Joe Rogan Experience #657 - Corey Knowlton

good all right we're live uh this is a. perfect time for me to talk to you about. this because I just took a yoga class. and had a vegan lunch awesome how do you. feel I feel like Namaste I feel centered. yeah I feel like my chakras are in line. I feel fine well were you were you wear. to have a vegan lunch did did you travel. over there with like a Cara like a car. without leather seats no no no was yeah. it's not really a vegan lunch like car. had leather seats yeah so then also on. top of that like like your tofu was it.

meat flavored no I didn't have tofu I. just had vegetables okay well vegetables. still taste like vegetables I did kill a. mosquito as soon as I got out of my car. so I don't think that's vegan either. well sounds like you're a murderer. sounds like it to me Corey uh if you. don't know Nolton the last Right Way. pronounce you his name um one of the. reasons why I want to have you on this. podcast is uh I'm a big fan of uh Jim. shaki Jim shaki show the Uncharted show. and Uh something's going my nose and I'd.

seen you uh on that show so when the. controversy broke uh CNN covered the. story for folks who don't know what. we're talking about. Corey um you bid money to be one of the. people that got a chance to kill a black. rhino um for people who are not aware of. how uh conservation and hunting work. what they try to do especially with. endangered species species is they have.

to sometimes protect endangered species. from their own and it seems very. counterintuitive um for people who are. on the outside looking in you say well. this is an endangered animal why are you. killing one of these endangered animals. and trying to call this conservation but. with rhinos in particular or a lot of. aggressive animals even giraffes the. older males the older Bulls the older um. nonbreeding members of these groups.

sometimes will attack the young males. and kill them and females and females. and C Cals they'll kill everything and. it is just a natural part of being a. wild animal when the numbers are strong. and healthy it's like it happens in. Bears every day of the week it's just a. part of being a bear but when it happens. with uh something that's endangered like. a black rhino they're forced into a very. peculiar situation where they have to.

most likely either kill or put this. animal in captivity am I right a lot of. different different situations depending. on the animal what it's actually doing. right but yes I mean some of the things. you're talking about could apply and. this is where it gets counterintuitive. so they have a bid and the bid gets to. you you want it like what is it. $350,000 that's correct yes it's a lot. of [ __ ] money um and you went over. there there you shot this rhino all that.

money went towards aiding the Rhino pop. it wasn't enough money it wasn't enough. it should have been a lot more money. because they need more money or because. absolutely they need more money and and. the value of that was greater than that. amount of money that was the amount of. money that I was able to claw together. and make happen the anti-hunting. community and the animal rights. Community came out so strongly against. this situation.

for what I think either misunderstanding. or they were trying to keep the. contribution down um one of the other or. both and um there's people who were much. wealthier than I am and had a lot more. money who really wanted to spend the. money but at the time I don't think that. they well they had a better idea of what. was to come than I did I guess I was a. little bit naive about it um but these. people are a a couple of them are very.

well-known people and I don't think they. wanted to put their employees in their. company and you know their live their. family to the same things that I end up. going through and um they. were basically chased out by the. anti-hunting community's rhetoric and. their. attacks what what was surprising to you. about this whole experience because it. had to be a pretty life-changing. experience like you're a guy who who's.

uh you know relatively famous in the. hunting world you being on that Jim. chalky show and you decide that you want. to be the guy so you you spend all this. money uh what was your goal when you. wanted to do this did you want to bring. awareness to this was it something that. you felt strongly about from the very. beginning well I've always felt very. strongly about conservation and hunting. okay ever since I was. young and um but the way this came about. was a friend of mine who runs a company.

called um conservation force or a. nonprofit. 501c3 and he came to me and said look. the people I had that are bidding on. this are gone and he asked me if I would. bid on it and the bid that I made was. basically within very close to the. minimum bid there was really no one. else really the minimum bid was $350,000. well see you got to keep in mind they. sell these over.

in Namibia they have auctions amongst. themselves this was the first one that. took place in the United States that's. why I brought so much publicity this. wasn't the first Rhino that was to be. brought into the United States so this. is something that happened before just. not on a public stage in the United. States so they are able to get a certain. amount of money already for them and. they wanted to get more over here that. was the whole idea and so they brought. it over. here um the permanent Secretary of the. namibian ministry of environment tourism. him and basically they're in um one of.

the Rhino Experts of the country came. over and took place they were there at. the auction when it took place so the. the amount of money that gets raised. this this enormous amount $350,000 in. your opinion is low it would have. probably been much more if there wasn't. yeah not in my in the opinion of many in. fact low and I believe um it'll come. about again but probably in a different. way and it's going to be at at least I.

would say three times higher so they're. going to do it again I don't think. they're going to do it again in the. fashion they did they're absolutely. going to do it again but they're not. going to do in the fashion they did this. time I don't think I can't look I don't. speak for them so I don't know but yes. they will continue to auction off these. Surplus rhinos and it's not hard to get. people to to be willing to do this but. in order to get people to spend. $350,000 to save the Rhino just to just. to donate to save it without hunting. it's pretty.

I actually think that's more complicated. too because in this situation that I was. in the money had to be proved to go to. the right places to benefit the Rhino. the path had to be proven to the US fish. and wildlife for them to Grant the. import permit so it was went through the. process which was like the most vetted. process possible on every level it was. the most vetted conservation hunt. probably in history and they do these. hunts like this here in the United.

States all the time they auction off. deer special Deer tags special elk tags. special sheep tags okay this this year I. was an auction where a Muer tag went for. $385,000 so they do these all the time. to raise. money so it's not like a a new idea but. in this case it was the most vetted way. for the money to get to the source that. and I believe in conservation I believe. in hunting as a means as a tool to help. perpetuate it and keep these animals. alive live so I had a personal vested.

interest in the process so and there's. other people like me who feel the same. way and they are happy to donate to that. like you're saying just to get somebody. to do it well where do I give it to how. do I know the money's going to the right. place right it's like similar to like I. don't know if you know about the the Red. Cross controversy did you see that that. just came out a couple days ago about. Haiti that uh they millions and millions. millions of dollars went to Haiti to to.

help people after what was it the big. earthquake they had is that what it was. and they built like five houses like. they they don't even know where most the. [ __ ] money went it's just a a. complete [ __ ] festy look at this half a. billion dollars spent six homes built. Jesus Christ well I think that speaks to. the point that I was trying to make yeah. and and that's obviously a different. scenario we're talking who know who. knows what that is you're looking at you. look at your news source there salon.com. it's the greatest new there you go.

they're so unbiased they love everyone. equally. so what do they have to say about you. anything mean well yes most most most. everybody who had an agenda to it that. was against what the whole process of. what I was doing and this goes from all. the way from the head of the US fishing. Wildlife to you know trying to make make. it look like Sidis and I iucn aren't the. world's foremost you know experts okay.

especially those companies what is that. iucn is a um group that puts together. the red list of endangered species okay. they they are the foremost experts on. the subject and a guy named Michael. Knight heads up that African rhino. Specialist Group and he's the foremost. expert in world and rhinos okay so you. got you have the world's foremost. experts in this you had the WWF a guy. named Chris Weaver in Namibia um who. heads that up you had WWF behind it you. had iucn behind it you had socities. behind it you had us fishing Wildlife.

which you know I I've come down on two. different sides with them sometimes I. agree with them sometimes I don't okay. but in this case I absolutely agreed. with them so you had like the foremost. authorities in the world all agreeing. with this and then you have a large. amount of people who type in 75. characters on Twitter and feel better. about it and you know they're they're. they're weighing in and in today's day. and age you look at that and you're it's. like.

a handful of people who are emotional. about something outweigh public you know. I mean the the experts of the world. opinion well it it becomes very. controversial first of all because it. went on at the same time as they were. broadcasting another species of rhino. that was going extinct there was three. of them left one male two women and the. the male wasn't breeding with them and. they were like this is it you're looking. at the last three of these rhinos sure. and it also it part of the reason is it.

it falls into this category that people. call trophy hunting and it's very. different than going to the supermarket. and buying meat from an animal that was. killed for meat the idea of trophy. hunting bothers a lot of people because. they think what you're doing is you're. going over there and you're shooting. something to prop up your ego you're. shooting something because you know you. want to be the master you want to go. over there and blast this thing and take. a picture grip and grin and smile yeah I. I think that's like a I'm sure. throughout history that's exist but I. don't think that that's a accurate.

representation of people who you can. call trophy hunting whatever you want I. mean you can put it under if you're out. there looking for the biggest cow elk. because you want the meat all right. you're being selective about which one. you're picking okay so for what the the. truth about let's you know quote unquote. trophy hunting is you're going out there. looking for the most mature male of the. species that you can find okay and. you're going through a selective process. and I think there is it amongst Hunters.

there's definitely a movement going you. know Jim and I used to talk about it all. the time we would go out we're looking. for the oldest male of the species we. can find okay because that's the best. one to take out he's already breeded. he's going to go down he's going to fall. over dead on the mountain if it's a ram. and birds are going to pick his eyes out. while he's alive okay he's going to go. through a horrible death and we're going. to spare that animal that and so there's. a lot that goes into that and I. understand people say okay that that's.

what it is Joe like for instance I you. know I just met you today and my idea of. who you are isn't who Joe Rogan is the. only person that knows who Joe Rogan is. is Joe I think some other people know. Jamie knows me okay well whatever all. right in reality you're the only person. that know your thoughts okay my point is. I can't put why you the decisions you. that got brought to you to where you are. right now I don't know what that is okay. and in this case I. had hundreds of thousands of people.

sorry I had hundreds of thousands of. people trying to say you did this for. this reason right they don't know what. reason I did it for right they never. talked to me they never met me okay and. so yeah okay you want to go ahead and. lump everybody in there because it's. easy for you to disenfranchise them well. you're you're defending yourself here. and I would be defensive too if I had. experience the kind of barrage of hate. that I've seen leveled your way but. that's one of the reasons why I wanted. to have you on is give you a chance over. you know a couple hours to to speak your.

mind yeah and so what people have a. problem with I think is people that want. to kill things and don't eat them. there's some people that have a problem. with you eating meat there's some people. that have a problem with you eating fish. some people you know some people go deep. with it right I think there's varying. degrees of outrage when it comes to. people killing animals but at the top of. that list is what they call trophy. hunting and that's an an that's someone. who kills it that doesn't have any. intention of eating it if you kill a. mature. uh mule deer because it has an awesome.

rack and it's you're still going to eat. that animal still food you're eat it. you're going to donate it you're going. to do something with it yeah it's. delicious food and it's it's there's a. reason why people hunt them it's cuz. they they taste fantastic it's high. quality protein it's great for you. you're not eating a rhino right did you. eat it absolutely the first thing it. right there on the spot did you. absolutely what does it taste like it. was better than elephant really mhm you. hate elephant sure whoa what does that. taste like not as good as. Rhino so uh what part of the Rhino do.

you eat right well we delivered the. entire thing to a whole village you know. our group wasn't hungry enough to eat. the entire Rhino right there I would. imagine yeah I mean how many thousands. of pounds was this thing by the way you. know I'd guess it was between 2500 and. 3,000 be my guest with large animal and. this uh do they have any Refrigeration. in this Village or is this just they eat. you know to the extent no there was so. many people that that wasn't going to be. a large. issue yeah I've seen that before with an.

elephant hunt on television it was a a. documentary on the controversy in um. these uh hunting camps in South Africa. and they shot this elephant and donated. to these villagers and these people came. with baskets and stuff these baskets. with elephant meat and they they cut. that entire carcass down to bite-sized. portions or meal-sized portions in just. a matter of a few hours it was insane it. was crazy to watch so when people think. of. this being just a waste just killing.

this animal they're wrong they're wrong. 100% that wasn't really discussed at all. the news that was never covered I never. saw one article that covered the fact. that fed it to people did yes we did. there's a video of it on CNN article. absolutely it to absolutely I got. pictures of it on my phone there you go. I'll show you right here I believe you. 100% I'm not I'm not question well look. I want to show you okay you're setting. across from me right now and um I'm. looking at the CN article I don't see.

any pictures of it must in the video if. you go to the meat delivery just is. there a link in there it should be I've. got it on my phone but for instance. here's me standing in front of the. village a selfie with the entire rib. cages of that animal. whoa see after the black rhino hunt a. village celebrates meat delivery oh okay. this so this is a separate video other. than one that I had watched which was. the title of that was Texas Hunter bags.

his Rhino and controversial hunt in. Namibia yeah so not so controversial to. the people that you delivered the meat. to absolutely not those people like if. you look at them they're very excited to. get this protein um an elephant huh yeah. the idea of meat wastage in Africa isn't. that look in the United States it's hard. for us to comprehend it cuz we've got a. system of such excess that the poorest. keep it the poorest Among Us are the.

most overweight you go to Africa a poor. person is Skin and Bones right okay you. know people say the money money is a. root of all evil poverty is a root of. all evil you go over there and see it. firsthand it's. horrible and so they're not wasting an. ounce of that. meat now this uh this animal had been. targeted because it had killed one uh. young bull already and it was an older. angry male with not a whole lot of time. left right is that the idea correct and. it I believe it had killed more than.

that through its life it had been. transported already to this area like. when it was around 19 years old and now. they live oh look on I saw a list that. had them there and they had them alive. in the field listed at over 37 years old. wow so you know they leave at least that. long you're not that old how old are you. I'm 36 years old how long have you been. doing this big game wild hunting I got. into it when I was I I started guiding.

hunts when I was 16 years old you. started guiding hunts when you 16 my. first my first I graduated high school I. was guiding hunts through high school. what kind of hunts white tail no like. ducks and uh ducks and geese and stuff. and um then I slowly got into hunting. it's what it just became a passion to me. we grew up real real poor I just laugh. all the time when I see people talk. about how you know like I'm some rich. over you know super. talk about my family and the oil.

business and whatnot I was already. before my my brother my father their. partner had any success in the world. business man I was in my 20s I was you. know I'd already charted my path and was. going see I wasn't aware of you back. when I was going to ask you that too. where the [ __ ] did you come up with. $350,000 there a lot well you know. luckily I mean I've been successful in. life and especially in the hunting. business I was very successful and. guiding hunts and and and setting up. hunts that's that's how Jim and I got. together I was booking hunts all around. the world but anyway so I I started when.

