Joe Rogan Experience #540 - Steven Rinella

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couldn't too but he's very excited to. come with us to Alaska and that should. be a nice silly trip man I'm I'm looking. I'm excited about that trip it really is. when you get up into that when I say. that when you get up into that Alpine. Zone like above Timber line in Southeast. Alaska it really like you know it's. cooler looking than like the Ewok forest. you know I mean it just is amazing. because you have this like you go from. old growth stuff where you could like. the three of us could all stand around. around joined hand to hand and you.

couldn't reach around these trees you. know wow and you climb a little higher. and it's like boom it's just like wide. open and there's there's really nothing. like it I mean you can't you just you. can't fathom the beauty of it you know. well I've seen it on your show this is. the same place where you went hunting. Blacktail deer where you land on a float. plane and then you go up into the uh. into the the upper regions that was. where the fog rolled in and you had that. nice deer in your scope and you had. weight you know that that time when I. was up there there was a windstorm the.

wind was so bad it made the front page. news in town and um 70 they they kept. saying like 70 some mph winds blew down. a bunch of foam poles the next day uh a. pilot came up to kind of fly over to see. if we were still alive and everything. you know he just kind of cruise around a. check it was that's the thing is the. weather so when we go on this trip we. could either just get we could either. have the worst time or the best time. depending you know I mean just depending. on the weather it can be so just. uncomfortable and miserable or it can be.

just beautiful and there's places back. in there on you know Prince's island is. huge it's the but I think by some. definitions either the second. or it's either the third or fourth. biggest island we have what's. interesting about it that island is it. has you know half the surf I think it's. half the surface area as Hawaii the big. island in Hawaii but has like three. times the coastline whoa just you know. just a crazy like fjords and inlets and. Bays but there are places in this.

island that you you can't really there's. no Road system in a lot in a lot in a. lot of it and there's places you can't. fly to because there's no Lakes to land. and it's really hard to walk there so. sometimes you're looking at there's. mountains there and you're like I. guarantee that no one you know you can't. guarantee but I mean like for a 100. years it's probably no one has stepped. foot on that thing cuz you really had. we'd have to get to one place and you'd. have to get a boat and carry it through. and go across to another place and then.

climb up well it be mostly just climbing. like you just when you if you fly over. some of those mountain tops and you look. around them there's just no. way I I just know that no one's been. there unless you can land unless you can. land up there on a lake you know we'll. land on we'll land in a. spot and I want to just walk from there. and I think we will walk up into stuff. that that people haven't walked there I. mean there's always some crazy thing you. didn't know about but we're going to. walk into some stuff where people just. have not walked wow you know you can. stand around places there and.

say I like you know I feel very certain. that I'm like definitely the first guy. to ever have his feet sitting right here. I can't discount something that happened. you know hundreds and hundreds of years. ago but there's just some wild stuff in. there wow it's it's a you know right now. I got mixed feelings about it I too but. they just the forest service up there. just announced they're going to be uh. opening up a cut up there 6,000 Acres of. old growth wow for clearcuts yeah wow.

that's kind of [ __ ] up dude I. understand every single I I understand. every single argument for and against I. understand every single argument what's. for what's the good aspect of it. economics I mean like you used to have a. thriving logging industry based around. tongas you know tongas National Forest. so and it's just atrophied right so it's. a job creation thing you know I mean. that that's the four the four is just. people that live there having access to. like a good paying job the side is we.

have just a minuscule fraction of old. growth left you know yeah just I don't. see why anybody would allow that I mean. I I understand the economic thing but I. I always feel like there's got to be. another way to make money what's weird. too is Tong has just said recently that. over the next decade they're looking to. phase out old growth logging at the same. time that they are announcing and. pushing forth plans to do a big 6,000. acre clear cut so they're sort of.

acknowledging on one hand they they want. to get out of it or need to get out of. it or can see into the future they need. to get out of it and on the other hand. being like but we'll have one last hurah. I guess one last party and you're. dealing with how old do you think these. trees are well I mean these you know. there's I can't speak specifically to. that particular area but I mean there's. like Doug Furs that are much older than. than the birth of this nation out there. in Cedars I mean you know hundreds and. hundreds and hundreds of years old. giantes [ __ ] up to chop them down and. and make what you know it's sad man but.

you know like everything gets so. weirdly we've talked about this before. on the show how how things get so. convoluted like one of the big just to. bring it back to us going on a hunt for. sick of Blacktail deer like those sick. of Blacktail deer when we're going to. look for him we're going to be looking. for him up in the Alpine which they'll. be leaving so they'll be leaving around. the time we're going there that stuff. still has snow like where we're goingon. to be looking for deer will still have. snow in June okay then it melts off and.

there's long days and it turns like. beautiful and it gets very vibrant and. green and there's all kinds of. succulents and deer come up out of the. Timber to feed around in there and then. in October it snows so you have like a. couple snowf free months in October it. snows and those deer will all split. traditionally what those deer want to do. is they want to go down and spend the. winter down in Old growth because the. old growth canopy allows for kind of a. you know a snowf free sheltered. understory where they're you know down. on the down in the ground and they'll.

hang out in that old growth Timber so an. argument. against the cut would be that we need it. for deer and a further argument would be. the reason we need to protect deer. habitat is because we need to protect. the Wolves out there and some people. right now are trying to make a push to. say that the wolves in the Alexander. archipelago of which Prince of Wales. island is a part that those wolves are. genetically extinct and they therefore. deserve a level of protection like their.

own level of protection that they would. get Endangered Species Act protection. out on these islands when other people. are arguing it's just the same Wolf Man. I mean it's like you got wolves all over. it does like that population doesn't. deserve any specific thing so it winds. up being that people who might be. pushing against the timber. sail might wind up also be angling for. protecting wolves out there from hunting. and trapping and then you're left to be. like well I'm not really comfortable the. timber sale but I'm not really.

comfortable with you using biological. lumping and splitting in order to like. close down certain sorts of hunting. season so it winds up being that all. your friends aren't NE you know like the. enemies of your enemies aren't. necessarily your friends wow how comp. wildlife management is very complic wild. so anyways we're going into that area. and we're gonna hunt some Blacktail deer. and there's a health there's a good. healthy population you know it's still. good even a non resident you're allowed. two bucks and do they um do they have.

bear up there is it black bear yeah but. the thing about the bear is you'll see. some bear droppings or bear scatter or. bear [ __ ] here and there but those Bears. out there are so tuned in on the salmon. runs that they really don't spend a lot. of time um I think some move through but. they really don't spend a lot of time. feeding in those areas because they're. down 2,000 ft Timberline are is like. 1,800 2,000 ft they're down 2,000 ft. lower. in the river miles feeding on salmon and.

we and we like to have you know that. image of the bear grabbing a salmon out. and he's all silver and shiny and. healthy and floppy but long after the. runs are kind of done they're down there. just they're down there just feeding on. Rotten fish laying around I've W I've. watched wolves there eating dead S I. watched five wolves one time eating dead. salmon that were the consistency of. pudding wa just mopping it up they must. have unbelievable stomach back oh man.

you can't imagine. so um there's not a lot of bears up. there you know there's a lot of you see. some berries around but I think that so. many of the Bears are focused on that. stuff one thing you find some people say. in in those islands in Southeast Alaska. these are like they tend to be either a. black bear island or a Grizzly Island. and it just and it changes so you be on. one Island and it's black bears another. Island it's Grizzlies and it's sort of. this weird phenomenon that they don't. readily mix you get in interior areas on. the mainland where you have Grizzlies. and black bears.

coexist often times the Grizzlies will. dominate the salmon. streams and you'll have more black bears. up high so you could be standing on a. mountain a couple thousand feet above. sea level and it's just black bears. everywhere on top of the mountain. feeding on blueberries and you're. looking down at Primo salmon streams but. just big brown bears big Grizzlies down. there and they kind of hoard the spot. and the black bears don't get in there. they just can't you know they're kind of. enemies yeah they'll eat them too right.

Grizzlies yeah the uh the place that I. was up in um Alberta when we went bear. hunting they take uh carcasses after. they you know cut the backstraps off and. the hams they'll take like the body. cavity and they they leave it in certain. areas where they know Grizzlies are to. keep the Grizzlies coming to that right. yeah because they don't want the. Grizzlies coming to the um the other uh. baits the baits they have out for the. black Paar because they do they have to. abandon that bait because it's just too. sketchy they have some photos some track. camera trap photos of these [ __ ].

enormous Grizzlies wandering just. speeding up on black bears yeah I got a. buddy who saw one time he witnessed a. Grizzly kill a black bear disembowel it. and eat its liver whoa yeah and there's. a there's a very well-regarded hunting. guy in Alaska who's written some good. hunting books about Alaska named Tony. Russ and I was reading his book on. Hunting Kodiak or he's got he's got a. book on Hunting brown bears and. Grizzlies in Alaska and a lot of his. experiences around Kodiak and the Alaska. Peninsula and he was saying he's never. seen and and just to back up for a.

minute on Kodiak a like if you map out a. bear's diet okay a bear a boore bear a. male brown bear or Grizzly you know. brown bear on Kodiak if you map out his. annual diet what he's tuned into in the. spring are brown bear cubs yeah males. right he's like wakes up and he's. hunting brownberry Cubs and that's it's. a sign significant part of his diet but. what Tony Ross has said all of his years. of guiding. he's never seen where when you kill a.

big mature bore brown bear he's never. seen where another brown bear will come. and scavenge that carcass wow they'll SC. they they even with the things skinned. out and butchered right they recognize. through smell or whatever they will not. mess with that thing that's weird that's. what he says and this guy seen oh yeah. and this guy's seen a lot but he was. saying nothing will touch those big BS. the body on them too scared of them they. just I don't know even with I something. about them the smell or something they.

just know that they don't want anything. to do with it wow when we were in uh. Alberta one of the guys shot a bear late. at night and they didn't want to. retrieve it because there was too many. bears in the area it was just getting. sketchy they they shot the bear like. right at the moment where it was getting. dark out and the bear ran off and they. they just said we'll come back in the. morning so they came back in the morning. and a big boar was eating the other. black bear oh really so they had they. were taking selfies like smiling while. there there was a be behind them eating. a bear carcass that happened to a buddy.

of mine where he got one and Trail he. shot one with his bow and tracked at the. morning and it had it was just gone had. been consumed so crazy yeah yeah that's. that's the wild man when we were up. there one of the Bears one of the Boors. had uh attacked a sa killed its cub and. left half the Cub's body and then the S. came back and finished it off she ate. her own baby really yeah she ate her own. baby in front of them while they were in. the in the St I've heard competing. theories.

about that that on one hand the bore. just is doing it because he wants to eat. but there seems to be this upside where. this an additional upside besides. chloric intake that a. boar. will kill aa's Cubs and she'll come back. into estris yeah so when AA like aa's. gonna she'll have her her Cubs in the. den in February or March okay they're. just little hairess she don't even know. if she had them probably just these.

hairless little things and she'll take. care of them she'll emerge from her Den. with these little fur balls she'll stay. with them all summer long she'll Den. with them. again she'll come out again and usually. at some point that summer she might get. rid of them and so she's going to be off. like she won't cycle again potentially. for two years so if a boar has in his. area he hangs out he's got a half dozen. females apparently it's worth the risk.

to him that he might be I'm talking in a. genetic sense it's worth the risk to him. that he might be killing his own. offspring which he probably has no idea. whether it is or not kill his own. offspring Offspring in order to to have. that female go back into estris and then. breed her wow or whatever kind of. calculation he's probably not M. obviously he's not making that. calculation he's probably just going. like I'm hungry but a added benefit of. it is apparently he get he might double.

back around and you know and get her. again make love to the woman who. children he. consumed well Dolphins actually have a. strategy against that because one of the. things that a lot of people are not. aware we think of dolphins as being. really sweet and kind and they're nice. to people but Dolphins they eat their. own babies I didn't know that they don't. eat their own babies but they eat. dolphin babies and when a male dolphin. finds a female that he has never had sex. with and she has babies they'll often.

times kill the babies and they'll kill. the babies to force the woman to back to. breeding again because she'll go on a. seven-year cycle so when a female. dolphin has a baby she will not breed. again for seven years while that baby is. being raised and and growing old yeah. they put a huge investment apparently so. the strategy for female dolphins is they. are [ __ ] and they [ __ ] as many dolphins. as they can so that when the male comes. around and he sees her with the baby. he's like that might be my [ __ ] kid. all right I'm not going to kill that kid. cuz that's what keeps them from killing.

the the the females babies which really. what because they're thinking I mean. they're really intelligent animals they. have a cerebral cortex it's 40% larger. than a human beings and a matter of fact. anybody who's listening to this check. out Radio Lab Radio Lab has an amazing. podcast the one that's on out this week. is called hello and it's all about John. Lily and John Lily's work with inter. species communication with okay you know. who John Lily was he was a no no I don't. know that name maniac. crazy man and uh these other scientists.

that worked with him actually wound up. taking his research and bringing it to. some new place because Lily uh he was. also the inventor of the isolation tank. he created a sensory deprivation tank. because he was he was a Pioneer which. you're a fan of right huge fan um Lily. uh would take acid and set up a tank. next to the Dolphins and he would take. acid go in the isolation tank and try to. communicate with the dolphins so while. the Dolphins were like. make all these weird noises he would.

like try to decipher those while he was. on acid in his tank and he eventually. went off the deep end with like really. getting like heavily heavily into. ketamine and all these weird. tranquilizers and drugs and became. actually addicted to ketamine and that's. when he lost all his funding nobody. wanted to have anything to do with it. when it came to this Dolphin Research. anymore because they knew that he was. doing that and one of the women that he. had hired to um live with a dolphin they. had like an apartment set up where it. was underwater like it was essentially.

to her it was like waste high in water. and she had a dolphin that she lived. with for like 6 months in this and she. wound up like jerking the dolphin off is. that right because the dolphin would. like hump her leg all the time and it'. be really distracting cuz he was a young. dolphin so she's look I'm going just. take care of that for you and she would. just jerk this dolphin off and then you. know to her it was like look he's got an. issue and it's getting in the way of. work so I'll just take care of that but. everybody else is like whoa whoa whoa. whoa you're doing scientific research by. jerking off dolphins like okay yeah I. can see that she might need a couple.

minutes to explain herself man but the. the the podcast sort of focuses on. Dolphin communication and their their. the difficulty that they have like they. know that the Dolphins want to. communicate with them but they have that. blo hole and that's how they make their. noise so it's really hard for them to. make noises that mimic human noises CU. they don't really have the ability to. make M's and T's and all. completely different.

apparatus so in the in the podcast you. hear her talking to the dolphin and the. dolphin trying to imitate what she's. saying it's crazy is right it's amazing. you get into like when you get into. animal communication so much of it. becomes semantical or or an argument of. semantics where you'd say like well. we're the only thing with language and. people be like well you know actually X. Y and Z has something okay what I mean. we're the only thing with complex. language you B well you know some.

animals are actually able to convey you. know fairly complex things like that. there's you know a predator above us and. they're like well what I mean. is they they don't have syntax right you. know and you kind of like wind up. running out it's like the verdict still. out man there's some like animals do. convey some complicated stuff and my two. brothers are ecologists you know like. PhD scientists and and they kind of hate. the conversation you know because they. they really resist not resistant to but.

they have a hard time with trying to use. our terminology and use our language to. describe what animals are up to right. you know like to say for for you to say. that the dolphin eats the ba or doesn't. want to eat the baby. because it might be his baby someone. might argue that that animal probably. has no comprehension of that or even. that they are not able to. equate sex with reproduction hm they're. so intelligent though I don't know how.

they wouldn't be able to equate I don't. I don't either I don't think they strugg. this all I really should have said. killed they kill them I don't I don't. think they eat them they might they're. really but they kill them they bite them. you know I struggle with this stuff all. the time. because you know as a. hunter I'm always weighing out like what. is it like what are the things that. we're after and what are their. capabilities you know I don't want to. fall into some trap where I just act. like oh it's just like corn with legs.

you know so I do I am curious all the. time about you like the the capabilities. of animals and I tend to be open to the. idea that. there's there's like different sets of. experiences that different animals have. you know do some have more perhaps more. of an awareness than others yeah you. know there's like a there's a hierarchy. if you will and I think that the. consensus is that dolphins are pretty. high on that hierarchy yeah dolphins and. orcas of course orcas are very high up. on that they and they eat dolphins.

that's what's really [ __ ] up you know. I've been going through this with my kid. man he um we just mve to the Pacific. Northwest and so I keep talking to my. kid about everything's got a killer. whale on it you know like like stores. grocery stores whatever just like a. common Motif and um I kep tell them. that's a killer whale it's a killer. whale and I know that a lot of people. like to call him orcas you know and orc. is some Greek word I think just means. satian just means whale it's a pretty. generic term. and some people say that killer whale.

killer whales used to be called whale. Killers yeah and whale killer became. killer whale so I'm always telling my. kid oh it's killer whale and one day my. kid comes home and he's just mad in hell. because he learned that it's not a. killer whale it's a Orca you know and. I'm like listen man I know what like I. know what the person who told you that. is trying to tell you and I already know. that but I told you killer whale not. because I wasn't aware because I was. trying to circumvent you know I was. trying to do to come back around against.

