Joe Rogan Experience #2524 - Rupert Lowe

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> Thank you for being here. Really. appreciate it. >> No, it's my pleasure. >> And thank you to uh Brett Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, and Elon Musk for. helping connect us. They. >> We are going to see Elon on Sunday. So, he's been an incredible support for us. So, I I don't know how you want to play. the I'm totally in your hands. I'll I'll. follow your lead. But I mean, he's been.

helping us cuz Britain's in bad shape. And uh. >> Yeah. And that's why you're here. And. this is what we're talking about. We're. talking. >> Well, the rape gang, we've we've done. this is a. >> crowdfunded this. >> Okay. >> Uh which I'm very happy to to talk to. you about, which I think. >> just this title of that rape gang. report. Yeah. the idea that there's rape. [clears throat] there's actual rape. gangs in the UK in 2026 and it's is it. being ignored? Is it being downplayed?

Like how is it being received by the. media and by the politicians over there? >> Well, the history of it is that. basically as you probably know uh. Britain after the war decided they were. going to play a part in Europe, a bigger. part in Europe. Well, our elite did, the. British elite. And to do that they had. to basically diminish the power of the. nation state and they had to head. towards this European superstate which. is is the EU. The genesis of which was. obviously in anomy. >> Why did they have to diminish the power.

of the nation to do that? >> Because I think Britain was a proud. nation state. We we we with your with. the American help we'd won the war and. we hadn't been uh invaded or conquered. which most of Europe had been. So you'd. had mass uh dislocation in Europe. huge. numbers of people had been dislocated. and pushed all over all over Europe and. I think the socialists I was in the. European Parliament so I spent a brief. time as an MEP uh a member of the. European Parliament uh when we finally.

achieved well a kind of Brexit we can. talk about that but it wasn't a proper. Brexit so I I I think the genesis of the. rape gangs going back to this was the. fact that multi-ulturalism. was the order of the day they wanted. open borders. They wanted a. multicultural society. They they they. basically felt the nation state had been. the cause of of world wars effectively. starting with Napoleon. Then obviously. we had uh the Kaiser then we had Hitler. and and and I think they saw it that way.

the Mones, the Spinellis and the people. who constructed the European Union. So. to to to the rape gang report which was. your question ultimately that that the. genesis of that is this multicultural. invasion almost of of Europe. >> Can I can I pause you for a second? So. what you think is that the multicultural. invasion the way the way it was set up. was on purpose and it was on purpose to. sort of diminish the idea of. nationalism. >> Yes. I I think that that well I'm I'm.

>> and so this was like a long plan. So. this was something that they must have. had to sit down and like who would be. involved in this sort of a discussion. where you would be willing to diminish. patriotism, diminish this idea that. Britain by itself is exceptional and the. people are exceptional. >> It's a it was a long deceitful plan. So. I I always say. >> who implemented it. >> The European elites in league with our. elite who effectively if you remember in.

1975 we had what was we we joined what. was called the European economic. community. It wasn't uh effectively uh. anything other than an economic union. But that that very quickly uh changed. and effectively they tried to. politically integrate Europe that failed. and then in 97 uh they tried to force it. through with the introduction of the. euro. So having failed politically they. tried to do it financially. That was my first uh uh foray into.

standing as a member of parliament to. fight to save the British pound because. once you lose your currency effectively. you lose your your sovereignty and your. national identity and our gold reserves. were going to be shipped out to Germany. to Frankfurt uh and we would have become. a vassal state part of the European. Union. It would have been irreversible. But in the event we thanks to Sir James. Goldsmith, we secured enough votes. We. forced uh the establishment to promise a. referendum before they surrendered to. the to the euro and we ended up saving.

the pound which in the end resulted in. the referendum in 2016 where the British. people voted to take back their. sovereignty which ultimately I think the. establishment always knew that the core. the body of Britain or body of England. in particular wanted its own accountable. parliament in Westminster. It didn't. want to be part of an unaccountable. European socialist protectionist. superstate. >> So the quote unquote elites in in. Britain and the the elites United.

States, this it's coordinated with both. of them. Is that. >> I think less so in America, Joe. I I I I. can't speak for America. Although when. you look at what the Democrats did uh. with US aid and all the stuff that was. going on uh under Joe Biden, you have to. wonder whether they began with the World. Economic Forum to play a part in this. But I I think the post-war plan for. Europe was founded on a socialist. principle. Whereas I think America has. always been a a very sound uh uh. politically based structure based on.

obviously uh you know the founding. fathers and your constitution which I. always think uh returns power to the. individual and has always understood. that the dangers are status dangers not. individual dangers. So I'm very much in. the camp I like the individual and a. minimal state and I and I think that's. much more in your DNA than it is in the. European DNA which which tends to be. more statist. >> right so they did this on purpose and.

they brought in people from what country. specifically? Well, initially you got. you got in Britain uh you got people. from Africa, you got the Windrush uh. generation. So you got a lot of Africans. came uh ostensibly to fill jobs that. they always say the British people don't. want to do and it it gathered momentum. Uh it was relatively slow to start with. So you you you had an influx of people. coming to the UK. You had open borders.

in Europe. So one of the the absolute uh. embedded rules they have is this freedom. of movement concept. So they don't have. effectively national borders. But we we. still obviously had the the the channel. but we embraced this and we started this. uh immigration. What happened uh is it gradually. happened and I think these rape gangs. have been going on or we know they have. for 30 40 probably 50 years to a lesser. extent. But when Tony Blair got in and.

he undermined a lot of constitutional. sort of historical law, uh you got an. acceleration of immigration uh from. other parts of the world, not not just. from Europe but also from other. countries uh South Asian countries in. particular who came uh to the UK. And. the genesis of the rape gangs really is. I think the cultural oil and water mix. of. uh these people coming from what I call.

clanish societies in South Asia uh and. join coming to very high trust societies. such as the one we had and the one you. have here which have taken thousands of. years to develop. So they're high trust. societies where and you know Lee Kuanu. based Singapore on postwar Britain where. you could you had tr you had honesty. boxes for newspapers in London and you. had a country that was completely at. peace with itself. Uh so it won the war, it respected peace, it respected freedom.

and people were building rebuilding. their lives having fought a second world. war to to to free Europe from from from. sort of in this case Germany. Um. previously we'd done it at Waterloo when. we uh relieved Europe of of the French. with Napoleon. So it's it really. accelerated after 97 when uh a lot of. the legislation that Tony Blair and his. cohorts passed. uh such as the h human rights act which. embeds within it the ECR uh he created.

the supreme court he they passed laws. like the equalities act and there are. raft of other legal acts they passed. which effectively. empowered a multicultural society uh. which in some ways I think damaged the. interests of of of the British people. So, >> and you think this is on purpose and. this is my point is what is the benefit. for them to be joined up with the rest. of Europe? Is it just purely financial? Is it a powerbased strategy where if you.

can diminish the quality of life for. people and institute more laws and put. more restrictions on them, you can. control them easier and it's less push. back for the politicians, less push back. for the people that are in charge. basically yes I I think it's the age-old. battle between individualism and. collectivism. So so I I think the EU is. a collectivist construct whereas I think. Britain as it was under our constitution.

our bill of rights which as you probably. know our bill of rights in 1689 a lot of. that was lifted to by your founding. fathers who who who embedded it within. the US constitution. So, and that embeds freedom of speech. It embeds the individual. It embeds all. of the all of the rights that I think. make the Anglo-Saxon world great. And. >> so, how did it deteriorate to the point. where they're arresting 12,000 people a. year for social media posts? >> It's Joe, it's shocking. And this is why.

I I have got involved in politics. I've. been involved in politics since I fought. the master treaty and then stood, as I. said, in 97. and I did a lot for. business for Sterling, a lot for vote. leave. Then I stood for the Brexit party. and I was elected there. So I've I've. been fighting this uh march towards an. unaccountable state which effectively. rewards collectivism and punishes. individualism. uh to the extent that now I find myself. at the age of 68 uh as an MP running a.

party called Restore Britain to try and. reverse this tide to reempower the. individual to return to our original. constitution and to protect the. interests above all else of the of the. Brit British people to whom I think. government should be accountable. >> Do they still have that kind of. unchecked immigration? Is it currently. ongoing? >> We still have illegal migrants arriving. by boat. Uh they can't they can't be. under the current uh uh laws and. treaties that we're part of. They are. they're not being deported. The judges,

thanks to the creation of the Supreme. Court, uh they they are now a quango, a. woke quango. I think a lot of our. judiciary is corrupt. So the answer to. your question is we still have illegal. migration. and we have people living in Britain. illegally. We have a lot of foreign. prisons in our in our in our in our. prisons. and we have people who've come in under. various waves of immigration. one one of. which the biggest of which was probably. under Boris Johnson who was actually a.

conservative prime minister who allowed. uh uh thousands hundreds of thousands of. people to come uh into Britain and uh. basically they are now a burden to the. British taxpayer so the answer to your. question is they're arriving illegally. still they're living here illegally or. living in Britain illegally still uh. we've got foreign criminals in our. prisons and we've got we've still got. the legacy of this huge amount of of of. immig immigration which took place. >> and are a large percentage of these.

people receiving welfare from the. British government? >> Yes. >> What percentage? >> Well, most of the people who who. arrival, they're all supported, Joe. I. mean, they're put in as soon as you get. there. >> In parliament, I see the contracts. thanks to my parliamentary questions. I'm allowed to ask questions and. scrutinize the contracts for, for. instance, the BB Stockholm was it was a. boat which cost the British taxpayer1. half billion pounds. uh it's actually. now lying redundant uh uh and not being. used. But I've seen the contracts for uh.

these illegal migrants in terms of the. laundry services they get, in terms of. the taxi services they get, in terms of. the food they require. I mean literally. it is like uh uh it's like staying in a. very comfortable hotel. And we've now. got these people being settled all. across our country. >> How many in hotels? Well, I don't think. the government knows, Joe, to answer. your question. I don't think they know. how many people are living in Britain. illegally.

>> Was the similar situation that America. had over the last four years where the. at on the low number, they think it was. 10 million people came in, which is. insane. It's an insane amount of people. to come in in four years. >> We we think there's enough work to do. initially to detain and deport people. who are arriving illegally. I mean, to. my mind, illegal means illegal. So it's. fairly straightforward. um to uh the people who are arriving. illegally, people living here illegally, the foreign criminals, there's plenty of. work to do to remove them from Britain.

And then I think we need to turn our. attention and that's in our mass. deportation document. I've given you a. copy of that which effectively sets out. the constitutional reasons why we have a. problem, how we correct those. constitutional issues, and how we then. practically uh detain and deport uh the. people who aren't supposed to be here. And once we've done that, we we will. then turn our attention to people who. are living in Britain, to your point, who are on welfare, who are going to. cost the taxpayer a fortune for the rest.

of their lives probably, who aren't. working, who are culturally different to. us, who have a different view of of of. of their religion to the Christian. religion, uh, and are increasingly. living in in in small groups of people. who haven't integrated, who are living. under Sharia law and and who have their. own courts and and who. >> they have their own courts. >> They have their own courts, Sharia. courts. Yes. Parallel a parallel legal. system. >> Okay. So, it's a unrecognized by the. British government. Parallel legal.

system that exists inside of England. >> It's tolerated. >> Tolerated. So, it's they're aware of it. >> Yes. >> And they're aware of the punishments. that this court dishes out. >> They It's rather like they're policing. their own people under their own laws. >> and they're just allowing that. >> They're they're allowing that. Yeah. >> Whoa. Now, now I believe I don't know about. you, but I believe if you come to our. country, you should live under our laws. >> Well, yeah. I mean, the idea of. well, the United States in particular is. a melting pot and you know, people come.

from all over the place and it's one of. the cool things that there's all these. different cultures, but there's certain. cultures that if you allow them to come. into your community and then they. institute the laws of the country where. they came from, you're going to have a. real problem. like they don't live the. way you live. They don't have the same. respect for women that you have. They. don't treat them the same way. They. don't allow dogs. Like there's a lot of. like. >> stuff that a lot of people might not. [clears throat] even be aware that come.

with that problem. It's like the idea is. supposed to be that western society is. inclusive and progressive because we're. intelligent and educated and we care. But you you can care so much that you. let in criminals and then you give those. criminals all your money and then the. criminals can take over your country. slowly but surely. So and this is the no. one thinks that's a possible thing. No. people look at the coliseum, you look at. ancient Greece and they they think, "Wow, I wonder what happened to those.

guys." What do you think happened? Probably the same that's happening. right now to England. The same that. could have happened to America. It's. civilizations fall apart for various. reasons. And uh one great way to get. them to fall apart is to bring in a. bunch of people and they don't have to. follow your laws and they bring the laws. of, you know, wherever they're from, whatever whatever fundamentalist. religion country they're from where they. have a bunch of crazy laws that are kind.

of archaic. >> Well, this is Sharia law, Islamic law, as you probably know. I mean again to. your point uh I I think the best example. uh I can I can give people of what. happens if you do that is is is when. Lebanon got its got its independence in. in 1948. Uh they were Christian country and they. were a very confident country. They they. were you know they had the best. universities. They had a very open. society. I never went to Beirut. I don't. know if you you went to Beirut, but. Beirut in the 60s was meant to be the.

best place on earth to be. Great wine, uh, freedom, uh, very very enlightened. Uh, it was a great lots of people uh, uh, were there. The minute that the. Muslim population went over about 15%, you started to get a problem with a. civil war. You got the Drews and. Marinite Christians in a in in a in a. civil war with with the Muslims. Uh and. now Lebanon is is is a Muslim country. Uh uh and Hezbollah backed by Iran is.

effectively running the show. So So to. your point, I couldn't agree more. And. the rape gang report which I which which. is which we've written was crowdfunded. by 20,000 concerned English people who. who uh we we raised not a huge amount of. money. We raised about £600,000. in varying quantities. people gave and. we did it because the government will. not have a statute of inquiry. So our. government and particularly the Labor.

