Joe Rogan Experience #761 - Bas Rutten

dum dum dum dum dum and we're live. unfortunately Marlo ralo uh is is. deathly ill and he cannot make it here. but the great boss rutin boom bosito yes. El Guapo yes is here former UFC. heavyweight champion and uh your friend. Kevin randman unfortunately the guy you. won the title from uh passed away. recently yeah that was sad huh yeah the. conspiracy theory was already on I saw. online because he didn't Maro didn't do. WWE yesterday evening so they said he.

was at the funeral of Kevin Ryman I said. no that's not true he's uh he's he's. really sick at home but yeah that was. the that was the craziest news we found. out after we just did our podcast yeah. and then we went online and. um he got sick was he got sick pneumonia. and then his heart gave out they going. going to revive him well he had staff. infection worse than anybody I've ever. seen in my life did you ever see some of. the pictures you know what I said to. people if you if you use smokeless.

tobacco you know that little box you. could literally put in that hole that he. had in his chest remember that oh yeah. it was insane well we'll show the. picture Jamie see if you can find the. picture Kevin randomman staff infection. I I I never knew that I could get this. bad but it he had holes in his body. where you could look in and you see all. the tissue and tendons I mean it just. incredible did you see it there Jamie I. mean I'm talking like a fists size hole. it was crazy you know this this guy. survived.

that's just incredible I just don't and. he fought after this too by the way yeah. he got that fixed up and he fought. afterwards but when your body is that. compromised from something like that um. I'm I'm assuming that was Mera with the. medication resistant saff infection that. stuff is real dangerous and people die. from it all the time look at his leg too. look how swollen his ankle and his foot. is oh my God very scary oh God and Kevin.

renman in his prime I mean what a stud. what a specimen that guy was to see him. uh that. compromised I mean I don't know if he. just ignored it and it just kept getting. worse and worse I I don't know what. happened I don't know either you know. but I I have the feeling that it's like. all with all the fighters that were. pretty much the same you probably the. same as well you know you have something. you feel bad you know your lungs oh. everything is hurting whatever man you. know I'll take care of that tomorrow. once it gets worse not realizing because.

we're pushing all the limits all the. time that at the moment you're feeling. it's probably really bad already you. should check it out but you know just. push it away let's get rid of my let's. do my work first and then we'll take. care of that later it was too late. that's that's the feeling I have that. that is a problem with mental toughness. in some Fighters that they just keep. pushing through injuries and I've always. suspected that that might be the case. with Kane why Kane keeps getting injured. over and over again and now that you. know he's starting to get some serious. injuries where he's had back surgery now. whole shoulder surgery knee surgery I.

mean this is a guy in his prime I mean I. think Kane is only like 33 or something. like that right he should be. regenerating like like this like nothing. as a heavyweight that's your Prime the. early 30s for heavyweights are generally. when they really come into their own and. to see him constantly injured I've. always suspected it's just his mental. toughness is almost like a burden. because he pushes through everything you. know Chris Weidman I think the same. thing with his knee he's had some.

serious knee problems it's cuz they you. know they have the problem they just go. [ __ ] it let's just keep going and they. can block out pain in a way that you. know most people they get a serious knee. injury they boy I got to go to the. doctor I got to get this checked out not. when you're in the middle of camp and. you're defending your title you you. [ __ ] keep pushing through it yeah I'm. telling all my students now because I. used to be exactly like all the other. guys I say if you have an injury and the. doctor tells you take two months off. take four months off that's my advice. now take double the amount of everybody.

does the opposite two months becomes one. month or three weeks yeah don't do that. because later in life like with what. happened with me it will backfire for. you it's such a good piece of advice. right there because so many guys uh. especially ACL surgeries how many times. have we seen guys get their their knee. reconstructed and then they try to get. back on the mat too quick and pop again. the new knee blows out again and you're. looking at another six to nine months. it's so so Dominic Cruz also Benji radak. he had like also like from a corpse from.

an illegal corpse he had something in. his knee an illegal corpse oh they had. the FBI yeah and it was illegally. obtained it was he got a letter from the. FBI he almost lost his leg and then he. he had this he we went to dinner with. him one time he had a machine on him. that filtered his blood everywhere he. went he got this crazy infection and. then years later he gets a letter from. the FBI and it was a guy who was. illegally uh handled in donors in the in.

whatever they need for knes and for for. everything like organs Jes and they. found that guy yeah and it was from a. cadav that was infected and that's why. he had all that problem yeah it was holy. [ __ ] it was really crazy did he get a. discount or something like that that IDE. maybe later you they just write it down. rain check for if the other KN happens. Benji rtic is a guy a lot of people. forgot about he's a [ __ ] talented guy. you know I was talented I I at the time. when was and they called me crazy when. Anderson Silva was at his speak of his.

career I said if I have six months with. Benji and he would listen to me because. sometimes he gets that ego that oh I can. strike with him no you know you don't. need to take him down then strike him. you know because he would knock people. out with one punch this guy hit so hard. he would hurt my hands on the focus Ms. wow I is the craziest power he has and I. I tell I'm telling you his wrestling was. so good he would just take him down and. just beat him up I guarantee that that. that's how powerful he was wow you know. there's a lot of guys that don't realize. their potential and Benji rck was one of.

those guys that people would always talk. about in the gym you know they say like. boy if he could figure out how to put it. all together we did a few times at the. IFL and when he was training for the. anacondas he was there yeah and then he. started listening and people go like man. he's you transformed him into a kickbox. no he's just listening at this moment. but when you face another guy like for. instance he fought uh Scott Smith you. know and I told him I said don't brawl. with the guy yeah but people going to. think I don't want to I said well blame. it on me tell him that I said so.

otherwise I'm not going to train you. anymore and of course the fight starts. Smith comes out and he starts brawling. with the guy that's what the guy does. don't do this like with vandelay Silva. don't brawl with the guy you know you. got to pick him apart from the outside. and shoot take him down he got in. trouble at the end of the first round. then he took him down hit him once it. was the end of the round but almost had. Scot Smith second round exactly the same. thing where I lost my voice I I just. stopped yelling I said.

why don't you take him down take him. down beat him up knock him out it's it's. really that easy for you do it but he. didn't he goes a funny thing when guys. want to beat guys at their own game or. they want to show that they're not. afraid to stand with. people yeah it's hard to it's hard to. you know that that [ __ ] thing that. makes you great in the first place that. makes you a fighter in the first place a. lot of times can bite you in the ass. just don't don't do what the other. person is best at if there's one thing. he's weaker than yours.

go through that whatever it is whether. it's ground whether it's striking well. that was one thing that GSP was always. so good at he was always so good at. imposing his strengths like whatever the. guy if a guy was good at wrestling he. would try to keep the fight standing if. a guy was good at standing he would take. him down you know I mean GSP was so good. at that and being unpredictable too as. to what his approach was going to be he. thought he was going to strike and then. he's going to take you down you think. he's going to take you down and he's. going to kick you he was like the La. Hoya the La Hoya every time when he. fought he had new technique he used new.

combinations and and the same thing. happened with uh GSP every time you saw. him Josh kosek I I I remember the fight. it was a jab and was a spinning back. kick to the body you know and he nailed. it over and over again you knew that for. the six weeks eight weeks whatever he. was training they worked on that you. know for the rest you add Li a little. bit what you normally do but you know. just pepper them yeah the uh Josh kek. fight man that was a that was an ugly. one that that when his eyes swo up like. that Josh was in a seriously bad shape. after that he couldn't fly after that.

fight yeah that was you know that was. one where they he had they had a drive. from I think they had that fight in. toron was it Toronto or Montreal I think. that was Toronto right no no that was I. believe it was Montreal because I think. Toronto was Jake Shields that was the. big one at the Roger center right I have. no clue I think so either way he was in. Canada and he had to drive down to. Boston and I believe he had to stay. there for a couple weeks before he could. even fly back home to San Jose wow so. you think like that will blow up in the. air as well I guess I don't know it was.

so bad it was an orbital fracture. there's there's a picture of it right. there and that's after the fight but it. was so bad that they had to operate on. it and um those blowout fractures of the. eyes apparently are extremely painful. and very dangerous too because it's the. bone behind the eye that gets broken so. they have to go in behind the eye and. repair that bone and sometimes when they. do that your eyeball is never the same. again it looks different like do you.

remember Bob sap after crocop hit him in. Pride I believe you called that fight I. called that fight yeah I was there. remember crocop cracked him with a left. hand was it pride or was it K1 no it was. that was Pride oh wait a minute maybe it. was kickboxing I think it was kickboxing. you know it was because I I was actually. training Bob well whatever you call it. training I trained him one and a half. time the rest he was doing uh interviews. oh really I go dude this guy right now. in Croatia he's kicking a back he he. wants to kill you because you're on the. the of the world right he just beat host.

twice that is crazy that he beat him so. uh yeah then he came to train with me. because I told him before the fight with. h he said if you would fight me why. would you go for I go I go for body. shots because your stamina and I I kick. your knees instead of your legs I kick. your knees because you have to carry. that weight all the all the time who's. dropped them two or three times with the. liver shot so after that he came he said. D I really want to train with you I said. okay well then I'm going to be in Japan. anyway so let's let's work out but yeah.

he was too busy doing media I said don't. do that he was such a superstar in Japan. he had a capitalize the amount of money. he was able to make I don't think people. in America realize how big for those few. years Bob sap got in Japan you have no. clue we went out to dinner with him and. that they have to close the the. restaurant and have to let him out at. the back because you see one person in. the front two four boom and there was. the whole group couldn't get out anymore. wow you couldn't go through the lobby of. the hotel and it's not like he can blend.

in no 375 lb man you know a funny story. huge he was he was this was in the the. Tokyo post they had a picture of him at. the on the cover uh coming out of like a. massage place and he saw these little. girls next to him and he's the mountain. of a man stands there and all these. little girls that had that little black. thing in front of their eyes you know. that they do so you don't know who that. person is can still and he was upset he.

said why didn't they put one in front of. my eyes I go yeah even if they blocked. your whole head off I mean people got to. go a what do you think that is it was. hilarious well when he was fighting in. Pride I mean he was like a character. from a movie he he was like the boss in. a video game you remember yeah oh yeah. God it was so hilarious he did all these. dances the Bob Sab dance and they got. every show it was in every show and the. yeah they just love him he's a he's a.

freak and you know what the first time. when he fought against noera I go dude. we're going to hear from this this guy. he he he was doing really well against a. season guy like noera eventually okay he. lost but he just started yeah I think if. he really would would have kept focusing. on the same training that he did at the. time it would have been a much much. tougher guy because he had a lot of. talent physically at least well he was. just so [ __ ] big too he was so big. Maurice was training him at that time.

yeah my Smith was working with him yeah. they were working with his kickboxing. and they were really trying to put some. technique to all that muscle but you. know you're talking about a guy who. legitimately was 375 lbs with abs I mean. he was like the greatest science project. in the history of performance-enhancing. drugs right yeah I mean has there ever. been a project like the blueprint he is. he's like this is as far as you can push. it before you [ __ ] explode before. your skin just explodes like a water.

balloon oh man yeah we've seen that in. the past you seen it with these guys who. use a lot you know they always are. around the fighters they start to become. purple you know and then suddenly you. hear they died of a heart attack or. something oh I wonder what happened. there you know well he made it through. he survived and then he started just. quick tapping he started doing all these. fights where he would get hit one he. would go in hard and if it didn't work. out he would just tap and he fought a. bunch of guys like like that where he. would start off the fight really well.

and then wind up tapping out just and. then he would fight again in like three. weeks do the same thing and just kept. doing it living off of the name that he. had created while he was in Pride that's. a very sad thing for me that that's. almost uh the same as going on the. street and back for money it really is. to me you know I think that is uh and. he's such a good guy if you meet him. also very very nice try to help people. great guy but yeah that I I I don't like. that it's the same when K you know I saw. that special or a thing that they did on.

him that he sells cars now you know it's. it's hard to look at that because. especially he knew where he was in the. past and that all is gone now you know. it's it's you can be really high but you. can fall really low yeah you know so he. had Fighters saying that they said it's. so great to fight he says but when. you're high you're high you know when. you win but when the lows are there it's. really low as well the difference is too. much well actually uh look what just. came out with Allen and uh Rhonda yeah.

right I mean she broke down just. thinking about and I know it it's a. moment that they're there so um. everybody would have that for a few. seconds but yeah it will it will get you. down a big like that well I know that. after the fight like that night she was. just devastated but of course I mean. that was a a brutal brutal knockout and. it was a a fight where nothing worked I. mean just nothing worked she went after. Holly and she tried to bully her and.

Holly just great footwork countered her. and that kickboxing and her movement. Holly's movement is the best in all of. women's MMA her footwork and movement. she's so good at getting out of the way. at countering when you're coming in and. the the style the Bulldog style of. Rhonda especially the way she fought. that fight that night just played right. into Holly's hands that's it she knew. exactly where she was going to be all. the time because she just went speed. forward and that head kick wof you know. that was one one of the things I said.

after that fight I'm like this is she. should take a long time off after that. fight because that's the kind of head. kick that's the kind of Koo that it. takes a long time to recover from you. might look fine you know you might be. able to talk but mentally and also the. brain itself that kind of an impact like. a a high kick like that can really take. a long time for everything heal for. everything to to normalize well what. Kenny rice said he says now we because I. took my words back because we're talking. about. Floyd Mayweather versus Ronda I said.

well if it goes to the ground you know. yeah I I I I truly believe but Kenny. said footwork will make sure it's not. going to go to the ground I go no no no. five runs 5 minutes 25 minutes a long. time you know there will be a clinch one. time but that's exactly what happened. yeah there's a difference first of all. in fighting in an octagon which is a. huge surface like if you look at a. boxing ring most people up much much. smaller space and also I just don't. think Ronda would try to box. a Floyd Mayweather I think she thought.

that she could stand with Holly Holm Y. and I think a lot of it is based on. Holly's previous performances in the UFC. especially the Rael Pennington fight. Raquel Pennington who was very tough. very very durable and Rael I I always. give her uh I gave her the nickname of. the ear Exploder because she's had so. many moments in the fight where you're. like oh you scream so loud that like you. blow people's eardrums out like um when. she fought Ashley Evans Smith and. Bulldog choked her like blood everywhere. and she choked her like one ago we were. screaming at the end of that fight like.

she's out she's out and then she not. yeah and then but Pennington's so tough. and fought conservatively against Holly. Holm and almost won like that was a. decision right so you look at that fight. and you go oh boy man maybe Ronda could. stand with her and just go after her the. way she went after bch Goa the way she. went after uh Alexis Davis but man Holly. was just on point it was I think it's. game planning also mhm you know after. that fight with Raquel that was the but.

perfect for her because that means okay. stay away from the big bumps you know. and they know that Ronda she's an. athlete she can hit she hit you when I. saw that um what is the open workout in. Brazil yeah and I'm one of these guys I. have always things to say oh this is not. good you should be do you can prove this. you can you know I'm all I'm very. critical and I always I think to myself. am I too much is that what am I doing. but at the moment I saw her training. there and this is this is not fighting. and I know this doesn't translate to. fighting by hitting the focus mitt and.

hitting the back or all that stuff it. looked nearly perfect to me the rotation. of her upper body the movement. afterwards the move very Tyson like also. I really thought man yeah okay I have. nothing to say now this looks really. good I felt the same way yeah I felt. like her hand techniques were on point. and then when she polished off bch Co in. the first round it sort of spoke to that. like okay well look obviously she she. hits hard her technique is improving and. she's an elite athlete talking about an. Olympian you're talking about a person.

that has that mindset to push forward. and figures out a way to get better at. everything she does but so does Holly y. so does Holly I mean and Holly has got. way better kickboxing skills and way. better um she's got way more diversity. in her striking game whereas ronda's. just punching knees to the body when she. gets close to the clinch knees to the. body but on the outside it's just. punching whereas Holly Holly can head. kick you and knock you the [ __ ] out and. she sets those kicks up but kicks to the. body she'll throw kicks to the leg that.

