Joe Rogan Experience #2514 - Cameron Hanes

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> Hello camera. We can use headphones. Oh, no. We don't need them. >> Okay. >> We don't What? Whatever you do. >> We have to wear your sweet hat. I don't. want to [ __ ] it up. There you go. >> Just got it. Look, we got an American. flag. We got a skull. We got camo. What. the [ __ ] else do you want? Are you. American or not? >> Oh, nice, dude. You're all in for 250.

The 250th anniversary. >> It's also the only socks I brought on. this trip somehow. So, I wear them every. day now. >> You only brought one pair or one style? >> No. One pair of socks and no underwear. >> Oh god. I've done that before. We have. to wash your socks in the sink. >> with shampoo with hotel shampoo. >> and then wear them when they're wet. >> And it's like I went on a run here. It. is muggy. >> Oh yeah, baby. >> Sweating my ass off. >> That's the fear of this weekend at the. UFC. Um [clears throat] cuz it's east. coast it gets very muggy.

>> in DC. So these guys are all working out. outside right now. I saw video of Aean. Zahabi working out outside and Ilia. Tapori is working out outside and. >> you know you have to feel that that. heavy heavy air. It changes things. >> Oh yeah man. I remember when I was a kid. I went to the Olympic training center in. Colorado Springs. >> I see those thunderstorms dude. >> Oh yeah. We're [ __ ]. >> [ __ ] There is a a canopy that's over. the cage. They put a canopy over the. cage. >> Well, if lightning hits that, that's not. good.

>> Well, if it hits the canopy, I think. we're okay. [laughter]. >> I mean, >> I think I'm more worried about a. terrorist attack than I am [ __ ]. lightning. >> No, that's true. >> But I probably should be more worried. about lightning. Um I actually have. friends that have been hit by lightning. We do. Remy Remy got hit by lightning. >> Yeah, for sure. >> So, I know that was full. >> I don't know anybody's been hit by a. terrorist attack. >> Got hit the other day, I think, >> by lightning. It was Yeah, we had you. crazy storms here, you know. >> You playing golf? >> No, but I was outside. I thought the. storm was over and I was out on my. balcony and I was like, "Wow, this is.

cool.". >> Oh, that's not a good spot to be. >> One hit. [laughter]. I'm 500 ft in the sky. I'm already up. there and then it it hit and I started. hearing sizzling near me. I'm like, "Holy [ __ ] I got to get inside. I'm. >> like electricity sizzling. >> What the [ __ ] is that? Where is it? >> Oh my god, that's so scary. That's such. a [ __ ] up way to go." Do you ever see. that one video where the guy is walking. down the street and he gets hit by. lightning? He wakes up, walks down the. street a little bit further. He's. recovering and he gets hit again. >> Dude got hit by lightning twice in like. I don't know if it's time lapse or what. I don't know how long he was out for cuz.

it's like one of those ring cams that. catches him. [laughter]. >> This guy got [ __ ] cooked twice. >> You know you're having a bad day. >> I forget what Remy said happened to him. after he got hit, but I remember his. hearing was [ __ ] up for a long time or. something. Something like that. Yeah, we. uh I was we do the mountains back home. like run them and there's we were up on. Diamond Peak, me and Tanner last year. and a storm, you know, kind of like the. weather report like having some clouds. or whatever. It wasn't supposed to be. thunderstorms, but you could hear kind. of growling and you're like, "God, is.

that coming this way?" And it doesn't. have to be that close. I mean, I think I. think lightning can hit from 10 miles. away. >> Really? >> Yes, it can go that it can go sideways. So anyway, if you see that building, you. should get off the top of a mountain, right? Well, me and Tanner were up there. and we're still wanting to get to summit. and then bomb off. Well, we're up there. and he goes he goes, "Dad," he goes, "Watch." And he had we had trekking. poles and he had them like this and they. were they were like ticking like.

electricity. >> Electricity was in his trekking poles. >> Then we I said, "Let's get the [ __ ] off. this thing." And so we bombed off and. there's these kids down that were like. they said should we go up and I said I'd. wait a little bit and the girl's hair. was standing up. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my [laughter] god. That's so crazy. >> Yeah. It is that. >> Yeah. So they this guy died in Florida. last year in what they call blue sky. lightning. >> What? >> Yeah. It can it jumped from several.

miles away. >> Wow. >> You just stand on the beach. It was a. blue sky above. storm is near. >> and I think it can go I know I looked it. up after that cuz I was like well I need. to know I'm in the mountains all the. time. >> His death nonetheless serves a grim mind. of Florida led the US in both lightning. fatalities 12 and strikes per square. mile 76. Holy [ __ ]. >> By the way, did you see that guy in. Florida that uh he was run from the cops. and he got killed by an alligator?

>> No. >> Did you see that one? >> Uhuh. >> Dude, it's body cam footage. The cops. got the gun out and he's he's like, "Stop, stop, stop." The guy's running. He's going in the water and all of a. sudden, boom. [laughter]. >> Like, right. >> I'd rather get shot. >> I'd rather get shot. Rather get shot and. killed by a [ __ ] dinosaur. Oh my god. >> You're going to get shot. You're the. bullet's going to hurt like [ __ ] You're. going to be in shock. You're going to. realize you're bleeding out. You're. going to have to say, "I wish I was a. better person. I'm going to miss my. family.". >> But that [ __ ] alligator is going to.

take a while to kill you. It's going to. roll with you. is going to drag you. under the water. You're going to realize. you can't get free. You're going to try. to poke its eyes. It's not going to. work. >> [ __ ]. >> It's going to be a miserable existence. till it's over. >> Do you see that one video of a dude? He. got attacked by an alligator. Uh lost. his arm. So, it bit his [ __ ] arm off. and he made his way back home. So, he. they're they're like talking to him like. right when he got out of the swamp. and. he's got one arm and he he looked like.

>> there's not a chance in hell he was. sober during [laughter] any of this. experience. He looked like he had been. meed up since the [ __ ] 12th grade. >> Oh my god. >> This dude Yeah. This is the dude. [laughter]. He. >> just [ __ ] lost his stump. >> Yeah, that's where I. >> He wanted for three [ __ ] days with. one arm. >> Oh my god. >> Well, first of all, how do you not bleed. out? >> I know. That's what I was going to say. Keep pressure on that. >> What did he say? What was he saying? >> What was he saying? >> On my right hand side. So I went to swim.

and she got she got my forearm. So I. grabbed her like this and like she's. trying to roll but she snapped her head. So So my arm went backwards like this. completely. >> He says he fought for his life. >> She drugged me under [laughter] three. times comes in so important. He says he. fought for his life. I could just. imagine them in an editing bay. >> Should I do that again? Is that good? No. >> I know. He says he fought for his life. >> Yeah, we got that part with the no. [laughter] arm. We I went ahead and.

assumed that. >> he [ __ ] wandered through alligator. and snakeinfested swamp for three. [laughter] [ __ ] days. >> Thanks for telling us what we need to be. believing here that. >> you know when I went alligator hunting. out there a few years ago. You know that. alligator that we shot that's in the. front. >> Bro, they're everywhere. If you ever. want to come, it's really fun. You know, I know you don't do much hunting outside. of bow hunting, >> but [clears throat] they need to be. killed. They're they're vastly overpop. populated, >> but you can't do a bow. >> You can, but it's.

>> Yeah. Well, that's like everything. >> It's pretty sketchy. But [laughter] this. this, you know, these killed alligators. with a bow in Florida. >> You You just got to catch them in the. right spot. You got to basically hit. them like right behind the head. And I. think you'd probably hit them with a. fixed blade, right? >> Yeah, for sure. >> Iron wheel or something. >> There's You got to brain them. Yeah. So. there's like a bump back there. Then. it's like halfway in between the eye and. the bump. Something like that. >> So you want to be like 20 yards [ __ ]. exit right in there. >> For sure. The good thing about that, if.

you [ __ ] up and just kind of ricochet, it's going to be fine. You know what I. mean? It's like it's not making if you. go for the lungs and miss hit it in the. stomach, that's not good. It's going to. be pretty sick and miserable death. But. >> it probably still live. Those [ __ ]. things are such monsters. They're such. monsters. I was saying, you know, we've. killed bear up at Kip killed a bear up. at the rivets with three legs. I'm just. like, >> how? >> One of them will eat the other one's. leg. >> They'll bite their [ __ ] legs off. >> But like, how do you you know, >> how do you survive?

>> Yeah, we have to get antibiotics for. like a hangail. >> I think our uh whole biome is probably. all [ __ ] up from washing it all the. time. >> Yeah, probably. >> I mean, it completely makes sense, right? It's like, >> yeah, >> animals don't seem to get a whole lot of. infections like we do, unless they're. farm animals, >> right? >> Or like occasionally, well, it happens. all the time in the rut, right? Like. when you're dressing an animal, you find. all these holes in the side of it that. are like [ __ ] I remember one time one.

of the elk that we shot at Toahone had. his back leg was just filled with pus. Like the whole back, it was all pus cuz. he had gotten stabbed. It's usually in. that back because usually they turn. because they know they're getting their. ass kicked and so it's in their hind. quarter. It's like the the dominant bull. gets a jab in before they go. >> And you've seen those tahone bulls, those 1100 lb [ __ ]. >> Imagine one of those stabbing you in the. head. >> No. And also if you see antlers there. that are broke because they're so heavy.

>> Like there's that bone is so thick for. their antlers. If a bull's break, imagine the force required to break. that. And imagine that going right up. your ass. [laughter]. >> God, for my camera guy, that'd be a. dream. [laughter] But for most of us. now, >> they find them, you know, with these. holes in them. Like when when you shoot. them and you find out like what they've. been through. Like no wonder why they. barely moved when they got hit with an. arrow. >> Yeah. >> They probably didn't even know. Like. when two bulls are fighting and then one.

of them gets hit with an arrow, they. barely react. >> No, they'd be like, "What? That what was. that fly landed on?". >> That's crazy. They're just so just. locked into war. >> Especially if you like get in between. the ribs and don't hit anything, >> right? Just slices right through. >> Just like that bull would be like, "Ow, >> wait, what? >> What was that? Nothing.". >> And all of a sudden, woo, I'm feeling. woozy. >> Yeah. >> Then it's over. >> Did you find that video? See if you can. find the video of the guy with the body. cam footage getting killed by the. alligator. >> Wasn't very good. Like, it's hard to see. it.

>> You can see a little bit though. I just. think it's exciting. >> It's just. >> You love watching chaos on online. >> I don't know why, but I do. [laughter]. Give me some Put the headphones on. there. See what. >> I like the music. >> Okay, >> so here it is. The cops's got his gun. out. Oh, this isn't a very good Yeah. >> See, the cop's got his gun out and he's. like trying to think of what to do and. this dude's getting jacked. >> Oh, there goes the alligator to him. [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Oh, did you see that line of the.

alligator? >> Back that up a little bit so you can see. it. So, the dude's trying to swim away. and look at the alligator. Boom. That's. a wrap, son. >> Did he put his hands up here? [laughter]. >> I don't think so. I think he just So, right there. >> Back it up a little bit more. So, you. see the guy swimming away. >> on this one. Maybe. >> What's that? >> It's a different version. >> Good Samar. >> Oh, no. The same lady narrating. >> That's when a gator. >> That's when a gator slammed right. towards him. That's not good. >> Of [music] his arms. I mean, it was a.

full-on attack. [laughter]. >> It was a fullon attack. Like as if what? Halfway attack. >> Oh, they were fighting. >> It's a [ __ ] dinosaur. [laughter]. >> There was another story. >> in Florida a few years back where a guy. was ch running from the cops. I think uh. it was a high-speed chase. Gets to a. bridge, stops the car, throws it in. park, jumps off the bridge, boom, alligator gets him. Literally like. landed right on a [ __ ] alligator. But. that's the reality of the water. All the. fresh water in Florida is filled with.

alligators. They have to check. Disneyland all the time or Disney World. They have to check it all the time. Remember a little kid got killed there a. few years ago? >> Imagine you take your kid to [ __ ]. Disney World and it gets killed by a. dinosaur. >> Rough. Whoa. And also it's like you know. how I don't know you have dogs but are. they ever around when you're eating and. like something falls on the ground? They're always checking the ground. Well, that's what alligators do in the. water. They're just sitting there just.

chilling out. They hear a little splash. They're like, "Oh, like a dog. Was that. a a crumb hitting the the floor at the. dinner table?" Exactly. >> So, they over there and they'll just eat. whatever hit the water. >> Especially if something seems like it's. struggling. opportunists. >> Yeah. They're So, [snorts] they're just. chilling just waiting for [ __ ] to hit. the water, which is that's what fishing. is too. You know, you see that the the. flies hatching, you try to match it, try. to put it on there, and like they're. like, "Okay, got one to hit the water.". But yeah, alligators are masters of. taking advantage of opportunity. And.

every once in a while, some comes off a. bridge and hey, >> big meal. >> It's really shocking how many of them. there are in in the Everglades. It's. like, you know, I went uh I guess it was. three years ago, and when we were there, it's like everywhere you look, you have. to look for an alligator. It's it's like. nothing I've ever seen. Like I I thought. it'd be hard to find them. I thought. like we'd go out there and you know, you. look around, you probably glass a. little, see eyeballs pop up. No, they're. [ __ ] all over the water.

>> Like how many would you see? >> We saw 15, 20, maybe more. Maybe 30. You. see like uh some movement on the water. and then they dunk under and you're in. the [ __ ] swamp, man. It's sketchy as. [ __ ]. >> You know, the whole the whole. >> It's [clears throat] very weird. It's. very weird because you're like this is a. mess. Yeah. >> Like, oh, this is infested. Like you. you're infested by dinosaurs. And then. you go an hour and a half later, you're. in Miami having a steak, drinking a nice. pino noir. You know, you think you're in.

civilization. You're you're [ __ ] a. half a day's drive from monsters, >> an infested jungle filled with monsters. >> And imagine if you weren't in a boat. Like, what if what if you were just. somehow something happened to the boat? >> Oh, you're [ __ ] Yeah. >> What would you do if like the boat sank. out there? >> Well, we weren't in a boat. >> Okay. >> We we drove out. We were with with. guides and we drove out in trucks. >> and they know like where the lake areas. are where the you know, it's very dense.

out there. It's very thick. It's just. hot and muggy and. >> and these [ __ ] just boop. >> You see them pop up. You see the. eyeballs pop up. You see some motion. But you [ __ ] see them everywhere. And. then you look around at how big the. Everglades is [laughter] and you go, "How many of them are out here?". >> Yeah. >> Because it's not like we found the honey. spot, right? You know what I mean? It's. like the whole Everglades. >> and there when I was a kid, you know, I. lived down there in Florida when I was. uh 11 years old from 11 to 13. I lived.

in Gainesville. >> and there's alligators back then, but. they were endangered. >> and so you you weren't allowed to kill. them and so they would kill people's. dogs and [ __ ] I remember this lady in. my neighborhood, her dog got jacked. She. was walking her dog by Lake Alice and it. just snatched her dog and took it away. >> Jeez. >> This is like the late '7s. And um we. were feeding them marshmallows. So you. go to the dock and you throw. marshmallows and alligators would come. up and eat the marshmallows. >> And it was, you know, it was weird. It. was like kind of cool that they're. there. Freaks you out a little bit, but.

they weren't dangerous, >> right? >> Cut [clears throat] to all these years. later now because no one hunted them cuz. they basically were making shoes out of. them back in the day. They almost hunted. them to extinction and uh they should. probably start that again. [laughter]. >> They probably we need to bring alligator. shoes. >> like back in like the 70s like that was. the cool shoes like in the pool halls. where I used to play pool like the old. guys would talk about how a guy was. really dressed up. He had his gators on. He looked good. He had a nice suit. He.

had his gators on. His [laughter] gators. like. >> I got gator boots. >> Alligator shoes. >> Luc Casey. Yeah. >> Yeah. Gator boots seem to be a different. thing because it kind of almost makes. sense cuz like al like you get boots. that are made out of like snake skin and. ostrich and like that's kind of a cowboy. boot thing but. >> alligator dress shoes is very you got. your gators on like very hard to get. polish it nice black. Oh yeah, >> remember? [laughter].

>> I love that, >> bro. I got to apologize to Ric Flair. He. got uh scammed. >> So, some some person reached out and. said that they were representing this. podcast and they were going to h that he. was going to come on the podcast. >> I think uh Tim Dylan, this happened with. him, too. Um it didn't happen with him. where they got him, but. >> they send you an email saying that. they're going to have you come on a. podcast, but they need your bank. information. Yeah, they'll pay you. Sometimes it's like 3,000 bucks because.

I've got those, too. >> And what it really is is they're just. going to empty your bank account. >> and uh it's just a scam. So, if you get. an email like that from me, it's not. real. Sorry, Ric Flair. >> So, Ric Flair, I don't know if they he. lost his money, but Tim Dylan, they. tried to get him on uh Amy Polar show. So, it's that's the scam. The scam was. they reached out to he talked about it. on his podcast. They reached the this. scammer reached out said, "I'm. representing the Amy Polar Show. we. would love to have you on. And he was. like, that doesn't seem like that would.

be a good thing for Amy Polar. [laughter]. >> I don't think I'm a good guest. He was. like, he was like, I don't think this is. real. And then it says, you know, we. need your bank account information. And. so many people just like don't think. about it or they're boomers or. >> well it they make it seem legit cuz I. know um Pat McAfee I got an email from. them about coming on the show and I'd. been kind of communicating with some of. those guys before and so I'm like maybe. I mean for me it's like a big deal like. ESPN and Pat McAfee he's like to me he.

reminds me of you. He just kind of does. what says whatever he wants does if the. bosses say whatever he's like [ __ ] off. I I just love that unfiltered like true. thoughts and. >> he's a guy that's got [ __ ] you money. that says [ __ ] you. That's what I love. >> It's just it's beautiful. So I mean I. celebrate that's that's a you know first. amendment in his glory right there. >> And he seems like a genuine good dude. >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't know him but it's. like. >> I don't know him either, but when you. hear a guy talk enough.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You can assume or you can. like put the pieces puzzle together but. and they've wore my stuff on there. So, I'm like, "Oh, maybe this is real, right?" And. >> so, the guy I asked at uh he's just a AO. uh he's just a great guy, but he uh he. said, "No, it's not not legit." But they. had me cuz it was like it almost seemed. real. >> Fight night is here. Title shots, debut. killers, and the rising contender. nobody's talking about yet. And only. DraftKings has you covered every step of.

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at dkg.co/audio. >> Yeah, somebody asked me like, hey, you. know, they said, well, they said, uh, can you do anything about it? Unfortunately, I can't. Like there's. nothing you could do other than tell. people it's a scam. >> I don't want to tell you how I get. guests. I don't want to like give up the. process. But uh I have a guy and I have. this guy reach out to people and you. know I don't want to talk too much about. it because I don't want people to. imitate that and pretend that that's how. they do it. But if you get an email. >> my guy here.

>> Yeah. [laughter] If you get an email. asking for your bank account. information, it's not me. No. And it's. probably not Anna Ferris or Amy Polar or. Tim Dylan or any of those other people. It's all [ __ ]. >> No, >> just scumbags out there, >> unfortunately. >> If you say you have some elk meat you'll. share. That might be real. >> Nope. >> Oh, [laughter]. >> I'll share with friends and family. That's it, dude. I giving it out to. weirdos. >> But, uh, you're bringing some bear meat. >> I know. And dude, you're I said you're. in trouble. We got. >> You got a lot of notes.

>> We got notes. I got I got [ __ ] we're. going to discuss today. >> They're like I had a scientist on. yesterday. He had less notes. >> Less. I know. I'm I'm ready. Well, we. had some fun. >> First of all, before we go any further, what's going on with your tooth? Why you. got a gold tooth? [laughter]. I love it. >> Yeah, it's uh Well, it was it's kind of. a joke, but I've been obsessed. with like perfect teeth, right? And. >> that's like Adam Green shoes always. busting your balls. >> And you know, I did like the the white. strips and all this other [ __ ] And like.

