Joe Rogan Experience #2517 - Taylor Sheridan

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> What's happening? [music]. >> What's up, buddy? >> That's a hell of a [ __ ] bell puckle. >> What is that? What is that? What's going. on there? >> So, this one is uh for a horse I have. called Maverick Buzz the Tower that won. reserve at the Futurity. >> And they give you a bellbuckle if you. win. >> a belt buckle and money. That's a dope. bell buckle.

>> Expensive belt buckle. >> So guys like you that understand horses, like if you saw someone with one of. those, you would know exactly what that. is right away. >> Oh yeah. And the year, depending on the. year, I'm I'm going to know the horse. [laughter]. >> It's like you fighter. It's like you had. fighters, >> I guess. I guess it's probably similar. Yeah. >> Oh, that guy won the thing in 2012. He. fought so and so and that's the same. with me and horses. It's always so. interesting to me how these there's. these different sort of categories of. interest that people have that you know. one person might not know anything I. don't know anything about horses but.

you're like [ __ ] balls deep you know. [ __ ] everything about it's crazy. >> it's such an interesting like pool of. knowledge the the people that are really. into horses and they start explaining. you like oh this is not as simple as. >> oh that's a horse and that's a horse too. like there's genetic lines and there's. certain tendencies that certain horses. actually pass on to their offspring. >> Oh yeah, >> it's crazy stuff. >> There's a stallion and I really like. him. I've got a number of horses by the.

st and his name's Spook's got a whiz and. and they're just incredibly balanced, real feely, very very quickfooted, big. stoppers, but they they see dead people. They see ghosts. So like. >> what? >> Once every 3 months for no reason, this. thing's going to [ __ ] check out. And. I mean, check out just decide it's not. safe here. We're going back to the barn. You can come with me or I'm gonna buck. your ass off or I'm gonna flip over. No, he just loses his mind. >> Whoa.

>> And you never know when it's going to. happen. >> And his children have this as well. >> Yeah. >> Whoa. >> Just a little quirk. >> And that's but other than that, they'reing automatic. >> That's a big quirk. That's like if you. have a Corvette and it decides to drive. home. [laughter]. >> Yeah. A little bit. A little bit. >> Most of the time you can go to the. store. We all deal with it cuz they're. worth it, >> I guess. But that seems so crazy. The. horsey. Do you really think it sees. ghosts? >> It he I don't know what he sees. Some. kind of boogeyman. They're a lot of them. are deaf. So. >> really? >> Yeah. >> Why?

>> So Well, there's a there's a a gene. Typically, if you see a horse with a. white face and the white goes above the. eyes, typically that horse is deaf. >> Wow. >> And so they can't hear, but they can feel the vibrations. So. like that that could that could set one. of those horses off. >> Just anything pounding on the ground. that might be something chasing it. >> Yeah. I mean they're prey animals. >> Right. Right. Right. >> So. >> wow. The deaf thing is crazy. I wonder. if that has any sort of an advantage.

where they could sort of tune out. distractions. You know, I would imagine if a horse is. at a rodeo. >> Yes, 100%. Because you know this crowds. are screaming and yelling it's not going. to bother them. Now, if they start. stomping their feet, I was going to show. this one horse of mine and I'm about to. run in the pen and all these guys are. cheering for this Italian rider and. they're all beating on the side of the. arena. >> Oh. >> And my horse checked the [ __ ] out. [laughter]. >> He checked the [ __ ] out.

>> Like a whole herd of elephants. >> Wow. I could imagine how weird that is. for the horse. Like it's being told to. do something, but its instincts are. like, "No, we got to get the [ __ ] out of. here. I can't hear anything. >> That's nuts. >> The hearing thing. There's a a a famous. pool player. His name is Shane Van. Boning. He's like one of the greatest. pool players of all time, if not the. greatest. And he's deaf. And he has. hearing aids. And when he plays, he. shuts him off. He just goes click. >> and goes into this world, >> the zone. >> just of balls and geometry and just.

doesn't miss. Just he's a horrifying. person to play. And because the fact. that he's got that extra sense shut off, like the hearing, he can shut it off. It's not just that. I mean, he's also. obsessive. He practices 10 hours a day. I He's a all-time wizard. >> Like he's won the US Open, which is the. hardest tournament to win in all of. pool. He's won it five times, >> which is just not There's only one other. guy in history, Earl Strickland, that's. won it five times. >> Everybody plays pool. Like everybody a.

little. Yeah. But then the levels to the. game, like you start getting a. professional pool player. >> Yeah. >> And they're playing a totally different. game. >> It's a totally different at just. watching it, you realize like, oh my. god, what am I doing? I'm hitting the. ball way too hard. I don't know what I'm. doing. My angles are all [ __ ] up. Like. this guy's playing that with English. I. would have just hit it straight. >> You watch a spin, a back spin, it hits. over here and the it's just. >> it's the control of the ball. It's just. like they're part of the the stick is. the part of their body. The stick and.

the ball, they're all connected in space. and time and they know where that ball's. going within millimeters. It's it's nuts. to watch. Like some of these guys, they'll hit a ball and it'll travel, it's a 9 foot table. It'll travel all. the [ __ ] away around the It's like a 12t. distance and it'll go in a 2-in spot and. you just go, "Fuck me.". It's crazy. And then if you do that and. you're deaf, too. Like you don't even. hear the cheers. You're just still in. the zone. >> Just hyperfocused. >> Yeah. Just hyperfocused. Autism probably.

helps too if you have that. >> Yeah. >> You know, little little. >> Oh, yeah. Just a touch of. >> I got a little I think [laughter]. >> I think anybody's good at anything. >> anybody's good at anything is either. ADHD or autistic. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> They tried to give me medicine for the. ADHD. >> Did they? >> Yeah. I'm like, "Fuck no.". >> How old were you when they tried to give. it to you? >> Oh, when I Well, they did give it to me. when I was a kid. >> Really? >> Yeah. What? they give you. >> and then you're who knows but whatever. you're little bottomized right and then. [ __ ]. >> and so I stopped taking it just cuz I. was now you're just like.

>> you know and so my parents were like. [ __ ] it just let him run around let him. >> my neighbor's kid they gave it to him. when I when I lived in California it was. such a bummer he was this wild little. kid and they gave it to him and all a. sudden he was flat. >> Yep. >> And I was like and [clears throat] the. lady was like oh he's on medication now. because he's hyperactive. I'm like, "Oh. my god, not my kid. Not my place. I'm. not saying nothing. >> I just go to work." You know, I was. single back then and I was like 28 or. 29. And I just I was just so confused.

how you could do that. And I kept. thinking like if somebody did that to me. when I was a kid, [ __ ] for sure I would. have been on drugs. Yeah. >> If my parents knew about those options, they could shut me the [ __ ] up. If I had. the wrong parent, my parents wouldn't. have done it, but if I had the wrong. parents, 100% I had all the traits that. would have allowed me to get on rin or. whatever. superpower if you understand. it. It's a superpower. >> Yeah. If you could find something you. love. >> People People say, "How in the world can. you write a script? You write all these. things." Like it's not that hard. Like.

once I know what it is, I can sit You. could sit me in an airport. around a thousand people. I won't hear. them and I can sit there for 12 hours. straight. >> cuz you love it. >> I just get I just hyperfocus. >> But if somebody wants you to pay. attention to the history of Pop-Tarts or. something, it's not going in there. physically can't do it. >> Yeah. It's not going in there. >> Yeah. That's that's the superpower. The. superpower is you could find something. you love and focus on it. But. >> the way our education system is designed. is so ass backwards. You take kids that.

are so energetic and they have so much. life and you just squeeze it out of. them. Just sit still, stay put, listen. to boring [ __ ] And all day they're just. fighting this desire to scream and just. run out of the building and go do. something fun. Wasn't the um like. essentially what we call the modern. public education system founded by or. really by the Rockefellers as a as a. means to create workers. >> Yep. Yep.

>> Like that's it. >> Compliant workers and soldiers. >> conform. Just one of the reasons why. they decided to start school so early. for kids is the earlier you can start. them, the more you can get them to do. whatever you want them to do. And the. more you can get them to pledge. allegiance and get really excited about. this that or the other thing, including. all the trans stuff that you see in. school, all the pride stuff. And. teachers are working with preschool kids. and they're talking about sexuality and. you're like, they're [ __ ] six. Like. they don't know what you're talking.

like, why are you even talking to them. about that? Because you can get them. early and you can program those thoughts. into their mind that this is a good. cause. And it could be anything. It. could be your religion. It could be your. political ideology. It could be being a. Christian, being a Muslim, whatever. If. you get kids young enough, you can talk. them into doing almost anything. That's. why they have child suicide bombers. They don't try to get guys in their 40s. with a family to strap a vest on. They. try to get kids. >> Yeah. And you know what what'll really.

bake a couple of noodles is if you look. at because all these things are funded, all these nonprofits and NGOs's they're. off, but where's the money come from? And when you look at where the money. comes from and you realize, oh wait a. minute, and it's been coming for 40, 50. years from these places. Qatar for. example, obviously Russia, China, all. these our enemies. donating money to all of these various. groups to divide to just eat away from.

the inside. >> Russia's been doing it since the 70s. >> Yeah. 60s. >> 60s. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That uh Yuri Bezmanov, I'm sure you've. seen that video. >> Anybody who hasn't, please watch it. It's Yuri Bezmanov and it's in 1984. And. this guy is essentially describing what. America is going to look like. eventually. And he's dead on. Just dead. on. Dead on with the communism, the. Marxism, the stuff in the universities, just completely poison their mind. Push. out any ideas of patriotism being a.

virtue. All the hate for America that. you have, like all the division, all of. it engineered. Yeah. It's wild. >> Just look at who it benefits. That's it. That's it. It's real simple. >> Yeah. just look and see who it benefits. >> Well, it benefits a lot of people in. this country as well. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people that really love. division and they can profit off of it. and they can work work an angle. You. know, we're with you. And this is a big. part of the problem with the whole idea. of nonprofits because nonprofits in.

theory are awesome. It's a great thing. that people are willing to donate their. money. like wealthy people who are doing. well say, "You know what? I I think my. money could be best suited helping out. other people. It's beautiful. It's one. of the most amazing notions about people. when they can be charitable when they. don't have to be. They do it because. they want to and they really want to. help. Then you find out what's really. going on and that the majority of the. money is going to overhead and. employees.". >> Well, think about this. If if I create a.

nonprofit to go solve Well, LA is a. perfect example. We can look at the. homeless situation that they have there. and all of these NOS's that are getting. all of this money. >> and the problem's getting worse. It's. not getting better, >> right? >> It's getting worse. But if I form an NGO. and that's my cause and I solve the. problem, well then what do I what do I. do with my NGO? >> Exactly. >> Now I got no money. Now there's no. reason to give me money. So they they. don't create them to solve problems. Anything exacerbate the problem.

>> Make the problem worse. Make it longer. Make it bigger. Look how big the problem. is. We need more money. >> Some guy was doing a breakdown of the. people that work in the homeless. industry industry I say in air quotes in. California because that's really what it. is. It's they spent $ 24 billion on the. homeless problem and no one can account. for it. And they they tried to get an. accounting of it. They tried to do an. audit of it and Newsome vetoed it. Vetoed it. Like why would you want to. know? Let's stop Let's stop all that.

nonsense and build this [ __ ] train. track to nowhere that's never gonna get. built. >> Well, they have a mile of it. They have. a mile of that train. >> Only cost a hundred billion dollars. Relax. [laughter]. >> Like things take time. >> They have a [ __ ] mile. Well, we're. trying to choose the path. How about. right beside the I5? How about that? How. about right next to the flat [ __ ]. highway? >> Everything they do sucks. Yeah. >> How about that stupid [ __ ] road over. the highway to make sure the mountain. lines are safe? >> Yeah. It's like over hund00 million. still not done. >> And they have them, by the way, that's.

not a new concept. They have those. throughout the West. Yeah. And they. don't cost [ __ ] They don't cost much. money at all. And they they fix them. quick. They do it quick. >> It's just. >> Yeah. They're done in a couple of. months. >> Yeah. Pour some cement, put some sod. down, plant some [ __ ] grass, and away. you go. >> Away you go. >> But there but we're we're applying logic. to a state that doesn't use that. It's. it is a it's like it is as goofy as it. gets and then you think it's as goofy as. it gets and then you hear that Portland. just okay so this is going to be on the. ballot in November. It got enough votes.

to be on the ballot and this is some law. that's under the guise of stop animal. cruelty. Well, who doesn't want to stop. animal cruelty? I certainly want to stop. animal cruelty. Let's stop animal. cruelty. So what does it mean? It means. no hunting, no fishing, no ranching, no. agriculture, no animals that get harmed in any way. No killing chickens for Kentucky fried. chicken, nothing. No animals die. And. it's a city or [ __ ] vote. Oregon is.

voting on this in November. [laughter]. >> No fishing. No fishing. What are you. saying? Are you [ __ ] high? >> And and no so. >> no hunting, no ranching. Ranching? You. can't ranch? You going to kill a cow? What? Are you crazy? That's illegal in. Oregon. >> And here's [laughter] that's probably. sounds like a good idea to one of those. people. And then but here's my question. All right, so let's do it. Let's just.

say let's just outlaw. ranching. Let's just say [ __ ] it. >> Well, there's 91 million cattle in the. country. So what do we do with them? You. just leave them alone. Let nature take. its course. >> Yeah, but but there's but they're not. but there's no there's no nature to take. its course. >> It's 91 million head of [ __ ] cattle. And I can promise you this. If you. outlaw me feeding them and taking care. of them, I'm not going to then they're. then they're wandering the highway. >> Yeah. And then the bulls are out.

>> Yeah. >> So you going to keep the bulls. contained? No. The bulls are going to. kill people. >> Yeah. And and make more cattle and. >> and make more cattle. >> Yeah. So now we have 900 million cattle. in three decades. >> Yeah. And [ __ ] all your fences. Bulls. are going to smash them. [laughter]. Bulls are going to eat your grass. Bills. are going to bulls are going to stomp. your dog. Like what are you talking. about? >> It's I [laughter] can't. >> But it's not supposed to be logical. It's all just a vibe, man. It's like and. it's not even a wellthoughtout one. But.

the problem is you don't have to be well. thought out to get on the ballot. You. just have to appeal to certain. sensibilities and then all a sudden. people are like, "Oh, that would be. good. Let's stop animal cruelty.". >> And they're probably on SSRIs anyway. >> It it'll it'll probably pass. >> Nah. N I don't think it'll pass. >> According to this New York Times. article, it was a guy one guy. >> one guy. >> got 135,000 signatures and got it passed. to that level. >> I wonder how many of them are homeless. people. Um, he moved to Portland from.

Denver from Southern California where. I'm trying to. >> do we have a photo of this dude? I want. to see what this guy looks like. >> Show him. But it's. >> Of course he's from Southern California. >> Of course he is. He's a vegan. Oh, that's weird. I would have never. guessed. >> Substitute teacher. >> Oh, substitute teacher. >> Keeps getting better. >> I lost it. >> What else? >> That's all it was saying. They didn't. frame him very well. >> Well, it shouldn't. It's a crazy idea. There you go. Mickelson. >> Yeah. >> Substitute teacher, vegan, and petitions.

organizer. >> It's to have a system where we're not. killing or hurting animals anymore. I. love how he said a system. What are you. talking about? What does that mean? What's a system? You're talking about. nature. What are you talking about? Like. they're going to kill each other, stupid. Like, [laughter]. what the [ __ ] are you talking about? Is. it somehow another less cruel with them. when a mountain lion gets into a pen of. sheep and tears them apart? >> Yeah. He figured the chance of meeting another. gay vegan were better in Portland. [laughter].

>> He's probably not wrong. >> Yeah, it's probably a good bet. >> Solid bet. >> Yeah. >> Jesus. >> He was sitting there going, "Midland, Texas, Portland, Oregon. Where am I? Where you got to go to Portland? >> Go to Portland and take some medication. Just [ __ ] have a good time." There he. is. >> There we go. >> Hey, fella. [laughter]. >> Oh, he's already gotten too much. attention from us. Yeah, it's uh there's. a lot of silly people in the world and. you know like we were talking about with. young people, if you get young people.

indoctrinated early enough to think. these silly ideas make sense, >> which is one of the reasons why I love. that Kevin Cosner moment on your show. when uh he had explained to that vegan. lady. >> Oh yeah, >> it's such a good moment. >> How cute does an animal have to be. before you care if it [ __ ] lives? >> Yeah. And what the actual like what life. gets killed when you're just talking. about farming just food. >> Plow in a field. >> Yeah. Just plowing a field or. >> or go or go build a road. >> You want to destroy some [ __ ].

organisms, go build a road. >> Yeah. And if you're riding on those. roads, >> you're in that system. And then there's. the bees. Like the amount of bees that. die every year so we could have avocados. is bananas. >> Yeah. bring them in from Brazil. >> by the billions. By the billions by the. bee and they die bees and then on top. the So it's avocados and almonds. Those. are the two big ones, right? >> Yeah. Almonds. You know what's. fascinating? And I'm going to We can. look it up.

Almonds. The amount. It's something like. 19 gallons of water is what you have to. give to get one almond. >> Is that real? Yeah. Yeah, we can we can. Yeah, it's [ __ ] bananas. >> My doctor told me almonds aren't even. good for you. >> Well, you know, it's. >> he said they're okay for you. He said, but you know, there's. >> there was a time in the Mediterranean. where they were they were poisonous. They have strict nine in them. And it's.

one of the first domesticated plants. And what people realized, whoever homo. sapiens or Neanderthalss, whoever's. wandering around, they're like, "The. squirrels are eating those poisonous. nuts from that tree." Huh? They're okay. from this one, not okay from that one. >> So they started cutting down and. uprooting all the ones where the. squirrels wouldn't eat. >> Oh, interesting. >> Yeah. And so that's so the almond. originally. >> This episode is brought to you by Wild. Pastures. Here's a deal, folks. Wild.

