Joe Rogan Experience #2528 - Cassie Coppersmith

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> How are you? >> Great. How are you doing, John? >> Very nice to meet you. [music]. >> Nice to meet you. >> I've enjoyed your content online. >> Thank you. [laughter]. >> I the first I got first introduced to. you by a video you did with uh his. channel's Megalithic Marvels. Yes. >> Yeah. And it was about ancient Chinese. artifacts that don't make any sense.

>> Yes. >> And uh it was so fascinating. The moment. I saw it, I reached out to my guy. I was. like, I got to talk to her because this. is crazy. >> So, please explain to people what these. artifacts are and what's so bizarre. about them. >> I I first saw these artifacts in uh the. British Museum. So, they have an entire. whole wall full of them, and they're. they're made of nefright jade, which is. an extremely hard stone. Um, and they. just look they look machined. They look.

way too precise for the the tools that. they say built them. So, I started doing. some research. I haven't been to the. site in China. It's it was built by the. Langju culture, so archaeologists say. Um, but it the it's a two different. kinds of artifacts that are really. famous. One is called a sung tube, which. is a tall tube that's circular in the. middle and square on the outside and. extremely precise geometry. The other.

one are these big round B discs that. almost look like a giant flat doughut. that are perfectly flat on top. You. know, there's the precision versions of. these just like you see all over the. world and there are versions that are uh. much crudder. So, it almost seems like. the civilization had this my my theory. is that these were not unlike the. hardstone vases in Egypt. Um, so it was. something that this culture either was.

gifted or found and it turned into a. very cherished object like a grave good. for them. So you find these tombs in. Langghu, China that have literally. thousands of these jade artifacts in. them. Um, and it's not unlike the hard. stone vases that you see in Egypt where. you find those in the grapes as well. >> So what what's the timeline where these. pieces are attributed to? >> So these are really old. I mean the the. earthworks and the um.

the the community around the lean. culture is securely dated by. archaeologists to like 3,400 BC and then. you know just so it's about the same. actually as the graves that were in. Egypt um with the hardstone bases. So. it's very it's very very old. >> And the the at the time of this culture, what were their tools? Like do we know? >> Well, the the archaeologists say that it. were that it was made with um strings.

So they would take strings with sand or. some sort of an abrasive and they would. cut the jade that way and then they. would uh they would use copper tools, stone hammers, those kinds of things to. shape it. So the the explanation with. >> a giant smile on your face. >> The explanation doesn't make a lot of. sense. And even you know the hole down. the middle of the bisc is a perfect I. mean you can see the drill marks on the. inside of the bis. >> Can we do we have some images of these. things? Let's take a look at them.

>> Jamie I have um a china. >> folder. >> cuz the images on uh and uh by the way. that channel megalithic marvels Derek's. channel. Excellent. Really fun. >> So great. >> Great stuff. >> Yeah. Derek is the one that got me into. all this. >> Shout out to Derek. Shout out to Derek. >> So, this is How do you say it? How do. you pronounce that? B disc. B disc. B I. disc. >> And um how big is this? >> So, that thing's about 9 in across. >> Perfectly perfectly circular, perfectly. flat surface on the top,

>> like measured to to what tolerance, >> you know? I I don't know the answer to. that. And I don't know that there have. been a lot of deep scientific studies on. the precision of these. Right. Right. The archaeologists assume that that this. culture made them with bamboo, you know, bamboo and strings. >> Okay. [snorts]. >> So, yeah, there there that picture, Jamie, you can see the inside of the. actual artifact in the bottom right. That's drilled. >> Yeah. >> Right. And the one on the left is an.

experiment these archaeologists ran with. a bamboo core down the middle of the. jade. And you can just you can see the. difference between the two. How far did. they get down with the bamboo. experiment? Oh, >> all all the way through. >> They got all the way through. How long. did that take? >> I don't know the answer to that. There. was a an archaeologist that did an. experiment in the 1930s and they used. these strings with the abrasives to cut. off a piece of jade that was the size of. a basketball and it took them a week to.

to cut the bamb or cut the string all. the way through that piece of jade. >> So, it was a long time. >> The difference in the people that are. listening. So, there's the bamboo. experiment where they drilled into. something with a bamboo and and cord and. some What else was did they use? They. like sand or something. >> Yes. Abrasives of some sort. >> Yeah. >> And so, the difference is if you look at. the lines uh as it's drilling down, they're thick and they don't look the. same. If you look at the ones in the. actual artifact, they're extremely.

tight. They're they're way smaller and. they're they're tighter to each other. and it doesn't make sense. Like you look. at that, you're like that looks like a. machine. >> It it does. And in this specific. instance, it looks to me like the drill. came from both directions. Like they. flipped it over and drilled from the top. and then flipped it over again and. drilled from the bottom and that's where. it met in the middle. >> Wow. Um, so when what is like what's out of all.

these uh different artifacts, what's the. most puzzling one to you? >> The sung tube, >> which is the one on the left hand side. there. >> Yep. So that you know that is a it's. larger on top, smaller on the bottom, perfectly 90° corners. Um, it's got a. round tube in the middle, but the. artifact in general is square. So it's. just a very complex shape to create with. that level of precision. And Nefright. jade is a very a very hard stone. So it. would have taken you know this is a.

people in my space talk about the mo. scale of hardness just as a way of. saying diamonds are a 10. You know. different different stone levels the the. um. the hard stone discs like diorite that. would be a six or seven. This is the. same. It's it's that hard. Wow. And. so. is the idea um well I'm just assuming. the idea is that there was a more. sophisticated culture that probably.

existed predating that and these are. leftover artifacts. >> It is only my opinion that that's the. case. I haven't seen a lot of people. talk about these artifacts at all. Um. Jamie, if you go back to the picture you. had just flashed on the screen, [snorts]. the reason I've developed this theory, so this is an image on the side of the. largest uh sung tube. It's called the. king of jade sung. It's a 15 uh pound. artifact that was found and you can see.

the raised stone. So it's the high. relief carvings that were later etched. over. [snorts] That etching is has. become very famous. If you look at. photos of the museum in Liangghu, this. image is everywhere. And I think that. this was an image that was used by uh. the Leangju tribe as like the the image. of the king basically. And so I but I do. believe that it was scratched over the. top of an original very uh interesting.

high relief carving that you see in a. lot of other artifacts. Um so I think. that he basically found this. it looks. um it's something that they maybe could. not recreate and then they kind of. stamped their their kingly symbol over. the top of it. >> So this is um it's common in Egypt as. well that and particularly this theory. among alternative historians because you. look at the complexity of some of the. sarcophaguses and some of the different. things that and then you see the writing.

on the outside which looks like crudder. The the the writing is not as precise. The cutting is not as precise. There's a. lot of like chips to it. It doesn't look. >> like they use the same materials or the. same uh utensils you or tools. >> Yeah. And you know the question is if. you had the ability there's the king of. jade sung. So if you had the ability to. make an artifact in that kind of a. shape, why would you not have also. created the scratching over the top in.

that high that high quality version? So. why would you create the artifact like. that and then just scratch over the top. of it, right? It doesn't make sense. >> It's there's always that's always been. the case that. history shows that people who are. controlling a region will take credit. for everything. They'll take credit for. all the ancient stuff, too. They'll put. their name on it. They own everything. Yeah. >> You know, and that's famous with. Pharaohs. They they did it with. everything. And this is documented. We. know that they wrote their name on. things that they didn't create. >> Yeah. Ramsy's I was king Selfie. You.

know, he [laughter] he put his cart on. everything. >> Yeah. Which is I mean, it sounds like. what a dictator does. It sounds like. what a pharaoh would do. >> Yeah. >> You know, it doesn't mean that they made. it. And for us to just assume that they. did, knowing that people in great power. behave that way is kind of kind of. crazy. That's our map of history. So, how did you get down this road where you. started looking at these objects and. looking at the the conventional.

historical timeline and saying. something's wrong here. >> specific to the Chinese artifacts? >> Yeah. Or or were you already on that. path when you found the Chinese. artifacts? >> I've been on this path for a while and. you know my the name of my channel is. Secrets and Stone and the reason I named. it that is because I believe that the. stones speak to you. they will show you. exactly what the story is, right? Um, so. with these artifacts, just like the hard. stone de or hard stone bases, uh, it. just is out of place, you know, it.

doesn't make any sense. And especially. in the British Museum, when you look at. these with your own eyes, um, and then. you read the story of how they believe. that they were made, you know, it's it. just doesn't it doesn't add up. And so. all you have to do, you know, in any of. these places is dig one or two levels. down and you start to start to see a lot. of inconsistencies. >> One or two levels. So meaning that the. older stuff is the more complex. >> Yeah. Or um with the way that the. archaeologists have interpreted a lot of.

these sites, there's a whole lot of uh. assumptions that are made. You know, there's there's carbon dating that only. goes partway down. uh you know they. they'll dig partway down, they'll date. it, it matches their story, and they. write the report. They'll take. inscriptions, you know, especially in. Cambodia, places like that, where a king. has written an inscription, and they'll. say, "Yep, well, that king wrote on. this, so this must have been made at. this time." And there's really no no.

further investigation. Um, so it's it's. become a theme with my work um where. I'll go somewhere specifically with the. megalithic uh architecture. You can you. can see exactly where the old. architecture was built. Oftentimes it's. the lowest level and then you can see. where other cultures have come later and. built on top of it. And it just looks it. looks like a. just a copy of what's underneath. It's. like they were really trying to make.

what they saw, but they just couldn't. And so once you've kind of trained your. eye for that, you go anywhere in the. world and you see it. >> How did you start looking at this stuff? >> Um, I went to Well, I went to Egypt four. years ago and watched Ben Van Kirkwick's. videos. You know, Ben. >> Sure. >> Um, he's awesome. >> So, I watched a couple of his videos on. the way to Egypt. That was my first kind. of introduction to this and then it just. became a bit of a obsession for me. Um I.

like to go to the sites around the world. that other people don't really go to. So. um you know I think Egypt and Peru and. Turkey that's it's all in good hands, right? Ben's Ben's watching over Egypt. We've got Brian Forester down in Peru. doing amazing work. Um the sites I go to. are the sites that nobody else really. visits. Um, so I just got back from. India a couple weeks ago. I spent a lot. of time in Cambodia. I went to Thailand. And these are the sites that I think if.

you're trying to make a case or at least. a strong enough case that people will. consider, right, that there may be a. different history than what we're being. told. Um, I think you have to have more. than three examples. So if you can start. to to do a lot of research on these. sites all around the world, um you can. have thousands of examples of nubs for. example or megalithic architecture that. looks very similar. These walls that. look very similar all over the world.

>> and it just make in my mind it makes a. much stronger case for it than just. continuing to look at the same sites. over and over again. It seems to me so. much more likely that the the timeline. is incorrect than the historians are. right and everyone else is just a. conspiracy theorist weirdo. The the more. you look at it, the more the more. questions I have like that Kyasa temple. in India. Yeah, >> we've gone over that a few times, but. Jamie pointed out something that they.

brought in about was it like an army to. try to destroy it. >> Mhm. >> And they barely put a dent in the damn. thing. >> Yeah. >> And they they stayed for a long time. They tried to smash it up and they. couldn't do [ __ ] to it. >> Yeah. >> And then you go, "Okay, well, how did. they make this? What did they? And I saw. a a really wild uh YouTube video the. other day where this guy was proposing. that they used lasers and that it was. all laser carved and that they had some. sort of like super sophisticated laser. setup back then. That's why you're not. finding all the stone.

>> that was. >> well you know it. >> like what? Wait a minute. >> Look, I think that's absolutely. possible. It sounds but also so insane. that we're so wrong about the linear. timeline of human history that they had. [ __ ] lasers in India like how many. thousands of years ago. >> that they were using to carve an entire. massive perfect temple out of rock. >> you know I was just down at the Hoala. temples which are in southern India and.

they have these lathes lathe turned. pillars the pillars are feet across. they're huge. and you walk up to them and you look at. them closely and you can see the lathe. marks on them and archaeologists concede. that they're lathe turned but they don't. concede that it's machined. So they. basically say well maybe they were. turned on a lathe. We'll give you that. but that was probably humanpowered or. animal powered. Yeah. So these are. >> god. >> these are the statue or the uh lathe.

turn pillars in southern India. I was. just looking at these with my own eyes a. couple weeks ago. It's completely. unexplainable. And to think of the size. of the machine that would be required. You say you turn that pillar sideways, you [snorts] connect it to a machine on. each side and you start lathing. Um. Jamie, I have a folder in my India. [clears throat] uh pictures that. >> God that's so pretty. >> that has lots of ev So what you can see. at sites like Hampy in India is you can.

see the evidence of lathing. So, it. almost looks like the setup that they. would have used to carve these kinds of. pillars. And it's just sitting in kind. of far-flung corners of these sites. Nobody addresses what they are. Um, and. and so the evidence is everywhere of. this. It's just not, you know, it's. written off. It's like, well, that must. have been an animal powered lathe, [laughter] you know. So, I I do think we. have strong evidence for machining in.

ancient history. And in my mind, it. doesn't have to be machines. You know, there there could have been other ways. that they were doing this that we don't. even recognize. >> So, what is this that we're looking at? >> So, this is in um this is at the museum. in Hampy in southern India. And that to. me looks like the L. So, it looks like. where a pillar might have been placed. and the machine was spinning um you. know, some sort of a lathe machine. So I. I think it's like the you know the other.

side of these pillars basically. >> like the the end plates. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Right. Okay. And so these pillars, how. large are they? Can you Jamie, could you. go to that image in the lower right hand. corner, please? That one right there. That God, I can't get over how pretty. that is. >> They're so incredible in real life, too. >> How tall are they? >> Way tall. I mean, I my head would. probably go halfway up that pillar. They're twice as tall as me. >> So immensely heavy. And what kind of. stone is it carved out of? >> This is a chloritic shist. So it's a.

it's called soap stone. >> So pretty. >> But there are lathed turn pillars that. are also granite. >> In in southern India, it's a soap stone. So when it's uh quarried, it's a little. bit softer and then it hardens once it's. out of the quarry. >> Has anyone done an analysis of the. geometry in these things? Like how. precise it is and how like I'm I'm. looking at it. If you go to that the one. uh next to it, please. That one. The. Yeah, that one. When I'm looking at the.

precision of that and how many different. pieces there are, I I would love to know. how uniform those are because it looks. insane. That looks so beautiful. >> It's. >> We're looking at uh how do you say that. word? Copeswar. >> Copwar. Madev. Is that how you say it? Mahadev. >> God, that's [clears throat] pretty. >> It's incredible. And you know, these. sites have crazy energy, too. You walk. into them and you can tell that they. were they were made with a lot of love.

Um, these these pillars, you know, you. can't help but touch them. [laughter]. >> You're allowed to touch them. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Look at that. Like, I would love to know. what the precision of that is. >> Yeah. >> Because really, imagine if it's insanely. precise and then you have to explain. that, too. Not just stone chisels and. tools and stuff, but. >> when you can see in the pillars, you can. see where the lathe started at the. bottom and you can see where it stopped. at the top. It's just it's just running.

And you know, a lot of people are like, "Well, turn it sideways. Is that some. sort of a a soundwave, right? Is it. mimicking? Is it telling us something?". >> This episode is brought to you by Armra. Every week there's some new wellness. hack that people swear by and after a. while you start thinking why do we think. we can just outsmart our bodies. That's. why arra colostrum caught my attention. It's something the body already. recognizes and has hundreds of these.

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>> of how precise they are. >> Oh, here [clears throat] it goes. The. pillars in how do you say it? Suara. Mandap of Copwar Temple are lathe turned. with extremely uniform circular and poly. polygonal profiles. showing high geometric precision and. tight alignment despite being carved. from stone without mortared joints. >> It says it resembles machine turned. work. >> Resembles. >> Yeah, >> that's cute. >> Mhm. >> Isn't it more likely [laughter] that it. was machine turned if it's exactly?

