think that state though combined. with the mushrooms is like got to be an. accelerant yeah so you've done that.

mushrooms and tank and and did it bring. on hallucinations for you as well I had. the strongest hallucinations honestly is. from too much Edibles I've had too much. Edibles where I went into the tank where. I just got like oh my God I'm G to die. get in there now and you get in there. and I just have had full blown I had. this one insane intense experience where. I felt like I would was in a jungle like. I was in a jungle and I was walking. through the jungle with these people and. they were all speaking a language and I.

understood the language and in my mind I. was thinking in their language and then. I realized it I went oh my God I'm. thinking in this other L and then I'm. out of it it went away but for the brief. few moments where it happened I mean I. could remember feeling the the dew on. the ground and feeling the leaves under. my feet and walking through the jungle. with these people there's a lot of folks. that believe that the reason why we have. instincts the reason why you know like.

an animal comes out of its mother's bre. U body immediately goes to the breast. and instinctively starts sucking that. there's certain data that's just encoded. in our body and what it comes from is. the experiences of all the different. beings that existed before us that bred. and eventually became us that this is. just Mass database of experiences of all. your ancestors and they're all sort of. col collected together so the idea is. that occasionally you can tap into some. distant memory that's locked in like oh.

look what I found it's our high school. yearbook this is crazy and you open up. what's essentially your DNA's High. School yearbook from some you know. [ __ ] subsaharan experience when you. were half a monkey person a million. years memory stored in DNA or something. like that I so that's I mean my my. scientific mind would just say that you. know jeans that are set up to have this. inclination to uh suck on your mother's.

tits end up being um passed on easier. and and uh whatnot but I have I've had. fullon I I remember specifically I had a. mushroom trip like 10 years ago where I. must have taken a ton what happened was. I was blackout drunk I took mushrooms I. don't remember any of it and then I must. have passed out and I just woke up. uh trip I didn't know it took me like a. couple minutes to realize what was going. on I was like Am I Dreaming did I go. crazy what H I was like oh I had.

mushrooms in the fridge I bet I gobbled. those things and then I closed my eyes. and I saw I saw like inside my brain was. kind of like a um the opening scene of. Fight Club with like electricity. shooting around different neurons blah. blah blah and then it zoomed in and then. I saw like an individual neuron and then. it zoomed in and then I saw like a strip. of DNA and then it zoomed in and then I. saw like this little section of DNA and. then I and then it just exploded and I.

saw all of life like going all the way. back to so so I saw like all these. different battles and stuff and and um. like my ancestors and then it went all. the way back to like being monkeys and. all that it went back to like this first. little plant seed like springing uh. spring sprouting and uh and then it was. over and that's not I mean it wasn't it. wasn't an accurate representation of the. history of evolution but it's still.

insane that my brain was able to do that. isn't that creativity though I mean. isn't that your your brain on mushrooms. absorbing information that you already. know yeah or sort of manipulating it and. I think so I think it would be hard to. have a mechanism where memories are. stored in the this is the problem with. that there's been studies done that show. that they exist and here's what they did. they took these rats or mice and um they. put a citrus spray in the air and then. they electrocuted their feet so every. time they sprayed the Citrus smell they. gave them a charge on their feet and.

they they hurt them their children who. never experienced any of this their DNA. from these mice created these children. the children they would spray the Citrus. spray in the air and they would. automatically have this uh Terror. response like they would freak out they. have accelerated Panic level measurable. so they realized and they and they. weren't pregnant when they did this or. anything huh nope nope they they they. had a significant amount of time between. the actual experiences and uh when.

they're pregnant and you know rats and. mice and [ __ ] they're they're not. pregnant for very long like I think a. rat is pregnant for like 16 days or. something like that and then they they. give birth it's something crazy like. that I think that's what a hamster maybe. I'm maybe I'm confusing hamster but a. hamster is pregnant for like 16 days and. shits out of litter and then 16 days. later and get pregnant again they could. just so well one days 21 days for a rat. okay so um so it's real quick so they. did these studies uh they they tortured.

these little meces zap their feet with. that Citrus spray in the air and then. there's a clear indication that that. memory of that smell being attached to. Danger was transmitted to their children. hm that's incredible yeah so this is why. I think well it only makes sense I don't. know why people would be incredulous. about it because how else do we get all. these instincts I mean why would we. assume that memories are not somehow or. another stored in the very genetic like. memor is in my brain it's in my hard.

drive I take it out I move it around no. your memory somehow or another is in. your Consciousness we don't exactly know. where we know when areas of the brain. get injured it affects memory we know. but that could very well be that the. areas of the brain are involved in. processing memory not necessarily. storing memory we don't know really. realistically that there's only one like. there certain things like DMT is. produced not just in the brain but it's. also produced in the liver and in the. lungs they know this for a fact so it's.

one of those things where maybe other. things are stored in other parts of the. body we we just assume that the very. body itself doesn't have some sort of. memory but you know when you talk to. people that have uh limbs that have been. removed they have Phantom itches and. things along those lines you know that's. one explanation for that phenomenon is. that you have a memory your your actual. tissue has a memory of that. limb h i um well there's also a body map. in in the brain and um yeah maybe that's.

not just a best good example but the. mice example is probably the best one. well it does make me think of how um how. information from our environment can um. can affect uh the fetal environment like. females um females in lower income um. places or or in lower parts of the the. social kind of hierarchy um in humans. will tend to have and there's all these. different species that have where the.

species can kind of pick depending on. the environment whether it's going to be. a male or female so lower status females. tend to have daughters more and and like. the kings that are higher status tend to. have more Sons because Sons Sons if. they're doing very well have the. opportunity to mate a bunch and spread. their genes on quite a bit bit more um. but a female even if it's like a lower. status female or low income or whatever. a female can always have like at least a.

couple children whereas a lot of men get. kind of our evolutionary dead ends you. know if if a dude's brought up poor he's. going to have a harder time finding a. mate basically so so it does seem like. there's some environmental influence. that is somehow recognized in the brain. that is then kind of selecting a little. bit um better than chance whether you're. going to have like a male or female so. there might be other mechanisms in there. like that that can affect I just yeah I. can't conceptualize how how it would.

work but that's I have I've read other. studies like that and I don't know. enough about them haven't read enough. about why can't you conceptualize why uh. of there would be a strong connection. between that smell which was always. followed by an electrocution that. somehow be stored in the DNA of the. animal which would be a smart thing to. pass onto the children oh it would be. yeah yeah yeah Rupert sheldrick had an. example about were he was talking about. uh children in inner cities they're not. afraid of car accidents or murder or uh.

bank robbers or real real threats. they're worried about monsters even. though they don't ever see monsters. they're worried about monsters in the. closet and he correlated it to an. ancient fear of. cats like Jaguars and leopards and lions. and things that killed people forever. and that at night these things with big. teeth that hide in the dark and wait to. get you the monsters which you know. there's a there's a video of uh this guy. where a lion or um tiger rather charges.

them full clip charges them and it is as. terrifying as any horror movie you'll. ever see in your life the thing veers. off like about 30 or 40 yards away from. him and decides not to run at him but. it's running at him full clip with this. insane speed that I kind of knew the. Tigers could run that fast but until you. see it go oh my God like they're so fast. it's it's it's just this Furious snar.

and just unbelievable Pace as it moves. towards them and it's a monster you know. and if you saw that if that killed one. of your friends and you had children. that would be passed on to their kids. they like be scared of monsters yeah um. I well sometimes when people take iasa. they report seeing like these snakes or. or worms as well um Jaguars too but um. but I think that there's a physiological. reaction where your body's being.