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writer, right? So words matter to me and. when we when we misuse them in our. society, it just bothers me, right? So. >> all these things that we're calling. milk, like almond almond milk, >> right? >> And I'm and I'm just determined to call. it almond juice because that's what it. [ __ ] is. It's not even almond juice. It's not like we're extracting. >> It's almond tea almost. We're we're. taking almonds, pulverizing them, and. brining them in water, >> essentially leeching out the flavor of. the almond, and then adding a bunch of. [ __ ] to it and sugar and whatever,

>> adding a lot of sugar. My friend Duncan. was like, "Dude, almond milk is good for. you." I go, "You look at how much sugar. is in there?" And we were on the phone. He goes, "Holy shit." I go, "Yeah, man. That's why it tastes good." [laughter]. But my doctor told me I had oxalates in. my diet, in my my blood test. He said, "Your oxalates are kind of high." He. goes, "Are you eating almonds?" And I. said, 'Yeah, I eat almonds all the. time.' He's like, "Yeah, cut back." He. goes, "That's where it's from.". >> Really? >> Yeah. See, find out how much how much. oxalates are in almonds. I just listen.

to them. And also, it's a lot of like um. a lot of that gluten-free flour stuff. >> If you buy a lot of that stuff, it's. like almond flour a lot of the times, >> right? >> Almonds are a high oxalate food. Eating. them can raise oxalate levels that. circulate, get filtered by the kidneys. and appear in urine, which may increase. kidney stone risk in susceptible people. Yeah, >> almonds contain about 296 milligs of. oxalate per 100 grams, roughly 4. milligrams per nut, putting them in the.

high oxilate category. Yeah. He said they're not bad if you. just have them every now and then. He. goes, but don't don't do it on a regular. basis. Huh. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff that is high. oxilates that people don't think about. it that can really [ __ ] you up. Kale, for instance, like I used to drink kale. smoothies all the time until another. doctor told me, "You really should cook. the kale. >> Cook it and then filter out whatever the. water's in it." And I go, "Really?" I. go, "Why?" He goes, "Oxalates." He goes,

"You want to cook the oxalates out of. them.". >> Really? >> Yeah. And that's apparently what causes. a lot of kidney stones with some folks. ly drink a lot of those green smoothies, which I used to do every day. I used to. take a bunch of kale, throw in a bunch. of apples and some ginger and some. garlic and blend it all up and drink at. the beginning of the day. I thought I. was doing a good thing. >> And he was like, "You're just blasting. your system with oxalates." And I was. like, "Oh, all right.". >> Yeah. >> Have some [ __ ] eggs, bro. >> He said, "Have bacon. Have some bacon.". I'm like, "Fucking bacon's better for. you?" Like that. My journey of figuring.

out what to eat was a long one. It was a. long one. And then thank god I got this. podcast because if I hadn't had all. those conversations with people where I. realized like oh so we're like and now. the food pyramid's completely flipped. which is hilarious. >> Yeah. >> But it's like I've had enough. conversations where I realize like oh. all these people don't know what the. [ __ ] they're talking about and they're. giving advice and it's weird. It's weird. how much bad advice there is for food. and for health and for. >> [ __ ] fill in the blank almost. everything in our society.

>> The food pyramid was created by Johnson. and Johnson. Yeah. Or Kelloggs, which is. like how do we get people to eat our. [ __ ] in the morning and then again at. lunch and then Well, the one thing that. we can't control and they talk about the. the one thing that we do not have is. this massive industrialized meat. production because there's no there's no. economical way to do it. They'd do it if. they could. Harris Ranch, which you. you've probably seen off I5 in uh in. California's the closest version of.

that. But what it is is a feed yard, right? Where you get them together and. feed cattle for 90 to 150 days before. you go send them off and slaughter them, right? That's the closest thing there is. to an industrialized beef industry. because it's an very inefficient way. It's way better to farm, right? It's. more efficient to farm than it is grace. cattle. So, you only want to graze. cattle somewhere that you can't farm. At. the end of the day, you want to graze.

cattle are great at taking protein from. poor protein sources and metabolizing. it, right? So, graze them in real rocky. terrain with native grasses that that. you can't farm. You can't till it just. can't. Um, and it needs to be eaten by. something or weeds will overtake it, right? Because grasses. >> grass grows better when it's being. grazed. Um, and so there's no way to. industrialize that or centralize it. the. most centralized it is is at the packing. house right where you've got four. packing major packing houses um that.

control 90 something% of the beef. industry and that's starting to change. co was extremely helpful for the smaller. farmer and rancher to sit there and get. their product out right and find small. they start popping up people have opened. these USDA facilities that that don't. process 800 head of cattle an hour they. maybe do 50 or 50 a. And now people can go there because. they're a USDA facility. They can buy.

beef directly from them. Buy it from the. rancher, right? And you can control. where your food's coming from as opposed. to what what was happening um where. you'd get a bunch of if you're going to. go get a burger, you're you're eating. some Australian killer bull, right, for. the most part or some something from. Brazil or you're not eating something. that you want to eat, right? Um, when. you go to a nice steakhouse, the the. stakes there are.

they're going to come from most likely. Texas, uh, Iowa, Nebraska, Montana. There's there's select areas where. people are spending that kind of. attention and time to raise that kind of. quality of beef, right? Um, and it's. being done by smaller ranchers. It may. be a big ranch, but it's still operated. by relatively few people. You know, 4. sixes is 300,000 acres, but there's 12. cowboys. >> Wow. 12 cowboys for 300,000 acres is. nuts.

>> Yeah. >> How do they keep track of everything? >> I mean, we break it down into pastures. and then you have uh and then the. pastures fall under the terminology is. this. say, "Oh, if you're in Guthrie, there's a there's a camp, and we we call. it South Camp, um because it's in the. south, and it's responsible for 50,000. acres, right? Which is broken down into. multiple pastures that are between 7 and. 10,000 acres. There's one big pastor in. that in that camp that's like 14,000.

acres." Um, and so then you have North. Camp, you have what we call then we have. camps around the town, little town of. Guthrie. So you break it down into the. responsibility of each cowboys somewhere. between 35 and 50,000 acres. [snorts]. Wow, that's a hell of a responsibility. >> Yeah, >> that's a lot of work, man. >> A lot of work. What's it, you know. what's really interesting about your. shows, particularly Yellowstone, it got. people like really attracted to the idea.

of brutal hard work as being romantic. >> Yeah. >> You know, people like really identified. with those guys on Yellowstone that were. just like so dedicated to that ranch, so. dedicated to busting their ass and. working all day hard [ __ ] work and. then just hanging out together. afterwards. And there's something about. that life that's so simplistic and. romantic to people that it just really. resonated with so many people. They. didn't even know that they liked that.

Well, it's it's uniquely American, right? And and the amount of freedom. that is. So, we move somebody out to. South Camp and we go, "Okay, so here you. are. There's your house at South Camp. See you in a week or so. [laughter]. Go figure [ __ ] out. keep track of the cattle and you give. them a string of horses and they work. their horses and they and they ride that. property. They know every inch of it and. you don't ever you don't we don't we. don't have weekly corporate meetings.

>> How do they get supplies? Is it is like. the house stocked in advance? >> Yeah. Go to town, you know, towns which. is an endeavor, right? Town's 90 miles. away. Um so you go to town once a week, right? Adventure, stock up, >> go back. >> Wow. >> Yeah. But it's it's. >> it's a crazy life. >> and people incorrect. Not every this. isn't true of every cowboy. There's. plenty of cowboys that typically they. grow up on that ranch and that's the. life that they know and that's what they. want to do, right? But they still go off.

to college. Like almost every one of my. cowboys has a ranch management degree. Like they went to school. >> Wow. >> To study. >> What's a good school if you want to be a. cowboy? >> I mean there's a quite a few of them. Texas Tech. [sighs] I mean, that's a. phenomenal ranch management program. A. bunch of the guys on the sixes went. there. TCU has a ranch management. program, a good one. Texas A&M. Um, you. know, we have a we have vets that live. on the ranch. Obviously, we breed a ton. of horses. Um, and so our vets, Colorado.

State's an excellent veterinary school. for large animal vets. Obviously, Texas. A&M is a phenomenal school. Texas Tech. as well. Those are. >> Dude, how the [ __ ] do you pay attention. to everything? You're running a gigantic. ranch and you have about 48 TV shows. [laughter]. How the [ __ ] do you do it? I don't. understand it. I Every time a new Taylor. Sheridan show pops up, I say to my wife, I go, "How the [ __ ] is he doing this?". Like, where does he have this time? Part. of it is, if you think about it, so my.

crew, my core crew is the same crew I. made Wind River with, like when we had. no money. I remember one time I'm on the. top of a mountain with me and my first. AD and my DP, uh, Ben Richardson, and. there's not a producer. We haven't seen. anybody in a week. And I looked at, we're freezing our asses off at 7 below. zero in northern Utah. And I'm like, guys, you know, we could just [ __ ] off. to Hawaii. Nobody would know for a. while. [laughter] Like, we have we have their we have their.

money. They don't know. They don't. actually know where we are. they're just. trusting that we're going to make this. movie, which we did. Um, and it was. incredibly difficult. But that's the. same team that went over and did. Yellowstone, which is then the same team. that went up and did Mayor of Kingtown. with me and then 1883, 23, Lionus, Land. Man, all of them. And we've promoted. from within. I've got PAs that are now. first ads. I've got uh camera operators. that are now directors. Um, so we've.

promoted from within so everyone. understands the way we do it and it's so. faking efficient. We don't ever have and. you know because you've been in this. industry forever. These people will have meetings upon. meeting upon meeting. They'll have a. they'll have a tone meeting where a. whole bunch of people are going to sit. around and try and talk about the tone. of the script. Wouldn't you read the. [ __ ] thing? [laughter]. You We have to have a meeting about it. How about we don't have a meeting about. it? And then they'll have a they'll have. a and this is also networks. They love.

this [ __ ] So that they can have a. reason for their existence, right? All. these middle management people. >> and they want to do a prop showand tell. where someone's going to come show them. all the props that we're going to use. >> Really? >> Well, we don't do that [ __ ] because I'm. like, I need your permission to use. which which Bick lighter I'm going to. use in this [ __ ] scene. How about I. just make the decision? [laughter]. And how about we use the same Bick. lighter in all these [ __ ] shows and I. don't ever have to pick a Bick lighter. again. How about that? So, we just. streamlined it and made it to where it's.

so efficient. Typically, a TV show will. start up and they'll prep for 12 weeks. before they start filming. We We do it. in four. Wow. Well, that makes sense. It makes. sense that it's streamlined because I've. been on shows when they first start out. and it's chaos and there's a lot of. network involvement and there's a lot of. [ __ ] but then once it gets going, they go, "Oh, you guys know what you're. doing.". >> Yeah. >> Leave me alone. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We're there from the beginning now. >> That's beautiful. >> We haven't missed if you don't miss, >> right? Well, it's like you don't miss.

like you don't miss with the writing. You don't miss with the story lines. Like you don't have any duds, man. Which. is incred This is incredible. It's an. incredible accomplishment to to have. that many [ __ ] shows and all of them. be good and all of them be, you know, like very addictive. You know, Land Man. is so addictive. [laughter]. >> It's it's that show. It's about. something very serious and then I can. just throw [ __ ] at it. >> Yeah. Let's just take a bunch of old. people to a strip club. >> Billy Bob is [ __ ] awesome. >> He's a genius. >> I love that guy. He's so good on that.

show. It's like it was made for him. >> It was made for him. >> I mean, he's done so many things. I went. to Billy Bob before I uh before I wrote. a word and I told him I said if you. don't do this I'm not going to do it. because I'm not going to chase my tail. >> He goes what is it? I said I want to do. I said basically I want to take your. character from Bad Santa and put him in. West Texas and run an oil company. >> He goes, "You want the guy from Bad. Santa to run the oil company?" I said, "That's what I want." He goes, "That. sounds [ __ ] awesome." [laughter]. Yeah. >> Well, it's [snorts] it's educational,

too. I mean, a lot of people like have. no idea how the oil business works. And. you you watch that show, you go, "Jesus. Christ, what a crazy job." It's an. insane job. And and and the other thing. about it is. we're so completely dependent upon. petroleum in every single aspect of our. lives. So completely dependent upon it. And we can debate how bad it is or isn't. and and and or not debate it. The. reality is we don't have an alternative. Like it does not exist. It simply.

doesn't exist. And we could sit there. and say, "Well, wind and this." No. You. sit down with any climatologist and any. engineer, they're going to tell you, "Our best hope for a replacement of. petroleum fuels is cold fusion." And. we're 30, 40 years from it, being. something that we can rely upon. >> and reduce little nuclear reactors, like. itty bitties, like. >> the size of this coffee pot. >> That's what they're talking about. They're talking about like individual. reactors that people have in their. homes. Like, how long does it take.

before there's disasters? [laughter] Like, that sounds [ __ ]. Having a really good nuclear power plant. for a city is an awesome idea. Having. everyone have their own nuclear power. plant sounds [ __ ] crazy. >> You know, >> how many [ __ ] are going to cut into. that thing? >> Well, people still put [ __ ] metal in. microwaves, so I don't think we should. be giving. >> I've done it. I'm like, well, how bad. can it really be? >> There's people [snorts] that leave their. [ __ ] gas on so that someone can die. in the house. No, we don't. >> People are nuts.

>> People are nuts. If you literally have. consumer level nuclear power plants, >> not with these monkeys. That's what Not. with the human beings that we are today, our our current form. We're not. enlightened enough to have [laughter]. personal nuclear power plants in our. house. >> Oh, [ __ ]. >> Yeah. So, we're we're we're dependent. upon it. Um, >> that's why we're in Iran right now. >> Also because of Israel. But I mean we're. we're in Iran. I mean the whole thing. about it is the oil the straight of.

Hormuz. It's like I think it's 40% of. the world's oil supply passes through. there. >> Yeah. >> Like Christ. >> No. That's And and and I think also. China. >> Mhm. >> It's a big play against It's a chess. piece against China. >> Mhm. >> That's what I think. >> Yeah. All of it's [ __ ] terrifying. >> What uh And I'm not saying we should. have or we shouldn't have. I'm not. commenting politically, but. what those guys, those SF guys did in.

Venezuela was [ __ ] gangster. >> It's crazy. >> Whether I'm not saying they should or. shouldn't. I'm just saying, >> right? >> The team was sent and and the team. [laughter] I mean, can you imagine if I. wrote it in a movie, people would go, "That's [ __ ] ridiculous, Taylor.". >> Right? We don't have fly a bunch of SF. dudes, drop them off on the roof of this. high-rise surrounded by the [ __ ]. Cuban special forces and they're going. to kill all of them. And then they're. going to [ __ ] snatch him and his. wife, go back to the roof, and just.

[ __ ] fly away. [laughter] That's what. they did. >> And they're going to do it with sound. They're going to disable everyone with a. sound weapon. Like what? >> Like there was Do you remember when they. first started talking about that Havana. syndrome and people were dismissing it? This is horshit. This is [ __ ] Like, no. They're talking about people that. are in Havana that they've been. targeted. Something zapped them. >> Lowle frequencies that made them. nauseous. Yeah. >> Yeah. And I think that is a fraction of. whatever they unleashed in Venezuela. >> Who knows? >> The discombobulator, that's what it's.

called, classified secret weapon system. President Donald Trump claimed US forces. used during the January 3rd operation to. capture Venezuelan President Nicholas. Maduro. He stated that the weapon. successfully disabled enemy equipment. and air defenses, preventing them from. firing back. So, it's it's both it. disables the people and it disables. their weapon system. What? That's amazing. What the [ __ ] are. we doing? Official silence. When asked. for specific technical or operational.

details about how the device functions, Trump famously told New York Post, "I'm. not allowed to talk about it.". They He says, "They press buttons. They. claimed the defense forces pressed. buttons and nothing worked, disabling. both Russian and Chinese-made rockets. and radar. If we affected both mechanical equipment. and personnel, he also referred to it at. He also referred to a sonic weapon being. used against Maduro's Cuban security. detail inside a heavily fortified.

fortress. [ __ ] a man. >> I would love to see what that looks. like, you know? I bet they have video, too. How about these guys? Sure. >> Yeah. >> All wearing GoPros. >> I'd love to go into a skiff. Just show. me the video. I won't say nothing. I. want to see what it looks like. I just. want to watch what does it look like. when somebody gets zapped by sound and. gets fully disabled. Like apparently. they just fell to the ground in agony. They couldn't move. >> Yeah. >> And they just went in and shot. everybody. >> Some freaking SF snipers are just. freaking on top of that just raining.

down on them. It's. >> crazy. Like that guy thought he was. safe. Crazy. And there's a famous video. of him saying, "Come and get me.". >> Oh yeah, >> bro. >> Yeah. Be careful. Don't what bear you. poke. >> Yeah. Also, it's like we none of us know. what the tip of the spear technology and. weapon systems is available right now. We don't know. They don't tell us. They. don't tell us. Obviously, no one knew. that this [ __ ] discombobulator thing. existed. >> This is science fiction. >> Yeah. >> Right. If this was 20 years ago, you'd.

be like, "That's not a real thing.". >> But now you're like, "Oh [ __ ] they used. it. It's not not just a concept. They. [ __ ] used it. What else? What are. they what are they cooking out in the. desert in the middle of Nevada? Who. knows? >> Yeah. And think about this. For that to. be used, there's something four. generations past that. >> 100%. >> that they're playing with now. >> Yeah. 100%. You know, this whole UAP. world stuff like when they start talking. about UAPs, all of my [ __ ] alarms go. off. All of them. It's like I don't.

believe if you knew things you would. tell us. So, I don't believe you're. telling us the truth. I think they have. some special access programs that. they've been working on for decades and. decades and some super highlevel [ __ ]. that involves some sort of novel. propulsion system and they have that. stuff flying around in the sky. And I. think that's what a lot of people are. saying. That's what a lot of people are. saying. That doesn't discount the idea. that there's something else out there.

because I think there is. But I think. there's a giant chunk of the [ __ ] that. people are seeing that's ours. >> Yeah. Testing. >> Yeah. Testing. Doing stuff with it. >> If there was an intelligent life form. that had stumbled upon our barbaric. asses, why would they not go, "Hey guys, fire up that [ __ ] missile and take we. found this blue planet. We got to get. rid of this thing.". >> Well, I think maybe every intelligent. species that's tribal and territorial. has to go through an adolescent period. of their evolution. And if you look at.

human history, you know, I was reading. about Vlad the Impaler last night. Jesus. Christ. And how how many of the Ottoman. Turks that got killed and his famous. methods of putting people on posts and. separating them down the line on the. road so that as these poor guys are. traveling to go and fight him, they just. see the enemy stuck on skewers and in. geometric patterns and [ __ ] He would do. them in like stars and stuff. Just he. was a vicious [ __ ] and he's the.

the motivation behind or the, you know, the inspiration behind Dracula. >> And I was reading about that guy. I'm. like, [ __ ] People have always been. awful. They've always been awful, but. they just like as time goes on, they get. a little less awful. A little less. Like. we're a little less awful now than we. were during Nazi Germany. Not totally. great. >> Not collectively. Certain. >> We're still willing to do genocide. Some. of us are, but it's less less approved.