what you would inevitably learn about. its PC name oh I see you know you were. like like it wasn't that I didn't know I. was just trying to fill you up with just. to open you to the idea that that. there's the animals get new names all. the time and it's just a PC it's like a. it's like a um what do you call it's. like a marketing term yeah more because. of marketing term whale whale I mean. it's not a whale it's a tooth whale is. it yeah but the Dolphin's a tooth whale. too because it's a cousin I see what. you're saying I thought pardon me I.

thought you were saying that some wasn't. a mammal or something oh oh no it's it's. a it's a cousin of a dolphin right you. know I don't know like taxonomically. where is it at yeah i' be I'd be curious. I'm pretty sure be curious to know yeah. because I'm pretty sure there's a crazy. video of one kill they're killing a. whale while it's alive these killer. whales are that's how most killing. happens yeah but I mean it's it's a I. should say they're eating it while it's. alive they're biting chunks of its face. off and it's just so hard to watch. because we think of these whales as.

being these beautiful creatures and we. think of I don't know why we have this. weird idea of killer whales as being. like these really Noble creatures you. know cuz I always think of killer whales. as being like the friend of man and. that's why when one does freak out at. SeaWorld it makes SeaWorld look so. horrible because in the wild there's. almost no evidence whatsoever that. whales have ever killed anybody yeah but. he's probably after a while he's like. what am I supposed to kill then yeah. well yeah exactly exactly I mean whale. well and the instincts that they have. you know I was the way I was equated one.

of the things I have a problem with zoos. in general is that they don't allow. animals to do their natural thing I. really think that what zoo should be is. get all those [ __ ] together you. should have a giant piece of land if. you're going to fence it in let them in. there and let them run wild and if. people really want to see animals what. they should see is Jaguars killing. monkeys and the the whole gamut and it. sounds [ __ ] up but that's really what. the wild is cuz what we're doing by. taking these animals and putting them in. these weird cages is we're creating.

these closed in ecosystems where these. animals never have to compete their food. is given to them and we're ruining their. genetics I mean those animals that are. in zoos they're completely incapable of. ever being reintroduced into the wild. unless you take them and it would have. to be some really exhausting effort to. try to reintroduce them to the idea of. hunting their own food or C Gathering. their own food but those [ __ ] dummies. that you have in the zoo you've created. these welfare monkeys you know these. monkeys that just I shouldn't say.

welfare I should say like they're pets. they're like dogs it's like expecting. your dog to figure out how to go hunting. when he's just sitting there wagging his. tail waiting for you to open up a can of. Alpo they they don't know any better but. what zoo is using their. defense and you know some people we've. kind of gotten away from a lot of people. have gotten away from aesthetically sort. of like the bear in the cage kind of. display but what zarai is able to use in. their defense is that with cases like. the panda FL a panther they have they're. a genetic Reserve so maybe they're not.

um maybe they're not. ensuring Behavior they're not like. protecting Behavior but they're at least. protecting like the genetic Reserve yeah. you know there's a good AR [ __ ] hit the. fan for some species you have that and. there's many many examples of things. that you know of wild populations that. have been. supplemented through the zoo stuff but I. know what you're saying like I I don't. like I when I take my kid to a zoo I. remember we were sitting there looking.

at this like I mean just a pathetic. example of a of a grizzly bear I. remember just kind of wanting to look at. my son be like listen dude you're. getting the wrong idea these things are. badass normally you know yeah it's just. kind of sad have you seen that show The. Hunt that I told you about the one no no. I didn't see it but I remember you. talking about it pretty interesting I. don't think it's I read about it after. you showed it after you told me about it. because the guy from Metallica was. narrating it and then he got the their. band got punished and weren't allowed to. play at a music festival they were.

trying to ban him for the music I don't. think it it what what the [ __ ] is his. name cuz he Nar a showfield right James. yeah he's a good narrator it's. interesting and he's a hunter he he. hunts a lot and uh there's a photo of. him with this [ __ ] giant bear holy. [ __ ] I mean it's a perspective shot you. know they always put the bear yeah. getting way back yeah but but this. [ __ ] bear is huge I mean it's like a. 9ft bear it's enormous and it just the. the shoulders on this [ __ ] thing and. the head on this thing it's just just. and he's standing in front of him people.

like oh my God disgusting evil what they. don't understand is if you truly love. bears you got to kill that bear because. if you don't kill that bear that bear. those big giant bears are responsible. for decimating the population of cubs. that's what they do and if you don't. trim the big ones if you don't kill some. of the big ones there's a photo of him. with the bear I mean that is a [ __ ]. big a giant yeah where was that was that. Kodiak that's Kodiak yeah he shot one up. there while he was doing that that show. apparently I mean they are enormous en.

you're not you're not you might see like. someone might see that you killed a big. male bear and and be upset by it but. you're really not. impacting the bear population you know. you're impacting that individual bear. but you're not having any kind of real. long-term deleterious effect on the. Bears of that Island which are very you. know it's a very stable well regulated. population of bears out there I put in. for that tag I think as a non-guided.

non-resident so like if you want to go. with the guide you can go to Kodiak and. hunt you know you can just go book a. trip and go so you just have to pay them. and they have a certain amount of tax. they allocate like I don't know what it. is you might pay 253 grand for the hunt. it's interesting watch but a non-guided. non-resident that's so I always put in. for there's a very limited number of. tags for non-guided non-resident which. mean that I would have to. go in lie of a guide I get a like. because my brother's a resident of a Lab. I don't need to use a guide when hunting.

animals that you normally need to guide. to hunt so I can go with him and Hunt. there and so every other year they do a. thing where you can apply for the spring. hunt I always put in for that hunt and. then when you told me about that show I. was bummed because I was like now the. odds of drawing that tag are probably. going to for a long time go way way way. down because there's probably going to. be a ton of dudes putting in for the. permit now yeah I could be wrong but I. feel like it's going to increase. interest and now I'm like trying to. think of a new place to start putting in. I've never killed a grizzly bear I I I.

want to I really want to one time well. you also have a weird thing where you. want a grizzly bear to scratch your. chest and leave. scars why would you say it meant a lot. more to me when I was. single that just seems like one of the. worst requests ever like a a [ __ ]. giant bear I mean what what is a a full. grown Grizzly way what's the weight I. mean there's a magical number to get. thrown around lot is like when people. run when people want to say that the.

bear was huge they say it was a th000. PBS right but those I guess are like if. you put a lot of thousand PB Bears on a. scale they're 800 lb okay they're 750. lbs 800 lbs you know again that Tony. Russ guy that wrote those books I was. talking about has uh he's had an immense. amount of experience and he kind of has. a passage in there where he talks about. like the Thousand lb bear and there just. aren't a lot of them out there as as. much as you read people getting like 10.

foot th000 PB Bears you you know you and. I laughed about this before because. everyone that sees a mountain line in. the. wild always says um big [ __ ] boar you. know 200 lb boar I remember like I. laughed cuz you saw a line you said it. looked like a small one I was like. you're the first guy I've ever met that. saw a small Li I've seen two of them. they were both around the same weight. the first one I saw was like a dog size. like 60 70 lbs and the SE second one it. was a much quicker view of them but. again I thought it was a coyote until I. saw it tail and then I I noticed it had.

this big bouncy tail it was in Santa. Barbara I was in monoco driving through. a residential neighborhood and we're. like my wife said it saw first she goes. coyote and I go oh [ __ ] look at it tail. and we're like that's a mountain line it. was like so it was like in that time we. saw it in the headlights couldn't have. been more than 70 lbs yeah that's your. Discerning individual to not have seen a. 200 lb Tom so there's a thlb bear but. that like that bear we're just looking. at is is a huge bear but I don't know. what he weighs well did you see that. video that's been going around lately of. a bear that was walking around on two.

legs and people were saying is this. Bigfoot is this what people are seeing. because it's absolutely a black bear and. this Bear Just for whatever reason de to. get around he walked like a long. distance on two legs like it's a crazy. videoen pull that video up Jamie because. it's the one in the neighborhood right. yeah yeah yeah it's like walking in this. like Suburban neighborhood and this. [ __ ] bear is on two legs like a dude. in a bear outfit like Yogi really yeah. and I mean he walks 30 40 yards like.

this so if you were in the woods and you. saw this bear doing that you'd be like I. saw a [ __ ] Sasquatch I know what I. saw especially if it was like dusk you. know look at this bear look at him you. go to be kidding me no check him out man. pull it pull it from the beginning so we. can see the whole. thing like that the ABC News look at. this oh yeah man I mean if you didn't. know any better especially if it was. thick woods and you saw that thing you. would [ __ ] swear that that's you know. what the the shots you're looking at. right there are often about as long as.

you see a bear yeah look at him I mean. look at that look at that that is. [ __ ] crazy that's pretty wild that he. likes to get around like that you would. assume that that is a a monkey that's an. ape that's a [ __ ]. bear now does he have a normal gate when. he does get down on all fours or is he. screwed up somewhow no he was running oh. he was you saw him run on all four it. says his paws are injured oh his paws. injured oh he might have got caught trap. no no no not both Paws but look like his.

right paw looks like his right paw what. state see in new I think New Jersey yeah. I mean if he got caught a trap it's. because someone illegally set I don't. think that's I mean you can't trap bears. in New Jersey but just the fact that a. bear has that ability can you trap it. all in New. Jersey I don't know what yeah there's. some fur trapping there but I don't know. to what extent but there's no bear. trapping there but isn't it possible. that he got caught in another animal's. trap and that's how is still alive cuz. he. only there's no trap that would be used.

for fur bearing animals now that would. [ __ ] that thing to the point where he. would do that if he got caught in a in a. foothold trap or leg hold trap he would. pop his foot out of there really I mean. I can't like I can't rule out everything. if that's what happened to that bear and. I have no reason to think that it is um. if that's if like if someone came down. and said absolutely that's what happened. to that bear I'd be like then someone. was doing like an an illegal trapping. activity because that's not something.

that would happen is it much more likely. because we're looking at a residential. area that stood on something but I could. put my I used to do this when I used to. trap I used to do this all the time is. you know I can snap my hand in most. traps really yeah cuz the Trap has more. of a function of I mean this is going to. get all you're going to probably hear. from all kinds of your listeners but it. has a holding function so it starves him. to death no not not if you're no because. you're you're have to check your traps. oh so you go there and it's still alive. and then you have to kill it yeah so.

when I used to fur trap I would check my. traps every 24 hours usually in the. morning you know but anyways what the. Trap largely serves to do is hold. something and the way when you rig. them if you do things right okay you rig. them with a lot of swivels and things. and so what you're trying to do is. really limit any kind of damage to the. animal and this isn't altruistic the. reason you want to limit damage to the. animal is the animal's less likely to.

fight the Trap okay if you have a trap. that causes that causes like nerve. damage bone damage numbing okay it's all. the more chances that that thing is. going to be working harder to get away. and thinking is the the in the ideal. case you're just trying to hold it with. a foothold trap so it chew it way out. does everybody they yeah people always. say chew but what what they will do and. I've you know I have I've seen it happen. particularly with muskrats which have. very very thin bones there's one who. only has one paw wonder what happened to.

him where's that I have no idea I just. typed in bear trap Park Service what do. you think happened there well that's. that's too high on his leg to be a trap. yeah so maybe that's a shot a gunshot or. something like that he could have been. he could have got shot he could have got. shot he could have got hit by a car he. could have got I mean you know I mean. things we meet such weird ends and. injuries I've seen bears that I'm fairly. convinced on Prince Welles Island I've.

seen bears that I'm fairly convinced had. been shot just because of the sort of. like wear on the shoulder it happened. you know right like it looked like. someone just I just be like I could. picture how that would happen I can't. say that that didn't happen there but. that would that's not a trap thing what. I have seen with muskrats anyways. muskrats have very very very thin bones. and you'll see where you get muskrats it. would in tra or par Lance they'll say it. would ring out so it would just twist. and get away you know oh okay so it just. keeps spinning until get people say like.

a chew out but it's weird cuz people who. you know people defending trapping will. like to clarify it's not actually a chew. off it's a ring off but they're still. cutting their own arm off Yeah by. spinning around until the tissue I never. saw it I saw it on um. muskrats I never saw it on larer. animals I know I'm not not say that it. doesn't happen but but again like like. everything there's a there's a sort of.

there's good practices okay I don't trap. anymore so I'm not I don't have like a. when I when I tell you what I'm telling. you I'm just telling you this from being. a guy who likes to be clear about. factual matters I'm not I don't have. like a real dog in the race on this so. to speak right now but. when if you follow good practices on. trapping. okay you it's in your best interest to. not have these sorts of things happen. that you would set in a way that you.

don't have incidental catches or by. catch right you check your traps on a. very tight schedule you know you rig. them in such a way that you don't cause. damage that if you did get something. else into your trap you would be able to. release that thing unharmed but there. are people who for lack of caring and. there are people who just for lack of. technical expertise screw these things. up you know and often times you could. get violations like what would be like a. trapping based violation from someone. who wouldn't self-identify as a fur.

trapper but who just got mad about some. bear or whatever getting into his. dumpster and then he takes matters into. his own hands completely outside of the. law and decides to like fix that bear. and and and expertly set a trap for it. you know now there are be traps right. those big traps you see in those movies. that catch the bad guy in his leg and. he's screaming ah yep those are real. those are I mean there there used to be. a lot of black bear trapping you know. people used to trap blackbears all the. time there used to be some grizzly.

trapping at a time people would trap. them to sell fur they'd trap them to get. them for you know scientific purposes. they they trap them to just catch them. for pets they' trap them to mitigate. livestock risk you know there's a lot of. trapping going on right. now be trapping. um isn't a thing that goes on like. there's not like that's a bear trap. right there yeah so yeah and what's. funny now is there used to be a lot of. bear traps antique bear traps on the. market but people still.

manufacture what would what would be a. bear trap in order to sell it as a like. as a piece of me like a false. memorabilia oh like a flint lock gun. sell so there's a lot of guys that make. re like reproductions of old bear traps. that there's no like no one's like. intending that they're going to go set. it for a bear but people want to have. like a lodge you know you got like your. cabin and you want to have a big bear. trap hanging up in it right so there's a. lot of bear traps and you'll see where a. dude will think he has something awesome. you know and he's trying to sell it for.

a th000 bucks and you look at him be. like I you go buy those all day long for. $150 it just like it's not old you. there's a a comedy club in town called. The Improv in the front of the comedy. club at one time they they've abandoned. it but it was a barbecue place and the. barbecue place they tried to make it. like with old tools in the wall like an. old saw like you know those wooden. handle on each. side and you could look at it you're. like I know that [ __ ] is 2 years old. like I'm looking up it's all rusty and.

everything but I know this is not a. [ __ ] antique they had uh one of those. sickles that you know like the the death. dealer that uh what do they call it Grim. Reaper Grim Reaper is always supposed to. have that was on the wall too like. you're trying to make it like some. Farm old timey old timey Wood Walls like. a stained you know like a they made it. look like it's old and weathered you. know the wood which some of mean this is. actually from a 100-year old farmhouse. the wood that we have here this is. reclaimed Oak this is from yeah it's. it's I I specifically went out of the.

way to get old wood cuz I felt like it'd. be kind of cool you know because it's. probably some weird energy and some Old. Farm wood this is like real old thick. wood oh yeah no I like it I I have the. me and my old man cut down he's dead now. but when I was in high school he was. building a pole barn and we cut down an. oak on this piece of property we owned. across the road from our house this a. little corner lot and we cut down an oak. he built the barn and I took that Oak.

the logs and I took them down and put. them on a flatbed trailer and had him M. into Lumber oh wow and took all that. Lumber and years later he's been dead. since I think 2002 2003 I still haven't. finished this but then I laminated all. those pieces together into like what. looks like chunks of a bowling lane ah. I'm still trying to make a damn desk out. of these things oh wow it's like and I'm. actively engaged right now and trying to. move move one of these slabs from Mil. City out to Washington now so I can.

continue my now 12 year long project of. trying to turn me in the old man's tree. so anyways I'm I'm a sentimentalist when. it comes to Wood just like yourself oh. that's cool so you're going to make it. like a writing desk like where you do. your writing I think so I think I'm. going to make a WRA around desk yeah. that's a great idea yeah but all the. pieces I have together aren't as big as. this desk we're sitting at but it's. still a nice you know big chunk I have a. desk that I bought in 1993 it's a. writing desk and it's got two levels. like one level it's a very it's old uh. it's it's Oak you know but it's like.

there was a place called the writer. store and there was a store in Hollywood. that was just all writing stuff they. used to have like script programs for. old school Macs like you know the oldest. computer me this 1994 that I got this. [ __ ] thing and I've written. everything I've ever written on this one. desk still now yeah I won't I won't ever. get rid of it my wife's like let's get. rid of this piece of [ __ ] get the [ __ ]. out of here this this desk is going. nowhere it's solid as a rock it's all. Oak but it's just there's stains on it. she said it's dis disgusting it's got. like coffee like yeah yeah yeah yeah. this shit's perfect like as long as it's.

in my office you [ __ ] leave it here. it's got the patina of your uh sweat and. labor everything good I've ever written. is all from that desk this one desk I've. had and I'm never getting rid of it I. just got this one oak desk that I've had. from the beginning of my time here in LA. and I'll never get rid of that [ __ ] so. when you say that you've written do you. sit down and write yes stand up well I. sit down and write this is what I do. most of the time I write like I used to. keep an active blog on my website but um.

when I started writing a book I got a. book deal a few years back and I started. writing a book I stopped writing the. blog and then when uh the Publishers. were just [ __ ] trying to they were. essentially trying to get me to write it. like standup I remember you told me. about this yeah so I gave them their. money back which you felt like doesn't. work for a book well I don't like it. like I've read I've read like George. Carlin's book which is essentially just. his standup in in book form and Jerry. Seinfeld did similar thing I don't like. that I if I'm going to if I want George.