thinking that it's been poisoned which. it kind of has been in a little bit of a. way and I think that maybe in the. non-conscious there's there's this uh. projection of because um in your. ancestrial past if you're poisoned is. probably because of a snake or some. parasite or bacteria or something like. that so maybe maybe that. because that is like you say maybe. stored in the DNA or in the memory. somehow even if you've never ran into a.

snake perhaps you would hallucinate one. if your body thinks that you're you've. been poisoned being like what happened. here and and kind of running through a. simulation of what must have happened. that certainly could be possible I mean. there's a lot of variables I don't think. it's a there's there's any one clear way. at this time to figure out what the. hell's going on or you know like people. that interpret dreams you know oh what. that means is but you don't know what. the [ __ ] that means I had a dream that I. was running from Godzilla on a. skateboard with my cousin who I haven't. seen in 20 years you think that's you.

can interpret that no that's you know oh. well you're you're troubled by your past. yeah you and your cousin have this. tension and the last time you saw them. you you saw lizard and maybe or maybe. the human imagination is just. bizarre very very very strange and. Incredibly powerful I mean the the idea. that we can dream and I can have a dream. where where I'm making up all of these. people or people that I know and doing. perfect impressions of them in maybe.

different languages that you don't. normally know and you do it all without. even realizing you're doing it you think. it's happening to you you don't even. realize you're making up the storyline. and writing the script and putting. together the actors and you're doing it. in your sleep like you wake up well. rested if you sit and like read a book. you'll get tired you know you'll you'll. get fatigued using your brain like that. but your brain can do all of that in. your sleep and you wake up like well.

rested like it took it took no energy at. all for the brain to do that well it's. got to be drugs right I mean it's got to. have something to do with DMT they don't. know for sure but they do believe that. when you're in heavy REM sleep your. brain's producing all this DMT now that. they know now the Cottonwood Research. Foundation has done those studies on. rats where they've proven that live rats. are producing dimethyl tryptamine and. their pineal gland they know that this. is actually the source of it right this. is like the first time before it was all. just anecdotal evidence now that they. know that it's totally possible that.

once testing measures get better and. they can figure out how to detect things. at a more accurate rate they are. eventually going to do studies on people. that are asleep and they're going to be. able to measure your DMT levels and. where it's coming from and when it. spikes and if they can somehow or. another you know they're starting to be. able to do things now where they can. show you images and you can receive. those images in your visual cortex mhm. yeah that I I have to think that.

eventually they're going to be able to. interpret. whatever kind of dream data is going on. in your head at least in some sort of. crude form DVR your dreams kind of which. will eventually get better and if we. live a thousand years from now I mean. who knows what are you showing me here. Jamie I was looking something up that I. remember someone came in here talking to. us about this is called dreams sphere. it's an app that people are supposed to. download and type in what like the. dreams they just had and the app is. getting what it's called like big data. it's getting all the information on what.

metrics people are dreaming about colors. oh yeah and they shows you the people. around you who are dreaming like you. yeah and this is this is like 2 million. people have downloaded this and you can. find out what other people are dreaming. about kind of like based on a map and I. think the person that was in here that. was talking about said that they're. finding out people are dreaming about. the same things at the same times all. over the world or something like that I. don't who said that I don't remember cuz. he said it wasn't official data it was. was that Rick Goblin I don't I can't. remember exactly H imagine if it's. everybody dreaming about having sex with.

Hillary we realized like whoa it's an. epidemic then we realized she put it out. there it's from Chemtrails she's. spraying it in the sky it's interesting. that they have the. um people people that can't talk or. whatever um ALS or you like stepen. Hawking basically you can show you can. now show them can give them MRIs show. them pictures of of certain words um. that are useful like bathroom or.

whatever it might be and then it can. determine what part of the brain is. lighting up when they are thinking of a. bathroom and then on the and then you. can hook them up and you and they can. just concentrate on the word bathroom. and then it will know that they're. saying bathroom and um and so so this is. Stephen Hawkings just like hates using. new technology and [ __ ] so I'm I'm don't. know why yeah he hates it hates Tech. that's why his voice is still like.

[ __ ] shittier than my GPS he likes. old computers yeah yeah he just doesn't. like learning new new technology stuff. even though that's like what gets him. around and talks for him and everything. he's like ah who needs that new [ __ ] wow. um but uh but yeah so once we can map. the brain and figure out but I mean yeah. I that's the dream to DVR like dreams or. de DMT trip or something like that and. then slow it down because it's a DMT. trip there's just a billion things.

happening all at once and it's. impossible to articulate I don't think. you're ever going to be able to slow it. down because I think we look at it in. terms of what we would see in normal. reality like like if you had a scene. that you could like say when you know uh. you were 15 you hit a home run in a. little league game and you remember it. so clearly because you was the you were. the hero you came back everybody carried. you on your shoulders if you could go. back and replay that over and over again. if you had a recording of it in your. mind and you go back and see it in real. time and replay it it would all make. sense you'd see the grass moving in the.

breeze you would see the clouds floating. gently overhead you'd see the players in. the field you'd see people talking and. laughing in the stands it would all like. make sense because it's all references. and and things that exist in this. dimension in this plane the problem with. DMT is if you took even one one 100th of. the images that you're seeing just a. little corner of it and just looked at. it and and tried to examine what the. [ __ ] it is it's a constantly changing. geometric pattern that's somehow intell.

FR like to so to zoom in and and it has. some things have an effect on it like. have you ever done DMT to uh EOS those. uh South American songs that they can. play um no I I do um although I did I. think he was the shaman was doing them. on my couple of iasa um ceremonies that. I did singing and but iasa didn't really. take for me it was a bit of a. disappointment oh did you go to a bad. place no I just didn't have enough um. was it strong enough yeah Comm I was.

like I do lots of DMT I'm ready I just. want to like [ __ ] get there let's go. for it and then it wasn't enough it was. it was like a good mushroom trip um so. it was good but it wasn't yeah it was. was enjoyable other than like sitting in. a room listen to other people throw up. like I I just don't have the stomach for. that and it was also like I don't know. it it. was my [ __ ] detector was just kind. of going off a lot there was just a lot.

of people dressed in like white MooMoo. things and it was just like lot of WS. yeah there's a girl had a magic wand and. I was like come on she was so hot too I. was like you're just so hot no one's. ever called your [ __ ] no no no. course not You' be banging her right now. you wouldn't even be on this podcast. just totally what up like a dude never. be able to [ __ ] carry around a magic. wand without some lady being like what's. up with that you could Kanye West could. have a line of magic wands yeah Yeezys.

Yeezy wands Yee I feel like you could. pull it off Drake do it it was the whole. I was trying to be as open-minded as. possible but it was also. like the shaman going around and like. blowing smoke on the crown of my head. was like a bit much for me I was like. all right this guy's going to blow in my. hair now all right I gu I can do this. you wen't high enough yeah if you were. super high you'd be like oh my God I'm. connecting with him through the smoke. and then I didn't like that you had to. like go and like kneel in front of them.

to do the thing it was just like so. churchy wait wait wait wait you had to. kneel in front of him yeah you had to. like go and like sit down in front like. does he kneel too or does he stand up. and he's sitting like pouring the it his. dick was out actually come to think of. it was. tripping but um yeah I mean if I if I. was doing iasa or if I was giving. someone iasa I would be bowing to them. for being brave enough to try it yeah. how weird that he made you kneel in. front. of me the wrong way it should I don't.

think I've heard that before but I have. heard of like skey ceremony guys this. guy wasn't skey at all he was super cool. and really bright and everything I just. thought I thought some of it was a. little silly sorry I interrupted you no. it's okay no it's there's a lot of that. to these things like it's what you're. experiencing is so beyond the reality. that we all know that all the other. silly [ __ ] almost seems okay yeah yeah. you know mother Gaia we open ourselves.