I was like um 16 taking people ducking. goose hunting and Texas is you know. obviously a different place I don't know. how much time you spent in Texas but. hunting yeah Texas is hunting and. fishing is is a part of life it's just. and for the most part it's very accepted. okay and even if you don't do it you. have a family member that does you got a. buddy that work does and so people I. mean I'm telling you people in Texas. aren't that judgmental really I mean. about this at least and so um anyway I.

you know we're all growing up together. as a family and it's a part of our thing. you know and my granddad we were I mean. I I grew up in poverty when I was real. young and uh that what we had to do was. go hunting and fishing you know and we. we we got I mean I didn't never got I. don't think I shot my first deer till I. was you know 15 or 16 years old and um. so I did this bird hunting and then I. graduated um high school and I went and. got a job. uh working for a guy in Colorado guid in.

Mount line hunts and then I you know got. another started another business up with. floor tile and made money and I was. saving my money up to go hunting and I. met another guy a guy named Aaron neelon. and him and I started up a company. together and we started taking people on. hunts we'd say we'd go on these. different Hunts on oursel we'd go there. find the area check it out and go on. these adventures and then come back and. get people together and go on more of. them and it's kind of snowball and. snowball when I met Jim and two. 2001 or two back then um you know I was.

just getting into it and I already you. know knew quite a bit I'd already hunted. Africa I'd already gone through a lot of. places in the world and um just got into. it and and said hey Jim you want to go. to Africa and we went and that was his. first African trip and uh we went over. there had a great trip filmed it for a. video at the time he goes on and becomes. more successful in his TV stuff I keep. doing what what I did and then few few. years later we came up with this idea to.

start this TV show about our lives as. Professionals in the hunting industry. and we called it the. professionals and um because personally. Jim and I would talk about it and I'm. not going to speak down about these. people but our at the time on in the. outdoor television world you know which. is a different thing than most TV in a. lot of ways I think you've talked about. it on your podcast before um we were. like well a lot of these people are. calling they're saying they're. professionals but they're getting like a.

free bow you know we're actually making. our livings doing this you know taking. people hunting and outfitting and. guiding and whatnot we just it's also. the quality of the show yeah true Jim. shows are excellent they're really well. done especially Uncharted could easily. be on the Discovery Channel or the. History Channel it is a great show yeah. and and so that was kind of our goal we. wanted to Chronicle this and make the. production level as high as we could and. and show people that you know there is a. human side to this and and that's what. was our goal so do you get frustrated.

when you watch like there's some reality. or not reality shows there's some. hunting shows that are on television. that you know are essentially like cable. access shows I mean they're just really. poorly made bad editing bad. personalities I mean that's those guys'. dream I'm not going to say I get. frustrated at it you know it's just like. it's just like everybody who plays. baseball is not going to be Mickey Manel. right so I. mean when people flip through the. channels and they pause on one of those.

shows and they that that's their. exposure to hunting yeah I. mean I don't know that every single one. of them even ours would be a true. representation of all of hunting you. know what I mean so it's hard you know. um I feel like we strive for that I. really I mean personally look I watched. a l i don't watch hunting shows cuz I. lived it you know what I mean I really. lived it to the fullest I've Been. Everywhere I could have ever dreamed of. and I've seen everything so it's hard. for me to watch it you know it'd be like. you you going outside of all the fights.

you've watched you know are you going to. get really excited about watching two. bums do it out in front of the studio. unfortunately yes I well that's why. you're so good okay it's so good at what. you do I like watching little kids beat. each other up okay all right. sorry as long as nobody swing a Miss um. but I I see your point I totally see. your point. um what so you started out hunting. essentially for food well yeah well no. for it was part we ate him Part of Life. part of life you know I mean I grew up. we went hunting we we we shot do we shot.

Quail we ate them okay we went fishing. we were catching release and boiling. grease right okay we're catching crappie. and eating them that was right part of. life how did you go from that to. shooting an elephant well if you really. like hunting and you go over there and. you learn more about it you know and you. have a passion for it you if that's what. you want to do you just go right but. what what leads you to want to shoot an. elephant like what. personally.

yes I just loved hunting i l the idea of. being out there I loved the idea of. being with local people I love the idea. of seeing the way it worked on the other. parts of the world I mean I had like I. had a burning crazy desire to go. experience nature right okay and and and. be a part of the cycle of life in an. intimate way everywhere I could go like. people don't realize it I don't think. and it's hard you know like I'm and I'll. get into it later with you really.

interested to hear your path that. brought you to it I'm sure you've talked. on it and we don't have to talk on it. because you probably right now it. doesn't bother you know if you've talked. about your listeners get bored of it or. whatever but I'd really like to know it. okay because you you you probably. understand I don't want to like speak. for you but when you're that close to an. animal when you're within bow range of. an animal it's a different experience. than you have going to 7-Eleven or. whatever you're going to have in a. normal life and so in a way that would. be the way I would translate it I just.

wanted to go everywhere I possibly could. and I read everything I possibly could. and I learned everything I possibly. could especially about I had a real. passion for Asia I've hunted all over. Asia everywhere that I could go in Asia. I went you know I could I could go down. the list astonish you and so I went over. there and and and Asian hunting is by. and large brutally hard why is that I. mean I mean we went to Nepal you're up. to almost 177,000 ft you you know you. walk in you walk out you know your whole.

Camp is you're being carried in or. carrying out a lot of times and if. you're backpack hunting you're carrying. everything you live in you know I mean. I'm 36 years old going on like 86 years. old because of all the diseases and and. stuff my body's been through you know. Foria and all that [ __ ] I never had. jaria but I had I had one they couldn't. figure out at the Mayo Clinic one time. like and it was killing me and then I. had malaria I've had that um I've had. numerous other infectious diseases that.

were you know destroying me at 20 let me. think was 22 years old I got malaria and. my fever got so bad that my gums were. immediately like a 40-year-old person so. your gums were yeah like a fever damages. your guns like gums I guess I'm not a. doctor is what they told me what do what. happens to your gums when you I don't. know man it's something that has to do. with high fever for a long time I don't. know so it just like makes your gums. reced you all dude malaria is a bad deal. yeah I've had a friend who had malaria. yeah and so I didn't catch it till later.

part of the problem is like the. medicines they give you make you feel. bad right so you don't really notice it. coming on at first it's almost better in. some circumstances just not to take the. prophylactics and I'm not going to say. anybody should do that but personally I. do that a lot unless I just know I'm in. a solid malaria area and then you'll. know that it's coming on sooner because. by the time it hit me I was really sick. so you're talking about the antimalaria. medication you take before you get it. yes yeah I had a friend who took that. and he was drinking apparently you're.

not supposed to take it and drink and he. he he went crazy like he got violent and. apparently probably larium the one you. take once a week that was exactly what. it was yeah yeah it'll make you. hallucinate and freak out but people. hear you say that you have a passion for. it you know and that you love being in. wildlife and I understand that but they. the big question would be why not just. go there and see those animals like why. would you want to go and kill an. elephant like what is what is it what is. it about I I you know it's the same.

thing it's hard for hard for me to put. it in words but I mean I believe that. human beings are a part of the cycle of. life I believe your eyes are in the. front of your head I believe you have K9. teeth not freeing eating salad salad's. good for you though it's great eat it. have it up okay and so I believe that's. why you have them I believe that we are. predators I believe it's a part of us. and so for me to explain something that. is a part of me it's hard like that it's. hard for to say and and and I think.

people get caught up in well you just. enjoy the killing it's like you don't. you don't hunt to kill it's you kill to. have hunted in a lot of ways and and. I've been on 12 you don't hunt to kill. you kill to have hunted what do you mean. by. that if if you're a. hunter you're going out hunting you're. not going out killing if I like killing. things I'd work at the chill chicken. plant and I'd get 11,000 chickens every. day if I really got a thrill out of. killing stuff okay and I've gone on like.

I've gone on 12 like hunts that I went. on unsuccessful sheep hunts and those. are some of the best hunts that I ever. had and it wasn't anything about killing. the animal or not killing the animal. yeah it's a goal but that was kind of. part of the reason that brought me to. those places you're not going to go to. these places man for no reason okay. you're not thinking when people think. about you know Africa they're thinking. about the Masai Mara and a nice East. African or or Krueger Park type photo. Safari you're not going into to darkest. Africa on the border of the Congo or in.

in the Congo or you know these nasty. places in the world to go take pictures. most people aren't going to do it n n. even the photo people you're going to. get to like the rawest of the raw that. are going to go and do that stuff it's. brutal on you it's not comfortable you. go out and hang out with you know with. pygmies who are very tough people for. instance been to Cameroon and they're. waking up every morning a lot of them. you know it's their lives are hard okay. it's not. nice existence and you go out there and.

exist with them it's it's a different. thing so you you feel compelled to go to. these places and compelled to hunt. absolutely but and see people have like. they found out you're killing you know. an antelope or something like that seems. normal you know you're shooting that you. eat it but shooting an elephant to. people they have a hard time with it. because they're intelligent and they're. social creatures and they know each. other for they have insane memory these. animals are intelligent are they really.

white deer if they're hunted really. intelligent wolf extremely intelligent. wolves are very intelligent yeah okay. they're they're look in a in in a in a. way in an inate way to stay alive. they're they're much more intelligent. about their environment than you and I. ever would because that's their home and. they live in it. so it's a it's a different thing and. yeah elephants are they intelligent. absolutely okay do they have ethics and. emotions no I mean outside of you know.

rawest form I think it I've been around. animals that I thought were angry well. they definitely have emotions right they. get upset at dead loved ones but ethics. that's you know a human construct there. you go and that's what happens is when. people are trying to apply human. constructs to animals what right does. the antalope have not to be killed by. the. jaguar or or or I'm sorry the leopard. mhm what right does it have not to be. killed by the leopard I mean it's it's a. part of its life that's that makes sense.

to people what doesn't make sense is the. desire I think for some people there's a. desire to go over there and shoot. beautiful animals like what the white. tail deer is beautiful it's killed every. day I agree okay but it seems normal to. people because it's killed every day. because we kill it and we eat it an. elephant seems like something that you. see at the circus it seems like. something there you go there's the whole. thing it's there's 250,000 elephants in. subsaharian Africa how endangered does. that sound to you yeah that's I that's.

true I wanted to get to that but okay. the you asked normal people the average. person with the average um you know uh. exposure to elephants and they think. they're endangered okay unfortunately. it's not true in South Subs a Africa in. places like C it's true they're in. trouble and in these places sometimes. they actually have to kill these. elephants because they start encroaching. in human territory and. stom population control I know a guy who. killed 12200 elephants Jesus Christ.

okay. 12200 why did he do that population. control so he lives down there yeah well. I don't even know if he's still alive. now but anyway yeah that was his thing. well he worked for the government. killing them and when you do this you. have to spend a considerable amount of. money to kill an elephant right not. necessarily what do you consider a. considerable amount of money how much. does it cost well I mean you can go over. there sometimes I mean I know people. have shot him for a couple thousand. dollars you could shoot an elephant for. population you're not you're not. bringing the Tusk home you're just.

shooting it and then the village eating. it and what do they do with the tusks. that would be like on a cow probably. just a female in population TR I mean. the the least that I've ever heard of. anybody shooting a bull elephant for you. know recent times probably like $8,000. 6,000 8,000 bucks and then the. government just keeps a Tusk and the. government keeps a Tusk and does what. with them I don't know it depends what. you know what do they put them in. storage I don't know exactly what they. do with them yeah that's a weird thing. because of the ivory trade like the. poaching and the ivory trade I mean. that's what we see all the time when we.

connect elephants with death we see. these animals they're sought off tusks. and you know and that the rest was left. behind that's poachers that's criminals. horrible. criminals so if you go over and you. shoot uh an elephant you shoot a bull. elephant you can't bring the tusks back. yes you can you can in certain like if. you shoot one in South Africa or Namibia. right now you can import them you can. absolutely I thought there was a ban. only in uh they they shut down Zimbabwe.

until they change their structure it's. not because there's not enough elephants. there they have you know thousands and. thousands of elephants in Tanzania they. shut down the import for for different. reasons you know with regards to. poaching and whatnot and so the only. thing that kills elephants is rarely. Lions will kill them right um I think. than people other elephants other. elephants yeah and so it's one of those. Apex animals that if people don't step. in and do something about the population.

they destroy the habitat and they can. get out that's batswana bwana yeah. Eastern Botswana is bad in that they. destroy it's like a tornado in a lot of. places I went to a place the place that. I hunted elephant was in Botswana and it. really looked like a hurricane had come. through it just looked like the whole. landscape was demolished and it was just. because of elephant absolutely you're. dealing with some enormous I mean how. how much does a big elephant. weigh you know I mean well over 10,000. PBS I gu 14 I mean the biggest one I've.

probably seen I would have guessed 14. foot tall it's a huge animal it's a. different experience hunting an elephant. yeah I would imagine you know it's a. totally different thing and you the the. thing that you have to understand there. there's different reasons to hunt. different things okay you know it's not. like a hunting is some GI giant just. broad. stroke and in in the case of elephant. you if you want people to to have a.

positive benefit local people who really. determine like the survival of any. animals local people okay you have to. put a positive benefit on that for them. if it's just living next door to an. elephant you don't want that if it's. living next door to a lion you don't. want that okay and and and so you're. trying to understand that you have to. give them a reason to keep it there or. it's not going to be there did you ever. see leis theose documentary on the. hunting camps in. Africa it's very interesting it's very.

good if you don't know who lisis tho is. he's a documentarian from the UK and uh. he he really gets very very thorough on. subjects and he spent a lot of time in. this South African huny camp but it got. down to the end of it and you know he. was pastoring this guy who ran this Camp. to the point where the guy said you. don't get it afria is [ __ ] F he goes. it's [ __ ] he goes they destroy the.

only way you you going to keep these. [ __ ] animals is if they were. something must been a French pH I think. he was uh the way you're talking what he. was no it's 100% but that's what he's. saying it has to be worth something dude. I look at it like the people in a lot of. people in the western world are looking. at it through an ethereal mist and not. getting it if it is if it pays it will. stay period right if it pays it's going. to stay do you think the part of the. problem. with people and their perceptions of.

hunting is just based on this really. weird insulated world that we live in. you could just go to the store and buy. meat and most people the vast majority. 100% let me be clear. 100% that's the problem that is the. problem and in addition to that they. think that teone and Pumba who are. Disney characters created by a couple. guys and drawn up and given. personalities my daughters love them. okay and so do mine. okay but they're not real exactly okay.

the real teone and Pumba are out there. fighting for their lives and would eat. each other okay all right that's the way. it works and would eat you they would. eat you they would do anything like okay. the real animals out there are doing. anything they can to survive yeah you. saw that woman who's the editor from. Game of Thrones got pulled out of her. car last week saw yeah [ __ ] that's a. real lion that's a real lion that's not. the Lion King that's not no and even. that was in a part situation fenced in.