Jackson Camp they all like that oblique. kick to the thigh to the thigh this is a. dangerous kick yeah it's going to be. outlawed and when somebody's going to. snap their knee it's going to be over do. you think so because knee bars aren't. outlawed heel hooks aren't outlawed I. know but that's a different thing you. know you this is once your leg is a. little stretched and you get hit there. that's it a knee bar or you have to be. in pois you know but anybody else would. just put the KNE bar on and give you. time to tap yeah you won't have that. with an oblique k yeah I I agree me I.

mean but it's so effective right now. when it's legal I understand why they're. using it because Jon Jones is so good at. it and that you know Winkle John is one. of the best stking coaches in the world. he really is he's so good and so. underappreciated because he's such a. humble guy he doesn't he's not talking a. lot he's not bragging he's a very downto. Earth normal humble guy but the results. that that guy's been able to I mean. Holly's probably one of his best. students but of course Jon joneson. not a freak who uh you know he can.

change the world he he could be if he. everything if he's now on the straight. and narrow and he's just fighting I see. this guy nobody's going to beat this guy. it's going to be it's going to be hard. that's for sure but you know the worry. about Jon is that John's going to [ __ ]. himself up because like recently he just. got caught driving with no license and. no no insurance and no registration and. you know he lost his license he get he's. got millions of dollars get a [ __ ]. driver man get a driver yeah but look at. Tiger Woods what happened to him because.

when all the crap happened with him he. mentally he didn't come back from that. and I understand this is golf you know. but same as fighting it's a it's a mind. game it's really a mind game so can he. overstep that I I think he can because. Jones is Young and he knows how good he. is but if I were him I would say fight. four five more years stop you're going. down in history like a thousand years. from now they will still talk about you. if you do it correctly yeah or you know. he sidetracks and something bad is going. to happen to him let's not hope yeah. yeah I hope he pulls it together he's a.

great guy I really like Jon as a person. I mean he's has his flaws like most. people and he's Young and the amount of. pressure that he's on to be the youngest. ever UFC champion to have this. spectacular career so early in life the. only loss he had was a disqualification. that was a [ __ ]. disqualification I mean this this stupid. rule of 12 to six elbows they got to get. rid of that rule so dumb if we don't. know what I'm talking about folks in the. UFC there's a rule and it's a crazy rule. that you can't strike someone with an.

elbow from 12: 12:00 p.m. to 6:00 on a. clock dial like going straight down and. the only reason why you can't do it is. because when they were setting up the. athletic commissions the athletic. commissions had seen those karate. demonstrations on TV where a guy would. break a brick with his elbow and they. said well you can't do that that's got. to be illegal cuz someone could die and. this is what Big John McCarthy told me. that he had to talk to these people and. he's like okay all right then that one's. illegal so that's the only reason why. that's still illegal but the great thing. is if you're on your back you're allowed. to do it because then it's Northwest.

West East I mean. yes it's the dumbest thing ever it's so. stupid it's one of the dumbest rules. that's still in place yeah oh well. that's uh we we had a guy in Holland um. hipolit hipolit and wheat Orlando wheat. these two guys when they fought each. other they will sell out all the time I. I saw three fights of them live because. these guys were crazy full tie rules and. Orlando we and he both of them they. would in the clinch like jump all the. way up and then come down with the.

elbows to the collar bones to the head I. mean they would go full blast Orlando. weed who fought in the UFC F early like. I think UFC 2 was it two he fought in. yeah against uh Remco Parco parul yeah. Remco got him in the scarf hole and. pounded out with elbows with illegal. elbows now it is illegal yeah that's so. true right well it might have been legal. cuz it was kind of coming from 12 around. the side maybe it was like 12 to 7 or. something like that 11 11. five or 1 to seven it's up to you what.

you want to call them it's so dumb it's. so dumb I I you know I have a problem. with a few rules of the UFC but that's. the number one that's the number one. yeah I have also a problem with the. putting the hand on the ground to stop. knees to the head I I always go if you. have somebody lift him up yeah and then. knee him in the head well I I feel like. to down opponent maybe that's a problem. when they're up against the cage because. you can't get your head out of the way. like in Pride one of the crazy things. about Pride which I think to this day. and one of the reasons why I was so.

excited to have Mar here too you guys. called The Glory Days I mean some of the. wildest fights in the history of the. sport where you have Stomps Soccer Kicks. everything but no elbows elbows to the. ground yeah no I I I remember fights. that they literally have vanet silver in. the corner of a or ninja or Shogun you. know and they would hold the ropes and. then just stomp somebody skulling pretty. much it's a it's scary I think that that. shouldn't that shouldn't be legal it's.

like the what happened in the past with. h rera you know at 1fc it's now one. Championship yeah when you look at that. fight you go that was the referee really. messed up on that one he literally. dropped on all Force because he was. exhausted and then he got penalty kicked. in the face that would that that could. have been really bad well I think it was. really bad I mean I don't know how much. he recovered from that I mean that was a. devastating knockout and it was also. Roger fighting at 17 which is not really. his weight class it really should be a.

155 and he fought a big who was the. Brazilian guy that he fought I don't. remember his name um but that guy's a. big guy and he he had Roger hurt and. then that soccer they have like a rule. at 1 FC I don't know if they still have. it where they they'll say like open like. where you're allowed to do a stomp or a. kick to the the down opponent well this. was a. Clos they should have said there's the. guy's name Zoro Baba.

man it was a devastating devastating. soccer he said I did not want to throw. the kick wow well then don't why would. you do it do it to the body which which. will be very dangerous at that moment as. well because you're breathing you going. to crack some ribs so it could be very. dangerous as well but you could recover. from the crack ribs a lot better than. you can recover from that step away. there's no need for that I never had. that you know it means being aware in. the cage and know what you're doing you. know if I see a GU guys out guys out. they're not going to hit him extra it's.

you know yeah well good for you man it's. there's a lot of debate about the old. rules of Pride versus the rules of the. UFC and that was one of the things that. happened when crocop started fighting in. the UFC and then fought in a cage for. the first time against Gonzaga well you. know he fought uh Eddie Sanchez first. won that fight but it's not on his level. it was not on his level Y and then he. fought Gonzaga and Gonzaga took him down. held him up against the cage elbowed the. [ __ ] out of him and then stood him up. and high kicked him but he was saying.

like the elbows confused him like he. wasn't used to that and he also wasn't. used to the cage being trapped whereas. the pride ring you could move around. like the ropes were there you can get. under the ropes you could you know you. never pinned you can also but you can. lock somebody up also in a corner which. you cannot do in a cage it's when I. stepped for the first time into the cage. um I I was like oh dude this is this is. awesome they can never look me up this. is the biggest thing I've ever seen yeah. yeah so uh yeah I I think Gonzaga that.

fight and I always come back to this I. thought I was so smart what he was doing. he was constantly throwing a right hand. MH and it didn't even come close to his. face like this F and and I'm constantly. thinking why is he doing that and then. it really you know I got oh he's. shutting his kick down because cocup he. might think if I just throw right. straight like every 20 seconds in front. of your face he's going to think if I. throw my left at the moment he throws. that right straight he's going to knock. me out so he shut his whole game down.

and then he was moving to the left and. that was that was the blueprint to Croco. because after that everybody start doing. it yeah and it's interesting how cro. crocop got his revenge in the rematch in. a big way with elbows on the ground was. kind of ironic you know that one of the. things that crocop was saying before. that fight is that he didn't. particularly like grappling and he. didn't particularly like elbows on the. ground meanwhile that's what won him the. fight Y the second fight he won by being. on top and but the elbows that a real. talented Striker can throw from the.

guard the difference in those elbows is. just unbelievably devastating we saw. that in the crocop fight yep no he did a. really good job with that I I had a one. time also somebody armar me and I I I. got out and when I fought him the second. time I I didn't want to knock him out I. want to arbar him first and I remember. to armar him but it was with the Rope. escapes there I had him and then he rope. escapes and I told him I said oh so this. is pancreas this is pancreas I said now. you got it back you know and then later. on I heel hooked him actually well pancr.

had crazy rules you and you were the. first guy to figure those rules out and. I loved watching you fight back then. because it was open hand striking with. the hands but kicks so like you were. were the first guy that I ever saw a. fight in that first of all that kick so. [ __ ] hard you could see when you. would slam these guys with these kicks. they'd be like oh this is a completely. different experience but also you. weren't slapping you would P how the. [ __ ] do you pull your hand back so far I. got very limber hands hit with the bone.

yeah you were pulling your hand way back. and throwing straight punches and hooks. and uppercuts like when you fought. funaki you were throwing uppercut pal. strikes like a punch like with the same. motion Nobody Does this still look if. I'm in the guard and I I just leave my. hand like this see mhm yeah just slide. over his chest in the face why is nobody. doing this why is nobody doing just. leave it here just hit him a little bit. do look away. because most the time when you look away.

they think and then Bo just hit them in. yeah flat hand on the center of the. chest and just shove it shove it over. the chest yeah that does make sense that. does make sense but wouldn't that work. with a punch as well with the yeah but. you have more space with a palm right. like on this distance mhm this is much. shorter than this this is like an extra. 15% which will make a lot of difference. on that distance that's a very good. point like that's another five or six. inches at least listen that's why I. never understood nobody's throwing Palm.

strikes now left hook right straight. combination right in boxing right it's a. dumb combination if you really think. about it if it's a short left hook I'm. way too close for my straight punch it. has no power I can't stretch my arm but. if I do a palm strike and then a. straight punch now I got space for my. straight punch it's much harder so why. is nobody doing that now I do Clos lines. I I posted a a thing on Facebook like a. year ago when I hit a back with a. clothes line d I don't think people can. imitate me my weight with a kick like.

that they can kick and then I say okay. now I show a close line you see the back. folding around my whole arm is the. craziest thing you can block can try to. block whatever you want if I close line. you if you stand still it goes straight. through everything I guarantee you it. knock you out why is that why is a. clothes line so powerful it is so. powerful because you can really lock it. up don't stretch your arm because if you. miss time and you hit your you're going. to hyp extend but um you can drag your. whole body weight in there because you. lock it up legs are planted on the. ground yeah so you're getting all that.

hip torque in there good it is such a. powerful strike and also with the clinch. when even when they stand like this if I. do this it loops around the defense and. it hits the back of the head still the. legal part right because it's outside. the Mohawk well even the back of the. head standing never seems to get like in. boxing they get penalized for punching. the back of the head like people say no. rabbit punches but when you think about. a head kick a lot of head kicks. especially the ones that go over the. shoulder they're they're the back of the. head Y and it's and it's legal and.

that's why they're effective and that's. why it was so effective with me with the. with with banr I hid behind the ear if. you look at Mike Tyson's fights you know. I don't know how he did it but he did it. he he was always the shorter guy but if. you see him hooking somebody he has. almost the back of the head he's got. very short hooks now the body it's ready. for impact from the front and from the. side because you're used to it well if. you can see the Punch Coming the behind. I always tell people just do with the. Palm just do this to the back of your. head and and see what happens like just. me doing this is already go you're not.

ready for that so you can only imagine. if you go hit as hard as you can behind. the ear yeah it's a sweet uh it's a. sweet punch I can't understand nobody's. doing it me is the back of the head that. much more dangerous oh do this do this. but I mean is it that much more. dangerous I mean should be outla just. behind the a just do that oh yeah right. you you. got. yeah you remember um when henzo fought. in World Combat uh against that Judo guy.

um uh I forget his name oh the Dutch guy. yeah yeah he got his back and spikers. spikers Ben spikers I with him also he. got his back and just back if they if. you can elbow the back of the head rear. naked chokes out the window everybody's. just going to bang bang bang to the back. of the head and it's almost more. effective than a rear naked choke. because guys are just going to they're. just going to try to cover up yeah and. eventually yeah Will slip through that's. it's it's interesting to me that there's. some really effective martial arts.

techniques that are outlawed and that's. one of them I mean you you can't hit. that spot it's it's it's kind of strange. because in a self-defense situation or. an actual martial arts if you think. about what is the most effective. technique to use knees to the ground are. very effective to head on a down. opponent elbows to the back of the head. are very effective yeah but are they. that much more dangerous I mean should. they be out loud oh here's the the video. yeah henzo got oh look at this boom boom. I mean no need to choke but he mean he. choked him anyway I think yeah and now.

he's going to step on his head right at. the end he smashed him he smashed that. dude well that guy here's the deal henzo. who's a very nice guy by the way this. [ __ ] guy was calling henzo all. throughout the night and [ __ ] with. him look at he Ste on his head as he. walked off of him yeah he's out cold. henzo uh was in his hotel room and this. guy kept calling him and [ __ ] with. him and he just didn't want him to have. any sleep so he just kept ringing his. phone and hzo was like oh okay all right. just wait [ __ ] yeah it's so. funny when you see a guy like hzo he's.

always smiling you know don't don't do. it what's what's wrong with people he's. really nice he smiles all the time yeah. but he does the same thing when he kicks. you in the balls you know he's I mean. watch out did you ever see that Twitter. uh sequence that henzo put online where. he beat the [ __ ] out of these muggers in. New York City yeah these guys in New. York City tried to mug henzo Gracie not. knowing who he was so henzo not only. beat the [ __ ] out of them he followed. them and kept beating the [ __ ] out of.

them and was making all these pushes. thank you Mayor Bloomberg for making so. safe New York city so I don't have to. worry about guns this to me is a. pleasure now he already starts with. there's two guys following me they. probably want to rob me or something and. then he he makes it into a game he's. like oh yeah this is really happening. I'm so excited oh what a huge [ __ ] up on. their part y well he had one we were um. Kenny Ry I we were somewhere this is not.

that long ago and he was also he was. walking on the street and two guys same. thing he came to tell the story and uh. and he he dropped the biggest guy right. he say I just picked the biggest guy. knocked him out and while he kept. walking the police came they stopped his. there any trouble and he looks at the. guys and the guys go no no does no any. trouble and he just kept walking he said. you just picked the wrong guy that's. what he told him they [ __ ] up did yeah. yeah well he looks so friendly and. when he's got his game face on he looks.