It's less. more people are horrified at it. It's. like human beings are getting a little. bit better. It's it's not as quick as. we'd like. And I think if I was an alien. life form, I would say you have to wait. this out. It's like if you have a kid, you got to let the kid fall down and. stumb stumble. You got to let him get. hurt. You got to let things happen. You. got to let him [ __ ] up and figure it out. himself. You got to figure this out. Make it right. You [ __ ] this up. You. got to give them a chance to become. better, >> right? >> I think as a civilization, I would think. the same thing would apply. You have to.

give this civilization time to evolve. and adapt and get past where it's at. right now. And I don't think that you do. that by intervening and like grabbing us. by the hand and showing us the way. I. think what you do is you hang back and. make sure that we don't nuke each other. and just sort of pay attention to all. the different international ongoings and. just let human beings slowly but surely. evolve. >> Yeah, >> that's what I would do if I was a.

intelligent life form observing people. The interesting thing that we're as a. civilization facing now and and it's. always happened in some capacity when a. society gets. wealthy, really wealthy, and people. start to question wealth and how can we. be more equitable and and it comes. across like compassion, but it really. comes down to a debate of what is more. valuable to a society. Is. self-determination more valuable or is. equity more valuable? And by equity,

what I mean is everyone gets exactly the. same [ __ ] Everyone. So you take them. off of We're not on a monetary society. anymore. Now you're working for the. collective. And you're hearing that word. thrown around a lot, >> right, >> these days. The problem with working for. the collective is um who decides who. picks up the trash and who decides who. gets to. go represent your nation at the. Olympics? who gets to decide who gets to. um is someone going to let me go make TV.

shows, which by the way I wouldn't do. for free. It's too [ __ ] hard, >> right? >> Um so now I don't want to do it. >> Well then you got to go do do this. Well, I don't want to do that either. >> And that's the problem. >> And then they force you to do things. And then how do they do that? They do. that with guns. >> Yeah. So then so so the you either have. self-determination or in your attempt to. be collective you have to surrender that. and then you're surrendering it to who. and and now you have a dictatorship no.

matter what the [ __ ] you thought you. had. >> Yeah. >> It always comes back to that. It always. you can you can look at. >> Marxism and Leninism and what Linen was. talking about his hopes whether they. were his hopes or not. Um but it it. devolved into uh an authoritarian regime. very very quickly and and you know. communism, socialism, fascism, uh. Nazism, they're all very very similar. The differences are superficial. I think.

Ann Ran said that they're just. superficial variations between the exact. same thing which is the evil of the. collective. >> The evil of the collective and human. beings desire to control their people. >> Yeah. They love to they and and anytime. you give them a chance where they could. feel righteous about controlling people, they jump at it and they can they have. an opportunity to classify people. There's good people and bad people. And. the bad people, you can do whatever you. want to them. They're the other. And. that that happens with every every time.

groups get into power like that and tell. you what you can and can't do. And. you're seeing that being embraced. shockingly more and more all over the. world. people are embracing more. government power and more government. control and it's really crazy. It's. really crazy to see. >> It's unique. I think that. number one I think in 30 years when they. look back like we are still suffering. from a society. uh from COVID like still and and not so.

much from the disease itself but from. our faith in the institutions around us. whether it's government whether it's the. media whether it's pharmaceutical. companies um and. the the way that it was manipulated to. gain power for a political group and it. was effective and so when something's. effective then people just keep doing. the same thing until it's no longer.

effective right um we did that in our. military with the wind's hearts and. minds right so that was all that all. comes from Japan right we're going to. win the hearts and minds of Japanese. well the Japanese surrendered like their. emperor who they looked at as a god. He told the people of Japan after we. dropped two freaking nuclear bombs on. them, hey, we are going to endure the. unendurable. We are going to surrender. It's the only way that we can salvage. our nation. So, they willfully. surrendered. And then our government.

goes, "Look how great this hearts and. mind stuff's working. It's not working. It's not working at all." And then they. tried it in Vietnam, didn't work. Tried. it everywhere else that we've had a. conflict. We've tried it and it hasn't. worked yet because what it was based on. was flawed, right? Because they they. chose to be subjugated at that time and. and making that choice kept them an. independent nation. So our our our [clears throat]. government our and it's so dangerous.

what we're seeing. Um you can like Trump. or not like Trump. It doesn't. people are going to like presidents and. dislike presidents. But. now it defying the rule of law because. he happens to be the head of the federal. government and openly defying the. federal government. The repercussions of. that are going to be, okay, fine. You. you can't stand this man. You think he's. a terrible president and you're not. going to follow his laws. But that's the.

new normal now. So when a president gets. in that you do support, then the other. side because we've established this. precedent, they're just not going to. follow his laws either, >> right? >> And now we've eroded the rule of law. And yeah, and then then what happens? >> The slippery slope is very dangerous. >> It's I mean, I was saying that when the. ICE raids were going on cuz I was like, okay, I am not in favor of illegal. criminals being in this country. However, we're setting a very alarming.

precedent where you have masked. militarized police with no ID that are. running around the cities snatching. people up like this. This could set a. precedent that could be used by the left. if they get into power for something. different than this being than just for. ICE. We've already accepted the idea of. militarized police on our streets and. that people with seven weeks training, you're just sending them out to snatch. up people and a lot of American citizens.

are getting caught up in that trap too. unfortunately and then they have to get. released. Like that that could be bad if. if the next party gets in. So if the. Democrats get in next and they decide. like maybe there's a new vac a new COVID. strain happens, some new pandemic. happens, whatever the [ __ ]. >> and if you don't get the vaccine, they're going to arrest you and then. they start the same. >> Yes, we saw it in I think it was. Minnesota or whoever they had the.

National Guard on the streets, but they. had people enforcing lockdowns and so. they had people walking down the streets. with [ __ ] guns, yelling at people to. get in your house over a cold. >> like this. these kind of slippery. slopes. You might think, "No, we're just. trying to get rid of the bad. immigrants." I get it. I'm with you. I. agree. However, the way they're doing. it, doing it, and I don't know, I'm not. even saying there's another way or a. better way. I'm just saying you want to. get them out all at once, yeah, that's.

the way to do it. You want to get them. out quick, that's the way to do it. because they got them in quick. You're. right. They opened the [ __ ] border. They helped people get in. But now that. they're in the if you're going to get. them out that way, you're setting a. weird precedent, you're setting a. precedent that could be used in other. ways. >> Yeah. That's the the the challenge is, okay, we're going to we need to enforce the. law, right? Or don't have them, right? They've they've enacted no new laws. These are the same immigration laws that. were on the books when Obama was.

president and Clinton was president. The. same the same rules. It's the It's the. methodology and and uh yeah, you gotta. you got to sit there and weigh the pros. and cons about okay the pros of trying. to eradicate this issue. You can't give. it a deadline. >> Yeah. >> Right. Um. >> it's slippery. It is slippery and and. again it's what's good for the goose is. good for the gander and and these. politicians right now who are doing all. of us a tremendous disservice in.

Washington. I feel our elected officials. um because they're they're not thinking. beyond this next election and maybe they. never have. >> They never have. >> Right. But they were better at hiding. it. Maybe. >> I think there was no internet. >> but well true. >> I think that's what it is. There was no. social media. >> But I think we've reached a point as. they as they as politicians talk about. eliminating the electoral college. They. talk about eliminating the filibuster, eliminate packing courts, all these. things because their side's not in.

power. And so we're just going to take. the structure of the government and. totally rework it to benefit us. temporarily, but then those same. benefits that you have now will be used. against you. >> They will 100% be used against you. I. think the most important legislation. that we can pass right now is term. limits. >> I think I think 12 years tops in. Congress and I think probably 12 years. in the Senate. Two six-year terms in the. Senate. >> That's more than enough time. That's a.

lot of [ __ ] time. >> That's enough. We don't We don't need. any anyone else. I mean, I don't know. how it's become. >> How the [ __ ] is Nancy Pelosi worth $400. million? >> How the [ __ ] Well, I know how. Yeah. She gets in on all these [ __ ] IPOs. >> Exactly. >> Right. She's going to pass the. legislation that allows Visa to go. public and then she's going to get a big. chunk of it and then when she's. confronted about it, look a reporter. dead in the eye and [ __ ] lie to him. >> I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't do that. It's public. We know. you did it. We could look at how much. stock you own. >> Yeah.

>> [ __ ] liar. >> They all do it. >> Yes. They get. >> People are calling out Roana on Twitter. today. >> [ __ ] rich. Everyone's getting rich. >> They get paid 175 grand a year and. they're all [ __ ] millionaires. >> Super millionaires. They're all like. like she's intensely wealthy. That's. that's a that's a almost a half a. billion dollars. That's nuts. As a. public servant, that's nuts. >> Yeah. It's it's insanity. >> And it's um you know, that's what we're. used to. We're just we we just we know. it's bad and we just accept it and. people are busy and they have families.

and mortgages and [ __ ] to deal with and. so they complain and they keep on. trucking. >> Yeah. I mean I have as we discussed I. have other jobs. I don't have a pile of. time to dedicate to gets tough for me to. talk politics because I don't have hours. in my day to sift through what's real. and not real on Instagram or social. whatever. I'm not on that [ __ ]. But I can't. It's hard to form an. opinion because man, I don't know and I. don't know where to go to get honest. news. I'm not the news. I know that. I. can't turn on the [ __ ] news cuz they.

[ __ ] been lying to us. They they stopped being I don't know if. they were ever impartial. I But but I. know I know that. Um I remember there. was a guy I was a kid. He was running. for president. His name was Jack Kemp. >> I remember Jack Kemp. >> And I want to say it was Dan Rather. It. may not have been. It may have been some. other newscaster. And there's a debate. amongst all these different potential.

candidates for president. And. as he's introducing all of these various. politicians, he's saying so and so. Harvard graduate and law professor from. here and this former senator and this. and that and the other and this person. here. And they get to Jack Kemp and he. goes, "Backup quarterback and born again. Christian Jack Kemp." I'm like, "Wow, you just sunk that dude. [laughter]. Everyone else you gave what their jobs. were and and talked about their. accomplishments and this. You just said.

he didn't start at quarterback and he's. you called that his religion, dude." And. that's the first time I ever remember. I'm like, "I know your opinion. I'm not. supposed to know your opinion. You're. supposed to be you're supposed to be. giving me news, >> right? You're supposed to be giving me. honest, unbiased information so I can. make a decision and you're making a. decision for me or trying to. >> Yeah. >> And they've gotten so as news became. entertainment. I mean, CNN's the worst. thing that ever happened to news because. it's 24 hours and now all of a sudden. >> there's not 24 hours worth of news all.

the time, right? There is during a war, right? You can show us news, you know, war footage the whole time and talk. about the war and why war and why no. war, but when there's not, you got to. make some [ __ ] up or push an opinion. And that's where we've gotten with news. now. Now it's news is piss them off and. scare the [ __ ] out of them. >> Yeah. >> That's how we keep them watching. >> And that's the business model. >> It is now. >> And it's also piss them off and scare. the [ __ ] out of them, but ignore certain. things that your sponsors wouldn't like.

you to talk about. >> Oh yeah. This is why you know Tulsi. Gabbard and in her final act as um. director of national intelligence as. she's leaving she had that she gave that. press conference about Fouchy. >> and she talked about how he lied in. front of Congress and that he absolutely. used American tax funds to fund gain of. function research through Ecoalth. Alliance and through the Wuhan lab and. Wuhan China and you know no one's. covering it. This episode is brought to.

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parents didn't. People that just like. just read the newspapers and watch TV, they don't know. >> I I've never seen anything as. flagrantly obvious as as CO coming from. the Wuhan lab studying COVID. >> Right. >> Right. I've never And you've got [ __ ]. news anchors keeping a straight face. saying it came from the wet market. Did. you ever see John Stewart's bid on it. that he did on the Cobar show? No. You. never saw it? No. Oh, we we need to play.

it. Let's play it because it's so funny. because Colbert tries to like stop him. from doing it and push back and John, he's a great comic. He just gets up from. his chair and gets louder and just plows. through it. >> over Cobar's like trying to [ __ ] block. his bit. He's like it's like it's a. funny bit and he's getting in the way. I'd like to see if you have information. on that. I'd like to see it. And he just. keeps going. He keeps plowing away. It's. very funny and it's in the middle of it, right? He was a This was a courageous. step because he was doing this when.

calling it out and saying that it came. from a lab in Wuhan, China was somehow. or another conflated with racism. Remember that? Like if you said it came. from Wuhan, China from a lab, you're. racist. Like how did you pull that off? Like how it's [laughter] like no one's. saying anything. It's racist. It's like. it's from [ __ ] China and it seems. like Eco Health Alliance funded it and. it seems like we funded Eco Health. Alliance. There's a lot of [ __ ]. paperwork. >> and and by the way, there's studies on.

the [ __ ] disease. Yeah. >> That they've been doing that are posted. on the CDC website. >> They're posted on the [ __ ] my. favorite was when you catch all this. [ __ ] about Ivormectin. Yeah. And and. literally when when that happened, I. went I [ __ ] look that up. look up. ivormectin and studies with ivormectin. and a study pops up on the on the CDC. website while people are telling us to. not take that [ __ ]. >> and it and it talks about the efficacy. of ivormectin anti and antiviral. properties specifically co 19. Yeah. So.

it's on the government website that the. [ __ ] drug works. >> while they're telling everyone to not. take it. >> and they're mocking me for taking horse. dewormer. Watch this. This is great. This is great. >> No, you you stop because he still wants. to put out that establishment position. I'd like to see any evidence if you've. got any evidence. [sighs]. >> Yeah. Well, wild times in the news.

because I think from then on that sort. of sent a shock wave through the. majority of the population where it just. whatever trust they had in the news just. got. >> severely eroded. Yeah. And if we don't. have good news, if we don't have trust. in the news, then we're kind of a drift. And then you get locked into [ __ ]. conspiracy theories and eco chambers. online and you can get trapped in them, too. And that's not good either. >> Yeah. Then then there's nowhere to go. get information. >> Has anybody in NBC, CBS, CNN, have any.

of those people picked up on that Tulsi. Gabbard speech about. Fouchy and had any sort of a reaction to. it? I'd like to know that because from what. I was reading online, no, none of them. had. But this was as of yesterday. I. don't know whether or not that's. changed. I don't know if like they were. preparing an article and they wanted to. make sure that they got all their ducks. in a row. I would think pretty much anytime.

the head of an institute. is begging. for a pardon when he hasn't been charged. with any crime is is pretty good. indicator you might want to look and see. if there's been a crime committed. >> Was he begging for a pardon? I mean, he. got. >> Yeah. Fouchy Fouchy was like he had he. had attorneys this is in part of that. deal. He had attorneys. >> reaching out to Biden's camp the last. day when he got the pardon. Gez, the. very last day. >> Geez, >> it's just a preemptive pardon is nuts.