to you please take me down the path of. wisdom and Enlightenment I open myself. to you I come here with acknowledgement. of my past troubles and and and and. thankfulness you know this [ __ ] that. people say like look man you know what. here's I actually you know they say to. set an intention and everything I set an. intention I was like I want to. understand why I have some selfish steam. issues and why I don't have more. confidence and and I you know I was like. I'm going to play along I'm going to be. as open-minded as possible and I will.

say during that iasa trip I was the most. confident I've ever felt in my entire. life like it was just a feeling like I. could do anything unfortunately it was. all geared toward like wow this is a. bunch of [ __ ] like I was I was. pretty confident that it was I was like. can I just go outside and like trip by. myself cuz I feel great I'm just in a. room of people like puking and farting. everywhere and like I just can't it's. not for me missing yeah and bowing magic. ones and um and I also I have I have a.

couple thing I I think some people are. misrepresenting what's happening I think. that I think that when you're um as as. someone who's almost died like probably. 20 times in my life I've had like a. near-death experience and like breaking. my feet kind of triggered the same sort. of response and your life kind of. flashes before your eyes and goes kind. of back in time a little bit really. that's underselling what the brain does. cuz it also projects all these options.

going forward of like do I call an. ambulance right now do I yeah am I going. to be able to make it what's my life. going to be like now and and then um so. I think that one when your life flashes. before your eyes it's not like some hey. let's just have a quick fond nostalgic. run through what our life was and visit. some old memories this is your brain. going like do we have anything for this. situation do we have have we seen a TV. show that will get us out of this do we. do we remember first aid class and it's.

going back and back and back and I'm. wondering if it's going back far enough. to what the fetal environment was like I. wonder if we do have memories somewhere. stored in it and because the fetal. environment could have easily been all. of these weird structures and cities and. fractal like like it like it doesn't. seem that odd to me that that's what the. environment before you came out of the. womb. could look like and if it's taking you. back do you mean before you came out of. the wom you mean like what you. experiencing while you're in your.

mother's womb like with your eyes closed. in the darkness the first little bits of. Consciousness so you think the first. little bits of Consciousness might be. tripping yeah like uh like these kind of. fractal-like structures I think fractals. are I mean fractals you're able to put a. finite you're able to fit Infinity into. a finite space somehow it's the weird um. uh counterintuitive thing about fractals. but if you were if if you made packets. of information that were fractal like.

that would be a great way to transport. information or like transport ideas I. think and so I think that could be the. very origins of Consciousness and then. when we came out we were seeing this but. it was all like a blob you didn't see. like walls or pictures or like you. didn't understand sound it was just a. blob of information coming at you that. you later had to be taught decipher and. and but I think the origins of it could. have been like um these like I've seen. like a lot of holographic cities and.

that kind of look like computer chips a. little bit and that sort of thing and it. wouldn't surprise me if that's what the. first little like say you get this. machine where you can record dreams if. we can record then what's happening when. you're fetus it when surprise me if it. was something like this and I think that. I think that um iasa and Mt have a way. of triggering uh near-death experience. whether you're consciously aware of it. or not and it's like what the [ __ ] is.

happening right now just like when you. well I I don't know why do you think it. triggers near-death experiences like or. it tricks your brain into thinking maybe. you're dying really like I've never had. that experience on DMT never had the. experience where it felt it made me feel. like maybe I was dying it it had made me. feel like maybe I went somewhere where I. wasn't supposed to be yeah like oh my. God you [ __ ] up now you went to a. place where you're not even supposed to. see this yet I haven't necessarily felt. it that much myself either other than I. felt like I you know I've forgotten that.

I'm a human that smoked DMT I'm just. like a different thing entirely but. unpack this a little bit though for. people that are like these [ __ ]. hippies what are they yapping about. there the brain does produce endogenous. psychedelic chemicals it produces five. methoxy DMT produces n n dimethy. tryptamine two super potent psychedelic. drugs the brain produces and we don't. understand why it's possible that if the. adult human brain produces it that a. baby's brain produces it as well right. so if it's in that womb state which is. in a lot of ways sort of like a sensory.

deprivation tank but with of course the. feeling and the cortisol effect of the. mother and the oxytocin and all the all. the different hormones and responding. directly to the stress of the mother. there's a lot going on with the the body. inside the body right but we should. assume that those brains are. experiencing what we know to be possible. in the mind which is psychedelic. chemicals and I've seen I've seen actual. dreams on DMT trips like you know a.

regular dream like you're used to having. which is unusual because that's nothing. what the normal DMT world so you mean. while you're taking DMT or while you're. dreaming cuz i' I've had dreams where. you go into the DMT world I I I've. experienced both um but I've had I've. smoked DMT and then I'd see like a a guy. like walking down a hall holding a box. and then I'd look at him and he'd look. at me and be like uhoh and then start. like uh twitching like like there was a. glitch in the metric he's like uhoh uhoh.

like making fun of me wow and then and. then he just reach back and grab the. wall and pull it and it would be like. this Veil that then it became the whole. world and started like the DMT space. that you're more familiar with if you. could sell that in a virtual reality. environment like like here's the game. you wake up you're in a classroom you. you like you lift your head up like oh I. must have fallen asleep in class and. everybody left me here you go out in the. hallway and there's a guy walking down. the hallway and he's carrying a box of. books and you go excuse me excuse me and.

you go up to him and you grab his. shoulder and he turns and looks at me. and goes. uhoh that would be the [ __ ] yeah that's. inevitable though they're going to be. able to figure out a way to uh create a. virtual it's one of the things that. actually McKenna believed that they were. going to be able to figure out how to. create a virtual DMT World which would. give people the DMT experience without. actually taking DMT M that your brain. would somehow or another synchronize. with this virtual world and you would. have a fullblown DMT trip with and this. is he thought this up I'm sure he was.

tripping but he thought this up in like. I believe the 90s or maybe the it might. even been the 80s that he was talking. about this is when virtual reality was. still like people had predicted it's you. know that virtual reality was going to. blow up and going to be huge but it took. a long time until recently where the. technology caught up to the concept c. yeah yeah like they finally are starting. to get that hoverboard working Lexus one. is that the one you mean the the one. with the air the the same guy that made.

the the pack that goes in water and then. shoots the air he made he made a board. that you stand on that uses fans and he. hovers like 30 40 feet above the ground. have you seen that video no oh yeah I. thought you were talking about the Lex. hoverboard which uses magnets somehow. it's got like some super cooled magnets. with like liquid nitrogen or something. like that I believe and the Lexus one is. really cool because seen that well I.

it's it's sort of a proof of concept and. what they're doing right now is they're. using it and the guy stands on it like a. skateboard and he he sort of slides. around on things and it's only a couple. inches off the ground but it's clearly. floating like look at here no this isn't. one this is the other one this is. another one called the Arca board oh so. this one's off fans this isn't the one I. was it might not be real this looks fake. as [ __ ] this looks like a sitcom actor. um whoa Is that real.

so. um I could run faster than that I'm not. impressed find the Lexus one whoa that. is pretty dope though so is this. real I don't believe that guy oh wow. bunch of fans okay if you if you just. put flyboard air test one try the go to. the Lexus thing first I want to I want. to show you this Lexus thing cuz I know. you haven't seen this this is uh I think. the Lexus one's on magnets and and stuff. yeah it's super cooled magnets with some.

sort of liquid nitrogen look at that see. how it's so all that air that's coming. out of the bottom that's the liquid. nitrogen so I think Lexus IS assuming. that this technology sort of like Back. to the Future [ __ ] that this technology. is eventually how we're going to get. around with cars and one of the. interesting things about that if they. really do figure out how to do this if. we get around in cars that are not. connected to the ground with wheels even. though there will be momentum as we. collide with each other if we [ __ ] up it. won't have nearly the same kind of.