like a killer but most of the time H off. smiling he's like one of the SM happiest. guys you're ever going to run into yep. and there look at him there big smile oh. that's is that a IFL ring IFL ring but. that's this is the paper weight this is. not a yeah it's a fake one it's a paper. weight that they gave to us yeah and uh. henzo couldn't be a nicer guy couldn't. be a nicer guy and it's so nice to see. how well he's done with his school too. he has one of the biggest Jiu-Jitsu. schools in the world Y and in Manhattan. where it's so hard to be successful.

because it's so expensive real estate I. I think the IFL had a big part in that. because they did that thing on 2020 for. him mhm and uh or 15 minutes one of the. two and and after that it just exploded. because once you get into the world of. Enzo you know about what kind of person. he is you know everybody likes him you. know even even the guys like him so the. people at home they saw that guy and. then they saw the technique and they you. know Talent yeah put hand and hand. together boom trains there also his wife. trains everybody trains there yeah well.

he's done an amazing job of putting. together a fantastic gym in New York. City with Gary tonin Eddie cumings so. he's got these guys that are and John. Doner is a big part of that as well he's. got these guys that are trained there. that are so successful in these. Jiu-Jitsu competitions so it's not just. the legacy of being one of the Gracies. and being one of the most famous. Jiu-Jitsu practitioners ever but it's. also on top of that it's the product. like the the results that they've gotten. in competition yeah he's very smart you. know he's got a a really good staff as.

well teaching there which is a very. important thing because most of the time. guys like who are really good they want. to control it too much you know and then. it goes down but he did a great job just. getting the right guys for the job. Well's also you see extreme loyalty from. the people that train there because they. love henzo so much like there there's. like a real bond with henzo Gracie of. course you know Matt Sarah who came from. that lineage and then you know a lot of. his guys as well just uh can't say. enough good things about him yeah he's. funny uh Matt he's so hilarious the the.

the one when I the the first time. looking for a fight yeah you seen that. show show you you're a boat model you. know and Dana sits there and then he. gets all uncomfortable about sitting a. certain way it's so funny if you haven't. seen it there's a show called looking. for a fight and it's Dana White Matt. Sarah and Nick The Tooth and what they. do is they go to small MMA shows all. over the world and uh they see fights. and find talent and that's where they. found that kid Mi Sage northcut as well.

and then the guy who's who they were. setting up to fight Punk yeah CM Punk. which is uh I don't know what's going to. happen with that guy I don't understand. this whole thing he's got a lot of. injuries well I also think it's. ridiculous for him to fight in the UFC I. think he should fight in a small. organization take a fight in a small. organization build yourself up I always. said that that's what should have happen. with Brock Lesnar I mean if you look at. Brock Lesnar as an athlete I always said. if you took Brock Lesnar and got him to. a guy like Matt Hume or faras sahab and.

said okay make this guy a champ you're. dealing with a freak athlete unreal just. train him correctly building him build. him up slow get him to the rank but he. wanted a fight right away in the UFC one. fight in K1 right to the UFC fought in. that K1 La show yep um and then right to. the UFC yeah it's a shame you know and. but but it's his name and you know they. they of course they understand that once. he fights for a pay-per-view there's. going to be a lot of people he's going. to have a cut in the you you know but. that that is short it's always short.

like the money later in your career you. regret all these things I'm happy I. never did that yeah I feel like make. makeig mistakes well I feel like he um. he definitely had massive potential I. mean he beat I mean he beat Randy. Couture I mean that's just started there. unbelievable I mean he he beat the [ __ ]. out of Frank Mir I mean he beat shane. Car in a fight we really had to show his. resilience got the [ __ ] beat out of him. in the first round came back submitted. him in the second round mhm so he had. some legit wins against legit guys but.

just wasn't ready for guys like Kane or. especially aliser that was yeah that was. a bad fight well if he could have taken. it to the ground it would have been. different against coutur that was the. first time that I thought oh hopefully. now more people start doing it that was. that crazy punch and with him it was. because he was not super technical yet. in in Striking but he hit overhand and. it hit with the this part of the hand. with the fist the back of the head and. Couture went down then with Junior dos. Santos knocked out C Velasquez like that.

I go okay we got it people finally now. they start getting it to it and then. Velasquez did the same thing to Junior. coming back so I figured oh they looked. at it so now we're going to see this. more often but that was pretty much it. you see it here and there one time but. it's not a real overhand or they they. throw a real overhand not with the side. that hits the back of the head again. what we just talked about yeah almost. like a ridg hand stri it's almost like a. rid hand yep that is well you remember. when Chuck Liddell used to throw that c. you got a Chuck Dell sweatshirt on now. there's new roots of fight ones right I.

got a boss R t-shirt at home oh got. one but Chuck lell used to throw it like. over the top of his head like he would. he would throw this crazy one and that's. how he hit alar when they fought in. Pride he threw it like like not a not. circular at all but like like a 126. punch you know it's a complete different. punch that's what I tell people I said. um how do I say I always really liked. the technique from Chuck he's he's also. wide open uh which gives him almost.

power equal left and right just like. Tyson just I like to fight like that as. well and he can hit really really hard. and he's not afraid about opening up. sometimes though with him you know if he. gets too excited instead of stepping. back he goes in for the kill and that. got him in trouble later in his career. because if he would simply step back and. come back but that's why every person. every guy every everybody likes Chuck. Liddell you don't look at Chuck lell you. say oh you lost the a couple of times by. knockout nobody will say that he did not.

lose one fan because he's always there. to fight that's why I really like Chuck. yeah he had one of the most exciting. attitudes ever in fighting he was always. do or die and early in his career he had. an incredible chin I mean his chin was. just iron you ever see the P fight when. they fought in valy tudo in Brazil oh no. no I heard about it though was crazy too. crazy fight and then that was a fight. where they had a net under the bottom. rope they fought in a ring but it was. modified for valley tudo where the.

bottom rope from the bottom to the to. the floor of the Ring was a net so he. couldn't get out out they're trapped. bare knuckle and Chuck's got him trapped. in there and just beaten the [ __ ] out of. him like smooshed up there and this was. back when you know Chuck was known for. his striking but he was a very good. wrestler yeah before that yeah that's. why he stopped every day down you know. that was one of the things that um what. the [ __ ] was his name the guy who uh was. the Matchmaker for the UFC joh John. petti John petti told Chuck right before.

he fought his first fight in the UFC he. said if you take this guy down you'll. never fight for us again oh wow that's. like some he said it to to Chuck right. before he fought they didn't want him to. uh try to wrestle [ __ ] his way so. Chuck's like oh Jesus all right knock. him out so that's the the debut of Chuck. Liddell you know who knew you know hey I. got great hand power well you he can H. Hackleman you know his trainer is also a. legend you know and a great guy and a. real Wild Man Too there they were a. perfect combination you know Hackleman.

and and Chuck you know with Chuck's. early days you you know you watch some. of those fights like the Babaloo fight I. mean he was just a [ __ ] Destroyer. that the kick right yeah that was the. the that was the second time they fought. right wasn't it I don't remember that's. if we have Maro here he'll he'll tell. the dates everything well when when Maro. gets better we'll definitely have him. back here I would I would love to talk. to him I love Maro he's such a great guy. he really is we we have some crazy. stories in Japan also so because we. everything with us is fun we would come.

home or we would come home we would. breakfast in Japan you know you wake up. early because of the jetl we're there at. 5:30 when the breakfast place opens we. sit down and our table we start with two. it would be at the end 25 guys out there. everybody jumps a table because it's. Comedy Central all morning long all the. fighters you know everybody's laughing. everybody's having a good time well you. guys did a lot of comedy sketches too. there was like a lot of fun with pride. in those early days in the in the early. days yeah this was just uh that was with.

quados st quados yeah they allowed us to. do this and it all happened because I. forgot my suit I didn't know that as a. commentator you needed to wear a suit so. they thought I was messing with them and. I go no I really didn't bring it nobody. told me to bring a suit so I was in my. shorts flipflops and I had this Hawaiian. shirt on and that was the first one that. I'm leaning back and there's a bunch of. these gas they're Fanning me down and. feeding me grapes and I'm doing I'm. talking to Stephen who is in the event.

you know we're going back and forth and. they say man we really like that maybe. we should keep doing this and then we. start coming up at this crazy opening. well a lot of what you were doing it was. I don't even know if I was working for. the UFC back then but guys from. Jiu-Jitsu we would all get together we'. over either go over my friend John's. house or we' go over my house and we get. together with a bunch of guys and we. would watch Pride Y and oh those were. the days man those are the days those. were the days because that it was the. ear days of MMA and you know we had had. in the '90s he'd have the UFC which was.

kind of struggling at the time because. they were kicked off a cable and the. only way you could get it was on Direct. TV this is pre zua was before zua bought. it but that's like right around the time. where Pride started to take off with the. first Hixon fight Hixon a lot of people. don't know Hixon started off Pride yep. Hixon was in Pride one yeah Takata yeah. that was the first fight and and then. sakuraba put him on the map by beating. the Gracies yeah you know that's when it. became big that's why I always say you.

know for Risen for that new organ Isis. yeah it they need they need a sakuraba. like guy they need a Japanese guy they. they could do a few shows like this with. a federal me ankle and now Vander Sila. coming back and they can do a few shows. but eventually people want to root for. their own you know they need a Japanese. guy like satake you remember in K1 he. was getting very I think he won the. first one but that was before all the. foreigners game once the you know. Broncos seeu and all the that was an. animal that guy also Bronco knocked out.

host remember that man that guy could. [ __ ] punch we saw I saw fight Yap. adah Hall in Holland that's that was the. F most famous place every fight was. there always that was one night we had. um four guys from Thailand were there. and they were fighting all guys from a. jira gym like Rob Cayman milel [ __ ] I. mean all all the great guys all the. great Strikers from mango and it were. all title fights and they were broadcast. life to Thailand wow they all got. knocked out wow yeah that never happened.

again after that they destroyed him it. was awesome what a night wow well that. was you know the Holland days of you. know the the the top Holland guys when. right around the time where uh Ramon. Decker started dominating and Rob Cayman. started dominating so much talent came. out of Holland I mean Holland is a small. country if you look at the size of. Holland you look at the amount of. highlevel kickbox Str that have come out. of there it's pretty incredible it's. incred you know you the the K1 for.

instance they at the end from the final. eight they fight all year from they they. make a final tournament for the people. who don't understand it they fight 10. times a year or there 10 shows a year. and then in December there's the final. eight like the UFC started eight. Fighters the best from the whole year. compete against each other whoever wins. gets like $450,000 whatever the price. money is but they start realizing that. the final eight were six were Dutch. seven were D so now if you're for. instance in a a guy who was born in.

Morocco but lives in Holland or even. when you were born in Holland with. Moroccan parents you know suddenly you. come up with the Moroccan flag because. they said we can't have the Dutch flag. the whole B har perfect example yeah. Roman deers the first guy I saw first. time I saw him fight I was on the same. card I was fighting as well so this is. this is a long time ago it's was just. C-Class you know in holl you have new. C-Class bclass a class and um and I just. started so I probably was new and he. fought cclass I believe and a friend of.

mine calls me he says you're going to. watch I said no I got to fight I got to. warm up he says you want to watch this. kid watch this kid and I see him and. he's with a little mullet and he is. skinny and he fights this guy who's much. older he's like 16 17 years old an older. guy with tattoo so automatically you you. go oh he's going to get killed and my. buddy goes just wait till he starts you. know and the first kick I don't I still. remember he kicked the guy a low kick. kick and the guy horiz went horizontal. and fell on the ground and I looking at.

my body I go this is the craziest part. I've ever seen it was so explosive and. he was so skinny at the time but his. technique was perfect his technique was. perfect and he was so ferocious yeah I. mean he didn't care like when towards. the end his ankles were so [ __ ] up. that he wanted to fight Southpaw because. he start he didn't want to throw the. right kick but he would he would kick a. few times he would go [ __ ] it and he' go. right back to it and with his bad leg I. mean they were telling him like we're. we're close to amputating your leg. you've broken your foot so many times.

you've broken your shin your your whole. leg is just a series of and he would. wrap it up tight and just still once the. fight started he didn't give a [ __ ] he. just throw it right into elbows he'd. kick everything arm out of socket he. would just place it back in the corner. and and um cor hammers his trainer he. told me I never heard him complain like. he would say oh you know I hurt my ankle. or I hurt my hand he said I never heard. him say anything when he comes back like. that he just goes like what are you.

doing I'm putting my shoulder back in. place it's out of the socket it was. almost like it wasn't his body yeah like. he was using a borrowed body yeah yeah. crazy guy man super good you know that's. Kevin Kevin R look a freak in nature so. I mean he could have done any sport you. know guys like that and that's where. Roman de is to I'm happy they found. fighting though yeah well Ramone. Decker's really set the standard he. really set the standard I mean for. ferocity and he sort of embodied that. Holland style the Dutch style of Muay.

Thai where they just I mean he was just. a Crusher a Crusher yeah he was like Rob. K and all these guys they start what. what they did what they the reason was. they started winning fights in Thailand. was because they had better hands they. they tied the hands and the kicks. together and they didn't do that in. Thailand yet it was predominantly only. kicking kicking and a lot of clinching. and then you had like Rob Rob Cayman who. was one of the greatest kickboxers ever. you know and then you suddenly that's. the technical version uh the more smooth.

one probably he had um the slow twitch. fibers you know because he don't get me. wrong he won't he knock you out with. every punch but then you had Roman. deakers who was the explosive guy they. he had that technique and he he added. the explosiveness to it it's like. recklessness too just just crazy power. you know when he fights kobal the first. time you know and he hits him with 26. punch you got to see the shot. that he was never 200 fights never been. knocked out in his life he was the first.

guy to do that and then you see after. the fight when he's down the whole place. is quiet nobody moves and then Rob camon. jumps in the ring with a Dutch flag and. he starts parading pull pull that fight. up man uh Rob K not Rob C Ramone Deckers. versus koban koban lakam Cho Tang right. is that how you say it yeah just do. koban just go I always did it with these. po names you know. say okay I call him by his first name. the the tie names are pretty crazy the.

the amount of adverbs and adjectives. they have in. there [ __ ] like whatever it's so. strange yeah the the uh the amount of. consonants all just lumped in together. and all these crazy names here it is oh. this is this not guy but but but just. take a little look just see what kind of. power he has look at that hook the kick. bnk oh yeah look at that left hook man. Rob Cayman the difference between Rob. Cayman yeah here it is Rob Cayman was.

just more technical he didn't take as. many chances he didn't get hit as much. he was very smart very technical when he. fought and he's a great trainer too you. know Rob Cayman was really one of the. guys that was responsible for Brandon. ver early in his career you know when. Brandon Vera was knocking everybody dead. in the UFC early in his career he was. training with Rob Cayman and when he. stopped training with Rob Cayman is when. things started like not going so well. for him yep oh this is Coban this is a. slow motion some they they show koban. now knocking people out I think so they.

know who koban is uh they called him the. buffal hat that was his nickname because. he never went down well he had a giant. head yeah this is see if they can show. some go a little further I don't want to. see maybe that's it where you are yeah. but I don't want to see slow-mo I want. to see them there we go now they're. actually fighting this is going to be so. crazy the way he gives him the extra. punch watch in the bit you'll see it so. Ramon like most of the time fought.