Pillars are laid out with consistent. spacing in the circular hall so that the. open oculus in the ceiling remains. perfectly centered, suggesting careful. radial planning and load distribution. The temple uses interlocking stone and. gravity rather than mortar. So the. precise fit of the pillars into bases. and beams is critical to stability and. is cited as an example of advanced. medieval Indian stone engineering. One thing that's interesting when you go. to these temples is you can see where.

they have moved these pillars into the. temples. So the core of most of these. temples in my opinion is the original. megalithic part of these temples, the. oldest stuff. But you can see where. these pillars have been moved into new. temples. And so you'll see these crazy. precise dark stones. >> Says this is a rotating pillar. >> What? >> I think it used to rotate. It does not. anymore. I actually saw that pillar. >> When did it stop? [laughter]. >> I don't know. And maybe that's just a. myth. I have no idea. But you can see.

where they they moved these pillars from. original temples or maybe who knows? Maybe they found a workshop somewhere. with these and they put them in the in. the center of the newer temples. So it's. it's not precise at all. Very crude. stonework above and below them. And then. they have this perfect lathe pillar. right in the middle. What? So what is. the timeline that they attribute to the. construction of these? >> Oh, you know, 1,200 to,500 AD. >> And why do they say that?

>> Because the kings that ruled during that. time period wrote inscriptions. >> on the pillars in a lot of instances on. the sides of the temples, things like. that. >> Yeah. >> It's it's all inscriptional evidence. >> I would need more evidence, you know. >> Right. Well, what's really interesting. I've done a lot. >> That's great. It's graffiti. >> Yeah. I've [snorts] done a lot of. research in Cambodia and they they date. all of their uh all of their temples. based on inscriptions and when you. actually run these inscriptions through.

AI and you translate them, they've all. been translated from Sanskrit to French. I then translated it from French to. English and when you read what the kings. actually wrote, very seldom do they say, I king so and so built this. What they. say is I installed a lingum. I brought. a, you know, I brought a a statue to. this temple. And so the archaeologists. make a fairly big jump between what the. kings actually wrote and saying, well, this king must have built this. So in a.

lot of instances, they're actually. putting words into into their mouths. >> Wow. [snorts] Um, so what is your belief. in terms of the timeline of the. construction of these things? I mean it in the oldest instances it I I. personally believe that it's pre flood. so you know more than 12,000 years ago. I think there are some that are probably. older very you know. Peru is I just got back from Peru a.

couple of months ago that's fully. unexplainable. You've talked about Peru. on your show many times. Egypt is. incredibly ancient. I actually believe. that India is one of the most ancient. places on earth. Um, and were they were. they different civilizations building. there? What they built suggests that it. probably was. Were they in contact with. each other? I believe they were. You. know, there's enough similarities around. the world that it feels like there was a. communication network between them. But. when you look at the actual building.

styles between, take those three. examples, India, Egypt, and Peru, they're completely different, right? E. Egypt is very just uh just blocks, very. few decorations, especially in places. like the Oyerion. It doesn't it's just. um it almost looks it's like clinical, you know, but then you're in Peru and. it's playful there. There are these big. pillowy blocks and then you go to India. and there's carvings all over. everything, right? And so I do believe.

that there are certain places in this. world that are substantially older and I. believe that for thousands of years. civilizations have been they're. attracted to these places and they build. on top of them and they settle there and. so you just see generation after. generation after generation of building. on top of them. >> Well, it makes sense when you think. about Kyasa because look how perfect it. is now. And this is thousands of years. after they attribute it to being built. or at least a thousand years.

>> Yeah. >> And it looks like there's been zero. erosion. >> Yeah. >> Now add a few thousand years to that, it's going to look exactly the same. >> Yeah. >> And if you're just generation after. generation like not knowing who built it. and you get a version of uh you know. this king said he did it or this guy. said he did like how add a few thousand. years and it's [ __ ] guesswork. >> 100%. And to have archaeologists shift. through dirt and find an inscription. somewhere and go, "Oh, we nailed it.".

Like, >> god, that's such a disservice to what. the complexity of the mystery of what. we're looking at is. Yeah. >> Like just the Kyasa one is. I am. obsessed with that place. I've I've. watched like four or five documentaries. on it and see and we went over it on the. podcast the other day with the CEO of. Perplexity. It's like it's [ __ ]. bananas. >> Yeah. It's so crazy how precise and one. mistake and you're [ __ ] Y. >> but yet it's all geometrically aligned. There's they have no idea what they did.

with all the stone. >> Yeah, [laughter]. >> that's the big question, right? >> That seems so crazy. >> They removed an entire cliffside. mountain and you know it was it was they. carved it from the top down. >> Yeah. And put it where would you do it. at all? >> Good question. >> That's so much rock. That's not a little. bit of rock. You would think there'd be. some laying around. >> Yeah. Even after thousands of years, you'd have like a pile somewhere. Like, [ __ ] it. Anybody want some free stone? It's over there. No one's going to take. all the stone. You have [ __ ] millions. and millions of tons of stone. Like, that's crazy. What' you do with it?

>> You know what I wonder? I wonder I do. feel for archaeologists, right? I mean, they they go to a site and they're like, gosh, maybe this feels a little older, but the only evidence I have are. potshurds that I can date. I can dig. down and I can find cultural layers of. cultures that in my opinion lived there. afterwards. They're dating that and they. see inscriptions and that's the evidence. that they have to make their case. But I. do wonder how many of them are looking. at these sites and saying, "Yeah, this.

actually doesn't make a whole lot of. sense.". >> A lot of the young ones, >> I've talked to them. I've talked to. them. Um I think this the hierarchal the. hierarchal what's the word? hierarchy. the structure of academics and in terms. of these guys that are teaching. university courses and giving out PhDs. and writing books and they have a vast. body of work that's all about the. timeline and all about you know what. they know and they are the gatekeepers. of information.

>> and there's a lot of ego involved with. academics I'm sure you know that. >> and they get really shitty with each. other and they're vicious they're. vicious when they attack each other even. if they're wrong like the the whole. Clovis first thing was the best example. of that. >> The gentleman who proposed this theory. that there were people here older than. the Clovis people was destroyed. >> by by his own peers. >> And it took years before it was proven. that he was correct. And not only was he. correct, but he was correct by like over. 10,000 years. Yeah.

>> Like now they're pushing it past 22,000. years ago because of the footprints they. found in White Sands, New Mexico. >> Right. The peopleing of the Americas. >> Yes. Humans have been here a long long. long time. And this is just indicative. of this pattern that happens whenever. anybody comes up with any sort of an. alternative theory that doesn't come. from the gated halls of academia. They're just dismissed. But but. academics have only been around for a. few hundred years. Like we have to stop. and think about how crazy it is that.

we've put the power in these people that. we know are not always accurate nor are. they compromised and they have ego. problems and they have this structure of. the people at the top that are giving. out grants and giving out funding and. giving PhDs and reading people's. dissertations. It's like it's very. social and it's very complex and to. deviate from the narrative is. devastating for your career. Like if if. they can destroy the guy who proposed.

that Clovis first was incorrect. That. guy was a an academic. He was. established. Yeah. >> Imagine if you're a [ __ ] PhD student. and you're like, I think you guys are. wrong. Well, you're [ __ ] forever. You. know, I used to work in corporate. America and there were a lot of things. that I thought that I absolutely never. said. Right? So, if you think about. these young archaeologists, even if they. see something and they think, gosh, I. wish that I could dive into that and. really explore how old this is, they're. going to get shut down immediately and.

their self-preservation mechanisms are. going to kick in because they've got a. paycheck. You know, you have to. sympathize with the situation that. they're in. >> Oh, I do. I completely do. Look, we've. all worked for shitty bosses. It's a. terrible position to be in. >> and especially if your shitty boss is in. charge of the distribution of. >> information about the history of the. human race. That is crazy. That is crazy. to get ego involved in that. >> I know. >> because when you see like the attacks on. guys like Graham Hancock and all these. people that propose that this data that.

we should look at that just like there's. there's a bunch of data that confounds. the timeline like it it [ __ ] it. completely up. Yeah. when Gob Beckley. came along and then everybody was like, "Okay, we're in a we have a problem. We. have an 11,000 plus year old structure. for sure. It was purposely buried 11,000. plus years ago." So, how old is it? It's. at least 11,000 years old. That doesn't. make any sense cuz timeline of. civilization, it's supposed to be 6,000. years ago. So, now we have immense stone.

structures with 3D carvings that are in. concentric circles. That's 5,000 years. older than that. Okay, these are hunter. gatherers. They were just [ __ ] that. in their spare time from killing. antelopes, they decided they were going. to build immense structures on the top. of a hill. >> Well, and don't you find it interesting. that the dating of Gobeclet has not. opened the door to redating other sites. around the world. So, when you talk. about the stuff in Egypt, nobody's. really open to saying maybe this is.

10,000 years old. Should we look again? >> Right? >> You know, that that story has been. written. There's been a period on it and. it's been put to bed. Not only that, there's actual geological evidence. And. this is where Robert Shock came into. play. You know, I have had him on the. podcast before, and I remember watching. that documentary on the mysteries of the. Sphinx, and he proposed that there's. water erosion on the outside of the. Temple of the Sphinx. And he he's taken. photos of that erosion and brought it to. other geologists and said, "What do you.

think this is?" And they said, "Well, that's water erosion." And then he shows. them where it came from. They I don't. want to have nothing to do with this. >> Yeah. Just kidding. It's the wind. >> Crazy. Which is crazy. Imagine the. timeline of human history is so. controversial that you're worried that. it would ruin your career if you spoke. accurately about your field of. expertise, which is erosion and geology. due to rainfall. Thousands of years of. rainfall. Well, thousands of years of. rainfall means at the very least the. Sphinx is 9,000 years old.

>> Yeah. >> At the very least. But that's probably. way older than that because you have to. have thousands of years of rainfall from. the time that it was constructed. constructed to make these kind of deep. fissures into this stone. >> and it was buried for much of its recent. history which means there was not. erosion taking place the entire time it. was buried. >> Yeah. It the whole thing's nuts and the. the wind and sand erosion that's an. argument against that right because it. was covered in sand. >> Yeah. And it, you know, if there was. rain erosion like they're proposing, it.

had to have been when there was. rainfall, significant rainfall in the. Nile Valley. And that's way back 9,000. years ago. >> A long time ago. Yep. And, you know, I. guess it just it breaks my heart a. little bit that this conversation gets. shut down because if you think about. think about 23 and me, right? the the. number of people that have subscriptions. to websites like that because they are. extremely interested in where they came. from and it opens up their world when. they can see four generations back. It.

gives them you know people that that. belong to these subscription services. will say I finally have a sense of. belonging. I kind of feel like I know. where I came from. We as a humanity. imagine if we actually knew where we. came from. I think we would feel a lot. less lost. I don't think it's sad. I. think it's funny. I think it's just. another example of just how funny people. are, how we're so weird. We're so full. of [ __ ] and we're we're we're just so. filled with this desire to be correct.

and to enforce our narrative that we do. it even with facts that are like. significantly important for the entire. world. And I think it's funny because it. doesn't work because it's only opened. the door to people like you and people. like Derek and people like Graham. Hancock and Ben Van Kirkwick and Jimmy. Corsetti and all these people that Luke. Caverns they just spend enormous amounts. of time making this incredible content. >> Yeah. >> Like all the stuff that Luke has done in. the Americas in South America like good.

lord there's so many mysteries. Like. explain away Sakai Huan. Explain away. those stones. Help me out. Help me out. Pe how people with no steel and no heavy. machinery move these things into. position. Move these 20 foot tall. immense stones that are cut like jigsaw. puzzles. It looks like they were melted. into place. >> Yeah. It looks like a melted marshmallow. stacked on top of a melted marshmallow. >> It's literally bananas. It makes no.

sense. And then you have the weirdness. of these elongated heads that they find. down there. These skulls that are. absolutely real skulls. These are not. hoaxes. They have a 30 20 to 30% larger. brain capacity. >> Yep. >> In the skull. >> I have personally seen elongated skulls. in four different countries. >> And it's not the same as skulls that. were manipulated to be flattened. That's. what's different. So, what people think. about this, there's a a very well-known.

practice where they would take boards. and put them on children's heads to. elongate their heads. The question is. why were they doing that? And were they trying to emulate. something. >> That's right. >> that existed, another type of person. that was here. Well, it seems like it. And it seems like these skulls that they. find, particularly in Peru, the bones. are larger. It's a larger face and they. have a larger brain capacity. And they. don't have that sagittal ridge. >> Yep. The sagittal suture.

>> Sagittal suture that's down the middle. >> So, they're literally a different kind. of skull. It's clearly human or some. form of human, >> but it has more brain volume and it's. built different than us. And everybody's. like, >> I don't see anything. >> Nope. They're not like, "Hey, maybe. there was a completely different species. of human that existed along with just. like Dennisovvens, just like Neanderls, just like all these new ones that they. keep finding fairly recently." Like the.

one they found in China, the big-headed. man. What was it? What was that one. called again? Julian's. Homo Julian's. >> This is like really recent. Like a few. years ago, they found this. Like, >> okay, we we don't have the picture, guys. We just don't we don't have the. full We don't have all the data. And. when you have these [ __ ] big skulls. and you're not even bringing that up, it. makes me think like, are you afraid to. look at this? Because then you have to. admit that you really didn't know this. and you were walking around saying. you're an expert in the human timeline.

>> Imagine some of the capabilities of of. these people with that much more brain. volume. Could they speak telepathically? Could they move stones with their minds, with sound? Right? We don't know what. they were able to do. If you just unlock. an additional 10% of your brain. capacity, Joe Rogan's brain capacity. Think of what? Think of all of the. connections you would make. Think about. all of the things you could do that you. can't do now. And now expand your brain.

volume by 30%. Exactly like. >> the Bradley Cooper movie. Remember? >> Yes. >> Yeah. And he kept the same size head. >> or the movie Lucy with Scarlett. Johansson. just unlocking her full brain. And. suddenly she was moving things. >> with her mind. Right. So, were these. people able to do things that regular. humans couldn't? And that's why they. were emulated throughout history with. cradle headboarding. They were the. elite. They were maybe building some of. these structures. Who knows? And if you. are if you are just an average Joe in.

that community, you want to look like. them, right? You all of us do it, right? >> Especially the elites of the time. >> Yeah. >> Especially the humans that you know were. the kings and the pharaohs and all these. different people. They wanted to have. those heads. >> Mhm. Yep. There were some really. interesting. >> It sounds like we're crazy people, right? If I just tuned into this, it'd. be like, "Oh, great. Another one of. those [ __ ] Joe Rogan shows where. he's talking to crazy people." But then. you see, Jamie, pull up some of the. images of those skulls. I know we've. shown them a million times.

>> I have a folder with skulls. I can show. you some really interesting ones from. England. >> Oh. >> That are on small bodies. So, it they. almost look like fairies. And they have. these giant skulls on these very small. bodies. And it does make you think that. probably had something to do with the. mythology of fairies in in England. This. was at Aberry, which is one of the big. stone circles. When you walk into the. museum there, there are these amazing. anomalous elongated skulls on these very. tiny little bodies. >> Wow.

>> The other interesting thing about. elongated skulls, >> are they children? >> Um, I don't think so. No. There's a. woman named Maria Whitley who writes all. about these skulls that she found that. have been found all over England. Um, that's Egypt. Yeah, there it is. >> Yeah. So, this is England. This is one of the skulls, but this. skull is very small, but if you look at. the shape of it, you know, their their. ears are in a different spot. They have. huge eye sockets. Um, I have another.

photo where it's there's one still. attached to a small body. Oh, look at the size of that head. >> Isn't [clears throat] that interesting? >> That's crazy. >> Now, this one may have been a child. I. don't remember specifically which of. these skulls. >> Even as a kid, that kid's going to be a. football player. [laughter]. >> He already has a helmet. >> Kid has a giant head, >> but it doesn't look right. It doesn't. look right. Even like I have babies, >> they don't they don't have heads that. big. That's crazy. Even when a baby's. got a big head when they're little and. they're they can barely hold their head. up, it doesn't look like little.

bobbleheads. >> That's crazy. Another really interesting. >> Look how far we I'm sorry, but look how. far it goes behind the spine. >> And look how flat it is at the bottom in. the back. Yes. >> I mean, imagine holding that head up. >> Well, that's the other weird thing about. these um elongated skulls. The the part. of the skull where it connects to the. spine is in a different place. >> Yes. Which makes sense. Otherwise, you. know, you or I guess you'd probably your. head would fall backwards. >> Like look at these. Look at these that.

don't have that sagittal suture. That. one that's closest to us. That is crazy. >> Yeah. So, that one's in Peru. I saw that. one a couple months ago. It looks. completely different than the skull. right behind it. >> Right. It's like a different kind of. person. >> Yes. Interestingly, in a lot of. >> they have one on the side and they don't. have the one down the middle. >> Yeah. There's another one that's labeled. Malta and you can see the view of it. from the top and you can see how it. looks completely different than any of. the other. So here's an interesting.

thing that I'm not sure you've talked. much about Joe. >> Brain surgery. >> The holes in the back of these skulls, it's trepation. So it was a surgery that. they. >> that they see evidence of in lots and. lots of ancient skulls. And the question. becomes, so if you don't have a sagittal. suture and your brain, you know, we have. the our brain will fuse, right, as we. grow. >> Sorry, but look at that. What it looks. like, it looks like they used drills. >> Yeah. >> Doesn't it?