Especially when when Rand Paul's. questioning him and he's talking to him. about specifically about what what. defines gain of function research. And. by all account, by every definition, it's gain of function research. And. Fouchi is still saying, "You do not know. what you are talking about." With all. due respect, >> even though Even though he's a doctor. >> Yeah. Grandpa's a [ __ ] doctor and an. actual doctor. And then they say, "Well, you're an eye doctor." Well, that's my. specialty. But before I became an eye.

doctor, I became a general doctor, which. means I studied all the same [ __ ] that. Fouchy studied. Yeah. >> You had to go through medical school. before you go pick a specialty. So, four. years of studying the entire body before. you specialize in whatever you're going. to specialize in. >> Well, it's also then if you read RFK. Jr.'s book, The Real Anthony Fouchy. You. find out he ran this exact same playbook. during the AIDS pandemic. >> Was the exact same playbook. That's what. the Dallas Buyers Club is about. The. Dallas Buyers Club, that McConnA movie.

about AIDS. The [ __ ] villain is. Anthony Fouchy. He's the guy that's. stopping them from getting alternative. medications. That's the guy that wanted. everybody to take ACT. You know why? Because ACT had already been approved. They had already used it as a cancer. medication. It was a chemotherapy. medication that they stopped using. because it was too deadly. It was. killing people quicker than cancer was. killing them. So the first medication. they gave people when they had an immune. system that was compromised was a. chemotherapy medication that was killing. people. And they were giving it to.

people that were asymptomatic. They were. giving giving it to people that tested. HIV positive. And then you know about. the PCR testing. So, the PTR says, Carrie Mullis, the guy who invented PCR. testing, said publicly about Fouchy does. not know what the [ __ ] he's talking. about. I don't think he said [ __ ] but. he does not know what he's talking. about. And that it's not supposed to be. used to detect a disease in a person's. body. And that if you ramp up the cycles. long enough, just like they did with. COVID, where we got some by some. estimations 80% false positives because.

of the PCR method because they were. ramping them up so high and so they cut. it back quite significantly and that. reduced the amount of false positives. they had. But there's a lot of people. that got tested as HIV positive that. probably weren't and they put those. [ __ ] people on ACT and ACT kills you. >> Wow. Yeah, nuts. Most mainstream outlets are. treating it as a serious but unproven. political bombshell. They're reporting.

that Gabbard alleges what Gabbard. alleges, stressing the documents are. disputed and under review and. highlighting how polarized the reaction. is. Mainstream print Jerusalem Post Money. Control Newsweek summarized her. accusations, emphasized that CO's. origins remain unresolved and note that. the claims about Fouchi sparking COVID. or lying under oath are heavily. contested, not yet legally validated. Many stories frame this as reigniting a.

longunning fight over lab leak versus. natural origin. Listen, that fight is. over, kids. That fight's over. this. If. you're saying if you are in the news and. you are saying that there's still a long. running controversy as to whether it's a. lab leak or natural origin, shut your. [ __ ] dirty [ __ ] mouth because it's. not. There's the fight's over. It's a. [ __ ] lab leak. They say the new. documents will need independent scrutiny. from Congress, investigators, and.

scientists before any firm conclusions. can be drawn. Okay. Right- leaning media highlight her file. dump as vindication for critics, focus. on the coverup narrative, and give. prominent space to Republicans like Ran. Paul. Why does it more centrist or. mainstream outlets present it as a. straighter news tone, often pairing. Gabbards and GOP's quotes with Fouch's. past denials, and nothing? There is so. far no judicial finding, a perjury, or. criminal conduct.

>> What I've never understood is how this. became a left or right issue. >> So stupid. when when Fouchy, who's a a. career bureaucrat, >> right, through I mean, when all this. started, there was a Republican. president. Yep. >> Right. And then he's he's served that. Republican president. He served the. Democratic president before that and. before that and then he served a. Republican. I mean, he's been there for. [ __ ] 50 years. >> Yeah. >> It's been there. >> This dude, it's not political. >> It It shouldn't be political. There.

shouldn't be a right left side of this. It's, hey, a career bureaucrat [ __ ]. lied to us. >> He used the exact same language when he. was talking about ACT as a medication. for HIV that he used for the COVID. vaccine. The reason why it's the only. medication is because it is both safe. and effective. [snorts]. Guy's a monster. >> Yeah. So lit like he's one of those guys. like throughout history where you're. going to look back over time and you go, "Holy [ __ ] this one guy's lies, this.

one guy's aspirations, this one guy's. career [ __ ] so many people over.". >> Yeah. And I don't and I don't understand. why Democrats would want to fall on that. sword with there's no reason to align. >> because people are stupid and they just. decide that because a Republican's a. president and the anything the. Republicans are pushing has to be bad. And that that stupid [ __ ] division. It's so it's so silly. It's so silly. It. really is because the same people during.

Trump's presidency were openly saying, "Are you going to trust a vaccine that's. created under Trump?" They were all. saying it. >> Kla Harris said it. A bunch of Joy Reid. said they all said it. >> and and then they then they bet their. entire political livelihoods on it. [laughter]. >> We deserve better. We really do. Or we. don't. Maybe we don't. We [ __ ] think. they're good. I We're so silly. Such a. [ __ ] silly group of human beings we. are.

>> That's [ __ ] wild, man. >> Not all of us though, you know. I think. less of us now. I think um it's it's. going to be way harder to divide people. the way they divided everybody in 2020. It'll be way harder now. I think most. people are just not buying it. And as. long as people wake up to this left. versus right nonsense is really just a. big [ __ ] hustle to keep you fighting. with each other. >> Oh, most of it. >> Oh, for sure. >> Most of it. Even the ICE stuff that we. were talking about. Hey folks, do you. think it's a coincidence that the. biggest [ __ ] ICE protests were all.

going on in the same place where they. found all that fraud? Do you ever occur. to you? It occurred to you that these. organized massive protests were all. occurring in the same place where that. Nick Shirley cat found [ __ ] billions. of dollars in fraud. >> Yeah. >> Shocker. Kind of crazy. Didn't they pass. Didn't California pass a law. >> a Nick Shirley law. >> to prevent that that specifically that. guy from [ __ ] poking around in.

California? >> Yes. Yes. I mean they've even referred. to it as the Nick Shirley law. The idea. is to keep people from investigating. fraud, which is outlandish. That is. outrageous. That is a crazy thing to. emphasize. And the thing is, well, you. these people are showing up at daycarees. and looking in. Right. They shouldn't. You're right. I 100% and people random. people from the internet should not be. showing up at daycarees with cameras. I. agree. However, when there's no one in that daycare for.

years and years and years and they can. prove that [ __ ] millions of dollars. are being earned by that daycare and. there's no one in there, it gets a. little weird. >> Isn't there a Isn't there. >> It's not fully passed into law. Not yet. Isn't there a video of that kid like. walking up to one of these and these. dudes get out and like drive off in. their [ __ ] Bentleys? >> I don't know if those are real. There's. a bunch of fake videos that were made by. people afterwards that were just. capitalizing on people wanting to click.

on something like that. And so they were. just engagement farming by pretending. like the guy would show up and they'd. go, "What? What are you talking about? I. don't I have no idea what this bad. acting." And they get in a Rolls-Royce. like. >> it's just [ __ ] It seemed like. [ __ ] to me. I I mean, I'm sure a. bunch of those guys made a bunch of. money and I'm sure there is a lot of. fraud. It just like they're admitting. it. Minnesota's admitting it. They knew. it was going on forever, you know. And. then how about the fact that there's. certain politicians that voted uh.

against this idea. So, one of those. ladies that was killed, like there was a. lady and her husband that were murdered. in Minnesota and she was one of the few. people that voted against providing. Medicare for illegals. They were trying. to they were trying to pass some bill. involving Medicare and illegals and she. was one of the ones that voted against. it and she was killed. The guy who. killed her said that Tim Waltz sent him.

to kill them. Now, I don't know if he's. full of [ __ ] He easily could be. He's a. [ __ ] crazy person. He's a murderer. He showed up at their house with a mask. on and [ __ ] shot them dead and shot a. couple other people, too. >> It's like he's, you know, obviously he's. [ __ ] cracked out. But kind of weird. kind of weird that the lady who wants to. vote against this obvious fraud, this. money that's being somehow another. funneled around through Medicare, like.

one of the things that Elon said when he. was on the podcast is that Medicaid and. Medicare fraud is one of the biggest. [ __ ] problems. And he was looking. into with Doge. He goes, "I almost don't. want to talk about it because I don't. want to get killed." He goes, "It's that. bad.". And this was before all this Nick. Shirley [ __ ] And now you're seeing it. and you're like, "Oh, now I get it.". These hospices that they have, these. fake hospices in California, and then. these all the Somali daycare centers and. all the different things. Like, these. people are just make autism, the autism.

diagnosises went through the [ __ ]. roof because now they could have these. autism centers so they just diagnose. their kids as autistic and then they're. raking in all this money for treatment. It's crazy how much fraud there is. >> Hundreds of billions. >> Hundreds of billions of dollars. And. just what a shocker that that's the. place where the big ICE protest broke. out. >> Oh, >> people forget that when Obama was. president, he made a big public. statement about going after government. fraud. They were aware of it then. I. mean, they've been aware of it for it's.

always taken place, but on the scale and. and he tried and he caught resistance to. the point that he wasn't able to do his. version of a Doge, >> right, >> which was which was his intention. He. gave a big public speech about it and. and tried to look into it and he's. if you're stealing hundreds of billions. of dollars, hundreds of billions of. dollars, what wouldn't you do to protect. that? >> Exactly. And that was Elon's point. >> Yeah.

>> And also that money for sure makes its. way into Democratic coffers and probably. Republican too. And who whoever the [ __ ]. is going to be. >> whoever's whoever's enabling the fry. >> Who's ever going to who's ever going to. help out? Whoever wants a piece of this. pie is a juicy ass pie. It's a hundred. billion dollar pie. Come get something. >> That'll almost bill you a rail system in. California. [laughter] You can get a. mile of track. >> or a second Google bridge. >> [ __ ] car salesman. Have you had that. guy on? >> No. No. He wants to be on. I'm sure. >> he talks a lot of [ __ ] about me. At.

first he was saying Joe Rogan is not a. fan of me, but I'm a big fan of him. He. was like saying all this. >> Doesn't he have his own podcast? Yeah, >> because that city, that state is running. so well. He the governor doesn't need a. lot of free time. It's so smooth. If you. ask him, he'll tell you. He'll tell you. how awesome this stats the stats are. >> Statistically, people are moving there. in record [snorts] numbers. >> Yeah, that's not true. It's not true. It's um it's uh the all the stats, the. positive stats, they were already going. on before he was the governor. It's it's. California is an awesome place. The. [ __ ] weather's perfect. San Francisco.

has always been an incredible tech hub. of geniuses. There's always been a bunch. of super wizards up there that are. creating some of the best technology in. the world. And that has nothing to do. with him. Has zero to do with him and. all these problems that their inept. government has caused because that's the. real problem with him as a governor. It's a real problem with Karen Bass as a. mayor. It's a real problem with whatever. the [ __ ] happened to San Francisco. It's. bad government. It's not upholding the.

rule of the law, not keeping people. safe, being empathetic to people that. are shooting up on the street over. people that are trying to walk their. [ __ ] kids to school. >> Yeah. >> Like what you're doing is bad for. society. It's bad. And and it seems to. me. that for the most part, for the most. part, if you are the mayor of a city, and and when I was writing Yellowstone, the the governor of Montana at the time, who was a Democrat, I I called him and. asked him uh I said, "Hey guys, talk to.

you about what it's like to be a. governor. Like, what did you think it. would be and what did it turn out to. be?" And and what he said was, um, Steve. Bulock is his name. Uh he said well I. thought I was going to you know make all. these changes and do this and shepherd. this and I learned that I am the CEO of. a state and that my job as the CEO of. the state is take care of the people who. live in the state the employees of the. state attract business here attract.

tourism here and try to make the state. make more money and make lives better. That's my job. Infrastructure and city. management and people management and. tourism. That's my job. And to a even. more acutely to a mayor, you're really. the president of a city. You're the CEO. of the city. And your job is keep the. lights on, pick up the trash, put out. the fires, deal with the sewage, keep it.

safe. Like that's it. There's no social. anything secondarily possibly. but run. the schools, like run the city. And and. you have in a lot of these big urban. areas where they're so agenda driven and. they're they're pushing a social agenda. and they're not running the cities. They're not running them at all. And so. they're running into the ground. And. it's tragic to see because San. Francisco, like you said, it's a. beautiful city. LA used to be an an a.

place where you could go and make your. dreams come true. >> San Francisco was awesome 10 years ago. Just 10 years ago, I I filmed my special. triggered in the Fillmore in San. Francisco in 2016. It was great. No. problems. It was not It was a homeless. people everywhere. It was normal. It was. normal San Francisco. Go to a cool. restaurant. People are cool. Always been. like a smart city. Interesting. architecture. Always been a great city. I lived there from the time I was 7 to. 11. >> Really? >> Yeah. I loved San Francisco. It's.

unrecognizable now. 10 years. That's it. 10 years of [ __ ] asinine government. And also. this homeless thing when you realize. that it's an industry when the. homelessness is valuable. Having. homeless people on the streets is. valuable because you can get more money. to deal with this obvious homeless. problem. The more obvious the problem. is, the more money they're going to. throw on it. They don't have to fix it. >> Well, there's no there's no intention to.

fix it, >> right? >> They're giving out free needles here. Yeah, >> get high here. It's And I was I was just. somewhere where my first experience. seeing the homeless in this magnitude. And the one thing that's evident. instantly is they're all so completely. strung out on drugs. Like this fentanyl. thing is no [ __ ] joke. like the. zombies leaning against every corner of. and and and to me it's cruel,

>> right? Yeah. Like if if someone's to. that point you and you want to help. them, don't give them a [ __ ] iPhone. and some more needles, how about you. pick them up off the street. >> and you take them somewhere and go, "Look, there's a curfew here and you. ain't doing no drugs, right? >> We're gonna clean you out." Um and and. some aren't going to want that. they're. going to want to go back on the street. and do drugs and and the addiction and. the consequences of drugs that are that. I had surgery. They had put me on. fentanyl. I had neck surgery and they.

put me on fentanyl. There's high. Then. there's that [ __ ] And that was done by. an anesthesiologist. I wasn't. self-medicating on a [ __ ] parking. lot, right? >> What'd you get done to your neck? >> Uh C6C7. I blew up. >> No, no, no, no, no. I had the. >> disc. Yeah. >> Just cut some of it down. >> Yeah. It's okay now. >> Yeah. >> How long ago did you get that done? >> Was that maybe three years ago? >> I wish I told you. >> Yeah. Three years ago. >> If that ever happens again, don't do. that. >> Don't. >> No. >> Well, it'll happen.

>> There's Yeah, I'm sure it will. Um, there's other ways. There's way. Yeah, there's PRP can help it. Regenicine help. mine. I had a pretty bad bulging disc in. my neck. >> What's Reen? Regenicine is um they used. to have to go to Germany to do it. Uh, I. know Payton Manning went there. or Kobe. Bryant went there and Dana White. actually flew to Germany to get it done. Um, it is uh it's like an advanced form. of plateletri plasma where they take. your blood, they uh there's a process to. it. Pull it up, Jamie, because I can't.

remember what the process is, but they. spin it in a centurfuge for like 10. hours and then you come back the next. day and they inject it and it makes this. very potent anti-inflammatory and they. inject it around wherever the injury is. to the disc and uh it provides like. within weeks amazing relief and for me. it completely cured it. I I I had a. point my fingers were going numb. >> Yeah, that's what. >> uh German. go back up back to where Yeah. So German. physician Dr. Peter Welling uh the.

treatment focused on blocking a specific. inflammatory protein interlucan one. So. they take the blood out um they draw. your blood and then the blood is heated. to body temperature to trigger the. production of a natural. anti-inflammatory protein called IL1. and then they spin it in a centrifuge uh. separating out the proteinrich serum. The serum is then injected directly into. the painful joint or tissue. Dude, it. was remarkable for me for uh knee. injuries. I did it a bunch of times. I.

used to do it at they they moved it. You. you used to have to go to Germany and. then Santa Monica. They opened up an. office. It's lifestyle medicine. That's. what it's called, right? Um and then um. that's where I had it done. And you it's. incredible. Like it I had it done my. entire back. Like there's a picture of. me on the on Instagram with a bunch of. these [ __ ] tubes in my That's me. right there. >> Bunch of those tubes. my hairy ass back. And uh it was incredible. I mean, it.

really fixed so many problems that I. had. It's uh really great for specifically. for back injuries, knee injuries, stuff. like that. There's a lot of good. biological options. There's also. decompression is very important. I have. a harness that I attach to a pull-up bar. and it straps under my chin and I just. like let my weight drop down and. decompress my weight on my neck. I do. that every day. And then I also have. this thing called a Dex 3. Is it Dex 2. or Dex 3? Uh you you hang forward. Uh.

it's like Teeter makes it. You know that. company that makes those decompression. tables, but this one's even better cuz. you just hinge from the hip. So you're. not supporting it at all with your legs. and it's just your back. It just goes. like pop pop. Like you could feel it. >> I made one of those. >> I'll show it to you. We have one out. here. We have two of them out here. actually. Really? >> Right out Yeah. in the gym. It's they're. they're the [ __ ] I have one at home. I. don't I I will not not have one. I have. to have one. It's so good for just. decompressing your back. But you need to. decompress the neck, too. Anytime you're.

doing anything, if you're deadlifting or. squat, obviously you're lifting a lot of. heavy weights. If anytime you're lifting. weight, you got to think of all that all. that pressure is on your back. All that. squashing down and you got to do. something to stretch it out. >> Stretch it back out. >> But there's ways to heal it now without. taking away the disc. So, the problem is. every time they cut away a piece of your. disc, >> you got less disc. You got less disc. Yeah. So, the good news is there's some. treatments that they're doing now where. they're actually injecting some sort of. a hydro gel.

>> I've heard about this. >> Yeah. Into the disc itself. So, I asked. Brigham from Ways to Well about that and. they're looking into it and they're. trying to apparently this is not being. done um widely yet. This is like this. just experimental, but they they think. they're going to be able to do that. There's also some places like CPI, uh, Cellular Performance Institute down at. Tijana. They've successfully been. injecting stem cells into people's discs. and it causes a disc to regenerate. tissue and get thicker and healthier.