Party have been presiding over this. because it goes to the Muslim block. vote. So we have in in the UK a system. of postal voting. and in a lot of the inner cities and the. places where these Islamic populations. live, they are or have historically. voted labor. That's beginning to change. they're beginning to vote for Muslim. independence now and I sit with some of. them at the back of parliament. So, so effectively this this inquiry we. did, we set out with a completely.

unbiased uh view of what we would find. and we did it because we were pushing. the government to have a statutory. inquiry and I I I a lot of the reason. I'm got involved in it was I I I I think. it was Elon Musk who triggered he he he. talked about it because a lot of people. in the UK I don't think know the extent. to which this has been happening and and. and and the length of time it's been. happening for. >> This episode is brought to you by OnX.

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politicians? Like why why don't people. know about this? >> It's a total failure failure of the. media because the media are supposed to. be an independent body that holds to. account uh failures of of the state. And. it's basically because this block vote. uh through the postal voting system. which needs to be changed uh is. effectively or has been uh keeping lab. the Labor party in in power. So they've. put power ahead of principle and in the. report we cover this. We've covered the.

reasons why it's so serious and and to. your point, we even cover, as you quite. rightly say, the fact that uh dogs are. are not liked by by by by the Islamic. faith largely because Muhammad liked. cats. He didn't like dogs. And and and. we we what we wanted to do was interview. victims, which we did. We did it. properly. It took us over a year. We had. a a rape gang victim, Sammy Woodhouse, who who who led it. she's got a child by. her rapist.

Uh, and we had a team of people and we. literally produced the witness bundles. and we and we listened to uh, the. witnesses and then we had a two-week. hearing in London where people gave. evidence and we had a a proper uh, barrista who effectively presided over. it and then help helped us write the. report. It's effectively Graeme Smith's. the barristister did a fantastic job. And we didn't start out with any. preconceived ideas. It started because. we read some court transcripts of some.

of the people who've been found guilty. of of this, which the government, by the. way, has tried to keep quiet. Some of. the historical uh uh court transcripts. disappear. So, uh we've been calling for these. transcripts to be kept. Now, we've. actually uh tried to make a noise about. that. And the more we read this and the. more we carried on with the rape gang uh. inquiry, the more it became clear to us. that obviously there's a link between.

this this power and and the the abuse. and and and and grooming and and and if. you like damage that was done to white. working-class English girls and it does. go and and in the report we've we've. looked at the reasons why to your point. there is a cultural difference of opin. opinion between an open high trust. Christian view of women particularly and. and the Islamic view of women which is. all in the report. So for instance the.

as you probably know if a woman accuses. uh somebody of rape and a lot of these. Muslims come from Pakistan Joe that. they're predominantly Pakistan and. they're predominantly from one part of. Pakistan called Meipur and there are. some from Bangladesh there are some from. Somalia there are some from Eratraa that. that there are other other Muslim. countries that that perpetrate some of. this and of course there are white. people who perpetrate rape as well but. nothing on the scale of this. This is.

this is quite horrific. And our report. has effectively uncovered this. I think. we've played a part with this report in. the government saying that they're going. to have now a statutory inquiry because. we didn't have any statutory powers to. be able to uh force people to appear at. our hearing. They all appeared. voluntarily. The government can actually. force people legally to appear. They can. actually uh uh make it a legal. requirement that people attend. we we. couldn't do that.

But there had been reports in the past. uh there was the Jay report in in in in. 2014 and there's been the Casey report. all of which confirmed that this was. happening and the state still continued. to try and pretend it was just happening. in a small number of siloed areas uh. where where you obviously had a high. Islamic population. the state has equally failed to collect. data on the crimes that are perpetrated.

So the ethnicity of of the people who. are perpetrating the crimes and from. there you can extrapolate once you've. got the data as to whether or not you've. got an extraordinary problem in one. particular section of society. and and. again using my parliamentary questions. I've been forcing uh uh as much. disclosure as I can get and this is how. we've discovered that a lot of the data. that should be being collected by the. police particularly by the national. health service by social services a lot. of the data has not been properly. collected possibly because the state.

does I think know that this is happening. but they don't want to admit that their. multicultural experiment which as you. probably know famously Enoch Powell. warned would fail uh with his speech, the the rivers of blood speech for which. he was heavily criticized. So I I think. they do know, but they don't want to. admit it. They don't want to be called. racist. Uh they don't want to and this. has permeated the whole of British. society since Tony Blair. People are.

frightened to be accused of effectively. being biased and white. And we're taught. about things, you probably I don't know. whether you have it here, unconscious. bias and and all of the other sort of. what I call woke woke DEI driven uh. rubbish which which has permeated. Britain in the same way I think it may. have originally come from from you guys. But it's. >> it's it's certainly had a huge effect on. us. >> I think it had a great grip on us for a. few years and it's lessened its hold.

>> well thanks to the Donald. Yeah. >> Yeah. that helped a lot and I think a. big part of it was Elon buying Twitter. >> Yeah. >> Where you got legitimate free speech and. which is again back to this 12,000. people getting arrested uh each year for. social media post recently. Like that is. >> how is that tolerated? I just don't. understand how people aren't I I was. about to say up in arms, but that's also. part of the problem is that no one's. armed over there. >> We we we are we well I have actually got.

some guns, Jose, cuz I I have a farm. So. when you come to the UK, I hope you'll. come and shoot some feeasants with me. >> Oh. >> Uh but um. >> but if you don't have a farm, >> uh well, if you don't have a farm, you. you'll find it very difficult to get a. gun of any kind and even if you have a. farm. So, uh, Reform tried to. politically assassinate me, uh, uh, in. in in in 25, early 25, and made false. accusations about me threatening to hit. one of the Z Y Yousef in a meeting, and. somebody was saying, I went around.

Parliament saying I was a very good shot. and I was going to shoot Zia Ysef. I. mean, as if, if you believe that, I'm. I'm I've got a completely clean record. I employ lots of people. I have lots of. businesses and I've never had an issue. But listen, for armed police turned up, took all my guns away. I mean, and I'm a. member of parliament. I said to them, "Guys, you could have just called me up. and we could have talked about it, but. no.". >> Wow. >> They turned up. >> just from an accusation. >> 9:30 at night, left at4 to 12. We got. them on the cameras, took all my guns, all my ammo, and it took me five or 6.

months to get them get get them all. back. But but look, so they don't want. the public uh to have guns. Uh and they. are doing their very best to damage the. shooters uh who perfectly legitimately. like to go and shoot clay pigeons uh who. like to go and shoot game who like to go. and hunt. Uh effectively they're trying. to make that very difficult through the. the licensing laws for guns. As you.

probably know they banned handguns uh. >> the '90s right. >> in the late 90s because there was a. murder up in. >> Dumb Blaine. >> One murder. >> One murder. So, so everybody, my father. used to shoot pistols for Oxford. University and he had he's dead now, bless him. But he had all his pistols. were taken away. The gun the pistols he. used to shoot with at Oxford University. I mean I mean we now have a society. which needs radical change and and we. need to release the individual. And to. your point on social media posts, there.

was a a lovely lady, Lucy Connley, uh. who was locked up for something for 32. months for just a very uh emotional uh. social media post which she deleted. after 4 hours about the Southport. killings where where this chap Axel. Rutabana. uh went and knifed three young girls and. killed them. uh despite the fact that. the British state through prevent was. aware of this uh and we've had a similar. case recently with Henry Novak where.

again uh uh um it was actually I think. on this occasion of seek uh stabbed him. and the police despite the fact when. they arrived at the the scene he told. them he'd been stabbed the police didn't. believe him and they tried to handcuff. him uh and as a result of that it's. arguable that they opened up the wound. the stab wound and he drowned found in. his own blood. Meanwhile, his murderer. was never handcuffed. So, this is this is where the British.

state's gone completely wrong. So, instead of uh one law for everybody and. one policing for everybody, this this. sort of view that the the white. population is racist, which I don't. personally believe them to be, I think. Britain is is a very tolerant country. Do you think that this perspective. um that society sort of adopted in the. UK about white people being bad, do you. think this was.

ar there was architecture to it? This. was by design that this was done or is. this just a a natural response to people. being called racist? Because was there. of course in the past there was more. racism than there is today and people. always want to point to that racism as. you know evidence of colonialism, evidence of what whatever it is that. happened in days past. But why why in. England do you think that narrative took. hold so well? >> Because I think Joe to your point that.

this post-war plan for multiculturalism. I I think they realized that they was by. design. >> They've got a problem. So part of it was. probably infiltrating the universities. and promoting these kind of ideas. >> It's almost as if uh uh with the World. Economic Forum there's this view that. the Anglo-Saxon nations have commanded. and dominated too much of the world's. resources. And there's almost like this. misguided altruistic view that that we.

should become uh more concerned with. global welfare rather than the welfare. of our own citizens, which I totally. disagree with. >> Well, there's also the you will own. nothing and you will be happy. >> This is this is your Claus Schwab uh uh. >> which is hilarious. Someone would even. say that out loud. >> I know. >> You own nothing and you will be happy. Like is this a part of an Orwell book? cuz this doesn't seem like a real person. would say something like that cuz who. the is going to listen to that? It.

doesn't make any sense. >> Well, George was being rather accurate. in time. >> He's dead on. He was actually pretty. optimistic. Like his view, his version. of the world was uh, you know, a little. bit more palatable than what we're. dealing with right now. >> Interesting man, oldian. Uh, fought in. the Spanish Civil War. I mean, he was a. he was a very quirky Englishman who. clearly had a hugely precient foresight. And I think probably like certainly like. me, >> he had a healthy uh disrespect for what.

