Joe Rogan Experience #534 - Robin Black

hello ladies and. gentlemen and everybody else what up. [ __ ] this episode is brought to you. by Legal Zoom Legal Zoom is uh a pretty. awesome service and what it is is a. website essentially a self-help website. that allows you to do a lot of the. things that you would ordinarily have to. go to an attorney's office to handle you. can do it yourself online they will de.

they were developed by top attorneys to. provide self-help services at your. specific Direction it's not a legal firm. it's not a law firm but they provide you. with legal self-help and they can also. provide you with a contact for a. thirdparty independent attorney if the. [ __ ] hits the fan and what does this. mean this means like if you want to form. an LLC if you want to incorporate if you. want to get a will uh Power of Attorney. living trust things along those lines. you can do all that step by step on.

Legal Zoom and it's very easy to do I. know a lot of people have done that on. it was formed that way uh Brian formed. his Des Squad company that way all that. is done through Legal Zoom super easy to. do there's a lot of things that you. would ordinarily have to go to a lawyer. you'd have to put your clothes on you'd. have to make an appointment you could be. naked drunk at home and do legal stuff. it's amazing amazing and not very. expensive uh you can form an LLC from 99. bucks uh they've been helping Americans.

get personal Wills power attorney doing. all that stuff for over 10 years and. they have an A+ from the Better Business. Bureau which to me is giant you know. they don't just give those away so I I. like that I know people that have used. this service I like that my friends have. used this service and I like that I just. hear nothing but good things about them. you can even get a divorce if you know. the other person you're getting a. divorce with is really. cool but if they're not it's and then if. they're really that cool why are you.

divorcing them the [ __ ] you doing I. wonder how many people have gotten. divorces through Legal Zoom it's. probably like three I might be wrong but. you could do it um so go there go to. Legal zoom.com enter the code word Rogan. in the referral box at checkout and you. can save some money that way protect. your family protect your future all of. it at Legal Zoom legal help furnished. through vetted independent attorneys. it's a sweet [ __ ] website I really. enjoy Legal Zoom I like the fact that. there's a lot of things that you know it.

used to be super inconvenient to deal. with like simple legal issues like. forming a corporation you can do all of. that now you can start your own business. now at legal zoom.com and when you do. that go to the checkout box and the. referral box at checkout rather and. enter in the code word Rogan for more. savings so that's legal zoom.com and. enter the code word Rogan we're also. brought to you by Nature Box I got a new. batch of nature box Jamie oh you're. going to love all this new groovy [ __ ].

we got but no saracha cashews I [ __ ]. talked too much about Sriracha cashews. and now you [ __ ] all buy them up. there ain't no shacha cashews left we're. [ __ ] killing the cashew Farmers those. poor cashew farmers and those poor. shacha makers they're working double. triple overtime sweating their balls off. trying to make Sriracha. cashews what's that I need some yeah we. all need some blueberry almonds though. dark cocoa almonds have you had those oh. good lord and peanut butter nomnom they.

might be my new favorite PewDie Nom Noms. might take the place of sriracha cashews. but I shouldn't tell you [ __ ] cuz. then you buy them all up too uh what. nature box is is you order it online and. you pick the stuff that you want and. then they send you boxes every week and. here's the the deal behind it if you are. a person that works in an office and you. have one of those goddamn vending. machines that temps you you're kind of. hungry and you walk by and like the most. healthy thing in there it's like some. shitty ass granola bar and you know. that's not what you want to eat and you. definitely don't want to eat candy but. you wind up doing it just because you're.

hungry Nature Box gives you hundreds and. I mean hundreds of delicious snacks to. choose from really good stuff and. there's a lot of stuff that you don't. have to feel guilty about there's a few. things that are a bit questionable a few. pretzels and things along those lines. are not necessarily good for you but. they have zero trans fats zero high. fructose corn syrup all the stuff that's. really shitty for your body low in sugar. you can get plenty of under low and. sugar non GMO and without gluten and.

they ship for free um peanut butter Nom. Noms like I said are my favorites but. there's so many good ones the blueberry. almonds are to the Big Apple P Big. Island pineapples are fantastic there's. a lot of really healthy choices that you. could choose from that are delicious. they're really good I've signed up a. bunch of friends on naturebox.com and. you know they no one's complaining. everybody's enjoying the [ __ ] out of it. Brian's completely addicted to it that. [ __ ] doesn't even go food shopping. anymore he just nature box and has it.

stacked around his house he needs to go. to a Goddamn grocery store he wonders. why he's not feeling good all the time. [ __ ] dude smoking cigarettes and. eating snacks like have a goddamn meal. but in between meals nature box is. seriously the way to go it's the. official snack provider for uh The Joe. Rogan Experience podcast we have them. laying around the office right now I. just brought in a brand new box and if. you Cod to. naturebox.com right now you'll get 50%. off your month's first box so go to.

naturebox.com Rogan that's. naturebox.com Rogan for 50% off your. month's first box try it out no more. hungriness no more crankiness and no. more shitty choices from those goddamn. vending machines really yummy food. that's you know packaged in in a very. convenient easy way it's delicious and. it's about as good a choice as you can. get when it comes to snack foods so. naturebox.com Rogan go there and enjoy. some delicious savings and last but not.

least we're brought to you by on it.com. that is on nni T we are a human. optimization website at on it we sell. all of the very best in strength and. conditioning equipment in supplements. athletic supplements supplements that. are designed to help you improve your. performance both in cognitive function. uh your physical fitness performance. your endurance we have uh things that. aid in recovery we just find whatever. the best [ __ ] that we can find online. whether it's um athletic equipment like.

like uh battle ropes or kettle bells or. things along those lines medicine balls. all things that provide what we call. functional strength and what functional. strength is the IDE the idea behind. functional strength is athletic. equipment and exercises that improve. performance in any given task like um. like if you do bicep curls it's not. necessarily going to help you do. Jiu-Jitsu uh or it's not going to. necessarily help you throw punches. better it's going to make your arms look. bigger you look all [ __ ] sexy at the.

beach and [ __ ] but the reality of. athletic performance is your body has to. move as one individual unit all parts. moving together to enhance your your. athletic performance not just your. ability to lift weights in a very. specific and isolated way and uh that's. what kettle bells are all about I'm a. huge fan of kettle bells if you've heard. this podcast before you're probably like. well you shut the [ __ ] up about kettle. bells Jesus Christ son but I just think. that these uh bad [ __ ] Russians they. figured out some cool [ __ ] um and they.

figured out a long time ago one of the. best ways uh to improve athletic. performance is this thing called a. kettle bell it's like a a bowling ball. an iron bowling ball with a handle on. the top of it and it's all about. swinging these things around and it's. all about overcoming inertia and using. your whole body in these explosive. movements and it is just absolutely. fantastic for developing full body. strength like full body strength where. you can just move couches easier you. know if you're doing any sort of a sport. whether it's tennis or you know anything.

you will have more physical strength to. draw upon um and uh we sell the very. best ones that we can find including the. Primal Bells and The Zombie Bells which. are two artistic kettle bells that we. had designed um we had uh the the Primal. Bells designed the great apes it's uh. chimpanzees howler monkeys uh. orangutans uh and gorillas uh all. various weights from 18 PBS up to 72 lbs. and uh they're all 3D balanced as well. um you there's some artistic kettle.

bells that are out there from other. companies and they they look really cool. but the the reality is you want a kettle. bell to be completely symmetrically. balanced so that when you're swinging it. there's not like some weird momentum. that comes from the the odd shape of it. we design these kettle bells to make. sure that not only do they look great. but they function the exact same way as. regular kettle bells so either prepare. for the gorilla takeover or the zombie. apocalypse with Primal bells or zombie. bells and then get your free G at on.com. that's o n ni T use the code word Rogan.

and you will save 10% off any end all. supplements all right that's it end of. commercials Robin [ __ ] black is. here cu the music young Jamie let's get. going check it out the joean experience. Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night. all. day there's very few people in this life. can say that they've gone from glamrock. to expert MMA commentary and even. fighting in MMA very few people other.

than you Robin black there might be some. lady out there somewhere some chick I. don't know yeah pretty weird I I I tend. to try to do stuff that I like that's. kind of my goal in life is do a bunch of. stuff I like that's a beautiful goal man. and if everybody did that we would have. a lot more happy people in this world. yeah I think you're right yeah you do a. fantastic job you work for the fight. Network in Canada right and you do a. fantastic job of breaking down fights. and your enthusiasm is so contagious. it's really cool I've really enjoyed.

watching those videos cuz as a person. myself who's a huge fan of fights and. just just there's so many aspects that I. think that maybe the Casual fan might. miss or the person who has never trained. or competed might miss and you do a. great job of sort of encapsulating those. really important moments and and and. highlighting them and isolating them and. you do it all with passion it's really. fun man thank you that is the coolest. thing anyone's everever said to me like. I just I really [ __ ] love doing these.

things like you could tell yeah I do. like to spend hours sitting there and. look at how beautifully these guys moves. in the moment in time where two. unwilling guys are like they each are. trying to choreograph their own thing. right and what's going on psychically. and what's going on mentally like it. honest to God I've done a lot of fun. things and they all seem to kind of lead. to this and if I can only do one thing. for the rest of my life I'd spend my. time in my little lab researching what's. going on when two men fight like that's.

what I do with my life and that's what I. do now and I absolutely love doing it. yeah you could tell and um like I said. as someone like me who's also a huge fan. of MMA and a huge a huge fan of watching. two people try to figure each other out. in the most dangerous and most uh the. most high stake sport I think in the. world maybe not the most dangerous as. far as like I mean I guess like maybe. NASCAR is probably more dangerous. dangerous but the the high stakes of the.

human hand toand combat to me there's so. much on the line there's so much. psychologically going on and there's so. many little things like I'm sure there's. a lot that I'm missing if I watch. basketball I'm sure there's a lot that. I'm missing if you watch football but. when it comes to striking and and. grappling and mixed martial arts the. variables are so gigantic and the. different approaches to overcoming those. variables are so gigantic like you did a. recent thing on gunar Nelson yeah and uh.

gunar Nelson who is a jiujitsu expert. and now an MMA fighter out of Iceland. who's a really interesting dude like. super. stoic [ __ ] cold as ice never Smiles. never laughs he's he's a weird dude but. Wicked Jiu-Jitsu I remember him from the. just before he ever got into MMA or high. level MMA um he beat mon [ __ ] Monson. yeah who's a gorilla I remember seeing. this little guy on monson's back I'm.

like who is that [ __ ] like that. guy's a beast how do you take Jeff. monson's back yeah and it's and that. calmness he uses that so intelligently. like I was I'm reading this have you. heard of this book uh the rise of. Superman no oh dude you have to read. this book immediately so this guy goes. and he has researched the biochemistry. that's happening in the brain at the. opport at the moments where people feel. like a surfer feels like at one with the. wave you know a free climber feels at.

one with the wall there's actually. biochemistry happening in the brain and. there's four four uh neurotransmitters. that are released simultaneously and in. that moment there's all of these things. that humans do better uh one of them is. pattern recognition so when two guys are. fighting you can see patterns in how. they move and predict outcomes right and. uh got different guys get into it in. different ways the bulk of the research. is on action adventure sports like flip. and motorcycles through the air five.

times and stuff cuz those guys if they. are not in that state they die right so. the level now like there's exponential. growth in what people can now do in that. state because it's being it's sort of a. global experiment that men are pushing. each other further and further I mean. everybody used to gather around to see. um uh evil coneval jump 10 buses now. every day 10 guys do that and flip four. times while doing it you know so the. level of what people are able to. mentally accomplish so that's happening. in fighting and the thing and I'm.

obsessed with science so that that. what's going on physically is. fascinating what's going on. psychologically but the science is crazy. and that's kind of where my research is. going now like if you could take an EEG. and put it on their brain in the highest. moments of combat what's going on in. there I wonder if you ever could do that. because if they were in that highest. moment of combat and they had an EEG on. their brain would they be thinking the. same because would they realize they had. an EEG on would it distract them well in. theory if all these people scream and. you sitting at the side of the cage and.

wearing your underpants getting punched. in the face if all that isn't. distracting a couple of things on your. head that's hard to say though I mean. the state what you want to what you want. to uh check with that EG or something is. the mental state the the biochemistry. the neurology happening in the brain and. if they're not in that state you can't. do it but people have done it in other. sports they've done it and looked at. what's happening in the brain and. there's something called um uh hypo. frontalism where actually less is. happening in in the front of your brain.

during these moments of of like perfect. performance and that's what this book's. about this guy is like like chemically. analyzing the highest level of. performance so to take that into. fighting these guys are operating at. that level now like the top guys Carlos. cond is operating at that level you know. he's operating in moments of Pure Flow. and when these guys are in those moments. What's Happening that that shit's. fascinating like to look at fights and. un and look and see that these guys are. operating the highest level of human.

performance and in that state against. each other they're fighting each other. it's crazy yeah so it's really. fascinating um the book is called the. rise of Superman and it's by a guy named. Steven Cotler and uh it's got four and a. half stars on amazon.com so that's. that's pretty good s it's a great book. I'm going to do a little breakdown on. what's going on with pattern recognition. in that state and imagine you and I are. both in that state and you know that I'm. starting to recognize patterns you can. lay traps for me by doing something. called chunking where you'll go 1 2 3 4.

and I'll start to recognize that pattern. and anticipate it and you'll change one. thing that pattern and hit right so. chunking use understanding that I'm. predicting your patterns and using that. against me like all of that kind of. stuff just fascinates the [ __ ] out of me. right now well that's always been a big. thing about striking about changing up. the speed of your approach um and also. throwing faints in pretending to go one. way and going another there's all sorts. of different things that people have. done to try to offset pattern. and each other's brains like your your.

brain the better your brain performs the. different I after approach to make you. pay for having such a good performing. brain you know what I mean like your. brain can anticipate stuff so I need to. make you make that a bad thing for you. wow you think you know so it's what it. says here is that F that flow is caused. by a mighty cocktail of five powerful. chemicals from dopamine to serotonin and. that's interesting that I've never. really thought about it that that they. have all these ch. flowing together I've always thought of.

it as just sort of a quote unquote state. of mind that you achieve a state of mind. but this state of mind being a bunch of. neurotransmitters are flowing together. in the optimum levels yeah man like. think of that the way uh like this your. State of Mind affects your emotion and. your emotion affects your biochemistry. and your biochemistry affects your. performance so it's they're linked to. each other so that idea that guys get. focused that Focus causes a bio chemical. change in their brain this is the kind.

of [ __ ] I want to go to next on my. breakdowns like start playing with this. kind of stuff evolutionary things you. probably read that the hand part of the. reason it evolved the way it did was for. fighting have you read that and the jaw. and stuff the shape of a man's face. exactly like so start looking at what. that means and why they like the science. of that kind of stuff is just starting. to blow my mind it is totally. fascinating stuff and it's also the the. thing about this achieving this Flow. State that's so maddening for people is. that it's it just slips through your. fingers it's there and it's gone it's.

you achieve these brief moments where. you've seen it in basketball games where. a guy just feels like you can't miss he. hits those three pointers from the. outside in pool I play pool a lot and I. you there's these moments they're rare. and fleeting but when they come it's. like you can't miss you know where. everything is I'd be willing to bet. you're in that state some huge. percentage of time when you're doing. comedy cuz once you read about it. there's a whole bunch of confidence that. how to affects your way your inhibitions.

and your unwillingness to to use. inhibitions you're probably in that. state almost always when you're hitting. it in comedy yeah I would think so. because when you're doing comedy I've. always described it as you're more like. a passenger than you are like the pilot. you're all just you're just kind of like. doing it and like sometimes words will. come out of your mouth and you're like I. don't even know if I could take credit. for those words because um I guess it's. not I I know it's me it's coming out of. my mouth I know it's my voice I know I. know technically I created them I wrote.

them but it's not really me that's doing. it it's like it's just coming out on its. own and and a guy who catches an. enormous killer wave will say exactly. the same thing and a guy who walks a. tight rope over top of Niagara Falls. will say the same thing you're going. into that state in that time yeah I. would imagine and in Jiu-Jitsu you see. it as well like when guys are rolling. there's moments where you know like. there's a certain transition like. someone will hit the over under the guy. will try to escape will flow immediately.

to an armar and then immediately to a. triangle and it's all happening so fast. it's almost impossible for that person. to be thinking they're just reacting and. hitting those moves and just completely. like in that zone one of the aspects of. flow state is that you you interpret. time differently so you'll hear that. from a lot of Fighters I mean the one of. the things I think that helps me analyze. stuff is that when I fought I had. success and I had terrible failures like. Terri terrible embarrassing changing who.

you are as a man failures how many times. did you fight nine yeah and I won four. of them I'm I'm going to do one last. fight I'm going to end five wins and. five uh 45 five wins and five losses. you're sure I'm sure I'm sure there hey. man to get to 10 I mean but I'm telling. you I had the kind of losses that make. you question who you are as a man you. know what I mean for for days or weeks. or effect you're pop into your. experiencing that I think that's an.

analyst's life you you've like I've had. a flow my last fight I went in the. second round I literally completely did. whatever I wanted for seven minutes it. was perfect and two fights earlier I my. brain almost melted down when I look. back I don't know if I lost Vision or if. I fainted or what like just absolute. utter failure and it and it hurts you. because in our genes the when males. would fight if one of them would lose.

you'd be kicked out of the out of the uh. the group like you may never have sex. again you may never a one loss of a. fight with another male could change. your history for the rest of your life. that's in our genes only ex Generations. ago and we still feel that but failure. is really [ __ ] brutal but it makes. you look at these things differently. like now when I look at these Elite. level fighters who can do that every. every day I such a Marvel in what. they're capable of and and I think cuz I. got brutally embarrassed in fight before.

you know and I think and you sure don't. like that experience but it changes who. you are and hopefully in good ways later. on well it also when you lose and. whenever you fail at something and you. feel that awful feeling of failure the. motivation that comes from that to never. Feel That Again is almost impossible to. recreate without having experienced. failure you find it in comedy I. experienced it in fighting as well like. that those moments where when it's over. you just feel like such a hunk of [ __ ].

that like when you're training from then. on you your intensity is so much higher. because the stakes are higher because. you know that the this a brutal beat. down by somebody is such horrible. proposition not just in the moment but. after that moment the the thinking about. the act the thinking about it the same. as failing like I think failure as a. person especially as a man I think it's. a huge part of life I think it's an. important part of life and. the people that stay on the couch and.

don't risk anything that you're that. trying to stay comfortable is one of the. worst decisions you could ever make as a. man trying to stay comfortable is a. terrible terrible path yeah because. you're just going to stay soft and weak. and you're never going to figure out. anything you're never going to. accomplish [ __ ] I I've got to do some. pretty fun things I I have a really good. life I like everything that I do and uh. I got a killer wife and I live in Canada. and have fun and stuff and I really. think the only two things that I ever. had going for me was that I have a crazy.

good work ethic and I'm not afraid to. look like an idiot I don't give a [ __ ] I. am not afraid to look like an idiot. failure sucks and it hurts you but the. being not afraid to be made fun of or or. put down or looked at and laughed at and. not give a [ __ ] about that you'll try. stuff you know you'll go for things like. you'll do stuff and uh I mean man nobody. ever had more haters than a guy who wore. eye makeup and tried to go into the. fight game like I mean [ __ ] everybody. hated me everybody in Canada like.