okay like and not one thing people don't. like Lon is a big deal with me I've. hunted a lion been on many lion hunt do. you eat lions you don't eat lions in. general Cameron Hayes was going to eat a. lion if he shot it he yeah well that. dude would eat a shoe if he shot that's. fine but it's not the reason that's not. the reason to go hunting line well what. is the reason to go hunting line to in. reality if you want to keep Lions around. in Wild areas that aren't parked you. have to have a local benit fit for it. that's the best reason you have to have.

some sort of financial incentive for the. people in the area Financial incentive. for people in the areas and also. prevents poachers by hiring Rangers well. or just like for instance in this black. rhino situation there wasn't anybody and. they're going to rat out where these. Black Rhinos were at you deal you go to. South Africa and I was actually hunting. in a place the other day that was in the. middle of the Rhino War okay while I was. there they killed a poacher the night. that one of the kns I was there okay and. it's a real deal those people are having. to lie detector test their staff monthly.

okay it's real simple I saw this because. the staff are poachers their staff are. tipping off poachers whoa okay people in. the government are tipping off poachers. it's easy deal okay well I just saw a. white rhino is and a black rhino you got. to keep that in mind okay black rhino is. what you shot yes and a white rhino. which was brought back from 30 animals. to over 20,000 because of incentivizing. people to own them and them being able. to sell them on a hunting Market okay.

and for whatever other reasons they were. put into private ownership they went. from 30 animals to 20,000 wow okay the. white Rhino's very docile in general not. all of them okay and they're much I mean. you would they're just easier to to be. around a black rhino has not a lot of. Tolerance in Wild areas I mean you saw. that on our hunt it charged dead tried. to kill him okay so anyway um White. Rhino are just more docile they're going.

to be hanging around whatever that's. easier for the poachers to kill and. obviously there's more of them a lot. more and. so anyway it's just an easy animal for. poachers to get and if they somebody. sees it on the side of the road they. they tip off the local guy okay they. were paying between $800 and $1,000 per. bullet on the black market to kill these. white rno or any Rhino $800 to $1,000. per bullet that's what a poer would pay. I don't what do you mean by per bullet.

buying a bullet on the black market to. put in this gun and go poach or Rhino. pow they have to pay that much for a. bullet that's what these people were. paying cuz they got 375 you can't go. kill a rhino in general with just a. freaking 22 right okay so to get a 375. or 458 bullet that's what they were. paying to to get that bullet so they had. to get the bullets through illegal means. as well absolutely they're criminals. right it's not like you and I are. getting together and going out there and. saying let's go kill a rhino today okay. and we're going to go get our bullets we. bought on Fair and legal here in the.

United States or wherever we buy them I. think another issue um that Lewis. thorough C uh covered in his documentary. and that a lot of people are not aware. of is that a lot of the Lions or excuse. me a lot of the animals in Africa that. are being hunted on a regular basis were. on the verge of Extinction just two DEC. two decades ago maybe three okay and. when they started doing those hunting. camps now these animals are thriving and. the reason why they're thriving is. because they're worth money and that. that bothers people it bothers people. the idea that the only way these animals.

are surviving and thriving is if. somebody is willing to pay money to go. over there and hunt them because these. people who are sitting there looking at. it ain't doing a damn thing to save them. Joe okay they're they're saving them to. death by making uneducated comments and. throwing up just typing 75 characters. into Twitter or your Facebook page isn't. saving a rhino it's making you feel. better and these people's feelings are. in the way of the actual conserv of. wildlife through the people who know how. to conserve wildlife well this is.

something that for me as an outsider who. slowly ventured into the world of. hunting I had to learn and that's why I. kind of sympathize with the people that. are on the outside that aren't aware of. all this when someone says you I. couldn't imagine someone going to Africa. and shooting these animals it's so. [ __ ] up I take a deep breath long. conversation def Define what you just. said what screwed up about it well. what's they their idea is that you're. going over there with blood lust you're. on this this orgy of murder over there.

gunning down all these different animals. and posing with their their heads that's. their idea and it's wrong well it it. also it doesn't cover the reality of the. money that's involved in paying for. those tags and going over there and. flying over there and paying for these. hunting camps to stay open has kept. these animals in enormous populations. where they were dying off just 20 years. ago that's a reality and it's the only. only reality that we have documented in. Africa right now as far as conservation.

of a lot of these game anim especially. outside the Parks look look a lot of the. a lot of the parks are are are spared. because they're surrounded by game. Management areas and game okay and. hunting areas and sometimes they have to. take those parks and they have to have. either someone come in and minimalize or. or or control the population and kill. some of the animals because they get too. high or they have to open them up for. hunters yeah I guess the best way I. could put this is this most everybody.

would agree that humans are complicit in. the plight of a lot of these animals do. you agree with that yes okay then why. shouldn't humans be complicit in saving. them and keeping them around okay. through a traditional method that has. worked in conservation for hundreds and. hundreds of years look the idea not to. hunt wasn't a part of humanity Humanity. for just recently maybe last couple. hundred years into the Forefront maybe. the last 30 to 50 years okay it wasn't.

an it wasn't nobody thought about it. we're going hunting well before. Refrigeration it was like one of the. only we have to do it on a regular basis. 75 years ago we were basically an. agrarian society in a lot more ways. right and people looked they had if. they're going to have lamb chops they're. going out there and killing that lamb. right there okay how many people who eat. lamb chops today are going to go out and. kill that lamb almost none and that's. where it gets weird it's very weird and. and to you and I I've heard you speak. about it becomes very hypocritical it is.

it's 100% hypocritical but it's also. wild that the hypocritical is the most. common it's more common to be. hypocritical about meat than it is to. not because of this system that we've. set up that's very effective that allows. you to go to any store anywhere you want. and just buy meat instantly how long did. it become how long did it take you to. truly understand martial arts and. everything about it it's a long time and. you still don't know everything about it. no okay but how how many years I think I. was probably just getting started about.

10 years in would you look like do you. do you think most people would consider. you an expert in martial arts if not I. don't know who is okay all right I mean. I get paid to do it so okay you get paid. to do it it's your life all right so if. I was going to ask you a question about. martial arts or a move in martial arts. or what it took you give me a good. answer okay when it comes to most Styles. some Styles I don't know that much about. then it's no different in this look I've. watched. I can't tell how many fights that you've. done okay that You' that you've been.

color for okay and I can sit there and. say this or that or the other but to be. inside that ring I can't imagine what. that's like so I'm not going to say I. know what it's like to be one of these. ultimate athletes I I can't imagine what. that's like I can't imagine what you. have to put your mind through your. family through. everything it's the exact same thing. with this all right I've done this since. I was 16 years old now I'm not an expert. on Wild Life management or wildlife. biology I trust experts when it comes to.

hunting pretty close to you know you. could ask almost everybody in the. international Hunting Community I think. they would say that Cory knows a lot. about it so it's you have to be in it to. really understand it okay you you can't. just be from the outside in and what it. comes is there's so much look hate and. anger are the lowest hanging fruit it's. the easiest thing to reach to and today. we're in a era of Rush to outrage this. techn technological social media world.

has it's just like a giant boom shift. and I think we're still lost in that and. and 20 years ago if I went on a rhino. hunt nobody would have known about it. nobody would have cared about it they. know hunting exists maybe they do maybe. they don't and things went along now the. squeakiest will gets the grease the. people who are the most outraged okay. they talk about it they scream about it. and if you're someone who gets a lot of. attention like your actor comedian. whatever they're looking at these people.

you know at their comments and they look. at the headline they don't look into it. any more than that because we have a. very short attention span news now is. headline headline headline headline. headline trust me I know I've been a. part of it you know this will I've. talked about the black rhino a lot it. goes away and if some event came up it. come right back and it as soon as it. comes up it's gone again you know next. and for the animal rights people. there'll be somebody who will kill a. dolphin or stab a frog or whatever and. they'll move on to that so have you had. a debate with anybody in the animal. rights movement lots of them and what.

was what was their take on this when you. when you try to explain your point of. view you try to explain that this is an. aggressive older male that's not. breeding anymore that had killed at. least one young bull was a danger to the. breeding population of an extinct or an. endangered rather let me let me do it. again animal rights movement like a. hardcore I've talked to a few of them. okay and after they get done talking to. me almost every one of them you know. finds some Middle Ground okay um Animal.

Welfare which was why I would say. there's a huge difference between animal. rights and Animal Welfare Animal Welfare. I promise you or you and me nobody wants. to see an animal mistreated nobody wants. to see an animal suffer we understand. that animals are used for part of human. human humanity and we probably wouldn't. survive in the world without them the. way we do now okay animal rights is a. total different thing all right to some. of those people it's a religion okay. it's it is there Li I would agree with. you okay and you know somebody like I.

watched um you know I really hate but. there was a person that you did a a a. show you talked with on Opie and Anthony. a while back who's a one of the leaders. of der yeah yeah and so he comes out and. and and says things and you know he said. a bunch of inflammatory things towards. me and towards anybody else right and. it's not it's not it's about his emotion. about it it's not about if that if the. facts are helping the black rhino. survive these people would rather there. not be an interaction with humans and. animals they think the second of freedom.

of you releasing your pet okay some of. them is and if it got hit by a car right. over there that minute of freedom is. better than a lifetime being Joe Joe. Run's pet they obviously haven't seen my. dogs okay and then they lump they lump. pets in they lump pets in uh I'm sorry. they lump Animal Welfare in with them. they try to make like that they're. bigger because they get these Animal. Welfare people and a lot of those Animal. Welfare people hate that they don't want. to be lumped in with them you know cuz.

they know that you know like Michael J. fox said that he doesn't look at an ant. any you the life of an any more or less. v um valuable than the life of his son. you know what yeah he really said that. check it out bro yeah but he's got a. disease that shit's [ __ ] with his. brain I think this was a long time ago. but anyway they say a lot of things like. that that's an insane thing to say okay. but that's that's that's obviously. you're talking about a certain that. religious side of it the ideological. side and the problem they have really.

especially with me is that I had a. gigantic mountain of facts and. scientific material wildlife. biology on on my side of the argument I. talked with a guy um for a different. show they're doing a documentary on this. um it's show called Radio Lab I don't. know if you know they did love that show. they did a 2hour docu or I don't know. how long it's going to be a huge. documentary one of the guys came over. with me on this.

hunt and uh I talked with a this guy. Robert I don't know what his last name. is cwitch or something okay you know. what I'm talking about yeah I know. exactly okay I'm a big fan of that show. okay so I talked with him at length last. week and a half ago mhm 90minut. conversation and what I found is the. more intelligent the person you have. this debate with the much easier the. debate is to have and so I I talked to. him about it he didn't get it he does.

get like you know what drives you or me. to go hunting mhm but he told me I had. one of the best hard arguments if not. the best that he'd ever gone up against. that this placing value on them is going. to keep them around at the end of it at. the very end of the conversation he was. like Corey you know you have a really. great sense of Honor for this and I. really respect it it's refreshing and I. think you're right and so but it took 90. minutes of going through like I said.

that ethereal mist of all the BS that's. out here about this subject manufactured. outrage manufactured outrage okay by a. lot of times why people are profiting. off of it I mean Peta you know killing. all these pets you know however many. they have yeah that's a hard part for. people to swallow okay if they don't. know tell tell people if they don't know. the the facts behind well they're. killing thousands of pets a year and. they just uiz them because they can't. take. they're just killing okay so it's it's. extremely.

hypocritical and how the [ __ ] do they. justify that I there's no kill animal. shelters I don't understand how they. don't run something like that I look. spay a new to your pets if all the pets. are spay or new there ain't going to be. any any pets left right okay. it's you're dealing you're dealing. with almost psychotic. level ideological people you know what. my favorite ones are the people break. into restaurants and release lobsters.

back into the ocean that's. great you know I can tell you this for. these people who called up and or called. me sent me messages threaten to kill my. children setting to burn my house down. rape my wife every single thing that you. could ever imagine I mean for those. people to say they're going to do that. it just in of itself is ridiculous and. hypocritical right okay you're you're. against killing but you're you're. willing to kill me you're willing to. kill and rape and kill your children.

kill babies absolutely that had nothing. to do with the Rhino at all had nothing. to do with any of it look my wife hunts. my kids hunt I guess they want to kill. them for that they want to kill them. they look I'm mad it's not about what. you're doing it's about my feelings and. my feelings are more important than what. you're doing if it's right or wrong and. what they want to do is show you somehow. or another what it's like to be feared. or to be in fear to be you know how many. people came to my face Joe and said one. thing how about. yeah zero yeah most people wouldn't okay.

and and I will sit here and talk with. any of them well I think that's a real. problem with social media the the real. problem is anonymity and the lack of the. social consequences when if I look at. you in the eye and I say something. really [ __ ] up to you and you raise. your eyebrows at me like what the [ __ ]. did you just say and then we I feel that. and you feel it and I feel it but when. you just say something mean on Facebook. it hits that person you say I hope your. [ __ ] whole family dies in a fire you. know those Ryan rhinos are Majestic you. go on about your day you don't even get. a response back you don't feel anything.

back yeah and that and that that makes. him mad too but I responded a lots of. them I retweet them I let other people. respond I had a bunch of people angry at. me because I went bear hunting and I I. just retweeted a lot of their [ __ ] and. like you're a bully you know you're a. bully you you sick your [ __ ]. followers I don't sick anybody you put. some [ __ ] on the internet I let people. know about it I didn't even say anything. go ahead look at it do you did you do. you feel and how many people came out. after you about the bear a lot a lot but. I feel like there was a tremendous. amount of ignorance on their part first.

of all because I do eat bear people were. saying you know you're killing it you're. not eating it um I absolutely eat it I. like eating them they're delicious and. you have to keep the population down and. you also you're dealing with an animal. that kills The Fawns of all the Moose. all the elk all the deer that live up. there your facts are getting in the way. of their feelings it's true well it's. also what Steve Rella has this great. phrase It's called charismatic megap and. the anthrop perom morphic of these. animals like Yogi Bear and wi the Pooh.

they are locked into people's head these. [ __ ] Disney depictions of bears are. locked in people's heads this is what's. saving the animals to death well you. know what it is is just it's not doing a. damn thing but get people getting the. outrage of it's keeping people look it. kept the contribution for more money. going you see what I'm saying well in. California it's [ __ ] up a lot of. things California these ideas have. actually I mean California doesn't even. have a fishing game department fishing. Wildlife yeah well say they can call it. what they but they call it what they.