Carlin's writing like that I want to see. it I want to see George Carlin do his. stuff I don't want to read it you know. there's some benefit I guess in reading. it there's some it's good it's better. than nothing but it's not as good as. when I when I write I'm writing stuff. because I know people are going to read. it you know so the descriptives are very. different the way it's spaced out is. very different the way I set things up. as different and so um what I do now is. I write as if I was going to write a. book or a blog entry and then I go over.

it and then I extract ideas that come. out of that because I feel like I do. both like I'll write down specifically. I'll try to write as a joke like. thinking I'm standing on stage and you. know set up punchline or beginning. premise and then add in the jokes but. more often I just write like I'll write. about something and then along the way. usually I'm baked so it's I get silly. like as I'm writing like these new ideas. will come in I just writing with. characters and stuff just writing as you. talking but you write as you talking I.

yeah I write not even as me talking I. just write like I'll write like. uh like I'll pick a subject like. um whatever amphetamines P speed you. know Aderall and I'll start writing. about adall you know and then along the. way you know I'll have like a really. funny thing will come up in the writing. where like like I'm laughing as I'm. writing it cuz it just came out of.

nowhere don't you feel like you're a. really good writer Man by the way I. really loved mediator it's a really good. book oh thanks man it's uh it was I mean. I knew you're a smart dude and you're. you're you're obviously very articulate. but the writing was very it's very. descriptive it's very interesting it's. very fun to follow and when you um when. you write stuff like that don't you feel. like sometimes s like as you're writing. like it's almost like it's not even you. that's writing like these ideas just.

sort of like pop into your head like out. of nowhere and then you're putting them. down no I'm um for me I'm so aware of. the process that there's no surprising. thing to me one of my mentors one like. what I regard as one of the best. American nonfiction writers out there. Alive Now is is a writer named Ian. Frasier and he was what's his uh. work he he's got several books one of.

the books I hold up is just like one of. the in my opinion one of the finest. books ever written is his book Great. Planes Great Planes which is about the. great PLS um but he's he's a stylist you. know he's also he was a humor writer for. the New Yorker for a long time anyway I. I had great Fortune to you know he he I. know if he would use his term I think he. like mentored me in some way I read of. stuff and had opportunity to hang out. with him a handful of times. and he was saying that when he was. growing up and he wanted to be a writer.

he pictured that writers would be that. you're sitting at a desk kind of. chuckling to yourself as you you know. have all these fantastic ideas but when. I write I get so few words written every. day and every sentence that I write. takes I have to write it and rewrite it. and rewrite it so many times that. there's never a thing where I feel like. um there's never a thing where I feel. like holy smokes I nailed it because.

it's it's. so I almost look at like if you're. building a house you know maybe when you. get all done with the house you can. stand outside and be like wow there it. is I did it but there's never like. there's never a shocking moment because. every nail and every board you know. there's never a chance for where. something jumps ahead radically really. quickly in a way that can startle you. now the other night I wrote my brother's. getting married this weekend my older. brother. and I sat down to to make some notes.

about um you know my best man speech. right after I wrote my best man. speech it's funny because this just. happened to me last night after I did my. best man speech I felt like why can't I. feel like I I had where I got I was like. talking about some funny stuff in my. head and kind of writing down notes and. I thought of some way to actually like. you're supposed to doing a best man. speech is you're supposed to make it. like hit right like hit the right note. right it's and you're dogging on them. and then all of a sudden you turn it you. know and it's sweet and nice okay and I.

found that turn to make it sweet and. nice and it's so and it just struck me. as being like perfect you know I was. like why can't the regular writing I do. feel that way that's interesting where. I'm like ha you know and I kind of want. to like pump my fist in the air do other. people that you know that are writers. have those moments with those those uh. those moments that I'm talking about. where things just pop to you I feel like. they do I I you know one of the things I. follow on Twitter is this thing um John.

wincker and it's just I don't know how. he does it but six or seven times a day. he's got quotes from great writers about. writing is how do he spell his name JN w. i n oh John. Wier it's like writers on. writing and I learned more about writing. and writers from reading this thing cuz. it's like really cool writers talking. about the writing process I'm sure he's. probably hit one just within minute oh. at advice to writers advice to writers.

had you uh like here right now just a. couple minutes ago um or a couple hours. ago when I write I don't think of the. audience after the fact I think well I. hope they like it so that's like a. writer talking about writing right and. this Twitter feed hits these quotes all. day long so I learned more about writers. even though I went to writing school and. everything I learned more about writers. following that guy's Twitter account and. I do gather that some writers are blown. away and have fun writing to me it's. agonizing I can't stand it that's the. weird thing about doing TV is I.

love having written you know when I. write a book I'm. so it's just like a deep deep. satisfaction okay I love having done it. when I die if they will if they chisel. ryer into my Tombstone you know I I'd be. very happy right but I hate the act of. writing making TV is so fun just in the. moment it's very fun right I love going. out and doing it you know but when it's.

said and done I don't get that that. feeling like I slayed a. dragon like I would get from writing a. book I know exactly what you're talking. about you know yeah you're when you're. doing a television show also it's very. different than most TV and that you're. out there doing something you enjoy. anyway exactly and there's a lot of. people coming in on it so writing is. like me I mean sure you know you have it. I don't mean to in any way discount the. role of an editor and I don't know if. you do something similar with your stand. up if you show other Comedians and stuff.

but you have like a role of an editor so. I don't want to act like oh it's just. all out of your head you know my agent I. work closely with he influences things I. do my editor but in the end it's like. kind of it's your thing right TV's a. whole bunch of people so you could go. out and have a great thing and then you. turn it in and the and the editor Nails. it so I can't go like I made this. amazing TV show because it's like this. the guy that produced it the guys that. shot it the has edited it right all that. kind of stuff and so your sense of. ownership becomes a little bit different.

you're like a stakeholder and not like. the dude that owns the thing yeah. there's so much going on there's music. there the way it's edited extremely it. it really has a massive impact on how it. comes off as a as a piece yeah I think. like as a host you know as a host as a. person who has like a a lot of Sway and. the kind of things we go do I still feel. like um you know I'm kicking in 10 or. 20%. that's interesting and 80 90% is you.

know a handful of other people who are. throwing in on it nobody works harder. than people who work on your show like. those camera dudes like Dodie and Mo and. all those guys who have to [ __ ] sleep. in tents and in the back of that [ __ ]. van where the llamas piss. and I mean I really kind of love it and. I love those guys and it's funny we just. had this guy we wound up liking him we. had a camera guy come out with us for. the first time and um and and he was. just getting beat up I mean he admitted.

it you know and it kind of became the. joke where he's saying to do he's like. man you guys got to do a better job of. explaining what this is and Dan's like I. feel like I said it's like rigger is. hiking you know he's like yeah but that. like that's not this I thought like like. walking on a trail or something you know. it's like but there's no language to. explain it I don't know why those guys I. do know why I think one could look and. be like I don't understand why those. guys would subject.

themselves to that right level of. treatment because I've had the. opportunity to work very briefly in what. would be like network television. mainstream television and I'm telling. you what it's not typical what you do. what those guys do in the hours they do. it is not typical not at all no I was. shocked to hear like one time some guy. was coming out with this and I knew it. was going to be trouble cuz he's coming. out he's asking about what the hours are. I'm like I don't know I think you know.

we usually we'll sleep at. night I mean 24 hours a day or the hours. it's like what do you mean when you're. sleeping on the ground in Montana and. it's 0 degrees outside and you're. [ __ ] huddled up in your tent you're. you're kind of working still cuz you. would never be there unless they were. paying you to be there like even though. you're off I mean still you're. subjecting yourself to sleeping on the. ground in Montana in a tent you're. freezing your dick off yeah you know. like you have to like Flex and sze under. your sleeping bag to generate some warm.

before you can pass out you're kind of. working yeah like that like Dodie. Giannis Mo they. just they just they like to be in some. way tortured a little bit I think and. they also just like to be working you. know I don't I don't think that they but. the other thing is I don't think they. really they're at work but I don't know. how much they think about it being at. work I see what you're saying I think. they just think of it as like. existing whoa do I mean I don't think.

they go like oh now I'm going to work I. think that they think of their lives. more their lives don't seem to I don't. think they think of their lives as. having like it's like now I'm at work. now I'm at home now I'm at work now I'm. at home I think like at home they're. thinking about work stuff and oh okay I. see you know what I mean I feel like. more they that they don't look at it. like you know punching the Old Clock. it's my guess well it was funny because. Mo and I had a conversation once about. another show that he was working on and. one of the guys that was on the other. show and uh he was taking great pride in. describing what a coward this guy was.

and it was it was not even great pride. but he was enjoying it he's like he's. yell you know and he he was he was. talking about it but it was like here's. a guy that's been working on your show. for several seasons and he's [ __ ]. undergone some horrendous locations and. climbing to the top of [ __ ] mountains. while carrying a 50 lb camera and the. whole deal I mean these [ __ ] cameras. are no joke and Hiking just carrying a. gun hiking is difficult there's all this. sliding of the ground underneath you and. you're constantly going up up up and.

you're you know essentially like you're. doing like little mini squats all day. long and it's exhausting and these guys. are doing it with one arm holding a. [ __ ] camera backwards backwards that. old joke about Ginger Rogers and Fred AA. you know like she did everything Fred AA. did backwards or something heels or. whatever it was right right yeah you. know Mo's too good though man. like like we can't like Mo's too good. you know he's like always he's off doing. other stuff you know it was like a treat. it was like a treat to have him but no.

he's we always trying to and but he's. just in such demand you know what I mean. he's been he's nominated for all these. Emmys all the time he won he won an Emmy. he's nominated for an Emmy this year. well your show stands out all I mean. there's there's hunting shows and then. there's your show the only show that. I've seen recently that does that as. well have you seen Uncharted the Jim. shaki show no but I know a lot of I know. his stuff I haven't seen that but I know. that that that show is a highly. respected show it's really good man I've.

heard do was telling me he said it's. phenomenal I watched it the other day. for the first time and he was off in. Pakistan and it was really intense. because one of the guys that goes with. him all the time his wife didn't want. him going to Pakistan I mean she was. like really scared and she was like you. know it's so dangerous there please. don't go he's got a wife and kids and so. he stayed back and you know Jim shaki. went by himself and they followed the. guy who stayed back going on this trip. um to to hunt deer uh and when he went. on this trip at home in Texas to hunt.

deer you know he was talking about his. dad and like like a real scene like. crying and it was it was really intense. that's great it was very very very. intense but in a way that you you know. like a lot of those shows are so [ __ ]. bad long before I got involved in TV and. outdoor TV it was like a thing you would. always hear is friends of mine guys I. respected would kind of be sort of. dismissing outdoor television as a genre. but the thing was always like but.

shaki's legit or or or some or some such. thing I mean he's been around for so. long you know but he's a he's a highly. respected figure there's this annual. thing called Shot Show and and I see him. you can't miss him I mean the guy's huge. and you know he's kind of like the last. great white Hunter you know and um. cowboy hat all the time yeah I see him. when I you don't know I always think I'm. going to go up and say something to him. I never have you never have really oh I. would I would force myself to no I never. want to meet that guy and there's. there's an amazing thing some uh I mean. there's just some good clips of stuff.

he's done and he's he's an articulate. guy and and goes to some cool places and. he's you know you can tell his heart's. in the right place man like I think he. has an. honest you know he has an honest. affection for for wildlife and wild. places for sure yeah for sure he also. enjoys the roughing it aspect of it like. he enjoys going to these ridiculous. remote locations and hunting these very. odd animals anal very exotic animals he. did some thing when they flew into. Russia and they they took these [ __ ].

weird SUV things these off I mean I. shouldn't even say SUV these weird. allterrain vehicles that look like these. military vehicles deep deep deep in the. mountains like 12-hour drive and just so. he's been to some wild places get some. [ __ ] weird Ram you know it was just. it was really intense it's like it's it. was unexpected I just was flipping. through the channels and it came on and. I'd seen his other show before and so. this Uncharted thing I'd seen all these. ads for it but man they were in Pakistan.

and they were they had armed guards with. them everywhere they went right guys. with AK-47s and it was like it was. pretty intense cuz it's a [ __ ]. dangerous dangerous place and he's out. there wearing the traditional Muslim. Garb he wears like the the the clothes. that those people wear K really you. don't want to stand out you don't want. to stand out as being a western God he's. like the green bravs man yeah so he's. wearing their outfits as he's hunting. it's really intense and you know they're. in the [ __ ] middle of I mean deep in. the middle of nowhere hunting some Ram.

that's great I'm glad I'm glad you like. that show cuz it's good to hear uh you. know something out there that caught. your eye it's really well done it's. really well done but there's like that. show your show and then like you know. the rest of them are there some of them. that look like they're made with like a. home movie camera and it's like a guy. who's never even thought about making a. show some sometimes that's true man. there's a guy um there's a guy I was. talking to who makes the hunting show. and one day we're talking I was shocked. to hear that he's uh he's a registered. nurse has a full-time job at the. hospital whoa and he you know he makes a.

hunting show yeah he just burns it up. man he like wow just something he wants. to do and he's just finds a way to make. it happen yeah it's [ __ ] hard it's. some of them too it's like there's some. of them that are the same show always. which is so bizarre yeah we that's the. thing we have a conversation about is is. um I wanted to go back and and film next. spring. um I have a black bear permit for this. regulatory year which extends to the. next spring for Prince Wales I wanted to.

go back and and. Dodie was saying like anything that you. know we did a show out there I'm. interrupting my own story we did a show. out on Prince Wales last spring and went. and found a lot of bears and um and I in. the end I like could have shot a bear I. didn't because I just have this. strange feeling sometimes not strange. sometimes I just want to watch Bears. rather than shoot at them so we did a. show about about that. and I wanted to go back this spring and.

doie was like I just feel like anything. we could have done out there we've done. you know and then one hand I'm like yeah. that's right we probably shouldn't go. and do a show an episode in the same. place doing the same thing but on the. other hand I'm like B it cuz some shows. all it is they don't do anything but. hunt their like some lease they have for. white tail deer every single time yeah. yeah the whole show is looking at camera. photos from camera traps and them you. know talking about the different stands. that they have set up and then them up.

in the stand with a bow and arrow. waiting for a [ __ ] deer to come by I. mean that is every goddamn show it's. always white tail it's always in a tree. stand it's always in the same sort of. Farmland on the edges of these. cornfields and it's the same show every. goddamn week and I guess people just. like watching people hunt deer do you. enjoy it I watch I I watch him you know. every now and then I like you know. thinking like o I wish I saw that deer. and I was that close I'll shoot the [ __ ]. out of that deer I have to feel like. you'd learn a bunch of stuff eventually. watching it yeah you definitely learn.

stuff you learn stuff about wind and. placement and the trails they walk and. their behavior like how they you know. how they can kind of anticipate where. they're coming through and how to how to. pay attention to their trails and one of. them uh it was interesting uh it was uh. how to recognize the difference between. the dough trails and the the buck Trails. the dough Trails were going straight. across this like this uh riverbed area. where there was a lot of mud you could. see like these dos like large. populations of animals going this way. and he's like you see these animals that.

are crisscrossing those are those are. bucks right they're catching the scent. they're catching the scent of these. these I hadn't heard that oh really no. it's interesting that was so I don't. know I don't know a ton about white I. mean I grew up hunting white tails we. grew up hunting white tails not probably. using our heads as much as we might have. you. know well the one I guess you know we. got we got deer you know yeah the time. we went at Doug's Farm uh in Wisconsin. man there's so many [ __ ] deer they're. everywhere it's crazy and there you're.

not playing this is a distinction I. always make in hunting. is I try to find those places where. you're mostly thinking about animals and. not so much thinking about hunters well. you focused on that on your show too. though the difference like the one time. that you went and you were elk hunting. in Montana and you know you were on your. way after an elk and you see another. [ __ ] Hunter that's doing the same. thing m everywhere yeah so you spend. most of your time wondering about what. other guys are doing and trying to.

capitalize on that or trying to. anticipate the response of animals to. that pressure you know I so much rather. just be like in a one-on-one thing next. week we're going up to hunt Moose up in. the Brooks range you know and it's one. of the you know absolutely the most one. of the most remotest places the most. remote place in North America and um up. there it's like there's really no you. don't you don't have to factor in. effects of other individuals you're just. thinking about the animals which is fun.

and it's very rewarding but it's just. not what most people are up against like. when I was a kid and we were hunting. white tails we really planned on um. people you know it was very important. about where other guys were what other. guys hunting schedules was like you know. um there's certain guys we knew that you. know there there's a guy we knew that. would always say like if I see your. guys's truck. coming down the driveway to the farm I. always go over to such and such place.