anybody in the fight business and here I. am [ __ ] six years later all you can. do is put your head down and try to do. good work you can't do anything else. nothing you can't kiss anybody's ass I. was talking to Eddie about this too you. can't kiss anybody's ass you can't beg. your way out of it you can't buy your. way out of it if they hate you and they. think you're a joke the only answer is. to just do try to do great work there's. no other there's no other cure and uh. that's what I try to do yeah I think in. that sense sometimes it's good to have. haters because it it keeps you motivated.

it keeps you motivated and it also it's. it's a balancing act you know I think I. think the world needs yin and yang the. world needs push and pull and I think. that having some negativity in your life. it makes the positivity feels so much. better yeah yeah no it makes it makes a. lot of sense man I mean we were just. talking about losing what what you know. there's is that evolutionary reason and. that like deep in that oh my God I am. never I'm going to be made push out of. the group and never have sex again I'm.

going to wander the Earth alone for the. rest of my life that's in us but I think. also uh you know I forget where I was. going. with he's not even Stone ladies and. gentlemen I had an edible this morning. actually uh oh um but uh yeah I mean. it's just one of those things it's a. miserable miserable thing but I know. where I was going winning is so good. because losing so terrible you know like. I mean if losing didn't suck winning. would be oh cool let's go try and win. again next weekend I remember when I was. competing the day of the competition.

there was always moments where I was. like I got to stop doing this like this. is just too much stress this just feels. terrible this is just and then once I. would win I would go this is the. greatest feeling in the world has ever. known like people who I feel sorry for. people who don't know what this feels. like to just to to win like a major. Taekwondo tournament or something like. that it was just the craziest feeling. like you just felt like wow all that. work paid off and that fuels you as a. person to accomplish other things it. gives you this this understanding of.

focus and of motivation and and. discipline and that if you apply all. those things to anything to writing to. whatever you're trying to do to building. a business to whatever you're trying to. do you can accomplish things that you. felt were insurmountable before for sure. and I mean uh there was uh the opposite. of that too is in us I think we all. think if the zombie apocalypse happens. tomorrow I'll be the guy rolls the car. off my wife picks her runs out of here. kills 10 zombies on the way gets on the.

helicopter and gets out of there but. that's not entirely always true and you. need to find that out about yourself. right you need to yeah you need to face. the fire to understand what it's like to. be under extreme pressure yeah and uh. and losing makes you say I'm not. necessarily that guy who [ __ ] flips. the car does that jumps kills 10 zombies. but then if you can come back and win. you go you know what if I'm at my best. if I'm focused if I have I have my [ __ ]. together some of the time I can be that.

guy and I think that's what you kind of. hope for well it's also objective. analysis of your own shortcomings and. your own strengths and that comes in. martial arts it's a huge factor in. martial arts because when especially. when you're training when you're in the. gym and you're sparring with you know if. you got a great gym like you're training. at 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu or something. like that you got just a whole room full. of killers and everyone kind of knows. the food chain yeah everyone knows where. everybody stands and why does everyone. know where everybody stands we know.

where everybody stands cuz we're tapping. each other out on a regular basis and so. because of that you're forced to really. analyze your game like this [ __ ]. gets me in his guard I'm in trouble like. I got to stay out of this guy's guard I. know this why because I've been caught I. understand it whereas if you don't have. any experience overcoming adversity. you're like nobody's catching me and. then you get in there with somebody who. just ragd dolls you and you like what. the [ __ ] and like your ideas of who you. are change because you you have this. dist like how many guys out there that. have never fought have this crazy.

distorted perception of what they're. capable of insane like nobody looks at. Tiger Woods and goes on the right day. I'm beating that guy 18 18 HSE bro you. don't know how I play golf if I played. golf I would dominate because I'm taking. it to the streets it's going to be. [ __ ] Street golf you know like guys. really think that but that's a lack of. understanding of what that really is I. mean you can kind of see it that the. willingness or the ability to go there's. trouble I'm G to hit it with this fist. that's in every guy so they don't.

understand that other guys have an. understanding of physics an. understanding of where their Body Works. what happens when you hit somebody in. the throat what that the natural. instinct to roll away gives him your. back like all the most Basics they don't. even understand that exists so they have. the idea that if I hit that thing with. this thing I might be able to to beat it. yeah know they think that somehow or. another they're tougher somehow or. another they're they're more alpha or. whatever whatever goofy [ __ ] they have. in their head and it's just a prop it's. like it's it's like a building that they. use for a movie but there's nothing.

inside the house like you have this like. this fake facade and then behind there. there's no house where's your [ __ ]. house you know and some [ __ ] beast. mounts you and starts pounding on you. and you give you back and you're like. and then after that's over you're so. devastated and defeated and who you your. perceptions of who you were were so. screwy I can't tell you how many times. I've had guys tell me that they would. never lose if they fought cuz my. mentality they're always like this yo. bro I don't lose my mentality that's.

I've had a dozen why are they all why do. they all have Italian accents cuz. they're all Italian it's a huge part of. my uh my culture the Italians I don't. know what it is about my people but. they're goofy as [ __ ] when it comes to. that they have this bizarre belief in. their ability to fight that's awesome I. don't know what it is it's wrong most of. the time if you know even if it's wrong. like you see dudes do Terrible Things. treat people bad be [ __ ] if that guy. took a beating when was 15 he'd be a. better person you're right he would be a.

way better guy today he would treat. people better he'd under but you know. there's not enough of that going on. we're really soft like our culture is. really so like by uh fight Network where. I work there's like a Metro where the. you get groceries and we used to walk. around this building it takes like four. minutes and they built this path on the. other side so it only takes 2 minutes. now cost like 80 100,000 to strip it out. put this stuff down put what the [ __ ]. are we doing that for well you're in. Canada though what part of Canada yeah. Toronto gets cold as [ __ ] in Toronto two.

minutes I mean like we're gonna. literally spend money to make sure that. people don't have to go do more effort. for two minutes even escalators like why. do we make this [ __ ] like you know what. I mean we in the history of humankind. there has never been a softer culture. than North America Canada US never in. human history true you know and that's I. think another reason why fighting is so. interesting because in a world like that. let's let go see what happens when we. see the opposite of that when we see.

people who drive it to the hardest level. push it as far as they can humanly go. and go in against another guy you're. talking about a guy saying oh you know. I'm hard that guy's [ __ ] hard too the. guy you're fighting is also mentally. unbelievably talented he's also and he's. better than you yeah and he's training. every day and he's objective and he's. got a real balanced sense of who he is. he's a real martial artist yeah that. that's a good point that how soft we are. is one of the reasons why it's so. exciting to see someone compete in such.

a such a dangerous and volatile. profession but the critics of MMA would. say well the reason why we are so quote. unquote soft is that our race the human. race is evolving and that we are moving. towards a state where we no longer. require physical conflict I think that. martial arts is the key to that Gap in. the and this is would seem like. contradictory to someone who doesn't. engage in martial arts but I think that. the realities of the biology the.

realities of the body itself and the. long history of combat that it's. ingrained in our genetics our DNA has. this long history of all these people. before us that had to fight to stay. alive whether is to fight off animals or. fight off Intruders or fight off and. this all this conflict is almost built. into the system and one of the best ways. in my opinion to ensure peace is to. actually exercise out all of that. conflict in the. so that it doesn't exist in society it.

doesn't exist in the workplace it. doesn't exist in friendships and it. doesn't exist in in you know in the. World At Large it only exists in Dojo it. only exists in gyms and some of the. nicest most respectful people I have. ever met have been Killers murderers I. mean in the gym you know in in the in. the cage in in in boxing Rings. kickboxers the nicest folks because of. the fact that they they have no insec. ities when it comes to that stuff they. their their focus when it comes to their.

martial arts is not about you know like. it's not about uh going out and bullying. people on the street or going out and. picking fights no their focus is in. bettering their skills and in doing so. and in training really hard all your. need to prove all that goes away like. some I've seen like MMA fighters that. people don't know and they get into. discussions with people and someone will. get douchy with them and they'll smile. and laugh like there's a famous story my. friend Tate Fletcher fought on The. Ultimate Fighter he's a blackbell and.

Jiu-Jitsu he's a bad [ __ ] cool. ass dude too super nice if you're a. friendly guy Tate's going to be your. best friend he's just the nicest guy. ever but we were in the Hard Rock Hotel. and there was this big [ __ ] kid man. he was like 6' 6 maybe at least 6'4 6'5. and Tate's like 6'4 so this guy was. bigger than Tate and uh like probably. like a big just he's probably like. college age 23 4 and he was just being a. [ __ ] drunk [ __ ] to everybody and.

just walking around with his shirt off. this big giant kid and he got to Tate's. door and he said to Tate like hey man. that's my [ __ ] room and uh Tate's. like no I'm pretty sure it's my room. it's like I got my key right here and. I'm going to use the key and uh Kate. Tate goes take it easy and Tate opens. his door and goes inside and I had the. room next to Tate so I go inside my room. and I hear bang bang bang I hear banging. on Tate's door and we had our doors open. you know we uh yeah the joining rooms.

and uh I Ste through Tate's talk what. the [ __ ] going on is that that same. guy and so Tate opens a guy he goes. don't you shut the door on me [ __ ] like. it was like some crazy moment where this. guy was like not just picking a fight. but going after Tate once he went into. the room they go out into the hallway. Weir that people do that at all just a. big bully just a big bully who used to. be you know used to being a big bully. and um Tate goes uh what do you you know. what do you want to do man what do you. want to do he goes he goes I'm going to.

kick your [ __ ] ass Tate goes why. don't you come over here and swing on me. man come on come on so uh Tate is. standing in front of the dude and the. dude and the dude is like oh [ __ ] this. is really happening right and then Tate. throws an inside leg kick and then pulls. guard grabs the guy pulls guard before. the guy even knows it Tate hooks an OM. Plata is on the side of the guy and then. security shows up so he's got this guy. in an omop Plata he's got his arm under. his neck in an Plata and security shows.

up and they go stop stop stop so I go. don't worry about it man I go it's fine. he's just going to put him to sleep it's. okay and the and the security guy goes. hey you're that guy from Fear Factor and. in that moment in that moment where the. security guys completely going holy [ __ ]. what are you doing here man I go this is. drunk guy's picking up my friend and. when when I said like don't worry he's. just going to put him to sleep Tate said. that in his head he was like all right I. guess I'm going to put him to sleep now. so he wasn't going to hit the guy he. just decided like look if I hit this guy. then it becomes crazy salt and there's.

marks on him so Tate just chokes it puts. a rear naked choke on him and sleeps him. right there in the hallway his friends. pick the guy up and it's like a scene in. a goddamn movie his friends picked the. guy up they put him in the hot the. elevator the elevator door closes and. the guy vanishes and he disappears from. end and laughs all night about we for. years we still bring this up that [ __ ]. happened in like 2003 we still bring. this up because it was so. you've seen Ryan what's his name that uh.

uh Jiu-Jitsu guy in a bar and and he. takes the guy down takes his back or. mounts oh yeah yeah yeah Ryan Hall Ryan. Hall like a restaurant or something calm. is all hell don't worry about it don't. worry about it gets some down mounts. some waits till he's exhausted well he's. used to doing that all the time that's. the thing about training is like you're. used to struggling like essentially for. your life you know I mean the the what a. what is a tap you know tap is a way that. you can train where it's safe and. someone Taps and what that means is you.

know you got me but what what does got. me means it means you're dead I would. have died or my arm would have broken in. half and then you killed me then you. kill them I mean it's it's essentially. you're playing a game called I kill you. with my body or you kill me or we kill. each other several times over the course. of a seven minute rolling session and. then we shake hands thanks man that was. great and then you move on to the next. guy better person out into the world and. walk out in the world and be a better. person I agree 100% it exercises that. stuff out of your system and that's. that's the frustrating thing when all of.

a sudden you know I come to town my. wife's here and her friends are like. what's the deal with this war machine. and Christy Mack they don't know about. any of this stuff they don't know about. any of the good things about about uh. martial arts they don't know about any. of the good things that doesn't makes. people a better person they just come in. and they're like hey some some MMA. fighter beat up a por star like you know. what I mean they don't know like they. don't know that there's that side to. it makes your life better F [ __ ] up. story I don't you know. I don't know what exactly went down like. people keep asking me to comment on it I.

this is the only thing I would ever say. any anytime you know there's an. altercation like that between a man and. a woman and a man hits a woman it's it's. never correct it's always evil it's. always wrong it's beyond [ __ ] that a. guy could beat a woman it's beyond. [ __ ] and it should be it's it should. be a heinous crime that's punishable in. in the the worst ways. don't you I.

knows ACC to story that he beat the out. of her that's what it looks like there's. no evidence to the contrary and that's. awful so that's all I could say I mean. I'm I'm not commenting on it until I. mean really commenting on it until I. know more of what exactly happened I. don't know what the [ __ ] went down but I. don't know how a guy could do that I I. literally do not know how a man. especially martial artist he always. likes to think of himself as not a.

martial artist he's a fighter you know. yeah and that's probably true he's an. animal you know and there are those guys. typically in the gym you don't get guys. get that good that are animals like that. they don't have enough they have too. much ego to go I'm not good at this so I. have to train that to get better so you. don't these guys come into you know a. big gym and they're new and they're. tough guys they're gone in a year they. they don't have they won't have the the. absence of ego enough to train the. things they're not good at and then they. end up leaving so it's rare that. somebody has to be very driven of like a.

you know an animal style fighter type to. get past that to get to that level or. just be genetically really Superior you. know or whatever it's rare that that. style of person becomes a high level MMA. fighter yeah it is it is rare because if. you're that [ __ ] in the head usually. you're not strong enough mentally to. keep going and to get to that St War. machine's a he's a high level MMA. fighter you know I mean it's it's so. just so disappointing I had in the. podcast 6 months ago maybe something.

like that yeah it's a weird unbelievably. sad but like you said we don't really. know and his life's over his [ __ ]. life is over I mean I don't know what. he's going to do because he's been in. jail twice now and this is the third one. and and a girl a pretty little girl like. that she's tiny man she 100 PB yeah you. don't like to speculate on how this will. end that's changed the subject it is D. it's a weird one too you know not just. this topic but it's strange like I like. to analyze fighting I I don't really. like to be an a MMA journalist because a.

lot of that time you're not talking. about fighting guys are talking about. this guy said that thing or this sold. that many things or you know why is this. guy not a star I don't care really about. that [ __ ] so much like to me I'm just so. unbelievably curious as what is going to. happen when Demetrius Johnson fights. this guy and then after he fights that. guy sitting there and trying to figure. out what the thing was that made that. one moment like that do you know jiren. valel yes yeah jiren valel was was uh. reing that match we talk about bad refs.

we talk about bad judges jiren's cool. and I ran into him and Winnipeg actually. Joe durksen was at this party and you. were talking about uh guys that kind of. you know are cool durksen works now in a. prison and he said guys will be like I. think I could beat you and he'll be like. yeah he probably good like Joe doesn't. give a [ __ ] but uh yeah jiren Val's. there and he was saying oh I really. liked your Demetrius Johnson break I'm. like thanks man whenever anybody like. likes those it means a lot to me cuz I I. love doing them right and so we're. talking about it it goes well you know. tell me what else you saw and we I'm. having a beer and whatever and uh I said.

why and he goes well I was I was ring. that one so I did I looked at a lot of. tape too and I'm like really that's cool. man he goes yeah me and Big John him and. John are very good friends they'll go on. Skype and look at tape together and. stuff I'm like wow that's cool that's. [ __ ] cool that you do that and he. goes yeah I saw a couple things oh one. thing you didn't he didn't say you. missed but he suggested and it was. [ __ ] brilliant like this referee that. was reing the main event picked up on. this one that basically when the two. guys when when Demetrius Johnson ends up.

kind of in that Center Zone not quite in. the clinch and not quite at at uh you. know in the pocket kind of in that. middle Zone he'll give you a little. shove like he comes in put you in a. position yeah well he he's is looking. for one of your only two logical. responses you're going to back up and he. backs all the way out or you're going to. push against his and he goes to the. clinch so he goes in as a little sample. test and he does it all after jiren. pointed it out I'm like holy [ __ ] I. looked at his fights he always does that. and for a a referee to go and spend that. much time and find that little moment.

because and I said why' you do that he. goes well I just wanted to be in the. right moment and write places and be. aware of what was going on I'm like. that's a [ __ ] good refere great. refere that's what we need you know yeah. that is what we need and that's a an. excellent example in Demetrius Johnson. of a guy who's trained by one of the. best in the world in Matt Hume I did a. breakdown of Matt hume's first uh fight. in panra oh yeah I'm a big Mane fan I. really like him in the corner too he's. great at giving like techn instructions. in between rounds I think you know.

there's a few guys that are just really. good trainers and you just see it in the. in the examples of the like Dwayne. Ludwig I think right now is the best D I. don't think there's a better striking. coach on Earth yeah Duke Duke is Duke is. right up there with them right up there. with them Duke and Henry hoof are in. this world of perfection and bang lewig. is pushing the boundaries a little he's. trying to test he's taking new things. even just the simplest [ __ ] that he was. showing me after uh was it after or. before TJ's fight I think it was before.

and he was showing me the elements of. when guys will go to enter and you know. how like I'll use punches to get you to. think up and down and you start. responding up and down he makes you. believe that he is playing with your up. and down and while your brain is. focusing in on that he camouflages his. footwork in so some of the punches are. [ __ ] to make you think about them. while he steps off in a different places. [ __ ] like that like and it's and he's oh. man and he is operating like he's got.