call it it's run by people who are more. animal activists and they are pro. hunting they have no M they have no. mountain lion seas in here and because. of that there's a lot of [ __ ]. mountain lions oh no no no doubt about. it there's a place called dhone Ranch. that I hunt out of they have one water. hole that they have a a trail cam on. they found 16 different Mountain lines. what's IM balance about that what's in. Balance about that there's no balance. it's crazy these the guys who work on. the ranch they don't like it at all not. a goddamn thing they can do unless one. of them is threatening unless one of.

them takes out livestock or becomes a. threat to people they can't do a damn. thing about it and when that does happen. then they have to fill out all this. paperwork it becomes like a huge. nightmare they get investigated mhm. that's why we have a ton of game animals. in Texas and we don't have a ton of. mountain lions and that's how it should. be it's not like the mountain lion. population is endangered not any way. shape or form but they are goddamn. predators and they don't give a [ __ ]. about your kids they don't give a [ __ ]. about your mom they don't give [ __ ]. about anybody that might have to be on. that trail you're not going to have the.

um Predators for ethical treatment of. humans yeah do you think mountain lions. get tweeted when they kill someone's. dog we're dealing with the an extreme. hypocritical situation we're dealing. with an extreme lack of knowledge about. the subject matter and we're dealing. with people's emotions and look I have a. lot of compassion for their emotions I. understand it okay I care about these. animals too they may not get it okay and. to me I've definely did everything I. could from a personal standpoint of once. I was involved with the with the.

situation I I went to the more liberal. media Outlets to bring it to this okay I. could have gone on Fox News and I've. been preaching to the choir I brought. CNN with me on the hunt M yeah he did. okay so I I I went over there I was very. very honest and upfront with them about. everything that I went through. everything they saw they came and saw. the entire thing and so if you you if. you what I've seen is they got attacked.

because they said oh this was a. ridiculous you know y'all were so behind. him and involved with this man that is. crap well you know what that is is if. you don't share the opinions of the. people that oppose it then you're some. sort of a shill they did yeah they did. they yes absolutely once they get there. and that's the reality of the situation. I had some conversations with people. about this when this thing went down and. uh I said look I'm not going over there. to shoot any rhinos I'm I'm have no. desire to shoot a rhino but you got to. pay attention to what you're talking. about because you you can't just talk.

[ __ ] and say this guy's an [ __ ] and. this didn't Rino didn't need to be. killed you have to look at it from a. balanced perspective objectively with no. ideology attached to it and when you do. that you realize that there's a lot of. people a lot of conservationists a lot. of biologists who are pro culling of. certain animals in any population to. keep that population healthy it's again. it seems counterintuitive but it's. important what seems counterintuitive. about it well it seems counterintuitive. to the people outside they you looking.

at I'm going to kill an animal to save. the animal let's talk about the term. endangered for a second you cool with. that yes okay very crude drawing here of. Africa and let's say that you if an. animal is up here okay and then you have. or animal down here those are two. separate populations so you made Africa. you cut it in half I went to East and I. went to South okay okay so or what they. consider East Africa right all right if.

an animal up here is in trouble and. there's tons of them down here you're. going to. see Le you know whatever animal it is. just not going to use any specific on. endangered when this animal the same. species is fine right okay well also. because Africa is [ __ ] gigantic it's. gigantic this is if you look at Africa. this is United States yeah we've shown. that on T on the set before we we've. taken um an image of the continent of. Africa and you could put everything in. there you put China in there you put.

United States in there South America. yeah Russia's pretty goddamn big well I. flew in across Russia one time nine. hours and never left the country whoa. that's a big ass country so anyway the. if the animal up here is it's going to. be on the endangered species list even. though it's fine down here right okay so. for instance in Namibia if you pull up. go ahead and pull up Southwestern black. rhino on. Wikipedia okay and then I'll kind of.

walk you through this a little bit I. want to see him pull it up and let's see. if he pulls up the right one. Southwestern black rhino is a a. different subes subspecies oh okay so it. varies genetically in some sort of a way. okay now look right there at the. conservation status of the southwestern. black. rhino conservation status okay what does. that say V threatened vulnerable. vulnerable vulnerable does it say. endangered no it doesn't say endangered. it says vulnerable what's the difference.

wow why is it wow because it's not. endangered in Namibia it's not. endangered it's considered vulnerable. okay okay and that's the iucn list bro. that's the list that everyone looks to. so least concern is the highest level. least concern is Black Bass white tailed. deer okay and then what's NT NT is. near-threatened near threatened so it. goes from least concerned to near that. seems like a kind of a biased. designation to begin with it's not.

healthy population isn't even on the. list it's just least concerned yeah and. even when you get into vulnerable okay. you get in there least concerned that's. it's not a concern of going endangered. okay what's a heal you know healthy. population whatever it's not a concern. of going endangered but it's right next. to endangered that's the next. distinction no you got no it's right. next to. threatened V is vul concern Le concerned. threatened extinct okay and then you. have ews extinct in the wild uhhuh okay. so you have to get into this Okay the.

reason that they're not endangered on. this is because Namibia has a surplus. amount of them okay in Namibia it's not. an endangered situation they have a. surplus amount right when you say. Surplus people say look this guy's. talking about widgets you're talking. about tires talking about talking. carburators you I don't have a degree in. economics you know what I'm saying like. the the term Surplus to a living thing. it get gets people weirded out just yeah. that 7 billion humans or whatever we're. at is there is there enough of us I.

think there's a surplus people okay so. so so my point is you get into that in. Namibia they have a surplus amount okay. so what is a what is the population I. think man I can't tell you exactly but. it's I believe more than 2,000 you know. can it'll say on that yeah and the Black. Rhinos the ones that you hunted are. different or the same as this this. particular that's the one you hunted so. there's a few thousand of them yeah well. yeah that subspecies in Namibia and is. there other Black Rhinos there's.

different kinds of black there's. different subspecies of Black Rhinos. like for instance when you were saying. the one that was going extinct the one. that went extinct there was a western. black rhino that went extinct and what. is the difference in these rhinos like. how can they tell the difference is it. just different taxomony different things. about them you know. different versus a black tail no no no. no that would be two different species. that would be a deser desert mule deer. versus a Rocky Mountain mu deer. something like that well like mu deer. are weird where the the designation is.

the I5 like east of the I5 it's a black. tail West it's a mule deer yeah that's. another right there right there they. could be essentially the same it's just. like transferring over right right but. you if you shot one you would it would. be considered a mule deer in a specific. location if you shot the exact same. animal across the I5 it' be a black tail. that that day he's a black tail yeah so. this not like that with these rhinos. it's more no you're talking about more. or. distinct like like I said here here here.

okay they're they're total separate. populations so they have these animals. they they know that there's a a fairly. healthy amount of them and they're. trying to maintain and grow the. population through the resource of the. actual animal themselves so by by. auctioning off this big game hunt and. spending $350,000 they then take all. this money it's accounted for very. meticulously it goes into this. conservation fund it all pays for what. Rangers and what all sorts of different.

thing it went into the namibian game. products trust fund it has a list of. these things you could pull that up too. I'm sure if you wanted to I mean but. it's a list of things you're you're. going through it okay so you know. basically it had for the US fishing. Wildlife to allow the importation of it. they had to find a non- detriment. finding meaning that the taking of this. animal is not detriment to the species. and it had to have a positive finding as. well positive me positive benefit okay. to the species so do you have this. animal now no are you eventually going.

to get it yes so are they stuffing it. for you no it's still and it's it has to. go through a process before it's. important in the United States I mean. it's only been I don't know how long. it's not even it's not been a month. since I hunted the animal so they take. it and they they're going to ship it to. you do they tax aerm no that'll happen. over here okay and you will just put. this in your house or something like. that well I mean like I said I've said. this a lot of times and I have to look. through it. through what the permit actually allows. me to do as my personal property I can't. ever sell it I can't do stuff like that.

okay but what I want to do and you know. and I'm going to talk to them about this. once it gets here is can I loan it to. different Museum put it on display at. different places you know to keep. awareness alive about it I never was in. this cuz I was like oh I can't wait to. have a black Rino that's not what I was. in this for well what were you in it for. like what was your ultimate goal when. you decided to spend that money and take. that trip and shoot that Rhino what what. was I belief system in sustainable use. as a and and and within that hunting as.

a tool to of sustainable use to keep. animals alive so did you recognize this. was a high-profile situation and it. would be something that you would could. use as a platform no I didn't recognize. that I mean I was told that day when we. had the auction that my name wouldn't. come out for a while it came out like. within a few hours of the auction. somebody tweeted it it wasn't even. supposed to be spoke of right then and. then it came out and I kind of felt to. be honest bullied you know I was. like you know I believed in this enough.

to be a part of it now now it's out it. is what it is I can't do anything about. it it wasn't my desire okay I knew it. would eventually come out and I I dude. no I don't think anybody could have. expected what would happen with it I I. mean I didn't expect to the degree of it. I've seen other things but I've never. seen anything to this degree well we. live in a new world you know we live in. a world of instant instant outrage and. instant reaction to that outrage you. know if this had taken place 20 years. ago you you really had no recourse no no.

one I mean even if they got upset they. got upset and they're small groups they. read the paper together like someone did. you see this this guy shot a rhino [ __ ]. that guy and that'd be the end of it. they there was no way to reach out to. now that conversation is for everybody. to see yes for everybody to see. everybody to join in everybody to take. the moral High ground and and very few. people to take a nuanced objective look. at it and realize wow like uh there's. this's a lot of gray area like many. things in life I'll tell you a real. interesting deal when it first happened.

some children whose parents were. activist okay they wrote me a letter. about why I was doing this okay they. told you why you were doing no they. asked they asked me not to do it and. they did this letter okay and I did this. interview with these kids I had like. this guy was doing a documentary about. them or whatever came down and asked me. if he if I would talk to them and their. kids which you know I did that I was. very nice and very calm and cool with. them I've had been with everybody really. and.

uh they they asked me a lot of questions. that were really you know to me I. considered you know almost like common. knowledge type questions but then I. asked them. this and I said if there's three Black. Rhinos. left okay and let's say it's one male or. two males and a cow or whatever and and. one's killing the other. two can you shoot that black.

rhino okay they're going to be gone you. don't have time to think about it this. is the moment can you kill that Rhino to. save the. species okay and the the boy the older. boy kind of got it this this is deep in. the conversation this is after you know. 30 minutes in he was kind of coming. around okay but the girl was she was. younger and she was pretty much stuck. with it but I I pressed around I was. like well you know look you've asked me. all these questions answered everything. can you do this you know if you really. believe in the survival of these black. rhino and she's like I just don't know.

and I was like well that's why we have. experts that do know and that they exist. and that they're in charge of this and. so you yourself Joe could you kill that. black rhino would you kill that black. rhino to save the species yeah okay it's. it just immediately immediately just. seems like if one of them is trying to. kill the other one and you're talking. about in it's like it's a. pragmatic answer to a complex question. that's right you have to do it you you. have to do it or you have to let them go. extinct those are your two options.

that's your options right now yeah. that's it okay if the one kills the. other one and who knows if he dies in. the process cuz it's not like the one's. going to let the other one kill him. they're going to fight they're going to. fight they're going to impale each other. with those [ __ ] horns yeah they might. get infected and die and they might be. the end of it right there so that to me. that's a look albeit a extremely. oversimplified question to a very. complicated thing right okay when you're. dealing with these Wildlife experts that. put this together that's kind of the.

question they're going through okay. that's part of the question but it's. it's very complicated when you start. putting value on things and trying to. figure out which rhinos which you know. way which method which place which. Community with all these things that's. the big question what are we going to. do to keep these animals alive and. unfortunately for these animals they. cannot AFF for the morality of the. average person and the average person.

person's thought process on this they. can't afford it okay you they need. experts they need money and they need a. value anytime you put a hunting license. on something you put a value on it okay. I've one time I don't know man the. second season of professionals we went. down to Paraguay and we went and darted. Jaguars okay they didn't have you say. darted them you're talking about. tranquilizing them so they could tag. them we put callers on them radio. callers and we moved one.

okay if and we moved it to get it out of. an area where it was a threat of being. poached by the local Indian tribe. unfortunately two weeks later it went. back to that same area and they killed. it okay they're like we'll give you the. Jaguar hide but you know we want $80 for. this collar okay it it meant nothing to. them it had no value on it. now had that Jaguar been worth 20,000. bucks or anything to their Community.

they'd have done anything in the world. to protect it it's that simple I mean if. you have gold running around in your. backyard you're not going to protect it. it's I that's why I have such a a real. issue with these with people like not. understanding this just imagine this. this rhino's horn on the black Market's. worth whatever it's worth three times. the weight of gold something like that. that's insane okay all right now now. that's on a black illegal market now if. you put a value of it three times the.

weight of gold on an illegal market and. you have no value on it in a legal. Market what's going to. happen people going to kill it and. they're going to sell it illegally okay. let's talk about you know I mean I don't. know how far I'm going with this and if. it's even the right direction. but if you just put a blanket no okay. how well would that work like in. something like uh keeping people from. doing drugs how well did it work on on. alcohol in the 20s okay blanket no and. then you take enforcement out of it how.

well would it work doesn't work at all. okay in Paraguay they had no way to. enforce their laws they had no people. out in the field doing it so what's. going to happen it's not worth anything. animal are going to get poached cuz. there wore something dead there wor well. those weren't even worth anything. nobody's paying them anything for it. they were a negative benefit to the. community they were were worried about. our goat they were killing goats they. were killing whatever so they're killing. them just to protect their Liv yeah and. and their life look I mean the idea of. death by wild animal isn't something we.

deal with here in the United States. rarely very rarely but I mean you're not. walking down the streets of LA thinking. this mountain line is going to freaking. rip my head off today okay if you're in. like Zambia and you're rolling down in. the evening time in rule Zambia okay and. you're on a bike you're thinking lion. might be around. here okay and you know people have been. killed by lion it's a different thing. okay now let's say you live out there. Joe this Line's worth nothing to to you. alive okay now you go out there it's.

killed some of your livestock your. property is damaged what are you going. to do you're going to kill the line okay. it's killed your it's killed your child. what are you going to do you're going to. kill the line okay now if you know. there's no benefit coming why not poison. around here let's put some poison in. this will kill the whole. pride and that's what they wind up doing. that's exactly what they wind up doing a. lot of places people I think have a real. issue with monetary like attaching money.