impact because you you won't have the. friction of the row that that makes the. vehicle absorb the energy of the other. vehicle you're going to it'll absorb it. a little bit and then bounce you back. yeah and then well with having. eventually our power lines will be. superconductors too so it's they're. they're cooled down enough so you're not. losing all that you're you're losing. something like a quarter of the energ is. just lost in the wires in transit right. um so I had did you find the Fly Board. yeah um okay flyboard air test holy [ __ ].

this guy's flying yeah okay this is way. cooler than that other piece of [ __ ]. yeah just quit this is nuts how long can. this guy stay on this thing for I think. like 5 or 10 minutes or something like. that and watch him stick this Landing. too it's incredible how much control he. has over it this is amazing amazing now. is this available for public consumption. um I think this is I think it will be. are you a representative of this company. has this been Ploy I hope to be the I.

will happily represent the hoverboard. company I want uh I want to be. associated with them look at the crazy. wind that's coming from it in that other. frame you could see like when there's a. dark background you could see the force. of the uh air below it back up a little. bit Jamie so you can see the force of. the air below that thing see if you can. uh yeah look at that see that Force like. back up a little bit so you can see it. look as he's flying how much air that. thing must be pumping look at that. that's. crazy and it's [ __ ] up the water.

underneath it as he's swimming around or. he's flying around rather that's. incredible man oh yeah watch The Landing. here look at how accurate this. is wow look at that that's like a 5x5. space that he just landed dead center. and he landed right next to two guys. that were so confident they just stood. there while he's flying around. on what looks like it's like a like a. box yeah it doesn't even look like a. skateboard it looks like a circular like.

a small trampoline it's so small yeah um. [ __ ] amazing mission one coming soon. flyboard um what is the date on this. video Jamie it's like a year ago. maybe April of this year oh it's just a. matter of time before someone has one of. those and they're flying right in front. of your window jerking off on your house. it's 100% % going to happen right. someone's going to be the first guy and. then they're like they're shooting down. drones someone's going to shoot one of. those guys someone's going to go to. Britney Spear's house and whack off on a.

roof and they're going to get arrested. and it'll be like the new thing like. planking was a thing for a while jerking. off jerks famous people's houses would. be a new thing yeah we're going to not. be able to control the skies it's sort. of like the ocean I think the ocean is. fascinating for friends who uh I have. friends that have uh boats you know like. guys like to go fishing and I've I I. never had a boat but one of the things. that I've always thought was incredible. is like if you live like say Marina del. re or something like that and you have a.

boat and you hop out in your boat you. just go out into another world you're. you're [ __ ] space traveler on a boat. and you're roaming around this enormous. swath of ocean and you're free to go. left and right and up and down and. there's no roads and there's no. restrictions you can do whatever you. want so I can't believe like people are. so I I mean I think space travels. exciting and everything but everyone's. like what if we found aliens it's like. there's aliens they're in the ocean and. and it's cheap to get to them just go.

every time we go down deeper we discover. all these new worlds down there and well. they're constantly finding crazy new. life forms I wonder if like what what. the number or the percentage of. documented life forms in the ocean are. cuz they're always finding new Freaky. variations did you ever see that um. squid that they found that has crab legs. no yeah it's crazy crazy man it's a. giant squid that they found in Mexico. and it was a camera that was attached to. one of those oil rigs so there were.

essentially just checking the oil rig. and there was this thing that was. floating right next to the oil wig this. really freaky looking alien squid that. has like crab legs like really bizarre. like obvious bends to the legs like. check this out look at this look at that. [ __ ] thing. man like look how long its tentacles are. it's enormous this is 2007 what is the. name of this video Jamie so people. could alien like squid filmed at oil.

drilling site is this one I pick but. that's exactly what I would call it. video courtesy of the Shell Oil Company. shell doing a good job at finding aliens. in the ocean there's like that blue. planet or something one of those BBC. documentaries like planet Earth but just. ocean stuff and you watch it and it's. like you could show people and they and. they would think that you're watching. like a CGI madeup thing like about. aliens like have you ever seen anything. like this before um like back it up so.

you can see that that image again with. the articulating bent arms like what the. [ __ ] is that man just look at that if. you if you saw that thing floating in. space right if they were on their way. Moon swim well if they were on their way. to the moon and they saw that thing. floating in space they would go. holy [ __ ] there's an alien in space. that's watching over the planet we found. out that they're very intelligent they. can solve puzzles we would we would. think that is the most incredible. Discovery ever but we see this thing in. the ocean like oh it's just here yeah.

yeah it depends on where you put things. right like if you put anything is more. interesting if you put it in space there. was an orange we found an orange on the. moon oh my God and there's like that. like I was talking about how your brain. perceives things as metaphors everything. that's like getting high is good or. you're you're feeling like up or. rather than down as bad you know and. hell's under the Earth and Heavens up in. the clouds and stuff there's something I. don't know if it's just this natural.

like our inherent Fight Against Gravity. that that makes us think like that's. what you want to obtain to lift off to. be up there you know well don't you. think hell is definitely because of. volcanoes I mean yeah it only makes. sense well yeah makes sense I mean have. you ever been near a volcano before um. no the big island has aome tours you. could hop in a helicopter you could fly. over the big island of Hawaii and you. could actually watch the island grow. because the island grows something like.

a foot a day or something like that like. you can literally see the lava come out. of the out of the chotes and go into the. ocean and create new land that's awesome. [ __ ] awesome and you're flying over. this helicopter the helicopter uh rather. you're flying over this volcano and you. look down into lava you see the the very. center of the Earth oozing out of its. zit out of this weird surface which has. created the entire Hawaiian island chain. by the way the entire Hawaiian island. chain is just volcanoes it's all it is.

volcanoes in the middle of the ocean. that erupted millions of years ago and. poked their way through the top and. there's constantly growing and changing. reality is far more interesting than. what humans were able to make up in. their wildest fantasies of trying to. explain what was happening well once we. get a grip on reality or we get a good. account of reality then you can get. pretty creative with your imagination. but but the yeah the this the actual. reality of space is insane the idea that.

there's hundreds of billions of galaxies. out there and that each one of them has. you know infinite possibilities about. what kind of planets are on there how. far they are from their Stars how many. stars are in the solar system what else. is out there in terms of Life what are. the possibilities of things surviving. out there they think it's possible that. some living things could maybe even. survive in space detached from a planet. right I mean even the reality of. evolution like right I mean when you. when you get far enough into it and you.

look at all these different examples. it's the reality of evolution is. actually crazier than like there was a. God and he had a son named Jesus like it. is it is it's also more accurate um but. I I remember I used to be like how could. anyone believe you know I was very angry. I was raised strictly Catholic so I had. some bitterness about all of that and um. but then once I started learning more. about Evolution and it's just like oh. this is I didn't know half of this stuff.

it's no wonder these people you know no. one's been given the opportunity to. learn it you know when you're brought up. in a small town and that's just your. upbringing whatever yeah I mean man just. stop and think about the Big Bang if you. want to mind [ __ ] yourself think about. the idea these scientists are proposing. that the universe itself everything that. you say was smaller than the head of a. pen and had infinite mass and somehow or. another it exploded and created.

everything we've seen in the Stars today. that what are you sure like and there's. that's under debate I mean there's other. proposals there's other uh scientific uh. ideas that have been banded about. parallel universes uh brains membranes. colliding you know that there's. different universes and dimensions that. are like just slightly separated from. each other and and they Collide the the. endless process of expansion and. contraction and that that's what happens. that the entire universe expands. infinitely and then pulls back into an.