700 cups of coffee in him he's yelling. and he's thinking fast and you can see. talk about Flo when he's teaching This. Guy's in a different place yeah he. really is Dwayne lwig chugs ala brain he. eats that [ __ ] like candy he eats it all. day long he's obsessed with he's. obsessed with analyzing fights and. training Fighters it's the it's such a. huge part of his daily thought process. it's it it it just it's engrossing it. just it's it's his whole being and.

that's why he's so goddamn good I sat. down with him at lunch the day TJ fought. baral and when TJ Dillashaw beat henon. Barra who at the time was thought of as. the best pound-for-pound fighter one of. the best pound for fighter. pound-for-pound fighters in the world TJ. was a big Underdog and TJ went into that. fight and dominated tenant Brown knocked. him out in the fifth round after. dropping him the first dominating him. for five rounds then stopped him but. what was crazy was when I had lunch with. Dwayne Dwayne told me exactly what the.

plan was and then he went out and did it. exactly that way a lot of switching. stances a lot of capitalizing on baral. loading up and standing flat-footed a. lot of stepping to the outside then. immediately countering and he did it. over and over and over again and TJ's a. sponge man I had a chance to watch those. two work out together and TJ is just a. sponge he's a sponge everything Dwayne. teaches him yeah sometimes it's like you. got the brilliant teacher and the. brilliant fighter and then the two. together make an even bigger thing you. and there's no conflict between those.

guys they're really good friends and. TJ's a completely open book his cup is. empty and Dwayne is completely Egree. when it comes to teaching him he's all. about getting TJ better TJ's all about. getting better and they're great friends. these guys love each other so they're. always laughing and joking and ping. around together like when TJ beat hen. and Barrow and there was this moment. after the fight where they hugged and. they're both crying it's real woo. [ __ ] real man I was tearing up when I. was watching cage side it was crazy. amazing yeah it was incredible it really.

was and Demetrius and Matt Hume similar. thing I I looked back it was 1994 it was. like four months after UFC won and I and. I went back and reanalyzed because we up. at fight Network we're calling classic. pancr so we got all the old pancr and. we're commentating them through the lens. of today so we're going you know this. guy does this wow you know in 2014 that. couldn't happen because of this this and. this so we're looking at him. historically in the context of today. it's super cool man it's the funnest.

thing like guys don't there's no such. thing as uh like if I if a guy wants to. pass your guard he just passes it like. in in the 90s everyone's good at foot. locks for some reason people change POS. you get a mount and you'll like swing. your leg over the top to go back to side. so I'm in the mount my leg over to end. up ins side you'll be in eight 10. different positions always kind of they. were chaining together submission. attempts and positions to try to make. you keep guessing but didn't like it had. over straighted its welcome you're. looking at it and going this doesn't.

work but they're still doing it yeah you. know it's fascinating dog [ __ ] Jiu-Jitsu. what it is I watched uh I watched. Coliseum 2000 with hick and Gracie over. his house like way back in I got of say. it was probably like 2004 or 2005 or. something like that it was back when. Hixon was still thinking about fighting. yeah and it was a few years after he had. fought faki in Coliseum and he's we're. watching fights together we watched the. entire event and hick would break down. the movements and he's like look at all. this space all this you can't have this.

space you know like this like space to. him was just evil like what is this you. know cuz hixon's Jiu-Jitsu has always. been the elite of the elite so when he. watches like these errors and these. things like big Goofy movements you know. with big openings he it would just drive. him crazy like he he would just be. talking about all these errors and. what's wrong with this and and so. focused on it and if you watch juj or. you watch MMA from 93 and then watch.

like say Demetrius Johnson in 2014. you're like boy this is like no sport. has evolved this quickly never and you. those two examples it's when I looked at. Matt Hume he was better than everybody. him and Evan Tanner were better than. everybody just because they were. fighting like today and you look back. Matt Hume was doing this kind of leg. ride and side ride like wrestling. position that that Chris Weidman was. teaching at a seminar I was at like two. years ago he was doing it in 1994 he had.

good mu thae too Matt Hume had very good. mu Tha remember he fought Pat milage and. broke his nose and they stopped the. fight that was crazy they stopped the. fight for a broken nose I know I. remember like thinking like what kind of. goofy [ __ ] is that you look back at. these pancreas ones too and it's like. there were rope escapes like if you go. and you grab a rope it's like youve. you've got it I'm [ __ ] ta instead of. tapping I grabbed the rope and uh then. we're stood up and it's like if it is. not finished you cuz I grabbed the Rope. once but we tried to figure out I was. going to talk to Dave Meltzer right who.

I don't really know good but you know. we've chatted online and stuff cuz he. understands that history moment cuz. there's also a lot of Works back then. like legitimately and you have when you. say works for folks who don't know what. we're talking about we mean fixed fights. and that's a lot of that has a history. because of pro wrestling pro wrestling. in Japan was huge and that's also where. the Rope Escape came from that was. always like a big thing in pro wrestling. a guy would have a hold on a guy the guy. would grab the rope and the referee. would make them break it was a way to. keep pro wrestling interesting well when.

we look back at it we suddenly Ram Dean. and I are colonies and we look at each. other [ __ ] that's that's fake and S the. first time that happened we were like. well like I mean we have to address that. we like your credibility demands that. you don't go oh and he power bombed him. I mean you can't do that yeah and you're. talking about history we're trying to. make this series a history lesson as. well right so you have to talk about it. so the the reason it looks the way it. looks you you you nailed it it's like. basically wrestling was fake Once Upon a. Time wrestling was real guys went to.

towns and they wrestled each other and. the winner was the winner who could. wrestle but guys got so good and it got. so boring that they had to fix them and. became pro wrestler is that why they did. it is it because guys got so good or is. it just because people wanted to control. the outcomes I think a bit of both I bet. it was more gambling than anything maybe. so maybe so yeah uh and then the pro. wrestling over there these two guys faki. and Suzuki went and said we're going to. take pro wrestling which we love and. everyone loves we're going to make it. real and so when they made it real that.

was pancreas so suddenly it's like. wrestling was real then it was fake and. now we're going to make it real again so. there were things like rope escapes left. in there as you trans as you transferred. from fake to real again they stayed. there for a bit yeah that's interesting. that's really interesting and they were. so obsessed with the story lines cuz. they were originally wrestling. performers that the most of the works. involved them and involved them losing. so in it in its own way it was only. there to create entertainment but it's a. weird time in there like for purists and.

I [ __ ] love the sport you have to. make sense of why that was for people so. that they're not just it doesn't color. MMA in a way right but it was that. moment where MMA and wrestling sort of. touched each other in the early 90s yeah. that is an interesting thing man and. it's it's also an interesting thing that. I we were saying this that I don't think. there's ever been a sport that has. changed so much and grown so much in. just a period of 20 years yeah like this. 20 if you go to UFC 1 and then go to I.

don't know what number we on now 78 78. 77 if you go and just go to to. 2014 2003 or 1993 to 2014 it's gone. through like a thousand years of. evolution the the level is so different. the level of athleticism the level of. endurance the martial arts skill like. everything's different everything's. different I I think it's one of the. things I love about it the most and like.

people will talk Jon Jones and and. Cormier are like having all this heat. and they ask me about it it's like well. I I don't care it's interesting but for. me the biggest thing about one of the I. always say the biggest thing because I. also love the science I also love the. brain chemistry I love the beauty of the. dance all of it but one of the things. I'm most interested in is it's basically. one Global science experiment in real. time using thousands and thousands and. thousands of fights to distill down to. the Nugget of what's the best and it. still is that every 500 fights the best.

coaches are going okay well that doesn't. work anymore well we've added that that. works and it's this ongoing distillation. down to the purest way to beat other. guys that changes slightly now because. of this sort of demand for entertainment. from the audience and stuff and that. changes like you know guys are rewarded. more for standing now than and certain. things so that alters it but you you. take that out of it and basically we. just have thousands and thousands of. contests all there to help us determine. the research of how to be the best. fighter ever yeah I have issue with that.

aspect of it the where the the technical. aspect of fights changes for it to be. more entertaining I think it's not good. I think it's not smart and I think it. takes away from the purity of mixed. martial arts expression like what what. is martial arts it's all about doing the. very best thing in order to win a fight. and if you put yourself more in danger. so the crowd Roars and you know like we. just drop our hands duke it out I. remember a guy who's a friend of mine. wrote something on Twitter and he wrote.

uh you know [ __ ] technical striking you. know just stand in the center of the. cage and let it bang and meanwhile that. the guy who wrote that is all [ __ ] up. now he's got all sorts of physical. problems he's had a bunch of fights he's. all banged up it's like no don't no. don't think that don't say that like put. that's the the that is like you know. like uh you know [ __ ] [ __ ] thinking I'm. just going to hit this with a hammer no. no you have to think like that's the. whole thing the whole thing is solving. the puzzle and solving the puzzle in.

Striking is about technical striking it. doesn't mean no Knockouts there's a lot. of Knockouts that come from tactical. Strikers it means doing it the right way. where you have the most amount of. success the least amount of risk and. you're doing things based on the amount. of knowledge that's been accumulated. over thousands of years of martial arts. you're applying that in an intelligent. way Johnson Demetrius Johnson in my. opinion is the best example of that that. [ __ ] guy does everything right.

everything he does is perfect he doesn't. rush anything he's he never see him. slugging it out and [ __ ] dropping his. hands and like come on [ __ ] come on B. there's none of that stupidity it's all. brilliant marshal arts and he's so. exciting to watch I mean I I you know. sometimes people say it's not as. exciting because he's not finishing guys. as much but he [ __ ] finished John. Moraga in the fourth round of a fight. that he was dominating he finished. Joseph Benz. best guy in the world his exactly he's a.

beast and bagoo the only reason why he. didn't finish him cuz he's EPO to the. [ __ ] gills and who knows what else. didn't fatigue yeah it didn't fatigue. fatigue is such a part of it like it's. such an enormous part of it if you are. you know if everything is else is equal. but you're in better shape than the guy. eventually it's no longer equal it's. really that simple you know well that's. the Nick Diaz strategy Nick Diaz. strategy Nick is obviously a very. highlevel martial artist when it comes. to his technique and his experience and. he's obviously very very tough guy but.

he's also in [ __ ] phenomenal shape. Nick Diaz is swam back from Alcatraz. twice in the [ __ ] Pacific Ocean. outside San Francisco filled with sharks. okay he swam back twice he's done. triathletes he's triathlons he's done. marathons I mean he's a [ __ ] beast. when it comes to his physical. conditioning and what he does is just. puts a pace he just makes you run with. him like come on let's go we're going. running we're going running and he.

starts throwing these punches that are. like 50% speed hey can we catch me come. like he'll even mentally get you pulled. in there he's good at that too oh yeah. he starts come on [ __ ] come on [ __ ]. exactly that gets you rile oh it's. brilliant yeah you know Jack slack oh. man that guy is doing killer stuff. excellent stuff great breakdown there's. a little group of people out there it's. a niche and a niche and I'm proud to be. part of it mine I stand there and do. mine but Jack is [ __ ] good and. there's this young guy Lawrence Kenshin. is really good yes I was going to.

mention him I'm glad he did yes he's. excellent he do great breakdowns and I'm. so happy that like there's these guys. doing it and instead of going who's that. [ __ ] guy I'm better than him what the. [ __ ] we end up kind of we're friends. kind of like pushing each other it's. really that's an interesting thing about. MMA commentary that's like that as well. like I'm really good friends with. Michael shell really good friends with. Jimmy Smith I worked with Mike twice. good friends with Jason Chambers as well. he's a great buddy and because I'm. friends with all these guys that Al do. my job like there's no like competition. amongst each other like I Tred to get.

Jimmy Smith hired by the UFC I when. Jimmy Smith was his contract was going. up with Bellator I called Dana White and. I said dude this guy's the best he's. great he's a real martial artist he's a. real good guy I go he should work for us. you know he's he's [ __ ] great but. Bellator must have understood he was so. valuable well they yeah they were well. they were worried also they would worry. that who the [ __ ] else is out there I. mean it's a really tough gig to have a. person who's very passionate and very. articulate which Jimmy is both and is.

really good at breaking down scenarios. and situations and is legitimately. passionate while the fight's going on. like you could see it and also not. afraid to call out bad refereeing bad. calls bad judgments he's really like. it's very important to him to be honest. about the whole scene there's not that. many guys out there so if they if. Bellator did lose Jimmy like who the. [ __ ] else who do they get you know he. does all their fights yeah they probably. would call you and you a great job I'm. sure I mean that Brian Stan does a great. job Kenny Floren of course does a great.

job man the guy he's always been one of. my favorites cuz he's a regular guy who. just figured out how to get the answers. to the [ __ ] he needed to get to you know. what I mean like he wasn't some big. powerful genetic specimen he was kind of. a nerd he was like if I can just figure. out how to do this okay that worked but. this didn't and over time and he. analyzes the same way but where I was. going with Jack talking about Jack is he. did this I'm sure it's him I'm. remembering this amazing breakdown on um. Diaz and I'm pretty sure it was Jack if. it isn't if it was a different guy I.

apologize but it's looking at Nick Diaz. striking compared to Old School bare. knuckle boxers you know the guys with. the mustaches fighting like this and it. looks at it and there's so many. comparisons weade on the front leg. catching punches with the top of his. head like so many it's so brilliant and. I'm pretty it must be Jack cuz Jack's. the best guy out there yeah he's done a. bunch of great stuff he's he even wrote. uh he wrote a whole piece on George St. Pierre versus Nick Diaz which is a in. advance of it or after I believe it was.

in advance and and he wrote a breakdown. afterwards he he writes a bunch of those. things man he's got he's writing part of. the reason he's so good is he's working. so much he's in that zone you know but. nobody knows who he really is and uh. does anybody know what he looks like no. I I think he and he doesn't want that. and I think that's super cool I think. he's British I'm pretty sure he's. British I believe he is too yeah um but. uh it's cool man it's a little niche but. people are finding it interesting and I. always feel like you know you look at. other sports and on Monday the ESPN will.

have a 2hour show and they will go into. what happened and it won't be like well. this guy threw a thing and the the. Highlight will only be the catch they'll. show what happened at the line they'll. show they'll talk about what kind of. plays these guys called and stuff that. kind of analysis like all you guys do a. [ __ ] killer job but the before and. the after and stuff that's an area I. always wish the UFC concentrated on more. especially during the real. passion years it like the the heavy work. has always been on the hype and the.

excitement and this guy hates and these. two are the best and stuff but during. that era you feel like if you got 20% or. 30% or 40% of the audience to be. obsessed with the technique and I think. a lot of times people went and showed. how to do a triangle not how to watch a. triangle you know what I mean you know. but it feels like in a lot of other. sports there are they have spent time to. develop a. a certain percentage of the audience. that is there because baseball does some.

crazy [ __ ] I don't know what happens in. baseball but there are guys that talk. about how the field moves and what guys. do when they're like with rosin and [ __ ]. and in football they talk about how the. plays are called what the subtleties are. and you don't see that before and after. in the UFC you know right and yeah I. agree with you you know it' be nice to. see that um there's some they're doing a. lot of that though on the uh the. breakdowns that they do on Fox on Fox. Sports you know like Carlos cond does a. fantastic job that haven't seen his no. I'm I'm sorry did I say Carl Condit I. didn't mean Carl Condit who the [ __ ] did. I who the who does that.

um Dominick Cruz Domin Cruz does a great. job of it to speaking like you're. talking about um Demetrius Johnson. Dominic Cruz if he can come back the way. that he was he's one of those super. brilliant mind-blowing performers too. yeah well he's he's great as far as. movement and footwork and his. conditioning is always topnotch too. Dominic is just so good at like not. being there like you you you swing for. him and he's off to the left and then. he's countering you off to the right and. you're like [ __ ] where is this guy but.

he does a great job like he did a great. breakdown of kung Le versus Rich. Franklin hook I think and he drew out. the right hook yeah he did a great job. of explaining like I you know when when. someone is like like head straight up in. the air and they don't move off the. center line that [ __ ] drives me crazy I. watched it I was like [ __ ] who's. training you like why you like what's. going on here and then you watch a guy. like TJ Dillashaw so satisfying because. heing the line because Heely.

unpredict like when Domin did a great he. did a great breakdown of what Franklin. did wrong and where the errors were and. he's done that for a bunch of different. fights so doic is really good at that. he's [ __ ] talented uh they're uh when. we're talking about Dwayne lwg when he's. teaching he'll say you make no errors. unless you're making them on purpose and. what he means by that is if you. obviously you show well this is here the. guy will throw a punch we want him to do. that and we'll respond and there was. there's a really wild heavy case of it.

where you see and I I broke it down and. and uh if you even just look at the. fight itself you see it as soon as. somebody mentions it was um Jacare. versus uh Okami right so Jacare the. whole fight all he's got in mind is the. overhand right and the way for him to. draw that out is you know how everybody. you know they talk about that where the. front foot goes you against the Southpaw. he's got his front foot intentionally. inside and he's offering a straight line.

to his chin for the straight left and. Okami you can see him seeing it and. going no [ __ ] he wants me to throw that. a [ __ ] he's doing he's ready to counter. it and the hesitation on Okami is like. it's such a fascinating moment as a. guy's going look I'm out here you can. hit me with it and he's going oh he's. telling me I can hit him with it but. he's got that right hand ready and just. those moments to me are the fascinating. [ __ ] well it's also even more when it. comes to a guy like Jack R is because if. you do Engage The Real fear is that he's.

going to take you down so there's always. this thing when you're striking with a. guy who's such an elite Grappler it's. like this guy is trying to go me into a. slugfest but I know that he's going to. change levels and take me down at any. moment so you're always hesitant to. really commit to shots and extend. yourself because if you extend yourself. it makes it much more difficult to. defend the taked down a guy like Okami. is also or a guy like Jac R rather is. also fascinating because started out his. career as one of the elite of the elite. in grappling and really had bad striking. in the beginning like you watch his when.

he got knocked out by makako just his. striking was just very rudimentary which. wasn't very good but now he's destroying. guys with striking like he beat the. [ __ ] [ __ ] out of yukin yushin Noami. with striking and like that's terrifying. to people because now you take this guy. who is this just phenomenal top 1% of. all Grapplers ever I mean I think ja R. like out of elite Jiu-Jitsu guys he's. like top 1% ever and now destroying. people with standup it's like the focus.

that made him a great jiu-jitsu fighter. and the athleticism is now making him an. elite Striker and that's terrifying yeah. that what I is always kind of an. additional terrifying is that you don't. see him for like a year when a guy's not. around for a year you're like what the. [ __ ] is he doing like what does he have. now what new things does he have what. does he do better what's way faster than. it was a year ago that always scares the. [ __ ] out of me excites you and there's a. fight coming but you're like [ __ ] man. what has this guy been doing in the lab.

for the last year maybe he's got some. crazy [ __ ] we don't even know about yeah. well he's definitely getting better he's. not slacking off I guarantee you that. but did you see when he got elbow. surgery and they cleaned out his elbow. did you see that oh pull that up Jamie. jock elbow surgery pictures he had um. before he fought Francis gont um he had. uh like like a really bad like. bone spurs and chips and [ __ ] inside of. his elbow it was like you know all the.

years of elbowing people and also of. getting armbarred like things break off. inside your elbow and it becomes like. crunchy and you're moving it around it's. just all inflammation and tissue damage. and and look we'll show it to you up on. the big screen but it it's really. [ __ ] crazy like there's a cup of all. the things that they remov from his. elbow he's got teeth in his elbow it. looks like Teeth oh that's. chunks of bone and cartilage all ripping. apart all the stuff around it all the.

time you know people don't you know it's. how could they but you nobody really. sees a guy like who's a black belt level. guy has been training you guys you and. Eddie and and these black belt level. guys train all their life they have no. idea what that does to their joints and. their bodies like CH Jitsu is a [ __ ]. vicious sport like it's a hard vicious. sport guys will kickbox will look over. at the Jiu-Jitsu area and they see the. guys stretching and stuff and oh look at. these guys they won't they don't want no.

part of that they don't want to go in. there have their skeleton all stacked by. a guy like it's a vicious sport like. well it's a sport that I'm realizing. like one of the things that I did I I. made some mistakes with my Jiu-Jitsu uh. training and one of the mistakes that I. made was for a long time I didn't do any. strength and conditioning equipment the. strength and conditioning training I did. mostly just Jiu-Jitsu like for years and. years I would lift ways like maybe once. a week or something like that I get a. little lift in just to kind of maintain. my strength and size but I didn't.