I call collectivist statism. And he was. a very much an individual and and uh a. believer in the individual. >> It's it's it's really interesting. because when I first read that book was. in high school and I kept thinking like. what a crazy this would never happen. This is not even possible. But what a. crazy world this guy's created in his. imagination. Yeah. >> Of things going completely haywire. And. then you realize as time goes on, oh. that's totally possible. It's totally. possible that things can get that. ridiculous. I mean, when you're dealing.

with, you know, male, biologically male. athletes that compete against women. because they identify as a woman and use. women's locker rooms. All the craziness. that we deal with today, the open border. situation, no one's illegal on stolen. land. Hey, off. Like, what are we. what are we doing? Like, what is this? Well, it's almost as if we're if we're. subverting all the things that made us. great. >> Yeah. And you know, there's nothing. wrong with immigration, but there is. it's probably a good idea to make sure. no someone's not a murderer.

before you let them in. Like the idea. that there should be no border at all is. like if the world was perfect, that. sounds wonderful. If the world was. perfect and everybody paid their taxes. and everybody followed the laws, why. have borders? Clearly, it's not perfect. you know, go to go to Pakistan, go to. Karachi, go go hang out, go go down the. street as a woman in a miniskirt and see. how that works out. Go to some place. >> Again, Joe, this is this is you're quite. right. This is I mean Pakistan is is I.

think the example example of a rogue. state basically. And and. >> I I I think their view of as you say. women who dress uh in ways other than uh. the ways of Sharia, i.e. totally. covered. >> Yes. And again, it's all in uh various. of the hadiths which which which we. quote in in the rape gang report. They. are considered to be meat. And and this. is this is something I've never. understood. How do you square this. circle of this sort of clanish uh.

backward-looking culture which comes to. a highly open uh high trust society and. then embeds itself within that society. and undermines everything that we've. achieved over over a thousand years. >> Acknowledging that is somehow another. racist. Acknowledging that some cultures. are superior is somehow another racist. just by by just understanding human. rights, understanding the rights of. individuals to be free to not be. subjected to other people's archaic.

laws. And this is look these a lot of. cultures in this world live as people. lived thousands of years ago. No one in. the United States wants to live as. people lived thousands of years ago. No. one. And this is not a racist thing. Like you should be able to come over. here and practice whatever religion you. want. But if your religion has rules. that violate the laws that we've all. agreed are just and fair, then that. you're not integrating and you're and if. you take over a whole town and now that.

town is subject to these archaic laws, we've got a problem. And if you let that. problem get bigger and bigger, they take. over the country. And that's that's an. actual possibility for certain. countries. And we we have to recognize. that civilization is not as sturdy as we. like to think it is. It's kind of kind. of flimsy in a lot of ways. A few bad. things can happen and things can go. sideways quite quickly. >> Well, I think liberty is very fragile,

isn't it? Ultimately, if you don't. protect liberty, you lose it. It was. Margaret Thatcher who was very strong on. this. >> And you have to have laws. >> You have to have [clears throat] laws. and you have But what you also have to. have is everyone should be equal under. the law. >> Yes. And to your point, I couldn't agree. more. I mean, Britain used to be a very. tolerant society. So, for instance, Europe was very anti-semitic. Britain. was never anti-Semitic. We used to. welcome a lot of uh uh Jews and. Protestants from Europe who were being. persecuted, particularly in France with. the Protestants. So, we were a very.

tolerant society, but the people who. came integrated and they contributed. And that is the essence I think of. sensible immigration. So it should be. limited, targeted and it should be only. people who accept your religion and your. culture and your. >> What do you do though if someone comes. over here and then they they're not. violating laws? They're not violating. any laws. They achieve citizenship, but. then they start bringing over more and. more people and then start instituting.

Sharia law. What do you do? Do you. deport them all? Like how do you like. this idea of having all these people. recognizing how many people got in. illegally, deporting them, mass. deportations, deportating deporting. criminals? It all sounds great until you. talk about actually implementing it. Like how do you do that? How are you. doing that? Are you going to knock on. people's doors and pull them out of. their homes and ship them back to where. they came from? Like how do you do that? I think the first thing you do is you. you you stop them coming across. >> how many. >> they shouldn't be coming anywhere under. international law because they're.

traveling over across safe countries. So. they shouldn't be coming. >> What's the estimate of the amount of. illegal immigration that you have in. Britain? >> It's almost impossible to say how many. people are living there illegally or. living with us illegally. But in our. paper, I mean, we we think it's sort of. 1.8 to to 2 million people probably. Uh. that's our estimate. But people. arriving, we know how many are arriving. There's there's a lot arriving every. day, particularly when the when the the. the the sea is calm. >> How many arrive every day? >> They're coming. Well, it can vary. I.

mean, you can get a thousand in a day. You can get if the sea's rough, you get. you get none because obviously they. suffer if if they try and cross in in. little overcrowded dingies that they. can't get across. But we're paying the. French over half a billion pounds a year. to try and stop it. Uh uh that I think. is is not happening. Uh and as a result. of that, you know, our border border. patrol uh picks them up, gives them. bottles of water, brings them in and and. settles them in in hotels and and and. pays them well pays them welfare. They.

become and then they then they then they. apply for residency and they say they're. asylum seekers. I I argue most of them. are economic migrants, but you know, our. our woke culture is is not protecting. the interests of the British people. And. it's also a massive incentive. If you. live in a terribly poor country and you. can just get to England and then. instantaneously you will get money and. housing. >> That's right. >> Why would you not do that? >> Well, not only that, you go to the top. of the waiting list for dental.

treatment, which which British people. don't get. The NHS go to the top of the. waiting list. >> Wait a minute. They get they get access. to dental treatment that the British. people don't get. >> Correct. Correct. >> Why Why do immigrants get access to it? Well, this Joe is the mystery of of what. our uh leaders I don't know what they. think they're doing, but they have this. misguided view that these people are. actually they call them asylum seekers. They say they need to be looked after. and protected, uh they're not. They're.

economic migrants. And to your point, if. you if they know there's there's welfare. when they reach Britain, they'll travel. across multiple safe countries to get to. the welfare, the free housing, >> Yeah. of course. >> And all the other stuff. So, and then uh. unless you uh deal with issues like the. rape gangs and you force them to adhere. to UK law and respect our our laws, our. culture and our religion, they gradually. uh set up their own uh uh uh cultures. and with their own laws as I said and.

and there are large trackcts of the. country now where uh we've got these. Islamic settlements which which. effectively operate uh almost as a sort. of parallel society. I I don't know whether it's quite the. same here, whether you've got the. similar thing with the Somalies in in. Minnesota. I I. >> you do in Dearbornne, Michigan. Dearbornne, Michigan just had a gigantic. Islamic parade where you just see tens. of thousands of people holding flags and. walking on the street and. >> yeah, >> it's kind of crazy. It's crazy. And.

they've also one of the things that's. funny about Dearbornne is uh all the. progressives, it's very liberal place. They're like, "Welcome, welcome. Everyone's welcome for all cultures.". And as soon as they got into power, they. banned the pride flag. That was the first thing they did. >> Well, I'm I'm [laughter] afraid they. they they they have quite strong views. on on on on that sort of thing. >> Oh, yeah. That's why Yeah. queers for. Palestine is always hilarious. Like, and. then you see the meme Palestine for. queers and it's throwing people off. roofs.

>> It's like the champ who runs our Green. Party uh uh is a a gay Jew. So, I mean, he, you know, again, he's going to have. a problem uh if these guys get anywhere. near power, but uh that doesn't seem to. put the progressives off. They still. seem to be, >> but this is what's crazy is that their. society is complete, like Islamic. society is completely patriarchal. Um. the women are absolutely secondass. citizens. They're they have completely. different laws for how the women can.

dress. What happens to the woman if. someone has sex with if someone has. first of all if they commit adultery. they could be killed. >> stoned to death to death. Yeah. And I I. w. >> it's watch a horrible video where a. father did it to his daughter. >> Yes. Well you you you you do get these. killings. >> Honor killings. Honor. >> killings. Yeah. Or brothers. The brother. will kill the daughter if the daughter. shamed the family. It's like hey guys. how are you progressive when you're. supporting this? And it's because the.

concept of not being racist, not being. called racist, the fear of that is so. strong. They're they're willing to adopt. all sorts of things that are the. complete antithesis of everything they. believe in. >> Well, in the UK, I don't know if you. have it here, but the Me Too movement, it always. it it fascinates me that they never seem. to say anything about these what I call. clanish tribal cultures who have a. completely different view of women. And. and to your point, you know, again in. our report, uh a woman, if she accuses.

in Pakistan a man of rape, uh she has to have four male witnesses. who actually have to witness and swear. that they've seen her being penetrated. by the rapist. And you've actually got. women in prison because if she can't. prove that she's been raped under those. rules, then she can be sent to prison. And there are many women languishing in. Pakistani prisons for that very reason.

And this is the sort of extraordinary. cultural oil and water which just. doesn't mix. It's also the mental. gymnastics that you have to have to. accept that as a part of Britain and. because you're progressive is really. crazy. It just shows how these. ideologies, these cultlike ideologies. can completely defy logic, completely. defy common sense, and just you have a. set of rules that you're supposed to. adhere to. You if you deviate from those.

rules, you're a racist. You don't want. to be a racist, right? Then everyone's. welcome. as you say, it's it's honor killings. It's tribal. It's your first loyalty is. to your your tribe and your family, >> not to your host country who's who's. actually got their own laws. Uh there. are all sorts of uh uh hadith rulings. which they can uh they can use to. justify it. I mean, for instance, if. they rape a a white girl, that doesn't.

count in their in their view of life as. adultery. So, they are effectively uh taught that. a girl who doesn't dress as they would. dress is is meat to be abused. And and. they have these they have these uh. extraordinary sort of cultural views. you you see. >> that are completely incompatible in my. view with a with a with a society like. ours where you know we are a matriarchal.

society which respects women I think we. have grown to respect women obviously. they had they've now got an omnipotent. position within our society certainly in. the UK I'm sure it's true here too and. quite right they they play a part in our. society they're very very important part. of everything but again uh uh under you. know the the the the Islamic code. I. think that the Muslims are frightened of. of female sexuality. It's it's all it's. all there. And as you know, you get FGM.

female uh genital mutilation. So uh. these these cultures I think Joe and to. your point are just incompatible unless. you have a very strong uh government. which basically protects its electorate. from any subversive behavior which is. not compatible with our values. >> You keep using the term meat. Is that. how they actually refer to it as? >> That's that's that's what that's how. they consider it. Yeah. >> What do they say? like how how are they?

That's it's in it's in our report that. that's uh that there was actually I. think it was I think it was. >> is it a translation of. >> I think Thomas Jefferson actually it's. in our report asked the Barbaru. pirates about about the way in which. they treated their their slaves and. their women that was particularly sla. slaves they just also slavery is is is. is accepted within within uh Islamic. countries so so I think they have their. own codes they have their own terms of. reference And there is a quote in there.

I I I'd have to look at the report to to. give it to you, but where one of them. does liken. uh uh white girls not dressing as as. Muslim girls dress and he does liken it. to meat. >> Jesus. >> And and and and you know that that is an. analogy he used. So I mean yeah I think. I think that's what they think. this. So, this rape gang inquiry report that. you have just released, the the number I.

want you to say it because it sounds so. crazy. If I say it, people it's it's. going to sound wrong. What the number of. people that were victims, the estimate? >> Well, we've estimated that a minimum of. a quarter of a million uh uh rapes have. taken place. It's it's it's probably. much much more Joe. >> because because because we've published. in here I think it's a list of 147. >> parts of the UK where this is happening. Now the government tries to tell you. it's happening in Rodale you know one or.

two Bradford one or two centers and. that's why their statutory inquiry the. terms of reference of that have now been. downgraded so they make it look as if. it's not a systemic problem but just a a. little local problem which it isn't. So, we've we've listed here and they're all. in here the places where we know it's. happening from our rape gang inquiry. [snorts] But every every time we publish. this, Joe, I I get people emailing us or. sending us messages on social media to.

say, "What about Red Ruth in Cornwall? What about it's happening here, it's. happening here, it's happening here.". So, I I think it's incredibly widespread. and and there's, you know, other people. who've corroborated that quarter of a. million figure. That's an incredibly. conservative figure. You can't be exact. because the state is not collecting the. data which they should be doing and. we've been lobbying in parliament to. make sure that the state's collection of. the data improves and then we can. actually see the extent of the problem.

and you can actually pinpoint it uh in. the same way that we've done it in this. report. So, so this is I think it's. linked to organized crime. I think it's. linked to the drug trade. Uh I'm I'm. pretty sure it's linked to the drug. trade and and obviously it's linked to. prostitution. So So as usual with an. evil like this and you've got girls who. are transported round in the back of. pickups uh uh uh and and and in cages uh.

and and at our rape gang inquiry, we had. examples of girls who were raped by dogs. uh and filmed uh either anally raped or. or or vaginally raped. uh and literally. watched, filmed, and and a lot of it's. about servitude and about, you know, there's other stories in here about. women having to lick the face the feet. of their of their rapists. It it's it's. about power. It's about servitude. And. it's about the fact that Muslim men are.

taught to believe that they are superior. not only to women, but they're superior. to people like yourself and myself who. are considered to be uh uh uh uh if you. like the the infidels and and their job. is to effectively spread uh uh Islam uh. and effectively punish the infidel And. and as you probably know in the. Crusades, if you lost to Saladin and you.

were a Knights Templar, a crusader, you. you had two choices. You either. converted to Islam or they killed you. And and in in the in the case of a lot. of these girls, a lot of them were made. pregnant. They were they were. impregnated and and they then had to. convert to Islam. uh some of them were trafficked to Saudi. Arabia uh uh Pakistan, other parts of. the world. So look, I mean this this is.

a massive national scandal and and I I'm. hoping now I'm an MP. We've written this. report and this should stimulate debate. I we sent a copy of this on a PDF to. every MP and we're going to send this. printed copy to to all of them as well. because everybody in power should look. at this and they should start to correct. it immediately. >> You you you use the term the term is. used rape gang. Why why are you saying. gang and this is an organized practice?