>> Really? >> Yeah. Um, Shane Dorian, my friend, he's. a prourfer and uh, big wave surfer and. bow hunter. He he went down there and he. said it was remarkable. He said within a. couple of months, like a 30 to 40%. increase in range of motion, decrease in. pain. Yeah, you could feel it. It's kind. of an annoying process cuz once you do. it, you can't really do [ __ ] for like 6. weeks. Like once you I think it's 6. weeks. >> Well, that's what the same with the. surgery. You're not doing [ __ ] for six. weeks after that. >> But you can't lift weights. You could. walk. You can walk. You know, it's all.

it's the whole thing is like let. everything take. Like let it take. Let. it heal up. >> Don't do anything stupid. Don't reinjure. it. Don't aggravate it. Like give it a. chance to actually do its magic. >> Yeah, I'll look into that for sure. But. any neck injury or back injury, they're. such a [ __ ] Anytime your back. goes out, you're like, everything you do. is like, ah, it's so hard to do. anything. It's like you realize like how. nice it is to be healthy when. >> Yeah. >> You know, whenever you get hurt.

>> Yeah. No, back pain. That's That's what. killed my stepfather. >> Back pain. >> Yeah. >> They just get on pills. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I have a friend in the family. that did that. >> Yeah. He was in I remember one time we. were fishing up in Wyoming and and he. just he was like I can't do it. Back. hurts too bad. >> And he went in and had a surgery and. that made it worse which is. >> yeah which is a real real risk when you. start messing around with the spine. Right. >> Um. >> and so yeah and then it was you know.

those are serious pain. Now we're. talking Oxy. >> Yeah. Now you're in just agony. Now. you're on a clock. >> Yeah. And you can only do that [ __ ] for. so long. >> Yeah. Now you're on a clock. >> Oxies are [ __ ] terrifying. They're so. terrifying. >> Yeah. >> So terrifying how readily they were. handing them out too forever. >> Yeah. >> Did you ever see Painkiller? That the. Peter Berg thing that he did for. Netflix? >> No, I didn't. >> [ __ ] great, man. So Matthew Brick. plays such a great creep. Oh, he played.

the Sackler brother. The Sackler. Yeah. the head of the family that started this. whole opiate problem that we have in. this country. It's [ __ ] terrifying. cuz it's all real. And those [ __ ]. people never even went to jail. Who. knows how many people are dead because. of them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They generated [ __ ] billions and. billions of dollars. Killed a bunch of. people. Ruined countless lives. How many lives? People that were connected. Your dad. gets hooked on that [ __ ] It ruins your. relationship with your your family. You.

you you wind up being all [ __ ] up. because you grew up with a dad who was. strung out on pills. >> Yep. No. Generation. >> Yeah. >> generational damage. >> Oh god. Yeah. >> And these guys put their feet up. >> Yeah. They go to a [ __ ] nice country. club and have the lobster. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] suckers. There's so many of them in. this world. There's like that's. genuinely evil. >> Yes. >> There's real demons. That's a real. demon. Like people want to think demons. live in hell and you know that's that's. kind of may may or may not be real. Well, no. They're on Earth. There's.

demons. >> They're right here. >> Yeah. And they justify it. They figure. out a way to justify it. And they're. around a bunch of other people who. justify it, too. And they can just. immediately dismiss any pain or. suffering because they got a huge amount. of profit from it. >> Yeah. Yep. Those are the [ __ ]. >> Those are the [ __ ] Yeah. They're out. there. >> And And it doesn't take many of them to. create like real carnage. I mean, think. about that. Think about the opiate issue.

in this and it's still going. It was the. gateway to fentanyl, right? >> If you think about it. >> Yeah. It was the gateway to fentanyl and. it was uh it was also it's like they. were doing those pain man pain. management centers down in Florida. >> where they just all they prescribed as. pills. So you would go and like I'm in. pain. They were like oh Taylor we've got. the solution. It's right next door. And. you go right next door to their pharmacy. and all their pharmacy has like they. don't have Ben Gay over there. They. don't have toothbrushes. >> Oxy. >> Yeah. They got Oxy.

>> Here you go, buddy. >> This is the solution. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ]. >> Yep. >> Yep. That's the real drug trade. >> Mhm. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, the. cartel is basically getting the scraps. They're making trillions of dollars off. scraps. >> Well, think about this. Did you even. know what fentanyl was 15 years ago? I. never heard of it. No, I don't even. remember when we first heard about it, but when we first heard about it on a. podcast, we were talking about it and we. found the amount that's lethal and they. showed it next to a penny and you're.

like, "What?". >> Yeah, >> that can kill you. And people are taking. that and they're mixing that in cocaine. Holy [ __ ]. >> And they are bent over zombies on the. side of the road. >> Yeah. Philadelphia is bad, too. There's. a bunch of cities that are just real bad. with it. And it doesn't have to be that. way. And what's interesting is this Iane. initiative that Rick Perry and Brian. Huard are pushing in Texas and uh that I. went to the White House to get Trump to.

be involved in. And they're trying to. make this so that it's uh you have a. right to use or right I I think they. call right to use or right to try for. people that are addicted and they're. trying to make it more readily available. and accessible to veterans. That's the. thing that could help all these people. >> What is it now? >> Ibeane. Do you don't know what that is? Ibagane is a uh it comes from the aboga. tree in Africa and it is this very. potent psychedelic that has no. recreational use at all. It's not fun.

Nobody likes it. It's not like you trip, you see zombies and [ __ ] hang out. with the aliens. Uh-uh. you go into this. very dark experience for like 24 hours. where it like replays your life to you. in a very uncomfortable way and also. somehow or another rewires addiction in. your brain. And for a large percentage. of people, just one dose is good enough. to get them off of everything, whatever. they're on, whether it's alcohol, gambling, coke, whatever the [ __ ] it is. But for two doses, when they do it.

twice, it's significantly better. And it. doesn't just do that. Rick Perry, who. was the Republican former governor of. Texas, was staunchly anti-drugs. He's. said this is his main focus in life now. is to promote this. This is his goal in. life because he did it. >> and he had an incredible reaction to it. and he knows so many veterans who have. done it. It's incredible for PTSD. somehow or another it has neuro. regenerative properties where he went. there and they said he went to his.

doctor before and you know doctor did a. whole scan of his body and he said look. you've got a certain amount of age. related brain atrophy it's like it's. fine but you know it's normal that. you're 73 years old or 74 years old. So. he goes and does the Ibagane uh sees his. doctor a short time afterwards and the. doctor says you it's 25% less atrophy. than when you got the last scan. and. he's explains to him the whole Ibagane. thing. He goes back six months later, it's all gone. He has no brain atrophy.

anymore, which is bananas. So, it's. regenerating brain tissue. It's making. his brain work better, and it's just. Well, the pharmaceutical companies. aren't going to let that [ __ ] out. >> Well, they they didn't like it. They. didn't like that I bypassed them and. went straight to Trump and told them. about that. But Trump was very open to. it. He said, 'What are you looking for? You looking for FDA approval? Like, let's do it. Like, that's literally what. he said. And then a week later, we were.

at the White House and he was signing. it. So, it's incredible. But if so many. veterans have had to go over to mo. mostly Mexico, but Costa Rica, there's a. bunch of different places that they go. where they can have these IBA retreats. And these guys have had incredible. results. Marcus Latrell, he had an. incredible result from it. He had a real. problem drinking. you know, obviously. he's the guy, Lone Survivor, the the. movies based on his experiences over in. Afghanistan. >> So, this guy, you know, he's he's done.

it. He's gotten over it because of that. Like, there's a a long Sean Ryan, long. list of guys who have had this. experience and it completely changed. them. >> Wow. >> Dakota Meyer did it. So many of these. guys did it. And because of their their. stories, cuz all these veterans, then it. like kind of opened up the idea to a lot. more right-wing people that would maybe. be like more hesitant to accept. something like this. Then on top of it, no recreational use. Like no one's like, "Boy, I can't wait to do that again.".

Everybody's like, "Holy [ __ ] this. sucked. I had diarrhea. I threw up. I. felt I was horrified for [ __ ] 12. hours." Apparently just takes you. through every aspect of your life like. review like a movie. All the times. you've ever hurt people, you see it from. their perspective, like Yeah. It's like. very It's a very dark experience for a. lot of people, especially a lot of. people that have [ __ ] up a lot of. their life, you know. >> Wow. >> Yeah. But if those people had access to. obain, all these homeless people that. you see strung out, if instead of just.

giving them needles and an iPhone and. like profiting off of it, if somehow or. another these [ __ ] can figure out a. way to profit off of these centers, we. could bring people in and give them. ibame retreats. Maybe that would be a. nice little [ __ ] exit strategy for. all these grifters that have been. profiting off of the homeless industrial. complex for so long. >> Yeah. No, you know, they're they're not. trying to solve problems. >> No, no, they're trying to make money. That's what I was saying earlier when. we're talking about charities. That's. the saddest thing that I come to the.

realization that most nonprofits are. [ __ ] scams. Like most of them. >> Most of them. And this guy was like. reading off like the average amount that. these people that are in charge of the. homeless program in LA are making. It's. it's extraordinary amount of money. >> It's a great living. They're not doing. it because it's like some sort of a very. charitable thing that they really want. to save the world and help people. No, they're they're making tons of money at.

>> the at the they're. for for they're performative. entrepreneurs if you think about it. Come up with a problem, then go pitch. some version of Karen's solution to a. government. >> and take the [ __ ] money. >> and never solve the problem. because as. soon as you solve the problem and if you. do somehow accidentally solve it then go. find another one. >> Yeah. And I think um that's one of the. reasons why shows like Yellowstone in. particular that show like people that.

are proud to work hard and really get. like deep satisfaction out of that life. And there's something about that that it. really like it resonates with people. like there's a better way than just. bullshitting people. There's a better. way than fraud and and nonsense and all. this political horseshit that's pumped. down your throat every day. No. How. about a [ __ ] just a sleeping bag and. the stars? How about that? Just lying. there with your horse tied to a tree.

Isn't that really what everybody wants? Isn't doesn't really every want to cook. their dinner over a fire and laugh with. all their friends because that's what. they really want. That's that really. sounds good. >> Simple. >> Something real. something that re that's. like there's it's not that simple. because it's hard to do all that [ __ ]. but there's something about it that's. pure. It's pure. There's no ifands, or. buts. >> You spend a lot of time outside, right? And and the entire thing is an endeavor, right? If you go on, you go bow hunting,

you know, you're going to you're going. to practice, prepare before you go, then. you're going to hike your ass in uh. somewhere, you're going to have to set. up a camp. Uh, and all of these are. tasks before you've even gone to do the. thing you went there to do, which is. going to be another task. But the. completion of them is the reward. >> Yeah. >> And the fact that you're doing it. yourself, everything done yourself. I. think that's and that's why people are. so attracted to the life. That's why. I've got, you know, third generation. cowboys that went and got a degree in. ranch management to come back and make,

you know, $3,000 a month and couldn't be. happier. >> It's wild, isn't it? It's really wild. when you think about it. It's wild what. people actually gravitate towards. because they say that. Have you ever. seen that Warner Herszog um documentary. Happy People? >> No. >> It's called Happy People, Life in the. Tiger, and it's all about these trappers. that live on the Tiger River in uh. Siberia. And uh all these people do is. trap and hunt and fish. They don't have.

any other way to make a living. That's. all they do. And they're so [ __ ]. happy. And they're all laughing together. and drinking together and hanging out. with their dogs and their dogs are sled. dogs. And so they're on they're on. snowmobiles and the dogs are chasing. behind them and the dogs hunt with them. And these [ __ ] people have like zero. mental illness. And when they're talking. to them, they're talking in Russian. So. it's all translated. But what they're. talking about like the way they talk, it's like that this is how you're. supposed to live. This is real life. And they're all happy.

>> There's a guy. I'm gonna get his name wrong. It's like. Primager, something like that. Uh, and. he. in the 60s. >> Dick Premikin. >> Preachkin. That's it. >> Yeah. Yeah. The guy who lived in Alaska. >> Yeah. Just went up said bucket. >> Yeah. >> Went up into the way into the wild and. built by hand a cabin and lived there. and and documented it. Brought a little. Super Eight camera, whatever, filmed the.

whole thing. Yeah. and and filmed. himself. I mean, he he lived for 35. years. He was 80 something years old. when he finally was too old to to get. through another winter when he came. down. And he just built this cabin and. just lived, hunt, fished, grew. >> potatoes, had to build. Prreni, that's how you say his name. >> Uh, P R O E. >> If you haven't, if you haven't watched. that documentary, it is fascinating. >> It's amazing. Yeah. Look at the. different What is it? Oh, they Oh, just.

>> talking about it. >> Oh, but why they show 2023? >> Um, this guy when he documented all of. it, you know, it's so attractive. There's something about the way he's. live and he's by himself, which is also. wild. Like, how do you not get lonely? >> No, there's that. >> I mean, I'd lose my [ __ ] marbles. I. need people. I need to talk to somebody. I don't think I'd be liking that. But. it's so attractive. But the but the.

notion of that kind of self-reliance. >> Yeah. No, there's something about it. that's like deeply ingrained in our DNA. It's not just that. It's like uh it's a. a healthy interaction with the the wild. world. >> There he is. Look at that guy. Made all. that [ __ ] himself. >> That's what's crazy. >> Yeah. >> The whole the whole I mean he made his. own tools. He made it was it's really w. I think he was a Wasn't he a lumber man. or something like that?

>> I can't remember if he was. >> Look at [ __ ] pretty that is. My god. This is right in front of his house. You. just build a house out there. Alaska is amazing, man. I mean, the. winters can suck a dick, but the just. the actual being there in the place and. the people are they're clearly like. extraordinary people. Like when you go. just even hanging out in a bar in. Anchorage, like you guys are different. They're like more reliable, [laughter].

>> you know, sturdier people. >> No matter where you live in Alaska, you're going to have to be tough. >> Yeah, you have to be. And they were. laughing about some guy who got stomped. to death by a moose cuz he was throwing. snowballs at it in town. Like, okay, like that's something you guys have to. think about. You you might get stomped. to death in front of the ATM machine. >> Or maybe maybe don't throw a [ __ ]. snowball at a thousand pound animal. Yeah. Well, you can catch a a cow with. their calves and she'll stump you no. matter what. >> So, it's a book. Um, Prrenicki says he.

turned his back on a tedious on tedious. 50-hour work weeks and moved to Alaska. to do a thing to completion. He built. the cabin when he was 51 and lived there. for more than 30 years. Wow. Wow. Where is that area? The Twin Lakes. in Lake Clark National Park. >> I don't know. There's another guy that lives up there. that lives uh near the Arctic Circle. Um. Vice Guide to Travel did a piece on him.

years ago. It's same kind of deal. He. lives in a cabin and uh he's been up in. that cabin since the 1970s. He didn't he. never saw 911. He saw a photograph of it. years later. He's just been up there in. the woods. All he does is he hunts. caribou and he has them all like hanging. up like frozen because it's frozen. outside. Like that's is outside as his. cooler. >> and while they're there a grizzly tries. to steal his stash and he has to shoot. the grizzly. It's like it's crazy.

>> really. What's that called? >> It's called uh Vice Guide to Travel and. it's Himmo's Arctic Adventure is the. video series. And what's interesting, this is like the early days of Vice when. Vice was really cool. And they get this. [ __ ] nerd with glasses. He's probably. from like Williamsburg who flies out to. Alaska to hang out with this guy. And uh. the guy this like these journalists were. like hardcore. These young kids were. they knew they were doing something kind. of crazy. And they would go to war.

zones. Like that's how Tim Pool started. out. These guys would go to the [ __ ]. war zones and get shot at. They had. bulletproof vests on and [ __ ] they'd be. doing investigate like real. investigative reporting. And so this guy. did just really went up there and hung. out with this dude in Alaska for like a. week and was talking to him was like. what's what's so great about this? And. he's a very intelligent guy. He's not a. the guy who's this this guy. See if you. can find that. Did you find it? >> I was looking around. There's I mean.

>> they're still posting stuff. They've. there's the last Alaskan Excuse me. The. last Alaskans. >> Oh, he's still posting stuff. They have. a YouTube channel. >> Oh, wow. >> Himo and Edna. >> Oh. Oh, wow. He looks older now. >> They're just talking about podcast here. a second ago. >> Oh, interesting. They're talking about. podcasts. >> Our podcast. >> Oh, because we talked about him. >> No, I mean just I [laughter] just saw as. you were your picture popped up. >> Oh, that's it. That's me talking about. him. Yeah. Uh see if you could find the. Vice Guide to Travel because that's. where I found out about him. So, this.

guy's he's like one of the last people. that's allowed to live up there. He has. like a notice posted on his um his cabin. because he's grandfathered in. I don't. think you could build a cabin up there. anymore. That's not This is afterwards. >> 15 years ago. >> Might be it. But I think it's called. Himmo's Arctic Adventure. Yeah. Himo Himo Cor himo's Arctic.

Refuge. That's the article. >> Yeah. I mean, device website isn't. really one of the most well-kept things. on the internet these days. >> Um, put in Arctic Adventure. >> I'm guessing that the article was the. first thing and then they went and. followed up to make a video and that's. what this is. >> Yeah, I don't know if Yeah, maybe that's. it. >> Yeah. See, it says it presents Himo's. Arctic Refuge, >> right? That's probably it.

>> They could have just changed the name on. YouTube also. >> I think they did. Or maybe I remember it. wrong. Either way, this guy's premise is. that this is really how you should live. This is how people Yeah, that's the guy. So, you see this looking nerdy cat is. hanging out. [laughter]. He looks so out of place. Yep. This is. it. and he's got this uh caribou that he. shot and they're hanging frozen and he. just saws off a piece and throws the. frozen steaks onto the grill, cooks it.

over wood and this is how this guy lives. and that's all he eats. He's just eating. caribou and salmon and he lives up there. all year round, man. And it's uh I mean. he's just very happy. And that this is. the weird part about it is how happy. people who live like this are. >> because I think that's in our brain. That's how we're designed to exist with. nature.