specifically like strengthen my core. strengthen my spine strengthen certain. areas and stretch constantly stretch. like you got to put as much time almost. into that as you do into your Jiu-Jitsu. training just to armor up your body just. to just to armor up your joints not so. that you can overpower guys and like not. concentrate on technique which a lot of. people do have a problem with like. really strong like football players big. guys tend to try to muscle things. instead like the really technical guys.

are always the really small guys because. they don't have the muscle up option so. their option is only to use the proper. technique and leverage but you got. strengthening your body is important. just to prevent injuries just pre. strengthening your hamstrings to prevent. knee injuries strengthening your quads. prevent knee injuries strengthening your. neck strengthening your back like. strengthening lower back stretching all. that like a lot of guys slack off on. that [ __ ] and I did too and I got had. some some pretty serious back injuries. because of that because I wasn't. strengthening those areas you know like.

for the longest time I I very rarely. worked my back I didn't do like rows or. any like exercises specifically so. having like an issue with discs and. stuff like that forced me to really. concentrate on that yeah that's nasty. stuff yeah and then you know guys get. back injuries and get start doctors give. them like opiates and stuff that [ __ ]. can wreck their lives you know a bad. back injury leads to something like that. next thing you know you're you're yeah. you're fting dudes for money for hey.

how' you get there it was a bit of a Lea. I recognize but what is your what is. your martial arts background when did. you start doing martial arts I uh. started about nine Taekwondo I have a. black belt in Taekwondo I trained. through high all in Canada all in. Toronto yeah uh KS Cho College I lived. grew up in Manitoba you know what like. my parents are the coolest people ever. on earth I was just like a weird kid and. I really was liked Bruce Lee and stuff. like I was really interested in martial. arts and I was pretty hyper and odd and.

didn't have a lot of focus and they once. they said if you're serious well this. we'll do it they would drive me an hour. and a half each direction to Winnipeg to. go train three times a week for my whole. [ __ ] as a kid teenager it was amazing it. changed my whole life it changed my. whole life and uh you know I competed I. did really well and stuff and and I. enjoyed it and I did a little bo I had. an interest in every martial art so I. did a little Saron which is like a. Filipino martial art how do you spell. that it's s i k a r a n and you know. it's like kie no arnes and kie are an.

offshoot of Saran it's a Filipino. martial art and it's very much like. taekwondo but when they compete they. stick their hands in their belt and it's. all spin kicks and hook kicks and [ __ ]. it's super cool they put their hands in. their belt they compete like wide stance. with their head far back lots of hook. kicks off the front and then no hands. it's a kicking it's like savat almost. wow but savat does have hands now. modified to have hands over But but so I. did a lot of that at AR blocking no all. moving your head and your body it was.

like really it was just a very Winnipeg. thing this one Central area of of Canada. this Filipino master of it came there. and he started a school he was a really. good businessman so it ended up being on. in the whole world if you looked at. where sikaran was taught the Philippines. and there was a chunk a little red dot. in the middle of Canada cuz this guy was. there and he had a bunch of schools and. people studyed and a lot of Filipino. population so I did a little of that and. wow we TI then yeah if saran's really. cool check it out I don't know how much. there'll be of modern stuff on the.

internet but it's basically a ton of. round kicks hook kicks and spin kicks. with your weight heavy on the back leg. so it's sort of like kicking like a a. martial arts version of soccer you can't. use your hands like fencing with your. feet yeah I mean like you can't even. like block that's so ridiculous yeah. it's really weird I mean but it's boxing. ridiculous you can only Punch Yeah but. at least you can block yeah you know. yeah I guess that what the actually you. would see a lot of cuz over the I always. found it interesting even just as a kid. I was curious guys would be doing you'd.

go to the tournaments and guys are all. doing hook kicks and then shift forward. and spin kick all of a sudden guys. started doing this from there where they. would just bounce on their back leg. hooking and and round kicking so they. bounced towards each other doing that so. they were tapping it's just an. interesting thing as a teenager to see. and then I got I started playing in a. rock band in my 20s and so I didn't do. much martial arts at all after did you. did you practice music before that like. when did you get involved in music I was. uh growing up as a kid Bruce Lee and. Alice Cooper were like my two ha okay so.

that's where the Glam Rock came from. like the makeup and yeah and uh late mid. 20s I started playing in a band and I. really liked performing I and I did a. lot of jumping and kicking and wearing. tight pants and you know and like it was. super David Le Roth style exactly. exactly and uh somewhere between David. Le Roth and the New York Dolls you know. and very drunk very very [ __ ] up like. through the whole era like we would go. and we oh man and I told Eddie this. story I haven't told a lot of people. this story but people asked me about it.

my friends asked me about it recently. but I was basically on tour so I do that. for like 10 12 14 years and we're. touring England and the UK and um and uh. like um Italy and a few places like that. we did really well over there and I had. a seizure from just doing so much drugs. and drinking so much and like a bad like. you basically I had been the when I came. back the doctor said the vodka and Red. Bull was actually the biggest component. the fact that I took a lot of speed over. the 3 days without sleeping let me drink.

more vodka Red Ball but basically as the. sugar leaves your body it goes down and. you and you get sick and when the. alcohol then leaves your body it draws. more sugar out you have a hypog gimic. seizure so I I'm laying on the couch I. felt terrible for like 10 hours and then. all of a sudden apparently I just yelled. something and people came over and I. felt this electricity shoot down my arms. into my hands and they just locked up. and I rolled back down my eyes rolled in. my head I thought it was 10 seconds. later and everyone's looking at me like. I just got knocked out you know and then.

apparently it was like a minute or. something and I went back and the doctor. said dude you got to get your life. together wow and then I started training. martial arts again pretty much that day. and then I trained you know three times. a week then five then seven then I was. doing Jiu-Jitsu Monday Wednesday Friday. 7:00 a.m. noon and 600 p.m. and Tuesday. and Thursday noon and 6:00 p.m. and wait. a minute you were training Jiu-Jitsu. three times a day three times a day. Monday Wednesday Friday twice a day. Tuesday Thursday for about six months. and then people kind of knew me a little. in Canada like on television doing stuff.

I I was like a reality show judge and. the network said oh you're going to. fight well why don't we do a TV show. about that wow and that kind of allowed. me I really wanted to be in the fight. world that's what I loved the second I. kind of had you know been not living a. crazy lifestyle all I wanted to do was. martial arts and then really really from. that minute on that's all I kind of did. and that's all I was interested in WoW. wow that's it's crazy that you blacked. out from Red Bull and vodka so the.

hypoglycemic aspect of it is just super. bad for you huh yeah oh yeah they uh in. fact G my wife just told me this morning. unrelated she said uh she was on the. internet and she said uh Toronto looking. to ban vodka or or alcohol and Red Bull. served in bars just just popped up this. morning on the internet that's so crazy. I never thought of that as a bad drink. yeah yeah it very dangerous there. apparently lot once you something like. that happens to you you look it up on. the internet there's a lot of that going.

on H hypoglycemic seizures as a result. of AR Red Bulls that's so funny I well. when it's hypoglycemic what if you use. sugar-free Red Bull does it have less. effect could help I'm trying to give you. I'm enabling folks give it a go I I feel. like um it's always like a weird thing. when you mix an upper and a downer too. right and that's what you're doing with. alcohol and Red Bull if you smoke a bit. of weed and you drink a coffee it's kind. of the same thing not really though. because I don't think weed is a downer. it's not a downer in terms of like a. depressant alcohol is a true depressant.

weed like you could smoke a joint and. lift weights and have a great workout I. can't you can't really you need to hang. out with me more yeah maybe so oh man. all I want to do is like chill out I'll. watch fights I'll do a bit of writing or. whatever but I tend to get a little. introverted and a little mellow I don't. know it's just you know what's fantastic. weed and yoga yeah that would make sense. to me am it's amazing stretching like I. was talking to my friend Aubrey about. this the other day like uh there's this.

buddy that we know that uh makes these. uh they're called jambos these uh these. uh organic um uh Edibles it's like he. uses honey instead of like uh processed. sugar and they're they're really. delicious and they're super strong and. you know Aubrey ate one and then went on. this like 2hour stretching and like. Rampage with like like using a lacrosse. ball to roll out all the the tight. tissue just makes you really in tune it. makes you feel like I like lifting.

weights on it because it makes me like. feel like what my body's doing I feel. like I can get like a sense a better I'm. more in tune more sensitive yeah I'd be. afraid of not afraid but I don't feel. like doing something physical but I. definitely give it a try uh is. weightlifting for you that's become like. a martial art right it is to me I think. of especially Olympic lifting that's a. martial art and what way like an Olympic. lifts like say um you know a clean or a. snatch you work Forever on the little.

details to try to make yourself calm. enough to be able to express yourself. with the lift like to be able to really. put it all together you move one way. wrong you don't you don't nail the lift. you distribute your weight different in. your feet you don't nail the lift you. don't drive and tie your hips together. with the same time that you're supposed. to go up on your toes and shrug you. don't hit the lift so it becomes this. ongoing work to try to make this thing. better I see what you're and uh man like. to doing an Olympic clean to me is one.

of the great things in the world to be. able to just really hit one it's such a. full body exercise too it's such it's. like really enhances your ability to. explode anytime you're doing anything. where you're pushing up from your toes. from the ground and extending and. lifting it up over your head and forcing. your whole body to [ __ ] power that up. everything your whole chain your. posterior your your your all your your. uh your your core spine like all. everything your shoulder your delts your. your quads your toes your toes are.

pushing that's why like uh Steve Maxwell. is a big proponent of lifting weight's. Barefoot yeah he thinks that you know. when you have a like especially a spongy. sort of a like a running shoe on where. it's like a lot of give that you're not. feeling you know you're you're not. engaging your toes pushing off the. ground yeah I think it'd also take away. some of your Force some of the force. you're exerting it would kind of absorb. it a little bit I definitely they a lot. of the Olympic lifters around where I go. I go this place Bang Fitness in Toronto.

and it's just like it's the best part of. my week to go in there and um most of. the guys who Olympic lift just use the. tiny tiny tiny shoe like Soul yeah I. like those a lot of people criticize. those toe shoes you know apparently they. made a bunch of ridiculous claims that. aren't necessarily true I still like. them I love them for lifting weights. they're so comfortable for lifting. weights and again the same thing they're. really flat and they they make you feel. I like the fact that the toes are all. free moving because you can push off.

with those things you feel like your. connection to the ground but yeah I'm a. big fan of Olympic lifts I'm a big fan. of obviously of kettle bells I'm a big. fan of anything where you're doing these. explosive strength exercises they just. make your body so much goddamn stronger. just feel good doing them like that you. know talk about drugs or or whatever. it's like you get endorphins from doing. full body hey have you ever seen that um. on the internet these kinesiologists. broke down in like milliseconds Bruce.

Lee's 1-in punch mhm yeah SE is that. crazy and they show that it's actually. the order in which his body fires and. it's like the millisecond The Shred of a. millisecond in between the the different. body parts kind of firing one after the. other it's fascinating it is fascinating. you know I I used to be uh well I I'm. still am a huge fan of Mike Tyson but. one of the things that I used to always. be fascinated about Tyson that people. didn't comment on is the size of his. [ __ ] legs like that's where all the. power was coming from he was like. pushing off the floor constantly like.

pushing off the floor and just. everything was like thrusting from the. bottom and when you see a guy punching. you assume like oh it's his body his. upper body his arms are throwing the. punch but really with like a guy like. Tyson those vicious power punches it was. all coming from his ass it call from his. toes down pushing off and all his quads. and his upper body throwing it into it. it's amazing how much of that is in how. much of your your full body is involved.

in techniques well and kettle bells. Olympic lifts stuff like that that way. that that that the bottom half attaches. to the top half that strength in between. those two that's the big definitely the. big when you compete what we do you. compete at 135 whoa how do you make what. do you walk around at probably 158 right. now wow that's a lot drain yourself huh. yeah I mean when I was fighting for me. even at the beginning was trying to. figure out what's going on like really. understand it to the point that I can.

fairly analyze it and I really felt like. that I had to go in and do it also you. want to you become a better person going. and doing that you know pushing you. talked about it just today we you. pushing taking risks going in putting. yourself In Harm's Way putting yourself. at risk of failure I mean that's part of. it but really it's to figure out stuff. being forced to make heavy weight is. tough going to a weigh in and seeing guy. want to kill you that's all of those. experiences I think. it helped my real calling of analyzing. fights why did you decide to cut so much. weight it started out my first fight I.

probably walked around. at 145 lbs and then you cut weight and. your next fight you're 148 lbs and then. you cut all that weight and you come. back and you gain you're 150 PBS and. over I was also 39 when I took my first. fight now I'm 45 so over the six years I. gained three pounds a year just muscle. lifting lifting weights working really. hard changing my life from you know. eating burgers and [ __ ] and drinking. beer at lunch to working out twice a day. and and change all of that just added 3.

four pounds of muscle a year and each. time you cut weight after you've gained. the weight back you fought this and then. uh you know you've had your couple of. days to eat pizs and burgers and stuff. the weight that you are then is a pound. or two heavier than it was the last time. you were there really yeah at least it. was for me yeah at least so these guys. at least maybe in your 30s and 40s so a. lot of these guys you know they either. have a perfect and I was going to say. they have a perfect diet but a lot of. these guys celebrate the way that you. deserve to celebrate after you fought a. fight and they don't have a perfect diet.

right after but it gets that walking. around weights creeps up a little bit at. least it did for me well the lighter. weight guys ENT traditionally those have. been the guys that have the shortest. careers the lighter weight guys when. they get into their 30s it starts to. drop off whereas heavyweights in their. 30s a lot of times they're just hitting. their Prime you know like you can have a. heavyweight like look George Foreman won. the heavyweight title at 45 years old 46. and uh was the oldest heavyweight. champion was the oldest boxing champion.

until Bernard Hopkins recently which is. just the freakiest of freaks he's the. strangest guy ever he's amazing to me. have do you do you know him have you got. to know him no no no no I need to meet. him yeah I've never met him but I've. I've admired his style and I I just love. I was amazed back when he beat Kelly pav. which was like what was that like. 2007 or something like that you look. years later he's still blowing people. away wild it is wild um who's that. football player that was fighting in uh.

was it B Walker J 50 something you know. he was 48 when he was fighting in Strike. Force yeah right oh yeah strike force of. course shredded I mean he was godamn. shredded and just a beast at 48 and but. hersa Walker's something going on there. that's not Kosher I mean with his brain. because like he said say that he eats. like a salad and drinks a bowl of soup. in a day and that's it like that's not. even possible to keep that kind of mass.

well I mean we could get some doctors. and dietitians and they would 100% tell. us there's no way that could be true. right so when a guy tells you that all. he eats is a salad and drinks a cup of. soup every day like okay I don't know. what he's doing he might be [ __ ] with. people yeah I don't know there's. something not Kosher about that though. yeah it's weird but he's so yolked it's. also it's crazy to see that kind of. muscle mass on a 48-year-old guy like no. loss of muscle mass in fact like he. looks he looks like a 25-year-old guy in. his prime well the science I mean you it.

is not cool to suggest that somebody's. doing something but not talking about. him necessarily you mean performance. enhancing drug something but yeah the. science of many guys in their 40s 50s. 60s and 70s the science is there to make. a 65 I mean we've all seen photos of. those 7-year-old guys just shredding. look at Stallone yeah yeah exactly. Stallone is like 67 years old now and. he's ripped I wish I had his body no. crazy it's ridiculous it would be. fascinating to get a real one of these.

guys on the front end of anti-aging and. Human Performance that science to to. figure out like okay a bodybuilder uses. this much growth hormone a guy like say. an actor on CSI maybe uses like this. much you know like anti-aging how much. is this 70 how much is Stallone using. you know what I mean to get a sense of. where the chemistry is happening like is. this more Is this different. do you have the new [ __ ] that we don't. know about like what's going on at the. elite level like Stallone was I don't I. mean he's not an athlete so it's it's.

not a big deal but he was caught at an. airport once with a whole bunch of was. in Australia because it's illegal in. Australia they have weird laws when it. comes to hormones even hormones that are. prescribed by doctors that don't show. any negative effects on the body when. used at normal doses meanwhile they have. alcohol at every [ __ ] store you know. every bar cor crazy science is [ __ ]. weird medicine's weird it's ignorance. it's not the science or medicine that's. weird it's the ignorance when it well. it's no it's it's it's the essentially.

the people that are dictating the rules. the people that are writing the laws. they're ignorance about the. understanding the effects of on the. human body that these substances have if. if it's done correctly and if it's done. through proper medical supervision it. enhances the body and that's what people. don't understand when you arrest a guy. like Stallone who's showing up with. growth hormone and he's why don't you. just let him take a shirt off and look. do does he look bad per well he happy. his life is good what exactly going on. here well it's also it's not like he's.

competing in some sport we has some. unfair Advantage no he's an old guy who. wants to have a body that works good. sure and why is it okay that that old. guy could go to the bar and just do shot. after shot until his [ __ ] liver. collapses and no one stops that but you. have a problem with him bringing in. boxes of human growth hormone it's weird. it is weird it's for some reason people. when something happens that people. decide something is a law or bad or.

they've made a decision on something. takes forever to change it like even and. people are anti-science right they're. anti science so it's like You' go no. look this is why this is good no because. since the 60s we've said this is bad. therefore it's bad you well I think when. it comes to growth hormone and. testosterone and all these different. things where the real where people have. an issue is because the way it's played. out in the public eye has been all about. illegal use in sports it's been about.

the Barry Bond situation it's been about. Mark Maguire it's been about all these. people that are taking these things and. cheating in sports so because our. associations have been all about people. getting unfair advantages in sports. people automatically assume that these. substances are bad for you when you look. at cigarettes which are one of the worst. things for you ever no one's stopping. that from being legal those are. everywhere it's people that make. hundreds of billions Lobby to make that. stay legal you know like it's like I'm.

making1 billion dollars I got to get. some some government person to say. cigarettes is okay let's keep that cool. you know that's it's motivated by. Finance Commerce yeah but I mean I don't. that's why I don't understand I mean so. is you could sell testosterone too I. mean that could be motivated by Finance. as well it's just there's a big. difference between the way people look. at there should be a big difference. between the way people look at someone. who's doing something thing that's a. performance-enhancing drug that's. allowing them to compete in an unfair. advant with an unfair advantage in a. sport and doing it where if you're a guy.

like Sylvester Stallone and you're doing. it to enhance your life and you're 70. years old or whatever and you're. shredded like who gives a [ __ ] let the. guy do whatever he wants well what if. you know there's an element of trying to. let to keep a difference between the. people at the top and the people at the. bottom what if all the people at the. bottom got testosterone that would be. harder to manage them harder to kind of. keep them you know like the societal. difference between you know the. oppressed the people who are kind of at. the bottom of the food chain the people.

like the people who run [ __ ] the kind of. people who kind of monitor how the world. kind of works prefer to keep people. watching TV not really you know eating. bad food that there's smoking cigarettes. there's a direction to keeping some of. society not super active and those. people don't want those people to take. performance-enhancing drugs they want. them to smoke cigarettes and eat. hamburgers and [ __ ] I wonder if that's a. real conscious decision you know there's. that's a that's a a thing that gets. thrown around a lot that accusation gets.