>> Like they just drilled a circle around. that dude's head. >> In a lot of instances, these people. survived these surgeries. [sighs and gasps] The question becomes, why were they doing it? >> Whoa, look at that top one. Scoop out. some brain, bro. That's crazy. Maybe. they were trying to relieve pressure. >> Well, if your brain doesn't have all of. the sutures that ours does and and your. brain is fusing, there are some theories. that suggest that these people were. losing their uh connection with. consciousness. So, they because their.

brains were so big, um they, you know, a. lot of telepathy and things like that. So, if you if you cut a hole in a fused. skull, you still have access, right? It. it allows your allows you I guess more. space in your skull to access what you. use to access. >> So it's like relieving pressure in some. way. This is the idea why they're doing. this trepation. >> May I you know I think it's. >> we had a woman on who did trepidation to. herself. >> Oh my gosh. I've read about her. >> Yeah. [laughter] Is she still alive?

They were doing labbotoies until pretty. recently. I know like what this is. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Right. When. >> we knew better. >> Is she still alive Jamie? I think she. might have passed recently. >> And and her motivation for that, was it. not for consciousness? >> Yes. >> Yeah, >> she was out there. >> But isn't it interesting? >> Lovely lady. Lovely lady, but she was. out there. >> Yeah. >> That lady had been on some trips. She. She had been to other dimensions many, many, many, many times.

>> She passed away about a year ago. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, a sweet lady, too. She was so. kind. >> It begs the question, what was the. motivation for doing that in these. ancient She described it in very glowing. terms. >> The experience of trepation when she did. she did it to herself. So there's a. photo of her. Isn't there like a is. there a video of her doing it? >> I know there's photos of the actual. procedure of her drilling a hole in her. head. Like yo, >> it must be quite a sense of relief, though.

>> I don't know. >> Your brain's no longer locked in your. skull. >> I mean, is that really what it is? I. don't want to find out. But I mean, I. know people that have had to have brain. surgery because they had brain bleeding. Yeah, there it is. >> Oh my gosh. >> They just drilled a hole. Looks like. they use a stick. What the hell? >> Okay. I think she did it. >> What is she using? >> Is she doing it to herself? >> Yes. >> No, >> it's the only way. If you really want to. achieve one with chakras or some [ __ ]. [laughter]. >> you're probably not going to get a. doctor to sign up for that. >> Jamie, can you find uh there's some.

images of those elongated skulls. There's a few really spectacular ones. that we pulled up the other day and one. of them is like the the sagittal suture. is completely missing and it's it's so. big and you're looking at it like, "Okay, this is a real skull in a. museum." Like, help me out. Help me out, anatomy experts. Why does it why does it. not have the features of a normal human. skull? And why is it so big? Like, >> this seems completely insane. >> The AI told me why, but I don't know if. that's. >> Yeah, shut it AI.

That's a That's a a bunch of [ __ ]. Archaeologists got an AI and wrote. >> I just thought bad articles. >> when I saw that one with the the little. kid or the small thing with the big back. of the dome. >> Aren't there or could that be explained. by just like a a random. >> anomaly? Yeah, for sure. >> Yeah, it depends on how many there are. But go to the images of those uh those. skulls so we could see that crazy one. >> I don't know why Google just changed and. there's no longer. >> they don't like you anymore. >> No, like the whole website has changed. They hate you. >> I noticed it yesterday. You can't.

>> Oh, yeah. That is weird. You're being. sabotaged. >> Oh, because they're trying to get you to. use AI. >> Yeah, it's all gone. >> Oh, that's so gross. Just write images. >> Yeah. See, now now they'll show you. Okay. So, it's the one on the far left. upper corner. It's right below it. Sorry. There you go. That's it. That's. the one. >> Look at the eyes. >> Yeah. The whole thing is nuts. That the. fact that that is a real skull. It. should freak everyone out. That no one. is that this isn't in the front page of. the New York Times. that this isn't. something that everyone's investigating.

Like, this is not a physical anomaly. This is a completely different skull. That's not a regular human skull at all. The capacity is so much larger. You. cannot explain that by headboarding. You. cannot explain the size of the [ __ ]. eye sockets is crazy. You imagine. looking into something. Who's that one. lady that has crazy big eyes? She's an. actress. Do you know what I'm talking. about, Jamie? She's really pretty. No, but I've seen this big giant eyes pop. out of their head. >> I I've seen that, too. But but that's.

But they're not that big. The point is. like those eyes would be [ __ ]. enormous. Like if that person was in. front of you and they had skin on with. with those eye sockets and that head, you'd be like, "Yo, [laughter]. >> you know, I want you to meet my friend. Mike." They'd be like, "What the [ __ ]. That is not what it looks like. That. that drawing that drawing is way too. normal. >> That head's way bigger than that, too, by the way. >> And the eyes are nothing. >> nothing like it. They're not even in the. same place. Like those eyes are in a. different place. Like those eyes those. eyes are in a nutty place.

>> I mean that that image on the right, the. the woman that could be what they looked. like if they were cradle head borders. >> Yes. And her face looks flattened, too. Like the whole thing looks which is such. a gross thing that they did to try to. emulate these people. >> Imagine tying a baby up on a board and. telling it to stay. >> Look at that. Skull was. >> Look at that one. Uh to the left, Jamie. Left. Right below that. Yeah, that one. Look at that one. What the hell is that? with the trepation. >> Yeah, but help me out. Tell me that's a. person. Help me out. That is not just an.

elongated skull. That's crazy. That's. not. >> I wonder if that's a real photo. >> I know. Well, almost a potential plaster. even. make this stuff. >> That is true. That is true. People. >> that came out in Sasquatch organization. >> Well, that's a reputable source. >> I don't. >> They are the best Sasquatch. organization. >> I try not to judge all of those. I'm. just clicking the photo, but. >> they [snorts] have all the real. information. There's a lot of. misinformation in the Sasquatch. community. >> Oh, yes. >> Um, but that is the only place that. shows up. [laughter].

>> Um, there's got to be other ones. Well, that that one in the middle in the top. on the left. Yeah, right there. Click on. that. Look at those three. Like, come. on. >> That almost Yeah, >> it's still the same one. Those all the. same one or these. >> from different angles. >> Well, the one in the middle looks. different than the one on the left. >> Definitely. >> Look at the recreation below, though. At. least his eyes are big. He looked. >> like Okay, that's a good one. That's a. good that's a good representation what. those people those people tell me that. dude can't read your mind. >> dude on the left he comes up to you with. those beads on like.

>> I'll do whatever you say. >> you're like okay I guess we're. communicating with the mother ship. [laughter]. >> like look at the size of his head please. go back to that image again. >> hair. >> yeah that's is that real. >> yeah and most of the hair on these. elongated skulls is red. >> oh that's so wild that's so crazy um go. back to that last image please where she. you see the dude like that guy. Imagine. running into that guy at a at a Mayan. temple. You'd be like, "Oh, Christ, they're real.".

>> 100%. >> Like that's a different kind of person. >> Like that seems the eyes are [ __ ]. massive. That seems like a totally. different kind of person. >> Yes. >> You know, >> who has very different abilities than. the average human. >> Yes. I mean, if the brain is what. differentiates us from all the other. intelligent animals on this planet, and. a a human, it looks just like a human. but different, has a brain that much. bigger than ours. What is that?

>> That's a real thing, folks. This is. these We're not making this up. These. [ __ ] skulls are real. That's crazy. >> Yep. >> That is crazy that there was a person. like that. The only museum I've been to. in the world that has any sign that. indicates it may have been alien is. Malta. When you walk into the museum in. Malta, it actually has a poster that. talks about the the lack of the sagittal. suture. It has a picture of an alien on. it. >> Really? >> Wow. >> And they leave their skulls out. A lot. of these museums, especially the ones in.

southern Peru, they've sort of tucked. them away. They've put them in dark. cases so it's harder to take pictures of. them. You can't. They're not out there. in the open where it's easy to pop. around it. >> They're probably worried about them. getting stolen, too. >> That this There's an issue that I've. been informed about with uh ancient. artifacts that there's a whole. underground market where really wealthy. people like want to buy like Egyptian. artifacts. And there's a lot of scandals. involved with a lot of these people that.

are in charge of these artifacts where. artifacts go missing and people get rich. and you know they sell books that nobody. buys and all a sudden they have a. mansion, you know. [laughter]. >> Yep. Yep. >> Yeah. And if you're if you're on a. government salary and you can slip one. of these voses away. >> and sell it, you're going to make a lot. more money than you're going to make in. the working for the government. >> Not just voses, but even skeletons. There's evidence of skeletons going. missing. Yep. skeletons they found in a. sarcophagus and then all of a sudden. they said, "Nope, there's no skeleton.".

And then there's clearly documentation. that they found a skeleton that leads. back decades ago and then today they're. saying, "No, no skeletons." Like, >> where's the skeleton? >> Nothing to see here. >> Yeah. And some of that that's the weird. thing is like some of these these skulls. that they find, if you could find the. entire skeleton, you would imagine that. is a very big person. These are not. normalsized people. Like whatever the. structure that's, unless they have an.

enormous head and a little tiny body, if. they have a proportionate head to their. body, you're looking at a seven, eight. foot tall person. This is a huge head. >> Yeah. And there's giant lore all over. the world in every ancient civilization. >> And in [clears throat] the [ __ ]. Bible, >> I don't believe that that's imaginary. And I don't believe it's myths. I think. that it's remembering. >> Yeah, I think it is, too. I I think. there's probably a different version of. people that existed. And uh I think the real problem is we'll. we're dealing with the fossil record.

And the reality of biological life is. neither you nor I is very likely to. leave behind a fossil. Yep. >> So a thousand years from now, no one's. going to know who you were and no one's. going to know who I was. And they're. they're not going to be able to tell. from our bones. You're not going to find. them. Yeah. >> They're going to be absorbed by the. ground and that's a wrap. And in order. to get a fossil, a very specific set of. circumstances has to take place. >> Yeah. >> And so, you know, we're lucky that we. have some skulls. We're lucky and. there's, you know, a thousand years old, 2,000 years old, however old they are.

But you get back to 10, 11, 12,000 years. ago, 15,000 years ago, 50,000 years ago. Good luck. >> There's nothing left. >> Good luck. Unless you're finding it in. the perafrost, like in Alaska, like my. friend John Reeves, he has that place, the Boneyard in Alaska. He's the best. That's so cool. >> Love that. That place is crazy. >> Have you been? >> No. He keeps trying to get me to go out. there, and I I will eventually. I. promise. But, um, the spot is absolutely. bananas. He's finding all kinds of.

insane things out there, including. animals that aren't even supposed to. have existed in that area. So, they're. rewriting the idea of like what was. alive, like what what animals were. alive, different cats and different. bears. >> Yeah. [sighs]. [gasps]. >> Like, we don't know that much. We're. we're basing like think about all we. know about the dinosaurs. It's amazing. how much work they've done. It's amazing. how many dinosaurs they've documented. >> But if you look at the amount of. dinosaurs that actually lived over the. >> hundreds of millions of years, hundreds. of millions of years that dinosaurs roam.

the earth, there's a tiny tiny tiny. fraction, a tiny fraction of these. dinosaurs that we find that are. fossilized. Yep. >> Most of them are gone forever, including. who knows how many species that we're. completely unaware of. we have no. evidence of whatsoever. Now, think about. an intelligent species that probably. buried their dead like we do or maybe. even burned them. You know, we don't. know what they did. Or, you know, maybe. they were even more enlightened. They. did the Tibetan sky funeral where they. let themselves get eaten by vultures.

>> You're not going to find anything, >> right? No, you're you're absolutely. right. I It feels like people should be. just maybe a little bit more open to our. past. >> I think people are. I think the problem. is some of these, and I say some, it's. only some of these academics. >> Yeah. >> There's a lot of people that are. deviating from that now. And again, it's. a lot of young people, >> you know, like guys like Michael Button, do you know who he is? He's great. He. went to school, got a degree, and was. like, I think there's more to this, and. I think I could do a better job doing a.

YouTube channel where I just research. these things thoroughly and provide you. with a very balanced perspective on how. crazy all this stuff is and how none of. this really makes sense if you use the. conventional timeline. >> Yep. And people are hungry for that. information. >> Yeah, I am. It's I'm obsessed. Thank. goodness that the internet has. democratized it so people people like me. can get on there and put a video on and. just see what people think. >> And you really learn a lot when you see. people like you get attacked, you know, and people like you Jimmy Corsetti and.

all these people like they go after. people so hard. >> and they always take the same lot. They. always take. >> It's always racism. >> It's racism. Exactly. That's what I was. going to say. Which is so crazy because. no one's attributing the Indian temples. to anything other than Indians, >> right? >> Like it's not racist. It's just saying. I'm saying Indians from like a long ass. time ago. It's the same people. They. >> It's something to be even more proud of. >> Yes. Yeah. It's It's crazy. Like no one. is saying that the people in Peru, humans in Peru, didn't make that stuff. No one No one's saying that, right? >> That's exactly what we're saying. Yep.

>> We're But what we're saying is probably. the people in Peru were incredibly. sophisticated before the flood. >> Yeah. >> That's probably what it was. >> Egypt, it doesn't make any sense that. they're shutting that down. it to extend. your timeline if you're able to to. 20,000 years ago. That's twice as much. to be proud of. [laughter]. >> Right. >> Right. But it's it's just the academics. who have like firmly stamped 2500 BC. Bam. This is this is what we know and. we're going to stick with it. Yeah. >> Despite all the hard evidence, like the. geological evidence disputing that is.

really weird. >> because like look guys, rain does a very. specific thing to stone over thousands. of years. This is hard evidence. >> right there. >> Yeah, >> that's right there. And you don't really. know when it was built. You're just. guessing. But this isn't really much of. a guess. This is actual evidence. >> Yeah. >> And for them to not even consider that. and to just dismiss them and just lucky. that guys like Robert Chuck had tenure. >> And lucky that also that he wasn't an. archaeologist. He's a geologist. And. what are they going to fault him for his. methods, the way he did it, what he.

said? No, you can't really because it's. pretty rock solid. We should be leaning. on these geologists and saying, "What do. you see?" and then informing our. theories based on what they're saying. >> Yeah. >> Not the other way around. >> Ben Van Kirkwick has done amazing work. on some of the erosion that's around uh. some of the the the pyramids and some of. the bases of some of the structures. around the pyramid and that it seems. like there's many levels of construction. and that the oldest oldest stuff has a. preposterous amount of erosion. Like.

insane amount of erosion. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> Yep. I mean even in so I've spent a lot. of time researching Cambodia. If you look at the so there are eight. different pyramids in the immediate. [clears throat] anchor watt area and. these pyramids are massive and when you. when you walk up to them you can see how. incredibly ancient they are and the the. dating on these pyramids are you know. 900 AD to 1300 AD. So, not very old the.

official dating, but when you stare at. the stones, you can see the same thing. you see in Egypt. You see just ancient. weathering patterns down the sides of. them. You can see how the whole site has. been rebuilt and they don't talk about. it, right? So, the entire history of. Cambodia, nobody nobody is open at all. to exploring that it might be older than. 800 AD. >> Let's look at some photos of Ankor Watt. because it's another incredibly bizarre. place. And um when people use the. conventional timeline to date it, it's.

not it's amazing and it's beautiful, but. it's not as crazy when you really if if. if you take into consideration that no. one really knows when it was built and. the possibility that it's actually. 11,000 years old, 12,000 years old, maybe even older, >> it almost kind of makes sense. Have you done. >> because it would look just like that? >> Yeah. And the the temples or the towers.

inside the core of Ankorwatt, in my. personal opinion, the core of Anchorwad, it's got three different layers. The. core, I think, is extremely old. It's. got these five central towers. They look. almost melted. So, you can see the five. in the middle. As you move out by each. layer, all of the iconography in. Anchorwatt changes. So in the center. it's all um deities, it's religious. symbolism. As you move out it becomes. war scenes and elephants and battles,

right? So you can see where each. successive culture has built on to the. outside of Anchorwatt. But the core of it, it it looks. enormously old. >> And let's get some photos of the core of. it. >> Have you ever have you ever discussed. the LAR findings around anchor watt? >> I have not. [clears throat]. Jamie, I have some photos in my Cambodia. folder. >> Trying to dance the line of looking at. these before I switch over to your. stuff. >> God, look how beautiful that is.