infinitely small spot and then like you. know every x amount of billion years. just repeats the cycle yeah and I mean I. think that our I think that our brains. are endlessly fascinating too just that. I mean humans like to give themselves a. lot of credit but I think that we have. like like kind of like the movie Inside. Out I think we have vast universes. inside of our head that seem all. expansive and because I I think that um. dreams and hallucinating are coming from.

with. inside from inside the mind I don't. believe that you're connecting with. different dimensions and stuff like that. but it certainly looks like it which. means you have if I'm right uh which who. knows then it means that you have this. whole like Multiverse set up just for. running all these different tasks just. for like walking around and making. decisions there's entire universes. inside of your head which is totally. possible but I don't I don't have a. position I don't have a position on. whether or not it's in my mind or. whether or not it's real and I think.

it's entirely possible that we need need. to consider the possibility that. everything that's in your mind. everything that's imaginary is actually. real meaning that the imagination is. responsible for every single thing any. human has ever done every car that's. ever been built every podcast that's. ever been made every television that's. ever been designed all of that is Comm. out of the imagination like the. imagination is this strange Force inside. of human you know quote unquote. Consciousness that living physical or.

not living but solid physical things. come from like literally it's the seed. of these solid physical things so when. we say that you know we're imagining or. hallucinating that we're experiencing. some Divine entity that comes to Us From. Another Dimension explains the universe. and the nature of reality it's entirely. possible that that is a hallucination. meaning that physical thing you can't. kidnap it you can't throw a net on it. and bring it back from you know the. Wormhole and and plop it down in front.

of the police department say look I. found it a proof of another dimension I. brought something back right but if you. went to visit with God say if if if you. if someone proved that there is a heaven. and that God is real and you can have a. brief visit with God and you go to God. and you you talk to him and in 15. minutes explains the nature of the. universe and love and the concept of. positive energy and all these different. things please take this back with you. please take this back with you and do. what you can to make the world a better. place well if you have a trip or if you.

actually go to meet God and or if you. have a trip where you imagine you meet. God the experience is exactly the same. yeah like we I don't think we know. what's real and what's not real I think. we're super cocky and we're real nervous. like one of the reasons why we get. paranoid when we smoke pot is because we. start becoming aware of variables that. we might have suppressed or chosen to. ignore and then we're confronted with. them and all of our insecurities and. like a Cascade tie wave sort of a. situation where you can't handle all the. data that you've been putting aside like.

oh [ __ ] yeah I smoke weed and I'm like. oh my [ __ ] to-do list I think about. bills I didn't pay when I was 18 yeah. like what did I do I'm going to do. there's weird things that happened to. the the mind and I don't know how much. of what we call the. imagination how we we try to think of it. as like oh it's just imagining things. man I don't know I don't I don't I I. think it's entirely possible that we're. really hung up on this word real like. what's real and what's not real I think.

we're real hung up on that real we're. real hung up on our day-to-day lives has. dependent on imagination we've all. imagined democracy or these laws came. were a human invention that came from. imagination that we imagine is real even. even every corporation isn't an actual. thing it's an idea that we just imagine. and we take it for granted you you don't. have to go like you don't have to go. like do I believe in 7-Eleven or like. you take it for granted that 7-Eleven is. just an idea it's so it's it's uh a.

judge could close down 7-Eleven with one. of his ideas at any moment and then it. would no longer exist but the buildings. are still there but you know 7-Eleven is. not the building it's not the employees. it's it's just an idea an idea. implemented in the physical form you can. experience right you can go and touch it. you can walk in the door you can smell. it but I just don't know if that makes. it real and then everything that happens. to you in your dream is not real I don't.

know I don't I don't know what what real. is in terms of like what if you want to. be successful in this world if you want. to be successful in this material world. you have to consider the fact that laws. are real you can't drive 1,000 miles an. hour in a 20 M Zone you can't punch. babies there's a lot of real. consequences for real actions because. this world has rules right right but it. doesn't mean that the trips that you. have these intense Transcendent. psychedelic experiences are. hallucinations it doesn't mean that.

they're not real it means we might be. entirely hung up on containing our. Consciousness and our thinking and our. awareness to what we can touch and and. bang on and pick up and measure and look. I put it on a scale I know it's real and. these physical laws that we've applied. to like this reality what we call. reality I don't necessarily know if that. I think that it's entirely possible to. me that that might be a limiting factor. on how we perceive the universe around.

us and that it's left over from having. to worry about predators and hunting and. Gathering and we're moving I believe. slowly away from that yeah not even. slowly and I think our ability to alter. reality through virtual reality and even. through our understanding and. application of psychedelic drugs there's. like a there's psychedelic uh technology. as well as Virtual Technology and all of. these things are giving us this this. ability to change the concept of real.

like the realm of possibilities as we. can imagine it stand Dr I mean who's. even to say that punching babies is a. bad thing I mean who who cares I love. babies D you you [ __ ] single guys and. you're baby punching I um but here. here's where I'm I try to be very very. skep itical of my trips because I've. I've like seen God in different. universes and like the whole bit and it. seems like as real as anything I've ever. experienced did my my problem with my.

memory and perception of it is is that. it's just like such a short amount of. time and it's so different and so. exciting that I think the brain I think. that the brain just automatically I. think that's very Salient and the Brain. really attaches to this these new and. novel new information that's very. exciting and and it's a little scary too. your brain remembers scary things a lot. you know triggers a bit of a stress. response and I think that I I like to. say that imagine instead there was. someone who was who was born on on uh it.

was like they just have the brain. chemistry like their brains on LSD all. the time and then one day you know. things are rainbow colored whatever and. that's fine and then one day when. they're they get around just fine and. then one day when they're 30 someone. gives them a pill that brings them to. our reality it would seem just as mind. blowing and just as true like I get it. now there's like these things called. jobs and like these entry level. positions and like these hierarchies and. you can if you show up on time each day.

you can establish yourself in this. hierarchy you know and then and you'd if. you win in on different days it would. seem like a different world like I. thought I had it all figured out but. then I was like this person that was in. a cube typing away and then you think. you have that figured out and then you. hit a casual Friday and you're like it. was weird I thought they all had. uniforms and then they all looked. different you know like th this is this. to me this perception is just as much. the trip as any psychedelic will will.

ever get you on it's just that that's. such a short amount of time this reality. is very bizarre and we we're accustomed. to it yeah I think also this it's it's. entirely possible um that your reality. is different than his reality than my. reality than another person's reality. then what you were talking about before. being how the way you view the world and. how the world seems to you is more. [ __ ] up when you're hurt when you were. when you were injured yep it might. entirely be possible that when you make. good decisions when you decide to take.

care of your body when you decide to eat. healthy when you decide to meditate or. do yoga or practice mindfulness or set. out an intention for your day and say. you know today I'm not going to complain. about anything you know I'm going to. show up on time I'm not going to. complain I'm going be a nice person I'm. and I'm going to try to I'm when when a. negative thought comes into my man my. brain I'm going to it's going to be. mandate I'm going to do my best to push. that out and replace it with a positive. thought when someone chooses to exercise. like that sort of a protocol chooses to.

go forth with like a like a list of. things that they're going to this is how. I'm going to treat life this is how I'm. going to think about life and I'm going. to be fluid while I'm doing it but I'm. not going to allow all these things that. I know to be detrimental aspects of life. I'm not going to allow those in if I can. help it just doing that changes the. world right I mean literally changes. your world yeah and I think it's it's. entirely possible that what you're. talking about when you're saying that. when you're enthusiastic and you're. embracing the Psychedelic experience. that it's possible that your brain.

creates all this new stuff but that. might be the point that might be the. point of all of it when you have the. Psychedelic trips and your brain on. these psychedelic trips interacts with. those songs and the music the EOS I know. you didn't have like the best experience. of it because your the DMT wasn't that. strong in the iasa but I've had um. experiences with the songs where you see. the experience moving to the song well. if a song can alter the way and I know. there's something special about sounds.