Southpaw is that what it was no he. fought Orthodox yep fought both so most. of the time when he fights different is. because he has an injury like you said. oh this is Lawrence kenin uh Kenshin uh. who's an amazing uh like analyst he does. a fantastic job of breaking down fights. his his fight breakdowns are amazing but. he does a lot of it in slow motion to. show technique so see if you could find. just the actual fight instead of that. video because La mean you should. definitely if you're a fan of striking. and you want to understand it a little.

bit a little bit better watch Lawrence's. stuff what is the uh his YouTube channel. Lawrence's YouTube channel because. should gave him some props just his name. Lawrence Kenshin he's amazing Lawrence. is amazing he does such a great job of. breaking down fights his videos are. incredible and um he really deserves a. lot of credit for that I love watching. his breakdowns especially Tai he loves a. lot of Muay Thai lot of Muay Thai. breakdown so here's the actual fight. itself man and these are the these are. like in a lot of ways like unprecedented.

times because the ties back in in those. days we we were used to karate and we. were used to uh PKA kickboxing yeah yeah. 10 kicks WKA did hat first people didn't. know and then when westerners started. going over to Thailand and competing. against the ties we started seeing what. high level Muay Thai they had and their. kicking technique and especially the low. kicks was just devastating that was the. first the the the American Champions.

here when they came when they lost it. was loix yeah but remember Rus went and. fought and it's kind of funny because. Duke Rufus talks about it he kind of. laughs about it now that they were. saying when when his brother got [ __ ]. up I forget who was brother F but he got. lit up with leg kicks and stopped and. Duke was like well there's not a lot of. technique to that and you know I don't. think there doesn't take much talent it. takes a lot of [ __ ] Talent a lot of. talent they didn't know you this hand. look at these heads b b look at this God. this is it Ramon Deckers in his prime.

look at koban gets the finishing punch. he's going to give watch one two three. oh my God the [ __ ] power in his hands. how tough was. koban look at him he's he's out on his. feet he's walking forward they giving. him a standing a count that the last. right hand watch that in the in the this. is going to be so badass it's amazing. how much koban could take though Bo oh. this one oh that's said now watch look. at the audience yeah there's only a.

Dutch guys everybody is quiet yeah man. and then you see uh Cayman coming. in wa oh that's Cayman and he's GNA get. the flag I. remember man how [ __ ] tough was koban. too to take those shots a lot of people. lost a lot of money there I mean there's. not a whole lot of people on the planet. that are his weight that would have. taken those punches as many as he took. clean to the face and you saw yeah he's. got the.

flag and and Ramon Deckers was just. teeing off full power I mean winging. those shots in on them too man you know. Hammer such a scary guy yeah man Glory. Days well he's up there now with Kevin. so they're having a blast yeah yeah he. and he he died young as well he died a. heart attack while he was riding his. bike his bike yeah what was that did. they know what happened no they first. thought maybe he fell but it was it was. his heart and he's also because we all. been crazy every we we all liked going.

push pushing limits you know with we. were drinking with everything and but he. was totally like a year nothing was. started cycling and I knew you know once. he starts something and he loved cycling. I mean this guy is going to go 50 miles. an hour I know he's going to because. that's how who he is he can't stop being. the best at everything he does so I. thought so he wasn't just riding his. bike he's probably going crazy with it. yeah that's his attitude animal such an. animal yeah he probably pushed himself. to his heart broke and also when you see.

him you know all the all the punishment. he got in tie with all the cuts on his. forehead you know he looks really badass. when you look at him you go like oh yeah. that's yeah I want that well I remember. when he fought Dwayne lwig towards the. end of his career go deep into I mean. his face was flattened out his massive. Scar Tissue all over his eyes his nose. was flattened out yeah I mean uh he took. a lot of pun I don't think anybody's. face changed more more than vander's. though yeah that yeah his face got. flattened I mean you look at vanderlay.

during the old Valley tudo days and then. vandelay towards the end in Pride I mean. it changed his face did didn't they do. Sergio with the cheekbones like Nick. Diaz did you know to make him flatter or. something was in the UFC they not they. not only did that they took cartilage. out of his rib and reconstructed his. nose and vanderly had his nose made big. so that he could get more air in he I. mean it looked crazy because he his nose. looks very different than it used to. look like I remember the first time I. saw him was uh on the way he was like.

for the weigh-ins he wasn't fighting he. was with someone else and he came up the. stage and I didn't know who the [ __ ] it. was yeah I didn't know who it was that. scary and someone said that's vanderlay. and I went what what because he had just. gotten the surgery so his face was. pulled tight his eyebrows were pulled. tight and his nose was big yeah it was. like he had his nose made much larger. with a big piece of carage so that they. could take punches. oh yeah you see that's that's the same. with the stupid ears you know with those.

cauliflower ears I sucked them out three. times a day you got to stab through it. and you have they need a big syringe and. a large needle because I do not want to. have those ears they go oh no they're. considerate Trophies i okay good for you. not for me I always wore ear guards I. have a little tiny pieces of it here and. there but I always wore ear guards it's. just it's just not smart it's it affects. your hearing like it looks cool but it. affects the way the reason the ear is. designed that way so the sound Echoes. off the outside of the ear and you can.

hear better yeah like if you take your. ear like folks who don't have. cauliflower ear take your ear go over. the top of your ear and bend it down. that's what those guys are hearing like. all the time like Randy Randy can't even. use iPhone ear pods those ear ear ear. plug they put in things I had guy also. yeah they walk around with a Bluetooth. and I said how how can you listen to. that thing I mean it's a thing it's not. even an ear well Randy told me too his. you know what happens with what it is is. calcification so when your ear breaks.

and bleeds if you don't drain it it. actually turns to calcium what don't how. that so it's like a bone so what Randy. would do is get on top of guys and grind. his ear into their eyeball he would get. his ear like when he's taking guys down. he shove his ear right it's like he had. a rock something very wrong with this. guy there it is there look at that yeah. well and and just that the people know. at home a really tiny surgery can fix. this right away yeah I mean they can fix. this in in in 10 minutes yeah one of.

Eddie Bravo's black belts uh Brent he. had it done he had his uh his ear cut. and then they pulled it back and they. pulled the stuff out but it can it can. get very dangerous too you can get some. infections in there like you remember. Dave Terrell yeah I remember Dave. Terrell had his ear [ __ ] removed cuz. he had such he had his ear removed they. had a cauterize the inside of his ear. cuz his infections were so bad that it. like it was [ __ ] with his equilibrium. his balance was off like the whole. inside of his ear was just puss and. infections the the the Kimbo against. Thompson James Thompson fight when he.

they called it like a satellite was Hing. he hits it and you see the blood spling. well he went in there with I mean he. didn't not only did he not drain it it. was like a recent blood it was like it. was like he had a mouse living in his. ear yeah it was big oh that was nasty. yeah and then he hits it that was nasty. yeah splatter well probably no one's. worse than Jessica I versus uh Laura. Laura Smith was it Laura Smith what was. her name the gun Leslie Leslie Smith.

thank you and Jessica eye hits her an. ear and you see the blood shoot straight. up in the air from her ear it was insane. it would be crazy if she hits she sees. the blood flying and then go tried to. catch it you know that means your. opponent is crazy you see it right there. look at that it's insane and half of her. ear was hanging off her head and by the. way how tough is Leslie Smith because. Leslie Smith was mad that they stopped. the fight she had a [ __ ] whole that. you could see her brain oh I've always. been a big fan of Leslie Smith that's.

her nickname right the Gunslinger or. something that's a it's a what is her. nickname something like a western I I. don't know yeah I don't know her Nick. but it it fits her because she's it does. that tough and Jessica just start. targeting that that one spot over and. over again oh was disgusting that was a. that was a nasty ear man that was a bad. yeah I never got that people you see I. will be too nice at that moment I won't. I won't hit that ear anymore because. people go like hit the air again I go. The Peacemaker see so well that's Clint.

Eastwood I thought about Clint. Eastwood The Peacemaker yeah I got a. sick shot here well woman's MMA is. really heating up right now right with. Yan yonek oh I love her. wooo H again yeah she's fun man that. chick is wild she breaks her hands a lot. too unfortunately she's broke her hands. in two UFC fights so far yeah yeah yeah. the in the first uh first rounds right. the last fight that's why she couldn't. finish he said yeah total animal yeah. she's tough as [ __ ] I love also the way. she gets in in in the in their head you.

know the way in looking that story. behind it she gets low and looks at her. from below She's Dangerous she's. dangerous but claa gadea is a [ __ ]. beast too that's a great fight and. they're going to coach alongside each. other they're going to coach on The. Ultimate Fighter and then they're going. to fight yeah and they're going to fight. the day before the big July UFC 200 card. oh wow yeah so they're going to have the. finals on Friday where The Ultimate. Fighter finals and then they're going to. fight for the title Yano yon J and CLA.

gadea and then they're going to have the. big 200 card which they don't even know. exactly who's going to fight in the 200. card and I mean that's July so a lot. depends on Conor McGregor versus Dos ano. see now now this just for Joanna I would. want to see the The Ultimate Fighter now. you know because that that's going to be. interesting because her personality I. think uh oh yeah it's going to make it. well you know and gadella also I mean an. animal well they fought and it was was a. split decision decision very close fight. and the way the cadela looks right her.

her body yes it's like an uh also like a. machine very good Muay Thai too but. really good ground game yep so the. question is was she going to be able to. get it to the ground because uh Joanna. Hur her in the first round knocked her. down and won that round but a lot of. people thought that Claudia might have. won the second and third so it was a. very close fight very close fight very. controversial and very tightly disputed. fight so I think the rematch gonna be. very exciting I'm looking forward to. that who's the J Dre chick work with as.

for wrestling you that's a good question. that's a good question I don't know who. her uh wrestling coach is yeah but I. think she does a lot of her work in. Poland you know because she lives in. Poland so I mean there's so many good. European wrestling coaches you know. Europe and wrestling there's a lot of uh. great uh like especially they they bring. in a lot of Eastern block uh wrestlers a. lot of the Russian wrestlers like that's. what how George St Pierre got so good. yeah the Russian Nationals who are. training up in Montreal you go I go TR. you so technical too you know those guys.

the Russian style of wrestling is so. technical so drill oriented you know. there's so many uh really high level I. mean look at what's happening now in the. UFC with all these SBO Guys these. highlevel uh Grapplers like um um well. first of all you've got uh khabib. nurmagamedov who's one of the best in. the lightweight division but he's. another one that has a hard time staying. healthy mhm you know you but but you do. you think it's the training or you think. it's just the person who knows you know.

it could be both you know I mean he's. such a [ __ ] animal you you see the. way he fights you got to think he trains. that way and the way he fights is he's. so grinding he's so [ __ ] attacking. and Relentless like a badger you know so. who knows yeah I I I always I I was. train I was guilty of that as well I. trained really hard like but when I hear. stories I hear Fighters saying oh we go. uh like on Friday we Spar like 70% and I. go n and he said no that's it I say.

that's the that's it for sparring yeah I. wow and they always ask so how many. times you do I said every workout. because that's what we're going to do. you know and we're going to try to I'll. try to hurt your legs well if you have. to fight I won't but and your body I. will go with kicks to and I expect them. also to go hard with me and the hat you. know yeah of course we watch out for the. head we don't knock each other out too. much too much too much because it. happens as well right it's inevitable. but that's why when I I didn't fight for.

seven years when I did that 2006 fight I. felt great they say no ring rust I said. no because we're doing it two times a. day we're trying we're training out you. know and if you're used to it it's the. same as a fight I mean if they go hard. well that's a fight yeah it's well it's. very similar if you train like that some. people feel like I mean that's one of. the ideas behind hard training is that. when you train hard you fight hard and. it becomes normal to you but then other. people think well you really should just. train technical like a lot of the ties.

do they train more Technical and more. light with their sparring and the hard. work is all pad work and bag work so. there's people that think like that's. the way to save yourself like Wonderboy. says that he says he spars are very. light you know because he wants to. preserve his chin wants to preserve his. head he's like he saves the the hard. work for the bag and for fights I I I. used to train a lot with my buddy Amir. Amir peretz the you know the the Navy. seala guy from Israel and um he um he's. the one guy who could hang with me and I. mean stamina wise because I will not.

knock him out we but we will go people. who see us they think it's out of. control but it's not at all so it's also. about who you train with if one one day. you're your steady sparring partner is. sick and somebody else pops up and you. don't know that guy and that guy tries. to make a name for himself you know. that's when you get the injuries yeah. but I truly believe in going hard how. many times do you see it I really. angers me if I see guys in a clinch. kneeing other people and they knee him.

like they knee in training they just. lift their legs nobody gives a real knee. look at Joanna when she makes a knee now. that's a different story or alist. explode in there yeah go full blast they. go stupid or the knees to the thighs. it's not going to do anything if you do. it like that if you do one heart one. it's worse than a loic because they. don't expect it the muscle is relax it. go straight through but nobody does it. there's yeah there's a few I mean we're. talking about 1% of the fighters but. isn't it though like all techniques like. some guys just aren't that good at.

certain techniques they just don't have. the kind of pop like you'll see guys. throw kicks and there's just nothing to. them and it's not that they're not. trying is that they don't have the. looseness of the hips they don't have. that that sort of snap into the kick no. they I most of the time it's it's just. technique if you if you train your legs. and you put like 10 pound ankle weights. and you just start throwing knees from. zero don't don't make it an a bouncing. like um situps mhm I can do a thousand. sit-ups as long as I use momentum to get. back up right that's the problem what a.

lot of guys do they they do the knees. it's all momentum stand still explode. stand still explode and the trick also. with knees is to move your hips away. from your partner same as with a. straight punch the longer the knee is on. its way the more power it's going to. have right and these guys they don't. they they actually they teach throw your. hips in with a knee to the body it's the. dumbest thing to do it's like me giving. you a straight punch and closing the. distance I'm jamming myself you don't. want to do that free it up let the hip. flexor do the work and at the moment you. connect yeah that's when you want to.

push your weight in you see but a lot of. guys don't do it like that they just. need like they do in training and. sparring do you get frustrated at when I. mean obviously there's some very high. level training going on in MMA some very. high level training but there's also. some training where you see these guys. like they're just not really prepared. correctly yeah well kicking in the balls. you know the the inside logic uh 90%. when it happens it's just because the. guy doesn't know how to get kick cuz. he's kicking up he kicking up his right. foot if he kicks with the left his right. foot his toes I guarantee you pointing.

straight to the opponent what they need. to do is open that foot let the toes. point to the side and then the angle is. much easier to kick you will never have. that problem these are just guys who. don't know how to kick and that's why. they kick you in the pills well it's. interesting because this that kick to. the balls is so much more common in MMA. than it is in Muay Thai or in glory. because they exactly they're throwing. the kick kick you know we were talking. about Glory getting before the this uh. started we're talking about Glory. getting picked up by Fight Pass how. exciting that is Glory right now is so.

good there's so much highlevel. kickboxing talent in the world and now. that you know Glory picked up it's. showtime and K1 is not really around. anymore I mean glory is the game that's. it he got the best guys on the planet. yeah you know goans saki even yeah he. got injured now but uh what happened to. him I don't know I don't know I just. found out you know Maru told me because. he was uh going to maybe do that show I. think maybe it's Ron CR falling in for. him but um saki that's that's a guy who.

was like Tyson and that's what I teach a. lot double rights double left punches. you know everybody has a pattern um the. fight that really upset me is Pacquiao. against. Mayweather rwea is hanging against the. the the ropes Pacquiao is just unloading. but everything is left right left right. left right left right now if you take a. Mike Tyson suddenly throws in a left. uppercut liver shot or a spleen right. uppercut double Right double left you. mix that into to a pattern because if. you throw a boxer in the corner and you. start unloading on him with right left.

right left right left punches that's a. pattern they just punch yeah but if you. go left right right left left B Bo and. you change the second punch as well like. a three shot with a left hook and then. you go to the body while keep looking in. his eyes or a left uppercut change the. angle of the punch but use the same arm. that's when you get really effective and. you see this in boxing and tie boxing. everybody who does it is really. effective at it yet he didn't do it they. got paid $80 million $180 million you. would expect to do that you had a. shoulder injury that doesn't prevent him.

from throwing a double left or double. right Mike Tyson spleen right uper cut I. think he knocked six out guys out like. that bang bang over unusual patterns yep. that's it yeah did you ever see the well. John Wayne par has got a [ __ ] amazing. highlight reel but I put one of them on. uh my Instagram page the other day where. he hits this guy with like seven. uppercuts in a row with the right side. is bang bang bang bang bang like you. can't prepare you don't know the guy's. going to do that I do this yesterday in. my class double right upper cut left too. people don't know double left I had uh.