thrown around that there's some sort of. a international cabal that's like. looking out to keep the proletariat down. but not not sort of so much saying that. there's some room somewhere where 20. guys are in there making decisions just. the feeling the the sort of the way that. Society kind of breaks itself up these. laws happen for this reason it keeps. these guys rich the way that Society. kind of divies [ __ ] out it kind of ends. up being that way I think it kind of. ends up being that way more than. anybody's trying to make it that way I. think that what what people have when it.

comes to testosterone and human growth. hormone and anti-aging and all these the. stigmas that people have on the whether. it's the efficacy of them or the the. dangers of them is a lot of it is based. on Sports it's a lot of is based on all. the negative press that we've heard. about guys taking steroids in sports and. then there's you know in MMA there's. this huge issue with testosterone. replacement therapy which was up until. very recently legal now um human growth. hormone has always been illegal but they.

were never testing for it until recently. when cha Sunny got popped for human. growth hormone it was a a big deal. because it let everybody know like oh. boy these new tests like I had a. conversation with Cha about it right. after he got popped he's like Well turns. out these new tests are really good you. know and that's that's really what it. was they're doing these tests that cost. $45,000 per athlete wow yep it's all. financed by the UFC Lorenzo pays for all. this [ __ ] and you know they're they're. testing I guess either do it or don't. and they're doing it and they're doing.

it they have this like really intense. chain of uh evidence where like the guy. will show up at your house take your. blood and it's like you know [ __ ]. suitcase he's got chained to his wrist. like it's one of those type of deals the. guy travels with it to wherever the lab. is like it's in his his custody the. entire time and they take the blood from. your body he signs off on it and they. bring it to the laboratory and then the. laboratory analyzes it and you're. finding you're there's they're going to. find out a lot of guys are taking [ __ ]. of course it's it's a really interesting. one it's such a large thing it's like.

people will try to talk about it in a. three minute Chunk on TV or write one. article about it but it's so it's such a. large philosophical thing right we have. to look back at what it means to strive. and want to succeed and want to win and. the desire to be great and all that I. mean [ __ ] we can go and and train at. elevation which will increase your you. know red blood cell count but you can't. take EPO which will do the same thing. and and for a lot of guys it's like you. know I want they want to be great and. it's like at the low levels or the mid.

levels guys are broke they you know. maybe it's not as vital but at the top. of it means five or 10 million dollars. and that chasing greatness has always. been there and this doctor's like I can. help you Chase great greatness that's. naturally instinctively there to go well. let's explore everything right you know. well that's where like the Bal guy came. in yeah right you know the Victor kte. guy who came along and came up with some. different strategies for avoiding test. some drugs that hadn't been detected yet. that they found were effective they sort. of manipulated the the components of.

some various performance-enhancing drugs. and that's where they got that stuff. they called the clear that they were. giving allegedly to Barry Bonds and a. bunch of different people and I had K on. the podcast he sort of explained the. whole process behind all that stuff he's. he's a fascinating cat because now he's. kind of working hard to stop doping in. sports which is like really a weird. position to take when that was your. whole career was like juicing up I think. I saw him on like dayline or something. yeah I mean talking recently I don't. know how I feel about that it's weird it.

is very strange but I also don't know. how I feel I mean these guys that were. on the testosterone guys like vtor vtor. is the poster boy right for Testo. because if you've seen the photos of him. now like pre and post is really crazy. yeah pull pull this photo of uh vtor uh. pre and post trt because uh you know. he's been saying you know I'm not on trt. anymore now it's just T and so then. Chris Wiman posts hold on is this what. happens when youl trt with TNT and he.

shows a picture of trt VOR versus the re. recent vtor who's off testosterone and. he is shrunken I mean he is really like. Luke rockold just said that he has a. chicken neck now I mean it's weird and. that's going to get to him well you know. what the easiest thing to do to get a a. guy in the gym a big like now that's uh. that's the wrong photos cuz that's a. photo of him before testosterone. placement and after what you want to see. is during and after Chris Weidman. comments on vtor Belford trt and look.

for a photo the guys will be like well I. didn't really need it it's like then why. were you taking it but yeah what do how. can you say that yeah of course and you. look at him but there's there's. definitely like all kinds of stuff at. play like that will dramatically affect. his confidence and his confidence how. you throwing spinning head kicks at a. guy because you got this level of. confidence I can do it that's not going. to just affect how he looks and what he. can do it well effect the way he. performs without question yeah shrink. that down so we could see the full image. yeah wow look at this look at his body.

like on the right hand side it looks. like he's lost at least 15 lbs yeah and. his neck and the swelling under his chin. that's crazy his neck is shrunk as traps. look at the difference in the left. picture like how high his traps are and. the right picture it's nuts I mean his. body is shrinking it looks so different. yeah it uh it's a strange one too. because you go into a gym with. bodybuilders you want to get a guy just. freaking out he he looks smaller.

today [ __ ] those guys especially but I. mean a guy's been walking around in the. world with the craziest body that you've. ever seen and now people online going. he's got a chicken neck that's going to. affect his choices from here it's a. tough place to be stay offline yeah yeah. for sure for sure yeah he's definitely. going to hear about all these things. that people are saying about him and. it's interesting because people are. saying like on the Underground people. are speculating like maybe this is going. to make vtor start using again and if he. does start using again then he's going.

to piss hot you know and it's all also. about like they're testing these guys. who's testing them where are they. testing them how are they being tested. you know is it going to come down to the. UFC has to show up at the gym every day. while Fighters training and have them. pean AUP every day I mean is that is is. what is the way to tell if a guy's. taking anything right because you can. the problem with urine test especially. because like guys would joke around. about it they would say it's not even a.

drug test it's an intelligence test you. that if you if you test positive when. they're testing your urine you're a. [ __ ] idiot because the all this stuff. like oral testosterone's out of your. system within 24 hours uh human growth. hormone is out of your system within 10. hours like you can't even test I don't. think human growth hormone without using. blood I don't even think you can test in. urine so these guys are getting that. were getting popped they were just doing. it completely wrong yeah so now that. there's this really stringent testing.

you got to think well guys are cheating. in the Olympics right if they're. cheating in the Olympics like how are. they getting away with it that's like. some of the most stringent testing ever. they're T because they know when they're. going to be tested it's a new protocol. yeah a new thing it's like okay at 3:00. in the morning you set your alarm you. take this one at three you know you. drink this many liters of something. before you do that yeah they'll find a. way I mean it's because because the game. is to try to win then try to win every. little scenario and the doctor who's. trying to fix this thing he's got a game.

to try to win too people are motivated. to try to do great things and this. doctor's assignment in life your. assignment in life well you have 20 uh. you know you'll make people laugh and. call fights and do a million things but. uh his his is to beat drug tests this. doctor this one doctor here his goal is. to go out there wake up tomorrow and. [ __ ] figure out how to win this. contest beating this test yeah I'm I'm. really curious to see what's going to. happen to these guys that were on.

testosterone replacement and now they're. off cuz cha su's retired he's he's out. of the business but vtor is still in it. and vtor is one of the few guys from. 1997 when he made his debut that is at. the elite level today in 2014 and is. ready to fight for a title so it's it's. really interesting really really. interesting but hormones are a weird too. I uh my thyroid burned out I and I never. thought of this until like this is this. how stupid like I grew up by a nuclear.

power plant like in this town called. pinoa Manitoba there's like a nuclear. research plant there and when I was. young my mom's thyroid went out and then. when I was in my 30s mine just ended up. dying as tumors in it and stuff they. fixed it up you take a hormone two. hormones that take uh your T3 and T4 and. the other one is U uh thyroid TSH. thyroid stimul mulating hormone those. three things go out of whack when your. thyroid is off you feel like [ __ ] like. you can't function when your hormones go.

out of whack like that so imagine. somebody I I don't know what it would be. like to have your testosterone at that. level but it's got to throw you the [ __ ]. out of whack yeah well these guys that. get off of it the thing is when you take. testosterone you put this artificial. testosterone in your body your body. stops producing regular testosterone so. if they had low test before it's even. lower now because your body stops taking. it you're injecting all the stuff into. your system and you know he's only 37. years old this it's a weird thing to. have like old man testosterone levels at.

36 37 years old and then to have to face. a [ __ ] beast like Chris Weidman. knowing that VOR Belford like when he. fought um Michael Bisping when he fought. Luke rockold when he fought Dan. Henderson all these guys he was on this. artificial stuff and it was making him. super confident he was built he was. strong he was. and now all that's gone and now he's. still got Tech and widman's a. [ __ ] he's like man you look at.

that guy you look at what he's a weird. one too like you don't even look at him. and think he's just a modern. amalgamation he's just genetically. better than us he's more handsome than. us he's funnier than us he's more. confident than us he's genetically. better than 97 99% of all men on Earth. and he learns fast and he's incredibly. driven and he grew up wrestling and just. the thing about wrestlers they just. spend their whole time dominating other. men that's all they're about growing up.

they dominate other men physically. that's who that guy grew up with then he. learns well he's got the best coaches. everyone believes in him like a guy like. that uh we called that he was going to. beat Anderson Silva he was in our studio. and we're talking to him and you talked. to this guy in advance and he [ __ ]. believed without a shadow of a doubt he. was going to beat him even turned down. remember this he turned down his. contract renewal and said no I'll beat. him and then I'll sign my new contract I. know I'll have to beat him twice. everything he said came true. everything yeah that's crazy and he did.

it all with his knees all [ __ ] up you. know a lot of people don't know he did. he couldn't even bring his heel up to. his ass like his knees were so arthritic. and then he went and got that regenicin. done in Germany and then after he had. that done he still had to get his knees. scoped but against leoto his knees were. great and now he's throwing kicks at him. and [ __ ] and it's he's he's a different. animal he's he's an unusual dude he. really is he can take it too that's the. other thing about widman like leoto. unloaded on him in the fifth round and. he was still there kind of ask him for.

more yeah fourth and fifth round when he. was at fight Network he had a couple. hours to kill till he went to the. airport and he was hanging out and RAM. deine started playing him in pingpong. and RAM deine was getting the slight. better of him he [ __ ] got dead. serious I want a better paddle I'm not. [ __ ] around here dead serious and. he's like I don't like to lose he's paac. still having fun he's still we're having. a great time but he did not not want to. lose that game it was not in him to let. this guy beat him at pingpong he's not a. pingpong guy even just is not having it.

just not having it there's a lot of guys. like that I played Jake ellenburger pool. once and Ellenberger who's a [ __ ]. stud he's not very good at pool and I've. been playing pool a long time and he's. [ __ ] every time I was winning he's. like [ __ ] [ __ ] damn it like you can see. like he was handling it but he didn't. like it you know like but that's the. quality that makes them great Fighters. that that unwillingness to lose. you know the the guy who wants to fight. you if you [ __ ] beat him at pinball. you know like that that's that quality.

that makes them a great fighter hating. losing yeah once you're getting at this. point where these guys are the top top. guys they have to have all of it they. have to have that quality they have to. have that genetics they have to have. those coaches they have to have that. mental game or else there's just no way. that's how good the whole level is now. and still getting better it's shocking. Ellenberger had that fight with Rory and. he's never been a [ __ ] talker and all of. a sudden he was talking all all kinds of. [ __ ] on Twitter and stuff and when he. got in there it raised that pressure so.

high that you know it wasn't that I like. I got to beat this guy it was I just. can't lose bad to a guy called a fruit. stick on the internet and the pressure. of it that's why when people were so. excited about Jon Jones and Daniel corm. I'm like this kind of although it's. great I love that people are into a. fight I love like that there'll be a. million more people than normally. watching a fight that's I love that. that's awesome but for me personally I. just want to see them fight they're. going to fight whether they hate each. other or not they're going to go in. there we're going to see 25 minutes or. less of these two guys putting together.

their life time of everything to fight. whether or not that guy hates that guy. isn't really all that relevant to me. yeah um I agree with you um I I was torn. on that whole thing because on Part of. Me loves the fact they're [ __ ] with. each other and getting into each other's. heads but I think that it it does it's. not a good representation of mixed. martial arts to see two guys who are at. the elite level have a street fight like. that I hated that I loved when they were. talking with no mic on cuz that was real. that was funny when J Jones puts the mic. he goes hey [ __ ] are you there that's.

amazing. him and then I would kill you I would. kill you I literally kill you I would. literally kill you John you think I. would just let you kill me yeah that's. come on D you can do better I'm a big. Cormier guy man I although Jon Jones is. absolutely brilliant but when they. fought each other on a stage I hated. that stupid like like two of the best. athletes in the world and that's the. worst fight I've ever seen I don't want. no part of that it's bad people are. going oh you watch that you work in that. business look at these idiots that's. terrible but when they were talking.

about each other with a camera on that's. real and there's so little real in the. world you [ __ ] win some some uh like. hip-hop award and you got to thank God. and your [ __ ] producer and you and. you know I just feel so blessed and I. want to thank the fans it's like [ __ ]. [ __ ] let me see what you say when. there's when there's not everybody there. yeah that's the thing about that getting. John and Daniel well apparently that. video was pulled yeah there was more. apparently when they said uh guys you're. uh on the internet I think again it's.

melshire might have that uh Hey guys uh. you know you're being shot this could be. around the world and and Jones's face. just went like holy [ __ ] he he was like. like he realized you know that was the. that's the best part I don't know why. that part didn't get shared well they. you know everybody's trying. to put up an image like John's his of. what happened when he first met Daniel I. was just trying to make a new friend. like what they both told the exact same. story only he said he I did this this.

this he did that this happened he was a. dick and I go yeah I did this this this. happened but I was just [ __ ] around. but it's they tell the exact same story. well D well he wasn't even saying he was. [ __ ] around he's like I was just. trying to form a new friendship like. what [ __ ] you were you're trying to let. some dude who's in your division know. that you're the [ __ ] King you ain't. taking me down you know he's like trying. to let him know he's trying to [ __ ] with. his head and let the gamesmanship begin. and that that stuff is a definitely a. lot that's all interesting cuz that's.

all real too that's all having a real. effect on the outcome of a fight all of. that mental stuff uh you know guys with. the weigh-ins how they act I mean you. you've seen the the science where they. looked at the smiles the W you know and. no there's a science to it these guys so. check that out on the internet these. these researchers these sociologists go. and they looked at hundreds or thousands. of UFC weigh-ins and they found that. guys who smiled lost an extremely large. percentage of them really yeah for real. for real and uh because that moment is a.

moment of the starting of the conflict. between the two males between the two. alpha males it doesn't start when the. cage chaus starts it starts when we're. setting the tone of who's who in there. and when the the smile is a giveaway of. a certain there's two kinds of smile. one's called a ches share smile and it. is a smile of I'm going to [ __ ] kill. you and that one doesn't count they look. at the actual types of smiles it's real. it's it's that one doesn't count no. because it's a different expression. there you know you can look at the. slivers of expression in in um in.

Psychology and what they mean and that. one means something different isn't that. fascinating the the difference in like. understanding the facial expressions. like human beings kind of get when. someone's creepy but like would a robot. be able to figure that out you know. study finds smiling Fighters are losing. Fighters but that's not always true John. Dodson Smiles every fight that's not a. good example he smiled before he [ __ ]. people up too the math you look at the. math and it's like whatever the numbers. are he may there are exceptions you know.

they might lose whatever 68% of the time. or 63 that's higher than the 50 that you. would think but that still means there's. 32% of other guys who smile and kick ass. it just shows that there is a a sway you. know in the statistical truth of that. right that's funny Donal Cerrone and. Anthony Pettis actually I did a. breakdown I'll send it to you of um of. uh what the impression of alpha male. posturing the Imp the effect that that. has on fighting so you know like guys. will stand there and they'll have.

project a certain posture there was a. research done at the uh University of. Harvard Harvard University about Alpha. posture and what happens if you're. interviewing me for a job and I have a. certain posture and they interview they. talk to you after you'll score me much. higher of your opinion of me also yeah. and that affects your when we go to. fight and I like Uriah Faber has that a. lot and he he projects a certain thing. and that will affect your performance. but the ma the science actually shows. that it affects his performance as well. because there's certain postures that.

when you do them your testosterone ra. raises a measurable amount and your. cortisol drops a measurable amount just. by doing a certain physical posture what. yeah it's real physical posture makes. your cortisol drop and your testosterone. ra well instead of testosterone therapy. why don't guys just posture all day some. guys do would that really work well it's. there's a few of them in a big one. somebody tell. yeah drive that [ __ ] all the way neck. will swell up again his traps it's a. Harvard research anyways and uh they.

they did it to measure your per your uh. biological responses to your own. physical posture but it also there's an. interpretation of the other guy so I. broke that down and then I took a piece. of Donald Cerrone standing there looking. over at Pettis and then I I superimposed. what Cerrone said after and he said I. looked across the cage at him and I. looked at him I thought dang I pissed. him off and he's coming hard and it was. the worst performance he's ever had and. he talks open Cerrone is fascinating cuz. Cerrone is a regular guy who deals with.

fear and uses it appropriately and he. talked about looking over and he. literally said I saw that guy and he. said after I knew I had to see a. psychiatrist like a sports psychi or a. psychologist because there's no way I. should be about to fight a guy and the. thing is going through my mind is oh man. I pissed him off never should happen but. it was in part the posture of of um. Pettis that projected that on them. that's interesting yeah all each of. these guys who wear red win a slight. percentage larger all of a sudden GSP is. wearing red every time really cuz guys.

are looking for one and 2% incremental. raises in there's certain guys anyways. why is red make you win more I don't. know I would but I mean Mike Tyson. always wore black yeah well Mike Tyson. was Mike. Tyson M go to we pink yeah [ __ ] that's. okay it's probably something that you. see in the wild when you see you know a. certain color in nature and it has an. effect on you. each yes yeah each of these things might. be one or two% in the end if you can't. [ __ ] fight it doesn't matter right if. you have the physical skills and you.

have the technique and then you add on. those other things yeah imagine you both. guys at the top level have all that they. both have the best strength and. conditioning on Earth they both have the. entire human history of fighting skills. they both have all the mental training. they have all that [ __ ] [ __ ] man if I. could get half a percentage of increase. on my side in any way let's stack up two. or three of those half percentages I. wonder what the red thing is that's a. weird one I it's true in all sports. sports teams that wear red have won a. slightly larger percentage of time than.

any other color really yeah wow why red. I don't know man this is the kind of. [ __ ] that fascinates you know they also. say that like red sports cars get pulled. over more yeah so it's something in. nature it's something that we probably. had to deal with as a threat. evolutionary well red is a threatening. thing like if you see an animal that's. red like a snake red you assume that. that's a a snake that could poison you. you know but like animals there's no red. predators are there are there but there.

might have been certain thousands of. years. ago at some point red is a winning color. fascinating so all they starts stacking. up all these Sciences so now I got years. worth of [ __ ] breakdowns I can do. just from all these things to reading. and looking and it's like you start to. combine them you know you got the The. evolutionary hand and you got the jaw. and you got red winning you got Alpha. posture put all that [ __ ] together what. the [ __ ] does that mean that's what I'm. doing with my life that's interesting. you know I also am fascinated and I want.

to bring this back to you um competing. at such a lightweight I'm fascinating by. the science of weight cutting and the. negative aspects of weight cutting this. is important part of MMA and uh one of. the best examples in my opinion is. Anthony Rumble Johnson Anthony Rumble. Johnson who fought at 170 for the. majority of the first stin of his UFC. career uh fought one fight at 185 with. vtor bord actually didn't even make the. weight was overweight got cut from the. UFC and then started fighting. heavyweight [ __ ] up Andre orosy as a.

heavyweight was destroying guys yeah in. the first round almost stopped him. really probably they should have stopped. that fight then uh fought in the. UFC as a light heavyweight two fights in. a row has just been a murderer Davis is. a world class dude couldn't take pH pH. Davis couldn't take him down and just. got battered on the feet and then. destroyed little nog in the first round. 40 seconds of the first round just lit. him up like a Christmas tree and looks. like the scariest guy in the world at. 205 lb when his first career was 35 lbs.

lighter than that that's crazy I. remember seeing him in Ohio and I was. sitting in the stands it was rampage. versus uh Keith Jardine and I was. sitting in the stand and there's these. pretty girls at the size of him yeah. what the [ __ ] is that amazing what fight. is that staple center probably uh was. that Phil Davis no it doesn't say it's. Anthony John. no that might have been him when he.

fought at 170 which is ridiculous crazy. but I saw him uh and there was these hot. girls and like eight UFC fighters walked. over oh hi great to see you and I was. like oh okay those are the Ohio chicks. right and Anthony walks over just to say. hello I don't know how or they might. have [ __ ] had a real job I don't know. I projected that on them because they. were pretty uh and he goes over at 170 I. turn to to my Budd and I'm like that. huge guy that [ __ ] enormous guy looks. a lot like Anthony Johnson and it was. Anthony Johnson and like 240 lbs when he.

was a 170 so but yeah I mean the weight. cutting thing I don't know how he did. that yeah I don't know he almost killed. himself probably doing it and I mean if. if we're talking about measuring things. that really work looking at the math of. like is this better than this okay great. you're eight pounds heavier than the. other guy that raises your let's say. your if we're going to score your. likelihood of winning it raises it 6%. well the point of diminishing returns. yeah what if it drops you 8% because of. the weight cut and stuff it's true for.

me I mean all of this was a learning. experience so I could be a real analyst. that's what I wanted to do so cutting. weight was an experience that I really. needed to have and understand it but it. just wrestlers did it they were good at. it wrestlers were beating everybody and. they were bigger and everyone else is. like we got to do this and I think. you're right I I I think you're. absolutely right we you got to see guys. get away from it eventually get away. from that huge weight well I wish guys. didn't cut weight at all I mean I really. wish they fought at no when everyone. made an agreement to fight at what you. weigh you know but everybody wants this.