and music there's some a special. connection between creative and creative. sounds that people have put together and. concocted and put together in some sort. of a a beautiful song there's a there's. a response that the body has to those. like a you know like if you're on a. treadmill and a great song comes on you. feel like you could run faster yeah yeah. they music contains some sort of. inspiration yeah well there's a there's. an effect right but that effect also has. an effect on the Psychedelic world when. you're tripping those songs have an.

effect yeah my thought is that your mind. and your attitude might not just have an. effect on experiences when you're. running into people it might have an. effect on the Psychedelic dreams it. might have an effect on your future and. it might not just be hippie [ __ ] the. thinking positive and and choosing to. act and and and go go forth in a. positive way is just a just like a good. karma sort of hippie nonsensical way of. uh trying to control the uncontrollable.

which is this random world we live in it. might not be true we just might think. that because it's comforting we might. want to think that there's less control. than there actually. is um I think that uh well that's a lot. um I so one the the way in the way in. which um so I I sometimes at home I'll. have uh I'll have like a Animal Planet. like planet Earth or whatever on on mute. and then I'll be playing music and I'll.

have people over and people think that. it's CU I'm playing the music through. the TV people think that they're like. what is this program what's this I'm. like oh it's just that it's just on mute. with music playing over it but if I. don't tell people that they'll be. watching it and if it's like a happy. go-lucky song they're like like oh man. these animals sure got it good don't. they look at how look at how relaxing. that looks just laid out in the sun and. then if it's like a real intense dark.

song they're like oh my God are they. ever going to make it like it completely. changes their perception of it this is. why we have soundtracks and everything. else and um I actually I actually think. that music altering the. Psychedelic um state or world or. perception or whatever you want to say. um is like I listen to this band spangle. that makes music specifically for DMT I. think that used one of my rants really. yeah there a spangle song that has this.

long rant where me and Jim Brewer we're. we're so barbecued on uh pot lollipops. and this is like the early. 2000s some guy called in and um he uh. asked us a question about something. about DMT and I went on this crazy rant. about DMT. see and they put it in a a song that. that's uh I I wouldn't want to hear that. while I'm tripping I don't like when. there's words in their songs I try to. only listen to music once way too aggro.

and super enthusiastic but I was just. hanging out with my friend and we were. just so high we're we barely should be. talking to people definitely not. answering phone calls see to me that the. fact that a different song and I'll see. like a different story and it's pretty. predictable like I'll play this song. again and I know I'm going to see like. this purple woman dancing around or. whatever um and the the fact that that. influences that perception that world. that you're in is more of an indicator.

to me that it's coming from within your. head and and not like transporting you. to a different dimension or making you. perceive a different dimension because. why why would it influence that. Dimension a better example I smoked DMT. once and I had my uh my dog jumped on my. lap while I on a DMT trip and then it. came into my DMT trip like all colorful. and in codes and stuff and then I saw. like like kind of a bit of a dream state.

of of where I would I saw myself setting. my dog down but I was like sitting in a. different spot I was at the kitchen. table and it's where my my dog would. normally jump on my lap and where I'd. normally be like no and sit down and so. it was like accessing that part of that. brain that has the memory like this is. when we put the dog down and then I I. lifted it off of me and I think there's. all these I see lots of things like that. like these um uh like these exemplars.

like these kind of. prototype objects um that your brain is. using to retrieve like if you if you're. going to throw frisbee I think that. you're accessing like this this ideal. frisbee throw in your mind you can. probably close your eyes and picture it. right now and and I think that that's in. there like these prototypes that we that. our brain draws off of because I I've. seen that on a DMT trip like a. silhouette of like a perfect Frisbee. throw and then the guy's like a hundred.

times doing like the same movement or. whatever. and just things like that make me think. that it's just some neural process and. how how the brain um it how the brain. interprets reality at different levels. you might be right or they might not be. mutually exclusive they might intertwine. it's entirely possible that everything. is connected and that when you are. imagining things in the DMT realm you're. imagining things in another dimension.

and they're happening in that Dimension. because your imagination can create. things in that bizarre um detached from. your body world that you experience. under intense psychedelic States it. might not be mutually exclusive it might. not be oh this is all my. imagination that might be true you like. you might be creating this but that also. might be real in that dimension in that. state as far as real goes you know this. 15minute lifetime that's what you have. you have a 15minute DMT lifetime you're.

there for 15 minutes and it feels most. of the time you got to go deeper. son how many you I usually use a um a. vape pen and a vape pen yeah I have a um. why do you use one of those I because. it's a lot smoother and um and you can. just draw big. hits and it's it's fast it's like a it's. like a oil vaporizer it has like a. little cup in it and you put the DMT in. this little cup and okay so you're not.

talking about like uh like a blue. cigarette pen you're talking about like. a fat one like like you would use for. your vaping your Tomac okay so this not. really a pen right like a more of a vape. pipe um yeah a fat thing it's uh it's. pretty um put in put in gpen and you do. doing like I have a G-Pen I know what it. is yeah yeah it's one of those um you. it's I've I've tried so many different. methods of smoking it and that's just I. think the most potent way and so I had.

an intense one about a week or two ago. and I had um I had about six big rips. but I was already in there and then I. had two more big ones while uh it it was. it was a bit much it's going to be a. little while before I can get back in. there yeah to process for a while I went. for years after one where I didn't want. to go back yeah yeah I I went months. recently it was so it was so heavy that. I reality was uh I the way I described.

it was very slippery for like two weeks. or everything seemed fake like every. driving cars I was constantly worried. about cars flying over from other lanes. and smashing into my windshield like all. this weird paranoid thoughts whereas I. what I logically and objectively feel. feel like it's possible that it was the. ego trying to regain control by like. activating distress and like physical. worry sort of uh intentions like worried.

about strangers worried about random. crime or accidents or things along those. lines you know that it was like my bra. was like Hey the world's a hard [ __ ]. place you know it's like the. conservative right-wing aspect of the. Mind sort of kicks in tenfold yeah yeah. I I've experienced that I've been I've. I've experienced where I'm walking down. the street and then I have to be like. wait is this real or was that real. because it seemed really real but here's. my my take on it is that DMT is is too.

perfect like everything's too perfect in. there and symmetrical like it t it would. take say this word this world that we. know is a simulation it would take far. more computational power to put all. these little flaws in to put like a. spill on the coffee table or whatever it. it was 11 billion years since the big. bang and 4 billion years of Evolution. all to get this [ __ ] little spill on. a coffee table whereas DMT is like these. you can you can make good DMT.

representations just using some fractal. programs and or Alex Gray paintings yeah. and and that's with like we're doing. this with computers that we built and. we're monkeys right but again isn't it. just what we're used to we're used to. this imperfect world so we think the. imperfect world is normal you know maybe. this is the Oddity maybe the Oddity of. the coffee spills is what's really. strange and that what what DMT. represents is the energy that creates. the world itself unharnessed sort of uh. unbridled not unattached to culture.

language physical bodies any anything. that we come to accept as being a normal. thing I think there's a perfect world. simulated within our mind that we're. trying to act out on right but why make. that distinction is the the question and. not that there's anything wrong with. what you're doing versus what I'm doing. but why make a choice that it's in your. mind versus what a lot of people like to. say who the [ __ ] knows yeah yeah no I. say who the [ __ ] knows as well I'm just. trying to be objective scientific.