>> We're designed to be hunter gatherers. >> You know, that's we still have the same. DNA as people that lived tens of. thousands of years ago. >> And you know, cities started. what maybe 10,000 years ago in some. form, right? >> Yeah. depending on who you ask, >> you know, I think we're a little wrong. with that, too. I think they're starting. to change their perspective of when. actual civilization emerged because of. stuff like um Gobecley and Turkey. They. found these immense structures that are.

11,800 years old that were buried that. this guy who was like a I think it was a. sheep herder in the 90s found it. >> Yeah. found like a stone that was like. sticking out of the ground weird and he. kicked it with his boots like knocking. some dirt off and then he brought in. some archaeologists and then they. discovered this massive complex these. like huge circles of giant stone columns. with 3D animals carved in them and they. carbonated the ground and it was. intentionally covered up somewhere. around 11,000 plus years ago. So they're. like really Yeah. So like what the [ __ ].

is this? Like they didn't even know like. what the civilization was like what why. did they build this? What's the purpose. of it? There's a lot a lot of people. that debate whether or not what's. depicted on it is a calendar. Is it a. marking of an event? Does it show the. flood? Like what what is this? It's it's. weird stuff, man. Like really weird. stuff. And I think there's more of that. than you'd like to that makes people. comfortable. And archaeologists are very. hesitant to accept it. Well, that whole. that whole deal, right? Like your.

relevance being upon you've discovered. this thing and. >> um you know when they when they found. the the Clovis point. so then we're dating everything off of. that and anyone finding anything else is. going to render that guy's discovery. less important. >> Yeah. And you know there was at one. point we thought there was this logical. evolution of man from homo erectus into. homo sapiion and now we know that there. were at least four maybe five species of. humanoid living at the same time.

>> Mhm. >> [ __ ] at least five. >> Not only that it's like really difficult. to make a fossil. Most people are going. to die and their bones are going to be. gone within a hundred years. >> Yeah. It's just what what we've been. able to find and we're basing an entire. science upon. incredibly incomplete discoveries. >> We're b we're basing entire science on a. very limited number that can even. possibly exist. Like I think if you take. into account how many dinosaur bones. they found and then how many dinosaurs.

existed and for how many hundreds of. millions of years dinosaurs existed and. you realize like oh like most [ __ ]. doesn't make a fossil. So, we don't even. know how many different dinosaurs that. we've I mean, they just discovered a new. one recently. There's We don't even know. how many existed that we never found. fossilized. >> Yeah. If you if they didn't run through. some lava pit or tar pit or something, how would you know? >> And every so often some new form of. ancient human pops up and we're like,

"Oh, what's this one? What the [ __ ] is. this one? There's weird ones. They're. all over the place. There's a a [ __ ]. ton of them. The Dennis Ovenanss. There's the the one in uh I believe it. was in China. The big-headed people that. they're quite a bit larger. >> These are in Texas. >> Yeah, that's Glen. >> Dinosaur Valley State Park. Wow. >> That's Glen Rose, Texas. >> That's crazy. How crazy is that? Look at those. footprints. That's so nuts. That is so nuts that a dinosaur left.

those. How long ago? 113 milliony old. dinosaur tracks. What the [ __ ] man? >> [laughter]. >> And you know, we're just lucky. >> So, what is he what you that thing and. how much did it [ __ ] weigh to imprint. into that which is now granite, right? But at the time, it's probably some. mixture of mud and ash from a volcano. that came together, >> right? Probably. >> some version of that, >> right? I wonder what the animal was. Do. they know which uh dinosaur it was?

>> Picture of one here. I don't know if. it's the I just guess that's the one. they assumed was there. God, those. footprints are so dope. >> That's so wild. >> Wonder who the first guy found that was. >> Says it was discovered after a drought, so it would have been. >> Oh, that's even cooler. >> So, it was underneath the water the. whole time and then they're like, "Holy." The river dried up completely in. most locations, line for more tracks to. be uncovered here in the park. Wow, that's sick.

That's the animal. >> believed to be. I don't know. Yeah, they. wouldn't know for sure. >> Belonged to two types of dinos including. Acroan. canthosaurus. >> Yeah, I think I don't think they found. any fossils or anything to be. for the record. >> That's even crazier, right? All you find. is the feet. >> Think about how many died there. Think. about how many just got eaten by other. animals and [ __ ] out. And I mean, most. stuff that lives, I mean, you know as.

well as anybody. You very rarely find. skeletons in the woods. >> No, the mice are going to eat them. >> Yeah. Something's going to eat most of. what you find in the woods. Within a. couple of years, everything's gone. But. like, >> when was the last time like if you're a. hunter? Good luck finding a dead. mountain lion. >> They must die. They must die. I don't. know anybody that's found a dead one. >> I've never found one. I never seen one. >> There's thousands of them. They die. Where are they? >> [ __ ] nature takes care of everything.

And that's what would happen to most. fossils. Yeah, >> that's why most fossils don't happen. I. mean, when people die, they don't get. fossilized. >> Says 1908, a local school boy found some. of these. >> Wow, look at the size of those next to. that dude. That's crazy. >> Imagine you ran home and tried to tell. your parents [laughter] found some. dinosaur. They wouldn't even know what. dinosaurs really were, I bet, back then. How would they have known? >> Well, there's a lot of people today that. don't even think dinosaurs are real, which is hilarious. >> There's so many so many knuckleheads. online. But I mean, we don't we we have.

a very. limited amount of information that we're. basing our the entire history of Earth. on planet. >> What do you describe that as a 1910. >> three-toed giant. >> lizard? I don't even know what. >> I How would you even be sure that that. was a footprint? >> Come look at this. Then you got to go. tell everybody else in the town to come. follow you out there to find it. >> Right. In 1910, did they even have. drawings of dinosaurs? Well, I would I. would think they would have found some. of the bones. >> I'm sure. I think we figured that out,

right? I think we talked about that. Didn't they first start finding them in. the 1800s? Isn't that what it was? >> But yeah, it's not I mean, if you think. about how many different things died and. just were absorbed by the earth, just. eaten [ __ ] out, swallowed up, just. destroyed by time and erosion, and never. became fossils. We're we're basing the. entire history of the planet on a. limited amount of information. And that. information, it never gets younger. It. always gets older. The more stuff they.

found, >> like they found a modern version of. human beings that pushes the timeline of. humans back another three or 400,000. years. And that keeps happening. Well, they they they thought that people. crossed the Bearing Land Bridge 12,000, >> 14,000 years ago, and now they've pushed. that back 10,000 years. >> Yeah. They found the those footprints in. White Sands, New Mexico, and those are. 22,000 years old. >> It took a giant flood to come wash away. layers of sediment.

>> that revealed that. That's why it's so. muddy around it, I guess. >> Wow. >> And then they started digging. >> That's [ __ ] cool. >> That is so cool. And this is in 1952 they did that. >> No, no, no. 1908. >> 908. >> The pictures are from 1952 or something. Okay. So, it must have just kept Maybe. it flooded again 50 years later. >> Floods do happen here fast. >> When did they first figure out. dinosaurs? Like what was the first year. a dinosaur bone was discovered.

on your ranch? Do you find like a lot of. like arrowheads and like Native American. stuff? the one I grew up on. Everywhere. >> Yeah. >> Every time it had rain, >> you'd find these points. >> Dutch enthrals me. It's so fascinating. You pick up some arrow. I found one in. Nevada while I was on a mu deer hunt. I. was in the high desert. We found this. little tiny thing. I look down. I go, "Oh my god, it's a [ __ ] arrowette.". And you just think some dude who knows.

how many hundreds of years ago shot at a. deer. Maybe. >> thousands. Yeah. We found a bunch and. and my mother took them to Fort Worth to. the museum and they dated them and some. of them and they they could look at them. and they'd know various styles, right? And they go, "Oh, this was made by this. is 2200 years old. This 4,000 years old. This is when they started doing this.". >> We have one here. I got one here. somewhere. It's a big one, too. >> 1677 was when the first scientifically.

recorded dinosaur bone was described. Although it says they've been digging. people have been digging them up for. thousands of years, but. >> they didn't know what the [ __ ] it was. >> This one says he even thought it. belonged to a giant human. [laughter]. >> And then. >> this is one from here. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. >> Look at that. >> Yeah. A friend of mine got that off of. his ranch. Remy Warren told me that's probably one. they use for fishing cuz it was so big. >> Interesting. >> Yeah, I thought so, too. I was like, that's interesting. Because I guess when. you're dealing with old bows that didn't.

have a whole lot of power, they you. really wouldn't want a big wide cut. because you wouldn't get enough. penetration to get through the rib cage. unless you're really close. >> This would be more on a spear. >> No, it would be on a arrow. It would. just be something that you shot at a. fish because it's easier to penetrate. than like say a buffalo, >> right? >> Where they would use a smaller head. >> They're just trying to get penetration. >> That's fascinating. It's just an amazing. thing. You're finding just this piece of. ancient history where people had no.

internet, no books, no nothing. Just. flintnapping and using tendons. Yeah. >> And then trying to practice with those. bows and figure out how to do it while. you're on horseback, too. [laughter]. [gasps]. >> It's crazy. >> Wild. So, where you grew up, the on the ranch. you grew up, you'd find them all the. time? >> All the time. >> What was the oldest [ __ ] you found? >> Man, I I I can't remember, but but I.

remember it being thousands of years. old. A few thousand years old, but we. had we had a like my mother had this. wicker basket that was like this big and. and it was full. of arrowheads. >> Yeah. Wow. >> You'd find them just toss them in there. >> That's crazy. Yeah. >> Just makes you think like how long did. people live on that land? How many. hundreds thousands of years do people. live on that land? >> Yeah. Yeah. And and or pass through or.

have battles or who [ __ ] knows? >> Yeah. >> Or or or when you find them like we. found them. I mean, every single time it. rained you, there was this stock tank. behind our house and you maybe it's half. mile up to the stock tank. We walk that. road and you you could find four or. five. So, was that a trading depot? Was. that some place where people went to. trade. and then I always think like how do you. lose that many?

>> As hard as they must be to make. >> You'd think once you've shot that arrow, you're going to go look for the arrow. >> Yeah. >> Because you spent hours making this. >> this. >> They must have shot so many for so long. They I mean, they're probably shooting. them every day. They probably had. somebody back at camp making them every. day. >> There's probably some guy that that's. his skill. >> Yeah. >> Maybe that maybe when people got older, they couldn't couldn't hunt, couldn't. run, >> right? You know, >> maybe. >> they sat back and. >> Right. >> Yeah. And that guy makes the arrows and.

maybe somebody else makes the bows and. this guy's going out and shooting the. deer and bringing them back. When you're. doing a show like 1823, how much research did you have to do to. try to get that right? Because that was, in my opinion, one of the best. theatrical things that that I ever. watched, movie or television show, that. I feel like nailed what it must have. been like to try to travel across the. country to be a civilized person living. in the city and try to make your way.

across the country and just experience. the wild [ __ ] those people saw. >> Well, there's a few things. So, a lot of. research, but interestingly, I had. uh my family had come, one side of my. family had come from Kentucky to Texas. in the 1840s and whatever great. great-grandmother journaled. >> Wow. >> So, I had the journal. Um, >> holy [ __ ]. >> And uh and then I started finding other. journals. there wasn't, you know, some.

were published and and reading about. just how [ __ ] dangerous it was if you. think about it. Um, rivers were the most. terrifying thing crossing rivers cuz no. one swam. No one could swim. [sighs]. And most of the most of the people who. came into either the port of New Orleans. or Galveastston, they were European. They were German, a lot of Germans.

There were a lot of um central Europeans. that came uh and and they were promised. free land, right? there would be travel. agencies that they would arrange the. entire trip with before they've even. left Germany or Croatia or wherever they. were. And uh and so by the time that. they landed in Galveastston, they would. meet up with their group and the group. would, you know, they'd have chipped in. all this amount of money and they've got.

guides and they would have already. arranged for mules or horses and and. wagons and uh and off they go. And. >> and they had no idea. >> No. And they a lot of them had never. [ __ ] ridden a horse in their life, [sighs]. much less fired a gun, much less you. they're in a completely foreign. area. Like they don't and they landed in. Texas, most of them heading to Oregon, uh. because that area was the most similar. to where they were from in central. Europe. And then, you know, for whatever.

reason, they didn't some didn't get that. far. Some maybe never got past Waco or. Fort Worth or wherever. Um and then off. they went and and the dangers were from. obviously rivers and sun exposure, disease. Um. obviously there were issues with bandits. and the Native American tribes depending. on the time of year that that the era, right? By the 80s that was largely not. an issue, the 1880s. Um, but bandits.

sure [ __ ] were a real issue because. there's no rule of law. >> Right. >> Right. And we can look at there's plenty. of bad people doing awful [ __ ] today and. we got all sorts of laws. Now imagine if. those people had the wherewithal to go. to a place to where there's no laws, >> no law and no enforcement, no help, no. nothing. You're on your own. >> You on your [ __ ] own. And there was a. bunch of people that had been living. like that for decades. Just [ __ ]. people up, >> waiting for you.

>> Just waiting for you. Waiting for you. Here they come. Let's get them. >> And that was what their thing was. >> Yeah. No. The So river crossings were. incredibly dangerous. Um and then. trying to if you didn't have an. experienced guide, you're [ __ ] Truly. [ __ ] Because you could pick the wrong. way and run out of water. Go wander. around in the circle. So you get up. there on the great plains to where it's. flat and there's and you don't know how. to read the sun, you don't know where. you're going. People go out there and.

make giant circles. >> Yeah. I was reading something about that. the other day that people tend to for. whatever reason always walk in a. counterclockwise. um direction when they get lost. And. that even if they're left or. right-handed or left-handed, it doesn't. seem to matter. Humans when they walk, if they get lost like in the woods, they. walk in circles and they almost always. walk in a counterclockwise direction. And so this article was uh explaining.

that if you find yourself lost and you. think you're running into the same. places, most likely you should veer. towards the right because you're you're. most likely looping towards the left. For whatever reason, people tend to do. that. Wonder if there's like a. scientific explanation. See if there's put that in perplexity. See why people move in a. counterclockwise. >> It didn't come up with anything. >> Perplexity doesn't know [ __ ] Doesn't. have any woodsmanship.

>> I never understood getting lost in the. wilderness. I didn't understand it. >> Really? >> I can understand not knowing where you. are. >> But you know, but I never understood. getting lost. >> Do you Well, you must have learned how. to use a compass early. >> Yeah. Or or the sun. >> Yeah. >> Right. If the sun comes up in the. morning and you're facing it, right, then behind you is west, to your left is. north, to your right is south. >> Some people have zero experience in the. woods, though. >> People tend to loop often. counterclockwise when lost because small. errors in our internal sense of straight.

ahead accumulate. And humans also have a. subtle left turn counterclockwise bias. whose exact cause is still unclear. Isn't that weird? Wow, that's so weird. In lab and field experiments, blindfolded people tend to walk straight. without landmarks. Almost always end up. curving into large loops instead of. moving in a straight line. People told. rather to walk straight without. landmarks. >> Wow. This happens because without. internal clues or external clues like. the sun, distant objects or visible.

path, small random errors in balance and. body feedback build up until the path. bends enough to close into a circle. Wow. That's got to be so disheartening. You've been walking for days and then. you pass the same dead tree and you're. like, "Oh my god, we walked in a [ __ ]. circle." Pedestrians everywhere exhibit. a counterclockwise bias, wired to walk. counterclockwise. During COVID, scientists studying social distancing. noticing people seem to prefer moving.

counterclockwise. That's so weird. Hm. Tendency is fundamentally individual. rather than a collective. What does that mean? Um, so every individual does it, I. guess, rather than a group of people. just following the leader. >> Pretty wild. So when people get lost, some but some. some people have just zero experience. being in the woods at all and they just. don't know where to go. They where are. we? And they just they just [ __ ].

freak out and then they panic because. they think what's out there? Oh my god, I'm gonna die. >> Yeah. And you realize that once you're out. there that nature doesn't give a [ __ ] if. you make it. >> No. [laughter]. >> Doesn't care. >> at all. >> No. >> As it's heartless, completely oblivious. to your desire to stay alive. It's not. interested in what you want to do at. all. >> Nope. Nope. Not at all. It's ambivalent. And. >> but that's also part of the beauty of. it, right?

>> Yeah. >> When you're out there, >> especially if you take yourself. seriously. >> Yeah. you're out there, you're like, "Oh, I ain't shit." [laughter]. It'll it'll test you. >> Yeah. When you're writing a a thing like. 1823, like you're doing all this. research and you read the the diaries. from your you said your. great-grandmother. Is that right? >> Like great great grandmother. >> Did you uh did you ever think like. putting some of those letters online so. other people can read them? >> No.

There's plenty of there's there's any. number of published books of very. similar journals. >> I know. But it' be kind of dope for. people to read about your great great. grandmother. >> Yeah. And nothing happened, right? Like. it sucked. It was cold. We had freaking. whatever weird [ __ ] they had for dinner. that night and you know so and so was. rude and you know it was this and we you. know we stopped in this beautiful valley. and it was hard to get across the river. and I was scared and you know but no. attacks no it was pretty uneventful.