Hector Peña he he three left uppercuts. and the second the third one the guy. fell already down he hit him on the way. down three left uppercuts the John Wayne. par highlight I love this highlight he. such a look at this boom boom boom yeah. he's an animal if one is good two is. better John Wayne par is a wild. [ __ ] he really is great guy too. total animal he also came up with that. striking organ ation where he lives with. the MMA gloves pretty much right it's. his.

Tha anybody who doesn't do that why they. don't do that here well they should and. maybe he can bring it to the United. States but you know what he wanted to do. is have like cage like he likes the cage. he likes the fact that you're trapped in. there and he likes the small gloves yeah. so he like let's just do this and [ __ ]. the ground game let's just strike like. this I love a guy like that yeah he's a. wild guy man he's fun Have You Ever Seen. The the pictures of his face like how. many times he's been stitched up oh no I. can only imagine there's a picture of. John Wayne parr's face after one of his.

fights where his entire face is like a. road map of stitches it's [ __ ] crazy. like see if you can find that picture. because it's one of those pictures you. just you just look at you start shaking. your head and blinking like what the. [ __ ] his whole face is like patched. together look at look at this Photograph. look at this oh Jesus Christ it's real. yes that is the craziest thing it's one. fight it's one fight his entire face it. was a TI guy. oh yeah he got the [ __ ] elbowed out of. him wow it's it's such an insane photo.

he's over yeah he's over 300 stitches in. his face 300 wow yeah well and he well. the ears are still good at least he. doesn't have the cauliflower he's got a. little cauliflower left one he's been. hit there as well yeah it's from Shots. yeah not really from grappling he fought. one MMA fight but you know he's just. never really trained grappling it's not. really his thing yeah you know but. [ __ ] as Muay Thai goes I trained with. him I got a chance to work out with him.

and learn some techniques from him. everything he throws is with power the. way he throws a jab he pulls the right. hand back as he throws the jab like he. doesn't just jab like a boxer would. throw a jab the way he Jabs he's like. pulling back the right and stepping. forward he's. like everything he throws is designed to. kill you you that's but that's been been. my my thing also I like it like that. everything you throw make him when you. said in the beginning I kick somebody. and you see their faces and I I don't. care if they block it I just kick as.

hard as I can on the defense just to get. inside their heads that they know that. you better block this kick because next. time if you're not blocking it you're. going to have it's it's going to be a. problem you know and then you start. breaking your opponent down mentally hit. him or hold the hands up high just hit. as hard as you can on the hands yeah a. lot of guys don't do that they truly. believe that this is enough defense for. like a a right hook it's not it's like. me putting on a helmet I say this in um. in um seminars at seminars say Okay. imagine I would tape a focus mitt to my.

face and you can give me a straight. punch or a hook you think I go down and. everybody goes yeah of course you're. gonna go down I say so why is everybody. doing this yeah you make yourself one. with your head I'm just going to hit. your hand as hard as I can you will. still go down yeah you know but what. happens in the mind of a fighter as soon. as I hit you and I see your hand going. up automatically I let my power off. because it's like oh it's it's defended. but if you just don't care or close line. him like I said in the beginning they'll.

go straight through yeah when you. started throwing kicks in the pancreas. days I remember you know cuz I came from. a kicking background there was not that. many good kickers in MMA before Mory. Smith fought Conan we really didn't see. that many head kick Kos in MMA Y and. especially against a black belt when. morrice fought Conan silviera this was. the first time that was in um um. no it was in that other one it was in. the John predy organization wasn't it. like John Battle Cade extreme Fighting.

yeah extreme Fighting yeah and that was. the first time I was like okay now we're. finally seeing a guy who can throw some. kicks in MMA but the first time really. was you in pancreas because you would. and they make you wear those crazy boots. yeah you had like wrestling shoes on. with a big boot Shin Shin in Step thing. yeah but you still would slam that kick. into their arms and just you'd see like. nobody wants to whole pads for a guy. like that forget about like getting it. on your raw arm but that you know it's. it's a great way to go into a fight.

because you know you can you're capable. of doing that so you only have to. connect you know and if you know that. you only have to connect just wait and. connect and I also I'm not the guy who. likes to get hit you know I don't mind. but I'm I rather not so I just use. movement right you know and then uh and. then just explode at moments that you. need to explode how many finders are you. training right now do you train any. active guys no you I I train a few guys. at my gym uh um but I've been traveling. a lot now so uh the coaches that I have. at my gym are training them but we got.

uh only three uh three pros and then a. bunch of amateur guys so you're you're. still doing inside MMA W with uh Ken Ken. and um you do World Series of fighting. still World Series of fighting actually. this weekend coming up on uh what is it. Saturday this Saturday on NBCSN really. okay nice yeah mores is fighting again. he's very talented I like his footwork. too that's a guy that people sleep on. yeah they don't really realize how. talented that gu is and it's unfortunate. the world series of fighting is not. getting as much attention as it deserves.

M yeah well there's a lot of MMA out. there now you know it's very hard to. pull eyeballs to it but it's the same. with Glory Glory doesn't have the. eyeballs which blows me away because if. there's something exciting you know it's. glory it's a glory event and that Justin. gagey kid too oh what an animal [ __ ]. Savage yeah he's uh he's fun that guy's. fun fun to watch I you know. he should tone a little down I always. say but you know maybe it's his fight. style and he just wants to go because.

sometimes he gets hit hard and I think. eventually we had that with Klay G Al. you know like fighter us eventually it's. going to break yeah something he's going. to give yeah you can only get hit hard. and just walk through things so much. until eventually your body doesn't. cooperate anymore and then most of the. time once that happens it's going to. happen a lot so there's a lot of crazy. [ __ ] going on right now in MMA um the. big one to me the one that I'm most. exciting about is March 5th Conor. McGregor versus Dos anges that is a. [ __ ] crazy fight first of all who the.

hell has ever been like Connor yep well. I mean the best [ __ ] talker of all time. hilarious I I'm I'm I'm I'm in love with. the guy I uh I love him I love. everything about him we had him on the. show he's funny is you know everything. he does every speech he does it's. different it's not like he's repeating. everything I do like if I do an. interview before and it's about let's. say a movie you know you you say the. same thing over and over again but he. doesn't no you know and he doesn't. really use profanity as well so it keeps. it clean but very imposing yeah you can.

use it on television oh so great you. know and how about when he we the El. Choo shirt oh how crazy is he who does. that but you see but he's make gets in. everybody's head that's why he he beat. the Aldo you could tell you could simply. tell everybody can say oh no I'm I'm. used to that I grew up on the street. Rafel do an says that also I said event. it's going to come through you know you. got to start doing something back you. know there's a few fun things that you.

always can Doan is not engaging him I. like the way dos anos is handling it. he's just letting him talk and he's like. when we fight this will not matter yeah. you know he's just like solid and stoic. I think he's also learning the lesson of. how Aldo sort of got rattled by it and. he's not going to get Ratt I think dos. angos is a different guy Doan is uh look. at this he's even doing the Chapo. pose Chapo was shaking hands with Sean p. in that picture he's so [ __ ] crazy I. love him God that guy is [ __ ] awesome.

it's hilarious and he can [ __ ] fight. he can fight got great reflexes I mean. his timing is really good he's using his. reach really well and the way faras. zahabi described his left hands farasa. hob by the way did an amazing breakdown. if you're listening to this go to. YouTube farasa habab who in my mind is. one of the true great masters of MMA. training he does an amazing breakdown of. this fight but the way he grabs Connor. he's like he's got the touch of death in. that left hand and is true he just. lights guys up with that left hand plus.

it's laser guided you know it's it's on. target it's not just he just doesn't hit. the head he hit your jaw yeah he's so. ACC so accurate and so and so beautiful. with his footwork the way he slid out of. the way of all those advance and just. dropped that left hand in just but you. know. RDA this guy you know in the beginning I. go he's always under the radar right and. suddenly he's boom there and he's just. beating everybody I mean Cerrone I never. expected that he's a Monster yeah he.

really is well a lot of what's going on. too is his conditioning is off the. charts he's working with Nick kerson. who's one of the U Disciples of Marv. marinovich and they've got him doing. these crazy explosive plyometric drills. and all these footwork drills and have. you ever seen his training routine. you're realizing they got a [ __ ]. oxygen mask on them and he's throwing. body shots on the bag it's all this. incredible brutal breakdown for for. strength and conditioning so that he. could really go five rounds like that.

there's no such thing as having enough. stamina that's what I always tell. everybody there's no such thing you got. to go all the way that's why I trained. so hard because I don't want to have. that I had experience in tie boxing one. time when I run out of gas it's not fun. and especially in you know longer rounds. and with an opponent seeing you know he. goes is he getting tired no they get. wings you know they turn it on and. you're in a bad spot. yeah it's the worst thing in the world. to see an opponent notice that you're. tired and he's not and he's coming after.

you and he starts dropping low kicks on. you and punching you in the face and and. you can't do anything your body's not. cooperating and it's get worse because. then your breathing starts going wrong. the breathing pattern it's not relaxed. anymore you have to start flexing. because the the punches are coming it'll. take your stamina even more away stamina. is a weapon stamina is a weapon it. really is I mean look at Nick Diaz who. is a guy who fought so many guys and. outworked them I mean the Frank Shamrock. fight is a perfect example of that fight. he he just kept popping them with.

punches like 50% punches but he's. hitting them and he can't breathe. because when when a punch person is. punching you even if they're punching. you and it's not full blast you're still. tightening up so you don't get a chance. to breathe and Nick Diaz just doesn't. get tired does ultramarathons the. [ __ ] guy swam from Alcatraz twice I. mean he's he's in incredible shape he's. done triathlons I don't know if he's. done ultramarathons probably take that. back but swimming from Alcatraz is a. [ __ ] crazy Endeavor current he's done. it twice well Pettis for instance I.

thought he was never going to lose and. and the only times he was losing was. against guys with great stamina you know. Klay g and an RDA who just keep pushing. the fight yeah you know and grappling. grappling witho yeah I think physically. Pettis is not strong enough for those. guys guys like dos anos that just put it. to him more Eddie Alvarez who just put. it to him the physical like they turn it. into one of those grueling wrestling. matches I mean I think it's takedown. defense is pretty good and I think his. grappling is not bad he won the title. with an armar against Henderson but I.

just think physically when it comes to. these grueling exchanges I just don't. know if he's physically strong enough to. fight that kind of fight with legga do. sanos y or even Eddie Alvarez in that. fight yeah well footwork again they. going to he needs he's going to need a. lot of foood work like a maras he stops. take Downs by well he doesn't even stop. and just moves out the way moves out of. the way and lights guys up too and his. power too that's a big thing and Pettis. has a lot of power too I'm not counting. Pettis out Pettis could easily come back. and and win the title again I he's a. monster y but I I never expected him to.

lose I I thought because this complete. package here we see a great Striker with. great submissions take down Defence I go. okay this is the guy put him on the wedi. box he put away Cerrone even better and. more impressive than dos sanjos did yeah. that was the craziest thing dos sanjos. he hurt Cerrone and battered him up. against the cage but I thought that the. the stoppage was so weird because they. looked at the referee and he's telling. the referee to stop the fight and dosan. has Cerrone cerrone's turtled up he's. still covering up I don't know when a. fight should be stopped in that.

situation when a guy's a guy gets hurt. to the body he's obviously hurt but dos. Angelos is hitting him and cowboys. covering up like when do you stop a. fight like if a guy's covering up and. you're hitting his arms when he's stop. like he's trying to get back up to his. feet like when does a fight get stopped. when is it okay because some referees. wouldn't have stopped the fight y you're. right here's a perfect example right. Chris weyman versus Luke rockold when. Luke Rock got on top of Chris Weidman at. the end of the round was beating the. [ __ ] out of him I was saying they should. stop that fight like he's not defending.

himself but I like that's not the same. as like the the cowboy Cerrone dos Ang. fight I'm like man that was a little bit. of a more controversial stop yeah. because it's still under the defense. yeah no they shouldn't they shouldn't. stop only on he going to do if he. doesn't doesn't cover up he's going to. get hit with a punch so he's got to. cover up and when you're covering up and. the guys boom boom boom boom boom. there's not a lot you can do if because. you got to put your hand down to get up. and if you put your hand down to get up. you're going to get tagged so it's it's. kind of it's It's almost like a guy can.

have a fight stopped without you being. in real trouble although cowboy was. certainly in trouble but it's it's a. weird little kind of a it's up it's so. subjective you know it's it's up to the. referee to decide it's a very hard. decision that's why I don't want to be a. referee it's a very hard decision to. make it really is it's never good never. correct but you're there for the safety. of the fighters if they don't you know. they're on the ground they don't defend. them I say stop right away if they. really because they don't that's why. they're doing it I mean you you know how. like a big John he tells me and I I've. seen him doing it against the fighters.