because I know that the way you guys. move into your blinds you're likely to. bump a deer down such and such fence. line so this guy's thinking about deer. sure but he's thinking about it through. the context of of of human activities so. deer being scared by you you guys got. that blind down in that area and I know. every time you go in there you don't. realize it cuz you're a dumbass but when. you go in there you're bumping deer and. they're going down that fence line so if. I see your truck coming on going to run. over there wow that's interesting which. is the kind of thing and like elk when I.

lived in Montana we would made like our. opening day plan was. generally find out where elk are where. they've been for a couple weeks and so. that people will know they're there how. are they going to leave that area within. three minutes of legal shooting light an. opening day and what saddle are they. going to use when they pass out of that. Valley and you would pretty much Plan. that would be your thing is I know where. they're at I know that they're going to. get bumped probably before legal light.

and where are they going to go after. that I got a friend who has for the last. you know 20 years been killing elk. by he he knows the spot that elk move. into when they get. pressured and he knows that some people. can find these elk with spotting Scopes. and they'll find these elk on his. mountain side he knows that you there's. no way to approach his elk on his. mountain side without spooking him when. he sees the elk have moved into this. area he'll watch him with his spot and.

scope waiting to see someone else try to. climb up and put a move on these. elk when they start climbing up a when. he goes that guy sees him he's going to. go try to put a move on him he'll go. down and Ambush those elk three miles. away from there wow and he waits till. someone sees him because he knows where. they're going to go so cuz he knows the. path they always take when they get. scared and he calls it the laundry shoot. cuz he said they come spilling through. like laundry through a laundry shoot. he's been doing it for 20 years wow uh I.

really enjoyed that episode that you did. this year in Kentucky yeah that was Co. when you went elk hunting in Kentucky. because the situation is very it's very. unique in that they've reintroduced. successfully reintroduced elk into. Kentucky and instead of like what you're. looking at a western hunt where you look. at these Great Wide Open Spaces and. Timber and you can see them in the. distance instead you're looking at. incredibly dense like Southeast sort of. kind of forest where these elk are like. you were like kind of creeping up on. them and like it was hard for the camera.

guy to get a good view of some of these. elk like the elk you shot like there's. so many goddamn trees there oh yeah. you're just seeing little portions of. them it's funny cuz when that show in. the beginning of that show we're. standing there in you know pre-dawn. darkness and there's like the Eastern. forest or sort of like the cacophony of. noise in an Eastern Forest that you lack. in the West bug the biodiversity is so. much higher you know not on large. mammals but the biodiversity of just.

stuff that is that because of. moisture Pro I don't know quality of. soil moisture Pro yeah I I would guess. moisture as a huge part of it and. probably the for fertility of the. landscape like like the you know how. nutrient-rich the soil is at some base. level probably is what's at Play Because. specific Northwest doesn't have those. sounds and it's very moist yeah you're. right that's why I was confusing. I know guys that would be able to answer. that I I don't know I I know that for. instance I keep coming back you can tell.

I'm so excited about her hunt on Prince. Wills Island I know my brother who is an. ecologist up there um that that. elevation band where Prince of Wales. island is is sort of the the richest. marine. environment of anywhere really yeah so. that that like latitude ban is an. extremely rich marine environment there. as far as the fishing there must be. incredible yeah just I mean it's just. everything it's like you it's just a. buzz with life are we going to we going. to fish there where there we there too.

no no no if we get maybe there's a. possibility but probably not it's it. gets a little bit late like fishing. Peaks like July August is phenomenal it. just kind of hbit yeah but they hbit so. much better in July and August I mean. weird us up there for my brother's. bachelor party and did phenomenally well. on halit yeah Doug was sending me. pictures yeah we got some doozies. enormous some yeah some nice ones. they're like tables so. so in the beginning of that episode just. kind of standing there and um and and to.

hear that noise of the Eastern Forest. you know and then to have it be that. you're looking for Elk is so it just. feels weird for anyone famili with that. pulled up a clip pull up a clip so. people could hear it because it's pretty. cool it's you in the forest like on your. show where you were uh you were. explaining it and talking about it to. distinguish the smell of where elk used. to be the smell of where elk are are. right now the smell of elk right.

now seems to have like a warmth to it. it's hard to explain but you just kind. of get a sense you're like you'll smell. and you be like that's elk that's not. where elk words where elk. are here's a spot where game's been. beded little beds all over. here it's hot it just makes it oh B. right. yeah those things are cool looking it's.

like a ghost in the forest just shows up. there they are man it's so different so. enormous too so those things got wiped. out of that area by 1820 um you know. like Daniel. Boone there's right there used to cross. over to get down into the Kentucky. hunting grounds he would cross over to. Cumberland Gat which is very near there. and then he would go to you know what. was we call the Bluegrass Hills and that. was an more open environment and had a. lot of elk and people would hunt and he.

would hunt the Bluegrass Hills for Elk. they'd hun for deer and hunting for. black bear selling the meat and hides by. the. 1820 or thereabouts the elk is gone okay. the Buffalo got shot out um elk got shot. out deer remained black bears remained. mountain lions were shot out wolves were. shot out and then they were gone for. over 100 years and then when they they. did all that Mountaintop coal mining in. Kentucky and after the Reclamation.

process you know they had chop down in. the construction of these mines they. destroyed a lot of of hardwood forests. okay like deciduous hardwood forests. Hickory Beach Oak all kinds of stuff but. when they reclaimed it they left all. these flat Mountaintop areas that they. just did in in uh you know grasses and. other stabilizing vegetation not Timber. and it created sort of this open. Savannah like. environment. and people recognize it to be a good.

place to put elk and there wasn't a lot. of resistance if you went into an. agricultural area and decided you know. we got a great idea we're going to bring. in thousands of 7 800 PB herbivores and. cut them loose out here you would get a. ton of resistance but the area is rural. enough and in the reclaimed coal country. there just wasn't a a huge. interest in not putting them there so. now they've got the biggest elk kurd.

east of the Mississippi there's 10,000. plus elk running around in Kentucky but. even. still elk are are like 90% not recovered. you know I mean they were everywhere. they were everywhere and the weird thing. about it is we could have as many back. we could totally bring back way more. than we have now but you have a handful. of interests that that don't like that. auto insurers generally don't like it. agricultural interests don't like it but. it's one of those things that we could. fix like that in the Buffalo the only.

thing standing between us and restoring. Buffalo to more of their native range is. popular conception perception of you. know probably the perception of the. issue the only thing standing between us. and reintroducing Elk to more and more. to their native range is just selling it. to the public other problems we. have you know you look at something like. acidification of the oceans people are. like geez I have no idea I don't know. what there's no way right it's. impossible to fix this it's too. expensive whatever we don't know the.

science we don't understand the science. of it but some stuff like when it comes. to Bringing big animals back oftentimes. it's just a matter of do we want to or. not and in Kentucky there was enough. people that wanted to where they made it. happen and now it's a thriving herd. they're even using that herd they had. they pulled animals the Rocky Mountain. Elk Foundation spearheaded the thing and. provided much of the money and labor for. it they pulled animals from I can't. remember if it was 17 or 20 Source sites. moved them into Kentucky now KY is a. source site for other reintroduction so. they're pulling animals out of Kentucky.

now and using them to to to reintroduce. herds and other places where they were. exted from what other places are they. planting it now they got some going into. I know in Virginia they're bringing some. in um I'm not sure if they brought some. into North Carolina but you know North. Carolina had native herds was just an. amazing animal so the meat is so. incredibly healthy it's really like a a. a a breast a pound of chicken and a. pound of elk the elk will have less. cholesterol yeah it's healthier for you.

less fat more protein it's like the best. it's the best meat out there man as far. as eating like the the taste of it see. they still make there's no bad elk. they're just good even the big giant. ones yeah they're just good man my. brother killed one one time he had a. really hard it was just tough he hadn't. aged it but you need to you know you. need like a nice. facility to be able to consistently age. stuff because the if the weather's. against so you can't age it like where. you know no one's got most people don't. have a walk-in cooler where they can go. hang 400 500 lounds of meat you know and.

that is what an elk is so if you get one. and it's hot often times you got to get. it into a freezer and it'll age a little. bit in a freezer but anyways he killed. one flavor was great but it was just a. tough tough tough bulll to chew on just. a big muscular animal it just tough and. um it was funny cuz he uh he started the. the only vegetable he was interested in. eating I'm going to tell you this was. boiled cabbage. because like I only have so much muscle. power in my jaw and I can't waste any of.

my jaw muscle power on anything but. chewing my elk. up so he would eat boiled cabbage and. that elk his elk until he got done with. it until he ate all let me tell you a. funny story about this guy too like his. aversion to waste is a buddy of ours got. married one time. and and his. bride's neighbors were out of town for. during the wedding ceremonies the.

bride's neighbor says well I'll open my. house up if you got some out of town. guests who need a place to stay cuz I'm. on vacation anyways so they give this. house where it's just like for the. groomsmen to hang out and me and my. brothers were in the you know with the. groomsmen and some other guys and so we. get to stay in this house during our. stay he has occasion my brother Matt has. occasion to. peaking the guy's freezer and sees in. his freezer that he's got an elk he. killed four years ago it's dated from.

four years ago and he he has a moral. crisis where he's like is it worse to. steal or is it worse to allow such a. beautiful animal's flesh to go to waste. when this guy inevitably will declare. this freezer burned and throw it away. like if he was going to eat it he would. have ate it right years and years ago so. when we left he had a bunch of that in. his duffel bag and went home and ate it.

because he couldn't stomach the thought. of that animal going to waste like his. reverence for it is so high that he. can't have so he can't allow someone. else to to trifle with it how many years. is an animal good in a freezer I'm. telling you what man it depends on the. animal lean stuff like elk if you trim. away who Okay lean stuff like hooved. animals hooved hooved game animals if. you trim away the fat which we don't. call Fat we call Tallow it's waxy if you.

trim that stuff. away and you. either seal it with a vacuum sealer and. then don't mess with the bag like don't. poke any holes in the bag so that the. seal stays good and treat it very gently. so that the steal stays so that the seal. stays. intact or you wrap it in Saran. Wrap and then wrap it in wax freezer. paper you could not Pepsi challenge that. stuff if it was a year old against stuff. that was a month old what about two.

years three years I've done two two is. for me personally the longest out I've. gone is two I've heard of people going. more and at. two when you thought and you look at it. you can tell something happened to it. but you can trim it up and have it be. and I've served it old stuff like that. to my wife the only time it happens to. me is if I wind up having something get. kind of lost in my freezer if you don't. practice good freezer management like I. try to do what would be last in first. out right but now and then just.

something happens and you lose track or. something and you find some old thing. I've served stuff to my wife that was. two years old and she didn't flag it. while eating it you like use her in as. an experiment no just do it cuz I mean. she'll call me out she eats more Wild. game meat than most people that I mean. it's you know she's Wild game meat every. night that's all you have in your house. when we're at home yeah we just eat game. meat lately we've been eating salmon and. H which you can't really complain about. but you know she's eating tons of it. she'd. recently um I'm not allowed I'm trying.

to get this overturned but right now. there's a moratorium on bare meat in. your house yeah because you got tricken. nois yeah so her her and my kids she. said that you will not serve bare meat. to my kids oh wow because of you getting. that I got the work I got but you only. get that illness if you undercook it. it's like 150° right is that what it is. and I tried to explain that. so we this spring we hunted black bears.

we hunted black bears in the Alaska. range I took a guy hunting who you. should have on the show at some point a. guy named roor Denver and he's. a he's just leaving the service now but. he's a Navy SEAL commander and um he. wrote a book called danam f making the. modern seal Warrior and you remember a. few years ago that movie active Valor. came out and was all active duty seals. he's one of the stars in that movie and. um took him out bear hunting he grew up. fishing liked to fish a lot hadn't done.

any hunting but definitely grew up in. the outdoors and then you know obviously. over the last 13 14 years they've been. just he's been just consumed by training. and being deployed again and again and. again to you know Iraq and Afghanistan. so he hasn't like messed around outside. even though it was very important him. growing up he just like I say he's. leaving the service now I took him out. on a hunt and uh we went up Blackberry. hunting. and in the end we got on this big black. bear and called in with a predator call. and he killed the bear and we walked.

them it's a big boar you know it's like. a six and A2 foot boar and I said and. we're cutting it up and I'm saying to. him on camera I'm like I'm telling you. what man if a bear is going to have. trolis it's going to be him and what I'm. talking about was Montana used to do. free uh they used to do free testing for. trinis so you could send in a they asked. for specifically a golf ball-sized piece. of the tongue and you could send it into. the MSU and then MSU would send you the.

results on your bear the first bear I. ever sent in for. testing was from a 17-year-old black. bear whoa and that bear meat came back. positive besides steaks and roasts I had. 83 lounds of ground meat off that black. bear it was a big. bear so I send the thing in it comes. back and it's positive and once it's. positive you are excused from wantan and. waste laws so it's illegal to waste game. meat okay you they they spell out in.

great detail what you're obligated to. retain on an animal and use there's some. areas in Alaska for instance where you. know if you kill a moose you have to. bring the liver home it's specified like. legally you're obligated to salvage the. liver so they send a thing saying we're. not going to give you a new Bear Tag but. you're excus and if you want to discard. the meat you can discard the meat and I. was like there's no way I'm gonna do. that right the only thing worse to me. than getting trigonis was was throwing. away this bear meat so I just got a meat.

thermometer a nice one and ate the whole. bear I went on I never got another bear. tested and they told me I read this. thing was saying that of these they did. this study in Montana where these two. counties in Northwest Montana that have. really high bear populations it's. Lincoln County and Sanders County and. they said that they've never tested a. bear from those counties that was over. six years of age that didn't have trinis. so trigonis is just something like. you're not born with it right you can. you eat infected. meat.

and you cont trct you know the disease. or you know and then you wind up having. those little cysts the larvae in your. muscle tissue and it just pass along. through consumption it's the reason. you're supposed to cook pork to well. done and. now it's not really that way anymore. because they've gotten it out of. domestic pork so much because when they. when they stop feeding pigs restaurants. slop they really cut trickin nois out. because what they realize is when. they're feeding pigs restaurant slop. you're inadvertently giving them rats. and mice that are sort of caught up in.

the cycle of restaurant slop right and. rats and mice are big carriers so once. they got rid of then once they made it. illegal and they had like only the USDA. inspected pigs are feeding on controlled. sources not stuff from you know garbage. pales I used to wash dishes at the. summer camp when I was kids and every. day a pig farmer came and got all the. food scraps and he fed them and he was. selling inspected pork so you can't do. that now so now 90 some per of the black. bear cases or Sor so 90 some per of the. trinis cases in the US come from bare.

meat I'm explaining all this to. work and the next. day I I'm explaining another interesting. thing about Blackberry meat how there's. a lot of variability in Blackberry meat. some are great some are not so great so. I'm talking about when I kill a bear I'm. always really interested to get a taste. of it to see if we're dealing with if we. got gold or or bronze right and we start. a fire and it's raining and we start a. little fire and skewer up just some.

pieces just to sample it and it's. raining and we're feeding it the. firewood and everything's wet it's just. a pain in the ass trying to get it. cooked and eventually I kind of peel. this piece apart in my hands I'm like. yeah you know we're cool we're cool so. there's six of. us we eat it and I never think of. another thing about it right so the next. day we cooked some Shanks but we cook. the piss out of these Shanks like we. make asabuko bra Shanks and cook them. for five or six hours right we eat a. whole bunch of that eat some grailing.

eat some rainbow trout go home a month. goes by and I get the shit's real bad so. and it's like a weird kind of the shits. so I send a text message to the guys I. work with saying does anybody have like. a weird kind of the shits because I'm. worried that we got giardi or something. or crypto spidia from from water. contamination. and um one of the guys writes back and. he says no but man do I got like some. bizarre muscle aches you know now yeah.

well never mind that I'm worried about. my shits you know I'm not worried about. your problem so a couple days later I. remember I'm like crossing the street. and I'm like God that's a weird feeling. in my back you know and it just got. worse and worse and worse and I. eventually texted this guy and I'm like. what were you saying about muscle EGS. dude and a while that four of us all had. it and when we started putting it. together I was like we all have the same. weird thing intense muscle pain in our. calves intense muscle pain in our necks.

fevers and we haven't seen each other. for a month and we all got sick on July. five so it was like this isn't the. common cold so there's an incubation. period a month what happens is you eat. the only thing that can liberate those. larvae from their cysts is stomach acid. so when you consume the meat. your stomach acid dissolves the the. thing and liberates the larvae and you. got boys and girls in there and it takes.

them forever it takes them weeks they. build up their numbers you know they get. kicking ass then they get into your. bloodstream The larva do and then about. a month into it The larva start. burrowing out of your vascular system. and getting into your muscle tissue whoa. when they start setting up shop oh my. God. so the DDC gets involved in this um I. was now in Kings County okay they sent. me a thing recently where no one in.