objective scientific skeptical of my own. perceptions because when I'm in there. I'll I'll come out I'll be like I just. saw God no doubt about it do you feel. like and this is one of the reasons why. I'm getting to this line of questioning. there actually a point to it do you feel. like CU I know that you do a lot of. stuff with science and you're a part of. your presentation your comedy show. involves science. when you're under the scrutiny and this. is a very good thing of of other. scientists and other people that are. going to judge what you're saying and. making sure that you're you know you're. you're correct about your facts do you.

find that you tend to be more skeptical. or tend to lean towards um aam's Razer. more acceptable answers more. scientifically plausible or at least uh. more scientifically acceptable in like. academic circles absolutely um I think. that one my brain just likes working. that way anyway um I was always like a. big fan of math and uh very good at it. and I kind of liked numbers because you. could make sense of of the world and and.

um and I would say that I I was actually. scared to the Psychedelic show that I do. now I was planning on doing it like 5. years from now or something it's just. I've been sitting on it for like a. couple years really and um I was like. well once I'm like a bigger name or. something then maybe I'll have the power. to go out and do this because I I my. podcast I interview scientists each week. and I need to reach out to these people. I'm like oh I don't want them thinking. I'm like some burnout or some lunatic or. something like that so absolutely that.

absolutely um factors in in my. perception of things as does I mean also. none of none of my memories of any of. this stuff are reliable you know be. interesting with your uh with with the. idea you're were talking about before if. you scanned someone's brain and then you. saw you watched the replay of them. hitting a home run or something well. that memory wouldn't necessarily be. accurate in fact there's a good chance. that it wouldn't be and so you could you. could see different people's how.

people's memory looks as opposed to what. was actually captured on on CCTV or. whatever it might be you know well as a. your example the hot and cold thing but. how all the different factors that sort. of are involved and how you feel about. things yeah and and just everyone also. we're very ego driven we tend to think. that we tend to think that we're smarter. and more attractive and more skilled. driver or whatever might everything you.

know that uh do you know the study where. they took the faces and they mared them. um like 10° five times in each way to. make them more or less attractive so you. take your face and then you make it 10%. more symmetrical 20% more symmetrical so. on to like 50% and then you make it less. symmetrical and so you get you have a. real wonky face by the end on the ugly. one and then you mix up all of those. faces and you have uh and and you flash. um all of the pictures all all mixed up.

to a person and give them like a second. to pick it or whatever and and people um. PR people predictably uh will pick the. one that's 10 to 20% more attractive so. it's you think of yourself as like 10 to. 20% like around 15% smarter more attract. Ive more skilled to driving whatever it. might be because that gives you the. confidence which is often beneficial in. life but it's not you're not thinking. 30% more because now you're delusional.

right you well some people do though oh. some oh yeah they tip that scale and and. there's people with little self-esteem. that don't you know there's a lot of. factors yeah there are and also one. person's perception of you like. objective perception might be very. different like you and I might observe. someone and you might come away with a a. take like oh this guy's this and that. and I'd be like hm I thought he was this. or that and then we would discuss it and. then I would figure out well he reminded. you of this [ __ ] you used to know and. he remounted me and my best friend from. high school and this weird uh things and.

again things we bring into how we. approach anything your your brain to. save I mean you can't you just can't sit. and analyze every little aspect every I. could sit in this table and like really. see every single little grain of it if I. wanted to but at some point the brain. has to be like who cares that's not. that's not valuable information yeah you. got to eat unless you're going to sleep. so we jump to a lot of conclusions we.

stereotype we simplify overly simplify. everything and that's one of the reasons. why we chastise people for racism. because we know how easily the. inclination to judge people specifically. on what they look like is and how unfair. it is you know and how reminding. ourselves over and over again that's not. cool it like gives the the whole culture. more of a relaxed feeling. you know humans are so strange man we're. so it's so cool to be a person you know. it's so it's so bizarre when you think. about all the variables and the. possibilities of of human behavior and.

how different cultures accept certain. things and we look different and we live. in different climates and we're such an. odd [ __ ] creature that's just. completely overwhelming this globe yeah. it's existence is a bizarre thing that I. just I I can't get my head around. existence I always I never really liked. it that much but existence yeah I before. you broke your heels or after before uh. when when I was a kid when you were all. cross fitted up you didn't like. existence um no I did. then see yeah you're right you were.

healthy and vibrant you had all this. energy yeah um I mean when I was I was. always like a young angsty like young. man um very bitter about the world a lot. of a lot of very depressed oh yeah I. mean when I'd be when I started comedy. when I I I mean I used to drink like a. lunatic now I drink more like a normal. person but um I would when I was my most. hungover which I'd only get like four. hangovers a year um but when I was as.

sick as I've ever been that's when I'd. get my best writing done as like some. self-defense mechanism or something like. that my brain doesn't operate like that. anymore but well I think when you're in. periods of extreme emotion or energy or. just a transitionary moment in your life. whether it's it's a a breakup or the end. of a job or moving to a new place it. sort of kicks in this this effect this. the newness the novelty of that.

experience sort of kicks in this effect. where you you want to express yourself. you want to sort of reestablish you know. your your point of view on things your. perspective on things a lot of great. stuff comes from that you know a lot of. a lot of great music especially right I. mean Teen Angst and angst it's like. where where's the Nirvana without angst. yeah. right I mean one of the greatest bands. of all time you know rape me my friend. really you know I mean that that is just. pure response to just the the the.

frustrations of the world preaching of. the choir Nirvana was my first love dude. I to this day remember a buddy of mine. playing it for me and uh we it was a. cassette tape and it was we're in Newton. Massachusetts it wasn't even my friend. he was my friend Jimmy's friend we were. over his house he's like you got to hear. this it's called Nirvana and we play and. we were both like what the [ __ ] like. this these guys went deep it smells like. teen spirit you know I hadn't really. listened to any music um at the time. that I discovered Nirvana I discovered.

Nirvana Through Weird Al did a parody of. Smells Like Teen Spirit that I liked and. then I was like that music sounds pretty. cool and then I found the real version. and that was like the first time I found. it I enjoyed music that wasn't a joke my. friend Eddie was in a band back in those. days and he was like he was in metal he. was like a metal band and um he he was. like that song like that band completely. killed metal it completely killed hair. bands like poison and those kind of. bands they just died yeah cuz they seem.

so silly yeah yeah you know like what. you. know Rose Has It. Stone it just seemed like you you it's. you know it's like you had water in your. ear and you got the water out of your. ear and I so you could hear and you hey. man want of stuff your ear up with. cotton man I'm not into that dude I'm. not wearing makeup I'm not putting on. hairspray I'm not teasing my hair up. yeah this is something about the the. real rawness of that music I mean even.

Guns and Roses man remember when Axel. Rose used to tease his hair he's his. hair all sprayed up and [ __ ] up like a. like a 80s girl from Dallas remember. that yeah Nirvana came along and was. like l no more hairspray bro this just. this is not working man yeah I mean. yeah there's so much great comedy that. came out of anger and yeah there is. areas's teased up. here if you go to the Welcome to the. Jungle Welcome to the Jungle uh video is.

the best example of it it's crazy man. the the the different shifts in culture. and what's acceptable and then just. becomes completely ridiculous look at. that look at all that hair it's crazy. but that was what people did back then. that was like a big a big look I. remember he had so many tattoos I was. like oh my God that guy's ruined his. body with all his tattoos what am I ask. I remember thinking that when I was a. kid I still I still have um a natural.

like mid Western aversion to tattoos. that like I think tattoos are like I'm. starting to grow in appreciation for. them but it's like taken me work to to. uh get there and I don't have any myself. it's an embracing in the. night aspect of life this is not going. to last like this idea that you're going. to ruin your body forever your body's. not going to be around forever you know. like what what's it going to look like. when you're 80 do you think anybody.