in the dressing room he'll tell him do. not come to me after the fight that if. you lay on the ground and the guy hits. you and you're just bugling up I will. stop the fight yeah and he says it two. or three times do not come to me after. the fight and complain about it because. you know right now improve your position. and sometimes you you don't see that um. also with for instance a guillotine. attempts or or you see guys who defend. the guillotine like a standing still and. I go don't defend the guillotine you.

know go for position make sure that you. get close you hold the head make sure he. doesn't jump guard because as if you. defend well look at Pat Milotic against. hzo Grace in the IFL he's defending the. choke and yeah he's he's jumps guard now. he's got him Ronda Rousey against Kush. you know she got that crazy crank on the. on her head and instead of Defending. what people say oh defend it defend it. no no she didn't she defend the position. she grabbed theot feet unlocked the feet. and she got out she took a chance that. she took a chance and that's what people. should do on the ground also they said.

to me yeah but if they hit you I say. Escape buck up move to this If You Buck. up they're going to have to look for. balance make sure they never sit on your. chest push them always to your belly if. you can't push him to your belly you. hold the knees and you push yourself. upwards same result he's sitting on your. belly but you got to go you got to move. how easy it is um is it for you if if. somebody mounts you to go to put him in. at least a half guard well you got to. really easy right I think a lot of guys. don't train off their back that much. it's the craziest thing it drives me. nuts get them in the car man why Mount.

position it shouldn't even be happening. you go to the side mount position when. they can stop you is only when they put. they stretch you out they hook their. feet you know but then there's not a lot. they can do because you just sto their. arms well it's interesting when you see. different levels of of their game off. their back like Brian Ortega have you. been watching that guy fight Jesus. [ __ ] Christ his triangles are good. his guard game is so good and he's one. of those guys he's like a gold standard. for how to fight off your back when they.

get him on his back he is just attacking. attacking like you you're not going to. get him stagnant where he's just lying. there waiting for the referee to stand. him back up that's and when you've got. that kind of a ground game off your back. it's a totally new dimension for your. opponents they're used to taking a guy. down and maybe throwing some body. punches with him you're [ __ ]. defending defending the whole legs are. up on your neck and you got to try to. posture up and get out of there that's. the gold standard and that's what. everybody should aspire to to have that. kind of a dangerous ground game yeah.

that's why I thought um um for instance. um Johnny Hendricks versus um Wonder Boy. no no no no uh oh my God how can I. forget him he's one of Carlos Condit the. national B you I was going to say I mean. I thought Condit won that because he's. constantly attacking on the ground you. know and if somebody's on top of you and. you hit you once every what time that. shouldn't count if the strike undefeat. if it if it goes to a decision and. nobody get really hurt but the guy who's.

constantly attacking is going to win the. fight right okay why so why doesn't that. count on the ground yeah I agree just. because the guy's on top doesn't mean. he's winning no how about the fact that. that's how you won the title versus. Kevin. R strike that was not even with. submission at but like man there was. Rand took you down and you just kept. attacking from your back yeah that. that's what McCarthy said later I didn't. put him back on the feet because B was. working from his back that was the. reason they didn't put us back on the. feet but you know if you have a guy guys. like Carlos con or what you saw a lot of.

Pride also great groundwork and they're. constantly attacking and then they get. rewarded for that after the fight they. actually win the fight and it should be. because people go yeah but the defense. is also no no it's not about the defense. same as the strike it's not about that. you know it's about the guy who takes. the chances because we all know if you. have somebody in the guard you go for. number there's a high possibility he's. going to be in s Mount now that's a. worst position for you so you're taking. risks and if you're willing to take. those risks they should be rewarded well. I also like Pride I like that 10-minute.

first round that was good H makes it. makes it more strategical yeah you. really can't burn out in the beginning. that was the thing with panras in the. beginning with 30 minute fights that's. why the ARs came on my hand because that. means rustic which is relax because I. was such a hot hat in in tie boxing like. somebody hits me oh dude m i just knock. him out you know and I go man these. Japanese guys are known to for being. tough if this happens the first three. minutes I got 27 more minutes to go you. know if I'm empty that's not a good. thing so stay calm stay calm you start.

being more strategical so pancreas was. there any rounds or was it just 30 30. minute at the end in in the end there. were a few on the like the undercard. were 10-minute fights but most of the. time was everything was 15 minutes and. the title fights in the end was 30 in. the beginning the first year and a half. was round yeah wow yeah well that's. that's a real strategic fight I'm a fan. of that though I like that I like that. too but but you know uh and again if you. look at some UFC fights where they just.

lay lay lay then you know in the old. days remember without the standups yeah. then it becomes kind of boring but that. was one of the things when I moved to. panras I always tell this story but when. I saw my opponent he was 45 pounds. heavier and I asked when the weigh-in. was he says there's no weighin he we. everybody fights everybody I go oh. that's great nice I was just bluffing of. course and I go okay so how many rounds. we got one round one round awesome how. many minutes 30 go awesome awesome and I. look at my manager I go dude 30 minute.

fight 45 more pounds than me as opposed. to a three minute kickboxing fight. that's that's what I was thinking round. kickboxing I came for kickboxing yeah. yeah so yeah that opened my eyes a. little bit there and you become more. strategical that's a good thing well. it's also good for Grapplers when they. work like say if you have a 5 minute. fight or a 5 minute round and you work. for 4 minutes and 30 seconds to get the. fight to the ground you only have 30. seconds to try to secure a submission. whereas if you take a guy to the ground. in a 10-minute fight and you're 4 minute. and 30 seconds now you have 5 minutes.

and 30 seconds to try to finish him. which is a lot of time yeah but you know. there there's always the other side of. the metal you know you you can say uh. well you should have taken them down. sooner yeah or or these guys that say. yeah but I I just need more work on the. ground well just go. faster this is the game you have to. adapt and not the other way around yeah. well you could definitely look at it. that way what do you think about uh. Fabricio ROM returning against Kane I. think it's uh it's going to be a great. fight I I think again like for okay we. know that stemina played a big factor.

huge but um for Doom man he's only been. on a on on an arrow that's going. straight up since since Pride yeah I. mean always that fight that he lost. against aliser it really lose I think if. you would count the punches and the. kicks that alist get it because I was. afraid at the time because I was at Al's. he was a big friend of mine at the time. and I go oh because fom hit him more. yeah connected more only you know well. verom blew his knee out too in that. fight yeah see so and ver striking now.

with cadero he's they just working. really well together say with RDA and. everybody there they're doing just a. phomen cardo is just what a great. striking coach that guy is yeah he's. done an amazing job yeah because he's a. he's a you can talk to the guy they they. barbecue together they you know he's. there in your best interest that's. Dwayne Ludwick same guy the late Sean. Tomkins all these guys there are all the. way there I remember stories with sea we. would come home partying 5 6 in the. morning he would go straight as if if it.

was the day of the way in straight to. the sauna with the guys putting him. helping him Focus mid if they want to. lose right he never ever missed a beat. you know and like Dwayne has it also a. lot of trainers have that but there a. whole bunch of trainers you know as well. as I do who don't have that yeah well. you got to be completely obsessed to be. a great train I mean that's what makes. lwig so good he's completely obsessed. yes and that those the mean it's the. same with a fighter it's the same with. anything if you're not completely. obsessed you're just not going to reach. your potential that's it you need to.

like it also I was talking about that. yesterday it's um you can have all the. talent if you don't like it you if you. hear Fighters which blows my mind always. when I hear Quinton for inst says I hate. training and I go wow I love training I. want to get tired I want to try new. stuff I always loved it till the end. when I got my tonit and everything start. hurting really really bad you know then. you can even think straight anymore. that's when I stopped but before that I. always loved it and if you love. something you know same in school when.

you were a kid you know math well I. don't math but you were good at the. things that you liked biology oh I love. biology boom Ace you know it's it's all. the things that you like you. automatically do your best for it simple. yeah if you're a passionate person if. you're passionate about what you're. pursuing you're going to do better than. a person who's just doing it as a job. and Quinton has so much talent I and. unbelievable power he's got a fantastic. chin yeah right away aona pops up right. always oh my God always when you talk. about Quinn is the first and he arched.

even backwards yeah he didn't go. straight up he actually went a little. further and then that was the most. spectacular Slam ko. in the history of. MMA Ricardo Arona had him locked up in a. triangle and Quinton slammed him into. Oblivion and headbutted him too on the. way down I mean in advert and headbutt. but slammed him and then b boom then his. head slammed into him too oh my God that. was a horrific fight Ricard Ricardo. never never recovered from that fight. Ricardo I read a cool story about Kevin.

renle when he was talking I read on. Sherdog that he said he just fought. Kevin and he won he says for I was in. the dressing room by myself in in Japan. was nobody there and you know I was just. taken in he said because I would just. won the the most important fight of my. career and he said suddenly he sees a. shadow and he thinks it was renan so he. automatically he said at that time. everybody was fighting it was before. after it didn't really matter it was. this fighting thing and renman came in. and he thought there was going to be a. fight and renman walked up to him he. said dude great job congratulations you.

know you're awesome and he it blew me. away he said it it right away I saw the. monster as a different person that's so. hard now also with renman you you know. him everybody who knows him is such a. good guy yeah he was a great guy he was. a really friendly happy go-lucky guy. it's so unfortunate you know I don't I. don't know what happened with him and. and what happened with Shawn Tomkins how. did Shawn wind up ding you know this was. the saddest thing ever because when I. went to the uh funeral his um his he was.

in the in the coffin I didn't want to. see that I I did that one time with a. friend of mine I didn't like that so I. said I don't want to do it and his. mother it was so sad man it's she came. to me crying and and she said I he was. in he was home and that weekend she was. going to tell him that he had to go to. the doctor because in the family runs in. the family that they have enlarged. hearts and he needs to check that out. and that was what was going down there. it was no drugs no nut because people.

start of course the conspiracy theories. they didn't find anything find anything. wow and the crazy thing was I talked the. day before with Sean it was so weird. because then you guys announced it on. UFC and it was I go whoa Sean so I start. I started Googling but he it was so. weird he texted me something and I. thought for some reason I thought oh he. wants to talk to me because normally who. would text so I picked up the phone and. I called him and he was going out with. the Muscle Beach one of our friends that. we call him Muscle Beach and he was um.

he he Muscle Beach was drunk and he says. but I can't leave a man behind I'm going. to stay with him you know I'm going to. make sure he's going to be okay boom and. he kept going boss boss and the problem. that I was reading about didn't even. come up we start talking about. everything it was great great time he. says BOS I love you you know that I. really love you and then finally when we. hang up he start texting you know that I. love you you Tom the whole team Tomkins. loves you it was really weird he never. did that and the next day he passed away. wow so it was almost like he felt that.

it was going to happen wow that's crazy. that's crazy yeah he was another guy. that was really loved by the guys that. he. trained those relationships between. trainers and and students trainers and. Fighters are so important you know and. it's so hard for a fighter to find the. right trainer the right trainer that. fits their personality someone who's. technical you know someone who has also. that emotional bond that's the thing the. 100% commitment that's the thing and it.

being a fighter it's all sounds cool and. that's why a lot of guys don't make it. because they only want to look cool you. know you don't really fight for to fight. like once they Fighter start fighting. for money you know don't do that then. then then it's going downhill yeah but I. need a paycheck then don't fight find. find another job you need that. commitment you need be 100% And that's. the same with the trainers you know you. can be off for a little bit because this. guy is gonna go in the ring or in the. cage yeah and you have to make sure's. he's gonna stay safe yeah when you see a.

fighter that's only fighting for the. paycheck it's it very rarely works out. it just very rarely work not at a. championship level you know I mean it. might it might be okay at a journeyman. level you might pull it off if you're. tough and you're you're skilled but to. beat the best guys you have to be. obsessed like the best guys are obsessed. yeah you want to be the best it's not. about to Payday said I said that will. come if you are the best the payday will. be better but focus on getting good and. fighting for yourself I always say you.

know don't put your family up number one. spot I understand you want to do that. but you know once you start that means. that you care care care you it's a very. how do you say it it's um selfish it. should be selfish you should be I fight. for me I don't care the way I explain it. to my my my students when they for. instance they they're nervous I say okay. okay let's let's take a step back. imagine your opponent now and you go in. a room they lock the room and you guys. going to compete against each other.

whoever wins doesn't matter who wins. when the door opens you both of you are. not going to say who won or lost. nobody's going to say do you really care. if you lose at that moment and he goes. like no yeah because no because then. yeah he's just a better fighter right I. said so why do you care and then they. start realizing ah it's because the. people oh but he might think this and he. might think this and and see and that's. why I always say fight for yourself if. you lose you give it your all you are.

always a winner it doesn't matter you. know what bad is not going all the way. not using all your potential and then. lose because you didn't do that that's. something that after a fight you're. going to say oh man I could have gone. harder so why didn't you you know just. leave it all out there and if you leave. it all out there there's no excuses and. every other fighter will really enjoy. you winning or losing how many fighters. you have who who never became a champ. Champion but I hear all the other. Fighters talking about them say oh you. fight him oh dude really that guy's. crazy yeah you better prepare now.

because it's going to be a nightmare to. fight that guy you see that's what I. think is the most important if your. peers like it the way you fight you're. good you can't really lose yeah like a. guy like Chuck Liddell like where he has. that incredible fan base because he. always fought with everything he had and. whether he lost by knockout or won by. knockout people still loved him that's. it didn't lose a fan I always use Chuck. as an example and that's and that's what. every and I tell my students look at.