>> Yes. Yes. >> It's not it's not as simple as Islamic. men are raping poor white girls. It's. that they go out in gangs specifically. for this purpose. >> They these are properly organized gangs. who are grooming and abusing young girls. as young as 10 or 11 and then literally. trafficking them around the country. We. know that from from from the testimonies. we've had. So originally when I went.

into parliament I was I was late elected. late. So I was elected in in July 24. Uh so at the tender age of 67. So I so I. I we we heard them being referred to as. Asian grooming gangs which I think is a. misnomer because it's unfair on for. instance the Japanese or other other. other Asian cultures who don't do this. >> So when we. thanks to Elon Musk we actually did and.

and as you're quite right thanks to him. giving us a free speech platform and and. Facebook's thankfully followed as well. So he's led the charge through his. purchase of of of what was Twitter. So. when I got into I gave a speech in. parliament uh where I didn't I said. they're not Asian grooming gangs. I'm. going to call them what they are. They're Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. So. I said this in parliament. So uh Jamie. will be drag it up if if he goes on to. the you know because everything goes. into Hansard. Uh and I gave this speech.

and it caused shock in in in in the. House of Commons. Now look, I'm I'm not. the smartest kid on the block, but what. I do in parliament is I tell the truth. So, you know, I'm only interested in. telling the truth and getting to the. truth and changing the way in which we. govern. That's what I've gone into. parliament for. You know, I I haven't. gone into this. I give my parliamentary. salary to charity. You know, I'm a. reasonably successful uh person who's. lived his life. I' I've been chairman of. a football club. I don't know if you're. interested in Premier League football,

but I was chairman of Southampton. So, I. built the stadium for Southampton. I. used to play competitive hockey. Uh and. I and I built up the youth academy in. Southampton. You I loved the best day of. my life was when we got to the cup final. in 2003. We lost one nil to Arsenal. But. it was the most amazing experience for. everybody. So look, I I'm not doing this. because I I I want necessarily to be. doing it. I'm doing because somebody's. got to do it. And if we're going to. change Britain, we've got to get the. public to buy into what we're doing. And.

as I say, I'm not a classic politician. And I'm not saying you've got to vote. for me. I'm saying that we've got to. change Britain by 29 or I think the. country from what I can see is in. terminal decline. So I sit on the public. accounts committee. I see the waste. I. see the unaccountability. I see the way. in which the civil service does not. serve the people which is supposed to. serve. I see our debt rising to nearly. 100% of GDP. I see massive uh uh.

misallocation of procurement on our on. our weapons. I see fraud in the. judiciary. I see all the things that. >> Sounds like you're talking about. America. >> Well, I'm talking about I'm talking. [laughter] about Britain a moment, Joe. But. >> seems like it's a widespread problem. >> Well, I actually I actually think. America uh under Joe Biden probably was. was as bad as that. And if you look at. what you know Elon and the boys. uncovered with with with US aid and and. and all of all the misallocation of. taxpayer funds all over the world, a lot.

of it to England, some of it came to. woke woke causes in England. >> Mhm. So look, whoever the architects of. this are, whether it's the World. Economic Forum, whoever they are, whether it's the Bilderbergers, whether. it's the Council on Foreign Relations, whether it's whatever malign influence. is trying to do this, we we have to. collectively try and reverse it. So I'm. I'm saying to people, if you want, I. will do my damnedest to reverse it. You. know, I've run multiple businesses. Uh, I was in the city of London for 20. years, so I know about finance, and I.

will commit to doing whatever I can to. reverse this for the British people. But. they've got they've got to buy into it, Joe. They've got to buy into it. >> Are there people that are in denial that. this is happening, that this rape gang. problem is real? >> Oh, without a shadow of a doubt. Labor. >> and what what do they say? >> Well, Labour just tries to look the. other way. >> But when confronted, when confronted by. the numbers, what is their response? Well, we've been demanding a statutory. inquiry. Uh, and in the end, we.

crowdfunded this, >> right? What is their response to that? >> Well, their response to this has been. pretty muted to be frank. I mean, the. BBC haven't covered it at all. >> Really, >> a national monopolistic broadcaster paid. for by a compulsory fee have not covered. this as a as a matter of public. interest. nor of Sky uh nor of nor. properly of the Daily Telegraph. GB news. have covered a tiny Patrick Christ. covered one evening of it. Now this this. is a massive national scandal that.

deserves complete a complete and utter. airing. >> How does the BBC justify not discussing. this? >> Well, the BBC BBC is part of our. problem, Joe. So to to your point about. you know the Democrats the BBC is a. deeply malign organization. So it was. set up uh to inform, educate and. entertain. And it was set up by a man. called Rereath in in and and Rereath was. a highly principled man. And I think at. the time it was set up in in in the 20s,

it was it probably uh did have a role. But in the digital age where most of the. young people no longer watch. uh uh their news on the BBC, they get. their news from whatever their favorite. news channel is. whether it's Breitbart. or whoever, whoever they go and get it. from, they get it from somewhere else. >> But if you want to watch sport or you. want to, you know, basically have your. TV, you have to pay the TV license. >> There's still an a problem that I'm sure.

exists in England just as exists in. America. There's a certain subset of our. society, a large percentage of our. society, particularly older people, that. things are not legitimate unless they're. discussed in corporate media. and that. if it's not in the New York Times, if. it's not on CNN, if it's not, you know, fill in the blank, then it can't be. completely legitimate. It has to be a. fringe thing. It has to be a conspiracy. thing. They still need these what these. sort of legacy establishments to give. them the news because that has been the.

way they grew up. That has been how they. were trained. And in their mind, they. don't understand the internet. completely. They don't go on Twitter. And so all that stuff to them is just. it's just too fringe. So that that's. always going to be a problem. And if. someone like the BBC doesn't cover this. stuff, it for a lot of people that are. woefully ignorant, they can still kind. of claim that ignorance and dismiss it. because the BBC isn't covering it. >> That's exactly right. Right. I mean,

that's a that's a very good summary. because the BBC historically was totally. trusted and and their news bulletins. were designed, as I say, to be impartial. completely. And and being a public. sector broadcaster, their job was to. cover matters like this and and create. debate. But as we know, uh, monopolies. go bad. I mean monopolies in my view are. generally a bad thing particularly in. the digital age where you know thanks to.

Elon Musk and and and what he did with. with X I I think he has released uh free. speech. I think he has uh uh returned. some sort of semblance of of of people's. ability to be able to force debate. without being bullied by a monopoly like. the BBC. So, so if I ever get near. power, I will responsibly defund the BBC. is one of the first things I do. I think. the BBC is is dripping poison into the. veins of Britain every day.

>> What other examples of what the BBC is. doing you think is dripping poison? >> Well, I think a lot of their coverage is. is is not objective. It's woke. I mean, they're into all this DEI. They're into. uh uh obviously the LGBTQ plus. they're. into all of the all of the things which. I think we as we said earlier probably. came from this uh Democrat period but. it's been happening for a long time. I I. think if you look at the Labour Party. again I don't know if you've ever heard.

of the Fabian Society. >> No. So the Fabian Society is uh was set. up in the in in the 1880s and it it was. basically most of the Labour front bench. and most of the Labour party are members. of the Fabian Society. So the Fabian. Society, George Bernard Shaw was a. member of the FA Fabian Society. You. you'll have heard of George Bernard. Shaw. So he it's the most extraordinary. organization that their emblem is a wolf. in sheep's clothing. >> As if as if as if that doesn't tell you.

what they're doing. >> That's their emblem. So, >> can I see what that looks like? >> That's their emblem. It's a wolf in. sheep's clothing. >> Fabian Society. >> The Fabian Society. >> I need to see that. >> You should have a look at that. >> I might have to get a t-shirt. >> Should I tell you what else they were? >> I need a t-shirt. >> Should I tell you what else they were? They were eugenicists originally. >> Whoa. >> Yes. >> When? >> Well, >> how far back? >> Bernard George Bernard. >> That That is damn crazy. >> Well, everyone should look at the Fabian. Sy because that runs deep through the. veins of. >> That is damn crazy. >> What do you think of that? That is damn.

crazy. So ladies and gentlemen, if. you're just listening to this, this. Fabian Society coat of arms is really a. black wolf that has a sheep's body. strapped on top of its back and it's. like covering its This is insane. That's crazy. That what a what a complete disdain for. anybody else's intelligence. Like they're not even trying to hide it.

They're just like. >> they're all members. The front bench are. all members of the Fabian Society. So So. >> that that code of arms. >> K Star is also a member. >> I need a t-shirt, Jamie. Please order. it. >> You you want you want to hold you want a. Fabian Society t-shirt? >> Yeah. Just for a goof. I think it would. be hilarious. >> But no, so that's that runs through the. Labor Party. So that's all part of it. So I I think the agenda has been to your. point, they in infiltrated our education. system. Uh, and you know, I'm proud of. our history. I mean, Britain uh stopped.

the slave trade. It cost us a fortune. Uh, we did it uh almost unilaterally. And you know, we I think on the whole. have been a force for good in the world. Not bad. I I I'm I'm proud to say that. I've studied a lot of history. Uh I. think there are many other cultures, probably the Belgians and and the French. who are far more brutal than us with the. with their with their colonies. So I. think we've tended to leave a legacy. where we've tried to instill the rule of. law. Look at India. Look look at a lot.

of the other countries that we we we we. were involved with. Uh they're now. flourishing because of the I think the. structures that we left in place. And. it's very sad to watch us almost turning. in on ourselves and and having left the. legacy in other countries. We we. ourselves have lost sight of what of of. what we should be doing. It's just it's. really extraordinary seeing the. perspective of a lot of young people. that are very impressionable that come. out of universities and have an utter.

complete disdain for these successful. societies. And instead of looking at. these successful societies and saying, "Well, yeah, people were really terrible. in the past, but this is a pretty good. example of how people should be treated. equally today." No, it's not perfect, but it's progressing in a better. direction than it was in the past, right? Instead, they look to the past. and everything is built on this horrible. history of outrageous, atrocious acts. and therefore it must be punished.

currently and all the people that. benefited from it, specifically white. people, need to be cast out. They need. to be silenced. They multiculturalism is. the only way to go. Complete open. borders. like the the way they look at. things is like how do you think these. countries got so good? Like what do you. what do you think is about America or. about England about any of these. countries that leads them to be where. they are today? Well, it's a long. history of progress, a long history. And.

along the way, yeah, like especially. when you go back hundreds of years ago, people were terrible. They were. terrible everywhere. You know, humans. are just getting better at being people. like pretty recently. But to throw it. all out and abandon it and to think that. socialism is going to fix you, like do. you guys read anything? There's not a. single example of that, not turning to. tyranny. And their their take on it is. always it hasn't been done correctly. And that is so wild that people are.

still willing to swallow that. And the. only thing that makes sense is they've. been indoctrinated through universities. to think this way because nowhere in the. real world do you think that equality of. outcome ever makes any sense because. everybody realizes somewhere along the. line when you get your first job, when. you're a kid, when you're going through. school, when you're playing sports, there's not a quality of effort. There's. never a quality of effort and there's. always some people that want to put in. more effort and they put in more thought. and more focus and they get further and.

you know, oh well they're over. all these other people. Are you sure. that's everything? Cuz it seems like. it's not. And it seems like as soon as. you remove any incentive to succeed, then you don't have any of the amazing. stuff that you have around you all the. time. the reason why you have beautiful. televisions and Starlink and all the. it's capitalism. It's that you have to. incentivize people to create these. things. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't mean the only way to do it is. to other people over. That's not.

correct. It can be done correctly. It. could be done humanely. It can be done. wisely. You could vote with your. dollars. You could, you know, boycott. companies that do things that you don't. think are ethical. There's all sorts of. wonderful ways that capitalism could be. used and you can sort of influence. things the right direction, but to throw. it all out and say we've got to go. socialism like oh boy, I can't believe. people are buying that. I just I that to. me is one of the real problems with not. allowing conservative voices in.

universities and that these universities. especially in the United States are a. lot of especially like in sociology, psychology and the overwhelmingly. liberal like surely there's got to be. some historians out there that are. conservative and they would have a. different perspective and it might be. good to have diversity of opinion as. well as diversity diversity of national. origin as well as diversity of gender as. well as diversity of sexual orientation. Yeah, all that stuff's great, but also.

diversity of opinion. Like the only way. to know whether or not this person is. making sense is to have someone who. completely disagrees that has a better. point go up against them and you watch. them duke it out. And as soon as you. silence all that because students don't. feel safe or because, you know, this is. promoting X, Y, and Z, this person's a. Nazi. Oh, they're a Nazi, we can't let. them on the As soon as you do that, you. ruin the whole thing that a university. is supposed to be doing. Supposed to be. preparing young minds for discourse and.

for communicating and for figuring out. the world on their own. They're. eventually going to be independent and. dependent entirely on their own actions. and decisions. And go out there in the. world, figure out your way. arm them. correctly. And the way to do that is to. expose them to all sorts of different. competing ideas. The idea that that was. ever accepted to be shut down in this. country, especially in America, is a. massive failure of the education system. Just massive. If you think that someone. has bad points, come up with better.

points and let them duke it out. And. don't pull fire alarms and don't silence. them and don't scream and protest and. throw things at them. Communicate. This. is what the And anybody who doesn't do. that should be shunned. >> I agree. >> If you if you're one of those people. that says, "No, you can't talk to Nazis. like shun them. Shun." They are the. enemy of thinking. They are the enemy of. progress. They are the enemy of finding. out what's right and what's wrong. And. the only way we find that out is we. communicate. >> Free speech. >> Free speech. Well, free speech and a.

degree of Darwinism. You have to have a. what we have in the UK now is, I always. say, reverse Darwinian theory. And again. at schools now in my day I was lucky we. we we we like to win to win was good to. win fairly in a in a proper game of. hockey or rugby or whatever was great. but now in schools winning is is. considered to be bad. So everybody needs. to have an opportunity to be treated the. same. >> in sports. >> often often in sport to win to be seen.

as a as a competitive winner. >> You guys don't have wrestling over here. >> We don't have wrestling. I know you do. You do. It's a real problem. cage. fighting and stuff, don't you? >> I know, but I mean, wrestling, just. wrestling as a sport, just wrestling for. high school and college, it's like. wrestlers understand mecracy as good as. any human being alive because there's no. way to make it unless you work hard. >> But isn't this the battle Joe J, the. age-old battle between individualism and. collectivism? Yes. >> Because the collective.