I always cared about what just probably. cared too much. So now I don't care what. I look like. But um. >> what what changed? >> Uh I don't know. I I've just like been. playing the game too long. Now it's just. [laughter] like I'm just done. And and. the game's not over unfortunately. Even. though I'm saying I don't want to play. anymore. Game still goes on. So it's. like I'm still part of it. But anyway, I. was getting this. Okay. Long story. short, um I had I broke this in high.

school. So I had a fake two since high. school. And uh yeah, this is like long. story. Kissing this girl, basketball, hit him in the back of the head, broke. the tooth. Anyway, >> he broke the teeth on her teeth. >> Yeah. So, she had pieces of teeth in her. lip. Um. >> Oh, that's crazy. >> Oh, yeah. It was Yeah, it was uh Jack. Dero did that. But anyway, um we uh so I. got it fixed, got a few different. iterations of it, finally found one that. looked good. Well, I go in there. I. hadn't been to the dentist in forever. because I just what hate going. And they.

said, "Oh, you got a a a cavity under. that." what composite is what it was. called. And I'm like, okay, cool. So, we. got to take it off, fix a cavity, then. you get whole another one. And I'm like, whatever. Um, so I go back in there and. next next appointment they take it off, no cavity. But now we just have this. like whittleled down regular tooth just. like a like a post of a tooth. >> So, because they removed the cavity. >> because they there was no cavity. >> There was no cavity. Jesus Christ. >> They thought on the X-ray there was. So. they had the the anyway the cap or the.

composite's gone. So they said, "Well, you need to go and match the color of. your teeth for your new fa fake tooth. and spring in in Springfield. Swing by. this Springfield um whatever they do. there for for dentistry." So I go in. there and they said uh the girl there. goes, "Hey, my husband Nate makes some. really cool gold teeth. He does a really. good job. Do you want a gold one?" And. [laughter] uh I was like, "Wait." And so. she's like, "We'll do a white one, too, but a gold one might just be fun." And. then I'm like, "Yeah, it'd be fun." So I.

told Trace, "I'm just gonna do it just a. day or two." So this has been months. now. >> You going to keep it? >> I don't know. I kind of like it. >> I kind of like it, too. >> I kind of like it. It's like everybody. >> [ __ ] it. >> You know, everybody's got regular teeth. Nobody's got gold teeth or something. >> Not anymore. It was a thing back in the. day. Remember Mike Tyson had a gold. tooth for a while. Well, this is like my. savings account cuz I figure that I'm. going to lose everything [laughter] cuz. I'm such a [ __ ] But I'll still have. this. I can still. >> pull that sucker out. You can buy a. cheeseburger. [laughter]. >> Yeah. If I get in a bind, right? It's.

like, hey, well, I got this. >> I have one crown. I have one fake tooth. back here. I cracked one of my mers. I. had a root canal and then um it like so. then they had to put like a crown on it. and then it cracked. And so now I got to. get another one cuz I got a little piece. of it missing. I think I'm going to get. a gold one. >> Nice. >> Get a gold one right here. >> Do it. Do it. >> I'm gonna Now you inspired me. [laughter]. >> It's Also, it's in the back so you won't. see it all the time till I. >> until I give you a big cheese.

>> Yeah. Well, >> I'm going to get it. I'm copying you. >> Good. When you're cracking up, you. always do a big smile. So So that'll be. when people see it. That'll be fun. >> Fortunately, I laugh a lot. I know. >> I live a happy life. >> Yeah, you do. You're You're crushing it. lately. >> Oh, just keep keep your foot on the gas. >> Same old stuff, right? I can't believe I. look at your guests and it's just like. nonstop, dude. It's like it's people see. like all your success. You'd think most. people would be like, "Okay, I'm good. I'll you foot off the gas." You don't. >> No,

>> you keep I mean, you you work your ass. off. >> Well, you very rarely get an opportunity. in life to do anything like what I can. do. And very few human beings get this. opportunity. And I feel insanely. fortunate and also um very responsible. like I'm responsible for this whole. thing. I have to keep it rolling. I know. people are addicted to it. They love it. They want the variety. They want. scientists. They want guys like you. They want athletes and fighters. They. want all this [ __ ] They want to hear. all these different people talk, all.

these different perspectives. And it's a. huge obligation, you know. And I feel. like connected to all these people. I. know I don't talk to them all the time. I don't know what to say, but I feel it. I know it and I'm dedicated. So, I just. keep my foot on the gas. I never I never. say, "Oh, I can't believe I have to do. this. Oh, I can't believe I have to show. up." I just. >> Yeah. I always try to reset every day. and go, "God, I'm so lucky." It's so. fortunate. And then, you know, when you. have that opportunity, I think it's a. terrible tragedy, a travesty to not.

capitalize on it, to not like make the. most out of it because I know that it's. like very few human beings in the world. Well, I mean, how many people have ever. had the number one podcast? It's always. gone like back and forth. I've had it. for like six years now. Yeah. Six or. seven. Might be seven years now. >> And it's like. >> I'm not I'm not keeping my foot off the. gas. I'm going to do exactly what I'm. doing. I'm going to do it my best. I'm. going to keep doing it until the [ __ ].

wheels fall off. That's like people have. said like with bow hunting and stuff. like if you you know you work your ass. off to to get this place where you're. respected, right? And then there's going. to be people that want your position. And like with your attitude, my attitude. too is [clears throat] like. >> [ __ ] come get it. >> Yeah. Come get it. >> Come try to take it cuz I'm working my. ass off still. >> We were hanging out somewhere and you. said one of the coldest things to this. dude. This dude was uh we were all just. [ __ ] around. I I really even forget.

who it was cuz it didn't matter. And he. said, "Uh, yeah, and after that I'm. going to challenge you to a race." And. you go, "Good luck with that. [laughter]. It was so cold." You go, "Yeah." Like, you didn't even remotely take it. seriously. It was like a fiveyear-old. saying they're going to kick my ass. Like, okay, good luck with that. >> Yeah. I [laughter] mean, you get you get. confident when it's something you do. like. >> Yeah. further down the line than. anybody. Yeah. And so if you're going to. take my spot, >> right?

>> I mean, this been a grind, dude. 40. years. >> Yeah. The whole taking the spot thing is. so stupid because everybody's on their. own little journey. And you could look. at it in terms of I'm going to take that. guy's spot. And maybe that's your. motivation. And uh that's cool and all that, but. there's a negative attached to that. motivation. If you don't have an actual. personal beef with someone and you hate. them just because they're in a position. that you wish you are, you're wasting. energy. I know this sounds like very. hippie, but it's true. like you're that.

energy instead should be celebrating. that there's people like that out in the. world that do inspire you and are out. there pushing themselves to like extreme. limits and just and excelling at. whatever dis whether it's [ __ ]. playing guitar or doing standup comedy. You should look at those people like, "Wow, what are they doing that I can do. to make myself more successful or better. or what where where can I get to a. point? How can I get to a point where.

I'm like them?". >> Mhm. >> But most people don't do that. Most. people like, "Fuck that guy. That guy. [ __ ] sucks. This sucks. And [ __ ] it, he's a [ __ ] and he's a this and he's. using steroids and he's [ __ ] lying. about how many miles he runs." And it's. there's always going to be people like. that. And I'm telling my message to the. haters. >> I I was a hater when I was a kid. I was. 100% a hater. 100%. Like all the other. people like when I was fighting, everybody else was a [ __ ]. >> They were all [ __ ] unless they were. weren't in my weight division. If they.

weren't in my weight division, then I. could celebrate him. But everybody in my. weight division was a [ __ ] That guy's. I'm going to [ __ ] that guy up. He's got. nothing. I I could never celebrate. people. Even like national champions, people with the I couldn't celebrate. them, >> right? >> It's a waste. It's a waste of energy. and you get more energy out of looking. at what they do well and analyzing it. and being inspired by it. It's a hard. struggle because your ego wants you to. compare yourself to them and find flaws. in them. You know, [ __ ] that guy, [ __ ]. this and [ __ ] that.

>> It's a waste of energy. You have to be. selfish with your energy. Your energy is. very critical. It's everything in life. Everything you do in life is dependent. upon you having energy. And for you to. waste your energy in some stupid. egodriven direction just because you're. too weak to recognize like, "Oh, this. guy can kick my ass. Oh, this guy uh. could shoot a bow further than me. Oh, this guy runs way farther than I can. run. Oh, this guy's way better at. playing guitar than me. What the [ __ ].

can I do to get where he's at?" Yeah, >> you got to just that's a it's a trap. because not only does it take away. energy, it takes away progress. >> It takes away energy from you investing. in you being better in the future. >> It's bad all around. >> Yeah. >> There's no good to it at all. >> No, I I I agree with that. And it's like. that that energy is a resource that we. have to protect. I think that when you. talk about like you talk about all the. outliers that you you have this.

conversation with or sit across the. table from you and I think your attitude. and how you look at things like in that. lens that makes people want to come on. like you said you listed all these. people and people want to hear what they. have to say. People want to hear what. they have to say to you because you have. a way of drawing out uh more information. in a different way because your attitude. is so pure. I think like even if you. didn't believe what you said, it would. still if if you just said like I want to.

be positive, but your questions were all. negative like in tone or like. confrontational in tone. People wouldn't. want to be on here like they want to be. on here now. You being positive and. looking at things like how can I get. better? How can I grow? How can we all. learn and and u um get better from this? That's the lens that you put the. information that comes out through these. microphones out into the world, which. means people are attracted to you. People are attracted to the guests you. have. People are attracted to the show. And so, yeah, that energy we even though.

even if we don't admit it, we're. attracted to it. >> You know what I mean? You seek it out. And um I know when I'm I like to hear. people paint a picture of something that. gives me hope. Mhm. >> I don't want to hear about how [ __ ] up. everything is all the time, >> right? >> I want hope. How can I have hope? Because hope gives me purpose and I'm. like, "Okay, I can do this. I can I got. get to work and this will this will pay. off.". >> Yeah. >> So, I I think it's like it's more.

complicated. than we than we think, but there's a. reason why you're number one and have. been number one, and it's your attitude. and it's it's how you speak to people. It's that little that it's also I got in. really early, right? So I got in at like. 2009. and there was hardly anybody doing it. back then. Yeah. So you could you could. also I wasn't as famous back then. So. you could do it for a long time before. anybody noticed you were doing it so you. could get good at it. >> So you could hone your craft,

>> right? You didn't have a bunch of. comments that you had to sift through. You didn't have to You just did it. >> If you started now, maybe you wouldn't. be number one. >> Oh, I wouldn't be. You know what I mean? >> There's so many there's I mean how many. podcasts are there now? >> A lot. >> Yeah. Like. >> what's the number? >> 10 mill 5 million. >> Check those like seven or eight million. >> It probably keeps growing every week. because everybody thinks they can do it. because everybody can talk. >> Well, [laughter] and and the people. starting now, they might be you down the.

road. >> Oh yeah, for sure. >> There might be some, you know, >> Well, they'll be incredible. conversationalist that. >> they'll be them. They'll be a different. thing than me, but they'll be amazing at. it. >> But you had because you had this insight. or you know, you saw Tom Green or. whoever it was that like, oh, maybe I. could do that. You started this process. of this decades of honing your craft to. where it is now and now you've been on. top for six, seven years, right? And. it's just because of all those reps that. you did. It's It's no different than. anything we always talk about. >> It's everything.

>> It's reps. >> Yeah. Everything is reps. It's just like. you want to get good at something, >> keep fail, keep doing it. Archery is. reps. Pool is reps. Martial arts are. reps. It's all reps. It's all. experience. And it's all like being like. super focused on what you're trying to. do, whatever it is. >> Yeah. I think like I even think of, you. know, I love Sean Ryan and he's has an. incredible podcast, but I I I get I get. why this is happening. He's pretty down. kind of on a lot right now just with.

government with Israel with Epstein with. all the which is by design almost they. want us to be hopeless and I I don't. want to be a conspiracy theorist but. they do want us hopeless so because we. can be controlled but Sean his podcast. lately has taken more I don't want to. say dark because it's more real but it's. like it's darker so I just think that. attracts. less people in a different type of. person than yours. You have every reason.

to be dark about things and you are. sometimes, but that's not the theme of. you. >> Well, I think these it's like first of. all, people that aren't comedians, they're very they're limited. >> in in what they can talk about and the. way they can talk about things. You. know, being a comedian is there's a. little bit of a safety net. You could. always like, "Yeah, what the [ __ ] I'm a. comedian. We're [ __ ] around.". >> You get a little get got get a little. you can write it off a little bit. It's. also there's that's real in terms of. like uh another layer of conversation.

Like there's a layer of conversation. that is commonly known as talking [ __ ]. [laughter] And talking [ __ ] is a thing. that you do where you're with your boys. and you say things that you don't really. mean because they're funny and you make. each other laugh. You talk about how. many dicks you sucked last night. You. know what? Why is your mouth so sore? You know, [laughter] like you you [ __ ]. around. [clears throat] You say things. you you're silly. You know, you talk. about, oh, you know, it's hard doing all. this meth, you know, you don't you're. not really doing meth, right? There's. you're you're not really having gay sex.

You're [ __ ] around. And when you. can't [ __ ] around, there's a whole realm. of the conversation that's missing. >> Yeah, for sure. >> And there's a whole like. like get out of jail pass. Like, let's. have fun. Let's loosen up a little here. You can't loosen up. You're serious, >> right? And then where does the. conversation go? back to the serious. part which changes it. >> It's also the serious stuff is what gets. engagement. >> Yeah. >> And that's a little bit of a trap where. if you only focus on the bad of the. world and it's not saying you should.

ignore the bad of the world. You. certainly shouldn't. But if you only. focus on the bad of the world, >> it's kind of a trap. >> because. >> it'll [ __ ] your head up too. You're just. swimming in negativity all the time. >> That's what I see Shawn that's a feeling. I've got with Shawn lately. Whereas with. the differences with you, there's a. reset. There's always this reset back to. good. The message is good. >> Yeah. I think. >> and I don't think you I don't I don't. think you that's not by design. That's. just who you are. >> Yeah. No, it's not by design. It's just.

uh that's how I think it's like you can. only dwell on negativity so much. Most. of your day is not negative. In fact, yeah, it's there's things that you need. to be aware of and you need to be. prepare for them. And. >> the problem is is no, it's not. But our. voices are oftentimes negative. So it's. easy I if like if you get in that trap. where you're listening to negative and. you're thinking negative. It's a lot of. negative dude. Yeah. >> So it's like knowing that you know I can.

go down a negative rabbit hole pretty. easy. I try to avoid. waiting in that. >> Well sometimes it's like you just get. fed up. You're like where the [ __ ] are. these Epstein files? Who the [ __ ] is. this? Why is this redacted? Where is who. the [ __ ] killed JFK? Like, come out with. it. What the [ __ ] Who [ __ ] killed. Charlie Kirk for real? Like, what is. that? Why is that [ __ ] story so. clouded in mystery? And why did they. pave over the [ __ ] ground right after. the the shooting? What the [ __ ] is going. on there? >> See, now you're making me in a bad mood.

>> That's But that it's easy [laughter] to. do. It's easy to do. It's easy to get. locked up in there. >> Do you see Do you see my notes? Look at. my two on the very top. >> What does it say? Stay positive. Be. nice. And what does that other one say? You have terrible handwriting. >> Be positive. >> Oh, be nice. Be positive. [laughter]. Well, your handwriting is terrible. >> It is. >> You should be a doctor. >> But no, I have to remind myself like. [laughter] cuz I if you start mentioning. those things that you just did. >> Oh, it's hard, >> dude. I will [ __ ] lose my [ __ ]. because I'm so pissed. >> I know.

>> It should be. And we we all we're all. pissed. We were all, >> you know, we all thought that, you know, all that stuff was going to be released. right after the election. It's going to. we're going to drain the swamp and find. all the pedophiles. Well, the the first. term was more like that. That's what. gave me hope for this term. The first. term there was some draining the swamp. going on. I felt then we had the Biden. disaster and now the second term has. been I don't even know what this is. I. don't even know what it is. >> Well, it would have been a whole lot. different for first of all if we didn't.

bomb Iran. I feel like we bombed him the. first time, we were good. The second. time was like even the first time I was. like what the [ __ ] are we doing? >> Yeah. And then when they were saying. like, "This is it. The the the. escalation's over. We're going to work. this out." Like, "Oh, >> yeah.". >> And the second time when we bombed him, I was like, "Oh, [ __ ] great." Mhm. >> Now, and the most people don't want it. That's the real problem. Most people in. the country don't want it. Now, look, I'm no [ __ ] foreign policy expert. I. don't know what's going on over there,

but I do know that all the people I know. that really support Israel above. everything else, they're [ __ ] super. happy about it. Mhm. >> And I'm like, but all the people I know. that are like America first and or. people that are like no new wars that. really thought that we're going to. change things and this is all just for. money. We're not going to sacrifice. soldiers for [ __ ] money. Those people. are all upset. I don't know really. what's going on though. That's the. problem. And uh I I really wish I. understood Iranian politics more and the.

the Iran Iranian military structure. because it seems like that's super. [ __ ] complicated. like they've been. preparing to be attacked like this. forever. And so they have like all these. layers of control. Like when this guy. gets taken out, new guys are like ready. to fill their spot. And then when we're. negotiating with the new guy, Israel. kills them. Like [laughter] it's like. the [ __ ] is going on? >> And then what happened yesterday? They. captured like 20 oil tankers. >> Oh, did they? I didn't even see that. >> Yeah, there was some I don't know. It.

might be [ __ ] I just read it very. quickly on the toilet in one of the rare. weak moments where I traveled to X. [laughter]. >> Yeah, it's uh. >> I mean, boy, I've been so healthy. lately. Last few months just staying off. of [ __ ] Instagram. >> Really? >> Staying off of Twitter, just not reading. anything. >> Yeah, >> they're not anything. But Instagram. started funneling me schizophrenics. >> Oh, >> I don't know how I follow one. schizophrenic. My name is Dolores. I am. the the the real granddaughter of JFK.