>> Look how the the trees roots are growed. all around it. >> Cambodia is one of the most special. places on this earth. >> Imagine what that was like during its. prime. >> Oh, >> that's the Bon Temple. >> The temple with 218 faces. Wow. >> Enormous faces. >> So, uh, are those is that like those are. clearly different stones brought in. >> Yeah, they're individual stones. >> to compare to the other stuff we've seen. where it's not that correct.

>> Yeah. Very different. Very different. kind of construction. Yeah. >> I'll show you the light. >> Spectacular, but maybe makes more sense. than like Kyasa. >> In 2012, that's a great photo, Jamie. >> In 2012, [clears throat]. they did a LAR survey in Cambodia. And. what they discovered in Cambodia. completely shocked the world. So you can. see Ankorwatt in this photo is right in. the middle of that giant moat. There. were huge moundfields all around.

Ankorwatt inside this moat and outside. of Anchorwatt. And then if you go south. of it, you can see these giant spiral. embankments. If you just zoom out a tiny. bit, Jamie, do you see those spirals in. the bottom left side of the screen? >> Mhm. Those are from one side to the. other. They're a mile long. >> Yeah. So, these are the geometric. features at Anchor Watt. >> And these are hidden from the nicot. >> Yes. They're under the jungle canopy. Nobody knew that these were there until.

2012 when the LAR results came out. >> Holy [ __ ]. >> There are mound fields that are a mile. This particular moundfield is a mile. long. It's got it's a 10x10 moundfield. And these mounds are enormous. They're. like 30 feet across. And there's no. explanation at all for what these are. >> And they didn't even know they existed. >> They didn't even know they existed. So. this is Anchorwatt from the air. Very, very interesting. That western beret.

where you see, that's a man-made, it's. the largest hand cut reservoir on Earth. It's 8 kilometers long and 2 km wide. So. you can see the old CMRE International. Airport just south of it. That's the. size of this thing. It is enormous. The. official archaeological story of these. berets is that they were uh hand dug and. that they were used to water rice. [laughter].

There's one on the left side. That's a. western beret. There's an equally large. one on the east side. So there are two. of them that are 8 kilometers long on. each side. two kilometers wide. Just an. enormous volume of dirt would have had. to have been removed to create these. And there's no discussion at all about. what they were for, how they were made. They're just attributed to different. kings based on inscriptions found in the. corners of these sites. So, if you want to talk about mysteries,

in my humble opinion, Cambodia is one of. the most mysterious places on Earth. What did they how old do they think this. reservoir is? >> Uh like 900 AD. So not old at all. And. there's no explanation for how it was. done. Just to excavate the western beret. is the equivalent of 53 Giza sized. pyramids of dirt moved out of it. So. this is it today. You can see there's a.

temple in the middle of it. >> That's so big. That's so crazy that they. they supposedly dug that out by hand. >> You can see this from space. NASA's. taking photos of it before. >> There's no explanation for for what they. were doing there. >> What is the images of the pyramids up in. the corner? >> That's the 50. Yeah, that's the. equivalent. So 138 million cubic meters. of dirt to dig that out. >> How deep is it? >> It's, you know, five or 10 meters deep. Um, and I I believe that they, you know,

they dug out the inside and then they. built these large walls, you know, retaining walls on the outside. So, I. don't think that there's huge piles of. dirt somewhere. I think that's, you. know, it was just deepened and then they. built the walls around them to retain. them. But there's a lot of really uh. interesting complex things going on with. these berets. >> Uh, this reminds me of I'd had. Perplexity dig up something on the Kiosa. Temple. >> Yeah. >> Uh, let me find it here. it.

>> I was it was just going into like um is. the ability of what do you know how many. people they thought made it I guess I'll. ask you that first do you know how they. the conventional method they said 250. people made it over five and a half. years. [laughter]. >> the problem with that is uh it started. to. >> I like to hire those dudes [laughter]. >> it started to tell me like that's kind. of like okay but then it started to get. I was like actually the hardest part. with this is going to be removing all of. that rock.

>> Yeah. >> Like where not they couldn't didn't say. like where is it but it just was going. into the math. This is all the the. perplexity did. It's all this math on. um. >> this is Kyasa. >> Yeah. >> The amount of stone that can be removed. every day. >> And it just it [clears throat] would. have taken it is even just the 250. people is a fourth of the potential uh. the number they tried to destroy it with. for three years. [laughter]. And it has the same tools. I guess they. just said it had some sort of metal.

This says five and a half years. >> They tried to destroy it for three. years. Just quit. >> Really frustrating. Three years. >> A thousand guys tried to destroy it for. 3 years. You imagine that. [laughter]. >> That is crazy. >> It was 100 and it's just exaggerated, you know? They couldn't do anything. >> That's really crazy. >> Some you know how mad that king was. He's like, just destroy it. [laughter]. >> Imagine what a dick he must have been. >> Oh, yeah. to want to destroy that. [clears throat] That's the problem with. kings. >> It's the problem with kings.

>> Good lord, that's wild. >> So, yeah, [clears throat] the c Cambodia. is incredibly mysterious and nobody. talks about Cambodia. >> Would you like some coffee? >> Um, sure. Thank you. You're. >> welcome. So, how did you get involved in. Cambodia? How did you uh What was the. first thing that you looked at? >> I went there for the first time three. years ago. Um, it was a quick stopover. We were getting ready to uh hike the. Sandong Cave in Vietnam, you know, the. largest cave in the world. >> I saw that on 60 Minutes.

>> Yeah. So, we we had that trip planned. and I said, "Well, Cambodia is right. next door. Maybe we should just pop over. there for a week." So, we did. And, you. know, walking on these sites, it's the. same thing I was talking about earlier. You I like to hire local guides just to. hear what's the story that that they're. telling you, what is the official. history? And the story that they told me. just it doesn't match what you see with. your own eyes. Right? So they say that. the earliest civilizations there built. in brick and then they built with stone.

Over time they developed the ability to. build with stone. But all of the brick. is on top of the stone. It's on top of. these massive pyramids, right? So it. doesn't it doesn't make sense that the. oldest stuff is at the top. So I started. sort of questioning the history of. Cambodia. I got into these LAR results. which are really fascinating. I mean. they discovered entire unknown cities in. Cambodia with LAR. So on top of the. Cooland Mountains which is the plateau. where they uh quarry all of the stone.

for anchor wad all the sandstone there. was an entire massive city on top of. that plateau that they had no idea was. there. There were pyramids there were uh. 2,000 acre reservoirs. There were mound. fields, there were, you know, massive. causeways, and it was all just hidden. under the uh the trees, the jungle. So, it's, you know, in 2012, sort of the cat. was out of the bag in Cambodia. And.

what's interesting is it should have. made international headlines. You know, these spiral embankments that are a mile. long on the south side of Ankorwatt, nobody knows what they are. Nobody has a. good explanation for what they are. archaeologists say, you know, maybe it. was a garden feature, maybe it was. fishing. And in my mind, you don't build. milelong earthn embankments in a shape. of a perfect spiral unless you have a. very specific reason for doing that.

>> What do you think that reason was? >> I don't know. I, you know, I'm starting. to put together a theory about I I think. it all had to do with water. They were. channeling water down from the Cooland. Mountains, which is about 50 miles away. from Ankor Watt. They were channeling. water down, building 16 kilometer. diversion channels, taking the water way. out of the way, running them through. moundfields into these giant reservoirs. All of these reservoirs have pyramids.

connected to them. And it's one system after another of. reservoirs with temples in the middle, pyramids connected to the outside. It. feels like a massive industrial. undertaking and I've gone back and. forth. Does it have to do with energy? Possibly. I personally think it had. something to do with. how they were treating the water. Like. if they could um if they could get it. structured maybe right so that it was.

better for plants, better for people, better for animals, better for. consciousness. There was a massive. undertaking happening there that um that. just isn't addressed at all by. archaeologists. Nobody's tying together. these different systems and saying, "Gosh, that was a monumental. undertaking. I wonder what they were. doing that for. It's all just rice. farming is the official story.". >> Can you show me that lidar image again? >> I'm looking for There's I'm looking for. more. I keep running into just the. scientific papers about it. >> They have the LAR images locked away.

Yeah, they've done a bunch of studies on. this and there's some cool photos, but. I'm trying to find like, you know, >> Can you go back to the ones that we were. just looking at though that she provided. because I want to see the um the the. patterns. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That. >> Okay, that perfect. Like, so those. features are weird. >> That's really weird. >> They're huge. They're a mile long and. half a mile wide. Like that yellow. square. >> And they're symmetrical. >> And they're perfectly symmetrical.

And this isn't the only place in. Cambodia that has these. >> And so we're probably looking at an. intensely sophisticated civilization. >> Yes, absolutely. I mean, the the moat. you see dug in the middle of that. structure that was built built during. the Camar period, which is the. civilization that all of this is being. attributed to. They're the ones that dug. that through the middle. So, I don't. even think they knew that this was here. It was just completely covered. >> Yeah, they they just dug right through.

the middle of it. >> And so this is probably really really. old. And people have lived in that same. place. Look how crazy that looks. >> That's almost crazy. >> Every inch of ancient Cambodia is. engineered. There's a there's a site called Karee. It's about 200 miles northeast of. Ankorwat. They discovered a 7 kilometer long. man-made dam that created a 2,000 acre. reservoir. >> Look at that image.

>> That's hers. >> Yeah. They they didn't know that this. was there. >> That's crazy. >> I was on a tour with Derek Olsen um last. last November and we actually took the. tour group out to the corner of. Ankorwatt and walked those mounds. And. what's interesting is when you're out. there, you actually can't tell that the. mounds are there until you're kind of on. top of them. And then you look around. and you're like, "Wow, I'm feet above. the rest of the landscape." And then you. kind of keep walking because these. things are 30 feet across. So you keep. walking and then suddenly you're at the.

bottom of the landscape. So I don't. think that they knew it was there. >> Wow. It's so big that without light art, you're really not going to get an. understanding. >> So what it is that picture um Yeah. Yeah. So, there's a good example of the. jungle canopy being kind of stripped. away. This is what it looks like from. the air. >> Wow. >> Without light. >> Wow. So, there's no way you would know. >> No. >> Wow. >> Entire cities, 7 km long dams, huge. reservoirs. They didn't know about any. of this until LAR came out.

>> That's incredible. >> Also, look how the trees are just. growing back in. >> That's so dope. >> Look how awesome those roots look. >> Yeah, that's the Laura Croft Temple. It's called Tapron. Oh, really? Yeah. She filmed. Laura Croft was filmed at. this temple. [laughter]. >> For real? For real? They actually let. her film there. That movie. Yeah. >> Wow. >> Pretty dope. >> Yeah. >> Tourists love it. >> That tree just overcoming the building's. amazing. >> They have their hands full in Cambodia. with preserving these temples because.

the jungle's actively tearing it down. >> Yeah. It looks like the jungle's trying. to consume it with that tree. >> Absolutely. >> Like eventually it will. Yep. Eventually, if more trees grow like. that, it'll break down all the stone. underneath it. >> The the structures I believe are older, like the pyramids, they're a little bit. more impermeable to these kinds of. things. The newer temples, like the one. you see on the screen, they just get. ripped down. You know, it's it's a. little bit inferior construction. So, it's newer. Obviously, I think the Camar. actually built those. And so, those just.

get ripped down immediately by trees. But the really old stuff, the the. pyramids, if you see photos when they. excavated it in like the 1920s, they. were fully intact. You. >> you were talking about the center of it. that it's different that it looks older. Is there any clear images of like what. that looks like? >> Um if you of the pyramids or of Ankor. Watt. >> Ankor Watt, >> the center. >> I don't think I have photos in that. folder, but you can um if you. >> because you were talking about the. difference between the iconography.

Yeah, if you search the just the central. towers of Anchor Watt, you're probably. going to find images of that. The the. central it's so it's three layers that. get higher and higher as you get toward. the middle of Ankorwatt. And in the. middle of it, it's very it's just it's. carvings that just blow your mind. And. they're all um they're all spiritual in. nature, which is something you see all. over the world. So in India where I just. was it was the same thing. The older.

structures it's spiritual imagery and. then as you move out to the newer. structures it's all war scenes you know. you can see the deevolution of human. consciousness. Yeah. So these are from. the center of anchor watt. It's deities. you know it's it's beautiful 3D. carvings. You can stick gum wrappers. through these. So they're they're fully. enclosed. You can stick a gum wrapper. behind these stones. >> Whoa. God, it's so pretty.

>> It's so beautiful. >> And this is all this. So, it's that's so. interesting that. the people that probably built it first. had. >> no interest in war. >> No interest in war or at least had a. very enlightened perspective. It does. support, you know, the idea of I know. you've talked about the Yuga cycles on. this show, but the idea of the of human. consciousness having reached its peak. 12,000 years ago and has just been.

slowly devolving ever since. You can see. that in the imagery in some of these. temples, plain as day. So, yeah, there's. a lot of images of, you know, war scenes. on the outer. like all of the outer layers of Ankor. Wat, but in the middle it's totally. different. Same in India. [sighs]. >> Now, does anybody have an an idea like. does anybody have a compelling theory as. to when these were made. that like is backed by any kind of.

evidence or. >> No. No. I mean, you can look at carbon. dating um and you can poke holes in the. carbon dating all day long. So, they'll. carbonate wood samples. You know, these. are made of stone. You can't date stone. Mhm. >> There's there's reconstructions that. have happened on all these sites that. are brick and then there's going to be. there's wood um doorways that are put in. and they've carbonated the wood and the. wood in a lot of instances is coming.

back older than the accepted date of the. temple construction in general which is. a little bit problematic. So like. there's a a pyramid called Bong which is. the oldest accepted pyramid in Cambodia. That one's dated to um like 800 AD. the. wood samples in the repaired sections of. Bong are from the 600s. And they say, well, that's generally the same, you. know, and and so you have to ask. yourself if they were reconstructing and. rebuilding these sites, say they were.

doing that during the Cimera times, they. were using bricks and they were using. wood to repair these sites. They were. doing that in 600 AD. So, how old is the. pyramid itself that they, you know, they. came there and they repaired the. pyramid. How old is that core structure? >> Yeah. And to assume that it's the same. age is crazy. >> It's crazy. >> Yeah. >> And and it's a bit of a circular. argument because they they date a temple. based on an inscription and then they. look at other temples that don't have. inscriptions and they say, "Well, this. one looks a lot like this one." So they. they place it in the same time period.

So it just becomes this big circular. logic of all of it fits the story. neatly, you know, based on one. inscription. >> That seems so silly. >> Yeah, >> it really it just doesn't make sense. It. seems much more likely that there's a. giant mystery. >> Yes. >> Yeah. And especially when you look at. the difference in the artwork and the. way it looks. Will you show me, Jamie? >> Uh this they say they had this one took. 300,000 workers approximately 30 years. and they never finished. >> Anchorwatt. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And this says they also started at.

around 116. 116 CE. >> Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. So, I was I was recently in India a. couple weeks ago and I saw something. there that was the most impressive thing. I've seen with my own two two eyes. It's. called the Bahub Bali statue. I have. photos in the India folder. It's a. thousand tons. So, it's as big as the biggest destroyed.

structures or the biggest destroyed um. statues in Egypt, but it's still. standing. It's in India. It's on top of. a mountain. It's made of granite. That's. a person. >> Whoa. >> At the bottom of it. >> Holy [ __ ]. [snorts]. >> It's made of white granite. There's, you. know, the jury's out on whether it was. moved there, built somewhere else and.

moved there, or whether this was built. at the top of the hill from living. stone. But in my mind, this thing is. clearly machined. It's absolutely perfect. Those ears are. five and a half ft long. >> Wow. Look at the lips and the fingernails and. everything. Look how crazy the precision. is. >> It's perfect. Look at the head. So, these are all. photos I took while I was there. It.

stands, you know, it's 60 feet tall. It's a thousand tons. So, it's the. largest standing statue on Earth. from ancient times. >> And where's the stone supposedly coming. from? >> Well, you know, this the story is and I. actually think I believe it. It the. whole mountain is granite. And so, in. order for this thing, so that's just it. poking out above the temple that's built. around it. >> That's mad.