>> uh likes to curb the individual. I I. like to foster the individual and I. think what what the state fears most is. highly successful independent-minded. people who are capable of putting their. point of view uh and discussing it with. each other. So what they try and do. through the taxation in the UK what. they're doing is they're taxing to your. point people who contribute who work. hard and there are still a lot of people. who fight very hard to feed their.

families. They're proud. They don't want. to be part of this welfareism. You know, they want to provide and they work hard, but the state puts everything in their. way. All the regulations, the rules, the. taxes, everything is everything is the. force is not with them. And that's got. to be wrong. I mean what you what I. think what you need is a lot of. successful individual family businesses. uh communities which are self-sufficient. communities that respect each other and. and and and effectively uh can have this.

debate with each other you get at the. truth and I and I think as a result of. that most of the best inventions have. come from you know the UK the US from. the Anglo-Saxon world where. individualism when it's allowed to. flourish does a lot of good for mankind. And to your point, I I think this is. what's been undermined by these. >> what I call central planners. >> And a lot of these great inventions in. America have come from people that. immigrated legally from other countries.

because they appreciated what America. stood for and they really wanted to make. something happen and they couldn't do it. wherever they were. >> Well, the extraordinary thing in the UK. is we've got a lot of support from. people who are immigrants into the UK. They came to Britain because they. respected our structures and what they. want is they want structure. They don't. want to see the country. >> Yes. Legal immigrants in America have. the same perspective. Legal immigrants. in America are pretty overwhelmingly. against the whole open border idea. because it took was so hard for them to. become an American citizen. It's a very.

proud moment for them to do it. Like. >> a lot of young people got a lot of. support from young people who are. >> again young people are online. See this. is the thing like so young people are. much more. I want to say informed but at least. aware of the issue. They're much more. aware of things than older people that. are just again reading the newspaper and. watching television. >> But don't don't you think is it maybe. the same here in Britain? A lot of the. wealth is tied up in what I call the. baby boomers. So I'm a sort of tail end. boomer because I'm 68 but the sort of.

bulk of them are probably 70 to 90 and a. lot of the pension wealth is held there. and and a lot of the damage that's been. done to our financial markets has come. from aversion to risk. Risk is a good. thing in my opinion. So people need to. take risk. Risk uh you know the. entrepreneur takes risk and he gets. reward if he gets it right. But if you. tax him into oblivion he doesn't take. the risk. And what's happened in Britain. is the baby boomers, the wealth's all. locked up there. They want to see their.

retirement through safely. And not. enough money is cascading down to the. young people to be able to build their. lives in the same way that the boomers. were given a chance to to make money in. in this very uh uh. >> when you say not enough money is. cascading down, like how so? What's the. bottom? the money is all locked up when. with these old baby boomers and they're. more concerned with their pensions and. their retirement than they are with. generating an ongoing wealth chain which. gives an opportunity for the young to be.

involved. >> So meaning they're not starting. businesses. >> No, very much not. >> They're just holding on to their money. >> They're holding on to their money. >> So that's just that's an England thing. >> in England. Definitely. I mean I I think. it's a big issue. I don't know whether. it's an issue here. Is it an issue here? Well, there's certainly an issue here. with uh young people feeling like the. system is completely rigged. Um cost of. housing is through the roof. Uh rent is. through the roof. Uh groceries are more. expensive. Inflation here is a giant. problem. It's a giant problem for people. that are struggling. We were just.

looking at something the other day uh on. the internet where it was talking about. a number uh a finan a number from what. was it like 2007 or 2008 or something. like that was like $225,000. and it's $450,000 in today. >> Like that's crazy. Yeah. >> That's like 20 years ago. like to for to. have something double in 20 years. And. you just think about how many people. that are coming up that just feel like.

AI is going to take all their jobs. So, they don't know what to do and now. they're in student debt because you guys. have free education over there, which is. a wonderful thing. I mean, I completely. support that idea. But in America, these. kids get saddled down with debt that. they can't escape from. >> Well, we don't in England, we don't have. free education. in in England. In. Scotland, they do cuz. >> Scotland has free education. We did used. to have it. You're quite right. But. >> when did it go away? >> Well, now students have to take out. loans. And this is another shocking uh.

uh uh. >> I thought you guys had free healthcare. and free education. >> We have we have well, if you call it. free healthcare, assuming you can get a. doctor now because you you you know, most people now are having to source. their own medical treatment because it. takes you so long to get an operation or. to get a doctor's appointment. It it. it's although the the sort of health. service was set up post war to provide. free health care when it becomes. incredibly inefficient people have to. seek their own care. >> otherwise they don't get treated. >> but but I look I think with student debt.

now uh uh. >> when did it change where university. education. >> it's it's changed so so now. >> what year was this. >> uh well it's been changed for a long. time so so yeah yeah so my oldest son is. 35 So he took out a student loan. It was. less then and then the fees shot up. So. my. >> what's a like for Oxford? What's a. typical what? How much? >> Well, they run up students will run up. debt of in the UK now it's not uncommon. to run up a debt of £60,000.

>> So it's very similar to what's going on. in America. >> £60,000 and and they're charged the most. hideous rate of interest on it. >> And do you have laws in terms of. bankruptcy over there? >> We do have bankruptcy laws. Yeah. But do. you have bankruptcy? >> Student debt, you won't be bankrupted. over student debt though because because. the student debt, they just acrue the. interest. Uh if you go and work in a. foreign country, uh often you don't have. to pay the student debt back. I think. it's a 30-year uh liability. But once.

you start working, then the student debt. organization will take interest and. principle out of your salary. In. America, you they for if you go. bankrupt, they'll forgive credit card. debt, all sorts of other debt, but not. student loan. It's the one loan that you. cannot ever be forgiven from. In fact, people who have social security in. America, their social security gets. docked because they owe student loans. >> Is that right? I didn't know that. >> I didn't know. >> It's crazy. Imagine you're at the end of. your life, you're living on social. security, and they're taking pieces of.

it for an education that clearly didn't. help you out. Well, I don't know about. you, but in England, we've got these. ridiculous courses in sort of humanities. and sort of things that are completely. obstruct. >> Yeah. >> And and these these these kids go and do. the the these these what I call. degrees. And at the end of the day, they. come out of it with a load of debt, >> right? >> And no real skills. >> No skills and a and a completely. ideologically captured mind. >> Very much so. >> Yeah. It's um that's it's and there's.

not a lot of other alternatives. It's. like most universities are left-leaning. Yeah. You know, and that's that's the. issue that these kids have. you're even. if you're from a conservative family or. if kids grow up a certain way, send them. off to college and they're very. impressionable and they're going to get. talked down to by a professor who's a. communist who's never had a real job in. his life and he seems so smart and he's. very smug and he insults you if you. disagree with him and he is the ruler of. the classroom and everybody like like. little kids, they just give in to this.

guy's ideas and next thing you know. you're you're organizing on school. grounds and you're doing all the st same. things that the other communists are. doing and you're you're part of the. team. Hey, we're a nice we're going to. fix the world and you don't realize how. ridiculous it is until like maybe you're. 35 and you have a job and then you have. a family and you're like what the. are we doing? Like what is this? >> It does change, doesn't it? >> Oh, 100%. >> But the worst. show me a young man who who was that who.

quoted that? Who was that quote from? Show me a young man who's not a li. Was. it liberal or is it progressive or. whatever it is? Some show me a young man. who's not a liberal and I'll show you a. man without a heart. Show me an old man. who's not conservative and I'll show you. a man without a brain. >> Yeah. No. Well, I don't know who said. that, but I it's it's a common saying. >> Let's find out who said that. >> It's It's a truism. >> Churchill. >> Was it Churchill? >> There you go. One of your people. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Brilliant. And and accurate. And. it doesn't being conservative doesn't. mean you're not kind. silly. It's just.

recognition of human nature. And uh you. can't you can't reward people for not. putting in effort because then they will. find ways to not put in effort. You. can't reward people for being a quote. unquote victim. And I'm I don't mean a a. real victim of a crime. I mean. victimized by society, victimized by. circumstance, victim. You can't. weaponize that because people will cling. to it. They're people love excuses. Anybody who does sports, you played.

hockey, people love excuses. Nah, today. my back hurts. Today I don't feel up to. it. I'm a little tired. I can't do the. final lap. People love excuses. And when. you weaponize that and you give people. incentives to be excuses and then you. you put people on their heels like, whoa, I don't want to appear that I'm. insensitive. Let's help you out. And. then all of a sudden you've got a whole. swath of society that has uh cart blanch. over your tax dollars for nonsense.

>> Well, this is this is obviously what's. happened in the UK. When I was brought. up again, competition was a good thing. You know, if you if you if you felt a bit rough, you just carried on. You you didn't win. You didn't moan. You expected to fight. for things. If you had a setback, you. didn't immediately go and cry into your. beer. You you basically got on with it. Well, we need to teach people that that. that's it's character building. Like. you're going to have rough days and you. should cherish those rough days because. from them you will grow. You will grow.

from your rough days. The the down times. are the good ones because those down. times really give you the motivation and. the the real firepower to get out of. whatever situation you're in and improve. your life. And from adversity comes. comes success. Yes. I think character. for sure. >> Character and success. Yeah. >> Yeah. character for sure. I mean, it. doesn't exist without some sort of. adversity. >> But I do think I think the young were. also badly affected by the COVID by the. response to COVID. Joe, I I I think you.

and I share something in common. I'm a. pure blood. I I haven't I didn't have. those. >> Pure blood's hilarious. >> I didn't have those I didn't have those. injections. I I wouldn't go anywhere. near them. >> How did you get away with that in the. UK? >> Well, I used to go to Australia a lot. So So I because I have some businesses. in Perth in Western Australia. I I love. those old rocks in Western Australia, you know, the mining, the the sort of. wild west and Calguri and places like. that, you know, um which have got a huge. historical uh connection to sort of gold. prospecting and stuff. So, I stopped.

going. I stopped traveling because it. was very difficult to travel. But I I I. don't know about you, I found the. lockdown profoundly concerning. I. thought I thought things that I thought. were nor the norm I was losing. everything that made sense. >> Yeah. >> And you know there were things happening. that I didn't think could ever happen in. Britain. uh you know the state literally took. over and it frightened people into.

submission. >> America. >> and the young people suffered most. because. >> you they didn't have the opportunity to. socialize and to to your point discuss. ideas and and and and get at the truth. They they were literally locked up. >> Everything was online. It wasn't uh it. wasn't right. The whole thing was. completely wrong. And. >> yeah, imagine if you're in high school. in America and you're in California. your entire senior year, you're you're. at home. You graduate, you can't even go.

to a graduation because it's too. dangerous. >> Yeah. >> The the whole thing was madness. >> Well, Sweden Sweden got it right. Anders. Taylor in Sweden, he he was he was a. great man. Very brave man. >> And he got he got that right. >> And boy, there was a lot of push back. It was amazing how many people were. willing to do the work of the. government. How many citizens were. willing to enforce these ideas. It it. was really shocking. It was shocking to. watch how many people became lemmings. How many people just stepped in line? >> We had people ratting on each other. >> Yeah. Oh, we did it because they were.

rewarding people in Los Angeles. >> Yeah. >> They were giving them financial rewards. for telling on their neighbors that. we're having parties. >> That's what happened in England. I I I I. have a tennis court in the middle of. nowhere. So, I used to say, "Come up and. play tennis." Cuz ridiculous to stop you. playing tennis outside. I mean, absolutely mad. Anyway, they used to. come up and and play tennis. Uh and. nobody can see see it. If they played it. in the village, then people would report. each other. >> Yeah. In California, we had people. report on us because this desk is not. six feet wide.