attaching a monetary value to life. people have a dude people have a real. issue with lots of things Joe there's. people who don't here the the thing I. learned about my situation was you don't. realize how many people hate you just. because whatever you believe okay you. know if if you're a Christian there's. people that hate you if you're Muslim. there's people that hate you if you're. an atheist there's people that hate you. if you're if you're gay there's people. that hate you if you're this there's. there just not exposed to that level of. hate I got exposed to the level of hate. that people have for me okay back in the.

day you lived Your Life I Lived my life. it was more I mean it was almost more of. a Libertarian existence CU I would never. have anything to do with you okay and. today on social media I'm in a room with. thousands of people that hate me anytime. I get on it okay they hated me to the. extent my Facebook's gone dude I can't. did you delete it no it's I can't get on. it it won't allow me to get on it what. do you mean it won't allow me to get on. it I do it right now I'll do it in front. of you it says it's disabled I put my I. put my um my uh email address in there.

it says it doesn't recognize it that. happened it they had to have did you. contact Facebook yeah through all these. things through their method and then I'm. just like I'm done with it you know I. couldn't figure it out I'm done I I'm. not the computer genius or wherever and. I had like I I had tons of people under. 20,000 people you know and uh there were. just mainly a lot of those were 100 but. it's gone and so they took my voice out. of it right there well that's in a lot. ways it was good for my family if you if. you if you look at it like these four. walls like Joe's got to go home he's got.

to be with his kids his family right my. mom my wife we go on there theyd look at. all the hate and it' make them upset I. mean I got skin thicker than the Rhino. now you could have whoever in the world. sitting over here telling me whatever. and I I mean this because of this. absolutely what was it like when it. first started coming at you a different. story what was that like like a just a. giant ra you know different like raging. wall of emotion you know I'm like I'm. angry I'm upset you know things like. that but you realize that what what made.

me feel a lot better was a lot of the. people that would just say you know. Karma type threat you know wish you die. hope you get cancer whatever I would. respond to them when they'd send me. those message nine out of 10 maybe even. more than that said it was just a need. of jerk reaction and apologize they. realized there was a human on the other. side of it so you think when they see. you on CNN or they see you on a website. they see your face of photograph they. don't necessarily think of you as a. person they think of you as an. expression of something they disagree.

with here's a name on something I don't. like and you went back and forth with. these people for a few days or how long. I mean usually the first message really. yeah I mean I if I still had it I could. show you how much time did you spend. doing this Lots I cared did you ever. reach out to Ricky D I would I'd love to. talk to him about it you know I mean. look he's AED he can probably get it I. searched his name you know and well he. loves animals yeah yeah I searched his. name and it came up right underneath.

Ricky Martin it's probably a good place. for him how dare you I mean he's Liv in. lav Loca leave him alone in Miami look. man look whatever I'm I'm open mind to. it I honestly I think if he was sitting. here with me you've set with him what. would he say well when I talked to him. he didn't have any problem with what I. was doing I told him that I hunt for. food I don't hunt things that I don't. eat uh and I practice very hard make. sure that if I shoot something it dies. quick that's very ethical and there was.

really not much you could say I don't. even know if he's a vegetarian is he a. vegetarian I don't know man I look man. I'm living my life my kids bro I. understand I had arguments with people. online I found out that they had a dog. and I'm like what do you feed your dog. [ __ ] what are you feeding your. dog honestly Joe if you could bring him. here if you could get that dude to come. here and set with me I would love. nothing more than it you know any of. them I talk to anybody about it do you. think that there's like a so certain. social currency to standing up for. Animals certain social currency to. taking that photo putting it online and.

going how dare you what do you think man. I think there is absolutely there is I. think people do certain things not just. because they believe it but also they. they put it out there because they want. everyone to know they believe it CU it. it jazzes them up I honestly if he was. here I would show him nothing but love I. would I care about him as a human being. and you know he called me a murdering. scumbag is that what he did how dare. yeah whatever what about the Rhino you. shot a murderer yeah it doesn't matter. the facts doesn't matter you're like a.

rhino cop so look I if he was here I'd. hug him I'd be nice to him I'd tell. jokes with him okay look I understand. hey look here's the thing I understand. that I was in front of him as an agenda. he's a comedian okay and he is a he's a. professional comedian right okay and he. feels passionate about stuff okay he can. say what he wants and I'm sure he can. take a joke as good as he can give a. joke I would hope so yes he can okay. sure so so so I don't have a problem. with that I understand that I was just. something for him to talk about that day. it doesn't bother me I don't I don't.

take any of this stuff you know maybe. just a slat Tad personally it would be. inhuman to say I don't take all of it. personally I take some of it personally. you know what I mean um but that's a. very healthy approach to it that'll. definitely help you I mean what are you. going to do I'm going to sit there and. look at all the anger and hate in the. world and let that change me if you sit. with the devil you don't change I mean. the devil doesn't change you do the. consequences of actually acquiring food. are just so much more brutal than people. want to imagine um chick chicken.

McNuggets aside even getting grain you. know I I watched this thing on the the. machines that they use to to get corn. and wheat from Fields those [ __ ]. things are brutal they they they chop. down everything that's in that field and. they catch fawns and rabbits and. squirrels and just anything that gets in. front of those wheels just gets churned. up and sliced part so the only way. you're going to buy Grain is you I mean. you're going to buy it in a store unless.

you're growing your own grain and. picking it by hand you're most likely. involved in some sort of animal murder. whether you want to believe it or not. it's the the reality of being a human. being in these they're trying to. disconnect us from who we are and what. we are as regards the cycle of life well. don't you think they're trying to do. that because they are Disconnected by. the system that they istent absolutely I. think that was one of the main reasons. why I wanted to get into hunting cuz I.

recognized a big contradiction and as a. a comedian as a person who thinks about. [ __ ] a lot I look at things that don't. make any sense and I just go how is this. how come this doesn't make any sense and. so many people just accept it you you. just you just hit it you said as a. person who thinks about things a lot. okay you didn't say a person to reacts. to everything that I see immediately. okay you have the benefit of time Joe. you have the benefit of self-reflection.

all right you I read about you a little. bit you said to did the self-deprivation. chambers all these things right to. you're trying to find out who you are as. a person and you're trying to find out. where you're at as a person you're. questioning things you're question. things thoughts and feelings and. emotions you have okay I don't think by. and large a lot of people that live. everyday life have the opportunity to do. that or take the opportunity to do that. I don't I don't think a lot of people do. I think you're probably right and I. think there's also the reality that. we're all under the influence of the. momentum of culture and when cultures.

when cultures accepts certain types of. behavior and certain types of behavior. are not prevalent like hunting that. those types of behavior that aren't. prevalent get mocked or minimalized or. misunderstood and that I think when you. you deal with the the system that we all. operate under there's a few people that. are really aware of what the system. really truly is and those are the people. that work in the slaughterhouse hous. those are the people that breed the. cattle those are the people that work in. these insane confined chicken factories.

where they just stuff all these [ __ ]. animals where they've made laws where. you're not allowed to take photos you. can go to jail if you work in one of. those plants or if you sneak into one of. those plants and take photos of the. ridiculously inhumane conditions that. these chickens and these pigs there's. different states have made laws because. it's inconvenient for people to know the. truth it's like no different than the. out that people had when you couldn't. show uh coffins when you couldn't show. uh American flag draped coffins they.

they were putting a ban on them in the. media after the Gulf War started and. people were freaking out they're like. look this is my [ __ ] family dying. over there you're telling me you can't. take a picture of the coffin that my. family's on because you don't want. people to know the reality of people. dying well that's insane it's. information it's all it is and when. they're trying to keep information from. you in any way shape or form that's. always bad make your own [ __ ]. opinions devise your own opinion or come. up with your own opinions on things but. you have to be able to have access to. information to have a really informed.

opinion well and there's not been a day. and age that I think we've had more. access to information and it seems like. people would rather get outraged than. informed well it takes a long time to. get informed about this [ __ ] people. think that they you know I I I agree to. be fully informed yes you could have. watched these CNN stuff that we did you. had a pretty good idea a decent idea. okay okay and and at least if you read. into the article you'd know where to go. right you could know to go to the US. fish and wildlife page and look at it.

but what happens is is people have. strong emotions about it and then then. they have what you know opinion biased. right I I don't agree with that because. it doesn't back up what I believe right. and you can get confirmation bias online. going to a hundred different websites. that are anti- hunting and anti the. world's foremost experts agreed on it. okay and like and and and again I'm not. trying to get away from what the point. you're trying to make is that people. don't have a real idea of the reality of.

the machine that feeds. us exactly okay they don't have they're. not they don't understand that they. don't have a personal relationship when. they bite into a quarter pounder with. the cow in the way that my grandmother. my great-grandmother who ran a dairy. would they look at a quarter pounder the. way most people look at a potato okay. seem like anything and the people. look I you know just being you around. you seem pretty open-minded about things.

the I don't see as you looking across. here at the person that's going to judge. me for whatever okay the people who are. judging us about this by and large are. doing it while eating a hamburger and. having a Louis Vuitton purse okay. they're they're they need to look within. themselves and say is the enjoyment that. I get from having this Louis Vuitton. purse. or eating this hamburger what is. different about that enjoyment than Joe.

Blow gets from shooting a. duck okay he's he's enjoying hunting. he's enjoying shooting a duck okay. you're. enjoying I'm loving this burger I'm. loving this steak I'm loving these shoes. I got I'm loving my leather seats and my. BMW okay is your. enjoyment more validated than his what's. the difference here it's a good point it. is a it's a it is a good point that you. will get people that are absolutely. outraged about hunting or absolutely. outraged about the death of any animal.

and yet they're driving down the street. and there's just murdered animal skins. everywhere you look on people's shoes on. people's bodies in their cars in their. briefcases their briefcases covered in. animal skins every convenience store you. stop at has meat sticks and those. [ __ ] groundup things that they turn. into burritos and every restaurant. everywhere. there is no bounds to the hypocrisy of. it okay now if you're 100% real legit.

true D vegan okay who makes sure that on. the level of growing in his backyard. he's not affecting any animal's life. other than his house took up a place. that an animal could live okay so if if. you're that guy I kind of all right you. know I get you if you're not that guy. then where are you at with this right. okay and are it why do you if you're not. going to go over to Africa or you're not. going to go to Asia you're not going to. go to the third world and either help.

fund or personally put your butt on the. ground and live to save these things and. protect these things and care about. these things and be intimately involved. with their life then what are you. doing where where are you at with this. personally people need to ask themselves. these questions what what value does a. black rhino have to you it's another. interesting aspect that people get upset. if you do enjoy what you're doing if you.

enjoy hunting if somehow or another you. get some sort of pleasure out of this. hunt then it's bad what they would like. you to do is do it with total. somber thinking and very you know I. would say lots of you know I would say. probably the majority of hunters have. Absolut at least in the very minimal a. certain degree of reverence for the. animal and like someone like Jim who you. know I have never met anybody that had. more reverence for an animal Okay and. like so and I learned a ton from being.

around him and he was he went. to ex extremes and like we would talk. about this we're representing Hunters on. this show okay we're representing. Hunters what we're doing Hunters are. going to watch this okay we would talk. about how what we thought how we. wouldn't step over the. animal okay now you know look you mean. if it's down you step over we would step. over we walk around them we do.

everything we we care for them we try to. kill them as quickly and painlessly as. possible we talk and learn everything we. could about them why would you not step. over them we just we just didn't think. it was right so you have you had a. conversation about those lots yeah Okay. and like you know understand like when. we when we cut the the cameras are off. and now we're dealing with it we're. moving around the animal to cut it apart. to quarter it right to take care of the. meat all right but right now at this. moment especially the the immediate.

moment after animals taking the life of. the animals taken and leading up to it. like I said I said on the show I was. emotional after I shot the Rhino i' I if. you anybody looks at it you can go back. and look at the Nepal episodes we did we. went to Nepal we hunted with these. napales Sherpas okay who lots of them. were Buddhist so you understand Buddhism. a lot of them didn't want to harm. animals right and they hunted and they. understood it okay in a real way how. does that work if they they hunt but.

they're Buddhists they they took people. to kill it they were part of. it those people ate dude those people. ate it the Buddhists ate it yeah look. you're on the side of the mountain. you're surviving mhm there's just no. other options as far look like they eat. rice or whatever I don't know which ones. ate what okay but I yeah I saw people. eating it cuz there's not a lot of. options for nutrition yeah you're up. there and you're living they bring but. anyway so I'm living with these people. and these people like you you like you. have you you've developed relationships.

on a hunt would you say the relationship. you develop hunting or any different. have you noticed anything different. about it they're very intense very very. you get a bond you understand the. certain you understand a certain aspect. of a person um when you you see them. tested and like especially a mountain. hunt when you go hiking on these. mountains and you see people pushed you. see people that are willing to [ __ ] out. you see people that are get get too. tired too quick they get mentally weak. and you you see people who don't and you. see you.

see what you see what their character is. about when they're pushed when you're in. an in D in in a dangerous situation when. you are um you you're forced to be quiet. you're forced to be patient you're. forced to be disciplined you find out. what someone's made of because a lot of. people are [ __ ] up a lot of people are. all added up and they can't pay. attention and they they don't know how. to stay f focused and be a contributing. factor in a successful hunt and that's. one of the reasons why I think men in.

general we have um an aversion to people. who are loud but aren't saying anything. call too much attention to themselves. have a distorted perception of their own. abilities I think a lot of that boils. down to that would make a very. unsuccessful Hunter and I think these. things are ingrained in our DNA I think. there's a part of what makes a man a man. um or makes a. man what makes a man what what people.

value in human beings what people value. in masculine traits is ability to hold. your own mud ability to to stay calm. Under Pressure ability to come through. when the chips are on the line and I. think uh you learned a lot about someone. when you hunt with them you learn a lot. about whether or not someone can keep it. together when they're they have the shot. lined up. whether they can you know draw back on a. 7ot black bear and and make the right. shot yeah and so you you have different.

relationships and different bonds okay. it's part of like you think about people. hunting mastedon hunting whatever okay. throughout history thinking about the. Indians okay think about everything even. you know. Europeans there's things that happen on. a hunt that aren't going to happen in. daily life they're just not and. especially on a a. rural wild situation where you are aware. of what's going on around you and your.

actions have immediate consequences okay. Jim and I had a rule and Jim I don't. know if Jim came up with it or whatever. but we talked about it daily and it was. the five rules of hunting safety safety. safety safety safety that's it what. ain't a successful hunt if somebody. breaks her leg or dies okay we know a. lot of people who are dead okay and we. we would talk about this extensively and.