>> It's insane. that you know the story is. that basically it was. >> look at the leaves on his arm. >> that they built it out of living stone. that it's still connected to the. mountain and it kind of looks like that. when you walk around it. You can see. this rough stone at the bottom but it it. looks very different than the stone from. the mountain itself. So this is a white. granite. Yeah. So you can see how it. almost looks like living stone. >> Mhm. And I can't imagine how you could. have erected that and moved it to the.

top of this mountain. Um, so I. personally believe that it was it was. found, you know, it was built there and. a large stone that was there and they. just went in and chiseled the statue out. of it. >> Yep. It represents Bahubali, which was. the it's a Jane statue. Um, and Bahubali. was a man who achieved enlightenment by. standing still for a full year. So the. ant in Cobra Hills at the bottom and. then the vines grew up around him.

>> Oh. >> So he is the picture of enlightenment. >> Whoa. >> So just just look at that image. It. how was that built? I sat in front of. this thing for two hours. just entranced by it. And the beautiful. thing about this the temples in India is. they are all living temples. So, they're. actively being taken care of by the. community. They're active places of. worship. They're not off in the jungle.

breaking down. They're being taken care. of. Um, and you know, this looks like it. was carved yesterday. >> And what timeline is this attributed to? >> About 980 AD. >> And why do they think that? >> Because of those very unsophisticated. inscriptions at the base of it. >> Can I see those inscriptions? >> Yeah. Right there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They're not so sophisticated. They. look really shitty. >> So, they carved those around the base. and they said, "I built this.". >> Look how clunky those inscriptions are.

>> This paragraph here on this thing I. showed you about hangar watt. >> Mhm. >> Shines a little light onto that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It says like I'll let you read it. >> Uh, building buildings of temples by the. Chimera kings was a means of. legitimizing their claim to political. office and also to lay claim to the. protection and powers of the gods. Hindu. temples are not a place of religious. congregation. instead their homes of the. god. In order for a king to lay claim to. his political office, he had to prove. that the gods did not support his. predecessors or his enemies. To this.

end, the king had to build the grandest. temple palace for the gods, one that. proved to be more lavish than any. previous temples. In doing so, the king. could make his make visible his ability. to harness the energy and resources to. construct the temple and assert that his. temple was the only place that a god. would consider residing in on earth. Interestingly, in Cambodia, all of the. pyramids were the first structures. claimed by the kings. So, the first king built the first.

pyramid, the second king built the. second pyramid. So, what I think they. were doing is they were going into this. landscape and they were finding these. incredibly sophisticated pyramids and. just like that paragraph suggests, they. said, "Well, this is the coolest thing I. can find around." and they wrote their. name on it, you know. And then once all. the pyramids were taken, then they. started claiming the berets. They. started claiming the really nice. temples. Like there's a temple called. Bantier S, which is a red sandstone. temple. It's beautiful. It's one of the. coolest places I've ever been. You know, they they claimed all of these places.

first. So all of the coolest stuff in. Cambodia is the oldest. And then once. everything was claimed, then they. started building new ones like that. Bayon temple that you saw with the faces. and the smaller stones. Um, so that's what I think happened in. Cambodia. >> Jamie, can you go back once again to. that giant statue and the inscriptions. on it? Those inscriptions are weird cuz it's so. shitty. >> Yeah. >> Like look how bad the lines are, how. squiggly they are and broken up.

>> And there's another photo in there of. the rest of the inscriptions. They're. even worse. I mean, these are actually. very nice compared to the ones that are, >> but not when you consider the grandness. of the actual statue itself. The statue. is so spectacular. >> Yeah. I mean, look how they wrote it. Just up any space that they could find, they they wrote their name there, >> but it looks entirely different than the. rest of the statue. >> It looks super clunky. >> Yeah. >> Like, it really does. It It's It's a. stark contrast. >> The toe on this statue is 3 feet long.

[laughter]. >> The ear is larger than most humans. >> That's so crazy. Like, looking at it is. so It's so. >> Isn't it incredible? Imagine the time. that it would take to make something. like this with chisels. >> Yes. [snorts] And there was nothing else. made like it. >> Not only that, like what are we talking. about in terms of metal urgy back then? >> Oh, hammers and chisels. >> Yeah. Well, did they even have iron? >> Yeah, they did. >> They they had iron. So, they had iron. chisels. >> And this is again, was it 900?

>> 900 AD. >> God. >> And it's almost perfectly symmetrical. >> And you think it looks machined? >> I do. It looks very similar to the. Egyptian statues. I have some. sideby-side photos in the folder of. >> Can you focus on the neck, Jamie? Go. back to the neck because one of the. things that was crazy about when you saw. the image of the neck. Like look at the. lines. >> I know. >> Like what is that? >> There's lines similar lines like that on. the large statues in Cambodia. And. there's similar lines like that on the. large statues in Egypt. >> This only reminds me of Mount Rushmore.

Didn't we make that by hand or no? I. don't know. >> I think they use dynamite. >> I'm just kid that's the only thing in my. head I can think of. [snorts] No, that's. true. Mount Rushmore is immense. >> And this is white granite. So, this is. an extremely hard stone. >> What was Mount Rushmore made? >> I don't I don't have to look. I just was. thinking of it. It's like we made that, you know, thousand years later. >> That is true. That is true. >> But we did that with machines. They had. machines back then. >> Yeah. >> I mean, they had jackhammers. They had. all kinds of stuff back then. >> when these were civilizations that were. at war, but somehow they found the time. to to carve this.

>> I just I'm I'm wondering what those. lines in the neck are supposed to. represent. But the statue is so. beautiful. >> Isn't it amazing? >> God, it's so incredible. >> Maybe they were going to make something. and stopped. >> You know how dope that would be if that. was in your backyard? I'd never get. anything done. >> You can see this thing from 50 miles. away. >> It's up on top of a mountain and it's at. the peak of the mountain. So from 50. miles in each direction, you can see. this massive statue just staring. serenely. >> So if you It's. >> It's a.

Gowara Bali Bali statue of No. So. there's a couple of different ones. This. one's the best one. So that's the third. picture to the right. >> The one in the middle. Yeah. >> So yeah, that's a drone photo of it when. I was. crazy. >> It's crazy. And it's the largest ancient. stat standing statue in the world and. very few people talk about this thing. >> I've never even heard of it until today. >> Yep. >> Wow. So that was probably just a big ass. rock that was there and they chipped. away everything to make that.

>> I mean there's two there's two options. One, maybe it was a big rock, but look. how much would have had to have been. reduced. And look at the stones to the. right. You can see how different they. look than the statue itself. >> Do you think it's possible that stone. was moved there? >> I think it's possible it was moved. there. Not with any technology we. recognize today. But I think it's. absolutely possible. It would have had. to have been taken to the top of this. mountain, which is like 650 ft high, and. stood up. [laughter]. But even if it wasn't even if it wasn't.

even it was a standalone boulder like. the ones you see below it. >> that's still an extraordinary feat. >> to carve that thing in almost perfect. symmetry in a way that looks very very. machined. >> That is bananas. >> Yeah. So you you climb the mountain. It's like 650 steps. You have to do it. barefoot because it's a active temple. On the way down it got real hot. >> Oh, you can't even wear socks. >> You can wear socks, but it's slippery.

>> Oh, so. >> gotta wear them grippy socks. [laughter]. >> I didn't think of that. >> Yeah. Well, like uh for Pilates. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> It's a It's an amazing place. And it's. still it the beautiful thing about it is. it's still just revered as a holy site. So people the James take pilgrimages. there. Every 12 years they have these. major ceremonies where they uh they pour. milk and honey and things like that over. the top of it. They build a big.

scaffolding. So they'll climb up to its. head and pour pour these libations over. the top of it. And it's it's just being. continuously worshiped. And when you sit. up there to get a little bit spiritual. for you, you feel different. You feel. like you're being healed. Like we had a. plane to catch and I didn't want to. leave. We sat in front of that. It was. my brother and I and we sat in front of. it for as many hours as we could before. we had to go catch our plane. >> Wow. Wow.

What was going on back then? That's. >> this is the real big question. Like. >> what was the height of sophisticated. civilization. 10,000 12,000 years ago? What was it. really like? And how much information. did we lose because of the flood? >> Yeah. What what's interesting is if you. look at Jane mythology, so they talk. about these great half cycles that are. an incalculable number of years and.

they're they're called turf and caras. So they're like the kings the the um. they're not kings, they're like the. enlightened ones of the period. The. first turara was Bali was the son of. that uh enlightened being. He was. described as being over a mile tall, fully enlightened, right? He was. described as millions of years old. And. these are their myths that go back to an. incalculable amount of time. And that's. just in this half cycle. So that they.

just describe these major cycles of. time. And this the images that they're. building at the top of these mountains. are of these enlightened beings that are. part of these like ancient myths. >> Geez. you know, when you go into their ancient. uh scriptures and you you read about. things like vimmanas, like the flying. crafts and. >> you know, and. >> we were talking the other day about they.

had some sort of a description that. seems to sound like a nuclear bomb. >> and you had to use it for very specific. reasons and you had to get authority to. use it and. >> Yeah. Even do you know what a Shiva. lingum is? No. >> um in my Cambodia f folder there's a. some photos of it. So in most of the. Indian temples there's a Shiva lingum. that's usually described as a uh you. know it's a it's a male component inside. a female component. So it's meant to. represent both sides of the polarities.

Um and they're they're at the entrance. of most of these temples and they're. small. They're maybe like two or three. feet long. But in Cambodia there are. giant Shiva lingums. There are ones that. are you know probably almost 20 feet. long and you can you can see those at. sites like Karee you can see them at the. top of [snorts] Panbach mountain which. is right by one of the big berets. Um in. India the Shivalinghams are even bigger. If you go to the ancient texts and they. talk about these things they describe.

them as infinite pillars of light and. fire. So are these Shivaingum these giant. Shivalingums. actually they're not? I don't believe. that they're what we say they are today. I think that they were extremely. powerful. Maybe a maybe a weapon. I don't think. so. Maybe an energy device. But if you. look at modernday stonework and then you. tie it into the old myths, you know, it. that's when it becomes really really.

interesting to me. Yeah. So that. shaveingum that the the man is standing. on in the top right photo, that's at. Hampy in India. Um, these are always. surrounded by water. They're always in. roofless shrines. This, you know, very megalithic temples. The one in the bottom right, that's not. AI. That's a real photo of these. chivaling. It's, that one's 40t high originally in. a roofless temple. by large bodies of water. Were these.

actually I mean I think that these were. all something very different than what. we're being told today which is just you. know a a spiritual carving. >> So you think this has something to do. with energy and that's why they're. surrounded by water? >> Yeah. I mean in the ancient texts. they're described as an infinite. pillar of light and fire. That's what a. normal Shiva lingum looks like that you. see all over the temples. >> right which is just like a beautiful. fountain. a very small version of of.

these monumental ones that you can find. in Cambodia and India. >> Very phallic looking. >> Yep. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Um so go back to the big ones. >> An infinite source of light. >> Infinite pillar of fire and light. >> That's what they were described as. >> Yes. >> What the hell is that? >> Like what. >> what were they doing with these things? They always face north. They're always. in a roofless temple. They always have.

major water features next to them. >> Is that how they made power? Maybe if. powery. implying electricity or something. >> or something some kind of power. >> The myth suggests that there was. something going on there. >> Well, this is the the question that I. always have when you know we when we. think about technology we always think. about in the context of what we. understand currently. Yeah. And if you. think of human beings, the way we've. progressed to get to where we are now is. through internal combustion engines and.

transistors and all these different. technologies that we're available that. that we that we have right now. We. there could have been completely. different direction that they went in. and achieved similar or more spectacular. sophistication in this different. direction. >> Yes. And the idea that this is the only. way to go is kind of crazy. >> Yeah. It doesn't have to be mechanical, >> especially when this is a fairly sick. society in terms of our value system and. you know what we you know we're we're a. mess like objectively.

>> Yes. Mentally, physically we're as sick. as we've ever been. It's the only reason. our lifespan is increasing is because. we've overcome it with technology. >> Yeah. >> Right. Right. >> We're as sick as we've ever been. As. unhappy as we've ever been. I think. that's part of the reason that. the powers that be don't want us talking. about golden ages, right? So if if you. can convince civilization that if you. can convince today's society that we are. the best we've ever been, life is as.

good as it's ever been, that's much more palatable than we are. as sick as we've ever been, we're as. unhappy as we've ever Do you think that. people are actively. trying to enforce that narrative because. of that or do you think they're just. reinforcing their own current beliefs? >> I think a little of both. >> I don't think they know. I I think. there's a lot of these people that are. these um. that are conventional archaeologists, conventional timeline proponents. I.

don't think they really study at all. I. don't think they do. I think they try to. discredit some things and they do it. very disingenuously. Like some of the. people that have gone after Graham. Hancock, they the things they say are. really kind of crazy, but I don't I. think they're doing it because they're. trying to reinforce their own closely. held beliefs and this gatekeeping of. information being the person that's the. expert. You know, this appeal to. expertise in an area where you have very. little data. Yeah.

>> It's like you really can't be an expert. in something that you, you know, especially like timelines of stone. Like. how how do you know? You don't really. know, right? You don't know. Okay. So, let's go from there. >> We don't know. That's an okay thing to. say. Yeah. >> Or I'm open to the possibilities. I. don't think they're trying to promote it. because they think that we want to. establish that, you know, human beings. today are sick and let's let's not pay. attention to an enlightened golden age. when people were different and they were.

concentrating much more on the spiritual. aspects of human life and they they had. deities that were. >> spectacular and they had technology that. was above and beyond. I think I I think. they're just not willing to entertain. it, you know. You know, I think and I. again I think that's like what they say. about science that science moves on and. progresses one funeral at a time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think that's the case with. archaeology as well. I think there's a. lot of these people that just they have. to go away. >> And then the new people coming up, a lot. of them are watching YouTube, you know,

a lot of them are reading these papers. A lot of them are looking at the work of. uh Fleo Beyond that's underneath the. pyramids and they're going, "Hey, >> explain that.". >> Yeah. because you really can't, you. know, and they're try to dismiss it so. hard, but that technology is like if you. are trust the science like you got to. trust the science and that technology is. proven that not only that they use that. technology to accurately get the. dimensions of things like that particle.

collider that's 1.2 kilometers into a. mountain. >> Yeah. So if they have that and they can. use that on a known specific structure, they know the dimensions of it and then. they get a reading that's the exact. dimensions of that specific structure. It's because technology works. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> But they don't want to even entertain it. because it's too crazy. Like if what. he's saying about what's underneath the. pyramids is correct, the whole. timeline's gone. Like everything's gone. Like it's like, okay. >> Yep. >> We don't know [ __ ]. >> You know, he just basically announced.

that he discovered a second sphinx. And. if you if you look at the layout of the. Giza plateau, it actually makes sense. that a second sphinx would be there. The. structures under the pyramid are very. difficult to prove out because you have. to dig or excavate under the pyramid to. do that. The second sphinx is if it's. there is simply buried by a pile of. sand. So that would be a very easy thing. to dig out and to prove yes, Filipo. Beyond is his technology is showing.

something that's actually there. What. does the second sphinx look like in the. images? >> He just had a a conference in Italy and. his translated version of his talk at. this conference just came out I think. yesterday or the day before and he shows. all of these all of these scans that. he's done from space. Um, and he he kind. of puts them together and shows the. shape of the structure that I'm seeing. under the ground looks a whole lot a.

whole lot like the existing Sphinx. And. he actually used AI and ran. probabilities against his scans. And so. he went to Grock and Google Gemini and. all of the different AIs and and. effectively said, if you look at my. data, what do what do you think the odds. are of a sphinx being under the sand? and AI came back in almost every. instance higher than 80% probability. that it is a sphinx based on the data. that he's showing. >> Wow, >> that would be incredible.