>> Seriously? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then. they uh also said we were talking close. to each other without masks because. there was a bunch of people that saw. people walk in to the studio and we. shook their hand so they were ratting on. us. And so we had to put a sign up in. the front door of the studio and we had. to have a bag of masks. a whole bag of. M. Do we have to have hand sanitizer, too? Did we have that, too? >> Probably. >> I think so. I think we had to have hand. sanitizer for a while at least. But we. were getting ratted on because this desk.

is too close. So, it's not This desk's. only 5t wide, so it's no social. distancing. >> It's pathetic, Joe, isn't it? [laughter]. >> It was nonsense. It was It was so crazy. The whole thing made no sense. And uh it. completely changed a lot of people's. ideas about um trusting experts and. trusting authority. So many people thought that the health. experts in this country were literally. just trying to make people healthy and. you didn't realize like, oh no, no, no,

no. They're trying to prop up the. pharmaceutical drug cartel and they're. trying to make as much money as humanly. possible and the only way to do that is. to force compliance. And so they will do. whatever they can. They will keep you. from flying. They'll keep you from. driving. that keep you from going to. school. You can't work. If you have a. more than 100 employees, everyone has to. get vaccinated. They were doing crazy. where you're like, you guys are. really going for it. And it worked. It. worked for quite a while, but boy did it. ruin young people's perspective of. authority. >> completely. >> They don't trust anybody anymore. And.

with good reason. >> Well, I think it damaged them most. Again, it's another negative for them. I. mean, our national health service was. forcing people to have the inject. You. had to work in the National Health. Service, you had to have the jabs. >> Yeah. And it didn't work. >> It didn't work. >> That's what's crazy. >> Actually, worse than that, Joe. It. didn't work. It created major medical. problems. Right. >> And I I don't personally think we've. seen the end of it yet. So, I've got a. lot of friends who are fit. They they. ended up having myocarditis, having. strokes, >> having heart attacks. And at the end of. the day,

>> everybody knows somebody that has a. horrible reaction to it. >> Everybody does. >> Yeah. Everyone. And to people that say. they don't, I've had conversations with. people. I don't know anybody who had a. side effect. I'm like, you for. lying. There's no way that's possible. Unless you are the luckiest person in. the world and you have a extremely small. social circle and out of that social. circle, no one had a bad reaction that. which is very unlikely. Unless that's. true, like you're you're just lying. And. you're lying because you probably were.

supportive of the vaccine initially and. you don't want to seem like you were on. the wrong side of things. >> Well, I lost friends. I don't know about. you cuz I people said I I hadn't been. vaccinated and therefore I was a risk to. their mom or their dad or their their. granny. >> Yeah, I lost a bunch of people. >> and I lost friends like that but um I. mean in countries like India you you you. know they didn't have the jab they had. they used ivormectin to a far far. greater extent and that. >> that was just as effective. I I know. >> I think I used to treat my it's a.

wormer. It's ivormectin. I used to treat. my cattle with ivormectin. >> Um but it worked. It worked well. Uh and. uh there were other there were other I. think treatments which worked far. >> Do you know what happened to me in. America over Ivormectin? Are you aware. of that? >> No. No. >> CNN like for days was running this uh. hit piece on me saying that I was taking. horse dewormer for co. >> Oh, it is. It is a worm. >> Yeah, it is. But it's also, you know, it's great for river blindness and deni.

fever. And I mean, it's they won the. Nobel Prize for use in human beings. And. they were they were claiming on CNN that. I was taking veterinary medicine. And. they not only that, but they changed the. color of my face. So they took a video. I was supposed to do a concert with Dave. Chappelle that weekend in Nashville. And. I had to make a video saying, "I'm. sorry, but we have to cancel it because. I got COVID." So I said, "I had COVID. like two days ago. I was sick, but I'm. fine now." And I explained all the stuff. that I my doctor threw the kitchen sink. at it. We took all these different. things. And one of the things that I.

mentioned was Ivormectin. And because of. me mentioning that, I also said. monoconal antibodies, Zpack. I talked. about all the different the IV vitamins. I took a bunch of different stuff and I. got better quick. And they took the. video and changed the color of my face. to make me look green on CNN. >> On CNN. >> Well, CNN's not a good not a good. channel, is it? >> I didn't know. I didn't know until I saw. that. I was like, "Wow, like this is I. was like, do I have to sue CNN?" Like,

this is crazy. >> So, is that Bill Hartzia when you're. talking about with the eyes, the worm in. the eyes? Is that the Bill Hartzer you. get from the water in Africa? >> Um, river blindness. I do not know what. that. >> I think it's called Bill Hartz. I think. I may be wrong. >> You might be right. Um, but I know they. also it's used to treat yellow fever, dang fever. It's used to treat a bunch. of different things. But it, you know, it also has antiviral properties that. have been demonstrated like there's. papers on it. >> and it's very cheap. >> Yes. That but that's the problem. The.

problem is anybody can make it and you. could buy it for like it's like a dollar. a pill or something like that's nothing. >> Yeah. And that was the real problem is. that like if you want to have the. emergency use authorization of a vaccine. that hasn't gone through the safety. protocols in America, you you you have. to have no other medications that are. available that can treat it. So the. reason why they went after me on CNN was. because clearly I was doing okay. It was. 3 days later and I said I never got. vaccinated. So here's all the stuff that. I took and now I'm fine. and they went.

crazy and it was this concerted campaign. to try to destroy me. Neil Young took. his music off Spotify cuz he said. >> he was he was on sound. >> because it said that he said that I was. promoting vaccine misinformation and he. probably believed that. He probably did. believe that, but he didn't know what. the he was talking about. He just. he's another old boomer that just. watches the news. >> Yes, he I I did used to like his music. when I was in school, didn't you? >> I still love it. Still I still listen. I. don't care. I mean, I I even told a. story when I made the video about how um.

when I was at a Neil Young concert, well, I was working at a Neil Young. concert actually when I was 19 and that. was the last day on the job because a. riot broke out. And I was like, I'm a. huge Neil Young fan. Like, I don't care. He just doesn't know. He's someone told. him this or he really thinks he's doing. the right thing by removing his music. Like, okay. But what you're doing is. you're supporting this machine that is. lying to people and telling people the. only way to get through this is to get. vaccinated. when in fact there's real. like Udor Pradesh in in India where they. it was just very low instances of COVID.

fatality. All of it was through. Ivormect. >> Yeah, it's it's. >> they had amazing success with just. Ivormectton. >> But again, I think the state knows that. it's caused damage. I just don't think. they can admit it at the moment. >> No, they're not going to admit they're. never going to admit it. They just gloss. over it and move on. And some of the. same people that were promoting that. on the news, they still deny it. They still deny and they've lost debates. like Chris Cromo got destroyed by my. buddy Dave Smith because of it. Like. they're in denial of like the things. that they were actually saying. >> Yeah. Was like fluoride in water and.

folic acid in bread and all this sort of. >> all that It's all terrible. >> It's got I mean it's it's it's sort of. man getting high on his own supply, isn't it? Really? >> Well, it's also a business. That's the. real problem is that there's lobbies in. this country that, you know, they they. want to continue making money the same. way they've been making money. Yeah. And. one of the ways they do it in America is. they advertise on the networks. So, the. pharmaceutical drug companies all. advertise on all these networks and. they're an enormous part of the.

advertising budget. I know in England. that's not legal and it's only legal in. America and in New Zealand. Those are. the only two countries that allow. pharmaceutical drug companies to. advertise on television. But what it. effectively does is it stops all. criticism of any side effects. There's. no stories on heart attacks. There's no. stories on strokes. No stories on. myocarditis. Now, if they weren't. advertising and then someone was making. money off of something that was killing. people, that's the news. Yeah. The news.

would be all over it. But they have. effectively ruined their own reputation. by turning a blind eye on something that. everybody knows. >> But you think they're turning a blind. eye? I think they know. I I think they. know, but they can't admit it. I think. >> Well, the people the individuals most. certainly must know someone who got. >> something from CO some from the CO shot. Someone, you know, someone who had a. stroke. You know, someone who's got a. neurological condition. You I know way. too many people for you to not know. anybody. I know I have two people that I. know that have pacemakers now. Like.

there's there's a lot of weird horrible. side effects that happen from that. If. you don't know anybody that had one, I. don't believe you. >> Well, I know loads. I mean, my my. sister-in-law had myocarditis. Uh I've had a friend, my best friend had. a stroke literally a week after having. having the jab. Uh people have had. problems with heart arrhythmia. >> Yeah. >> All sorts of stuff. And and there's some. been some issues with blood, too. >> Yeah. So look, I I think as usual, money.

probably goes to the root of it, Joe. >> Absolutely. >> And we had something in in the Britain. called the nudge team, which basically. was I mean, how the government thought. that was okay. It's a bit like when I. was in football, people were hacking my. phone and thought that was okay. But. with the nudge team, it was to nudge. people into accepting the lockdown and. and it was effectively very clever. manipulation of the population. So look, I mean I I you can't believe that the. state thinks that's okay, but they did. >> They did. Yeah, they did. And they did.

it in America for depending on which. city you were in to various extents. Varying extents. Uh California was bad. It was real bad. I mean, they they. closed down all the comedy clubs. They. closed they lost 70% of all the. restaurants in Los Angeles. I mean, it's. crazy. >> Yeah. It's a great place [clears throat]. to live, California, though. I What's. that? >> It's a great place to live, California. That's why people still tolerate it. I. mean, if if California had the weather. of Seattle, it would be empty. >> It would. Yes. >> You know what I mean? It's like the. reason why people are still there is.

because God, it's so amazing and there's. so many cool people there and it's so. nice and the weather's incredible and. the views and you could be at the ocean. and then two hours later you're in the. mountains. I mean, it's an amazing. place. >> It's an amazing place. I I went. >> filled with dumb asses. >> Yeah. It was socialist. Yeah. Unfortunately, it's been permeated. socialism. >> that and grifters. grifters pretending. to be socialist. They're essentially. those people with the wolf with the the. sheep wrapped around them. That's a. large Yeah. That's a large portion of. the government in Los Angeles and a. large portion of the government in.

California in general. And the way you. know this is how wealthy those. people are and how it doesn't make sense. how they're so wealthy. You're making. how much a year and you're worth how. much? >> Crime. >> Yeah. Crime. They're doing crime. Crime. Well, you one of the things that. happened very recently is uh they just. announced that um the governor of. California, one of the people on his. staff had been wearing a wire for over a. year. Did you see that story, Jamie? >> What's that?

>> I don't know what they got. >> Well, no, no, I don't know what they got. either, but this lady had been See if. you can find it what it says. But she. had been wearing a wire. She's uh. working for the Gavin Newsome. organization. Yeah. >> And uh she was working for the. administration and she was wearing a. wire for the FBI cuz they had been. investigating him. >> for and this was during the Biden. administration. They started this. So. they started this in 2024. If they're. investigating him, it's supposed to be. like they must know that some real. is going down. FBI infiltrated Gavin.