Advantage but the problem is when both. guys are seeking an advantage and they. both try to achieve that Advantage what. you're actually wind up happening is. it's okay what you what you actually. wind up happening is you have both guys. that are fighting not to the best extent. of their abilities and so instead. neither guy has an advantage and both. guys are compromised yeah I agree yeah. and it's also dangerous when it comes to. Combat Sports the difference between. wrestling which is a combat sport but. it's not a contact sport in terms of.

concussive blows where you're dealing. with striking there's a big difference. almost all of the instances of uh of. brain damage and death that occurred in. boxing because of boxing matches were. lighter weight fights not brain damage. like accumulative heavyweight guys of. course got that as well but in fights. where guys like had bleeding on the. brain and then were and then wound up. dying almost all of them there was one. recent one that was a heavyweight bout. with Eric Perez fought a Russian guy and. the guy had some swelling of the brain.

and his career is probably over that was. just a prolonged beating unusual. situation whereas like boom boom manini. and duck kuk Kim that was a severe. weight cut um Gerald mclen severe weight. cut a lot of Fighters who wound up. having like horrible tragedies inside. the ring it was because they had. depleted themselves they dehydrated. themselves and then they got beat up. yeah if there's there's got to be a. death in you know a high level MMA one. day and and you'd have you would guess. that if there was dehydration in the.

brain that would add to it for sure a. guy died in Brazil from cutting weight. yeah yeah right right yeah yeah yeah. it's true it was liver or kidney failure. or something kidney failure which almost. happened to Daniel Cormier when he. competed in the Olympics he had kidney. failure and they pulled him out of the. Olympics yeah and that big weight cut. that guys do one of the tools they use. is um hyperhydration where you use like. a ton of distilled water to flush all. your sodium but it also is like a like a. a kidney trick where it's actually doing. tricking your kidney to perform a.

certain way it's really risky yeah I. think in the long run if everybody just. said yeah let's just fight out a Sam. Stout and KJ Nunes had a fight up in uh. in Quebec City and they just like two. days out they're like how much you. weighing man I'm weighing about 171 what. about you like 170 you want to just. fight at 170 and they just did it yeah. that's smart it is smart I mean why. torture yourself especially you're both. doing it yeah it just doesn't make any. sense if you're both walking around at. 185 and you're both cutting down to 170. fight at 185 you know you probably both.

fight better the the trick is that. everything's that arms race we were. talking about every everything is. somebody looking for an advantage to win. so we agree to do it but then I'm lying. and I actually cut 15 pounds and now I'm. way bigger than you you know what I mean. that until you find a way to make it. have to happen or make something that. both guys adhere to for some reason. that's safe this is this is way they're. going to do it yeah it's interesting. like BJ Penn has a weird way of looking. at things because uh BJ although he. dropped down to 145 pounds when he.

fought Frankie Edgar in this last fight. would not IV yeah and you know and Dolce. tried to get him to IV he wouldn't do it. he feels like IVs are cheating that's. weird yeah the IV is cheating but but. cutting weight's not cheating I know. it's weird so like dehydrating yourself. getting on the scale at 145 and then. drinking water is okay. yeah but putting it into you a different. route is not okay yeah there's something. about like needles it's not natural I. guess the idea I would agree I think.

most guys wouldn't agree he's a unique. one though man but a lot of debate over. in our office with a few friends and. stuff about his place in the world. personally like I think BJ Penn's one of. the greats ever for a million reasons. and other guy like certain people will. say well his record says this or he. never beat you know there's reasons to. that people argue it but I think the. biggest thing is. pure talent and one thing I think people. sort of forget you see a guy and you go. to a guy's back and you trap his arm in. there with the hook that's a BJ pen you.

take a guy on the fence and you turn. your body sideways and you elbow him. when you're defending the single that's. a BJ pen did we really see that at all. before he fought Diego Sanchez you know. when you when you got a guy in a. triangle but he hides his arm over here. and you pressure the straight armar. against your face until he gives you the. triangle that's a BJ pen there's all of. these things that he did that you. and uh and he I don't know it's a weird. one I mean at the very least he should. be considered one of the most beloved. fighters of all time well he's a great.

Fighter for sure and he's a you know two. Division champion he's a he's without a. doubt he's an all-time great um what I. think about BJ is that bj at his very. best was outside of his comfort zone he. brought in marinovich to do strength and. conditioning and he just got in this. unbelievable condition and when he. fought Diego Sanchez he was probably at. his best was just a destroyer and he had. incredible endurance I mean he fought. and you know was he had the same like. Pace deep into the fight that he did at.

the beginning of the fight and that's. what plagued BJ BJ's just extremely. extremely talented extremely game very. aggressive but didn't like to train hard. didn't like to push himself didn't like. to get outside I mean you know he'll. dispute that he of course he trained. hard but did he train the way he trained. when he was with the marinovic like he. would talk about how couldn't even hold. his kid at night because he was so tired. but that's what it takes to be at that. kind of level you know and he didn't. like that well and when we're sort of on.

this hand saying absolutely one of the. greats ever and the other side of the. debate that's one of them and another. one was I think his his choices his. career choices misunderstanding messages. that I think were given to him when. fighting and I think the biggest one he. fought Frankie Edgar and he lost and a. big thing in his brain was see he. doesn't cut weight he's the smaller man. and he's faster I'm going to go back up. to 170 and I'll be the Frankie Edgar of. 170 you know what I mean Frankie Edgar. at 155 him at 170 is theoretically his.

interpretation of the same approach I'm. the smaller guy I'm the quicker guy. enough with this other [ __ ] I'm just. better I'm going to beat guys and then. he fought guys like Rory and [ __ ]. Nick Diaz and these monsters there's no. way this 145 pounder should be in there. with Rory McDonald just size and. athleticism he should never been a 145. either I don't think I think he looked. like this skinny emaciated version of BJ. Penn when he was there I mean yeah you. can make the weight if you just don't. eat any food but then your body eats.

itself like that's not smart either the. and then him at 170 was not like Frankie. Edgar at 155 Frankie Edgar at5 is ripped. he's in shape he's moving fast BJ had a. role you know he looked pudgy he looked. soft he just didn't look like the same. guy and he fought well he's a very good. fighter but his physical his the the. correct weight for him I will always. think it's 155 lbs or if there was a 150. maybe you know if that existed well I. think 55 is fine you know when he fought. Diego Sanchez at 55 was perfect I think.

the issue was that BJ needs he needed to. be outside of his comfort zone he needed. to be away from that camp and be you. know with a Matt Hume type guy who. organized his entire Camp brought in. highlevel guys dictated his training and. took him outside of his comfort zone uh. yeah I but he also likes being in Hawaii. he likes training in Hawaii you know. there's a lot you know there's a lot. there there uh there's that 10,000 hours.

Theory right uh there's a couple of you. know uh guys who have done hard research. on this and one guy there's a book. called Talent is overrated and it's. buying that it doesn't matter what you. were born with if you outwork everybody. you'll be the man and the other one is. called the sports Gene right and it's. the opposite it doesn't matter how. [ __ ] hard you work if you don't have. that Gene you can't do it of course the. truth is somewhere probably in the. middle well the truth is most certainly. in the middle the issue is when you got. a guy who's got excellent genetics and. is working hard then you get a John. Jones you get a guy who has fantastic.

genetics and is super disciplined and. focused and trains very hard that's when. you get true Elite athletes like Jose. Aldo you get the elite of the elite when. you have the best of both worlds when. you got a guy who works really hard. buddy has [ __ ] genetics he will never. achieve greatness they just don't they I. think you could get close to it even. five years ago like we mentioned Florian. Florian doesn't have no jeans he was. just really smart and he worked really. really hard and back and look how close. he got close but not quite there because.

he just didn't have the genetics to do. it but he sure as [ __ ] got close for a. nerdy little cat from Boston well he. didn't have terrible genetics I mean he. was fast he had good kicks he had great. Jiu-Jitsu you know it's just these Elite. of the elite the BJ Penn guys the guys. who just he they have that little. something extra you know these these. Leota machas these you know there's. there's guys that just have they have. everything they have genetics like. Weidman genetics and hard work and focus.

and mental toughness and breeding his. family was good his family took care of. him pointed taught him the things he. needed to learn like he had all of it. his dad was an NFL player you know so. it's like those genetics are strong you. know that's that's all a big thing and. also I think growing up with Brothers. there's a lot of Fighters that grow up. with big brothers and they're used to. fighting in the house all the time and. those guys wind up being [ __ ]. man like Matt Hughes Matt Hughes and his. brother his brother was a mirror you.

know he's got a twin brother who's also. a Savage and they beat the [ __ ] out of. each other all the time and when you. have that sort of an environment man you. just you you're extra tough you're extra. strong Jon Jones He two super athlete. brothers and one of them is just so big. 340 he weighs. 340 and he's. you see this gu that's crazy that's not. human certainly not if you came from. outer space and you look down and you. saw a pitbull and a chihuahua you.

wouldn't think those were the same. animals you saw me and Jon Jones Big. Brother you wouldn't think we're the. same thing exactly you would like just. be like oh look there's two different. kinds of stuff this one's small and this. one's 340 yeah Bridget the [ __ ] and. Shaquille O'Neal they're two completely. different things yeah but they're the. same species yeah there's there's. genetics that are just undeniable and if. you got a guy who's got those fantastic. genetics and he is in just engrossed in. MMA I mean his b his his body his mind. his Focus he lives it breathe it eats it.

sleeps it gets up in the morning and. thinks how do I get better that guy's. going to be better than you yeah there's. and also there's physical power. especially when it comes to striking. physical power when it comes to striking. is something you either born with or. you're not Dominick Cruz is not born. with it he breaks his hands all the time. and his his his body's kind of fragile. in a way he's got the mind. yes but will he be able to beat a guy. like bar will he able to be able to beat. the guys who have the genetics and have.

that physical power as well there's. these guys that have that knockout power. that's Anthony Rubble Johnson this is. there's a god-given gift the world has. given him a hand of cards and it is. excellent and then you put him with. Henry hoof has a god-given gift to take. guys like that and make them better and. now we're now we're terrified it's. [ __ ] scary and man there's so like. the beauty of how he moves is like I I. trained with a guy Evan Boris who's a a. kickboxing coach who trained with Henry. he was one of the guys carrying his.

bucket and learning from him and he's. just as passionate young guy up in. Toronto and uh he tells me all he gives. me insight into how Henry thinks and you. know tries to show me stuff to um you. know in through Henry's eyes so you feel. like you're learning you know one step. down from this this master right and so. his thing is with a guy like Anthony. Johnson is that Henry hoofed. is will say to him you know you got to. um be ready if you are ready you don't. got to get ready that's the essential. fundamental uh plan of Anthony Johnson.

the way he stands and the way he moves. is at all times you're in a in a type of. balance where you can deliver power cuz. you have power and we just need to keep. you in a spot where you can deliver it. all the time so his taked down defense. revolves around that the way his. footwork Works revolves around that it's. all built so that at any moment in time. when you throw a punch you're in the. state to be able to smash with it cuz. you're you have that gift yeah and also. when you see a guy like Hof or anyone. who teaches that classic Dutch style of. kickboxing it's such a technical style.

and that style can be lost on someone. who doesn't understand what's going on. is that every movement has a purpose. every technique has a purpose every. technique chains into another technique. the left hook leads to the right low. kick and all these these techniques they. go together like bread and butter they. just they they they're they're a part of. a system you know and Dwayne lwig is the. best at breaking down assist like he's. got books like he was over my house the. other day and he had all these books of. detail all his techniques and how they. interwine together and what's he has.

steps and levels and he has a whole belt. system based around these techniques I. mean he spent countless hours analyzing. and and and and categorizing and putting. all this stuff together and that's. what's sort of lost on a lot of people. that you illuminate very well with your. breakdowns thank you I appreciate that. man I can't tell you like how when when. I wanted to do that I wanted to do it. for people like you and bang lewig and. Fighters and and people in the I wanted. them to like it you know what and it. [ __ ] means the world to me that.

people like it well you break down. Jiu-Jitsu too you broke down Eddie's. match with oer yeah yeah Jiu-Jitsu is. something I trained a lot for a while. and then I was in an environment where. like I was literally in one day heel. hooked by like three guys who intended. to injure me like it was a really bad. environment you rolling with yeah not a. a rat but but it was like you know. people and there were just guys in the. gym but there was a little culture of. guys like who's that [ __ ] guy wears. makeup he's on TV he thinks he's a. [ __ ] and they like came after me one. day and so I started and they were.

trying to hurt you purp going for heel. hooks specifically two of them were. specifically heel hooks for the purpose. trying to in me one day wow and later I. heard I'd been you know heard from a. number of people that that was a bit of. Theo of a couple anyways it's one of. those things it's like so I kind of got. away from it for a while and then uh uh. I started reading Eddie's books actually. I'm going to train at his place tomorrow. night Eddie yeah and I was I trained. last time I was in LA I trained over. there [ __ ] you take one class with Eddie. Bravo and your whole understanding of.

everything you think you know about. Jiu-Jitsu the whole thing [ __ ] falls. apart like it's F it's so crazy that you. sit there and it's like these are. positions people use you know whatever. we take 10 or 15 of them and the guy. goes and in between as you know. obviously in between each of those. there's an entire universe of of stuff. to do in between the the positions that. people already know as positions entire. world's you know yeah Eddie has done a. fantastic job of not just incorporating.

his own techniques but incorporating. other people's techniques into his style. as well and just spend just like Dwayne. countless hours analyzing positions and. using them in the lab using them in the. gym and using them with highle guys and. figuring out like a guy in his gym will. come up with some new variation on a. specific technique and then they'll add. it to the rotation and they'll drill it. and then they'll try from another angle. and yeah yeah I remember when I was. there just that one time and I had. trained with Eddie we met in Toronto one. time I took him out for a bunch of.

drinks and it was fun he's a really cool. dude it's really cool to be have a buddy. like that and I have him invite me to. his gym and and stuff and uh he uh you. know I I got his books and you know you. see okay I under mission control I make. sure you got the leg locked you know. invisible collar D dclaw all that kind. of basic stuff you read a little bit. about his Basics read a little bit about. twister side control and the Twister and. then you think you have an idea of what. what the Eddie Bravo system is if you. read that like I thought well in the.

world the guys who know about about MMA. I think I know you take one class with. them you don't know [ __ ] anything. like there was something we did from. some truck position and my first. curiosity was I need to know how this. guy's brain thinks like why he thinks. these how he comes up with this [ __ ] cuz. there was something that felt a lot like. a lock down position from another angle. upside down while holding a leg okay. well his brain well there's a lot of. techniques you can reverse the positions. of the bodies and just say like well if. I I'm on my back I get a guy with a.

triangle what happens if I'm not on my. back but I'm on his back and I'm behind. him and then I can I can I triangle. there yeah it's kind of the same thing. the arm is there it's like um remember. when mat Hughes choked out Ricardo. Almeida yeah yeah that front choke and. that they tped up with his head I think. and that's essentially an arm triangle. but it's arm triangle from a completely. different position from a head-to-head. position it's a weird thing but it's the. same position it's still choking off the.

neck on one side with the forearm and. then with the neck with your own neck. and your own you know your own body. pressing against it on the other side. and there that element of wrestling that. where that was sort of a bulldog kind of. wrestling kind of stuff and Sh headlock. yeah yeah yeah and the the weird like to. either in the moment or have trained it. either one is amazing to F out that the. angle of elevating your hips so high. drove that extra thing like all those. little elements made it beautiful but uh. you have a black belt under Machado as. well yes that's [ __ ] crazy yeah you.

have two you have a ghe black belt and a. black belt in system well I started. training in '96 you know W and so when. you were training in '96 and guys would. say oh there's a purple belt coming. through town everybody was blown away. back then right like was that the level. no no not '96 in '96 um well there was a. few purple belts I mean I started out um. um Carlson Gracie's I I took one class. at hixon's see back then in '96 I didn't. know that there was a difference between. Carlson Gracie and hickon Gracie it was.

just Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and the only. reason why I went from Carlson's to. Hixon that Hixon was all the way across. town Carlson's is like much closer to me. it was like a 20-minute difference in. the drive so I just started going to. Carlson's and that was when vtor had. just made his debut against John Hess. and they were actually calling him. Victor Gracie and uh I even accidentally. referred to him as Victor Gracie during. one of the uh things that I did for the. UFC in 1997 UFC 12 when I first started. working for him baby face that's [ __ ].