>> That seems easy. >> And like I said, all you have to do is. so when they when they excavated the. tombs that are right next to where. Beyond believes the Sphinx is, they took. all of the sand from those and piled it. directly on top of the Sphinx, not. knowing it was there. And so you just. need to move this sand out of the way. and dig down and you can prove what he's. whether it's there or not. >> Haven't people disputed that though? Like aren't there some photos where that. mound didn't exist from like the 1930s.

or something? >> Yeah. So that's when they excavated. those tombs. They took that that sand. and they piled it there. So, initially. when Beyond talked about this, like on. Matt Bell's podcast, when he announced. this, people came out immediately and. said what he thinks he's seeing is. actually a modern pile of of soil. But. what he's showing is is below that in. his scans. So, I I think it's a big. opportunity for the people in Egypt to. go out, do a little mission, dig down,

see what's there, and you can prove, you. know. Yes. So the dream stella it all of. these a lot of these different. traditions talk about two sphinxes and. the geometry from the air you can see. where he believes he found the sphinx. you know geometrically it looks very. similar to where the first sphinx was. found in relation to the different. pyramids. >> Whoa. [clears throat]. >> So yeah. So you know I think it's. >> go back to that. >> just just talking about it. >> I know but they say it's false. Well,

>> I love how they say that viral claims of. second buried sphinx at Giza are false. Archaeologists say it was. >> Well, how do you know if you didn't dig? >> Yeah. >> How do you know? >> And again, >> also the sphinx was buried. This is like. what's really important. Like when. Napoleon found it, it was burnt. Buried, >> right? >> So that was what year was that? >> I don't know. >> What year is Napoleon? 17s. >> 1700s. >> Was I could see the head though, right? >> Yeah, that's it. Just the head. Yeah. So.

if the entire sphinx Yeah. If the entire. sphinx is varied, I guess my point is. like. >> it's very hard to prove his claims of. what's under the pyramids because that's. a. >> look there's a picture of. >> that's a real excavation [laughter]. >> in color. >> So I mean you could easily see giving uh. a different geographic layout, you know, different topographical layout that if. the whole body could be covered. Well, if you're in a different place and the. sand comes in in a different way and it. piles up even higher.

>> It's on the west side of the Giza. Plateau, the current Sphinx is on the. east side and then you have the two. pyramids in the middle. >> So, it is possible that sand could have. just covered that over thousands and. thousands of years. >> Absolutely. And it would be easy to. prove that it's there. >> or that it's not. >> or that it's not. >> or that Beyond is full of [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Or maybe he's not. >> Right. He might not be. Well, they have. also found uh chambers inside the Sphinx. that they know are real. >> Yeah. >> So, cha chambers that are proven that.

they know exist, this technology also. shows them. >> And in Beyond these new scans, he also. shows cavities inside that sphinx. >> really. >> what he believes are. >> Okay. So, it's it's really exciting and. I think, you know, if you think about. where this field is going in the next. five or 10 years and think about the. opportunities with AI and all of this. technology, look what was uncovered in. Cambodia with LAR. Look what's happening. in Egypt with scans from space. If you.

take AI and you start to compile, you. know, I used to work for a mining. company and mining companies use lidar. or forestry companies or um. environmental [clears throat] companies. They all scan the Earth, right, with. LAR. If you could use AI to compile all. of the scans all over the world, imagine. what you could start to identify that. nobody's identified before as an ancient. structures. Like, I think you could. fundamentally change this discussion in.

the next 5 years just using AI and. different kinds of technology that we've. never been able to do in human history. We can we can translate untransatable. texts. >> Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen what's. really fascinating when they do these. scans of um scrolls from Pompei. Have. you seen that? >> The Vuvius project. >> Amazing. Like they're completely. wrapped. Yeah. >> They're and they're covered with ash. like and there's like they're super. delicate, but they've been able to use. scans to actually read the text on those.

scrolls. >> It's amazing. >> Incredible. >> And there's an incredible amount of. ancient texts that have been. untransated. What is hidden in there, >> right? you know, not just the languages. that we don't know how to translate like. Rango Rango script in Easter Island, but. translatable script that nobody's paid. attention to, the thousands of Sanskrit. writings, what's hidden in there, >> right? >> You know, so I I think it's a really. exciting time to to do this work. And I. personally believe in the next 10 years. there are going to be extraordinary.

discoveries that I think it's going to. be very hard to argue that we need to at. least reexamine our history. >> Yeah, without a doubt. I I I think. that's already the case. I think there's. uh thanks to people like you and thanks. to people that are making these videos. where you could see this. just it's just so puzzling. I mean it it. doesn't make the timeline doesn't make. any sense. It also doesn't make any. sense in terms of like a linear timeline. of technology. It's like. >> what were they using? Like how did they. move this stuff? Like.

>> and why. >> why Yeah. Why. >> why were they building these things? Why. were they building them where they were. building them? >> Yeah. You know, if you think of the. earth like a a human body, were these. sites built on the acupuncture points of. earth? They were built in highly. energetic places. When you go to these. sites, you feel different. People. describe spontaneous healings. I have. different dreams when I visit these. ancient sites. You know, I I do a lot of. meditations. And when you meditate on.

top of a pyramid in Cambodia, you drop. in immediately, you know. So you are as. a human, you're resonating with these. sites in a way that you don't when. you're not at them. And so I believe. personally that they were building these. sites in these places for a reason. >> Well, it makes sense. Uh, and the idea. that different places don't have. different energy is just one of those. things that people like to say that. we've got a a clear understanding of. what energy is and what you know what.

what is different about these different. places. It's just different geology. It's just there's nothing special. There's nothing but we don't really know. that. There's so many things that we. can't measure and we definitely don't. understand why certain places have a. different effect on human beings. I. mean, just wilderness has a different. effect on human beings. It's it's, you. know, like forest bathing, it's a real. thing. Like hugging trees actually is. good for you. Like [laughter]. grounding, walking barefoot on ground is. actually good for you. And we don't.

truly understand why. And there's. something that in some way that we're. connected to the earth that we don't. quite understand. >> Yep. Right after I left my corporate. life, I did a basically like a. wilderness quest. So, picture of like a. Native American vision quest where I. spent four days on the side of a. mountain with no food, no tent, nothing, just a journal and myself for four days. with no food.

>> Why did you do that? >> It was it was it was because I needed to. heal from the corporate life that I had. lived. that I needed to recover. And. >> how bad are jobs? >> How bad are jobs that it's better to. have no food and be sitting on a. mountain for 4 days to get your head. straight? >> What I'll say about that experience is I. think that humans don't let themselves. get completely silent any longer. So. what you're saying about nature healing. you, you know, over the course of three. days, your body gets very weak and the.

voices get a lot quieter and suddenly. really the only thing you hear is your. soul or God or whatever word you have. for it and you watch the stars pass at. night and you're sitting there all day. and it's it was one of the most special. experiences I've ever had. >> Did you bring water? What did you do? You have basically like you have 3 lers. of water per day that you hike into this. area and you just sit with the water and. that's it. Um the last night of it was.

really cool because what you're supposed. to do it's it's it's meant to be a a. healing and kind of rebirth, right? So. the last night you you set up rocks in a. circle and you at sunset you enter the. middle of the circle and you you're. keeping an all night vigil. So, you're. watching you literally watch the. constellations move all night and you're. supposed to try I I succeeded but barely. to stay awake until the sun comes up.

And so, the idea is that you're entering. as one person and you're leaving the. next morning as another person. And so, the the Native Americans with their. vision quests, they're doing it right. I. think that we have completely lost uh. our connection and ability to tune into. ourselves and to tune into the earth and. you know quests like that are really. amazing. >> Wow. And it's being blunted every day by. phones and TVs screens and. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> flipping through Tik Tok,

>> you know, it's it's different than. sitting with yourself. >> in complete silence. >> What a complete polar opposite to. corporate life. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Thank God. >> [laughter]. >> Corporate life has its place, but Yeah. >> Well, has its place. I'm on an iPhone. >> Yeah. >> Somebody's got to make a laptop. >> Totally. And people need to make a. living, right? >> Yeah. It's just there's other ways. [laughter]. >> Not for everybody. I mean, we need. people to not get it so that they keep. working so we have stuff.

>> Yep. Exactly. Or, you know, at least to. spend a portion of their life doing. that. And then. >> when you think about ancient. civilizations and how much time they. spent in ritual and how how important. these things were to them and how they. had this very strange connection like. all a lot of these ancient structures. particularly like the Aztec structures. and Egyptian structures they mirror the. constellations. >> Mhm. >> And so they they had a a understanding. of their place in this universe. They. they knew how to make these temples so.

that the pillars, the summer solstice, the sun would part through the middle of. the pillars and light these corridors. like that. That's incredible. sophistication. That's incredible. planning. This understanding of when the. sun's coming up exactly at a specific. time of the year was the longest day of. the year to the knowledge that the sun's. moving in the sky, but it'll be back on. this day and this is where it's got to. be. So, this is where we have to build. >> And they encoded that in stone. >> and they didn't miss. They didn't get it. off by a half a foot or 6 in. No, it's.

like right there. Sun in the center, right up the middle. Like, how did you. do that? >> Yeah. >> How did you do that? You did that while. you were hunter gathering. Like, what. are you talking about? This is bananas. >> In the spring equinox, the sun rises. exactly over the center tower of. Ankorwatt. >> Like, perfect. >> They knew. They knew exactly what was. happening and they built their. structures around it. >> God. Which gets back to the why, right? Like, yes, how did they build this? It's. mindblowing, but why did they build it?

Why did they build it the way that they. did? Why did they build it where they. did? Look at that. >> Isn't that incredible? >> That is bananas. >> Look at all the people. Just straight. >> Wow. >> Straight up the east side. >> What are the odds? I mean, the odds are pretty pretty small. that you would nail it like that. [laughter]. You definitely get fired if you if you. were off a little bit. >> That is crazy. It's so crazy. It's so.

crazy. >> Were really in tune. >> What was it like? I mean, how much time. do you spend thinking about what society. must have been like then? Like. >> a lot almost every day. I wonder what. humans are like if we're not on this. path that we're on, you know, with uh. propaganda and gaslighting and. technology and being inundated with just. nonsense all the time and wrapped up in. materialism and brands and [ __ ] and.

popularity. >> I think we're in touch with each other. I think we're in touch with the earth. I. think we have a deep relationship with. God. It's all of the things that people. are still searching for today. We just. feel fully disconnected from it. And I. think that's why these ancient sites are. so appealing to people. >> You know, why people travel all over the. world to see them. It it creates a sense. of wonder and awe in us that very few. other things do. >> Yeah. >> You know,

>> um I'm really fascinated by the Mayan. civilization and the timeline of them. because that's another one that's really. weird. >> Yeah. Like the the Mayan structures are. so strange. I've that's the only place. that I've been. The only ancient place. I've been is Chichinita. And when you're. walking around, you just go, "What were. these people like?" Like, "What was it. like living here?". >> Were you there when you could still. climb it? >> Yes. Me, too. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We went in the 90s. >> Yeah.

>> No, maybe early 2000s. Yeah. Early. 2000s. And uh it was stunning. It's. weird. It feels weird. There's a lot of. ancient stuff in Mexico. You know, the. Memech things are really mysterious. The. Mayan structures, their myths, they're, you know, it's it's old in southern. Mexico. >> Well, how about the Aztec stuff where. they didn't even make those temples. That's what I didn't know. I didn't know. that until fairly recently. >> I mean, it's no different than the. Chimera in Cambodia. >> Yeah. But at least they said it. >> Yeah. >> They said these are the place where the.

gods were born. That's how they. described it. So, we we attribute those. temples to the Aztecs. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> but they they were like, "Nope, they. were already here.". >> Yep. >> Okay. Well, but then who? >> The Inca say the same thing in Peru. We. didn't build these. These were already. here. But we don't listen to them. [laughter]. >> We're like, "You guys don't know what. you're talking about. People wrote. myths. Those are just stories. >> Silly people.". >> Yeah. Um, one of the things we talked. about the other day was that there's a. bunch of different cultures that have um.

a timeline of uh the kings where they. they ruled for thousands and thousands. of years. Yeah. Like one king ruled for. thousands of years and then you have the. flood and then you have the ages of. these people drops off pretty radically. and then becomes a normal age like human. beings. >> Yeah. And we look at that and we go, "Oh, that well that's just myth back. then." Yeah. Until it's history. And. it's the same texts like in the same.

depictions of these kings. They have. accepted dates. You know, the 5,000 year. ago, 4,000 year ago kings. Well, yeah, that guy was real. >> Yeah. >> But these other ones that lived for 3600. years, no, that's not real. >> Same with the Janes. Like I was talking. about earlier, there are 24 tthankaras. All 24 have lived according to the. James, but archaeology has only. recognized the last two of them because. those were the only, you know, the. timelines and their lifespans that kind. of fits. But when you talk about the way.

back days, that's just myth. >> What do they say their timelines were? >> Oh, that I mean millions of years. [laughter]. And the, you know, the first earth car. was over a mile tall. >> Oh my god. >> You know, so that it's just but it's. consistent across the world. The James. talk about it, the Hindus, the. Egyptians, the Sumerianss, all the. Bible, all of them talk about very long. lifespans, giant statures, you know. Is. it is it coincidence that all of our.

ancient myths talk about the same. things, >> right? >> Or might it have been true? >> Yeah. Well, then there's the book of. Enoch, which is um Anna Paulina Luna turned me. on to that. She's like, "You got to read. that." And I I I've read it twice now. I'm like, this is the most bizarre. depiction of a human story. >> Yep. >> The watchers came down and mated with. the daughters of men and created the. Nephilim. Yep. >> Who were giants who destroyed and. consumed everything.

>> and were wiped out by the flood. >> What? >> And the the accepted biblical texts. barely hint at that. They still talk. about it. Yes. But the extra biblical. cannon talks it the stories are much. more like the book of Enoch. Yeah. You. know it there's a reason I think that. those were excluded from the Bible. >> Well, they were excluded by rabbis. >> I know. >> because they didn't jive with the Torah, [laughter] which is hilarious. Like you. you get to disco and they all were in. the same uh caves in Kuman. Like the.

version of uh the book of Enoch was in. the same as the book of Isaiah. They. were all in the same scrolls. >> Yeah. I. >> was just like, "What?". >> Yep. >> How do you guys leave this out? Like, you imagine if they taught that at. church on Sunday. You'd be like, "What. are you saying?". >> Yeah. You know, David and Goliath, >> the Watchers. >> It I think it's interesting that you can. totally accept that David and Goliath is. a real story. And Goliath was a giant in. the Bible.