we'd talk about you know situations that. we'd be in when people we'd see people. go you know that would go bad and. compounded human error you learn a lot. about who you are and I've taken tons of. people Joe that had never hunted before. people who are against it whatever I've. taken them from all walks of life from. the wealthiest people that exist on the. planet to the poorest people that exist. on the planet and once you get out and. go on that hunt and you're next to it it. doesn't matter if you're a mega famous. star it doesn't matter what you are.

you're all on the ground level you're. all on the same level if you all have. packs on you're all equal and it's about. what we're doing and the emotion of that. that that happens in the bonding you. know like for instance Joe if you and I. were on the side of the mountain in. Pakistan or Mongolia or we be with these. people and we're sitting here we have. these bonds with them we're caring about. them you think about lives you think. about how you can help them financially. you think about all these things you. know I mean you're bringing a lot of. money over there you're bringing a lot. of just items like pocket knives and.

packs and stuff that mean a lot to them. you become personally involved with. these people and you and I become more. personally involved learn about our. lives learn about things about our. family we talk about these things we. have the time to do it when we're out. there okay and then you you find if. there's a situation where you know like. uh you know you've been in when people. can die okay I've been in those. situations numerous times and I've seen. people get hurt I've seen all sorts of. things and you it's like a real it's.

you're you're you're tied into who we. are as human beings that in in a sense. to where a lot of times people don't. understand what that is until maybe. they're in a car accident right they had. like a traumatic event or something okay. I say most people probably haven't seen. something die you know and so it's you. know in real life you know outside maybe. they hit a dog or a squirrel or. something you know or especially your. actions cause the death of this animal. you become closer to who you are and. what life really is and life I promise.

you becomes more meaningful I believe. because of this I think you you put a. more value on life when you've been in. these situations I I personally saw the. way that I changed as a human throughout. it it definitely broadens the spectrum. of what you think are experiences it. gives you a completely different kind of. experience and in a lot of ways one of. the oddest things that I I found about. hunting is in a lot of ways it's. psychedelic in that way like there. there's something about locking eyes.

with an animal that's in the wild that. you're hunting it's it's you don't. you're not thinking about anything other. than that moment and there's this weird. bond that you have with this animal and. when you take that animal and eat it. there's a strange high that comes from. it and it's not a high like you don't. know where the [ __ ] you are you're. drugged up there's like an elevated. senses sort of a thing there's a there's. a there's a connection to life itself. that's very unusual and it changes your. perception of life outside of that yeah.

I think for each person it's different. but I can tell like when you're talking. right now and when you're looking at me. as you're talking about it like you're. very in touch with who you are as a. person you're very in touch with how. these things have affected you as Joe. Rogan or whoever you you know the person. you. are I think that's one of the best. things about hunting is that when you're. out there if it's your family if it's. your friends you know hunting is largely.

social thing okay now like in instances. like you know the extreme cases where. people who like you look throughout. history Kermit Roosevelt Teddy Roosevelt. okay exploring type things it's a. different type of person even Jim is a. different type of person even I totally. different type of person okay when. you're you're drawn to these things it. becomes a real fabric of Who You Are. what you're talking about just eating. the animal and everything it's very it's. a fabric Thing of who you are as a. person and you're in touch with what you.

understand that the actions you took. resulted in the death of a very real. thing and the death of that really thing. real thing is sustaining your life at. that point and that's the cycle of life. and you're talking about the emotions. you feel in it you know there's a lot of. hunters that wouldn't even get it the. way that you got it okay because you've. thought about it you know if they just. want it's just so like it's such a it's. such a complex thing and that's why when. people ask me well how do you feel when.

you kill it how are you going to feel. when you kill this black R so important. about the two things that were H that. were most important to people was how I. was going to feel about it and the money. aspects of it okay like it's almost like. a crime to have money anymore I think I. look at people look at money as a. negative thing but everybody wants it I. don't I'm I'm lost with that okay and. and some things I just give up on trying. to understand I guess well that's it's. the vast majority of people feel like. that don't have it that's what it is. it's almost like like looks like someone. who's really beautiful like that there's. something negative about it like a.

beautiful woman has to be stupid yeah if. you think making money is hard try. keeping money in this world yeah it's. brutal especially if you're spending. $350,000 to kill R go yeah exactly it. goes really quick you know your show. that you did with Jim shaki that uh. Uncharted show yeah I didn't see the. professionals but I'm a big fan of that. Uncharted show and um it it was it's. really fascinating show because it it. got to show a side of you um you don't. really see too much of on those type of.

shows and the Pakistan episode in. particular where you didn't want to go. to Pakistan you had been there before. it's dangerous as [ __ ] at that time it. was real dangerous your family didn't. want you going over there nobody wanted. me going over there and I've been over. there twice you know and i' put them. they'd all live that twice you know I've. been over there like pre- drones and. post drones and the mentality of people. were. totally different really absolutely. drones changed everything drones changed. everything [ __ ] well what's the.

difference I. mean we were hunting in very rural areas. okay we're hunting with people who. outside. of the Adent of the tractor and the cell. phone live like Biblical times okay. they're they could not grasp a lot of. the things about our world a lot of them. think that we blew up our own tires okay. I mean it's they're they get little they.

get media in a different way they get. information a different way their. attitude was just very very different. there was a lot of people that were very. I think it struck a lot of fear in. people and and so it's just just a. totally different thing and so to. regards to the show not going over there. on that hunt I'd already been there. twice I felt like and and Brandin you. know Jim's son I don't think Jim wanted. Brandin to go either okay and you know.

we had a very real show meaning like we. did our very very best not to contrive. too much okay there's obviously things. like we're going to just like you and I. sit in here I get here you're like hey I. don't want to talk about that tour on. the show right those type of things okay. we're going to wait till we're filming. right talk about. this so anyway it was just a it was a. hard decision because I love Jim and I. personally didn't have an aversion to. going there okay but at this point I put.

my family through hell so much I. couldn't even tell you I mean I've Been. Everywhere on this planet Earth a lot of. the deepest darkest horrible hell holes. you can ever imagine and um I just felt. like you know it's not yeah I personally. thought I put him through enough okay. and Brandin talking to him somebody I. love is probably my closest friend in a. lot of ways and uh I love that guy to. death he you know him and I had talks. about it too okay and he it was really.

you know we did all these shows together. and it was a really big difference. because Brandon didn't have a girlfriend. or anything most of the show then he. gets a girlfriend he's getting married. to now dude his attitude changed sure. okay like he didn't he couldn't get a. lot of ways until you have somebody. you're in love with truly in love with. or you know like have kids like I don't. like a human being you are before you. have kids and after you have kids is a. two different thing if you're a true. father or a true parent you know you're. it fundamentally changed you okay so my. decisions were getting changed by this.

and that's why a big reason why I didn't. continue to to do the show you know it's. like I'd done everything I wanted to do. with it I felt like I ran through the. Finish Line you know and I'm I going you. run the marathon you finish you're just. going to keep running when you guys were. up in um way up North when you were on. that polar bear hunt with the Inuits the. local people. people you were uh I mean that that that. was a a really crazy scenario I mean you. guys were essentially watching them hunt.

right you were with them we we hunted. too you hunted too they kind of didn't. show that that much on the show because. because a couple the real reason of that. was the idea of Uncharted wasn't to do a. hunting show in traditional methods that. we just went out and hunted stuff the. idea of hunt charted was to show the way. these Wild Places work and the people. who live in them and live off these. animals and their value they put on the. animal okay and our value for the whole.

situation and so at that point you know. that show was more about a culture in a. lot of ways that is going away and and. hopefully it stays so what was the. choice what was behind the choice to not. show you guys hunting for the polar bear. CU that was a big question that I had. had you didn't show Jim explained it. really good in a Facebook post about it. and you know I think it just it was more.

about that than anything we had we had. old ladies yes extremely intense they're. amazing people and that's where Jim's. hunted there a lot and those people he's. like the Michael Jordan to a lot of. those people hunting is a part of their. culture like we' be in the airports up. there and those people love Jim okay. they love Jim they know who he is. absolutely Absol so in these hunting.

rich. areas I mean yeah yeah absolutely up. there it's the most intense okay they. love him well it's such a primitive I. want to say I don't want to say A. Primitive culture I mean it's obviously. primitive but it's it's long it's to the. Bone yeah it's it's been around a long. time and they've been doing it this way. for a long long long time and there's. not much room there's not much wiggle. room up there you're not growing any. crops you know you're you're living in.

intensely cold environments and there's. not a lot of things to hunt and that. polar bear hunt is very important to. them extremely and wailing whing most. important narwhal Boe head seals all. that everybody wore seals they wore. sealed clothes wow so look these things. need to be protected. those people really get it up there okay. they really get it for their life if. they want to continue to live there it.

that's it unless they're going to ship. in canned goods they do all that but. dude it's a value to them okay it's a. value just like when we brought that. rhino meat to that Village you don't. think they valued that what does polar. bear taste like I haven't eaten polar. bear you didn't eat any of it I didn't. dude it was immediately frozen into a. complete Rock right then just come like. it was so cold it was so cold and Jim's. eting polar bear I think you know you. could ask him I didn't I didn't get to. eat polar bear because we weren't those. guys literally the second I shot the.

polar bear the guy who was running me. running the hunt was like this Hunt's. over we're going home okay and we let. the polar bear sit there while we were. doing the things we were doing for the. show and dude it frozen to a complete. Rock and we like I mean less than an. hour it's like brutal and we all know. was br skin at at the whole situation. how' they cut it up like a chainsaw or. something no I mean yeah you could still.

get in there and hack and get it just. wasn't like when you've dealt with a. bear wow you know and I've hunted bears. bears are you know how bears are okay. it's just a different situation another. emotional aspect that people have with. it they don't get it's the Klondike Bar. Bear yeah the Coca-Cola bear like like I. killed this gigantic brown bear. and you know people in Alaska get it by. and large okay they live with them they.

understand those bears kill all the. other Bears right it's just it's just. but some people just don't get it did. you see that um television show hunt no. man I don't watch much TV anymore that. was the television show that was um it. was hosted by the guy from the Metallica. with ji he killed a big bear well he. didn't even kill the bear that's what's. really crazy they they had a photo of. him and they used this photo of him. standing behind bear it wasn't him it.

was a giant bear like pull pull it up. Jamie it they thought that it was James. Hatfield it's not it's another hunter. that looks like it and that Hunter he. said like hey that's my [ __ ] bear. like I shot that bear like Hatfield is a. hunter he does hunt I think he's hunted. bear before probably has but the photo. that they used to try to keep them out. of the gloss bery uh was that what. glassbury Music Festival glastenbury. Music Festival see there's the photo. yeah it's not him well it doesn't look. like him there no you know now that you.

look at it that big no I mean there's a. guy who said that it you know he's like. look that's me that's my [ __ ] bear. I'll tell you when I hunted it God damn. that's a big bear yeah do you do you. enjoy hunting bear I enjoy it I I I like. to eat them they taste good but the bear. hunt itself what do you think it's. interesting it's but the being in the. woods with them is amazing have you. hunted brown bear no would you hunt. brown bear I don't think so because I'm. I'm not going to eat them yeah that so.

far where my head is I I understand the. conservation aspect of it 100% yeah I. mean if I lived there if I lived on. Kodiak Island and I ran cattle or. something like that I would absolutely. hunt them if I for whatever reason you. know needed to be a part of it I would. absolutely hunt them but and they. absolutely should be hun would you hunt. them to raise awareness about bears. no no I would talk about it it's not my. job if I was a professional Hunter maybe. maybe if I was on television well see.

that's the the the interesting thing. about it is the reasons we hunt M can be. a lot of different things no I I get. that I get that um I mean the reason why. I'm asking a lot of these questions a. lot of it is just because I want to. cover all the bases and take it from a. bunch of different angles uh play. Devil's Advocate as much as much as. possible but Bears is a very different. thing than hunting white tailed deer. when you're hunting white tailed deer. you're hunting essentially Nature's. victim I mean these these poor bastards.

they run around eating berries and. looking left and right and jumping away. and and trying to they're they're. they're the bottom it's become a science. in a way hunting them yeah to a lot of. people yeah well I mean hunting deer is. that you're hunting prey there's a prey. when you're hunting a bear you're hun a. predator situ totally different first of. all What's creepy about the Bears is. they don't make any noise this is big. [ __ ] animal that was the thing about. the Rhino it was like a cotton ball made. no noise freaky 3,000lb C dude I'm.

telling you bro it was just like a bear. it reminded me of a black bear they just. know how to sneak around dude it was ins. sandy soil it made no noise wow one time. we sat down we we' walked like I don't. know I mean we walked over 20 miles. after the Rhino and uh this day we had. walked about 10 at this point and like. the CNN guy was was a big dude bro okay. he was a 280 300 lb man you know and he. hung in there the first day he threw up.

and after seven miles he started barfing. everywhere he but he really wanted to be. involved with it and he got it and. uh we sat down we we were sitting down. next to that Rhino 40 yards away that. Rhino got up ran off and we never heard. it wow ran off you could see where it. just ran are they just really good at. like Distributing their weight it's. their place man I don't know how they do. it like I've elephants you would have. heard that thing like you would have. seen it for one but you would have heard.

it you hear them R you didn't hear. anything I you never hear bear unless. they want you to hear them it's the. weirdest thing but the reason I asked. you about the brown bear was um because. I believe in in the United States a. brown bear is like similar to the. situation with the lion or some of these. different animals you know whatever. you're talking about you know certain. animals that you know strike things you. North America is probably the closest. thing we got you know to that would be. the brown bear yeah you know and and.

they're hunted a lot people get it by. and large and I and to I guess to a. lesser extent by and large people don't. have as big a problem with it I think as. they would African animals I I don't. know. why yeah I I mean there's a lot of. people that have really hard time of of. course but there's a lot of people that. don't I mean you look at you know even. people who hunt there's a lot of people. North America the Hun North America I. never go to Africa I never you see what. I'm saying so even amongst Hunters it's. you. know yeah I think uh it changes the.

distinction whether or not you're. hunting something you're going to eat or. not and you can eat brown bear but not. that many people do no it's a management. Choice what does it taste like have you. ever eaten it oh dude I've I've only. shot one and I hadn't eat it it was. eating a rotten sea lion it's eating. stuff that's going to make it pretty. rough it had the it had ate the head off. of a giant rotting sea lion you want to. see the picture sure so that it would. smell and taste probably a lot like it.

it dude it was it was an. extremely um extremely smelly. odor. like rough nasty situation it was really. gross smelling yeah for many people who. don't know one of the most delicious. Meats apparently is black bear that's. been eating. blueberries. whoa black bear oh God just ate the. whole head off that thing huh yeah and.