The gold that's in the basement is all. mine. They're trying to stuff [ __ ]. inside my vagina. They wake me up in the. middle of the night. Like crazy people. Not just one, but like a whole [ __ ]. series of them. And I started getting. those a couple of weeks ago. And uh. again, I might spend like 10, 15. minutes, but it's all schizophrenic. people. I'm like, I got to get off of. this. [laughter]. >> There's no reason. >> It's interesting. >> It's crazy. >> That's what gets you hooked. >> I got this one lady. She she uh was is a. she was a hooker and she's a crackhead. and she thinks everyone's a man. Like so.

she she'll show photos of all these. different people. That's a [ __ ] man. [laughter] She's just she's just [ __ ]. out to lunch. One guy thinks he's the. rightful president of the United States. and he wears like this dirty old suit. and you can look at his eyes like he's. out there. The dude's gone. He lives in. a completely different dimension than we. do. >> and he's on Instagram. I start watching like sometimes street. fights. >> Oh, I watch a lot of those. >> There's a lot of those out there. Or the.

joke the pranks or the jokes or pets. It's like. >> pets are cool. >> And then it's just like. >> but they it's just a trap. It just keeps. you there. >> and then an hour's gone and you're like, what did I do for an hour? [laughter]. >> It's just terrible for you. But since. I've been really good about it, I've. just so much healthier when I take like. full days like days off. >> I feel so much better. And I'm like, remember when we were in Hawaii? We we. went to Hawaii a few years back and we. went bow hunting and for Axis deer on. Lai and uh I broke my phone. I don't.

know if you remember this, but my phone. just started calling people. I'd be. like, "Look at this. This is crazy." I'd. hang up and start calling a new person. Hang up. So, I had to get a new phone. It took like three days. And. >> those are like three of the happiest. days of my life. >> Yeah. >> And and I'm like, "Oh, I should just get. rid of my phone." I was thinking that, but I was like, "Oh, I can't wait for. till my phone gets [laughter] here.". Well, there's stuff where it's really. handy is taking pictures of cool stuff. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And capturing those memories. That's. >> Yeah. It's. >> And if you have a question. Yeah. I love. it for because I've always have a.

question about something. I love that. Siri now you could just press Siri and. ask it a question like how many minutes. are in a month and it'll just tell you. like right like you'd be driving on the. car, you have a question, just press a. button and it gives you the answer. It's. [ __ ] nuts. >> How many times did you have a question. you're just like I'll probably never. figure that out. Exactly. But now no. question goes. >> unanswered. >> It's literally instantaneous, >> you know, and uh you know, I'll use. perplexity all throughout the day to. just ask it questions cuz I'm just. driving around or I'm sitting at home.

and I'm like, I wonder how that. happened. And just now, you know, like. instantaneously. >> Yeah. >> But the dealing with all the people. stuff, >> that's that's where I checked out. I'm. like, I'm not interested in that. I. don't like it's like if you get a bowl. of soup and there's little pieces of. meat, but most of the soup is [ __ ]. >> All right, I would recommend not eating. that soup. [laughter]. >> And that's what social media is like. It's like I get some meat out of it here. and there. I get some interesting.

stories about science and some new. discovery from the James Webb telescope. Like, whoa, this is [ __ ] cool. And. it'll send me down a nice rabbit hole. where I'm like studying things and. getting excited about things. And then. I'll just deal with some [ __ ] cooks. and and crazy people and [ __ ] and. grifters and people that are mad that. people are white and people that are mad. that people are black and like oh. [ __ ] Christ. >> It's exhausting. >> It's too much. >> It's exhausting. Yeah. >> It's just it's just eating soup with. [ __ ] in it. Yeah.

>> It's just like it's not worth it. >> Speaking of which, you brought in some. of that bear. Grab some of that, son. So, >> and so a lot of people are of the. opinion that black bear is not an edible. meat, and that is that is incorrect. >> I've got a grizzly cooler here full of. all sorts of. >> people can't hear you unless you're on. that microphone. >> Okay. Um, >> give me some. >> So, also this. >> No one can hear that either. You got to. get to the microphone. >> Also, this. >> Put that thing down and have a seat. >> Oh, there we go.

>> So, do you know who Casey Brooks is? I've heard of the name. >> So he killed a world record elk. >> That's right. That giant. That thing is. crazy. >> So he does this is like super hot stuff. >> Oh, >> here's what it's called. Everything you. need to know about Chilan. whatever. See. >> everything you know need to know about. Well, it's all worn out. >> I know. It's maybe on the other page. >> But mighty Chilean chili. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So it's a type of chili.

>> Yeah. You put that on like when you're. cooking steaks. >> Where's that knife, Jamie? You got. here's one. >> Thank you. >> Look at that. >> Oh, sweet. Oh, look at that [ __ ] elk, man. Oh my god. Nuts. >> That thing is literally nuts. What was. the score on that? >> It was like [clears throat]. 386 or something. >> No, 486. >> Or no, 486. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Like almost getting close to 500. >> Yeah. >> Wow. This smells strong. >> Does it? >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. >> So, these are the chilies. Oh, so this.

is uh. >> Yeah. He said you don't need much. [clears throat]. >> It says. >> what did it say? 480. >> It says sprinkle this [ __ ] on. everything. >> Okay. Yeah. >> This is cool. >> Yeah. So I I brought And also like. >> Do you know his son? His son is a really. good elk caller. I mean I don't know. I. know. >> Oh, he makes calls. >> Yeah. We don't usually mess around with. that. >> Um I learned how to you do these just. last year. >> His son is Bo Brooks. >> I learned how to make a female el cuz I. had a little one that I blow on. So I. never learned how to use a read.

>> Yeah. the mouth read. >> I definitely don't know how to make a. elk set with a tube. I'm [ __ ]. terrible. >> Well, let me see that knife real quick. My Yeah, this is the old packout skinner. from Montana knife. >> But here's the good stuff right here. So, we got some of this. Tell me what you think of this. >> I've had it the last time you brought it. from the same um. >> No, this is from this whites up in. Portland. And this is Ronnie. Ronnie's. the man, dude. Portland, Oregon has a. good wild game.

>> Yeah, I think it's more like Gresian. >> processor, >> but it's so good. >> Oh, that is good. >> Tell me what you think of that. >> That's fantastic. >> Yeah, that Thank you, Ronnie. And then. this is uh. >> no tchinosis, right? >> Tchinosis free. >> Then this is I mean, >> have you ever tested yourself for. trinosis? See if you have it. You might. already have it. >> There's some bear jerky, too. >> You might have it and ignored it. >> So, the the jerky is so good. And then. also like this says Whites on it right. here. Whites country meats. So we got.

sausage. >> Oh, you made breakfast sausage. >> Yeah. It's so good. >> Nice. >> Um and then we got some rendered bare. fat right here. >> Brought you that. So you can cook with. that. >> Oh, it's dark. >> Yeah. >> Why is it so dark? >> I don't know. >> Um. that's crazy. >> Yeah. >> Clay Nukem gave me some. >> Did he? Yeah. Okay. Have you ever used. it? >> Yeah, I cooked uh steaks with it. >> Okay. It's great for searing steaks, you. know, just like even beef tallow. Yeah. But it gives it a different flavor.

>> For sure. Definitely. So, he he did a. It's like And also like the the bear in. the spring, their fat is a little. different. So, it's it just reacts. differently like for make the pepperoni. and and rendering the fat. It just. reacts a little differently because. they've just come out of hibernation up. there. This is one of the big bear I. just killed. >> And uh yeah, so it's just perfect timing. for I guess rendering fat and making. sausage. I was watching those videos. that Jen was making from bear camp. >> Yeah. >> Where she smoked that bear for like 24.

hours. >> Yeah. >> So good. >> God, it looked insane. >> It looked like so good. They're like. she's like a gourmet chef now with bear. >> Yeah. And then they had the meat church. guy up there this last week. Yeah. >> And um so they were like, you know, bear. meat when you put a whole back ham on. the Trager. So she. >> she let it soak marinate for four days, right? And I saw people saying, "Oh, if. you did shoe leather for four days, it'd. be good." Whatever. I'm just telling you. what what it was. Four days, then 20. hours of a slow cook on the Trager. Best.

meat you've ever had. Just like. incredible. That's bear. And you know, there's like people talk about the. settlers back in the day, they would eat. bear and just kill deer for hides to. make clothing because bear was superior. meat. So people have fallen into this. trap of like believing that bare meat. isn't good and it's amazing. >> Well, it's because of Yogi. >> Yeah. >> Yogi [ __ ] us. >> probably. >> Yeah. Yogi and the the one that tells. you not to start fires.

>> Who's that guy? >> Smokey. >> Smokey. Smokey the bear. Yogi. >> Yeah, >> they [ __ ] us. >> Yeah, they did. >> Then Disney. Disney [ __ ] us. [laughter]. You know, if it wasn't for those um. anthropomorphizations of animals where. they turned them into sweet, you know, beautiful creatures that talk to you. >> Yeah. >> We would have a completely different. idea of animals and be a much more. realistic idea of animals. >> for sure. >> Which I think most hunters have. You. love them, you respect them, but. >> they all have to be managed. >> I sent Whitney Cummings a video that.

they got in um Santa Monica the other. day uh of a mountain line in someone's. backyard. big [ __ ]. >> just laying in the grass in this dude's. backyard in Santa Monica, man. >> That's. >> Yeah, there I mean I don't know if you. know anymore, but. >> um I can't eat too much. People get. annoyed. >> Oh yeah, it's true. >> It's good though. >> It's a That's a jalapeno cheddar. >> How's it taste? Can you taste it? >> The one the first one I had was jalapeno. cheddar. Yeah. It's [ __ ] great. >> It's really good. >> So good. Yeah. >> Yeah. And I know what people saying. Oh, you can make anything. Look at that.

That's the cat in the backyard. >> Oh, man. >> [ __ ] nuts, man. Look at his eyes. Yeah, >> [ __ ] you, man. [ __ ] you. >> Yeah, it's uh. >> Meanwhile, they built a stupid bridge. for them and it's uh way over budget. It's over hund00 million now for the. stupid [ __ ] bridge so they can cross. We have to make sure that the monsters. can get across the highway safety. >> I am of a completely different opinion. I say, put one of those [ __ ] big ass. grills on your car like I have on my. Land Cruiser and let's hope we get a few. of them. >> so I don't kill people's dogs.

>> Mhm. >> Look, it's right there. >> in the middle. Yeah, it's 14. This just. knocked it unfort. >> That is bananas. Look where it is. Like. look how dense. >> Look how dense the housing is there. There's a mountain line right there. >> And they think a mountain lion's going. to go find this bridge. >> Well, they they probably will eventually. find the bridge. >> I know. >> But there's a bunch of retards that'll. still make their way across the highway. and they're supposed to get hit. That's. That's nature. >> Yeah. >> It's figure it out. >> Figure it out. >> or die. >> Yeah. Figure it out or die. There's too.

many of them. They they're so. unrealistic about their mountain line. numbers. >> Yeah, >> there's way too many of them. They're. all over California because they don't. manage them. >> That's what we talked Yeah, we talked. about that last time. And it's like I. just wonder what is, you know, what's. the goal? Because now, you know, I wore. the shirt today because now Public Land. is again back in the crosshairs. I don't. know if you saw that. >> Yeah. What is going on? >> This Mike Lee guy. >> Yeah, that same guy. >> Same [ __ ] guy from he he's trying to. like Utah guy, right?

>> The Utah guy. Um, >> so right now it's like there's this this. bill that was going to be introduced. It. was like talking about wildfires. essentially. Um, but it's like uh it's. what he's done is he's tied in this. public land piece to it. Well, like they. always do. There's always these other. provisions tied in with all these bills. Right. Right. >> And uh you don't really know what you're. agreeing to or what you're not. Um, but. he he put in this uh roadless area.

section because there's 400 or 45. million acres of roadless area that he. wants access to. Basically, they're not saying this. They're saying. for some other reason, I think. Oh, here's what they said. We have so many. acres of of roadless area that to fight. wildfires, we need roads. Okay. They. don't care about fighting wildfires. It's resource extraction. >> or development, right? >> Maybe development, but development's a. tough cell in a lot of those wilderness.

areas. But what's not a tough. >> That's what they tried with this. Remember remember the affordable housing. like oh just the areas. >> they tried to say that's what it was. that was supposedly affordable housing. which like years ago I went back and. talked to Jason Chafus. He was uh he was. a representative there in Utah. And I. went back there and spoke to him and be. at that time it was about uh surplus. acreage. So there's three million. surplus acres nobody's using. >> Someone told me that has something to do. with the Mormon religion.

>> That the Mormon religion has a. philosophy about selling land that's. very different than our philosophy. It. might public land. >> I'm not and I think. >> somebody told me that. See if there's. any reality to that that the Mormons. almost have like a mandate to try to. sell land. >> Mhm. >> I don't know if that makes any sense. This is not my thought. Someone told me. this and I was like, "Wait, what?" And I. don't think I ever looked it up, >> right? That I do that, too. Like I'm. like, "I'm I need to look that up and.

never do." And then I never know. anything more. But yeah, so I went back, talked to Jason. At that time it was uh. surplus acreage. Then this time it was. affordable housing. Now, this time it's. wild wildfire fighting, which if you get. into the weeds on fighting wildfires, it's there's the National Forest Service. already has 10 billion dollar of road. work they need to do on roads that are. failing right now. So, they're saying. you're going to add more roads to the 10. billion worth of work that the roads. already need maintenance on. Don't think.

so. Um what what they're going to do is. and then also if you make roads the the. stats say 85 to 90% of fires are started. within a half mile of road of a road. So. it's not the wilderness areas that are. in danger that we need to figure out how. to fight fires back there. There's. hardly any fires back there. It's always. about the roads we've created that we. can't maintain. That's where the the. fires are starting. Right. >> Right. Because it's usually people. >> It's it's it's human cause. 90% of the.

time it's. that's only like a small percentage of. fires that can't be fought. >> Here it is. Some Utah politicians who. are members of the LDS Mormon church. have pushed proposals to sell or. transfer federal public lands, but this. is a political movement, not an official. LDS church program, and other Mormon. groups openly oppose it. So, Utah's see. more disinformation. Somebody tried to. feed me and I kind of helped spread it, right? >> Utah's heavily dominated by federal. land. 42% of the state is managed by the.

Bureau of Land Management alone. Even. more under other federal agencies. because so much federal so much of. Utah's federal fights over whether to. retain, transfer, or sell some of that. land is especially intense there. Yeah, this next part is about Mike Lee, which. >> conservative Utah Republicans such as. Senator Mike Lee have proposed budget or. legislative plans that would make. millions of acres of western public land. eligible for sale, arguing it would. boost housing or local economies. The. housing thing is like, hey man, [ __ ].

you. No, >> you're not putting houses in the. mountains. I don't believe you. I think. most likely what you're doing is there's. natural gas out there or minerals out. there or something. It's uh I mean they. don't care about first of all they'd. have to build infrastructure out there. in the mountains which you know water. power that's not going to happen. What. is this Wyoming thing? Says that Wyoming. case would have been the first time a. registered national historic site was. sold into private ownership which is why. it drew attention. What what are they.

referring to though? uh a national historic site among Oregon. Trail could end up in the hands of. private owners at the request of members. of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day. Saints. >> Oh, so the church tried to purchase. public land. >> So down down to that next one, it says. LDS teachings require strong stewardship. and explicitly advocate preserving and. protecting public land. So. >> okay, >> that goes against politicians. >> like what he's doing and I think he's.

like beholden to Trump. Trump's like his. errand boy for this public land thing. because Trump doesn't give a [ __ ] about. public land. >> But his son does. This is what doesn't. make any sense. Like his Donald Trump. Jr. >> Does he listen to anybody? >> I don't know. >> I don't think so. >> Listen to me about psychedelics. >> Well, that Okay, we'll talk to him about. this. >> Is that again with sneaky roadless rule. amendment? Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, maybe if I see him this. weekend. Well, I will see him this. weekend, but maybe I'll talk to him. about that. But I don't think. >> there was a there was a sentence in.

there that I just saw. It says 99% right. here. N right in the middle. 99% of. Americans oppose repealing the rules of. this rule. Okay. So why they work for. us? Isn't it isn't that right? So the. reason why I got to this is because you. talked about the mountain lions. It's. like why don't they listen to people. like the public? The public would say, "Yeah, we probably need to hunt mountain. lions, keep them manager." I don't think. the public of California would. >> I think I'm opposed to that. I'm opposed.

to ballot box biologists. Me too. >> So they got wolves into Colorado. >> But I'm just wondering like with this. this roadless rule. They didn't ask the. public anything, >> right? >> And 99% of the public oppose it. >> Yeah. That's way I think I would say way. more people oppose that than oppose any. kind of a hunting thing. >> Yeah. I I'm good with Okay. So on your. point then I want biologists making the. decision on hunting. >> 100%. >> I don't want politicians making the. decision on land use.

>> 100%. >> So that's that's all I'm that's all I'm. saying. It's like let's have experts in. the field decide these things. It's like. who is the expert in the field who. decided the White House needs a. ballroom? >> Uh me. I [laughter] called in. No, >> but it's like how are these decisions. being made? Like this roadless rule. This was like a lastm minute add-on that. the public did not get a chance to vote. on. >> How is that how is that okay? >> No, it's not okay. It's it's super. [ __ ] sneaky. And I think all of our.

position should be like your t-shirt, >> the Teddy Roosevelt position, not one. acre. Like we have a amazing system. here. We do. >> The public land system in the United. States is completely unique to the rest. of the world. It's very different. and. the fact that you can go out there and. that is your land. If you are a citizen. of the United States of America, public. land is your land and you have access to. incredible wilderness and beautiful. places. And if you've got the endurance. and the ability to go deep in there, you.

could go to places where there's no. [ __ ] people and it's unbelievably. pristine wilderness and it's owned by. the entire country. And we got to keep. it that way. We can't we can't let that. slippery slope. get get into play. As soon as they start. giving away some of it or selling away. some of it, they'll they'll [ __ ] keep. going. >> Not one acre. >> What once once you lose something, you. don't get it back. >> ever. >> And this especially with this public. land like at this time when when we all. came together, it was outdoorsmen in all.

regards. It was hunting, hiking, fishing, uh, who whoever uh recreators. Yeah. like what it's like people who. just love and appreciate public lands. We all came together, shot it down and. the public sentiment was was vicious, right? And they couldn't ignore it. We. need the same thing now because at this. time I know we did so much. Everybody. came together. But when they do these. they wear us down with these these last. minute deals and add on these things.

because it's like how many things can. you keep fighting and fighting and. fighting and you're like I thought we. already got this. Didn't we solve this. already and now it's back? >> Well, I think that's one of the reasons. why they keep so many [ __ ] balls in. the air at the same time is because you. can't fight it all. You know, it's like, do you really care about the Epstein. files or do you care about UFO. disclosure? >> Yeah, I know. >> The UF UAPs, we're going to have a big. meeting on Monday. We're going to have a. big release on Wednesday. >> Okay. >> So, I think they took to me it seems. pretty nefarious that they're like say,

"Oh, we got all these [ __ ] [ __ ]. worried about this roadless rule. Okay, we can distract some of them with the. aliens. Got an alien stuff. All right. Okay. Oh, we could uh we could distract. some of them with fighting. We got the. White House fight coming up. Okay, that's And now all of a sudden now it's. way quieter because they've distracted. some of these core core groups with this. other [ __ ] right? And it's the. bread and circus thing. And like I kind. of agree with Bryce Mitchell who said. this that it's not for the White House. to be putting on sporting events. That's.

not We hire the government to run our. country, not entertain us. >> True. Yeah. No, I look I don't like it. because I think they should be fighting. indoors always. I think world. championship fights at the highest level. should be fought in a controlled. environment. That said, it's going to be. sick. >> It's going to be It's going to be I'm. going to watch. >> I have two like people think, "Oh, Rogan's negative." Nope. I'm not. negative. But I'm not positive either. I. don't if it was me, if I was running the.

the UFC, I would never run the UFC. But. if I was running the UFC, I would have. never wanted to do it. >> Yeah. >> I would have said, "We can't do it. They. have to be in a controlled environment. We can't have a world championship. fight. We can't have someone win or lose. because they're outside and it's muggy.". >> Yeah. >> That doesn't make any sense to me. It's. going to affect the grappling. It's. going to be like hot oil wrestling. Everyone's going to be sweaty as [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> It's going to be completely different. than And also your endurance is going to. be less. No, no submission's going. probably gonna happen. >> Well, in other maybe, but also you can.

get under a neck way quicker, right? Slide your arm through there. >> Yeah, if you could cinch up a rear naked. choke with someone sweaty, you can get. it right under the chin. It's like it. slides in there. >> But most grapplers would not prefer. that. Most grapplers would prefer an air. conditioned arena like normal. It should. be [ __ ] 72° just like it always is, you know? It should be air conditioned. like it always is. But even the the. controlling the hands because you know. like if you're top or bottom like a big.

part is like the wrist control like if. you're sweaty. >> Oh yeah. >> That's tough. I mean. >> back in the old days dudes used to lie. down in a bathtub filled with baby oil. >> Yeah. >> And then they would wash it off and so. then they would uh you know get warmed. up and then when they would start. sweating the baby oil would come out of. their pores cuz it's like when you soak. in baby oil for hours. I'm not accused. of any individuals doing this, but I. know for a fact it happened. [laughter]. And guys would be completely greased up. and you could wipe them down with a.

towel. It wouldn't matter. I mean, the. grease is everywhere. It's in their. [ __ ] pores. And as soon as they start. sweating, you try to get a hold of them, it's just it's like trying to hold on to. a [ __ ] salmon in the middle of the. water. They just slip right out of your. fingers. >> Well, that happens, too, if you eat. McDonald's all the time. Just kind of. [laughter] grease out your pores. So, they should try that. >> Maybe that'll work. I think that'll. affect your performance more. [laughter]. But the uh the the sweat is going to be. a big issue. The outside the bugs, that's going to be a big issue. >> Thunderstorms. >> Oh, yeah. >> It's going to rain. >> Looking at another forecast. This.