Kings County has. had well like last year in the whole. country there's like 11 or 12 cases of. trickn nois in the whole country no one. in Kings County had it in four or five. years the last guy that had it um I. think a guy in I think a guy in 2007 or. 2011 I can't remember which where's. Kings County the Seattle area yeah he. had it from making homemade Mountain Li. Jerky like the only guy so they're all. excited and they want me to give him a.

piece of the meat and I give him a piece. of that meat they come in a car and I. like go down and hand I'm a shank off. this. bear and I told her I said if you eat. that cook it you know and um she tests. it n it back to me a while later and. that thing had. 868 larvae per. gram which is something like 460,000. larvae per pound oh my God there's these. blown up images of it and and it's just. like it's just larvae so the whole meat. is just infested infested with larva.

that bear must be in misery I don't know. what he's thinking but I but I'm fine. now. so out of the four of us to get sick I'm. I go down and they say like in severe. cases you know if it attacks your. pulmonary system if the larva attack. your heart there's you take a there's a. medication you take I said well I'm just. going to take the medication you know. and they're like well you know you might. not need to I said I want to go take it. I go down that medication is. $2,400 even with health insurance it's.

$1,100 to buy the medication so the. other guys are like well I'll just wait. and see what happens to you we all get. better at the same time and that. medication only kills them in your. stomach right so for 6 to 10 years. depending on your Source if you were to. eat. me undercooked you would contract trolis. wa so I don't know if that means I have. 868 larvae per gram I just have a hard. time fathoming that but we're all.

positive like we're positive. carriers wow so you right now have those. things in your muscle tissue that's my. understanding and I read a lot about. this as you can imagine like you get I. was very curious about I didn't know I. always thought when you got TR nois you. died kind of I didn't know I thought I. don't know what I thought I've been. writing about this in talking about this. on TV for 10 years telling people and by. the way make sure to but you know they.

say like familiarity breeds complacency. you know I thought it was contempt is. that what it is yeah no well then that's. my new. saying because I felt. like I don't know why I can sit here. right now and picture the piece of meat. that I'm sure got me sick wow so I don't. know what I was thinking man and my wife. my wife's like it's so embarrassing. she's like you're supposed to be like. the media I'm like I'm like you know. what though and I was embarrassed and. it's embarrassing right but at the same. time like you know what where do all the.

Mountaineers die they die in the. mountain you know so it's not like oh. you should be the last guy to die in the. mountain you claim to be this big. Mountaineer it's like well you know what. exposure I don't know you know living on. that's just my way of hiding the fact it. was like really stupid it was a stupid. thing to do and I one I remember doie. saying are you sure you want people to. know that this happened to you because. isn't it kind of embarrassing to you and. I'm like yeah it's embarrassing to me. but I'm just going to talk about it. cookie bear meat so she yeah my wife's. like no way we're just done with the. bear meat thing and my brother at my.

brother's wedding we're at his rehearsal. dinner we doing all wild game for his. rehearsal dinner so I had smoked up a. ham off this. bear that I'm going to serve at his. rehearsal dinner he says don't tell. anybody about the worm deal because. it'll turn them off to the whole damn. meal and I said well I got to I feel now. like I'll have to say this has been. cooked cooked but FYI I got TR nois from. eating this bear. uncooked and he thinks that he's just.

like I'd rather you not serve it than. serve it and bring it up whoa but I. think you should serve it and in the end. I decided not to serve it at his wedding. I would have eaten it as long as it's. cooked to 150° especially smoked I AR. people aren like that man people aren't. like that I smoked that ham from that. pig that we shot and uh I did it to. finish your in your your method with the. the brine oh my God it was some of the. best tasting meat I've ever had it was. unbelievable I'm telling you man and.

that son of a [ __ ] probably has I mean. not not probably but it a very good. chance he's got it they eat meat yeah. yeah it was so tender and delicious but. I've cooked a bunch of it just just put. it on the grill just seasoned it and put. it on the grill and it's uh amazing how. tough it is yeah it can be tough chew. through that [ __ ] but tastes you did you. get a grinder yeah I got a grinder yeah. I got a grinder for the venison after. Wisconsin Ken and I we made buckets of. hamburger meat that's good it's so good. and you can you can grind up that wild. pork too yeah I'd be curious just to.

take a piece of that wild pork and send. it in and see if if it has uh if it has. trinis or not do you want me to I'll. send it in I don't know I mean what is. that I don't know what would you do with. the information if you knew uh make sure. I did what I'm already doing I guess. exactly yeah I when I cooked it I cooked. it the smoked ham I cooked for like. [ __ ] 10 hours or something crazy it. took forever and you get it up to the. right temperature some people even. say like Harold McGee's science and lore.

of the kitchen or science and lower. cooking whatever it is it's a great it's. like the science of food and food. cooking and ingredients it's a. phenomenal reference book in there he. says it seems to be I think it was in. his book he says it seems that there's. evidence to suggest that. freezing kills it though the USDA still. sticks that guideline of of cooking. temperature but that like long freezing. kills it but couple years ago a couple. guys got trinis from walrus meat in. Alaska [ __ ] walrus yeah so Howard.

that son of a [ __ ] got it but he's the. walrus had it and they think that there. might. be that this worm is tricinella spirales. I think is his name I got pictures of. the thing on my phone what the worm. looks like so um that there's Northern. they think there might be some Northern. varieties in Walrus and polar bear that. are less susceptible to. freezing and that perhaps that that.

freezing is not to be relied on when. killing these worms that it's a. different Northern variety that's just. got more tolerance and again man this is. just something I read who the [ __ ] is. eating polar bear and walrus wow people. like walrus when I there's a guy you. know it's funny I've never had it but. I've been arranging to have some because. I drew um a musx tag for nvac Island. this winter and when you hunt nvac. Island if you draw that tag you have to. hire what's called a transporter because. the only place to land is a mikaru on.

nvac and it's a native Village okay it's. an Inuit or Eskimo Village and these. people like your transporter can't do. guide services like he can't tell you. where an animal is but he's like. provides Transportation so you rent snow. machines or however you getting around. and he'll give you a place to stay when. you're on the island it's called a. transporter The Transporter. that I'm using is a walrus Hunter so. they're protected by The Marine Mammal. protection act okay so like white guys.

don't go hunt walrus but. natives who. aren't administered by the Marine manual. protection act have their own. self-governing body called The Walrus. commission and I think the walrus. commission I can't remember it's meets. in Gnome or kabu and the walrus. commission will make decisions about. what walrus Harvest different coastal. Villages are allowed to have and out. there on nvac those Hunters out there. will periodically go and Hunt walrus and.

the guy I'm using as my transporter goes. on the walrus hunts so I've been. encouraging him to make sure to have. some that i' because I'd like to eat it. when I come out and I'd like to do a. thing about that and hang out with this. guy and eat walrus meat and he's going. to saydes he's going to make sure to. have some on hand and are W. walrus's like when when you you hunt a. walrus like you're allowed to eat the. meat but you're not allowed to hunt it. it so but you someone could give it to. you could you bring it back I don't know. about you can't bring the ivory back I. don't know about transporting the meat.

that's a good question but yeah I could. go into his home and I don't even know. the extent of it but I can go into his. home and he can serve me a meal just. like people might go up to gnome or. whatever and Sample muuk tuck from whale. you know yeah um but no I I don't I I. know I'm fairly certain that he could. not give me the ivory you know cuz. there's like the the ivory band so Ivory. has to have a cultural marking on it you. know you're supposed to turn into. artwork so a lot of times you know like. sea otters were nearly extrap pated and.

some places like regionally extrap by. the fur trade particularly when the. Russians were had a strong presence in. Alaska and now seot numbers are you know. really recovered in a lot of areas but. still for natives that are allowed to. trap sea ERS they can't just sell the. Pelt as a pelt they have to do something. to it to make it a cultural item at. which point they can exchange it for. money so if a native Hunter kills a. walrus he can do scrimshaw on that.

Tusk you know and and that puts that. Tusk in a different legal framework than. it would as raw what they call raw ivory. H that's fascinating so I know but yeah. he can serve me a piece of walor meat. but I don't know what I don't know what. laws govern me walking away with some I. have no idea now seals they eat seals as. well and they're allowed to hunt and eat. seals the the natives and the Inuits. again again it's self-governed I watched. Bourdain's show and he was with this.

innuit family and they were eating a. seal and they they butchered the whole. thing like yeah that was in Northern. Canada right what's what's there's like. an autonomous sort like an autonomous. Zone there the Name Escapes you right. now but yeah I know what you're talking. about and they were eating it raw yeah. and you're that doesn't have chosis I. have no idea or I don't know if people. were surprised to hear that walrus has. had trinis what does a walrus eat well. they eat a lot of you know clams crabs. they eat a lot of I just don't know. enough I don't know enough about how.

that thing got it I don't know enough. about whether what kind of sea animals. have that stuff I mean was he eating a. chunk of polar bear that he found Frozen. on I have no idea I would love to know. when I had Lyme disease I did tons of I. I could have gotten an honorary PhD in. Lyme disease after having lme disease. and then when I got osis I started. reading everything I could find about. osis but I just got better one day. that's wild I quit read I quit reading. about it just you just felt better went. away six seven days one of the guys that. had he was running 103.9 degree fever.

whoa for six days and they're checking. them for like Denay fever westnile virus. he had no idea to even bring this up one. of the dude's girlfriends is a doctor. and she says finally I think you boys. got. trinis I go to a doctor I'm like here's. what I think I got and they didn't know. they didn't know what the hell I was. talking about well you said 12 cases a. year in the entire country yeah they. never see it and there's four of you one. of them asked me how to spell it one. thought I was talking about a veneral. disease called Tri.

trasis but I eventually convinced them. man just like when I had lme disease I. walked around having to convince people. that I had that well Lyme disease is. really common though super common that's. that I don't understand but just depends. on what that per What that particular. I'll use the term What that particular. healthare provider has run into and you. go in and say like oh I'm not feeling so. hot you know and this and that I think I. got l disease it's just like not you. know I think if you're in Hudson Valley. New York you're going to walk in they're. going to be like hell yeah you got Lyme.

disease but in some places they're going. to be like ah you I don't know what you. got isn't it weird when you talk to some. do I mean there's doctors are dismissive. of things like real dismissive and then. it turns out that you were right that's. got to be infuriating isn't it so that. that's what I ran into and and I've told. the story a thousand times but when my. boy we got trick thank God he didn't get. trick nois he got Lyme disease he and I. got lime at the same time fishing. bluegills and he we're I was at my mom's. in Michigan my mom comes up she was.

swimming with the boy my mom lives on. the same Lake I grew up on and she was. swimming with the boy down on the lake. and she comes up and says why is his. belly button all red like this I'm like. I can't tell what happened there and it. turned into one of those Bullseye. rashes my wife I send my wife a text. image like text message picture of this. thing and my wife right away is like I. wonder if he's got l lime disease looks. like one of those bu Bullseye rashes. they talk about Lyme disease so she. tells me send it to his pediatrician cuz.

I had him at my moms you know she wasn't. there she's like send it to his. pediatrician I sent it to his. pediatrician be like we're worried about. what he's got lime she's like we just. keep an eye on it but you don't keep an. eye on those things those things just go. away like they don't last forever right. so all of a sudden then it's gone but. clearly he had it and so then we wind up. going down there cuz then he gets. another one somewhere else and we go. down we're like we're really concerned. he's got l because he gets this Bullseye. rash and they're like well where is it. I'm like well it's not there now but it. was there and he keeps talking about. this that and the other thing different.

symptoms he's. having we take him in three times each. time bringing up I fear that this is. what's going on with him when we pull. him out of the bathtub for whatever. reason in the hot water he's got these. damn circles all over him but they kind. of go away you know eventually he's got. Bell's Palsy he'd take a sip of milk and. his milk would around the corner of his. mouth you know and we go in they like. holy [ __ ] he's got Lyme disease and at. this point it's been going on for weeks. you know and what's funny is this place.

his pediatrician has a newsletter and. they had a newsletter article that was. about lime hysteria about how everyone. so hysterical about. lime being like don't really need to. worry about it you know everybody's. getting hysterical about lime like it's. the new bogey man you know so in this. altercation we have with the. pediatrician I'm like I feel that your. lime hysteria thinking and your lime. hysteria article kind of colored your. impression of what I'm telling you when.

I when we're coming you're telling you. we had to self- diagnose our child at. which point they said I want to have. someone else in the room during this. discussion you they they said that yeah. because we were pissed well you easily. could have sued the [ __ ] out of them if. you were so inclined oh yeah listen and. you I don't R around thinking that stuff. but I mean I I was like I entertained. all kinds of ideas if he didn't get. better but he he responded so quickly to. medication. the uh but it was unbelievable and. meanwhile I had all the same stuff and I. thought it was psychosomatic I went up. having to do the intravenous stuff you.

know doy he was real he was in the. hospital with lime menitis well when I. ran into you last time we went hunting. together you were really skinny and I. was like dude you look like you lost a. lot of weight and I lost a ton of weight. during all that he told me the whole. story about I was even trying to drink. like like milkshakes and stuff like I. was like down at GNC trying to like do. stuff and all that yeah I had the guy. some Wilderness athletes me like um I. was trying to anything I could do to put. on weight wow there was a that it. knocked my dick in the dirt bad man I.

bet I've heard nothing but horror. stories about people getting Lyme. disease nothing but horror stories it's. just it and then not only that your body. doesn't really ever get rid of it right. no it's unclear you know and if. you like the the medical the. established scholarly consensus on Lime. I think is still this that there's no. such thing as chronic lime that's what. they'll say is what when I say they I. mean like the the medical establishment. will say. that that chronic lyme doesn't exist. that there's Lyme disease and when you.

go through treatment like what I did the. the 28 day intravenous deal they put a. line that goes in your arm up to your. heart and you inject these syringes in. it like when you get done with that you. do not have those bacteria in your body. anymore if you go to a lime specialist. and you tell a lime specialist I have. chronic. lime I met one I tried to get in to to. see one of these lime Specialists and. she said categoric I don't see lime. chronic lime. patients I see acute lime patients and I. had already done one round of.

antibiotics and I got worse during the. round of oral and she's like oh you're. chronic lme meaning like oh it's all in. your head what so I go to another. infectious disease person I was talking. to them and they said well it's like it. just seems kind of it's a urban chronic. limes an urban legend my finding wound. up in some way bearing out what she said. would happen where I finished the stuff. I think I got done with it sometime in. September and by November my symptoms. were gone that's me my boy got better. but I've met I've since then met other. people who are very credible individuals.

you know who are not hysterical people. who've been through various rounds of. treatment and they're not getting. better the AR like the arthritic stuff. and lime's such a weird thing like with. my kid you can't argue with Belle's. poliy it's just right there but other. stuff like for folks who don't know what. that means it's paralysis facial. paralysis yeah I mean he had like bad. facial paralysis so you can't argue with. it right it's just like glaring and. that's one of the key that's one of the. the bullseye rash Bells paly but there's.

all these other things like uh arthritic. pain okay um fatigue they now think a. lot of people think that all the time. they were diagnosing chronic fatigue. syndrome was people with limes wow. people with Lyme disease my friend's dad. got it from the from getting vaccinated. they used to have a vaccination against. Lyme disease but the with it a small. percentage of people that got that. vaccination would have some genetic. marker that would make them predisposed. to getting [ __ ] Lyme disease from.

this vaccine so this guy was terrified. of getting Lyme disease gets a. vaccination against Lyme disease got. Lyme disease from the vaccination and. then they stopped making the Lyme. disease vaccination so this poor guy has. [ __ ] Lyme disease and he's still. [ __ ] up he's an old guy it's her dad. and he's you know he's jacked from this. [ __ ] vaccination I haven't checked. this from multiple sources I just heard. this or read this that um a couple. interesting facts about lime is when. when my son and I both got it I remember.

being like what are the odds because. you'd read that one or two% of ticks. carry lime so I'm like we would have had. to have been covered in hundreds of. ticks for both of us to have you know. statistically for both of us to have. gotten without even seeing any ticks. like how could this be I later read that. in that area in New York in that area in. Hudson Valley they've done some stuff. for 60 or 70% of the ticks have lime and. they used to Chronicle. 30,000 confirmed cases you know every.

year I think last summer they were close. to. 300,000 wow it's just blown up and it's. not so much that it's blown up in new. places it's just it's becoming like much. more common in other places and isn't. there a direct correlation between overp. population of deer and and these ticks. some people say that because it's like. in that thing's lifespan you know it. gets on deer but I've heard all things. that even just like rodents you know so. like like smaller fur animals I'm not. really clear on that man I don't really. know I know that that when you look at.

places that have it you're looking at. places that have a lot of deer but I. don't know if if you had a third as many. deer if you'd have higher lower if you'd. have necessarily lower infection rates I. can't answer that but Doug durran who. you know he I think last summer twice he. got put on the the immediate antibiotics. because right now when you find one of. those ticks buried in you if you going. to a doctor and if you're not weird. about medication the doctor's just going. to give you a super heavy dose of. antibiotics that kills it before it gets. a hold of you if you wait like I did it.

gets into your nervous system so I even. had uh I even had for a day I had. Amnesia where I'm sitting at my desk and. I get up to do something and I sit back. down and I didn't know who wrote what's. on my computer whoa I started I knew I. had to write about a subject cuz I knew. that before the Amnesia kick I lost a. whole day I lost like eight hours of. time and I knew that I was supposed to. write about a subject and here was a.

thing on my computer about that subject. I started taking. sentences and or first I took a big. block like a paragraph of text and put. it into. Google to try to find how I cut and. paste how I managed to cut and paste an. article on the subject I was supposed to. be writing about into a Word. document but there's no match then I had. to start taking like little blocks of. words in quotes and there's no match I'm.

like this is not from online then I. start thinking that one of the guys I. work with I thought this guy Jared. Andrew canis who was near there who. works at zpz I started thinking that he. somehow is playing some joke on me where. he came and wrote about what I was. supposed to write about on my desk I. also have a book one of my favorite. hunting books called hunt by Duncan. Gilchrist and on it I had written uh. Mark Borman Vortex Optics okay I look at. the book I know the book I know who Mark.