that bear had claim that thing that's an. enormous it it was laying right on top. of it where was this that was on unimac. island in Alaska way out in Alaskan. Peninsula and that bear had just was. just laying on it and I the I flew in. out there and the there was a guide who. set up the camp you know and we flew in. and he hadn't been there that long and I. was just like what do you what do you. think about that bear have you seen he's. like no he said I think it's big I was. like well why do you think it's big he. said cuz I've seen six other bears come. up to that cliff and look down and turn. around and leave he like it was.

his wow this show um was interesting. that showed the hunt because it was one. of the few shows that I've ever seen on. television that you know you give a lot. of these subsistence living shows you. know like Alaska the Last Frontier or. Life Below Zero but this wasn't about. subsistence at all it was about hunting. to control the populations and trophy. hunting I mean that's what these people. were doing I mean they did cook up some. backstraps on one episode some people. sliced up some I I I don't get like the.

whole thing about like you said they go. over there dude in these camps just. trophy hunting the animals aren't. getting wasted right okay you're getting. into what's drawing a person out there. to benefit it regardless of why he's. there in his mind whatever it is okay if. the result is good and the result is. benefiting it who you're judging his. desires to do something on what going on. in your head you're not you're not. looking at the result well you say that. the meat doesn't get wasted if you leave. it around gets on a brown bear that's. right on a brown bear okay the other.

animals eat it whatever Bears the. biggest predator of other bears the. bears they eat them yeah okay they're. all cannibals okay so you're but I'm. saying like by and large throughout. hunting there's only a few animals that. don't get eaten okay you know like I. said lion. hyena I've shot some hyena wouldn't eat. hyena baboon my brother ate the lungs of. a baboon. whoa on a bet no CU he was hungry really. well and that's what the locals were. eating and he thought well if I'm gonna. eat a part of it I'm GNA eat their.

favorite part and it was the lungs the. locals like the lungs huh MH they boiled. them. up what' he say it is like he didn't he. didn't act like it was too good I mean I. didn't get into it we were in Central. African Republic in the middle of you. know the people before us the they they. just got the camp back from the chadi. and Rebels and shot it up you know we. weren't really talking about stuff like. that God baboon lung what is the. nastiest thing you have eaten when. you've been hungry on these camps oh man.

have you ever eaten an animal that you. regretted no but I mean I've eaten. things that weren't like like like you. said about the elephant dude by the time. we shot the elephant we were hungry I. mean we just threw it on coals and we're. just eating it right there it wasn't. nasty or anything it was food but you. know I haven't really gotten into. something like you know Jim eats that. igu knok okay which is like an IG it's. like fermented wall meat oh it's like. the Icelandic people do sharks they have. that fermented shk yeah ferment they. just leave it out there in the vault.

yeah I haven't tried that you. know but I would try it I mean I've. watched Jim e a lot of crazy crap but. he's living a very odd life Jim shocky. no doubt I mean uh and I say that with. all due respect it's not I'm not saying. it in a negative way he's if if you. don't know his show just I mean even if. you're not into hunting at all like like. you said that show's not not really. necessarily about hunting that much I. mean it is but it isn't it's a lot of it. is a it's an indepth discovery of the. cultures that he's visiting and And the.

emotions that we like we would go. through on the hunt I mean I've cried on. the show twice man I cried when I shot a. previously on the professionals when I. shot a blue sheep and just because it. was just you know we had real ordeal and. it was just like a relief and emotional. thing and then I cried talking about my. granddad one time and that was the. Pakistan episode yeah and so it just. like we were very real about it we wore. everything on the Our. Sleeve and what is he trying to do going. to all these different he's just soaking. up a lot of different experiences is.

that his uh his perspective on this I. mean you'd have to talk to him about it. and I don't even know if he. would you know I love the guy I've been. with him a lot and you know a lot of our. life was connected for over a decade. still is in way. um and he's. just he has a different attitude about. it almost it like I would say some of. the Explorers might have had in his mind.

I'm not saying that he has any delusions. of grandeur that that's what he's doing. but he has a different attitude about it. and I think you know we both wanted to. see what's left like I mean when you're. going to Papa New Guinea you're going to. the edge when you're going to the rule I. mean we're dealing with people who are. you know cannibals and believed in. Witchcraft and all sorts of stuff you. know and what's it like hanging out with. can. mean look I shouldn't put I didn't deal. with the cannibal but I deal with people. who knew cannibals and understood. cannibalism right right and we're we're.

afraid of it so they knew people like. they knew knew it to they knew it to be. knew it to be a real thing okay and like. for instance one time I was hunting in. in. Uganda and uh we talk about people's. different attitudes and stuff Jim and I. went to Uganda on one of the first hunts. when it reopened we're hunt an animal. called cesy Island catanga what's it. called sesy Island. sitatunga what is that it's an antalope. that lives in a swamp on an island Okay.

and like I mean we value it you know we. love it but. anyway so we're over there and they were. talking about this big problem they had. with over in a certain area of Uganda on. Lake Albert. where the they were buying bush meat. from the congales just basically almost. like from a grocery store it would come. across on a boat it would all be cut up. and everything and the way they got the. people to quit it was they said the con.

congales are selling you human meat. too and they believed. it well Vice did this piece on Liberia. and uh that was a real issue in Liberia. they were selling human meat and these. food carts on the corner and this guy. recognized it is human meat because he'd. eaten human meat yeah. there you go what what the [ __ ] that's. that's the difference. between you know it's a discon Oaks it's.

a it's the disconnect of what is really. happening when you think about think. about this think about like this war we. have you know going on versus Isis right. and we're sitting over here and you know. I've been close back you know to alqaeda. and stuff like that when I would go to. that part of the world okay I've been. you know on the border of Afghanistan. and probably in it and didn't know it. okay for sure and and it's just it's a. huge disconnect if you were over there. and you see them selling 12-year-old.

girls naked in a bizaar and having an. auction in Syria where they're just. selling them as property for sexual. abuse whatever sex slave and it's just. they're they've kidnapped them that's. what they're doing you're going to have. if you saw that going down who isn't. going to be like immediately want this. stopped okay it's no you're going to. it's gone you're going to do it I mean. it's just the different mindset I mean. that we have I'm not saying that people. want that to continue in any way shape. or form but if you saw it you'd feel.

differently about it no doubt well. there's definitely different ways of. living in this this age in 2015 and. there's some ways that people are living. every day just to get by that would. horrify most people and and what they. consider normal what they consider. normal yeah what is normal our normal. versus their normal yeah normal up the. fly River in Papa New Guinea is far. different than here normal in a pygmy.

Village in Cameroon is far different. you're talking about you know like you. talk about recreational drug use okay in. Papa New Guinea they do this thing. called buo or boo way and it's like I. don't know exactly what it is but they. take lime and they take something else. they put it in their mouth and it has a. reaction it's like a low-grade meth. people from this big all the way up to. grown people h their entire life they're. living in an altered state forever and. their mouths are red okay with this.

stuff it makes this nasty red blood so. you're out there with a high person that. looks like a. zombie okay all right and this I people. sometimes they're high high person that. looks like a zombie oh God see if you. can pull up. boay okay just bu u w y whatever pull it. up and see if you Popa New Guinea okay. all right. in. Cameroon and a um village one time I.

would say every single person that I met. that was like you know local people on. the hunt I think they were high on weed. from the morning that they wak up to the. they from from when they woke up to when. they went to sleep it's just just part. of their existence in camon yeah it's. just part of their existence was their. daily life was so hard they're looking. looking for any kind of escapee out of. it okay it's just brutal I mean and if. you and I had to live in it if you had. you'd understand look I don't judge them.

I don't have to live there right and you. know you and I get to go home and sleep. in comfortable beds we get to take a. shower every night I mean just go just. go the challenge the average person to. go two weeks without a shower just go. two weeks without a shower have one pair. of underwear see what your existence is. like and then do it in the jungle then. do it in the jungle man of Cameroon do. it or wherever or on the mountains in. Afghanistan or mountains of Pakistan. mountains of Mongolia the scariest place.

that you ever went to when you were. doing all these nutty adves I've had. some scary scary ass incidences of. falling you know I thought I was going. to die from falling twice and I had a. guy saved my life in Armenia went on two. unsuccessful sheep hunts. there and uh I fell it was horrible I. thought I was done how far did you fall. well I was sliding. on a sheet of ice and I had my stick and. it and I've kept my stick buried in and. it saved me and this dude risked his.

life and came and saved my life Wow and. so I was looking down at 2,000 ft and. then going off sliding straight down. 2,000 ft then going off a cliff of a few. hundred feet then going down the bottom. and then you know I've obvious I've had. animals you know the closest animal that. ever nearly got me was a black bear. where was this that was in. Alaska what happened. silly stuff you know just real thick and. um I was hunting with the uh athabaskan.

person you know half and half or person. it was half Indian half white person and. um awesome guy and we were walking we. were actually moose hunting and I had a. bear tag and uh I looked straight down. and I saw this bear print on the ground. and looked at it and I said man that's. like the freshest track I've ever seen. in my life I was like it must have like. just been here I'm talking to this dude.

just like closer you know how you walk. when you're hunting right MH and I. hear I look up and it's climbing the. tree right. here okay we jumped it so I I threw up. and I shot it anyway we tracked it and. um it was really really thick like those. have you hunted in Alaska or even like. um okay or South British Columbia or. anywhere on the coast colia yeah like. those Alders you know it's just nasty. thick brush right and uh anyway I. couldn't see anything you know how quiet. a Blackberry is right so the guide sees.

it and he sees it and I can't see it. he's like right in front of me I'm like. shoot it you know if you can see it I. can't see boom dude it flipped out it. just just just destroying everything. around big S foot Blackberry you know. just destroying everything around it and. it rolled where and I shot in there boom. boom boom when I shot in there and um. you know I thought I'd got it you know I. felt pretty good about that and this. this whole thing happened just like in a. few minutes okay just wasn't very long.

right and and then I walk over there to. see where the Bears at I'm walking. around like like you know walking and. I'm looking looking look looking and. then I look and the bear is just like. right here looking the opposite. direction okay so alive very and just. turned and just just went as I fell down. so he fell back and shot it yeah fell. back and shot. it yeah and that was just and but you. know different situations like as far as.

the country goes you know I've had I had. been a lot of different scary places. with regards to you know people more. than anything you know I've hunted. Ethiopia a couple times some of the. people were weird oh my God that's a. guy's got that stuff in his mouth there. you go that's what they looked like over. there what's that stuff called again boo. is what they called it boo way or. something I Googled it's called Batel. nut yeah it's some kind of nut yeah yeah. and it's got some sort of. uh what's what's the effect of.

it but tell me well it's obviously a bad. teeth on effect on your teeth yeah it. seems like it Jesus. Christ huh Beetle. nut yeah and it has some sort of a. narcotic effect or a m stim yeah. stimulant effect is it like that cat. stuff that they chw. that's a different deal I mean dude I'm. not you know I don't know a lot about. drugs so Jesus. Christ it's a hard life it's a very hard.

life and you think that all these. experiences going to all these different. places have made you appreciate your own. existence here in Civilization more 100%. it makes you really like just like the. way people are abused in other places. and the way they don't have right the. value of Life they're if you're abused. you know and you're just taken advantage. of by whatever the government the local. every sit just the situation you're. plight in the world I don't think that.

you know people say well there's no. value of life in. a I understand you know they I watched. one time a guy didn't want to. spend 40 bucks to keep his kid alive and. let him die he said he already spent a. 100 and that was. enough okay you're getting into real. situations Joe like that you see. different ways people look at it and. Jesus. Christ and so now look is this every. person there no but that's situations.

that happen those are choices they had. to. make wow and so yeah like absolutely it. makes me appreciate America makes me. appreciate our Bill of Rights makes me. appreciate our political system makes me. appreciate you know we we [ __ ] about. things here. that the other world would die to have. as a. complaint you know we're upset that. traffic's bad we're upset that you know. my wife is mad at me and I come home at. 5:30 and I said I'll be. on.

right no cannibals I mean you know. people are upset about you know this. transgender situation I mean. dude who cares you get to go home and. hug your kid and you got a whole the. world's biggest army Dying For Your. Right dying for you you have a giant. system that's protecting your. life you have people dying for you every.

day that's one way to look at it another. way to look at it people would say is. that giant system is set up by the. military industrial complex to steal. resources in other countries who okay. that's why everybody's coming over here. right that's why they're all this it's. the best for sure this the best we're. not flooding in the Cameron today you. and I are on a boat to get to that. better. well we know that it can be better I. mean that's I think what the argument is. the argument isn't we should stop. complaining no no no no I'm not saying. that we should better better But I'm.

just saying when you see it right it's. far better than New Guinea it's far. better than Somalia it's far better than. a lot of the places you've travel to yes. absolutely when you when you do travel. to these places and you you do go over. there and you experience their life does. it give you this feeling of uh like. almost like helplessness like you can't. you can't do enough to help these people. the system that they're involved in the. life that they live their the community. and that they're sort of entangled in I.

can tell you hunts I've gone on with my. dad and he brought 20 full giant. Cabella's bags just worth of gifts for. him you know just giving stuff at the. very end we my dad's name Larry we. called it Larry Mart we just let them. all come in and just pick everything. they wanted you know and giving them. things to hunt with no just soccer balls. frisbees clothes. toothbrushes. anything you know and these are people. that like need. it and this is not something that.

anybody would expect from you they see. this thing about you killing the Rhino. dude I'm like so judged I don't whatever. I don't care what people expect I know. what my life's like and I know what I do. Well you certainly must have some. feeling about it otherwise you wouldn't. respond to them right like the ones that. look I yeah I mean I have a feeling. about I try to I'm just trying to like. bring some awareness that hey maybe. there's more to this than what you see. you can hate me that's fine whatever I. don't well CNN you know like like you. said they came under Fire because that's.

kind of exactly what they said they they. when they follow you mean they went over. there and reported they did they went. over there and reported they they did. actual real journalism which is getting. rarer and rarer we talked dude we talked. about that you know the reason I felt. comfortable with those guys everybody in. the world wanted to come okay look it's. there you know you know they all wanted. to come the reason I felt comfortable. with Jason Morris and Ed lavendera is I. sat down with them and I. said you're going to have to come to.