Chuck Ladell I want you to be like that. leave it out there you know I just want. you to listen a little bit more because. if I would get in Chuck's hat you know. as soon as Chuck hits somebody that's. the same with Benji Ric they have one. vision and that's the knockout and they. forget about the rest defense defense I. say as soon as you hit somebody step. back you're going to have some time. don't worry but you just hit the head. okay what is he going to protect now the. head go for the body do a cross cross to. the body Nobody Does that but do it as.

hard as you can cross Su cross and then. a left hook to the Head boom suddenly. there's a left H to the head if you do. the cross Su cross as hard as you can. you will force them to block it which. will open up for the left hook to the. Head same as with the budy body head you. know buddy buddy and they go boom boom I. said yeah it won't work like that you. see AO over Hoover who does his first. mixed martial arts fight body boom body. boom and then the head now with the.

first two body shots if this guy doesn't. block him he's going to get knocked out. to the body so now he respects your. power that's what Mike Tyson did spleen. right uppercut he hits you so hard in. the spleen that the second time when he. loads up and you he thinks he thinks. it's going to be the same punch but then. he changes the angle to an uppercut and. his defense is here for the spleen shot. if you do it powerful and and hard it. will work but if you do a buddy buddy. head buddy buddy you know it's not going. to work make everything count yeah a lot. of guys are trying to conserve their. energy yeah but yeah I I did after a.

workout I would put the back on the. ground and I would 30 minutes just go. punching on a back on the ground rolling. in the guard keeping hit you don't get. tired from that come on guys you don't. really get tired there's nothing there. you can just go what is he going to do. if he's on his back he's going to hit. you back he's not going to hit you back. you got to watch out for submissions but. that's not good get you. in in um in trouble with your stamina. just go just go do you think now like. looking back when you have these.

tendonitis and all these other issues. were you too tough for your body is that. what it is no I I what I think is that. because I was so sick as a kid that they. they overflow me with cortisones I had. so many cortisones that were moments I I. was I believe it was like 46 bills a day. I took you know all I had really bad. skin disease Asma yes I was so I had a. lot lot of stuff that I took for that. and and the the test they did on me I. mean every week I had to go get 20 shots. 10 shots in each each armor what they.

would do they would inject a little tiny. bit of where you allergic for and then. they hopefully it's like the flu vaccine. they hopefully the body finds a way to. Counterattack that but every time when. they do that I'll be sick and so I. needed to recoup from that the whole. time and I think eventually the. cortisones because they're really bad. for the bones and the tendons I think. the cortisones really got my tendonitis. that's the reason wow that's interesting. I never heard that before I never heard. of anybody having well I never heard of.

anybody having that many shots as a kid. and then going on to be a World. Championship fighter either yeah and me. neither and the gracious thing is that. um when I was young I did track and. field and I did it at a pretty high. level already because I wanted to be the. next Bruce Jenner at the time he was my. hero you know I mean that's how how old. I was he was the guy the Deaton guy. that's what I wanted to do and I. remember in in the end every time with. jaevin I had I already had that tontis. and I start recognizing that and I don't. know why it stayed away my entire career.

and came back only at the end it's got. to be the gods of God telling me okay. it's good you you become a fighter you. know but um for some reason at the end. it came back but I remember the pain. from when I was 14 years old do you have. a desire to train like Championship. level Fighters cuz I see you're talking. about what guys don't do correctly and. what you would like to see see them do. like do you have this desire to get. involved with someone who's like really. trying to make a run of the title no you. know I I I enjoy things like for.

instance Rico rver came in last week. love that guy you know yeah because he's. an athlete not just ch ANL Glory. heavyweight champion amazing kickboxer. so when he said he was going to do MMA I. sent him an email right away I said. listen Rico come to me give me two hours. of my of my time I I'll show you things. that going to be very very helpful for. you I'm not looking to be a coach. because I don't have the time for that. I'm way too busy for that but I can get. you in 2 hours I can get you a lot of. information or like for instance Jon. Jones a while back I was interviewing.

him and then he said right away I was in. Albuquerque what are you uh going to do. uh after this I said to my hotel I said. man do you want to train me you see. those are guys who really want to learn. and then once you start learning and. these guys listen yeah and then suddenly. they start being more explosive with. kicking and punching they go like dude. this is this is crazy you know like. sound effects I do a. lot at high pitch sound effects if you. see body for instance if you do the. focus Ms or you hit it back you go pom. pom pom pom 1 2 3 4 like that punch and. so if you just stop and you go in your.

mind you. go just do that and then just by doing. that your body automatically will adapt. and will get more explosive and he. realized that he goes wow and the next. week or two weeks later we had Greg. Jackson on the show and Greg tells me he. says man what what been you what have. you been teaching I said what do you. mean he says every everybody makes these. crazy sound effects I said do they hit. faster and harder and he goes yeah I. said so be it you know so it really.

works to get in people's heads yeah and. and then if you have an athlete like a. subl athlete like Jones who will listen. to you yeah that's that's gold then but. if a guy like that came to you if a guy. like that came to you and said listen. boss I want you to train me is that. something you would be interested in. doing yeah it's going to be hard it. depends what you know the D J out the. new podcast all the the the gym I mean. there's so much stuff the world series. of fighting that I suddenly cannot do. because then we got to have the 100%.

commitment right you know I like a lot. because I'm a very basic guy everything. is basic the basics with me because. everybody forgets the basics so most of. the time when when somebody comes out. like Tim Sylvia a while ago he came to. my gym and he threw the left hook wrong. and I I I tell myself said man this can. be way harder and he start learning to. throw the hook without loading up and he. want fight in 15 seconds with the left H. he goes dude this is crazy it works that. I enjoy to give him an hour time and.

show them what they do wrong and then if. they actually listen to it they realize. he wait a minute I got more power you. know I don't try to change the style I. just showed them how you get maximum. power and if you mix that up between. your Styles that's up to you but I see. you have this incredible passion about. this guys and about working on technique. that's why I'm I'm curious like if you. ever thought about like just going into. training yeah it's it's um just too busy. too busy but also um I don't know. anymore but you know a lot of guys that.

you do over the years so you put a lot. you invest a lot of time in and it. doesn't work out and it doesn't work out. or they get a better deal somewhere else. and they just leave you and you see this. with a lot of Fighters you know and. trainers that finally the trainer has. something or a manager and then they. just kick him to the side because I'm. going to save 10% here I going to do you. know then but but then again those guys. most of the time you see him losing yeah. you know because you broke the winning. combination if you have something my. stretching routine and everybody always. says please post it because you always.

talk about this my stretching routine is. the same as it was when uh when I. started in '93 oh well that's probably. even before with my karate and they say. you never change that I said no I never. change that why wouldn't you do more. except because with that stretching. routine I never had a problem why would. I change it it never gave me a problem. in training you see so now if I start. adding things or subtracting and. suddenly I get injured just my own fault. I had a winning combination never always. help me let's not break that let's keep. it the same and that's with everything. yeah it's just I know that you have your.

gym in Thousand Oaks yep you know what's. it called the West Lake Village boss. ruon elite MMA and you it's mostly uh. recreational people is that what it is. that's it yeah Tuesdays Thursdays I'm. there at 6:00 you know what kind of. class do you teach up there um Tuesdays. is mostly striking only striking and. Thursdays I start with ground but only. like for 20 minutes because people want. to work out you know like the fight if I. do fight classes with the fighters yeah. we do a lot of ground with escapes and. reversals I always start like that.

that's how I trained I never started on. my knees with grappling I always lay on. my back and I tell my partner you can. take any position you want that's so. important it's so important is the most. important thing put in a bad spot put. yourself in a bad spot and figure out. how to be comfortable in those bad spots. and work out of them all the time that's. it you know and with Basics I had a. student one time coming over to me and. after class and he said BOS you know. what's funny I said tell me he says I've. been working here now for 3 years and. you're teaching the same stuff I say.

yeah that is funny I say you want to. hear something more funny and he goes. yeah I say you're still not doing. it and the reason I'm doing this is. because of people like you because you. guys don't listen that's funny look. around yeah they don't they don't do it. everybody forget the basics they all. want to do the spinning backies To The. Head and the back Fist and the crazy. elbows and doing that forget about basic. stuff a simple one two how many times in. boxing you see a knockout highest level. on the planet a one two will do the. trick it's just the timing and when you.

throw it the timing the efficiency of. the technique and having it down where. you own it yep that's it yeah so you're. enjoying teaching you enjoy teaching a. couple times a week you enjoy doing that. that's why I'm doing it and you're your. striking class are guys sparring in. there or are they mostly just uh working. on technique and it's all technique and. my classes you go like you see girls. that have in my class when I start the. double left double right I can tell them. any combination and people who are. watching they go like whoa what is this. but they've been with me for a while and.

they're very technical you know and they. they do really well with the Striking. like yesterday again they they were. laughing about it this these two girls. always work together Laura and Dana they. they're really good they're probably. going to listen to this also but I said. listen everybody throws a low kick at. the end for instance a combination with. the loick but once you do that in a. class the low kick they have their hands. always down so I let them do it to me. that combination and then just before. they make the low kick I stretch my hand. in front of the face and I say I want. everybody to do this because I just. walked around I said and there were only.

three people from like the 22 or 24. people there are were doing it you know. just keep your hands up just make you. don't have to hit him just make him be. aware that that could be a punch you. know keep your hands up and uh I walked. over and they said were we one of the. three I said you know you were one of. the three because you guys are always. doing it you see it's just an a habit to. make a good habit then don't lose the. habit but unfortunately a lot of guys. lose it now what is this podcast you're. doing with marrow and that was one of. the reasons why you guys wanted to come.

in here together and like you said. unfortunately moral got sick but you. guys are doing a podcast together we're. doing a podcast the rutin and rello it's. called rutin and ralo and it's on iTunes. SoundCloud it's everywhere we uh it's a. it's a really fun people have no clue. who Maro really is you know they start. now because that pig piece on shock you. know he's bipolar you know and he got he. goes up and down but the guy is is a. genius like there's no prompter no. nothing he just shoot like Kenny rice in. for instance same same you know they.

have a brain you can ask him about a. horse in the 19 freaking ' 89 and he. will know in the name and it is that's. with Maro and um and I told you the. story before here with the pro wrestling. the gig that he now has and the people. are raving about him everywhere all even. the pro wrestlers say dude you're the. best guy I ever had and I told xess TV. when once they hire Maro and George. bonett to do the pro wrestling New Japan. Pro Wrestling on Access TV uh I told. them I said you watch Maro is going to.

work for the WWE after they hear him. doing this he's going to get a job mark. my words well he's doing everything now. he's not just doing that he's doing. Showtime boxing he did a bunch of Glory. fights oh this is your uh your this is. our landing page beautiful yeah rotin. ralo how many episodes have you guys. done so far seven tomorrow the the. tomorrow is the seventh and tomorrow is. to Kevin Kevin renman we're going to. have his wife on Mark Coleman on and. we're going to talk about his life and.

all the funny things I mean I got such a. crazy stories with Kevin I mean I went. to his wedding with my whole family and. uh it was so my family to destroyed I. mean they want to go with us to the. funeral everything was uh uh you know it. was so sad the next day after the. wedding we we were all at the pool. people laying there little hunger over. you know and then suddenly there was a. water volleyball net and somebody start. to play volley and and you know all. these competitive guys there suddenly. there's big teams on each side with the. kids you know and we're going to town.

man everybody's wonderful it was such a. good time we had such a great time and. then you know things like uh a thing. like this happens it's a it's really. upsetting it is yep it is he was he. truly was a great guy I mean all my. interactions with him were he's always. laughing and smiling and hugging people. and I remember I ran into Kevin once uh. we were at the fights it was a smaller. organization it was fight there was some. fights going on in Vegas and Kevin and I. ran into each other at the concession. stand and uh he gives me this big hug.

what's up man how you doing man and then. other people were coming over and it. just fans fans coming over hey what's up. Kevin he was like how you doing man. hugging everybody and smiling I'm like. what a [ __ ] jovial guy you know the. first time I fought him right we we we. fought and only met one time the fight. before when he beat Mai Smith for to. make the picture in the cation that. became the poster later that was the. only re time I met him so now I'm in the. hotel and I think it's before the. weighin and I'm waiting for the elevator. I'm by myself the elevator door opens. and there is he is and he doesn't go out.

he needs to be in there so I get in and. the elevator closed now we're with the. two of us in the elevator and I'm. looking but I can't see his face you. know in the mirror reflection there and. he already has a smirk on his face and. I'm smirking I look at him and I go you. know uh good luck. tomorrow and he goes thank you he says. you too and I go yeah thank you and then. we look and he says if you keep your. feet on the floor I promise you I won't. take you down and I go really yeah okay. okay you know the the door opens and he.

gu now I don't Noti this crazy guys so I. if you keep your feet on the floor so no. kicks no kicks so that's a crazy that's. a crazy deal yeah right a strange deal. and so um so in the fight the fight. starts and you'll see in the fight once. it starts the first thing he does he. slap his thigh like kick me right so now. I'm in confused so I go oh wait he's. going to think I give him a low kick so.

I'm going to act like I give him a low. kick but I give him a front kick to the. face so if he will wants to time it to. take me down right I'm going to get him. Square in the face you know so IOP I. make a front kick and it goes just in. front of it and he's backing up I just. miss him the with the front kick to the. face and I see something in his eyes and. I I till this day I couldn't or till day. till while after I couldn't figure what. it was but in his mind he of course. thought I thought we said we're not. going to kick you know but he did that.

slapping thing on his thigh so it threw. me off I thought like oh now he wants me. to kick him okay so I guess that whole. thing was not real let's start kicking. you know but he got me because I kicked. he took me. down and then uh only that front kick it. missed he backed up I it would have been. fun well there always gamesmanship you. know that's that's definitely a lot of. that oh I was talk talking to him the. whole time Big John wrote it in his book. because I was literally people were. booing because laying on the ground I. say listen man I think that the fans.

would like it much better if he stand. back up I'm trying to negotiate with him. to go back on the feet you know and he. goes nah let's stay here that's. hilarious yeah he was a good guy yeah he. was a great guy he was a great guy you. know you guys were a part of the early. days of MMA I mean you are one of the. original pioneers of this sport without. a doubt I mean your fight with toosi. kosaka for the longest time I had that. poster there was a poster for the your.

announcing your fight with tooshi Kaka. said the world's greatest martial artist. boss rotin that's how they announced you. I mean they were they were building you. up because you were like one of the. first really Elite Strikers to fight an. MMA you know yeah they they always said. I said I said they messed up right there. on that post they forgot the world. looking the world's greatest looking. martial artist I I told them that but. they forgot that word El Guapo yeah it. was a good time but oh man I mean when.

you look back on it I mean it's got to. be pretty amazing the time that you came. along I mean from becoming the king of. pancre from entering into the UFC and. being the UFC heavyweight champion like. what what number was that UFC 18 and 20. 20 I became the champ wow yeah almost at. 200 now that's incredible it's crazy you. know that that why it was such a a great. honor the the Hall of Fame when they. said the also the the Pioneer section. because the Pioneer section is a section. that will only grow so far yeah it will. not me so even in 2,000 years from now.

if this keeps going and comes whatever. becomes a new Olympics but it doesn't. matter we were always the ones that. started it yeah you know and that's a. cool thing it is a cool thing I mean. it's it's crazy also that this is the. oldest sport in the world really. fighting it it's the oldest form of. competition but it's also the newest. sport because there's no sport from 1993. which is when the UFC first started. there's no sport from then that has. exploded a new sport that came along in. 1993 that's exploded and now in 2016 I.

mean you have Ronda Rousey who's on the. Ellen show that we talked about today. the Conor McGregor Jo dos angos fight is. probably goingon to get close to 2. million pay-per-view guys I mean that's. going to be [ __ ] crazy you're dealing. with like this sport that's exploding. just exploding now so it's it's so. strange that this is this combination of. things the oldest sport is also the. newest Sport and you. from the time you started competing you. caught it like right at the beginning of. the wave yeah that's it's it's really. cool it's um it's an amazing feeling.

many times fans ask wouldn't you want to. be born like 20 years later I say no I'm. perfectly happy right now I mean also. the way I wrapped it up I didn't lose in. my last 22 fights there a great way to. stop you know while I'm ahead everything. I keep going see if I can one what win. one more you lose you win one more or. you lose you know like that's not a. great way to wrap up a career you know. of course injuries with me played a. factor you know maybe I got the injuries. because they said hey it's been going. really well maybe you got to stop now.