>> starting around 2:00 rain. [clears throat] 3:00 thunderstorms. 7:00. rain. >> It looks great. >> Oh, by 8:00 it's only showers. Don't be. a [ __ ]. >> Just showers. Yeah, maybe they'll cancel. it. Look, I think if they canceled it. and moved it indoors, it'd be better for. everybody. I don't like it. I think I. the idea was like they want the the. octagon, the White House behind it. Yeah. For image and everything like. that. It's going to be dope. The card is. sick. It's a [ __ ] amazing card. >> The card I mean it's only seven fights. and all of them are bangers from the.

opening one with Steve Garcia and Diego. Lopez. Bam right off the gate. It's like. Bo Nickel and Kyle Donawas. Bam right. out the gate. I mean it's it's going to. be a sick [ __ ] card. The card's. amazing. >> I I That does look incredible. That's. the lightning catcher that they put over. there. [laughter]. [gasps]. >> Yeah, it's going to be nuts. It's going. to be nuts if it happens. >> But if it rains like crazy, you know, but I mean, everybody will love it if it. rains. All the the people who hate it. Yeah. Rain on those mega [ __ ].

>> Oh god, >> you're ruining our country, man. >> I know. >> It's uh very divided time. >> Oh, it's it's nuts. >> Yeah. But um like I said, my. concern is for the athletes. Uh a. fighter's career is very short. A loss. is devastating. And to not have perfect. conditions to fight in, I think is. crazy. >> Yeah. >> But it's also going to be sick. It's. like being there is going to be nuts. And maybe it's worth it. I don't know.

We'll find out. >> Well, you you got to hand it to Dana for. going big like he always does. >> He always does. >> I mean, you know, they. >> he always does. He was at the the Sphere. in Vegas, right? It's like, wasn't that. was out of the box, but it was amazing. >> Yeah, that was sick. That was a one time. only thing. That was so much money. But. this is a one time only thing. supposedly, too. But apparently Trump. doesn't want to take the octagon down. He wants to leave it up. >> Really? [laughter]. >> I don't know, man.

>> I'm. >> I think it'd be great have guys like, you know, come in and train at the White. House for a couple weeks. That'd be the. next gimmick. >> I mean, why not? [ __ ] it. >> Yeah, it's just. >> the whole thing's chaos anyway. >> It's a crazy time. >> I mean, what Biden could have a giant. LBGT flag in front of the White House. and have trans people pulling their. breasts out. Remember that? >> Like they had big pride day. They had. big pride flag in front of the White. House. Like, >> I'll take I'll take this over that. >> It's like all of it is silly. Yeah, it's. all s That should have nothing to do. with the White House. This should have. nothing to do with the White House,

>> but you know, and then there's a lawsuit. right now. >> like people are trying to sue to keep. the UFC out the way. They'll probably. lose. I don't I'm not a lawyer. I don't. know, but I would imagine they're not. going to win. >> I'm a I'm a huge fighting fan, UFC fan. I you know, Dana White is like an icon. I love all the fighters. I just love. everything about it. It's uh I [snorts]. just, you know, I kind of agree with. Bryce Mitchell's take on it, which you. can get in trouble with agreeing with. him because he has a lot of takes, but.

[laughter] uh but on this one, I I kind. of get it. And um yeah, I mean, I don't. blame the fighters at all for jumping to. this opportunity. >> No, they have to do it. >> The whole world's going to watch. >> It's going to be probably the most. watched sporting event. maybe in history. >> Mhm. I mean, uh, it's on Paramount, so. it'll be on CBS as well, right? So, it'll be probably avail. >> Yes. >> So, it's on CBS as well. So, it'll be. available to everybody. And then all the. haters are going to watch it, too.

They're going to want to talk [ __ ] So, it'll probably be covered on CNN. What a. disaster it was. [laughter] And they. already talked a lot about how I'm not. into it. >> But I I have to be honest about what I'm. into and what I'm not into. I can't just. agree with something if I don't agree. with it. I'll be respectful. I'll, you. know, I'm obviously a huge fan of the. UFC and it's always an honor to work for. them and I love it, but I don't like it. But I'll still when I'm there I'm like, "Oh, this is sick.".

>> And maybe after it's over, I'm like, "They were right." Or maybe it'll be. like, "Oh, it [ __ ] rained. It was. what a [ __ ] show. It was lightning. They. canceled the fights. It was a huge. disaster for CBS.". >> It's live sports. It's like, you never. know. I mean, if they pull the entire. audience out and just have the guys. fight in the cage under the the canopy, now I'm in. >> Yeah, that's like Apex style. >> Now I like it. Now I like it. No crowd, just us. Just me, DC, and Anic. >> That'd be pretty fun. >> Now I like it. Now I like it. And you. know, we're protected by the rain, but.

everybody else isn't. So they all have. to leave. [laughter]. >> [ __ ] yeah. Cuz I think it's going to be. also a lot of like look at me. people. [snorts] are gonna dress up nice for it. and like because they know they're going. to be on television and it's you know I. get it but I it's really for me it's. about the fights there's there's. gigantic fights on that card the Justin. Gate Ilia fight. >> I am very interested in that fight I'm. very interested in that fight I really. wish it was like at the T-Mobile or. Madison Square Garden or whatever but.

who cares I I that's a fight I have a. lot of questions about I need to see. that fight happen. >> I mean Justin's quite a bit bigger But. Ilia is so skilled, >> bro. He's I watched a a whole um I. watched his entire career last night. >> Mhm. So, there was a the UFC put out a. video about Ilia saying, "Is Ilia. Taporia the GOAT?" And it goes from his. f first fight. um uh in the UFC to his last victory and.

you watch every single fight of his. career and you watch him get better over. time and you know it gets deeper into. his career and then you you see his last. three fights and you're like, "Good. lord.". >> Yeah. like he was awesome when he first. entered the UFC, but he just kept. getting better. So, the Ysef Sal fights, the first fight that goes to a decision, you know, um and and then um uh you you. watch the progression. He starts KOing. people. >> His last three KOs over the biggest.

stars. >> They're some of the greatest of all. time. >> Max. >> Yeah. >> Who whoa. >> Yeah. >> Charles, one of the greatest of all. times. Max Holloway, one of the greatest. of all times. And then Alexander. Vulcanowski, the greatest featherweight. of all time. Yeah. Like [ __ ] crazy, man. >> Knocked them out. >> Knocked all three of them out. That's. one of the greatest resumes of all time. CBS won't air UFC White House event. Viewers would need Paramount Plus to. watch. What happened? >> Did they back out of it?

>> This is [clears throat] news to me. I. just saw. >> Oh, >> they would not televise it. Uh that. means you I wonder if like Paramount. White decided uh cited the plan to tell. America story during the show as the. reason CBS would not be involved. What the plan to tell America's story? >> What? That doesn't make sense. >> What does that mean? Uh we don't want to. talk about America's story on CBS. No, because there's only x number of fights. and it starts from the first one. White.

said, "We start at the beginning of. time, and like the Mexican independence. day fight, we're going to have the story. of America from the first fight to the. last. So, no, they'll all be on. paramount." So, it's going to start out. with European settlers coming over and. giving everyone smallox. And then you're. going to see all the Indians die. And. then we're going to go, "Oh, look at all. these buffalo." Because there's no one. there to kill them. And then we're going. to see people come across on wagon. trains and kill each other. It should be. fun. >> Yeah. >> It's like a good story. [laughter]. >> It's going to be a very accurate story. of how the United States started. It'll.

start from back when we [ __ ] up Mexico. in like what was that? 1861 to get. Texas. >> No. What year did they No, it was like. 1821, wasn't it? Like that that Mexico owned. Texas. >> We'll start from the beginning. We'll go. all the way to buying Alaska for like 50. bucks. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. People love it. Why wouldn't you. want? >> It'd be good. It' be good. It'd be. great. >> It Yeah. It's uh I don't know. It's It's.

going to be a spectacle for sure. I'll. be tuning in. >> Yeah. >> But. >> I'll be there. >> Yeah. It's going to be You're at the. White House all the time now. >> I've been there a couple times. [laughter]. >> Yeah. It's weird. It's very weird. It's. also very weird because um as much as. people hate Trump and hate his decisions. and hate what he's doing and hate how he. talks and I. >> My experiences with him personally have. always been fun, unfortunately. Yeah. Unfortunately for everybody else, like. uh you know, if he likes you and you're.

on his good side, he's a fun guy to be. around. He says a lot of fun [ __ ]. >> The [ __ ] man loves America. He. genuinely does. He really does. Like he. wants to make the White House look. better. He wants to build this ballroom. cuz he want like he has good intentions. in terms of America. It's just there is. not a single [ __ ] person that's ever. taken the job of the president of the. United States that's loved by everybody. >> Yeah. >> But his the the issues that he's having.

right now is a lot of the stuff that is. going on in this country is contrary to. what people voted for and that's what. people are upset about. The war the war. specifically. >> that I don't you know we voted for. protecting the border. >> Uhhuh. >> Um. >> and they did that. >> Yeah. It's uh or American manufacturing. um protecting America's interests like. with trade with uh just protecting. people's jobs so we have a way to to.

work and provide for our family. America. first that was what that sounded good to. me and it feels like this isn't any of. that. Like I it feels like even his. administration at first I was just like. oh [ __ ] these are some this is good. But. it feels like if you go against him in. any way, you're [ __ ] gone. >> Well, it's that for sure. And then it's. also, you know, the amount of political. pressure. You know, you have to make. deals, right? So, you got the.

pharmaceutical drug companies that are. trying to squeeze this in there and then. you got the oil companies trying to. squeeze that and the military is trying. to squeeze this and. >> there's a lot of compromises that have. to be made and that's where things get. dark. Yeah. Because there's people that. come in with these ideas that we're. going to fix this and clean that. Like. I've had long conversations with RFK and. that guy's in struggle all day. It's a. battle all day. Yeah. It's dealing with. all these pressures. And. >> look, they've made a lot of headway. They've made a lot of headway with with.

peptides. They made a lot of headway. with uh eliminating some of these uh. unnecessary food dyes and all these. different things that we've been subject. to. But they lost with glyphosate. >> Yeah. >> And that was a big one, man. Glyphosate. was a big one. >> You know, I've got a guy coming on who's. an expert in it that's going to talk. about it soon. And it it is the the. people that are gaslighting you to say. it's not an issue. We don't really know. how much of the health problems that a. lot of people have who consume uh.

glyphosater products have. We don't know. how much it's affecting you. What is it. taking away from your immune system? What is it taking away from how much is. your body processing this [ __ ] toxic. herbicide that's in your system versus I. mean how much of that is contributing to. people's health problems? There's a lot. of people that think that that's what a. lot of this gluten allergy [ __ ] is that. people are just reacting to yeah. >> bromate and pesticides and herbicides.

But is what's that stat with Iowa being. the center for glyophate basically with. all the agriculture there and then. that's like the hot bed for cancer? >> Yeah. >> I mean, yeah, >> you don't have to look very far to see. that connection. >> No, you don't. No. Well, you know, that. was also back in the day when people. were when people talk about the polio. epidemic. You can't talk about the polio. epidemic without also talking about. spraying of DDT all over the [ __ ]. country because DDT poisoning has the. exact same reaction the body has the.

exact same reaction as polo as paralytic. polo polio polo. >> polio you know the disease like there's. this woman who wrote a great book on it. um uh. >> Suzanne Humphre is it called uh. dissolving illusions and it's all about. that and all about like f first of all. they were spraying it behind cars in. streets where children were playing and. people were getting polio. >> I remember seeing kids like running.

through it. >> but it wasn't just people that were. getting polio this is part of the. problem with the narrative that it's. polio animals were getting polio. >> like animals were getting polio but they. don't get polio it doesn't spread to. animals but the horses and [ __ ] cows. were getting paralyzed they were getting. the same symptoms because it's [ __ ]. DD tea poisoning. >> Yeah. >> And here's the craziest one. What. percentage of polio is asymptomatic? Meaning you get it and you have no. symptoms. >> I don't know. >> 95 to 99%. >> Really?

>> Yeah. >> So it's people have it. >> This it's DDT. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's DDT that I mean look, it's not. saying that some people that are very. sick and immune compromised get polio. and get [ __ ] up and die. Of course. polio is bad. Thousands of people die. every year from the flu. Flu is bad, right? Okay. But you know what else is. bad? DDT. And you know what's what else. is going on? When everybody was going. through this whole polio epidemic, [ __ ] spraying DDT everywhere. And. most people are ignorant to it. Yeah. >> And you bring it up. They call you a. conspiracy theorist, but it's [ __ ].

fact. It's undeniable. >> Well, I I was like, you know, the. controlling the weather. I was like, that's conspiracy. But then I started. seeing the planes like laying the. [ __ ] clouds out. Have you seen Have. you seen it? >> Yes. And no. Okay. So, I actually did a. show on this. >> You did? >> Yes. I did a not an episode of the. podcast. I did an episode of Joe Rogan. Questions Everything. Know that show. that I used to do back in the day. >> We did a whole episode on chemtrails. And one of the things we first of all,

the reason why it looks like that, this. is just a fact. The reason why it looks. like that is there's condensation in the. atmosphere. You have a hot jet engine. It's passing through this cool air. And. the hot jet engine and the cool wet air. creates clouds. Yeah, >> those clouds are real. It's artificial. clouds. >> Also, they spray [ __ ] in the air. Two. things are happening at the same time. >> Yeah, cuz you see the normal planes, you. see the normal jetream, you're like, "Okay, checks out." Then you see the. other ones and it's a different jetream.

>> Yeah. But it doesn't matter. The the. condensation in the atmosphere is. inconsistent. >> But they're making. >> just like clouds are inconsistent. >> But you can we we watched them the other. day make laps. >> Yeah. But it might not be the same. plane. It might just be a route, right? You're not watching the entire plane go. all the way down land and come back. >> No. No. But you're watching consistent. plane travels, but that's why it looks. like that. But it's just days where. there's a lot of condensation in the. atmosphere. Dude, I'm telling you, listen,

>> those planes, if you're looking at a. Southwest flight and they're not. spraying, okay? But some planes spray. [ __ ] And there are some weather. modification experiments they do that. are completely top secret. They don't. let anybody know about it. They do cloud. seeding. They cause floods. Look at what. happened with [ __ ] Dubai. You ever. see that Dubai [ __ ] where Lamborghinis. are floating down the highway? >> Yeah. >> That is people [ __ ] with the. environment. >> That's what I thought was con conspiracy. before, which I don't now.

>> No, it's real. Well, Abu Dhabi does it. every week. Abu Dhabi makes it rain. every week with cloud seeding. >> And because they're rich, they're like, "Fuck it. Make it rain. Make it. [laughter] rain." And so. >> there's there's real weather. modification. Now that's there's cloud. seeding and then there's experimental. [ __ ] like some of the [ __ ] that like. Bill Gates was talking about like. spraying reflective particles in the. atmosphere to block out the sun. Like. hey [ __ ] face. Yeah. >> Who are you to make a decision for the. whole world to cool the world?

>> You didn't even graduate college. [laughter] Shut the [ __ ] up. Like this. is crazy. And also the consequences of. any tenet. What if this [ __ ] starts the next ice. age and everybody [ __ ] dies, >> right? I know. I mean, >> it's get the [ __ ] out of the air. Leave. us alone. Stop playing God. You don't. know what you're doing. And also, do you. have any money invested in any of these. projects that are attached to this?

>> For sure. This, you know, we talk about. all this stuff, you know. Oh, I I didn't. want to say this. So for public land, I. want to say this is part of my notes. Call your senators. Say you want the. roadless rule kept intact. Say we don't. want to get rid of of the 45 million. acres that that are going to be. protected with the roadless rule, but to. call your senators is 202243121. Say say you uh you want the roadless. rules kept intact. And we have to we.

have to let our voices heard. Our voice. were was heard on this not one acre. We. won that one. We have to do it again. You have to call your senators and say. and and just voice your concerns. >> It's a slippery slope. You can't let. them have any ground. >> But like what I um. here's what this thing was really pissed. me off because as I said, the. administration at first I thought, okay, we got some we got some good pipe. hitters in there. It feels like they do. what Trump says. If they don't, they're.

gone. They're like they're the scapegoat. for whatever failed. They're out of. there. Um, you can see the writing on. the wall. Like I don't I was I wanted. Tulsi to get in there and kick ass cuz I. knew how she felt about the war in Iran. and and like that would have how. detrimental that would be. So I was like. I I believed in her and now with her. husband getting sick and now she's out. of there. But it feels like people are. it's like if you stand up for something, you're gone. And now they got this Mark.

Wayne Mullen in there who just two days. ago for this road roadless rule, he. unwinded 31 laws that were going to. protect the the public land, right? Just. 31 laws. He just said, "Yeah, those. aren't going to apply anymore because we. need to." They awarded a $ 1.7 billion. dollar contract to build a wall in Texas. at Big Bin National Park. $ 1.7 million. do billion dollars has been awarded and. it wasn't even bid to build this wall in.

Big Bin National Park here. It's like. how the public doesn't want that. We. don't want a [ __ ] wall. >> What's the wall for? >> They're saying for border protection. And if you look at like where the border. crossings are, it's not in the middle of. the [ __ ] park. >> So, what do you think that wall is. really for? >> I don't know. [ __ ] up national a. national park, one of the most pristine. places in Texas. I don't know what the. goal is. But. >> have you read into it, though? Is there. any arguments pro and con that the walls.

>> I'm sure there is. I'm sure it's for. border protection. I mean, maybe Jamie. can look it up. >> Yeah. Let's see if there's is there like. a. >> there was no public input on it again, >> right? That's the problem. And then the. problem is again they can come up with. reasons why you know they have to make. some new laws because well we got to. protect people. Yeah. And that's how the. slippery slope begins. >> It was a co like you know safe and. effective protect your communities. It's. like you got to do this for safety. Well. it's the same thing. Trump.

administration will bypass environmental. laws for border project in Big Ben. National Park. So what is does it say. what the argument for it is? >> According to preliminary federal notice, latest regulatory waiver will apply to. more than 100 miles of US Mexico border. So it's a border law. >> Yeah. from near clo near near the closed. canyon trail in Big Ben Ranch State Park. through the entirety of Big Ben National. Park into remote parts of southeastern. Brewster County. In the notice, Homeland.