>> They got lucky. >> It's just it's interesting just as a. window into time. >> Yes. you know. >> Well, what's interesting really is how. well written the journal was. >> Right. Cuz everyone. >> was very educated. >> Was better educated. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. And. Yeah. That's that's weird, right? When. you read like Civil War letters and. you're like, why are these guys so. [ __ ] smart? >> I have letters from my grandfather who. died in World War II. Love letters from. him to his to my grandmother. um years.

of them cuz you know he they listed in. 1941 and and then went off and became a. he they flew a I guess it was the B19. flew a bomber um and uh yeah and wrote. all these letters to her um yeah and I. have all those and they're just. magnificent. just the way that people would. just be so eloquent in a letter to you.

know your wife. >> Yeah. My beloved, they would write. things like that. >> Yeah. >> It is weird like the deterioration of. our ability to express ourselves, the. common person's ability to express. themselves. Like you wouldn't have expected that. back then. I bet if you could tell. people about the future, you go, "Oh, you're going to have the answer to any. question on your phone. You have a small. device in your pocket. It's also acts as. a flashlight. You're going to be able to. pick that thing up and ask it anything. you want and in instantaneously it's.

going to give you a result. Like, oh, people must be brilliant. No, no, they're half [ __ ] because they. didn't learn anything, >> right? >> Right. You can ask a machine, the. machine's done all the learning. You. just get an answer that you didn't earn. >> Right. >> That's the word. >> Earn. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Just like equity. The problem with. equity is you didn't earn it. Yeah, >> the problem with uh having the same. results as everybody else when you don't. put the same effort. People in the 1800s.

often spent blocks of time, typically. one to three hours at a stretch on. letterw writing and heavy correspondence. could easily spend several hours most. days. Wow. Most people treated. correspondence as a regular daily or. weekly task similar to a modern email. block excepting that it would be take a. significant chunk of their time. Wow. [snorts]. I mean, how important was the [ __ ]. mailman back then? >> Everything.

>> The guy was everything. >> Everything. >> Some dude on a horse with a [ __ ] bag. of letters. [laughter]. >> Nuts. >> For a quarter. I mean, how much did they. charge? A quarter was a lot of money. back then. Probably was less than that. >> Yeah, probably half a penny or something. if they had a Well, they did have a half. penny. Do how much do you enjoy writing. that kind of a show versus writing a. show like Lioness or like Land Man? Like. what what is your Do you have a favorite. or do you like all of them? >> No, I I I can't say I I have a I have a.

favorite necessarily. You know, the fun. thing about Lionus, which is sort of. I can't say it's ripped from the. headlines because I don't I I've tried. to be um. I've tried to guess what's going to. happen politically and then fictionalize. that. Um and the fact that I've managed. to be right. [ __ ] wild. I thought surely in season. two when I. when I when I said that the cartels had.

been listed as terrorist organizations, I'm like this this could be my 18-month. cancel vacation coming. Um and then it. [ __ ] happened [laughter] and then it. came out and you know the show came out. within weeks of that and and I looked I. looked really. >> like a soothsayer. >> Yeah. Um, so that it it's a lot of fun. because it's so political and and it's. not it doesn't choose a political side. It just looks at the the trade craft of. espionage and and how it's it's.

intermingles with our military and and. and it's just fascinating [ __ ] to me. Just fascinating. >> But there's so many different things. that you have to be aware of to write. the [ __ ] that you write, you know? Like. um is the Harrison Ford one 1923? Is. that what it is? That one is. fascinating, too, because you got the. guy who goes off to Africa and, you. know, and he comes back and you got all. these people that are trying to steal. land. So, it's not totally lawless, but. it's on the border of lawlessness. >> Yeah. You're you're you're watching, you. know, Montana in the 20s was.

fascinating. is a fascinating place. because you've got the 20th century of. the industrial revolution in full swing. >> and you have washing machines and. refrigerators and telephones and. electricity and then you still. >> you're still traveling by horseback, right? Um so it very very interesting. and so so that that's a really fun thing. to explore, right? >> That one dude who was the evil rich guy. on that show he killed it. Tim. >> Oh my god. That's right. Tim Dalton.

>> who was Bond at one point in time, right? Yeah. Crazy. >> Yes. Yeah. >> My god, does he play a good [ __ ]. creep. >> Twisted. >> So good. >> Yeah. >> I forgot that it was Tim Dalton. That's. how good it was. >> Yeah. My wife watched that and looked at. me like, "How'd you think that [ __ ] up, dude?" [laughter] Like, I got the side. eye for There's a couple of scenes where. she's like, "Bro, what are you. thinking?". >> Yeah, there's a couple scenes I wondered. myself. I was like, "This is rough." I. was like I was like that's evil.

>> Some of the SNM stuff was like she's. pretty twisted. >> But there's people like that in the. world. >> 100%. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I had to re I'll tell you what my. my computer I just assume that the CIA. and FBI have like a whole team because. the [ __ ] I look up when I'm researching. like how to make a bomb SNM practice. [laughter]. CIA hot regions in the Middle East and. it's all at once, right? >> Yeah. Yeah, there's no way they're not. looking at your phone.

>> No, they're looking at it going, "Uh, Taylor's writing something new. Look at. this.". >> I think anybody that has any influence, they probably look at your [ __ ] no. matter what anyway, which is also dark. Like, we don't even know how much actual. real spying on people is occurring. We're just guessing. >> No, we don't have any idea. Um, I think. within the world of tradecraftraft, a. tremendous amount. >> Oh, yeah. I think within the world of I. mean within that world I think it's. >> how when you're writing that how. difficult is it to really keep your.

finger on the pulse of what's actually. going on with espionage and like what. tools they actually have available. like are you making some up? >> No, I mean most of the I mean I'm sure. there is some extremely high tech trade. craft going on right for sure. um. tracking devices and various things, satellite imagery, facial recognition, all of these things. But a lot of it's. also very low tech by it by design. because it's harder to it's harder to.

trace, right? Um and and it's a lot of. leverage and manipulation. Uh you're. either bribing someone with money or. blackmailing them. And that's typically. those those are the two tools that that. are being used the most um in tradecraft. and in and the spy game, right? That's. really you you're it's leverage. leveraging individuals and they're all. doing it. >> everybody, right? every single and then.

if you look at some of the and again I'm. not getting on any. completely apolitical but. from a trade craft standpoint what the. MSAD was able to do with all those. [ __ ] cell phones and pagers and [ __ ]. like you want to talk about play the. long game. >> like build this dummy company sell all. these get all these devices to all of. these people who are your enemy and then. start setting them off years later to. detonate.

>> Insanity. >> I mean, it's genius. It really is. >> insanity. >> Not endorsing it, but just saying, >> no, but if. >> the actual act of doing it. >> to look at the patience and the planning. and the risks and and that that they. were able to execute. that is is shocking. >> When you saw that in the news, did you. think if I wrote that, no one would. [ __ ] buy it? Dude, I do that all the. time with the news. [laughter].

>> The Maduro rate, if I had written that, >> right? >> No one would. No. >> Right. They'd be like, "That's too. simple. The [ __ ] out of here." Somehow. it goes down. >> Yeah. >> Even the bin Laden raid a helicopter. crashed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The fact that they were able to. and I know it wasn't as as smooth as it. was led on to be, but the fact that no. one died, not an American in invading. the Venezuelan military base in the. middle of Caracus. It's [ __ ] insane.

>> It seems like it went pretty smooth. Do. you think it went less smooth than. they're saying? I'm sure that there's. elements of like I'm sure right I don't. know how many the one thing I've learned. with all my research into the military. is any of these operations there's. there's a there's actually a line in in. the upcoming line is where someone says. did it go smooth and the the guy says. well smooth as these things go right. because that's because just by the very. nature you start sticking a bunch of. people in helicopters with guns and you. know shit's going to happen right um but.

the fact that there were no casualties. that no one was killed, no American was. killed is incredible. >> Yeah, it is incredible. It's pretty. groundbreaking. Like this is like a new. benchmark for what could be possible in. terms of an invasion at least of a third. world country. It's just shocking the. difference in the technology that the. United States possessed versus them. Well, >> and whether or not they were even. available that no knew rather that that. stuff was available. >> Yeah, war is going to change very very.

quickly. um. with drones, AI and and drones are going. to alter the landscape of war. Um we're. g we're getting real close to some. Terminator [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> And I'm not saying that like it's a good. thing. >> No. >> Um it it's a it's a it's a very very You. talk about adolescence of of us as a as. a species. We're seeing an adolescence. in the teenage years of new a new type.

of warfare. And and when it grows up, it. is going to be a beast. A beast. And I've just think about it. You You. can, you know, now they've got drones. that are the size of airplanes. They can. have a payload that is devastating, right? Beyond just simply a predator. drone that's got a couple hellfire. missiles or whatever it may have. Um, and someone sitting in a ConX in the. desert in Nevada can fly that thing. halfway around the world. Or don't have.

anyone fly it. Pre-program it and the. thing flies itself. And that's you give give the drone a. mission and send the drone off to do the. mission and it's fully automated. >> Yeah, >> that's some terrifying [ __ ]. >> I bet a lot that's a lot of what this. UAP [ __ ] is too. I bet it's. experimenting with that type of. technology with some sort of a novel. propulsion system because they were. working on novel propulsion systems way. back in the 50s and the 60s. >> They were working on anti-gravity in the.

60s. >> I don't think I don't think we're there. >> I don't know. >> I don't think we're there. >> I don't know. I don't know where we're. at. >> I don't either. >> I don't know where we're at, but I'm not. convinced. I'm not convinced that they. haven't done something. In fact, Eric. Weinstein makes some really interesting. um connections between there's a college. in upstate New York, a university in. upstate New York that has a very. overqualified physics department and. it's connected to a hedge fund that does. bigger than Bernie Maidoff type numbers.

And he's like, "The whole thing stinks. to high heaven." and he goes, "And I. have a feeling that there's some sort of. an undisclosed or a top secret above, you know, top secret access program. that's going on.". >> Oh, I can promise you there's something. >> Yeah. >> I've always thought. a possible. solution to petroleum as far as. transportation goes, and I wonder why. they've never tried it, is is using. magnetic force.

Right? If you have [sighs]. you take a positive and negative charge. and you they're going to come together. But if you take a positive and positive. or negative negative, they're going to. I'm no [ __ ] scientist, but you know, it's going to repel, right? We've taken. magnets and they push each other away. Well, how can how can we not use that if. you had. a vehicle and the base of it is. essentially a positive charge or a. negative, whatever it takes to make the. magnets repel. And then your road base.

was essentially. the similarly charged metal. Wouldn't. that wouldn't that make it so much? >> Wouldn't you have to redo all the roads. >> to make something like that real. >> or or put it in the road? >> Yeah, maybe. I mean, it certainly could. be a potential source of transportation. for the future. But I think the things. that they're doing now probably relates. to some sort of anti-gravity propulsion. system. And um then there was that, you. know, I'm sure you're aware of this. All.

those scientists that went missing or. wound up being murdered. >> Yeah, dude. >> How [ __ ] sketchy is that? >> Oh, it's a coincidence. >> From Los Alamos all up there at the. nuclear Yeah. >> coincidence. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Who knows? I mean, who knows what the. [ __ ] those people are working on and. whether or not they made breakthroughs. and they don't want other people to know. or whether or not they want to stop the. breakthrough because they're aligned. with whatever the conventional. propulsion systems are and they don't. want to lose money. This thing makes.

them obsolete. They get set back to. science for a few years. >> or tradecraft is it is it Russian or. Chinese or Iranian that Yeah. Oh, sure. And that's the other thing that. Weinstein was saying is like it's really. shocking how little these incredibly. important scientists are protected. >> Yeah. >> They're just [ __ ] driving their Volvo. to the university and working on top. secret [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> And no one's making sure they don't get. whacked by China. >> Yeah. Yeah. I' I'd be curious.

and when they look into that, what was. it 11 of them in a year? >> 15 over a course of a few years. And. some of them people are not they're. going this could be coincidence. But. there's a few of them where it's like. okay these people like this lady was. specifically working on spacecraft. metallurgy. This guy was specifically. working on cold fusion. This guy was. specifically like there's a bunch of. them where you go okay. >> something's weird. Something's weird. here. >> Yeah.

>> Enough to the fact that the government's. looking into it. They're like okay there. might be something here. So the justice. department's investigating it. They're. trying to figure out what the connection. is and what could have happened. But. it's, you know, it's hard after the fact. to try to figure out who did something, especially if somebody got hired from. another country. Like, they're not going. to tell you. Like, how are you going to. know? You didn't catch him. Did you not. catch him when they killed the guy? Okay. Well, you're probably [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's It's. 15.

>> Yeah. >> And they're all from that area, aren't. they? Los Alamos around. >> I don't know. I'm not sure. I think. that's part of the problem. It's like. there's whenever you have a thing like. this where people start looking for. connections, they can make some. connections that aren't necessarily. valid. And so like let's say if there's. 15, let's say 10 of them, 10 of them are. [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> That means five aren't [ __ ] If you. know if that's true, that's a lot. It's. five super [ __ ] brilliant people that. got whacked. >> Yeah. And it's it's interesting that.

you'd have that many in this specific. field in this period of time. >> Yeah. and and they're not, you know, you I. would think of a scientist as being. pretty [ __ ] healthy, right? And. >> I don't know about that. I think a lot of them are just in their. own head, you know, and they're probably. not even paying attention to their body. >> Did they all disappear? >> Different people died from different. things. And one of one of the weirder. ones was this one lady who was uh I. think she's the metallergy lady where.

she was hiking with her friend and uh. they were just hiking together and the. friend turned around to talk to her and. she was gone and she was just behind her. like 30 seconds before they couldn't. find her. They brought in cadaavver. dogs. They brought in search parties. Never found her. And I think they might. have found her body recently. They see. they found I think there was a report a. few days ago that they might have found. her body. I'd be I'd be looking real close at the. friend. Just that's [laughter] just me. That's just me. >> as a guy who writes scripts.

>> Hey, so so me and Joe went for a hike. I. turned around. That fucker's gone. >> Hey, I don't know where I looked. everywhere. >> I mean, I swear I had just talked to him. 30 seconds ago. >> and he's he's just not there. I don't. know. >> No sign of struggle. It's weird. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Like a husband and wife go hiking. and the lady falls off the cliff. They're like, "Hey, buddy.". >> Yeah. >> What the [ __ ] happened? You guys. arguing? Can I see your text messages? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Or the one that just fell off the. boat. >> Oh, what happened there? >> Uh I I I don't want to say it wrong, but.

I think she I think. it was out in the Bahamas. >> I read about it. She She. >> Was it a cruise ship one? >> No, no, no. It was him and his lady and. they're out on a sailboat or something. and. >> Oh, she whoop off the side. >> Yeah, he had to Yeah. Something. something weird. >> Well, go they're not buying it. >> Goes all the way back to the Natalie. Wood story. You ever look into that one? >> Oh, yeah. That's right. >> Her and Walkin and Robert Wagner on. that. >> Yeah. And Robert Wagner and her had a.

big fight apparently. >> And then she just. >> Whoops. >> Yep. >> Not the same person as the Metallergy. >> Oh, which one is this lady? But she was. one of the scientists, correct? >> Uh, >> I believe she was one of the missing. scientists. >> She was definitely missing for a year. Which one was she? >> I mean, I don't know what I don't know. which ones are. >> what was her specialty. >> Doesn't she's missing lab worker? >> Does it say what she worked on? >> Nope.

>> No, administrative assistant. Yeah, I. remember this lady. Yeah. >> The other one was uh her name is. Reza. And the RESA one that lady she was. the one that has the uh so she served as. a director of NA uh NASA Jet Propulsion. Laboratory and she was in the materials. processing group. She se specialized in. burn resistant high strength metal. alloys and rocket propulsion metals and.

wasn't she one that had like a we some. weird videos what she had made? >> I don't know. Anyway, [clears throat]. the whole thing's creepy as [ __ ]. >> Wow. And she was hiking in the Angeles. National Forest. >> Yeah. >> Outside of Pasadena. >> Yeah. >> That could actually just be a [ __ ]. mountain line. >> It could be, >> you know, >> or it could be a lady who's working on. top secret rocket propulsion [ __ ].

metals. >> And like this lady's a problem. >> Wasn't there some some town? I want to. say it's Arcadia in California. They the. the the mayor of that city. >> Yeah. Yeah. Arcadia. >> Yeah, she was a Chinese spy. [laughter]. >> I would have to think if you're if. you've rec How many people have you. recruited that you finally go, "Well, [ __ ] it. Let's try and get the mayor of. Arcadia. We got We got everybody else.". >> Yeah. They probably like worked her into. position to run as mayor, you know? I.

mean, >> and then and then with the hopes of she. was relatively young, right? Um, maybe. you go run for a state rep and then you. run for Congress and. >> be the [ __ ] president. >> There was uh there was a thing in the. 70s called ABSCAM. Do you remember this? >> Yeah. >> Where there were all of these. politicians, a few congressmen, some state reps, uh, and they were all like Russian spies or. or at least on the take. >> Right. >> Right. All of them Soviet.

>> Soviet spies. >> Did you ever see that show with the. Americans? >> Uh-uh. I didn't either, but I heard it. was great. It was all about sleeper cell. Russian family that was pretending to be. normal. >> Yeah, that's fascinating. >> Yeah, that's real. They did that. They. really had Russian agents pretending to. be American citizens. >> Oh, I wouldn't say had. I would say have. >> Oh, yeah. No. Yeah, I think you're. right. Yeah. And Chinese. Yeah, for. sure. >> For sure. >> 100%. [snorts]. >> Yeah. >> No, plenty of them. >> 100%.