you know because you're getting older. and you don't want to admit that you get. older because you're still explosive and. you still want to do it and you still. train with guys when I came back I. trained with the guys in Vegas and I go. dude everybody looked at me they said. then you have a second career this is. the craziest thing I said yeah this is. crazy right I'm feeling so good you know. I couldn't do the warm up I couldn't do. 20 minutes warmup when I started because. I didn't train for three and a half. years and 6 weeks later I'm I'm not. taking breaks anymore I just go into the. next opponents I was I I even myself I.

amazed man this is great and then all. the injuries started coming back you. know now I go okay now I got it my knece. my T night is I tore a hamstring I go. pull the rip put the rip out at the the. place at um Dan Henderson's place you. know they took me down in the midair I. reversed the takedown but with that I. used so much upper body streng strength. that I popped the rip out so now that. was 12 days before the fight I couldn't. punch anymore can't punch back the only. thing I did was the workout I have the.

audio workout in the air that was the. only thing I could do wow yeah so you. but you got out of the sport with your. faculties 100% intact that is the. ultimate goal of any fighter to retire. and especially you because you you're. now a commentator you're also an analyst. I mean you do a fantastic job of. breaking down fights I really enjoy you. on inside MMA because you have such a. knowledge perspective but also you're. very honest you don't play politics. you're very honest about how you feel. about a fight coming up about where a. guy [ __ ] up or where where a person's.

chances lie and I think it's it's it's. amazing what you've done it really is. amazing thank you yeah I mean you're. you're sharp as ever I you know I I'm uh. always try not to get hit you know it. didn't really work in my title fight. against. Kevin because you beat the crap out of. me for the first four minutes but you. know but after that it was okay H for. the rest I don't think I ever got hit. you know I I I always try to you know. slip and move well fighting intelligent.

is the most important aspect of fighting. to use your mind to use your mind and. proper tactics and techniques that's why. I love Mighty Mouse yep Mighty Mouse is. the best guy I agree I mean I don't. think there's any competition I think. Jon Jones is a a phenomenal talent and. he's an amazing fighter but I think it's. it's almost disrespectful to put him as. pound-for-pound the best when you look. at some of the Wars that he's had with. Guston I mean the war that he had with. Daniel Cormier was a great I mean Daniel. obviously is a great fighter was a. really good fight and you know John won.

the fight of course clearly but you look. at what Mighty Mouse is doing to the. competition he doesn't even get hit. doson is a [ __ ] freak y I mean. dodson's a freak and Dodson just. couldn't touch him yeah Dodson always. said in the beginning it's like he's. glued to the ground yeah like he moves. back he never slips he never get great. footwork but uh man DJ who M yum did a. really good job there really uh that's. yeah it's a whole new level well he's. got so much going on he's his mind he's. very smart he's very dedicated he's got.

a great control of his ego he doesn't. fight like a fool he fights very very. technical his footwork is fantastic his. his choices that he makes in a fight. he's unpredictable in his movements he's. just I think he's the best ever I really. do he he he needs a guy to fight like a. Conor McGregor though because so he has. a big payday one time because Rafael do. anges is going to make a lot of money. this fight yeah you know if 2 million if. that's really going to hit it yeah and. and you watch that will probably get up. also if he if for some reason McGregor. wins this it's going to be very hard.

fight for him because I think those Ang. yeah it's going to be very tough fight. because we saw with MZ yeah well we all. we all know the same thing you know if. once it goes to the ground but you still. don't know in in in in that that fight. he is so aware of where he is when he. fought Mendes and I'm talking about. McGregor he was just laying on the. ground yeah you know he didn't even try. to escape it was almost like he said oh. he's going to run Mendes took that fight. though on two weeks that's what I mean. just a different if he could have done. that but he knew that that's what I'm. saying he knew oh I'm just going to car. it into the second round and I'm going.

to get him you know didn't even try yeah. so I I think once against Rafael Los. Angeles yeah he's going to need this guy. in the guard that's one thing for sure. well it's a he a different animal he'll. be there every minute of every round. he'll be there for 25 minutes trying to. kill you yeah dos angos is a [ __ ]. animal man he's an animal he's a. different animal totally different kind. of a fight so I'm so so curious as to. how that's going to play out when you. look at how obsessed Conor is with. footwork and movement and being smooth. and fast and laying P like one of the.

things that he said when I was. interviewing him after the F fight he's. like no power you see that no power just. Precision just Precision like all those. coming at him he just drops that punch. in I mean he's not he's not grunting. he's not he just drops it in and boom. takes him out the the thing is I see him. everywhere so I hope he's not going to. make the Rousey mistake because I said. it two weeks before I think what Rousy. is doing is not good she's every talk. show every magazine I go to the. supermarket three magazine covers I mean.

it's insane stop doing that you know. fight first fight first that makes you. big you know once you lose that all the. other stuff that you're doing right now. is going to go as well yes because they. want that champion yes you know so. McGregor I hope that he keeps stays. focused and only you know picks the ones. that he needs to do contractually and. that's it yeah I think he's going to be. a lot smarter about it I think Ronda. just got overwhelmed with the amount of. superstardom that came her way. unprecedented him I mean there's never.

been an athlete like that before this. female ass kicker who's on top of the. world y I mean she was a new thing and. because of that there was so many. Temptations and and that's why for her. it's also was also so hard when she lost. she was such a high you know and then. boom there you have such a low that well. this the other this is how your. opponents could have felt you know and I. think that kind of stuff you know on one. side it's really good for her because. now she understands that now she's going. to go oh okay now I tasted the other. side you going to make you a better.

person and you start reminiscing about. all the things did I you know was I oh. in that interview I wasn't really that. wasn't really cool you know those things. start backfiring once you start losing. as with McGregor the same thing although. with him there's always it's a funny. thing yeah you know with with Ronda it's. real like like real real but McGregor is. it real he the reason he's so. unbelievably good is he in his mind he. truly beli there's no way he can lose. yes you know and a guy to beat a guy. like that Mendes hit him hard I mean.

hard and he didn't even Flinch there was. no zero no movement crazy it was the. craziest thing we see how Mendes took. out Ricardo Lopez I mean Ricardo llas. rather yeah yeah I mean Mendes hits. [ __ ] hard yeah it's a harda but Conor. just eats it eats it on the tip of his. jaw also it it's not like just no it's. crazy his ch jaw is incredible his mind. is incredible I'm so fascinated by that. fight so fascinated and he says when one. of one of us goes to war we all go to.

that all the way back when he said that. remember in Boston was I believe right. that was that's where he got me that's. when right way I said okay this guy. that's why we got to wor on inside MMA. we wanted and then the next time he was. on inside MMA he says man I got my. Monograms look in in my suit how cool is. that he was so happy that this got his. name and did you ever see the video oh I. did some homework on him because we were. we're going to interview him and I saw. this video that he's in a hotel in in in. Dublin I believe and there's coconuts. did you see that part no okay so he's.

talking into the camera they're shooting. this whatever you know they're following. him around and suddenly you hear his. wife going no way right and he goes he's. talking to the camera he looks at us. says what he said no way and he says one. second so he walks over she she comes. with a coconut and there's a hole in. there and they put a little cork thing. in there so he he goes no way you know. it's like he never saw a coconut right. so they pull the thing out they put the. straw and go oh no way you know it's you. think they did this for because I have.

to fight a Brazilian guy and that's why. they put they start reminiscing and that. is a knock on the door so he opens the. door and he has a coconut in his s it's. his trainer and the trainer sees the co. he does huh and the trainer goes no. way everybody does the same it is so. funny and then you see him at the attic. he lives at the attic from his mom and. dad with his wife wow on the attic and. he's putting a suit on and he's trying. to figure out that thing in the pocket. you know and he goes I don't know to do.

it but you know I I think in a few years. from now I will you know it's this. become second nature and then you see. him now you know how cool is that you. see really there and now all the way up. there good guy well he's making so much. money now it's unprecedented you know I. was talking to Dana on the phone today. and Dana was saying he's going to be the. first guy to make a $100 million from. heard that Aldo made $5 million from. that last fight Aldo did five million. five million and Aldo's going back to. Brazil with that money where it's worth. probably like who knows 15 20 yeah.

probably something like that I mean and. and for a guy like Aldo who loves Brazil. and loves to be in Brazil that money. goes a long way in Brazil yeah you know. and you can help a lot of people in. Brazil with that money too whereas like. if you bring that money to America I. mean $5 billion in Los. Angeles you know house you can get a. decent house and then it's gone you know. I mean but in Brazil he can he can hold. on to that money for a long time yeah. well who knows how much Conor is going. to make in this Doos fight and even if. he loses he still defends his. featherweight title yeah which is crazy.

what if he [ __ ] wins if he [ __ ]. wins when he goes up and fights Robbie. Lawler at welterweight Jesus Christ yeah. Wonder boy it's going to be insane. that's Wonder Boy has the same kind of. timing that he has Wonder boy's. different he's say I always talk about. distance yesterday in my class I said. again the most important thing in. fighting is keep your nose pointed to. your. because if you say ice that they think. looking way this is ice and your it's. not keep you full vision and distance. you know if you if you manage to stay.

just outside his reach and then you can. counter it's gold and that's what you. know water boy did also Wonder Boy has. that no one has is Karate kicks he's got. the front leg side kick to the body the. front leg roundhouse kick to the face. when he was [ __ ] Johnny Hendrick up. with that he front leg side kicked him. to the body and then front leg. roundhouse kicked him in the face you. could see Hendrick is like whoa what is. this yeah he kicks in a way that no one. does no one like when he wheel kicked. Ellenberger Ellenberger was saying. before that fight those kicks are a.

waste of time he's like I think it's a. waste of energy all that spinning. stuff kicks him twice twice in the head. Hope Solo is a big fan did you to see. that no Hope Solo made made a video. message for Wonder Boy loves him how. cool is that he's amazing man his fight. with Hendrick was his coming out moment. like where you really got to see him. with all of his work that he's done with. widman and his takedown defense and his. wrestling and the you're seeing that. kickboxing that we always knew he had. with the 57 and0 kickboxing record.

you're seeing it come together inside. the Octagon where all these other MMA. skills have caught up with his. kickboxing and [ __ ] man that guy's good. yeah he's something I was so impressed. with that fight with Hendrick I was so. impressed and his father said it before. his father was talking about the. distance M you know I go oh well let's. see and then when I saw at the footwork. but he's like a snake he's like in and. out in did he wrestle did he has to be. right I mean how does he stop those take. Downs he's first of all he's done a lot. of work with widman him and W been. training together a lot and also he's.

Carlos machado's son-in-law oh yeah yeah. yeah I read that so I mean he's learning. Jiu-Jitsu I'm sure from I mean I don't. know what belt he has under that but. Jesus Christ that's a that's high that's. a beautiful thing to be connected to. that how how it did I hear something. that he was going to be like family of. white men or what was the connection. that is that is he going to live there. now well he trains with him a lot it's a. big widman of course is an elite. wrestler you know NCAA allamerican mean. one of the best wrestlers right now in.

MMA so to have a guy like Weidman. training I knew they do a lot of. training sessions at hofra they go down. there and do a lot of work with the. wrestling team but that's what he needed. he needed to be able to confidently stay. on his feet and not worry about. executing the kicks because you see him. earlier in his career he just didn't it. doesn't wasn't loose wasn't loose the. way he is in a kickboxing fight did you. ever see him in the World Combat League. Chuck Norris's organization oh my God. you see him in pure kickboxing you see. what a talent this kid is just. incredible incredible but it's so.

unusual because it's hands down and. loose and in and out like a snake trying. to find a guy who emulates those I mean. Leona Mach is obviously got great karate. skill but Wonder Boy's on another level. it's like several levels past that the. combinations that guy throws like when. he hit. he's tagging him and then as he's. sliding out he roundhouse kicks him in. the body and then he slides back in and. hits him with another combination and. then he slides out and slides back in. again and Hendrick is just overwhelmed.

we never saw anybody do that to Hendrick. yeah I I think um what's interesting to. try with guys like that I always said. this with um Macha also and even with. Conor McGregor and when he fought Aldo. and and in this case now as well because. their stance is so karate white right. but it's a karate without L Ki they're. used to here in America you know so I'm. I said to my buddies I imagine that.

um the camp from Aldo said four months. ago listen you're going to face McGregor. eventually this is going to happen let's. switch you to Southpaw so we can use. your left low kicks because the way they. stand it's going to be very hard for. them to get away from low kicks on the. outside right right very inside is easy. because what McGregor does he lowers. himself and once his knee goes in the. same line as his butt so to say you. don't you don't have any space to land.

that inside L kick right it's really. weird if you angle it up the angle is. gone but L kicks in that St outside Lo. outside loix from the Southpaw St yeah. from the Southpaw stance powerful loix. to that leg because if you stub the legs. MH you're going to stop everything well. Nikki holin and Raymond Daniels cuz. Raymond Daniels is a very similar style. Daniels of course was a karate chion has. unbelievable kicking talent but Nikki. holin stays glued to him and throws leg. kicks he just chops him down chops him. down chops him down and then beats him. up and that's the same thing with Joseph.

valini did the same thing with with. Raymond Daniels chopped him down with. low kicks chop him down with low kicks. and then he head kicked him and knocked. him out yeah Vini is also something yeah. wow yeah but he's another guy that he he. had to relinquish his title because of. concussions and uh he's going to do the. podcast soon we're talking about him him. coming on the podcast cuz he wants to. talk about you know some of the the. situations he's gone through dealing. with concussion syndrome wow yeah and. he's young yeah yeah just hard training.

hard fights the Nikki holtzin fight was. hard you know he's had he's had some. [ __ ] Wars you know you see in. training we never like I never get. knocked out thankfully but uh but I get. hit a few times but never you know not. every workout for sure like once every. so many time you know because have good. sparring partners it always happens when. you go somewhere and then one of these. in a boxing club and suddenly a boxer. jumps up hey you want to go a few rounds. and then it goes harder harder harder. harder and then fight yeah well that's.

one of those smart things that Connor. does Connor keeps all of his his. training Partners very close you know. he's got all these he's got gunar Nelson. he's got a bunch of different guys that. he trains with on a regular basis and he. keeps those guys very close to him and. everybody's got a common goal. everybody's trying to help everybody. else everybody's trying to get. themselves healthy so that you know. they're going to be stepping into that. cage at 100% % that's it winning. combination see he doesn't break it. winning combination he takes everybody. from Ireland but just come with me very. smart very smart all right I got to get.

the [ __ ] out of here boss rby you're the. best I appreciate the [ __ ] out of you. you're awesome. anytime open invitation I'll uh with. marrow we're going to talk about crazy. yeah some crazy uh Pride stories people. going to like just let him heal up or. you know get get over his illness and. we'll resched it soon I would love love. love love to do that and please check. out rotin and ralo it's available on. SoundCloud is on iTunes as well on. everything and of course inside MMA it's. on Access TV boss Rootin El Guapo the. great one got speed party on thank you.

sir thank. you that was awesome. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].