this with an open mind you're just going. to have to come and throw away whatever. you got and when you come on a hunting. trip you're complicit in it I told him I. said you're going to be there you're. look Ed if the Rhino gets somebody and. knocks both the dudes down with guns you. may have to grab it to save somebody's. life and kill the thing you got to. understand that this isn't like did you. show him how to use a gun. absolutely I took him on a hunt. beforehand I did all this stuff he. understood he went on a different hunt. beforehand yeah we went look I was. taking people that never been hunting.

before I'm not going to put them in. there dude it's it' be freaking a joke. for me to take them out on their first. real hunting experience in animal that's. going to kill them take them hunting. just ples game animals just for a day. you know and um they you know I I was. trying to figure out who could actually. like make it and not get killed you know. make it cause somebody's death because. you know when you're looking around them. you get goofy yeah yeah they they a. couple of them got goofy you know Ed end. up being the only person there and then.

the the Rhino charged him out of like. all like the wildest crap turn of events. here's the CNN guy running at me and. coming underneath the gun what did what. did he describe the experience like. personally what did he take away from it. boy it was a it was a eye openening. experience to all those guys like I. honestly felt. like one of them really was he wasn't on. I mean he was kind of real ambivalent.

but he wasn't like some guy who thought. it was the best thing in the world for. sure Ed was really pretty open-minded. about it he just wanted to go over there. and Report what was going down true. journalist stuff okay they were really. pretty hardcore journalistic about it. but I I think there when we delivered. the meat I think he kind of got teary. eyed I mean he kind of got at that point. he kind of got got it and in the fact. that man this is real you know he got he. got a big experience out of it because. the Rhino went for him you know he was.

like he got the fear of an animal trying. to kill him you know so he he had a. pretty unique experience about it I. think he talked about it on there I. don't I can't remember but he didn't. talk about he didn't talk about you know. he didn't talk about the Rhino charging. him but he for somebody who wasn't. involved in hunting made one of the. smartest moves I've ever seen anybody do. where he ran where he ran if he ran a. different wait he probably would be dead. right now what did he do well the Rhino. we remember I told you that we jumped it. right when we sat down right and it left.

well then we we kept following it and. this is this is like the 10 Mile point. we followed it we jumped it we it R we. didn't know we jumped it we went over. there we saw that we did and we had so. many people there we had to keep. splitting the group up and then they. would come back up and like right and so. I told Ed I said look man if this thing. goes wrong it's going to be when we lose. the track. okay and so when we're walking along we. lose the. track and hinty pH goes with a couple of.

The Trackers one way I go with a couple. of The Trackers the other way and then I. hear and I and it's behind me and the. two guys in front of me just immediately. move from about here to there so I see. them moving and I heard it behind me so. to make distance I just took these to. get to right there and then turn cuz I. knew I thought well if I just turn. around right here it's going to hit me. right cuz it was so close and how close.

man like 30 40 feet. oh okay it it bed down we jumped it. again okay and so and it ran I turned. around I S for that dude that thing. moved like lightning dude it was like I. don't know if you watching any bull. riding dude it's like a real athletic. Bull with a saber on it you know okay. and so anyway it goes. and we were really lucky and hinty came. back and looked at Ed and said look and. and he said if this thing this next time. it's.

coming okay we pushed it twice it's hot. it's going to. come and so anyway we kept going and. uh I said hey hinty I think you should. go back there and let's just split it up. again you know put them 100 yards behind. us okay and we'll keep one cameraman. with me and you and The Trackers and. then can stay a little bit further. behind and another guy who was there. with. us he goes back there talks to him comes. back up to me and this is after we. walked another 20 minutes or.

so and um I said what's up he said yeah. we're good we start walking and then I. hear just like some noise you know and. it was the other dude trying to get my. attention from like 30 yards back okay. and his voice was dry because we hadn't. drunk water in a couple hours okay we're. out and then I hear hinty say Ed get. down Ed get down you know just like run. get down run run run and I'm like you. know I just plant my right foot as hard.

as I could I was like I'm not moving you. know I had time to think about that and. like and this whole thing lasted like 3. seconds so I had time to think about it. and then I look and I see Ed just flying. at me like running like dude the Cowboys. would have picked him up that day that. dude that big dude he was flying bro. like fear is a huge motivator and he's. flying at me. he comes like coming from an angle like. right here where this moose skull is and. just ducks and just flies underneath the. rifle and I know it's coming right I.

know you know so he knew that you were. going to pull your rifle up so went. under the rle he went yeah he was well. hinty was yelling at him get down get. down get down you know cuz we're really. worried about shooting each other right. right right right we're all stringed out. really what happened was I think Ed. missed the memo to set back okay and he. started walking forward so when he. started walking forward the Rhino had. actually circled around on its own track. and in a way was sitting there waiting. for us okay so hinty and I walk past it. well Ed starts walking out well the. Rhino gets up walks around this tree and.

starts taking steps for him okay like. looking like this kind of inquisitive. and then just came dude like just was. like like a bat out of hell so you shot. that thing when it was on a charge it. was charging Ed he runs under he dude he. like moves so quick and I like we talked. about it cuz I was like I was like talk. to the producer I was like dude D's. really big bro you know I was like he's. like don't worry he's light on his feet. you should have seen him in Ferguson. like Ferguson Jesus Christ this guy's.

going to the craziest [ __ ] spots on. Earth yeah so anyway somebody at CNN's. mad at Ed yeah so anyways like he comes. flying underneath me the animals. charging him and when it you know they. don't have good eyesight okay so when he. came low I think that it was so thick. that the Rhino lost him like or you know. lost where he went and it kind of just. veered a little bit to the left and when. he comes underneath me I just see it. coming and turning like just turning. veering and it's like less than 18 yards.

it's right there 45 ft and I boom boom. whoa yeah when you got up to the Rhino's. body mhm what is what is that feeling. like it was like a in this case it was. different than any hun I'd ever been on. you know because so much went into it. the magnitude of the expence like the. magnitude of the experience the. magnitude of the whole situation. magnitude being that like this is like. the most you. know hunt under a microscope that maybe.

ever existed without a doubt okay and so. I was just like this stress that was. going into it because we could have shot. the wrong one right right okay what. happens if the wrong one charges right. you got to kill it and then we killed. the wrong one that's the worst thing. that could happen outside of somebody. dying what what does happen when that. happens if you killed one of bring it. home you leave it it's just the H there. yeah you're done so the $350,000 is gone. and this problem mail still out there AB.

the absolute worst situation wow and so. anyway so to walk up at it have the guy. you know look at it he we saw it from a. game camera that was on a water hole we. saw a picture of it and the guy said. that's it this is the one that killed. the one last year this is it okay and so. he knew it by there was ear Notch from. where it had you know when they. originally dropped that animal off there. they so they could recognize it and so. and there's other animals you know other.

rhinos there there just rhinos there I. mean it's a wild area you know and so. the reason they're there is that water. is there okay so anyway we yeah just. walking up to it just like it wasn't. like a it's over cuz it really kind of. wasn't I knew that all this storm was. going to happen you just didn't know to. the extent well this time I knew you. know this time I knew it was coming it. really was the most scrutinized hunt the. human race has ever known ABS I can't. think of a close second what's a close.

second I I really don't have one in mind. I never I've never seen anything that. got this kind of scrutiny I did I and. look I've been involved in hunting my. whole life and I never seen anything. like it and so like it was just like I. felt an extreme amount of pressure on me. to make sure everything was done. correctly and that's why I felt. comfortable bringing them I felt like. they were just going to do an honest. portrayal of what was up have you stayed. in contact with Ed since that yeah I've. talked to him you know he was down at. the floods in Houston the other day I. just said hey you know what's up and you.

know letting him know kind of what else. had happened you know since then with. where the Rhino was at and stuff like. that cuz he generally had an interest in. it like he he gave a damn you know what. is his take on the. backlash he got to experienced some. backlash himself during a deal with in. Ferguson where the Drudge Report. reported that he showed where this guy's. place was at so he dealt with a bun. which I don't know if that was true or. not I really didn't get into it I don't. think it was but um I don't know and.

anyway he had dealt with a lot of. scrutiny before so he kind of understood. it but he kind of felt a lot like you. did like anybody would they're. threatening your kids come on you know. what I mean this is bull crap you know. and I think almost every person you. would even Piers Morgan you know who. peers when did you see interview with. him no okay the first time I did an. interview with Piers when we caught this. big shark over here in Huntington Beach. right okay he was all over that that. dude loved that he thought that was.

awesome Long Live your fishing this is. the coolest thing ever okay like we were. kind of surprised right when we did that. so then the rhino thing comes up and one. of the producers for that show you know. calls me and I said sure I'll talk to. him and so we oh no no no no I Ed called. me. and he said you want to talk about it. you you're welcome to talk said sure. I'll talk to peers is how that happened. and I remember and so I they got me on.

there dude and he came like guns of. Blazing and at the end of it he's like. you may have a point with the. conservation aspects of this but what I. don't get is your hunting. photos Okay so the rage about me. standing there next to an animal. bothered him like it bothers thousands. of people okay and and so yeah but he he. said it in a nutshell mhm he. said you're right but don't take. pictures yeah you're you're you.

know you you may have a point but this. is what pisses me off well that's stupid. that's is just a photograph why should. you not capture that moment if you're. going to do it if there's no problem. with doing it the actual act isn't a. problem but the the photograph of the. ACT is a problem yeah that it didn't enr. so many people insane that's insane well. he's no longer on their Network well. he's a douchebag well I don't say that. about a lot of people but that guy was. involved in some really shady [ __ ] in. England with the tabloids where the. tabloids had uh hacked into uh victim's.

cell phones do you know that whole story. behind it m a family of a woman who. turned up missing they uh they they got. hope because they found that she had. checked her voicemail on her cell phone. Well turns out she didn't the company. that he worked for had hacked into her. phone and were checking her voice oh. nice that's tabloid [ __ ] man you know. that's a lot of what he did was tabloid. sensationalism [ __ ] where even if he had.

an opinion on something you know there's. a lot of what they do that like we were. talking about before they're they're. trying to get Social brownie points. they're trying to yeah we're going to. attack guns look dude okay if somebody. comes in here and you don't have a gun. and I do you w me to just let them kill. you well not only that the way hpoc he. didn't I mean look Ted Nan is a funny to. have on when you're discussing that but. at the end of the day he's very [ __ ]. informed when it comes to that stuff. very informed and Pierce wasn't prepared. for that and he looked stupid he really.

did he didn't understand like a lot of. those shooting deaths or cops shooting. people in the act of crimes like murder. and domestic violence and robbery and. every time I talk to like a big I talked. to our him talk to Aon Bernett on there. talk to they they may have come at me a. little bit they didn't have the facts. right and the problem is if you don't. have the facts on your side and. especially in this situation if you. don't have the facts on your side and. you're left with I'm going to cuss this. guy out and threaten his kids you've. already lost Bro you've lost and and. that and so they're just left without. raging okay but that ain't helping.

anything I hope agree with you or. disagree with you if people are. listening to this that they they get at. the end of the day that this is a very. complex situation that is not it's not. black and white there's no good guys and. bad guys and when you're when you're. looking at something like hunting you're. looking at something that has existed. literally since the beginning of human. beings it's it's been a part of what. what created civilization in the first.

place what what led to us surviving and. that's been somehow or another co-opted. by factory farming and fast food and. restaurant chains and that has become. our reality and we our our existence is. entirely unnatural and disconnected. because of it our relationship with the. very food we eat is. delusional and what you're doing by by. being a part of conservation whether or.

not you know it makes sense to people or. whether or not they agree with it or. disagree with it once they look at the. actual facts behind it they'll see that. this is not you're not doing an evil. thing you're not not only are you not. doing an evil thing you're you're not. doing a thing that even can be logically. criticized from the stand point of. conservation you might feel. uncomfortable that someone's going to go. over there and shoot a rhino you might. feel uncomfortable about it but that's. your right when you when you start.

looking at the facts behind it though. it's very difficult to argue. against the the idea of hunting as. conservation whether you want to do it. or not like I said I don't want to do it. I don't I don't want to go to I don't. want to hunt a rhino I don't want to. hunt a brown bear I don't want to but I. understand it I understand it completely. and totally from the point of view of. conservation. well I'm glad that you do I think it's. cool that you do and I think that it's. cool that you're open minded enough to. get something that hey maybe you don't. want to do because I think I think.

that's kind of the issue is like look I. don't want to do a lot of things but I. don't judge people who who do and I. definitely don't judge people who. actually have a stake in the game when. it comes to keeping something around or. keeping something good around you know. the uncomfortable reality of attaching. monetary value to life whether it's the. planes games animals that were on the. verge of Extinction just a few decades. ago in Africa that are thriving now. because they're valuable or whether it's. because of white Dale deer which there's. more white tailed deer in America now.

than there were when Columbus I mean we. could talk for another three hours about. like conservation success stories how. about elk more elk than have ever. existed like Florida panther even there. okay Hunters brought that back Hunters. brought the wolf back Trappers brought. the wolf back to North America. okay and especially in like the. Southwest right guy named Roy McBride. Google it but so you can it's the people. who live. it have a vested stake in keeping it.

around and if Hunter if you have a. problem with um. Hunters keeping these animals around. then don't go take pictures of a ro ro. White Rhino don't cuz the the reason. that why Rhino's there is cuz of hunters. bro period the reason these white tail. deer and big numbers cuz of. hunters okay so if you're taking a. picture of it you may not get it you. know and it's insulting to those who. have done all the work to keep it around.

so you can have a opinion about it. that's Justified or not right it's not. it's not it's just your opinion of it. okay and it's there for you to talk. about it's there for you enjoy at a. price you didn't have to pay it's a. convenient opinion it's a very. convenient opinion. and so I mean it's I I I honestly think. that I don't. know the average person especially when.

it comes to a lot of these wild animals. really needs to look within their and. think is there emotion going to help it. and do I really need to do I hate this. guy enough that he gets cancer and dies. just because he does something I don't. agree upon and then go over to Namibia. and take a go take a picture of Black. Rhinos that this situation helped stay. alive period okay I get so sick of the. people saying well just because you give. money to Africa it's going to corrupt. not every situation give me a break give.

me a break you know my dream is for. these children that live there to have a. Heritage that we have with deer that we. have with bear they can go out to a wild. Place lay down at night hear a lion roar. 100 years from now I give a damn about. that. sincerely I believe you thank for coming. on man I really appreciate it it was a. nice long conversation I think we uh we. chewed it up we chewed it up good all. right I appreciate you bro all right. thank you brother Cory Nolton ladies and.

gentlemen we'll see you guys on. Wednesday Greg Fitz Simmons will be here. until then enjoy your life big. [Music]. [Music]. kiss. will be.