Security Mark Wayne Mullen wrote, "The. administration is bypassing a wide range. of laws to ensure the expeditious. expeditious construction of barriers and. roads along the southern border. While. US Customs and Border Protection. continues to insist it will not build a. 30-foot tall steel border wall in either. the state or national park, the AY's. current plans call for a mix of vehicle. barriers, surveillance technology, and.

patrol road upgrades in the parks as a. part of a project dubbed dubbed Big Ben. 4. >> So, this is like not not listening to. the experts. Again, six former. superintendents of Big Ben National Park. pinned a letter to Mullen urging them. not to take such a step. So again, not. listening to the experts, just like the. ballot box biology, just doing whatever. the [ __ ] they want. Doesn't matter what. the public or the expert thinks they're. thinks they're going to do. It award. these bids to the probably some. construction outfit this guy's invested. in for $1.7 billion with no bid. It's.

like, how is this how is this okay? >> Yeah, it's very I don't understand it. Is there a lot of crossings in there? >> No, there's not. That's the thing. they. have where all the crossings happen. There's like this tiniest percentage in. that park. >> cuz it seems like it's probably a very. remote area of Mexico that it connects. to as well, right? So, it'd be very. difficult to get through that way. >> And also, if you're going to get through. that way, like good lord, >> right? >> You're going into like tough country.

>> Yeah. And you know, that's that's good. elk country down there. I know people. who hunt like. >> West Texas, >> good good bulls. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it's like I just I I don't. know. It's uh so if you look at the. millions of Americans who treasure Big. Bend, you know, they don't want. construction down there. And especially. if if we voted on it, fine. If there was. a reason, fine. But it was never voted. on. >> Yeah. It says uh the horrific plans are. an affront to the millions of Americans. who treasure Big Ben. Lake Jordal, uh,

an advocate with the Center for. Biological Diversity said in a. statement, "Politicians who've never set. foot here are signing a death warrant. for this wild and beautiful place.". >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> And that's, you know, I've heard. somebody, you know, pretty close with. Trump tell me that he's never walked on. dirt before. >> Trump has never walked on dirt. He plays. golf. >> Has to have walked on dirt. >> Grass, baby. >> That's very dirt. >> Not on his course. But the but the point. is it's like somebody who doesn't.

appreciate public land. >> They don't give a [ __ ] about this. >> No, they don't give a [ __ ] they don't. they're not going to see it and they. never would see it. There is a border. wall going up there too though. >> There as well. >> Same spot. >> Same spot. >> Yeah. Look, um, they have to protect the. border, but if there's not a lot of. crossings there and all of a sudden you. want to spend all this money to build a. steel border, like who's getting the. contract. >> and just to award that with no bid, it's. just not that's not I was a a public. buyer. That's not how it works. You're.

spending public money. You can't just. spend public money without a bid, >> right? I mean, but they bypass all this. [ __ ] that has the checks and balance in. place to ensure that we're making good. decisions with public money. They bypass. it all. >> And then you know who suffers here? It's. the people who don't have like some some. people they go to the park for mental. health. They want to go camp. They want. it's like they might not have two. nickels to their name, but they're. appreciating nature. That's why public.

land is so important because that gives. purpose to people like me who's less. like I got to get out of this [ __ ] hole. city and go recharge, right? >> So for people who don't appreciate that. or care about that, that's that's wasted. land. It's like we could have a shopping. mall, we could have investors doing. this, we could have make this where. because right now they they would say. that well not everybody can can uh um. take advantage of this because you have. to hike, you have to do these things. So. we want to make it more accessible. so. more people can enjoy it. No.

>> Yeah, >> that's that's not how it works. >> You're going to [ __ ] it up. >> Yeah. >> You can't just have helicopter landing. plaids all over the [ __ ] woods. >> There's There's your Yeah, there's your. contract. >> Spike in border wall spending goes. mostly to two firms with GOP White House. ties. Construction contracts, including. $2.6 6 billion awarded this week are. being awarded to at a historic scale. through a streamlined process that could. put Trump on track to realize his vision.

for a border wall. >> Mhm. Yeah. See that streamline process. >> that was bypassing 31 laws. >> And so what's there now? Like what is. the border now between Mexico and the. United States in that area? Is it just. land? Like you just walk right right. across? >> It's probably the river. Look, what is it? What is the border? Can we find that out, Jamie? >> Does it say? Oh, >> it doesn't say, but I'll look. >> Okay, let's just look. Go up. Let's look. at the map. >> Okay. Yeah. >> And see what the map looks like.

>> Okay, let's see. >> So, that's where it is. Texas. Yeah. Or. >> So, is that the river that blocks it? >> Well, the river blocks the whole bottom. of the border technically, except. there's certain parts of the river. I. mean, look at that. >> It's not that hard to get across that. river. >> Look at that one. >> Well, I mean, people aren't going to go there.

to cross. >> That's crazy. Look how beautiful that. [laughter] is. >> It's amazing. >> God, that's so beautiful. >> No, they're they're not going there to. cross. >> Yeah, that's all mountainous. I don't. know. I mean, it's hard to see, actually. Where is the most border. crossings? >> Well, for a while it was like where they. had that road where they were just. letting people through. >> Most border crossings are in actually in. Arizona. >> Really? >> Yeah. I'm I'm almost positive. So, I'm. sure Jaime's going to find it here. >> I was I'm asking it how many happened. through Big Ben National Park.

>> Yeah. >> [ __ ] one. >> 30. Got to stop him. $84 [clears throat]. billion. >> Yeah. It's just like God. [laughter] I. don't know. Just stuff like this. So. what happens is like you get distracted. with the Israel, the bombing of the. girls school, the Epstein files, and. then they do [ __ ] like this. >> Okay. The only official border crossing. inside Big Ben National Park is the. Bokeias port of entry, and it sees on. the order of about 10,000 legal. crossings by visitors per year, plus a. relatively small number of unauthorized.

crossings compared with other parts of. the US Mexico border. >> What exists in Big Ben? Big Ben National. Park shares about 118 miles of border. with Mexico along the Rio Grand. The. only legal port of entry actually inside. the park is Bokeia's crossing. Small. pedestrian only crossing to the Bakias. del Carman, Mexico. National Park. Service information and travel videos. describe Bokeias uh as handling roughly. 10,000 visitor crossings per year.

>> Yeah, those those are mostly all legal. So. >> 734. >> uh border patrol sector sees only a. fraction of total southwest border. crossings. One report cited 30 734. people documented crossing in that. sector by more than 27,000. along the entire US Mexico border uh in. a given period. And like what year was. that where it was uh 734? Was that. before they shut down the. >> the border? What's really crazy how many.

people came in the country? >> Oh, I know. >> The fact that over four years it's north. of 10 million. And I've talked to people. that think it's 20. >> It doesn't say. >> doesn't say no. And it it it just shows. those out of the 27,000, but it doesn't. say they're illegal. >> So, it's not a hot spot of crossing. >> The last the last slide there said it's. just a smallest fraction if is illegal. of that 734. Those were like total. crossings in that area. A smallest.

fraction was illegal. So, it's No, it's. not. It's BS, >> right? It's BS. And they're just going. to do it because they got a nice. contract. >> and I want a wall. Beautiful wall. >> Yeah. But why. >> giant wall. >> in the National Park? >> No. Um, the Washington Post reported last. week, the skyrocketing border wall. contracts now totaling more than 19.4 4. billion in the last six months have. mostly gone to Bernard and Fiser. That's. prompted a lawsuit against the Trump. administration from a would-be rival.

border wall builder who [laughter]. claims that the government doled out. billions in contracts without genuine. competitive opportunities. >> Yeah. >> All right. See, that's illegal. I mean, but that's what they're doing. >> Yeah. >> No bueno. >> No. And and so but but as I was saying, they distract us with all this other. stuff and push through [ __ ] like this. Like who knows what a Senate what the. Senate or House is voting on on a. [ __ ] Tuesday. Well, it was this. public land thing.

>> Mhm. >> And you know, just add it in in the. middle of the night. We have no no say. on it. We're distracted with all this. fights at the UFC with Israel doing. whatever the [ __ ] they're doing. And. it's just like, oh, we just lost all. this public land, too. >> Mhm. And it's like it's it's impossible. to keep up on. That's what's frustrating. >> You know what's not frustrating? This. bare meat. [laughter] It's pretty. [ __ ] good. >> Yeah. That's that's uh Man, >> that's legit. >> But what what Okay. So that.

>> So what can be done? This bill hasn't. passed, right? >> No. Now it's going to go to the Senate. So it was in the House. The Then here's. what here's the problem. So, this was. originally this uh roadless rule was. bipartisan. Everybody agreed, let's. protect this. Now, with Mike Lee adding. this language in there, now it's turned. um now there's lines in the sand. And. nine um Republican senators voted with.

the Democrats on this to to allow this. the roadless rule to get to be in there. So, now it goes to the full Senate. Now, they're going to need whatever the the. percentage is, six, I think 60% of a. full Senate vote. >> um for it to pass. So, we'll see. >> So, now the scumbag lobbyists get. involved. Yep. >> And they start pressuring people and. help you do this and I'll do that and. help me here and I'll help you there. >> When they get overwhelmed because of. switchboards, if people call that 202. number, like I said, then that makes it.

to everybody. And. >> what's that number again? 202243421. Say you're you want to keep the roadless. rule intact. You don't want to sell off. public lands. You don't want to This is. all BS. Um but they they do this and um. yeah, the lobbyists get involved and. what happens is like what happened with. the big beautiful bill is this part was. in there and Trump wanted it in there. but it was causing such a friction he. was just like I want my big beautiful.

bill passed. these guys are [ __ ] it. up with this public land stuff. Pull. that out. Let's get this through. So. they did. They pulled out this. We saved. the public land. Who knows what what we. lost that that was also attached. But. anyway, we saved public land at that. time. They're going to for affordable. housing. Same thing has to happen here. He's got this language added into the. [ __ ] they were already working on. That. changes, you know, we've had we've had. this in place for decades and and it's. worked, right? So we have to say no, we're not down with this. And they have.

to pull it out again. Well, I hope we. can get it through. We'll push it. You. got it up on social media where people. can Cameron Haynes Instagram. >> I will for sure. But, uh, it's like, you know, it's this is so important. because it it's so important to people. without a voice. So, it's like I feel. sometimes like, how did I get in this. position? I know you do, too. Like, where you're at the White House, you're. just like, how the how the [ __ ] could. somebody like me earn this opportunity,

right? You've earned it through decades. and decades of work, of being curious, of being fair, of being positive, of. caring, and now people want to come on. and share their thoughts with you. That. gives you a platform. You've the most. powerful voice probably in the world at. in in some at some times. And so, you. get invited to the White House. And I. know like for me, I know they've used me. there before. Like, yeah, I I created. value in myself. Um, they invited me. there for Veterans Day and I said, "No,

I'm not going because I don't [ __ ]. agree with this war in Iran. I don't. agree with all this [ __ ] I don't want. to go and have a picture in the [ __ ]. White House so people could be like, "See, see see you, you [ __ ] you're. part of this. You you know, cuz we did. We we thought that Trump was the best. option at the last election." I did. I. 100% believed he was better. >> The thing is, he might still have been. the best option. >> He might be, but and and that's fine. I. don't know what would have happened if. the the Kla Harris administration had a.

continuation of the Biden. administration. >> I don't want people coming in the border. unchecked by the millions. I didn't want. that. I didn't want, you know, this. celebration of transgenderism. I have no. problem with transgenders or. crossdressers or any I have no problem. or gay or anything like that. I just. don't want it promoted just crazily to. our youth. That's it. I don't want youth. getting surgery that their parents don't. know about because they can't have a say.

in it now. I don't I didn't want any of. that. So, of course, I'm going to vote. for Trump. Right now, I don't like any. of this [ __ ] So, I have the my right is. to say, "No, I'm not down with this. >> and I'm not going to the [ __ ] I'm not. going to be in your picture at the. [ __ ] White House so you can use it.". And all the people who listen to me. would be like, "Oh, well, [ __ ] He was. >> So, they wanted you to go for was it was. Veterans Day? And what was the the. premise of having you there? >> I don't know. But. >> but you're not a veteran. So what was. the premise? >> It it it's only because I have a big. platform.

>> So they're going to celebrate Veterans. Day at the White House and they just. said, "Let's get some famous people.". >> Probably. I mean, it's it's you know, remember the Epstein Files where all the. influencers had the binder? >> Well, it was Pam Bondi. >> Yeah. But. >> and there was uh there was a few other. influencers, >> but they use they they you can use. people like us for their messaging. >> Uhhuh. >> And then they invited me back again. after now I've been pretty critical of. this administration just because I care. And it's just like I don't have to agree.

with [ __ ] lock step with the person I. voted for. That's our right as citizens. to be like I voted for that but I don't. agree with this and I'm not happy about. this and I'm and I want you to know. that's that's our right as voters. Would. they invite you back again for. >> this? This was back. It was for a public. land thing. And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm. down for it." But I just know I had this. this kid on Benji Backer. He's like uh. has this this page, this nonpartisan. something for outdoors. But I did this. show with him and I there was uh you.

know, bringing different people into. debate public land or like to share why. we care about public land coming from. different places, but it's still all. important to us. I did the show with. him. Well, he went I had him on the. podcast. He talked about his how he's. working hard to protect public land. He. went back and Trump signed an executive. order. Something about public land and. all it was was a pomp and circumstance. photo op to get executive order. Nothing. has happened to it. Nothing has happened.

with it. No actions been taken. It was. like all it was was uh just they could. make a press clipping out of it. >> Theater. >> A theater. and nothing's going to. change. Nothing changes. Nothing's. protected. So that's what I feel like a. lot of these times if I get invited. there, it's for that is to is to make my. base if I have a base. I don't have I'm. not a politician, but to make my people. like feel a little better about. whatever's going on. And I understand. that's how it works. You want powerful. people on your side, right? I'm not.

saying I'm powerful, but I have a a. pretty big following. I just I just I. went back there because it's a huge. honor like the few times that I've been. back there and is amazing and it's like. being in the White House, somebody like. me should never be there, but I've. created value in my name and in some. ways that I get that opportunity, but. that opportunity comes with a price. So. now I have to think about. am I true to what I believe in by. showing support for this? And now it's. too there's too much for me that I'm not.

happy with that I can't ignore it. personally. So that's I feel like they. use they use opportunities like that. for, you know, for press. >> Well, the the it seems like there's so. many different people that want a piece. of the pie. And if there's these giant. contracts for border walls and giant. contracts for this, it's just such an. incentive to do things that people don't. want. >> Or what about the military drones? those. contracts when this war started. That's.

you can look into who who made money on. that one. >> Who made money on that one? >> Should we look it up, Jamie? >> Drone military contract. Let's see who. made money. I don't want to say it. >> But you know, huh? >> Okay. Well, I don't know. So, I'm I'm. going to be surprised. >> Yeah. So, um. >> maybe maybe not. >> But like when you follow the money, >> it makes a lot of sense. Of course, >> when you follow when you follow Apac, you're like, "Why is this politician. always pushing this [ __ ]. >> Where do they get their money?" Oh, I.

know this guy back home. He's running. for like this local politician thing. His name's Adam. He's like, >> he goes, I. >> Don Jr. What? >> What? Jamie, what did you find? >> Wait a minute. >> What did you. This has got to be a mistake. >> Eric and Don Jr. invest in military. drone company amid Iran war. Is it. Jamie? Where'd you find this? >> That seems like propaganda from Iran. [laughter] or something. >> Is that a cartoon? Iran's cartoon.

uh propaganda again? Um, no. But so. anyway, you start I was talking about. this local guy back home and he said. that he goes, "I need to call Israel.". He goes, "It is so hard to get money for. like to run as a in whatever. It was. just a local election. But you go to a. business, they say, "Yeah, here I got. $18 I can contribute." Right? Where so. you see these big politicians, you see. how much money they're getting. It's. like, wait, what's this AP pack thing?

Why did they get millions? Oh, then you. start wondering how they're voting on. things. You're like, this is making a. lot more sense. >> It's like, where's the money coming. from? >> Yeah. They have to take all that out of. politics. Oh my god. I don't know how. you could at this point, but when you. can influence politicians and influence. who gets promoted to be voted for, who. gets put out into the public eye in a in. a in a great light, in a positive light, and then you realize that there's just.

all this money from corporations to get. this person in or from other foreign. countries to get this person in or from. lobbyists to get this person in. And. you're like, "Wait, that why? That's not. serving us." No, it's like. >> and how do you stop that? And when did. Okay, here's a big question. When did. money officially become a problem in. politics? I know that's a very broad. question, but put that in perplexity and. see what it says. >> The Citizens United thing was a big.

deal, but I think it was 2012. >> What thing is that? >> Citizens United. >> Citizens United. That was 2012. I think. so. >> That changed it a lot, but it was always. a problem before that. I. >> mean, there was always been a Like. >> when did corporations become a real. problem? >> Like when did Apac become a problem? Like when [laughter] did when did Apac. form and when did they start donating to. American politicians? >> Yeah, it's uh first of all, I don't.

think any foreign government, anyone. connected to foreign government should. have any influence whatsoever on. American politics. >> I've heard our politicians say their. loyalty is to Israel. That is crazy. I've I've heard people say that too. >> 2022. >> 2022, they not direct directly start. donating to US political candidates. until 2022. >> [ __ ] Jesus. >> So I if I don't I mean if I remember. correctly, Trump didn't take any money. from Israel his first election.

and now he just gave an award to. somebody. You can see who who he just. gave an award to. >> Oh, he gave an award. What kind? One of. them big ones. One of them nice ones. They put them around your neck and you. stand there in the Oval Office. >> Yep. Who contributed. >> like you just won the Olympics? >> Who contributed 250 million to his last. election. >> Oh. >> So, do you want an award? >> That's how much you got to pay for an. award. I don't [laughter] I don't really. want an award. I wouldn't know what to. do with it anyway. >> So, to me that So, you said like if.

>> 2022 I would imagine Ape would have. around much. >> I would have thought I didn't know that. actually. But when I look at like if you. look at um Thomas Massie, he got in the. crosshairs of the president for whatever. reason, right? He got they had a. candidate they wanted him to lose to and. he did he did lose. >> Yeah. So here's the thing. We we'll get. to that in a second. Here's. [clears throat] the thing. Citizens. United decision is widely seen as having.

created serious problems in US politics. by vastly increasing the role of big. money and reducing transparency. And so. this was what year, Jamie? >> I want to say it was 2012. >> Okay. 2011, 2010, 201. So 2010 Supreme Court decision further. tilted. >> tilted. >> Yeah. Tilted political influence towards. wealthy donors and corporations. That's. when we got [ __ ] Yeah, >> I think that's when it started treating. corporations like a person and gave them.

rights in some way. See that second. bullet point? >> Supercharge packs which can take. unlimited contributions from wealthy. donors to spend unlimited amounts in. So. that's how they control the elections. right there. >> And that was the Obama administration. >> Dark money. >> Dark money from groups that don't fully. disclose donors have exploded. Voters. often cannot see who's really funding. major political campaigns. So, we need. to just [ __ ] tune the way back. machine to 2009. But even then, like. 2009 is after they bailed out the.

[ __ ] banks. >> Yeah. >> Well, 15 years later, Citizens United. defined the 2024 election. Yep. There it. is. We're [ __ ] [snorts]. >> It's a slippery slope. >> Yeah. That's So, >> I don't That's like. >> Ruth Ginsburg right there called it the. worst ruling of her time on the court. >> Whoa. Overwhelming majorities of. Americans have consistently expressed. disapproval of the ruling with at least. 22 states and hundreds of cities voting. to support a constitutional amendment to. overturn it. Citizens United reshaped. political campaigns in profound ways,

giving corporations and billionaire. funded super PACs a central role in US. elections and making untraceable dark. money a major force in politics. And yet. it may only be now in the aftermath of. the 2024 election we could begin to. understand the full impact of the. decision. >> And it and it's perfect too because. citizens united. So this is like the. language they use to dupe us. Like oh. Citizens United this. >> we're together. >> This is good right? >> Just like the Patriot Act. >> Yeah. Or like in Oregon that hunting.

thing. It's called the Peace Act. >> Oh yeah. Tell talk about that because. that one's bonkers. >> Yeah. So this is nuts. So this is same. thing. It's just it's follow the money. If you want to know why we're so [ __ ]. up, follow the money. Um, [clears throat] so the IP28, this is a a. crazy thing. They want to here's here's. where I I'll just explain Oregon real. quick. Oregon is like a petri dish for. these crazy ideas, for these political. ideas. Like if you think of uh.

legalizing recreational drug use, you. know, we did that in Oregon. Like. heroin, meth, you can have that. It's. fine. It's whatever. >> I think they turned that back, right? >> But they tried it to see how it would. work in Oregon. >> Yeah. It didn't work out so well. >> Right. Now, this is another crazy one, but they try it in Oregon cuz it's very. We got a huge liberal population in in. Portland and Eugene and some of these. and Salem, but uh. >> not just liberals. >> Retards. >> Yeah, they're they're more than just cuz.