>> Yeah. >> Boy, how many Israeli agents are in. Hezbollah or in Hamas? Like probably. >> or in the IRGC. >> Yeah, probably. They probably got a. bunch of those guys in there. >> 100%. >> Yeah, it's just wild. [laughter]. >> [ __ ] it's tradecraftraft, man. That's. a [ __ ] whole other thing. >> How hard is it to write about that stuff. and like get it right to get it. accurate? >> I mean, you. I don't know. You You speculate a lot. and you look at at the past, right? Because there's been enough. It's funny.

because when they get caught never it's. never that big a deal. Like there always. some uh it it doesn't for whatever. reason the the news doesn't. there's we could pull it up. There's. been any number of Chinese scientists. over here and they were stealing this. and they caught doing this. It happens. all the time. >> Um. >> see the ones that got caught trying to. bring in bio they were they're trying to. bring in. >> but what were they trying to bring in? Diseases or something something? I think. I was looking there's another one in. Vegas recently, but [cough] it's like. they [clears throat] have these bolabs.

that are like being run out of like an. apartment or something. >> CCP linked bolabs in American soil. exposes major bio security gaps. Policy. makers must act to improve oversight and. biological research activity. Wasn't. there a guy that got busted that was an. Israeli agent and he got released and he. took. >> That's the one I think was in Vegas. I. was pull that up. >> That's the one in Vegas. Yeah. So this. guy, he had all these [ __ ] diseases. in his garage. >> 1,200 samples. [laughter].

>> That's. conclusion the conclusion of the FBI lab. that the community could not be harmed. by what was contained in that lab. What? Finding possible biological laboratory. in a garage. Inside, investigators found. refrigerators with vials containing. unknown liquids. police said in the. immediate aftermath, the home is also. operated as an unlicensed short-term. rental. [laughter]. What is this [ __ ] guy doing? Why? So,

the qu go up up. Yeah. So, the question. is, why does somebody have this. materials in a private residence? It's. not a doctor, not a lab, not a licensed. medical facility of any sort. And then. Homeboy got released. >> Yeah, but check out the names on some of. the vials. >> Oh boy. They located pathogenlabeled. containers with labels such as denge. fever, HIV, and malaria along with a. thousand mice or according to a federal. report. Federal government never tested.

the items and the CDC only made its. determination based on the labeling. What? What the [ __ ]. So in that case, Chinese citizen David. He faces federal charges for allegedly. manufacturing and distributing. misbranded medical devices. >> He does not face charges. >> He does not face charges connected to. the Las Vegas raid and a trial in. California was scheduled for April. What.

the [ __ ]. Just a bunch of vials of HIV and AIDS. and [ __ ] deni fever and malaria. No. worries. >> Jesus. >> Normal. >> So, what was the Israeli guy? The guy. who owned the lab. There was a like an. Israeli guy who they caught who own and. then they released him and he went back. to Israel and everybody's like, "Hey, [laughter]. >> what?". >> That's the same case. I think it says. feds drop case against man arrested in.

Las Vegas Bolab investigation. >> What's his name? >> Ory Solomon. >> Oh, Oie. What were you doing? Ary, Ary, why do you have the HIV? Aie, there he. is. [laughter] Fed's dropped case. against man arrested in Las Vegas Bolab. investigation. Yeah, I mean, why. investigate? Let it go, guys. No big deal. >> He had he was only charged with illegal. possession of a firearm in Nevada. [laughter].

>> His immigration status precluded him. from owning or possessing a gun. Well, listen, if he doesn't have a gun, how. the [ __ ] is he going to defend all his. malaria? People try to steal malaria, bro. Got to be careful. >> Oh boy. >> Yeah, it just doesn't seems like someone. made that go. >> There's too much [ __ ] [ __ ] in the. world to pay attention to and too much. of it is so disheartening. The more you. look into it, the more you're like, is. it all [ __ ] Is the whole world. [ __ ] Like, what is going on?

and and and. my guess is. because there are so many different two. things, right? There's so many different. there's no secrets with the internet and. social media and phones. Shit's getting. out, but it's also getting out at such a. volume that none of it seems to have an. impact. >> Right. Right. >> Just so much. >> Right. >> Think about that in the 1990s. >> Right. They're talking about that on. Night Line and this and that and Meet. the Press and Chinese spy. That's an.

Israeli, you know. >> Uhhuh. >> That's news. But now it's just another. >> the news cycle of flood. It's like you. you you drop a rose petal in the river. while floods going by. Like it's gone. >> Yeah. >> It's here. It's gone. >> And it's a sensory overload. And. >> Mhm. >> And and people are tuning it all out. >> They're tuning it all out also because. nothing ever gets done. and nothing. happens. And the more people like that. get released, the more people like Ah, they throw their [clears throat] hands. in there. They'd rather just.

>> watch sports. >> Yeah. Yeah. Just forget about it. >> Yeah. >> Well, >> I can't believe Simon Sushu didn't send. you my book. >> Yeah. Well, I don't know what happened, but I'll listen to it on audio tape. I'm. glad you did the audio tape, though. >> Yeah, >> that's important. >> Yeah. Pull up the You're going to. [ __ ] love it. It's. It's oddly entertaining and informative. >> How did you have the time to write a. book? >> So, what So, >> you're writing 150 different TV shows.

>> So, so you know what it is? Do you know. anything about it? >> No. >> Pull it up. I just want to I'm going to. try and I don't even want to tell you. what it's called. I just want you to see. the title. >> How to not die in prison. [laughter]. >> I told you you're gonna like it. >> So, here's the So, so here's the deal. Um, so when I lived in LA, there was a gym. on Beverly Boulevard right at like. Beverly and Sweetzer and everybody. called it Buns on Beverly because they.

had all the the the treadmills kind of. right up there and all the girls are. there and if you get stuck in traffic, you're staring at all their asses. And. that was my gym. So me and a buddy of. mine shared an apartment together and. we'd jog down there and work out every. day. And there was this dude that showed. up and started working out in there and. this dude was jacked but different than. like the West Hollywood fit. Like this. [ __ ] was yolked and had all these. crazy tattoos on him and and we became. kind of like friendly and [snorts] uh.

and ended up kind of becoming friends. and his name's Tom Nelson. And one day. I'm like so uh what have you been doing? He goes, "Well, you know, I'm just start. a personal train I'm going to start. personal training here." I was working. over at the vitamin shop. guy's like in. his 40s. Like vitamin shop in your 40s? That's kind of weird. And I said, 'Yeah. Um, have you always lived in uh. California? He's like, "Well, I've been. here. 19 years." 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. I said, "Where you from?" "Somewhere in the. southeast." I said, "You always live in.

LA." He goes, "Well, no, I just got to. LA." "See, I've been in prison." I said, "Oh, how long?" "17 years." I said, "Oh." And. I didn't ask anything else, right? He. does become a personal trainer and I'd. see him over one day we have lunch and. we're bullshitting and I'm like, "What? What? What? Tell me the deal." He's. like, "Oh, I was a [ __ ] criminal, dude. Like a criminal. Like a real. criminal. Like biggest drug dealer in in. Hollywood and armed robbery and ran over.

a DEA agent. Like I was a [ __ ]. criminal. But now I've, you know, when I. was in, I I I discovered, you know, fitness. I started working out and I'm. like when I get out I'm gonna, you know, he got himself in good shape. I'm going. to start this is my passion. I'm going. to do this. So, he was a trainer there. for a while and then he opened his own. personal training gym and uh and I would. go work out over there and hang out with. him. He's a cool [ __ ] dude. And uh. and it became the biggest private. training gym in independent in.

Hollywood. So, I go off and I I uh you know, I. start writing and uh I'm shooting. Yellowstone and he reaches out and he. goes, "Hey, I wrote a movie about my. life. I'm going to send it to you." So, he sends it to me and I read it and it's. actually pretty good. Um but it's sort. of a fun '9s kind of they don't make. movies like this anymore. It's like we. it's The Rock, but we're celebrating the. you know, the guy the [ __ ] criminal. But it was but it was good. But I said,

"Hey, I'll pass it on to some. producers." And but nothing ever. happened with it. Anyway, so COVID. happens. I'm stuck up on this ranch in. Montana and I call him and I say, "Tom, where do you get your gym equipment. from? Cuz I need to build a gym cuz we. can't go to a gym. I can't leave the. ranch. COVID restrictions. The whole. [ __ ] cast is stuck on that ranch.". And and he said, "They shut my gym down, dude. So, I mean, I'll sell you anything. you want." So I I sent a flatbed trailer. to LA and picked up a pile of jib.

equipment from him and. didn't hear from him again. He calls me. maybe 18 months ago, two years, and I. and I answer and he's like, "Hey man, I'm in a bad way." I'm like, "What's the. deal?" He goes, "Fucking I got he's a. single father. I got a 5-year-old kid. I. got [ __ ] colon cancer. I'm [ __ ]. dying and I don't I'm I'm tapped out, dude. I'm a [ __ ] 60-y old felon. I. can't get a job. but can't do anything. Is there any work on your movies or or.

anything that I could do? And I said, "Well, first colon cancer. How bad? Like, what stage? What's this?" He goes, "I don't know." They saw it on an X-ray. and diagnosed me. And I said, "Well, let's deal with that [ __ ] first." So, I. fly him to Texas where I know people and. I get him in and he sees a doctor and. fortunately the mass wasn't cancer. So. they they help him out, do the surgery, get that done. And then I say, "Well, I. mean, I get you a job in a movie, but it.

doesn't pay very good, and the hours are. [ __ ] and you've got a 5-year-old. daughter. I mean, you you know, to just. be a production assistant or something. is not going to pay enough to off it's. it's not a great that's not a plan, right?" He goes, "You think you could. like just spot me for a few months while. I try and figure [ __ ] out?" And I said, "I have a 100% failure rate of loaning. money to friends. It doesn't work, right? I'm not a bank and and buying you. 90 days ain't going to [ __ ] help.". Said, "But let me think. Let me think of. something." And so [sighs].

it doesn't take me very long. And I'm. and I'm thinking, here's a guy who spent. 17 years in prison. And. you know what? I've never read I've. never read a how to not [ __ ] die, a. travel guide to prison. So I call him. back and I go, I got it, Tom. We're. going to write a book about my life kind. of. We're going to write a travel guide. to prison for the accidental inmate,

right? Somebody who [ __ ] up and they. end up and they don't know how to. navigate this place. He goes, "A travel. guide?" I said, "I'm going to send you.". So, I bought a bunch of Lonely Planet. Travel Guide to Thailand and Mexico and. and I said, "Look at these." Right? It. breaks it down. It tells you an overview. of the country. Then, it gives you a. glossery of the terms. They teach you. the language. They talk about the food. They talk about where you stay. They. talk about navigating the country. We're. going to do that for for prison. And he goes, "I'm in." I said, "Great. I'm going to write all the intros. I'll.

build the structure and and walk you. through it and you're gonna So, it's. literally a travel guide to prison and. it walks you through day one, how to. navigate the yard, being processed in, the food, the commissary, the gangs, the. diseases, prison riots, how to get a job. in there, how to [ __ ] make a shiv, how to everything. >> Whoa. >> It's a It is a tour guide to prison. >> How many pages? >> Couple hundred.

It sounds awesome. >> It's the greatest. >> I hope I never need it. No. >> Well, most people who read it hope they. never need it. >> I'm going to guess 99% of the people who. do read it, the one thing it'll do is. tell you you don't ever want to [ __ ]. go there. That's for sure, right? And. typically if someone's going there, I. even say in the intro, I'm like, if. you're if you're buying this book. because you're going to prison, finish. the book before you get to prison. Do. not bring this book with you to prison. or you'll die on [ __ ] day one. leave the book at home. But yeah, so so.

then we did I took the we we wrote three. chapters of it. I took it out um and. Simon Schuster read it, flipped and me. and Tom got a book deal. So. >> that's awesome. >> So he, you know, he he he was able to. sit with me and we wrote it and he was. able to take care of his kid. And. >> that's very cool. >> Yeah. >> Good for you, man, for doing that. That's really awesome that you did that. >> because I know you're busy as [ __ ] like. you having another project on your. plate. Not Not fun probably. That's.

awesome. >> That one was a lot of fun, right? >> Yeah. But not fun to take something else. on. I mean, I'm sure you're. >> Yeah. But it was it was it was a very. entertaining diversion from, you know, from my other, you know, I can [ __ ]. about my other job, right? [ __ ] about. something on Land Man or whatever. And. then, you know, I'm going to sit down. and, oh, we're writing about smallox. today. Okay. There's there's some. perspective. It's not It's not quite so. bad that Billy Bob is an hour late to. work, which he's never an hour late to.

work, but but you get my point. But. >> yeah, it's a sobering thing. It's a It's. It's a. That's a broken system. You won't talk. about a broken [ __ ] system. >> Yeah. >> The prison system from the Alabama. Solution on, >> you know, the guy who did that. documentary on Alabama prison system. It's [ __ ] heartbreaking, man. Heartbreaking. I used to [sighs]. be roommates with the guy that edited. all of those locked up. He would go and. film those locked up. You remember.

those? >> Yeah. >> Go to Falsam and Corkerin and all these. prisons. Just Dude, it's tell. >> rough. And and not designed to. rehabilitate, right? All it's an. institution that guarantees you're a. criminal when you come out. That's what. you'll be. If you weren't a criminal. when you went in, which you clearly. committed a crime and got convicted, but. you're going to be a [ __ ] criminal. when you come out. >> Like the people the guys like Tom. >> who I mean there's an 80s something%. recidivism rate in the US. So for a guy.

to get out of prison and not go back to. prison, the odds are [ __ ] four to one. against you. Like it's. >> at least. >> Yeah. >> It's probably higher than that, right? I. think it's 80 something 80 something% 86. 80 Yeah. >> [ __ ]. >> Yeah, it's brutal. It's brutal. >> Well, I'm glad you wrote it. >> I'll read it. I I promise I'm going to. listen to it. I'll listen to it in the.

sauna. >> There you go. [laughter]. >> Uh, thanks for everything, man. Thanks. for all the awesome shows. It's been. great watching them, >> dude. Thanks for watching. >> You're the man. >> Appreciate you. I appreciate the guy. >> We have time to talk about one more. thing. >> Sure. that UFC 250. >> Oh, man. Yeah, >> Justin Gai, dude. >> Yeah, I just had him on. >> Yeah, I know. It's incredible. >> I saw him. Remember when I bumped into. you at that fight in Vegas? That's the. first time I'd seen him live. And I go. to a bunch of prize fights. I love.

boxing. And I'm watching that guy. If he. had decided to be a professional boxer, he would his striking is is that level. like that dude, he went to work on that. guy. >> No, he's a man. I'm glad he's a MMA. fighter because he started out as an. all-American wrestler and division one. He's like very he's a just a great. athlete all across the board and just. his particular style of aggression is so.

well suited for MMA. >> Oh yeah. >> It's just. >> it's shocking that he's that good a. striker and he was a wrestler. >> I know. He's he's just a wild. [ __ ] like across the board. But. for him to pull that off the way he did. at the White House. >> was nuts. I mean his some books had him. at six to1 underdog. >> and Iliot is so [ __ ] good. He's so. good. And he had him in sick trouble in. that second round. Let's I watched it. again yesterday. The second round was.

brutal. I mean Iliot was just destroying. his liver. >> Yeah. Almost put him down. >> Yeah. But even in the second round, Justin was he still bloodied Ilia up. His face was busted up. Like he was. getting the most damage to Ilia's face. And that was a giant factor in the fight. cuz I don't know if what the accuracy of. these reports are, but what's being. reported is that he had two broken. orbital bones and a broken nose. So both. his eyes were broken and his nose was. broken. And Justin was here a couple.

days later and he looked great. >> It's just nuts. It's just like he's very. deceptively good at rolling with shots. and, you know, he's [ __ ] durable as. hell and just. very clever. Very clever in how he sets. things up and where where he finds. openings. And one of the things he kept. getting off is this. He does like he. does a collar tie into an uppercut and. he got that off. >> multiple shots. He did that with Phys, too. He's really good with that move.

He's a beast, man. I'm I'm just so happy. for him to win. You know, I'm a giant Iliot fan as well. and I think he'll be back better than. ever. And uh I think sometimes a loss is. like one of the most important things a. fighter can ever have because they. realize like you can be beat and you. need to know that you're a human. You. need to know that you you can't just. throw caution to the wind sometimes and. just engage in these wild scraps. Sometimes you be you have to be a little. bit more tactical and sometimes you got. to realize like you can't take everybody.

out and and that's the case with Justin. They couldn't take him out and he almost. did in the second round. Got real. [ __ ] close. Real close. >> But you know. >> that that freaking Justin he he can time. >> that transfer of power to right at the. end of the punch. >> and just his hands are so heavy. >> Yeah. Everybody says that too. Everybody. who who he's fought has said he's one of. the hardest guys that that's ever hit. them, including Kabib, who's, you know, one of the all-time greats. Said Justin. hit him harder than anybody.

>> Yeah, he's a [ __ ] animal. >> Yeah, it was impressive, man. >> And the fight was like to be there at. the White House while that was going on. and to have Justin so happy. Like. there's something about a guy winning. who's an underdog that is just so. [ __ ] inspiring. >> He didn't look like an underdog that. night. >> No, he did. Not after the second round. He didn't. Especially the third. Once. the third rolled around, he dropped him. and then he he he uh got a head and arm. and snatched him down to the ground. I. was like, "Holy [ __ ] man. He's. >> he's [ __ ] dominating him. This is. crazy." Yeah,

>> it was wild. Wild to watch. >> It was wild. >> It was awesome, though. >> It was fantastic. >> Should have been there live, >> man. That would have been a good one. >> Oh, it was crazy. It was crazy to be. there live. It just felt surreal. I. mean, they had a fly over. They all. together. >> Eight jets come shooting over, >> bro. They were like separated by like. that far from each other. I don't know. how the [ __ ] those guys do that. It was. incredible. >> Incredible. >> Incredible. >> Yeah, that was awesome. >> Thanks, brother. Once again, the book is. called How to Not Die in Prison. >> Yeah. >> And uh available now, audio book,

everything. >> Yep. >> Thank [music] you. >> Awesome, buddy. Thank you. >> Bye, everybody. [music]. [laughter]. [music].