Borman is but I can't imagine why Mark. borman's name would be on a sticky note. on that book and I look at my other hand. and on my hand I have Lop written and. Lop is a term length of pull it's a. firearm. term and a guy wanted to length to pull. off a firearm and I wrote Lop on my hand. I looked at my hand I'm like I didn't. know who put that there how long it had. been there what it meant and I tried to. get home and couldn't get home you. couldn't figure out I got on the wrong. train got off at the wrong spot we were.

living in Brooklyn got off at the wrong. spot came up recognized a sport. recognized a like a sporting good like a. sports place called uh I can't remember. it doesn't matter what it's called like. a sporting goods place and um called my. wife and told her that's where I. was and then all of a sudden things. started making more and more and more. and more sense wow dude it was wild man. I thought I was dying I thought I was. dying we did uh an episode of that uh. Joe Rogan questions everything show on.

morgelin Morgellons is this disease that. most doctors dismiss they think that the. people that are saying they have this. that there's something wrong with them. psychologically that they have some sort. of a psychosomatic issue and that what. they're really doing is scratching. themselves until they create these. abscesses and and then sometimes even. putting things in their skin and then. claiming that these things have been. growing out of their skin because they. found like carpet fibers and stuff in. their skin that these people sent in uh.

but then um when we went to these uh. conferences where these people would. meet that have this more galons issue. you realized you're you're also talking. about some seriously educated people and. some of them that are doctors and one of. the doctors that we talked to said there. is a direct correlation between morgelin. disease and people who have Lyme disease. oh is that right and what he said is. very intelligent guy what isn't a Nutter. what he said is that he believes that. there's a neurotoxic effect uh that you. get from Lyme disease from some strains.

of Lyme disease because the way he said. was if you look at Lyme disease he goes. you're not looking at like if if a tick. infects you you're not looking at just. Lyme disease but it's possible you might. have gotten 10 different things man I. learned about a lot of that stuff yeah. and that one of those 10 different. things is causing this neurotoxic effect. that literally is making you go crazy so. when doctors are examining these people. and they say oh they're crazy they think. that carpet fibers are growing out of. their skin no they have lime disease and.

the Lyme disease along with all this. other [ __ ] is causing this neurotoxic. effect and that is what's making them. think that there's something wrong out. their skin so it's not that they're just. crazy is that they have a disease that's. making them go crazy and that was pretty. Illuminating cuz this guy was talking. about like seeing things like seeing. like worms underneath his skin of his. eyes when he's looking in the the mirror. and he goes and I knew it wasn't there. but I'm seeing it anyway and he goes I. could feel it moving across my eye but. then there was nothing there and he's. like and it was pretty clear to me as a.

doctor that there was something going on. with my mind that had a direct. correlation between this disease so all. these people that have this Mor galin. they also have this Lyme disease you. know I don't know if if Dan Dy told me. about this but he all of a sudden has. this excruciating neck pain and he goes. down to a emergency room this is same. time this is going on me he goes down. the emergency room it's like oh you got. like they gave him some muscle relaxers. or something he comes back home when it. gets worse and weirder he goes down to.

another place and they tell him the same. thing he got a pinch nerve and and we're. text messaging about I was like hey. what's going on you know how you feeling. and I remember that when I was finally. talking to a a person who knew about. lime they kept telling me to move my. neck and see if it hurt and I told D I. said you know what when I was down there. they kept asking me to move my head and. does my neck feel weird. go down to that place so he just leaves. his one doctor takes a cab down to this. place where I had gone and they admit.

him and he had menitis was spent I don't. know how you know four five six days in. the hospital wound up with the pick line. and menitis from lime menitis whoa cuz. in your in your you know like an. infections in your spinal fluid I have a. friend who died from that died from. menitis he went to the hospital went. into the emergency room and he was uh he. was a comic and he was he's one of he. was real busy he was like [ __ ] this. place they're making me wait too long. I'm leaving and he got out of there got. on a plane flew to Hawaii when he got to. Hawaii he was dying is that right by the.

time he got there it was too late I was. yeah I was scared because I remember but. there's I guess there's different forms. but anyway it's his they did a spinal. tap and you know he was all messed up. and Men andus is some scary [ __ ] fine. I've had some of the weird in the last. three or four. years I I've had just some of the. weirdest like freaky hell things but. they're parasites it's like almost. everything that You' had Gardia or. something I got a colon infection from. water and that was from the other show. right that was from like wild within no.

that was doing meat eater so I had I I. like I got really bad poison oak was on. steroids for that but also got some kind. of waterborne parasite and then the. steroids combat your ability to fight. infection I went up in the hospital went. up like [ __ ] in my own. couch my wife's like my wife's like. listen you know there's nothing now. she's like I felt bad about like having. you be there when I was having babies. she's like you got I got you got nothing. on me now that's hilarious [ __ ] your own.

couch. so I couldn't even tell when it was. happening you know wow I thought oh man. again I thought I was going to die so. anyways I just had like just the. weirdest. stuff keep I keep bringing up Dodie but. dod's like you need to go to a shaman. because he thinks that there's some. thing like I need to have like like. there's some sin committed against the. universe or something and it's like he. thinks I need to go to a shaman to get. right Dodie did too much DMT he did too. much DMT trust me you you can do too.

much you you got to be careful with the. [ __ ]. iasa yeah that's hilarious that whole. Shaman thing is is a real trip you know. the whole going to the jungle and taking. that medication and having these. spiritual experiences it'll get you. convinced that everything's all tied. together and that somehow or another. you've committed some sort of a sin. against the Universe I got I got to let. you talk to him I can't even I don't. want to speak for the boy I'm already. talked about him too much I think yeah. yeah no well doy and I had a long.

extensive conversation about his iasa. experiences yeah and I've never done. iasa but I've done DMT many times I did. it again recently did it last weekend. and the the DMT experien is it. essentially what IAS is is a orally. active version of DMT because the Amazon. Shaman and the people derived it's from. two different plants okay well I don't. know the first thing about this stuff. DMT is dimethyl tryptamine and it exists. in thousands of different plants and the. reason why you don't get it like you.

don't get high when you eat it is. because your stomach produces monoamine. oxidate so monoamine oxidates um what. you need to do is take an inhibitor so. that you could get it in an orally an. orally active form so most of the time. when most people get DMT what they're. getting is the synthesized version where. they've taken um scoto verius or all. these different plants they. extracted it down to the DMT and then. you smoke it um and what they do in the. Amazon is they is it regulated in the US. or not it's illegal schedule one the.

issue with schedule one with with it. being a drug though is that it exists in. so many different forms you would have. to make grass illegal like if you had. feris grass growing in your front lawn. you essentially have uh a schedule run. drug growing on your lawn in massive. quantities so it can't be enforced it's. a weird but but if they find the powder. if they find it synthesized and turned. into a powder that you could smoke and. free base then it's illegal and then. it's a schedule one drug but it exists.

in your own human neurochemistry it's. like making saliva illegal literally. that ridiculous um the Amazon Shaman. have figured out a way to take the vine. of one plant and the root and the uh. leaves of another and they boil them. together so essentially they use harine. which is a natural MAO inhibitor and. they combine it with this plant and they. boil it into this potion and that's what. iasa is so it's DMT and an MAO inhibitor. together in this Elixir you drink it and. you have what's close to the smoke DMT.

experience as you can get uh but not. quite as potent but it's not it's not. there's not a synthetic version of iasa. no no like it's all extracted from. plants like DMT is is not like they. don't produce it in Labs I think you can. produce it in a lab I think you can but. the precursors of it are very tightly. controlled by the DEA like you can't. like if they found out that you were. buying a certain amount of this chemical. that You' use to make the synthetic. version of it they would flag you gotta.

but the plants are legal so you could go. online there was a guy that got arrested. and they took all of his money and. locked him up in jail it was think I. think it was called Happy Frog or. something like that one of the the name. of his company I don't remember the name. of his company but he sold all these. legal plants but the plants were all. totally legal but he sold them with the. pretense that you could take these plans. and extract DMT from them and then he. was he was arrested for that because he. was putting aamb B together for you yeah.

well he was allowing you to find the. source to do it yourself yeah but even. though what he was selling was legal I. think he got off I'm kind of speaking. out of school here because it was a few. years back and I didn't totally pay too. much attention to it but it it is in so. many different sources and it's a. hallucinogenic yes it well it's a human. neurotransmitter and in an incredibly. potent drug that's also the most. transient drug ever exist or one of the. most transient drugs ever um observed so.

if you get like if say if you smoke DMT. like I I did it like I said last week. you're blasted to the center of the. universe for about 15 minutes and then. you're back to Baseline like you're. completely sober in 15 minutes CU your. body knows exactly what to do with it. yeah your body knows exactly what to do. with it because it's it's such a normal. part of your your Chemistry that your. your body can bring it back to Baseline. within. minutes it's weird it's the weirdest. [ __ ] ever and the weirdest aspect of it.

is while you're blown out like blown out. in this intense psychedelic State you. immediately think I'm here all the time. I've been here before I know I know what. this is it does it's not unfamiliar it's. completely alien but yet familiar at the. same time so Dodie in all those iwas. experiences that he had when he was. talking about all these flashbacks all. this craziness what happens is you open. up this it's a weird effect where if you. do DMT and you have these powerful. experiences you open up this door and I.

don't know what the chemical effect of. it is or what the mechanism is but. something happens when you open up that. door where you can open up that door. again even in a dream and so the. speculation is that what what what. happens when people have like near-death. experience es when people have alien. abduction experiences when people have. these crazy things they say happen to. them most likely what it is is some sort. of a weird and dogenous dump of DMT like.

you know something can happen to you. when you get this crazy adrenaline. rush they believe that it's possible. that something can happen to you and you. get a crazy DMT Rush that it's it's it's. very difficult to to access but that. it's a function of the brain and it's. causing you to for lack of a better word. is causing you to trip yes but you might. perceive it as a me. you could perceive it at well it feels. as real if not more real than reality. itself cuz it's intensely colored and. brightly lit and the the there's no.

borders to things but yet there are it's. very very very difficult to describe I'm. doing a terrible job of describing it. and all around you it's alive with. entities and these entities are. communicating with you both with sound. and with visual cues it's a very very. very weird trip like you think in in a. negative way or if you try to control it. they'll like literally shake their. finger you. go but then if you get it right it Cals. down like it's it's like a lesson in how.

to think it's a very very bizarre. bizarre trip the most bizarre at of all. the psychedelics by far the way I. describe it is mushrooms times a million. plus aliens yeah it's the mandala it's. the center of the the of the mandala of. all this is how McKenna described it the. mandala of all the different psychedelic. experiences the center of it the the. literally the the [ __ ] point zero The. Event Horizon of that is DMT so do you.

feel like uh to to to do it do you feel. like you're being recreational or. constructive constructive I try not to. do anything recreationally I smoke a. little weed recreationally have a drink. recreationally but I think psychedelic. experiences they're so beneficial I've. gotten so much benefit out of them that. I don't I don't like I feel like it'd be. it'd be a waste to not you mean like. personally or as a performer personally. personally yeah well as a performer you. know eventually personally first and as.

a performer I benefit from the the you. know whatever I get out of it personally. yeah yeah because oh yeah I mean all. tied together I'm with you but but you. don't you don't think of funny jokes or. something no they the people don't tell. you funny jokes you can put into your. act nope nope nope no it's all about. correcting your your [ __ ] it's. almost like all right you haven't been. here a while come on and we got to say. it's like going to the dentist you. haven't been a dentist in like 2 years. you're one of those [ __ ] guys like oh. sit down sit down sit down see what the. [ __ ] you got going on here oh you got. this why you thinking about this don't.

think about that this is stupid you're. wasting your time thinking it's like. they sort of explain to you the the. wasted paths that you're taking with. your thinking and your mind and then. even with your actions so how long the. how long do the 15 minutes feel like. well I did several in a day so I did uh. three three or four 15minute ones in a. row so uh you know like just blast off. come back to Bas line hit it again but.

would you be like man that was just 15. minutes or would you feel like you were. gone like days no it doesn't feel like. days it it it's it feels like it's when. you're in the state itself it almost. feels like time doesn't exist like. you're not see ex unless you think about. it too much like sometimes I thinking. about like I don't want this to end so. quick and then they like. stop thinking all this stupid [ __ ] like. you're wasting all your time it's like. imagine enjoying a great movie and being. like man this movie's going to end soon.

[ __ ] I know that feeling this movie's. only 10 minutes in and I know it's only. got an hour and 50 minutes to go [ __ ] I. wish it could go on forever that's a. wasted thought like why not just be in. the moment and enjoy it so it's you know. that that expression be in the moment is. like so over done and hippie and [ __ ]. yoga like so many people say things like. that it just makes you moan like oh we. shut the [ __ ] up because it's like it's. so cliche and annoying when they say I. know you're saying there's wisdom in it. unfortunately there just so many of.

these [ __ ] fake spiritual people that. clog up all these words and they ruin. some of these definitions because you. know oh just be in the moment find your. Center oh [ __ ] you okay I'm not. listening to your like I used to take. yoga from this guy that was a total. [ __ ] artist he was a good yoga. instructor but he was he was intoxic. ated by the fact that he was teaching. yoga and that all these people came to. him and his ego would feed off of this. this yoga class to the point where he. would say all these things and you would.

see people roll their eyes like my wife. used to hate him because he was so. cheesy and then he' like kind of hit on. the ladies that would be there and he. wanted up [ __ ] some dude's wife and. it was like a disaster left his wife and. she left her husband and now they're. miserable together was like he was like. a fake spiritual guy and these fake. spiritual people they had have this way. of ruining a lot of like really wise. Notions and one of them is they use it. using it as a tool well you know it's.

like or they're claiming to be. enlightened when really they're just a. student on the path and maybe they have. some good ideas along the way to. Enlightenment but they're not quite. there yeah you know there's a lot of. that man it's like a lot a lot of people. searching like this these new age type. people that are searching for some sort. of a meaning and if you find the wrong. Shaman you find the wrong Yogi you find. the wrong Guru you could go down a bad. path I mean the guy who's ah head of. beam yoga is got like all these rape.

allegations sexual assault allegations. he drives a [ __ ] Bentley everywhere. he's loaded he's got [ __ ] gold. crusted Rolexes and he's like clearly. not a spiritual enlightened guy but he's. the head of this whole beak movement. which is like filled with all these. pseudo spiritual people you know I was. sitting there one day reading a um a. book reading Al Sharpton's most recent. book why would you do that a long story. written in crayon no my.

agent U my literary. agent uh represented El Sharon did a. book with L Sharpton so I'm reading an. El Sharpton book and and I'm sitting. there and a and a guy is coming down the. road walking a. dog and he looks like a like he's like a. yachtsman you know the guy walking dog. is like clearly a yachtsman like that's. his world. and he comes up and says to me you know. I had a meeting with him one. time and he came up in a chafford.

car and he had a Rolex watch on and he. proceeded to tell me how he lives on a. $23,000 year salary it's like it's wow. it was I don't know how old that story. was I don't know how true that story was. but it was kind of like he was sort of. like pointing out the you know well. there was a guy once like a like a like. an apparent discrepancy there's a. massive discrepancy there was a guy once. that was on this radio show that I was. listening to that was um the head of a. corporation that was approached by Jesse.

Jackson because there was some something. had gone on something where there racial. insensitivity was you know was they were. been accused of something that was. racial racially insensitive so Jesse. Jackson came on and essentially the. pitch was you are going to hire my. company to give seminars on racial. sensitivity and it's going to cost you4. million dollars a year and if you do not. we are going to protest you we're going. to make it miserable we're going to cost.

you far more than it would than you. would spend to have my company come in. the Rainbow Coalition or whatever the. [ __ ] isn't that like isn't. thatal it's not illegal it is and it. isn't I mean it is illegal if you call. it extortion but what he is essentially. saying is it's within your best interest. to align your. it's an out of court settlement yeah. exactly an out of court settlement that. they profit from in an incredible way. but he had like all these crazy demands. like he wanted to have shrimp cocktail.

like like Jesse Jackson had all these. like very specific demands as far as the. the kind of food the amount of food that. he was to be given what what was. supposed to go on you know what kind of. car he was supposed to be picked up in. and you know you look at Reverend Jesse. Jackson he's he's a religious man or. where's he getting all this [ __ ]. money he is a wealthy wealthy guy and. he's Wealthy by being what they call a. race pimp and that's how this guy was. describing it he's like he's a race pimp. like this guy finds these scenarios.

where something goes wrong moves in and. then extracts money from the. situation I should send you my L. Sharpton book I won't read it you won't. read it there's a really good chapter. there's one really good chapter in that. book where he talks. about um how people's positions on. things evolve over the years. and I thought that was good then there's. a really horrible chapter where he talks. about how his role in. comforting Michael Jackson's family upon.