I'm I'm friends with liberals for sure. >> Yeah, they're gone. They're they're at. the far end of the political spectrum on. the left. They're full-on communists. Yeah. >> Socialists. No meat. Everyone should be. a vegan. They want everybody to get. bitten by that tick. Yeah, I mean so much. >> We should talk about that, too. We'll. get to that in a minute. But, um, so the. law the the new thing the bill they're. trying to pass. ban first of all. >> uh was it was it the may who was it the.

governor of Washington? Which which. governor was it? Oregon or Washington. that tried to make it so that you have. to have a [ __ ] license to paddle. board. >> Oh, probably Washington. I would say, >> can you [ __ ] imagine telling someone. that they have to have a license to. paddle a [ __ ] canoe? >> Yeah. Well, >> you have to pay the state money. [laughter]. to have a license to paddle a [ __ ]. canoe. >> They also made it like during CO like. some guy was out fishing by himself in. the lake. I think he got a ticket.

>> A guy got arrested when he was uh. surfing by himself in California, right? >> Why are you going to get sick out there. in the middle of the ocean surfing? >> It's just silly. But this IP28, they. bill it as, you know, on the So they'll. they'll do this thing like go to get. these votes, they needed 117,000 votes. to get this on the ballot. So to to get. 117,000 people to sign your petition um. basically all it said was stop animal. cruelty. >> All you have to do is go to Portland and.

visit one homeless shelter. >> Just say, "Hey, do you want to stop. animal cruelty?". >> Right. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I love animals. Well, I love animals, too. Oh, we signed this. So, they didn't tell you that it's. making, you know, you can't fish, you. can't hunt, you can't raise animals like. like. >> backyard chickens. You can't raise. backyard chickens. Just like even. ranchers, you sell beef. You can't do. it. They're making it like even the. breeding of animals like we breed cows, we breed horses. Um there's stud feeds,

there's different things. It makes. better race like like uh raceh horses, but there's also better product for for. beef, right? So, we control like when uh. when a cow goes into heat, when it gets. bred, things like that. That's part of. like being a rancher. Well, they want to. make that like cuz a cow didn't agree to. it. It's like rape. It's like sexual. assault. Like you can't control when. animals breed. So, that takes away. ranching. There is no ranching, right? So they want to make it to where they're.

not going to make eating meat illegal, but if people can't raise it, you're. buying it from some other state at a. higher price. You get. >> you're eliminating ranches in Oregon. >> In Oregon. Yeah. So it's it's killing a. whole industry. Crazy. And they could. say that like even if you if you hurt an. animal, um I don't know what like. >> you could get charged with assault. So. this is they want every animal treated. like your family pet or dog. >> Oh,

>> and but the thing is. >> so if you kill a chicken for food, you. go to jail. >> Yeah. Yeah. I was wondering like if you. you know how you're driving a car and. like sometimes a bird flies in front of. you, >> right? You going to get arrested for. that. >> Yeah. That but. >> you're responsible for your vehicle, you. killed that squirrel. >> So this guy who introduced this, this is. the third attempt at doing this. He. knows he's not going to get the vote. because how it'll work to get on the val. ballot, they take 6% of the votes cast. in the last governor governor election.

So 6% of the last votes casted. So it's. a small number, but it's 117,000. Um they can get that many by just saying. stop animal cruelty. Now it goes to the. ballot. Um but he knows this is his. third time. He knows this isn't going to. pass, but it's like it just tells them. what they need to work on, what language. they need to change. It's all part of. this long-term process to get hunting. and fishing stopped, right? Because I. think like in general, the government,

they like consumers. They don't like. people being too uh um self-sufficient. They like them relying on that. This is. another step. Like if we can get rid of. ranchers, hunting and fishing, don't. need the guns, don't need to be killing. stuff, then you're just like, we'll. provide the meat for you. Bill Gates. owns all this land. You talked about. Bill Gates before and him making. decisions on [ __ ] he doesn't know. anything about. He dropped out of. college. But did you say he dropped out. of college or Yeah. So, it's uh it's. they want to be able to control who's.

who's providing the food, who's making. the money, what type of food it is. Um, you know, it's like it goes back to the. whole WC thing. It's like you will own. nothing and be happy. It's like that's. they want these smart cities working. towards that to where no, you don't need. to be a badass hunter anymore. We we got. it, >> right? And they they can use these nutty. progressive people as just useful idiots. to push things through. >> That's all it is. >> Yeah. And then you get a bunch of people. that are pushing money packs that are. pushing money towards these people to. fund them. >> to push these wacky ideas. You go, why.

would they do that? Well, that's why. they do that. They do that because they. want you dependent on them, >> right? And this is part of this process. where it doesn't happen overnight. And. this thing won't won't make it into law. for sure, but they'll see where they're. at. This will be like, okay, here's. where we're at. Here's what we need to. change on our messaging. Here's where. the biggest push back was and they. adjust where. can we do that on the other side? It's. like I know there's there's farming and. ranchies or organizations, but like it's.

it's money. It's like who's giving these. people the money? It's usually coming. from out of state and u they have more. money and they're more organized than. people who are are working cuz when. you're a rancher, you're [ __ ] working. all the time. You don't you can't go get. signatures and [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> You got work to do. these [ __ ] these. environmental people that are just crazy. like extremists, they get paid for doing. this. So, it's like that's how that's. their job. You know, a rancher has a he.

has a job and it's very hard. He doesn't. have time to go out and and talk knock. on doors. >> That's the really [ __ ] up part is a. lot of these people that are these. protesters, these organizers, that is. their job. >> And that's hard for people to really. understand. And until you listen to. people like Mike Benz where he breaks. down how NOS's work and how they fund. things. >> and the fact that like most of these. things are a [ __ ] scam. Most. nonprofits are a [ __ ] scam.

>> Definitely. >> And it's hard for people to wrap their. head around that because you think of. nonprofit like, "Oh, my son works for a. nonprofit. Oh, he must be a good guy.". Yeah. >> He's like trying to help. And maybe he. is a good guy. Maybe he starts out a. good guy. But then you you're corrupted. by this system that you realize like oh. no the nonprofit is essentially about. supporting the nonprofit and most of the. money goes to the supporting of this. organization. The overhead the structure. all all the infrastructure all the. people working there. >> They all get paid very well and then a.

little piece goes to whatever the [ __ ]. it is. >> The people starting them the nonprofit. will be like okay first I'm going to. need this much money. >> Exactly. Oh, you want to be my VP? I can. count on you. I'm You're going to make. this much money. So, that's what. happens. And then whatever's left is. like that's their, you know, that they. can't write off. That's what they. contribute. >> Yeah. Um, what did I see this? Oh, this. is another one that I saw about. nonprofit hospitals.

Do you know that nonprofit hospitals are. the most profitable? >> Yeah. [laughter]. Yeah, for sure. They can just hide that money. They. charge crazy amounts for. >> How crazy is that? Like nonprofit are. the most profitable. >> Yeah. >> So this whole idea it's it's all just. [ __ ]. >> This most of what you think of as like. philanthropy is really like the Bill. Gates stuff. >> Yeah. >> There's a great book called [ __ ] what is.

the name of the book? I read this book. of controls and it's all about how a lot. of these guys they they. realize that they were having public. image problems like particularly Bill. Gates like during the uh antirust. lawsuits with Microsoft. >> Yeah. >> Then he tr pivots to this Bill and. Melinda Gates Foundation where it's all. about philanthropy but they're. philanthrop capitalists. All the. different philanthropy ventures are. extremely profitable. Like he made $500.

million allegedly off the COVID vaccine, off of his investments in this vaccine. It didn't even [ __ ] work well. >> Yeah, I think Trump got paid paid with. that, too. But it's like uh Yeah, it's. it, you know, the money thing. I don't. know. The citizens, the regular citizens. are the ones that pay the price for this. [ __ ]. >> Yeah, it's it's dark. And so here it is. Put your heads headset on real quick. Listen us this guy talk about. >> congressman recently described some. nonprofit hospitals as hedge funds with.

hospital beds. >> person say that nonprofit hospitals were. like hedge funds with hospital beds and. I was like I bet they are what's going. on here because in the United States. more than half of our hospitals are. nonprofits but the hospital world. doesn't feel very nonprofity and then I. read this article by Scott Hodgej in the. Washington Post that talked about how. they need to be taxed and it turns out. that the total revenues of nonprofit. hospitals in America in 2023, so three. years ago, was $1.3 trillion. And it.

turns out that they're getting a bunch. of taxpayer money. In fact, 3 years ago, so this is probably a lot more now, nonprofit hospitals were making $45. billion worth of profit. And as I. mentioned, we taxpayers give them a. bunch of money. In fact, in 2021, we. gave them $ 38 billion, 11.5 billion of it because they don't. have to pay any taxes. And that was 5. years ago. So, this is probably more. like 60 billion now. And the reason that. we hypothetically give them this money. as taxpayers is because they're supposed.

to do charity. But there was a study. that looked at almost 1,500 nonprofit. hospitals and found that 86% of them. provided little or no charity. And. that's because almost everybody that. goes to hospitals has insurance. Is. either private health insurance or. insurance from the government. Only 3%. of people don't have health insurance. And it's not like the hospitals give. them a deal. Turns out that the. government was checking this out around. 2009. The hospital spun up a lobbying. campaign and got any requirements that. would basically define what kind of.

charity they would have to do squashed. So now it's kind of the honor system. So. I was like, where are those billions of. dollars going that the nonprofit. hospitals make in profits? Turns out it. goes to executives like these CEOs who. are getting paid about $4.5 million a. year. Meanwhile, their nurses make about. 70K. 4.5 million a year here. apparently. management consultants getting billions. of dollars from nonprofit hospitals. And. here's a guy, Robert, at a hospital in. New York who paid himself $15.3 million. a year. Nonprofit hospital. And there. are really good nonprofit hospitals that.

are primarily funded by donations and. serve lowincome families and people in. need like St. Jude or like the Shriners. But it looks like about 86% of these. nonprofit hospitals get 50 or 60 billion. from US taxpayers like you and me. because they're supposed to do some form. of charity. But they paid off the. government so they don't have to really. do charity. And some of their CEOs are. making $15.3 million a year while we. subsidize them with like $50 billion. Do. you think this is right? I saw this. conversation. >> So this is P. Davis Jones on Instagram.

>> Mhm. >> [ __ ] See, it's like it's again. it's just like the UFO thing. Y. >> it's there's distractions. >> There's so much to pay attention to. There's so much [ __ ] fraud and. there's so much. This is what Elon told. me when he started looking into the Doge. stuff. He's like, "It's impossible to. describe the amount of fraud.". >> He's like, "It's insane." That's what. Nick Shirley found in Minnesota when he. went to investigate the daycarees and. also found in California with hospice.

care centers. There's entire motel where. every room was supposed to be an office. for some [ __ ] nonprofit and they're. all just siphoning money. >> It's madness. So that's like that's what. it makes regular people like me like. what's the answer? It's like what's the. point to all this? Meanwhile, I'm paying. out my ass in taxes for [ __ ] like this. >> Yeah. >> And or for war. >> It's like. >> Yeah. All of it's gross.

>> Yeah. >> Every single Yeah. I mean, uh, what. we're going to have to have is some sort. of sort of like radical transparency. where all this stuff gets exposed and. gets exposed like probably with some AI. program and no one's going to want to. turn that on, >> right? >> They're never going to want everyone to. know exactly how much fraud and how much. [ __ ] terrible management they've done. with our money. >> Oh, >> like the Pentagon's never passed an. audit once. No, not one. Zero. And you. look at. >> you don't pass an audit, you're going to.

jail. >> For sure. >> Yeah. Not that. >> You look at Yeah. how much we're in. debt. All the shenanigans they do with. the public money. It's just like. >> that's over exaggerated. We're only in. debt $39 trillion. That's not a big. deal. >> Isn't that crazy? >> You know, the thing is they could just. print $39 trillion and it's done. >> Yeah. Just pay it off. >> The reason why they don't is because. they have really good control. >> God, they're doing a great job. >> It's a one one thing on this hunting. thing. I I do have to give credit to Dan. Gates and Howell. It's like they've done. a good job in Colorado like fighting. this. This is like been um we've won a.

few things there. Um. >> have they tried to do the same thing. with Oregon in Colorado? The same kind. of thing. >> Well, no. What Dan is doing, he's um. he's got out there initiative 302 and. it's going to make hunting and fishing. in Colorado a constitutional right. >> Okay. So hopefully that you know how. these just like this this lobbyist and. this IP28 they're seeing what works and. what they can get away with and kind of. planning for the future. Well, if Dan is.

successful with this initiative 302. passing that will be like how we can. address this in the future to protect. hunting and fishing because if it can go. through there this is like the litmus. test for it then okay maybe we can do. this in other states also. So, this is a. big one coming up they're working on. right now. But, I mean, we have to we. just have to get more savvy politically. to when they're doing [ __ ] like this, we. have to be more in tune, you know, and. educated on it. >> God, it's such a bummer, though, because. like the people that I know like Mike. Benz that do this all day. I do not.

envy. >> I mean, Mike Benz makes these live. streams where he's just exposing and. they they last for hours. Like, who's. going to go through them all? Well, >> and he's exposing all these different. companies. >> Be nice. be positive. >> We didn't do any of that. >> How do [laughter] how do you how do you. talk about this? >> It's hard. >> in a nice and positive way. >> It's very very very difficult. Very. especially because these are real. problems. >> I la last on my li Well, I don't know. what's up on the list, but uh um Oh, I.

do want to talk about this Pokemon. I. want to shout out Ryan Callahan from. Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. He you. know Ocal. >> Sure. Sure. Great guy. >> Bust his ass for this [ __ ] Martin. Heinrich, which is he's a senator there. in New Mexico. He's I think he's a. Democrat. I don't give a [ __ ] about. Democrat, Republican, whoever. He just. fights for public lands and he's a. badass. And then also Ron Weiden there. in Oregon, who normally I'd probably. never agree with anything on cuz, you.

know, it's just different. But he is he. does get I want I want to give those. guys credit for trying their best to. protect and fight against this public. land selloff. and Mike Lee and um this. energy re resource committee which is. you know they're beholden to a different. set of values. Usually it's money. related and these guys are kind of. fighting for for the guys like us who. just enjoy being out in the mountains. >> So you know you're being positive. >> Yeah. I just wanted to tell those guys.

are doing great. But um I I was going to. bring this up. This is like the whole. scandal I've been involved with. recently, which is feels like a lot for. me, which I don't like, but I my point. on it is I feel like um Well, let's. explain the scandal before you get into. that. So, you won the Oregon Marathon in. your uh age category. >> Yeah. >> And then someone started complaining. because you had taken BPC 157.

>> Yep. which is a band substance. >> Yeah. >> So, you had take, for people that don't. know, as ridiculous as it sounds, Cam. broke his foot like two years ago. You. broke your foot like two years ago and. you never got it fixed. So, all these. miles you've been running, you've been. running with a broken foot. >> and uh you went to ways to Well, they. treated your foot with stem cells and. they injected BPC57 into your foot to. help. >> help your foot heal. Um, is it healed.

now? Is the bone like fused up? >> Yeah. >> What did it do? It just grew back. >> Yeah, finally. It was like It took a. while cuz I didn't stop running. >> And what does it look like now on an. X-ray? >> It's like kind of the the bone is it was. a big break, like a pretty wide break, which is why the the surgeon didn't know. if it was going to be able to the bone. was going to be able to make it across. there because I kept like. >> moving. >> moving it. And um and he told me he's. like, you know, with this this is I just. had the same surgery done on my my thumb.

where the the ligament pulls a piece of. the bone off and breaks it, right? So. your ligaments and tendons very strong. the bone fracture. So what happened here. is I fell and I was doing a race and and. basically shredded my ligament, broke. this bone. So, they had to hope that the. bone was big enough to go attach it back. to where it broke from because bone on. bone healing is much better than. ligament to bone. It's like quicker, right? So, we need a piece of that bone.

Well, in my foot, they said he didn't. know how big that piece that broke off. was. So, there's a chance that it it. wouldn't reattach through surgery. So, which means he'd have to take the. ligament back to it. It's called a Jones. fracture. It's on the outside of my. foot. And um hope it it connected. But. that would be like stretching that. ligament beyond where it was supposed by. design. >> So it probably change the function of. your foot. >> It would it would change the dynamic of. my foot and how my foot and I run I have. a good stride. I run well and I'm and he.

said there's no guarantee that this will. attach like it should or that you know. you need another surgery if this doesn't. work and then another one to get the. hardware out. So I'm just like I really. don't want to do two or three surgeries. let's see if we can try other treatments. less invasive. If I can just deal with. this pain for long enough, would my foot. heal? And it has. Um, so I was like very. interested in not getting the surgery. based on, you know, he's a a renowned.

surgeon and he does all the surgeries on. the Oregon football team. He's a stud. Trust totally trust him. But I heard. what he was saying about like, hey, there's no guarantee this is going to. work perfect. And I took that to heart. So. >> when did you have the injury? How long. ago was It was June 16th of 2024. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Quite a long time ago, >> right? So, >> basically a solid two years. >> Yeah. So, I went in and I dealt with it. for I mean it hurt for a long time. I. just didn't want to stop living, you. know, and I'm like, "Okay, if it's just. pain, I have a very high pain tolerance. I don't care. I'm going to block that.

out and just do what I do." So, I did. I. did I did everything. I did all my. hunts. I did races. And it was terrible. And but I made it. I made it through and. my foot's healed. But so broke it in. June, went into ways 12 I think in July, went back in November, which is when I. got that stem cell back in it. And uh. when they put in the BPC there, that. that one time in November and um so that. was like that was a thing. And all I.

said, you know, I had a very fast Eugene. marathon time for me. Um I'm healthier. than now than I've ever been. I've. retired. I've done more specific. training. all these people, you know, I've been labeled as like a doper, right? Like almost like Lance Armstrong, like that. >> Well, you've been labeled by one very. specific person that is a professional. runner. >> who's also a vegan and has been very. vocal about you in an anti-hunting way. So, he's got that and and you're also.

your time your running time. He's is he. 18 years younger than you? >> Yes. >> And your running time is very similar to. his. >> His last marathon? Yeah. >> Yeah. And your running time of this. year's marathon, which you won in your. age class, is quicker than last year's. by quite a bit. >> Yeah. >> What people don't understand is last. year your [ __ ] foot was broken. >> I didn't run last year cuz I was hurt. So it was quicker than like the year. before,

>> right? Was your foot broken then? >> No. >> No. Okay. So, your time is quicker now. than it's ever been before after. recovering from your broken foot. >> Yeah. And. >> that's amazing. >> It's. >> But how much quicker? 10 minutes. >> It was My best time was in My very best. time was in 2006. Uh me and Lance. Armstrong, we did the New York Marathon. I didn't even see him during this one, but I ran 250, like 21 in New York. I. ran 250 quite a few times, like Boston. when I ran with Lance in 2008. I did run.