UFC 12 yeah think about that man how. long You' been doing that I said I've. said this a few times I don't know if. you probably don't realize it because. when you're in stuff you don't you often. people that are driven don't often pause. to look and be proud of what they've. done maybe hopefully you do that but. that you actually invented this the idea. of commentating the which is very. different than any other one and there's. so many things that people you think are. just terms but they're terms that you. said do you know what I mean things that. you said that are common descriptive.

things they think they've always existed. but they didn't exist before you said. them in a lot of cases and that's really. a wild thing the influence in how people. observe this great Sport and how big an. influence that is well I I definitely. don't think about it but the the. difference between this Sport and a lot. of other sports is that this sport the. play byplay guy is not the play-by-play. guy the color guy is the guy who's the. expert the martial arts expert. essentially has to be the play-by-play.

guy as well because he has to break down. the subtle nuances of positions to. people that are watching at home. especially when it comes to the ground. there's a big issue with explaining. Jiu-Jitsu to people that don't know. Jiu-Jitsu so they can enjoy it because. if someone doesn't know like why is that. guy hurting like what's what's what's. going on there UFC W what happened there. exactly there's especially when it comes. to the ground game there's a bunch of. positions that need to be illuminated so. when when fights are happening I'm. calling like I'm doing a play-by-play.

SLC color job like I'm als I'm I'm. giving like if you watch Boxing the. color guy will say you know they'll sort. of. like give you like an overall assessment. of what's going on but Jim Lampley who's. the play byplay guy will explain like. the shots that are landing and this and. that that's. the guy will say Wells do what and he. says the how and the why and when I. worked with Morrow I did like a few. dozen shows with moral and uh he uh.

explains to you that in his case he. knows it so he will do the what and your. job is the how and the why so when you. do color with Morrow it is he does it. old school which is why he's so natural. at boxing right you know he transitioned. into boxing so naturally because he was. a a an play byplay guy but the odd thing. and I'm a [ __ ] fullon moral fan and. he had a huge influence in helping with. a lot of stuff but because if you're a. play-by-play guy and you're not really.

obsessed if you're not deep into it you. will start to get certain things where. you are missing out on stuff so he might. say you know uh he's on his back why. doesn't he put the hooks in well he. wants to ride heavy on the hip he. doesn't want the hooks he wants to ride. you know and so you start to sort of. project what you think is next and. that's why why when you do color you're. saying what is happening and what might. happen well there's a difference between. Morrow doesn't train right he's not a. black belt he doesn't you you you have.

to be I really believe that you have. well I don't know if you have to be a. black belt but you have to be a. highlevel Grappler to understand the. nuances and you've I think you also. should have some competition in your. life some form of it where you. understand the psychology behind. competing rising to the occasion what's. going on in that moment when you see a. guy who's breaking you know you can you. can learn a lot by watching but I think. doing is really important and critical. when it comes to breaking down jiujitsu. um I've seen like I was watching a pride.

the other day and someone uh one of the. guys it wasn't boss it was whoever he. was doing it with was um talking about a. position and it was saying that he. couldn't choke this guy out because the. arm is in on the guillotine like he. didn't at one time guys didn't know but. that's hilarious I know it's crazy but. what time was that it was like 93 like. people knew. that Armen Guillotines were legit so. like watching this this was clearly a. guy who doesn't gra I think it was. quadros who a guy who doesn't grapple he. doesn't understand and he's just going.

on his limited uh Book of Knowledge but. it's not based on it's not an extensive. comprehensive like Encyclopedia of of. training and knowledge and of being. obsessed with Combat Sports for sure uh. chll I worked with too and [ __ ] is that. guy fun he's great he's so [ __ ]. he's such a good dude and he's having so. much fun and trust me and like if if Mor. hears me talking about him and he thinks. I'm being critical it will hurt him he's. a [ __ ] very tender dude but I'm not I.

think maro's a [ __ ] genius I think. he's killing boxing I think he's. absolutely killing he's amazing he's. great at glory too he's a good dude I. like Mor and he really does love. fighting you know it's just what we're. saying is just there's a reality of the. difference between a play-by-play guy. and the color expert position yeah and. that's why he's such a good play-by-play. guy and uh and just you know he can call. it and you're right the expert color is. what's really going on if you you know. if you were in this place what would it.

feel like you know I think that guy on. the couch he doesn't know what it feels. like even just have a guy drive his. shoulder under your face to turn your. sideway you do know what that feels like. it's [ __ ] terrible and you got to. take care of that before you take care. of any other thing it's in there certain. positions like like the Von flu choke. remember when OSP fought um Nikita Koff. and he uh choked him out with that Von. flu choke and like a lot of people. didn't even know what the [ __ ] was going. on but because I've been around for so. long I've seen that choke before when I. remember when Von flu started doing it. on people and then we started trying it.

out in the gym really [ __ ] oh that's. so cool man seeing history like that. being cuz that like you know there's a. big difference between then later going. what was that oh it's a Von flu choke. and going oh yeah I remember when fck. when Von flu was in the gym doing it. that's [ __ ] cool well there was also. a scene recently where someone was. trying this old old boss Rootin neet. crank boss rutin has this like fireman's. neck Crank that he would do side on yeah. it's like from from like almost like he. has a head on one side and the leg on.

the other side he tries to connect the. two of them together and boss used to. tap guys with that boss is a [ __ ]. physical Beast you know he's such a. specimen but somebody tried it in a. recent MMA fight and I remember in the. middle of the fight going I've seen this. before where what [ __ ] choke it's. like you never see that technique then. all of a sudden it's there it didn't. work but it could you know when I was. talking about Pancras boss was the other. guy that it was like he's walking in the. ring and you looked at that and it like. you didn't want to be in there with this. guy like you see the boss in pancr that.

would have been as terrifying a human. being as anybody had ever seen though. with the intense City that's what I. thought about him and Evan Tanner these. guys were kind of competing and then him. and Evan Tanner came in there and they. just [ __ ] went crazy like they just. put it on people like they put a level. of hurt on people that would have been. terrifying had you never that before. well boss was the first like really. highlevel striker in in MMA I feel like. boss was the first guy if you watch his. pancreas fights he was blasting guys.

with kicks like you he hadn't seen. anybody kick that hard before it was. more about jiujitsu before then I mean. you had like Orlando vit who was like a. high level kickboxer was in the early. UFC's but he was only like 165 pounds or. something like that it was a small guy. and he got manhandled by Grapplers you. know he fought um uh what was his. [ __ ] name the big Judo black belt guy. um His Name Escapes me yeah he wound up. fighting the the same guy W of fighting. Marco HOAs and Marco HOAs mounted him.

and he tapped when Marco mounted him. because oh yeah yeah fear tap from well. it was also because he thought that the. position was lost like once a guy got. you into that position yeah and for him. it probably was for him it probably was. he probably didn't have an answer for. that so it's like I can tap now or I can. tap after you hit me six times or can. tap if you hit me 20 times or I can go. unconscious yeah yeah there was all a. lot of like [ __ ] back then too where. people didn't know that you could get. out of positions and he thought that.

when you you got into a position like. that was it it was over you know must. have been a wild time in the '90s to be. training that and and uh because it was. foreign to people like if you told. somebody you were training Jiu-Jitsu did. they know what the hell you were talking. about no they didn't know what it was. Remco paru was the yeah I think we might. have called that one recently remember. he fought Orlando V and got him inside. control and blasted him with elbows he. was in that Judo side control holding. the head there and just boom elbowed him. unconscious yeah that was fascinating.

fascinating fascinating just watching. those guys like watching that sport. evolve like that to like in the. beginnings were just people trying their. style out and finding out that it didn't. work at all like remember there was that. Ninja guy who fought Pat Smith yeah and. doing like those InStep kicks which kind. of Jon Jones kind of brought back like. if you have enough enough reach and you. know what I mean it's we but you got to. have all that other stuff too you know. these guys thought they were going to. kick you once and take your knee out and. you know well there's a lot of people. that say that you know hey man if we.

fought I'll just kick somebody in the. knee and take them out like yeah okay. really you really think that it works. that way cuz you know the guy tries to. not have you kick him in the knee not. only that he might see you winding up. and like going towards his knee what was. this [ __ ] doing like move his. knee out of the way and then you missing. things then you're all confused your. go-to move didn't work yeah and that's. sort of the thing you've seen it. definitely a guy goes in you know at the. low level is kind of where I get to. compete and call fights and stuff. sometimes brand new guys sometimes go in. their first thing in their mind this was.

going to knock a guy out the second that. doesn't happen they just didn't really. think from past that now it's scary and. horrifying place to be well I remember. Pat Smith fought recently in glory and. one of the things that really troubled. me before his fight he said I'm a one. round fighter you know like uh I fight. for one round you know this is I'm I'm. there to win or lose but it's go going. out in one round and I'm like you can't. say that that guy's only job is to. survive one round and he's got it well. not only that it's a crazy way of. thinking this fight schedule for three. rounds if the guy's exactly the skill.

level of you it's going to take some. time man like you can't I don't know why. he decides to do that I mean he's one of. those guys that like really likes to put. on a show really likes to have an. exciting fight and that's one of the. things we were talking about earlier is. these guys that sort of sacrifice. technical style fighting in order to. make things more exciting but in the. long run that's not good it's not good. for you it's not good it's not just not. the way to do it yeah and and it changes.

things like it that that idea that we're. the whole thing is going on to try to. figure out who's the best not to figure. out who's close to the best but the most. exciting or not to figure out who can if. we all agree that take down defense is. going to be the most important thing for. the next two years who gets good at that. and Landing right hands like it's not a. g it's not a worldwide game to figure. out who's the most exciting it's to. figure out who's the baddest dude on the. planet who's the best fighter in the. world yeah yeah and the only way you. find that is guys competing at their.

very best like using all of your like if. guys played chess and they just said you. know [ __ ] all this strategy and [ __ ] I'm. just going to get gangster with my Rook. like just you know I mean that's really. essentially the same sort of decision. making it doesn't work that way it's all. about using all of your talents your. mental talents your emotional control. your endurance all of those things. knowing when to push when to back off. managing your energy during a fight. that's a huge aspect of it as well.

managing your energy is absolutely. critical managing like when do you pour. it on when do you back off you know do. you have that under control like is that. taking care of itself out of stress or. out of fear or out of danger or because. he pushed you I mean you I talked about. one rounders Kevin randman was like. going to fight you for three minutes it. was going to be the worst hell of 3. minutes that you've ever had in your. life but if you could get past it you've. got a chance of beating him now you know. yeah there's a lot of those fast twitch. muscle fiber guys that just they have a.

lot of [ __ ] explosion in the. beginning but they just slowly wear. themselves out and then there's nothing. left at the end Tyron Woodley yeah is a. great example of that he hates it when. you talk about that I know tough [ __ ] he. it's it's important it's my job and I'm. a fan of his and I think that he's too. big I think he he carries too much. weight I mean guy's got he's got a. essentially he's running a race that's. an endurance race and he's got this. monster truck engine and he you know. he's getting two miles to the gallon but.

for that first two miles he's a. [ __ ] you know I mean Tyron is. one of the best athletes in MMA yeah his. wrestling his physical strength his. blitzes that blitzes remember what he. did too what's his name the thr bre Jay. her on [ __ ] and even Carlos ConEd in the. beginning you know condid like until. that leg went you were like how the [ __ ]. did he survive that Blitz that was crazy. well his his lead right hand is so fast. he's so fast so explosive travels we. talk about Hendrick and how he can close.

distance this guy even more so yeah um. but uh the what some I think athletic. guys will try to do is make it not an. endurance sport they'll make it a sport. of Sprints and Cals and Sprints and Cals. and Sprints and Cs and that would be the. way to try to be that athlete we haven't. seen anyone make that work but but I. think that's what guys are trying to do. is you know everything is a 30second on. and a 20 second recovery and fight that. way and you know and uh train that way. and train to recover that way but I.

don't I can't think of anybody we've. seen sort of make that really work yet. but I think that's how that level of. athletes trying to do it well it's also. CH suon uh had a comment on MMA and. about just the physical demands of the. body he's like the reality is that 25. minutes is too long he's like it's too. long to fight he goes you can't fight at. your best for 25 minutes so it all. becomes about managing when you when you. explode when you go after the guy when. you you know and for cha to say that.

especially I mean you think about like. his fight with Anderson Silva was a. crazy endurance test I mean he just went. after Anderson that first fight for four. and a half rounds just full clip took. him down it will just push the pace. constantly most likely was on EPO at the. time Le see we knew was later yeah you. um and still you know that's his. thoughts is that it's just too long it's. just too long there except for a guy. like Mighty Mouse yeah which is crazy.

why it's a 130 lbs you know 125 lb guy. does not have the same requirements when. it comes to gravity and you know there's. nothing pulling on them yeah that book I. was telling you about that I'm in the. process of reading that um rise of. Superman they talk about how some of. these guys in these states a lot of the. analysis is guys in skateboards the guy. in the skateboard who jumped over the. Great Wall of China and guys who are. flipping and and uh downhill skiing and. stuff that they start to believe that. gravity applies to them differently you.

know what I mean they start to take. action as if gravity does not apply to. them the same way I mean look at these. guy jumps the the [ __ ] Great Wall of. China on a skateboard part of his belief. when he's in the state to to try this is. he has to suspend reality to even. [ __ ] give that a go cuz any normal. person looks at that and go there's no. [ __ ] way I can jump the Great Wall of. China on a skateboard but this guy has. to put himself into a state where that. truth becomes not. true yeah [ __ ] up strange I know right. how does that work I don't know that's.

so crazy but he this guy you'll like the. book a lot man the guy Compares certain. psychedelic trips he looks at how that. also Alters the brain chemistry and. those times where people are at one with. something where they've actually they in. some ways reality is just that thing we. each have and yours is different now. yours is different in the moments where. you bring these the brain chem this. brain chemistry together in a state of. flow and when you're in that state your. reality is different and if your reality. is different maybe the [ __ ] you can jump. the Great Wall kind of makes sense right.

because isn't reality in a sense. subjective in that like how you feel. about a moment changes what that moment. means to you so it changes your reaction. to that moment and I think that like. those guys that do that Park parkour. those guys have to be like that too that. is exactly right I mean how the f do. that those guys are nuts man but they I. mean you hesitate for one second you die. that's and that's the same with those. flipping motorcycles same with free. climbing [ __ ] Mount whatever you you.

get it you create a state where if you. do not believe for one moment you're. dead not well [ __ ] I lost a fight or oh. man that cost me some money death yeah. death and these guys you know and some. of them will say I could spend months. learning how to spend 20 minutes of yoga. to get a t of that state for a second or. I can put myself on a rock face and have. it for three hour hours out of necessity. and that's and that's what some Fighters. are doing that's I mean all the top guys. are operating in that state all of them.

yeah Rock the rockface thing is really. interesting isn't it when you see those. [ __ ] Alex honold crazy [ __ ] and. they climb up these things free climbing. it's almost like a different animal like. human animals walk around sometimes we. swim and stuff we don't do that no you. know well he does but he's a human I. mean it is it's essentially like putting. your focus into something and taking. that something whatever it is to the. highest level that's possible and the. mind is a big part of it mean he was.

talking about how when you're um when. you're rock climbing I had him on the. podcast he was talking about rock. climbing that when you're you're doing. it you're really pretty chill you goes. you you don't you don't really feel. crazy unless something's really wrong. right he goes most of the time. everything is really calm and really. chill and you just sort of Zen and. you're just this this is what you're. doing and you're just going through it. and you're putting the the powder in. your hands you're sticking your hands in. cracks and you're just pulling yourself. up he goes then you kind of get to the. top yeah for hours yeah and doing [ __ ].

that in his case doing else does finger. and stuff well I don't think they do. that too much they try to just crawl you. I think those jumping up guys are. [ __ ] nuts but it's all levels of nuts. yeah well you know there was a a piece. that they did in one of those television. shows where talked about Alex where this. guy who was also a free climber was like. look it's a matter it's not a matter of. if he's going to fall it's a matter of. when he's going to fall and he's going. to die when he does and you know this.

guy's kind of freaking you the [ __ ] out. but then you talk to Alex about it. you're like man maybe not I don't know. if he's gonna fall this [ __ ]. might just keep doing that I mean he's a. guy Alex Honnold that just that's what. he does he lives in his van I mean he's. got a van with all these like drawers in. it with this is where I put my. toiletries this is where put my. underwear he's got like this this is he. has a bed in the back of it he sleeps in. the bed and then he just climbs. everywhere [ __ ] that the guys who get to. that point of of human performance.

there's a level so weird we discourage. uh obsessive compulsiveness you know we. discourage it I'm sure there are D. damaging things about it but I mean you. tell me that [ __ ] guy isn't the. extremist version of that and yet it's. been focused in a way that stretches. Human Performance yeah yeah I think. there obsessive comp impulsive is almost. the only way to achieve greatness yeah I. don't think there's any other way I. don't think you can be like this really. relaxed like hey easy come easy go you. know no big deal no you have to be a.