Newsome's inner circle by convincing. Governor's Ally to wear a wire. >> Yeah. >> Not good. >> Not good. But I think it's the same in. Chicago. You've got some pretty bad. spots. San Francisco, I think, is not. good. >> It's a lot of people that are profiting. off of this idea that, you know, the. government should be taking care of. everybody and you should be making all. this money from taxes. And then, you. know, California spent $24 billion on. the homeless and it just got worse. It. just like and so that now it's an.

industry. So now you have this homeless, taking care of the homeless is now an. industry. And there's people on the. homeless industry board that are making. hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. And it's like what are we doing? Well, >> it's the same with compliance. It's the. same with, as you say, DEI. Yeah. >> There's a whole industry in the UK of. people making vast amounts of money on, you know, compliance, DEI, >> basically wealth creation, uh, which. ultimately uh, strips personal. responsibility and and tries to imbue. everybody with a very sort of maligned.

philosophy which which which is very. damaging to to. >> under the guise of being inclusive. >> Correct. [laughter] And also, you're. getting wealthy. How many people from. these nonprofits are getting enormously. wealthy? Like, this is insane. And that. was one of the things that US A clearly. uncovered. I mean, I don't know if you. ever seen Mike Benz and some of his. takes on it. >> Yeah. And it's shocking. I couldn't. believe it. >> There's so many hours of it. It's almost. like there's too much information to. digest. You you I could listen to like.

an hour of it. I was like, I got to stop. because I just don't know when this. ends. I'm not even absorbing this. I'm. just so flabbergasted by the extent of. the corruption. The amount of money. that's been gone to fraud and possibly. waste over the years is just staggering. But but it also went all over the world, didn't it? It was it was a a philosophy, a poor philosophy that was being. exported to other countries and. particularly to Britain. I mean, we we. have a presenter called Rory Stewart. His wife was was being funded by some of.

this stuff which got shut down. Did they. shut the whole thing down? They shut us. They leave a remnant of it. >> I don't know exactly how much they've. left, but essentially it's been shut. down. Um, of course, if there was ever a. Democrat that got elected president in. 2028, it would probably start that. right back up. Open the borders right. back up. Business as usual. >> That would not be good, J. >> No. It seems like there's there was a. desire to move people into blue states. and then eventually get them on social.

assistance and then get them to become. citizens and then you have guaranteed. voters because they you want to continue. this, right? You want to continue living. like this. Well, this is the way. And. then you would just completely take over. the presidential elections. And I think. they were trying to do that. This is. Elon's perspective and I think he's. right. Um and you know he's obviously. much more aware of the problem in terms. of like the extent that US aid was. involved and these nonprofits and NOS's. were involved. It seems like there was a. concerted effort to do this and it's.

it's disturbing. >> but again a lack of respect for tax fair. taxpayer funds which which is what we. have in the UK. I mean, we need your. help at the moment. You've got at least. you you're making a stab at returning to. some form of normality. >> for now, but if we don't it I mean, we might have it up by going to. Iran. I mean, the this war is not. something anybody that's conservative. wanted. Most people don't want it except. supporters of Israel. They're the only. people that seem to be thinking it's a. good idea in this country. Most people.

are horrified by the idea because Trump. was elected. One of the pillars that he. he stood for apparently was that he. doesn't want any more wars. >> Well, he was I came out against it on. the basis for us of rail politique, which is it wasn't in the interest of. the British nation. >> Right. >> And I think again most of these uh uh. leaders should put the interests of. their taxpaying public first. >> and there's only a reason to go to war. if if it's going to benefit you. >> And I I it was difficult to see what the. benefit was. uh uh although I think Iran.

is is a a sort of malevolent state and. it is spreading uh very bad philosophy. across obviously you know you you've got. Hezbollah in in in Lebanon and then. we've got Hamas uh uh causing a problem. So I think I think they are a problem. but the the certainly from our point of. view I mean you you're you're the only. country with a with the ability to do. anything about it. I mean, we we we had. one warship uh which which which which. didn't work properly when it was sent.

out to help. So, I mean, goodness knows. we, you know, we've spent all our money. on welfare and not enough money on. defense. So, no, we need we need help. and and I think um to your point, Elon. Musk has been to to my mind incredibly. helpful in restoring free speech because. Starmer and and and these Fabians, Fabian Pablo, Hallane Society, as I call. them, they're sort of all they're all. they've all got this malign philosophy.

and and and and I think what giving us. free speech has done is it's stopped. them uh uh uh crushing the spirit of. those people who do want to debate, who. do want to discuss, who do want to get. at the truth, >> but they've done so much to stop free. speech with all these arrests. >> It's extraordinary. >> because they've also they've. incentivized people to keep their mouth. shut because no one wants to be in. trouble. >> Well, it's it's two-tier policing. You've got to your point about, you. know, that the Palestinian marches are. tolerated whereas any form of Tommy. Robinson uh uh march and Tommy Robinson.

in the UK, he's deeply uh disliked by. the establishment. I give him credit for. what he did again on the grooming gangs. in 2003. He was warning about this in. 2003 in Luton. Not only that, I remember. people dismissing that um in 2003 or. four where where whenever it was when I. first heard about it, they were talking. about him as he was just horrible. faright extremist. >> I know. >> And that he was uh making up these.

stories about these uh grooming gangs. and rape gangs. I I remember hearing. that. I remember not knowing like what. what is it? What's accurate here? Like. what's going on? >> Well, I think the the accuracy is that. he was right. uh the establishment. didn't want to admit it because if we're. right well I am I I think we are right. about their multicultural post-war. experiment they realized it was failing. because you can't justify. uh the the the the sort of abuse and. grooming of the most vulnerable people. in your society uh by people who've come.

into the country uh they should be. treated equally under the law a rape is. a rape it doesn't matter whether it's. perpetrated by somebody from is from a. Muslim country for a Christian country, rape is rape and it should be treated. the same. >> What would you do to stop this? Like. imagine if you got into power right now, what would you do to put a stop to that? >> Well, we have to root it out and we have. to stop it. >> Apply the law, the the the law of our. land to the people who are perpetrating. it.

>> The problem is the police have. institutionally been been taught that. they are racist. uh and we had the. Steven Lawrence killing uh which was. which was didn't reflect well in the UK. but the response to it has created this. fear of being being called a racist. >> which is the Steven Lawrence killing. >> Steven Lawrence was killed I think it. was in it was late 90s he was he was he. was stabbed by some uh sort of British. uh miscreants. >> um and where was he from he died he it. was it was in London. >> where was Steven Lawrence from.

>> he was he was a black a black so it's a. racial hate crime. >> it was a racial hate crime. Okay. And this is in the. >> and it was blown up. And again, you you. find that the racial hate crime. involving any white people is now blown. up, whereas the more the very often and. increasingly common uh uh acts against. the indigenous white people are hushed. up as much as they possibly can be. >> That's a funny thing to say. Indigenous. white people. >> Yeah. >> And what I mean is real for England, but. I mean nobody thinks about that in. America. You would never say like.

indigenous white people. Well, we we we. we do have an identity. >> Yes, of course. It's the reason why. everyone's so pale. >> Yeah. Yeah. We we do we do have an. identity, but I think it really is. indigenous. >> As I say, we've been very tolerant and. of of people who've needed help. We've. let them into the country and on the. whole, they have integrated and they. have contributed, right? >> And I have no problem with that. Like. you, I'm absolutely in favor of that. And I. >> Right. The only problem is the people. that aren't integrating. >> If people don't want to come and and. live and integrate and contribute, then.

they shouldn't come. and they should. they should remain in their own country. >> Well, it's also the idea of. incentivizing people to illegally. migrate to your country is just pure. insanity. You're going to run out of. money and you're also putting a burden. on these taxpayers for no reason. whatsoever. It does it's a bad use of. their tax dollars. >> But in our immigration document, we put. forward, you know, the case for a, you. know, basically a a hostile environment. We don't want to be handing out welfare. We don't want to be encouraging people. to come. We want to create a hostile.

environment and encourage people to go. uh unless they're contributing to go. back to their own country uh and and. live there particularly if they don't. like our culture and our laws and they. don't respect us and they think we're. the infidel. >> But do do laws exist that would allow. you to ex to deport those people? >> Well, you'd have to repeal. So that's. why that's why it's so important we win. an overall majority in in parliament by. 29 because then we can repeal a lot of. this legislation which will then empower. the nation state again.

>> So this is the legislation that provides. health care, dental, welfare, housing. >> This is legislation largely passed by. Tony Blair and his acolytes. >> and this was all just to encourage mass. migration. I think it was to encourage. this mass immigration and make it very. difficult to stop it practically. Interestingly, he's quite crafty because. he came out the other day trying to. distance himself from a lot of the. things that he he has actually created.

So, he's he's quite a canny old fox and. he does look he looks a bit like. Beelzeub these days. I mean, he's got. this white hair and these piercing sort. of eyes. I I I I can't help look at him. and and think of evil. But but look, so. he ultimately uh uh I think him and his. team realized what they they realized. what they were doing and he had he had. it was all done through the law. You. have to do in a in a country that. [clears throat] believes in the rule of. law. The only way to change it is. through control of parliament. So you.

have to do it top down through the. parliamentary system so that you can. repeal the laws and you can pass the. laws you want to pass to empower the. nation state. And at the same time, which we're doing, you need to start. controlling local government as well. because local government's gone badly. wrong. And a lot of the failures from. the from the rape gang inquiry weren't. just the national government, you had. failure at local government as well. So. >> So is are the local government willfully. ignorant? Are they denying its. existence? Are they gaslighting people.

on it? Like. >> Yeah. In the case of Labor, they've. enabled it. you know, they they they I I. say I can't see how anybody can ever. vote Labor again after they've read this. report because Labor has clearly enabled. this both at national level by denying. what's been going on and at local level. where you where you have local. government. So, it happens mainly in. labor controlled areas. You've got people denying completely. that this has been happening whereas we.

know it's happening. We have people like. Sammy Woodhouse who's a victim of it who. had a child by her by her rapist. So, so. ultimately local government has to be. controlled from the bottom up and we. started that process. We won uh nine out. of nine county council seats in Norfolk. So, my constituency is on the the coast. in England. So, it's a coastal. constituency. been very badly served by the post-war. elite. So the fishermen in England have. been sold down the river uh to to.

largely to the European uh fishermen as. part of the membership of the EU. So. Norfolk is a is a county on the east. coast. It's it's got rich farmland and. farming is my passion. I I love farming. I absolutely it's my hobby and I love. it. So I at the end of the day we have. to control local government and change. it bottom up and we have to then get. control of national government and. change it top down. I would imagine. >> And if we can do that, Joe, I truly. think if we can I truly think we can. release the spirit of the British.

people, and I think they want it. But. they've got to show they've got to show. to the ballot box that that's what they. want. >> I'd imagine there's going to be an. enormous amount of resistance to this. kind of huge change. >> from organized crime, which I think. we're now in the hands of, from a. corrupt judiciary, from a police force. that's that's gone wrong, uh from local. government that's gone wrong, the NHS. has gone wrong. again it's it's it's a. state monopoly and and it its original. function I think has been subverted. So.

so uh you've got you've got everything. to your point the education system is. wrong. So there's a lot of change that. needs to happen but I think. fundamentally the electorate you saw. them in 2016 vote to take back their. sovereignty. The government wrote a. letter uh to all the households in the. UK recommending they vote to remain in. the European Union. This is David. Cameron. But actually the British people didn't. They voted to leave. And they didn't do. it, I think, for financial reasons. They.

did it because they wanted their country. back. They wanted their sovereignty. back. They wanted an accountable. parliament in Westminster. And some of. our problems emanate from the fact that. Tony Blair's reforms have undermined our. parliament. So our parliament is. supposed to be omnipotent. It's supposed. to be completely contain the elected. representatives of the people. So so. parliament is supposed to be right at. the top of the chain. But what's. happened is it's been undermined by. these quangos that Tony Blair set up.

which has effectively created at the. life of their own. So the Supreme Court. and literally there are hundreds of. these quangos that now employ unelected. people. >> You what is that word quango? Well, Quango is a like a quasi national. government organization. Okay. >> So, so they they are, you know, you've. got all sorts of bodies, you know, the. sort of bar standards board. You've got. loads of bodies which now uh prevail. You know, you've got bodies on almost. everything which which again have have.

flourished since Tony Blair's. legislation. Prior to that, uh power lay with parliament. So that's. why they've been able to control a lot. of what goes on because the two-party. system, the blues and the reds, the. tourism and labor basically have have. tried to out compete each other. So the. entire parliament uh Blair took it left. Cameron emulated Blair and you didn't. actually get proper conservative thought.

uh to change uh a lot of this stuff that. was wrong. So, I think I think uh I. think this is an opportunity and I I. think it's our last opportunity and I. and all the help we can get from from. you guys. I mean, we made a bad mistake. in in in in letting you declare your. independence, which you're celebrating. tomorrow in the first place. >> Had we had we played our cards better, I. think you'd still be you should should. still be part of part of I think what's. going on. >> It's worked out pretty well for you. Not. so well for us. >> Sorry, but I think we're better off. But.