250 again and that's when we finished. together. Um, and you know, Trruit and I. were talking about this too just the. other day because Trruit, my son, he's. going for the Olympic trials qualifier. in the marathon, which means he needs to. run quicker than a 216. So, we were. talking about this and and it's just my. training and even his training because. I'm not a coach and I don't know. I just. run to get in shape for bow hunting, okay? I don't I'm not a pro. Um, but and.

I had him run and he's very talented, but I didn't know how to coach him. either. So, he hired a real coach. And. when you start getting into this. marathon training and specifics of it. and why you do certain certain exercises. and why there's certain stimulus from I. mean, I just had the winner of the. Eugene Marathon on my podcast and we did. a really fast run. We ran a 506 mile, which I had never done at mile seven of. an eight mile run. And then he said, "Okay, my His name's Jack Sadell. He's.

like an amazing athlete, has 1400. followers, which is kind of crazy that. this amazing talented people have a. small amount of following, but their. talent is incredible." So, he wanted I. ran with him just the other day and he. said, "Oh, I need to do eight 100 meter. strides, which is simply essentially. sprinting." after we ran super hard. eight miles, climbed 3,000 a 3,000 or. 2,000 foot mountain and uh did this fast.

pace, but he still had to get the. stimulus needed for what he's asking his. body to do, which is qualify for the. Olympics. Right? So, the stimulus is. what I've never done before. I've never. got on the track and did it. All I ever. did was just go run. I just run. It's. what I do. It's like, how do I move this. needle in the right direction in a. positive way? I got to put in work. How. I'd put in work was I'd go run mile. after mile after mile, some days 20. miles a day because I felt like that was. a a noble sacrifice for me and for.

achieving what goals I wanted, which was. bow hunting related, not not racing. related. Well, with Truit taking on this. Olympic trials qualifier journey, he's. he's been doing the stimulus, hired a. coach, and like, "Hey, Dad, you need to. do this type of stuff." You know, get on. the track. You wouldn't think you need. to get on track to run 26 miles quick, but you do because you need the stimulus. for your body. I had never done any of. that. I had never got enough sleep. I. would sleep, you know, if I was going to. do a marathon a day and still be at work. 10 hours a day, I'd have to get up at. start at 2:45 a.m. And I did. And.

sometimes I wouldn't go to bed until. midnight. I didn't care about sleep. You'd have Ma Dr. Matthew Walker on. here. I'd say, "Fuck that dork. I'm not. listening to sleep." It's like, "I don't. need sleep. I can still perform. Look. it, I just ran 26 miles yesterday on two. hours of sleep. But I wasn't performing. at my best because my I had to overcome. my body fatigue. So for decades, I would. work. Didn't miss a a day of work in 26. years. Never called in sick once. Always.

get my miles in. Always get my work. done. I was leading the crews. People. relied on me to be a good leader. I had. to be there. I'd still put in this work. I would not get any sleep. My body was. so depleted. I still did everything I. needed to do at the highest level I. could. Turns out the highest level I. could given those circumstances was a. 250 marathon. All right. So, I required. three or I mean I retired three years. ago. Now I'm getting sleep. Now I'm. doing sauna, cold pluns. I get, you. know, I spend, let's see, spend 2,000.

bucks a month on massage and body work. Um, and now with more specific training, like last year I ran with Truit. He ran. 238 in Boston, 234 in Eugene. We went on. a run right before that. He said, "Dad, I can't keep up with you. You You should. be going for the sub 230." He's trying. He was trying to break 230. He goes, "You should be going for the sub 230. You're you're faster than me." So, this.

was last year, but then I got hurt. So, last year I was going to break this same. record. This year I've been healthy. I knew I was going to get my fastest. time ever. I put up a a post and I said. PR or ER. I'm either getting a personal. record or I'm going to the emergency. room. I'm sending it. So I said PR ER. and I got a PR. I got 23911. One of the fastest ever for a. 58-year-old. And it's like that caused. people to pay attention which I get.

It's a very fast marathon for somebody. almost 60 years old. But you have to. look at the that the full picture and. say like this wasn't some just guy who. just started running been running. I've. been running since I'm 5 years old. I'm. 58. I was running pushing myself at five. running further than any other kid in. school winning an in awards. That was 53. years ago. Okay. I've been doing this a. while. I haven't been training. specifically because I didn't care. And.

so this guy said, "Oh, have, you know, he's like mad that I was so fast. He's. talked [ __ ] about Truid. I don't," and. I'm trying to be nice and be positive, so I'm not going to say his name. I'm. not going to I understand people who. want to protect clean sport. I applaud. USADA. I applaud Watada. I applaud Clean. Sports. I love it. It's it's it's. required for Olympic athletes to get. their just do. Um, for me, he he said, you know, he's talked [ __ ] about TRIO, which he's already on my radar. Cuz I.

remember Truit said, "Hey, there's this. elite guy who's saying that I'm. dishonoring the marathon because I have. no chance of getting this standard and. you know, I said, "Who?" And he said, >> "Why is that dishonoring the marathon?". >> Because he was saying like true was so. far away from his time that it was. unrealistic to even put that as a goal. My my point was he's a runner just like. you. He has a big dream just like you. had. Why [ __ ] on his dream? Somebody. says that that this dream, they want to.

do it. You're running. >> How would it be dishonorable to have a. lofty ambition? That doesn't even make. sense. It. >> that was just words. It the words are. associated because he's my son. >> So that's all that amounted to. Um. >> but I he was on my radar for that. because Truit told me and I said, "Who?". And I had didn't even really know who it. was. Looked him up. I'm just like, "Yeah, [ __ ] whatever. So anyway, I knew. the name. Well, he comes on my page. after this and he says something like he. dug up this old post from like 2011,

which is still up there and it talked. about the [ __ ] I was taking from it was. like complete nutrition which is like. GNC. >> and it was you know if you go to GNC. like you know mass gainer 2000 like. everything seems like it's a steroid. It's over the counter. It's not [ __ ]. steroids. You can't buy steroids over. the counter. Everything that on that. thing that I was doing, I was sponsored. by Complete Nutrition. All over the. counter supplements. It's like there's. no [ __ ] EPO on here. It's like what. these people try to make it sound like.

It was just [ __ ] that I was lifting. weights. >> This is from 15 years ago, >> 2011. It's a It's a blog post. He still. has it. Yeah. >> It's like like I said, praying around. like a trophy. It's like [ __ ] over. the counter. Whatever. >> So. he said I said, "Are you still talking. about that?" This is like late at night. I was kind of irritated. Didn't doesn't. guy irritates me anyway. So he said, "Could you pass a USADA drug test?" And. I said, "I have no idea. It has nothing. to do with me. I don't give a [ __ ].

Probably not, though, because I I didn't. actually I didn't even know, but I know. it's very restrictive." And I've had a. lot of Olympians and things on my show. We don't talk about the drug test stuff. We're just like, we just go running. Well, what what stuff would you take had. you taken that wouldn't allow you to. pass a drug test? >> Like the stuff you're taking now? Like. what supplements can you not take? Because there's a lot of stuff that. people just take normally that you can't. take. Peptides are one of them, right?

>> I certain peptides. Certain peptides. >> I think you can take certain ones, but. >> I don't even know cuz I decid I had. never looked at the list. I tried to. with this when this came up. Well, there's the other thing is uh a lot of. people fail just by taking supplements. >> because there's third party there's. contamination of supplements. That's. that's what happened to Sugar Ali with. ostine. It's happened to you know a lot. of athletes. >> with this. Most of the stuff that you. would buy at like a GNC probably an.

Olympian couldn't take or they'd have to. check it out, right? Because it's like. how clean is a lab? how, you know, susceptible is to contamination. So, a. lot of them like they're thinking about. this [ __ ] every day. Like, it's their. whole life. If they get if they pop hot, their career is over. >> Yeah. >> So, it's it's a huge. >> I had Jordan Burroughs in here and he. wouldn't even uh try a Kill Cliff CBD. drink. >> Yeah. Right. >> He's like, I don't think I can take. this. >> Well, I had Cheeto in on my show and I.

said, "Hey, you want to try a ketone?". He's like, "I don't I don't So he called. Jeff Ninsky. >> and he said, "Could I take this ketone. IQ?" And Jeff said, "Well, depends on. what batch is approved." So the batch of. the ketone IQ that was made has to be. approved. The other batch might not be. approved. So you could fail from that. other batch. I didn't know any of that. [ __ ] but he called him right right. before we did it. So he didn't take it. It's just like So there's things like.

that where it's just it's nonstop. I. don't know if I can take this, this, that. I've never been in that position. because I'm I just run to bow hunt. I've. never looked at these lists. I've never. done anything. But a lot of stuff that, you know, pseudafed is on there. Um ADHD. medicine is on there, you can't take or. you have to get what they call a. therapeutic use exemption. So, say if. you were a regular guy and you had low. testosterone and you wanted to do TRT, you could get that approved through a.

therapeutic use exemption. That's very. interesting. Through a doctor, you can. run in the marathon with a therapeutic. use exemption of testosterone, which is. a legitimate performance-enhancing. >> Theoretically, I I don't know if they'd. have to look at your numbers and where. you're at and like if this was real. >> Well, you're supposed to take a very. specific amount. Like this was the issue. with the UFC when the UFC had tues. >> when they had TRT, VTOR, those those. days when guys were taking like large. amounts of that [ __ ] And that's.

actually what stopped the program is. that people started testing like off the. [ __ ] charts for testosterone and they. realize like, okay, these guys are. straight up juicing. >> Yeah, for sure. >> So, but if you're a 60-year-old person. and you want to run the marathon and. you're on testosterone, it's legal. >> Yeah. Yeah. It and it and it should be. It's like um the TUE thing is still. probably abused in some ways because we. know these doctor patient relationships. You can say, "Hey, I want to do this. Can you make it sound like this?". >> Right. Of course,

>> and that's that's always going to be the. case. >> I'm not even I'm not even talk all I'm. saying is like for and I talk to. Olympians about this situation because I. want to make sure I understand it, right? It's like if if I'm as a regular. citizen, so there's 9,000 runners in the. Eugene Marathon. Are we all going to be. held to the standard of Olympic. athletes? That's. >> right. Are they testing everybody in the. Eugene Marathon? >> They didn't test anybody. >> Anybody. So there's there's prize money.

that that's paid out. There's Olympic. trials qualifying standards which are. met. So now you're in the Olympic. trials. And and I don't want to [ __ ] on. the Eugene Marathon because these small. smaller marathons, they don't have the. money to be testing 9,000 people or. probably these tests are expensive. So. there there's something to like if it's. a USATF, so United States of America. track and field association. If it's one. those events and it's for like a world.

championship or it's for like a a a team. position, I get it and it does need to. be for the Eugene Marathon with 9,000. people. It's not realistic to say we're. going to drug test everybody or if. you're taking whatever you need a. therapeutic use exemption because do you. think USADA could review say if people. are taking three or four different. medications times 9,000 they don't have. the resource to to go through all those. ties right it's not realistic so there.

should be in my opinion two categories. you got your regular runners which I'm. in and you got your elites which are. susceptible to this drug testing and. these requirements and that's totally. fair and I get that and it's kind of why. I've waited into this and said I'll be. the poster boy for this. I'll admit that. I took BPC57. to try to avoid surgery on my foot and. two years ago. >> and whatever the fallout, right? Whatever the fallout is is what it is. because this needs to be discussed. because I talk to all these regular.

people who are doing all this stuff just. to be healthy to enjoy something that. they love which is running or competing. in races and everybody like on the other. side on you know say the clean sport. side which I am on that side too trust. me I I want I want clean sport but. they're like saying that like my time. was so fast. it's almost into this they talk about. this age graded thing where like this. guy who brought it up said age greater. like so what that I think is what that.

looks at is like in my prime if I ran a. 239 at age 58 what was my potential when. I was in my prime right and it would is. super fast like you know like world like. 210 or 212 which would have won the. Olympics back when I was 25 you know. what I mean so I understand why my time. it's just like I'm almost too fast as a. regular citizen. to and it's kind of like this gray area.

like. should he be tested or I I whatever. But. all I'm saying like if the rule is to. test or if I know the rules, I'm down, dude. I'm I'm all for it. That's why. I've been so transparent about what I've. taken and what I've done and what I was. trying to avoid with the surgery. >> But it's also an important hiding. there's an important point about the. sign up thing. >> for the Eugene Marathon. If there's if. you're supposed to not take certain. supplements that's supposed to be stated. in in the marathon signup, right?

>> Yeah. Yeah. >> And it's not. >> Yeah. And I and I don't I've never I I. hardly look at that, but there's now. after all this, I looked at the waiverss. because, you know, USADA has been they. send me two really nice emails, just. lovely emails that I haven't responded. to. Um, and they they're trying to do. the best they can, but if these waivers. say, um, I looked at the waiver for I. did two races this year, Eugene Marathon. and Coca-Con 250, and the waivers.

mention liability and insurance things. Doesn't mention anything about US ATF or. drug testing or any of these. requirements. There's no mention of. What's also what the the thing that. doesn't make any sense is first of all. BPC57 is not a performance-enhancing. substance. >> Yeah. What. >> it it it helps heal soft tissue. injuries. It's very good for recovery. from injuries. >> That was one that's one issue. The other. issue is it was two [ __ ] years ago. There's no way that's affecting you in.

this year's Eugene Marathon. That is. long out of your system. >> It's a smoke screen. You know, we've. talked about smoke screens here. is. >> but what he's doing is he's basically. he's accusing you because you took BBC57. and he's saying you're lying about doing. all these other things. >> I've been called a liar, a cheater, a. doper, uh stealing. It's like. >> Yeah. But it's all fine. But this is. essentially what we were talking about. earlier. >> Yeah. >> What we were talking about earlier about. people that are outliers that are like. super successful and they be [ __ ] that. guy, that guy cheats, that guy this, that guy that. Same [ __ ] thing. Yeah.

>> This guy can't appreciate that. Here's a. guy who was running a [ __ ] marathon a. day while working an 8 hour job. I was. your friend then. >> This is real. I know you did this. I was. always telling you to quit your job. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> I was the first guy telling you quit. that [ __ ] job. You're killing. yourself. I was worried about you. because. >> I know that your mind is so strong that. you are willing to push your body to the. point where it could actually fail. And. willpower is really important. Um having.

a strong will will get you through so. much in life that other people will not. be able to pass. They will not be able. to break through. But will could also. get you killed, you know, and it could. also ruin your life. You could hurt. yourself to the point, you know, you. hurt your back or something to the point. where you never recover. It never comes. back. Like you have to there's like a a. fine line between mental toughness and. and just being able to see the big. picture and go it's actually smart to.

not be tough here. And it's not to deny. my toughness. I got to know that I am. tough and have confidence in my. toughness enough to give my body a break. and rest myself. >> That's why I was always worried about. you because you were doing things with. no [ __ ] sleep. And I saw it. I know. you did it. I watched that guy's not. doing this. And you have to understand. that the kind of willpower that a guy. like you has or a guy like Gogggins has. where they can do things where people go. no one could do that. The [ __ ] they. can't like how many UFC fighters have. you seen go and train with Gogggins and.

they're like Israel Adisagna world. champion world class guy throwing up at. a [ __ ] garbage can keep up with him. Tony Ferguson like who is known in the. MMA world for [ __ ] superhuman. endurance. Tony Ferguson would just walk. people down in his prime. He was El. Coule. He was the [ __ ] boogeyman cuz. he never got tired. And even if you. heard him, it didn't matter. He was. going to recover and come back after. you. He's coming. He was coming for your. [ __ ] soul. >> That guy was breaking down. Everybody.

breaks down. And it's. >> He's doing it in silence. No one even. knows. He's doing it with no music. He's. doing it by himself. No one's pushing. him. >> He's a [ __ ] full-on psychopath. They. are real. There's real people out there. that are really living like that. >> This guy should look at that and take. inspiration from it. But he's got these. ideological differences with you because. he's a vegan and because he thinks. hunting is cruel and you're an [ __ ]. and you're killing animals and meanwhile. he needs to eat one of them [ __ ]. [laughter] bear sticks. They're [ __ ].

delicious. Give me another one. I want I. want another one. [ __ ] awesome. They're they're great. But it's just. >> it's just what we're talking about. It's. if you and that guy actually had a. conversation. Thank you. If you and that. guy actually had a conversation and you. were civil and there was no cameras and. it was just two human beings having a. conversation, I I guarantee you probably. have way more in common than you do not, you know, outside of the ideological. differences about hunting and veganism. and maybe a lack of understanding about.

what even veganism entails because. because most of it entails largecale. monocrop agriculture. If you're if. you're just buying plants, you are. responsible for the death of a [ __ ]. countless number of creatures. Yeah. Fact. End of story. Especially if you. start talking about bees and avocados. and almonds. Oh, I'm eating almonds. I'm. healthy. You [ __ ] killed a 100red. billion bees. All right, stop. >> Yeah. >> Uh outside of that, what are you both.

doing? You're both pushing yourself to. the limits of your ability. And maybe if. that guy had a bear stick or two and had. some real protein, he'd have a better. time. >> Well, I I I mean. >> that's true, too, right? >> Yeah. I'm. >> He needs some real [ __ ] protein. >> I am friends with a lot of people just. like him in belief and like on the. political spectrum or even the diet. spectrum. And I it hasn't affected our. friendship at all because what I focus. on is what do we have in common? We love. the mountains. We love to run. We love.

to push ourselves. I don't need to align. with everybody 100%. So, I'm I'm friends. with tons of liberal people and love. them. It's like has nothing to do with. anything. It's uh but for for him, you. know, I was on the radar for a few. different reasons. This gave him like. the reason why like like BPC 157 is. banned for Olympians, not for a regular. person. Regular people can take it, right? >> So, I'm just like he's like, "Do you.

know what the rules are?" And I'm like, I don't give a [ __ ] about the rules. So. then he turned that into like he doesn't. care about the rules. He's going to do. everything anything he wants. I'm like, no, I don't care about rules that don't. apply to me. I'm just like. whatever. So the rules that apply to me. are is this rule. And it's like if you. want to talk about rules, I follow. rules. Like I talked about purchasing, you know, when I was a the the buyer at. my old job for 20 years, I had to go by. laws and rules every day. And so I'm I.

respect that is if it has to do with me. if it like affects me. I'm like, "Okay, I understand it." Well, this one, you. start bringing up these USATF sanctions. and what I need to know when I sign a. waiver for a race and and I look at the. waiver and the waiver doesn't mention. anything about this. This says if the. USF sanctioned event is, you know, if. we're talking drug testing, it says. related published materials must contain. the following language. So, when I see.

that it says it must contain the. following language in my contract days, I'm like, well, that didn't say should. or it didn't say may because should and. may means it doesn't have to, >> right? >> When it says must, it must. So, it says it must say this. athlete who participate in this compet. in this comp competition may be. subjected to formal drug testing in. accordance with US blah blah blah. So.

basically it has to have this language. and it has to spell out exactly what it. is. Their rules, their own rules say it. must be included. I've never seen this. language. It was never included in. anything that I've agreed to with these. in regard to these races. >> So there's no responsibility to go to. the website and find out what the. standards are just the waiver. Even if. they had a link like. >> okay right and so if they said if you. are going to race you must be held to. the standards of this race you can go. visit them on this website.