>> Yeah. Right. >> How How tall was he supposed to be, though? Couldn't he be like a really big. guy from Iceland? >> I think he was described They described. the way that the Hebrews described it is. that they made them feel like. grasshoppers. >> The giants, the Nephilim made them feel, you know, they were like, "We are as if. we are grasshoppers." So, I think that. they were meant to be very, very large. >> Um, it would be really nice if they. found a Bigfoot somewhere. >> Oh my. I love Bigfoot. >> Not a [laughter] Bigfoot, not the. animal. I mean, like a giant foot, like.

a sto Exactly. Yeah. David and Goliath. So he was supposed to be 10 feet tall. Often calculated as roughly nine to 10. feet tall. The thing about that is like. you know people are full of [ __ ] and. they can make up a story. The guy was so. big he was 10 feet tall. But meanwhile. he could have been like the mountain. from Game of Thrones like a real person. Yep. >> Maybe 6 and 1/2 ft tall. >> Any of our basketball players today. >> Who says he was 6 and 1/2 ft tall? Scholars. >> The Dead Sea Scrolls. >> The Dead Sea Scrolls. So six cubits in a.

span often calculated as roughly 9 to 10. feet tall in the ancient Hebrew text. Greek and Dead Sea Scrolls uh texts say. four cubits in a span. So that's only 6. and 1 half to 7 and 1/2 ft tall. depending on how the cubit was defined. So that makes sense. So who knows? >> 9 to 10 is pretty big. >> Yeah, 910 is big. But if the Dead Sea. Scrolls are correct, then it's only 6. and 1/2 ft. So he's a basketball player. >> Yeah. >> You know, that's. >> not even a really tall one. >> Yeah. You know, there's Who's the.

biggest basketball player now? How tall. are they? >> There's there's a kid that's like 14. that's almost 8 feet tall. >> What? [laughter]. I don't know if it's going to make it to. the NBA or anything, but. >> just plop it in. >> Oh my god, that's so crazy. That's so. big. So, you got to imagine. >> But you got to imagine with technology. So, they're working right now on life. extension technology and they've already. figured out a way to reverse the age of. skin cells and they're on their path to.

being able to stop human aging and maybe. potentially even reverse it. >> If that technology becomes implemented, >> this kid's 79 now. >> Jeez, >> 20 years old, though. He's actually. playing basketball, but. >> jeez, huge. >> So, he's bigger than Goliath by a lot. He [laughter] Goliath would talk [ __ ]. about him, write a story about he got. his ass kicked by a basketball player. Uh but if you can imagine this. technology being implemented in the. future and then being refined and then. getting to a point where they really. have it mastered, you know, like like we.

have with so many medical interventions. that we have today. You you could get to. a point where someone could live to a. thousand years or several thousand. years. And if you're the king, of course. you're going to want that technology. And you're also going to be very. protected. So you're you don't have to. worry about dying in other ways unless. somebody usurps you. >> Yeah. So you can like the Samrian kings. list and some of these like the Zeppy. list. You look at that and you go what. what are they saying? Like why why was. this guy 6,000 years old? How did he how.

did he rule the country for 30,000. years? That sounds insane. Yeah. >> But it doesn't sound insane if they. master biological aging, which is not. impossible. >> It's not impossible. Not only is it not. impossible, they're actively working on. technology that's going to allow that to. happen in our lifetime. You think it's. going to happen in our lives? >> 100%. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. >> Human quest for immortality. >> Well, I don't think that's going to. happen, but I think you're going to. extend life. You're going to extend. biological life in a significant manner.

And maybe. for the sake of looking at things. through rosecolored glasses. Maybe. that's a good thing. Yes. >> Because one of the things about humans. is we barely have enough time to figure. out how much of life is [ __ ]. >> Yeah. while you're wrapped up in it. And. then if you have responsibilities, you. get married, you have a family, you have. a mortgage, you have a bunch of there's. no time to recognize how fruitless a lot. of your thinking and behavior and how. stupid a lot of the things that people.

concentrate on. But as you get older and. older, you get better at it. I'm way. better at it now than I was 20 years. ago. Way better. Way better at life. I. would imagine I'm going to be better. still 20 years from now, unless I'm. decrepit. So 20 years from now, I could. be all worn out and like, you know, my. back hurts and get off my lawn. You. know, you get stupid. >> Not in my backyard, >> right? You get goofy. You get goofy. because you get old and sad and, you. know, you're not healthy anymore. But if. you were 80 years old and healthy like a. healthy 30-year-old,

>> you're wise at that point. >> Yeah. Well, then you have immense amount. of life experience. >> Totally. >> And then if you live under 100 years on. top of that, you Oh my god, I was so. stupid when I was 80. Back when I was. 80, I thought I had it nailed. But now. that I'm 180, now I see. >> The question is, if your lifespan is. expected to be 200 years, then do you. work until you're 160? So, does it just. expand the stages that we're all going. through now and you just work longer? >> Well, it depends on what work is. So, if. work is your love, why not, right? Like,

if Yeah, it really depends on what work. is. So, if it's hard labor, that doesn't. sound fun. I don't want to be an 800y. old roofer. That seems like, geez, my. hands would be so lived to,200 years, you still got a long retirement. [laughter]. >> Well, I think retirement's out the. window if you can stay healthy. Cuz the. whole idea of retirement is like, why. are we retiring? We're retiring because. we hate our jobs. >> Okay. Well, maybe if you loved your job, you wouldn't want to retire. >> Totally. >> You know, George Carlin died on the. road. He died in a hotel room, I think, in Las Vegas. >> You know, and you hear lots of stories.

of people working their entire careers, retiring, and then promptly dying. >> Oh, yeah. >> Within six months, they have a heart. attack and they die. And they had all. these big plans and they just never see. them through. >> Yeah. And they just feel like the end is. near and that that the the creeping. doom, the existential angst in the back. of your head is probably contributing to. a lot of your decay. >> Yeah. >> Because you've kind of like checked out. You know, that happens a lot with. spouses. You know, the husband dies and. the wife dies shortly thereafter. My. grandparents, my my grandmother died and.

my grandfather died within a year. >> Yeah. Yep. >> That's what happens when the woman dies. first. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's so much harder for the man to. live without her. [laughter]. >> Is it? Is it? >> Yeah, I think so. >> Why is that? >> I mean, if you think of the all the old. widows, you know, the women live my. grandpa died 15 years ago and my. grandma's 93. >> She's still living. She's still going. >> That's interesting. >> You know, she knew how to cook for. herself and clean and things like that. But had it been reversed, I'm not sure. that he would have lived that long.

>> Maybe. >> So, >> depends on the relationship. So, I've. see a lot of relationships with older. couples where the woman becomes like the. caretaker. >> Yeah. >> I think dudes get dumber quicker when. they get older. So, [laughter]. >> no comment. >> They just worn out by the time they hit. 80. You know, a lot of times the wife. tells them like, "Okay, you got you're. right. You're right." And then they just. like fall into that role where the wife. is in charge of everything. >> Have you seen the stats of um the the.

expected lifespan of a man that's. married versus not married? No, >> I Jamie, I don't know these off the top. of my head, but they've done studies. that talk about basically the lifespan. extension that happens with men when. they have a woman in their life. >> Is it longer? >> Yes. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. >> Well, then when there's no woman, then. it's filled with cocaine and hookers. So, that takes years off your life. >> and lots of burgers and beer, [laughter]. you know, you're not eating a salad, >> right? Well, it's it's loneliness is. worse than cigarette smoking. They found. that.

>> Totally. >> Yeah. Loneliness is like one of the. worst things that can happen to people. Yep. And it, you know, really the term. spirituality is is it's kind of tainted. in a lot of ways because there's a lot. of goofy people that use that. Like I'm. not religious, but I'm spiritual. Like. it's. >> the term unfortunately has like a stink. to it. >> Yeah. >> But there is a connection that we have. to each other that's not as simple as we. would like to think. Like we need each. other. We need each other in very.

profound ways. And it's it's actually. important for our survival. >> Yeah. >> And what that's why the worst thing they. could do to you in prison is put you in. solitary confinement. >> We are a pack animal. >> Yeah. Yeah. We're we're supposed to be. connected to each other. >> and it's not a preference thing. That's. why when someone says like, "I'm a. loner." I'm like, "Okay, well either. you're the only one that's like that or. you're full of [ __ ] or you like you want. to pretend you're mysterious. You like. to be alone." Like we like we attribute. strength to that. Like oh, he doesn't. need anybody. And it's so hard now to to.

build your tribe. You no longer live. where your grandparents and your parents. lived. You are out there on your own. You're spending hours on your phone. You. have a community that you feel like is a. community, but it's not. You don't have. you don't have a [snorts] tribe anymore. >> Yeah. And then people find their own. tribes and usually they're political. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They get ideological or religious, you know. >> You want to fit in. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And that's what we do. I mean, that's why when you see so many people. that are religious devotees, like, why.

are why are they willing to do that? Why. are they willing to wear those clothes? Why are they willing to act that way? Well, it's because everyone's doing it. and you want to be a part of it. And. there's like some some good feeling of. community to where everyone's kneeling. at the same time and saying the same. things. There's something to that that. like is very profound totally with human. beings. And if it's directed in the. wrong way, it could be incredibly. destructive. But if it's directed in the. right way, if it w it's if it's real. ceremony and real worship and real.

openness to the cosmos and to to God and. to spirituality, like real true. understanding, real connection with the. universe, then it's probably a lot. better than the way we're doing it. >> 10,000%. I think that's why the. psychedelics are coming back in such a. huge way. It's people It's people. accessing that part of themselves that. have been shut down their whole lives. >> Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. because I think that's the missing. element and I think that's what probably. was very prevalent in the ancient times.

And um this is the work of Brian Mur. Rescue. I'm sure you do you know about. his stuff? The immortality key. Did you. read that book? >> Yes, I did. >> So he I actually got super fortunate. that um my family and I were in Greece. when he was going to be in Greece. And. so I got a tour of Illusis with him. He. took me there. >> and he showed me all the different. places and it feels so strange. It feels. so strange. Like you're you're standing. in the place where these people had. these Illusinian mystery ceremonies and.

it just feels weird. Like my family got. a little weirded out cuz I was like. holding on to I was like standing. >> Did it feel good? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely good. >> Like like a connection. >> It felt [ __ ] strange. Like I was. holding on. I was I had my hand on this. wall and my daughter was like, "Are you. okay?" I'm like, "I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm just I don't want to talk. right now. I just want to like. >> Yeah. >> sit here and try to soak this in. >> Like, is daddy upset? Like, no. No, no, no. Not upset. No. Like, cuz your dad's. just like holding a [laughter] rock.

>> It's a little destabilizing for a. child.". >> I know. Like, [laughter] is daddy okay? [snorts]. They thought it was cool, too. But, you. know, it's hard when you're 13 or 12. It's hard to like go, "Oh my god, what a. special place." They're like, "Yep, old. old stuff. What are we eating?". >> Rocks. Cool. [laughter] Yeah. >> Like we took him to the uh museum in. Athens and one of my daughters loves. museums. The other ones like couldn't be. bothered. She was like bored by it all. But I was like this is crazy. Like these.

people lived 2,000 years ago and they. made this stuff. Like you know how nuts. this is? Like how did they do this? Like. what were they doing? Like what was this. society like? Like this is to be able to. just see this the work of people that. they've left behind and to just imagine. the amount of time that's taken place. and then you put yourself back. >> into that timeline and like. >> we just assume that this way that we are. this is how people are because this is. how people are today. It's so hard to.

put your mind into like what it's like. and what it must have been like to live. back then. If you go to places earlier. this year I went to Easter Island and. Peru and both of them are described as. the [clears throat] navls of the world. you know so they have these these origin. myths in both of these places and when. you're in these places you have. different dreams you sleep really well. you feel just good you feel like you're. on peptides you know you just feel. you're like oh my gosh I feel so healthy.

I feel healed and you it so the The land. itself where they built a lot of these. ancient places is powerful. You know, I. don't I don't think it's a coincidence. that we see the Moai and Easter Island. built around this absolutely incredible. place or Cusco, which is such a. beautiful place that you see these stone. walls. I think that they built there. because of the energy that was there. already. >> What do you think was before that? [clears throat]. And like what is this timeline? How far.

does it go back? Like what is the origin. of sophisticated civilization? Like what. is the year? When does it all start. happening? >> I wonder sometimes if the purpose of. building structures like that is so. people like you ask those questions. >> That's the whole point. >> Well, maybe. >> is to is to blow our minds and get us to. think about consciousness and the. history of our species. The fact that.

we're sitting there having this. conversation is because of the stones. that were built who knows how long ago. >> Yeah. >> And maybe that was the point. >> It certainly could have been a part of. the point because what we're doing today. when we talk about our society being. sick and superficial and silly. All of. our structures are temporary. >> and they're ugly. >> Well, some of them are cool looking. I. think some are cool. [laughter]. >> Some of them. Yeah, >> they're cool. They they're certainly not. anchor watt cool. >> Yeah.

>> You know, they're cool, but the the. point is like they're all essentially. temporary. A thousand years from now, none of them will exist. They will all. be absorbed by the earth. >> And that's hard for people to. understand. If you're walking through. Manhattan, like this will always be. here. Nope. Nope. Nope. It won't. It. won't. If everybody just left. >> and you came back 5,000 years from now, there wouldn't be [ __ ] here. Yeah. >> So then it leads me to this question. the timeline that we're looking at. If. you're looking at pre flood timeline, you know, 11 12,000 years ago, things. were sophisticated,

>> maybe it's way longer than that. Because. if if you have a 100,000 years of super. sophisticated civilization, what what. does that look like? Yep. >> What do people look like then? >> And this is one of the things that. people are proposing when they. >> look at anatomically modern human. beings. So anatomically modern human. beings and then not these Peru skulls. but whatever just you and I are. >> They've pushed that back now to 1. million years. >> So okay, why did it take so long before.

people just like you and I figured out. agriculture, figured out civilization, figured out cities? >> What were we doing that whole time? >> What What was going on? And is it. possible that it's just when you go back. that far, you don't find anything? Y, >> you don't find anything. That seems more. likely to me. And when you look at the. immense. erosion that uh Ben Van Kirkwick has. pointed out to the really the older.

stones in Egypt where you can clearly. see they've built on top of them on the. outside and you see this intense erosion. like this is tens of thousands of years. of erosion. Well, what if it's a hundred. thousand? What the [ __ ] is left? What if. it's 200,000? >> What's left from a 100,000 years ago? Maybe some stones, myths, and spiritual traditions or. 10,000 years ago. The that's the only. thing that makes it through cataclysms, the human stories, spiritual traditions,

and these megalithic stones. >> And a real cataclysm. If you're talking. about the destruction of civilization. itself, how many of those people even know the. stories? How many live? How many. scholars survive the apocalypse? How. many? I mean, we know that 70,000 years. ago, the Toba volcano, the super. volcano, wiped people out down to the. point of I less than 100,000 people on. Earth. >> Just 70,000 years ago, >> right? >> 100,000 people.

>> We have been on the brink so many times. >> Can you imagine like one Eagles football. game, >> right? Take that crowd. That's the. entire population of Earth now. >> Yeah. Right. One packed UT game. That's. everybody on Earth. And now we have to. branch out and go to China and go to. Africa and go everywhere. That's all the. people on Earth. >> That just shows how amazing and. resilient we are. >> Yeah. And also fragile. Yes. You know, and and also it really.

it really shines a light on the. preposterous nature of the conventional. timeline. It really does because it's. like look guys, there's so much evidence. that there's holes in the story. >> Yeah. >> At what point in time do you stop and. say, "Look, there a lot of these people. did great work and they made these. conclusions based on the understanding. that they had at the time. But as time. has gone on, there's come a point where. we have to reevaluate this. And if you. don't reevaluate it, you're going to.

lose all the respect of the people that. are paying attention." Totally. because. there's too many people that are looking. at this and saying, "Hey, no one's. discounting or discrediting your work. No one's saying you're a bad person.". You know, no one's saying you're an. idiot. It's like this is what we knew. back then. But to say that this is all. we know and any new information, as. profound as it might be, like 1.2. kilometer structures underneath the. Great Pyramids, like that doesn't mean. that you're an idiot. It just means that. this is an ongoing thing. It's not done.

>> Yep. We haven't figured it out yet and. we're not going to for a long ass time. This is a long trek and as LAR improves. and as the radio tomography and all. these different things that they come up. with and then imagine the advances 10, 20, 30 years from now in their ability. to look like look at subsaharan Africa. Very little expedition's been done there. and they're like what? >> Let's light our subsaharan Africa. >> There's whales there. >> I've seen the whales. >> Whales? Yeah. Okay, so. >> they're incredible. What the [ __ ] You.

find whales in the desert. Okay, what. else is out there? Is there a city under. all that [ __ ] Like, what is that? Like, what what is in there? >> You know what's funny though? You can. reveal cities under the jungle and. nobody talks about it, >> right? >> You know, they they just did that in. Cambodia and it's not headline news. around the world that there are entire. cities being found in the Amazon jungle. or in Cambodia. It just is one quick. headline and then everybody ignores it. Well, it's good for us because it it.

gives us great podcast content. [laughter]. >> You know what I mean? It's like it's the. only way people could find out about it. And again, it's science. The LAR scans. of the Amazon are spectacular. >> Incredible. >> And you you look at it and you go, "Oh. my god, there was probably millions of. people living here. This is not like a. bunch of tribal people that are shooting. bows and arrows all the time. No, >> they were engineering the rainforest.". >> Oh. Yeah. And it just the fact that more. people aren't talking about this is a. little stunning to me. But I just think.

they don't get informed. And then they. also assume, you know, you see some. YouTube headline that's got big fancy. font and you know, people are older than. we think. Like, oh, go on. [laughter] I. went to Cambridge. [ __ ] off. >> And you have a lot of AI stuff out there. that's just complete bogus. >> Yeah. >> You know, so you it's hard to know what. uh what the truth is. >> Sure. And then there's a lot of weird. stuff like the Sage Wall in Montana. I've watched some videos on that. I'm. not convinced. I I think that might be a.

a weird geological formation. >> Yeah. >> But it doesn't look like it. Parts of it. really look like it. Stack stones. >> I think that, you know, during the ice. age in North America, it was an. extremely harsh time with walls of ice, right? So if if the younger dus happened. the way that I believe it happened, North America would have been just. almost wiped clean. You know, if so, if. there were ancient structures here, they.

probably didn't survive the way that. they did in Egypt and other places like. that. >> Certainly not under the glaciers, right? >> Cool. I just found. >> what' you find. >> I see the middle of the desert here. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to zoom in. Desert. Desert. Desert. Desert. Desert. Right. >> Right. [clears throat] until. >> Whoa. >> An ancient fortress. >> How old is it. >> of draw? Why? No one knows what it [laughter] is. >> What? >> Yeah. They don't they they're assuming.

that maybe uh as a hiding place for Jews. when they were being persecuted and and. taken out of there. But according to. this, no explanation. It's just in the middle. of the desert. >> Whoa. >> Sand, straw, and clay. >> Whoa. Oh, >> just like look at the dunes. Imagine if. it didn't just I'm blown away. >> Imagine deciding to build there. >> No, nowhere. >> Why did they build. >> or what else is around it? You know. what's hiding underneath next to it? >> God, what did it look like when it was. first built? And what is it made out of?