Michael Jackson's death where he was. he's he sort of presents himself as the. Great. [Laughter]. Hero know I I think I read you know my. agent was like you're the last guy in. the world I would expect to read a um a. Sharpton book but I told myself here's. the thing that's probably why I'm. reading it because all my life I've. heard about this guy I really don't. understand who he is or what he does. well he's to me it's just one of these. names you know it's like almost like. he's almost got a name like Peta yes. where people hear it and they roll their.

eyes do you know what I mean like it's. almost become like um he' cringe to hear. someone say this but it's almost become. like like he's almost the punchline yes. he is a punch line for so many people. you know so many pundits and. commentators you know yeah but I. realized I was kind of victim of that or. not victim of I was like uh doing that. right I couldn't tell you what the guy. did I couldn't tell you what he stood. for but you thought of him as a punch. line yeah I just knew that of him you. know well you know the toana Broly the. the case that got him famous yeah he he.

talks about that yeah which is hilarious. I mean he represented a woman who made. up a fake allegation of being raped by. white people and wrote things on her. body and it turns out none of it. happened she just made it all up and he. was demanding you know Justice and all. this crazy [ __ ] and he was you know on. every television show and all throughout. you know the the news cases and all this. different [ __ ] and it turned out that. what he was doing was just it was based. on nothing it was based on all lies it. was based the the entire scenario jet.

jetted him into the public eye it was a. fake scene yeah I can't tell you whether. I read that in this book or whether one. of the many people who saw me reading. the book and had to come up and give me. their two cents on the subject told me. that amazing that the guy became famous. for demanding Justice for something that. never took place but it's a perfect. ology where it's a perfect. representation of who he is I mean and. also how bizarre our sensitivities are. to race that this [ __ ] clown is on.

MSNBC or CNBC or whatever the [ __ ] is. giving his opinions on all these. different things and his opinions are. brutally dumb like his his way of commun. when he has to communicate when he has. to debate people who are intelligent or. have nuanced opinions on these subjects. like his his clear and obvious bias and. his his cookie cutter idea of racism in. America like racism is a real issue. without a doubt but having a guy like. that represent the black community. almost Fosters racism it's almost like.

if I was a racist and I wanted to make. sure that people had a negative opinion. of black people I would take the most. clownish cartoon versions of black. leaders and feature them prominently on. television in order to reinforce. reinforce these ideas of these. cartoonish figures being this is what. represents the black community isn't the. black community silly you know and. that's what happens instead of getting a. Neil degrass Tyson a Cornell West. instead of getting these super. intelligent very articulate people with. broad broad perspectives you get this.

goofball with a [ __ ] conked hair and. you know a stapled stomach and he's a. he's a goofball yeah and his many. thousand suits on television demanding. you know reparations for slavery it's. like come on man like this is it's. almost a setup it's almost like to. engineer racism. Jesse Jackson barely can speak English I. mean he's obviously an educated guy he. obviously is articulate but his if. you're a professional speaker which.

essentially he is his ability to. enunciate words is so sloppy and so. confusing it's like do you know how you. sound yeah like you almost sound like. you're doing this on purpose you know. when is when you talk like you you. listen to him talk it's almost like like. he's too lazy to say the words in a way. that everyone can understand them or he. like there's like a he likes the Cadence. of it in some way yeah they used to do. does Neil degrass Tyson ever speak on.

does he ever have you ever heard him. speak on Race talk about race I never. have heard him so I mean I only hear him. talk about what he talks about. professionally yeah he's talked about. some other science-based things not just. uh astrophysics I've I've heard him. speak on genetically modified foods and. some misconception people yeah yeah I've. I heard him speak on some other things. that people some misconceptions of you. know just sort of science-based stuff. but I haven't heard him speak on Race. he's an interesting guy he's a fun dude. man thing um the.

incomprehensible universe that series. it's an amazing series I think it's like. I think it's what it's called have you. seen the cosmos the the new version of. it I it's great it's great because it. also he made it very accessible this. version of the con like the the story of. uh girano Bruno I think that's his name. the guy who was burned at the stake for. suggesting that the universe is infinite. and that they were like what you [ __ ]. crazy [ __ ] we're going to light you on. fire unless you tell the unless you. repent that there's a brick wall there's. a brick wall out there there's a ceiling.

out there and behind it is a door and. gods out there you know and he he was. convinced that that wasn't the case but. he did the whole girano Bruno thing he. did it in animated form he made an. animation of it which is fantastic he. also made an animation form which you'll. be interested in showing how wolves. became dogs and over the course of human. civilization evolving how these wolves. who had become friendly with people had. eventually gotten to the point where the. people were feeding them and the Wolves.

stayed close and then those wolves had. slowly but surely morphed into dogs. that's on Cosmos yes yeah amazing. because it there's so much wild stuff. coming out of um did you see you you. know about those Russians that were. taking Fox taking foxes doing selective. breeding on them just how fast you can. change stuff man yeah yeah amazing you. can yeah I mean all you all you need to. do is look at what they've done with. dogs you know the the the time that. human beings have been I mean what is.

the established timeline for. agricultural civilization is what is it. 10,000 years something that 10 11,000. years anatomically modern here like you. pick your number but 100,000 yeah so in. that time which is a blink of an eye. you've made a [ __ ] poodle out of a. wolf yeah man you've made a Chihuahua. when when Americans first first passed. into North America there weren't like. breeds of dogs just like the dog they. had that's crazy you know they weren.

they didn't have like that's. 1400 1400 1500 no no no 15 probably some. I mean it's a hotly debated number but. sometime between like some four our. oldest sites are 14,000 years but people. think there hasby sites we haven't found. or we'll never find that are older maybe. 20,000 years but when like like say when. like Daniel Boone came across America oh. no they had breeds they had breeds oh. yeah when did they start having like. when is it EST I have no idea I have no.

idea so fascinating there's probably. like I'm sure there's great stuff. written about it but you know like they. had so when when the first Americans. migrated into North America they were. traveling. with a domestic version you know. something they had been domesticated for. quite some time a domestic version of. the Eurasian. wolf and then they came down and here. you had a number of wild canines you. know wolves which the animal they were.

traveling with could breed with Wolves. you now find that in certain cases. wolves and coyotes they don't they don't. I don't think. they always put off viable young but. they do think that there are. hybridization events between wolves and. coyotes so at some point these guys came. down with this euras wolf there was prob. almost certainly there had been some in. you know some in breeding with wolves. and then out of that. stock created Lord knows what all you.

know because by the time Lewis and Clark. like you know when Lewis and Clark were. out and they were eating dogs of plains. tribes they hadn't those dogs weren't. showing like there hadn't been dogs that. came from Europe from colonists hadn't. put dog blood into the dog blood and. they came and they had a dog that looked. like yeah what they call like like a. what they now call in Vietnam like a. meat dog like just like a mut dog you. know multi like with multiple colors on. them there was a recent thing um where.

they've done a genetic study on certain. um hybrids where they found a hybrid. that's part coyote part wolf and part. domestic dog is that right yeah is. really recent really recent that kind is. surprising because one of the things. people look at is uh why. are you know coyotes in the East are. just different bigger mhm you know they. feel that there's that that there was. hybridization events of wolves and. coyotes they gave you kind of like a. like a bigger coyot e and you have. smaller coyotes in the west yeah this is.

uh from The Washington. Post uh coyote wolf hybrids are prowling. Rock Creek Park in DC suburbs what the. [ __ ] man this is a yeah this is a coyote. wolf hybrid in the Washington DC. suburbs is that nuts Koi Koi wolves and. they've uh they've Rec recently um. established that wolves have returned to. California the first known wolf you know. within x amount of coming out of where.

I'll find out coming out is it is it. like uh the red wolves coming out of. Arizona New Mexico I I'll tell you right. now because it's a uh a totally um new. thing that they've proven. from yeah this it's a where they've. established. it um. the wolf's controversy rule return to. California it's on Popular Science. magazine uh popular opinion is divided. on how to manage the grey wolf so it's a. grey.

wolf 2011 a male grey wolf called O7. left his pack in Oregon and traversed. 1,200 miles to California where the sort. of travel isn't atypical for Grey Wolves. the terrain O7 covered set him apart. from the pack he became the first. confirmed wolf in California in almost a. century no kid yeah and so had he been. collared in Oregon he must have been. it's a good question it must have right. if they figured out where he is you know. a guy in Missouri one time killed one. outside of his chicken cou he thought.

was a coyote that thing had come from. Michigan's Upper Peninsula well there. was a guy crossed the Mississippi they. killed a a mountain lion in Connecticut. that turned out to be from South Dakota. yeah you hear about that [ __ ] thing. I'm telling you I like I don't mean to. say like I was on this story long ago. but you know my entire life this debate. about where L mountain lions that turn. up in the East or where wolves that turn. up in weird places my entire life has. been this battle between people who be.

like oh it's Escape pets it's Escape. pets you know and now it's becoming. clear in so many of these. cases it's not things just leave now and. then and they have a very clear sense of. purpose and they travel tremendous. distances yeah this is o s they actually. got a trail Camp photo of this thing in. California yeah and used every time. someone saw something like that people. be like oh you didn't see it or you saw. an escape pet and you'd think that like.

every household had a mountain lion pet. to account for all the lions the guys. would be like it was a damn lion like I. found where something that killed a deer. I went back the next day there's a lion. sitting there be like it's an Escape pet. this is pretty proficient you know and. it's my whole life has been going on and. now finally I mean the guys that have. been pushing for this forever finally. got to feel a lot better when now that. through tracking devices we're able to. go like yeah a wolf decided one day you. know to leave there and go down there's.

a Grizzly that one day decided to Mosey. out of the Rockies and made it out into. eastern Montana you know there's an elk. that did a many usually it's you know. usually these wide range imp Predators. they got Wolverines that I was just. reading the thing about they had a. Wolverine I back up a little this this. winds up being interesting they did a r. they're doing a radio collar studying. Alaska about a road they're thinking. about putting a road in into the Juno. area Okay so they've been doing a study. on animal movements in that area to try. to anticipate how this road might impact.

wildlife and then and then to just to. see about their migration patterns and. movement patterns they went in and. collared a bunch of stuff they had. a radio collared moose fall into a crass. in a. glacier and then a radiol bear. tried to go in there and get him out and. fell in and. died and I think that was then scavenged. by a radio colled.

Wolverine they also had a wolverine they. had a wolverine collar there get caught. by a Trapper 250 mies away in BC wow 250. miles it walked Wolverines are really. rare to find right they're rare to find. like I'm telling you that's one of the. last things. of large you know like North American. fauna that's one of the last things I'm. looking for you're looking for a. Wolverine I have not laid eyes on one my.

friends uh Banis saw one Caribou hunting. uh my brother Danny was hunting spring. Bears one time and saw Wolverines. digging through the debris field at the. base of an avalanche looking for. Critters that got swept up in the. Avalanche I got a handful of friends. that seen one I haven't seen one yet. those just Badgers and Wolverine. those types of animals are so bizarre. dude I was driving I was driving down. the hall Road the the trans Alaska. pipeline. Road and you know you're up like if you.

go if you're on that road like the pipe. the road that parallels the Alaska. pipeline Dalton Highway if you're on. that road and you. go west you're not going to you know you. depending on your line of travel you. won't hit another road till you're in. Europe you know and you're in Russia and. then you go the other direction you're. going to get way into Canada before you. hit a I mean you're out in the middle of. nowhere not in the middle of nowhere but. it's very remote relative to anything we. can comprehend down here driving on that. road one time.

um all out steps of links whoa okay and. it looks like it's like a cat with a. baby's face on it like a human baby's. face on it man and I'll steps the links. and like it's level just like to be to. have an amimo look at you like that and. it just utter lack lack of. comprehension like I can't say this for. sure but more than other animals you. feel that he had never seen that before. never seen a person it's just like.

usually like you'll see an animal he. cuts out on the road right and he sees a. car and he gets that like oh [ __ ] you. know this ain't good you know based on. whatever experiences he's had or. responses that he's witness from his. mother okay or like some sort of like. they kind of get tense they're they're. gauging risk but just this thing steps. in the road and just looks kind of like. like this look on his face and I'm. anthropomorphizing here but look on his. face is like no what in the hell is. that followed by utter lack of interest.

and just like left he's like he looked I. don't know what that is I can't see this. bringing anything good to me and then. wandered off and it was one of the weird. like that's the only one I've seen look. at that thing they don't even look real. no man I'm telling you what freaky they. are so tall. like how tall this this thing is like. this High man so like two feet high just. yeah leggy though huge feet just a weird. look you know they're like Snowshoe hair. Specialists man they like to hunt.

Snowshoe hair so it has big feet so they. can get through the snow the snow quiet. Hunters yeah they're Snowshoe hair. specialist Cameron hannes was telling me. about bears that um come out of. hibernation and as they come out of. hibernation is the same time where the. Moose are stuck in this snow and that. it's just W sloppy snow so the moose are. like plotting and these bearss come out. and they haven't eaten anything in. months cuz they just been hyting but. they see these moose and they can't help. but kill them so they just go on these.

Rampages killing every moose they find. and just leaving their carcasses because. they can't really handle meat yet yeah. know I got they but they they like to. have the opportunity at it well they. just their instincts they just cuz when. they come when they do come out you know. they'll come out and eat grass for a. while eat vegetation but they do spend a. lot of time um following that they spend. a lot of time looking for you know what. we call Winter kill um just Scavenging. you know carcasses they can find and. then they Hammer Hammer fawns and that's.

something people used to not realize. about black bears is the high rates of. like Fawn mortality you get from black. bears on elk moose deer you know they. they don't like it doesn't seem like. they really go after the adults like. healthy adults under normal. circumstances but they really find out. that black bears just turn up and hit. Cales and fawns in the way that no one. ever thought before they smell that. placenta it's like we used to have this. idea of them as being kind of like the. Kindler gentler bear you know but. they're they know these spots they turn.

up in these spots before things turn up. there to drop fawns you know the second. Mountain line or third Mountain line I. ever saw I saw cutting through a bunch. of elk Cavs in a cing area you can just. imagine how much the thing like that can. clean house yeah God damn when we were. bear hunting I got to watch bears fight. we watched a [ __ ] No Holds Barred. brawl between this female bear with. their two Cubs male who had come into. the bait they would she [ __ ] went to.

war man the Bears the babies climbed up. the trees they were way the [ __ ] up the. trees like to the point where we were. worried one of them got real squirly he. was like kind of like upside down on the. tree like he was way up there they're. really young and uh the adults can't. climb cuz they get tooo heavy yeah and. this big male had come in and it was a. big female and first the babies ran up. the tree and the female took off she. left and then she was she just thought. about it she you know what [ __ ] that and.

she turned around and attacked him. turned around and challenged him and. they both went up on their back legs and. they were just going at it. just and we were sitting there on the. ground cuz Cameron's [ __ ] nuts he. likes to hunt on the ground he looks a. bow hunt no tree stand so we're just. there like a a tree that's fallen and. we're set up behind this tree and we're. watching these [ __ ] you know 6 sft. brown bears go on a war right in front. of us I mean no more than 30 40 yards. away they were duking out yeah you got.

to be wondering like in the middle of. this fight all a sudden he comes rolling. over and there's your ass sitting there. yeah well I was knocked up man I had an. arrow knocked and you know but I've. remember being I've like such a little. kid one of my earliest memories not. earliest memories but I being a little. kid and my dad got a phone call one. night that one of his Hunting Buddies. had was sitting on a bear bait with his. boat. and a s came in with Cubs and smelled. them and shed her Cubs up a tree but. they went up past him in the tree and.

then they started squealing and balling. up there and she came up and mled his. legs whoa yeah he yeah he went up in the. hospital [ __ ] so she was small enough. that she could make it up the tree she. got up well she's up enough to get at. his boots yeah but I mean they you know. I mean most I don't know. I I've heard that that some blackbears. get too big to climb I don't know I mean. they can climb pretty good I mean and I. don't know to to what extent but I mean. your typical bear is your typical black. bear can get itself up a tree she went.

up a tree the one that we saw she went. up a tree a little bit but only like. maybe five or six feet where her kids. went like [ __ ] they were 50 feet up I'm. sure it depends a lot on the. circumference of the tree and whatnot. but for sure yeah but Grizzlies don't I. mean they when they're young but when. they get older they can't get up that. tree yeah that's what they were saying. they cuz they had tree stands there but. he likes to hunt on the ground but he. said if you see a Grizzly then we go up. the tree stand for sure yeah yeah. there's a bunch right there it was kind. of like that that's cute but it was. crazy to watch them duke it out like.

right there in front of us I mean it was. W it went on for a while and then he. would come back and she would chase him. off again and then finally he gave up. but then uh as it got darker she took. off and then a bunch of bears came in. and when it's dark that's when it's. really crazy Alberta's flooded with. bears man they said that between. depending on who you ask between three. and eight per acre and they're dealing. with 8,000 AC no not acre per square. mile be super high per square mile.

that's what I meant and they're dealing. with 8,000 square miles so he said. there's just bears everywhere and so the. first time I got there you know we we. sat down and we waited I'm like where. are all these [ __ ] Bears you know if. there's so many bears like you think you. would see one and then when you see one. and then you see another and you don't. hear them that's what's crazy cuz the. ground is thick with Le and P needles. and stuff so literally all a bear a bear. like he's there looking at you you know. from 70 80 feet away you know just you. didn't even see him coming all a sudden.