[ __ ] Maniac it's all about how much. Focus you have on that goal how much. intent you have on that action and if. you if you're not completely obsessed. I've always said that greatness and. Madness are next door neighbors and they. borrow each other's sugaru cuz you don't. you don't get there without the other. you have to be I know when I was. competing when I was at my best when I. was a four-time state champion in. Taekwondo and I won the US Open and a. bunch of other tournaments I was crazy. that's all I did I would train in the.

middle of the night because I knew that. no one else was training I used to have. the keys to the gym so I used to go to. the the dojang is what the Koreans call. I used to go there at 2:00 in the. morning cuz I had the keys and I would. train knowing that no one else was. training and that was like I felt like I. had an edge that way and because I I. seen Mike Tyson talk about how he would. run when everyone was asleep because he. think he felt like his opponent was. sleeping so that felt like that gave him. an edge so you know I would like that I. and that kind of insanity like I didn't. have anything else going on in my life.

everything else I was a loser in but I. knew I was really good at taekwondo so. that was what I I was I sucked at. relationships I sucked at work I sucked. at school I sucked at everything except. Taekwondo so that became my 100% of my. focus and I know I was insane at that. time I know was something there was. something wrong with me is a terrible. way to live your life unless that's your. only goal the scary thing is let's say. there's you know 10,000 guys who are. living that way at anything comedy [ __ ].

fighting anything only one of them is. actually we're going to get the 10,000. most obsessed and we're going to find. out who the very best most obsessed or. Gene you know what I mean the genetics. and the obsession must come together. they're in The Perfect Storm because if. you're competing and you have the same. amount of obsession as some Jon Jones. character [ __ ] that guy's just too. goddamn strong too big like you see guys. like get in there with j and then when J. locks up with them and then sends them. flying through the air they realize oh.

there's another level to this thing when. he almost took off T's arm that must. have been [ __ ] terrifying he's been. in there with Chuck Lial and every great. fighter at 205 pounds over the last 10. years of not losing and training every. day and this guy does this to him tears. his shoulder apart in the first round. with some new move that he had been. thinking about doing John had just been. thinking about it John is so brilliant. in his ability to improvise In the Heat. of battle like he saw that Glover was. loading up so he decided to stand like.

right on top of him and then he would. anticipate he would feel him loading up. and then avoid those shots and counter. with elbows in tight and he was [ __ ]. Glover up in the place where Glover. thought that he was going to dominate. yeah and he went in there and the things. that just he never even planned to use. but a lifetime of Greco Roman playing in. there had all oh [ __ ] I win this. position [ __ ] it we're going to we're. going to win it here then well that. loose underhook that was what allowed. him you know Glover had this loose. underhook so John just wrenched it just. y yanked on it with the overhook and.

tore his shoulder up man and it must. have been mentally freaky too it's like. what the hell am I in here with I. thought I was just in here with a guy. punches and kicks and chokes like the. rest of us right and what is he doing he. tearing off part of my body well John is. just he's always adding new wrinkles. like John is the first one of the first. guys to really get good at that front. leg s kick to the thigh MH I mean he's. really and even downward angle too. because he's so tall yeah well and also. he's shooting down at your knee um and. John John dropped vtor with a front leg. Sid kick to the body you know those.

those long legs man have such a huge. Advantage we only measure reach with uh. with arms in MMA because we have this. goofy system where all we do is copy. boxing because it's such a young sport. we copy boxing when it comes to reach we. copy boxing when it comes to the. 10-point must scoring system both things. are woefully inadequate when it comes to. MMA but a big one is the reach of kicks. for sure because JN can kick you from a. a range where you can't even touch him.

and he's hitting you with his best. weapon yeah mean from the an outside. distance that he owns and your only way. to get past that is to go through that. come on that's it's barely fair and his. legs are so much strong everybody kicks. harder than the punch everybody does and. John's an excellent kicker so he's out. there kicking the [ __ ] out of you and. you can't even touch him and what are. you going to start doing you're going to. start doing what Rashad did try to clear. out of that range you can't I mean you. the way to handle it if it's humanly. mentally possible is to pass it and get.

in there but he's training you the way. you touch an element you never touch it. again he's doing that with his [ __ ]. kick in front of you also I think it's. fascinating that Jon is now at this. level where he's been the champion for. several years now and he's very. confident and he's also used to these. Championship contests he's used to the. bright lights he's used to the big EV it. becomes a part of his every he. understands that experience very. intimately so when he gets in there his. championship fights with a guy like. Glover this is The Big Show for Glover.

holy [ __ ] this is it and for John like. here we go again and here we go again is. very different than oh my God this is it. here we go again as a much more. comfortable place cuz every other time. I've been in this place I won people. went crazy I made a bunch of money and I. got even bigger oh I'm in this place. again okay yeah and I love that his uh. his attitude after the Guston fight like. his attitude was I've always been asking. for a dog fight and I got what I asked. for you know and this is a blessing yeah. and it's and you know it is because you.

don't know if you're just wrecking every. guy well what happens to one day where I. can't wreck you for four rounds well now. he knows he knows what happens he. [ __ ] wins yeah he D dug deep that was. one of the most important aspects of. that fight is that he faced a guy first. of all with the same sort of physical. advantages that he has a guy with a. really long reach a guy who's an. excellent striker a better smoother more. efficient Striker than he is who took. him down conf added confusion to the to. the equation yep did something. unpredictable and then on top of that he. still won you know and then man I was.

really looking forward to that rematch. it was a bummer when gipson hurt his. knee but what's interesting is gson hurt. his knee they canceled the fight but now. John hurt his knee but the Cormier fight. is still on yeah well it's run by. Commerce I mean we have to we're in the. business I don't UF what's the bigger. fight though in your opinion well I'm. more they're both pretty [ __ ] good. both pretty [ __ ] good I think they're. both tens yeah cor is so fascinating.

because we haven't seen it you know you. see all you got to do is Flash up what. he did to Dan Henderson throwing him up. in the air no one's ever done that to. Dan Henderson you got and then you got. all this heat that gets regular people. excited but I mean what happens when a. guy got that close and guston's. confident he's he believes he's going to. win this time he thinks he's learned. some things like that's real you got to. do them both but I think you got to do. the one that the people are most excited. about which is the one where guys fight. on a stage and then say they're going to. kill each other off I think that's now.

it's more exciting it's like almost like. when when Daniel Cormier grabbed Jon's. neck and threw him back he ensured that. that fight was going to take place yeah. you know cuz you know if Guston got knee. surgery and Jon can't fight until. January well Theory we should go back to. that yeah in theory that should be the. fight but everyone is so so hyped up on. the the Cormier fight now but you know. Cormier went into that fight like he. agreed to that fight with a pre-existing. injury that he was pretty vocal about he. has a partially torn ACL he's got an MCL.

strain or tear in his MCL and he's you. know now he has more of an opportunity. to rehab it but when you have a. partially torn ligament like especially. an acl ligament I don't know how much. rehab you can do yeah you AR you either. get the surgery or you live with it in. that whatever 75% State it's in until. you get the surgery I think it's a 50%. State I think it's 50% torn all three of. those guys it's knee issues I don't know. if that's a 205 thing it's a height. thing it's a wrestling it's a wrestling. thing wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu and well.

like I mean even kickboxing you're going. to have knee issues but just the the. knee sucks it's a shitty design shoulder. suck well it's not that they suck it's. the human body is not designed for MMA. not for that especially not for. Jiu-Jitsu I mean Jiu-Jitsu is all about. testing the boundaries of your joints. Plata guys over sh supposed to do that. supposed to do that yeah you and then. there's a few guys like Keenan Cornelius. that have just unbelievably ridiculous. flexibility of their joints like what is.

that from is that from straining them. all the time and testing like you know. pushing the limit yeah like in theory. how do you stretch your neck you add. those circles if you're you know or you. stretch your lip or whatever right can. we do that with with ligaments and soft. tissue I guess they can well look at. hoer Gracie when he fought Eddie I'm. going to tell you something I've been in. that position before before you know. that is a brute when Eddie had that leg. and he was twisting hoyer's leg like. that that that's called the vaporizer it. is an unbelievably painful position I do. not know how hoer didn't tap yeah mental.

that that I don't think that was some. biological thing he's altered I think. that was a guy just saying my life. depends on you know his reputation who. he is as a person his business all of. those things depended so heavily on him. not giving into pain and I think he was. capable of of doing that but he has a. history of having incredibly flexible. joints like when he fought sakuraba. sakuraba had him in that deep deep kamur. and the referee stopped the fight and he. was Furious he's like I'm fine like he. had his arm like cranked up behind his.

back you know first of all it's crazy. when you think of the fact that hoer. Gracie fought Sakura and sakuraba fought. vtor bord and vanderlay Silva like think. about the difference in size between. those guys I mean incredible I mean just. unbelievable he won the [ __ ] Abu. Dhabi at 145 you know how the [ __ ] those. giants yeah how the [ __ ] that was. another time and I mean you I love. hearing stories from guys that were. around in the early days when they're. like yeah you know we drove nine hours.

cuz they said we were going to have a an. MMA fight and we got there and they said. well your opponent's not here you got. this guy and he's like I weigh 140 he's. 175 they're like close enough fight him. yeah you know that's how it was and well. who is that guy where does he train I. don't know I just got out of prison or. do you want the bouncer I mean and. that's who you fought and these lunatics. on the front end of the sport we're. driving around for $100 spending 300 to. get there not knowing I mean you didn't. know if a guy knew the death touch or. something you didn't know if there was. you didn't know if there was some other. thing he could do yeah people believed.

in the death touch back then what if. they knew it there's people still. teaching that stupid [ __ ] and there's. people out there that also still. teaching you know what we do works on. the streets the streets are very. different what you do is a sport that. nonsense drives me [ __ ] bananas I was. on the opan Anthony show and they used. to have this guy that like did their. security this [ __ ] fake karate guy. and he would always talk about like uh. Street techniques what we're doing is. all about street street defense and I go. let me let me tell you something dude. what works on train Killers is the best.

[ __ ] all this nonsense about like Street. techniques like you're going to do that. and do this and that's going to work. better and you're going to [ __ ] death. touch somebody in their solar plexus and. go after their pressure points [ __ ]. it's all nonsense you know and if you. you try to bite somebody let me tell you. something if a guy gets on top of you. and you and you just bid him he's going. to [ __ ] kill you he's going to take. your eyes out he's going to kill you. he's going to break your jaw he's going. to tear your arms out of their sockets. and leave you a [ __ ] and that a guy.

could do that for sure and if you get. all this street [ __ ] in your head listen. dangerous but if you you train Systema. or karagar or whatever and you're up. against some dumbass it'll be valuable. sure but if you're up against a trained. fighter you're going to be in a lot of. trouble but you should always prepare. for a trained fighter and that's the. difference between like these Street. systems. versus real MMA like real MMA is the. stuff that works it it's it's the best. application the human body has when it. comes to using your body in a Combat.

Sports scenario it's the best that's the. reason why you don't see Kung Fu in MMA. I mean Roy Nelson jokingly calls himself. a kung fu fighter and I know he has. actually done some Kung Fu training but. the reality is Roy's throwing a [ __ ]. heavy overhand right and he's got a. black belt and Jiu-Jitsu to back it up. yeah exactly and uh if I mean hey if for. whatever reason you like wearing a Kung. Fu outfit and and doing all this stuff. it makes you feel good [ __ ] it GO train. it for sure but don't try to tell. professional athletes and people who. analyze that all day every day that this.

thing is going to be the thing because. why the [ __ ] isn't George St Pi using it. George used to he told me one time that. he just he said it I'm sure it happens. to you a lot too that people will come. up to him and say hey George you know uh. hey uh you do really good man hey we. should train together I have Kung Fu. Studio down the street you know and they. would literally I could teach you some. [ __ ] and really literally believe that. when they're talking to the greatest. fighter in the world at the time that. they got some secret [ __ ] back on the on.

St Denise Street in Quebec in Montreal. that he could teach George St Fier this. guy really [ __ ] believes that they. really believe they got some death touch. they're going to pull out and George is. gonna go this is going to change my. whole career thank you for teaching me. death touch that shit's got to happen to. you too right oh yeah well there's. always some guy that says that he has. some new things that no one's ever seen. before he has his master can't be. defeated or there's a bunch of. Knuckleheads out there man there's a. bunch but George is an amazingly patient. guy I've seen George deal with a lot of.

[ __ ] people he's the the one of the. nicest guys that's ever reached like a. super high level of any combat Sport and. really open-minded like he'll listen to. I've seen him exchange techniques with. people saw turning sidekick with him and. he had his KNE low he was using his KNE. L and with question you train [ __ ]. Taekwondo for 10 years competing all. over that's how you do a turning. sidekick and he got and he understood. that yeah well it was that was a weird. moment because John Doner who's a friend.

of mine was talking and we were out to. eat after a fight me him and Eddie and. uh he said do you guys know any good. Taekwondo guys George wants to work on. the mechanics of his spinning back kick. and I said this is going to sound so. stupid but I have to say it like I have. a great spinning back kick like my. spinning back kick I really know how to. do it better than anybody and you know. you say that and people go get the [ __ ]. [ __ ] lifetime martial arts expert I. mean why the [ __ ] can't you say still. cuz I'm a comedian and a [ __ ]. commentator I'm not a fighter you know I.

mean that those days are long gone that. doesn't mean that a lifetime Mastery of. a technique isn't you know that's true. but so many people have ridiculous egos. there's so many and I'm not going to. name any names but I know a lot of guys. that are involved in the same sort of. thing that I'm involved in and they'll. tell you that they're great and then you. train with them you're like oh [ __ ]. Christ I'm wasting my time so I had this. moment where I was like tell George if. he wants to train out and then Eddie. told him like dude seriously you got to. see this guy kick and I'm like this. sounds so stupid like no one's going to. believe me and so then George showed up.

so I was I was hoping you know when. George showed up like that he wasn't. like okay come on show me you know this. is stupid why am I wasting my time he. was focused well once I kicked the bag. once then he went oh [ __ ] like this is. real and then you could see like like he. got this like I'm actually going to get. something out of this as opposed to like. I'm just being nice to Joe because we're. friends and I'm going to go humor him. and you know he's going to throw some. [ __ ] ass kicks but when he saw me kick.

a bag you know when you kick a 200 lb. bag and it goes flying and then it puts. it in your head you goit oh I get it I. get it now but it was his. open-mindedness was so impressive. because I wouldn't have listened to me I. I would have been like [ __ ] get the. [ __ ] out of here like George is going to. give you advice on your job exactly. but you know if you have an open mind. but uh I uh when I did that TV show. where I was learning to fight I trained. with George and uh we' use that on the. show and I was terrible like I mean I.

literally was trying to take grow. playing uh doing Taekwondo growing up. and add kind of boxing my head like I'm. [ __ ] horrible and I'd never wrestled. day in my life I was doing Jiu-Jitsu. like 10 times a week for whatever number. of months never and that will forever. people will just put that on go holy. [ __ ] this guy's terrible. and it is bad but I mean what the [ __ ]. you're doing a TV show about taking some. guy who wears eye makeup and trying to. teach him to fight he happens to be. there and with George of course he's. terrible you know yeah you know well.

that's the beautiful thing about martial. arts or any difficult Endeavor is that. you start off everybody starts off they. suck no if you don't have those. techniques you don't know what you're. doing you're not going to be good and. then as you train you get better and. when you get better you it's like you go. down a path and then you can stop and. pause and look back and go look where I. started I started way back there and now. here I am I'm getting better and then. you turn around you go but look how far. I got to go and that's that's exciting. yeah well that's the beautiful thing. about martial arts is that there are so. many levels and when we're seeing in.

mixed martial arts is like the Jiu-Jitsu. is still at a fairly low level I think. the Jiu-Jitsu is still like purple belt. level at even like a high level it's not. like Marcelo Garcia like highle black. belt the Striking is still at a fairly. low level we're not seeing Ernesto host. yet we're not seeing these like. ridiculously technical absolutely. perfect executions of striking technique. we're getting closer we're getting. closer with the Jiu-Jitsu we're getting. closer with the Striking but there's. room to grow and that's one of the. reasons why we're seeing new techniques.

now like how many people are throwing. wheel kicks now there was no wheel kicks. up until Terry Edam fought Barbosa but. you know there is a there is a um uh. like this has been this has been seen. before like when Tony Hawk did the four. things right you within a year 10 guys. could do it and did it in training the. quad in in figure skating nobody could. do it now [ __ ] college level figure. skaters through the quad because minute. mile yeah yeah when it happens once.

suddenly it's now real humans do this. just cuz I mean just cuz that guy did it. not every guy thinks he can do it but. some guys think they can do it yeah it's. an amazing thing to watch the actual. growth I love it I'm so fascinated by. too man me too it's such a cool aspect. of of maral Arts to be there while this. is all going down and see this this. thing evolving and getting better front. kicks to the face now same thing all of. a sudden there's the quad and fig. they're all doing front front kicks in.

play for almost every good Striker now. that's in play for real also seeing a. lot of that sideways karate stance like. Ryan jimo does and and gunar Nelson does. and leoto does that sideways karate. stance is a totally different thing some. guys you see are using it they grew up. using it and when they're and for a. right-handed guy it's whenever they. switch The Stance and the right foot is. in the front is when you're going to see. it you know what I mean like it's. suddenly like not as camouflaged anymore.

not only are guys using it but it's like. oh [ __ ] he's in that stance I better. watch out for well you see a lot of. front leg kicks off the the dominant. stance the dominant leg Yeah it's it's. there's not a lot of guys who develop. that powerful front leg left side kick. they develop it off the right leg do you. remember when Chris Clemens did a did a. spinning thing on that I broke that down. the big question people had was how did. he know to do that and when you look at. it you see Wonder Boy and he turns. sideways and Chris and me and I froze it. and said look in here there this is a. moment Chris grew up doing Taekwondo.

Chris is a a traditional martial as well. so he knows when this right leg comes. forward and The Stance is distributed. this way either a sid kick is coming or. a hook kick is coming or a round kick. front leg round kick it was the hip was. flared enough that he it was probably. you didn't was the the round kick wasn't. as in play because of the position of. how far her hip was so then we freeze it. and say that's what he knows he knows. from a lifetime that that both of those. are in play now what let's watch he. throws the sidekick and go freeze now. Chris in his mind would know if this. still happens the next option since he's.

just giving me a sidekick his point is. hoping to drop my hands and hook kick me. in the head when he saw that happen. there was a little flare of the hip and. his brain goes oh yeah that's coming and. then he timed it on the hook kick but it. was his ability to kind of see the. future you know what I mean like he. could he and we predict the future all. the time when you go to open a door. handle the reason if it was really hot. or if it was spongy that you'd be. surprised is because your brain was. predicting what a door handle would feel. like yeah and that's what you were. talking about earli when it comes to uh. pattern recognition that that's a big.

thing with pattern recognition yeah it. is yeah and it's definitely what guys. are playing with like um do you know. Adam uh zuch he trains Sarah Kaufman but. he's also kind of a secret weapon for. Greg Jackson he's up in Victoria BC and. he sends guys up there to do certain. things very talented and we were talking. about after Sarah's fight uh Kaufman's. fight her last one in Quebec City she. was throwing a lot of offo things which. he taught her because she's a dancer. right so he he can work footwork off.

time and different rhythms with her but. uh uh he was also talking about pattern. recognition and how him and Greg Jackson. that's one of the things they're on. heavy is training you to expect certain. patterns chunking those patterns that. your brain anticipates and then giving. you a surprise and on the front end of. some of their thinking right now it's so. fasting [ __ ] yeah man it's and what's so. cool is when you have that many great. minds doing it now you got one of these. guys thinking that but you got Dwayne.

over here [ __ ] thinking this over. there and there's all these different. guys in Duke Rufus is in Wisconsin and. he's looking at it and trying to break. it down and then put them against each. other and the lessons that we learn. there everybody's going to go back in. their labs and prepare for the next one. yeah amazing stuff dude we're out of. time but this is a lot of fun thank you. Robin. man really thank you for having me it's. a real thrill and and thanks for digging. my stuff thanks for I appreciate that. you're doing it I really appreciate you. doing the podcast too and we got to do. this again man I love how often are you. in La my wife's working here right now. so I'm visiting a little bit she's in.

theater so uh not all that often a. couple times a year but I love to I'll. come back I'll bring some beer we'll do. it again we'll do it again for sure. follow him Robin black MMA on Twitter. and uh where can people the videos yeah. check out fight network uh fight. network.com we got some stuff but fight. network is a 24-hour televis. station it's in Canada it's now in New. York New Jersey uh Connecticut Texas and. it's on Roku and you can call up any. cable uh provider and say I want fight. Network and and it's it's a 24-hour.

fight Channel and that's where I'm at. Beau beautiful all right and thanks to. our sponsor thanks to Legal Zoom go to. Legal zoom.com enter in the code word. Rogan in the referral box at checkout to. save yourself some cash thanks also to. NatureBox go to. naturebox.com Rogan that's naturebox.com. / Rogan and get 50% off your month's. first box thanks also to on it.com go to. O nnit use the code word Rogan and save. 10% off any and all supplements all.

right we will be back in about 20. minutes with scubas pip much love see. you take care big kiss m. [Music]. [Applause]. h. [Music].