>> that's fine I would be like oh that was. my bad I didn't do that. >> they never mentioned it so if somebody. said like I didn't know BPC was banned. for Olympians at all before this I just. thought that it was another maybe you. could get a TUE for I or I didn't even. know what TUE was but because I just. it's not my world my world is bow. hunting I just try to get in as good. shape as I can. >> You're not trying to do it for money. You're just doing it to. >> I've never won money. I've never been on. a a national team. If I wanted to be, if.

that was what I was going to do, I would. know everything about the rules, everything about what I could take or. what I couldn't take. I mean, you can't. take THC, you know? I mean, they say you. can take it, but not on the day of. competition. So, you know how long THC. is in your system? >> Yeah. >> So, you took it the day before, but you. didn't but you're still going to test. hot for it. >> Can't run high. >> Yeah. But. but as long as that lasts in your. system, how are they going to prove if. you took it that morning? >> Well, they would have to be able to test. your levels right after you race and. they could determine whether or not you.

were actually intoxicated during the. race. That's how uh Nick Diaz got popped. by Takanori Gome. >> They said his his [ __ ] levels were. off the charts. >> Probably. Um, I don't believe it was uh. I believe that was I think that was. Pride and I think it was the first time. that Pride had an event in the United. States and they had it in Vegas, I. believe. See if that's that's right. It. was a long time ago. I want to say this. is. >> god I want to say like 2005. It was a.

big win when Nick beat Takorigi. Takeni. was one of the big stars uh over in. Pride and uh Nick uh he got him with a. go-go plat which is a crazy submission. off your back where you use the shin. against a guy's neck and you're grabbing. your foot from behind his head and nasty. >> but uh they said he was off the charts. They said he was high as a kite when he. was fighting which I [laughter] [ __ ]. love. >> But you you're not allowed to do that. and I think for good reasons. I don't. think you should be allowed. But look,

um the the the reality of uh these drug. tests are is that um if you're saying to. a person that you can't take it the day. of the competition, >> and they're a regular user. They're. they're they're going to have a lot of. THC in their system, right? They just. are. And also, you could you could take. a very high dose of edibles the day. before a race and you would still be. intoxicated the day of the race. >> That's that's um. >> So, what year was this?

>> Apparently, the commission felt the. level which Diaz tested at 175 was a. considering factor in his performance. during the fight. Dr. Tony Alamo, the. commission's chair, said that so it was. Nevada a result of uh 15 is considered. positive. But Nevada State Athletic. Commission has a threshold of 50 tests. positive for THC. They feel very. comfortable that everybody that tests. positive in Nevada is truly positive. Mr. Diaz was 175. This creates a unique.

situation. Uh I was there at the fight. I believe you were intoxicated and that. it made you numb to the pain. Did it. help you win? I think it did. >> I don't you know, listen, Diaz is going. to be numb to the pain anyway. He's one. of the toughest [ __ ] dudes that's. ever lived. >> Yeah. I don't I don't know if you can. make that argument. Did it help you win? Uh I think it probably relaxed him. He. likes it. He, you know, he probably. could go out there high and fight more. in his element, but he could fight in. his element anyway. He was one of the. best fighters on earth at the time. He's.

a worldclass fighter. The idea that that. helped him win is like, >> yeah, >> prove it. >> Prove it. He was beating everybody. anyway. >> It's a stretch. It's like I just don't. think that we need to be opening the. Pandora's box to testing 9,000 people or. having them, you know, like. >> Well, it's also be realistic about what. you're saying because what you're saying. is if all you did was take that drug, uh, it's not even a drug, take that. peptide in 2024 for a broken foot, there's no [ __ ] chance that helped.

you win. a a marathon two years later. It does. not help other than the fact that. [clears throat] it helped to heal your. broken foot. That's not. performance-enhancing. It's just not. This guy's kind of a hater. Not even. kind of. He's a hater. >> It was. >> which I understand. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I mean I admitted that I. took it and it's like at that and I. actually that night I remember I didn't. even know when that was. I [ __ ] can't. remember when I go went to wage wells.

like I don't I thought it was like six. months ago. I couldn't even [ __ ]. remember. So then I got a hold of him. I. said, "No, I need, you know, the details. of my my treatment." And it, you know, it was in November of 2024. And I'm. like, "Okay." But anyway, that night I. said, "Yeah, I've done stem cell. I've. done TRT before and mentioned BPC57.". And it's like I didn't know when that. was, but I just kind of because he was. like coming at me. I'm just like, "No, [ __ ] off. It's like I do all this. I. don't know whether this is approved or. not. It doesn't has nothing to do with. me. I'm not an elite athlete. I'm.

[ __ ] bow hunter." So I was like kind. of wanted to just let's [ __ ] on him at. that time. Well, he got what he needed. cuz admitting to taking BPC for like. Olympian is a huge deal because it's. banned. just for them, not for me. And that then. he could go to USADA and say, "Oh, this. guy took a ban." And they're, you know, now they're like, it sucks. It's like. they're in a position where I don't. know. It's just like so much the public.

knows about it so much. It's like, you. know, I got articles about me and. talking about all this crazy [ __ ] and. I'm just like, I was just trying to not. have two or three surgeries. It's just. like I'm not trying to win a [ __ ] the. my age category of marathon. And then. they'll turn it into like, well, that's. not fair to the other people who are are. performing clean. It's just like it's. not we don't even know who's what people. are taking. It's like I'm not even in. this field of this elite field where.

this is all I did was admit I was. truthful. Everybody else just lies. >> Yeah. Well, maybe maybe lies maybe. doesn't. But the the the point is a. giant percentage of people right now are. taking peptides because they're very. beneficial to help heal injuries. And if. you're going to run marathons like the. way you run them with very fast times, >> you're probably training really hard. If. you're training really hard, you're. probably going to get injured. >> Yeah. You know, it's just but it's a. hater thing is what it is. Or he's.

accusing you of lying, which I know. you're not a liar. So, this is the. thing. He's he's. attacking your character. But it's also. the fact that. >> you know that quote that I love, all. criticism is the tragic result of unmet. needs. This guy's an elite athlete. No. one knows who he is. Yeah. >> You know, that's part of the problem. And then when someone who's very popular. is creeping in on his times, like that's. like how how's that possible? He's 18. years older than me. [ __ ] this guy. No. one ever wants to think that someone. actually works harder than them.

>> No. No. And or Yeah. I mean, and and I. get that. I mean, I I'm a human, too. I. understand how that can happen. But like. to call me like a doper trying to. discredit everything I've I've done, it's just like it's so not even real. The approach to use is to just be. honest, lay it all out, and leave it. alone. Yeah. >> Uh I don't think like going after this. guy and talking a lot of [ __ ] is in any. way beneficial. >> I don't I don't want I want him I want.

everyone to succeed. I don't have. anything personal against this guy. I. didn't like he was talking [ __ ] about. Truit. I didn't. >> But even that, it's just it's just. haterade. >> He just sees Truit running with those. [ __ ] perfect jeans on and [laughter]. looking all handsome. >> [gasps]. >> He's also a little too buff to be a. marathon runner, which drives people. nuts, too. >> Yeah. >> And then he also won the world pull-up. challenge. Like, look, when someone. breaks the world record in pull-ups, that isn't a [ __ ] extraordinary human. being. Period. And for you to discredit. that person in marathon running after. they've done that, well, you're a fool.

Cuz this isn't just a regular person, right? This is a person who broke the. world [ __ ] record for chin-ups or. pull-ups. >> Yeah. >> That's a crazy thing to do. to do. thousands. of pull-ups in 24 hours. Rip your. [ __ ] hands to shreds, that's an. extraordinary person. For him to not. recognize that, he's being a [ __ ]. >> Yeah, it. >> which is fine. It's a natural. characteristic that a lot of human. beings have and especially ones that are.

not getting their needs met in terms of. the attention they feel they deserve and. who are ideologically opposed to you. because you're a hunter. What the the. traction he's got is because it's almost. like if you say, you know how some. people would say, oh, you're interested. in border security, like protecting the. border, >> racist, >> right? Right. >> Racist, you're a Nazi, >> right? You're a [clears throat] cheater. >> So to to say that I'm a cheater or a. doper, >> you don't have to say anything else. because then it's like, oh, that guy. So. now I'm I'm kind of tainted by with that. language.

>> when the fact of the matter is this is. years ago. >> I don't take any I mean. I I take plenty like fish oil, magnesium, all this other [ __ ] Trace. gives me, but. the like the level of doping I know. about, I don't know [ __ ] I don't even I. don't know EP. I know we've talked about. this before, but I don't even know. really what EPO does other than make. like more red blood cells or something. so there's more oxygen. But I'm so like. illiterate on performance and like.

peeds. I'm just like, I don't I don't. even take testosterone anymore because I. run better low, which is weird. And I. didn't know if this happened because. they say when you run like long. distances, extreme long distances, your. testosterone drops. I almost think. that's by design because I look at like. how these women have been performing at. these huge races with low testosterone. and higher estrogen. They perform. better. And so I'm just like, man, maybe.

I don't need the TRT. Maybe. And so I. haven't like I had I had u I got a. [clears throat] prescription filled like. last September and I still have four of. the things out of 10. And. anybody who's a doper, they don't got. dope sitting around. Like if you had, you know, I don't care if it's meth or. [ __ ] testosterone, if you have it, you take it if you're a doper, right? So, I haven't done it because I'm I. operate better with a low heart rate,

low testosterone, and I can run. >> But, >> well, and low body weight, too. That's a. big factor. >> Yeah. I'm like 148 is what I got down to. when I. >> What are you right now? >> Like 52. >> Wow. When I met you, you were in the. 80s. >> Yeah. I was just lifting. I just I I. always ran, but I would run like five. miles a day. And I wanted to be like I. thought like for hunting I needed more. muscle to perform because I need to. carry heavy loads and things like that. Now I've realized that I'm better with. extreme endurance and I'm still strong.

for for like 148. Still very strong. compared to like a normal 148. So I I'm. still able to do the tasks I need to do. Carry heavy loads when I kill. >> You've optimized. >> Yeah. So yeah. Well, this the big factor. is the weight cuz I'm pretty heavy. Yeah. >> And I I notice the difference, you know, like I've lost when I hunted a few years. back, I got down to the 190s early like. like 192 or 193 and I felt way lighter.

>> Yeah. >> Like you would think 10 lbs cuz right I. weighed 202 this morning. You would. think 10 lbs is not that big of a deal. It's a big deal. It's a big deal. >> When I work out uh and I put a 25 lb. weight vest on, it's amazing how much. harder it is to do chin-ups and push-ups. and dips. It's amazing. Yeah. >> And it's only 25 lb. And you think about. how many people just normally carry 25. extra pounds. You're walking around all. day with a weight vest on, you know? >> Well, and I've told Truth this, too. It's like he's heavier, but every guy.

lining up to run them the Olympic trials. qualifier or like when they run the. Olympic trials for the marathon, there. won't be anybody over like 140. So, I. said, >> which totally makes sense. You're. fighting gravity. >> Yeah. I mean, you got to be light. Yeah. So I said, "You can't be 160 and. compete.". >> What is he at now? >> He's like 58. >> And what is he trying to get down to? >> He's got to be in the 40s. Got to be. like 140 be. >> Oh my god. He's going to look like. Skeletor. >> The guy The guy who I just ran with who.

ran Eugene and set the course record and. all that. He was 135. He's probably like. 61. >> Whoa. >> That's just the name of the game, >> right? >> You like the East African super light. the guy who just broke the world record. in the marathon, >> he's like 135 or no no 115. >> Jeez. >> A tiny little guy. So it's like. >> makes sense. >> That's just that's just performance. That's just what it takes. A huge. engine, a light body, >> right? >> And uh so like to to paint me this way. when I was turned surgery, haven't taken.

BPC since then. Um, it's just it's kind. of just. >> I think all you could do is state your. case and I think you just did and you. just did it really well and I know you. and I can speak for you. You are as. honest a human being as I've ever met in. my life. You don't lie about anything. and you are and it's also why you work. so hard. You work so hard so you don't. have to lie. I mean you're you're an. insanely hard worker. >> I didn't I didn't lie about this either. I mean and that's what I just said.

Yeah, I did. I didn't remember when but. looked it up. Here's when it was. whatever. >> You know, this guy's got to get over it. Maybe you should have a conversation. with him on Keep Hammer and Collective. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't I would talk to. talk to anybody. I don't, you know, I. talk to people who feel differently than. me all the time. >> People there's a there's also a problem. where people don't know someone and they. don't communicate with them. And so, you. kind of form a narrative and then you. fight that narrative. You know, you. attack that narrative. You you attack a. creation of who the person is rather. than the actual person. And people like.

to do that because they like to turn. someone into a demon. You know, they. like to turn someone into an not even a. person. That's how people have to do. that with war. They love to do that with. religion. >> It's easy to garner support with. keywords. >> using key words that nobody could defend. would be like, "Okay, we got that. That'll work right there." And so that's. where, you know, the Nazi or the doper, the racist, that's why those words are. always out there. Yep. >> It's like because they're powerful. >> Exactly. That's exactly. And when and.

when you you know when you get boxed in. a corner, you can use those words and it. buys you some time. >> Yeah, there's that. And then there's. also, you know, there's a lot of people. that don't have good personal insight. They don't understand what they're doing. really. They think they're justified in. what they're doing. Really, it's just a. bunch of [ __ ] [ __ ] One thing that. I I did I think part of this um I I. don't want to be demonized about like. with the peptides because it shouldn't. be demonized but one thing I think a lot. of people because I as you said a lot of.

people are taking these peptides a lot. of people are doing the TRT stuff. I. think that there was a big shift when. COVID happened as far as distrust in the. the health I mean basically our health. and wellness category like it started. maybe with Obamacare. Uh people are. having trouble getting in their doctors. quit because it's too frustrating. So. people, we've had a hard time getting. medical treatment like to be healthy and. then COVID happened and then they were.

shoving down, you know, the vaccine down. our throats and turned out like it. wasn't as safe and effective as they. said. So I think people like they see. that the writing was on the wall. They. couldn't get into their doctor. The. doctor was like just writing. prescriptions. So then the wellness. clinics popped up, right? And it feels. like it was after COVID for now like you. got a ways to well and there's other. places like it where you can go in and. they care about how you feel. They want. you to they want to help you feel. better, like live like an optimized. life. Like you're old, but you don't.

have to feel old. And so they're like, they can do the blood panel where. getting a blood panel at your regular. doctor was like pulling teeth for a. while. It's like, no, we we don't need. to do that. But you go to a wellness. clinic, they'll do it, and they'll tell. you, "Yeah, you're deficient here. This, this, or that. We could add this. We. could try this." Um, and then all of a. sudden, you start to feel better, and. you're like, "Well, these people care. about my health." the doctor what he. care about writing prescriptions and. then. >> yeah the doctors they're playing a. totally different game as we could see. from that hospital video that we just. watched. >> right so it's no wonder that waste well.

is and like these these other treatments. maybe bypassing surgery and let's try. this peptide. >> I I see that it's kind of evolving and. it's changing and the sport of ultra. needs to also and running needs to to be. on board with that because most your. field aren't elites and aren't. Olympians, >> right? >> They're regular people who just are. trying to do what they enjoy. And that's. me. >> While they're working a full-time job, most of them. Yeah. >> Well, I think you laid your case out and. I got to pee.

>> Yeah. >> So, let's wrap this bad boy up and bring. it home. >> Uh, congratulations on your bear hunt. Those You got two giant monsters. >> Oh, yeah. We got John and Jen. >> Yeah. Shout out to John and Jen Rivet. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to try to come next year. Swear. >> Love those guys. >> Love those guys. Um, I love that place. they have up there, too. It's crazy. And. uh for people who don't know um those. these these bear uh have no natural. predators other than grizzlies. They. have to be controlled. They are. devastating the moose and deer and elk. population up there because they kill.

all the calves. They they they're. ruthless predators, opportunistic. hunters. They eat each other. >> Ju just to put that in perspective in. Alaska they're flying out of helicopters. shooting bear. >> Yeah. >> Because. >> there's so many of them. >> Not enough are getting killed. So they. wipe out all the unullet. Yeah. >> So, it's like it it's an issue. You just. don't know about it. You don't People. don't know that Alaska is flying in. helicopters as leaving bear after they. kill them. >> I know. And everybody thinks of bears as. Yogi. Yogi and Boo Boo. And you know,

>> come for a trip. Take a trip to Alberta. I'll show you some real [ __ ] [laughter]. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's. >> I remember when uh you know, I've told. this story. You know, Jen and I ran into. a grizzly once when we were out there. Just briefly. We only saw it briefly. We're like, "Let's get the [ __ ] out of. here.". >> Yeah. They they don't even hunt over. there anymore because too many. grizzlies. So that's like crazy. >> That's quite a ways from where we hunt. now just because. >> that crazy. >> a grizzly starts coming in the bait. That's got to get out of there. Especially I like to sit on the ground. >> and they need to start hunting them up.

them up there too. >> They do. >> And you know this is the when they. changed that law in BC, they made it a. [ __ ] disaster up there. There's so. many grizzly now. Yeah. And it's just. the people that live in these high. population areas that don't have any. encounters with them. And there it's. ballot box biology. They're trying to be good people. Do you. want to outlaw trophy hunting? Yeah, these cruel [ __ ] They just want to. shoot this animal for its skin. >> Yeah, [ __ ] them. They just want to show. what a big man they are by killing an. animal. Like. >> that guy calls me a trophy hunter. Like. he's like he's like, "Oh, I understand.

deer and elk hunting, but not bear.". It's just like, >> well, you don't know what you're. >> Did you just eat How is that bear? We. just eat. How's that any different than. deer and elk? My daughter went to school. one day and they were asking what your. favorite food was and she said bear. candy because Steve Vanella taught me a. uh recipe called bear candy. How to make. this like it's like a you make it with. brown sugar and you cook this bear and. it's like a sweet and sour pork kind of. deal but with bear. It was [ __ ]. delicious. And I I served it for my kids. and my daughter I think she was just.

trying to like jostle people up a little. bit. I ate bear. >> Well, Jyn makes some badass bear stir. fry. Oh, it's fantastic. I mean, her. bear meat is fantastic. >> I was just thinking to myself, Mountain. Offs has those new freeze-dried meals. Maybe I need to get some. >> Right. and dehydrate it. >> Get some bear meat in there. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. His own food. He. He does it all in a dehydrator, then. rehydrates it in camp. He vacuum seals. his own stuff. >> Some of those meals, dude. >> Yeah. Well, it's the best way to do it, too. If you want to eat clean, if you.

want to eat clean in the mountains, get. a dehydrator. >> for that energy because just like in. ultras and performing, what you're using. for calories matters. >> 100%. >> So, especially on a long hunt, if you. can like we had I had some Mountain Ops. uh freeze-dried in there like chicken. Alfredo, that's just [ __ ] good. calories. >> 100%. And also electrolytes. Boy, I it. changed for me when I started using. element. when I started pro throwing. element in my water when I was out. there. Giant difference. Get those. electrolytes.

>> That's the first thing I drink in the. morning. >> is an element. >> because I know I'm cuz I run every day. I know. >> I I think I've been also like low on. sodium for a long time just because of. how much I run. Like I run so much like. I get sores here because my shirt gets. soaked with sweat. >> and wet clothes sitting on my skin has. makes all these soores from running for. hours and in a in a wet shirt. >> That's crazy. I know guys wear their. nipples out. They have to put like. >> that. Yeah, that h I wear like I wear.

like a. >> a bra. >> sort Well, it's [laughter]. it's like a little uh running pack, but. it holds my shirt right there on my. tits. But this here bounces and it's. like just being wet. But. >> that's crazy that it's makes sores on. your skin just from a t-shirt. >> It does just from being. >> You should start running in silk. >> just from being warm. But I think that I. was sweating so much that when I do that. element first thing in the morning, it. sets me up for the whole day to to be. able to perform at a higher level. >> Yeah. Even just some sea salt in your.

water, like you need you need minerals. Everybody does need electrolytes. >> Let's wrap it up. >> Yep. All right. >> My brother, I love you to death. You're. awesome. Glad you had an opportunity to. come on here and this is all very. important stuff to talk about and uh one. more time that number for everybody. I. want to call that number. >> I know. Call your call your senators. 2022 234 3121 say roadless rule needs to. keep stay intact. Mike Lee can suck a. big fat one. I think. >> America [ __ ] yeah. Bye everybody.

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