he appears cuz it's so dense you there's. so many trees up there I was calling. turkeys one time and had a bear come. behind me um you know like Predators. when you're making when you're calling. turkeys into spring you're making hen. noises to track males um track the Toms. but Predators will come to that noise. noise. and uh I had a bear come in behind me. that I never heard until I heard it. breathe it sounded like a dude and.

you're on the ground sitting I'm sitting. on the ground and I. hear I mean this thing was I mean right. there like I heard it breathe over my. shoulder how many feet yeah like from I. don't know five six feet I'm just there. but I when I turned I was scared but. that was more scared when I turned he. like turned himself inside out man just. took off oh yeah it was amazing wow you. know what funny we're talking about like. bears climbing trees black bears and. grizly beares um I wrote about this at.

some point but we my brother and I were. laying on this Ridge one time hunting. elk and like during the midday when it's. warm like nothing happens you know. they'll just go sleep somewhere and wait. for the Elk to come back out cuz they go. into black Timber Just to feed to bed. down so there's really no sense and. there's nothing you can do you just. sleep and at one point I wake up cuz I. hear a no noise and I wake up and. there's a black bear standing there and. he goes off down this Ridge line and U. I'm sorry just goes down off the ridge. down toward the valley floor that night. we headed out to go hunt uh we headed.

out to go hunt elk and we happened to go. in the direction that the beared. went and my brother still had a bear tag. I had filled my bear tag but he still. had a bear tag and as we're walking I. hear the noise of its claws on the bark. like a real loud you know like bark. marks fa and Scratchy noise you imagine. like what a cat would sound like or. something scratching up. something I'm like that must be that. black bear so we go hauling ass up the.

tree thinking that we'll maybe get the. bear up the tree and be able to check it. out but you run up there it's not a. black bear it's a s Grizzly standing. there and she's got two Cubs that are. about four or five feet up this tree and. she's standing there at the base of the. tree and she woofs at us like a dog like. a wof barking you know and those cubs. come down the tree and we're just. standing right there man it's like you. can't you can never say it was close to. getting scratched unless you got. scratched because you don't know what's. in the animal's head but like reviewing.

it in my head that was one of that was. like a very sketchy moment you know as. that bear is kind of like cuz it's like. the last thing you're supposed to do. right is like mess with their cubs and. here we are just running up on there and. when she got those Cubs down out the. tree and they started going up the hill. away from us she was taking her. paw and moving the Cubs with her. paw wow pushing them ahead of her wow. like the same way like you know you're. like trying to get your kids to go where. you want your put your hand your like. got your hand on their head or some.

trying to guide them you know yeah she's. like get going get going wow that was. wild man but she could have spun around. and just scratched us well they say. that's the big reason why a lot of. people hikers get attacked right it's a. female with their cut just coming across. something yeah like I I just this blew. my mind I just read that not a single. boat bow hunter has been killed by a. grizzly bear you know while bow hunting. even though bow hunters get scratched up. all the time like every year there's. some guy getting scratched up not a. single bow hunter has been killed by a. grizly bear in at least 20 years wow you.

know and last year there was like three. grizzly bear fatalities in Montana. Wyoming well that was one of the things. you saw on that hunt show was how. difficult it is to bow hunt for. Grizzlies because they first of all the. Kodiak Island was very windy like these. guys were like they were taking shots. and the arrow would just just take off. and miss the windy and yeah it's just. miserable and wet you got to get so. close with the B man that's the thing be. it's one thing like be in a stand and. waiting for a white tail to walk.

underneath you but to creep up on a. [ __ ] giant 9- foot bear that's. outside you got to get within 30 40. yards of this thing to get an accurate. shot on it and it's windy and everything. there but now in that show when they're. doing that this happens a lot but I know. that like shows. don't show it and outdoor writers don't. write about it but often times very. often I I can't say it's the majority of. time but like a very common practice.

when a guy's bow hunting brown bears is. the minute that Arrow makes contact with. that bear the guides lien it up with. like a 375 H and H so they shoot it with. a gun right after the minute that Arrow. hits yeah that's probably smart I mean I. saw that on a show it was a a bow. hunting show where this guy shot a. [ __ ] elephant with a bow and the. Elephant turned and he like [ __ ] you and. the Elephant starts running him and boom. they shot him in the head with a rifle.

and like he's going to call that I. hunted an elephant with a bow like the. [ __ ] you did all you did was piss an. elephant off and it charged you and. these guides shot the elephant in the. head they killed the elephant yeah I'm. not I'm not diminishing the balls it. takes to get in there like I watch a. thing like you know I watch thing where. uh Tom Miranda you know kills like a big. Grizzly with his bow and by no I mean by. any means like he it was like he got a. great hit on that bear that bear ran and. fell over I'm not saying that's what I'm.

saying you hear about it so often you. talk to guides so often and they even do. with rifles right you know even a guy. hits it with a rifle he's going to start. pumping lead yeah cuz it's so hard to. Anchor them and then they go in those. Alders and you don't want to lose. them take the initial shot they consider. you shot that bear and then everybody. else SHO you know whoever can can do a. follow I really didn't like watching. them shoot the elephant there's. something to me about shooting some. animals where it's like I don't get it. like why I don't know why you would.

travel all the way to Africa to shoot an. elephant with a bow while these people. behind you rifle it and you're calling. that bow hunting I wouldn't shoot a I. don't I couldn't shoot an elephant just. because I don't like I don't I didn't I. don't have like a a context with the. animal a cultural context do you know. what I'm saying like with North American. animal. I find that generally when I go hunt. something I like to have have experience. with it and understand sort of you know. understand it and it would for for. African hunting for me to like enjoy.

hunt Africa I would probably want to go. there just to have a look. around and be there right and then maybe. go again just for me personally then go. again and I might enjoy hunting more. once I sort of felt like I understood. the animals you know or I understood. like more about the biology and sort of. like I just understood the area better. it would make me feel more like like a. like a like to what I want to have in a. in a predator prey relationship we're. going down to film this year uh we're.

going down to Bolivia and we'll go out. hunting with Amar Indians or go along on. a hunt with Amar Indians and um you know. they they go out and do meat hunts for. Kappy Bara Paca they bow fish for fish a. lot one of the things they like to hunt. is they like to hunt spider monkeys you. know and I've always vowed like I'll. never eat a monkey you know I used to. always say that I'll never eat a monkey. but now I'm GNA be down there and these. guys you know presumably they're going. to get a monkey they're going to cook it.

and you going to try it I can't decide. man yeah I'm not into eating primates I. I just feel. like you know I can't decide what I'll. do when I'm sitting there I have to be. do I ate dogs and didn't like it at all. well you ate a Kyo which is crazy that. bother me like that didn't bother me in. like an emotional way but I'm saying I. tripped out emotionally about eating a. dog right so I can't imagine what I. might. suffer to be chewing up a. primate I'm not and it's just like I.

remember reading one time and this kind. of I was just explain this to my brother. the other day when I was talking about. this is conundrum I'm in where I was. reading about a guy who was descri he. was describing a hunt for. monkeys and a dude hit a and he he was. just observing he was. observing South you know South American. tribal hunters or Amar Indians he's. observing them hunting monkeys and a. monkey got shot in the. back and a monkey with a dart and the. monkey reached around and grabbed the. dart whoa so.

it's that image that image is so burned. in my head that I think like I don't. know what I'll do man I'll be curious. I'll be curious if the guys I work with. if they want to eat the monkey or not. yeah but there's so many weird things. that you go like this though these guys. are indigenous Hunters okay they hunt. they they make own bows they live in the. jungle like any kind of thing like if. you went out and surveyed a 100. Americans 100 would say like by all. means if anyone can justify hunting to. be these boys right um they're going to.

be they're hunting whether you're with. him or not so it's kind of like you look. at well monkey's dead now you know yeah. I guess I could see that I what I. couldn't see is going there with a. purpose to go shoot a monkey I guess if. I was there experiencing what it is like. for them and also if they offered me a. like it was part of like you're you're. taking into their home and they're. cooking you a meal and they ask you you. know they serve you what they eat maybe. then I would eat it there's no way i'.

Sho there's no way I'd shoot a monkey. yeah and by saying that I don't think. that one shouldn't be allowed and. whatever you know it just depends on the. the consensus of biologists in whatever. area whether it can warrant it or not. but no I wouldn't it just like I. couldn't yeah I couldn't either but I. know that they have issues with B Boons. and people dude in Africa I it's just. like I guess I I can't get it but in. Africa you get the sense that people. view like baboons almost like how you.

might like uh I hate to say it almost. like you might look at like raccoons and. AP possums that are getting into your. dumpster yes but they they'll kill a. baby they'll kill a human baby stolen. human bab I don't know the first thing. about yeah Cameron Haynes who just got. back from Africa he shot a [ __ ]. baboon over there shot a baboon with a. bow and arrow I'm like why would you. shoot a baboon and he's like they. actually encourage you to shoot as many. baboons as possible because they're. overpopulated and they're really. dangerous a friend told me man do uh do. the guys in Africa eat the baboons no.

they don't eat the baboons and they. don't eat the hyenas they don't like the. hyenas no they kill them they kill them. whenever they can because they're so. overpopulated but they don't eat them. but he ate a kudu he shot a kudu over. there and ate that he said it was. amazing yeah he said K kudu is like. similar I guess in a lot of ways to deer. elk and uh the way it tastes word. overpopulated is such a weird word and. it's such an abused word whenever I hear. that I always get be like according to. whose perspective because again and. again we're told like deer overpopulated. like yeah I mean from the perspective of.

some agricultural interests deer. overpopulated from the perspective of. Auto insurers you know deer. overpopulated from the perspective of. Lyme disease activists you know deer. overpopulate From perspective of a dude. who likes to eat a lot of deer you might. be like now's the good old days man you. know what I mean like this is perfect if. I lived in some areas uh there's some. areas of Western Massachusetts that are. so flooded with deer I would definitely. have one of those crazy bumpers on my. truck you know they have those crazy big.

steel bumpers yeah well they make them. specifically for deer too with stand a. deer hit yeah there was one of them that. they uh we we pulling up photos of the. other day of 18 wheelers that they have. these giant ones they put over the front. of their trucks because deer you know. are so common in in a lot of these areas. where they're transporting stuff and. they had one where this deer it just it. had hit it and the the guard did its job. but the [ __ ] entire truck was just. painted with blood you know cuz it 65. miles hour and you hit an animal it's. basically a bag of blood it Vapor it.

vaporizes in such a disturbing way I. recently wrote a thing about this on the. on the mediator show website where I was. talking about these recent controversies. where someone will go and kill a African. animal you know K like a lion post a. picture great by the way tell people. where they can get that because I loved. your perspective on it and I loved one. of the things you pointed out about. you're seeing all these things where. people are getting pissed off these. pretty girls that are going over there. and shooting these animals and a lot of. it is sexism oh yeah man it P for a girl.

to go to African hunt pisses off people. way more than for a dude to and also for. a wealthy person hunt in Africa pisses. off way more people than a middle class. person hunting in Africa which is just. weird like you know it's so beyond the. biology it's just like. weird you know sexual stuff it's weird. Envy class Envy mhm however you want to. think like whatever you want to. determine about the legitimacy of. hunting in Africa really have nothing to. do with the gender of of the hunter yeah.

but this this thing like one point I try. to make in that thing that I wrote you. could you could find it if you just go. you could probably even type in like uh. Steven renella African hunting. controversy or go to to the meater.com. you'll find the article but but the. point I make is when people look at. at someone posing with an African animal. like a lion they they I think people. look at and they feel like they see a. dead movie. star because they don't know like all.

you know of that animal is sort of. wildlife documentaries and then cartoon. versions and The Lion King it's like you. feel like you're looking at that but in. America we drive down the road and we. see just like. contorted p pulverized deer carcasses. yeah you can't escape it yes yeah and so. I feel like it's never going to be as. offensive you know when someone sees a. dead deer it's not as shocking to them.

as be like it's the animal from the. movies right and they killed it yeah. that anthropomorphizing of an animal is. a real issue when it comes really feels. to people more like I I remember a. friend of mine who worked in the. environmental movement or I shouldn't. say that because that she was a. conservationist okay so she worked in. the conservation movement and she was. laed about. um half jokingly about charismatic megap. so that so much mental energy of. Americans gets tied up in the.

preservation of charismatic megap and. those things become such money. SNS that we. miss opportunities to understand like. this vast Suite of other creatures out. there that doesn't make it onto. calendars and she was if I remember I. think she was speaking um of the amount. of research dollar and dollars and. public interest and things that go into. wolves like understanding wolves you. know and there's all the other animals.

that she count as like non-charismatic. megaphon you just can't get. someone to like care about them yeah you. know and I think that's that's one as. far as conservation goes I think that's. one thing that that conservation. organizations that are based off of. specific animals will always tell you is. that they're looking at like like Apex. or. Keystone Cornerstone species so like a. group like the national Wild Turkey. Federation or the Rocky Mountain Elk. Foundation they'll point out they'll be. like yeah this is about elk we have elk.

on our symbol you might think that we. fetishize elk but I can tell you this. what's good for Elk is good for. everybody yeah you know it's one of the. most demanding like least tolerant. things and so if you preserve elk. wintering habitat you're also at the. same time preserving the habitats of so. many other species and you might not say. the same thing about if you went and. preserved the habitat of you. know some animal with a more restricted. home range or something it might not. blossom outward to offer protection for.

all these other things so that's one way. in which like the charismatic megaphon. thing winds up playing out is people go. like yeah but by helping him I'm helping. everybody I'd like to have something on. for my calender people have that. aversion to uh trophy hunting that's one. of the other things that that drives. people nuts about Africa is that people. are going over there for blood lust. they're going over there just to kill. they want to stuff it and put on their. wall this beautiful animal that should. just be observed and appreciated for. what it is. yeah I that's something I struggled with.

earlier I made a ter about something. being like a like like a semantics thing. because if you go and hunt and you keep. something like you have uh right here in. your studio you have a a deer antler you. got like a deer skull right by really. any definition you'd say like you'd be. like well that's a hunting trophy you. know does that make you then a hunting. TR Like A Trophy Hunter even though you. ate the deer to be a non- Trophy Hunter. would that mean that you should have. thrown that deer head in the garbage in.

order to be more Pier or is it more Pier. that you'd have that you'd maintain that. emblem and pay respect to the animal and. perpetuity by having its head here so. it's like you kept a trophy you kept the. meat and kept the trophy but when people. hear Trophy Hunter I think what the what. that means in our culture is that. someone just hunts for that purpose like. he just wants to go kill that thing and. this comeing from guys never hunted in. Africa but so much of the controversy. about Africa is that people are going. there and killing animals just for the.

head and bringing them home in that way. you're probably trivializing the. experience but you're also not really. looking at the broad picture of how game. gets managed there and the importance. that the commodification of wildlife. plays in Africa where here we have. public owned publicly owned Wildlife you. know so and we have a really strident. system where stringent system where we. can protect legally protect stuff but in. Africa there's a great argument to be.

made for if it wasn't for the value of. those animals to westerners if it wasn't. for the hunting industry those animals. wouldn't be in those places where they. are yeah to have those animals there's. way too many forces and factors that. would have led to those being like. ravaged ecosystems. from hunting from people I mean hunting. from people who are starving or who are. wanting to graze Livestock in those. areas and the fact that you bring in a. currency and you monetize them enables.

people to preserve these large tracks of. land and have animals on there so you. can look at like what is Joe blow's. motivation Joe blow's motivation might. be he thinks it'd be sweet to have a. zebra hiide on his floor and you can. condemn Joe Blow for thinking that but. you really to be fair you have to look. at the impact that that money that he. spent to get it has on the broader. economy and on the wildlife politics of.

that place so it's way more complicated. than what anyone individual's. motivations were you know and it's just. I just CAU people and I and I I'll tell. you what I've had my share of looking at. pictures of guys hunting in Africa and. being like dude you just went out and. paid someone he show that's and you're. like well that's what one of those is. and shot it I've felt that a thousand. times looking at those pictures but it's. one of those things that the more I've. learned about it and spoke to people. who've gone there and and read about it.

the more I've come to admit that you. know what what's going on in Africa is. vastly more complicated than what you're. going to get from reading about internet. controversies of people posting pictures. you really need to study up on that. stuff before you condemn it because I. think you'll be you'll be kind of. shocked by some of the stuff you learned. if anybody's interested in it further. we're just about out of time but Louis. thoro has a documentary THU how do you. say his name THU th Louis THU has a. documentary about uh African hunting. camps where kind of goes into great. detail with these guys that run these.

camps about how these animals they they. essentially wouldn't be there if it. wasn't they would be extinct we we we're. out of time right okay um all right dude. uh your book you got that the Buffalo. book's published oh no you know my first. book. um which never had a chance in the real. world scavengers guide to O cuisine it. came out a long time ago but I got the. rights to it back right and I published. it digitally as a scavengers. guide um I hope people go read it it. never got read when it came out like not. like my other books did man and I and.

like I said they just gave me my rights. back how can they get it how can someone. get it oh it's on every place you can. buy digital books okay we'll put Amazon. everywhere we'll put a link up to it uh. after the show and I also put a link up. to the Daniel Boone thing that you did. the animated. thing that was just up uh dude time flew. it's over hey thank you for having me. out anytime man anytime wish you live. closer we do it all the time well you. are kind of closer now and we're gonna. be real close when we're sharing the. same. tent pretty close all right folks uh. thanks to our sponsor thanks to Blue.

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