I I do want to see I do want to see. >> otherwise it'll be under your laws. [laughter]. >> Well, I do want to see the Anglo-Saxon. world support each other. I think. there's not enough of that. We're too. fragmented. There's too much sort of. whether it's the World Economic Forum. I. said, whatever the reason, there's too. much fragmentation and too much. undermining. of of this cohesive Anglo-Saxon world, which let's face it, is the reason why. we all have individual freedom. Because. as we said earlier, individual freedom.

is incredibly fragile and we could we. could lose it at any minute. Joe, >> I mean the the society that what you. know the way we look at America when in. when people look at it the right way or. when people are proud of America, they. look at it as a place where anybody can. come and achieve your dreams. And it's. it it doesn't mean only white people. It. doesn't mean only black people. It just. means Americans. We're supposed to be a. community, a team, you know, and the. fact that we're a melting pot, that. we're not like, you know, indigenous.

white people like England is part of the. fun of it all, that everyone's welcome. Just come over here and do your thing. and follow the rules. But the problem. with this country is the problem with. any country when you're being run by. people that are completely corrupt and. you're being run by people that are. influenced by enormous corporations that. don't care about the people, that only. care about the bottom line. how much. money they're making and how do they how. do they rig things and and then you have. politicians that are making $170,000 a.

year but they're somehow worth $400. million and no one questions it and no. one's in jail. The whole thing is. bonkers and it's just you're always. going to have crooks and you you got to. hold them off. You got to hold them off. as much as possible. When you recognize. they're in you got to do a cleaning. You. got to clean house. You got to clean. house and get rid of them. If you don't, you're just going to have the problems. just going to get worse because they're. going to figure out, okay, it's just. like antibiotics when you don't take the. full round and the the stuff doesn't. really go down your Well, now you got. medication resistant bacteria. Congratulations. Your medication has.

made the bacteria worse. So, if you. fight off the corruption a little bit. and then you stop, they go, "Oh, well, we got to we were close. We almost. figured it all out and got it all. rigged, but now we got to make sure that. we lock people down and have even more. laws and even more restrictions. And. >> well, you've you've summed up what we. need to do in the UK very well. I mean, we are, I think, in the hands of. organized crime. I I think a lot of the. institutions that we had previously have. become rotten.

>> I think it's the right way to recognize. it, too. >> It is. It's in the And and to your. point, you know, we do need to now. punish people who've let us down. >> Yeah. It's crime. It really is crime. and and to just pretend because it's. been going on for so long and that it's. business as usual that it's not a crime. Like, no, it's crime. It's crime. It's. just somehow another crime that's. tolerated. >> Well, letting down people who've elected. you and given their trust to you is is a. massive crime. It's it's. >> not just letting down betraying them. I.

mean, we we have the same as you, but to. a lesser extent because you you've. obviously got far more wealth than us. But like you see these officials. >> uh who end up becoming rich and you. wonder how they do it. >> Yeah. >> And they're on salaries and they're. taxed heavily and yet they always seem. to flourish. They never seem to be short. of money. So I I I and I look at our. judiciary which is again now a quango. The judges um are no longer appointed by. parliament. appointed by this woke. quanger.

And I had an issue in parliament, you. know, I I was uh I I challenged. parliament because to the point where. I've been saying we need to return power. to parliament. They they have this body. called the indep in ICGS independent. complaint agreement scheme. And in. parliament we have this system called. parliamentary privilege. So I can speak. on the floor of the house and I can't be. sued for liable. You can say whatever. you want. That's the essence of free. speech in the in the chamber of the. commons. Now, this this body has.

actually been expressly taken outside. parliament. And the case I had against. them was they tried to say I couldn't I. caught them doing something I thought. was wrong and I wanted to take them to. court. They said you can't take us to. court because we're parliamentary. privileged even though it doesn't it's. not the chamber. It's not an MP. speaking. It's got no MPs on this. committee. It doesn't report to a. parliamentary committee. And yet the. judge found they had parliamentary. privilege, didn't address the questions. So this is how this is how the elected.

assembly has been undermined. >> And this is what we have to we have to. return power to the elected. representatives of the people. >> There's also another thing that the that. Britain has done recently that's very. disturbing, which is eliminate jury. trials for a lot of people. >> They're trying to do that. >> They're trying to do that. >> They're trying. So it's not fit. It's. not established yet. They haven't yet. done it because there is there are still. a few decent Labor MPs who fought. against it. >> Oh, good. >> Uh but again, I think that's all a.

manifestation of organized crime because. if you control the judges, >> of course, >> and and you and you can force. >> more and more people through a judge. system rather than a jury system. And so. for liel trials, I I fought a liel trial. when I was in football against uh the. the uh the Times, which is Rupert. Murdoch's paper. And you know, I I think. I had my phones hacked and I fought a. liel trial against them.

>> So the newspaper hacked your phone? >> They hacked when I was in football, they. were hacking my phone every day. >> Wow. How were they doing it? >> Listening in through my voicemails. >> How'd they do it? >> And then they can a number from the. voicemail and start listening. So if you. called me and left a message, they could. flag your number off my phone. And they. thought this was okay. These were. national newspapers. >> And again, I I. >> How did they get into your voicemail? >> Well, because they in the old days, you. you know, people if people had a a code. to to encrypt their phone, and they. didn't do it properly. >> So we had 0000.

>> If you didn't change that, they got into. your phone, right? So they got into my. phone. They got into lots of people's. phones. >> Wow. >> Cuz you never know quite how they did. it. So if you'd left me a message, they. could flag your number. >> and then they'd start listening to your. phone and everything else. Now I think. you know that was that was that in this. case Murdoch but Murdoch I think has. done a lot for the right-wing cause. I. don't always agree with everything and I. certainly didn't agree with him hacking. phones. But this all this all goes to. the point of the establishment becoming.

corrupted and from corruption uh I think. again you end up with oppression and and. and we need to sort that out. >> Yeah. >> And I'm hoping if I put myself up and. the people agree they will change things. and I think they are in a feebra mood. So I'm hoping that they will take the. opportunity and give us the power to do. it. I'm glad you brought that part up. because we're not really aware in. America of what the general mood of the. country is like where people are leaning. in what direction as far as England.

goes. What is it like? Are are is a. large percentage of the population fed. up? I mean, what what's going on over. there? >> Well, I think it to your point, you've. got this body of people who are. profiting on the back of these concepts. which are you and I would agree are. completely flawed. So they're obviously. they're obviously in control at the. moment. But then you've got the body of. people this this increasingly small. percentage of what I call the private. sector which now accounts for a smaller.

and smaller proportion of GDP. So so your percentage of GDP uh uh. accounted for by the state is much much. smaller than ours. So our I mean I mean. directly and indirectly I I I I would. estimate that our that our uh the share. of government now in our in our economy. is is over 50%. If you take the the. effect of these quangos and everything. else here you're much smaller than that. Now that's come you know pre-B Blair.

Thatcher we we were in a very very good. economic state and the state accounted. for you know what it was 30 33%. something like that. It's now up to. nearly 50% and rising. And and this is. what the the Fabians want. They want a. dependency culture, >> right? >> A sort of centrally planned USSR style. uh uh dishing out of taxpayer funds. So. they've diminished the private sector. which they're taxing into oblivion which. has meant that a lot of our most able.

people have left the country. So we've. lost a lot of our rain makers have gone. So a lot of our best people uh went to. obviously Italy to Dubai to Abu Dhabi. Uh all over the world some of them would. have come here. Uh so the best brains um. have have gone. Uh and and I think the. non-doms have gone which again I think. is a huge error because they've now been. taxed rather than being encouraged to to. spend their time in the UK. So, so, so, so we're being hollowed out.

by this socialist philosophy. which is creating uh uh damage to the. private sector and in empowering. the the public sector. >> Is there a large percentage of young. people that are aware of this? >> Oh, the young people have I' I've been. incredibly impressed and a lot of them. support us. So they, you know, they can. see that we're trying, I think, to at. least rebalance this. And until we get. this right, it's going to be very.

difficult to to sort their situation. out. Now, there's no overnight fix these. days. And and I don't know, I don't. think any of us know quite what effect. AI is going to have on on the employment. market, on on on opportunities for young. people. Uh I mean in many ways if. they've got a very good brain they've. got the huge opportunity to to to do. very well and enrich themselves but. increasingly it's fewer and fewer. people. It's not like the industrial. revolution where the majority of people.

had an increasing standard of living. It's going to be very interesting to see. how we all cope with with this uh. incredibly fastm moving revolution which. is what it is which is which is arguably. uh going to create some incredibly rich. people and uh those people who haven't. got the brain power will end up. struggling. So it's I I it's hard to see. how that's going to end. >> But that doesn't mean to say we want a. state central planning everything. We.

know historically that doesn't work. and and and from that comes a sort of. shutdown of thought and and and debate. and and free speech and all the things. that. that you and I I love. I mean, I I. that's to me that's that's a country I. want to live in. I don't want to live in. a centrally planned mess. So, so I I. we're in very uncertain times, but. I I'm I'm optimistic that if you release. the ability, the innate ability of of of. people uh in Britain in particular in.

this case, I think we can turn it round. still. Can't guarantee it, but I'm. pretty sure we can still turn it round, but it's got to happen now. If it. doesn't happen now, it would have gone. too far. Well, I certainly hope you can. because uh for America when we see. what's happening, particularly with the. social media post and the arrest, it's. so disturbing for us. And then of course. with your the rape gang inquiry report. was impossible to believe. It's it's. impossible. So,

you know, we um we hope you guys turn it. around. And when is your elections? >> We don't know, Joe. Uh we've got this. character Andy Burnham who. >> Kia Starmer has stepped down as you. probably know. Andy Burnham I call him. the Ghostbuster. >> Uh he is just a more user friendly. version of of of Kostama. He's been the. mayor of Manchester. He stood in a. bi-election recently uh where he was.

elected uh and he's apparently going to. be anointed as prime minister uh by the. 20th of July. So this is a guy who up. until recently wasn't even an elected. politician. He's been a politician in. the past. >> He's been in the cabinet. >> Kier Starmer can just step down and put. another guy in his place and that guy. takes over. >> That's that's what's happening. >> That sounds crazy. >> I know. What a stupid way to run things. >> It's it's it's bonkers.

>> But so so so the answer to your question. is. >> he could run till 29. That's. >> that's the backs stop date. >> He could and everybody says he might. have a snap election. I think that's. highly unlikely. Labor have got the. biggest postwar majority. >> Why would he have a snap election? >> He's got three years left with a huge. majority. So why would he why would he. take a risk? uh in Manchester. He he he. was Manchester Mayor. >> Uhhuh. >> He's actually in the report in the rape. gang report. He's mentioned in the rape.

gang report for not doing enough in. Manchester, which which is a center of. rape gangs. Uh so he's involved in that. He's involved in that. You know, he's. mentioned in our report. It's in there. So So look, I I think in answer your. question, when's the election going to. be? Some people would say he's gonna. have an election soon. I don't agree. with that. I think he'd be mad because I. still think the public will judge Labor. harshly. uh because the economy is not going. well. People aren't feeling richer.

They're feeling poorer. Their businesses. are struggling. Their taxes have gone. up. Our taxes are at postwar highs now. So, and and the waste is just off the. scale. So, so when I'm in the public. accounts committee, which I sit in, again, it's all on you can you can watch. it on people watch it on on screens. It's it's it's it's the public accounts. committee is the most powerful committee. in parliament and we question these. civil servants to try and hold them to. account for the taxpayer. The waste is. just off the scale. So you've got a.

wasteful, inefficient state which is. then taxing the private sector into. oblivion, the increasingly small private. sector. And and that's not a recipe. that's going to encourage risk-taking. investment. It's not going to, you know, they're taxing family farms. They're. taxing family businesses for the first. time. They're basically breaking the. backbone of Britain. To the Fabian. point, they are they are enacting this. Fabian agenda which is designed to. create a a society that's reliant on the. state and I don't want I don't want.

that. >> Nobody should want that. Well, listen, man. Thank you very much for being here. I really appreciate it. I really. appreciate you uh taking the time. I. know it was difficult to get here for. this day and this is the only day we had. open. So, >> no, it's very kind of you to have me on, Joe. I know it's it's some big. celebrations tomorrow. So, >> good luck to you. >> Yeah, we're we're going to win. We're. going to we're I I'm I'm amazed at the. support we've got. And um I'm amazed at. the number of people who even on the. plane come up to me and and and and. thank me for what I'm doing and say. they're going to vote for us.

>> And I I think Britain's on the turn and. hopefully if we if we put up shop, tell. them what we're going to do, give them a. chance to vote for us. If they vote for. us, I shall do my best to change things. If they don't vote for me, well, that's. that's their prerogative. >> That's democracy. >> That's democracy. Good luck, sir. Thank. you very much. [music]. >> Pleasure. >> All right. [music].