wants to see your back when you're 80 it. doesn't matter if there's a unicorn on. back looks like [ __ ] have an old crazy. wrinkly back and back and then when that. time comes you're just going to be. concentrating on staying alive I like. the idea of having like little snapshots. from your life even if even if say your. tattoo has nothing to do with anything. it's just a cool design you'll still. remember that period of your life a. little bit more I think looking at that. tattoo you'll remember when you got it. and where you were at that State that's.

what Anthony Bourdain has he has a gang. of tattoos all from different trips you. know like you gets them in different. trips and so it reminds him oh I got. this in Bali this was from Hanoi this is. and having something like that you know. it's like it's it's to him it's like. these anchors for these incredible. experiences that he's had you know who. the [ __ ] has traveled more over the. world and that guy right I think you. look good in a Japanese bodysuit dude. what do you think what's a Japanese. bodysuit they go crazy Yakuza style they. go from the neck down they have uh.

everything all the way your butt all the. way down to your feet I'm not picturing. what you're describing never seen like a. Yakuza Japanese tattoo bodysuit you. never seen these guys it's crazy they do. the whole body son that's you that's. yeah man I'm telling you you're missing. out it's your this your future how old. yeah why not how old are you now 36 it's. not too late start now start now you'll. be done in 10 years by the time you're. 46 you look like this dude that's a good. look that's scary to me you know I I do. I do really like those 3D.

tattoos I think yeah like really good. ones yeah yeah I you just like Google 3D. tattoo images with like the girl's weird. like creepy leg that looks Hollow um. like that that leg there like I think. that looks cool as [ __ ] oh yeah that's. amazing that's one of the best ones I've. ever seen that's incredible really yeah. it's bizarre it's so bizarre she looks. like a wood carving if you haven't seen. it it looks like like she's like a thin. piece of wood we've carved out recesses. in it I think if I was going to get.

something it'd either be something like. that or I I don't know that I'll ever. have a memory that I'll get a tattoo of. look at that brick star Jamie look at. that brick star in the middle on the top. yeah whoa holy [ __ ] yeah that's. incredible yeah like look what he's done. like the outer skin where it looks like. ripped parchment and below it is all of. his uh his ideas what a great [ __ ]. tattoo that's a great. tattoo yeah you know you got to find a. good artist too you got to have someone. you trust to draw on you whoa that guy's.

foot [ __ ] freaking me out man maybe. you should get that. [ __ ] just as a reminder to not jump so. much I still am not like afraid of yeah. I I still love Heights to this day. really yeah I won't jump off [ __ ]. anymore cuz I'd feel silly if I hurt. myself again but I can't get it enough. of them did you see that I put a video. up on Instagram a couple of days ago. that someone sent me oh my God oh my God. James Kingston just posted of him up in. Hollywood that's not as freaky as the.

one that I put it is pretty freaky but. this other one is freaky because it's. like they're most of it is looking down. and jumping down like to their feet on. these little Ledges like look at this. watch this prepare to [ __ ] your pants. watch this watch this guy he drops down. yeah I mean he's hanging over the edge. I'm freaking out just watching this see. that's the kind of stuff that I like I'm. I'm way. into like I I want to do that oh see.

dude my hands are sweating right now I'm. like dude just okay we did it we did it. let's get out of here climb back up yeah. I've done weird [ __ ] like that so even. though you busted your [ __ ] look at. this oh Jesus Christ yeah that's still. that seems that's that's like something. that I could see myself doing God damn. it son I can't watch this you could see. yourself doing that really yeah why. maybe not the jumping I don't know I. just have always had like I've always. been a bit of an adrenaline junkie I.

just tend to I like pushing it a little. too far it's it gets me in trouble. sometimes well I guess it did that one. time uh many times in my life yeah more. what other times I've been in I've like. had to go to jail and stuff like that. you have to go to jail for just for like. I I've had uh just drinking mostly like. uh way way way back before I was a. comedian or anything I had a couple. drunk driving tickets and I've run from. cops like a hundred times in my life. they they caught me once yeah no no no.

like on on a car twice actually twice. yeah um the first time I got away the. second time I didn't Jesus Christ dude. you're a [ __ ] criminal yeah yeah um. Shane M. criminal I just had like this very. sheltered wholesome upbringing that like. [ __ ] with my head because it just. wasn't like I just knew it wasn't. reality and I like just tried to do. everything that I could to like rebel. against it what kind of car were you. driving when you running away from the. cops um I was driving a 95 Honda Civic.

stick shift all that happened was cops. are we raising the the guy that I know. the so so the cop was driving past me. and then he saw me and then he had to. turn around right and uh I think I was. like speeding or something like that and. then but he had to go past me and turn. around and it was like in my. neighborhood and I knew EXA I just took. a couple turns quick and hid behind a. building turned my lights off and I saw.

him like I saw him through these windows. it was real intense pull up to the stop. sign I saw him like looking for me back. and forth through this road and then I. saw him take off in the other direction. and then I just [ __ ] flipped around. and I got the hell out of there what was. he trying what was he looking for you. for I think I was just speeding and. Robin Banks. yeah yeah I think I who knows if I was. like swerving or whatever else or you. just saw a kid that was you know I was. like 16 17 at the time saw a kid that. was out at like 1: in the morning or.

whatever and might have done something I. don't know the second time when I got. caught. um this is so [ __ ] stupid. um I I was driving and I was like flying. I I don't know what my reasoning was. exactly like I said I was an adrenaline. junky but I was like flying through stop. signs and stuff I was going like 70 M an. hour in a 20 mph Zone and like 3 or 4 uh. in the morning I was trying to get back. to my friend's house before they went to.

bed so I would have a a place to crash. that was like my weird logic behind it. and also it was fun for me to be be. drunk and driving this fast and I blew. through a few stop signs and then I saw. and then I saw this car with its lights. on and I'm like [ __ ] that's a cop but I. just kept on driving anyway and I that. fast and I kept on like swerving around. corners and he was catching up to me. like pretty easily and um and then when.

he put his lights on I pulled over and. then he came up and I was like oh thank. God I thought you were this person that. was chasing me they had this this Dodge. Neon that was like similar kind of I. made up like headlights that would look. s story yeah and and there's like a. couple people a couple cop showed up and. I was because they called me in when. when they're like this is this is a. Chase but as soon as the guy put his. lights on I pulled right over and um and. he uh I don't know if I was [ __ ].

fooling these two dudes or what but it's. was like I think they're going to let me. go and then this woman um C showed up. that knew me cuz I had like 11 underage. drinking tickets and [ __ ] she's like is. that Shan Moss he's like he's up to. something give him a breath a light and. and she comes over and I I was wearing a. winter coat and she's like what's in. your pockets and I looked down and there. was I had two beer cans in each pocket.

that like couldn't have been more. obvious like ah [ __ ] and I took him out. and then I that was that was my uh that. was my second Dewey yeah that never got. another one good for you yeah yeah. that's a good time to end I was uh I was. 20 years old and I was I had a bit of a. rest de development I was a bit I was a. bit immature a bit uh I was extremely. rebellious a bit of an adrenaline junkie. and where can people see your show cuz. we got to wrap this up yeah yeah I have.

a 65 City Tour um with my show about. psychedelics called a good trip so if. you live in the United States I will be. in your area I'm making I'm making a. large loop around the US and then a. small Loop um and it's Shane moss on. Twitter uss.com and it's Shane comedy on. Shane comedy on Twitter Shane what is on. Instagram uh I don't have an Instagram. actually and my podcast is here we are. so if you go to here we are podcast.com. I have a different scientist on each.

week talking about their research cool. thanks Shane this is a lot of fun man. had a great time me too I will be back. tomorrow with uh John Anthony of the. famed magical Egypt 1 and two DVD series. a [ __ ] fascinating discussion on. Egypt will certainly follow see you soon. bye. thanks so much.