Sand. >> stone. What is it made of? >> It said sand and clay. >> Wow. >> Which means it's probably It probably is. newer. >> Yeah, >> sure. But I'm at my point is like it's. hiding under the desert and then just in. the middle of nowhere and no one I've. never heard of it being brought up on. here by anybody. >> One big sandstorm and that thing's gone, >> right? >> Buried. >> Look at all the sand. >> Well, the crazy thing is think that that. sand was all jungle and before that it. was ocean. >> I know. >> This it's so insane. >> Seeing the whales in the middle of the. desert is a surreal experience.

>> Surreal. Have you seen them in person? >> Yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> What is that? Like how close they let. you get? >> Oh, you just walk right up to them. There's just like little rocks on the. ground outlining the skeletons. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> But it's, you know, when we were driving. out there, they were they had security's. concerns. So, we had a security car in. front of ours, then ours, and one behind. us. >> Look how bonkers that is. >> Yeah. It It looks like dragons. [laughter]. It's just otherworldly. It's so neat.

>> That's so crazy. >> It's a long drive, though. It's like a. whole day. >> Well, the dragons thing is a weird one. Yeah, >> because there's uh this is one of the. things that the view made fun of me of. He said he believes in dragons. [laughter]. was saying that. So I put I changed all. of the headings of my social media. account. Dragon believer. That's what. [laughter]. Cuz I'm like that's so funny. >> Yeah. You and millions of other people. around the world and almost every. ancient civilization. >> Yeah. >> believed in dragons. >> It's very odd. It's very odd that they.

all have this story of these ancient. serpents. Uh but but also they were. really bad at their depictions of actual. things. And um one of the things that I. pointed out to Jamie was when I visited. Italy a few years ago, I went to this. really old church and they had this uh. stone mosaic artwork that was of Noah. and uh was it Noah and the whale? >> No, Jonah. >> Jonah. Jonah and the whale. I think. that's what it was. But this whale does.

not look like a whale. It looks really. weird. It's this really weird looking. thing that's supposed to represent a. whale. Why? Because they never saw a. whale. So like they're they're making. their own version of what a whale. stories, >> right? >> Yeah. >> See if you can find that. I know it's on. my Instagram. Super old. I think it was. probably 10 years ago. >> Um but whatever the [ __ ] that is like, okay, that's how they That's it. Like. look at that thing. [laughter] Ain't. that dope? >> That doesn't look like a whale, >> right? at all. Right.

>> But. >> looks like a griffin. >> Yeah. It looks like some kind of a. monster that lives in the ocean. So this. is like their version of describing what. a whale looks like. Right. >> So when they're describing dragons, like. what are they really describing? Do they. actually fly or we or are we talking. about like crocodiles? Like what are we. talking about? Are we talking about like. some sort of extinct dinosaurs that. survived and then, you know, they only. made it for a few thousand years ago?

Because there's things that we know. existed during the human timeline that. they just don't exist anymore. They went. extinct. Yeah. You know, giant sloths, for instance, is a bunch of North. American animals. 65% in fact, of all. North American megapa didn't make it. after the younger dus impact. >> Yep. >> So, what what is what is the serpent? What is the dragon? Like what? Why is. why does China have one? Why does Japan. have one? Why does Eastern European have. one? Why why does so many ancient. cultures talk about this one specific.

thing? >> Yeah. >> And the Bible references it like 34. times. >> What's interesting though is in most of. the ancient civilizations, the serpents. or the dragons are meant to be guardian. figures, right? So they were presented. in a positive light. They weren't evil, right? >> But in the Bible, the serpent is. actually the trickster, >> you know? So it's it's one of the only. traditions in [clears throat] the. ancient world where the the serpent is s. it's suggested that the serpent is evil. evil.

>> in Adam and Eve in that depiction. >> You know he tricked Eve. >> Yeah. >> But in front of all of the temples in. Cambodia there are giant naga which is. like the seven or nine headed snakes and. they guard the liinal space between the. outside world and the temples. So that. that's their purpose right? They're. there. When you see a naga, it means. you're entering um you're entering a. temple. You're entering the zone of the. gods. So, it was always positive except. for in ancient Christianity.

>> Yes. The King James version is [snorts]. the version that says dragon, but it's. uh probably a translation issue maybe. >> Ah, interesting. So, sea monster, serpent translated in many modern. versions as jackal, sea creature, or. monster depending on the context. A. dragon often renders Hebrew terms like. tanin, which is a sea monster, a. serpent, interesting, >> fire breathing reptiles. >> But it's just like what were they? Like. why were there so many versions of this? Was that a real thing? And is it a real.

thing from 11,000 years ago? Is it a. real thing from 20,000 years ago, 50,000. years ago? And again, when when it comes. to the fossil record, like how much. evidence would there be of that thing. existing, >> right? They didn't even find dinosaurs. until like what the 1700s or something, >> right? Yeah. >> Whenever it was. And then there's a lot. of people that think dinosaurs are fake, which is fun. [laughter]. >> There's all sorts of rabbit holes you. can go down. >> It's a flat fun. Well, they have a point.

in that uh a lot of what you go to see. in the museum is not an actual dinosaur. skeleton. It's a recreation. >> Totally. >> Yeah. Because the actual skeletons are. probably somewhere else. That is a fact. And then it's also the fact that they. take like portions of it and then they. recreate what's missing and then create. a skeleton. >> Make a lot of assumptions. >> Yeah, there's a lot of assumptions. Yeah. >> Well, this is why um in um the the. science museum in Bosezeman, Montana, we. talked about this before. I went there. with my kids once and they have a raptor.

and on one side of the raptor it's what. we think of like from Jurassic Park that. it had like scaly skin like a lizard and. the other side it's covered in feathers. the bird, >> which is Yeah, this is the alternative. perspective. >> This is Gus, the most complete uh. dinosaur type T-Rex skeleton. 61%. complete and it is for sale right now. >> Oh, how much does that cost? >> You want to guess? >> 20 million. >> Yeah. No, no. More. [laughter] More. >> You're taking It's the bids are going. up. >> 80 million. >> Yeah. I mean, that's the I think the. expected is somewhere in the 65 to 80.

million range. >> Whoa. And 60% complete. >> 61%. Yeah. >> So, that means you're getting 39%. [ __ ] when you buy it. I don't I. think they've just left some of it out. I don't know that they filled it in all. >> Oh, okay. So, that's what's left. That's. actually what's So, there's some stuff. missing. Doesn't look like. >> his little arms. >> He does. They're right there. >> See, there's some. >> Okay. Some Some stuff ribs and [ __ ]. >> That looks pretty. >> I don't know. It looks pretty complete. [laughter] That looks pretty complete. That's sick. There was a house that I.

looked at that was for sale in uh Malibu. once and um in the house they it came. with a dinosaur. If you paid an extra. million dollars, you get to keep the. dinosaur. >> Really? >> Yeah. They had a raptor skeleton. >> That seems expensive. >> It was a little high. A little high. [laughter] Well, the house was a little. high. It was It's probably worth 50. bucks now. Nobody wants to live there. >> I think a lot of times about what it. would feel like to be hunted from the. sky, >> right? The pterodactyls. Sometimes. you'll be hiking in the desert and. you'll see a, you know, a hawk will fly. over you and you'll get that shadow.

>> Yeah. >> And just imagine if it's just this. massive hunter just coming for you. There's nothing you can do, >> right? When did those die off, too? >> Gus has some bite marks on his ribs. >> Whoa, that's crazy. I wonder if that's. postmortem. >> Fossilized bite marks. >> Yeah, that could have been somebody. scavenging them. >> Yeah, could have been. So, Trinity. So. the So uh it's valued between 20 million. and 30 million. The highest pre-sale. estimate ever placed on a dinosaur at.

auction. >> Yeah. I think there's already some. higher bids than that though currently. >> I bet there's a lot of dorks out there. with a lot of money. [laughter] Want. that [ __ ] in their house next week. >> People love to touch history. >> Yeah. Elon's probably going to have that. [ __ ] at SpaceX. >> Oh, do you do you want to touch some. history? >> Yeah, sure. Yeah. >> Okay. I brought you a little show and. tell. >> Okay. Oo, exciting. >> So, I grew up in western Nebraska on a. giant corn farm.

This is called a Jimmy Allen point. This is 9,500 years old. >> Wow. >> It's a spear point. So, it was being. chipped basically when Gobeclet was at. the height of its building. >> Wow. >> 8,500 to 9,500 years old. My grandpa had a load of rock delivered. to his house and that was in it. So they. would dredge this this river rock from.

the rivers, the Plat River, and deliver. it to your house. And he found that in. his yard. >> Holy [ __ ]. >> Isn't that an incredible experience? >> That's amazing. >> To touch it. >> That's amazing. I don't know how old. this one is, but this is from here. >> Oh, yes. That's a pretty good one. This is. actually better. This one's really good. >> That one's substantially older than. this. >> Yeah, >> I bet this is 2,000 years old. That. one's almost 10. >> That's crazy.

>> So, I'm going to show you something. else. It's just a part of one, but this. is part of a fulsome point. >> Which is 12,700 years old. So, that was. >> definitely. created to hunt something that's. extinct. Now [laughter]. >> you can see the flute up the middle and. the look at the work on the sides of it. >> Wow. That's crazy. >> It's the most incredible stone work. And. you see that over time it went from.

Clovis to Fulsome and then down the line. to to points like this and it just, you. know, became Yeah. So th those are This. would have looked like that if it was. full. >> Wow. You're seeing the central flute on. this one. But both of these were found. out on my farm. >> That's pretty amazing. >> Yeah. I saw you talking to Taylor. Sheridan about arrowheads and I thought. to myself, I wonder if Joe would like to. hold a 9,500y old spear point. >> I did love it. Thank you. Thank. [laughter] you for letting me hold that.

That's pretty dope. It's pretty. incredible too when you think about the. history of North America that when. Europe and China and all these other. parts of the world had developed. sophisticated. civilizations and machines and all these. different things. And these people were. living a very nomadic hunter gatherer. life. >> like essentially in the stone age all. the way up to the 16 1700s until. >> except for some of the mounts. So some.

of the mound structures like in. Louisiana, I think those are about 9,000. years old. Really, >> I believe. And those are massive. platforms, right? Like earthworks that. are almost at least unexplainable for. why they would have built them. >> Do you think flood? >> I don't I don't think any of them have. been dated to pre flood. >> So this is post flood, whoever was here. >> So if people lived here, so the White. Sands, New Mexico footprints are all pre. flood. That's. >> 23,000. Yep.

>> Um, one thing that's interesting is. those people were barefoot, right? So, the question is like what was. sophisticated civilization like in North. America then? Because it seems like. North America in particular because of. the fact that up until 11,000 years ago. was covered in ice. Most of North. America was covered in like a mile high. of ice. It's so hard for us to think. >> Chicago gone. >> Can you imagine? >> Yeah. Gone. Montana gone. Yeah.

Everything's gone. Colorado gone. Everything's completely covered in a. mile of ice. >> And then 11,000 years ago, it all goes. away real quick. >> And then you have the Great Lakes. >> Yeah. Which is so strange. And then if. you look at Randall Carlson's done an. amazing job of like sort of illuminating. like what kind of a mass of water it. would have sent rushing through the. entire country. >> Yeah. at the time that these things were. almost instantaneously melted. Like how.

insane that must have been if huge. asteroidal impacts slammed into these. ice caps. >> Here's what two miles of ice looks like. next to a city. >> Oh my god, [laughter]. [gasps]. that's so crazy that that everything. that we see when you drive through. Kansas and Nebraska and Iowa, all that. was under all that. >> Yeah. My husband's from North Idaho and. you can see the all of the ancient. remains of these lakes, you know, these.

ice dams that burst. >> Yeah. >> Just float over the landscape. And I. think Randall Carlson is especially. gifted in describing these events. Yeah. >> Making it real for us. >> Well, he's obsessed and he spent so much. when I met him. I met him in Georgia. I. did a show in Atlanta and I met him like. 2005 or something like that and he was. explaining it to me back then and I and. I had never heard that before. I was. like, "What?" Like that was my first. introduction to the younger d impact. theory and that's when it started.

putting all the pieces together. Okay, well that's what ended civilization. That's and that and now that we know. that that's a real event because of core. samples because the you know they've. been find they find layers of vidium. which is very common in space very rare. on earth and these microdiamonds that. appear when you have impacts. >> the black mat. >> Yeah. >> They know that it happened. So, some big. events happened. I think they think. 11,800 years ago, and they think again. like 10,000 years ago. They think it.

happened more than once. >> Yeah. >> Would kind of make sense that it took so. long for civilization to reemerge? >> Yeah. And the question is, did that. civilization that was alive at the time. know that it was coming? >> Right. >> And what did they do to prepare? >> Right. Or could they have even? >> And did they know that probably the only. thing that was going to be left after. that is stone? M. >> So what is encoded in that stone for us. to read today? >> Yeah, that's the weirdness of um things.

like Egypt when you look at the pyramids. and the dimensions and how the. dimensions align with the. >> you know the the dimensions of earth and. the distances to the moon and yeah it's. all the whole thing is very weird. >> It's very weird. >> It doesn't seem like coincidence. >> No, >> it seems like they knew exactly what. they were doing. And what is the you. know the one language that's going to. survive? Geometry, math, right? Astrology, >> right? It's universal. >> stones are the things that are going to. survive. Myths,

right? So that it's a it's messages. being passed down to us today and now. people are looking and paying attention. and it just it's it's a complete. obsession for me. I don't know how. anybody thinks of anything else besides. ancient history. [laughter]. >> Once I get into it, I feel the same way. >> Amazing. Yeah, I mean. >> it's too amazing. It. >> It's certainly a puzzle and uh if it. wasn't for people like you and other. people that are doing similar things, most people would be very blissfully.

unaware of how nuts the the actual. physical history of the earth is. >> Yeah. Yep. And you know, until recently, a lot of this, first of all, people. couldn't travel around the world. They. couldn't. they couldn't read scripts that weren't. in their language. Archaeologists were. exploring sites and their papers were. going to the universities. And so we. didn't have the opportunity to see these. global patterns the way that we do now. To to link, okay, I see the same thing.

in Egypt that I see in India. Like this. thousand ton statue is in India and it's. also in Egypt. What about these walls? They're the same. I don't think it was. as easy to do that back in the day. you. know, even the people that were deep. into the research in Egypt in the 1800s, they weren't traveling to Peru. So, we. are at a very unique time in history. where we can look across all of it, especially in the next 10 years when. we're leveraging AI and other. technologies from space-based scanning. or whatever. I I think it's going to.

fundamentally change the way that we. view the history of the world. >> I think so, too. And so, thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you for. your channel. And uh thank you for all. your interest in this because it's uh. absolutely fascinating. >> Thank you for having me on. This was so. fun. >> My pleasure. Let's do it again. >> Okay. Love that. >> All right. Thank you. Bye everybody. [music].